471315;1391212821;kakobrekla;Altcoin slogan should be "the 15th standard" 471316;1391212834;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/24f461e64b04c9442581a3d3e56deb2e/tumblr_mhpyyfytnT1s01fwto1_500.jpg 471317;1391212839;mircea_popescu;the community is unimpressed. 471318;1391212846;mircea_popescu;benkay just messin' with ya 471319;1391212859;benkay;thought you saved that for the girls 471320;1391212909;benkay;the research into pre-april 2012 securities is killllllling me 471321;1391212918;ThickAsThieves;just because i love you guys so much, you get first dibs on the Altcoin package! http://coingen.bluematt.me/build/761afffd.zip 471322;1391212934;mircea_popescu;wow coingen works this fast ? 471323;1391212943;ThickAsThieves;6 confs 471324;1391212952;ThickAsThieves;and then maybe another hour 471325;1391212960;kakobrekla;blah now i got to bring my asics back online or what 471326;1391212991;ThickAsThieves;To show my dedication to the cause, I promise to NEVER mine Altcoin 471327;1391213003;mircea_popescu;you know i like bluematt more and more as time goes by 471328;1391213007;jurov;i mined ltc before it was cool 471329;1391213008;mircea_popescu;i don't remember a shitty thing the man did. 471330;1391213011;jurov;*runs* 471331;1391213032;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC 471332;1391213069;mircea_popescu;i actually vaguely recall zinging jurov for bothering with the silly alts a coupla years ago 471333;1391213113;jurov;yes, i was kinda psyched about the reaper (first gpu miner for scrypt) 471334;1391213127;mircea_popescu;"snoochyboochy" lol 471335;1391213137;mircea_popescu;guise think snoochyboochycoin will ever take off ? 471336;1391213147;mircea_popescu;midlifecrisiscoin 471337;1391213153;mircea_popescu;fraudcoin 471338;1391213161;mircea_popescu;atheistcoin 471339;1391213164;benkay;cascadiacoin 471340;1391213207;mircea_popescu;beliebercoin unusablecoin starvingartistcoin biebercoin wethepeoplecoin jasoncoin 471341;1391213215;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.1505 = 0.301 BTC [-] {2} 471342;1391213216;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [-] {2} 471343;1391213217;mircea_popescu;and im fucking exhausted. not even 5% of the list covered 471344;1391213277;mike_c;difficult to monitor, but i would like a bitbet on bitcoincharts uptime 471345;1391213289;mike_c;then i could go long, and at least make money when they are down 471346;1391213289;jurov;ok, i got some bitchings from coinbr about the opex from coinbr 471347;1391213293;jurov;gotta fix 471348;1391213384;jurov;someone had 10 O.USD.C155T there? such bull 471349;1391213400;jurov;o that was myself :( 471350;1391213419;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4866300#msg4866300 471351;1391213420;ozbot;[NEW] The REAL Altcoin - Act fast 471352;1391213542;mircea_popescu;lolwut ? 471353;1391213575;ThickAsThieves;just in a meta mood today i guess 471354;1391213721;benkay;did anyone save any of the glbse asset descriptions? i know they changed regularly... 471355;1391213814;pankkake;lol altcoin comes with no source code? 471356;1391213851;ThickAsThieves;i posted what coingen spit out :/ 471357;1391213900;ThickAsThieves;I'm new to this revolutionizing finance thing, sorry 471358;1391213937;pankkake;I don't know how coingen works, so I'm not sure how it is supposed to get seed nodes either 471359;1391214010;ThickAsThieves;the idea is too powerful, someone will figure it out 471360;1391214046;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4866422#msg4866422 471361;1391214049;ThickAsThieves;lol 471362;1391214071;ozbot;[NEW] The REAL Altcoin - Act fast 471363;1391214661;pankkake;YES! I mined block 1 471364;1391214670;pankkake;and then 4 blocks 471365;1391214679;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02899911 = 0.174 BTC [-] {2} 471366;1391214688;ThickAsThieves;nice! 471367;1391214694;ThickAsThieves;youre gonna be fukn rich 471368;1391214721;pankkake;at least I finally figured out how to solo mine 471369;1391214731;pankkake;can be useful on testnet I guess 471370;1391214734;azi`;i smell PONZI 471371;1391214754;ThickAsThieves;i'll buy some from you this weekend or something 471372;1391214790;ThickAsThieves;hey man Life is a Ponzi 471373;1391214796;ThickAsThieves;you only yolo once 471374;1391214827;pankkake;at least someone else is mining! 471375;1391214834;ThickAsThieves;meanwhile the public demands a better logo 471376;1391214858;pankkake;perhaps a combination of A and $ 471377;1391214871;ThickAsThieves;maybe a slogan too? 471378;1391214872;ThickAsThieves;like 471379;1391214877;ThickAsThieves;Quit Wasting Your Time 471380;1391214882;pankkake;YOLO = You Only Need One 471381;1391214885;pankkake;YONO* 471382;1391215096;kakobrekla;i added your node pankkake 471383;1391215100;kakobrekla;blocks raining. 471384;1391215120;kakobrekla;theres 80 of them now 471385;1391215139;kakobrekla;at least on my branch 471386;1391215140;pankkake;I'm probably only half 471387;1391215162;kakobrekla;i just hooked up my gpu, too lazy to bring out asic out of the closet 471388;1391215216;kakobrekla;but yeah 471389;1391215219;kakobrekla;no source no fun 471390;1391215275;pankkake;now mining on 1PonZioHc2gKHhSx3mbXD2tfahJh2vefSi 471391;1391215295;kakobrekla;lol 471392;1391215299;ThickAsThieves;maybe mattblue can get source to us somehow? 471393;1391215306;kakobrekla;btw there seems to be some malware attached or something 471394;1391215307;kakobrekla;just fyi 471395;1391215314;ThickAsThieves;for real? 471396;1391215327;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-january-2014-statement/ 471397;1391215327;ozbot;MPOE, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 471398;1391215328;kakobrekla;i dunno someone posted a link to a scan 471399;1391215334;pankkake;antiviruses get mad at any bitcoin thing 471400;1391215338;pankkake;because it's in so many botnets 471401;1391215352;kakobrekla;aha 471402;1391215365;pankkake;anyway, source code is an option on coingen, maybe you can ask for it later 471403;1391215365;azi`;1k profits for mpex? 471404;1391215381;pankkake;not that it's hard to create it yourself from another source anyway ;) 471405;1391215413;mircea_popescu;what they charge for source, fiddy bux ? 471406;1391215421;mircea_popescu;buy bluematt a cuppa coffe, he deserves it. 471407;1391215477;jurov;$avg 471408;1391215478;mpexbot;jurov: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 471409;1391215483;pankkake;still? 471410;1391215496;jurov;kako avg fail 471411;1391215520;jurov;;;ticker btcavg 471412;1391215521;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is (1 more message) 471413;1391215527;jurov;;;ticker --svg 471414;1391215527;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is (1 more message) 471415;1391215530;jurov;;;ticker --avg 471416;1391215530;gribble;943.70991 471417;1391215601;pankkake;"Most giveaway threads are no longer allowed in the Alternate cryptocurrencies sections. From now on, posting or replying to such threads could result in being banned." wow! 471418;1391215635;kakobrekla;jurov ?? 471419;1391215638;kakobrekla;i dont run mpexbot 471420;1391215666;kakobrekla;but yeah, if its bad, stick it to kakos ass 471421;1391215729;mircea_popescu;pankkake lol tryin to make moneyz ? 471422;1391215767;pankkake;I wanted to give The Altcoin to the community! 471423;1391215826;pankkake;my first idea of bernankoin giveaway was to award them by number of user posts 471424;1391215844;pankkake;but there were too many beks and not enough big posters 471425;1391215908;mircea_popescu;lol 471426;1391215919;mircea_popescu;wait, bernakoin actually exists ? 471427;1391215926;pankkake;of course it does 471428;1391215928;benkay;haha 471429;1391215931;kakobrekla;its a success 471430;1391215941;pankkake;http://bek.gpool.net/blocks 471431;1391215964;pankkake;~500 workers still :o 471432;1391216007;jurov;kakobrekla: sorry 471433;1391216009;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=375010.0 a nice French guy also provided a better logo 471434;1391216010;ozbot;[ANN] Bernankoin the Coin Not Evil according to Paul Krugman DL WINQT v1.3 NOW 471435;1391216015;jurov;assbot knows vwap? 471436;1391216022;kakobrekla;no clue 471437;1391216045;mircea_popescu;" Statistically speaking, MPOE-PR and by extension MP, is far more trustworthy than myself" 471438;1391216056;mircea_popescu;escrow going wtf. 471439;1391216078;mircea_popescu;$vwap x.eur 471440;1391216079;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: X.EUR 1 day: average: 0.00166253 high: 0.00166253 low: 0.00166253 volume: 200 btc: 0.332506 7 day: average: 0.00167696 high: 0.00170089 low: 0.00166114 volume: 3800 btc: 6.372431 30 day: average: 0.00180241 high: 0.002 low: 0.0016245 volume: 19539 btc: 35.21732337 471441;1391216087;pankkake;still, its an use of ;;gettrust over ;;getrating, not insane 471442;1391216094;jurov;it appears that mpex used 848,37 $ as vwap 471443;1391216102;mircea_popescu;jurov it just has an issue talking to bitcoincharts for some reason 471444;1391216135;mircea_popescu;so what's the bernakoin to altcoin exchange rate ? 471445;1391216154;pankkake;0, there's still no exchange, no real otc trading as far as I know 471446;1391216171;pankkake;so at least something is working properly in this world 471447;1391216181;ThickAsThieves;okay Altcoin has a new logo! 471448;1391216193;ThickAsThieves;http://i.imgur.com/OqeWed4.jpg 471449;1391216195;kakobrekla;make it merge mined 471450;1391216201;jurov;i want bernankoin <-> doge liquidity!!! 471451;1391216204;pankkake;wow, so pro 471452;1391216209;kakobrekla;very money 471453;1391216213;ThickAsThieves;lol 471454;1391216214;mircea_popescu;wow 33 pages of bernakoin. you're like a celeb 471455;1391216242;mircea_popescu;hey kako, you have some altcoin alcoins atm ? 471456;1391216267;kakobrekla;yeah i got altcoins 471457;1391216273;mircea_popescu;how many you have ? 471458;1391216280;ThickAsThieves;do a giveaway! 471459;1391216282;ThickAsThieves;hehe 471460;1391216294;mircea_popescu;pankkake how much beks you got ? 471461;1391216305;kakobrekla;30k , half immature 471462;1391216306;pankkake;about 1 million 471463;1391216310;kakobrekla;+- 471464;1391216332;pankkake;I don't mine it, as it means mining less primecoin (which pays for my server bills!) 471465;1391216348;mircea_popescu;ok, kako, you sell to me 30k alts for 30 btc. pankake you sell to tako 300k beks for 30 btc. then i sell you 30k alts for 30 btc. 471466;1391216353;mircea_popescu;this way you got market cap yo! 471467;1391216374;pankkake;"moneysupply" : 7939613962.72999954 471468;1391216389;pankkake;lol 471469;1391216442;kakobrekla;was dat, for bek? 471470;1391216451;mircea_popescu;it was 3 way linking! 471471;1391216456;pankkake;yes, total bek supply 471472;1391216486;ThickAsThieves;i got a pm asking how to mine ATC 471473;1391216498;pankkake;http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/01/25/bernankoin-to-save-us-all-from-the-evils-of-bitcoin/ 471474;1391216500;ThickAsThieves;A is better than B right? 471475;1391216511;pankkake;you're going to get a lot of PMs :| 471476;1391216513;mircea_popescu;"this coin should be sold on https://www.poloniex.com/ or a Chinese exchange if anyone know how to get it on Chinese that would be our best bet" 471477;1391216530;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves world's #1 letter ! 471478;1391216534;pankkake;http://cynic.me/2013/12/19/bernankoin-the-coin-to-save-our-economy-quantitative-easing/ that was the first external coverage, I was so happy to read it 471479;1391216535;ozbot;Bernankoin – The Coin to Save Our Economy – QUANTITATIVE EASING | Cynic.me 471480;1391216557;pankkake;and one of the few to notice the funny commits 471481;1391216581;mircea_popescu;who';s cynic.me ? 471482;1391216585;pankkake;random blogger 471483;1391216622;pankkake;http://www.thebitcoinmaster.com/bernankoin/ and another guy made a faucet! 471484;1391216622;ozbot;Bernankoin Printer 471485;1391216631;mircea_popescu;http://cynic.me/2014/01/17/why-you-need-to-take-dogecoin-seriously/ 471486;1391216632;ozbot;Why You Need to Take Dogecoin Seriously… | Cynic.me 471487;1391216632;mircea_popescu;lmao 471488;1391216652;mircea_popescu;22% is a big deal! 11 peopl voted on tardstalk! 471489;1391216665;mircea_popescu;"The market demand for Dogecoin is there. People love it. Its fun. Its exciting. Its different. Its loyal. Its furry. Its happy. Its glad to see you. Its right there licking your face telling you that it loves you." 471490;1391216669;kakobrekla;lul 471491;1391216669;kakobrekla;Ink level: 27870.5800065 471492;1391216669;kakobrekla;Ink reserves: 550000 471493;1391216678;mircea_popescu;"You dont need to love Dogecoin. But you do need to see what is happening with it right now. We have a social phenomenon going on, and even if it fails, we will learn a lesson or two from it" 471494;1391216693;pankkake;it's true, actually 471495;1391216700;ThickAsThieves;i dont have answers for these people, how do you mine it? who knows?! 471496;1391216701;pankkake;probably the first altcoin to have a genuine community 471497;1391216717;pankkake;OK I'm going to do a howto mine I guess 471498;1391216732;ThickAsThieves;sweet 471499;1391216733;benkay;odd message from 'cynic.me' 471500;1391216814;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02899999 = 0.174 BTC [+] 471501;1391216825;benkay;historic goat! 471502;1391216827;benkay;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49648.0 471503;1391216829;ozbot;(ANN) I will form a mining company to be traded on (GLBSE) if there is interest 471504;1391216863;mircea_popescu;pankkake i doubt this, but perhaps it's on the grounds of being uninformed. 471505;1391216867;mircea_popescu;wtf community ? 471506;1391216876;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02899999 = 0.174 BTC [+] 471507;1391216892;pankkake;I think it brought people that did not use Bitcoin before 471508;1391216896;mircea_popescu;so ? 471509;1391216905;pankkake;whereas altcoins are bitcoiners looking for profit 471510;1391216912;pankkake;in that sense, it is "genuine" 471511;1391216917;mircea_popescu;ok, so it has some suction power 471512;1391216929;mircea_popescu;all the people watching tv are not a community 471513;1391216929;pankkake;I'm not saying it's The Future obviously 471514;1391216936;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 18 @ 0.02899999 = 0.522 BTC [+] {6} 471515;1391216943;mircea_popescu;no but what i mean, a community is different from a crowd. 471516;1391216988;pankkake;http://www.businessinsider.com/dogecoin-jamaican-bobsled-team-olympics-2014-1 471517;1391216988;ozbot;Dogecoin Jamaican Bobsled Team Olympics - Business Insider 471518;1391216997;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02969994 = 0.1782 BTC [+] 471519;1391217020;mircea_popescu;pankkake you realise there's a few people pushing it, and manipulating social media to give the impression of traction 471520;1391217022;mircea_popescu;or do you ? 471521;1391217104;pankkake;I don't know. if it had success without organized people behind it, it's a miracle 471522;1391217155;mircea_popescu;it's quite visibly (and quite respectably) being organisedly pushed. 471523;1391217169;mircea_popescu;i have no idea specifically who's doing it, but i can tell teh pro hand. 471524;1391217241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10562 @ 0.00091464 = 9.6604 BTC [+] 471525;1391217337;pankkake;I wonder if those guys were prepared before launch, or they just saw a thing and decided to do it 471526;1391217353;mircea_popescu;that i can't discern. 471527;1391217391;mircea_popescu;but you can trivially notice there's two groups if you take all the sm profiles and do scoring on them. you don't end up with either a powerlaw or any sort of gauss curve 471528;1391217405;benkay;sm? 471529;1391217408;mircea_popescu;you end up with two. there's distinguishably group A and group B, and group A is further traceable to convergence 471530;1391217409;pankkake;social media 471531;1391217412;kakobrekla;well ThickAsThieves you gonna put a site up displaying thhe logo in all its glory or what 471532;1391217416;pankkake;things like reddit have been gamed for a long time 471533;1391217420;pankkake;or digg before that 471534;1391217423;mircea_popescu;right. 471535;1391217426;pankkake;it's been widely documented, outed, etc. 471536;1391217432;KRS1;So dogge coin is worth throwing a few bucks at actually? 471537;1391217441;mircea_popescu;im not saying there's anything wrong with it, for that matter. the people doing it are providing data to all observers, not just to themselves. 471538;1391217458;mircea_popescu;i'd venture a guess that they're about 60-70% or so in the red so far, however. 471539;1391217489;kakobrekla;hm 471540;1391217497;kakobrekla;pankkake you split the chain? 471541;1391217504;pankkake;lol 471542;1391217510;pankkake;shit 471543;1391217511;mircea_popescu;(in the sense that total resources spent, including time / total market value - as an integral from current price to zero = ~.6x) 471544;1391217522;pankkake;my last block is orphaned 471545;1391217527;KRS1;hmm 471546;1391217529;mircea_popescu;lol now you broke it 471547;1391217540;kakobrekla;my last 50 are dead 471548;1391217541;pankkake;well it's still working it seems, I got a 50 ATC donation! 471549;1391217545;kakobrekla;still moare comming 471550;1391217578;kakobrekla;ok wtf 471551;1391217582;kakobrekla;someone plugges some serial power 471552;1391217583;pankkake;~1 block per sec 471553;1391217592;kakobrekla;LOL 471554;1391217594;pankkake;friedcat's mining 471555;1391217597;kakobrekla;its getting ripped 471556;1391217607;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.195 BTC [+] 471557;1391217627;mircea_popescu;whoa lol 471558;1391217728;kakobrekla;im finding blocks all fucked though 471559;1391217740;KRS1;lol wut 471560;1391217741;KRS1;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1woxdt/potential_class_action_suit_against_coinbase/ 471561;1391217741;ozbot;Potential Class Action suit against Coinbase being reviewed by attorney group against : Bitcoin 471562;1391217753;benkay;yesssss 471563;1391217768;pankkake;I'd give reddit gold to the first comment 471564;1391217775;mircea_popescu;rpcuser=lol 471565;1391217775;mircea_popescu;rpcpassword=cat 471566;1391217778;mircea_popescu;bwahaha 471567;1391217784;benkay;good old asstomouthparty 471568;1391217842;mircea_popescu;"Big Vern told me he is adding this to Cryptsy tomorrow." 471569;1391217845;KRS1;Hotuglywife goes ass to mouth. 471570;1391217860;mircea_popescu;watch this shit blowing up and each and every one of you vilified for being fucking illuminati. 471571;1391217895;mircea_popescu;"just bought 500k on coindup. get on my lvl!" lol 471572;1391218143;kakobrekla;altcoin reached 1k blocks 471573;1391218217;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 471574;1391218278;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC 471575;1391218291;mircea_popescu;.d altcoin 471576;1391218318;pankkake;1.00000000 471577;1391218345;mircea_popescu;ty robokakke 471578;1391218386;pankkake;I suppose diff will be changed after 2016 blocks 471579;1391218392;pankkake;so in about 1000 seconds 471580;1391218404;mircea_popescu;"Wow! I just solo mined 17 blocks with my CPU" 471581;1391218413;kakobrekla;VERY CURRENCY 471582;1391218413;mircea_popescu;lucky cpu 471583;1391218421;pankkake;easy mining was the success of bernankoin 471584;1391218433;pankkake;especially since I enabled cpu mining by default on new versions 471585;1391218442;pankkake;(it's primecoin so cpu is good) 471586;1391218455;kakobrekla;bernake uses primecoin algo?? 471587;1391218459;pankkake;yes 471588;1391218468;kakobrekla;zomg. 471589;1391218472;kakobrekla;didnt know 471590;1391218509;benkay;well gosh if -assets doesn't have its own derpcoin now 471591;1391218534;benkay;as if it didn't before... 471592;1391218623;mircea_popescu;it now has it's own legion of derpcoins 471593;1391218635;benkay;the menagerie is necessary. 471594;1391218660;benkay;also whoever dm'd me; dm's aren't working for me today 471595;1391218681;mircea_popescu;as conversations online progress, the odds of mp comissioning hitler paintings and the odds of each participant to the convo running their own altchain both increase towards 1 471596;1391218937;benkay;you guys you guys you guys 471597;1391218937;benkay;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67844.msg790166#msg790166 471598;1391218939;ozbot;[FREE BITCOINS] MPOE Stress testing. 471599;1391218954;benkay;historyyyyyyy 471600;1391219075;kakobrekla;o look, im in it 471601;1391219119;benkay;har and the miss in question not in full rage mode: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67844.msg792157#msg792157 471602;1391219127;benkay;rare sight these days 471603;1391219136;benkay;mircea_popescu: do you ever worry about taking years off that poor girl's life? 471604;1391219144;benkay;strike poor /strike 471605;1391219153;benkay;not at the rate she's pulling AMIRITE BOYYYYYS 471606;1391219187;mircea_popescu;lolwut ?! 471607;1391219211;benkay;all the cortisol coursing through her system all the time's gotta be bad for wear and tear on the nervous system 471608;1391219398;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/why-do-gentlemen-prefer-blondes/ 471609;1391219399;ozbot;Why do gentlemen prefer blondes ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 471610;1391219437;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.00594999 = 0.1844 BTC [+] 471611;1391219509;benkay;as a result, redheads are undervalued in the sexual marketplace 471612;1391219523;mircea_popescu;and for no good reason 471613;1391219543;benkay;they're generally much more entertaining, due to having to compete with all the blondes all the time 471614;1391219551;benkay;at least in my limited experience 471615;1391219559;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2617 @ 0.00009304 = 0.2435 BTC [-] {6} 471616;1391219560;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.195 BTC [+] 471617;1391219595;benkay;it's like how overly pretty girls seem to be missing something between the ears and in the sheets 471618;1391219610;benkay;having never developed any skills in the arena due to self-overvaluation... 471619;1391219648;benkay;oh god i have to trawl economy>marketplace>services too 471620;1391219657;pankkake;always seemed obvious to me 471621;1391219694;pankkake;being a pretty girl isn't such a gift after all 471622;1391219704;pankkake;best would be to be an ugly child and then beautiful adult 471623;1391219738;benkay;haven't met many particularly good looking women over the age of 30 471624;1391219745;benkay;of course, they have other assets at that age 471625;1391219789;mircea_popescu;you mean good looking naked or dressed ? 471626;1391219846;benkay;i actually take it back totally 471627;1391219852;mircea_popescu;lol 471628;1391219877;benkay;'cause what is physical beauty without as prince calls it "pussy control" 471629;1391220291;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4234 @ 0.00009117 = 0.386 BTC [-] {6} 471630;1391220393;mod6;what a month for s.mpoe! 471631;1391220400;mircea_popescu;huge. 471632;1391220560;pankkake;"difficulty" : 4.00000000 471633;1391220582;pankkake;I guess it's capped to 4× 471634;1391220652;mircea_popescu;it is. 471635;1391220745;pankkake;> To make use of tweens, you must construct a “tween factory” 471636;1391220890;kakobrekla;;;calc 1830/30 471637;1391220891;gribble;61 471638;1391220895;kakobrekla;huh. 471639;1391220962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16254 @ 0.00091181 = 14.8206 BTC [-] {2} 471640;1391221047;mod6;At least that piece of shit has the excuse that itt's made by nobody starring Fuckfleck and wht's his name. << lol Fuckfleck 471641;1391221070;mircea_popescu;lol 471642;1391221145;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02868325 = 0.1721 BTC [-] {2} 471643;1391221207;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC 471644;1391221451;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-] 471645;1391221512;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 388 @ 0.00043 = 0.1668 BTC [-] 471646;1391221529;benkay;what ultimately happened to F.PURE.SYNTH? 471647;1391221633;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 55 @ 0.00448 = 0.2464 BTC [-] 471648;1391221685;mircea_popescu;it got bought out iirc. 471649;1391221695;mircea_popescu;;;google list of discontinued assets on mpex 471650;1391221696;gribble;NEXT: 16-12-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: ; Prosoniq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Filing - NASDAQ.com: 471651;1391221704;mircea_popescu;jezzz google. 471652;1391221716;pankkake;lol pmb 471653;1391221721;pankkake;scampex 471654;1391221734;benkay;makes it sound so innocuous 471655;1391221738;benkay;'you scamp!' 471656;1391221744;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/mpoe-rezultate-august-2012/ 471657;1391221745;ozbot;MPOE, rezultate August 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 471658;1391221758;benkay;ty, mp. 471659;1391221766;mircea_popescu;"III. F.PURE.SYNTH is withdrawn due to lack of interest shown by investors. All outstanding shares were rebought, the current float being 0." 471660;1391221804;mircea_popescu;pankkake you know... things today are the way they are and not worse in part because pirate got humiliated on mpex, etc. 471661;1391221805;benkay;lol: with the caveat that the correct valuation thereof has proven in practice to be more difficult than it seemed in theory. 471662;1391221815;mircea_popescu;there's a certain amt of interaction one's stuck with. 471663;1391221820;benkay;how did pirate get humiliated on mpex? 471664;1391221858;mircea_popescu;when they were running out of liquidity a bunch of assholes (goat chief among them, the "bankers" like kludge, jarnett etc, 471665;1391221867;mircea_popescu;started a campaign to list it and sucker the average holder. 471666;1391221873;mircea_popescu;rosenfeld made a fake "short' 471667;1391221879;mircea_popescu;asset. i made the real short assets. 471668;1391221886;mircea_popescu;we've been good friends ever since. 471669;1391221897;mircea_popescu;course they mostly got lost, but anyway. 471670;1391221968;benkay;rosenfeld's fake short didn't pay out? 471671;1391222002;mircea_popescu;it was so structured so it didn't short anything. 471672;1391222014;mircea_popescu;read up on it, i imagine it's still on the forum. 471673;1391222029;benkay;i can't open any more bitcointalk.org tabs 471674;1391222047;benkay;my combudder will impludder under the derp 471675;1391222051;mircea_popescu;anyway, it never got any volume, which was the point of the exercise 471676;1391222061;mircea_popescu;"let me build a strawman show you nobody REALLY wants to short pirate" 471677;1391222071;mircea_popescu;that argument led directly into the 10k bet, and so on. 471678;1391222077;mircea_popescu;history is an interlocking chain. 471679;1391222115;benkay;and so dense in cryptlandia 471680;1391222119;pankkake;http://www.coindesk.com/bank-stops-working-bitcoin-exchange-campbx-regulatory-uncertainty/ 471681;1391222144;benkay;excellent 471682;1391222172;benkay;i'm vaguely aware of this 10k bet but lack the full story. highlights? 471683;1391222182;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 471684;1391222209;mircea_popescu;wasn't doing much volume was it ? 471685;1391222276;mircea_popescu;http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Vandroiy&sign=ANY&type=RECV and pirate made a bet re pirate's survival. nanotube escrowed it. 471686;1391222276;ozbot;Rating Details for User 'Vandroiy' 471687;1391222488;nubbins`;so i got a pm on the forums from goat 471688;1391222493;kakobrekla;same. 471689;1391222501;benkay;to the effect of? 471690;1391222509;nubbins`;new forum, come check it out 471691;1391222519;nubbins`;"At my new forum cryptocrypt.org free-speech will be restricted a bit to enforce rules on being polite and respecting other members. We will have a very low tolerance for insulting others and more or less being a nuisance. Scamming and the like will not be tolerated at all. I hope this will be more civil place to talk about crypto and economics. " 471692;1391222521;benkay;can't in2 network effects 471693;1391222537;benkay;also TEH IRONY 471694;1391222548;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.00570003 = 0.3192 BTC [-] {3} 471695;1391222550;nubbins`;heh 471696;1391222555;benkay;man i gotta write something up about goat's role in the madhouse 471697;1391222556;pankkake;Revenue from new accounts : 1`830 BTC << wut?! 471698;1391222562;nubbins`;sometimes i don't want to be polite ;( 471699;1391222568;pankkake;jimmothy is going to explode 471700;1391222578;mircea_popescu;totally. 471701;1391222599;pankkake;nubbins`: but you're canadian. that's your nature 471702;1391222599;nubbins`;;;calc 1830/30 471703;1391222600;gribble;61 471704;1391222603;mircea_popescu;basically the guy's decided to somehow still matter in btc. 471705;1391222605;nubbins`;srsly? 471706;1391222608;mircea_popescu;pretty unclear how that'd work 471707;1391222633;mircea_popescu;but his general sniffing is correct, bitcointalk is spiraling into the toilet. 471708;1391222635;kakobrekla;nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2014#471636 471709;1391222637;pankkake;still that's a lot of users, I hardly believe it 471710;1391222650;nubbins`;kako, heh 471711;1391222651;kakobrekla;stop doing same shit as i do 471712;1391222652;mircea_popescu;then again... people like the toilet. 471713;1391222657;nubbins`;that's a lot of people with 30btc 471714;1391222666;benkay;mircea_popescu's self-trading nubbins` donchaknow 471715;1391222669;mircea_popescu;it's even more with 20 btc. 471716;1391222681;nubbins`;right, that thing 471717;1391222689;mircea_popescu;then again... 50-100 accounts... whatevs. 471718;1391222693;nubbins`;well good for you! 471719;1391222704;pankkake;maybe they're refering themselves endlessly? 471720;1391222711;kakobrekla;free money 471721;1391222713;nubbins`;pankkake, money machine 471722;1391222723;benkay;some days i wonder if mircea_popescu didn't look at Pirate and say to himself "oh so you want to see an elegant scam, do yer?" 471723;1391222754;mircea_popescu;http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/01/21/0215214/amc-theaters-allegedly-calls-fbi-to-interrogate-a-google-glass-wearer << somehow going through your privatge porn is ok, 471724;1391222755;ozbot;AMC Theaters Allegedly Calls FBI to Interrogate a Google Glass Wearer - Slashdot 471725;1391222759;mircea_popescu;but you copying their shitty movie is not. 471726;1391222766;benkay;old news 471727;1391222770;benkay;is old 471728;1391222793;nubbins`;recording in a theatre is a crime here in canada as of a few years ago as well 471729;1391222801;nubbins`;they will srsly call the police and charge you :0 471730;1391222808;mircea_popescu;benkay we're even then, that wondering is even older than pirate :D 471731;1391222811;nubbins`;think about the madness of that for a moment 471732;1391222833;nubbins`;"if you point a machine at our large smooth wall, the police will put you in jail" 471733;1391222986;benkay;mircea_popescu how did you construct the pirate short that worked? 471734;1391223089;mircea_popescu;it basically mirrored exactly all the specific performance points teh "bankers" made on their announcement. 471735;1391223103;mircea_popescu;like, so and so shares issued by so and so date doing etc. 471736;1391223123;nubbins`;[23:07:39] Sent 6 hours and 28 minutes ago: ^ 471737;1391223127;nubbins`;SUPER HELPFUL ;( 471738;1391223156;benkay;well grep the logs, breh 471739;1391223160;mircea_popescu;nubbins` :D 471740;1391223174;nubbins`;tbh i like the title 471741;1391223186;nubbins`;portraits of bitcoin's infamous, accompanied by quotes 471742;1391223207;nubbins`;a lovely inking of yifu with "this isn't good for my chi", etc 471743;1391223216;kakobrekla;:D 471744;1391223219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04999994 = 1 BTC [+] 471745;1391223231;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1pko9y/the_bet_bmr_and_sheep_to_die_in_a_year/ 471746;1391223235;ozbot;The Bet: BMR and Sheep to die in a year : SilkRoad 471747;1391223267;nubbins`;Arbitration & escrow are being provided by Nanotube 471748;1391223574;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1pko9y/the_bet_bmr_and_sheep_to_die_in_a_year/ 471749;1391223577;ozbot;The Bet: BMR and Sheep to die in a year : SilkRoad 471750;1391223582;mircea_popescu;if only these experts had heard of bitbet. 471751;1391223590;benkay;well, fix it 471752;1391223679;mircea_popescu;sokay. 471753;1391223707;kakobrekla;you cant fix reddit 471754;1391223711;kakobrekla;you cant fix cognitive 471755;1391223715;kakobrekla;you cant fix shit. 471756;1391223728;benkay;better give up then ;) 471757;1391223761;kakobrekla;im not trying to fix 471758;1391223772;kakobrekla;just trying to spare times. 471759;1391223809;mircea_popescu;fundamentally speaking, time spent trying to improve the lives of idiots is a waste. 471760;1391223816;mircea_popescu;especially if their lives end up improved as a result. 471761;1391223898;mircea_popescu;"I begin implementing code changes to freeze funds and dump them to myself. I was unable to cope with the stress and constant demand, so I panicked. I am sorry for my actions, but with the funds I gathered from the site, I will be able to keep myself from being homeless for the next several months. I will always remember those that made this possible." 471762;1391223914;mircea_popescu;lol apparently nefario v2.0 was running a silkroad clone 471763;1391223926;mircea_popescu;or wait, was this intersangro v2.0 471764;1391223995;kakobrekla;hmm where is that from? 471765;1391224118;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321917.0 471766;1391224120;ozbot;Black market owner shuts down, takes BTC with him 471767;1391224172;pankkake;bitbet would be a great tool as insurance against black market closure 471768;1391224180;pankkake;provided bitbet wants too though 471769;1391224188;pankkake;-o 471770;1391224377;Duffer1;hello 471771;1391224402;mircea_popescu;hai. 471772;1391224608;asciilifeform;looking forward to the mega-scams involving 0.001btc total, a few yrs. from now 471773;1391224644;mircea_popescu;getting there yeah 471774;1391225225;kakobrekla;amazing 471775;1391225225;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 471776;1391225229;kakobrekla;taht story 471777;1391225355;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.15 = 0.3 BTC [-] {2} 471778;1391225415;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10200001 BTC [+] 471779;1391225476;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.102 BTC [-] 471780;1391225598;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.59858299 = 4.1901 BTC [-] {6} 471781;1391225861;mircea_popescu;what's altcoin diff yet ? 471782;1391225884;pankkake;will chaneg in a few secs 471783;1391225903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00090993 = 8.8263 BTC [-] {4} 471784;1391225942;pankkake;"difficulty" : 16.00000000 471785;1391225958;mircea_popescu;o hey. two in a row. 471786;1391226003;pankkake;still 1+ block per sec, I suspect a lot are lost to stale and orphans 471787;1391226010;pankkake;coingen really makes terrible coins :)) 471788;1391226064;mircea_popescu;lol i wonder why exactly that is 471789;1391226098;pankkake;why what? the starting difficulty is too low for todays's hardware 471790;1391226157;mircea_popescu;no, why terrible. 471791;1391226251;pankkake;bad settings of starting difficulty and its adjustments; no seed nodes; same genesis block for all coins and I think same RPC port 471792;1391226281;mircea_popescu;ic. 471793;1391226299;ThickAsThieves;i emailed him about getting the source 471794;1391226313;ThickAsThieves;so we'll see 471795;1391226316;pankkake;cool 471796;1391226390;pankkake;going to sleep, hopefully will be rich tomorrow 471797;1391226401;pankkake;"connections" : 26 that part is underwhelming 471798;1391226415;kakobrekla;i quit mining. 471799;1391226440;kakobrekla;most gets orphaned 471800;1391226450;Duffer1;pankkake coin? 471801;1391226452;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 10000 @ 0.005 = 50 BTC 471802;1391226455;pankkake;yeah :/ 471803;1391226464;pankkake;Duffer1 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.0 471804;1391226581;kakobrekla;someone do AltGrCoin 471805;1391226585;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4868391#msg4868391 471806;1391226587;ozbot;[NEW] The REAL Altcoin 471807;1391226591;mircea_popescu;your shenanigans have been called. 471808;1391226600;ThickAsThieves;i replied 471809;1391226615;ThickAsThieves;All altcoins are altcoins, but only one altcoin is Altcoin. 471810;1391226619;ThickAsThieves;duh 471811;1391226653;kakobrekla;get a domain and put up the logo 471812;1391226655;Duffer1;i'm tellin yall, Hodor Coin is the next Bitcoin 471813;1391226689;pankkake;I like Hodor Coin 471814;1391226727;kakobrekla;what about Buttcoins, pegged to 1 buttcoin value 471815;1391226747;pankkake;that would be centralized! 471816;1391226754;pankkake;unless we have colored buttcoins? 471817;1391226757;Mats_cd03;rude 471818;1391226767;mircea_popescu;you put lipstick on a number of cocks, all different colors 471819;1391226770;mircea_popescu;and then you mine. 471820;1391226776;Mats_cd03;'colored' 471821;1391226777;kakobrekla;rude was your daddy when he put it in your momma 471822;1391226796;Duffer1;hahah mp 471823;1391227011;mike_c;talk about growth hacking. 20 btc into 1800. 471824;1391227044;mike_c;that's some good marketing stats. 471825;1391227089;mircea_popescu;fwiw, i don't believe they are in fact marketing stats. 471826;1391227148;mike_c;what are they? 471827;1391227169;mircea_popescu;what i mean is : wall street "experts" love to take a fee if the fund does well. 471828;1391227176;mircea_popescu;statistically, the fund will do well sometime. 471829;1391227180;mircea_popescu;they have nothing to do with it. 471830;1391227211;mircea_popescu;similarly here : if you throw money around at some point good things may happen. just because marketeers imagine they have a monopoly on money beng thrown around 471831;1391227222;mircea_popescu;doesn't give them license to imagine good things happening are a marketing event 471832;1391227257;mike_c;so you're saying you weren't sure it would work, so you shouldn't get full credit. 471833;1391227264;mircea_popescu;just as well i could believe it's a sign from god and go into the church. 471834;1391227265;mike_c;but still, a nice move! 471835;1391227295;mircea_popescu;believe it or not, i'm saying the entire marketing consideration didn't even enter into it. 471836;1391227320;mike_c;you don't know how to take credit for good luck do you? what kind of ceo are you? 471837;1391227332;mircea_popescu;i'm an owner-ceo. 471838;1391227337;mircea_popescu;incredible, huh ? 471839;1391227376;ThickAsThieves;website will be up in a bit 471840;1391227385;mircea_popescu;why is it down! scam! 471841;1391227449;ThickAsThieves;omg this namecheap interface... 471842;1391227469;mircea_popescu;lol I PREDICTED 471843;1391227499;pankkake;management interface looks the same 471844;1391227514;pankkake;it's like 2000s ugly admin surrounded by trendy 2010s css 471845;1391227545;mircea_popescu;i dunno how the fuck it would, i had to use mine with nocss. 471846;1391227599;ThickAsThieves;how the hell do i get ftp access or something 471847;1391227607;ThickAsThieves;i can find so many features 471848;1391227610;ThickAsThieves;just none i need 471849;1391227661;mircea_popescu;ahaha madpax ftw. 471850;1391227672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00091307 = 10.6829 BTC [+] {2} 471851;1391227918;ThickAsThieves;this Hosting Dashboard has no hosting 471852;1391228098;mircea_popescu;yo dog. 471853;1391228110;mircea_popescu;we know you don't like hosting so we took your hosting out of the hosting dashboard. 471854;1391228631;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/1whket/cantina_market_mega_thread_up_vote_for_visibility/ 471855;1391228633;ozbot;Cantina Market Mega Thread (Up vote for visibility, this is a self post I receive no karma) : DarkNe 471856;1391228633;mircea_popescu;more lulzy 471857;1391228697;mircea_popescu;it's incredible how stupid these people are individually. the aggregate boggles. 471858;1391228709;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04999994 = 0.15 BTC [+] 471859;1391228750;Duffer1;wonder whatever happened to that kid that came in here trying to start his own silk road at his college 471860;1391228781;mircea_popescu;hopefully he got lazy and is now trying to shag this blonde teen. 471861;1391228794;mircea_popescu;anyway, this debacle really reminds me of the bitdaytrade thing 471862;1391228834;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/1wh8ey/cantina_marketplace_was_not_hacked/ << typical 471863;1391228835;ozbot;Cantina Marketplace Was NOT Hacked : DarkNetMarkets 471864;1391228896;mircea_popescu;"It would be neat if a (formerly) decent darknet market were to release their source code under an open source license. Some platform to build your darknet market on would be nice, rather than starting from scratch." 471865;1391228912;mircea_popescu;because code = business. at least if you're a redditard. 471866;1391229026;mircea_popescu;"INSERT INTO users(username,password,PIN,account_type,UID,RegDate,BTC,Purse,btc_timestamp, About_me) VALUES ('" . $_POST["username"] . ", " . $_POST["password"] (...)" 471867;1391229029;mircea_popescu;check that shit out. 471868;1391229071;mircea_popescu;this is php syntax isn't it ? or does ruby use that $_post construct ? 471869;1391229082;kakobrekla;its php 471870;1391229125;mircea_popescu;"They chose "password1" as their admin password." 471871;1391229216;mircea_popescu;http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/01/29/cantina-marketplace-pwnd-admin-password-was-password1/ 471872;1391229218;ozbot;Cantina Marketplace PWND: Admin Password was: “Password1″ ? | Deep Dot Web 471873;1391229385;ThickAsThieves;okay it's up http://therealaltcoin.org 471874;1391229402;mircea_popescu;Hello, 471875;1391229402;mircea_popescu;I am the owner of RoadSilk and I would like to ask if its possible to change the status of our website on the marketplace list. 471876;1391229402;mircea_popescu;We are legit and we do everything to make it the most secure & safe marketplace ever. 471877;1391229402;mircea_popescu;I know, we are not looking very legit but if we get some help with popular sites like yours, then everyone will notice how legit we are. 471878;1391229405;mircea_popescu;Currently we advertise on pages like TORSEARCH. 471879;1391229407;mircea_popescu;URL: kbhpodhnfxl3clb4.onion 471880;1391229409;mircea_popescu;We offer high security and 100% NO-bitcoin lose. 471881;1391229443;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves do you even mine it / 471882;1391229523;ThickAsThieves;No I have vowed not to mine it 471883;1391229528;ThickAsThieves;But I will buy it 471884;1391229549;ThickAsThieves;i dont premine, ythink i'm some kinda scammer? 471885;1391229562;mircea_popescu;a ok. 471886;1391229563;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 40 @ 0.005 = 0.2 BTC 471887;1391229579;mircea_popescu;actually it's probably better to buy it than o mine it. 471888;1391229596;mircea_popescu;seeing how buying costs the same, but also pumps it through the trade. 471889;1391229601;ThickAsThieves;another pm "May I ask what are your plans with this coin, are you gonna take it seriously ?" 471890;1391229607;ThickAsThieves;what does that even mean? 471891;1391229678;ThickAsThieves;What would my difference in behavior be if I were serious vs. not serious? 471892;1391229728;Duffer1;the coin wouldn't exist vs the coin does exist 471893;1391229731;mircea_popescu;it does matter. 471894;1391229776;mircea_popescu;in fact, from a game theory perspective, the total dollar value of your comittment sets his maximum comitment in turn 471895;1391229803;mircea_popescu;the discount rate of commitment is a market variable, roughly analoguous to the risk free rate in an economy 471896;1391229833;mircea_popescu;and jesus fuck i've spelled commitment each possible way 471897;1391229866;ThickAsThieves;So what if I post that I'll buy 10BTC worth when it lists on Cryptsy 471898;1391229904;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i'm guessing he may risk his 0.05 btc 471899;1391229919;mircea_popescu;if there's 200 of them it stabilizes 471900;1391229923;mircea_popescu;if there's 20k of them it explodes 471901;1391229924;mircea_popescu;etc. 471902;1391229958;mircea_popescu;im curious if you beat doge's estimated returns or not. 471903;1391229971;mircea_popescu;ie, whether you ever make 6 btc back, or if you make more. 471904;1391230087;ThickAsThieves;i'll need to pay someone to update the logo in the wallet once i get the source 471905;1391230102;ThickAsThieves;people didnt like the ugly blue one 471906;1391230121;ThickAsThieves;goes to show, spending 10 minutes on a logo is better than spending 4 minutes 471907;1391230127;kakobrekla;pankkake is your man, you can pay him in bernankecoin 471908;1391230146;mircea_popescu;lol 471909;1391230170;ThickAsThieves;will Namecheap fuck me if i host the package? 471910;1391230176;ThickAsThieves;this thing is obv going viral 471911;1391230183;ThickAsThieves;:) 471912;1391230217;mircea_popescu;lol 471913;1391230229;mircea_popescu;just get a vm somewhere, dns webhosting sucks in principle. 471914;1391230517;ThickAsThieves;You think a Cryptsy.com Lists Altcoin bet would pass the Halls of Judgement? 471915;1391230565;mircea_popescu;you zeroconfing the no ? 471916;1391230577;Duffer1;bet x on yes, pay vern x -10, profit 471917;1391230606;mircea_popescu;srsly. i mean cryptsy exists to list everything neh ? 471918;1391230610;mircea_popescu;"I have no idea man. The fucking admin has disappeared. All people thinking us fucking mods in on it and we had no idea. We have no access to anything at all. All we can do is ban users and delete forum posts. We also lost everything. Invested so fucking much. No job, no security, now in fucking huge debt all because of honest promise of pay. I stil have some kind of hope, but its running out fast. I really re 471919;1391230610;mircea_popescu;ally fucking hope this is just life problems for the admin team, but I have no idea. Thanks man for your support. This is a total fucking disaster though by the looks of it. 471920;1391230610;mircea_popescu;Im so fucking sorry for everything Ive said in the past. I got scammed just like every other fucking person. Scared for my fucking life now people trying to fucking dox us because they think were in on it. Fucked up man fucked up." 471921;1391230653;Duffer1;so.. bitdaytrade 471922;1391230683;Apocalyptic;not enough fucking 471923;1391230696;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 this is a diff one. 471924;1391230739;Duffer1;yea 471925;1391230788;kakobrekla;labcoin? 471926;1391230809;ThickAsThieves;watch a bunch of keychain users lose their coins: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wozk1/how_rich_are_you_compared_to_other_rbitcoin/ 471927;1391230849;mircea_popescu;lol 471928;1391230871;mircea_popescu;"Please only fill out the survey once, and be honest with your responses." 471929;1391230886;mircea_popescu;every page you turn, reddit gives the gist of itself. 471930;1391230932;mircea_popescu;"Right now, I've got less than 1BTC and I'm dirt poor. Back when bitcoins/litecoins weren't worth anything (< 2 years ago), I had what would now be worth over a quarter million dollars worth in my wallet. I ended up wasting it on stupid gambling sites / day trading before it was worth much. Worst foresight ever." 471931;1391230934;mircea_popescu;myeah. 471932;1391231054;ThickAsThieves;i wonder how much he sold recently 471933;1391231089;ThickAsThieves;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/releases/tag/v0.9.0rc1 471934;1391231098;mircea_popescu;for the 2nd rendition in 2018, "i had almost a whole btc, worth 1/4 mn" ? 471935;1391231142;ThickAsThieves;https://gist.github.com/laanwj/8693503#file-release-notes-0-9-0rc1-txt-L65-L205 471936;1391231143;ozbot;Preliminary 0.9.0rc1 release notes 471937;1391231206;mircea_popescu;"I myself had over 20 BTC I needed to withdrawal. I requested that I have my withdrawals open, he said he would, then never did. Last night all the mods began to realize it was true.he scammed us.,..even his own admin team. I mean obviously scamming all of you is terrible, but to scam his own team is beyond a normal scammer. It is someone who is the lowest of the low, the lowest of the scammers who are already so lo 471938;1391231206;mircea_popescu;w." 471939;1391231275;kakobrekla;lol 471940;1391231612;mircea_popescu;http://www.deepdotweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/avid.png 471941;1391231634;mircea_popescu;"i couldn't believe you have a web page asking users for their private pgp key" 471942;1391231635;Namworld;A scammer will scam anyone... ANYONE. As long as he can get away with it. He might not scam partners who live nearby. But from another country, working on same project. Why not? 471943;1391231642;Namworld;That's a silly statement. 471944;1391231650;mircea_popescu;Namworld kinda why it's funny. 471945;1391231662;ThickAsThieves;https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/429482019928559617 471946;1391231663;ozbot;Twitter / Bitcoin_Assets: The Altcoin to end all altcoins ... 471947;1391231731;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves so what diff are you targetting ? 471948;1391231790;Namworld;Whut? 471949;1391231799;Namworld;Altcoin: The Altcoin 471950;1391231870;ThickAsThieves;I want all the diff 471951;1391231877;ThickAsThieves;obv 471952;1391231940;mircea_popescu;not unless youy have all the btc. 471953;1391231942;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1000 @ 0.0057 = 5.7 BTC [-] {3} 471954;1391231943;ThickAsThieves;I'll consider it a success when it passes Doge 471955;1391231961;mircea_popescu;figure out based on mining cost what diff you want, put a bid wall around there on whatever altscam marketplace 471956;1391231976;mircea_popescu;you'll get it by simple economics. 471957;1391231999;ThickAsThieves;gotta get enough interest to get it listed first 471958;1391232015;ThickAsThieves;i wonder how they decide 471959;1391232028;kakobrekla;say neo and bee will support it 471960;1391232030;kakobrekla;and run. 471961;1391232039;Duffer1;ha 471962;1391232049;Duffer1;brb setting up vps 471963;1391232050;kakobrekla;also techically you can say mtgox will suport altchain(s) 471964;1391232055;kakobrekla;non capital leter! 471965;1391232074;mircea_popescu;lol 471966;1391232106;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves at their level, not like they can make a decision. if you say "i'll put a bid wall for x btc" they can't say no. 471967;1391232127;ThickAsThieves;hmm 471968;1391232144;Apocalyptic;I heard you have to pay Vern 471969;1391232147;ThickAsThieves;i'll wait for any more meaningful moves til i get the source 471970;1391232179;ThickAsThieves;has a coingen coin gotten into a market yet? 471971;1391232189;Apocalyptic;ThickAsThieves, i will list it for 4 btc 471972;1391232228;ThickAsThieves;you have an exchange? 471973;1391232237;Apocalyptic;x-bt.com 471974;1391232254;mircea_popescu;http://www.deepdotweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/developer.png 471975;1391232259;ThickAsThieves;and youll pay me 4btc to list it? ;) 471976;1391232268;Apocalyptic;haha 471977;1391232295;ThickAsThieves;can you even do it without the source? 471978;1391232299;mircea_popescu;https://x-bt.com/markets/ltcbtc 471979;1391232300;ozbot;X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin and Namecoin 471980;1391232310;mircea_popescu;the entire mkt depth is like <1btc ? 471981;1391232327;Apocalyptic;yeah mircea, it's new 471982;1391232335;ThickAsThieves;seems this would be an opportunity for you 471983;1391232341;ThickAsThieves;i'll let you list it for free 471984;1391232346;mircea_popescu;well so then enforce volume not fees. 471985;1391232366;mircea_popescu;tell him you'll list it if he puts at least X btc bids. 471986;1391232373;Apocalyptic; can you even do it without the source? // if you have a linux 64-bit exec yeah 471987;1391232401;ThickAsThieves;dunno the bit, but linux is in the package too 471988;1391232548;kakobrekla;why put bids 471989;1391232551;kakobrekla;you can buy it off me 471990;1391232577;kakobrekla;im jk. its better to put bids. 471991;1391232606;ThickAsThieves;how does one put a value on it? 471992;1391232622;ThickAsThieves;it's virtually priceless 471993;1391232623;kakobrekla;whats the current diff pankkake 471994;1391232631;ThickAsThieves;hey thats the slogan maybe! 471995;1391232743;Apocalyptic;heh 471996;1391232797;ThickAsThieves;making slogans is just too easy 471997;1391232805;ThickAsThieves;"Never Mine Another Altcoin Again" 471998;1391232827;ThickAsThieves;i'm gonna sting em all into a subliminal message 471999;1391232830;ThickAsThieves;string 472000;1391232850;Duffer1;"We're totally not trying to reduce LTC diff, MINE ALTCOIN WITH CONFIDENCE" 472001;1391232865;mircea_popescu;it's shared anyway neh ? 472002;1391233539;Duffer1;tat how much does it cost to coingen a new alt? 472003;1391233586;ThickAsThieves;.01btc, with some upgrade fees 472004;1391233598;ThickAsThieves;i missed the whole source code part 472005;1391233604;ThickAsThieves;i think its .05btc 472006;1391233631;Vexual;does this share keys with bitcoin? can we chared key trade? 472007;1391233647;ThickAsThieves;pankakke might know 472008;1391233661;ThickAsThieves;i'm just a CEO, what do i know 472009;1391233665;Vexual;u running a node? 472010;1391233667;Duffer1;ha 472011;1391233696;ThickAsThieves;i havent even opened the package at all 472012;1391233822;mircea_popescu;lmao 472013;1391233853;mircea_popescu;;;eauth mircea_popescu 472014;1391233853;gribble;Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452 472015;1391233881;mircea_popescu;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3dd75e1e1e35261f5cd9fbf33c902e58cae06d9217ebbfc20e59d872 472016;1391233882;gribble;You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452 472017;1391233893;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust benkay 472018;1391233894;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013 472019;1391233910;mircea_popescu;;;rate benkay 1 The original Cascadian. 472020;1391233911;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded. 472021;1391233955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3075 @ 0.00090799 = 2.7921 BTC [-] 472022;1391234073;mircea_popescu;;;unrate theymos 472023;1391234075;gribble;Successfully removed your rating for theymos. 472024;1391234109;herbijudlestoids;http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/tsa-screener-confession-102912.html 472025;1391234109;ozbot;TSA Agent Confession - POLITICO Magazine 472026;1391234110;ThickAsThieves;look new scams! https://www.therocktrading.com/en/exchange/stock 472027;1391234118;mircea_popescu;;;unrate oneeyed 472028;1391234119;gribble;Successfully removed your rating for oneeyed. 472029;1391234135;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids you know you gotta read the log before linking stuff 472030;1391234162;Vexual;this coin better hit dollar parity, i got an orphaned ATC block at 4000M 472031;1391234162;herbijudlestoids;soz 472032;1391234178;herbijudlestoids;hullo vexual 472033;1391234191;Vexual;hey herbi 472034;1391234194;ThickAsThieves;herbijudlestoids https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/429315308973588481 472035;1391234236;herbijudlestoids;double lul! 472036;1391234242;herbijudlestoids;nice pants mircea_popescu 472037;1391234259;mircea_popescu;ty. 472038;1391234276;herbijudlestoids;are they custom fit? no belt i see 472039;1391234278;kakobrekla;ThickAsThieves that thing has been around since time immemorial 472040;1391234283;kakobrekla;and is not a scam AS SUCH. 472041;1391234294;mircea_popescu;myeah. 472042;1391234314;herbijudlestoids;fancy 472043;1391234327;mircea_popescu;;;rate thestringpuller 1 I dunno that he's ever pulled any strings. 472044;1391234328;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user thestringpuller has been recorded. 472045;1391234347;herbijudlestoids;is that romania? looks nice 472046;1391234352;kakobrekla;i always thougt that were guitar strings or smth. 472047;1391234389;mircea_popescu;;;rate leotreasure 1 Trader. 472048;1391234397;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids that is iirc veracruz 472049;1391234412;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user leotreasure has been recorded. 472050;1391234431;mircea_popescu;;;unrate Josh_Rossi 472051;1391234433;gribble;Successfully removed your rating for Josh_Rossi. 472052;1391234482;mircea_popescu;;;rate jborkl_ 1 He blogs and stuff. 472053;1391234483;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user jborkl_ has been recorded. 472054;1391234550;kakobrekla;no more like for mjr? 472055;1391234573;mircea_popescu;i think he's not using that anymoar. 472056;1391234591;mircea_popescu;http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Josh_Rossi&sign=ANY&type=RECV 472057;1391234592;ozbot;Rating Details for User 'Josh_Rossi' 472058;1391234623;herbijudlestoids;here is the distribution of 20tick lognormal returns for last ~3 days, heavy trading last night means better sample size! http://imgur.com/J7AQWiu 472059;1391234626;herbijudlestoids;(for MPOE) 472060;1391234648;mircea_popescu;is this good ? 472061;1391234652;kakobrekla;looks like fuck you 472062;1391234679;kakobrekla;srs 472063;1391234681;kakobrekla;middlefinger. 472064;1391234682;mircea_popescu;lol kinda ya 472065;1391234700;herbijudlestoids;the simplest story the graph tells is that a gambler could bet on any 20 tick bar and more likely expect a positive return than negative one 472066;1391234705;herbijudlestoids;it also tells other stories ;) 472067;1391234734;mircea_popescu;so basically "it's going mostly up" ? 472068;1391234737;herbijudlestoids;for example, if there is a 20 tick bar with a -2% return, you should bet against it 472069;1391234763;herbijudlestoids;because its highly unlikely that the next bar will be also a -2% return bar or even a -1% return bar, etc 472070;1391234773;herbijudlestoids;this is just preliminary play info until i can get more sample size 472071;1391234782;herbijudlestoids;we are at 155 ticks total 472072;1391234804;mircea_popescu;did you truncate past -2/+2 or just never happened ? 472073;1391234818;herbijudlestoids;no i dont truncat its automatically bucketed 472074;1391234825;herbijudlestoids;so whatever tails you see are the best/worst of the distribution 472075;1391234834;mircea_popescu;a 472076;1391234864;herbijudlestoids;definitely starting to look more like the levy distributions that im used to in other stocks 472077;1391234877;mike_c;i hate technical analysis, so excuse my stupid question: wtf is a 20 tick bar? 472078;1391234899;herbijudlestoids;its a different way of plotting the data instead of price/time its price/arbitrary divisions of price 472079;1391234908;herbijudlestoids;20 ticks == 20 trades 472080;1391234923;mircea_popescu;http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=S.MPOE 472081;1391234924;ozbot;CoinBr Live S.MPOE 472082;1391234926;mike_c;so if a stock trades down for 20 ticks, you're saying buy it or sell it? 472083;1391234931;mircea_popescu;you gotta catch one of those events 472084;1391234937;mircea_popescu;(select month) 472085;1391234941;herbijudlestoids;im not really saying anything based on a 155 tick sample size 472086;1391234951;mike_c;right, but if you were 472087;1391234960;mircea_popescu;lol 472088;1391234974;herbijudlestoids;on avg? yea bet against the down 472089;1391234997;mike_c;hm. just watch out for those head & shoulder patterns, i hear they're rough. 472090;1391235003;herbijudlestoids;it doesnt have to trade down all 20 ticks, right? just a - return 472091;1391235006;herbijudlestoids;lol h&s 472092;1391235017;herbijudlestoids;this isnt really technical analysis so much as quantitative analysis 472093;1391235024;herbijudlestoids;there is a big difference 472094;1391235035;Vexual;no hypothesis? 472095;1391235047;mircea_popescu;no, we'll just insult your crackpottery regardless 472096;1391235055;mircea_popescu;listen to that, numbers and zodiacs! 472097;1391235064;herbijudlestoids;TA guy will buy and sell based on ...for example h&s pattern...QA guy will analyse exactly what a h&s pattern is, expected returns, failure rates etc 472098;1391235070;herbijudlestoids;one sec someone at door 472099;1391235076;Vexual;cops 472100;1391235080;mircea_popescu;lol. 472101;1391235096;mircea_popescu;cops, hookers or pizza. 472102;1391235113;Vexual;trifecta 472103;1391235123;kakobrekla;hooker looking like cop bringing pizza 472104;1391235126;kakobrekla;id have that. 472105;1391235141;herbijudlestoids;lemme give you example, this is TA: http://finviz.com this is QA: http://thepatternsite.com/ 472106;1391235160;herbijudlestoids;i mostly spend time on SSRN and thewholestreet.com tho 472107;1391235184;mike_c;your QA site is talking about h&s 472108;1391235187;mike_c;http://thepatternsite.com/BustHSB.html 472109;1391235187;ozbot;Bulkowski's Busted Head-and-Shoulders Bottoms 472110;1391235195;mircea_popescu;lol 472111;1391235203;herbijudlestoids;yes, but hes *tested* it over ~5000 stocks and multiple parameters etc 472112;1391235209;mike_c;If price fails to drop more than 10% below the bottom of the head-and-shoulders bottom, then it could be forming a double bus 472113;1391235213;herbijudlestoids;data going back ~30 years adjusted for bias 472114;1391235216;mike_c;*double bust 472115;1391235221;kakobrekla;lolz 472116;1391235241;herbijudlestoids;and what does it say about success rate of this pattern mike_c? 472117;1391235245;herbijudlestoids;lowwww 472118;1391235250;mike_c;ohh, so if you find patterns in a random walk, then they must be valid going forward 472119;1391235269;herbijudlestoids;wut? no... 472120;1391235276;herbijudlestoids;think of that site like mythbusters 472121;1391235282;herbijudlestoids;...sheesh nevermind 472122;1391235294;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids his question is simply this : both qa and ta rely on a fundamental predictive presumption. 472123;1391235299;mircea_popescu;which is equally incorrect for both 472124;1391235311;mircea_popescu;so now, how do you insulate from that problem ? 472125;1391235314;mike_c;yeah, like i said :) 472126;1391235323;herbijudlestoids;whats the presumption? you lost me 472127;1391235333;mircea_popescu;that future data relates to past data. 472128;1391235338;herbijudlestoids;oh right :D 472129;1391235351;mircea_popescu;predictive. ie, that somehow a numeric manipulation of the past yields the future. 472130;1391235352;herbijudlestoids;mostly through the use of adaptive algorithms, for me, personally 472131;1391235364;mircea_popescu;can you see why that won't impress him ? 472132;1391235390;herbijudlestoids;i am not interested in impressing, im interested in consistent double digit returns with low vol 472133;1391235399;herbijudlestoids;~10-20%pa is good 472134;1391235422;mike_c;apply your quant to JD and see what you can predict 472135;1391235427;herbijudlestoids;whats JD? 472136;1391235433;mircea_popescu;just dice, a dice site. 472137;1391235436;mircea_popescu;.jd 472138;1391235446;mircea_popescu;hm what was the command ? 472139;1391235482;herbijudlestoids;is it a listed stock somewhere? or do you mean apply it to bets on the site itself? i couldnt see it in my mpex data 472140;1391235484;Vexual;bot is mining atc 472141;1391235497;kakobrekla;!jd 472142;1391235518;assbot;Just-Dice stat: 0 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 0.00 mio bets, 0.00 mio BTC wagered 472143;1391235518;kakobrekla;or what 472144;1391235520;herbijudlestoids;the simplest betting strategy is to bet on the low volatility bets, i.e. those that have a low payoff but high probability of succeeding 472145;1391235524;kakobrekla;SCAM. 472146;1391235529;herbijudlestoids;most gamblers cant beat that strategy 472147;1391235535;mircea_popescu;whgat ?! 472148;1391235539;mike_c;whoa. jd is broke 472149;1391235541;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28750 @ 0.00090799 = 26.1047 BTC [-] 472150;1391235545;kakobrekla;he changed ips 472151;1391235547;kakobrekla;apparently 472152;1391235549;mircea_popescu;o 472153;1391235556;kakobrekla;i had direct access to his server 472154;1391235563;kakobrekla;for assbot 472155;1391235571;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids jd is a dice site. people gamble on it. its house edge is 1%. the returns it pays investors vary wildly. 472156;1391235614;mircea_popescu;you can bet on any self-chosen odds, including 95% for a 4% gain or w/e. 472157;1391235623;mike_c;point being, you could backtest and find patterns that would look profitable but are in fact completely irrelevant. 472158;1391235638;mircea_popescu;people do, all the time, actually. 472159;1391235647;mircea_popescu;about half the time they work. 472160;1391235657;mike_c;like people at a baccarat table marking player vs banker 472161;1391235663;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00090799 = 14.0738 BTC [-] 472162;1391235684;mircea_popescu;anyway, nothing wrong with an actual quant. 472163;1391235684;herbijudlestoids;i dont really look for any form of complex pattern 472164;1391235689;mircea_popescu;too many tas in bitcoin as it is. 472165;1391235691;herbijudlestoids;im looking for robustness and simplicity 472166;1391235698;Vexual;the lucky chap claimed to have spotted it when he took jd for thousands 472167;1391235718;mircea_popescu;Vexual the first time it happened it spooked doog to all hell. 472168;1391235721;herbijudlestoids;if its a regular dice site i would say just bet using kelly criterion 472169;1391235725;herbijudlestoids;hard to outperform that 472170;1391235747;Vexual;yeah i dont doubt that mp 472171;1391235776;mircea_popescu;i wonder if im the oldest net positive jd gambler 472172;1391235786;mircea_popescu;if memory serves i was up 50 btc or so, whenever that was 472173;1391235794;mircea_popescu;prolly last syummer ? when did it launch 472174;1391235878;mike_c;https://just-dice.com/roll/1 472175;1391235887;mike_c;2013-06-19 472176;1391235962;mircea_popescu;aha. yeah. 472177;1391235972;herbijudlestoids;hmm ok i just looked, id make bets with 60% chance to win 472178;1391235979;herbijudlestoids;and adjust bet size by kelly criterion 472179;1391235980;herbijudlestoids;done 472180;1391235989;mircea_popescu;by kc you should actually invest not bet. 472181;1391236009;Vexual;is doog on wot? who's he tight with? 472182;1391236012;mircea_popescu;kc on a negative ev is negative. 472183;1391236021;mircea_popescu;Vexual yes. me for instance. 472184;1391236042;Vexual;ah 472185;1391236045;Vexual;nuff said 472186;1391236080;Apocalyptic;;;gettrust dooglus 472187;1391236081;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Apocalyptic to user dooglus: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Apocalyptic&dest=dooglus | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dooglus | Rated since: Thu Apr 5 06:34:26 2012 472188;1391236135;mike_c;herbijudlestoids: i think the more analysis the better, so i hope you keep at it. i'm just not a believer. 472189;1391236182;herbijudlestoids;hope i can show you some cool stuff when hte sample size gets bigger 472190;1391236192;Vexual;trade it herbi 472191;1391236196;mircea_popescu;night all. 472192;1391236210;kakobrekla;make a blog, post results 472193;1391236214;kakobrekla;i hear that is what people do 472194;1391236221;kakobrekla;nite mp 472195;1391236269;mike_c;sell predictions. tell half of them it's going up, the other half it's going down. next week, split your list again and repeat. 472196;1391236281;mike_c;works for sports touts 472197;1391236287;herbijudlestoids;i might buy a couple of bitcoins and bet on just dice...maybe...kind of got my heart set on buying as much MPOE as i can 472198;1391236304;mike_c;that would be better than betting on jd. 472199;1391236759;herbijudlestoids;best mates here, peace 472200;1391237432;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4184 @ 0.00090733 = 3.7963 BTC [-] {2} 472201;1391238591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00090646 = 5.1215 BTC [-] {2} 472202;1391239323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00090839 = 4.542 BTC [+] 472203;1391239994;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_5YJoMNmXc 472204;1391241271;Namworld;not JD... it's always JD 472205;1391241275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00090551 = 2.3543 BTC [-] 472206;1391242129;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.0029 = 0.2842 BTC [-] 472207;1391243410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00090876 = 7.6336 BTC [+] {2} 472208;1391244838;Vexual;;;seen Vexual 472209;1391245057;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [+] 472210;1391246460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6961 @ 0.00090962 = 6.3319 BTC [+] {2} 472211;1391247253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00091005 = 12.5132 BTC [+] 472212;1391247863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00090539 = 8.3296 BTC [-] {2} 472213;1391249266;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61998687 = 1.24 BTC [+] {2} 472214;1391249693;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5895 @ 0.00091005 = 5.3647 BTC [+] 472215;1391250486;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1015 = 0.203 BTC [-] {2} 472216;1391250487;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0057 = 0.1254 BTC [-] 472217;1391251279;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 472218;1391251828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3918 @ 0.00091239 = 3.5747 BTC [+] 472219;1391252438;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 472220;1391252865;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02740002 = 0.137 BTC [-] {2} 472221;1391252988;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.18 BTC [-] 472222;1391253231;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C125T] 10 @ 0.02511592 = 0.2512 BTC [-] 472223;1391253597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00091239 = 7.2079 BTC [+] 472224;1391253719;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.17173037 BTC [-] 472225;1391253902;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02740001 = 0.1096 BTC [-] 472226;1391254127;jurov;Revenue from new accounts : 1`830 BTC *gasp* 472227;1391254268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3155 @ 0.00091128 = 2.8751 BTC [-] 472228;1391254451;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8972 @ 0.00090972 = 8.162 BTC [-] 472229;1391254486;Duffer1;Jimmothy should be on payroll 472230;1391256220;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00090317 = 12.3283 BTC [-] {3} 472231;1391256220;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.17173037 BTC [-] 472232;1391256586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24320 @ 0.00091272 = 22.1974 BTC [+] {3} 472233;1391256830;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.18 BTC [+] 472234;1391258859;nubbins`;hi 472235;1391258918;ThickAsThieves;mornin 472236;1391258928;nubbins`;altcoin millionaire yet? 472237;1391259239;ThickAsThieves;i have to buy some first 472238;1391259249;ThickAsThieves;need to get the damn source 472239;1391259280;ThickAsThieves;being a CEO isnt as easy as I imagined! 472240;1391259614;nubbins`;heh 472241;1391259763;mircea_popescu;wow mike_c knows how the sport tout biz works. props. 472242;1391259808;mircea_popescu;incidentally, this is how idiots like keiser work, too. all the obscure web "financial experts", or bet picking experts, or so on work on the same business model : 472243;1391259829;mircea_popescu;1. you put up a site with some content and drive a ton of traffic to it. google ads, whatever. this is your start-up cost. 472244;1391259850;mircea_popescu;2. you gather leads for your "special picks" list, which you contact via email. this is your stable of suckers. 472245;1391259870;mircea_popescu;3. you split them in equal halves and give one half one pick, the other your opposite. 472246;1391259889;mircea_popescu;now you have 50% of the list worth of people who think you must be on to something. 472247;1391259929;mircea_popescu;4. you subdivide both divisions. now you have a list of people who know you fucked up twice, this you discard ; two lists of people who think you go tone out of two. these you merge ; a most valuable list of idiots who think you got 2 out of 2. 472248;1391259942;mircea_popescu;that latter list is your money maker. the merged list is where you mine for idiots. 472249;1391259959;mircea_popescu;this allows you to actually extract a profit out of the stupidity of people who are too stupid to realise just how stupid they are. 472250;1391259974;ThickAsThieves;now swap lists for Financial News Networks 472251;1391259989;mircea_popescu;"ll the obscure web "financial experts", or bet picking experts" :) 472252;1391260026;ThickAsThieves;surely someone has done a study 472253;1391260035;mircea_popescu;surely nobody has bothered. 472254;1391260048;ThickAsThieves;how often tv picks work out to be worse then flipping a coin 472255;1391260054;ThickAsThieves;than 472256;1391260054;mircea_popescu;because the scammors can pay, and can scream, whereas the idiots can't pay, and can scream too, and they will scream against their interest. 472257;1391260063;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 413 @ 0.00043103 = 0.178 BTC [-] {4} 472258;1391260066;mircea_popescu;you don't get a mpoe-pr in all venues. 472259;1391260084;mircea_popescu;in fact, she's so novel that people that go by "what i've seen" generally imagine she's a poor pr. 472260;1391260106;ThickAsThieves;it's also funny that this is just economics, nothing sinister 472261;1391260122;ThickAsThieves;having mpoe-pr on tv just wouldnt be as profitable ad Mad Money 472262;1391260125;mircea_popescu;well, science employed to dominate idiocy is the idiot's definition of sinister. 472263;1391260127;mircea_popescu;thinkaboutit :D 472264;1391260189;mircea_popescu;anyway, i woke up after six hour's sleep with two article ideas in my head and ended up writing a third in chat while taking a break from writing my first ;/ 472265;1391260203;mircea_popescu;to think people actually BUY drugs. whatcha got endocrine glands for, ya tits ?! 472266;1391260232;ThickAsThieves;people like variety i guess 472267;1391260238;nubbins`;^ 472268;1391260255;nubbins`;my endocrine glands don't produce thc 472269;1391260275;ThickAsThieves;Hormones - The REAL Gateway Drug 472270;1391260313;mircea_popescu;nubbins` so return them and negrate your parents ? :D 472271;1391260341;ThickAsThieves;how long before negrate is in the dictionary? 472272;1391260345;ThickAsThieves;;;ud negrate 472273;1391260389;nubbins`;;:rate mom -1 bad glands 472274;1391260397;ThickAsThieves;negrate 472275;1391260397;ThickAsThieves;(N) 1. An ungrateful person, behaving as if they were entitled to everything. 2. A white person behaving as if they were black. 472276;1391260397;ThickAsThieves;(V) 1. To treat someone of the same color with the disrespect of racial discrimination. 2. To disregard a respectable black person because of their skin color 472277;1391260436;ThickAsThieves;verb: give a negative rating to a posting or a definition in Urbandictionary (thumbs down) 472278;1391260455;nubbins`;huh. 472279;1391260503;mircea_popescu;dude so meta and self absorbed and awareness rasing this. 472280;1391260646;ThickAsThieves;it is pretty on point considering your efforts to clearly define niggers.txt 472281;1391260740;mircea_popescu;lol 472282;1391260947;pankkake;"difficulty" : 1024.00000000 harsh 472283;1391261042;ThickAsThieves;how much hashing is that? 472284;1391261066;ThickAsThieves;Are we at one TH yet? 472285;1391261069;ThickAsThieves;:) 472286;1391261157;ThickAsThieves;anyone know a better way to reach bluematt than this coingen email? 472287;1391261424;nubbins`;kiloharsh 472288;1391261434;nubbins`;speaking of THC 472289;1391261524;ThickAsThieves;tetrahydrocoin? 472290;1391261624;nubbins`;tetrahydrocannabinoin 472291;1391261635;nubbins`;increase your harsh rate 472292;1391261832;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/kink-high/ 2k years with gold. 472562;1391267203;mircea_popescu;maybe 15 is short. maybe we have 250 years. 472563;1391267211;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves so does everyone else. 472564;1391267222;ThickAsThieves;yeah but me more so! 472565;1391267225;mircea_popescu;those with good reason for good reason, those without good reason for d-k reasons. 472566;1391267306;decimation;www.netagio.com <-- has anyone used this exchange? 472567;1391267320;ThickAsThieves;just realized that this and our prior bacterial topic bring new subtlety to "trust your gut" 472568;1391267322;mircea_popescu;never seen before. 472569;1391267341;mircea_popescu;;;google john cussack "my gut is full of shit" 472570;1391267341;gribble;High Fidelity - Wikiquote: ; This One Time I Met John Cusack And It Changed Everything ...: ; John Cusack, Gen X's Favorite Antihero | Mother Jones: 472571;1391267458;pankkake;https://github.com/thiderman/doge 472572;1391267461;decimation;LoL they have a nifty javascript historical bitcoin-price chart: http://www.netagio.com/market-data 472573;1391267509;mircea_popescu;did i see 1024 altscamcoin difficulty earlier ? that means you missed no quadrupling yet ?! 472574;1391267539;Duffer1;any thoughts on the recent high profile bankster suicides? 472575;1391267561;Apocalyptic;they finally saw their derivative balance 472576;1391267569;pankkake;mircea_popescu: yup 472577;1391267570;Apocalyptic;more seriously though, no idea 472578;1391267576;Duffer1;ha 472579;1391267590;mircea_popescu;pankkake make a bitbet bet as to how many 4s you get ? 472580;1391267593;pankkake;I'm not mining anything now :( 472581;1391267600;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 people generally do not wish to live in any possible world. 472582;1391267618;mircea_popescu;they have a set of worlds they'll live in, and a set of worlds they won't. 472583;1391267620;ThickAsThieves;did Altcoin burn out your chips? 472584;1391267652;pankkake;I guess the bet could be "altcoin difficulty to be exactly X", but I don't know what could be a good number 472585;1391267673;ThickAsThieves;Altcoin gets listed on Cryptsy is a better bet 472586;1391267688;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, that implies something must have recently changed that is strong enough to shift the reality to the other category of worlds 472587;1391267689;pankkake;I think there are too many blocks per second and thus even my good finds get rejected 472588;1391267694;mircea_popescu;pankkake it could be "altcoin difficulty will be a power of 4 by bitcoin block X" 472589;1391267719;ThickAsThieves;How about this bet : Altcoin is the best altcoin. This bet resolves as Yes if the answer is No. 472590;1391267731;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic it's not necessarily true. if you won't live in a world without cunt, and right this second i turn all women's crotch into angels' how long would it be before you realise i did it ? 472591;1391267745;decimation;tat lol 472592;1391267769;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves somehow i suspect it's not getting accepted :p 472593;1391267782;ThickAsThieves;cuz your mods have no appreciation for the arts 472594;1391267787;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, a matter of days i guess 472595;1391267795;mircea_popescu;so there you go. 472596;1391267805;ThickAsThieves;just like my schrodinger's bitbet idea 472597;1391267815;ThickAsThieves;i will see that one implemented before i die! 472598;1391267815;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves actually, strangest thing : they do! if it has my seal of approval on it, they'll do it even if it makes no sense. 472599;1391267817;mircea_popescu;now that's art. 472600;1391267828;ThickAsThieves;thats slavery, not art 472601;1391267828;decimation;Ja the dictatorship of art is the ideal 472602;1391267837;mircea_popescu;^ 472603;1391267837;ThickAsThieves;unless you are Meese... 472604;1391267895;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic if you've ever seen V for vendetta, there's that scene with "i've already killed you" 472605;1391267901;mircea_popescu;kinda how the fiat world goes, atm. 472606;1391267902;Apocalyptic;i've seen it 472607;1391267913;mircea_popescu;"is it too late to apologize ?" "never" etc. 472608;1391267932;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15000 @ 0.0000839 = 1.2585 BTC [-] {12} 472609;1391267943;nubbins`;hahaha 472610;1391267981;nubbins`;http://www.canadianart.ca/wp-content/uploads/online/see-it/2008/10/16/jonathan_meese1_800.jpg 472611;1391267992;Apocalyptic;i don't specifically recall these quotes though 472612;1391268036;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic mebbe time to re-see it ? :D 472613;1391268043;Apocalyptic;indeed 472614;1391268098;nubbins`;http://www.art-magazin.de/asset/Image/KUNST/Meese_Essl/bildstrecke/02-Meese-Essl-003.jpg 472615;1391268103;nubbins`;what a freak 472616;1391268106;decimation;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Tuf_uQFFg 472617;1391268149;mircea_popescu;"Unbelievable as it may sound, the US economy today is a shadow of what it was in the '70s." 472618;1391268157;mircea_popescu;hahaha for whom exactly would this be unbelievable ?! 472619;1391268159;mircea_popescu;srsly now. 472620;1391268203;kakobrekla;http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg4872372#msg4872372 472621;1391268217;kakobrekla;gotta be persistent, you know, and things turn around. 472622;1391268265;mircea_popescu;paying forum shills now i see 472623;1391268267;mircea_popescu;shame on you. 472624;1391268285;kakobrekla;lol 472625;1391268289;Apocalyptic;that wasn't a difficult call kako 472626;1391268305;kakobrekla;why didnt you call it then!? 472627;1391268317;mircea_popescu;zing. 472628;1391268322;Apocalyptic;i don't follow the scamining scene 472629;1391268346;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic perhaps the reason it is an easy call today is that today happens in an universe which was shaped by the uneasy calling yesterday. 472630;1391268362;kakobrekla;3 months ago i was getting ripped 472631;1391268364;mircea_popescu;and perhaps had that not been called then, it'd be just as difficult to call today as it was then, and then you'd know about it, 472632;1391268369;decimation;In 1975 the US had a trade surplus 472633;1391268371;decimation;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/02/business/02charts.html?_r=0 472634;1391268376;mircea_popescu;yet you wouldn't still be following the scene 472635;1391268379;kakobrekla;when i went saying such things 472636;1391268391;kakobrekla;now im getting +1 ones. 472637;1391268467;Apocalyptic; Apocalyptic perhaps the reason it is an easy call today is that today happens in an universe which was shaped by the uneasy calling yesterday. // you may well be right 472638;1391268498;mircea_popescu;this is a well documented phenomenon in movies/entertainment, where a show that pioneers a lot of new devices that are then amply copied, when seen by later generations seems "stale" and "uninteresting" 472639;1391268515;nubbins`;pascale's assessment of funds on havelock: "none of these seem to be worth buying" 472640;1391268517;mircea_popescu;sorta the same thing at work, in the world which it made, which is entirely populated by its clones and copies, it seems... oddly banal. 472641;1391268541;mircea_popescu;and nobody can understand why anyone thought seinfeld was a big deal in 1995 472642;1391268570;nubbins`;same thing happens in music 472643;1391268585;pankkake;http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeinfeldIsUnfunny 472644;1391268586;mircea_popescu;hence 472645;1391268586;mircea_popescu;http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeinfeldIsUnfunny 472646;1391268590;pankkake;héhé! 472647;1391268590;mircea_popescu;ow fuck! 472648;1391268593;mircea_popescu;wd lol 472649;1391268604;pankkake;it even was in my browser history 472650;1391268720;mircea_popescu;nubbins` definitely happens to music too 472651;1391268725;mircea_popescu;perhaps happened to music first, actually. 472652;1391268742;nubbins`;oh sure 472653;1391268750;decimation;The more white altcoins there are, the more obvious the choice of the black pawn becomes 472654;1391268757;mircea_popescu;shh :p 472655;1391268790;mircea_popescu;i keep telling these doods altcoins are useful, and they only don't throw things at me because i'm fucking scary. 472656;1391268811;decimation;lol 472657;1391268897;decimation;anyway, if Bitcoinstein rises to rule the world one day, it is likely that the history recorded here will be used as the basis for law 472658;1391268958;mircea_popescu;there's been some formalisation of this principle going on so far, too. 472659;1391269091;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00283 = 0.566 BTC [-] 472660;1391269092;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.04999998 = 0.3 BTC [+] 472661;1391269129;nubbins`;any news re: new eulora release? 472662;1391269164;mircea_popescu;lemme dig it 472663;1391269195;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2014#470093 472664;1391269234;nubbins`;cool 472665;1391269335;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.027 = 0.135 BTC [-] 472666;1391269518;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+] 472667;1391269579;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.00550084 = 0.2915 BTC [-] {3} 472668;1391269611;mircea_popescu;virtually priceless lmao 472669;1391269640;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00546 = 0.1638 BTC [-] {2} 472670;1391269643;nubbins`;B.* is pretty lelly 472671;1391269645;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i tell you, if #bitcoin-assets trollcoin made on a lark ends up disloging doge, you will have SO MUCH angry wanna-be financial darklord butthurt on your hands 472672;1391269647;nubbins`;was just reading up 472673;1391269651;mircea_popescu;you won't be able to wash it off in a river. 472674;1391269689;KRS1;eh wut lol 472675;1391269701;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1675 BTC [+] 472676;1391269714;KRS1;f'n dogge coin is getting on my last nerve 472677;1391269762;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.17 BTC [+] 472678;1391269823;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.17 BTC [+] 472679;1391269824;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 472680;1391269878;ThickAsThieves;is that a bad thing? 472681;1391269884;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 472682;1391269889;ThickAsThieves;surely it's a resource for something 472683;1391269909;mircea_popescu;prolly picking up chicks. 472684;1391269911;kakobrekla;jurov you already got spam in your blogs commens 472685;1391269917;mircea_popescu;"hi baby, smell m yhands" 472686;1391269922;kakobrekla;bitbet captcha rulez 472687;1391270012;mircea_popescu;http://www.coinwarz.com/cryptocurrency << is it not here ? 472688;1391270018;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves ^ 472689;1391270047;pankkake;it would have to be on an exchange first 472690;1391270055;mircea_popescu;"But one question, how to do with my block erupter ?" 472691;1391270057;mircea_popescu;such win. 472692;1391270061;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4875170#msg4875170 472693;1391270108;nubbins`;http://www.ebay.com/itm/Funded-Casascius-25-BTC-Physical-Bitcoin-2011-V2-/281255345385 472694;1391270109;nubbins`;^ fake 472695;1391270142;ThickAsThieves;I decided it prudent not to go convincing people to list ATC til i get that source code 472696;1391270150;ThickAsThieves;right? 472697;1391270159;pankkake;right 472698;1391270165;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4872857#msg4872857 lmao 472699;1391270169;nubbins`;you might want to remind them that you can't stop them from doing so, though! 472700;1391270195;nubbins`;heh, dumpîng 472701;1391270250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00091008 = 14.1972 BTC [+] 472702;1391270385;mircea_popescu;pankkake http://bitbet.us/bet/748/altcoin-diff-to-be-power-of-four/ 472703;1391270386;mircea_popescu;got your wish 472704;1391270443;pankkake;stupid bets get approved fast! 472705;1391270469;mircea_popescu;i love a good caper. 472706;1391270511;ThickAsThieves;just sent .1btc on yes 472707;1391270544;pankkake;someone smart/not lazy could probably game the bet, with enough mining equipment 472708;1391270556;pankkake;at least for it to be Yes 472709;1391270914;jurov;kakobrekla i know i just wanted to start something. when it gets bad i'll migrate to something more customized 472710;1391271104;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 108 @ 0.00293511 = 0.317 BTC [+] {2} 472711;1391271348;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00090622 = 8.4278 BTC [-] 472712;1391271836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00090568 = 1.4491 BTC [-] 472713;1391271862;Apocalyptic;.d 472714;1391272081;mircea_popescu;"what's a keylogger" 472715;1391272092;mircea_popescu;famous words of a guy with a degree. in Exercise and Sport Science 472716;1391272108;asciilifeform;http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-exclusive-cia-and-secret-vacuum-cleaner 472717;1391272124;mircea_popescu;ap has a "bigstory" sub ?! 472718;1391272225;asciilifeform;nobody cancelled 'idiocracy'; expect a 'bigbooms' sub for war reportage, etc. 472719;1391272246;mircea_popescu;lol 472720;1391272259;mircea_popescu;actually bigbooms sounds quite "in" 472721;1391272343;mircea_popescu;The prison had a debriefing room, where Mohammed, who saw himself as something of a professor, held "office hours," as he told CIA officers. While chained to the floor, Mohammed would lecture the CIA officers on his path to jihad, his childhood and family. Tea and cookies were served. 472722;1391272345;mircea_popescu;lmao 472723;1391272361;mircea_popescu;i am curious whether overall the value of the guy to the cia was greater than the value of the cia to the guy. 472724;1391272380;mircea_popescu;one of these days one of those agents shoots his comanding officer and then there you have it, you bought m's tea and cookies for him. 472725;1391272507;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.0894 = 0.447 BTC [-] {3} 472726;1391272568;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 11 @ 0.08217274 = 0.9039 BTC [-] {6} 472727;1391272690;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.16999999 = 0.68 BTC [-] {4} 472728;1391272724;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=159.0 omfg that board. 472729;1391272744;mircea_popescu;finally, the kids got what they really wanted all along! 472730;1391272749;asciilifeform;woah 472731;1391272769;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=437695.0 omg 472732;1391272776;mircea_popescu;first page is 13 minutes long 472733;1391272780;pankkake;logo, gif 472734;1391272787;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you can read this? 472735;1391272799;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i can read anything. 472736;1391272807;asciilifeform;what i meant was, without retching 472737;1391272819;mircea_popescu;it's what you get in exchange for a classics education, you can entertain yourself with any string of text. 472738;1391272854;mircea_popescu;pankkake why the fuck does titscoin wear a bra 472739;1391272934;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00294999 = 0.2714 BTC [+] 472740;1391272995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10296 @ 0.00091176 = 9.3875 BTC [+] {2} 472741;1391273038;mircea_popescu;btw, you two, that guy's post is a good checklist of what to do. see if you can match all his links 472742;1391273056;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.24310363 = 2.431 BTC 472743;1391273117;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC 472744;1391273317;mircea_popescu;"No one observing the Western governments today can fail to be struck by a massive sense of sleepwalking. There is no unified consciousness or purpose behind their actions. Each of their decisions is an atom unto itself, made through an almost ritualized process by a large number of very intelligent, talented and ambitious people, whose abilities tend to cancel each other almost perfectly, leaving nothing but a chillin 472745;1391273317;mircea_popescu;g bureaucratic continuity." 472746;1391273348;mircea_popescu;"a country of laws, not of men" ye wanted, such a country ye now have. 472747;1391273368;mircea_popescu;dun be a-bitchin' to me. 472748;1391273849;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 472749;1391273971;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.32895079 BTC to 287 shares, 114617 satoshi per share 472750;1391274093;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.04999998 = 0.15 BTC [+] 472751;1391274102;mircea_popescu;Professor Bernanke is just that - a professor. He is a specialist in a framework invented to employ specialists. Computer science is full of these research empires, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Detaching your little subfield from reality is the easiest thing in the world. Reconnecting is almost impossible. First, you'd have to admit on your grant application that you'd been studying something other than 472752;1391274102;mircea_popescu;reality. If that's hard in Berkeley, try Washington. 472753;1391274108;mircea_popescu;yea, not a bad article really. 472754;1391274276;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00294999 = 0.1032 BTC [+] 472755;1391274642;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.59000999 = 4.1301 BTC [-] {4} 472756;1391274689;mircea_popescu;diametric btw re the goldstein thing, grep the logs for "republic of bitcoin" 472757;1391274931;KRS1;http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/242/610/b82.png 472758;1391274934;KRS1;http://www.cnbc.com/id/101380488 472759;1391274985;mircea_popescu;also, for our couple greek speaking readers : Απολείπειν ο θεός Αντώνιον. 472760;1391274985;mircea_popescu;Σαν έξαφνα, ώρα μεσάνυχτ', ακουσθεί αόρατος θίασος να περνά με μουσικές εξαίσιες, με φωνές -- την τύχη σου που ενδίδει πια, τα έργα σου που απέτυχαν, τα σχέδια της ζωής σου 472761;1391274985;mircea_popescu;που βγήκαν όλα πλάνες, μη ανοφέλετα θρηνήσεις. 472762;1391274985;mircea_popescu;Σαν έτοιμος από καιρό, σα θαρραλέος, αποχαιρέτα την, την Αλεξάνδρεια που φεύγει. 472763;1391274987;mircea_popescu;Προ πάντων να μη γελασθείς, μην πείς πως ήταν ένα όνειρο, πως απατήθηκεν η ακοή σου· μάταιες ελπίδες τέτοιες μην καταδεχθείς. 472764;1391274991;mircea_popescu;Σαν έτοιμος από καιρό, σα θαρραλέος, σαν που ταιριάζει σε που αξιώθηκες μια τέτοια πόλι, πλησίασε σταθερά προς το παράθυρο, κι άκουσε με συγκίνησιν, αλλ' όχι με των δειλών τα παρακάλια και παράπονα, 472765;1391274996;mircea_popescu;ως τελευταία απόλαυσι τους ήχους, τα εξαίσια όργανα του μυστικού θιάσου, κι αποχαιρέτα την, την Αλεξάνδρεια που χάνεις. 472766;1391275069;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 472767;1391275496;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 39 @ 0.54882877 = 21.4043 BTC [-] {15} 472768;1391275679;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 52 @ 0.04999993 = 2.6 BTC [+] {4} 472769;1391275740;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.02859997 = 0.3146 BTC [+] {4} 472770;1391275801;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 57 @ 0.02899999 = 1.653 BTC [+] {2} 472771;1391275852;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in english, "Good money must have an intrinsic value. The United States of America cannot make its shadow legal tender for debts payable in money without ultimately bringing upon their foreign commerce and their home industry a catastrophe, which will be the more overwhelming the longer the day of wrath puts off its coming. Our federal constitution was designed to end forever the emission of bills of credit a 472772;1391275852;mircea_popescu;s legal tender in payment of debts, alike by the individual states and the United States; and it will have that effect, if it is rightly interpreted and firmly enforced." 472773;1391275862;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02899999 = 0.29 BTC [+] {2} 472774;1391275878;mircea_popescu;( http://www.constitution.org/gb/gb-plea.htm ) 472775;1391275878;mircea_popescu;the 1800s called, they want their pound of flesh back. 472776;1391275981;ThickAsThieves;i never realized how useful paulo coelho quotes could be in our world 472777;1391275990;mircea_popescu;their world, but yea. 472778;1391275994;ThickAsThieves;“Every blessing ignored becomes a curse.” 472779;1391276009;ThickAsThieves;“When we strive to become better than we are, everything around us becomes better, too.” 472780;1391276018;ThickAsThieves;“You will never be able to escape from your heart. So it's better to listen to what it has to say.” 472781;1391276042;ThickAsThieves;“Everything that happens once can never happen again. But everything that happens twice will surely happen a third time.” 472782;1391276045;ThickAsThieves;lol 472783;1391276052;mircea_popescu;fortune cookies ftw. 472784;1391276066;ThickAsThieves;“Remember that wherever your heart is, there you will find your treasure.” 472785;1391276091;mircea_popescu;there's an entire subculture dedicated to this stuff (and embroidery) in romania 472786;1391276094;mircea_popescu;not so in the us huh ? 472787;1391276099;ThickAsThieves;“It's the possibility of having a dream come true that makes life interesting.” 472788;1391276136;ThickAsThieves;yeah, lotsa catholic stuff 472789;1391276149;ThickAsThieves;Footprints, etc 472790;1391276172;mircea_popescu;yeah. soft catholic, not the anti-abortion rabble-rabble types 472791;1391276185;mircea_popescu;just... zacharine 70s b movies sort. 472792;1391276199;ThickAsThieves;http://www.emblibrary.com/EL/product_images/A2296.jpg 472793;1391276232;ThickAsThieves;i like that domain name, cute 472794;1391276233;mircea_popescu;wow. such deep. 472795;1391276237;mircea_popescu;many footprint. 472796;1391276472;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04800787 = 0.144 BTC [-] 472797;1391276777;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.175 BTC [+] 472798;1391276960;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.17 = 1.7 BTC [-] 472799;1391277387;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.175 BTC [+] 472800;1391277875;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.24310363 = 3.8897 BTC 472801;1391277936;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.00292 = 0.2774 BTC [-] 472802;1391278729;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 45359 @ 0.00009781 = 4.4366 BTC [+] {10} 472803;1391278825;asciilifeform;so casascius is alive. 472804;1391278853;asciilifeform;therefore, recipe: QT9701B or newer (Quantum Research Ltd.) 472805;1391278877;asciilifeform;charge-transfer capacitance sensor (femtofarad!) 472806;1391278893;asciilifeform;then, do the obvious (or do i have to draw a picture.) 472807;1391278932;asciilifeform;the experiment's result, especially if positive, will be highly educational. 472808;1391278992;asciilifeform;(there's gotta be somebody here with a set of balls /and/ free time both...) 472809;1391279217;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 100 @ 0.005 = 0.5 BTC 472810;1391279400;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 410 @ 0.00448494 = 1.8388 BTC [+] {3} 472811;1391279522;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19412 @ 0.00009889 = 1.9197 BTC [+] {6} 472812;1391279609;asciilifeform;http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/31/footage-released-guardian-editors-snowden-hard-drives-gchq 472813;1391279645;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9841 @ 0.00010635 = 1.0466 BTC [+] {13} 472814;1391279920;Duffer1;ya you teach those files a lesson 472815;1391279933;Duffer1;that surely fixed the leak 472816;1391280397;Duffer1;oh wow so they just blatantly threatened to shut down the guardian.. 472817;1391280442;asciilifeform;Duffer1: if you believe the words coming out of the mouthpiece wholesale, then sure 472818;1391280483;asciilifeform;more likely they threatened a pederasty conviction or somesuch for someone relevant 472819;1391280498;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00540444 = 0.2702 BTC [-] {6} 472820;1391280529;Duffer1;oh i just read: "Asked if Downing Street really intended to close down the Guardian if it did not comply, Robbins confirmed: "I'm saying this." 472821;1391280559;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 472822;1391280576;asciilifeform;it isn't like you and i were there and heard what was said. 472823;1391280590;asciilifeform;all we have is the article 472824;1391280602;asciilifeform;no reason to suppose it wasn't dictated. 472825;1391280703;asciilifeform;(one of the purposes of 'totalitarian surveillance' is, when they whisper: 'newspaper magnates can also have problems' and he asks 'how', there will be a relevant and persuasive answer.) 472826;1391280768;asciilifeform;'cooperate like a gentleman or you'll rape someone in sweden tonight.' 472827;1391280899;jurov;yes, govt agent are infinitely cunning or incredibly stupid...whichever befits the conspiration theoris 472828;1391280901;jurov;*theorist 472829;1391280907;asciilifeform;these folks have been learning the fine art of human-to-mupper conversion for more than half a century. 472830;1391280911;asciilifeform;*muppet 472831;1391281007;asciilifeform;no special cunning required. just an unbounded willingness to use violence - 'soft violence' of disinformation on the rubes, the 'hard' variety for people who matter 472832;1391281206;mircea_popescu;ah ifonly it were that simple 472833;1391281217;mircea_popescu;what wunderking of a state would caesar have run 472834;1391281332;asciilifeform;caesar + mass broadcasting would've been a marvel. 472835;1391281372;asciilifeform;but worlds with mass chumpcasting don't produce caesars. 472836;1391281448;mircea_popescu;so then no + 472837;1391281558;mircea_popescu;"A lot of people in government think you should be closed down." 472838;1391281564;mircea_popescu;derp you know, as if that ever was different 472839;1391281578;mircea_popescu;tbh sounds morel ike guardian vying to retain relevance than anything 472840;1391281592;mircea_popescu;fact is, they failed to publish. who needs a sob story ? 472841;1391281631;ThickAsThieves;okay i will need a lil help with the Altcoin source 472842;1391281647;ThickAsThieves;he's getting it, but says we'll need to sort something about the genesis block 472843;1391281662;ThickAsThieves;[14:03] the only issue is the genesis block is like timestamped or so to make them all unique 472844;1391281662;ThickAsThieves;[14:04] so you'd need to figure out the genesis block, but other than that it would be the same 472845;1391281672;ThickAsThieves;[14:05] you could dump the genesis block via rpc, I think 472846;1391281696;mircea_popescu;well and he doesn't know the timestamp ? 472847;1391281715;mircea_popescu;anyway, yeah, you can have altcoind dump any arbitrary block 472848;1391281718;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60999996 BTC [+] 472849;1391281754;ThickAsThieves;he doesnt know the timestamp 472850;1391281764;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform : "Two GCHQ technical experts "Ian" and "Chris" recorded the process on their iPhones. " <<< law enforceement never fails to unintentionally entertain part 5487649587695 472851;1391281786;mircea_popescu;well point out to the guy it might not be the worst of ideas to store that at creation just as a convenience. 472852;1391281840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40150 @ 0.00091397 = 36.6959 BTC [+] {5} 472853;1391281879;ThickAsThieves;sounds like he's sold coingen.io or something 472854;1391281888;ThickAsThieves;it's "in transition" 472855;1391281902;mircea_popescu;o 472856;1391282023;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.17 = 1.36 BTC [-] 472857;1391282343;pankkake;maybe a coingen.io providing an exchange and bootstrap nodes could work better 472858;1391282372;pankkake;but that would not hide the fact that it was generated, though… 472859;1391282404;pankkake;(the endgame being destroying altcoins by flooding the market) 472860;1391282413;ThickAsThieves;"Coding bootcamps are scrambling to figure out how they can save their programs" 472861;1391282433;ThickAsThieves;lol 472862;1391282633;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04999596 = 0.2 BTC [+] 472863;1391283073;mircea_popescu;"With zero premine... I'm not criticising, just wondering how you can pay bounties?" see, you're doing it right already. 472864;1391283125;pankkake;haha, that bounty thing 472865;1391283133;pankkake;kinda like paying contractors with shares, I think 472866;1391283140;mircea_popescu;i love how he's taking the entire absurdist angle up to 11 472867;1391283157;mircea_popescu;pagefuls of retarded quotes and shit. so much win this. 472868;1391283157;pankkake;"I can't pay you, but would you like some shares of my facebook for dogs website?" 472869;1391283184;mircea_popescu;pankkake it's a step up from designerhell's commonplace "i can't pay you but you should do it for fun anyway". 472870;1391283214;pankkake;I've read a designer blog or something, yeah… I don't envy them 472871;1391283221;mircea_popescu;http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p2.html 472872;1391283222;ozbot;"It's like twitter. Except we charge people to use it." 472873;1391283266;pankkake;well, actually, app.net did it. 472874;1391283281;pankkake;it got momentary hype and is probably dead now 472875;1391283700;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/all-you-may-ever-need-to-know-of-financial-planning/ 472876;1391283701;ozbot;All you may ever need to know of financial planning pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 472877;1391284324;ThickAsThieves;so Kelly = Jesus ? 472878;1391284409;mircea_popescu;nah, just some bell labs fellow 472879;1391284474;mircea_popescu;pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4879408#msg4879408 << give the kid some atcs too eh. 472880;1391284533;pankkake;? 472881;1391284575;mircea_popescu;he's the one photochopping the altcoin into whatever altcoin site screencap 472882;1391284608;mircea_popescu;ima give him a bitcent, cause you gotta encourage kids. give him some altcoin too neh ? 472883;1391284621;pankkake;oh, of course 472884;1391284830;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.175 BTC [+] 472885;1391285073;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.028 = 0.364 BTC [-] 472886;1391285195;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 24 @ 0.00448505 = 0.1076 BTC [+] 472887;1391285559;kakobrekla;are we gonna se altcoin options on mpex 472888;1391285580;kakobrekla;see 472889;1391285744;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 472890;1391285816;mircea_popescu;options no, but futures perhaps. 472891;1391285825;mircea_popescu;if a major player in some alt gets his shit together. 472892;1391285838;kakobrekla;he said some alt. 472893;1391286079;mircea_popescu;wait so ? 472894;1391286226;mircea_popescu;s.mpoe statement rectified (~5.4 extra btc expenses on mpex sheet) 472895;1391286298;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4879803#msg4879803 472896;1391286300;ozbot;[NEW] The REAL Altcoin 472897;1391286302;mircea_popescu;dude this thread is so much fun 472898;1391286363;mircea_popescu;who knew all it took was not premining. certainly all the 5464598769485 derps in the subforum there hadn't figured it out, their premine is like their holy grail 472899;1391286390;mircea_popescu;clearly satoshi had done that wrong, and clearly they be fixin' it. 472900;1391286471;kakobrekla;there is no 'some alt' 472901;1391286474;kakobrekla;just the alt 472902;1391286476;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 472903;1391286496;mircea_popescu;omg come see the violence inherent in the system 472904;1391286500;mircea_popescu;you see him repressing me ? 472905;1391286504;mircea_popescu;you saw him didn't you! 472906;1391286539;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOTKA0aGI0 472907;1391286540;ozbot;Dennis The Constitutional Peasant - YouTube 472908;1391286659;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [+] 472909;1391286798;kakobrekla;lol 472910;1391286964;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1499 BTC [+] 472911;1391286965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00091087 = 17.1244 BTC [-] {2} 472912;1391286966;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00579426 = 0.1333 BTC [+] {5} 472913;1391287147;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 472914;1391287446;mircea_popescu;"Everyone that is saying that I have some kind of gambling addiction is a douche and they can go and die in hell. I have never had and I will never had a fucking gambling problem." 472915;1391287449;mircea_popescu;sounds convincing. 472916;1391287753;mircea_popescu;lmao "galtcoin", libertyblabla, scrypt, only 1k coins (20 blocks) premined for "testing" 472917;1391287768;mircea_popescu;2nd post ? ""blocks" : 13158,". premined to all hell. 472918;1391287784;mircea_popescu;pumper answer ? "o we had an [unannounced] open beta" but srsly, we don't mean to do any harm" 472919;1391287804;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441403.msg4850402#msg4850402 472920;1391287806;ozbot;[ANN]GaltCoin - Full Release 472921;1391287829;mircea_popescu;back to the age old "speculator's fault! i swear!" 472922;1391288057;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4866879#msg4866879 << he has a point btw. prolly best chase down the new owners of coingen and nail them to a wall. 472923;1391288123;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 42 @ 0.00310008 = 0.1302 BTC [-] 472924;1391288124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00090855 = 17.8076 BTC [-] 472925;1391288155;ThickAsThieves;shhh http://therealaltcoin.org 472926;1391288184;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 472927;1391288263;mircea_popescu;btw, get bluematt to take off w/e links/watermarks/anything nao. 472928;1391288298;ThickAsThieves;thats partly why i want the source 472929;1391288305;ThickAsThieves;to bounty people to clean it 472930;1391288325;mircea_popescu;i think he does it for like 100 bux, prolly cheapest. 472931;1391288346;ThickAsThieves;oh thats an option too? 472932;1391288353;mircea_popescu;afaik, nae. 472933;1391288358;ThickAsThieves;paying attention as a new CEO, not easy 472934;1391288428;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.028 = 0.112 BTC [-] 472935;1391288481;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=444169.0 472936;1391288483;ozbot;[BaLBOND] - Pre IPO - Bitcoin's Only Exchangeable Bond 472937;1391288497;ThickAsThieves;BEXBOND 472938;1391288548;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/429721375452848128 472939;1391288549;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Hey @dogecoin, prepare to eat ... 472940;1391288672;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 189 @ 0.00447956 = 0.8466 BTC [-] {4} 472941;1391288716;mircea_popescu;btw, if you want to know who we're pissing in the ear of, it's this kid : https://twitter.com/jacksonpalmer 472942;1391288734;mircea_popescu;and it doesn't seem he has much dough left, either. 472943;1391288771;mircea_popescu;adobe fuckwit. 472944;1391288773;ThickAsThieves;he made dogecoin, or? 472945;1391288788;ThickAsThieves;i will use adobe to slay him! 472946;1391288794;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 49865 @ 0.00011199 = 5.5844 BTC [+] 472947;1391288795;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1749 BTC [-] 472948;1391288855;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.175 BTC [+] 472949;1391288868;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4880796#msg4880796 < 472950;1391288868;assbot;123! 472951;1391288869;ozbot;[NEW] The REAL Altcoin 472952;1391288941;ThickAsThieves;You see this Goat ad in the forum? 472953;1391288964;ThickAsThieves;just text that says "Goat says: "Bitcoin is NOT Illegal in Thailand. There is no law against Bitcoin in Thailand!"" 472954;1391288970;mircea_popescu;kik 472955;1391288980;mircea_popescu;good for him. 472956;1391288999;mircea_popescu;thermos is now taking goat's coin ? how much difference does a year make when you're 25, i swear. 472957;1391289081;ThickAsThieves;http://therealaltcoin.org/Altcoininati.jpg 472958;1391289099;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.0280909 = 0.309 BTC [+] {3} 472959;1391289101;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 472960;1391289102;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 90 @ 0.0028 = 0.252 BTC [-] 472961;1391289126;kakobrekla;you need a blockchain reader 472962;1391289131;kakobrekla;and dice 472963;1391289133;kakobrekla;and faucet 472964;1391289149;pizzaman1337;and mpex for altcoin 472965;1391289168;kakobrekla;ThickAsThieves why not niggers.jpg 472966;1391289182;ThickAsThieves;altcoin will get exactly what it needs at exactly the right moment 472967;1391289219;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: the 'rogue' in your latest post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rog-O-Matic 472968;1391289226;asciilifeform;http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~appel/papers/rogomatic.html 472969;1391289226;ozbot;ROG-O-MATIC: A Belligerent Expert System 472970;1391289229;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=437950.0;all << this is fucking retarded in typical manner. 472971;1391289231;ozbot;[CGA] Cryptographic Anomaly - Rarest Coin EVER - RELEASED!! 472972;1391289234;mircea_popescu;jesus my brain is melting. 472973;1391289250;asciilifeform;when do we get 'EGA'? 'VGA' ? coins 472974;1391289271;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that was afaik the best thing ai experts ever came up with. 472975;1391289282;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00091382 = 8.9554 BTC [+] 472976;1391289310;mircea_popescu;anyway, cga stands for anomaly w/e the fuck. the guy's idea is that the block reward for solved blocks is 0 unless some extended-modulo conditions of difficulty are met. 472977;1391289325;mircea_popescu;which he intended to make simple more-power equations unreliable 472978;1391289334;mircea_popescu;but which in fact simply make solo mining even less feasible. 472979;1391289343;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.175 BTC [+] 472980;1391289345;mircea_popescu;typical "we will fix this" government approach resulting in shooting own foot 472981;1391289449;jurov;kakobrekla: pm 472982;1391289465;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 150 @ 0.00262032 = 0.393 BTC [-] {8} 472983;1391289636;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'Eurisko' was pretty good, despite the fact that the author 'turned scammer' afterward. 472984;1391289684;mircea_popescu;i dunno that one. 472985;1391289702;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he never published the source, but i dug up a good bit of it via FOIA requests. 472986;1391289712;mircea_popescu;"You really are a fucking idiot and have no idea what you are talking about. The project I am working on will be more successful than twitter within a year. When I sell the project for 40 million dollars I will ignore any emails from you begging to be a part of it and will send you a postcard from my yaght." 472987;1391289715;asciilifeform;(Lenat was 100% usg-funded) 472988;1391289748;mircea_popescu;aha. 472989;1391289758;mircea_popescu;well it just goes to show i don't realy master that space :) 472990;1391289775;mircea_popescu;wait. 472991;1391289780;asciilifeform;me, i was never master, only an armchair archaeologiest. 472992;1391289789;mircea_popescu;is this the expert system that blew the usnavy staff outof water ? 472993;1391289797;asciilifeform;the very same. 472994;1391289800;mircea_popescu;ah! 472995;1391289822;asciilifeform;he had it play 'traveller,' a (now very ancient) space-war sim 472996;1391289833;asciilifeform;and won so thoroughly that he was banned from the tourneys 472997;1391289861;mircea_popescu;tho to be honest... it's success had more to do with bureaucratic idiocy 472998;1391289883;mircea_popescu;(kind of the reason nobody seriously believes the us has any real chance in any serious military confrontation) 472999;1391289909;asciilifeform;actually the u.s. navy lusing is more to do with the invention of the modern anti-ship rocket 473000;1391289929;mircea_popescu;it strictly won by exploiting badly written rules, neh ? 473001;1391289932;asciilifeform;(any naval battle with something other than muppet state should be expected to include such rockets) 473002;1391289940;mircea_popescu;a you meant in practice. 473003;1391289968;mircea_popescu;it wouldn't even have to go that far. just, you know... england beat spain into the dirt by using privateers. 473004;1391289987;mircea_popescu;spain at the time was roughly the us of today : immense empire run by idiots, access to all the gold in the world that did them no service etc etc. 473005;1391289997;asciilifeform;http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=14095 473006;1391290003;asciilifeform;(brief summary) 473007;1391290014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00090853 = 15.1725 BTC [-] {2} 473008;1391290078;asciilifeform;personal crackpottery: 473009;1391290086;asciilifeform;dollars to doughnuts that lenat did not write eurisko. 473010;1391290090;asciilifeform;a student or other subordinate did 473011;1391290112;asciilifeform;because the thing he did for the next 25 years was a ridiculous and worthless usg boondoggle 473012;1391290125;mircea_popescu;actually, if there's any merit in the theory of history repeating itself, we could guess that the largest bubble for the next ~3 centuries will be the result of a RoB corporation being granted the priviledge to trade one ships' worth of drugs in the us as a result of a defeatr of the us in battle. 473013;1391290152;mircea_popescu;hm... that's possible. the alternate crackpottery, of course, being that his actual work is still classified 473014;1391290158;mircea_popescu;and a student did the boondoggle. 473015;1391290173;pizzaman1337;mpex seriously made 1`830 BTC from new accounts in Jan? insane 473016;1391290176;mircea_popescu;perhaps a very tall, slender student perfectly capable to suck a golfball through a garden hose. 473017;1391290200;mircea_popescu;pizzaman1337 you know! nobody goes "mercedes srsly sold 50 cars in 2014 ?! ?!?!" 473018;1391290210;asciilifeform;all of this quite possible. u.s. reportedly had some very spiffy logistics code in gulf war I. 473019;1391290282;mircea_popescu;it's best showing on the battlefiled for a long... long time. 473020;1391290311;pizzaman1337;mircea_popescu: well, nice work. It's just hard to believe, I suppose. 473021;1391290362;asciilifeform;re: mpex performance and outraged lusers: there was an article, many years ago, discussing an overheard: 'is that a real program, or is that something somebody wrote' 473022;1391290394;pizzaman1337;;;ticker --market bitstamp 473023;1391290395;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 822.57, Best ask: 822.91, Bid-ask spread: 0.34000, Last trade: 822.91, 24 hour volume: 7141.70092059, 24 hour low: 800.76, 24 hour high: 827.38, 24 hour vwap: 814.575137306 473024;1391290399;asciilifeform;the uninitiated tend to group mpex as 'something somebody wrote' 473025;1391290405;asciilifeform;while mercedes as 'a real program' 473026;1391290411;pizzaman1337;;;calc 822.57 * 1800.90483924 473027;1391290412;gribble;1481370.29361 473028;1391290413;asciilifeform;and their brains hurt 473029;1391290484;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this more or less reduces to your old observation that 'your dog thinks that you are an exceptionally large dog of the same type' 473030;1391290577;asciilifeform;http://everything2.com/title/EURISKO 473031;1391290578;ozbot;EURISKO - Everything2.com 473032;1391290705;mircea_popescu;something like that 473033;1391290764;mircea_popescu;pankkake incidentally, what's diff at ? 473034;1391290849;pankkake;4096 473035;1391290863;mircea_popescu;.d 473036;1391290864;ozbot;2193847870.17428 | Next Diff in 610 blocks | Estimated Change: 17.0561% in 3d 12h 14m 55s 473037;1391290870;mircea_popescu;meh 473038;1391290885;pizzaman1337;it'll catch up 473039;1391290894;mircea_popescu;283645 473040;1391290895;pankkake;that's not going to help me win the diff under 10% bet :( 473041;1391290920;mircea_popescu;it actually might keep it going to 285k 473042;1391290965;mircea_popescu;actually... perversely enough that bet depends on there not being a lot of power thrown in early. 473043;1391290990;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 184 @ 0.00084476 = 0.1554 BTC [-] 473044;1391291295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3473 @ 0.00091473 = 3.1769 BTC [+] 473045;1391291356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116527 @ 0.00091598 = 106.7364 BTC [+] {7} 473046;1391291417;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00574505 = 0.1034 BTC [-] {3} 473047;1391291600;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00549423 = 0.2198 BTC [-] {3} 473048;1391292149;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1749 BTC [-] 473049;1391292515;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10233 @ 0.00090918 = 9.3036 BTC [-] 473050;1391292881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85000 @ 0.00092071 = 78.2604 BTC [+] {5} 473051;1391293077;deadweasel;pankkake: start pumping out altcoins like TAT, maybe you'll pull some off btc ;) 473052;1391293817;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-an-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-folowers-for-fun-and-profit/ 473053;1391293825;mircea_popescu;i thought they were pumping it together. 473054;1391294393;jurov;no xenu. bot good. 473055;1391294397;jurov;*but 473056;1391294440;mircea_popescu;hello sir 473057;1391294448;mircea_popescu;we here at mp house all halal, no xenu at all. 473058;1391294459;decimation;TAT's altcoin should be ported to work inside Ethereum 473059;1391294469;decimation;maybe you can trade altcoin for ethers or whatever 473060;1391294488;mircea_popescu;does that actually require any chances on the coin side ? 473061;1391294492;mircea_popescu;ethereum can just do it neh ? 473062;1391294521;jurov;i vote for porting bernankoin 473063;1391294590;decimation;right, Ethereum just does whatever, because it's turing complete. 473064;1391294650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6067 @ 0.00091685 = 5.5625 BTC [-] 473065;1391294776;ThickAsThieves;[17:41] by your definition that makes Altcoin just as purposeless though, right? 473066;1391294776;ThickAsThieves;[17:44] Wrong, i just stated its purpose. Without Altcoin, all altcoins would be purposeless. 473067;1391294800;deadweasel;and the circle of life goes on. 473068;1391294807;deadweasel;circle-jerk* 473069;1391294852;mircea_popescu;my magical future predictive ai (whose name is joan) fails to predict any possible alternative to this thing taking over altspace. 473070;1391294861;mircea_popescu;it's just too stupid for anything else. 473071;1391294876;Namworld;Wait, in the header. What's the name on the board. It ends with O. 473072;1391294899;mircea_popescu;Namworld some localised monopoly. 473073;1391294916;Namworld;Looks like it's written "Monopolio". Is that it? 473074;1391294923;mircea_popescu;i think so 473075;1391294928;mircea_popescu;spanish or italian or some shit 473076;1391294948;Namworld;Weird 473077;1391294989;Namworld;Couldn't they have just changed the y for an i? Monopoli 473078;1391295007;Namworld;Would have sounded about the same as in english that way. 473079;1391295024;mircea_popescu;i suppose when people localise shit how it sounds in english is not a consideration. 473080;1391295093;nubbins`;netduino 473081;1391295199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55000 @ 0.00095705 = 52.6378 BTC [+] {4} 473082;1391295221;nubbins`;as an aside, i find "scammor" to be a pleasant, if unintentional, spelling 473083;1391295239;mircea_popescu;no, it was intentional. 473084;1391295248;nubbins`;even more pleasant, then 473085;1391295259;mircea_popescu;hacker - haxxor 473086;1391295264;pankkake;is that glamor+scammer? 473087;1391295275;nubbins`;brings me back to a heated grade-school argument over "better" vs "bettor" to describe one who bets 473088;1391295284;mircea_popescu;scammer - scammor. to distinguish between the fucktard and the person sort-of doing it, technically, but with coolness excuses. 473089;1391295336;pankkake;so when you get scammed, you can say "at least the guy was good" 473090;1391295351;mircea_popescu;pankkake ever been with a hooker ? 473091;1391295355;nubbins`;hookor 473092;1391295358;mircea_popescu;lol 473093;1391295360;pankkake;no 473094;1391295361;mircea_popescu;koh-i-noor 473095;1391295364;nubbins`;haha 473096;1391295371;mircea_popescu;well, my next question was, ever been with a hooker you didn't mind paying. 473097;1391295373;nubbins`;AMAZING PENS 473098;1391295401;nubbins`;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koh-i-Noor_Hardtmuth 473099;1391295412;mircea_popescu;yup. i ate a lot of those. 473100;1391295449;nubbins`;they're popular with screenprinters who do things the old-school way (ink on vellum) 473101;1391295525;mircea_popescu;some scams are fun. you go to vegas and drop a coupla grand, whatever, it's an amusement park. 473102;1391295562;nubbins`;i think most people doing that don't have fun 473103;1391295572;pankkake;I'm too much of a scrooge to ever pay for those things 473104;1391295585;mircea_popescu;how are the girls supposed to live if you don't pay ? 473105;1391295597;nubbins`;scrooge de canard 473106;1391295600;mircea_popescu;lol 473107;1391295602;mircea_popescu;du 473108;1391295607;nubbins`;right! 473109;1391295617;nubbins`;it's always the small words that give me trouble 473110;1391295644;mircea_popescu;scrooge enchaine du canard nue 473111;1391295658;mircea_popescu;this could actually be a club. 473112;1391295673;pankkake;neither of you make sense 473113;1391295673;nubbins`;heh 473114;1391295698;nubbins`;what, we can't just pick random mots and use them dans a phrase?! 473115;1391295707;mircea_popescu;they be not random! 473116;1391295712;mircea_popescu;enchain, there. happy ? 473117;1391295720;mircea_popescu;fucking accents and special chars all the time. 473118;1391295724;nubbins`;^ this 473119;1391295729;pankkake;maybe it's my throbbing headache 473120;1391295736;lippoper;.bait is offline? :-( 473121;1391295752;pankkake;cricital infrastructure down! 473122;1391295756;nubbins`;written accents indicate a massive failure 473123;1391295756;mircea_popescu;let's reconstruct this! lmao. 473124;1391295761;pankkake;yet no one noticed gribble being offline for a few hours 473125;1391295771;lippoper;lol 473126;1391295776;nubbins`;tbh i was waiting for an AMAZING COMPANY! earlier 473127;1391295791;nubbins`;wait, isn't that assbot? 473128;1391295793;lippoper;Can't go fishing without bait 473129;1391295809;kakobrekla;maybe assbot is not mac compatible 473130;1391295820;kakobrekla;i dunno 473131;1391295824;nubbins`;yeah, maybe ;p 473132;1391295828;pankkake;assbot is case sensitive 473133;1391295829;lippoper;assbot needs to start producing some ass bait 473134;1391295830;pankkake;amazing 473135;1391295830;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 473136;1391295835;nubbins`;amazIng 473137;1391295835;pankkake;AMAZiNG 473138;1391295839;nubbins`;huh. 473139;1391295842;nubbins`;well then 473140;1391295847;kakobrekla;is it really? 473141;1391295849;kakobrekla;AMAZING 473142;1391295851;lippoper;World's finest! 473143;1391295858;kakobrekla;it is. 473144;1391295862;nubbins`;http://mentalunlockdown.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/The-more-you-know.png 473145;1391295871;pankkake;I was expecting you to troll us, kakobrekla 473146;1391295875;pankkake;I am disappoint 473147;1391295881;kakobrekla;myea 473148;1391295893;pankkake;http://i.imgur.com/OgXjrGQ.png that timing was amazing though 473149;1391295893;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 473150;1391295898;kakobrekla;but you expected it , so it wouldnt be fun 473151;1391295910;nubbins`;separated at birth 473152;1391295919;nubbins`;(by several thousand miles) 473153;1391295926;kakobrekla;lol 473154;1391295926;nubbins`;(and probably several years) 473155;1391295930;pankkake;XORed at birth 473156;1391295949;nubbins`;"do you want a vag birth or a c-section?" 473157;1391295951;nubbins`;"yes, please" 473158;1391295977;nubbins`;did i mention earlier about that gut flora article i was reading? 473159;1391295999;mircea_popescu;yes you did. 473160;1391296020;nubbins`;interesting stuff 473161;1391296021;lippoper;yes no need to bring it up 473162;1391296041;nubbins`;the take-away i got from it is that you should smear shit on your newborn if you Aliened it into the world 473163;1391296060;nubbins`;and no, before you ask, i'm not a doctor 473164;1391296065;pankkake;just eat on the floor 473165;1391296068;mircea_popescu;kinda why pre-birth enemas went out of fashion 473166;1391296087;nubbins`;wow, before my time, i gues 473167;1391296097;nubbins`;altho TBF even if it wasn't, would i have known? 473168;1391296098;mircea_popescu;they did it all the way to the ww2. 473169;1391296100;lippoper;Women stiil had bush 473170;1391296128;mircea_popescu;specifically to avoid the female "shit on your baby" reflex. 473171;1391296132;nubbins`;now the child is immediately dipped in Purell hand sanitizer 473172;1391296144;lippoper;No one really knew what a vag looked like thanks to all the bush 473173;1391296161;nubbins`;only the men who earned their wings knew, you mean 473174;1391296244;nubbins`;pankkake, is that a monospace font? 473175;1391296246;lippoper;there was a lot of troll in the last sentence 473176;1391296249;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4883001#msg4883001 473177;1391296257;mircea_popescu;gotta love all the noob posters hardcoring tat. 473178;1391296261;pankkake;yes. Droid Sans Mono 473179;1391296266;nubbins`;:( 473180;1391296268;mircea_popescu;i tell you, i've had so much fun with this thread these days... 473181;1391296289;lewicki;WTB Altcoins 473182;1391296316;nubbins`;"Did I do the math wrong or is this really larger than all other altcoins atm?" 473183;1391296316;mircea_popescu;pankkake has some. 473184;1391296317;nubbins`;HAHAHAHAHA 473185;1391296331;pankkake;I'm not selling! 473186;1391296357;mircea_popescu;why not ? 473187;1391296358;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56001101 BTC [-] 473188;1391296375;nubbins`;to the ceiling! 473189;1391296383;pankkake;lol 473190;1391296412;pankkake;I'm going to convince my dentist to accept it instead 473191;1391296459;nubbins`;i'm going to convince tat that he needs t-shirts for all 473192;1391296480;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-] 473193;1391296492;jurov;pankkake: tellhim to add liquuidity to teeht/altcoin market 473194;1391296501;jurov;*teeth 473195;1391296503;jurov;derp 473196;1391296531;pankkake;I will have a used crown soon 473197;1391296538;lewicki;So, no Altcoins for sale? 473198;1391296552;jurov;i have altcoin futures 473199;1391296557;jurov;with bitcoin delivery 473200;1391296566;mircea_popescu;lewicki apparently the miners don't wanna sell yet. 473201;1391296640;Vexual;price is 0.0004 per each 473202;1391296664;pankkake;> poneytelecom.eu 473203;1391296671;mircea_popescu;ya srsly wtf. 473204;1391296676;mircea_popescu;Vexual get on a horse man. 473205;1391296687;pankkake;haha, that's the Free.fr guys, I knew I saw it earlier 473206;1391296706;lewicki;that 100k marketcap, yeah, nty 473207;1391296725;mircea_popescu;lewicki let the diff stabilize some first anyway. 473208;1391296728;mircea_popescu;shoot in the dark at this point 473209;1391296748;pankkake;I can't find any new block… 473210;1391296754;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/748/altcoin-diff-to-be-power-of-four/ << you gotta be kidding me, that's like... how many dogecoins total bet ? 473211;1391296785;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 473212;1391296807;Vexual;0.0004 is just south of 1% 473213;1391296846;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1299 BTC [-] 473214;1391296930;mircea_popescu;Vexual how many atcs do you have anyway 473215;1391296936;Vexual;8 blocks 473216;1391296943;mircea_popescu;that's wat, 400 ? 473217;1391296947;mircea_popescu;or did it halve already 473218;1391296959;Vexual;4000 473219;1391296966;nubbins`;nice 473220;1391296981;nubbins`;there's your xmas shopping done 473221;1391296987;mircea_popescu;lol 473222;1391296989;pankkake;halvings seem very far 473223;1391296993;Vexual;ima buy me a arcehorse 473224;1391297001;mircea_popescu;archerhorse ? wow. 473225;1391297006;nubbins`;call him 'stable' 473226;1391297009;nubbins`;D; 473227;1391297019;Vexual;i like it 473228;1391297024;nubbins`;then release him 473229;1391297034;mircea_popescu;pankkake what's it at, 30k blocks ? 473230;1391297045;Vexual;13k 473231;1391297058;mircea_popescu;well... if diff is 4k it cant be 13k can it ? 473232;1391297058;pankkake;262144 473233;1391297064;mircea_popescu;each retarget is 2k 473234;1391297107;mircea_popescu;262k wtf ?! 473235;1391297124;pankkake;yay got 0.00000122 BTC shilling for bitbet 473236;1391297143;mircea_popescu;like a whole altcoin. 473237;1391297151;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00090614 = 17.3526 BTC [-] 473238;1391297155;pankkake;not even a doge :( 473239;1391297168;mircea_popescu;is a doge over 100 nao? 473240;1391297175;ThickAsThieves;i chose the stats by multiplying 512, and the doing 515 ^ 512 473241;1391297186;ThickAsThieves;[18:22] there's your xmas shopping done <<< lol 473242;1391297225;ThickAsThieves;512 is the altcoininati number for infinity 473243;1391297248;ThickAsThieves;if you overlap the 5 and the 2 then use the 1 as the connector 473244;1391297251;ThickAsThieves;do you SEE it? 473245;1391297258;Vexual;shit, 8 473246;1391297268;Vexual;infinity upended 473247;1391297305;mircea_popescu;come to think about it, vexual should be altcoin mascot. 473248;1391297323;mircea_popescu;he's like naturally coelho-ish 473249;1391297374;Vexual;im busy printing privatekeys under bottlecaps for stripclubs 473250;1391297395;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 473251;1391297396;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-] 473252;1391297466;jurov;vexual what are patrons to do with the caps, again? 473253;1391297501;mircea_popescu;gotta keep busy somehow 473254;1391297516;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47417.msg4883114#msg4883114 "Can we PLEASE stop supporting cgminer as the mining solution" 473255;1391297609;Vexual;jurov you let the lass who takes the wire off the bottle keep it 473256;1391297664;jurov;yes? i thought it's supposed to be put onto striper's body somehow 473257;1391297674;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=402667.0 473258;1391297680;mircea_popescu;dude the effort these people put into it. 473259;1391297700;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1000 @ 0.00540228 = 5.4023 BTC [-] {17} 473260;1391297761;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00043014 = 0.4301 BTC [-] {4} 473261;1391297822;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 249 @ 0.00042418 = 0.1056 BTC [-] {3} 473262;1391297823;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 473263;1391297827;ThickAsThieves;very logos 473264;1391297869;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/C3hxESa.png 473265;1391297874;mircea_popescu;check out that crazy shit 473266;1391297883;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-] 473267;1391297944;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9945 @ 0.00091541 = 9.1038 BTC [+] 473268;1391298005;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-] 473269;1391298066;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 473270;1391298188;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04800001 = 0.192 BTC [-] {3} 473271;1391298189;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.173 = 0.346 BTC [+] {2} 473272;1391298190;mircea_popescu;Just for the record: Approximate price for 1 ALT should be 0.00000549 BTC or 0.0002 LTC or 0.44 cents. 473273;1391298190;mircea_popescu;(Hashrate is 8900x lower than BTC but in addition to that the reward is also 20.48x higher than BTC.) 473274;1391298192;mircea_popescu;gotta love this logic. 473275;1391298216;Vexual;but when it is the only alt? 473276;1391298249;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 473277;1391298310;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 473278;1391298326;Vexual;which it is 473279;1391298371;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1199 BTC [-] 473280;1391298419;Vexual;so theres around 1.2 blocks to the block 473281;1391298493;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 473282;1391298532;mircea_popescu;"My estimate yields market cap 37.5 BTC." 473283;1391298542;mircea_popescu;herp. 473284;1391298676;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 350 @ 0.00042001 = 0.147 BTC [-] {3} 473285;1391298678;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.1745 = 0.349 BTC [+] {2} 473286;1391298715;Namworld;37.5 BTC market cap? Amazing! 473287;1391298737;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 341 @ 0.00082731 = 0.2821 BTC [-] {2} 473288;1391298778;ThickAsThieves;Value-added! 473289;1391298798;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 148 @ 0.00082555 = 0.1222 BTC [-] 473290;1391298799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00090884 = 8.4522 BTC [-] 473291;1391298837;deadweasel;when does it get listed on cryptsy? that's when the others start to die 473292;1391298852;deadweasel;all flow into 20.48x reward! 473293;1391298859;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.175 = 0.35 BTC [+] 473294;1391298920;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 352 @ 0.00082555 = 0.2906 BTC [-] 473295;1391298971;ThickAsThieves;http://imgur.com/r/Bitcoin/kqrYBFI 473296;1391298981;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.175 = 0.35 BTC [+] 473297;1391298984;pankkake;wat 473298;1391298988;Namworld;Even Facebook is showing me ads for gold and silver coins. 473299;1391299016;Vexual;that cuban took krss lady 473300;1391299035;mircea_popescu;that's the worst looking crack whore i ever saw. 473301;1391299039;kleeck;Wasn't that a confirmed paid prostitute? 473302;1391299049;Vexual;6 confirmations 473303;1391299049;kleeck;lol 473304;1391299053;kleeck;Of course. 473305;1391299061;mircea_popescu;don't even want to think about what her skin looked like 473306;1391299064;kleeck;She wasn't getting through the gate with less than 6. 473307;1391299092;mircea_popescu;poor woman. 473308;1391299098;kleeck;What a great way to legitimize Bitcoin! 473309;1391299100;Namworld;Have you ever had so much crack you turned golden from the sheer intake of value into your body? 473310;1391299116;kleeck;Yes. That was a good year... 473311;1391299127;mircea_popescu;no, but i've seen girls with spots so bad painting them with a wide brush was the only way. 473312;1391299195;mircea_popescu;o look who's back. when did you get out ? 473313;1391299225;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-] 473314;1391299264;deadweasel;that guy can't get farther from her. 473315;1391299286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 473316;1391299291;deadweasel;who is that fool? 473317;1391299298;Vexual;goldfinger 473318;1391299347;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-] 473319;1391299378;kleeck;:) 473320;1391299392;kleeck;Good evening to you as well, mircea_popescu. :D 473321;1391299408;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-] 473322;1391299459;kleeck;Been away for a bit, wanted to focus on my new job for a while. Settled in now so I can bullshit with you guys. 473323;1391299515;ThickAsThieves;kleeck is smidge, or ? 473324;1391299530;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC {2} 473325;1391299591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 955 @ 0.00091541 = 0.8742 BTC [+] 473326;1391299634;kleeck;LOL 473327;1391299641;kleeck;ThickAsThieves, round 2? 473328;1391299652;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-] 473329;1391299653;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 473330;1391299656;kleeck;I missed this channel. 473331;1391299686;kleeck;Kleeck is TAT, or ? 473332;1391299709;kleeck;What's the securities drama, guys? 473333;1391299715;kleeck;Fill me in. 473334;1391299739;ThickAsThieves;www.bitcointalk.org 473335;1391299753;ThickAsThieves;www.trilema.com 473336;1391299761;ThickAsThieves;http://assass.headfucking.net/ 473337;1391299766;kleeck;Oh god. 473338;1391299767;ThickAsThieves;now you are all caught up! 473339;1391299770;kleeck;Don't link me that shiti. 473340;1391299774;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-] 473341;1391299775;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 473342;1391299789;kleeck;I knew trilema was going to be linked. I just knew it. 473343;1391299805;ThickAsThieves;no you didnt 473344;1391299815;kleeck;I did! 473345;1391299822;kleeck;I even put up a bitbet on it 473346;1391299835;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-] {2} 473347;1391299929;ThickAsThieves;Evil thought of the moment: Will we eventually see a trend of tricking people into losing their bitcoins? (Decreasing supply) 473348;1391299954;ThickAsThieves;not scamming, just half-scamming 473349;1391300018;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.56000121 = 1.12 BTC [-] 473350;1391300019;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC {2} 473351;1391300079;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC 473352;1391300080;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-] 473353;1391300201;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-] 473354;1391300202;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 473355;1391300244;pankkake;the amounts propably won't be enough for the cost 473356;1391300262;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00569894 = 0.1425 BTC [+] {3} 473357;1391300275;pankkake;(the cost of tricking people) 473358;1391300445;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-] 473359;1391300485;ThickAsThieves;passive aggressive scamming 473360;1391300631;Vexual;pankakke selling boobies 473361;1391300689;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1097 @ 0.00042 = 0.4607 BTC [-] {3} 473362;1391300707;kleeck;He's got to be selling something, right? 473363;1391300719;kleeck;Is he done plugging Bitbet every 5 minutes? 473364;1391300742;Vexual;bow bubudaba 473365;1391300757;pankkake;I am trying to buy boobies, would be more exact 473366;1391300758;KRS1;o/ Vexual 473367;1391300769;Vexual;he 473368;1391300781;kleeck;Are you bitbetting how many boobies you'll buy/ 473369;1391300801;kleeck;because that's important. You don't really mean anything unless you bitbet it. 473370;1391300804;pankkake;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2014#473235 473371;1391300816;mircea_popescu;<pankkake> the amounts propably won't be enough for the cost << this is kind-of the birth of dragons. 473372;1391300834;mircea_popescu;people who dealt in thousands are going to be quite uninterested in helping idiots misplace their half bitcent 473373;1391300871;pankkake;as for number of boobies, wise words from http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=35 473374;1391300872;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC {2} 473375;1391300920;pankkake;but even if you have bitcents, people losing bitcents won't make you significantly richer 473376;1391300933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00092896 = 29.3551 BTC [+] 473377;1391300965;mircea_popescu;in this sense people don't use ebay because people sending them 0.0000000000000000000000000001% of all usd won't make them significantly richer 473378;1391300970;mircea_popescu;you're thinking like a dragon. 473379;1391301003;pankkake;I believe the discussion was about making others lose, but not lose to you 473380;1391301016;mircea_popescu;" helping idiots misplace their half bitcent" 473381;1391301028;Apocalyptic;if you send coins to limbo, every holder profits 473382;1391301039;pankkake;yes, I am not arguing against that 473383;1391301041;Apocalyptic;so that's kinda "lose to you" in part at least situation 473384;1391301069;mircea_popescu;well otherwise, what exatly are the fixed costs to scamming ? 473385;1391301089;mircea_popescu;or weren't you really referring to what ThickAsThieves was saying ? 473386;1391301142;pankkake;I feel like no one is understanding each other 473387;1391301157;Vexual;bow bubudaba 473388;1391301191;mircea_popescu;lol irc, it happens. 473389;1391301238;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC 473390;1391301298;pankkake;MPOE-PR didn't take my bait :( 473391;1391301308;KRS1;.bait 473392;1391301325;KRS1;;;seen ozbot 473393;1391301325;gribble;ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 54 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: 2193847870.17428 | Next Diff in 610 blocks | Estimated Change: 17.0561% in 3d 12h 14m 55s 473394;1391301326;Vexual;bots mining atc 473395;1391301335;KRS1;wtf mining? I need my baits 473396;1391301361;Namworld;Found a nice graph. I like it. http://i.imgur.com/1srrQRV.jpg 473397;1391301363;mircea_popescu;pankkake wha was that ? 473398;1391301392;Namworld;The heat and feet part makes it. 473399;1391301420;pankkake;boobs for altcoins 473400;1391301453;pankkake;the bitcoin part is almost irrelevant 473401;1391301463;pankkake;what hardware is that? 473402;1391301474;mircea_popescu;that cryptsy thing looks exactly as retarded as if burnside had come back from the dead. 473403;1391301486;mircea_popescu;is it his ? 473404;1391301491;Vexual;38gh id say pankkake 473405;1391301726;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.179 BTC [+] 473406;1391301802;mircea_popescu;https://www.cryptsy.com/pages/jobs ahahah best jobs section yet. 473407;1391301876;Apocalyptic;heh 473408;1391301915;kleeck;yeah... hilarious..? 473409;1391301939;mircea_popescu;where you get to "hiring lawyers, with a degree or comparable experience and attention to detail" it becomes quite hilarious. 473410;1391301949;mircea_popescu;perhaps they also sew footballs. 473411;1391302072;mircea_popescu;http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/4359 << generally a good read for eager minds and benkay. 473412;1391302096;pankkake;fucking fuck, "Don't access Project Gutenberg from hosted servers." 473413;1391302104;pankkake;my IP is hated by half the internet 473414;1391302153;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 473415;1391302154;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.24999999 BTC [+] 473416;1391302219;Vexual;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hausa_Braille#Hausa_Braille 473417;1391302464;Apocalyptic;what happened to ozbot btw ? 473418;1391302663;Vexual;unfunded? 473419;1391302706;Apocalyptic;I miss his diff estimates 473420;1391302756;Vexual;2 hours in 3 days must br fairly close 473421;1391302763;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.17100002 BTC [-] 473422;1391302996;KRS1;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DALvNCbgcKg 473423;1391303048;KRS1;Birdman - Fire Flame 473424;1391303129;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.08033333 = 0.482 BTC [-] {2} 473425;1391303130;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00281432 = 0.1098 BTC [-] {2} 473426;1391303190;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC 473427;1391303191;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00280902 = 0.1152 BTC [-] {4} 473428;1391303312;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.08 = 0.48 BTC [-] {2} 473429;1391303374;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 473430;1391303434;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.17200003 BTC [+] 473431;1391303475;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj-z-BbvlHs 473432;1391303495;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.17200002 BTC [-] 473433;1391303556;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.172 = 0.344 BTC [-] 473434;1391303617;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC 473435;1391303661;Vexual;.exchange 100 ATC BTC 473436;1391303675;Vexual;nope 473437;1391303788;ThickAsThieves;http://bitcoinbigfoot.com/coinapult-sponsors-plan-%E0%B8%BF-brochure-bitcoin-bigfoot/ 473438;1391303797;ThickAsThieves;first time i see the baht in a url 473439;1391303837;ThickAsThieves;i cant even read past the CSS 473440;1391303861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.172 = 0.688 BTC [-] 473441;1391303923;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 473442;1391303926;ThickAsThieves;bitcoin in html http://nakamotoinstitute.org/bitcoin.html 473443;1391303973;nubbins`;why the picture of gob bluth in that bigfoot link? 473444;1391303981;nubbins`;lel, i kid ;( 473445;1391303984;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2971 @ 0.00092903 = 2.7601 BTC [+] 473446;1391304044;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.172 = 0.344 BTC [-] 473447;1391304045;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1200 @ 0.00166806 = 2.0017 BTC [+] 473448;1391304059;mircea_popescu;!t m x.eur 473449;1391304060;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00166806 / 0.00166806 / 0.00166806 (1200 shares, 2.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00166114 / 0.00167482 / 0.00170089 (5000 shares, 8.37 BTC), 30D: 0.0016245 / 0.00179463 / 0.002 (20739 shares, 37.22 BTC) 473450;1391304349;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 473451;1391304410;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.172 = 0.344 BTC [-] 473452;1391304496;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=84995 473453;1391304502;mircea_popescu;dude! they gave up! 473454;1391304514;mircea_popescu;this loss for bitcoin retardedness shall never be bridged. 473455;1391304837;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58700102 = 1.174 BTC [+] {2} 473456;1391304898;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 850 @ 0.00166806 = 1.4179 BTC [+] 473457;1391305583;Vexual;hi benkay, how goes the trivia answers? 473458;1391305630;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04750011 = 0.2375 BTC [-] 473459;1391305691;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.0475 = 1.14 BTC [-] {2} 473460;1391305996;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [-] 473461;1391306057;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.061 = 0.183 BTC [-] 473462;1391306423;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.24999996 BTC [+] 473463;1391306972;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 32 @ 0.00448889 = 0.1436 BTC [+] {3} 473464;1391307111;diametric;ugh i hate when the channel lights up because my name was said but i was afk long enough for it to disappear on scrollback. 473465;1391307172;Duffer1;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ 473466;1391307206;diametric;ahh yes 473467;1391307225;Duffer1;^.^ 473468;1391307298;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg4886026#msg4886026 473469;1391307313;mircea_popescu;countdown to joffrey headexplosion in 3..2... 473470;1391307338;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 473471;1391307399;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.24999999 = 0.75 BTC [+] {2} 473472;1391307456;benkay;hewing and hawing? 473473;1391307463;benkay;chopping and chortling? 473474;1391307491;mircea_popescu;skippin' an' scrappin' 473475;1391307525;benkay;would someone kindly a) write my name in channel and b) pm me? 473476;1391307533;benkay;s/name/handle 473477;1391307544;Duffer1;benkay 473478;1391307580;benkay;excellent, thanks Duffer1 473479;1391307582;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00550211 = 0.4677 BTC [-] {2} 473480;1391307643;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 473481;1391307722;benkay;what's news, gents? 473482;1391307768;jurov;benkay pm 473483;1391307826;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 158 @ 0.0055 = 0.869 BTC [-] 473484;1391307861;jurov;benkay lots of lulz 473485;1391307872;jurov;half of which i missed cuz trying to code 473486;1391307880;jurov;benaky 473487;1391307882;benkay;o you should offload that 473488;1391307885;jurov;*benkay 473489;1391307900;jurov;;;tell benkay benkay 473490;1391307904;benkay;rewrite coinbr in clojure and i'll take it off your hands 473491;1391307919;benkay;;;tell jurov jurov 473492;1391307925;mircea_popescu;lol 473493;1391307937;mircea_popescu;clojure is a thing now ?! 473494;1391307946;benkay;lisp devours all 473495;1391307980;mircea_popescu;(o(k)) 473496;1391308001;jurov;yes, we can do, there's convertor from python :DDD 473497;1391308018;mircea_popescu;ahahaha automated conversions to lisp are the tits. 473498;1391308038;jurov;(,)(,) 473499;1391308046;benkay;i'd love to see the 'turing equivalent conversion' of a python class tangle to lisp 473500;1391308052;benkay;har lisp is tits! 473501;1391308171;jurov;haha zactly.sqlalchemy is practically built out of class tangle, i just started to understand it 473502;1391308209;jurov;(un)fortunately, it seems equally impenetrable to pentesters 473503;1391308231;benkay;OOP as security 473504;1391308235;jurov;only now, after a year some figured out how to reach json decoder 473505;1391308259;jurov;which isn't actually used for anything 473506;1391308271;benkay;what did the attacks look like? 473507;1391308310;jurov;malformed utf, sql injections, various tries to subvert int(function) 473508;1391308314;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.24999996 BTC [-] 473509;1391308327;benkay;(much wailing and gnashing of teeth, Vexual, but my pattern-finding is getting better and faster) 473510;1391308395;benkay;Vexual: I also found the instrument mircea_popescu put together to go short pirateat40 473511;1391308399;benkay;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77268.msg858592#msg858592 473512;1391308436;mircea_popescu;benkay wd 473513;1391308613;jurov;oh and people try acunetix all the time.. if someone knows of acunetix exploit, talk to me 473514;1391308628;mircea_popescu;heh half my trilema errorlog is full of that 473515;1391308639;mircea_popescu;kidz be haxing into the credits yo 473516;1391308762;benkay;so MP how did PPTAPR/MAY work out for you? you underwrote what i understand to be insurance against BS&T and I imagine sold it for more than the .00128 face value? 473517;1391308844;benkay;dah do'h no it only paid out if bs&t didn't have a credit event 473518;1391308874;mircea_popescu;right 473519;1391308893;mircea_popescu;it actually worked great because ppl bought huge 473520;1391308903;mircea_popescu;then i dun recall what stupid sidestep they did and ppl panicked 473521;1391308907;mircea_popescu;sold into my lowball buys 473522;1391308920;mircea_popescu;was like a week the whole thing 473523;1391309004;Duffer1;MPOE-PR: taking people down a few pegs, even if they only started with 2 473524;1391309040;mircea_popescu;lol 473525;1391309085;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves pankkake seems atc has a quite solid bottom in nao. 473526;1391309094;mircea_popescu;and it didn't even cost me that much btc 473527;1391309095;mircea_popescu;lolz. 473528;1391309112;herbijudlestoids;afternoon fellows 473529;1391309113;benkay;altcoin is a thing now? 473530;1391309129;herbijudlestoids;what a saturday night! 473531;1391309134;mircea_popescu;benkay they drug me into it. 473532;1391309141;benkay;someone save some for me 473533;1391309151;benkay;i'm too busy doing historical research to mine the -asset altcoin 473534;1391309159;benkay;goddamnit i'm going to die broke with a donation address on my blog 473535;1391309168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18512 @ 0.00093125 = 17.2393 BTC [+] 473536;1391309257;mircea_popescu;so help you. 473537;1391309260;jurov;cuz your toolchain is dusty and thus nobody can pay you 473538;1391309281;benkay;jurov my bitcoins are safe in your keeping. 473539;1391309286;benkay;HA 473540;1391309288;benkay;best wallet ever 473541;1391309293;benkay;GPG contracts with trusted individuals. 473542;1391309308;pankkake;someone sold altcoins? 473543;1391309347;jurov;don't provocate, or i'll sell the contract to mircea 473544;1391309361;jurov;like he offered yest 473545;1391309365;benkay;have at 473546;1391309373;mircea_popescu;wait, what did i offer ? 473547;1391309380;benkay;nothing would please me more than for mp to owe me btc 473548;1391309386;benkay;wait that's not true at all 473549;1391309393;benkay;definitely up there though 473550;1391309425;mircea_popescu;lol so lend me a btc. 473551;1391309483;benkay;;;gettrust mircea_popescu 473552;1391309483;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011 473553;1391309493;herbijudlestoids;so, todays "i hope this even remotely is interesting" timeseries is the un-annualised rolling 20 tick volatility of 20 tick returns for ~1wk http://imgur.com/ncCX4Mq 473554;1391309499;benkay;;;gettrust jurov 473555;1391309499;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user jurov: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=jurov | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jurov | Rated since: Fri Jan 20 18:16:32 2012 473556;1391309506;benkay;i can't deal with either of you right now :( 473557;1391309520;herbijudlestoids;obviously some timestamps would make this more useful 473558;1391309565;mircea_popescu;yeah srsly. 473559;1391309570;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2014#471309 this was mircea's offer 473560;1391309581;mircea_popescu;also bear in mind it's a scam as per https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103 473561;1391309605;benkay;how does that thread have 14 pages!? 473562;1391309629;mircea_popescu;because of all the arguments. 473563;1391309656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00092903 = 11.1484 BTC [-] 473564;1391309672;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids i think it'll be much more interesting in 1-2 monmths, that thing 473565;1391309766;jurov;;;eauth jurov 473566;1391309767;gribble;Request successful for user jurov, hostmask jurov!~jurov@mx.coinbr.com. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/677ABD62D0AEE7D7 473567;1391309791;jurov;gribble why won't you respond in pm? 473568;1391309804;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: yes, i guess what im trying to do right now is see what needs to happen in my data processing scripts etc to make this automated and easy for me 473569;1391309818;herbijudlestoids;right now its about 5 commands when i wake up, id like to just get an email of the graphics 473570;1391309831;herbijudlestoids;hopefully you guys dont mind me spamming various images until then :P 473571;1391309840;jurov;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:072aced25f3df57050d15f4a1727256a97805396c485d39121f254cc 473572;1391309840;gribble;You are now authenticated for user jurov with key 677ABD62D0AEE7D7 473573;1391309846;benkay;mircea_popescu: you're welcome to assume jurov's debt to me. i don't think i even get a say. 473574;1391309853;herbijudlestoids;for example today i learned i need to rbind with timestamps in the timeseries 473575;1391309891;jurov;lol 473576;1391309900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25215 @ 0.00092893 = 23.423 BTC [-] {4} 473577;1391309950;jurov;;;rate benkay 1 good work on mpex missing manual 473578;1391309951;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded. 473579;1391309953;mircea_popescu;benkay i was just dicking around lol 473580;1391309970;benkay;well like i said i don't think i even get a say 473581;1391309979;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids nope. alos, cron does wonders 473582;1391310022;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 473583;1391310164;jurov;;;rate Vexual 1 good music and fun overall 473584;1391310165;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. 473585;1391310175;jurov;kick him 473586;1391310218;mircea_popescu;wtf 473587;1391310219;Vexual;ouchie 473588;1391310233;jurov;;;rate asciilifeform 1 really knows his shit 473589;1391310234;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has been recorded. 473590;1391310257;jurov;;;rate asciilifeform 1 really knows his stuff 473591;1391310286;jurov;ok ok i'm done 473592;1391310302;mircea_popescu;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has not been recorded because shit. 473593;1391310318;jurov;:/ 473594;1391310320;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user asciilifeform has changed from 1 to 1. 473595;1391310327;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 588 @ 0.00093125 = 0.5476 BTC [+] 473596;1391310463;KRS1;ethereum looks like a really strong project 473597;1391310481;mircea_popescu;why ? 473598;1391310486;mircea_popescu;i never really looked into it 473599;1391310510;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [-] 473600;1391310611;jurov;;;rate davout 3 473601;1391310613;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user davout has been recorded. 473602;1391310678;jurov;forgot anyone? 473603;1391310739;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: hmm not sure i understood what you mean? all i was saying is i need to work the timestamps into my script so that R correctly interprets them and makes it easy for me to have timestamped graphs 473604;1391310744;jurov;;;rate scrat 2 473605;1391310765;herbijudlestoids;the timestamps are actually being recorded by the irc bot 473606;1391310784;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user scrat has been recorded. 473607;1391310815;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 473608;1391310876;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 473609;1391310892;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids> right now its about 5 commands when i wake up, << 473610;1391310917;mircea_popescu;jurov so are you now running coinroll ? 473611;1391310929;jurov;yes almost 473612;1391310948;jurov;it was complicated process and still not finished 473613;1391311060;herbijudlestoids;this interview is supposedly about decentralisation of energy but seems to cover the idea that crowdfunding, p2p lending etc: "Even the assistant director general of the Bank of England, Andy Haldane has said this is showing signs of becoming such a trend, such a potential mega-trend, that it could disenfranchise the main banks, the high street banks in the way that I think some of these trends in renewable energy 473614;1391311219;herbijudlestoids;i guess this is the article he was referencing http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/9749573/Crowdfunding-could-revolutionise-lending-says-Andrew-Haldane.html 473615;1391311251;herbijudlestoids;definitely considering the aggregate demand for junk bonds it does seem there is a lot of stupid people out there willing to fund anything 473616;1391311262;mircea_popescu;derp. 473617;1391311277;mircea_popescu;imo "crowdfunding" as in, kickfunder etc is a fad not unlike social media. 473618;1391311288;mircea_popescu;then again, i'm the god of bias. 473619;1391311314;herbijudlestoids;i personally dont disagree, but interesting to hear someone from BoE say that technology could kill banking 473620;1391311348;herbijudlestoids;i guess its probly more efficient for the economy for people to fund bad ideas directly than have to buy junk bonds in the bad ideas 473621;1391311348;lewicki;not if they all commit suicide first... 473622;1391311356;mircea_popescu;yeah, interesting to me too. in the following sense : a londoner goes to the country, and upon hearing a goose meow he expresses his astonishment : listen to the cock neigh! 473623;1391311369;Duffer1;i wish people would stop throwing money at kickstarters 473624;1391311380;Duffer1;until kickstarters start offering equity 473625;1391311388;mircea_popescu;anyway. bad ideas being funded is a serious problem for any society. 473626;1391311389;herbijudlestoids;they cant offer equity 473627;1391311407;herbijudlestoids;if they offer equity then they fall under the various financial regulations 473628;1391311432;Vexual;http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x19d2au_jonwayne-the-come-up-ft-scoop-deville_lifestyle 473629;1391311434;herbijudlestoids;basically they need to list on MPOE :P 473630;1391311439;Duffer1;hehe 473631;1391311443;Duffer1;i'd love to see that 473632;1391311467;herbijudlestoids;somehow i doubt most kickstarters would be considered viable by mircea_popescu for listing though :P 473633;1391311476;Duffer1;exactly 473634;1391311548;herbijudlestoids;i wish cunts would stop hyping bitcloud :( 473635;1391311573;Vexual;whats bitcloud? 473636;1391311603;herbijudlestoids;approx the same idea as urbit or tornet, rehyped and the tech media are cum guzzling it hard 473637;1391311609;Vexual;ah 473638;1391311624;herbijudlestoids;except the difference is both urbit and tornet actually have some code committed somewhere 473639;1391311628;herbijudlestoids;bitcloud has nothing. 473640;1391311639;mircea_popescu;but bitcloud has bit and cloud 473641;1391311643;mircea_popescu;you understand nothing 473642;1391311645;Vexual;sounds good 473643;1391311667;mircea_popescu;actually, did moldbug&co ever manage to stop urbit from crashing ? 473644;1391311668;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: my official job title is Director of Cloud Operations, so i like to think i know something :) 473645;1391311669;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.24310363 = 1.7017 BTC 473646;1391311690;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids something you may know, but this is hindering you from seeing the true pure beauty of Bit and Cloud! 473647;1391311694;benkay;mircea_popescu: it's somewhat less leaky and crashy 473648;1391311717;mircea_popescu;if you had done nothing but reddit, retardopedia and lesssex for the past two decades... 473649;1391311730;mircea_popescu;benkay so how long has it been online currently ? 473650;1391311768;benkay;hah got me 473651;1391311776;benkay;and what do you mean by "online" and "long"? 473652;1391311780;mircea_popescu;ok, did it crash in the current month ? 473653;1391311780;mircea_popescu;lmao 473654;1391311783;herbijudlestoids;has anyone come up with any useful use cases for urbit? all i could think of was a mutt clone lol 473655;1391311791;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.19 = 1.33 BTC [-] 473656;1391311792;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 473657;1391311793;benkay;since last universe reset or whatever they call it? 473658;1391311804;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids http://trilema.com/2013/so-this-urbit-thing/ 473659;1391311807;mircea_popescu;yes. 473660;1391311873;Vexual;i think bitcloud should be a proof of work image board with extra stenography 473661;1391311913;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [-] 473662;1391311969;Vexual;or a small amount of visible water vapour in the sky 473663;1391311972;Duffer1;ya there's a reason why mpoe-pr recommends taking a year off to read first :P 473664;1391311974;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [-] 473665;1391311975;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 473666;1391312004;jurov;Vexual: steganography 473667;1391312012;Vexual;ty jurov 473668;1391312042;herbijudlestoids;god fucken damnit...just saw bitalpha.com 473669;1391312049;herbijudlestoids;btcalpha.com even 473670;1391312062;herbijudlestoids;stupid postmodern internet 473671;1391312087;mircea_popescu;what;'s wrong with it ? 473672;1391312096;Vexual;too tumbler 473673;1391312118;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: nothing, its just kind of what i would like to do :P 473674;1391312121;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/ << see here herbijudlestoids, avoid such surprises. 473675;1391312125;mircea_popescu;it's actually mike's blog. 473676;1391312129;jurov;have you seen live.coinbr.com ? it's timeless :DDDD 473677;1391312133;mircea_popescu;hehehe 473678;1391312141;mircea_popescu;i linked him earlier iirc 473679;1391312184;mircea_popescu;one of the things i enjoy most about bitcoin is all the shit people don't know. ot 473680;1391312189;mircea_popescu;it's like... :D 473681;1391312200;Vexual;thats me 473682;1391312211;Vexual;im waiting for benkays cheat sheet 473683;1391312228;herbijudlestoids;yo, so based on the bitcointalk forum, which is i assume populated by heavily qualified financial analysts, wasnt the price of MPOE supposed to be "negative" this morning? 473684;1391312235;herbijudlestoids;i was looking forward to scooping up the entire company 473685;1391312241;herbijudlestoids;and having mircea_popescu pay me for the privilege 473686;1391312258;Vexual;snooze you lose 473687;1391312262;mircea_popescu;^ 473688;1391312264;herbijudlestoids;did you already buy it Vexual ? 473689;1391312276;herbijudlestoids;can i buy it off you for -3BTC? 473690;1391312293;Vexual;mpoe? 473691;1391312294;mircea_popescu;Vexual at the rate benkay is posting on that cascade of his, the cheatsheet will need a flatbed truck. 473692;1391312321;Vexual;ah the trivia list 473693;1391312326;Vexual;no i didnt buy it 473694;1391312335;mircea_popescu;also, benkay baby, more naked girl / dressed pitbull pics. you've lernered nothing off trilema ? 473695;1391312337;Vexual;i was hoping it would be free then returned in kind 473696;1391312368;Vexual;but i should pay for it more than mp should 473697;1391312382;Vexual;hes already got it in his head 473698;1391312390;mircea_popescu;all i have is like these altcoins 473699;1391312391;jurov;benkay is actually paid in debts 473700;1391312413;jurov;Vexual so you should make one first 473701;1391312415;Vexual;hes gonna pop out overed in gold 473702;1391312422;Vexual;one what? 473703;1391312423;herbijudlestoids;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ArXcPfoCIAE1r0G.jpg 473704;1391312462;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.061 = 0.122 BTC [-] 473705;1391312476;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids did you see all the failed darknet drug marketplaces btw ? 473706;1391312492;mircea_popescu;speaking of php. the stuff had me in a state of ptss for a few hours 473707;1391312511;Vexual;wait if bitwasp gets finished, that'll be like altcoin pools of drug markets 473708;1391312518;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2014#471866 < 473709;1391312523;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: i did, after reading about how silk road went down they wer eall so fucking stupid 473710;1391312529;herbijudlestoids;but there is a new one i read about, running on i2p 473711;1391312534;herbijudlestoids;sounds much more secure 473712;1391312545;Apocalyptic;security-wise it's a disaster 473713;1391312563;herbijudlestoids;this one http://www.dailydot.com/crime/deep-web-black-markets-beyond-tor-i2p/ 473714;1391312578;mircea_popescu;lay it on us Apocalyptic 473715;1391312578;herbijudlestoids;"The Marketplace" 473716;1391312628;herbijudlestoids;if they manage to take that one down i will be impressed 473717;1391312645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15081 @ 0.00093244 = 14.0621 BTC [+] 473718;1391312653;Apocalyptic;it appears that almost every new marketplace is prone to basic SQL injections 473719;1391312661;herbijudlestoids;lol 473720;1391312684;Apocalyptic;more drama on that on #bitcoin-hidden everyday 473721;1391312721;mircea_popescu;anything specific about this i2p thing ? 473722;1391312762;herbijudlestoids;asking me? 473723;1391312768;mircea_popescu;no, Apocalyptic 473724;1391312824;Apocalyptic;not that I recall of, let me grep the logs 473725;1391312828;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 473726;1391312862;herbijudlestoids;at least judging from that article, it sounds like th eguys who set it up have tried their hardest to learn from the failures of the other morons 473727;1391312875;herbijudlestoids;i still really cant believe the security behind silk road was so fucken poor 473728;1391312889;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+] 473729;1391312908;mircea_popescu;why not ? 473730;1391312910;Vexual;the real dpr is in tokyo stinking of ylang ylang 473731;1391312935;TomServo;I really hope so. 473732;1391312946;TomServo;Like herbijudlestoids said.. it's sad otherwise. 473733;1391312946;mircea_popescu;i thought he was with elvis 473734;1391312947;Vexual;poor zombie tho 473735;1391312970;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: i just kind of assumed that anyone who wanted to setup a website like that might be the kind of person who knows even the first thing about security 473736;1391312990;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids you know, this entire generation of twentyspomething fuckups strictly exists because we keep presuming. 473737;1391313010;mircea_popescu;exactly these types of presumtpions. they're like some mutant cockroaches which have somehow adapted to live in the cracks of this presumption. 473738;1391313042;herbijudlestoids;yep, well you can bet the big vendors on those sites are now doing their "security due diligence" before they list products on a given market 473739;1391313043;Apocalyptic; i still really cant believe the security behind silk road was so fucken poor // then you won't believe this 473740;1391313049;Apocalyptic;http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/01/29/cantina-marketplace-pwnd-admin-password-was-password1/ 473741;1391313055;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids you can bet no such thing. 473742;1391313081;mircea_popescu;you know, no ammount of salmon being eaten by bears makes the salmon wear fucking german ww1 helmets. 473743;1391313091;mircea_popescu;they just take their chances. they survive by schooling. 473744;1391313092;Vexual;cool ones do 473745;1391313095;mircea_popescu;that's your us druggies. 473746;1391313144;jurov;it's not just twentysomethings. the password for national office that gives security clearances 473747;1391313148;herbijudlestoids;lullllllwut Apocalyptic 473748;1391313150;jurov;was "mbusr123" 473749;1391313163;jurov;guess what was the office named 473750;1391313170;Vexual;maoney bursary 473751;1391313171;Vexual;? 473752;1391313185;jurov;NBU SR 473753;1391313195;jurov;and the pass was nbusr123 473754;1391313202;Vexual;ah 473755;1391313205;mircea_popescu;derp. 473756;1391313210;herbijudlestoids;HAHA 473757;1391313216;Vexual;little bit mafia there with the trascription 473758;1391313217;herbijudlestoids;im still reading 473759;1391313255;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+] 473760;1391313256;Apocalyptic;herbijudlestoids, that's the state of the average marketplace out there 473761;1391313264;Apocalyptic;just unreal 473762;1391313285;herbijudlestoids;baaaa 473763;1391313295;herbijudlestoids;i guess the barrier to entry is just too low 473764;1391313316;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 473765;1391313317;Vexual;if i wanted to use doog drugs id move to addis abar and have excellent herbal amphetamines 473766;1391313379;Vexual;*good 473767;1391313405;Vexual;coffee and khat 473768;1391313406;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids you know that's the exact link i gave you earlier in the logs :D 473769;1391313429;mircea_popescu;but yes. freedom = no barrier to entry = chaos. nttawwt. 473770;1391313438;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.062 = 0.124 BTC [+] {2} 473771;1391313524;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: which link? i happen to be retarded and often forget things that i dont immediately note down 473772;1391313582;herbijudlestoids;iv got "So this urbit thing" and "People have made blogs" saved in my list, as well as "The stuff all good conspiracy theories start with" because i wanna see the photo of MPOE-PR :P 473773;1391313665;mircea_popescu; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2014#471866 < 473774;1391313715;herbijudlestoids;ah right right 473775;1391313715;herbijudlestoids;i see 473776;1391313760;herbijudlestoids;my main concern is if you setup a legit, correctly secured darknet site, its just going to make you an even bigger target for the NSA really 473777;1391313799;herbijudlestoids;youll be going up against a very scary adversary who will hand your details over to the FBI or local equivalent as soon as they de-anon your server 473778;1391313821;herbijudlestoids;not sure the risk/reward is skewed in your favor 473779;1391313823;Vexual;or visa versa 473780;1391313831;mircea_popescu;why would you be in the us ? 473781;1391313836;Apocalyptic;^ 473782;1391313859;herbijudlestoids;why would your location matter to the NSA? 473783;1391313863;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLixRMmzsy4 473784;1391313877;herbijudlestoids;in fact being in the US is pretty much the only legal defense against NSA spying lol 473785;1391313884;mircea_popescu;herp. 473786;1391313888;Vexual;:) 473787;1391313897;mircea_popescu;1. nsa is nowhere near as competent as they'd like you believe 473788;1391313907;mircea_popescu;2. most jurisdictions couldn't give less of a shit about the us and its problems. 473789;1391313926;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 473790;1391313949;mircea_popescu;the idea is to implement technically sound solutions. this means god himself can not de-anon your server. 473791;1391313958;mircea_popescu;if you can't do that, you've got little business doing it in the first place. 473792;1391313975;mircea_popescu;it'd be like bitcoin relying not on chain but on people being nice to each other. 473793;1391313977;Apocalyptic;i really don't see HK or Russia extradite a drug marketplace owner 473794;1391313981;Vexual;make it cant break it only existed very recently 473795;1391314087;herbijudlestoids;the way i see it workin gis something like this: FBI discovers new online drug marketplace, probably tipped off from dutch intelligence or similar agency who actually has the knowhow. they poke it, cant de-anon it, and so they call up the NSA to take a poke. initial pokes are unsuccessful so they go all out against it. 473796;1391314115;herbijudlestoids;somehow i feel like the NSA is probably quite competent enough considering the resources at their disposal ;) 473797;1391314128;mircea_popescu;except they have a list of things to do 473798;1391314133;mircea_popescu;and a list of people that can do it. 473799;1391314139;Vexual;yeah snowden tok it with him 473800;1391314142;mircea_popescu;and the worst morale in the history of secret servicing. 473801;1391314148;mircea_popescu;now... the 2nd list is always shorter. 473802;1391314158;mircea_popescu;and so... no. they don't have the resources to anytihng. 473803;1391314178;mircea_popescu;besides, the nsa is dead. the us is scrambling to create a new, actually secret replacement, while pretending nsa is still a thing. 473804;1391314186;mircea_popescu;that puts further pressure on the manpower available. 473805;1391314200;herbijudlestoids;s/NSA/5eyes spy conglomerate 473806;1391314221;herbijudlestoids;when i say NSA i dont mean NSA so much as any sigint that has permissions for global ops 473807;1391314225;mircea_popescu;you work in hosting, right ? how many competent sysadmins are there, that you can actually motivate to do the job ? 473808;1391314231;mircea_popescu;and how many jobs need doing ? 473809;1391314258;Vexual;none 473810;1391314266;herbijudlestoids;true that unemployment for good ops is very low to nonexistent in our particular sector atm 473811;1391314287;herbijudlestoids;mostly i write the puppet modules and we hire meatsacks to watch errors 473812;1391314359;mircea_popescu;so then what do you think, the problem eases as you go up ? 473813;1391314363;mircea_popescu;it doesn't ease. it aggravates. 473814;1391314404;mircea_popescu;what particular sector ? it's the same all through. how many db experts are there ? 473815;1391314410;mircea_popescu;what atm ? it's been the case since 1960. 473816;1391314457;mircea_popescu;smart people are few and far between. things they can do are the grass o nthe fields. monstrous socialist regimes have this problem compounded by the fact that they're only popular with idiots. 473817;1391314466;mircea_popescu;the us may hire as many Fargo policewomen as it can pay. 473818;1391314479;mircea_popescu;i'd be surprised if it can currently hire any ONE of the top five crackers in any field. 473819;1391314492;mircea_popescu;even if it had infinite money, which it clearly does not. 473820;1391314508;Vexual;they already been to hawaii and smoked the pakalolo for more than 100kpa 473821;1391314559;KRS1;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIUZlzd37sI 473822;1391314679;Vexual;it was written 1000s or years ago 473823;1391314685;mircea_popescu;http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/is-your-money-safe-at-the-bank-an-economist-says-no-and-withdraws-his/ 473824;1391314738;Vexual;o/ 473825;1391314796;herbijudlestoids;haha i saw that 473826;1391314822;mircea_popescu;"Someone should start a bank (or maybe someone has) that charges (rather than pays) interest and does not make loans. " 473827;1391314846;mircea_popescu;this is what, amsterdamsche wisselbank 473828;1391314871;mircea_popescu;fucktards with their "let's make the world fair" as if it weren't managed to bomb us all the fucking way to the stone age. 473829;1391314882;mircea_popescu;the once glorious wester civilisation has to restart at fucking 1600 ?! 473830;1391314911;mircea_popescu;flay a libertard alive today. he's earned it. then salt the wounds and make his mother watch. 473831;1391314929;Vexual;pay a nigerian 473832;1391314983;herbijudlestoids;in early 2009 when FASB changed the rules from mark to market, to mark to unicorn, it was obvious what was going on if it wasnt already. the banks are by "Generally Accepted Accounting Principles", completely insolvent. 473833;1391315003;herbijudlestoids;so i dunno why this guy is bothering to talk about leverage and FDIC insurance lol 473834;1391315017;herbijudlestoids;due diligence shows the banks as failed capitalist enterprises 473835;1391315028;herbijudlestoids;dun need to go further than that. 473836;1391315049;Duffer1;fdic insurance is probably about the only thing the average american derp understands about banking 473837;1391315067;Duffer1;he's jsut using it as an example to highlight a point, smart guy knows his audience 473838;1391315092;mircea_popescu;im with d. 473839;1391315154;mircea_popescu;this is just damage control anyway. most of the deposits belong to companies, which a) are legally required to keep their funds in a bank and b) are not insured anyway. 473840;1391315176;mircea_popescu;you think the cypriots had it bad... watch till it happens in the us. 473841;1391315181;herbijudlestoids;ye 473842;1391315206;Vexual;so mpoe 473843;1391315214;decimation;it's all the idiocy of maturity transformation 473844;1391315216;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/bank-steals-deposit.png 473845;1391315219;mircea_popescu;that's how it looks 473846;1391315266;herbijudlestoids;i hear that NEO and BEE setup btc financial services in cyprus and opened recently 473847;1391315268;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/time-for-europe-to-repeal-the-us-backed-aml-crap/ since we're on it 473848;1391315287;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBKowgK41E0 473849;1391315301;Duffer1;neo&bee is open? 473850;1391315327;herbijudlestoids;dunno, thats just what i heard today 473851;1391315335;Vexual;legals still taking money they cant afford to pay unemploed builders at any price 473852;1391315359;Vexual;id be getting free rent 473853;1391315390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00093239 = 13.0535 BTC [-] {2} 473854;1391315421;Vexual;lpanned to open march i think? 473855;1391315467;Vexual;i expect tellers with broken computers and a stopwork from govt 473856;1391315488;Vexual;shoulda been in berlin 473857;1391315493;herbijudlestoids;so are you buying shares then Vexual? 473858;1391315537;Vexual;no 473859;1391315554;Vexual;then berlin, then that awful volcano 473860;1391315560;Vexual;*frankfurt 473861;1391315670;herbijudlestoids;whats the opinion on havelock investments? 473862;1391315699;Vexual;seems to work 473863;1391315711;Vexual;verily don't listen to me tho 473864;1391315726;mircea_popescu;http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=31 473865;1391316183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00093389 = 17.0902 BTC [+] 473866;1391316524;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i hereby demand to be gassed by the new, spiffy, Meta-NSA, rather than the tired old one. 473867;1391316537;mircea_popescu;glwt. 473868;1391316552;decimation;where are its headquarters? 473869;1391316578;Vexual;prolly not cuba so you can't have fun if you get busted out by someone mp sent 473870;1391316580;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/embed/dOOTKA0aGI0 473871;1391316591;asciilifeform;decimation: on a subterrine. 473872;1391316643;decimation;I particularly like that this sketch shows them digging, thus mocking the idiots who tried to setup an idiot commune during the English civil war 473873;1391316650;mircea_popescu;subterrine de gascogne 473874;1391316685;herbijudlestoids;i love dennis 473875;1391316689;mircea_popescu;shit i got the wrong sketch 473876;1391316694;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYV-qYeWPkk << i meant this one 473877;1391316697;decimation;I donno, how are they going to attact elite coders to work in a hole? 473878;1391316741;mircea_popescu;decimation that's where the gascogne comes into play. 473879;1391316760;decimation;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diggers 473880;1391316789;decimation;sounds dubiously competent for the usg 473881;1391316792;asciilifeform;http://spox.ru/cache/imagemanager/2559156.jpg 473882;1391316802;Vexual;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digger_%28soldier%29 473883;1391316827;Vexual;thats a shit sub 473884;1391316841;decimation;lol maybe they can dig a tunnel to the uk while they work 473885;1391316854;Vexual;yeah but you wont do x knots 473886;1391316871;herbijudlestoids;if i went around, saying i was emperor just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me... 473887;1391316919;Duffer1;moistened bint is my new favorite pejorative 473888;1391316934;Vexual;fast or quiet, those are the options 473889;1391316982;mircea_popescu;put a dint in the bint like you don't care... 473890;1391317037;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 473891;1391317097;Vexual;or, you can forgo the urnanium powered steam, and be noisy and slow 473892;1391317120;Vexual;which is in fact the only option 473893;1391317130;Vexual;also your parrot is dead 473894;1391317335;Vexual;its not unreasonably slow sir 473895;1391317342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43851 @ 0.00093235 = 40.8845 BTC [-] 473896;1391317382;Vexual;in two teths of the time it takes an a 380 to fly round the world you could be to cuba and back 473897;1391317416;Vexual;provided you set out from the modern spanish main 473898;1391317573;Vexual;or just roll around in the pacific and its all cool 473899;1391317639;Vexual;ive seen the rooster tail off one of those nuke subs and ill tell you they are well fast even on the surface 473900;1391317708;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26966 @ 0.00093421 = 25.1919 BTC [+] {3} 473901;1391317732;herbijudlestoids;so 473902;1391317747;herbijudlestoids;has anyone heard of reggie middletons ultra coin, not to be confused with ultracoin the altcoin? 473903;1391317753;herbijudlestoids;http://www.zerotrustdigitalmoney.com/ 473904;1391317768;herbijudlestoids;something like zerocoin i guess 473905;1391317788;Duffer1;i haven't been able to read the altcoin forums since coingen came out 473906;1391317788;herbijudlestoids;looks like: http://boombustblog.com/images/stories/Bitcoin/Untitled.png (apparently) 473907;1391318085;KRS1;herbijudlestoids: I'd like to know more about that screenshot 473908;1391318196;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 992 @ 0.000405 = 0.4018 BTC [-] {4} 473909;1391318218;herbijudlestoids;KRS1: from what i understand its using zero trust contracts in a closed bitcoin system to do financial obligations (basically) 473910;1391318258;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC2q6_GM9zs 473911;1391318313;herbijudlestoids;im watchin the youtube video about it now, seems like he has hired some indian guy to do the coding and the explanation video is just a skype screencast of him showing reggie what he has paid for 473912;1391318330;Vexual;codemonekys 473913;1391318439;herbijudlestoids;confusing because there is an alt called ultracoin that has nothing to do with it 473914;1391318451;Vexual;thats why theres altcoin 473915;1391318684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00093431 = 27.1884 BTC [+] 473916;1391318847;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids have heard, yea. sort-of ripple/ot/etc 473917;1391318867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29570 @ 0.00093431 = 27.6275 BTC [+] 473918;1391318945;herbijudlestoids;seems a bit vapey right now? i tried to reg for the forum but doesnt work etc 473919;1391318951;herbijudlestoids;opinion? 473920;1391318962;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7Ofl8IRf7o 473921;1391318971;herbijudlestoids;seems approx equv to the idea of p2pex, implemented with zero trust 473922;1391319063;mircea_popescu;it doesn't seem like anything, tbh. 473923;1391319099;mircea_popescu;lot of hype, no actual subtance that i so far noticed. 473924;1391319104;Vexual;lasbians 473925;1391319111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12261 @ 0.00093235 = 11.4315 BTC [-] 473926;1391319128;mircea_popescu;"Here's the latest Max Keiser in which he and Stacey Herbert to a good job of explaining what I have in mind. " this sort of thing will instakill any project, for instance. 473927;1391319142;herbijudlestoids;truth 473928;1391319175;mircea_popescu;in general, a large number of fluffers are trying to scam various particular venues. there's all the dorks pretending like they have projects for the benefit of the clueless va market. 473929;1391319185;mircea_popescu;there's all the various scammers trying to peel the eager youth public 473930;1391319188;mircea_popescu;on it goes. 473931;1391319225;Vexual;are you gonna do mpex forever mp? 473932;1391319262;mircea_popescu;probably not. 473933;1391319272;Vexual;who could manage it 473934;1391319294;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/so-whats-the-plan-with-mpoempex/ 473935;1391319297;Vexual;could someone? 473936;1391319309;mircea_popescu;why not ? 473937;1391319335;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/smpoe-takes-strategic-investor/ 473938;1391319351;mircea_popescu;maybe this year i cut a deal with a large bank. or maybe i buy one. or maybe next year. or who knows 473939;1391319351;herbijudlestoids;sweet accounting gimix from italy today http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-01/italy-enacts-most-bizarre-bank-bailout-yet 473940;1391319357;mircea_popescu;i'm not even 40 yet. there's plenty of time. 473941;1391319377;mircea_popescu;haha yea i saw that. ppl were like... headshake and backing up 473942;1391319390;herbijudlestoids;you should buy the worlds oldest bank! monte dei paschi di siena 473943;1391319445;herbijudlestoids;http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/BMPS:IM 473944;1391319496;mircea_popescu;not particularly strong. 473945;1391319510;decimation;what's the point of owning a fiat bank? 473946;1391319519;Vexual;old monmey and contacts 473947;1391319538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34461 @ 0.00093228 = 32.1273 BTC [-] {2} 473948;1391319542;mircea_popescu;that you can tell the government of X irrelevant country to either adapt its enforcement to what you do or else prepare for eating treebark 473949;1391319550;mircea_popescu;like hsbc sent the usg packing 473950;1391319577;herbijudlestoids;i dun think you can afford a strong bank, thats why i suggested one of the weaklings :P 473951;1391319590;decimation;all the banks are poor in bitcoin 473952;1391319603;mircea_popescu;i don't need a weakling. 473953;1391319617;mircea_popescu;and on the strength of having grown from 10mn to 1bn in ayear, i can literally afford anything. 473954;1391319637;mircea_popescu;in the current situation, the only reason i conceivably could not lbo a bank with 100trn in "assets" 473955;1391319649;mircea_popescu;is that the people supposed to finance lbos are either poor or stupid. 473956;1391319726;decimation;seems like bank ownership would come with all kinds of soveirgn meddling 473957;1391319745;mircea_popescu;;;later tell thickasthieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4887312#msg4887312 << seems they've decided it's called ALT not ATC. 473958;1391319746;gribble;The operation succeeded. 473959;1391319750;Vexual;you might have a son in the next few years mp 473960;1391319766;mircea_popescu;decimation obviously it'd be a complex matter. 473961;1391319815;mircea_popescu;anyway, the actual reason would be, of course, that the last thing any one government wants is me at the helm of a huge fiat bank. 473962;1391319819;decimation;I agree at some point it will happen. In fact, at some point banks will be begging for the bitcoin rich to tell them what to do 473963;1391319823;mircea_popescu;they'd rather not eat all that much treebark if at all possible. 473964;1391319839;Vexual;well if mpex is anything to go by, youd own a priavte bank 473965;1391319859;Vexual;and still be the goto guy for bitcoin shit 473966;1391319862;mircea_popescu;Vexual 500 dollars a year to bank there and no further fees. 473967;1391319865;mircea_popescu;tell me you wouldn't use it. 473968;1391319873;Vexual;i cant tell you that 473969;1391319893;mircea_popescu;unlike the children spending their lunchbreak on bitcointalk, irl people actually have to like... you know, pay the rent and shit 473970;1391319898;Vexual;i imagine youd still use mpex too 473971;1391319914;mircea_popescu;yes. you'd need gpg for internet banking. 473972;1391319921;decimation;I would pay if I could get 100% backed deposits in whatever currency I'm banking 473973;1391319935;mircea_popescu;decimation well is it a bank or is it money storage ? 473974;1391319951;decimation;money storage for me 473975;1391319961;mircea_popescu;you could have that, i dun see why not. 473976;1391319968;decimation;with a convienent loan-matchmaking system 473977;1391319987;mircea_popescu;course at least for psychological reasons it's prolly better to have the storage and the banking business separated. 473978;1391320039;herbijudlestoids;how about the bank that lets you choose what rate you are willing to loan your money out at 473979;1391320040;decimation;the hilarious thing is that the fiat gov't would think they have leverage over you 473980;1391320061;mircea_popescu;decimation folks love to think this, story of my life. 473981;1391320063;herbijudlestoids;if you choose, say, 0% it cant loan the money out, at 0.5% only low risk investments, etc 473982;1391320082;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids maybe. the problem here is this : the more choice you give people, the more fuckwited they are and the more scams you enable. 473983;1391320102;mircea_popescu;so in practice you want to either give all choice or no choice. 473984;1391320152;decimation;you can have a fractional subsidary for the idiots to bank with 473985;1391320153;mircea_popescu;sorta like you can either be male or female. have to pick one. 473986;1391320159;mircea_popescu;there's no gender-ambiguous connector. 473987;1391320160;decimation;"why don't my checking account pay interest?" etc 473988;1391320167;herbijudlestoids;realistically, there should be no bitcoin bank, doesnt seem necessary as long as there is a highly liquid market for bitcoin duration notes and bonds, like 10,30,90 day 2,5,7,y bonds 473989;1391320189;mircea_popescu;the note market is much more difficult than meets the eye. 473990;1391320200;Vexual;why isnt my coal mine making money? it is now 473991;1391320240;Vexual;coz powerplant and shit 473992;1391320269;mircea_popescu;look at that, paschi di siena is on hte pinksheets now. 473993;1391320278;mircea_popescu;maddof helped them so. 473994;1391320309;decimation;the bank would provide research and screening of businesses wanting loans, as well as negotiating terms for classes of investors 473995;1391320321;decimation;ie a real finiancial middleman in the proper sense 473996;1391320334;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCE3Ge4bCLk 473997;1391320337;mircea_popescu;decimation you'll never be able to hire. 473998;1391320353;mircea_popescu;how do you think i'll be able to coerce herbi here to do all that legwork for your blind "classes" 473999;1391320360;mircea_popescu;when he could just as well set up shop for himself. 474000;1391320390;Vexual;yeah herbi got it, hes a surity 474001;1391320432;decimation;there will be people who just wanna have some passive income, and will be willing to pay the bank fees to make sure the deal is reasonable 474002;1391320444;mircea_popescu;you still won't be able to hire. 474003;1391320449;herbijudlestoids;decimation: why cant any business wanting loans list a bond and their financial deets and allow me to quantify them and bid in the free market on their rate? 474004;1391320453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.00093166 = 28.4156 BTC [-] {2} 474005;1391320474;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids why do you need a bank to interface your etrade account ? 474006;1391320509;herbijudlestoids;pls adjust your analogies for australia retards 474007;1391320535;decimation;MP, as in you won't be able to find anyone who is qualified to make these kinds of subjective creditworthiness judgements? 474008;1391320546;mircea_popescu;decimation not for any price youll afford to pay. 474009;1391320561;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids i just mean that if you want to dd on your own you can't possibly need a bank for any purpose. 474010;1391320594;Vexual;etrade is a stock broker here u know mp? 474011;1391320603;decimation;Well, you certainly wouldn't find anyone qualified working for banks today. He/she would have to be grown from scratch somehow. 474012;1391320607;mircea_popescu;decimation so then you try to "make it work" which means you push both ends and then a decade down the road your shitty officers bring about a crisis of unheard magnitude 474013;1391320629;mircea_popescu;what, you think financial top management particularly WANTED a crisis ? 474014;1391320651;mircea_popescu;Vexual yes. 474015;1391320659;Vexual;thought so 474016;1391320664;KRS1;herbijudlestoids>: he's finding the contracts in the blockchain? 474017;1391320674;KRS1;looks like theres also a rating to them 474018;1391320680;mircea_popescu;that's my point. if he wants a self-service thing he doesn't need the bank to anything. 474019;1391320727;decimation;I'm not sure the crisis would be of the same magnitude as what fiat banks have gotten into 474020;1391320732;herbijudlestoids;well what would i need the bank for, if i can for example loan 10 day money in a liquid market to some business directly, and then when i need some money sell the appropriate amout of 10 day loans back into the mkt? 474021;1391320736;KRS1;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JhsUFuqbCM 474022;1391320737;decimation;but you certainly could lose alot of money on idiocy 474023;1391320807;decimation;what if you wanted to divide a loan amoung a few others to reduce the risk? 474024;1391320827;mircea_popescu;decimation you want sane business models at all times. this one you're contemplating proposes to make 10 dollar steaks out of nine meat. that leftover dollar isn't enough to hire anything but mcdonalds staff. which won't make what you want. 474025;1391320847;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids yes. if you want to do all the work, you don't need someone to do the work for a group of "you". 474026;1391320877;mircea_popescu;if you want to cut wood and feed stoves, "town heating services" aren't useful to you. 474027;1391320877;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: marginal savers can do the legwork and rest of the market can take the interest rate as the signal 474028;1391320885;mircea_popescu;this is the path to disaster. 474029;1391320938;mircea_popescu;it's basically the equivalent of driving a car by touch. 474030;1391320939;herbijudlestoids;decimation: im assuming the loan granularity is extremely fine so you can loan your bitcoins equally amongst them or however you like... 474031;1391320964;mircea_popescu;fun fact : loan granularity only becomes fine in systems which well handle coarse. 474032;1391320975;mircea_popescu;if you need fineness as an input your system is thereby aborted. 474033;1391320985;decimation;That sounds like alot of work for investors and businesses alike 474034;1391320992;decimation;But I guess the work has to exist somewhere 474035;1391321012;mircea_popescu;this is kind of the general point here : you ignore workload at your peril. sooner or later it will punish you. 474036;1391321023;mircea_popescu;the later the worse. 474037;1391321029;herbijudlestoids;the businesses have to do nothing except list the bond and their verifiably true financials 474038;1391321045;mircea_popescu;sadly there is no such thing as a "verifiable true financial" 474039;1391321060;decimation;I guess I'm pushing it into the black boxed labeld "competent bank", and you are saying such a bank would have to charge enormous fees to employ the right people 474040;1391321070;herbijudlestoids;ye 474041;1391321082;herbijudlestoids;thereby compressing any profit margin 474042;1391321083;mircea_popescu;decimation something like that. you're basically saying "it should be done", like a govt. 474043;1391321089;mircea_popescu;well... that's fine but it doesn't actually work. 474044;1391321129;mircea_popescu;you know how they pass laws going "nothing in the foregoing should be construed as doing X" ? 474045;1391321138;mircea_popescu;that's wishful thinking in a bowstring. what the fuck. 474046;1391321150;decimation;That's in nearly all us laws now 474047;1391321155;mircea_popescu;indeed. 474048;1391321183;mircea_popescu;"nothing i do now should be construed as rape" *pow* *smack* *riiiip* 474049;1391321219;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1581430/plain/) 474050;1391321219;Duffer1;!bash 1 474051;1391321224;decimation;Well, at least my "competent bank" would be better than current gov't and banks because the liabilities would be explicit and clear 474052;1391321225;Duffer1;^.^ 474053;1391321236;mircea_popescu;they won't stauy explicit and clear 474054;1391321243;mircea_popescu;everyone involved has a definite interest to muddy them 474055;1391321246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22092 @ 0.00093433 = 20.6412 BTC [+] {2} 474056;1391321254;mircea_popescu;because your model fundamentally doesn't work, and so they're all stuck 474057;1391321277;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 omg context 474058;1391321290;Duffer1;ya i just realized >.< 474059;1391321309;Duffer1;i should have added a few more lines 474060;1391321322;mircea_popescu;be ashamed. you've even broken the rules nao. 474061;1391321323;Duffer1;sorry hehe 474062;1391321360;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ0hOKCSuns 474063;1391321411;decimation;Do you have an alternative in mind? The only thing that occurs to me is rugged investors and businesses creating gpg contracts on their own terms. 474064;1391321460;mircea_popescu;i don't have a fully polished, drop-in alternative in any sense. 474065;1391321476;mircea_popescu;what's worse, i doubt there can actually be an alternative to toughening the agents the fuck up. 474066;1391321501;mircea_popescu;i've been measuring it across the board, you've perhaps seen the tail ends of ti 474067;1391321514;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.0;all etc 474068;1391321551;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25885 @ 0.00093203 = 24.1256 BTC [-] {2} 474069;1391321557;KRS1;Vexual: groovyy 474070;1391321565;KRS1;Straya cunt 474071;1391321602;Vexual;sup florida 474072;1391321618;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLvCkxg0BOI 474073;1391321681;decimation;it's the quis custodiet ipsos custodes problem 474074;1391321720;mircea_popescu;in general, the problem is vast. the day your average us citizen has decided that politics is a problem that other people should solve for him, so he can focus on w/e his job is 474075;1391321729;mircea_popescu;that day politics got fucked irretrievably. 474076;1391321742;mircea_popescu;yet people don't generally want to nor generally can be renaissance complete personalities. 474077;1391321743;decimation;which is the current situation more or less 474078;1391321752;mircea_popescu;well, the same is true of everything. 474079;1391321762;mircea_popescu;the day you quit cleanning your house it will cease to be clean. 474080;1391321778;mircea_popescu;the day you decide your financial security is "to be" ensured by nebulous third parties... 474081;1391321781;mircea_popescu;guesswhat. 474082;1391321790;mircea_popescu;they may be experts, but they aren't you. 474083;1391321801;decimation;even if they start out competent and strong, the inevitible incentives to cheat... 474084;1391321815;mircea_popescu;if you never talk to your girlfriend 474085;1391321816;mircea_popescu;ever 474086;1391321819;mircea_popescu;she will eventually quit you. 474087;1391321828;herbijudlestoids;unless youre mute 474088;1391321836;mircea_popescu;see ? this seems to be a rather universal rule. 474089;1391321841;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids s/talk/communicate/ 474090;1391321844;herbijudlestoids;:P 474091;1391321869;herbijudlestoids;lessons in personal responsibility from mircea_popescu 474092;1391321890;mircea_popescu;well more like... you know... what alternative shall i have, woe unto me. i dun see one, other than lieing it you 474093;1391321895;mircea_popescu;(dun worry baby it'll all be alright) 474094;1391321909;decimation;"intellectuals" call it the "noble lie" 474095;1391321915;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QCZ_bv9aLc 474096;1391321927;mircea_popescu;yes, but apparently you won't have classes, and be happy inferiors of some selected caste of masters. 474097;1391321933;mircea_popescu;this makes such lie impopssible. 474098;1391321939;Duffer1;herbijudlestoids it's a lot better than lessons from Labcoin :P 474099;1391321963;mircea_popescu;the original observation, however, to wit that politics has very quickly diminishing marginal returns, and in general you don't need more than 100 men involved in it in any case, is sound. 474100;1391321975;mircea_popescu;(fun fact : 50% of all wealth today is owned by 97 people, i hear) 474101;1391321989;herbijudlestoids;noway 474102;1391321998;herbijudlestoids;sauce? 474103;1391322002;mircea_popescu;research it, im curious if it can be confirmed 474104;1391322011;herbijudlestoids;i think its a lot lower, more like 8% :P 474105;1391322080;mircea_popescu;1% own 40%, according to the un. 474106;1391322088;mircea_popescu;i guess it depends on how conspiracy-minded the approach is. 474107;1391322105;Vexual;yeah thats the humanitarian brach of the nsa 474108;1391322127;Vexual;not really 474109;1391322129;herbijudlestoids;yes i would agree 1% own 40%...so what is 1%? seventy million people! 474110;1391322155;herbijudlestoids;another number i found for 2013 is that 29 million own 39% of global assets 474111;1391322161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00093454 = 12.8499 BTC [+] {2} 474112;1391322164;mircea_popescu;yeah, of which 69`999`923 people do banking with a select few :) 474113;1391322171;herbijudlestoids;lol 474114;1391322175;mircea_popescu;so in the end... 474115;1391322219;herbijudlestoids;nowaybro, if global assets includes say, a cashflow positive farm or car factory or whatever then that piece of ass(et) doesnt matter who you bank with 474116;1391322222;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02969 = 0.1188 BTC [-] 474117;1391322239;mircea_popescu;methinks i was forcing a point. 474118;1391322248;herbijudlestoids;i have heard a number that the richest 100% own a lot, but the number i heard was like 8% 474119;1391322256;herbijudlestoids;err s/100%/100 people/ 474120;1391322258;Vexual;it mght affect where you are able to sell your product effectively herbi 474121;1391322288;decimation;well, it certainly is the case that money will stay in the hands of those who have the ability to hold it 474122;1391322296;decimation;and that those people are rare 474123;1391322301;mircea_popescu;ownership is a muddled thing anyway. so you own your house. you can't set it on fire. you can't dig a hole in the livingroom. etc. 474124;1391322331;decimation;everyone else needs an arrangement with the local duke or landgrave 474125;1391322357;mircea_popescu;decimation you know what a house mother is ? 474126;1391322375;decimation;Like someone who stays home to raise the children? 474127;1391322382;mircea_popescu;no. 474128;1391322395;mircea_popescu;heterosexual couples ended up doing cellular families, somehow, for some reason. 474129;1391322402;mircea_popescu;at least in the english world. 474130;1391322414;mircea_popescu;gay people however, tend[ed] to live in groups 474131;1391322433;mircea_popescu;also other opressed groups (entertainers, especially sex workers, for instace ; drug users definitely) 474132;1391322453;Vexual;hookers 474133;1391322455;mircea_popescu;much like average people going out to drink have a designated driver, these cvasi-familial arrangements have a house mother 474134;1391322467;mircea_popescu;who is the sort of... well.. landgrave, technically. 474135;1391322478;mircea_popescu;resolves "whose hairbrush it really is" disputes 474136;1391322482;Vexual;i tak eit you dont mp 474137;1391322488;herbijudlestoids;its my fucken hairbrush 474138;1391322491;mircea_popescu;in most large towns cops reflexively seek him out in any conflict 474139;1391322493;Vexual;lol 474140;1391322512;mircea_popescu;this meanwhile has expanded to college aged kids, who are in fact an opressed group by now. 474141;1391322530;decimation;yeah in frat houses in us universities there is often such a person 474142;1391322530;mircea_popescu;not deliberately, just, they're too fucking dumb and uninformed to survive in the world as it is. 474143;1391322536;mircea_popescu;and so slowly the model spreads 474144;1391322542;mircea_popescu;there's your landgrave. 474145;1391322586;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F57P9C4SAW4 474146;1391322627;mircea_popescu;so in the end, the future looks like, two to six slaves living i nthe care of one master, who gets in the wot and tries to make sense of whether mp or x or y is more sensible to keep his house's money. 474147;1391322649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8824 @ 0.00093507 = 8.2511 BTC [+] 474148;1391322653;mircea_popescu;sorta mini-tribal. 474149;1391322657;Vexual;youtube thinks im a french tween 474150;1391322658;decimation;yeah that sounds about right 474151;1391322687;mircea_popescu;in the end, this all yields a richer conenctivity in society, 474152;1391322703;mircea_popescu;and it's a well known fact that the more connected model always emerges victorious. 474153;1391322706;Vexual;yeah then it breaks people starve and start over 474154;1391322723;mircea_popescu;which is fundamentally why england conquered scotland rather than the other way around 474155;1391322730;mircea_popescu;even though it was a scottish king who did the union 474156;1391322732;decimation;yeah here's a blog that shows a map of individualism vs. collectivism https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2013/09/07/national-individualism-collectivism-scores/ 474157;1391322741;Vexual;say that in an aberdeen pub 474158;1391322743;mircea_popescu;i woudln't call this collectivism tho. 474159;1391322751;mircea_popescu;possibly because the term is in my mind strictly related to stalin. 474160;1391322753;decimation;the individualist are better at coordinating things on a large scale 474161;1391322895;decimation;Interestingly Hungary is a major outlier in Eastern Europe 474162;1391322920;mircea_popescu;is this hbd supposed to be "sanity ready to fight spurious accusations of racism" ? 474163;1391322947;Vexual;hbd? 474164;1391322954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00093874 = 21.9196 BTC [+] {2} 474165;1391322978;decimation;her thesis is that many of the behaviours people exhibit can be traced back to inbreeding vs. outbreeding 474166;1391323016;mircea_popescu;https://hbdchick.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/individualism-collectivism-hofstede.jpg?w=460 474167;1391323020;Vexual;how can hungary inbreed, the border keeps moving 474168;1391323021;mircea_popescu;no seriously ? can i lol yet ? 474169;1391323034;mircea_popescu;the us is under 50. 474170;1391323084;mircea_popescu;"remember that its the individualists who seem to work together best towards the collective the BIG collective society as a whole a nation, for instance. meanwhile, the collectivists (as hofstede calls them) or the clannish groups (as i call them) dont manage to handle, or even to create, commonweals hardly at all." 474171;1391323094;mircea_popescu;this is really very naive 1930s whig anthropology. 474172;1391323111;mircea_popescu;for one thing, the clannish groups don't actually need the large constructs like the alienated individuals do. 474173;1391323144;mircea_popescu;but anyway. 474174;1391323149;Vexual;yeah 474175;1391323179;herbijudlestoids;i need a cheeseburger 474176;1391323185;Vexual;get me one 474177;1391323188;herbijudlestoids;yes sir 474178;1391323232;herbijudlestoids;anyone else want anything? 474179;1391323243;Vexual;yeah get me the whole amore meal 474180;1391323259;herbijudlestoids;wtf is an amore meal? 474181;1391323261;Vexual;two extra cheezeburgers 474182;1391323264;mircea_popescu;yea srsly. 474183;1391323304;mircea_popescu;apparently mcd is taking advantage of the aussies' polyglot nature. 474184;1391323309;mircea_popescu;https://mcdonalds.com.au/menu/amore-big-mac-meal 474185;1391323338;herbijudlestoids;allofmywut.pptx 474186;1391323356;Vexual;yeah its acutally the fat cunt meal 474187;1391323358;herbijudlestoids;what is the amore about? as in, i love mcdonalds so much, give me one of everything on the menu? 474188;1391323378;Vexual;your girl is supposed to get a salad and eat some of your chips 474189;1391323379;mircea_popescu;no, as in take the gf. you eat the big hoovespaste thing, she eats the small one 474190;1391323383;mircea_popescu;then you fight on the apple pie 474191;1391323388;Vexual;lol 474192;1391323399;herbijudlestoids;glegh 474193;1391323409;mircea_popescu;what do these things cost anymore ? 474194;1391323409;herbijudlestoids;glad there is a proper burger joint down the end of my street 474195;1391323416;mircea_popescu;is that thing like 20 dollars ? 474196;1391323418;Vexual;bacon on mine 474197;1391323428;Vexual;if you dont mind 474198;1391323449;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: id guess about that, with the current FX rate at 0.87 474199;1391323465;herbijudlestoids;altho there is the convenient big max index if you wanna work out your PPP that way 474200;1391323470;herbijudlestoids;s/max/mac 474201;1391323473;Vexual;123 bux amore 474202;1391323476;Vexual;12 474203;1391323499;mircea_popescu;i was just idly curious 474204;1391323518;mircea_popescu;last time i ate in a popular joint i left like 40 dollars there iirc. 474205;1391323533;herbijudlestoids;we just got...TGIF here 474206;1391323536;mircea_popescu;this being, of course, romania, where labour an' materials are cheap 474207;1391323606;Vexual;can one get a good burger there mp? 474208;1391323616;mircea_popescu;i never had one. 474209;1391323627;herbijudlestoids;what do you eat mircea_popescu? soylent? :D 474210;1391323642;mircea_popescu;last burger i had was at some irish restaurant in boston. i ate it with a knife and fork, much to the waitstaff's delight 474211;1391323646;cazalla;i don't know any aussies that buy a family deal from maccas 474212;1391323651;cazalla;it's usually fish and chips mate 474213;1391323652;mircea_popescu;(all the chicks came one by one to discreetly check me out) 474214;1391323666;herbijudlestoids;ooo cazalla you just paused me mid sohe 474215;1391323668;herbijudlestoids;shoe* 474216;1391323683;cazalla;i just sat down with a cuppa 474217;1391323685;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids http://trilema.com/2013/tandoori-mousaka/ 474218;1391323713;Vexual;u veg? 474219;1391323723;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: my trilema buffer is now at 5 articles, if you want me to read more you will have to pay 0.01BTC for a subscription to my HTTP GETs :P 474220;1391323736;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/how-to-sandwich-like-a-badass/ http://trilema.com/2012/pilaf/ etc 474221;1391323745;mircea_popescu;my blog is like an exhaustive mp compendium 474222;1391323756;Vexual;its a delicious clump of pluerotus mushrooms 474223;1391323759;mircea_popescu;haha sokay, they'll wait 474224;1391323772;mircea_popescu;Vexual no, i eat girls. 474225;1391323786;Vexual;vitamin v 474226;1391323791;herbijudlestoids;Vexual: ooo did i tell you that i am a fine grower of pleurotus eryngii? 474227;1391323795;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/sauerbraten/ 474228;1391323815;Vexual;im not all that much of a mushroom afficianardo to be honest 474229;1391323831;herbijudlestoids;i got a lil obsessed from when i lived in victoria 474230;1391323831;cazalla;those tomatoes look average 474231;1391323840;Vexual;unless theyre draped on a porterhouse 474232;1391323843;herbijudlestoids;lactarius deliciosus especially 474233;1391323844;cazalla;then again, i grow my own (heat wave is killing em atm though) 474234;1391323867;herbijudlestoids;ok fucken ill be back, going to get some burgers before you guys convince me off it completely 474235;1391323888;Vexual;what cut is that mp? lower back? 474236;1391323894;Duffer1;;;google congestive heart failure 474237;1391323894;gribble;Congestive Heart Failure Symptoms, Causes, and Treatment - WebMD: ; Heart failure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Congestive Heart Failure - American Heart Association: 2193847870.17428 | Next Diff in 610 blocks | Estimated Change: 17.0561% in 3d 12h 14m 55s 474269;1391324946;KRS1;no bait tonight 474270;1391324984;Vexual;;;see Graet 474271;1391324985;gribble;Error: "see" is not a valid command. 474272;1391324991;Vexual;;;seenGraet 474273;1391324992;gribble;Error: "seenGraet" is not a valid command. 474274;1391324995;Vexual;;;seen raet 474275;1391324995;gribble;I have not seen raet. 474276;1391325001;Vexual;;;seen Graet 474277;1391325001;gribble;Graet was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 weeks, 2 days, 15 hours, 56 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: yep, got eta tho? 474278;1391325019;Vexual;drool fail 474279;1391325026;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/85351720c79eb5e87ef5429a7b5c73be/tumblr_mhyfurBsTJ1rmcr76o1_1280.jpg 474280;1391325037;mircea_popescu;there. double cheezburgers, an' goodnite. 474281;1391325206;Vexual;me too, im off to find spatchcock 474282;1391325333;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.18 = 1.8 BTC [-] {2} 474283;1391325517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00093964 = 31.384 BTC [+] {3} 474284;1391325638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.11237142 = 0.7866 BTC [+] {6} 474285;1391325699;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.125 = 0.75 BTC [+] 474286;1391325943;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 474287;1391326065;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 474288;1391326066;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-] 474289;1391326248;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC 474290;1391326323;dub;wat 474291;1391326332;dub;usagi back? 474292;1391326675;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26847 @ 0.0009401 = 25.2389 BTC [+] {2} 474293;1391327207;KRS1;hah that bait looks lionish rawr 474294;1391327651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34950 @ 0.00093577 = 32.7052 BTC [-] 474295;1391328200;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.08154999 = 0.3262 BTC [-] {4} 474296;1391328261;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.07741 = 0.7741 BTC [-] {3} 474297;1391328384;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [-] 474298;1391328712;Namworld;There are so many people borrowing USD to go long on BTC on Bitfinex... 474299;1391328730;herbijudlestoids;gg 474300;1391328735;herbijudlestoids;leverage always ends well 474301;1391328754;herbijudlestoids;at least the borrow rate is relatively low for USD :P 474302;1391328796;Namworld;relatively low? looks kind of high 474303;1391328818;Namworld;The "usury" kind of high 474304;1391328898;Namworld;18.7 million USD vs 3000 BTC borrowed 474305;1391329156;herbijudlestoids;whats the USD interbank rate? 0.25%? 0.5%? here in aus its ~3% 474306;1391329176;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00093459 = 10.6076 BTC [-] {2} 474307;1391329176;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.11899999 = 0.238 BTC [+] {2} 474308;1391329725;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1205 = 0.241 BTC [+] {2} 474309;1391330152;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26313 @ 0.00093379 = 24.5708 BTC [-] {2} 474310;1391330274;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 474311;1391330396;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1761 @ 0.00280177 = 4.9339 BTC [-] {7} 474312;1391330579;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 617 @ 0.00093354 = 0.576 BTC [-] 474313;1391331982;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.1242 = 0.621 BTC [+] {2} 474314;1391332205;Namworld;I have no idea 474315;1391332226;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 474316;1391332287;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.18 BTC [-] 474317;1391332432;Namworld;Why the discussion about the interbank rate? 474318;1391332607;Namworld;Whatever they are, they're lower than Bitfinex 474319;1391332775;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 474320;1391333019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00093454 = 22.1953 BTC [+] 474321;1391333568;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12475 = 0.499 BTC [+] {2} 474322;1391333812;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 474323;1391333873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00093579 = 27.0443 BTC [+] {3} 474324;1391333934;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 474325;1391334910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00093136 = 26.0781 BTC [-] {2} 474326;1391335337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6623 @ 0.00093132 = 6.1681 BTC [-] 474327;1391335581;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31825 @ 0.00092988 = 29.5934 BTC [-] 474328;1391335764;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.00092929 = 27.9252 BTC [-] {2} 474329;1391335886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00092862 = 7.754 BTC [-] 474330;1391336435;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29640 @ 0.00093194 = 27.6227 BTC [+] {2} 474331;1391337045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00093535 = 28.154 BTC [+] {2} 474332;1391337167;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3527 @ 0.002801 = 9.8791 BTC [-] {4} 474333;1391337614;herbijudlestoids;anyone around? 474334;1391337629;Duffer1;how's it goin 474335;1391337661;herbijudlestoids;alright, just trying to plug sensitivity analysis into the just-dice numbers 474336;1391337685;herbijudlestoids;not sure there is a positive kelly criterion value so the best bet is to "invest" with the house 474337;1391337745;herbijudlestoids;yeah...all the values seem to come out negative, not including the house edge 474338;1391337777;Duffer1;do you have your own site or blog where you're showing this info? 474339;1391337842;herbijudlestoids;nope 474340;1391337894;Duffer1;are you just analyzing for the hell of it or do you intend to apply your findings to trade? 474341;1391337929;herbijudlestoids;this is the equation f=(p*(b+1)-1)/b where b=0.65 and p=0.6 474342;1391337953;herbijudlestoids;and then i did sensitivity analysis for b and p looking for positive f values 474343;1391337967;Duffer1;right, but why hehe 474344;1391337977;herbijudlestoids;hmm well im analysing because some people on here mentioned it, id only apply if i could find an optimal betting equation 474345;1391337989;herbijudlestoids;i find it nice you can invest with the house tho 474346;1391337995;Duffer1;oh i see 474347;1391338068;Duffer1;i wish dooglus hung out in b-a 474348;1391338085;Duffer1;i bet that'd be very interesting 474349;1391338326;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00280003 = 0.56 BTC [-] {4} 474350;1391338761;Namworld;Possibly 474351;1391339429;Namworld;If there's no house edge, then it's always going to be zero for f. Unless there's rounding issues in the winnings vs odds since you can adjust those. 474352;1391339488;Namworld;If the odds are negative (house edge), f will be negative. 474353;1391339496;Namworld;So you know... go with the house 474354;1391340105;herbijudlestoids;Namworld: thought thats what i said 474355;1391340156;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00092817 = 20.3733 BTC [-] {4} 474356;1391340417;jurov;that's clear, but did you come with best strategy when to withdraw? 474357;1391340949;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.24310363 = 7.2931 BTC 474358;1391341090;herbijudlestoids;jurov: i have some ideas already ;) 474359;1391341123;herbijudlestoids;we know the long run house edge is 1% but highly volatile in the short term, so basically arb against that 1% 474360;1391341254;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.24310363 = 2.1879 BTC 474361;1391341864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25966 @ 0.00092694 = 24.0689 BTC [-] {3} 474362;1391342002;herbijudlestoids;ok 474363;1391342010;herbijudlestoids;well duffer1 is gone but i made it into a blog post http://bitquant.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/just-dice-kelly-criterion-sensitivity.html 474364;1391342353;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00292356 = 0.2924 BTC [+] 474365;1391342719;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 474366;1391342779;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2234 @ 0.00092577 = 2.0682 BTC [-] 474367;1391343084;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00092941 = 22.3058 BTC [+] 474368;1391343634;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04750011 = 0.57 BTC [+] 474369;1391343694;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.1792 = 0.896 BTC [-] {2} 474370;1391343755;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.17299166 = 2.0759 BTC [-] {3} 474371;1391343877;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.075 = 0.225 BTC [-] 474372;1391344062;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.07200002 = 0.144 BTC [-] {2} 474373;1391344243;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.0731 = 0.4386 BTC [-] {2} 474374;1391344244;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 993 @ 0.000405 = 0.4022 BTC [-] {5} 474375;1391344365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8884 @ 0.00092862 = 8.2499 BTC [-] 474376;1391344487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47149 @ 0.00092626 = 43.6722 BTC [-] {3} 474377;1391345097;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.164 BTC [-] 474378;1391345158;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.16366666 BTC [-] 474379;1391345219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 474380;1391345341;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 200 @ 0.005 = 1 BTC 474381;1391345707;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.18999998 BTC [+] 474382;1391345768;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.18999999 = 1.71 BTC [+] 474383;1391345890;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.19 = 1.52 BTC [+] 474384;1391346195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.0009256 = 29.249 BTC [-] 474385;1391346439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.0009256 = 10.5518 BTC [-] 474386;1391347129;jurov;herbijudlestoids, good article. i did not realize there's formula for this 474387;1391347354;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.24310363 = 2.431 BTC 474388;1391347415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28650 @ 0.00092547 = 26.5147 BTC [-] {2} 474389;1391347449;herbijudlestoids;jurov: glad you liked it! :) 474390;1391347498;herbijudlestoids;jurov: i put it on reddit, but im not really a bitcoin person so i dunno where is good to share it to generate some discussion, if theres anywhere you think might be interested pls feel free to repost it there 474391;1391347547;jurov;where? i can upvote 474392;1391347617;herbijudlestoids;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wsvc7/bitquant_justdice_kelly_criterion_sensitivity/ 474393;1391347620;jurov;just put it ro /r/bitcoin under catchytitle and hope for the best 474394;1391347659;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1711 BTC [-] 474395;1391347674;herbijudlestoids;yep thats approx what i did :P dunno how catchy the title is 474396;1391347696;herbijudlestoids;anyway, bed now, goodnight 474397;1391347705;jurov;i am not an expert, maybe ask Bingo 474398;1391347964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] 2000 @ 0.000645 = 1.29 BTC [+] 474399;1391347965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14140 @ 0.00092537 = 13.0847 BTC [-] {2} 474400;1391348086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00092969 = 11.7606 BTC [+] {2} 474401;1391348086;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 150 @ 0.00166806 = 0.2502 BTC [+] 474402;1391348513;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04979776 = 0.1992 BTC [+] 474403;1391348574;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.0009302 = 22.8829 BTC [+] 474404;1391348635;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.04979777 = 0.3984 BTC [+] 474405;1391349001;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00092499 = 5.4574 BTC [-] 474406;1391349589;mircea_popescu;so since pretty much anyone here has a better knowledge of webstuff than i do, here's a question : 474407;1391349611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00093333 = 21.2799 BTC [+] {2} 474408;1391349618;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as you're going to do a site with accounts, which people can log in over http (stupid as this may be) 474409;1391349655;mircea_popescu;wouldn't the best practice be, that upon user registration you generate a user salt and a nonce, send these as a hashed cookie, 474410;1391349686;mircea_popescu;and upon each subsequent login you a) check if the user has the old cookie ; b) hash the salt, store it, increment the nonce, store it ; c) send a new cookie 474411;1391349738;mircea_popescu;if your salt+nonce -> cookie process is deterministic you can even verify it's the same actual user to any arbitrary degree of fineness (such as, same ip) 474412;1391349794;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 25 @ 0.005 = 0.125 BTC 474413;1391349796;mircea_popescu;the question being, is anyone currently doing this ? 474414;1391349852;mircea_popescu;(obviously in this case by "login" i mean, any http request to your server at all) 474415;1391350099;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.175 BTC [+] 474416;1391350149;nubbins`;hi 474417;1391350277;mircea_popescu;buna sa-ti fie inima, straine. 474418;1391350524;mircea_popescu;;;later tell herbijudlestoids those same people said to you http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2014#472180 474419;1391350525;gribble;The operation succeeded. 474420;1391350535;nubbins`;toată lumea de aici este strainu 474421;1391350552;mircea_popescu;haha 474422;1391350559;nubbins`;or whatever :D 474423;1391350563;mircea_popescu;"este straină" 474424;1391350566;mircea_popescu;but otherwise wd. 474425;1391350590;mircea_popescu;anywya : hi in romanian is, to this day, "buna ziua", ie good day. 474426;1391350600;mircea_popescu;the ancientest response to this is "may your heart be good, stranger" 474427;1391350609;mircea_popescu;used liberally cca... 1700 474428;1391350647;nubbins`;that's bordering on an arabic level of eloquence 474429;1391350668;mircea_popescu;romania had been bordering on an arabic invasion of the western world all through the middle ages. 474430;1391350676;nubbins`;well there ya go! 474431;1391350686;nubbins`;peace be upon you as well, etc 474432;1391350694;mircea_popescu;for instance the town i live in, has been sieged by the turks and by the germans about 18 times, switching sides like 7 474433;1391350705;mircea_popescu;because it controls the only easy access into the west from constantinople. 474434;1391350710;nubbins`;fun fact, i only learned two arabic phrases when visiting morocco 474435;1391350725;mircea_popescu;bismallah being one ? 474436;1391350755;nubbins`;actually only learned that one afterward 474437;1391350770;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.175 BTC [+] 474438;1391350794;nubbins`;anyway, people were much less impressed with my wa'alaykum salaam when it became clear that i didn't need to buy a rug 474439;1391350806;mircea_popescu;;;later tell herbijudlestoids srsly, blogspot ? why such evil ;/ 474440;1391350806;gribble;The operation succeeded. 474441;1391350814;mircea_popescu;hahaha 474442;1391350862;nubbins`;"cutting a rug" is a euphemism here, but not for what you'd think 474443;1391350880;mircea_popescu;dancing ? 474444;1391350891;nubbins`;you're more perceptive than most 474445;1391350897;nubbins`;also known as "having a scuff" 474446;1391350907;mircea_popescu;you know, all that grammar truffles doesn't know. 474447;1391350909;mircea_popescu;i know it >D 474448;1391350947;KRS-;"cleaning a rug" is a euphamism here, commonly paired with "laying pipe". 474449;1391350950;KRS-;.bait 474450;1391350955;nubbins`;﷽‎ 474451;1391350961;nubbins`;^ that's a single glyph! 474452;1391350982;KRS-;How did you type nothing 474453;1391350996;nubbins`;how do you not have any arabic fonts installed? 474454;1391351003;mircea_popescu;amusingly, it reads like a square with f0f0 written in it, which'd be a short form of a romanian euphemism for... cunt, of course 474455;1391351003;KRS-;ah thats why 474456;1391351005;mircea_popescu;fofoloanca. 474457;1391351014;KRS-;haha 474458;1391351027;nubbins`;right in the fofolanca 474459;1391351028;mircea_popescu;maybe it's really fdfd and im just being freudian 474460;1391351028;pankkake;mircea_popescu: most websites, and almost all frameworks I've seen, only use a cookie that isn't refreshed, and is either left to expire stupidly, or never expiring 474461;1391351049;mircea_popescu;pankkake so then this'd be beyond my comprehension. why in the fuck ? 474462;1391351052;nubbins`;pankkake: fuckit, drive space is cheap ;p 474463;1391351052;pankkake;if you add a signed timestamp to the cookie, maybe you can limit logins from old stolen cookies 474464;1391351064;mircea_popescu;obviously you have to chain cookies if you're using that retarded method of keeping track of user state. 474465;1391351073;nubbins`;my favourite euphemism for pussy these days is "ham wallet" 474466;1391351085;mircea_popescu;what are you, an aluminum siding salesman ?! 474467;1391351111;nubbins`;great for industrial buildings as well as the home! 474468;1391351126;mircea_popescu;(guy walks into a girlscout cookie clambake. as the festivities progress he keeps getting more and more excited 474469;1391351127;KRS-;pankkake: good luck with that cookie strategy if you are using multiple web servers 474470;1391351139;mircea_popescu;eventually he asks a supervisor : so when do you skewer their meatflaps already ?) 474471;1391351150;mircea_popescu;KRS- what'd be the problem ? 474472;1391351164;pankkake;KRS-: it's a signed cookie, not session cookie; and managing sessions over multiple servers is possible too 474473;1391351187;pankkake;but usually the process is that you have an auth cookie (lifetime = high), and a session cookie (lifetime = short) 474474;1391351193;nubbins`;managing sessions over several servers is commonplace 474475;1391351198;pankkake;and we're only talking about the auth cookie 474476;1391351205;mircea_popescu;pankkake so is the session cookie changed on each pageload ? 474477;1391351213;KRS-;Load balanced web servers would associate that cookie to one particular web server, if the load balancer stategy isn't carefully chosen (if possible) when the load balancer shifts traffic the cookie could become invalid beecause another web server doesn't know about the cookie. 474478;1391351226;nubbins`;^ 474479;1391351231;mircea_popescu;KRS- inasmuch as they all run your code they all know about the cookie. 474480;1391351232;nubbins`;have seen this 474481;1391351234;pankkake;no, it doesn't change, that's the point 474482;1391351240;mircea_popescu;pankkake well that's fucktarded. 474483;1391351261;pankkake;unless you store session data in it, but usually it's just a secret ID 474484;1391351286;nubbins`;had to troubleshoot a web app once where there was a round-robin load balancing setup. each new page request launched a new session, up to a max of 3 (the number of servers) 474485;1391351299;KRS-;I've dealt with this problem before. You have to carefully pick a load balanced strategy or pick another session persistence. 474486;1391351300;mircea_popescu;why so much derp ;/ 474487;1391351315;pankkake;the session cookie isn't kept. if you close the browser, it's removed, etc. 474488;1391351361;pankkake;it's a poor's man stateful over stateless crap 474489;1391351362;nubbins`;what are you guys talking about, anyway 474490;1391351371;mircea_popescu;very poor man. 474491;1391351388;KRS-;This is my kind of it work, not much of a developer..love this stuffl. 474492;1391351389;mircea_popescu;today we learn nubbins` doth not read the logs 474493;1391351401;nubbins`;i read like halfway through today 474494;1391351407;nubbins`;lotta noise ;( 474495;1391351415;KRS-;pankkake gets it =D 474496;1391351423;KRS-;sysadmin pankkake? 474497;1391351423;pankkake;but the auth cookie thing is interesting. it wouldn't be so hard to write a more secure implementation that most of what's out there 474498;1391351432;KRS-;true 474499;1391351439;nubbins`;oh jeez, literally right before i joined 474500;1391351441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00093336 = 16.0538 BTC [+] {2} 474501;1391351441;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.16366666 = 0.3273 BTC [-] 474502;1391351442;pankkake;sysadmin for fun and dev for work, basically 474503;1391351462;KRS-;ya its hard to find work as sysadmin where I live, but the work lasts a very long time. 474504;1391351467;KRS-;secure 474505;1391351533;nubbins`;so let's suppose the user loses their old cookie, what then? 474506;1391351539;KRS-;sign back in 474507;1391351559;KRS-;unless like pankkake said, its just a signed cookie not session 474508;1391351565;nubbins`;but http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#474411 474509;1391351586;nubbins`;you're no longer verifying it's anybody if the old cookie is gone, no? 474510;1391351627;pankkake;ooh actually I wrote something like it earlier, without thinking much about it. the auth cookie has an expiration, but at every session cookie recreation, the auth cookie is refreshed 474511;1391351650;nubbins`;sure, but suppose the user clears his cookies. 474512;1391351650;pankkake;so it allows auth cookies that still expire fast, while not forcing you to relogin if you visit the site often 474513;1391351669;pankkake;well any cookie removal logs you out obviously 474514;1391351680;KRS-;mitm comes to mind 474515;1391351685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6651 @ 0.00093273 = 6.2036 BTC [-] 474516;1391351708;nubbins`;so you can verify it's the same user logging in each time, unless they perform a relatively common, semmingly benign action, like clearing their cookies 474517;1391351739;nubbins`;why even bother with all the hocus pocus? 474518;1391351766;KRS-;maybe to incorporate the salt+nonce that mircea_popescu was talking about? 474519;1391351777;KRS-;not sure 474520;1391351782;pankkake;it's a way to ensure you only have fresh cookies - stealing old cookies cannot work 474521;1391351802;pankkake;helps prevent replay attacks… kinda 474522;1391351807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15766 @ 0.0009273 = 14.6198 BTC [-] 474523;1391351807;nubbins`;hm 474524;1391351818;pankkake;it's not going to be very good 474525;1391351853;nubbins`;seems like rubber bands and paperclips 474526;1391351862;pankkake;when I did implement that thing, it was more because I wanted cookies to expire in a smarter way 474527;1391351873;nubbins`;if you're that worried, just let the auth cookies expire after a half hour. 474528;1391351921;nubbins`;there's no "keep me logged in" checkbox on my bank's website 474529;1391351939;nubbins`;if you're worried about cookies being stolen, there should be no such checkbox on your site either 474530;1391351956;pankkake;my bank is using RC4 "encryption" 474531;1391351975;pankkake;128 bit too 474532;1391351986;pankkake;and if you try to force it to do something else, it rejects you 474533;1391352003;pankkake;lol, banks 474534;1391352122;nubbins`;when i lived in korea, my bank required that i ran an activex control, had a cookie stored on a usb thumb drive, and asked for two separate five-digit codes from a list of about 50 that were provided as a wallet-sized card 474535;1391352129;nubbins`;before i could even enter my card number :o 474536;1391352159;nubbins`;such intentions, many fail, etc 474537;1391352167;asciilifeform;ah, korea, land of eternal IE6. 474538;1391352170;nubbins`;^ 474539;1391352172;KRS-;why RC4 474540;1391352189;KRS-;securing transport layer is hard anyway 474541;1391352220;pankkake;mircea_popescu: http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/en/latest/api/authentication.html see reissue_time, it looks like those guys thought of it too :) 474542;1391352259;pankkake;KRS-: probably because of the BEAST attack, but they must have botched the configuration 474543;1391352287;KRS-;hopefully they are using it together with another mechanism, which is probably the case and would be just fine. 474544;1391352296;pankkake;no, they are very incompetent 474545;1391352303;KRS-;seems to be the case everywhere.. 474546;1391352319;pankkake;1) it's a bank 2) it's a FRENCH bank 3) their website reeks incompetence 474547;1391352366;KRS-;pankkake I've done a lot of consulting...from the private sector to government..none of them got it right. I imagine the big guys do like BOA, Google, etc. 474548;1391352418;pankkake;sadly the gpg over http projects seem to go nowhere 474549;1391352442;KRS-;One exception was the Florida Turnpike Enterprise (a private business implementation of a government roadway function to accept tolls and what not)..they had a firm grasp on I.T. security from their payment processor to their wireless roadway nodes..I was very impressed. 474550;1391352460;KRS-;Ya wonder why that is..it seems pretty solid to me. 474551;1391352532;nubbins`;years ago i did maintenance on a lottery corporation website 474552;1391352538;nubbins`;THEY had security figured out 474553;1391352555;pankkake;CACert allows you to authenticate with a browser certificate, though. I don't know any other website allowing it 474554;1391352664;mircea_popescu;pankkake too late, ima post it. 474555;1391352684;nubbins`;i should take a dump before the gym 474556;1391352687;pankkake;post what? 474557;1391352854;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2014/02/nsa-gchq-quisquater.pdf 474558;1391352960;nubbins`;nice formatting ;( 474559;1391352978;asciilifeform;nubbins`: not mine 474560;1391353088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6912 @ 0.00093379 = 6.4544 BTC [+] 474561;1391353142;mircea_popescu;nubbins` that korea story reminds me of playing old z80 games 474562;1391353157;mircea_popescu;"please look in your manual to continue moving larry around the lounge" 474563;1391353208;KRS-;pankkake: probably because the CA cert won't complete the certificate chain for the general public. The cert would have to be signed by a custom CA I think. 474564;1391353235;nubbins`;lel yeah 474565;1391353249;nubbins`;"to continue sir graham's quest, type the 8th word on page 5" 474566;1391353250;mircea_popescu; seems like rubber bands and paperclips << it's fucking stateful http. It WOULD be. 474567;1391353254;KRS-;large intranets would prob use that 474568;1391353273;nubbins`;anyway, time to strap myself to a torture machine for an hour, seeya 474569;1391353279;KRS-;c ya 474570;1391353332;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00092794 = 11.2745 BTC [-] 474571;1391354517;water4ll;who is trading S.MPOE? 474572;1391354595;jurov;water4ll, there were ~40 new mpex accounts last month alone 474573;1391354616;jurov;plus others via coinbr 474574;1391354618;water4ll;I'm just a little surprised at consistent trading volume 474575;1391354632;mircea_popescu;why is consistent trading volume surprising ? 474576;1391354644;water4ll;well it's a higher barrier to entry than say havelock 474577;1391354650;water4ll;even with broker 474578;1391354671;jurov;i'd say the barrier motivates people to take care of their assets 474579;1391354691;water4ll;and high value traded too, none of that 0.05btc nonsense 474580;1391354694;water4ll;always 10,20 etc 474581;1391354701;mircea_popescu;water4ll yes, the fact that mpex is a respectable exchange makes it have consistent volume 474582;1391354705;mircea_popescu;unlike all the scamexchanges to date. 474583;1391354711;mircea_popescu;what in there is surprising ? 474584;1391354727;water4ll;seems a lot of inflated volume 474585;1391354755;mircea_popescu;Feb 02 05:05:26 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 588 @ 0.00093125 = 0.5476 BTC [+] 474586;1391354761;mircea_popescu;it happens, but apparently not too often. 474587;1391354779;mircea_popescu;water4ll listen, there's a difference between "i don't want X to be true and therefore i'll say things" and "X is surprising". 474588;1391354780;jurov;water4ll, i'm doing S.MPOE/BBET-PT passthrough payout and in 3 months so far only half of people went through it 474589;1391354796;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 30 @ 0.005 = 0.15 BTC 474590;1391354798;jurov;it clearly shows they don't give a fuck 474591;1391354805;jurov;unlike on mpex 474592;1391354818;water4ll;jurov": what do you mean? via coinbr? 474593;1391354818;jurov;they paid (or have to pay monthly) 474594;1391354838;jurov;yes, it's the passthrought from BTCT 474595;1391354849;water4ll;BTCT I thought closed down some time ago 474596;1391354854;water4ll;oh nvm 474597;1391354856;water4ll;got t 474598;1391354858;mircea_popescu;wow you still struggling with that ?! 474599;1391354863;water4ll;lol 474600;1391354871;water4ll;hard to keep track these days 474601;1391354872;mircea_popescu;poor jurov lol 474602;1391354873;jurov;yes, i just left it there 474603;1391354878;water4ll;glbse bitfunder 474604;1391354880;jurov;no additional expense 474605;1391354964;jurov;hey everyone who was on btct, try checking here: https://coinbr.com/btct/nampt_1 474606;1391354980;jurov;maybe you'll get a surprise ;) 474607;1391355017;jurov;and if you want to try coinbr, you have free 1 month till next monthly fee and 1 free withdrawal 474608;1391355029;mircea_popescu;now that's an idea 474609;1391355034;mircea_popescu;prolly best advertised on forum tho 474610;1391355055;jurov;oh, it was announced there when I put it online\ 474611;1391355062;jurov;and then again and again 474612;1391355074;jurov;they just cnat raed 474613;1391355110;mircea_popescu;why would theyu right ? 474614;1391355123;mircea_popescu;like that jimmothy fellow. "ingore everything that's said, quote wikipedia" 474615;1391355145;mircea_popescu;anyway, http://trilema.com/2014/your-cookies-are-borkt-seriously/ if anyone would like to critique. 474616;1391355183;water4ll;mircea_popescu: how many articles do you pump out daily? 474617;1391355203;mircea_popescu;been averaging 1-2 in 2013. 474618;1391355230;mircea_popescu;bout where it is, 30-60 a month. 474619;1391355234;water4ll;Wow 474620;1391355253;mircea_popescu;lol you think that's wow, talk to benkay. i think he's done thirty this week. 474621;1391355263;water4ll;I tried to write a blog once, after 5 minutes I found myself opening some new tabs 474622;1391355322;mircea_popescu;to quote george for you, "They're men with jobs, Jerry! ... They're married, they have secretaries." 474623;1391355331;water4ll;http://samy.pl/evercookie/ 474624;1391355371;mircea_popescu;that sounds like the clap not a cookie. 474625;1391355437;water4ll;they are both persistent 474626;1391355647;ThickerThanThiev;I'm also not savvy on cookies, but my naive question is, why doesn't the browser manage user auth? 474627;1391355662;pankkake;mircea_popescu: your irc copy paste is broken, the last part is about using RC4, and not related to the rest 474628;1391355676;mircea_popescu;oh 474629;1391355678;pankkake;i.e. anything after "Probably because of the BEAST attack" 474630;1391355699;water4ll;crime more concern than beast 474631;1391355700;mircea_popescu;so is psylon a french bank ? 474632;1391355728;pankkake;pylons is a web framework, sort of 474633;1391355749;pankkake;I don't know why you mangled those two things together 474634;1391355750;mircea_popescu;that's nice, had too much quite in there anyway. check it ? 474635;1391355760;mircea_popescu;why, because i'm doing fifty things that;s why. 474636;1391355772;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 474637;1391355780;mircea_popescu;be glad i don't accidentally insert nudes in rndom tech articles or something. 474638;1391355793;pankkake;that would be less confusing 474639;1391355813;water4ll;mircea_popescu: I think it's time 474640;1391355844;mircea_popescu;"it too :)" alligns with "probably" on the next line in my view. so i just read over krs and thus it formed one line. 474641;1391355850;water4ll;has anybody got the address of rpietila's new private bitcoin forum 474642;1391355859;mircea_popescu;lmao 474643;1391355874;mircea_popescu;you can't have that unless you post a pic with a bunch of junk metal all over your head. 474644;1391355891;water4ll;i sent shoe on head pic to him via pm 474645;1391355902;water4ll;nobody here invited? 474646;1391355914;mircea_popescu;sorry man. can't share it without the pic. 474647;1391355918;mircea_popescu;that's what he said. 474648;1391355946;water4ll;http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=v3f1c8&s=5 474649;1391356082;mircea_popescu;you're a pregnant woman. 474650;1391356090;water4ll;http://trilema.com/2014/why-do-gentlemen-prefer-blondes/ 474651;1391356104;water4ll;she said the 3rd is the cutest 474652;1391356115;water4ll;whatever brand of animal these are 474653;1391356124;water4ll;but you can barely see it 474654;1391356130;water4ll;it's covered by the other one 474655;1391356132;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/lectie-comasata-atit-de-decadentism-cit-si-de-bogatie-de-lux/ the shit i find. champagne float. 474656;1391356146;water4ll;I have to be frugal with these links 474657;1391356152;mircea_popescu;yeah srsly. 474658;1391356167;water4ll;open cupboard is bare 474659;1391356168;mircea_popescu;or go mine some ATC and trade it for BTC to buy Trilema credits with 474660;1391356173;mircea_popescu;a crypto economy! 474661;1391356176;water4ll;need to travel pickup few precious trilemna credits 474662;1391356199;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.02900003 = 0.377 BTC [-] {4} 474663;1391356216;water4ll;mircea_popescu: will you stay in romania for remainder of your life? 474664;1391356238;mircea_popescu;i've only come here recently. i was in cr/central america for a few years. 474665;1391356247;mircea_popescu;the us before that, etc. 474666;1391356260;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02895 = 0.3474 BTC [-] {3} 474667;1391356266;water4ll;I had known some guys from romania, they couldn't wait to leave. for places like HK 474668;1391356309;water4ll;I've not been personally 474669;1391356318;mircea_popescu;how old were they ? 474670;1391356321;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 474671;1391356329;water4ll;some in early 20's some in 30's 474672;1391356345;water4ll;very enterprising bunch 474673;1391356361;mircea_popescu;were they poor ? were they married ? 474674;1391356370;water4ll;well they started selling potatoes 474675;1391356396;water4ll;so initially poor, but now mostly have plenty of $ 474676;1391356402;mircea_popescu;in short : why should it be surprising that socially and sexually unattached young males wish to travel ? of course they would, if they're healthy. 474677;1391356412;kakobrekla;hey 474678;1391356418;kakobrekla;we are getting assraped here 474679;1391356419;water4ll;not so much travel, because they don't have intention of coming back 474680;1391356425;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla waitwut ? 474681;1391356439;mircea_popescu;water4ll that's travel. 474682;1391356441;kakobrekla;whole country = code red 474683;1391356446;mircea_popescu;snow ? 474684;1391356450;kakobrekla;yes 474685;1391356453;kakobrekla;ice 474686;1391356457;mircea_popescu;you don't deserve it. 474687;1391356460;kakobrekla;no power no nothing. 474688;1391356462;kakobrekla;no water 474689;1391356463;water4ll;where is snow? 474690;1391356472;mircea_popescu;you got snow right ? whatcha mean no water. 474691;1391356482;kakobrekla;from the pipes! 474692;1391356485;water4ll;kakobrekia: which country? 474693;1391356491;kakobrekla;slovenia 474694;1391356515;mircea_popescu;take girl out, remove bra, put snow on her, obtain water from the titties. 474695;1391356519;mircea_popescu;better than water from the pipes. 474696;1391356523;water4ll;wow it looks so beautiful 474697;1391356526;kakobrekla;anyway, im on my last ups now and its running low, so i might be offline for a day or three 474698;1391356532;mircea_popescu;jesus. 474699;1391356535;mircea_popescu;listen, come over. 474700;1391356538;water4ll;just a ps soon 474701;1391356560;kakobrekla;im not driving in this weather 474702;1391356565;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 474703;1391356566;mircea_popescu;well i can't teleport you 474704;1391356571;mircea_popescu;there's no power there. 474705;1391356572;kakobrekla;yes sucks. 474706;1391356577;kakobrekla;hehe 474707;1391356593;deadweasel;snowmobile? 474708;1391356602;deadweasel;:P 474709;1391356613;mircea_popescu;exercise 1 hr, irc 5 minutes 474710;1391356622;mircea_popescu;a week later, kako looks like peyton manning 474711;1391356635;kakobrekla;lmao 474712;1391356656;water4ll;kako 'mr legs' brekla 474713;1391356668;mircea_popescu;the best part of any frog. 474714;1391356797;mircea_popescu;http://www.montrealgazette.com/travel/Thousands+without+electricity+Slovenia+weather+also+causes/9459657/story.html 474715;1391356802;mircea_popescu;pic looks good. 474716;1391356818;water4ll;I love the snow 474717;1391356826;water4ll;isn't it exciting? 474718;1391356847;water4ll;even better when trails are cancelled and lights go out 474719;1391356887;mircea_popescu;yeah well, some people got shit to do. 474720;1391356937;water4ll;I just use as excuse to smoke in train toilet 474721;1391356951;water4ll;then you can relax and read a book or something 474722;1391356974;water4ll;makes a change to normal dailly routine 474723;1391356998;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla think about it tho. here everything's fine, snow is melting. you can see the ground. 474724;1391357004;water4ll;the water in slovenia is so clean 474725;1391357010;mircea_popescu;sucks to drive for a few hours but what if you're stuck there for 2 weeks 474726;1391357060;water4ll;I don't understand why you can be trapped anywhere in the snow 474727;1391357112;water4ll;wow 474728;1391357113;water4ll;http://www.darioendara.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/22-Slovenia-snow-horse.jpg 474729;1391357117;water4ll;look at this snow horse 474730;1391357175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9940 @ 0.00093092 = 9.2533 BTC [+] {2} 474731;1391357345;kakobrekla;ok, going back dark, wish me luck. 474732;1391357348;kakobrekla;cya 474733;1391357356;water4ll;stay strong 474734;1391357535;jurov;kakobrekla, no trains either? here we have a little ice, but no such problems 474735;1391357552;jurov;just go to vienna and from there 474736;1391357594;jurov;gone ... 474737;1391357607;water4ll;been consumed by an avalanche 474738;1391357663;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00092823 = 7.2402 BTC [-] 474739;1391357682;mircea_popescu;apparently railroads are blocked too 474740;1391357688;mircea_popescu;serbia can't move into hungary etc 474741;1391357705;water4ll;what's the problem, stock up on wood and candles and food 474742;1391357788;jurov;but if you heat by electricity... 474743;1391357826;jurov;and slovenia has usually mild climate, they don't have gas/central heaters everywhere like here 474744;1391357864;water4ll;oh 474745;1391358517;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13000 @ 0.00011108 = 1.444 BTC [+] {6} 474746;1391358554;ThickerThanThiev;During Fiscal Year 2013, the Bureau of Engraving and Printing delivered approximately 26 million notes a day with a face value of approximately $1.3 billion. About 90 percent of the notes are used to replace notes already in, or taken out of circulation. 474747;1391358564;ThickerThanThiev;How do you replace a note already in circulation? 474748;1391358671;ThickAsThieves; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4887312#msg4887312 << seems they've decided it's called ALT not ATC. <<< The hear wants what the hear wants! 474749;1391358681;ThickAsThieves;heart* 474750;1391358682;mircea_popescu;indeed. 474751;1391358748;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves what they mean is "notes are used to either send to consumers which sell us burned/destroyed paper money, or else to banks or other institutions that have the authority to remove paper from circulation" 474752;1391358754;mircea_popescu;but reporter can't write. 474753;1391358792;ThickAsThieves;its from the the official website 474754;1391358793;ThickAsThieves;hehe 474755;1391358815;ThickAsThieves;great domain too http://www.moneyfactory.gov/uscurrency/annualproductionfigures.html 474756;1391358851;mircea_popescu;yeah, great indeed. 474757;1391358861;ThickAsThieves;is there a counter like the National Debt Clock for dollar dilution? 474758;1391358877;ThickAsThieves;thats all i'm looking for really 474759;1391358891;mircea_popescu;no. 474760;1391358897;mircea_popescu;they ceased publishing the m3 in 2005 474761;1391358902;mircea_popescu;becase "it wasn't interesting" 474762;1391358914;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding the only time i heard someone in this channel wanting some sort of info from the usg 474763;1391358923;mircea_popescu;it was you wanting the m3 above. 474764;1391358944;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 233 @ 0.00083501 = 0.1946 BTC [-] {2} 474765;1391359005;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1767 @ 0.00082157 = 1.4517 BTC [-] {11} 474766;1391359033;ThickAsThieves;the clock wouldnt tell the whole story anyway I guess, but would still be an easy way to show US people clearly what happens 474767;1391359047;ThickAsThieves;people really dont understand money gets printed daily 474768;1391359052;ThickAsThieves;NEW money 474769;1391359084;mircea_popescu;people understand all too well they do not wish to understand this if they wish to continue whatever it is they're doing. 474770;1391359086;mircea_popescu;so... no. 474771;1391359127;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14500 @ 0.00011141 = 1.6154 BTC [+] {2} 474772;1391359188;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 180 @ 0.00082 = 0.1476 BTC [-] {3} 474773;1391359249;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00011142 = 0.1671 BTC [+] 474774;1391359493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00092659 = 8.8953 BTC [-] {2} 474775;1391359643;ThickAsThieves;So am I correct in stating the USG reports there exists approx $11,000,000,000,000? 474776;1391359645;ThickAsThieves;http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h6/current/default.htm 474777;1391359721;ThickAsThieves;which would be $500,000,000 new dollars in 2013? 474778;1391359777;ThickAsThieves;wait 474779;1391359793;ThickAsThieves;$500,000,000,000 474780;1391359799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27060 @ 0.00093135 = 25.2023 BTC [+] {2} 474781;1391359868;chetty;What dollars? They are just 1's&0's in computers somewhere - oh wait thats btc, oh wait .. 474782;1391359931;ThickAsThieves;i'm just trying to understand the money supply better 474783;1391359939;ThickAsThieves;not which of it is paper 474784;1391359968;KRS-;i think i'm going to change careers..i want to become a rapper. 474785;1391359982;ThickAsThieves;have you ever rapped before? 474786;1391359983;KRS-;what are my chances 474787;1391359984;KRS-;no 474788;1391359994;KRS-;but i like rap 474789;1391359999;ThickAsThieves;lol 474790;1391360004;ThickAsThieves;do you like pizza? 474791;1391360006;KRS-;thats how some people are these days with I.T. 474792;1391360009;ThickAsThieves;maybe you should become one of those 474793;1391360014;KRS-;ikr 474794;1391360035;KRS-;"oh i can click shit and run the wizard" "I is a computer expert" 474795;1391360041;ThickAsThieves;Windows Exper 474796;1391360042;ThickAsThieves;t 474797;1391360048;KRS-;dime a dozen 474798;1391360076;ThickAsThieves;depends where you are 474799;1391360090;ThickAsThieves;like if you work in a retirement home 474800;1391360097;ThickAsThieves;WIndows Experts are pretty useful 474801;1391360115;ThickAsThieves;or a numkber of small nonprofits 474802;1391360117;KRS-;worked at this one company where upper IT management thought they were all hot shit like that but had no idea of the underlying concepts 474803;1391360137;KRS-;then went running to the dev's for support 474804;1391360174;KRS-;and took credit for the effiencies, increased sales and gains 474805;1391360177;ThickAsThieves;I had to give this one adult day health care place all new staff emails twice in two years because staff turnover and "but they wanna use their Yahoo" 474806;1391360189;KRS-;hah 474807;1391360276;KRS-;the best was a nonprofit i consulted for..the 68 yo CFO was telling me how to do my job..needless to say i didnt service them past the initial 2-3 visits. 474808;1391360284;ThickAsThieves;small business web hosting mostly consists of "I lost my iPhone can you get my email back the new one?" and "Why are erection pill ads on my home page?" 474809;1391360330;ThickAsThieves;old people really dont trust IT people at all 474810;1391360333;KRS-;haha ya or the formatting isnt quite right on my spreadsheet or word document 474811;1391360348;ThickAsThieves;probly from being burned by all the expert nephews and windows experts 474812;1391360360;KRS-;ya i guess i cant blame them..much incompetence out there. 474813;1391360408;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.50889948 BTC to 444 shares, 114617 satoshi per share 474814;1391360439;KRS-;other SMB's have been great, long time clients, low workload, worked 2-4 days a week on average and made great money..thinking about going that route again, i just hate selling myself..maybe i can get a marketing company to do that. 474815;1391360453;ThickAsThieves;a ha "There was approximately $1.23 trillion in circulation as of January 29, 2014, of which $1.18 trillion was in Federal Reserve notes." 474816;1391360460;KRS-;ouch 474817;1391360460;ThickAsThieves;http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_12773.htm 474818;1391360487;ThickAsThieves;i cant sort how these numbers add up though 474819;1391360488;KRS-;see the news lately, DOW and other markets are looking flaky 474820;1391360497;KRS-;most US currnecy overseas 474821;1391360581;ThickAsThieves;like, how doe sthe first report show $11t, the second say 1.23t, and the debt clock say $17.st 474822;1391360591;KRS-;smoke and mirrors dude 474823;1391360608;ThickAsThieves;nah there has to be some sort of path through the math 474824;1391360614;ThickAsThieves;made up or not 474825;1391360625;KRS-;..was going to say if you want to trust those numbers. 474826;1391360642;ThickAsThieves;it is has to add up somewhere right? 474827;1391360646;KRS-;the government has been pulling back i hear 474828;1391360661;ThickAsThieves;maybe the simple answer is to just use the largest one 474829;1391360665;KRS-;ThickAsThieves: it does. Its carefully scrutinized, but where you go for the numbers are for those in the know. 474830;1391360670;KRS-;Pretty sure. 474831;1391360679;KRS-;Like labor statistics..published vs unpublished. 474832;1391360702;ThickAsThieves;if we owe $17.25t then that is probly the minimum amount of dollars, no? 474833;1391360706;ThickAsThieves;printed or not 474834;1391360727;KRS-;you would think 474835;1391360735;KRS-;Either way its a bad situation. 474836;1391360764;ThickAsThieves;i'm looking for an easy way to educate my circles on dollar inflation and dilution 474837;1391360782;KRS-;is that of benefit to you? 474838;1391360784;ThickAsThieves;i want them to undestand they do not have $X in the bank 474839;1391360791;KRS-;oh for proper investment? 474840;1391360804;ThickAsThieves;and that tomorrow, they will have less $ in the bank whether they withdraw or not 474841;1391360810;KRS-;I'm sure serious investors already know this. 474842;1391360818;KRS-;I'm sure most investors do. 474843;1391360819;ThickAsThieves;this is for friends and family 474844;1391360827;KRS-;ah ..another story. 474845;1391360831;KRS-;Good 474846;1391360835;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.00082 = 1.64 BTC [-] {2} 474847;1391360836;ThickAsThieves;its total ignirance out there man 474848;1391360838;ThickAsThieves;ignorance 474849;1391360856;KRS-;You aint kidding...got similar family like that thinking their 401k's are fine and all. 474850;1391360861;KRS-;They wont even listen to me. 474851;1391360862;ThickAsThieves;or at least what mp says total ignore-ance 474852;1391360884;mircea_popescu;yeah i was gonna say, glwt but it ain't happening/ 474853;1391360892;mircea_popescu;that's why family is best organised as slaves in a harem 474854;1391360896;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 11131 @ 0.00011144 = 1.2404 BTC [+] {2} 474855;1391360899;mircea_popescu;you tell them what to do and are done with it. 474856;1391360926;mircea_popescu;with ppl as they are, even picking a fucking place to eat takes tw odays. 474857;1391360941;mircea_popescu;by the time you explain the situation to them you could have made more money than their aggregate savings by just... working. 474858;1391360958;mircea_popescu;like, doing something useful. which explaining stuff to idiots rarely is. 474859;1391360964;KRS-;heh 474860;1391360965;ThickAsThieves;you are so right about picking place to eat! 474861;1391360967;KRS-;so true man 474862;1391360972;ThickAsThieves;when we travel, 474863;1391360980;KRS-;give people a choice and it is teh fucks up everything 474864;1391360986;mircea_popescu;dude, you just yell "on your knees" and everyone is on their knees. 474865;1391360989;ThickAsThieves;I pre-choose every mean place before we even get to the airport 474866;1391360991;mircea_popescu;makes things so fucking easy. 474867;1391361002;ThickAsThieves;meal* 474868;1391361018;KRS-;people actually want to be told imo 474869;1391361019;chetty;It does not have to add up. THey don't think the masses can do math so they bother with things like that 474870;1391361043;ThickAsThieves;so you guys are saying there really is no answer? 474871;1391361060;mircea_popescu;chetty actually, banks came up with clown&baloon patterns for the back of cheques, i wonder how long till your actual bank statment is in pictures 474872;1391361062;ThickAsThieves;that there are vastly conflicting ways to count the money? 474873;1391361064;mircea_popescu;numbers being racist and all. 474874;1391361097;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#474726 474875;1391361111;nubbins`;^ sounds like it doesn't snow where that guy lives 474876;1391361115;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves there are in fact vastly different ways to ACCOUNT. 474877;1391361116;mircea_popescu;"Those assets that he had, they were in fact somehow valued. On one approach to valuation, they came out X. On another approach to valuation, they came out Y. Theres little convergence between the series of Xs and Ys." 474878;1391361119;lippoper;I want ozbot back 474879;1391361140;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1300 @ 0.00011529 = 0.1499 BTC [+] {6} 474880;1391361141;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12819 @ 0.00093299 = 11.96 BTC [+] 474881;1391361148;ThickAsThieves;sure, but how do i sort out what a dollar is worth, ignoring outside inflations 474882;1391361153;mircea_popescu;you don't. 474883;1391361155;chetty;Some congress critter said they need to do weather reports in eubonics, thats why so many in NO didn't leave, they didn't understand. 474884;1391361163;mircea_popescu;how do you sort out what the word "it" means, ignoring outside inflations ? 474885;1391361195;ThickAsThieves;by striclty looking at money creation changes 474886;1391361201;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00011907 = 0.2381 BTC [+] {9} 474887;1391361217;mircea_popescu;the reason pure mercantilist views are derided by ws today is sound tho. 474888;1391361228;mircea_popescu;you're trying to live in 1700, which doesn't work. 474889;1391361267;ThickAsThieves;i want to be be able to form a sentence like "If we print the same amount of money in 2014 as 2013, your $1 with be worth .82" 474890;1391361268;mircea_popescu;the us dollar is a negotiable credit instrument, like any paper. it does not have this "fixed" value you wish toassign it. 474891;1391361276;mircea_popescu;yes, but you can't form that stance. 474892;1391361285;mircea_popescu;and if you could, i could write a bot to exploit your currency and make me rich 474893;1391361290;mircea_popescu;rendering your statement false in the process. 474894;1391361307;mircea_popescu;(this, incidentally, is largely what soros vs bank of england was all about) 474895;1391361313;ThickAsThieves;that implies things happen to icrease dollar value no? 474896;1391361336;mircea_popescu;that implies that the exchange value of a negotiable instrument is only known after the negotiation completes. 474897;1391361347;nubbins`;^ 474898;1391361363;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ 474899;1391361370;nubbins`;you don't know what the value of your white tamagotchi is until some sucker buys it 474900;1391361373;mircea_popescu;"The problem inflationary currency bestows upon capital allocators is insolvable. They are given money of no certain value (pretty much the only sure thing about the paper currency is that it is, literally, burning in your hands, it ticks away like a bomb, it blows in the wind like dust - all this while youre holding it) and have to do something with it. They always, always, always, absolutely always have more than 474901;1391361373;mircea_popescu;is in fact needed." 474902;1391361383;nubbins`;and even then, that only settles the question of what YOUR white tama was worth. 474903;1391361385;mircea_popescu;that "no certain value" is in there for a reason. 474904;1391361386;nubbins`;to one guy, even. 474905;1391361428;ThickAsThieves;ugh 474906;1391361475;ThickAsThieves;I get it, I do, but this is not easy to communicate to normals 474907;1391361480;mircea_popescu;myeah. 474908;1391361490;mircea_popescu;which is why normals can't make exchanges, or ipos, or etc. 474909;1391361507;mircea_popescu;nor can they understand WHY is it that you won't let them. 474910;1391361514;mircea_popescu;obviously, it's because scam and racist. 474911;1391361555;ThickAsThieves;why the fuck is the phenomenon that uneducated think complicated info is untrustworthy 474912;1391361573;mircea_popescu;if you think about it, that's the stable game-theoretic solution. 474913;1391361578;ThickAsThieves;like if i rant on all this to my mom, she'll think i'm a conspiracy theorist 474914;1391361603;mircea_popescu;what should your server do with requests it doesn't comprehend ? a. drop them b. anything else. 474915;1391361621;ThickAsThieves;well your server is a slave right 474916;1391361626;ThickAsThieves;it does what you tell it to 474917;1391361642;mircea_popescu;well it'd better not be enough of a whore to do anything any user tells it. 474918;1391361651;mircea_popescu;ideally it's your slave, as you have the ssh 474919;1391361652;nubbins`;are you asking why people don't trust things they don't understand? :( 474920;1391361654;ThickAsThieves;the risk with slaves! 474921;1391361683;ThickAsThieves;well i dont necessarily want to conversate about that aspect nubbins 474922;1391361687;asciilifeform;'Postel's Law,' that historic mistake. 474923;1391361691;mircea_popescu;iirc jurov was trying some experiments with giving anon users root on the box or something 474924;1391361698;nubbins`;not much to converse about :D 474925;1391361713;nubbins`;or conversate, for that matter ;p 474926;1391361764;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually postel's is great for the web. it's just that the web is NOT great for "anything" 474927;1391361777;mircea_popescu;and that's what the fucktarded altchainers have been doing to the internet, try to make everything out of web 474928;1391361795;mircea_popescu;just like some insane dood at your favourite eatery, where you once had some marzipan and like it. 474929;1391361810;mircea_popescu;next time you visit it's all like "yo dawg! i hear yu like marzipan so now I made everything out of marzipan! 474930;1391361819;mircea_popescu;like... the steak. the milk. YOUR CHAIR" 474931;1391361838;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik, postel's law came out of electronics, where you want to emit clear 'high' or 'low' voltage but do something other than choke & die if you're given a weird glitch (something in between) 474932;1391361845;mircea_popescu;make everything out of web, make everything out of blockchains, make everything out of etc. 474933;1391361848;ThickAsThieves;they in their own type of Kink High, let them play! 474934;1391361867;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform also a web-ish sort of situation. 474935;1391361924;asciilifeform;exactly. we had 'Muller's gate' in the '50s, with 'ready' signals. but nobody uses. 474936;1391361962;mircea_popescu;basically, <KRS-> has it : people actually want to be told 474937;1391362147;nubbins`;ugh, i find myself in the unenviable position of having funds in my paypal account that i wish to convert to btc 474938;1391362160;nubbins`;this has literally never happened before D: 474939;1391362187;ThickAsThieves;people want to be told > thus rely on trust > thus capitalism becomes great liar 474940;1391362207;mircea_popescu;nah, a model where 90% of the population trusts 10% in chunks of ~10 individuals, and then in turn and hten in turn 474941;1391362213;mircea_popescu;is pretty much the most stable thing in nature. 474942;1391362233;mircea_popescu;you need about a dozen or so tiers and you're golden. 474943;1391362275;mircea_popescu;the problem we have now is with the nationalist state of napoleon (and the us which is really just a pale copy) having successfully attacked this natural wot 474944;1391362286;mircea_popescu;with the result of 99.99999% trusting 0.00001% 474945;1391362290;mircea_popescu;with just one tier you're fucked. 474946;1391362305;ThickAsThieves;is it even possible to prevent? 474947;1391362318;mircea_popescu;it's a self-limiting condition. 474948;1391362329;mircea_popescu;and teh time's tick tock. 474949;1391362393;ThickAsThieves;i mean in general, is a wot's compromise inevitable 474950;1391362405;mircea_popescu;my read of history shows it is, yes. 474951;1391362410;mircea_popescu;game theory indicates it is, too 474952;1391362425;mircea_popescu;the nation model only emerges in situations where "the right thing" is plainly obvious 474953;1391362434;mircea_popescu;these are necessarily limited in time and exceptional. 474954;1391362467;ThickAsThieves;so the compromise of bitcoin is inevitable 474955;1391362480;mircea_popescu;how do you mean ? 474956;1391362488;ThickAsThieves;it is a wot, no? 474957;1391362492;ThickAsThieves;miners mining 474958;1391362500;ThickAsThieves;people trusting the ledger 474959;1391362544;nubbins`;ehh.... 474960;1391362561;mircea_popescu;but look : ten people in boondocks, new jersey somewhere who heard of bitcoin are tier 1 474961;1391362568;mircea_popescu;they all know this guy down the street, and trust him cause he's cool 474962;1391362570;mircea_popescu;he's tier 2. 474963;1391362585;mircea_popescu;he knows of the wot, and keeps deals with some other people so he can buy/sell btc for his friends at home 474964;1391362586;mircea_popescu;there 474965;1391362588;ThickAsThieves;core devs core-developing ( i also shoulda have added ) 474966;1391362593;mircea_popescu;'s a guy that knows the mall and escrows for them 474967;1391362596;mircea_popescu;that guy is tier 3 474968;1391362601;mircea_popescu;these guys kind-of know each other 474969;1391362611;ThickAsThieves;but you are just making that all upo 474970;1391362613;ThickAsThieves;up 474971;1391362615;mircea_popescu;then one day mp wants to pay a girl in boondock, nj to wash his car with her tits 474972;1391362624;ThickAsThieves;i can make up tiers of compromise too 474973;1391362629;mircea_popescu;and the tier 3 guy goes "you know... you reall don't need to escrow mp 474974;1391362638;nubbins`;haha 474975;1391362642;nubbins`;"statistically speaking..." 474976;1391362650;mircea_popescu;im not making it up in that this has in fact happened. 474977;1391362654;nubbins`;nod 474978;1391362672;ThickAsThieves;yes but it does not counter the inevitable 474979;1391362672;nubbins`;fun fact, the Salty Spitoon is a restaurant in the Spongebob Squarepants cartoon 474980;1391362684;mircea_popescu;what'd be the inevitable ThickAsThieves ? 474981;1391362693;twizt;ty nubbins` 474982;1391362700;ThickAsThieves;that trusts systems are compromised on some timescale 474983;1391362703;nubbins`;np 474984;1391362703;twizt;not knowing that really bothered me for the last few days ;) 474985;1391362705;nubbins`;:) 474986;1391362710;ThickAsThieves;and i dont mean the earth exploding 474987;1391362717;nubbins`;i'm here to enlighten and occasionally mislead 474988;1391362718;mircea_popescu;i jus' don't see how this follows. 474989;1391362721;mircea_popescu;go into detail. 474990;1391362724;ThickAsThieves;for example 474991;1391362740;ThickAsThieves;i buy a GPU in tier 1, i mine, 474992;1391362752;ThickAsThieves;I buy an Erupter farm in tier 2 474993;1391362757;mircea_popescu;um 474994;1391362763;nubbins`;you can't be in both tiers 474995;1391362765;mircea_popescu;this doesn't seem to have anything to do with what i was saying 474996;1391362774;nubbins`;^ 474997;1391362795;ThickAsThieves;my point is that parties will seek to exp.loit the trust system 474998;1391362800;mircea_popescu;not really. 474999;1391362801;nubbins`;i think this went off the rails when tat stated that bitcoin is a web of trust 475000;1391362809;mircea_popescu;do your beer mates try to trick you into paying for their beer ? 475001;1391362815;ThickAsThieves;no 475002;1391362818;twizt;sometimes 475003;1391362823;mircea_popescu;right. parft of the definition of even beeing your mates 475004;1391362829;mircea_popescu;if they do you ditch them and get better ones. 475005;1391362837;mircea_popescu;now, suppose i need to evaluate 10mn beer drinkers. 475006;1391362840;mircea_popescu;can i do this ? how ? 475007;1391362843;twizt;or trick them into buying your weed 475008;1391362849;nubbins`;^ 475009;1391362850;mircea_popescu;simple : i ask all the people who know people who pay beer tabs. 475010;1391362852;mircea_popescu;3 tiers. 475011;1391362856;nubbins`;twizt, nobody falls for that trick 475012;1391362863;mircea_popescu;this is how i find women, incidentally. i don't go into bars. 475013;1391362869;mircea_popescu;i just know girls that know girls that know girls. 475014;1391362870;twizt;its like barter 475015;1391362873;twizt;i got ur cheap beer 475016;1391362876;twizt;u get me expensive weed 475017;1391362880;twizt;(well atleast in USA) 475018;1391362889;KRS-;I saw two dancers french kissing yesterday it was nice. 475019;1391362891;ThickAsThieves;we are zoomed in to different parts of the 'wot' 475020;1391362896;mircea_popescu;seems so. 475021;1391362897;ThickAsThieves;i never said trust cant be develped 475022;1391362907;ThickAsThieves;nor that a wot cant be trusted 475023;1391362908;nubbins`;twizt, weed costs about the same to grow as tomatoes 475024;1391362911;nubbins`;plant-for-plant 475025;1391362918;ThickAsThieves;simply that over time, a trust system breaks down 475026;1391362921;twizt;wish i could grow yo 475027;1391362921;mircea_popescu;it's more than trust, tho. it's about control. 475028;1391362923;ThickAsThieves;and bitcoin is probly no different 475029;1391362925;nubbins`;consider that an ounce of weed should cost the same as a dozen hothouse tomatoes 475030;1391362929;twizt;my life would be 100x easier 475031;1391362930;mircea_popescu;what people in your wot say controls what you do. 475032;1391362949;mircea_popescu;which makes the wot a distributed political system 475033;1391362963;mircea_popescu;it's just that "distributed" does not mean one to many, as the nationalist representation of bork would have it. 475034;1391362964;nubbins`;a wot is not a static thing 475035;1391362969;ThickAsThieves;and what if we vote into power the wrong powers 475036;1391362973;nubbins`;i could trust someone fully today 475037;1391362976;mircea_popescu;it means few to one which groups in few to one which groups in few to one etc. 475038;1391362985;nubbins`;and then tomorrow he tries to strike my wife 475039;1391362991;nubbins`;now i don't trust him at all 475040;1391362992;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves if YOU vote the wrong guy YOU are screwed. 475041;1391362997;nubbins`;and any wot in which we both exist has changed 475042;1391363019;ThickAsThieves;suppose bitfury has 66% of mining right now 475043;1391363023;mircea_popescu;this is kind-of the gist of the old mpoe-pr post re personal responsibility 475044;1391363025;ThickAsThieves;just in their back pocket 475045;1391363039;mircea_popescu;"if all idiots vote in the wot like it is a nationalistic election, you will get a wot that works like your fucking country" 475046;1391363071;nubbins`;i rate +3 the users i'm most likely to enjoy drinking a beer with" 475047;1391363115;nubbins`;feel free to add the missing " or remove the dangling one 475048;1391363138;nubbins`;tautology either way 475049;1391363219;twizt;sounds like a martingale to me 475050;1391363221;ThickAsThieves;another thing I have trouble with is how we can easily point out the problems with inflationary money, but when we discuss the problems with deflationary we stop at "well hopefully it calms down" 475051;1391363243;twizt;some people can be trust worthy 99% of the time, and the 1% of time they get sketchy 475052;1391363251;twizt;can out weigh the 99% of times they were 'good' 475053;1391363251;mircea_popescu;we do? 475054;1391363262;ThickAsThieves;last time it was a topic at least 475055;1391363274;mircea_popescu;this is not on my list. quote! 475056;1391363322;ThickAsThieves;plz hold 475057;1391363458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9349 @ 0.00092721 = 8.6685 BTC [-] 475058;1391363549;nubbins`;aha! paypal bucks sent, btc received 475059;1391363566;nubbins`;honestly thought it'd take longer 475060;1391363583;deadweasel;cool, now you can say you never rec'd and get your cash back! ;) 475061;1391363613;nubbins`;heheh 475062;1391363630;nubbins`;nah, this is a guy who i've traded casascius coins with before 475063;1391363648;deadweasel;glad he was trustworthy, twice! 475064;1391363653;ThickAsThieves;[18:10] we're kinda saying all spending of bitcoin is bad business, right? 475065;1391363653;ThickAsThieves;[18:10] yes 475066;1391363653;ThickAsThieves;[18:11] we're saying that the quick increase in the btc rate puts responsible, competent ceos in the position where they forego fiat deployments 475067;1391363653;ThickAsThieves;[18:11] this is a major problem for bitcoin atm. 475068;1391363653;ThickAsThieves;[18:11] atm, or forever? 475069;1391363654;ThickAsThieves;[18:11] no argument. which is why it's a problem. 475070;1391363654;ThickAsThieves;[18:11] ThickAsThieves hopefully it settles down. 475071;1391363664;nubbins`;me too 475072;1391363668;nubbins`;he sent first, even :0 475073;1391363674;deadweasel;whoa 475074;1391363694;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves, mircea_popescu: all spending of btc is not bad business. 475075;1391363698;mircea_popescu;but this is an interfacing problem, not a deflation problem 475076;1391363709;mircea_popescu;you'd have the same difficulties if you landed in zimbabwe with a trunk full of dollars : 475077;1391363716;ThickAsThieves;does the interfacing problem exist without deflation? 475078;1391363720;mircea_popescu;you can't "invest" in zimbabwe until their failrency settles down 475079;1391363749;ThickAsThieves;does deflation "settle"?> 475080;1391363759;mircea_popescu;there is no deflation caught in that discussion at all. 475081;1391363766;ThickAsThieves;what amount of settling is likely or required? 475082;1391363777;mircea_popescu;it's just the fiat bubble bursting. 475083;1391363793;ThickAsThieves;same result no? 475084;1391363816;ThickAsThieves;when fiat bubble is done, will we not continue to deflate? 475085;1391363817;mircea_popescu;in the sense jumping out of a plane and having a piano fall on you yield the same result. 475086;1391363829;mircea_popescu;it's just that parachutes do little to protect you from falling objects. 475087;1391363850;ThickAsThieves;more like jumping off the earth vs out of a plan 475088;1391363857;nubbins`;it behooves one wealthy in btc to delay purchases/spending for as long as possible 475089;1391363859;ThickAsThieves;youll die from both 475090;1391363860;mircea_popescu;when the fiat bubble is gone we will actually deflate, but the effects of THAT are not judgeable by this. 475091;1391363866;nubbins`;but that's distinct from never spending at all 475092;1391363866;mircea_popescu;besides, bitcoin is hugely inflationary. 475093;1391363870;ThickAsThieves;but you wont land jumping off the earthj 475094;1391363874;mircea_popescu;much more so that fiat CLAIMS to be 475095;1391363892;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-bitcoin-macroeconomy/ 475096;1391363896;mircea_popescu;see there, para I 475097;1391364007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15390 @ 0.00093078 = 14.3247 BTC [+] {2} 475098;1391364181;ThickAsThieves;hmm 475099;1391364207;ThickAsThieves;do you believe the fiat bubble will actaully finish? 475100;1391364212;mircea_popescu;yeah. 475101;1391364223;ThickAsThieves;how long? 475102;1391364229;mircea_popescu;what am i, mafalda ? 475103;1391364234;ThickAsThieves;hehe 475104;1391364243;ThickAsThieves;well it seems like it drag out pretty far 475105;1391364254;mircea_popescu;hmm apparently this doesn't convert to english 475106;1391364263;mircea_popescu;anyway, mafalda was a late 1800s famous seer 475107;1391364306;ThickAsThieves;when i search i just get cartoons 475108;1391364312;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 432 @ 0.00293973 = 1.27 BTC [+] {11} 475109;1391364317;ThickAsThieves;i assumed she could tell the future 475110;1391364392;mircea_popescu;https://blogideologic.wordpress.com/2011/10/21/mafalda-in-cultura-populara-a-romanilor/ 475111;1391364400;mircea_popescu;it's an actual historical person. 475112;1391364431;nubbins`;after skimming this article, i now understand 475113;1391364431;nubbins`;;p 475114;1391364449;ThickAsThieves;i guess this conversation nullifies another question i had 475115;1391364452;nubbins`;you guys don't have paragraph breaks in romanian? 475116;1391364495;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04979777 = 0.1992 BTC [+] 475117;1391364497;ThickAsThieves;during the recent NY panels, we do they only mention volatility, and never bitcoin's deflationary problems 475118;1391364503;ThickAsThieves;why 475119;1391364509;mircea_popescu;because they read trilema. 475120;1391364524;ThickAsThieves;which i guess i should reform to, why do they not worry about hoarding 475121;1391364539;ThickAsThieves;answer is, cuz there's nothing they can do about it 475122;1391364541;mircea_popescu;why do you think hoarding would be a problem ? 475123;1391364542;ThickAsThieves;i guess 475124;1391364556;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.00295299 = 0.3809 BTC [+] {3} 475125;1391364586;ThickAsThieves;wouldnt extreme hoarding cause more volatility?\ 475126;1391364597;mircea_popescu;let's do the following mental experiment. 475127;1391364614;mircea_popescu;suppose the original satoshi prototype only had 2.1mn total bitcoin, and original block reward was 5 btc. 475128;1391364617;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00295799 = 0.2662 BTC [+] {2} 475129;1391364622;mircea_popescu;what, if anything, do you think'd be different today ? 475130;1391364642;ThickAsThieves;core devs would add decimal places? :) 475131;1391364646;mircea_popescu;right. 475132;1391364660;mircea_popescu;now, imagine a different situation, in which 18.9 mn bitcoins have been hoarded. 475133;1391364669;mircea_popescu;why would things be different ? 475134;1391364680;nubbins`;s/hoarded/saved 475135;1391364685;mircea_popescu;strictly because those 18.9 mn coins COULD BE SPENT. but if they're spent... they're no longer hoarded. 475136;1391364697;ThickAsThieves;well it leaves potential for intense volatility 475137;1391364702;mircea_popescu;hoarding is self limiting. you either hoard or matter. 475138;1391364709;mircea_popescu;yes. it does. 475139;1391364721;mircea_popescu;guess what ? intense volatility hurts large holders most. 475140;1391364730;mircea_popescu;yet another point of elegant beauty typical of satoshi designs. 475141;1391364739;asciilifeform;that's sorta like saying that falling out of an airplane sans parachute isn't really so bad, i fell out of my bed as a boy once 475142;1391364740;mircea_popescu;definitely intelligent design at work here. 475143;1391364745;ThickAsThieves;heh 475144;1391364751;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform which part you mean ? 475145;1391364807;asciilifeform;traditional argument - if enough of the hoard were dumped, one could see a catastrophic stampede 475146;1391364813;mircea_popescu;sure. 475147;1391364823;mircea_popescu;but it is in fact the people hoarding that have least interest to see this happen. 475148;1391364834;ThickAsThieves;then hoarding is just building a bubble 475149;1391364836;mircea_popescu;the incentives are correctly alligned, which is the absolute most you can say of any system 475150;1391364847;asciilifeform;well that would depend on who's hoarding and why 475151;1391364854;mircea_popescu;notrly. 475152;1391364856;mircea_popescu;money perverts. 475153;1391364862;mircea_popescu;you can go into it thinking anything you wish 475154;1391364868;mircea_popescu;you'll come out of it thinking what it needs you to. 475155;1391364872;asciilifeform;'nsa satoshi' hypothesis 475156;1391364885;ThickAsThieves;or anarchist satoshi 475157;1391364892;mircea_popescu;this is me doing the ny jew hand gesture. 475158;1391364896;ThickAsThieves;hehe 475159;1391364968;ThickAsThieves;can't have trust as value without thinking everyone is out to get you! 475160;1391364998;mircea_popescu;and can't have sex as value without trying to hump vaguely calf-shaped electricity poles. 475161;1391365006;mircea_popescu;or perhaps... 475162;1391365113;mircea_popescu;anyway, take the nsa satoshi hypothesis. so the nsa spent 5mn making this thing, which we all embraced. as part of that expenditure it has premined 10mn BTC, which it kept, secretly. we don't know. 475163;1391365139;mircea_popescu;today at nsa headquarters, "sir, i would like to apply for permission to spend 10bn usd dollars in btc equivalent by dumpting our stash" 475164;1391365148;mircea_popescu;"we don't have 10bn in the budget. application denied." 475165;1391365157;jayk;hohoho 475166;1391365178;mircea_popescu;bitcoin, even should it have made by nsa, has actually taken it over. 475167;1391365180;mircea_popescu;win. 475168;1391365193;ThickAsThieves;and for Anarcho Satoshi? 475169;1391365199;jayk;JP morgn wants to take it over 475170;1391365207;jayk;with their own version 475171;1391365240;ThickAsThieves;maybe i should make Satoshi was an Anarchist shirts, everyone will buy them thinking it's for the opposite reason 475172;1391365242;mircea_popescu;there's no way to ensure it won't be tat taking it over, with his own version. 475173;1391365253;ThickAsThieves;well thats obv 475174;1391365266;mircea_popescu;that's the problem here. bitcoin selects for and promotes some very narrow, specified things. 475175;1391365270;mircea_popescu;and it doesn't negotiate with terrorists. 475176;1391365276;mircea_popescu;for real, this time. 475177;1391365288;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 475178;1391365291;mircea_popescu;(generally, the old adage goes, careful what you claim for yourself, you might live to meet it) 475179;1391365328;ThickAsThieves;we just say, careful what you wish for 475180;1391365338;ThickAsThieves;(you just might get it) 475181;1391365349;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15000107 BTC [-] 475182;1391365381;ThickAsThieves;didnt Namworld buy that bitcoin shirt company? 475183;1391365386;mircea_popescu;ya but i like mine better. 475184;1391365391;ThickAsThieves;i wonder if he'll do it for real 475185;1391365392;jayk;before the banks accept bitcoin, they are trying to start their own version, like jp morgan is doing 475186;1391365419;ThickAsThieves;i just dont buy that 475187;1391365427;ThickAsThieves;no corp will make a coin anytime soon 475188;1391365453;ThickAsThieves;theyd have to be horribly out of touch 475189;1391365458;ThickAsThieves;like OracleCoin 475190;1391365460;ThickAsThieves;or such 475191;1391365489;ThickAsThieves;pretty much only Google or the USG could do it 475192;1391365512;Duffer1;you're talking about bankers here 475193;1391365521;Duffer1;horribly out of touch is their slogan 475194;1391365537;jurov;amazon alluded to it (maybe unintentionally) 475195;1391365549;mircea_popescu;a bank could od a very respectable coin. 475196;1391365549;ThickAsThieves;they arent so out of touch that they would sell something no one would buy 475197;1391365555;jurov;but that wouldn't be bad step 475198;1391365562;mircea_popescu;problem is, it'd need diametric's hr. which they dont have. 475199;1391365580;Duffer1;i fully expect jpmorgan or somesuch to ipo an alt coin then bet against it 475200;1391365589;ThickAsThieves;no way 475201;1391365589;mircea_popescu;lol 475202;1391365612;jayk;i expect someone like netflix to offer payments in bitcoin soon 475203;1391365615;ThickAsThieves;USG probly wont even let a bank make its own money 475204;1391365630;Duffer1;sure they could do a respectable coin 475205;1391365637;ThickAsThieves;netflix wont accept btc in 2014 475206;1391365646;jayk;publicity stunt 475207;1391365649;ThickAsThieves;nope 475208;1391365652;jayk;drive theit stock up 475209;1391365652;jayk;yes 475210;1391365657;ThickAsThieves;they have enough momentum without it 475211;1391365662;ThickAsThieves;they wouldnt wanna compromise 475212;1391365663;jayk;$$$ 475213;1391365673;jayk;it works 475214;1391365681;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves it wouldn't have to be an us bank. 475215;1391365699;mircea_popescu;fun fact : at the time the amsterdam bank rose to prominence, the thing that propelled it was its marginality 475216;1391365701;ThickAsThieves;they likely learned their lesson about confusing their audience when they announced that new thing that never happened 475217;1391365703;ThickAsThieves;what was it 475218;1391365708;mircea_popescu;specifically, small countries had problems with their clipped/worn currency 475219;1391365727;mircea_popescu;in general, a small outlier could take over the entire world economy by doing something smart like this. 475220;1391365732;jayk;overstock has gone up $15 in 1year 475221;1391365736;jayk;they now accept bitcoin dont they 475222;1391365743;ThickAsThieves;lol 475223;1391365791;ThickAsThieves;that outlier would have to have some way to get trust and establish a blockchain 475224;1391365817;ThickAsThieves;like google putting its own into Android 475225;1391365832;mircea_popescu;no. like getting the ok of someone in the space with enough authortiy to ok it. 475226;1391365846;mircea_popescu;problem being, of course, the space is full of fakers, and otherwise insanely expensive. 475227;1391365873;ThickAsThieves;so what wot do they use? 475228;1391365883;mircea_popescu;one of those "pay through the nose or waste your money" sort of situations which institutions handle so poorly. 475229;1391365911;jayk;haha: http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1wt6mm/dont_broadcast_your_wifi_ssid_and_password_on/ 475230;1391365923;jayk;superbowl wifi password broadcasted on national tv 475231;1391365959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23080 @ 0.00092721 = 21.4 BTC [-] 475232;1391365966;ThickAsThieves;oh yeah thats today huh 475233;1391366015;Duffer1;wow.. 475234;1391366081;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-] 475235;1391366177;ThickAsThieves;"Interesting fact: $1 million dollars weighs 10kg exactly" 475236;1391366199;ThickAsThieves;finally found a qay to quantify dollars! 475237;1391366201;ThickAsThieves;way* 475238;1391366209;jayk;i placed my first bitbet, mircea_popescu 475239;1391366216;mircea_popescu;lol i wonder what on 475240;1391366225;jayk;snowden 475241;1391366257;mircea_popescu;a 475242;1391366264;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12428 @ 0.00092636 = 11.5128 BTC [-] {2} 475243;1391366534;nubbins`;huh, http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304626804579358943360702878 475244;1391366562;ThickAsThieves;dang 475245;1391366578;mircea_popescu;aww 475246;1391366618;Mats_cd03;1mil or $10,099 475247;1391366624;mircea_popescu;he was better in flawless. 475248;1391366628;mircea_popescu;wtf is capote. 475249;1391366793;ThickAsThieves;why do celebs do heroine anyway? they spent all the other indulgences? 475250;1391366801;benkay`;"We won't be issuing another series for a while, nor will we be making further attempts to support seemingly "worthy" or "credible" "financiers" for a while, mostly because we're running out of quotes." 475251;1391366814;mircea_popescu;waithat ?! 475252;1391366868;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=76515.msg1311976#msg1311976 475253;1391366901;benkay`;old gold is all 475254;1391366910;ThickAsThieves;when will mpex buy Ukyo & Graet debt? 475255;1391366912;benkay`;quick on the trigger you are today, ThickAsThieves 475256;1391366928;mircea_popescu;lol 2012 475257;1391366981;mircea_popescu;can't believe that chick's been building the snark since two years ago, and yet last month's noobs still "ambush" her 475258;1391366985;jurov;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/01/edward-snowden-intelligence-leak-nsa-contractor-extract 475259;1391367004;jurov;for anyone who did not follow it very closely 475260;1391367112;mircea_popescu;Feb 01 16:41:24 getting my hands on the source will be Altcoin's "2 weeks" << did you ? 475261;1391367148;ThickAsThieves;still waiting 475262;1391367154;benkay`;mircea_popescu: i don't see the hash options on your list of closed mpex assets 475263;1391367175;benkay`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77712.0 & http://trilema.com/2013/the-list-of-discontinued-assets-on-mpex/#identifier_1_48644 475264;1391367198;benkay`;drop the footnote link etc 475265;1391367211;mircea_popescu;becayuse theyre still on neh ? 475266;1391367216;nubbins`;TheTrueHOOHA is actually a better name than DPR 475267;1391367223;mircea_popescu;$vwap X.IDIFF.JUN 475268;1391367225;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 475269;1391367230;mircea_popescu;lol 475270;1391367232;mircea_popescu;well, they are. 475271;1391367243;blg;HOOHA sounds very sexual 475272;1391367269;nubbins`;http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/1/30/1391079438373/Young-snowden-2-008.jpg 475273;1391367274;nubbins`;looks very sexual too 475274;1391367279;benkay`;what, you tryna tell me an option to buy hashes is a future diff? 475275;1391367284;blg;nubbins`: lol 475276;1391367297;benkay`;(diff future i mean) 475277;1391367315;benkay`;i'm really just being a pedant here 475278;1391367343;jurov;benkay` id right, it was distinct from today's futures 475279;1391367348;jurov;*is 475280;1391367365;mircea_popescu;jesus yeah, there was a distinct set that died horribly. ie, with the mm taking it up the ass. 475281;1391367370;benkay`;just from the pedants perspective that asset series closed 475282;1391367405;mircea_popescu;see, you're adding value already. 475283;1391367420;mircea_popescu;now go make a post. 475284;1391367423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9470 @ 0.0009272 = 8.7806 BTC [+] 475285;1391367429;benkay`;when did that series close? 475286;1391367461;mircea_popescu;i don't remember. 475287;1391367474;jurov;try archive.org 475288;1391367476;nubbins`;` is so trendy these days 475289;1391367485;mircea_popescu;(dude this is so cool, i'ma do a series of i don't remember / i don't recall and be just like a real banker nao!) 475290;1391367501;nubbins`;jurov wins, benkay, you're out 475291;1391367510;mircea_popescu;benkay seriously tho, im pretty sure it was in a mpoe report. prolly died summer 2013 ? 475292;1391367538;benkay;this is the point at which i decide to archive all mpoe reports 475293;1391367598;nubbins`;but if you do that, what are you gonna spend your credits on? 475294;1391367610;benkay;learning romanian duh 475295;1391367618;nubbins`;lel 475296;1391367681;nubbins`;makes about as much sense as learning spanish just to read cien años de soledad, i guess 475297;1391367695;````;doesn't copying content from trilema need consent written by a sharpie which is then put into the ass? 475298;1391367700;mircea_popescu;more sense than learning spanish to talk to the maid. 475299;1391367717;benkay;french is next on the docket 475300;1391367721;mircea_popescu;```` as long as he doesn't distribute it... 475301;1391367739;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, i actually met someone who was doing that once 475302;1391367743;nubbins`;(for the book, not the maid) 475303;1391367752;mircea_popescu;i met both 475304;1391367758;mircea_popescu;my mother learned greek to read kavafis 475305;1391367761;nubbins`;TBH even in english it's beautiful, beautiful prose 475306;1391367772;nubbins`;i can't even imagine what it's like in the original language 475307;1391367836;benkay;the answer is August 2012, for those who care. 475308;1391367839;benkay;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64962.msg1152708#msg1152708 475309;1391367850;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00093231 = 5.0345 BTC [+] 475310;1391367912;mircea_popescu;so summer indeed. wrong year, but hey. 475311;1391368037;ThickAsThieves;me: "How is it 2pm already?"" 475312;1391368045;ThickAsThieves;wife: "You are a furry mess." 475313;1391368173;mircea_popescu;now rant at her about high finance 475314;1391368182;mircea_popescu;as if that makes it ok "no but honey til!" 475315;1391368192;ThickAsThieves;"Yeah well your dollars are turning into dust!" 475316;1391368216;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 93 @ 0.00295799 = 0.2751 BTC [+] {2} 475317;1391368521;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 45 @ 0.003 = 0.135 BTC [+] 475318;1391369024;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/kevinrose/status/429668252810100737 << ThickAsThieves 475319;1391369055;mircea_popescu;basically bitcoin got attacked in 2013 by the most unlikely of sources : the dieing start-up circus. 475320;1391369082;mircea_popescu;most nobody even noticed, or cared. except for the finest tuned of watchdogs or w/e 475321;1391369279;benkay;attacked? 475322;1391369286;mircea_popescu;well yes. 475323;1391369306;mircea_popescu;"There are more transactions of the cryptocurrency than Bitcoin, although it is only worth a tiny fraction of Bitcoin." 475324;1391369310;mircea_popescu;http://www.sbs.com.au/news/blog/2014/01/29/blog-dogecoins-message-chinese-investor-wolong 475325;1391369318;mircea_popescu;it's quite clear if you do aggregate counting. 475326;1391369346;mircea_popescu;they are attacking bitcoin. perhaps in the manner an ant attacks a rhino, but nevertheless. as far as the ant is concerned, in its own system of representations, that's what's going on. 475327;1391369370;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2014#469653 475328;1391369425;benkay;entertaining and all but from the ants perspective how is what they're doing an attack? 475329;1391369444;mircea_popescu;ant will kill rhino, skin it, wear the skin as king of the jungle. 475330;1391369461;benkay;like 'i am startup and will rule all the buttcorns'? 475331;1391369474;mircea_popescu;because if you get more fuckwits to retweet your inane shit you will thus therefore be "bigger" and "more important" than people with fewer retweets. 475332;1391369481;mircea_popescu;it's web start-up brain rot, quite typical. 475333;1391369535;mircea_popescu;in principle, every circlejerk imagines itself "the only thing out there". like, the us thinks it's "the world". any us court thinks it has universal jurisdiction. any us politician thinks that his decisions matter universally. 475334;1391369561;mircea_popescu;the va circus, as hopelessly fucked as they are, imagine that "all entrepreneurship" is... well... them. 475335;1391369587;mircea_popescu;that they will be crushed by much larger things that exist independent of their knowledge or understanding is about as aliento them as mpex customers to jimmothey 475336;1391369619;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15999999 BTC [+] 475337;1391369639;mircea_popescu;so basically what we have here, is "everyone" in the sense of "everyone that goes to tech conferences in SF and reads techcrunch religiously" figures they can take over this novel idea. 475338;1391369641;````;i can vaguely recall some very negative sentiment on ycombinator and else 475339;1391369658;mircea_popescu;;;google ycombinator jointly and severally 475340;1391369659;gribble;Ycombinator continues to suck, jointly and severally : Bitcoin - Reddit: ; Series AA Stock Purchase Agreement - Y Combinator: ; European reforms are not enough, joint liability needed: well, how much do you want to be paid to altcoin creator + exchange + seed nodes + pool ? 475553;1391373327;blg;i was answering that question 475554;1391373334;ThickAsThieves;he was too 475555;1391373341;blg;then i dont get the reference 475556;1391373343;blg;sorry 475557;1391373357;ThickAsThieves;he's saying will you be paid in monopoly btc? 475558;1391373366;blg;oh lol 475559;1391373386;ThickAsThieves;cmon it really cant cost $1m to make such thing 475560;1391373389;blg;i have no problems turning monopoly in to real 475561;1391373394;ThickAsThieves;just buy the existing pieces 475562;1391373401;ThickAsThieves;:) 475563;1391373410;blg;well you have to buy a good programmer for the alt coin 475564;1391373420;benkay;ahaha 475565;1391373422;benkay;ho 475566;1391373429;pankkake;lol 475567;1391373432;ThickAsThieves;blg you misunderstand 475568;1391373433;benkay;tee hee 475569;1391373449;blg;i didnt read the scrollback at all once again i apologize 475570;1391373468;pankkake;the cost would be mostly having to run each coin daemon/pool 475571;1391373485;pankkake;otherwise, everything is automated 475572;1391373493;pankkake;well I don't know how to automate the windows build 475573;1391373507;benkay;yeah we skip windows build 475574;1391373510;mircea_popescu;automate the windows build IN CLOJURE 475575;1391373513;benkay;no. 475576;1391373516;mircea_popescu;come on, if this isn't sexy i dunno what is. 475577;1391373519;pankkake;no people are mad if there is no windows 475578;1391373528;benkay;really? 475579;1391373529;mircea_popescu;must has windows. this is altscams here. 475580;1391373538;mircea_popescu;nobody even knows what linux is in that subforum 475581;1391373541;pankkake;yes. first posts of bernankoin :( 475582;1391373545;Duffer1;the world isn't ready for MP coin ^.^ 475583;1391373548;ThickAsThieves;help us centralize decentralization 475584;1391373567;Duffer1;still rely on windows deployment for mass adoption 475585;1391373577;mircea_popescu;coelho has warped ThickAsThieves' brain to the degree i don't know when he's paraquoting anymore. 475586;1391373593;benkay;windows over os x? 475587;1391373598;mircea_popescu;you kidding ? 475588;1391373605;mircea_popescu;you can't buy osx ready systems on food stamps. 475589;1391373610;benkay;no i have no idea about altcoin mkt 475590;1391373622;benkay;oh i see welfarecoin 475591;1391373625;benkay;(s) 475592;1391373678;pankkake;what's next, KentuckyFriedCoin? 475593;1391373682;ThickAsThieves;maybe with contract with USG for UScoin 475594;1391373684;ThickAsThieves;we 475595;1391373707;benkay;okay so concerns 475596;1391373710;benkay;i don't want to run this 475597;1391373736;lippoper;we should make a pizzacoin 475598;1391373749;benkay;more than happy to set up servers etc but it must be actually run by not me 475599;1391373781;ThickAsThieves;well it should run wherever whomever knows best thinks it should 475600;1391373806;benkay;location is another concern i want delegated to capitalizers of operation 475601;1391373827;mircea_popescu;what's "location" ? 475602;1391373832;ThickAsThieves;of servers 475603;1391373839;benkay;well there's an altcoin market involved right? 475604;1391373847;mircea_popescu;if he doesn't run it how exactly could he establish location 475605;1391373853;mircea_popescu;benkay altcoin-to-coin stricjtly. 475606;1391373858;mircea_popescu;we don't encourage the use of scamfiat. 475607;1391373865;benkay;ofc 475608;1391373869;benkay;so needs dedi 475609;1391373873;mircea_popescu;definitely. 475610;1391373896;blg;mircea_popescu: i'm PM'ing you if that's ok 475611;1391373897;mircea_popescu;you'll be herp-ddos'd all the time too. needs a decent dedi. 475612;1391373900;mircea_popescu;go ahead 475613;1391373939;benkay;colo with mpex? 475614;1391373946;mircea_popescu;then again this could easily live in the cloud. 475615;1391373957;mircea_popescu;prolly better that way as you'll have inelastic loads lal the time 475616;1391373966;benkay;no way are you suggesting putting wallets on virtual instances 475617;1391373986;mircea_popescu;why not / 475618;1391373995;jurov;benkay: no way you are suggesting putting wallets on frontend webserver 475619;1391374000;mircea_popescu;^ 475620;1391374014;benkay;right 475621;1391374024;benkay;oh well sure web heads are virtualized 475622;1391374025;mircea_popescu;so they'r evirtual. what of it ? so are you. backup well, be happy. 475623;1391374071;jurov;and amazon does offer persistent storage since 2 years ago or so 475624;1391374084;benkay;talking about different things here 475625;1391374096;mircea_popescu;jurov you wanna host this ? 475626;1391374105;benkay;i'm talking about linode-style virtualization compromises of wallets 475627;1391374121;mircea_popescu;benkay no because they can't read CLOJURE 475628;1391374141;jurov;and i'm asking why does one need zero-latency wallet access 475629;1391374154;benkay;one doesn't, jurov 475630;1391374160;jurov;it can happily live 50ms away 475631;1391374167;benkay;mp stoppit 475632;1391374184;mircea_popescu;what, are you trying to put a CLOJURE on my expression ? 475633;1391374193;benkay;ermergerhd 475634;1391374194;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 67 @ 0.003 = 0.201 BTC [+] 475635;1391374196;mircea_popescu;lmao 475636;1391374218;benkay;playing my biases so obviously just puts my hackles up 475637;1391374228;mircea_popescu;no, this is a legitimate business angle. 475638;1391374231;mircea_popescu;we'll just os the entire thing. 475639;1391374246;mircea_popescu;get a buncha fucktarded kids try to learn clojure to make their own market thing. 475640;1391374248;mircea_popescu;epic. 475641;1391374261;benkay;well, it's just lisp so they shouldn't have too hard of a time 475642;1391374267;mircea_popescu;so you think. 475643;1391374274;mircea_popescu;windows lips compiler ? 475644;1391374280;benkay;agqreiuhglerjbgaksdljbfsd 475645;1391374282;mircea_popescu;preferably as a python module ? 475646;1391374288;asciilifeform;obligatory turd! http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42 475647;1391374299;mircea_popescu;can you compile lisp in python run on linux via cygwin ? 475648;1391374314;asciilifeform;(how many people keep a flame war strong for ~5 yrs) 475649;1391374319;mircea_popescu;(provided of course you use ALL CAPS in the code) 475650;1391374322;benkay;mircea_popescu: http://docs.hylang.org/en/latest/ 475651;1391374326;jurov;only with javascript and node emulation layer 475652;1391374345;mircea_popescu;jurov you mean they could get this in phpmyadmin ? 475653;1391374349;asciilifeform;write it in INTERCAL. 475654;1391374351;mircea_popescu;cause that'd help, they know phpmyadmin 475655;1391374353;jurov;implemented in haskell 475656;1391374389;mircea_popescu;but all the fun aside, srsly, a foss clojure implementation of this would actually be a great thing. 475657;1391374414;benkay;so: dev priorities then 475658;1391374435;Namworld;What the heck is this you are all talking about? Some retarted process that equals job security because you're then the only one able to update and maintain the business apps and software? 475659;1391374461;benkay;coingen, exchange, poolgen? 475660;1391374464;mircea_popescu;Namworld im trying to give the kid a breadloaf and he;'s trying to price himself out of it. 475661;1391374467;mircea_popescu;like all business ever. 475662;1391374488;benkay;exchange, coingen, poolgen? 475663;1391374492;mircea_popescu;benkay all 4 are needed out of the gate. 475664;1391374520;mircea_popescu;anyway, from what i read of lisp it is very productive and should be easy if you know what you're doing so like 500 lines of code. 475665;1391374524;benkay;what's number 4? 475666;1391374528;mircea_popescu;seeds 475667;1391374530;Jere_Jones;lol 475668;1391374534;benkay;ah seeds 475669;1391374538;Jere_Jones;"Just a couple of if statements" 475670;1391374567;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones i know bunches of ppl who freelance, right ? "plz build me a better brain. should be easy if you know what you're doing'. 90% of all projects. 475671;1391374575;asciilifeform;intercal, i tell ya. what other language has a 'come from' statement. 475672;1391374586;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform basic read backwards ? 475673;1391374665;Jere_Jones;mircea_popescu: I'm in process of writting an exchange and the devil is in the details. Anyway, that was a joke from a manager that I used to have where everything was simple and just needed a "couple of if statements". 475674;1391374693;KRS-;Oh cool, another coin. 475675;1391374697;KRS-;http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/150/6 475676;1391374701;mircea_popescu;another coin, another dolla. 475677;1391374768;KRS-;Other currencies, like Bitcoin, use dumb hard coded ‘mining’ processes that produces coins at a fixed rate that can’t change. 475678;1391374779;pankkake;oh god another DAC. where is the code, how is it supposed to work, stfu 475679;1391374780;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 475680;1391374785;ThickAsThieves;the longer we take to get to the altcoin singularity, the less bitcoins we can make off it 475681;1391374804;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2425 @ 0.00011977 = 0.2904 BTC [+] 475682;1391374805;jurov;all this ruckus.. just use some mature language supported by IDE with proper visual debugger 475683;1391374806;mircea_popescu;and meanwhile, i invite you all to a sing-along! 475684;1391374807;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY92AE1Aj-U 475685;1391374815;jurov;does clojure has it? 475686;1391374820;KRS-;This is really odd. 475687;1391374820;mircea_popescu;yes actually 475688;1391374830;jurov;php does not to this day (except some commercial ones) 475689;1391374830;pankkake;IDEs? visual debuggers? real men don't use that 475690;1391374839;jayk;mircea_popescu: how many companies do you have active 475691;1391374843;jurov;we are not talking about real men 475692;1391374865;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00011978 = 0.5989 BTC [+] 475693;1391374866;pankkake;next you're going to tell me you use a MOUSE 475694;1391374871;mircea_popescu;jayk a number thereof. i need an accountant for an exact count. why ? 475695;1391374881;jayk;curious i know of mpex and bitbet 475696;1391374888;mircea_popescu;a public btc corps, 4 475697;1391374893;KRS-;ThickAsThieves can you describe the altcoin singularity? I'm not sure what to make of all this coin sillyness. 475698;1391374893;jayk;oic 475699;1391374902;jurov;pankkake you use coinbr in lynx? 475700;1391374909;jayk;i signed up for mpex i will study it later 475701;1391374915;pankkake;I use pentadactyl 475702;1391374916;mircea_popescu;not any rush 475703;1391374917;ThickAsThieves;i dont think i wanna subject this channel to me describing it 475704;1391374926;KRS-;link? 475705;1391374927;benkay;jurov: it's called emacs 475706;1391374929;mircea_popescu;fuck i lost my drink 475707;1391374932;mircea_popescu;what is this world coming to. 475708;1391374933;jayk;oh 475709;1391374936;jayk;i dont drink 475710;1391374944;mircea_popescu;well now neither do i. 475711;1391374947;jayk;hah 475712;1391374953;jayk;superbowl time 475713;1391374953;jayk;bbl 475714;1391374975;pankkake;altcoin singularity = you only need to input parameters, exchange, pool comes online, middlecoin mines it and sells it 475715;1391374990;mircea_popescu;and sends you a report of how much profit it made. 475716;1391375009;mircea_popescu;and an animated gif of the champagne. 475717;1391375013;mircea_popescu;it's all very virtual. 475718;1391375023;benkay;has anyone here built an altcoin from source? 475719;1391375024;jurov;benkay i'm visual person and do bes with actual shapes, not just screenful of text 475720;1391375030;KRS-;an easier way to get BTC because of the inflated value? 475721;1391375035;jayk;benkay: i have a link for you 475722;1391375037;jayk;if you want to 475723;1391375038;mircea_popescu;benkay iirc pankkake has. 475724;1391375044;jayk;coingen.io 475725;1391375048;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2425 @ 0.000119 = 0.2886 BTC [-] 475726;1391375052;jayk;or there is a free verison but it might give yoau headache 475727;1391375056;mircea_popescu;omg ppls read the log. 475728;1391375065;benkay;free version of coingen? 475729;1391375072;benkay;can't say as i know what you're going on about. 475730;1391375075;jayk;i think he charges .05? 475731;1391375080;jayk;oh ok nvm 475732;1391375086;benkay;go watch your sportsball. 475733;1391375109;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22778 @ 0.00093295 = 21.2507 BTC [+] {2} 475734;1391375115;jayk;http://coingen.bluematt.me/build/f6ae0f64.zip 475735;1391375136;benkay;asciilifeform: it's a turd, but it ain't java. 475736;1391375159;ThickAsThieves;;;ud singularity 475737;1391375160;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=singularity | singularity. A point in time at which, theoretically, technological progress accelerates exponentially, such that nothing taking place follwing said point can be ... 475738;1391375170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3022 @ 0.00093379 = 2.8219 BTC [+] 475739;1391375180;ThickAsThieves;predicted 475740;1391375193;mircea_popescu;jayk http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#475503 KRS- http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#475319 475741;1391375246;ThickAsThieves;tonight, we dine on lunch! 475742;1391375256;KRS-;Thanks mircea_popescu 475743;1391375289;jayk;oh 475744;1391375311;benkay;going afk for a bit gents 475745;1391375353;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.099 = 0.594 BTC [+] 475746;1391375388;jayk;you dont like that 475747;1391375393;jayk;guy 475748;1391375396;benkay;also mircea_popescu save me from myself and help me not price myself out 475749;1391375404;ThickAsThieves;thats easy 475750;1391375411;ThickAsThieves;just say what it really costs 475751;1391375414;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1185 = 0.237 BTC [+] 475752;1391375431;benkay;requires knowing how long it really takes 475753;1391375445;ThickAsThieves;or estimation thereof 475754;1391375475;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 475755;1391375509;nubbins`;^ 475756;1391375523;pankkake;I seems like an awful lot 475757;1391375541;pankkake;many different things 475758;1391375559;benkay;such moving parts 475759;1391375559;ThickAsThieves;it's a whole business really 475760;1391375572;ThickAsThieves;not just a dev project 475761;1391375586;benkay;'s why i keep saying stop saying clojure to mp 475762;1391375587;mircea_popescu;it is a lot of work, yes. that's part of why it's worth doing, it always pays to sink your teeth in and do a fundamental bit well than try and chew a little off the edges. 475763;1391375588;ThickAsThieves;needs ongoing work too 475764;1391375636;benkay;how is the relationship with kakobrekla set up for ongoing work on bitbet? 475765;1391375639;pankkake;writing the exchange can be fun. the rest… eh 475766;1391375650;mircea_popescu;he got half the equity. 475767;1391375665;benkay;so he's incentivized to ship more to improve his profits 475768;1391375696;mircea_popescu;he's incentivised to have the thing running smoothly., which it has been. 475769;1391375696;benkay;i actually think setting up build servers would be fun 475770;1391375730;mircea_popescu;and that too was a lot of work, even if not necessarily obvious immediately. 475771;1391375766;benkay;uptime's a thing, yes 475772;1391375779;benkay;back in a few 475773;1391376003;turbo_ac100;Weren't all No bets on 'BitBet haxxed in 2013' supposed to be refunded and not paid out? 475774;1391376023;mircea_popescu;turbo_ac100 yeah. 475775;1391376033;dub;uptime is 13 years, 31 weeks, 3 days, 20 hours, 29 minutes 475776;1391376042;mircea_popescu;dub your c0k ? 475777;1391376044;jayk;did kakobrekla make the appl mistake? 475778;1391376103;turbo_ac100;But the were paid. Gift from kakobrekla I suppose. Thanks. 475779;1391376104;mircea_popescu;dub but srsly, you wanna host things ? 475780;1391376111;dub;fuck no 475781;1391376117;nubbins`;heh 475782;1391376120;mircea_popescu;turbo_ac100 make sure to make a thread about how bitbet's been scamming users tho. 475783;1391376136;dub;I just draw pictures, actual work is for monkeys 475784;1391376155;nubbins`;heh, ^ 475785;1391376159;mircea_popescu;the paradox of honestly : idiots fucking up will amply report how it's all your fault. when you fuck up and you cover it... well... nobody really wants to mention it, cause w/e, kinda embarassing. 475786;1391376168;dub;what needs hosting? 475787;1391376180;mircea_popescu;the future of stupidity! 475788;1391376180;turbo_ac100;kakobrekla is scamming himself; not enough troll food in that one, sadly 475789;1391376192;mircea_popescu;turbo_ac100 exactly. 475790;1391376268;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.24310363 = 2.1879 BTC 475791;1391376423;nubbins`;"Listings for virtual currency are not permitted on the ebay.ca site and this category will be removed on February 10, 2014. You may continue to list these items on the ebay.com site in the Coins & Paper Money>Virtual Currency category in the Classified Ad format only." 475792;1391376547;dub;wat 475793;1391376573;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00082017 = 0.8202 BTC [+] {5} 475794;1391376575;ThickAsThieves;you wanna sell this garbage, go to america! 475795;1391376577;dub;I thought ebay.uk was adding virtual currency category onfeb 10 475796;1391376596;mircea_popescu;it's all very complicated. 475797;1391376695;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6500 @ 0.00011978 = 0.7786 BTC [+] 475798;1391377245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00093192 = 8.3407 BTC [-] 475799;1391377285;jurov;bitstamp got hdd failure? 475800;1391377289;jurov;or what? 475801;1391377308;jurov;or they ran out of power in slovenia? 475802;1391377366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00093379 = 16.8549 BTC [+] 475803;1391377462;mircea_popescu;apparently slovenia has an issue 475804;1391377466;herbijudlestoids;mornin 475805;1391377467;mircea_popescu;kako ran out of juice earlier 475806;1391377488;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.04800011 = 0.336 BTC [-] 475807;1391377549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18551 @ 0.00093102 = 17.2714 BTC [-] {2} 475808;1391377593;mircea_popescu;http://www.bertc.com/subsix/i95/images/95-30.jpg << guess the chick. 475809;1391377594;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: i hadnt really planned to make it into a blog post, but duffer1 asked if i had and i thought maybe it might be interesting to see what happens if i put it in a blog post :P ...whats wrong with blogspot? 475810;1391377622;mircea_popescu;it sucks omg! 475811;1391377631;mircea_popescu;seriously, get a blog you control. 475812;1391377671;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.169 BTC [-] 475813;1391377677;herbijudlestoids;very specific of you :P 475814;1391377699;mircea_popescu;you don't want some random idiots with a "here's a link to our other stuff" on your page, 475815;1391377705;mircea_popescu;you don't want to be stuck if you want to move domains, 475816;1391377717;mircea_popescu;you don't want anyone deciding if and when to put a "warning page" on your material, 475817;1391377727;mircea_popescu;you don't want them filtering your comments, or generally, 475818;1391377733;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 475819;1391377736;mircea_popescu;you don't want to help google in any way whatsoever unless it's paying for it. 475820;1391377741;mircea_popescu;do your own things. 475821;1391377834;herbijudlestoids;i think im ok with most of those things, and i feel like as long as there is no ads on the site then its probably costing google more than they are making off me in analytics 475822;1391377861;mircea_popescu;i'm never going to comment on it, for instance. 475823;1391377888;herbijudlestoids;im sure in the cases where iv said something stupid enough to warrant your comment, ill hear about it from gribble anyway :P 475824;1391377907;mircea_popescu;entirely possible. 475825;1391377927;mircea_popescu;all hitler needs is for ordinary people to keep using google. 475826;1391377975;punkman;we need Mircea Popescu's Search Engine 475827;1391377987;mircea_popescu;nah, let them do that. 475828;1391377998;jayk;卍 475829;1391377998;mircea_popescu;just don't help them do other things. buy ford cars, don't buy ford umbrellas. 475830;1391378122;punkman;the Android AIDS is spreading pretty fast 475831;1391378206;jayk;android aids? 475832;1391378323;herbijudlestoids;so basically i gotta go and setup fkn wordpress and buy a domain just to write some blogs i didnt originally intend to write lol 475833;1391378334;herbijudlestoids;yea i think ill pass 475834;1391378341;punkman;herbijudlestoids: http://staticsitegenerators.net/ 475835;1391378350;punkman;you can just pastebin it 475836;1391378357;punkman;beats blogspot 475837;1391378370;mircea_popescu;pretty much anything beats blogspot. 475838;1391378384;mircea_popescu;pankkake see, there's the usercase 475839;1391378402;pankkake;? 475840;1391378427;mircea_popescu;assets-blog 475841;1391378434;herbijudlestoids;well i would prefer pastebin but it doesnt let me insert content like images and equations 475842;1391378438;mircea_popescu;can you put a wordpress.com clone on the assass ? 475843;1391378438;pankkake;you're just switching evil google by evil MP 475844;1391378458;mircea_popescu;there's a difference in evil. @mp you can scream. 475845;1391378462;pankkake;WP.com is open source too, but… it's work to maintain it. I don't see the point 475846;1391378468;herbijudlestoids;^ 475847;1391378507;mircea_popescu;the point of work is control. 475848;1391378513;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: i showed your blog to a few people over the weekend, they *all* asked if the guy in the photo with the beard is me 475849;1391378520;mircea_popescu;lol 475850;1391378522;herbijudlestoids;i kind of look like that 475851;1391378530;herbijudlestoids;(especially when im bearded) 475852;1391378544;mircea_popescu;"if your daddy doesn't have a beard you have two moms" 475853;1391378544;pankkake;I do host my own blogs, but it takes time, sometimes I fuck up, etc. I don't want to do that for other people 475854;1391378559;mircea_popescu;pankkake why not ? the more you fuck up for other people the more you have reason to love them. 475855;1391378575;pankkake;no, and I have done it before 475856;1391378606;herbijudlestoids;so between posting the blog article here and on reddit i managed to drive 180 views to the article 475857;1391378614;herbijudlestoids;interesting 475858;1391378631;mircea_popescu;no, see ? 475859;1391378633;pankkake;also needs backups that are dead man proof 475860;1391378636;KRS-;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wu6je/bitcoin_investment_55_450_daily_for_80_days_lets/ 475861;1391378637;ozbot;Bitcoin Investment - 55% - 450% DAILY FOR 80 DAYS. Lets make Bitcoin the international currency norm 475862;1391378637;mircea_popescu;six months down the road you will be kicking yourself. 475863;1391378637;KRS-;seems legit 475864;1391378663;mircea_popescu;pankkake ppl can backup their own shit in wp. 475865;1391378675;pankkake;hm, right 475866;1391378682;pankkake;with wordpress.COM too by the way :p 475867;1391378692;KRS-;If Russia makes BTC illegal with all businesses and financial institutions what market value hit do you think we'd see? 10%? 475868;1391378700;pankkake;so you can always chose to go elsewhere easily 475869;1391378703;mircea_popescu;KRS- + more likely than - 475870;1391378709;herbijudlestoids;wihle i was on reddit last night i saw someone with a thread about how mtgox was going to bust soon, they apparently have even stopped btc withdrawals? 475871;1391378725;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids they've been dead man walking since april 2013. 475872;1391378739;jurov;KRS- negative govt recognition always helps 475873;1391378743;mircea_popescu;other than the penny ante noobs not rly anybody still using them as best one can determine 475874;1391378746;KRS-;what rly 475875;1391378760;KRS-;wouldnt a ton of coin be dumped by those who cant use it anymore 475876;1391378770;mircea_popescu;what are you, 12? 475877;1391378777;KRS-;Wouldnt the supply increase? 475878;1391378783;mircea_popescu;the last thing someone does in a jurisdiction that made btc illegal is dump it 475879;1391378795;KRS-;oh it does the opposite 475880;1391378798;mircea_popescu;doh. 475881;1391378810;Dimsler_;no they wouldn't 475882;1391378812;TATonawalk;added thoughts on bitcoin fiverr - integrate with wot to manage reputation. package that integration method as an identity service for other cryptobizzes. handholding the masses into compliance and get paid for it. 475883;1391378814;Dimsler_;thats just silly 475884;1391378829;Dimsler_;you can apply that to prohibition in the US 475885;1391378831;Dimsler_;and the war on drugs 475886;1391378837;Dimsler_;nobody was dumping anything 475887;1391378841;mircea_popescu;TATonawalk adding to the workload at this point is stupid. let it be simple. 475888;1391378842;KRS-;makes sense..sorry for my ignorance. 475889;1391378856;jurov;rly. if govt wanted to tax it instead, that could cause some problem. 475890;1391378858;TATonawalk;just sharing 475891;1391378866;mircea_popescu;KRS- dun feel too bad 475892;1391378906;KRS-;Its cool..I don't mind learning..I'm an IT guy with a business degree, I actually should know better. 475893;1391378925;benkay;i was perusing a buddy's lady's business textbook 475894;1391378932;TATonawalk;could be an independent thing anyway 475895;1391378935;benkay;goodness the things they say about network design 475896;1391378949;TATonawalk;making the wot friendly easy 475897;1391378957;mircea_popescu;not a bad idea. 475898;1391379177;herbijudlestoids;20 tick returns distribution: http://imgur.com/ABfjFaX 475899;1391379187;herbijudlestoids;20 tick vols: http://imgur.com/AJsBk7H 475900;1391379196;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1300001 BTC [-] 475901;1391379238;herbijudlestoids;pretty good to see vols clustering and mean reverting, good sign of a healthy microstructure in the market 475902;1391379247;mircea_popescu;this thing really gives the finger. 475903;1391379257;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.13000008 = 0.26 BTC [-] {2} 475904;1391379259;mircea_popescu;i mean... both pics nao 475905;1391379318;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.12666666 = 0.76 BTC [-] {3} 475906;1391379379;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10899999 BTC [-] 475907;1391379440;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10966666 = 0.329 BTC [+] {2} 475908;1391379492;benkay;what's the hot jam for running pools? 475909;1391379501;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.12 = 0.84 BTC [+] 475910;1391379511;nubbins`;cum 475911;1391379526;benkay;eloipool? 475912;1391379534;nubbins`;oh, sorry, thought you said ruining pools 475913;1391379561;benkay;no clarification needed nubbins` 475914;1391379567;mircea_popescu;cum ruins pools ?! 475915;1391379570;mircea_popescu;o may gawd.... 475916;1391379624;TATonawalk;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wtz2b/2124_btc_destroyed_in_proofofburn/ dafu? 475917;1391379625;ozbot;2124 BTC destroyed in proof-of-burn : Bitcoin 475918;1391379636;herbijudlestoids;here is a detrended price oscillator against the same timeseries http://imgur.com/zZgcAqn 475919;1391379689;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids all this stuff almost makes me believe s.mpoe is not a scam after all. 475920;1391379704;mircea_popescu;i mean... it almost looks like a regular stock 475921;1391379712;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, ikr? weep for what you have done 475922;1391379717;herbijudlestoids;almost, trades a lot less tho 475923;1391379745;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3050 @ 0.00011978 = 0.3653 BTC [+] 475924;1391379776;mircea_popescu;nubbins` all these years... 475925;1391379790;mircea_popescu;TATonawalk you mean dafe ? 475926;1391379835;mircea_popescu;"The Counterparty Team just went ahead and wrote their own stuff, doing what Colored Coins, NxT and Mastercoin failed to do these past 6 9 months. Not even Ripple has assets like these issued and trading." 475927;1391379846;mircea_popescu;well at least *part* of that statement is correct. 475928;1391379906;asciilifeform;1) set up 'proof of burn' addrs with secret escape hatch 2) profit 475929;1391379934;pankkake;oh of course it comes with its coin 475930;1391379957;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform neverhteless, the assessment that nxt, cc, mc etc did nothing the past 9 months is correct. 475931;1391379981;mircea_popescu;then again cc did nothing over 3 installments and 2+ years. 475932;1391379985;asciilifeform;did nothing? 475933;1391379992;asciilifeform;other than chump-vacuuming, you mean ? 475934;1391380005;mircea_popescu;hardly any of that, either. 475935;1391380030;mircea_popescu;the thing with chump vacuuming is that creating the impression of a lot of chumps having been vacuumed already is part and parcel of the model. 475936;1391380054;mircea_popescu;sort-of like if a lion's success in catching gazelles was helped by it going around with a lot of dead gazelles. 475937;1391380072;asciilifeform;naturally, a discerning chump will insist on parking in a mass grave of his peers, not some lonely hole in an abandoned lot 475938;1391380078;mircea_popescu;there;d be dead gazelle lure shops for entrepreneurial lions 475939;1391380088;pankkake;I haven't looked up nxt's proof of stage algo… the half open java source doesn't help 475940;1391380093;pankkake;of stake* 475941;1391380117;mircea_popescu;i can't believe someone's still expecting to be taken serious with java 475942;1391380172;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 31 @ 0.00448889 = 0.1392 BTC [+] 475943;1391380173;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 36681 @ 0.00011978 = 4.3937 BTC [+] {3} 475944;1391380234;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [-] 475945;1391380240;ThickAsThieves;'we arent spending those burned coins, just moving to safer location!' 475946;1391380268;mircea_popescu;waitwut 475947;1391380275;ThickAsThieves;joking 475948;1391380275;asciilifeform;'phoenixcoin,' rises from ashes. 475949;1391380277;dub;proof of scam 475950;1391380294;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.0288 = 0.1152 BTC [+] 475951;1391380296;pankkake;phoenixcoin exists by the way 475952;1391380306;asciilifeform;ought to include 'burns' 475953;1391380320;ThickAsThieves;every satoshi spent is a burn 475954;1391380322;nubbins`;smashrate 475955;1391380322;nubbins`;etc 475956;1391380340;pankkake;we could generate every coin for every word of the dictionnary, but the port numbers would conflict 475957;1391380350;nubbins`;sure, until portcoin 475958;1391380416;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02879999 = 0.1152 BTC [-] {2} 475959;1391380419;ThickAsThieves;we will have to refer to our conversation of bitcoin business names for altgen.io 475960;1391380430;pankkake;getrichquick.io 475961;1391380443;pankkake;getrichordietry.in 475962;1391380446;ThickAsThieves;coinularity 475963;1391380450;asciilifeform;'getpoorquick' 475964;1391380461;herbijudlestoids;judging from the charts, MPOE does seem like a very good candidate for mean reversion trades 475965;1391380466;pankkake;well, we're not saying who's getting rich 475966;1391380501;ThickAsThieves;gryft 475967;1391380538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29984 @ 0.00093403 = 28.006 BTC [+] {3} 475968;1391380552;ThickAsThieves;crowdcoin 475969;1391380571;benkay;what the hell is up with the pool software space 475970;1391380572;ThickAsThieves;crowncoincloud.io 475971;1391380631;ThickAsThieves;fortune9000 475972;1391380635;pankkake;hahaha 475973;1391380644;benkay;fortuneover9000 475974;1391380667;pankkake;thatsthejoke.io 475975;1391380684;benkay;upyourbutt.coin 475976;1391380693;ThickAsThieves;piratesbengay 475977;1391380699;mircea_popescu;lol 475978;1391380723;mircea_popescu;yourefuck.ed ? 475979;1391380761;KRS-;heh 475980;1391380762;ThickAsThieves;cryptogen 475981;1391380763;mircea_popescu;yourefuck.edu actually. just for that lovely your e-fuck, youre fuck etc grammar splendor. 475982;1391380789;ThickAsThieves;all in the name of education 475983;1391380792;mircea_popescu;the ideal one'd be co.in of course. 475984;1391380809;mircea_popescu;i don't think we're springing for that tho 475985;1391380829;ThickAsThieves;maybe this guy is selling http://altco.in 475986;1391380843;jurov;fc.uk 475987;1391380977;ThickAsThieves;i shoulda done the damn domain squatting ipo 475988;1391380979;ThickAsThieves;.coin 475989;1391380981;ThickAsThieves;.bitcoin 475990;1391380982;ThickAsThieves;etc 475991;1391380995;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in countries which are not slovenia : http://noescapepublicnudity.tumblr.com/image/42491287328 475992;1391381036;jurov;that's in czech rep 475993;1391381064;mircea_popescu;mhm 475994;1391381073;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wtbdt/doge_devs_just_fucked_all_the_initial_investors/ 475995;1391381074;ozbot;Doge devs just fucked all the initial investors by making Doge very inflationary and removing the ca 475996;1391381085;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves ha! 475997;1391381087;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 475998;1391381089;herbijudlestoids;lol "investors" 475999;1391381099;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids no, they actually believe this 476000;1391381125;KRS-;http://shouldipanicsell.com/ 476001;1391381125;ozbot;Should i panic sell ? 476002;1391381127;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wtbdt/doge_devs_just_fucked_all_the_initial_investors/cf5fcfg 476003;1391381127;KRS-;lmao 476004;1391381128;ozbot;TATInvestments comments on Doge devs just fucked all the initial investors by making Doge very infla 476005;1391381132;KRS-;Hey ozbot wb 476006;1391381138;KRS-;.bait 476007;1391381139;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzynlvUDlu1r2mc2eo1_500.jpg 476008;1391381147;ThickAsThieves;actually 476009;1391381151;KRS-;ThickAsThieves think this is a good buying opportunity? 476010;1391381154;ThickAsThieves;no source code! 476011;1391381159;ThickAsThieves;its a feature! 476012;1391381160;KRS-;Oh my bait 476013;1391381209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76350 @ 0.00093503 = 71.3895 BTC [+] {3} 476014;1391381231;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves here's the cool part : 19:24:15 476015;1391381232;mircea_popescu;mircea_popescu: 476016;1391381232;mircea_popescu;basically bitcoin got attacked in 2013 by the most unlikely of sources : the dieing start-up circus. that was... bout 6 hours 20 mins ago ? 476017;1391381256;mircea_popescu;the numerous conincidences of cryptozoo. 476018;1391381292;pankkake;http://i.imgur.com/cE3U4dJ.jpg 476019;1391381331;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 476020;1391381333;ThickAsThieves;i wash my hair of this! 476021;1391381363;pankkake;dogecoin isn't especially inflationary 476022;1391381388;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wtbiu/how_i_stole_roughly_100_btc_from_an_exchange_and/ 476023;1391381391;ozbot;How I stole roughly 100 BTC from an exchange and how I could have stolen more : Bitcoin 476024;1391381396;ThickAsThieves;(Coinbase) 476025;1391381433;pankkake;lol what kind of noob thing allows that 476026;1391381445;pankkake;first post on point 476027;1391381496;benkay;wowee #dogecoin is an utter shitshow 476028;1391381501;ThickAsThieves;mpex does same thing sometimes, no? 476029;1391381506;ThickAsThieves;the Bugpowder incident 476030;1391381514;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12323332 = 0.3697 BTC [+] {2} 476031;1391381528;KRS-;Mmm 476032;1391381529;KRS-;.bait 476033;1391381530;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0m64is25j1qaooc8o1_500.jpg 476034;1391381537;dub;benkay: yeah lol 476035;1391381538;jurov;but it did not end up with successful withdrawal 476036;1391381545;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves how you mean ? 476037;1391381551;herbijudlestoids;KRS- just sits in here baitin all day 476038;1391381551;dub;its like /b/ without ritalin 476039;1391381560;ThickAsThieves;he got a receipt for an option he didnt get 476040;1391381575;KRS-;.bait is a nice feature. 476041;1391381585;jurov;afaik only once me and smickles confused mircea into doing a withdrawal twice 476042;1391381586;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxmqrg63E61r1ricko1_1280.jpg 476043;1391381617;mircea_popescu;so how is this related ? 476044;1391381653;ThickAsThieves;just saying that not just noobs have systems that can break linear value movement 476045;1391381672;jurov;oh yes, lock yer balances correctly 476046;1391381708;mircea_popescu;mpex spouts all sorts of crap all the time tho, 476047;1391381724;mircea_popescu;bujt the problem there seems to be that they executed crap, not that they claimed crap 476048;1391381766;ThickAsThieves;pots and kettles can share color, but not shape 476049;1391381803;mircea_popescu;making a woman is hard enough 476050;1391381813;mircea_popescu;making her also say what she means is beyond even what god can accomplish 476051;1391381821;ThickAsThieves;amen 476052;1391381871;ThickAsThieves;mpex is a tin woman? 476053;1391381880;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.125 = 0.25 BTC [+] 476054;1391381885;ThickAsThieves;the burden of money 476055;1391381887;davout;mircea_popescu: lol 476056;1391381966;mircea_popescu;look, we got fixed len str 476057;1391382032;mircea_popescu;jurov there's a guy that managed to get his assets transferred twice back in the old days (2012), netted like 300 btc from it. 476058;1391382045;mircea_popescu;opperator error. 476059;1391382056;jurov;nice. i gained only 10btc. 476060;1391382063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00093536 = 14.2175 BTC [+] {2} 476061;1391382145;mircea_popescu;"I don't see this making a difference. There are lost coins in every currency. A 10K block reward is peanuts. Any anyways, the developers could always modify this in the future if it became a problem." 476062;1391382151;mircea_popescu;gotta love all the damage control. 476063;1391382156;mircea_popescu;someone's working overtime this weekend. 476064;1391382191;ThickAsThieves;the realize the power of Altcoin and that they need to gut themselves quickly 476065;1391382195;ThickAsThieves;they* 476066;1391382222;herbijudlestoids;here are the MPOE trade volumes http://imgur.com/fNa5B9q per tick, no discernible diurnal pattern 476067;1391382232;ThickAsThieves;100 Bitcoin ATMs Land In Australia 476068;1391382234;ThickAsThieves;not bad! 476069;1391382265;mircea_popescu;actually from there seems people are coding their bots to sorta split orders over ticks huh 476070;1391382285;herbijudlestoids;almost certainly 476071;1391382289;mircea_popescu;(i wouldn't expect any pattern, since most everyone will be trading via pympex or similar, it's trivial to just schedule w/e) 476072;1391382302;mircea_popescu;diurnal or w/e i mean 476073;1391382325;herbijudlestoids;well most stuff i watch is traded algorithmically in aggregate and still has strong diurnal patterns 476074;1391382335;herbijudlestoids;i guess usage is much higher 476075;1391382338;mircea_popescu;this is a point 476076;1391382349;mircea_popescu;maybe people actually suck at algos in fiat ? 476077;1391382361;mircea_popescu;ie, their algorithmia is more akin to a wheelchair than a car 476078;1391382411;mircea_popescu;alternatively, australia, japan, china, russia, iran, europe, the us... there might be some slight pattern not visible cause low sample yet. 476079;1391382421;herbijudlestoids;yes thats possible too 476080;1391382439;mircea_popescu;basically what do you see in the other stuff, the pacific ocean right ? 476081;1391382474;herbijudlestoids;depends, but mostly the tokyo/london/NY is the 3 prominent phases 476082;1391382479;mircea_popescu;ah 476083;1391382489;mircea_popescu;well also yeah, bitcoin doesn't realyl have "financial centers" 476084;1391382491;herbijudlestoids;and the hours where they overlap liquidity is strongest 476085;1391382538;herbijudlestoids;for example tokyo/london overlap is only slightly less liquid than london/NY overlap, and in currencies like AUDJPY or index futs like HSI its more liquid 476086;1391382573;herbijudlestoids;doesnt have financial centers, yet ;) 476087;1391382597;mircea_popescu;i doubt it'll ever have any. why would it ? 476088;1391382668;mircea_popescu;also... i suspect a large number of btc people are not-normal sleep patterned. 476089;1391382692;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: lets say for example bitstamp becomes the #1 worldwide retail payment gateway foreverything forever 476090;1391382701;mircea_popescu;okay 476091;1391382712;herbijudlestoids;obviously they will affect the diurnal pattern because they do payouts on a cyclical basis 476092;1391382720;herbijudlestoids;err bitstamp==bitpay, sorry 476093;1391382738;mircea_popescu;lol bitstamp made some sense, even if kako was gonna kill you once he got his electric chair back 476094;1391382746;mircea_popescu;but bitpay ?! i dun see it in any sense. 476095;1391382787;mircea_popescu;anyway. few people if at all trade on this junkie's routine, of gotta wait for check to clear style. 476096;1391382805;mircea_popescu;generally people maintain liquidity through planning, it'd be rare that a trade has to be stayed because waiting for confirms. 476097;1391382844;herbijudlestoids;ye, i was mostly just curious, actually kind of hoping to see an obvious time based pattern so i could focus some efforts into that window 476098;1391382848;mircea_popescu;it'd also be antieconomical 476099;1391383039;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.17 BTC [+] 476100;1391383040;herbijudlestoids;anyway, i guess i better do some real work today since its monday. 476101;1391383046;herbijudlestoids;behave yourselves children :) 476102;1391383344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2633 @ 0.0009328 = 2.4561 BTC [-] 476103;1391383359;benkay;mircea_popescu: pm 476104;1391383405;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 476105;1391383527;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.57724998 = 2.309 BTC [+] {3} 476106;1391383771;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 400 @ 0.005 = 2 BTC 476107;1391384198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14161 @ 0.00093541 = 13.2463 BTC [+] 476108;1391384259;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 38 @ 0.00448889 = 0.1706 BTC [+] 476109;1391384930;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC 476110;1391385174;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00295769 = 1.4788 BTC [+] {6} 476111;1391385479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17244 @ 0.00093564 = 16.1342 BTC [+] {4} 476112;1391385998;wao-ender;oh, someone looks on cyclical bitpay payouts heh 476113;1391386626;Dimsler_;you guys 476114;1391386629;Dimsler_;what the hell blockscan 476115;1391386632;Dimsler_;and xcp 476116;1391386895;Namworld;Stupid MtGox and it's late transactions 476117;1391387553;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 14 @ 0.0288 = 0.4032 BTC [+] 476118;1391388590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00093094 = 7.401 BTC [-] {3} 476119;1391389322;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.17289988 = 0.6916 BTC [+] {3} 476120;1391389749;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 476121;1391389993;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.17289989 BTC [+] 476122;1391390237;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.002958 = 0.4437 BTC [+] 476123;1391392616;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.59016664 = 3.541 BTC [+] {4} 476124;1391392738;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.594 = 1.188 BTC [+] 476125;1391392860;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5999 BTC [+] 476126;1391392921;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.126 = 1.512 BTC [+] 476127;1391393287;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 13 @ 0.24310363 = 3.1603 BTC 476128;1391393348;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12999999 = 0.39 BTC [+] 476129;1391393470;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.12500002 BTC [-] 476130;1391393531;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.12500001 = 0.25 BTC [-] {2} 476131;1391393592;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [-] 476132;1391393653;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.112 = 1.008 BTC [-] 476133;1391393775;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.125 = 0.75 BTC [-] 476134;1391393898;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.112 BTC [-] 476135;1391393958;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.24310363 = 1.2155 BTC 476136;1391394019;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.125 = 0.75 BTC [-] 476137;1391394080;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.07333339 = 0.22 BTC [-] {2} 476138;1391394142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00093599 = 5.3351 BTC [+] 476139;1391394202;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [-] 476140;1391394263;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1225 = 0.245 BTC [-] 476141;1391394446;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9669 @ 0.00093461 = 9.0367 BTC [-] 476142;1391395239;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1398 @ 0.002958 = 4.1353 BTC [+] 476143;1391395483;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3000 @ 0.0029589 = 8.8767 BTC [+] 476144;1391395484;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 124 @ 0.00083999 = 0.1042 BTC [-] {2} 476145;1391395666;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 476146;1391395667;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+] 476147;1391396764;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00093599 = 8.0495 BTC [+] 476148;1391396825;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15999997 BTC [+] 476149;1391397008;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+] 476150;1391397801;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.000932 = 4.4736 BTC [-] 476151;1391398045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00093606 = 8.0033 BTC [+] {2} 476152;1391398228;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.125 = 0.25 BTC [+] 476153;1391398656;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15999997 BTC [+] 476154;1391398838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5062 @ 0.0009319 = 4.7173 BTC [-] {2} 476155;1391399997;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.24310363 = 3.6466 BTC 476156;1391400242;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 50 @ 0.005 = 0.25 BTC 476157;1391400424;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 55 @ 0.00448889 = 0.2469 BTC [+] 476158;1391400546;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.04979999 = 0.3486 BTC [+] 476159;1391400851;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15999993 BTC [-] 476160;1391400973;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.59992076 = 7.799 BTC [+] {2} 476161;1391401096;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00581408 = 0.1105 BTC [-] {3} 476162;1391401156;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2804 @ 0.00093227 = 2.6141 BTC [+] {2} 476163;1391401339;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15999993 BTC [-] 476164;1391401400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00093004 = 1.5811 BTC [-] 476165;1391402193;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.15999994 = 0.32 BTC [+] {2} 476166;1391402315;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC 476167;1391403230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00093294 = 2.3324 BTC [+] 476168;1391404328;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 297 @ 0.00083988 = 0.2494 BTC [+] {2} 476169;1391404329;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15999994 BTC [+] 476170;1391405060;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15999994 BTC [+] 476171;1391405914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8023 @ 0.00093006 = 7.4619 BTC [-] {2} 476172;1391406585;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00093391 = 12.0474 BTC [+] {2} 476173;1391406768;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.125 = 0.375 BTC [+] 476174;1391408599;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00093425 = 4.1107 BTC [+] 476175;1391409269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00093003 = 9.5793 BTC [-] {2} 476176;1391409391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7214 @ 0.00092895 = 6.7014 BTC [-] {2} 476177;1391409635;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00092837 = 3.7599 BTC [-] 476178;1391409940;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 40 @ 0.0044889 = 0.1796 BTC [+] {2} 476179;1391410489;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595 BTC [-] 476180;1391411161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00092837 = 1.6711 BTC [-] 476181;1391411831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00093335 = 0.6533 BTC [+] 476182;1391413539;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11229 @ 0.00093481 = 10.497 BTC [+] {3} 476183;1391414637;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 750 @ 0.00093123 = 0.6984 BTC [-] 476184;1391414881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00093123 = 1.7693 BTC [-] 476185;1391415308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00093616 = 4.0255 BTC [+] 476186;1391416162;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.24310363 = 2.1879 BTC 476187;1391416711;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 476188;1391416772;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-] 476189;1391416894;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-] 476190;1391417382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00093123 = 5.1218 BTC [-] 476191;1391418114;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 203 @ 0.00583557 = 1.1846 BTC [+] {12} 476192;1391418236;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 273 @ 0.00594777 = 1.6237 BTC [+] {8} 476193;1391418297;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00595629 = 1.7869 BTC [+] {8} 476194;1391418358;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00596832 = 0.8952 BTC [+] {4} 476195;1391419212;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.1255 = 0.8785 BTC [+] 476196;1391422018;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595 BTC [-] 476197;1391422994;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1354 @ 0.00296265 = 4.0114 BTC [+] {5} 476198;1391424702;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 476199;1391425800;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.141 BTC [-] 476200;1391426349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1364 @ 0.00093616 = 1.2769 BTC [+] 476201;1391427264;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00093607 = 2.9954 BTC [-] 476202;1391427508;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 476203;1391427630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00093616 = 2.3404 BTC [+] 476204;1391427874;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.14999998 = 0.45 BTC [+] 476205;1391427996;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.14999998 BTC [+] 476206;1391428545;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 476207;1391428606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00093358 = 13.9103 BTC [-] {4} 476208;1391429094;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.112 = 0.336 BTC [-] {2} 476209;1391429155;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC 476210;1391430985;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC 476211;1391433486;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 163 @ 0.002975 = 0.4849 BTC [+] 476212;1391433547;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 186 @ 0.00448889 = 0.8349 BTC [-] 476213;1391433730;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 185 @ 0.00295445 = 0.5466 BTC [-] {2} 476214;1391433913;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00298499 = 1.791 BTC [+] {3} 476215;1391433914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12107 @ 0.00093629 = 11.3357 BTC [+] {4} 476216;1391433974;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.0735 = 0.294 BTC [+] {2} 476217;1391434035;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.0722 = 0.4332 BTC [-] 476218;1391434218;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1271 @ 0.0001184 = 0.1505 BTC [+] {2} 476219;1391434584;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 54 @ 0.00444 = 0.2398 BTC [-] 476220;1391434645;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 476221;1391435194;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04841 = 0.4841 BTC [-] 476222;1391435316;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 15 @ 0.02966865 = 0.445 BTC [+] {4} 476223;1391437939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00093164 = 14.9994 BTC [-] 476224;1391438183;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.112 = 0.224 BTC [-] 476225;1391438896;kakobrekla;dobr dan urh 476226;1391439001;jurov;vitaj 476227;1391439118;kakobrekla;i moved my ass to civilization btw 476228;1391439228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00093412 = 2.9425 BTC [+] 476229;1391439838;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57013103 = 1.1403 BTC [-] {2} 476230;1391439899;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00561916 = 0.1011 BTC [-] {5} 476231;1391440021;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 476232;1391440533;kakobrekla;Panacea performance for January after fees: +0.12% (very calm month, only 2 trades executed) 476233;1391440633;jurov;and bitbet? 476234;1391440652;kakobrekla;dunno what mp is slackin! 476235;1391440654;jurov;or mircea does the report? 476236;1391440668;kakobrekla;yep 476237;1391440688;jurov;s.mg is there, so it should be in pipeline 476238;1391440696;kakobrekla;yea 476239;1391440702;kakobrekla;one of these days. 476240;1391440812;jurov;and then prodding mircea to pay divs :) 476241;1391441607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00093456 = 5.0466 BTC [+] {2} 476242;1391441912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15872 @ 0.00093652 = 14.8644 BTC [+] {4} 476243;1391442949;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02969 = 0.2375 BTC [+] 476244;1391443620;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2849 @ 0.00083989 = 2.3928 BTC [+] {8} 476245;1391443867;Rulother;is Freenode having issues? 476246;1391443877;Duffer1;ya man 476247;1391444280;asdfasdfsdf;"mitigating a ddos" 476248;1391444281;asdfasdfsdf;https://twitter.com/freenodestaff 476249;1391444535;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.135 BTC [-] 476250;1391445023;wao-ender;yeah, someone used ntp amp attack 476251;1391445024;wao-ender;afaik 476252;1391445031;wao-ender;rumors said, there was over 50GB/s 476253;1391445085;asdfasdfsdf;what's the financial motive for ddos'ing freenode? i don't get it. 476254;1391445100;asdfasdfsdf;maybe just practicing 476255;1391445126;Duffer1;nsa testing terrist disruption system 476256;1391445145;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00093663 = 3.2782 BTC [+] 476257;1391445221;jcpham;normally ddos is a cover for something else 476258;1391445236;jcpham;a smokescreen/diversion so the real target goes unnoticed 476259;1391445261;jcpham;gut hey what do i know 476260;1391445372;simlay;wao-ender: on freenode? I heard about 50 GB/s to cloudflare 476261;1391445393;wao-ender;why financial motive? 476262;1391445418;Duffer1;unrelated: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=446703.msg4913192#msg4913192 476263;1391445420;asdfasdfsdf;why else? these attacks can't have no cost 476264;1391445438;Duffer1;that doesn't necessitate financial motive 476265;1391445448;wao-ender;> someone said something to someone else on a channel that wasn't appreciated 476266;1391445461;wao-ender;best definition of attacks on ircd 476267;1391445511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.0009326 = 11.7508 BTC [-] 476268;1391445575;Rulother__;jesus 476269;1391445575;Rulother__;I was sad to come into work to see my channel had such low attendence 476270;1391445874;simlay;Duffer1: Interesting. Riecoin seems somewhat academic to me. 476271;1391445877;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58400001 BTC [+] 476272;1391445914;Duffer1;i look forward to reading how the PoW will work 476273;1391446545;chatquack;What is this maddness? 476274;1391446699;simlay;chatquack: freenode is getting ddos'ed. 476275;1391446792;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 0.34956050 BTC to 9`577 shares, 3650 satoshi per share 476276;1391446914;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.61090861 BTC to 533 shares, 114617 satoshi per share 476277;1391447464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00093193 = 2.7026 BTC [-] {2} 476278;1391447646;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13475999 BTC [-] 476279;1391447829;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 29 @ 0.02969 = 0.861 BTC [+] 476280;1391448256;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2184 @ 0.00299269 = 6.536 BTC [+] {6} 476281;1391448378;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.135 = 0.27 BTC [+] 476282;1391448379;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 335 @ 0.003 = 1.005 BTC [+] 476283;1391448805;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02969 = 0.3563 BTC [+] 476284;1391448867;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-] 476285;1391450696;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 476286;1391450818;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.003 = 0.15 BTC [+] 476287;1391451184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10305 @ 0.00093136 = 9.5977 BTC [-] {2} 476288;1391451489;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00093552 = 8.2794 BTC [+] {2} 476289;1391452263;KRS-;Gribble indicted over ponzi allegations of Bitcoin. Global police task force investigating Cyber Currency. Warrants issued for Fontas, Woolong and Bobby Lee. Mt. Gox president Mark Karpeles detained in China for fleeing authorities in Japan. Fontas quoted as saying "YOU CAN'T STOP TEH PUMP". News at 11. PANIC! 476290;1391452817;kakobrekla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC_NmkMBKP4#t=17 476291;1391452819;diametric;seems legit 476292;1391452892;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 16 @ 0.08726873 = 1.3963 BTC [+] {9} 476293;1391452953;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.09673798 = 0.9674 BTC [+] {6} 476294;1391453075;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 1316 @ 0.00450064 = 5.9228 BTC [+] {10} 476295;1391453116;kakobrekla;it is legit 476296;1391453136;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 684 @ 0.00477418 = 3.2655 BTC [+] {17} 476297;1391453197;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 371 @ 0.00499314 = 1.8525 BTC [+] {6} 476298;1391453685;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.131 BTC [+] 476299;1391454224;pLambert;is CFIG a scam? 476300;1391454352;Duffer1;i seem to recall hating on them for some reason or another around the time the announced ipo 476301;1391454373;wao-ender;heh 476302;1391454473;lippoper;where's ozbot? 476303;1391454514;Duffer1;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=269191.msg2881689#msg2881689 476304;1391454518;jurov;;;ticker 476305;1391454519;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 935.506, Best ask: 942.37, Bid-ask spread: 6.86400, Last trade: 942.9, 24 hour volume: 1846.26821808, 24 hour low: 935.0, 24 hour high: 960.0, 24 hour vwap: 945.23548 476306;1391454526;asdfasdfsdf;ozbot is busy ddos'ing freenode 476307;1391454600;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5899 BTC [+] 476308;1391454629;Duffer1;ya cfig is another havelock scam designed to lose investors money 476309;1391454636;Duffer1;it's trading at half ipo atm 476310;1391454672;Duffer1;which is shocking, realistically it's worth far less 476311;1391454722;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.002984 = 0.5073 BTC [-] 476312;1391454922;Duffer1;oh wow 476313;1391454948;Duffer1;it's The Panama Fund that acquired Havelock, it's some of the same guys as CFIG 476314;1391454956;Duffer1;lots of things making sense now 476315;1391454988;pLambert;ok, I was trying to figure out what CFIG is supposed to do and nothing they say makes any sense to me 476316;1391455064;Duffer1;it's supposed to lose investors everything 476317;1391455114;pLambert;maybe it will be more clear if/when they produce a finacial statement next month? 476318;1391455196;Duffer1;meh, all we have is what they say, still no identifications, still no product 476319;1391455698;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.00596848 = 0.1015 BTC [+] {2} 476320;1391456301;kakobrekla;why do you do biz with unknown idiots 476321;1391456307;kakobrekla;? 476322;1391456756;pLambert;kakobrekla: who is unknown idiots? 476323;1391456774;kakobrekla;cfig? 476324;1391456793;pLambert;oh, right 476325;1391456796;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.585 BTC [-] 476326;1391456850;pLambert;is anybody on havelock not an unknown idiot? 476327;1391456857;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002984 = 0.2984 BTC [-] 476328;1391456943;kakobrekla;i do not know 476329;1391456982;Duffer1;i think neo&bee have released their IDs 476330;1391457040;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 150 @ 0.005 = 0.75 BTC [-] {3} 476331;1391457467;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002984 = 0.2984 BTC [-] 476332;1391457528;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [+] 476333;1391457650;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.11433996 = 0.5717 BTC [+] {4} 476334;1391457772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5707 @ 0.0009345 = 5.3332 BTC [-] 476335;1391457833;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.029 = 0.116 BTC [-] 476336;1391458382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00093282 = 4.6641 BTC [-] {2} 476337;1391458687;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.115 BTC [+] 476338;1391458748;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.09333334 = 0.28 BTC [-] {2} 476339;1391458870;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 211 @ 0.00082355 = 0.1738 BTC [-] {2} 476340;1391458940;dub;kakobrekla: what am I watching 476341;1391458954;dub;global warming in action obv 476342;1391459095;kakobrekla;ice ice baby 476343;1391459615;kakobrekla;back of my house https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5547/12293423185_93c68b313a_o.jpg 476344;1391459638;mike_c;whoa. i thought you fled to safety? 476345;1391459661;kakobrekla;yes 476346;1391459670;kakobrekla;pic is from yesterday 476347;1391459691;mike_c;crazy. snowing here too, i think we got 3 inches! 476348;1391459764;kakobrekla;ice is the problem really, snow not so much 476349;1391459785;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57003107 BTC [-] 476350;1391459978;dub;hot as fuck here 476351;1391460003;dub;30c with 99% humidity 476352;1391460072;jcpham;last week ice storm, 2 days later sunny and 70F 476353;1391460080;jcpham;now it's almost freezing again 476354;1391460094;dub;and im in a meeting room repurposed into a lab meaning the AC is not keeping up 476355;1391460316;kakobrekla;https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3691/11826374134_dc41849842_o.jpg 476356;1391460329;kakobrekla;and this is about 1km away in same direction 476357;1391460336;kakobrekla;at a different time 476358;1391460595;dub;jesus 476359;1391460599;dub;live in the sticks much 476360;1391460620;kakobrekla;eh 476361;1391460625;kakobrekla;its quite nice there really 476362;1391460632;dub;yeah looks it 476363;1391460690;dub;in other local news http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/02/03/1852247/anonymous-slovenia-claims-to-have-hacked-the-fbi-and-posted-emails-to-pastebinpunkman 476364;1391460749;kakobrekla;bua 476365;1391460756;kakobrekla;i thought we were out of power 476366;1391460760;kakobrekla;not hacking fbi 476367;1391460802;mike_c;out of power is the payback 476368;1391460822;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.12 = 0.24 BTC [-] 476369;1391460823;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.0059686 = 0.1134 BTC [+] 476370;1391460824;kakobrekla;its dangerous for slovenians to do this 476371;1391460840;Namworld;Do what? 476372;1391460841;kakobrekla;the usg can build a guantanamo clone and house all 2 mio slovenians there 476373;1391460870;dub;cockmeat for all 476374;1391460894;kakobrekla;jurov come over, quickly! 476375;1391460916;jurov;why? 476376;1391460957;jurov;no you should flee asap 476377;1391460985;kakobrekla;wanna switch? 476378;1391460988;jurov;swim obver to italy or whatever 476379;1391461027;nubbins`;kako still snowing? 476380;1391461030;kakobrekla;you can also admit running bitbet while you are being tortured 476381;1391461040;nubbins`_;wait, what? 476382;1391461052;nubbins`;there 476383;1391461053;kakobrekla;nubbins` not at the moment 476384;1391461060;jurov;oh, i'll stick to running unlicensed securities 476385;1391461070;jurov;they won't torture banksters 476386;1391461074;nubbins`;better keep warm 476387;1391461077;kakobrekla;and dice games :) 476388;1391461079;nubbins`;got your power back yet? 476389;1391461092;kakobrekla;nubbins` no, i moved my ass 476390;1391461100;nubbins`;ah, i see 476391;1391461114;nubbins`;did you open your faucets a little bit to prevent frozen/burst pipes? 476392;1391461138;kakobrekla;that wont be a problem 476393;1391461150;nubbins`;oh, good. messy stuff. 476394;1391461163;nubbins`;i had a ton of friends with burst pipes in early january when the power went 476395;1391461164;jurov;here, just 200 miles away, there's only filthy slush 476396;1391461189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4835 @ 0.0009369 = 4.5299 BTC [+] 476397;1391461201;kakobrekla;its not cold 476398;1391461210;kakobrekla;outside is at freezing point 476399;1391461211;jurov;*300miles 476400;1391461225;nubbins`;ah, no big deal then 476401;1391461227;Mats_cd03;'Just 300 miles' 476402;1391461229;nubbins`;jurov, what's a mile? 476403;1391461237;kakobrekla;nubbins` did you see the video i posted before 476404;1391461243;nubbins`;;;calc 300*1.6 476405;1391461243;gribble;480 476406;1391461245;nubbins`;nope 476407;1391461247;Mats_cd03;What a world we live in... 476408;1391461251;jurov;some fancy measure..1337 feet or so 476409;1391461255;nubbins`;heh 476410;1391461256;nubbins`;leet feet 476411;1391461257;kakobrekla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC_NmkMBKP4#t=17 476412;1391461280;kakobrekla;also https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5547/12293423185_93c68b313a_o.jpg 476413;1391461342;nubbins`;looks like here :D 476414;1391461367;nubbins`;oh n/m, there's the ice shots 476415;1391461371;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-] 476416;1391461382;nubbins`;ice is what fucks everything up 476417;1391461396;kakobrekla;yea 476418;1391461432;kakobrekla;the thickness of the thing... 476419;1391461470;nubbins`;nod 476420;1391461472;nubbins`;heavy stuff 476421;1391461473;jurov;if it were deep freezing this won't happen 476422;1391461482;jurov;it needs mild freeze+rain 476423;1391461485;nubbins`;^ 476424;1391461487;jurov;or mist 476425;1391461496;nubbins`;nah mist/fog eats snow and ice 476426;1391461554;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 40 @ 0.00451875 = 0.1808 BTC [-] {4} 476427;1391461604;nubbins`;reminds me of the massive canadian ice storm in 1998 476428;1391461612;nubbins`;we didn't get hit here, central canada got it pretty bad 476429;1391461613;nubbins`;http://canadaalive.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/icestorm2-pylons.jpg 476430;1391461635;nubbins`;;;seen thestringpuller 476431;1391461636;gribble;thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 0 hours, 57 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: ;;ticker 476432;1391461920;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 146 @ 0.0059686 = 0.8714 BTC [+] {2} 476433;1391461921;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.13699997 = 0.274 BTC [+] {2} 476434;1391461981;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.585 BTC [+] 476435;1391462125;Namworld;You call that heavy ice? 476436;1391462152;Namworld;Looks average. 476437;1391462164;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.0059685 = 0.3223 BTC [-] {2} 476438;1391462165;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00093305 = 12.6895 BTC [-] 476439;1391462230;Namworld;Yeah. Central Canada. I was a kid back then. I remember seeing those pylons on the news. 476440;1391462247;dub;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlPwSNz7YNg 476441;1391462250;Namworld;By the way, you must construct additional pylons. 476442;1391462286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.13699999 = 0.411 BTC [+] 476443;1391462447;kakobrekla;we dont have any trees left 476444;1391462528;Namworld;How thick is the ice? 476445;1391462565;kakobrekla;up to a few cm 476446;1391462643;Namworld;oh, nevermind what I said then 476447;1391462669;Namworld;Looks like half a centimeter on that photo 476448;1391462709;kakobrekla;over 1 cm on that pic 476449;1391462871;Namworld;I guess I miscalculated the size of those twigs 476450;1391462905;Namworld;http://www.mcgill.ca/files/reporter/4009icestorm3.jpg 476451;1391462914;Namworld;http://littlepatti.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/icestorm-1.jpg 476452;1391463446;kakobrekla;gah apparenlty ill be out of power for a week 476453;1391463467;kakobrekla;all the generators == sold 476454;1391463483;Namworld;Where are you now then? 476455;1391463515;kakobrekla;well, not at home 476456;1391463554;Namworld;That's very specific. I could never have guessed. 476457;1391463680;nubbins`;heh 476458;1391463700;nubbins`;the generators were all sold by the time the snow started, i'd say 476459;1391463994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4020 @ 0.0009369 = 3.7663 BTC [+] 476460;1391465153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00093708 = 8.5743 BTC [+] {3} 476461;1391467532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00093544 = 4.5369 BTC [-] {3} 476462;1391467538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26150 @ 0.00093373 = 24.417 BTC [-] {5} 476463;1391468508;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.13799999 = 0.276 BTC [+] {2} 476464;1391468630;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000123 = 0.123 BTC [+] 476465;1391468752;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.139 BTC [+] 476466;1391468935;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57003008 BTC [-] 476467;1391468996;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.57003007 = 1.7101 BTC [-] 476468;1391469301;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.139 BTC [+] 476469;1391469484;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 42 @ 0.04824265 = 2.0262 BTC [-] {4} 476470;1391469485;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.002984 = 0.2089 BTC [+] 476471;1391469572;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02969 = 0.1485 BTC [+] 476472;1391469632;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.139 = 0.278 BTC [+] 476473;1391469900;herbijudlestoids;hmmm maybe not...seems ok 476474;1391470299;deadweasel;glad to hear it, kako 476475;1391470853;herbijudlestoids;http://imgur.com/Pmg7JPP,Vn4Ztuh,kQPpSIQ vols, ret dist and volume 476476;1391470856;herbijudlestoids;(for MPOE) 476477;1391471707;ThickAsThieves;should anyone be interested, me ranting on Colored Coins (again) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg4921544#msg4921544 476478;1391471748;kakobrekla;'fuck fuck shit fuck' would have same effect 476479;1391471853;nubbins`;hahaha 476480;1391471857;nubbins`;good read, but this ^^ 476481;1391471875;nubbins`;advice isn't given, it's taken 476482;1391471883;ThickAsThieves;you never know what lemming the lemmings choose to follow next! 476483;1391471913;kakobrekla;hows altcoins doing 476484;1391471930;kakobrekla;are we rich yet? 476485;1391471946;nubbins`;so i'm wondering if there's a reasonable method by which i could use my s.mg stock warrant as the basis for selling options 476486;1391471950;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 476487;1391471970;nubbins`;seems to me like without some sort of pre-existing framework in which to do so (and afaik there is none), there's too much trust involved for it to work 476488;1391471976;kakobrekla;is there a market for it? 476489;1391471995;nubbins`;well, s.mg is pretty low volume 476490;1391472032;nubbins`;but i think in 6-12 months or so, you'll see it priced 3-4x current 476491;1391472062;ThickAsThieves;nubbins wants btct style options on mpex 476492;1391472067;ThickAsThieves;optionize all the things! 476493;1391472075;nubbins`;i don't think there's a market for it today, anyway 476494;1391472084;kakobrekla;buy shares then 476495;1391472087;nubbins`;thing all the things! 476496;1391472092;ThickAsThieves;:) 476497;1391472116;nubbins`;what makes you think i don't have any :D 476498;1391472150;ThickAsThieves;Altcoin is still waiting for its source code, though I'm wondering if we need to wait and can't just do it ourselves from the genesis block 476499;1391472150;kakobrekla;*moar 476500;1391472159;nubbins`;heh 476501;1391472179;ThickAsThieves;pankakke can you save Altcoin? 476502;1391472438;ThickAsThieves;also, did benkay ever sort an estimate for altgen.io? 476503;1391472682;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.131 = 0.262 BTC [-] 476504;1391472743;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 476505;1391472808;benkay;a few months is the answer 476506;1391472814;benkay;for some of the parts 476507;1391472820;benkay;mp wants the moon, unsurprisingly. 476508;1391472834;kakobrekla;what is altgen io 476509;1391472837;ThickAsThieves;i see 476510;1391472848;ThickAsThieves;its coingen.io properly 476511;1391472896;benkay;the altcoin generation bit is pretty easily did and the exchange its own bundle o' giggles but there are performance considerations around running an arbitrary number of wallet watchers 476512;1391472953;ThickAsThieves;so it needs more people 476513;1391473003;benkay;ha 476514;1391473024;benkay;ever heard of the Mythical Man Month? 476515;1391473065;benkay;anyways 476516;1391473105;nubbins`;"surely if we divide this pizza into a thousand equal slices and gather a thousand men, it will be consumed quicker" 476517;1391473132;kakobrekla;so, bit4x just made a switch from dBTC to mBTC, which is 1:10 going to 1:1000, but i only feel 10 times richer 476518;1391473145;benkay;i can definitely arrange for btc to get burned. i don't think that's a sensible business plan, though. 476519;1391473177;ThickAsThieves;appreciated 476520;1391473250;dub;http://cheezburger.com/8013939200?ref=rightarrow&siteId=75 476521;1391473268;mircea_popescu;?ref=rightarrow ? srsly ? 476522;1391473279;dub;srsly 476523;1391473334;kakobrekla;myea, correctarrow would be more appropriate 476524;1391473356;mircea_popescu;o look who's here 476525;1391473366;kakobrekla;for the time being 476526;1391473377;mircea_popescu;dude i looked at footage, what the fuck, there's been no snow. you got a little freezing rain. 476527;1391473384;mircea_popescu;you know that's boston EVERY WINTER 476528;1391473393;kakobrekla;nah, pics dont do it justice 476529;1391473396;mircea_popescu;slovenia scam emergency 476530;1391473404;kakobrekla;srsly, its tits up 476531;1391473409;mircea_popescu;srsly ? 476532;1391473417;kakobrekla;up to few cm of ice on _everything_ 476533;1391473418;mircea_popescu;maybe that's just its natural position... 476534;1391473422;mircea_popescu;soooo ? 476535;1391473428;kakobrekla;like sight unseen 476536;1391473442;kakobrekla;it fucked all the trees 476537;1391473445;mircea_popescu;sight unseen maybe, but srsly, freezing rain is no emergency. 476538;1391473446;kakobrekla;all the power lines 476539;1391473450;mircea_popescu;well... they're trees. what are they there for. 476540;1391473460;nubbins`;after it gets to a certain thickness, it's an emergency 476541;1391473464;nubbins`;ice is HEAVY 476542;1391473464;kakobrekla;my house will be out of power for a week probably 476543;1391473471;kakobrekla;same for running water 476544;1391473473;mircea_popescu;if water stopped running btw, 476545;1391473477;ThickAsThieves;will it still have a rough? 476546;1391473478;mircea_popescu;expect 2-3 weeks till they fix all the pipes 476547;1391473479;ThickAsThieves;roof 476548;1391473481;ThickAsThieves;lol 476549;1391473492;ThickAsThieves;canine slip 476550;1391473501;mircea_popescu;that'd have been "a woof" 476551;1391473506;mircea_popescu;what you said is bdsmslip 476552;1391473517;ThickAsThieves;lol 476553;1391473541;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at bar, http://31.media.tumblr.com/098e51ac0c0c7ec3e7df2d02195e229e/tumblr_mhu879mk0V1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg 476554;1391473564;ThickAsThieves;lol, girls get so mad at girls 476555;1391473584;mircea_popescu;mhm. 476556;1391473587;nubbins`;meanwhile at heavily airbrushed face 476557;1391473587;deadweasel;look at her face! she's like "whut a slanka!" 476558;1391473597;mircea_popescu;"how dares she be sexually adventurous to a greater degree than me!!11" 476559;1391473617;deadweasel;who are these naked women in your bars? 476560;1391473623;deadweasel;why do I not have this bar? 476561;1391473629;mircea_popescu;nubbins` don't hate, some people have the misfortune of falling on a running millstone 476562;1391473643;mircea_popescu;deadweasel they're more like girls than women, really. 476563;1391473652;nubbins`;well ya know. maybe that look is pity rather than contempt, then 476564;1391473661;nubbins`;"poor mash-face has to get naked to be noticed" 476565;1391473663;mircea_popescu;take this one. nulliparous. 476566;1391473682;kakobrekla;http://img.rtvslo.si/_up/upload/2014/02/03/65072193_photo_375919_20140203_4.jpg 476567;1391473695;kakobrekla;http://img.rtvslo.si/_up/upload/2014/02/03/65072198_photo_375957_20140203_4.jpg 476568;1391473704;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla did the ice also cover all your vowels ? 476569;1391473711;mircea_popescu;or was the language like that to begin with. 476570;1391473737;kakobrekla;is like that in all weather 476571;1391473788;deadweasel;mircea_popescu: point taken, srs tho are you giving out btc for clothing? 476572;1391473793;mircea_popescu;wow pole actually fell over iceweight huh 476573;1391473796;kakobrekla;http://img.rtvslo.si/_up/upload/2014/02/03/65072200_photo_375962_20140203_4.jpg 476574;1391473802;mircea_popescu;deadweasel moar like bitcents. 476575;1391473803;kakobrekla;not 1, like 100 476576;1391473809;mircea_popescu;which i suppose is technically btc too... 476577;1391473825;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla so that's what, like 80-85% ? 476578;1391473825;deadweasel;it's good to be the king 476579;1391473836;deadweasel;i still make them get naked with nice cheap words. 476580;1391473846;deadweasel;less successfully tho, mind you 476581;1391473881;kakobrekla;less 476582;1391473892;kakobrekla;i dunno 476583;1391473901;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla anyway, great you're ok. 476584;1391473911;kakobrekla;theres about 1000 transformers damaged 476585;1391473920;deadweasel;holy shit, that's going to be a while... 476586;1391473930;dub;fucken global warming 476587;1391473940;nubbins`;dub, the climate isn't changing 476588;1391473941;mircea_popescu;yeah they got troubles. i was just making light of it because i'm an asshole in a tropical climate 70 miles away. 476589;1391473943;nubbins`;it's a lefty conspiracy 476590;1391473957;mircea_popescu;meanwhile back at finance ranch, http://trilema.com/2014/snsa-january-2014-statement/ 476591;1391473963;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+] 476592;1391473964;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.03400075 = 0.102 BTC [-] {2} 476593;1391473966;kakobrekla;its gonna take a year+ to fix all damage 476594;1391473972;kakobrekla;and years to clean up the forrests 476595;1391473977;mircea_popescu;nubbins` dun be telling dub it's a lefty conspiracy, he's been sayin' it since b4 you were boarn, son. 476596;1391474005;nubbins`;loony lefties 476597;1391474064;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla the snowdrops came out all over here. 476598;1391474079;kakobrekla;:) 476599;1391474207;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 476600;1391474257;dub;having not followed cardano at all, any utility in it shipping with 'hardware' encrypted disk as a value add? 476601;1391474268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.0009347 = 18.8809 BTC [+] 476602;1391474268;asciilifeform;dub: elaborate 476603;1391474339;dub;bolt on some flash that can't be casually read without having whatever other requisite peice 476604;1391474375;dub;mp is a big fan of fde 476605;1391474384;asciilifeform;dub: if you recall, cardano presents as a disk. anything written to said disk is encrypted 476606;1391474390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40023 @ 0.00092945 = 37.1994 BTC [-] {4} 476607;1391474393;dub;oh good 476608;1391474399;asciilifeform;(pulling the flash card gets you nothing) 476609;1391474445;mircea_popescu;well... in fact it DOES get you high quality entropy. 476610;1391474467;mircea_popescu;not as high as using the thing as intended, but still. 476611;1391474508;asciilifeform;i sorta wonder if anybody bothered to read the original spec 476612;1391474527;asciilifeform;what do people think cardano is. an electric saw? 476613;1391474535;dub;hardware rng 476614;1391474561;asciilifeform;rng is simply a part therein 476615;1391474568;asciilifeform;(two of them, to be exact) 476616;1391474586;deadweasel;can my electric saw have one of those neked bar girls attached? 476617;1391474619;Mats_cd03;ozbot is dead, long live ozbot 476618;1391474621;asciilifeform;if we only wanted to ship rng, we could've done so in november. to all of six customers, or somesuch. 476619;1391474626;deadweasel;.bait 476620;1391474646;ThickAsThieves;"Since it's a SHA-256 coin, this is an interesting one to follow because the same equipment can mine it." I love the folds of irony Altcoin brings 476621;1391474694;dub;was just an idle thought 'hey since I'm lugging it around anyway, 64g of storage with better-than-a-truecrypt-volume security might be nice' 476622;1391474738;herbijudlestoids;approx how many MPOE shares on issue mircea_popescu? 476623;1391474756;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 900.45241962 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 180 satoshi per share 476624;1391474771;asciilifeform;dub: 'Mark I' Cardano is USB 1.1. if you're ok with ~200kB/sec on your flash drive, you can use it as such. 476625;1391474791;dub;ack, no thanks 476626;1391474805;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids no approx. 1 bn. it's in the contract. 476627;1391474813;asciilifeform;'good/cheap/quick pick two' 476628;1391474817;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.131001 = 0.262 BTC [+] 476629;1391474837;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's possibly more rng customers than gpg customers imo 476630;1391474860;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves thick, lucscious, shimmering pink folds of goodness. 476631;1391474864;asciilifeform;funny that nobody is quick to help them. 476632;1391474917;dub;we're mostly only just learning how broken existing offers are tho rite? 476633;1391474922;mircea_popescu;two clowns in a restaurant 476634;1391474926;mircea_popescu;"does this taste funny to you ?" 476635;1391474939;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 476636;1391474950;mircea_popescu;dub notrly, we're mostly just reading the guardian about how fucking exciting it is to be like at the guardian. also diets. 476637;1391474954;dub;the royal unwasher we're 476638;1391474957;dub;unwashed 476639;1391474964;nubbins`;guy walks into a bar and orders a glass of brake fluid. "brake fluid?", the barkeep asks. 476640;1391474976;nubbins`;"yeah, i'm addicted," the guy says, "but i can stop whenever i want" 476641;1391474979;asciilifeform;dub: there's maybe a dozen outfits selling dedicated rngs, of various cost and quality. 476642;1391474985;Mats_cd03;i have a brilliant idea for a bitcoin venture 476643;1391474996;Mats_cd03;and i'm giving it away for free 476644;1391475002;dub;ya - 8 Ways Your Sphincter Will Tighten When You Read This Amazing Conspirace 476645;1391475009;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: so is my calculation as the P/E of MPOE to be ~55 correct? 476646;1391475011;Mats_cd03;read: bitcoin tontines 476647;1391475021;ThickAsThieves;anyone following the Open Transactions guy? 476648;1391475023;mircea_popescu;lol "royal unwasher", i chuckled. 476649;1391475025;ThickAsThieves;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teNzIFu5L70 476650;1391475033;nubbins`;Mats_cd03: funny thing about ideas... 476651;1391475035;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids sounds about right. 476652;1391475037;ThickAsThieves;i like how he's not smooth at all 476653;1391475051;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves very... zoomedoutedly so to speak. 476654;1391475061;deadweasel;Mats_cd03: just's watched the simpsons tontine episode? 476655;1391475087;Mats_cd03;deadweasel: no i was thinking about the double deuces episode in archer just now 476656;1391475112;Mats_cd03;but it looks like nubbins` is rite and i'm unoriginal 476657;1391475113;dub;they made more archer? rad 476658;1391475113;deadweasel;ah yes, forgot taht one.. those two episode made me laugh harder than I have in months 476659;1391475118;Mats_cd03;kill self 476660;1391475121;deadweasel;starts to fade at the third 476661;1391475122;ThickAsThieves;"i'm gonna make servers that you dont have to trust" 476662;1391475128;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: and the div yield ~2.5%? 476663;1391475129;Mats_cd03;dub: there is also more archer... 3 eps out i belieb 476664;1391475135;deadweasel;tongiht is a new one! 476665;1391475149;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su-HUDo7XQ4 476666;1391475173;Mats_cd03;i wish i had friends that would put in for a tontine 476667;1391475187;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids something like that. depends on how exactly you calculate the reference price. 476668;1391475210;nubbins`;what was it, the flying hellfish or something? 476669;1391475220;deadweasel;how do you reveal your private key to the right person when you die? holy shit, we need bitcoin TRUST FUNDS... 476670;1391475228;herbijudlestoids;so based on those numbers i calculate the "market implied annual EPS growth rate" to be 86% 476671;1391475238;herbijudlestoids;(approx) 476672;1391475240;asciilifeform;one could conceivably implement it as a 'dead man's switch' 476673;1391475241;Mats_cd03;i imagine it would be in escrow 476674;1391475249;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids mind that you are calculating something over a very fastly changing curve. 476675;1391475254;deadweasel;ah yes, if you don't reply to the email after a month, it's sent out 476676;1391475257;mircea_popescu;something akin to "the average value of sin(x)" 476677;1391475267;asciilifeform;every year the participants put out crypto-signed whatever, if one doesn't, his share goes in the pot 476678;1391475285;dub;hardware dead man switch 476679;1391475286;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform once the space stabilizes some i expect tontines will actually work great. 476680;1391475292;mircea_popescu;very easy to run them transparently. 476681;1391475298;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: which curve is fastly changing? the earnings? 476682;1391475303;Mats_cd03;that sounds like good fun, although i'd be worried about getting killed if this wasn't pseudonymous 476683;1391475314;dub;no heartbeat for 8 hours, upload key 476684;1391475317;Mats_cd03;but i suppose thats 99% of the fun amirite 476685;1391475341;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids many things. in jan last, there were ~7mn btc. now there's 12mn. 476686;1391475348;asciilifeform;a 'kinder, gentler' tontine, where you don't have to plug your rivals, just help them forget to check their mail 476687;1391475349;mircea_popescu;think... m3 changed by... 60% ? wow. 476688;1391475362;mircea_popescu;then there were like 3 major craters or so. 476689;1391475386;mircea_popescu;after pirate we had a 4 month freezeout which was the worst i ever saw, almost killed the s.dice ipo 476690;1391475391;mircea_popescu;it.was.bad. 476691;1391475396;herbijudlestoids;so how does that affect my calculation? 476692;1391475403;mircea_popescu;i don't think any current sovereign could survive such depression at all. 476693;1391475425;mircea_popescu;well... your calculation sits atop and intends to represent an economic reality. which is very fast chaning. 476694;1391475430;herbijudlestoids;basically all im saying is that if EPS is expected to grow ~86%p.a. then MPOE is a fair value investment, if less then its overvalued, if more then undervalued 476695;1391475451;mircea_popescu;"sin(x) is expected to be 0" 476696;1391475453;mircea_popescu;sure. 476697;1391475455;asciilifeform;well, to be fair, if the participants paid for food/housing with btc, there might've been an actual body count rather than simple whining 476698;1391475464;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform indeed. 476699;1391475471;ThickAsThieves;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teNzIFu5L70#t=647 at 10:44, lols 476700;1391475476;nubbins`;asciilifeform: there's always this year :D 476701;1391475483;mircea_popescu;yet again one of our major strengths turns out to have been what clueless noobs imagined is a weakness. 476702;1391475498;nubbins`;what i want to see is a major utility announce that they ONLY accept btc. 476703;1391475498;mircea_popescu;if btc had actual economic adherence in 2012-2013 we'd have been fucked with a capital CK 476704;1391475528;nubbins`;if it had adherence, maybe those events wouldn't have happened 476705;1391475539;nubbins`;did you even WATCH back to the future? ;( 476706;1391475558;mircea_popescu;nubbins` it's a flattering point, but i very much doubt it. 476707;1391475563;mircea_popescu;who knwos tho. alternative pasts. 476708;1391475568;Mats_cd03;utilities being for rich entities seeking modest, secure returns, i dont see that happening 476709;1391475573;asciilifeform;at some point we'll see the destitute and desperate sell their organs for a btc or two, to pay their meters. but not soon. 476710;1391475616;nubbins`;i never really viewed the wet parts trade as a thing where sellers sought buyers. 476711;1391475626;nubbins`;what do you do, hang around a hospital? 476712;1391475642;mircea_popescu;doh ?! 476713;1391475646;mircea_popescu;what do you think the chinese do / 476714;1391475658;mircea_popescu;they send recruiting teams in the poor farmland, give kids laptops take their kidneys. 476715;1391475661;mircea_popescu;it's grotesque. 476716;1391475669;nubbins`;well exactly 476717;1391475672;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the chinese famously hang around the town scaffold 476718;1391475673;nubbins`;buyers lead the trade 476719;1391475685;mircea_popescu;o i see what you meant. 476720;1391475689;dub;I thought they just pick a religion and use its practitioners 476721;1391475698;mircea_popescu;dub yeah but they ran out of religions meanwhile. 476722;1391475704;dub;witness falung gong 476723;1391475704;nubbins`;"who will buy my kidney" will attract nobody, because who wants the kidney of someone destitute enough to want to sell theirs? 476724;1391475710;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they're selling about 100k parts a year by the latest numbers i saw. 476725;1391475718;mircea_popescu;they're not executing 1k people a year 476726;1391475721;ThickAsThieves; what i want to see is a major utility announce that they ONLY accept btc. <<<< i might add "design a 100% Pure Bitcoin seal design" to my todo list 476727;1391475731;asciilifeform;by one account, ~20k/yr 476728;1391475734;ThickAsThieves;need to promote the concept 476729;1391475735;nubbins`;design a design and thing all the things 476730;1391475738;dub;nubbins`: theres a market, supply/demand and all that jazz 476731;1391475741;ThickAsThieves;you know me! 476732;1391475748;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah well that's where things get debated. 476733;1391475754;nubbins`;dub: sure, but the person who wants the kidney goes out and finds one they like. 476734;1391475760;dub;no 476735;1391475764;nubbins`;they don't wait for some asshole to come to them 476736;1391475772;asciilifeform;odd that there is dispute. chinese executions are quite the opposite of secret. 476737;1391475778;asciilifeform;but perhaps nobody bothers to count 476738;1391475781;nubbins`;^ 476739;1391475802;Mats_cd03;100k is incredibly low for 1.3bln 476740;1391475804;dub;harvesting facilities are in the jails ffs 476741;1391475815;nubbins`;sure, but again, that's not sellers seeking buyers 476742;1391475819;nubbins`;it's the opposite 476743;1391475825;nubbins`;buyers saying "you. right there." 476744;1391475827;dub;they have cought murican cosmetics companies red handed buying chinese skin derivatives 476745;1391475839;Mats_cd03;define skin derivatives 476746;1391475850;nubbins`;collagen sausage casings 476747;1391475853;dub;colagen 476748;1391475857;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the official figure is about 1k ims. 476749;1391475952;Mats_cd03;does anyone else hate the tv show suits 476750;1391475962;Mats_cd03;...cause i do 476751;1391475982;dub;never heard of it 476752;1391475992;nubbins`;what's a tv show 476753;1391475999;ThickAsThieves;Mats_cd03 is a lawyer? 476754;1391476024;mircea_popescu;we're watching tv now ? 476755;1391476027;mircea_popescu;what is this, the 60s ? 476756;1391476067;kakobrekla;nope, its the 80s, irc time 476757;1391476100;nubbins`;http://www.thingcharger.com/ 476758;1391476120;mircea_popescu;if this is the 80s why do i have a beard. 476759;1391476121;nubbins`;imagine taking a 10" tablet and charging it by balancing it vertically on a male micro-usb jack 476760;1391476123;nubbins`;;( 476761;1391476147;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: because growing a mustache from scratch makes you look unkempt? :D 476762;1391476157;Vexual;http://www.aliexpress.com/item/GODLIKE-Alternator-diesel-generator/582312172.html 476763;1391476159;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.1310005 = 0.262 BTC [-] {2} 476764;1391476184;mircea_popescu;nubbins` that is exactly the sort of idiocy. it has all the markings. 476765;1391476199;mircea_popescu;buncha press logos ? as if anyone gives a shit. 476766;1391476203;nubbins`;right 476767;1391476208;mircea_popescu;this is billy mays 2015 edition. 476768;1391476215;nubbins`;"are you tired of not snapping off connectors inside your expensive electronics?" 476769;1391476262;KRS-;I am going Foo Manchu this month 476770;1391476267;asciilifeform;this is one of those cases where the lusers will be better off if the vendor takes the money and runs 476771;1391476272;nubbins`;i want to see five of these things plugged into each other 476772;1391476273;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpqiyFPdHZ4 476773;1391476277;mircea_popescu;at least the guy had a personality. 476774;1391476281;nubbins`;with five ipads smashed on the floor 476775;1391476292;nubbins`;"convenient!" 476776;1391476298;nubbins`;"break all your things at once!" 476777;1391476305;KRS-;http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-130817123929166/fu-manchu-mustache-1.jpg 476778;1391476314;mircea_popescu;that thing is actually useful. 476779;1391476322;dub;there is a retard (ipad) sized 10 key calculator in this room 476780;1391476335;mircea_popescu;you can make ~ 7lbs of crushed ice / hour with it. 476781;1391476342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17498 @ 0.00092823 = 16.2422 BTC [-] {2} 476782;1391476350;dub;I've been hilariously quipping that its more useful than the apple product to all the apple fanboys here 476783;1391476367;mircea_popescu;lol 476784;1391476427;kakobrekla;do they still sell quick chop? 476785;1391476428;asciilifeform;everybody hates apple but nobody lifts a finger to birth a half-decent unix laptop 476786;1391476429;nubbins`;speaking of mustaches 476787;1391476433;nubbins`;here's one of my better ones: 476788;1391476441;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ubuntu could have done it 476789;1391476445;mircea_popescu;but instead they decided to go all doge 476790;1391476448;Mats_cd03;asciilifeform: thats because its literally impossible to satisfy nix geeks 476791;1391476449;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/Nchmysi 476792;1391476486;asciilifeform;Mats_cd03: all you need is a machine with documented, well-behaved (at least to the desktop standard) components. 476793;1391476498;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so that means no gnome no kde right ? 476794;1391476502;dub;die antword wannabe 476795;1391476507;asciilifeform;or, failing that, an os by the same people who bake the hw 476796;1391476517;asciilifeform;a la Sun Tadpole laptop 476797;1391476525;nubbins`;dub, this was halloween 2012 476798;1391476533;nubbins`;only ONE stranger recognized my wife and i 476799;1391476537;nubbins`;wanted his picture taken ;( 476800;1391476557;asciilifeform;someone still uses gnome or kde? 476801;1391476570;dub;pic of her as yolandi plox 476802;1391476606;decimation;ascii what about novena? http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?tag=novena 476803;1391476610;dub;points if you wore the dark side of teh moon boxer shorts 476804;1391476627;asciilifeform;ah yes, the 'junkyard wars' laptop 476805;1391476637;decimation;LoL yeah it has a few extra features... 476806;1391476643;benkay;junkyard ware is all we get now asciilifeform 476807;1391476650;kakobrekla;-- 476808;1391476656;nubbins`;dub, unfortunately only blurry cellphone pictures exist 476809;1391476685;benkay;this means that people who care about the problem should probably invest some time and intellect into fixing it instead of waiting for a corporate sponsor like BSD does. 476810;1391476702;ThickAsThieves;for anyone that cares, #opentransactions exists 476811;1391476714;decimation;the amount of time and intellect required to reinvent the computer with non-crap is literally several lifetimes 476812;1391476726;asciilifeform;benkay: people who have never been involved in mass-producing hardware are in for some rude surprises 476813;1391476740;decimation;and it's not profitable, and it's likely you will make many powerful enemies 476814;1391476759;asciilifeform;decimation: not even talking about re-inventing computing here (that's what my blob is for...) but just a decent unixlike portable 476815;1391476766;asciilifeform;where, say, 'suspend mode' actually works 476816;1391476771;asciilifeform;and network card, etc 476817;1391476786;asciilifeform;*blog 476818;1391476793;decimation;oh that's a more reasonable goal. yeah you aren't going to convince the junk peddlers that it's worth their time 476819;1391476812;benkay;well look asciilifeform there's digikey, there's a 3d printer, and there's a mess of hardware out there. nobody's going to mass-produce a *nix laptop but Apple, and we can't use theirs. the solution is to cobble our own together. 476820;1391476814;nubbins`;blob 476821;1391476829;asciilifeform;you use a kbd with 3d-printed keys, i'll pass. 476822;1391476831;nubbins`;you can't use theirs? 476823;1391476856;asciilifeform;the keyboard is one of the first mass hardware items to go to shit 476824;1391476891;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.131 BTC [-] 476825;1391476899;asciilifeform;'90s laptops still had more-or-less usable ones 476826;1391476902;decimation;what I find interesting is the "market dynamics" of the iphone/ipad vs. android alternatives 476827;1391476903;asciilifeform;no such luck now 476828;1391476906;nubbins`;my mother wears the letters off her keys within ~4 months 476829;1391476929;benkay;so what's a more tractable problem: supplying high-quality keyboards for shitty cobbled together laptops, or producing entire chassis? 476830;1391476932;decimation;before the apple junk dominated, there was actually some differentiation in the marketplace amoung android devices 476831;1391476937;decimation;now everyone makes iphone clones 476832;1391476952;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 476833;1391476953;asciilifeform;on old (proper) keyboards, the letters physically cannot come off (they're injection molded, the bottom of the key is black) they just get fatter over time. 476834;1391476958;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what do people use these days ? 476835;1391476959;asciilifeform;'geological' time. 476836;1391476992;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: most recent portables have 'apple' style 'dollar store calculator' keyboards. 476837;1391477012;nubbins`;apple keyboards are a joy 476838;1391477013;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.119 BTC [+] 476839;1391477022;asciilifeform;on cheap keyboards (all of them, today) the letters are silkscreened on. 476840;1391477022;decimation;I love my old hp-48 chicklet syle keyboard. I wish someone would bring that back on a portable device 476841;1391477081;asciilifeform;i, for instance, would like an aluminum (or hell, if we're dreaming, titanium) kbd and chassis 476842;1391477090;asciilifeform;but this is not how mass industry works 476843;1391477094;mircea_popescu;mircea_popescu i mean re gnome/kde 476844;1391477104;KRS-;kde ftw 476845;1391477115;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can't speak for others, but i'm partial to http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/ 476846;1391477142;mircea_popescu;but we WERE speaking of others. 476847;1391477147;mircea_popescu;thought we were discussing mass mkt. 476848;1391477159;KRS-;reminds me of metro-x 476849;1391477159;dub;xfce4yfe 476850;1391477171;KRS-;dub: u are a sick man 476851;1391477176;nubbins`;if it's just the chassis holding you back, get one machined 476852;1391477178;asciilifeform;linux noobs are using various graphics-candy oddities, some probably based on gnome/kde, yes 476853;1391477221;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i prefer pigs without lipstick, and turds unpolished 476854;1391477226;KRS-;damn geeks took over market topic 476855;1391477233;decimation;the portable device mass market is full of different manufacturers, yet they all produce very similar knockoffs of the same design 476856;1391477246;KRS-;CDE reminds me of my Sun desktop days 476857;1391477255;decimation;what could drive such risk-adverse behaviours amoung the executive suites of those companies? 476858;1391477255;asciilifeform;decimation: and with virtually-identical internals 476859;1391477257;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.131 BTC [-] 476860;1391477274;decimation;what happens to the guy who suggests: why not try something other than an iphone clone (for instance) 476861;1391477313;decimation;I think you have a blog post about how the world is damned to repeat Job's mistakes 476862;1391477316;dub;asciilifeform: tmux? 476863;1391477318;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 476864;1391477321;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform isn't a laptop by its definition ALREADY an oddity ? 476865;1391477333;mircea_popescu;who the fuck wants to hunch over a ball cooker ? 476866;1391477354;mircea_popescu;i mean i get it, executive assistant chicks with 4 feet worth of leg. 476867;1391477368;nubbins`;heh 476868;1391477372;nubbins`;almost googled "ball cooker" 476869;1391477389;mircea_popescu;nubbins` laptops aren't for men. srsly. it 476870;1391477396;mircea_popescu;s like the cs equivalent of a dildo. 476871;1391477409;nubbins`;"laptop" is a misnomer 476872;1391477417;nubbins`;for example, mine's on a table 476873;1391477429;decimation;yeah here's your post on the topic, if you forgive me http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132 476874;1391477436;nubbins`;if you're going by what lazy slobs do, you could call all kinds of things laptops 476875;1391477443;nubbins`;large bag of chips? laptop 476876;1391477449;nubbins`;nintendo controller? laptop 476877;1391477450;Vexual;hooker? laptop 476878;1391477453;nubbins`;^ 476879;1391477454;nubbins`;etc, etc 476880;1391477471;Vexual;you can put it on a desk but you dont have to 476881;1391477475;nubbins`;cat? laptop 476882;1391477501;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00092744 = 47.4849 BTC [-] {4} 476883;1391477502;mircea_popescu;nubbins` suppose tomorrow I decide i want a diff video card. 476884;1391477505;mircea_popescu;da fuck do you do with the laptop ? 476885;1391477528;Vexual;tol up your chinese factoryies to make mini pcie stuff 476886;1391477529;nubbins`;suppose tomorrow you want rack and pinion steering on your motorcycle. 476887;1391477576;decimation;I guess that the serious lack of non-Apple competition for well-designed hardware (ie, not just Apple clones) is proof that no major electronics manufacturer is well managed 476888;1391477590;nubbins`;decimation, it's more that there isn't a market for well-designed hardware. 476889;1391477609;decimation;bah. jobs created a market 476890;1391477632;nubbins`;sure he did 476891;1391477651;nubbins`;is there room for two homemade fudge stands at the farmer's market? 476892;1391477653;mircea_popescu;decimation perhaps it's proof that apple hardware is not well designed. 476893;1391477663;nubbins`;heh 476894;1391477664;decimation;heh that's also possible 476895;1391477666;nubbins`;there's that, too 476896;1391477674;nubbins`;for example, look at those time capsule things 476897;1391477680;mircea_popescu;would you say the lack of coca-cola competition for healthy fizz drinks proves no major pharma company is well managed ? 476898;1391477684;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.131 BTC [-] 476899;1391477720;decimation;either they are not well managed or the zombie hordes in the US would prefer not to think 476900;1391477731;nubbins`;anyway, apple hardware is well-designed visually, sure 476901;1391477751;mircea_popescu;decimation apple has unmatched strengths in marketing and advertising 476902;1391477760;nubbins`;i was about to say "but it's not like they're fabbing custom chips" 476903;1391477772;decimation;they used to be a joke back in the clone days 476904;1391477772;mircea_popescu;this is strictly because apple had at the helm for a decade+ a person who actually understood how worthless advertising is, and just told the horde to get fucked 476905;1391477778;Vexual;they worked out to patent connectors 476906;1391477789;mircea_popescu;if you only buy +ev packages for 10 years and have the bankroll to buy anything, eventually you end up king of the hill 476907;1391477791;mircea_popescu;which indeed they are 476908;1391477807;mircea_popescu;think about this : all OTHER mass market folks need to PAY celebs and producers to get product placement 476909;1391477823;mircea_popescu;apple gets this the other way around : the SHOW itself wants to gain value from the association. 476910;1391477825;mircea_popescu;that's all it is. 476911;1391477827;mircea_popescu;no design involved. 476912;1391477865;decimation;but how do you create stuff people want? I submit (like ascii) that it can only the product of one mind who has the power to dictate the result 476913;1391477885;Vexual;:usb 476914;1391477885;nubbins`;decimation: you convince people that they want it. 476915;1391477889;nubbins`;aren't you listening? D: 476916;1391477893;mircea_popescu;to create product you can sell in the 1990s us, you create something that people CAN IDENTIFY and push their want buttons. is all. 476917;1391477898;mircea_popescu;they don't have to want anything. 476918;1391477918;mircea_popescu;what you take for "good engineering" is really just what nintendo was trying to do with the "game cube". 476919;1391477934;mircea_popescu;ie, it's a cube. basic geometric shape. "herp derp i can recognise this in my surroundings" 476920;1391477978;Vexual;works in micro tatami 476921;1391477993;mircea_popescu;it's more important that they were all black 476922;1391478006;decimation;So your goal, as a businessman, is to get the big dumb blob of the population to be able to recognize your widget 476923;1391478007;mircea_popescu;than absolutely any actual design decision involved. 476924;1391478011;decimation;everything else will follow? 476925;1391478017;mircea_popescu;decimation well, don' go fighting the war of the past. 476926;1391478031;mircea_popescu;the 1990 us (lots of people with lots of welfare money to throw around) is not coming back. ever. 476927;1391478043;decimation;that's true. it was a unique time 476928;1391478050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00092408 = 11.4586 BTC [-] {2} 476929;1391478073;mircea_popescu;you can feel it, in retrospect. all this govt money everyone had... greatest party of all time. 476930;1391478096;mircea_popescu;party's over, but yeah, that one chick with nice tits that took her top off... what a hoot. 476931;1391478106;Namworld;Time to clean up now 476932;1391478110;mircea_popescu;what was her name, peaches, rosy, eve ? something with apple in it maybe. 476933;1391478119;decimation;Perhaps the 1960's-90's will be regarded as the peak of "us civilization" 476934;1391478136;mircea_popescu;the peak of us civilisation was the golden generation 476935;1391478142;mircea_popescu;not yet matched, and no more time. 476936;1391478233;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19911 @ 0.00092175 = 18.353 BTC [-] {2} 476937;1391478235;mircea_popescu;s/gilded/golden 476938;1391478244;mircea_popescu;i guess i went a little circular there lol 476939;1391478272;nubbins`;life's like that 476940;1391478305;decimation;I was a little confused. In the us, this is a forgotten part of our history in the popular mind 476941;1391478322;mircea_popescu;yeah, well. the people whose retarded children followed lincoln in his nazi adventure. 476942;1391478375;asciilifeform;re: 'what market wants': 476943;1391478376;asciilifeform;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3071492123502329@naggum.no.html 476944;1391478389;mircea_popescu;it'd have blossomed again, im sure, but europe bleed it twice in 50 years 476945;1391478392;mircea_popescu;and then... here we are. 476946;1391478397;asciilifeform;'do Americans want three-ring binders, 476947;1391478397;asciilifeform;and Europeans four-ring binders? or do they want binders and take whatever 476948;1391478397;asciilifeform;number of holes they come with? or do they want something that can help 476949;1391478397;asciilifeform;them organize their papers and take whatever is available? or do they 476950;1391478397;asciilifeform;really want a less cluttered office and ease of storage and retrieval of 476951;1391478398;asciilifeform;the information they receive?' 476952;1391478405;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform indeed. 476953;1391478469;decimation;Indeed, what is interesting is that how little of the communism that had taken over Europe in the late 1800's had actually affected America 476954;1391478495;mircea_popescu;the us was quite healthy yet, even in 1880. 476955;1391478522;mircea_popescu;course... you're quite healthy "yet" the day after you've fucked all the girls at the pit stop too. 476956;1391478532;decimation;I mean, the election of 1886 was about whether there should be a silver or gold standard - and the gold won! 476957;1391478535;Vexual;maybemoreso than 110 y later 476958;1391478558;Mats_cd03;is there more silver or gold in existence 476959;1391478565;Vexual;silver 476960;1391478566;decimation;silver (on planet earth) 476961;1391478568;Vexual;tin 476962;1391478604;decimation;that's why the democrats wanted to adopt the silver standard - it would be extremely beneficial to the "little people" - debtors all over the midwest 476963;1391478626;asciilifeform;sad fact is, if you want, for one reason or another, a portable unix box with a metal chassis and working suspend mode & peripherals, you're stuck with apple. 476964;1391478630;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 about 100x more silver. 476965;1391478643;mircea_popescu;decimation planet earth is not really far off the universal average is it ? 476966;1391478653;decimation;I donno, i'm just being pedantic 476967;1391478680;mircea_popescu;i vaguely remember that earth is actually "reasonably" representative of the actual unviersal distribution of elements. 476968;1391478687;decimation;ascii I want something that has a reasonable off-line backup system that will restore from an external drive, like time machine 476969;1391478718;asciilifeform;decimation: what's wrong with dd=/dev/yerdisk of=/mnt/somewhere 476970;1391478721;mircea_popescu;Vexual actually, on earth iron and nickel are, not tin. 476971;1391478731;Vexual;reasonable meaning that we are here and can see about 100 meteres across the shere of earth if it were the universe 476972;1391478738;mircea_popescu;they're nuclear ends. 476973;1391478740;decimation;well, that's fine if you want to ensure your system isn't modifying files while you write the clone? 476974;1391478758;Vexual;exactly not elemantal 476975;1391478801;mircea_popescu;i suppose you acquire all kernel locks 476976;1391478804;mircea_popescu;OVER 9000 476977;1391478815;asciilifeform;if you don't feel like taking the box down, there are clever ways 476978;1391478817;KRS-;Anyone going to the Berlin Bitcoin conference, PM me for 20% discount code. 476979;1391478833;Vexual;how much is a ticket? 476980;1391478840;KRS-;idk 476981;1391478842;nubbins`;did i tell you guys about the coworker i had who used time machine for version control? 476982;1391478844;decimation;Perhaps it would be integrated into your suspend feature :) 476983;1391478853;nubbins`;"i don't like svn", he said 476984;1391478868;decimation;seems reasonable 476985;1391478877;nubbins`;he never fucked anything up 476986;1391478878;KRS-;If anyone is lending on BFX I could use some swap for almost 600 LTC. 476987;1391478892;KRS-;;;seen sturles 476988;1391478893;gribble;sturles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 weeks, 4 days, 18 hours, 38 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: I've upgraded my clients to latest git. Not forwarding or mining silly dust spam any more. 476989;1391478896;KRS-;fawk 476990;1391478949;decimation;well ascii, part of the problem with your lack of unix laptop is that there aren't any unix hardware manufacturers anymore 476991;1391478959;decimation;does oracle still make servers? 476992;1391478987;asciilifeform;this isn't really an issue with full-scale machines, where you can mix&match hw 476993;1391478991;nubbins`;does oracle still anymore? 476994;1391479033;decimation;yeah, laptops are going to require some level of hardware/firmware/driver integration 476995;1391479042;benkay;;;calc 0.8*24*365 476996;1391479043;gribble;7008 476997;1391479050;nubbins`;decimation: how about HP :) 476998;1391479060;decimation;it seems there would be a market for a "rhel laptop" like the tadpole was for sun though 476999;1391479072;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> this isn't really an issue with full-scale machines, where you can mix&match hw <<< shit, laptops just got killed. 477000;1391479087;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58996875 BTC [+] 477001;1391479147;asciilifeform;to say that laptop is unnecessary is like supposing that nothing smaller than a squad machine gun is of any use in war 477002;1391479149;decimation;HP was killed by idiots who were drunk at the party in the 90's MP mentions 477003;1391479159;nubbins`;well y'know. 477004;1391479165;asciilifeform;(even if this is approximately true, the devil lies in the remaining cases) 477005;1391479169;nubbins`;did they EVER have a "unix laptop"? 477006;1391479193;decimation;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadpole_Computer 477007;1391479204;nubbins`;did ibm have AIX laptops, did sgi have IRIX laptops, etc 477008;1391479208;Mats_cd03;chromebooks are about as good as its going to get imo 477009;1391479210;asciilifeform;if i recall, there was even an Alpha laptop once. 477010;1391479220;nubbins`;i'm not so sure this "unix laptop" thing ever existed, aside from a few isolated instances 477011;1391479235;nubbins`;Mats_cd03, chromebooks are essentially dumb terminals 477012;1391479251;Mats_cd03;ya i know 477013;1391479263;asciilifeform;nubbins`: chromebook can be diddled into some semblance of general-purpose usefulness, with some sweat 477014;1391479264;Vexual;whats wrong with a raspi in a lunchbox? 477015;1391479265;Mats_cd03;fuck me but i actually like that 477016;1391479269;asciilifeform;(zap the google crap) 477017;1391479271;benkay;;;calc 0.8*24*30 477018;1391479271;gribble;576 477019;1391479287;asciilifeform;Vexual: keyboard, battery, display 477020;1391479287;nubbins`;asciilifeform: so can an OLPC ;p 477021;1391479292;Mats_cd03;im at the stage where i know a lot about netsec but very little about practical mitigation of threats 477022;1391479299;Vexual;i thought thats what all the kids had now 477023;1391479305;Mats_cd03;so having a chromebook to do things that might be sensitive is great 477024;1391479311;Vexual;build the rest with arundio 477025;1391479348;decimation;well, if you want to DIY laptop you might as well join up with bunnie, at least he is going with open/auditable firmware 477026;1391479356;Mats_cd03;if i'm really, really worried about getting pwned i guess i could use a raspi with a usb drive to bridge the air gap 477027;1391479357;asciilifeform;Vexual: if your idea of a portable computer is a briefcase with a tv and raspi, more power to you 477028;1391479358;decimation;although that doesn't detect chip fiddling 477029;1391479385;Vexual;im happy with my 701 477030;1391479392;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.0059432 = 0.1367 BTC [-] 477031;1391479400;asciilifeform;ibm 701C? the one with the folding kbd? 477032;1391479402;asciilifeform;486? 477033;1391479417;Mats_cd03;im sure it exists but i havent seen malware that targets both armv6 477034;1391479423;decimation;except your "raspi" is closed hardware with binary blob fimrware 477035;1391479426;Mats_cd03;and x86-64 477036;1391479428;asciilifeform;gets better 477037;1391479435;asciilifeform;raspi cpu has a whole separate core 477038;1391479441;nubbins`;wait, so now we're looking for a laptop with all open hardware? 477039;1391479444;nubbins`;jeez 477040;1391479445;asciilifeform;running a weird undocumented instr set (!) blob at all times 477041;1391479469;decimation;well it was probably meant for phones/tablets to run the RF stuff 477042;1391479477;nubbins`;just call up that company whose laptops RMS uses 477043;1391479480;asciilifeform;it's like someone held a contest, 'make something even more dubious than an intel box' 477044;1391479485;nubbins`;and ask them to do a bespoke one for ya 477045;1391479488;Vexual;asccilifeform: eeepc 477046;1391479502;mircea_popescu; to say that laptop is unnecessary is like supposing that nothing smaller than a squad machine gun is of any use in war << this is facually true 477047;1391479504;decimation;I donno, qualcomm is probably more scummy than intel 477048;1391479508;asciilifeform;bought an 'eeepc' once, threw it out in disgust 477049;1391479509;mircea_popescu;you ever seen anyone with a .38 ? 477050;1391479510;nubbins`;hm, this tadpole used openvms? 477051;1391479511;nubbins`;:( 477052;1391479558;Mats_cd03;i used to own a S&W revolver what about it 477053;1391479573;decimation;here you go, a history of sparc portables http://www.sparcproductdirectory.com/portable10.html 477054;1391479574;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for some reason no one is in a hurry to dispense with man-portable arms 477055;1391479579;mircea_popescu;did you win any wars with it Mats_cd03 ? 477056;1391479590;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform man portable != woman portable. 477057;1391479596;mircea_popescu;i can carry my mothrfucking crt. 477058;1391479602;nubbins`;afaik they give pistols to suspected heroes 477059;1391479606;asciilifeform;the 'two airplanes' theorem applies 477060;1391479612;nubbins`;so they can drunkenly stagger towards enemy snipers firing shots 477061;1391479613;Mats_cd03;mircea_popescu: nah i never fired it, it was an antique i saved for home defense 477062;1391479616;nubbins`;while they bleed out 477063;1391479622;asciilifeform;'what can two planes do, that no single plane, regardless of cost, can do? be in two places.' 477064;1391479647;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so you shooting a .38 in each hand > me with my .5 DE ? 477065;1391479669;mircea_popescu;there is an absolute limit to the smallest firearm usable on a battlefield. so in computing. the laptop is below that limit. 477066;1391479677;asciilifeform;but note that DE, rather than Maxim 477067;1391479679;Mats_cd03;only if you turn both pistols sideways 477068;1391479688;asciilifeform;because you'd still like to move around with it 477069;1391479690;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 and spin while screaming. 477070;1391479697;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.139 = 1.529 BTC [+] 477071;1391479704;Mats_cd03;you'd kill 6 whole gangsters, i seen it 477072;1391479712;mircea_popescu;i saw that movie too! 477073;1391479727;mircea_popescu;i think that's how they started calling them "molls" 477074;1391479734;Mats_cd03;now that we're talking about firearms 477075;1391479746;Mats_cd03;i want to tell all of you that live in murica to buy an antique handgun 477076;1391479765;Mats_cd03;no need to register it if you leave it at home 477077;1391479772;nubbins`;i'm not so sure that "computing" is a battlefield 477078;1391479784;nubbins`;handguns work fine for domestic disputes 477079;1391479786;nubbins`;bar fights, even 477080;1391479787;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you do have a good point there in principle, but im not so sure the laptop resolves the movement problem. 477081;1391479789;Mats_cd03;9/10 on scale of intimidating crackheads and drunks off your property 477082;1391479808;asciilifeform;Mats_cd03: afaik, in most u.s. states nobody has to register anything short of machine gun 477083;1391479811;Vexual;flingin crts with one hand workls too 477084;1391479819;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC [+] 477085;1391479820;nubbins`;haha ^ 477086;1391479846;Mats_cd03;i live in the union so theres lots of regs everywhere 477087;1391479868;Mats_cd03;i rented an AR-15 once in san diego 477088;1391479880;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.143572 BTC [+] 477089;1391479881;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P140T] 2 @ 0.14544065 = 0.2909 BTC [+] 477090;1391479881;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P140N] 2 @ 0.17359397 = 0.3472 BTC 477091;1391479884;Mats_cd03;theres this regulation that assault weapons have to be sold with this special magazine release 477092;1391479900;Mats_cd03;so you end up using a fucking pen to pop your 10 round mag out 477093;1391479914;Mats_cd03;mindfuckery 477094;1391479935;asciilifeform;Mats_cd03: used to be that you could pop those open with an unspent round, but the regulations were changed, if i recall 477095;1391479970;Mats_cd03;its like this 477096;1391479987;decimation;I think the new thing is that the next magazine has a key to pop off the last one 477097;1391480023;Mats_cd03;if i'm going to shoot up a mall i'm going to find the biggest magazine i can find, prob 40 rounds, and then i'm going to get a weapon that takes less than 5 seconds to reload 477098;1391480047;Mats_cd03;some regulations about a 10 round magazine and mag release fuckery ain't gonna stop that 477099;1391480060;Vexual;regulations changed in australia, now we have more unlicensed guns than the bad parts of la 477100;1391480079;asciilifeform;i still don't get the preoccupation with 'postals.' biggest postal body count to date still belongs to the fellow with the jerry can 477101;1391480093;asciilifeform;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire 477102;1391480094;ozbot;Happy Land fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 477103;1391480130;Vexual;everyone handed in their crts tho 477104;1391480147;asciilifeform;CRT banned in australia?! 477105;1391480159;decimation;http://reason.com/blog/2013/06/12/san-francisco-targets-repair-kits-that-s 477106;1391480161;ozbot;San Francisco Targets 'Repair Kits' That Skirt California's Gun Magazine Limit - Hit & Run : Reason. 477107;1391480167;decimation;PLEASE NOTE: CA-Legal Magazine Repair / Rebuild Kits are to be used to 1) repair or rebuild your existing legally owned high capacity magazines or 2) permanently block to 10 rounds or 3) store in a disassembled condition for use outside of California. They are not intended for reassembly into new high capacity magazines, which would be a felony under California law. 477108;1391480169;decimation;LOL 477109;1391480221;Vexual;asciilifeform: supercession seems to work better 477110;1391480232;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-january-2014-statement/ 477111;1391480233;ozbot;BitBet, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 477112;1391480233;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla ^ 477113;1391480246;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 147 @ 0.002984 = 0.4386 BTC [+] 477114;1391480261;benkay;wow a significant month for bitbet without significant donations 477115;1391480265;benkay;bitbet not scam? 477116;1391480308;asciilifeform;decimation: these folks will probably end in the gasenwagen. see the infamous 'shoelace machine gun' precedent. 477117;1391480324;mircea_popescu;benkay it's still a scam, but this month more quoting wikipedia less quoting trilema 477118;1391480365;decimation;the list of unapproved submissions is likely hilarious 477119;1391480388;asciilifeform;during 'prohibition', there were folks who sold stills in parts, with detailed instructions for 'what not do to' with them 477120;1391480394;nubbins`;"Upon further review, we have determined that the string by itself is not a machinegun" 477121;1391480395;nubbins`;lelel 477122;1391480398;asciilifeform;this doesn't fly today 477123;1391480400;decimation;lol the shoestring 477124;1391480418;mircea_popescu;Gonzlez was charged with 174 counts of murder- two for each victim- and was found guilty on 87 counts of arson and 87 counts of murder on August 19, 1991. For each count he received the sentence maximum of 25 years to life (a total of 4,350 years). It was the most substantial prison term ever imposed in the state of New York 477125;1391480418;decimation;how can the guy who signed that letter face himself in the mirror 477126;1391480424;mircea_popescu;this "counts" bs the us does still boggles. 477127;1391480427;mircea_popescu;he did ONE thing. 477128;1391480429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14963 @ 0.00092083 = 13.7784 BTC [-] {2} 477129;1391480432;asciilifeform;the string was acquitted, but woe be unto anyone caught with an original 'ak' sear 477130;1391480434;mircea_popescu;there can't be "counts" 477131;1391480503;Mats_cd03;is there context for the photo on trilema 477132;1391480518;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: unfortunately there's no separate crime for "killing 87 people" 477133;1391480539;nubbins`;and what sort of justice equates the killing of one with the killing of dozens?! 477134;1391480542;Mats_cd03;ive spent five minutes now just examining the man's beard and the other guy's arm hair 477135;1391480552;mircea_popescu;nubbins` it's killing. 477136;1391480558;decimation;why not just convict on one "count" then, and if you want him to suffer more, convict him of the next? 477137;1391480559;Mats_cd03;nubbins`: judaism? 477138;1391480559;mircea_popescu;there is a crime of "murder" 477139;1391480561;nubbins`;sure, yes. 477140;1391480565;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 which one ? 477141;1391480571;nubbins`;and he committed the crime 87 times, they say 477142;1391480572;Mats_cd03;at the top 477143;1391480577;mircea_popescu;o, the header ? me with some local kids in a bar 477144;1391480584;Vexual;did you win? 477145;1391480593;asciilifeform;they're stuck with the monotony of allowed punishments 477146;1391480594;mircea_popescu;counting fiat. 477147;1391480610;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you can't commit the crime x times, unless you do x things. 477148;1391480613;asciilifeform;in the old days, you could have your breaking on the wheel 'commuted' to mere beheading, if there were 'extenuating circumstances' 477149;1391480616;mircea_popescu;he did one thing. it's one crime. 477150;1391480639;nubbins`;sure, but if i go to a pizza place and eat a full pizza, do i get charged for one slice? 477151;1391480640;mircea_popescu;Vexual yeah. 477152;1391480641;nubbins`;i only ate one meal 477153;1391480642;Mats_cd03;i propose a new system of justice 477154;1391480645;decimation;public hangings ought to be mandatory viewing for the entire population 477155;1391480651;mircea_popescu;nubbins` what is this, the market ? 477156;1391480664;nubbins`;for our purposes, sure 477157;1391480674;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.000824 = 0.1648 BTC [+] 477158;1391480675;mircea_popescu;nope. if eating is punished, you ate, you get punished. 477159;1391480681;mircea_popescu;if you eat twice, maybe you're punished twice. 477160;1391480689;asciilifeform;decimation: public hangings were, afaik, always and unambiguously 'cash-positive' and in-demand 477161;1391480690;nubbins`;okay, so i left my wallet at home 477162;1391480696;Mats_cd03;convicted felons will now scrape gum off sidewalks 477163;1391480698;mircea_popescu;but if you ate once you don't get "one count of eating an olive, another count of eating another olive" bs. 477164;1391480705;mircea_popescu;and besides, they run concurrently anyway. 477165;1391480707;nubbins`;do i have to wash the same number of dishes as the guy who only ate half a pizza? 477166;1391480710;Mats_cd03;that might keep lifers busy 477167;1391480715;mircea_popescu;43985734987984357 counts of 5 minutes = 5 minutes in jail. 477168;1391480748;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: u.s. judges can select concurrent vs. consecutive 477169;1391480759;mircea_popescu;only cause teh us is completely in wtf mode. 477170;1391480767;Vexual;no 477171;1391480774;mircea_popescu;i'm in jail, i'm in jail. it applies to all possible reasons i might be in jail. 477172;1391480788;mircea_popescu;there's not a "now for x, tomorrow for y" bs. 477173;1391480789;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: same punishment for striking one person with your car vs driving through a crowd, mowing down dozens? 477174;1391480794;mircea_popescu;nubbins` yup. 477175;1391480807;mircea_popescu;unless there's a special law for 3 people, murder is murder. 477176;1391480816;nubbins`;don't you suppose that would encourage people to just keep on driving after they've struck someone? 477177;1391480823;nubbins`;"fuck it, i never liked bill" 477178;1391480823;mircea_popescu;it can be manslaughter or aggravated murder, but it is an offence. 477179;1391480839;asciilifeform;'might as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb' 477180;1391480839;mircea_popescu;nubbins` do you suppose the 4955th year discourages anyone ? 477181;1391480841;nubbins`;"actually this whole town is full of nerds" 477182;1391480854;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: i don't suppose the punishment discourages anyone who commits an offence 477183;1391480860;nubbins`;by definition, it hasn't 477184;1391480864;mircea_popescu;"dude, 2500s i don't care about so much but i gotta see superbowl #1955" 477185;1391480870;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'geological time' sentences, if i recall, serve a mundane bureaucratic purpose 477186;1391480884;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kinda what i'm pointing out here. it makes a laughingstock of the process. 477187;1391480888;asciilifeform;they eliminate parole in jurisdictions where the judge cannot (or for political/historical reasons) won't do so. 477188;1391480890;nubbins`;asciilifeform: prisons get paid in advance? ;p 477189;1391480907;asciilifeform;'yer paroled but got 3000 yrs to go' 477190;1391480915;mircea_popescu;i don't dispute the system works. 477191;1391480917;asciilifeform;'1000 off for good behaviour' 477192;1391480922;mircea_popescu;i affirm the system is fucking microsoft windows. 477193;1391480930;asciilifeform;that, it is. 477194;1391480932;Mats_cd03;the process has always been a laughing stock, we just invented the internet recently and tell each other about it 477195;1391480935;mircea_popescu;all i'm sayin'. 477196;1391480946;asciilifeform;for that matter,winblows itself is a good cultural portrait of the civilization that shat it forth 477197;1391480949;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 the civil law is actually a lot saner 477198;1391480954;nubbins`;so i come home to find my wife in bed with another man 477199;1391480956;mircea_popescu;until you get to business and commercial matters. 477200;1391480959;nubbins`;shoot one of them 477201;1391480959;mircea_popescu;then... forget it. 477202;1391480968;nubbins`;i might as well just shoot the other one, and my daughter too? 477203;1391480970;Mats_cd03;it has been an adversarial judicial system its entire existence...scalia agrees on this account 477204;1391480973;nubbins`;MAKES SENSE 477205;1391480974;mircea_popescu;nubbins` fun fact : guy did this in timisoara ~5 years ago. he was acquited. 477206;1391480978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13945 @ 0.0009292 = 12.9577 BTC [+] 477207;1391480992;Vexual;get a new woman and stay free 477208;1391481002;Mats_cd03;i mean fuck they're pitting lawyers against each other, someone is going to get fucked and its not the prosecution 477209;1391481050;nubbins`;Mats_cd03: sometimes the prosecution gets fucked, but they don't really have to pay the bill when it comes 477210;1391481068;decimation;why is it considered horrific to broadcast hangings in the US, but not horrific to broadcast "fiction" featuring people murdering regularly? 477211;1391481086;mircea_popescu;decimation why is it considered horrific to show kids nipples 477212;1391481087;Mats_cd03;cause its not, like, real, dude 477213;1391481091;mircea_popescu;is what i want to know. 477214;1391481092;asciilifeform;decimation: it's worth your time to read about how and why public hangings went away 477215;1391481101;asciilifeform;it was 'moralists.' too much fun 477216;1391481102;decimation;yeah do you have sources 477217;1391481145;decimation;We can build a kingdom of God on earth, if we just pile up enough chairs... 477218;1391481148;asciilifeform;'Edison and the Electric Chair', Mark Essig 477219;1391481151;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform was it because hangings got too close to masturbation for the victim ? 477220;1391481193;mircea_popescu;U.S. intelligence agencies last week urged the Obama administration to check its new healthcare network for malicious software after learning that developers linked to the Belarus government helped produce the website, raising fresh concerns that private data posted by millions of Americans will be compromised. 477221;1391481198;mircea_popescu;http://freebeacon.com/the-belarusian-connection/ 477222;1391481200;ozbot;The Belarusian Connection | Washington Free Beacon 477223;1391481201;asciilifeform;hangings in the 19th c. were apparently quite stimulating to the audience. 477224;1391481228;nubbins`;asciilifeform, gore is essentially porno 477225;1391481239;nubbins`;belarus, they make nice coins 477226;1391481241;decimation;Belarussian hackers probably have unique insight in how to create proper communism 477227;1391481273;asciilifeform;no gore as such, even. never having attended a hanging, i've no idea why the audience creams its pants along with the fellow dancing the hempen jig 477228;1391481274;mircea_popescu;belarus is like.... putin's canada. 477229;1391481275;asciilifeform;but there it was. 477230;1391481322;nubbins`;well sure, but a technicality 477231;1391481332;nubbins`;humans get off on vulnerability 477232;1391481345;nubbins`;this is why they enjoy humiliation, torture, gore, etc as well as sex 477233;1391481393;nubbins`;and why all those things have a habit of getting tangled up with each other occasionally 477234;1391481405;asciilifeform;nubbins`: this would explain the fact that everybody loved a good impalement, etc. in times gone by. but hanging? seems boring. 477235;1391481413;nubbins`;nod 477236;1391481418;mircea_popescu;http://hosted.ap.org/photos/D/d728d07d-87f7-4b85-baf6-7540d3a22af6-big.jpg < exactly what it says on the tin 477237;1391481419;nubbins`;it's a power thing 477238;1391481467;nubbins`;consider the age of 1-900 sex chat 477239;1391481476;nubbins`;nothing to even look at 477240;1391481492;nubbins`;countless buckets of cum 477241;1391481527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34300 @ 0.00092959 = 31.8849 BTC [+] {2} 477242;1391481568;nubbins`;or a room full of dudebros swapping stories of tricking women into having sex or beating up nerds 477243;1391481582;mircea_popescu;wait what ? 477244;1391481598;nubbins`;vulnerability 477245;1391481606;nubbins`;even thinking about it gets people riled up 477246;1391481612;nubbins`;doesn't even need to be witnessed 477247;1391481652;nubbins`;the wetness of an impaling is just icing on the cake 477248;1391481658;nubbins`;a hanging will do just fine 477249;1391481666;nubbins`;and in a pinch, a recollection of the hanging 477250;1391481679;mircea_popescu;so why'd spanking go out of fashion ? 477251;1391481688;nubbins`;it didn't 477252;1391481699;nubbins`;do you even pornography? 477253;1391481773;mircea_popescu;so when's the last time you gave the missus a good spanking ? 477254;1391481784;mircea_popescu;plan on doing her children weekly or anything ? 477255;1391481825;nubbins`;i'm not saying everyone in the town was jacking off at the gallows 477256;1391481879;nubbins`;nor is every man a steroid-riddled ape shouting "HURRR" and slapping a woman's ass purple 477257;1391481902;nubbins`;just that these are common enough things that share a common characteristic 477258;1391481905;mircea_popescu;so the proposition here is that the same process took out hangings and spankings ? 477259;1391481921;nubbins`;no, that the same process made them popular in the first place. 477260;1391481935;nubbins`;propriety brought both out of the public eye 477261;1391481954;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0059432 = 0.1486 BTC [-] 477262;1391481955;mircea_popescu;as a non-steroid riddled non-ape that has slapped bucnhes of butts purple i tell you i see no appeal in hangings at all. 477263;1391481969;nubbins`;sure, and some who eat beef don't eat pork 477264;1391481976;nubbins`;some men prefer blondes 477265;1391481977;nubbins`;etc 477266;1391481984;mircea_popescu;but... pork and beef are still eaten 477267;1391482004;nubbins`;and people are still executed 477268;1391482011;mircea_popescu;some who care for antique vases don't care for antique knives ? 477269;1391482019;Vexual;and the whisky is arely in another castle 477270;1391482060;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: sure, and the same attraction to items from a time past is what brings people to collect both 477271;1391482121;mircea_popescu;maybe there's something here but perhaps too complicated to easily detach 477272;1391482139;nubbins`;this all stems from a quip, really 477273;1391482163;nubbins`;consider another angle: humans are driven to have sex because of sexual urges. doesn't mean all humans want to have sex with both genders 477274;1391482179;nubbins`;some prefer one, some the other, some both. but the motivation stems from the same source 477275;1391482183;mircea_popescu;which quip, the vulnerability ? 477276;1391482191;mircea_popescu;afaik women kinda throw up at it. 477277;1391482194;nubbins`;"gore is basically porno" 477278;1391482217;mircea_popescu;a, a. they're both taboo transgressive, but i doubt they're the same thing really. 477279;1391482229;nubbins`;sure, a stretch 477280;1391482241;mircea_popescu;the hunter enjoys seeing gazelles gutted and females fucked. 477281;1391482249;nubbins`;but the common taboo is vulnerability 477282;1391482255;mircea_popescu;doesn't actually mean either women are goats or fucking is gutting, i dun think 477283;1391482281;nubbins`;point i was making, i guess, is of course people jacked off at hangings 477284;1391482296;Vexual;it might mean you can't shoot a dove if it's nesting 477285;1391482300;mircea_popescu;how is vulnerability a taboo ? 477286;1391482308;nubbins`;i'm sure there were people jacking off in the theatre when you saw "consent" or w/e it's called 477287;1391482316;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you should hire Vexual to do atc shilling i tell you. 477288;1391482355;Vexual;incase some brave housecat is deprived of duck milk? 477289;1391482356;nubbins`;the vulnerability itself isn't a taboo 477290;1391482359;nubbins`;the arousal from it is 477291;1391482372;nubbins`;guilty pleasure 477292;1391482385;nubbins`;"i'd sure hate for that to happen to me" as one gleefully watches 477293;1391482397;nubbins`;not too gleefully, though 477294;1391482407;mircea_popescu;nubbins` http://trilema.com/2010/imaginarium/ that's how a theatre looks when i go. 477295;1391482429;nubbins`;looks like a lecture hall 477296;1391482462;nubbins`;^ disregard, that was a useless statement 477297;1391482465;mircea_popescu;it's actually an old style cinema. built in the 70s, like 1100 places 477298;1391482495;Vexual;they you have some balkan craftsmen alter the stage 477299;1391482513;nubbins`;you really did have a lot more comments when you posted in romanian, huh 477300;1391482553;mircea_popescu;nubbins` about 90k over ~3-4 years, 20 a day or something 477301;1391482571;mircea_popescu;romanians still comment and so on, the english speaker is pretty blaze. 477302;1391482587;mircea_popescu;i doubt people comment once per 100 articles they read. 477303;1391482627;nubbins`;in the english-speaking world, website comments are generally considered to be the lowest form of discourse 477304;1391482645;mircea_popescu;kinda silly, at least on trilema. but hey. 477305;1391482648;nubbins`;just below bathroom graffiti 477306;1391482655;Vexual;romania was catapaulted out of opression with the internet 477307;1391482661;mircea_popescu;i blame disqus and google for it tbh 477308;1391482676;nubbins`;someone showed me a picture of a bathroom with "dick surgery or die" written on the wall 477309;1391482684;nubbins`;recognized the bathroom, to this day have not found the writing 477310;1391482686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00093059 = 8.0961 BTC [+] {2} 477311;1391482686;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1839 @ 0.00010514 = 0.1934 BTC [-] {17} 477312;1391482692;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: i blame news websites 477313;1391482717;mircea_popescu;no, because those exist in romanian too and they're just as dumpster-y. 477314;1391482741;nubbins`;they're great if you want to know what idiots and bigots think on a given topic 477315;1391482745;Vexual;id be scared shitless if i read that in lumberjack country 477316;1391482805;Vexual;if i ever go to canadia im shitting in the snow 477317;1391482818;nubbins`;you know we have toilets here 477318;1391482824;nubbins`;real ones 477319;1391482850;Vexual;as in not truck stops? 477320;1391482869;ThickAsThieves;i always thought maybe people like horror and spanking and sci fi and apocalypse because of depravation from survivalistic lifestyle or something 477321;1391482879;nubbins`;truck stops, we have 477322;1391482881;ThickAsThieves;hunter with no need to hunt 477323;1391482883;nubbins`;no squatter toilets tho 477324;1391482897;mircea_popescu;you mean deprivation or depravity ? 477325;1391482909;ThickAsThieves;deprivation, sry 477326;1391482928;ThickAsThieves;hunter with no need to hunt, caregiver with nothing to care about 477327;1391482943;nubbins`;popularity of disaster/apocalypse stuff is more a product of the times 477328;1391482946;ThickAsThieves;smack, horror, boom 477329;1391482973;Vexual;gonna happen more when a human can't find a square mile to themselves 477330;1391482984;nubbins`;but sure, thrills are thrilling for those who don't get thrilled much 477331;1391482991;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04775001 = 0.2388 BTC [-] 477332;1391483052;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0473 = 0.2365 BTC [-] {2} 477333;1391483053;Vexual;waking up is a trhill for me 477334;1391483063;nubbins`;not me 477335;1391483093;Vexual;fuck mano -10 would take my breath away 477336;1391483108;nubbins`;it's fine if you're dressed for it! 477337;1391483128;nubbins`;Canada Goose parkas are really popular here the past few years 477338;1391483132;Vexual;breathing it in would be like a menthos marbolro 477339;1391483145;Vexual;except herero 477340;1391483151;nubbins`;not because they're necessary (srsly, an expedition parka at this latitude?) 477341;1391483159;mod6;dealt with -20 (or worse) all January. 477342;1391483160;nubbins`;but because famous people wear them when visiting canada 477343;1391483207;Mats_cd03;why the fuck does FX show archer at 3AM EST 477344;1391483218;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg4913471#msg4913471 477345;1391483220;ozbot;[Mpex.co] The Scientology of Bitcoin Finance? 477346;1391483222;mircea_popescu;check this shit out. 477347;1391483233;Mats_cd03;praise to ozbot 477348;1391483235;mircea_popescu;mpex will cease to exist because some pick up artist said things at some conference. 477349;1391483246;nubbins`;heh 477350;1391483252;ThickAsThieves;okay i watched the video 477351;1391483252;mircea_popescu;he doesn't know about how mpex ceased to exist in 2012 because nefario said things at another conference. 477352;1391483253;nubbins`;well it totally happ... wait 477353;1391483254;Vexual;did he stutter? 477354;1391483256;ThickAsThieves;and it doesnt add up 477355;1391483264;mircea_popescu;and at least at THAT one even rms showed up 477356;1391483286;ThickAsThieves;Open Transactions is, from what i can tell, a server-distributed ledger, based on last signed & verified receipt 477357;1391483304;mircea_popescu;i look forward to anon forum derps explaining how mpex will sitll be ceasing to exist in 2025 477358;1391483315;mircea_popescu;because some yet another social media nobody is saying things. 477359;1391483329;mircea_popescu;saying dude. if only i knew saying is what makes this world run. 477360;1391483331;mircea_popescu;fml. 477361;1391483342;Mats_cd03;.bait 477362;1391483345;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/2767062f8f65aa6490cddb837f564c1b/tumblr_mxk6tlh7IF1qauqewo1_1280.jpg 477363;1391483367;Vexual;mp are you jimmothy? 477364;1391483374;Mats_cd03;.bait 477365;1391483376;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/7014f560e1462b9e1f20716f574d5b26/tumblr_mx74vfbwls1srp1r8o1_1280.jpg 477366;1391483386;Mats_cd03;mp is every poster in that thread 477367;1391483414;Vexual;i wonder if i could melt jimmothy 477368;1391483450;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 dude stop ruining my well laid out plans. 477369;1391483451;Vexual;six years of sloths suck oughtta do it 477370;1391483474;Mats_cd03;mircea_popescu: well... youre not OP right? that would be a master stroke 477371;1391483503;mircea_popescu;open penis ? 477372;1391483521;ThickAsThieves;closed heart 477373;1391483526;mircea_popescu;lol 477374;1391483544;Mats_cd03;google search for "years of sloths" yields 2 results 477375;1391483560;Mats_cd03;what the fuck does that mean 477376;1391483561;mircea_popescu;but it is kind-of funny that people with a clue suspect me of actually sockpuppeting as "mah enemies" on various sm sites. 477377;1391483579;nubbins`;op/ch 477378;1391483580;mircea_popescu;if those dorks knew that they're in fact working for me for free they'd prolly have a 2nd aneurism 477379;1391483580;nubbins`;i lel'd 477380;1391483606;Vexual;its kinda funny that people with a clue think i have a clue 477381;1391483613;ThickAsThieves;seems they dont know even when you tell them, so youre okay 477382;1391483645;Mats_cd03;the trick is to fake it until your fist is in their colon 477383;1391483661;mircea_popescu;recall that guy snackman ? "o, bitbet is screwed, i will spend a month saying bad things EVERYWHERE, like on places that matter such as reddit" 477384;1391483666;Vexual;that never works mat 477385;1391483672;Mats_cd03;then they're your sockpuppet... colon puppet... sort of 477386;1391483680;mircea_popescu;suckpuppet ? 477387;1391483695;mircea_popescu;there's like... sock puppets, when you make the account and use it to further your interests 477388;1391483705;mircea_popescu;then there's suckpuppets, when random derps make the account to spite you 477389;1391483712;Mats_cd03;suckpuppet might work, although that just made me recall the auditory sound of a fist leaving an asshole 477390;1391483714;mircea_popescu;and end up helping involuntarily. 477391;1391483722;nubbins`;ah, i just got reminded of eskimobob 477392;1391483726;mircea_popescu;well that'd be an adequate fx. 477393;1391483738;Vexual;by jimmothy nubs? 477394;1391483740;Mats_cd03;slurrrrrp 477395;1391483748;Mats_cd03;is the sound that would make 477396;1391483749;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 no it's more like a slpop 477397;1391483765;Mats_cd03;i havent seen enough fisting videos to refute your claim 477398;1391483769;Mats_cd03;you win 477399;1391483771;nubbins`;Vexual, his name was brought up in the mpex scientology thread 477400;1391483776;mircea_popescu;i don't think i've ever seen a video 477401;1391483788;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you're too young to recall ciuciu huh 477402;1391483789;nubbins`;i have 477403;1391483790;Mats_cd03;so fisting is a regular event in your life then 477404;1391483795;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, before my time 477405;1391483801;mircea_popescu;well not so regular, but you gotta try things once in a while. 477406;1391483804;nubbins`;~nov 2012 i started dabbling 477407;1391483811;Vexual;http://vimeo.com/67227980 477408;1391483811;mircea_popescu;lemme see if there's a pastable bit 477409;1391483812;ozbot;Donna Summer - I Feel Love (Long Remix) Music Video by Ganja Claus on Vimeo 477410;1391483825;nubbins`;didn't quit my job til feb 2013 477411;1391483844;Vexual;fired yet? 477412;1391483844;nubbins`;so there was a period of like 4 months there where i wasn't much in tune with everything 477413;1391483847;Mats_cd03;the human colon is a remarkable thing 477414;1391483854;nubbins`;Vexual, i've never been fired 477415;1391483859;nubbins`;never been broken up with 477416;1391483868;nubbins`;only good things happen to me 477417;1391483873;Mats_cd03;i wonder how many of my daily accessories i could fit in my ass if i tried 477418;1391483876;Vexual;yeah but you're were a boss at birth 477419;1391483884;nubbins`;after a fashion 477420;1391483896;Mats_cd03;lets see... gum, wallet, phone, hand sanitizer, moleskine, pen, 477421;1391483917;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2012 no dice ;/ 477422;1391483922;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 477423;1391483927;nubbins`;:( 477424;1391483967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13437 @ 0.0009283 = 12.4736 BTC [-] 477425;1391483971;nubbins`;hand sanitizer, seriously? 477426;1391483972;mircea_popescu;guy was on my ignore so i dun have local logs so... 477427;1391484006;nubbins`;i don't get this sanitizer thing 477428;1391484012;nubbins`;okay, anecdote 477429;1391484017;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 "He'd be damned if any slope's gonna put their greasy, yellow hands on his boy's birthright, so he hid it in one place he knew he could hide something - his ass. Five long years he wore this watch up his ass. Then, he died of dysentery. He give me the watch. I hid this uncomfortable hunk of metal up my ass two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. Now, little man, I give the watch to y 477430;1391484017;mircea_popescu;ou." 477431;1391484019;nubbins`;i was at the gym yesterday 477432;1391484035;nubbins`;there's a small metal box on the wall with a lock on top that hides the temperature controls for the room or w/e 477433;1391484043;nubbins`;some asshole walks up and sticks his hand underneath it 477434;1391484049;Mats_cd03;that seems familiar but i always thought the story was about a jew 477435;1391484054;nubbins`;looks mildly confused when hand sanitizer doesn't squirt out 477436;1391484059;nubbins`;and walks away 477437;1391484094;Mats_cd03;i use hand sanitizer to get the smell of smokes off my body 477438;1391484100;nubbins`;no you don't 477439;1391484104;Mats_cd03;and gum to remove it from my mouth 477440;1391484108;nubbins`;you use it to think it gets the smell of smokes off your body 477441;1391484119;nubbins`;truth is, you fucking reek like smoke after having a cigarette 477442;1391484128;nubbins`;ask anyone around you who doesn't smoke 477443;1391484131;Mats_cd03;i'm not a cigarette scientist okay i can only do so much about the cigarette smoke 477444;1391484131;Vexual;nuns carries half a pund of skunk to get the smell of smoke off his breath 477445;1391484139;mircea_popescu;lol 477446;1391484142;Vexual;scientician 477447;1391484150;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 9461 @ 0.00049068 = 4.6423 BTC [+] {22} 477448;1391484154;mircea_popescu;Vexual runs one of the funniest markov chain bots ever. 477449;1391484157;Mats_cd03;and the smoke touches my hand and mouth, so hand sanitizer and gum is how it goes 477450;1391484159;nubbins`;lel ^ 477451;1391484165;Vexual;im from the ponds institute 477452;1391484174;nubbins`;vexual, ive been quit for 2 years 3 months and uh 477453;1391484181;nubbins`;19 days 477454;1391484187;mircea_popescu;i've been smoking since i was ~15. 477455;1391484195;nubbins`;i only smoked for 5 years 477456;1391484205;mircea_popescu;takes me about 6 to 10 weeks to go through a pack. 477457;1391484207;nubbins`;started at age 25, feel free to have a lel 477458;1391484216;nubbins`;took me 20-24 hours 477459;1391484217;nubbins`;sometimes less 477460;1391484223;mircea_popescu;thats a little exaggerate. 477461;1391484227;nubbins`;occasionally i'd smoke 20 darts over the course of an evening 477462;1391484241;mircea_popescu;don't eat any viagra. 477463;1391484249;nubbins`;nor drink any red bull 477464;1391484272;nubbins`;alkie friend of mine got cut off from red bull one night at the bar 477465;1391484282;Mats_cd03;lol 477466;1391484289;mircea_popescu;lol this reminds me of kramer and his cappucino deal 477467;1391484300;mircea_popescu;"i feel like i'm talking a little fast but you can'treally tell" 477468;1391484302;nubbins`;he says "you know how hard it is to drink six glasses of coke?" 477469;1391484317;nubbins`;downs 4 red bulls, screams his lungs out on a stage for 45 minutes 477470;1391484338;mircea_popescu;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26014387 477471;1391484339;ozbot;BBC News - Corruption across EU 'breathtaking' - EU Commission 477472;1391484341;mircea_popescu;The extent of corruption in Europe is "breathtaking" and it costs the EU economy at least 120bn euros (99bn) annually, the European Commission says. 477473;1391484342;nubbins`;his heartbeat felt like a fucking dubstep club 477474;1391484349;mircea_popescu;sounds like a great reason to move here. 477475;1391484353;Mats_cd03;http://craftastrophe.net/2008/11/keep-your-money-safe-in-your-vagina/ 477476;1391484354;ozbot;Keep Your Money Safe – in Your Vagina | Craftastrophe 477477;1391484371;Mats_cd03;for the friend you hate that has everything... 477478;1391484397;nubbins`;the header on that website is pretty amazing 477479;1391484397;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 477480;1391484404;Mats_cd03;i am particularly amused by the header 477481;1391484446;Vexual;wheres the best place in realeurope for an australian to live? 477482;1391484448;nubbins`;reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQO-aOdJLiw 477483;1391484458;nubbins`;vexual, you won't want to miss ^ 477484;1391484465;mircea_popescu;Vexual spain if you like fat whores, romania if you like slender whores. 477485;1391484466;Mats_cd03;theres even hair glued onto the wallet 477486;1391484493;ThickAsThieves;must be french 477487;1391484512;Vexual;this hurts more than trilema 477488;1391484540;Mats_cd03;^ lol 477489;1391484546;nubbins`;hahaha it's almost too much 477490;1391484555;Vexual;and remids me how i got frozen squid instead of statchcock 477491;1391484578;Vexual;good lamb, you buy 477492;1391484616;Vexual;antidote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VnG3RmZ1sQ 477493;1391484674;nubbins`;unexpected side effect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FavUpD_IjVY 477494;1391484760;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00595747 = 0.423 BTC [+] 477495;1391484767;Vexual;can one walk around speaking english at everyone in romania? 477496;1391484799;mircea_popescu;sure. 477497;1391484807;Vexual;will it float? 477498;1391484817;nubbins`;was waiting for the actual question :D 477499;1391484821;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 477500;1391484822;mircea_popescu;bout the same as it serves you here... 477501;1391484833;assbot;Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1584521/plain/) 477502;1391484833;nubbins`;!b 6 477503;1391484834;Vexual;hmmmm 477504;1391484855;nubbins`;problem with !b is that it's easy to fuck up 477505;1391484874;mircea_popescu;famous last words 477506;1391484887;nubbins`;s/!b/* 477507;1391484890;mircea_popescu;"problem with this linux box/kalashnikov/cuisinart/etc" 477508;1391484909;nubbins`;protip: it's not a problem 477509;1391484911;nubbins`;:D 477510;1391484937;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=271711.msg4917085#msg4917085 477511;1391484939;ozbot;Why MP is your God. 477512;1391484947;mircea_popescu;this dude actually thinks they tailor polo shirts ?! 477513;1391484958;mircea_popescu;it's trollage, right ? 477514;1391484980;nubbins`;http://tsgroupuae.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/polo01.jpg 477515;1391484983;nubbins`;that's a polo shirt 477516;1391484995;nubbins`;is that what you wear under your vest? :\ 477517;1391485015;nubbins`;oh, wait, i cnat raed 477518;1391485020;mircea_popescu;holy moses on a stick, someone sell him some original haagen-dasz 477519;1391485025;mircea_popescu;imported from danishland 477520;1391485030;Vexual;the cowspiders made me sick 477521;1391485037;nubbins`;Vexual, :( 477522;1391485042;nubbins`;ovine > bovine 477523;1391485050;Vexual;no, i have the fear 477524;1391485064;nubbins`;try placing a bare foot on the ground 477525;1391485075;Vexual;yeah that worked, thanks 477526;1391485088;nubbins`;np, it's a good one to remember 477527;1391485108;Vexual;yeah, the feedback loop swas that it made me forget i had feet 477528;1391485115;Vexual;funny how secrets travel 477529;1391485161;mircea_popescu;let's do a game of guess. so my driver (who's really a retired ceo guy, lots of fun) dropped off his 10yo kid to whatever kid social function before picking me up, but didn't go all the way because the street was muddy and his car freshly washed. so the kid had to walk like 100 yards. gets called on phone, kid is affraid of DOGS111!! doesn't know what to do pls help. what does the guy do ? 477530;1391485195;Vexual;txt him a spoonful of cement? 477531;1391485214;Vexual;drive back 477532;1391485217;mircea_popescu;giving away like a promise to pay 1 atc once i get some to the first person that gets the right answer. 477533;1391485221;mircea_popescu;Vexual no and no. 477534;1391485227;Vexual;pick you up? 477535;1391485241;mircea_popescu;well of course, the reason i know about this is cause i was in the car when he got called. 477536;1391485262;Vexual;is there only one answer? 477537;1391485265;mircea_popescu;yeah. 477538;1391485274;mircea_popescu;only one answer, only one altcoin. 477539;1391485286;mike_c;told him to bark at the dog 477540;1391485307;mircea_popescu;mike_c pretty much. spent ten minutes yelling in the phone at the top of his lungs telling the kid what a little shitling it is 477541;1391485314;mike_c;hehe 477542;1391485323;mircea_popescu;"what the fuck do you mean dogs. EAT THEM!!1" 477543;1391485337;mircea_popescu;"if i come home and you've eaten no dog i'm going to spank you!" 477544;1391485344;Vexual;its not really a spoonful of cement if you have to call the kid 477545;1391485360;asciilifeform;korean driver? 477546;1391485370;mircea_popescu;so eventually he's done yelling and im like "you got a point there, gotta get the kid scared-er of you than the dogs, then he'll be fine" 477547;1391485374;mircea_popescu;he goes "d'oh" 477548;1391485381;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, he's romanian. 477549;1391485417;asciilifeform;afaik every man who came of age in the post-soviet lands has eaten dog (army) 477550;1391485431;mircea_popescu;well i suspect the eating part was metaphorical. 477551;1391485451;mircea_popescu;tho... you never know with this nut. 477552;1391485465;Vexual;can he fiz a tyre? 477553;1391485472;asciilifeform;people tell me guard dogs still end up on the rotisserie now and again. 477554;1391485475;mircea_popescu;we never had a flat so far. 477555;1391485500;Mats_cd03;i dont understand why you would eat dog instead of all the other animals in existence 477556;1391485501;Vexual;that was a typo, but the question stands, jason statham stylee 477557;1391485507;mircea_popescu;mike_c i owe you an atc. 477558;1391485510;Mats_cd03;its not as though theyre particularly tasty 477559;1391485524;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 to make a point 477560;1391485524;mike_c;i'll get an address and let you know. 477561;1391485539;mircea_popescu;mike_c not that i have any yet ;/ a-hole miners ain't selling 477562;1391485546;Vexual;ill pay 477563;1391485551;mike_c;too many hoarders! 477564;1391485554;mircea_popescu;you got some v ? 477565;1391485554;asciilifeform;Mats_cd03: because the 'grandpas' (conscripts close to getting their walking papers) ate yer dinner, and the red army conveniently provided you with a dog. 477566;1391485574;Mats_cd03;truly man's greatest companion 477567;1391485576;Vexual;yah 477568;1391485587;mircea_popescu;Vexual pay the man! 477569;1391485615;Vexual;im pretty sure you can make a adkey like bitcoin? 477570;1391485617;nubbins`;oh yeah, i forgot 477571;1391485624;nubbins`;vexual is huge into atc isn't he? 477572;1391485626;mircea_popescu;i have no idea. 477573;1391485641;Vexual;yeah man i found 8 blocks 477574;1391485644;nubbins`;nice 477575;1391485647;nubbins`;congrats 477576;1391485662;nubbins`;that's altmazing 477577;1391485674;Vexual;its supersceded my single radeon now 477578;1391485675;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00092143 = 12.5314 BTC [-] 477579;1391485695;mircea_popescu;what's diff like ? 477580;1391485698;nubbins`;grown up already 477581;1391485725;Vexual;dunno i gave up 477582;1391485726;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, apparently btcguild merge-mines it now 477583;1391485735;Vexual;altname>? 477584;1391485747;nubbins`;i kid ;( 477585;1391485750;mircea_popescu;My thesis about taper is that the banks in the U.S. had mortgage bonds on their books probably close to the tune of a trillion dollars that they could not sell to anyone. It was dead money, and they had to write them off somehow. The problem with writing off close to a trillion dollars worth of mortgage bonds that were held in all the U.S. banks is that kind of money is probably more than the total market capitali 477586;1391485750;mircea_popescu;zation of the U.S. banking industry. So, they had to figure a way to get those mortgage bonds off the books of the banks and silo them somewhere without basically admitting that the U.S. banking system was insolvent. 477587;1391485762;mircea_popescu;(Rob Kirby) 477588;1391485797;Mats_cd03;the eurozone is about to experience the same thing are they not 477589;1391485804;nubbins`;the history of us banking is pretty much "we had to figure out how to pretend we didn't shit the bed" 477590;1391485814;Mats_cd03;i recall something on reuters, although min was 1bln rather than 1t 477591;1391485826;mircea_popescu;basically, the fed has about 2-3 trillion worth of dead money in its 4trn balance sheet. 477592;1391485836;nubbins`;"maybe if we make it illegal to own white sheets" etc 477593;1391485844;mircea_popescu;nubbins` central banking, yes. 477594;1391485845;Vexual;whois bonds for bitcoin 477595;1391485852;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 not quite. no eu fed, fortunately. 477596;1391485873;mod6;atc diff: 16384.00000000 477597;1391485880;nubbins`;bank of canada governor got hired by the bank of england a while ago 477598;1391485882;mircea_popescu;mod6 whoa that setlltes the bet. 477599;1391485898;nubbins`;summer i think 477600;1391485934;mod6;wow: "blocks" : 15753 477601;1391485955;mod6;was at like ~12000 on saturday 477602;1391485960;mircea_popescu;only ?! 477603;1391485964;mircea_popescu;can't be 15k get out. 477604;1391485967;Vexual;even 477605;1391485970;mod6;but diff was 4096 then too 477606;1391485974;Mats_cd03;mircea_popescu: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/03/europe-banks-emergingmarkets-idUSL5N0L82MO20140203 477607;1391486001;Mats_cd03;so...not at all like what i was thinking about 477608;1391486015;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 "exposure to emerging markets" != "money nobody is ever repaying, period". 477609;1391486030;mircea_popescu;yes, i get it, the us is trying to create a periphery crisis to (yet again) shift the focus. 477610;1391486049;mircea_popescu;the previous attempts didn't work, as nobody really cares what the english press is saying outside of the us space anyway. 477611;1391486102;mircea_popescu;it's mostly a case of a guy with terminal cancer inventing sneezes and other health emergencies in the hospital staff. 477612;1391486110;Mats_cd03;im curious to see how the power dynamic between the us and china changes as the chinese move into a consumption phase 477613;1391486126;Vexual;lol consumption phase 477614;1391486131;mircea_popescu;the chinese ain't moving into the consumption phase tho 477615;1391486139;Vexual;they couldnt slow growth if they nuked bejing 477616;1391486145;mircea_popescu;they might have, maybe, unlikely. this crisis is saving them from it for suire. 477617;1391486205;Mats_cd03;a friend of mine who designs env filtration systems told me some good stories about china 477618;1391486231;Mats_cd03;he was there this last year for six months in the north, and apparently everything is literally polluted 477619;1391486263;Mats_cd03;e.g. in the touristy areas of beijing/shanghai they sometimes spray the grass green 477620;1391486263;Vexual;welsome to earth 477621;1391486273;nubbins`;!t h hif 477622;1391486274;assbot;[HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00044000 / 0.00049062 / 0.00050000 (9498 shares, 4.65993879 BTC), 7D: 0.00040500 / 0.00046139 / 0.00050000 (21474 shares, 9.90794302 BTC), 30D: 0.00038011 / 0.00046314 / 0.00050000 (94276 shares, 43.66333216 BTC) 477623;1391486289;Mats_cd03;there was also a good one about pigs being poisoned by some feed or other 477624;1391486308;Mats_cd03;which he happened to see driving by a local river 477625;1391486320;Mats_cd03;said pigs were floating in the dozens downstream 477626;1391486335;Mats_cd03;i wish i had gotten that photo from him... 477627;1391486353;asciilifeform;'patience is to sit on a river bank and wait for the corpse of your enemy to come floating by' 477628;1391486359;Mats_cd03;.cn farmer said fuck it i'll just dump these pig bodies into the water and try again 477629;1391486427;Mats_cd03;he claims literally every single source of water in china is polluted 477630;1391486445;nubbins`;"If you go to that subreddit [doge] people don't know what the fark they are doing but it doesn't matter--they are tipping, they are giving to charity, they are having FUN. Everyone is friendly and very excited--it's a very stark contrast to here. There seems to be a lot of new crypto users joining there instead of here. A LOT of new crypto users." 477631;1391486455;CryptFox;Where's captian planet when you need him most? 477632;1391486456;nubbins`;not sure if srs 477633;1391486468;Vexual;how was morocco? 477634;1391486479;mircea_popescu;delurking lurkers say the strangest things 477635;1391486481;nubbins`;lovely 477636;1391486486;nubbins`;the countryside was nice 477637;1391486489;nubbins`;in particular 477638;1391486498;Vexual;no doubt, did they put you to work? 477639;1391486510;asciilifeform;meat in the sun, plenty of little users! wings a-buzzing. 477640;1391486512;nubbins`;too hot for work 477641;1391486512;mircea_popescu;nubbins` crushing doge is a lot of fun, for sure. 477642;1391486539;nubbins`;guy is on the verge of tears because btc isn't taking lessons from doge 477643;1391486556;mircea_popescu;because totally "crypto user" = fucktard saying words on rettardit. 477644;1391486558;nubbins`;/r/bitcoin is all grown-uppy and boring now 477645;1391486566;nubbins`;and mathy 477646;1391486572;mircea_popescu;and besides, we want more fucktards so desperately. like, not enough, must have more. 477647;1391486579;nubbins`;^ 477648;1391486584;nubbins`;a thousand times ^ 477649;1391486607;mircea_popescu;"mpoe-pr is mean, we will all go to glbse and mpex will sink because you need US!!!1" 477650;1391486610;mircea_popescu;glbse sinks 477651;1391486615;mircea_popescu;"mpoe-pr is mean, we will all go to btct and mpex will sink because you need US!!!1" 477652;1391486616;nubbins`;Vexual, i met a norwegian guy one day in a village 477653;1391486618;mircea_popescu;btct closes 477654;1391486619;mircea_popescu;etc. 477655;1391486634;nubbins`;was checking out this place that produces argan oil 477656;1391486640;nubbins`;"this shit smells like hash" 477657;1391486647;Vexual;no doubt 477658;1391486652;nubbins`;but in fact it was the norwegian guy's fat draw that smelled like hash 477659;1391486665;nubbins`;made more sense then 477660;1391486668;Vexual;wheres my ship? 477661;1391486679;Vexual;north brah, north 477662;1391486695;nubbins`;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_4dCEiaRlc 477663;1391486696;ozbot;John Lee Hooker & Van Morrison - I Cover The Waterfront - YouTube 477664;1391486712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00092112 = 16.5802 BTC [-] 477665;1391486744;nubbins`;your ship had trouble with the fog 477666;1391487085;Mats_cd03;i'm watching a natgeo program called Bomb Hunters 477667;1391487090;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/whisky-and-wieners-paired-for-nlc-promo-1.2521368 477668;1391487095;ozbot;Whisky and wieners paired for NLC promo - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News 477669;1391487095;Mats_cd03;quite good 477670;1391487221;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWC7z859Psc&feature=kp 477671;1391487222;ozbot;The Save, by Jeff Lang - YouTube 477672;1391487304;Vexual;to satoshi 477673;1391487484;Vexual;and all kde haters 477674;1391487611;Vexual;not guatamalian enough? 477675;1391487920;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0qBaBb1Y-U 477676;1391487921;ozbot;Phil Collins - Sussudio (Official Video) - YouTube 477677;1391487932;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1199 @ 0.00082007 = 0.9833 BTC [-] {13} 477678;1391487988;mod6;srsly Vexual? 477679;1391487993;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1301 @ 0.00079993 = 1.0407 BTC [-] {2} 477680;1391488023;Vexual;serious 477681;1391488064;mod6;Suss-suss-cereal 477682;1391488237;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.002984 = 0.185 BTC [+] 477683;1391488238;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnK3DrM0xuY 477684;1391488239;ozbot;Icy Blu - Pump It (Nice An' Hard) - YouTube 477685;1391488292;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg4918218#msg4918218 477686;1391488294;ozbot;[ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC 477687;1391488295;mircea_popescu;holy shit. 477688;1391488302;mircea_popescu;kraken fucks up to a massive degree ;/ 477689;1391488313;Vexual;yeah you get squid 477690;1391488315;mircea_popescu;dude after all the futzing they did with betas and everyhing... i'm dissapointed 477691;1391488324;mircea_popescu;i was srsly expecting much more of this troop. 477692;1391488347;mircea_popescu;and to top it off it looks like they can't cover the ~1mn damage and are splitting. 477693;1391488401;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431273.msg4906752#msg4906752 << you're the fool, yo! 477694;1391488524;Vexual;this is why bricks and mortar casions explain their position with a taste of asphalt 477695;1391488553;mircea_popescu;why bother ? 477696;1391488566;mircea_popescu;asphalt is expensive, Mats_cd03 has to clean it afterwards etc. 477697;1391488570;Vexual;well in a physical environment they start to smell 477698;1391488578;asciilifeform;the beauty of btc is that lusers mix their own cement. 477699;1391488578;mircea_popescu;too true. 477700;1391488824;Vexual;on the internet siz weeks without a show aint shit 477701;1391488867;Vexual;im channeling ghosts coz that said six showers when i typed it 477702;1391488958;Vexual;what colour is goats shirt? 477703;1391488985;Vexual;1 atc for answer 477704;1391488991;Vexual;zuric i win 477705;1391489065;Vexual;mice_c you got an ad yet? 477706;1391489188;Vexual;mike_c ive got shit to do 477707;1391489207;mike_c;not yet. i'm sure we'll bump into each other again. 477708;1391489245;Vexual;a bc add will suffice i think 477709;1391489259;Vexual;this aint lc 477710;1391489380;Vexual;markov says tommorrow wont do 477711;1391489398;mircea_popescu;lmao 477712;1391489579;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 25 @ 0.03400098 = 0.85 BTC [+] {5} 477713;1391489622;mike_c;btc is good? then 18B61TqudC7pwqHP1J52eJwYx7ycwFtV2p 477714;1391489634;Vexual;i think so 477715;1391489638;Vexual;nooone knows 477716;1391489760;Vexual;you own the privkey? 477717;1391489786;mike_c;um, yes? 477718;1391489792;Vexual;very good mr hunt 477719;1391489838;Vexual;sent 477720;1391489897;Mats_cd03;you have A(D),10(S) pre-flop what do you do 477721;1391489936;Mats_cd03;flop is 10JQ (D/S/S) do you play and what are your chances on 1) flush or 2) straight 477722;1391490042;Vexual;play the ace 477723;1391490070;mike_c;thanks vex. now i am diversified. 477724;1391490098;ThickAsThieves;"shipping after Feb 8th. AntMiner U1 is an USB miner with 1 BM1380 chip. Rated 1.6 GH/s, 2 watt power from the USB port." 477725;1391490110;mircea_popescu;lmao diversified. 477726;1391490133;ThickAsThieves;after Feb 8th, perfect! 477727;1391490136;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 you fold. 477728;1391490150;ThickAsThieves;500 units for 18 btc 477729;1391490201;Vexual;external power s dont count 477730;1391490208;Mats_cd03;good answer, you fold 477731;1391490250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49250 @ 0.00092714 = 45.6616 BTC [+] {3} 477732;1391490268;Mats_cd03;playing A10 unsuited is bad, i wouldnt even play A10 suited if i was down 477733;1391490311;Vexual;i assumed the suit was favourable 477734;1391490514;ThickAsThieves;http://www.coindesk.com/us-postal-service-bitcoin-exchanges/ 477735;1391490523;ThickAsThieves;http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/02/u-s-post-office-bitcoin/ 477736;1391490540;Mats_cd03;i forget what the odds are on a straight 477737;1391490560;Mats_cd03;but with a flush if there are 4 out on flop then your chances are 1/3 river+turn 477738;1391490587;mike_c;really? 477739;1391490603;Mats_cd03;i read it in a book once 477740;1391490745;Vexual;gotta look in the eyes 477741;1391490753;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUvueqBJhJs 477742;1391490755;ozbot;Damian & Stephen Marley & Inner Circle - Smoke Gets In My Eyes (original version) - YouTube 477743;1391490909;Vexual;otherwise play the ace 477744;1391490921;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 420 @ 0.002984 = 1.2533 BTC [+] 477745;1391490959;Vexual;poker is raerely won on odds 477746;1391490968;Mats_cd03;against scrubs, maybe 477747;1391490979;Vexual;seals fucker? 477748;1391490987;Mats_cd03;i subscribe to the four levels of poker 477749;1391490999;Vexual;do tell 477750;1391491030;Mats_cd03;1) playing the cards 2) playing the opposition 3) playing what you think the opposition has 4) playing based on what you believe the opposition believes you hold 477751;1391491043;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 80 @ 0.04178024 = 3.3424 BTC [-] {8} 477752;1391491068;Vexual;its more of a cham,pur tho no? 477753;1391491078;Mats_cd03;wut 477754;1391491080;Vexual;le mis? 477755;1391491086;mike_c;5) play based on what the opposition believes you believe the opposition believes you hold 477756;1391491089;Vexual;*le mix? 477757;1391491104;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 60 @ 0.02998996 = 1.7994 BTC [+] {6} 477758;1391491108;ThickAsThieves;6) Go with your gut 477759;1391491130;Mats_cd03;too many levels, i'm falling off a bridge into a lake from inside a van 477760;1391491171;ThickAsThieves;so the USG takes over money transfer via the Post Office? 477761;1391491199;Mats_cd03;i like that 477762;1391491203;ThickAsThieves;kill off Western Union 477763;1391491204;Vexual;ive already told matty im playing every ace, so hes behind 477764;1391491246;ThickAsThieves;at least then they keep more tx in their purview 477765;1391491256;ThickAsThieves;dirty up them coins real good 477766;1391491310;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMYWC0tMZsk 477767;1391491311;ozbot;Matty B - Fridays - YouTube 477768;1391491331;Mats_cd03;western union is worse than aids 477769;1391491348;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.02969 = 0.3266 BTC [-] 477770;1391491349;Vexual;goodles not looking to implelent wu 477771;1391491383;ThickAsThieves;what the price of tea in china in bitcoin? 477772;1391491394;Vexual;or do you mean you're not sure if you got it or not? 477773;1391491432;Vexual;0.0001 per refil? 477774;1391491442;ThickAsThieves;aids? 477775;1391491443;mircea_popescu;7) you are the god of poker so just play whatever you feel like 477776;1391491443;ThickAsThieves;nah i'm clean 477777;1391491444;mircea_popescu;and it'll sort out in the end 477778;1391491454;Vexual;7 has it 477779;1391491487;Vexual;yeah wester union is like aids coz you dont know if you got it 477780;1391491513;Vexual;and otherways not so much 477781;1391491574;Mats_cd03;no theres no subtext wu just sucks 477782;1391491589;Vexual;yeah, wait 6 weeks for nothing special 477783;1391491627;Vexual;a-holes 477784;1391491649;Mats_cd03;i dont get why it costs so much or takes so long 477785;1391491659;Mats_cd03;theyre flipping bits and manning retail locations 477786;1391491691;Mats_cd03;what a genius, hateful business model 477787;1391491891;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hKiePrCV8o 477788;1391491892;ozbot;Jacob Miller - Tenement Yard - YouTube 477789;1391491897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00092763 = 17.5322 BTC [+] 477790;1391491923;ThickAsThieves;speed just isnt as profitable for them 477791;1391491942;ThickAsThieves;of course soon it will be 477792;1391491957;Vexual;will they start sending bc? 477793;1391491958;ThickAsThieves;i suspect they se it coming 477794;1391491963;ThickAsThieves;see 477795;1391491983;ThickAsThieves;when? 477796;1391491989;ThickAsThieves;when their lawyers say ok 477797;1391492052;Vexual;meanwhile google has already tooled up wallet 477798;1391492141;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.0005 = 0.15 BTC [-] 477799;1391492176;Vexual;because matercard lawyers 477800;1391492202;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.111 BTC [-] 477801;1391492203;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 477802;1391492206;Vexual;and satoshi prevails 477803;1391492395;Vexual;its well clever 477804;1391492405;Mats_cd03;when 99% of your revenue is from ads, you can do wutever you want 477805;1391492503;Vexual;knowing what kind of shampoo i use aint no ace 477806;1391492761;Vexual;for everything else, theres bitcoin 477807;1391492813;mod6;:] 477808;1391492895;ThickAsThieves;for the altcoiner who has everything, bitcoin 477809;1391492921;ThickAsThieves;for the altcoiner who has everything, Altcoin* 477810;1391492934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18084 @ 0.00092588 = 16.7436 BTC [-] 477811;1391492942;mircea_popescu;lol 477812;1391492977;ThickAsThieves;so does this coingeninator have any hope of existing? 477813;1391492987;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg4920519#msg4920519 477814;1391492991;mircea_popescu;you got your work cut out for you. 477815;1391493007;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves actually, yes 477816;1391493025;jayk;nope 477817;1391493079;jayk;;o 477818;1391493111;mircea_popescu;". For many people, Bitcoin is the first time they experienced a paradigm shift in a very long time. It's exciting to have your world rocked, but Bitcoin is not a casting call for paradigm-shifters" 477819;1391493113;mircea_popescu;dude i love you. 477820;1391493117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00092763 = 3.1539 BTC [+] 477821;1391493228;Vexual;doeth fridcats trading system exist at all yet? 477822;1391493292;ThickAsThieves;it exists 477823;1391493297;ThickAsThieves;i dont really know why they dont implement 477824;1391493305;ThickAsThieves;i think its a horrible idea 477825;1391493311;ThickAsThieves;maybe they came to same realization 477826;1391493311;Vexual;well you would 477827;1391493325;ThickAsThieves;no, all bias aside for reals 477828;1391493347;ThickAsThieves;FC doesnt want more customer service 477829;1391493351;herbijudlestoids;trollsaywhat! 477830;1391493358;ThickAsThieves;(i assume) 477831;1391493392;Vexual;yeah 477832;1391493501;Vexual;whod be a pimp huh? 477833;1391493665;Namworld;Advertising on BitBet is good. I'd recommend. 477834;1391493678;mircea_popescu;o srsly ? 477835;1391493687;Namworld;Why, yes 477836;1391493699;mircea_popescu;cool 477837;1391493708;mircea_popescu;i was just wondering how it works in report footnotes :p 477838;1391493756;Namworld;footnotes? 477839;1391493815;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-january-2014-statement/#footnote_3_52636 477840;1391493816;ozbot;BitBet, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 477841;1391493862;mircea_popescu;and with that my dear chitlins i bid you a very good laters! 477842;1391494215;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9216 @ 0.00092588 = 8.5329 BTC [-] 477843;1391494276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12184 @ 0.00092446 = 11.2636 BTC [-] 477844;1391494284;Vexual;ThickAsThieves, is it on testnet? 477845;1391494433;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wylq6/if_you_ever_used_bitinstant_in_the_past_i_bet/ 477846;1391494434;ozbot;If you ever used bitinstant in the past, I bet MtGox just locked the funding options on your account 477847;1391494444;ThickAsThieves;Vexual i dont know 477848;1391494451;ThickAsThieves;dunno current status 477849;1391494581;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00092446 = 6.1939 BTC [-] 477850;1391495130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39318 @ 0.00092175 = 36.2414 BTC [-] {3} 477851;1391495435;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 227 @ 0.0005 = 0.1135 BTC [-] 477852;1391495558;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29393 @ 0.00092041 = 27.0536 BTC [-] {2} 477853;1391495984;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00092098 = 23.3008 BTC [+] 477854;1391496045;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12 BTC [+] 477855;1391496595;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12299999 = 0.615 BTC [+] {2} 477856;1391496777;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.14489999 BTC [+] 477857;1391498119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10232 @ 0.00092098 = 9.4235 BTC [+] 477858;1391498851;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 87083 @ 0.00011979 = 10.4317 BTC [+] {2} 477859;1391499156;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.5691522 = 7.9681 BTC [-] {7} 477860;1391499217;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55 = 1.1 BTC [-] 477861;1391499218;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC 477862;1391499400;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.54547241 = 15.8187 BTC [-] {10} 477863;1391499522;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14366 @ 0.0009272 = 13.3202 BTC [+] 477864;1391500132;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.148 = 0.296 BTC [+] 477865;1391500193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00092156 = 8.9852 BTC [-] {2} 477866;1391500193;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.15 = 3.45 BTC [+] {2} 477867;1391500498;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+] 477868;1391502572;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+] 477869;1391502755;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.0445 = 0.2225 BTC [+] 477870;1391503487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00092378 = 10.6235 BTC [+] {3} 477871;1391504402;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.115 BTC [-] 477872;1391504403;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [-] 477873;1391504524;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 477874;1391506293;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC 477875;1391506802;kakobrekla;we lost about 100km of 440kV line 477876;1391506964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29307 @ 0.00092062 = 26.9806 BTC [-] {2} 477877;1391507025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5593 @ 0.00091992 = 5.1451 BTC [-] 477878;1391508063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7341 @ 0.00091992 = 6.7531 BTC [-] 477879;1391508367;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1937 @ 0.00092309 = 1.788 BTC [+] 477880;1391509039;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC 477881;1391509587;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC 477882;1391509709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26762 @ 0.00092742 = 24.8196 BTC [+] 477883;1391510258;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04549998 = 0.2275 BTC [+] {2} 477884;1391510564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00092744 = 4.4517 BTC [+] {2} 477885;1391511417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00092766 = 32.4681 BTC [+] {4} 477886;1391511539;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 32 @ 0.00469188 = 0.1501 BTC [-] {4} 477887;1391511661;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 18 @ 0.02969 = 0.5344 BTC [-] 477888;1391511662;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.16572999 = 3.3146 BTC [+] {10} 477889;1391511990;herbijud1estoids;hullo 477890;1391511992;herbijud1estoids;anyone about 477891;1391512210;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.18 = 0.72 BTC [+] 477892;1391512505;jurov;hi herbi 477893;1391512719;herbijud1estoids;whats happening jurov? 477894;1391512728;herbijud1estoids;seems like youre the only one around this time of night 477895;1391512771;jurov;lol i'm in cest. just came from lunch 477896;1391512779;jurov;*er... CET 477897;1391512813;jurov;gonna have coffee, look around the btcland 477898;1391512817;herbijud1estoids;in australia there is a website called menulog that allows you to order from local resturaunts (that participate) online...lots of them have deals, my fav one delivered me free dinner tonight :D 477899;1391512820;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC 477900;1391512826;jurov;and hen work some... one of these slow days 477901;1391512877;jurov;yees, smae here 477902;1391512881;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 22 @ 0.02969 = 0.6532 BTC [-] 477903;1391512882;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57986674 BTC [+] 477904;1391512899;jurov;but when one has good restaurant over a corner 477905;1391512928;jurov;where they serve you menu for 4.35 euro (and they cook well, rarely i have to order something else) 477906;1391512939;jurov;why bother calling pizza man? 477907;1391512942;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.24310363 = 1.7017 BTC {2} 477908;1391512943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00092812 = 12.8081 BTC [+] {2} 477909;1391513042;jurov;yurp way of life, ya know...everything in walking distance 477910;1391513247;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16831 @ 0.0009292 = 15.6394 BTC [+] {2} 477911;1391513308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5369 @ 0.00092942 = 4.9901 BTC [+] 477912;1391513308;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 45 @ 0.0049 = 0.2205 BTC [+] 477913;1391513552;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 24 @ 0.00500831 = 0.1202 BTC [+] {2} 477914;1391513673;cazalla;i used menulog until they fucked me 477915;1391514041;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 477916;1391514162;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 477917;1391514223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.00092946 = 19.1933 BTC [+] {2} 477918;1391514650;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.00595746 = 0.1013 BTC [+] 477919;1391514894;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.04696427 = 0.9862 BTC [+] {3} 477920;1391515016;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5357 @ 0.00092954 = 4.9795 BTC [+] 477921;1391515199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00092954 = 13.4783 BTC [+] 477922;1391515382;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 22 @ 0.00698568 = 0.1537 BTC [+] {2} 477923;1391515443;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8736 @ 0.00092581 = 8.0879 BTC [-] 477924;1391515626;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 14 @ 0.0077005 = 0.1078 BTC [+] 477925;1391515749;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.0825 = 0.165 BTC [-] {2} 477926;1391515870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00092601 = 15.1866 BTC [+] 477927;1391515870;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC 477928;1391516054;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.0058 = 0.406 BTC [-] 477929;1391516175;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999997 BTC [-] 477930;1391516176;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 14 @ 0.00776871 = 0.1088 BTC [+] {3} 477931;1391516705;kakobrekla;i dont particularly like eating outside 477932;1391516952;chetty;cooking for yourself = better/safer/cheaper 477933;1391516977;kakobrekla;i dunno about safer but yeah, better and cheaper 477934;1391516984;kakobrekla;:) 477935;1391517012;kakobrekla;but i enjoy privacy really, and you normally dont get that eating outside 477936;1391517079;truffles;nobody cares that u like blood sausauages 477937;1391517125;davout;blood sausage is awesome and i do care 477938;1391517167;truffles;orly 477939;1391517174;jurov;if you like cooking for yourself that's awesome 477940;1391517185;jurov;i just gave up 477941;1391517200;kakobrekla;no no 477942;1391517204;kakobrekla;i like other cooking for me 477943;1391517208;kakobrekla;others 477944;1391517231;kakobrekla;just make it in my kitchen 477945;1391517248;truffles;davout can u make it? 477946;1391517268;kakobrekla;truffles i slaugthered a pig and drained the blood for those when i was a kid 477947;1391517278;kakobrekla;also made the sausages (but at a different time) 477948;1391517285;davout;as in cook it? or actually make it? 477949;1391517291;kakobrekla;make them 477950;1391517292;truffles;make the whole thing 477951;1391517295;davout;ah no 477952;1391517301;truffles;kako ure such a brute 477953;1391517317;kakobrekla;you are such pussy 477954;1391517323;truffles;hehe 477955;1391517336;truffles;u wouldnt say that standing next to me :D 477956;1391517356;kakobrekla;you think id have a problem draining your blood? 477957;1391517366;truffles;ud have to get it 1st 477958;1391517395;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999999 BTC [+] 477959;1391517397;truffles;not that pigs just stand there and take it put 477960;1391517427;truffles;hmm maybe they do nm 477961;1391517427;kakobrekla;the pig was prolly two or three times your weight 477962;1391517437;jurov;we did not have pigs, but chicken,and my fav food were dumplings made from fresh chicken blood 477963;1391517442;kakobrekla;well, i didnt do it alone ofc. 477964;1391517446;davout;(and half the smell) 477965;1391517449;jurov;helped to mde them too 477966;1391517451;truffles;exactly 477967;1391517455;truffles;it wasnt a solo job 477968;1391517462;truffles;a human would make more effort 477969;1391517474;kakobrekla;well i think you make an excellent case study 477970;1391517476;kakobrekla;come on over 477971;1391517480;truffles;haha 477972;1391517517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16644 @ 0.00092601 = 15.4125 BTC [+] 477973;1391517534;truffles;if u invite me i might not leave :D 477974;1391517542;kakobrekla;you defo wont leave. 477975;1391517547;truffles;lol 477976;1391517556;jurov;we can propose to mircea to put complete pig slaughter into conference program 477977;1391517577;kakobrekla;yeah like team building excercise 477978;1391517584;kakobrekla;GET THAT PIG!! 477979;1391517603;jurov;and only excuse taken would be to swore under the law one's vegetarian 477980;1391517616;kakobrekla;fuck veggs, they smell bad. 477981;1391517659;truffles;not the other way around? 477982;1391517681;kakobrekla;smell vegs, they fuck bad? 477983;1391517699;truffles;ive heard their parts smell nice 477984;1391517714;kakobrekla;bout as nice as cows. 477985;1391517762;kakobrekla;once i went on a trip with some people for bout 10 days 477986;1391517765;truffles;thats something u could actually do trial for!! 477987;1391517774;kakobrekla;only later found out they are all veggies 477988;1391517782;kakobrekla;it was horrible. 477989;1391517802;truffles;because carrots? 477990;1391517822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18125 @ 0.00092749 = 16.8108 BTC [+] {3} 477991;1391517852;jurov;tbh, as long as they cook well, i don't give a fuck. i was on similar such retreats, rainbow family and whatnot 477992;1391517879;kakobrekla;they were all farting like a motherfuckers 477993;1391517891;kakobrekla;it also affected me 477994;1391517894;kakobrekla;i couldnt stand myself 477995;1391517909;truffles;there are some things id like to try like tofu or certain veggie as meat substitutes 477996;1391517911;jurov;pffft, a little cereal coffee will do 477997;1391517946;kakobrekla;or a little meat 477998;1391517949;kakobrekla;ya know 477999;1391517998;jurov;i found out i actually fart most from bread 478000;1391518018;jurov;as long as they cooked veggies and legumes, it was fine 478001;1391518114;truffles;kako will take notes on that jurov 478002;1391518151;jurov;on what? the pig slaughter? yes go on, by all means 478003;1391518166;kakobrekla;the what? 478004;1391518174;truffles;dietry requirements 478005;1391518189;truffles;a 478006;1391518189;kakobrekla;dont ya have better things to do? 478007;1391518204;truffles;me? no 478008;1391518210;kakobrekla;so sad. 478009;1391518222;truffles;i was midway doing "better thing" 478010;1391518227;jurov;and i haven't even close to some requirements 478011;1391518246;jurov;cuz i was talking about things i don't give a fuck of, not requirements 478012;1391518265;jurov;as long as it tastes good i can't be bothered if there's meat or no 478013;1391518290;truffles;dont u dislike when uve done something, it has updated now u have to refigure out how it works! 478014;1391518299;truffles;+1 jurov 478015;1391518322;mircea_popescu;that's like bisexuality. "as long as i feel good i don't care if there's meat or not" 478016;1391518344;jurov;oh, that' more like pansexuality 478017;1391518348;truffles;0.0 478018;1391518355;mircea_popescu;i guess so. 478019;1391518360;mircea_popescu;s/meat/manmeat 478020;1391518428;jurov;truffles and what i have to refigure? 478021;1391518432;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.13585714 = 0.951 BTC [-] {4} 478022;1391518433;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 478023;1391518439;truffles;i do not u ldo 478024;1391518456;truffles;its like playing chess again in years 478025;1391518469;truffles;id like to complete this chess thing asap 478026;1391518480;truffles;nubbins......... 478027;1391518498;jurov;good things come to those who wait 478028;1391518509;BingoBoingo;truffles: play nubbins' yet? Has Namworld? 478029;1391518516;truffles;i dont know 478030;1391518530;truffles;if it doesnt happen soon im gonna be like watevz 478031;1391518542;mircea_popescu;diametric re the structure and hierarchy discussion : consider this problem http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/ 478032;1391518545;truffles;rather play speed chess 478033;1391518555;mircea_popescu;strictly an artefact of the flat national state. does not exist in sane environments. 478034;1391518570;mircea_popescu;and it is fundamentally not a scam, but an example of structure ATTACKING flatness. 478035;1391518597;truffles;is that your manual mp? 478036;1391518602;truffles;must be juicy read 478037;1391518603;mircea_popescu;structure is being reconstructed, which at the very far edge of course looks quite immoral. everything does. the civilising of barbarians, be they africans or 5 year olds, the birth of capitaism, 478038;1391518618;mircea_popescu;all attacks of a complex, superior system upon a primitive look like rape. in a sense they are. 478039;1391518658;mircea_popescu;in that sense, rape is the best thing that can ever happen to the victim. 478040;1391518666;truffles;sigh 478041;1391518707;mircea_popescu;converse attacks, where flatness attacks structure, can't even exist. 478042;1391518714;kakobrekla;hahahhahaha 478043;1391518716;kakobrekla;what the fuck 478044;1391518717;mircea_popescu;ThickerThanThiev ^ 478045;1391518719;kakobrekla;Dear Crypto Street Customers, 478046;1391518719;kakobrekla;This is the final notice for you to withdraw any funds that you may have remaining on Crypto Street. Effective February 28th, all remaining funds will be lost forever and donated away. So please login and withdraw any coins in your account. Big news is coming, but for now we need to take care of these house keeping details. 478047;1391518719;kakobrekla;Sincerely, 478048;1391518719;kakobrekla;Shamoon 478049;1391518729;mircea_popescu;whoa ? 478050;1391518740;mircea_popescu;you had funds on cryptostreet ?! 478051;1391518768;kakobrekla;sometimes i think you dont know me any more 478052;1391518770;truffles;everything must go 478053;1391518776;kakobrekla;ofc i did not 478054;1391518778;mircea_popescu;lol 478055;1391518784;kakobrekla;i was however bashing them on the forums 478056;1391518787;kakobrekla;when they lauched 478057;1391518792;kakobrekla;and was the slanderous soul 478058;1391518798;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.24310363 = 1.2155 BTC 478059;1391518799;kakobrekla;HOW DARE YOU KAKO !! 478060;1391518814;mircea_popescu;it's prolly your fault they did it. 478061;1391518832;kakobrekla;whats important is that im the bad guy 478062;1391518839;kakobrekla;everywhere and always 478063;1391518854;jurov;you should have silenced them with boobs, like mpoe does 478064;1391518859;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00092566 = 27.2144 BTC [-] {3} 478065;1391518907;mircea_popescu;jurov indeed. being in the minority always helps. 478066;1391518917;mircea_popescu;(on the internet i mean) 478067;1391518944;kakobrekla;latest from slovenia zoo: lynx ate a chamois 478068;1391518951;mircea_popescu;wait why !? 478069;1391518958;kakobrekla;cause fense got torn down 478070;1391518965;kakobrekla;falling trees 478071;1391518973;mircea_popescu;i wonder how hungry a lynx has to get before it eats the chamois 478072;1391518984;kakobrekla;dunno 478073;1391518995;kakobrekla;they said they gave them more than normal amts of food 478074;1391519006;kakobrekla;in order to prevent such things 478075;1391519007;mircea_popescu;does look kinda juicy... 478076;1391519088;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/745/fico-will-be-elected-president-of-slovakia/ << i can't believe there's like 4 btc bet on who will be the president of slovakia 478077;1391519092;ozbot;BitBet - Fico will be elected President of Slovakia 478078;1391519113;mircea_popescu;watch that by 2016 the us pres election fails to gather that much attention. 478079;1391519143;jurov;this is how boob silencing is done irl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAdNS_vlBhA#t=2075 478080;1391519143;mircea_popescu;and it will be one of the funniest things in the entire history of btc / the century. 478081;1391519179;mircea_popescu;jurov couple old boobs keep talkin at each other ? 478082;1391519185;jurov;wait 10sec 478083;1391519198;mircea_popescu;ofeljie... 478084;1391519209;mircea_popescu;that sounds EXACTLY like o felie, which in romanian means "one loaf" 478085;1391519280;mircea_popescu;ahaha next scene 478086;1391519295;mircea_popescu;why the fuck has miss bdsm got 3 watches on ? 478087;1391519369;jurov;it was 1990s 478088;1391519465;mircea_popescu;lol 478089;1391519476;mircea_popescu;so what, she's a psychotic prostitute you gotta pay in watches ? 478090;1391519478;mircea_popescu;one per number ? 478091;1391519539;jurov;dunno.. cezch film, you know, 478092;1391519543;davout;her teeth... 478093;1391519558;mircea_popescu;davout it's clearly paint. 478094;1391519635;mircea_popescu;i like how there's all the shitty halfcountries represented here. romania but no hungary, slovakia but no czech, slovenia but no croatia etc. 478095;1391519656;kakobrekla;erm 478096;1391519661;mircea_popescu;:D 478097;1391519666;kakobrekla;its the croatia that is the half county 478098;1391519670;kakobrekla;for the rest, i dont care. 478099;1391519681;mircea_popescu;my sarcasm! ehehehe 478100;1391519701;kakobrekla;:) 478101;1391519713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40100 @ 0.0009302 = 37.301 BTC [+] {4} 478102;1391519720;mircea_popescu;if teh other romanians find out i said that about hungary ima have protests at the front door 478103;1391519729;kakobrekla;:D 478104;1391519734;mircea_popescu;course, what do tghey know of btc anyway. 478105;1391519771;jurov;ukraine needs to split too, we'll get more ppl here 478106;1391519787;mircea_popescu;maybe there's a guy from transnistria going "he-he-he" in his head right now. 478107;1391519838;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg4922332#msg4922332 amazing security 478108;1391519838;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 478109;1391519840;ozbot;[ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] 478110;1391519847;mircea_popescu;wait, still with this ?! 478111;1391519868;mircea_popescu;who was that dude going on about how art should be tyrant and there should be no memory ? 478112;1391519879;davout;pankkake: LOL 478113;1391519887;mircea_popescu;cause srsly, he's like the gold bugs : all his life preaching, now we're doing it and somehow he doesn't know about it. 478114;1391519962;mircea_popescu;"If you don't think these are a steal you haven't researched the company. 478115;1391519962;mircea_popescu;This price values us at a meagre 12 million USD for the entire 25mill shares." 478116;1391519965;mircea_popescu;so much win. 478117;1391520000;pankkake;getting logged as another user is actually a common bug, usually bad session rng 478118;1391520006;mircea_popescu;guy never saw a 10k bundle in his life, "meagre 12mn" 478119;1391520031;kakobrekla;http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/31/footage-released-guardian-editors-snowden-hard-drives-gchq 478120;1391520032;ozbot;Footage released of Guardian editors destroying Snowden hard drives | UK news | theguardian.com 478121;1391520048;kakobrekla;drill the gpu 478122;1391520053;mircea_popescu;welcome to the internet kakobrekla. glad you got your power back. skip 3 days of "news" nao :D 478123;1391520053;pankkake;no backups? 478124;1391520061;kakobrekla;lol 478125;1391520061;Duffer1;if he's not a sock for ken himself then i get to look forward to commiserating with another scam victim 478126;1391520065;kakobrekla;im going back dark mp 478127;1391520070;kakobrekla;soon 478128;1391520074;mircea_popescu;how come ? 478129;1391520083;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 he sounds too stupid to ever admit it 478130;1391520094;kakobrekla;well the word is they will START to fix my area on SUNDAY 478131;1391520097;mircea_popescu;odds are he'll dump more of his meagre 0.000001 million on some other scammer. 478132;1391520107;kakobrekla;until then my house is powerless 478133;1391520113;Duffer1;you're not wrong 478134;1391520119;mircea_popescu;dude, seriously, come here. what's the big deal ? rent a place for a month, then go back. 478135;1391520140;kakobrekla;now im at another place in ljubljana 478136;1391520142;mircea_popescu;life is all about cheating. 478137;1391520151;mircea_popescu;ok, so they losing power too ? 478138;1391520199;kakobrekla;no, all is ok here, but i need to go back home to take care of some stuff 478139;1391520214;mircea_popescu;fuck the stuff, who cares. it's just stuff. 478140;1391520224;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvgN5gCuLac 478141;1391520225;ozbot;George Carlin Talks About "Stuff" - YouTube 478142;1391520229;kakobrekla;well, the lifes of people are invovled 478143;1391520240;kakobrekla;lives 478144;1391520260;mircea_popescu;o 478145;1391520306;kakobrekla;then ill come back here 478146;1391520316;kakobrekla;either today late or tomorrow 478147;1391520334;kakobrekla;until sunday or something. 478148;1391520365;mircea_popescu;aite. 478149;1391520384;mircea_popescu;seriously look at 1 month sort of arrangements now. 478150;1391520395;mircea_popescu;you're better off wasting 0.2 BTC worth of rents 478151;1391520404;mircea_popescu;than having to patchwork twice every week 478152;1391520410;kakobrekla;the money is not the problem 478153;1391520423;mircea_popescu;right. 478154;1391520567;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.24310363 = 2.1879 BTC 478155;1391520628;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.0475 = 0.19 BTC [+] {2} 478156;1391520872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00092526 = 18.9678 BTC [-] 478157;1391521045;kakobrekla;http://ponzi.io/ 478158;1391521051;kakobrekla;>Discuss Ponzi.io with fellow investors 478159;1391521055;kakobrekla;investors. 478160;1391521075;davout;hah 478161;1391521096;pankkake;it's honest and transparent 478162;1391521100;davout;i can't recall the name of the site that did the exact same thing in 2010 478163;1391521110;davout;MAYBE I GOT A PAYOUT ! 478164;1391521138;davout;wait 478165;1391521146;davout;what we need is a provably fair ponzi 478166;1391521194;davout;oh wait 478167;1391521205;pankkake;it already is, I think 478168;1391521210;davout;yes 478169;1391521219;davout;i didn't realize the addy was static 478170;1391521237;mircea_popescu;i didn't realise static addies were usable or useful. 478171;1391521238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.0009296 = 11.7594 BTC [+] 478172;1391521344;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/45b61e5e90a0e95d17daf51aba7254bb/tumblr_mhbnsvbRsF1ru15g3o1_500.jpg << speaking of "deer in the headlights" 478173;1391521388;kakobrekla;looks like farting position 478174;1391521446;davout;doesn't look like they're resending from the same address tho 478175;1391521462;mircea_popescu;hahaha farting position 478176;1391521467;kakobrekla;14:43.58 ( Ken` ) 8:43 AM [11:52] MagicalTux: why can't we see the raw transactions anymore on https://data.mtgox.com/api/0/bitcoin_tx.php ? 478177;1391521467;kakobrekla;14:43.59 ( Ken` ) 8:43 AM [11:53] <@MagicalTux> BitCoroner, because phantomcircuit found a security issue with showing this 478178;1391521468;mircea_popescu;i didn't know girls farted. 478179;1391521487;kakobrekla;konspiraci 478180;1391521488;mircea_popescu;lol wait. wut !? phantomcircuit FINDS security holes ? 478181;1391521492;mircea_popescu;i thought he just makes them 478182;1391521501;davout;mircea_popescu: they usually start a couple weeks after marriage 478183;1391521510;kakobrekla;at this point i think phantom has all gox btc 478184;1391521531;mircea_popescu;davout i once heard anal sex momentarily paralyzes the colon. so if you do her in the pooper three times a month... 478185;1391521536;mircea_popescu;no farting. 478186;1391521550;davout;heh 478187;1391521567;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla that's a great move, seeing how well he handled bitcoinica. the only reasonable explanation, being, of course, that "all mtgox btc" = ~18.5 ALT 478188;1391521584;kakobrekla;the refunded the broken txes but now the success rate of making a withdrawal is even lower, down to 25% 478189;1391521587;kakobrekla;they* 478190;1391521596;kakobrekla;just what im hearing 478191;1391521610;mircea_popescu;(i wonder how many people noticed the general pattern where people start doing deals with known scammers putting them in a fiduciary capacity as they're preparing to plausibly-deniably close up shop) 478192;1391521625;Duffer1;more about ActM - turns out trading for shares is open, on Crypto-Trade, but only one person has shares to sell, Ken, 200,000 at .0005 478193;1391521645;Duffer1;everyone is being kept waiting while he dumps 478194;1391521651;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 d'oh. 478195;1391521667;mircea_popescu;much competition for mpex such wow etc. 478196;1391521672;Duffer1;hehe 478197;1391521788;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.24310363 = 1.9448 BTC 478198;1391521849;mircea_popescu;fun fact : mtgox is pretty much the last remaining thing since the days before mpoe/mpex iirc. 478199;1391521929;kakobrekla;fun fact: bitstamp is getting sold 478200;1391521966;Duffer1;who bought? panama fund? 478201;1391521967;mircea_popescu;who's buying ? 478202;1391522013;kakobrekla;i dont know who since even this fact that its being sold was leaked but i do know the supposed date 478203;1391522056;jurov;inb4 nejc bought private jet 478204;1391522072;jurov;i hope he won't sell it to panama :D 478205;1391522090;BingoBoingo;Prolly sold BitStamp to jimmothy 478206;1391522109;Duffer1;ah jimmothy 478207;1391522125;Duffer1;i have taken to trolling him via haiku, i hope he keeps posting, i have more 478208;1391522216;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 he's really a poster child of 2013 retardation. i've had his history reviewed, he's pretty much all about all the wrong choices. 478209;1391522228;mircea_popescu;funny how people manage this, it fascinates me. 478210;1391522267;mircea_popescu;total dividend asicminer may still be paying ? "Just based off last years profit maybe another 200k btc" 478211;1391522280;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg4921544#msg4921544 478212;1391522282;Duffer1;o.0 478213;1391522283;ozbot;ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It 478214;1391522299;mircea_popescu;"Hoping colored coins takes off. I've heard mastercoin has a few cool features but that doesn't matter if its centralized." 478215;1391522329;mircea_popescu;it's just a brainfuckfest with him, i wish i understood how is it that people can never, absolutely never, no matter what happens make all the right choices, 478216;1391522340;mircea_popescu;yet about 1/3 of the population regularly makes all the wrong choices. 478217;1391522343;mircea_popescu;not most. all. 478218;1391522344;kakobrekla;inb4 NiggerCoin 478219;1391522354;mircea_popescu;this sounds like it shouldn't happen, statistically. 478220;1391522458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10557 @ 0.00092526 = 9.768 BTC [-] 478221;1391522490;kakobrekla;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg4931563#msg4931563 478222;1391522493;ozbot;Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock] 478223;1391522527;pankkake;you're just trying to get banned while you can't internets 478224;1391522537;kakobrekla;speaking of, im outtahere 478225;1391522541;kakobrekla;later dudes. 478226;1391523068;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11568 @ 0.000925 = 10.7004 BTC [-] {2} 478227;1391523541;mircea_popescu;meanwhile http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=142178311 478228;1391523685;pankkake;$50?! 478229;1391523743;mircea_popescu;well how much do you think it is. 478230;1391523746;davout;yeah that sounded cheap 478231;1391523800;pankkake;if I was her brother I'd be mad too, she can't sell herself properly 478232;1391523827;mircea_popescu;you seriously think going rate for avg junior hs tail is > $50 ?! 478233;1391523843;BingoBoingo;Maybe she figures she can gross more by bringing in volume? 478234;1391523881;pankkake;wouldn't underage at least provide a premium? 478235;1391523883;davout;why you gonna arbitrage it? 478236;1391523910;mircea_popescu;pankkake no. she doesn't know the buz. 478237;1391523932;mircea_popescu;but srsly, i think bitcoin has fucked with your heads to the degree you have no idea what work money commands. 478238;1391523946;mircea_popescu;$50 is a WEEK worth of bussing/dishwashing for the average mexican yo. 478239;1391523953;mircea_popescu;she gets it in half an hour. 478240;1391523998;mircea_popescu;in any major town there are literally hundreds of thousands of women under 30 living in places paid-for by the government, getting free food. 478241;1391524005;mircea_popescu;you think they click on lolpics all day liek teh boys ?! 478242;1391524143;BingoBoingo;Point taken 478243;1391524227;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.000129 = 0.4515 BTC [+] 478244;1391524379;herbijud1estoids;hullo 478245;1391524402;BingoBoingo;Oh looky, who called this out in the Silk Road aftermath https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2014/feb/03/dea-parallel-construction-guides/ 478246;1391524417;herbijud1estoids;so i have enough datapoints (assuming the ddos didnt disrupt my timeseries too much -- looks like it didnt) for a simple mean reversion model which works well in markets without market-makers/specialists/HFT bots 478247;1391524441;herbijud1estoids;anyone wanna see? 478248;1391524541;herbijud1estoids;http://imgur.com/Io3BDJG data isnt fresh (from ~12h ago) but the idea is buy MPOE below 50 and sell above 478249;1391524542;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 478250;1391524561;herbijud1estoids;if there was options you could build a synthetic short 478251;1391524591;herbijud1estoids;i dont have enough datapoints yet to build the accompanying regime filter which tells you when market conditions are good or not for this model 478252;1391524593;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.0009211 = 12.3427 BTC [-] {2} 478253;1391524675;herbijud1estoids;but it looks like the trading is so 'pure' that it might not be necessary :P 478254;1391524875;KRS-;,bait 478255;1391524898;ThickerThanThiev;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wzdsd/bitcoinj_011_released/ 478256;1391524899;ozbot;Bitcoinj 0.11 released : Bitcoin 478257;1391524908;KRS-;Assburger's Bait: 478258;1391524908;KRS-;http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/21021000/ngbbs4bc015a542b0c.jpg 478259;1391525115;herbijud1estoids;nobody care :( 478260;1391525264;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00091992 = 7.2674 BTC [-] 478261;1391525366;ThickAsThieves;http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/02/nymi/ 478262;1391525367;ozbot;Only Your Heartbeat Can Unlock This Bitcoin Wallet | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com 478263;1391525376;herbijud1estoids;also mircea_popescu i tried to query do a STAT with pympex but it didnt work, said i need to sign the key (which i obviously did), are you *sure* i dont need an account to run the queries? 478264;1391525436;davout;you need an account to stat 478265;1391525450;ThickAsThieves;stat tells you whats in your account, sooooo 478266;1391525467;herbijud1estoids;and stat is the only command that gives you the trade histories, right? 478267;1391525483;davout;it gives you yours 478268;1391525493;ThickAsThieves;kako sells data feed access 478269;1391525526;herbijud1estoids;he told me it was from 2012 478270;1391525544;ThickAsThieves;i mean live 478271;1391525561;mircea_popescu;herbijud1estoids http://mpex.co/faq.html#11 478272;1391525591;mircea_popescu;you can get the mkt depth and vwap feeds w/o any account 478273;1391525597;mircea_popescu;$vwap X.EUR 478274;1391525598;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: X.EUR 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 0.00166971 high: 0.00170089 low: 0.00166114 volume: 3200 btc: 5.343075 30 day: average: 0.00178882 high: 0.002 low: 0.0016245 volume: 21739 btc: 38.88705537 478275;1391525607;mircea_popescu;$depth X.EUR 478276;1391525608;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: X.EUR Bids: ['1200 @ 0.00166251', '4200 @ 0.0016245', '100 @ 0.00153846', '1000 @ 0.001', '100000 @ 0.0009945'] 478277;1391525609;mircea_popescu;same thing the bot gets. 478278;1391525609;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1061 @ 0.00168488', '2200 @ 0.001773', '1350 @ 0.0019975'] 478279;1391525633;herbijud1estoids;ThickAsThieves: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2014#465959 478280;1391525640;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dunno, do i count ? 478281;1391525674;mircea_popescu;herbijud1estoids 50 what, 50k satoshi ? 478282;1391525691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00092056 = 1.3348 BTC [+] 478283;1391525707;herbijud1estoids;mircea_popescu: no as in when the model is reporting a number below 50 you buy at market and when it goes above 50 you sell at market 478284;1391525718;mircea_popescu;a a yes i see. 478285;1391525751;herbijud1estoids;MPOE is probly the only stock in the world valued at its current value that you could do this on the microstructure without living in the exchange...how interesting is that! 478286;1391525755;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Of course 478287;1391525757;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves an "only your orgasm shrieks can unlock this wallet" would be moar better. 478288;1391525785;mircea_popescu;herbijud1estoids bitcoin revolutionizes finance, if well implemented by people with a clue you say ? 478289;1391525788;mircea_popescu;fuck me, i'm like shocked. 478290;1391525796;herbijud1estoids;well, i dunno if it will last obviously 478291;1391525799;herbijud1estoids;but for now its the case 478292;1391525818;herbijud1estoids;at some point someone will come in and trade this with volume until the returns are close to cost of capital 478293;1391525818;mircea_popescu;me either, but still. 478294;1391525828;mircea_popescu;what is "cost of capital" ? 478295;1391525830;jurov;herbijud1estoids: wait till you want to start actually talking to mpex's congenial interface 478296;1391525848;jurov;or savy yourself the suffering and talk to me first ;) 478297;1391525851;herbijud1estoids;mircea_popescu: different for different investors, but basically whatever it cost you :P 478298;1391525890;herbijud1estoids;if you think you have an edge and borrow a million dollars at 3% to implement an algo that trades this, then obviously your cost of capital is 3%+R&D 478299;1391525929;ThickAsThieves;reminds me of a question 478300;1391525935;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1648 @ 0.00012 = 0.1978 BTC [-] {3} 478301;1391525952;ThickAsThieves;in Kelly criterion, what do you do given infinite EV propositions? 478302;1391525973;mircea_popescu;herbijud1estoids my point being that we have a serious problem in this space with that (and other) basic numbers. 478303;1391525976;herbijud1estoids;jurov: i really dont have the time to push this much further than i already am with work and other projects but if i get motivated and time i will definitely appreciate any help 478304;1391525980;mircea_popescu;according to mpbor it's something crazy like 1k% a year. 478305;1391525991;mircea_popescu;according to discounted future cash flow approach it's maybe 0.01% a year. 478306;1391526001;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: With a time machine 478307;1391526005;mircea_popescu;accorfding to the largest stock in the marketplace it's more like 0.5 - 0.2% a year 478308;1391526014;herbijud1estoids;ThickAsThieves: i would check the model to make sure its not broken and if not probly trade on a volatility adjusted level...i like ~15%/pa STDDEV 478309;1391526018;mircea_popescu;that sort of divergenge can only be interpreted to mean there's turbulence. 478310;1391526047;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves in the universe in which the kelly criterion is meaningful, infinite ev is not possible. 478311;1391526075;mircea_popescu;review the http://trilema.com/2014/its-not-the-sauce-its-the-poultry-and-other-metamathematical-considerations/ article, it's seminal. 478312;1391526076;ThickAsThieves;word 478313;1391526102;mircea_popescu;otherwise in practical terms his heuristic sounds reasonable, 478314;1391526109;mircea_popescu;subject to parameter adjustment for your own convenience. 478315;1391526169;herbijud1estoids;MPBOR...the MP bank offered rate? 478316;1391526186;mircea_popescu;herbijud1estoids yeah. 478317;1391526193;herbijud1estoids;wheres it listed i cant see it 478318;1391526196;mircea_popescu;cause of the way the bondbod is financed, you familiar with that ? 478319;1391526201;mircea_popescu;published each month with the s.mpoe reports. 478320;1391526209;herbijud1estoids;ah right 478321;1391526211;herbijud1estoids;no sorry 478322;1391526220;herbijud1estoids;also its 2am here and i might be more retarded than normal 478323;1391526240;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+] 478324;1391526380;herbijud1estoids;cost of capital isnt necessarily reflected by MPBOR 478325;1391526423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11707 @ 0.00092043 = 10.7755 BTC [-] {2} 478326;1391526429;herbijud1estoids;like i said, if i borrow a million for the endeavour of trading mean reversion model on MPOE at 3%, then my returns are only dependent on MPBOR in the sense that MPOE is the business handling MPBOR 478327;1391526446;herbijud1estoids;million USD, for example 478328;1391526497;herbijud1estoids;the twitter feed is fucking gold. i will learn how to pull data from it tomorrow and see if i can make some interesting graphs 478329;1391526537;herbijud1estoids;maybe just httrack and grep/awk could be sufficient 478330;1391526595;herbijud1estoids;mircea_popescu: do you have a formal education in finance of any sort? 478331;1391526597;mircea_popescu;herbijud1estoids sadly it meanwhile got canned "for spam" 478332;1391526603;mircea_popescu;but you can use the rss. 478333;1391526616;mircea_popescu;herbijud1estoids no. i have a personal education in finance. 478334;1391526638;herbijud1estoids;hope someone has congratulated you on the awesome thing you built and if not, congrats 478335;1391526646;mircea_popescu;ty. it does happen occasionally. 478336;1391526667;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00298072 = 1.1923 BTC [+] {3} 478337;1391526671;mircea_popescu;as a rule tho, people lack the intellectual sophistication to have and use the tools to discern it, and then the time to do so. 478338;1391526676;herbijud1estoids;i only looked at pympex today and when i was reading the FAQ about "SPLIT" i thought goddamn genius 478339;1391526685;mircea_popescu;so for all practical purposes, allow me to welcome you into the church of mpex scientology. 478340;1391526691;mircea_popescu;lol 478341;1391526692;herbijud1estoids;lul 478342;1391526709;mircea_popescu;you know ppl sort-of bitched at me about it, and i think they still don't think it's right but mostly take my word for it. 478343;1391526759;herbijud1estoids;seems right to me 478344;1391526835;herbijud1estoids;anyway i should really bed. was supposed to wake up early and hassle some engineers in san fran but i got distracted watching boogie nights 478345;1391526845;mircea_popescu;anyway. i do believe it's more about what it'll hopefully blossom into than what it is yet. 478346;1391526847;mircea_popescu;jus' needs some time to accrete people. 478347;1391526856;mircea_popescu;did you like that ?! 478348;1391526872;herbijud1estoids;i watched it cos hoffman died and it was his first movie 478349;1391526890;mircea_popescu;i tried to watch capote and i couldn't get through the whole thing. 478350;1391526897;herbijud1estoids;never seen it before, some of the scenes at the start i thought was amazing...like the first time the guy catches his wife cheating on him 478351;1391526897;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 478352;1391526900;mircea_popescu;man's best performance is flawless, no dispute possible. 478353;1391526911;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 19 @ 0.0077005 = 0.1463 BTC [-] {3} 478354;1391526920;herbijud1estoids;my fav movie with him in it is charlie wilsons war, but i guess its a subject matter thing 478355;1391526948;herbijud1estoids;i think rambo4 and charlie wilsons war should be mandatory viewing for all american citizens :P 478356;1391526963;mircea_popescu;wtf. 478357;1391526988;ThickAsThieves; i tried to watch capote and i couldn't get through the whole thing. --- mme too 478358;1391526998;mircea_popescu;why not "some came running" and "cat on a hot tin roof" 478359;1391527002;herbijud1estoids;rambo4? back when the taliban were the "brave and fearless men and women of afghanistan fighting for their freedom" to which the movie was dedicated 478360;1391527024;mircea_popescu;lol 478361;1391527063;herbijud1estoids;havent you seen it man! omg...rambo takes the game right to those pesky commie bastards! 478362;1391527067;ThickAsThieves;"Or in other words, while the sauce for the goose works just fine for the gander, this point is well wasted on vegetarians : the stuff they eat doesn’t even have gender." << Cuz we mostly eat the gendery parts! 478363;1391527089;herbijud1estoids;how dare they invade afghanistan! 478364;1391527119;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves interestingly enough that's true huh 478365;1391527138;mircea_popescu;who knew vegans are dedicated to a strict regimen of gonads. 478366;1391527161;herbijud1estoids;oh shit thats the wrong one, its rambo3! 478367;1391527168;herbijud1estoids;http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/16/vegans-stomach-unpalatable-truth-quinoa 478368;1391527169;ozbot;Can vegans stomach the unpalatable truth about quinoa? | Joanna Blythman | Comment is free | thegua 478369;1391527172;herbijud1estoids;troll teh hippiez 478370;1391527172;mircea_popescu;lol 478371;1391527194;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/b3ac1840d0730a8db0526593788e4e88/tumblr_mhbo76rAux1ru15g3o1_400.gif << meanwhile somewhere in france, this is why we like natural boobs. 478372;1391527204;herbijud1estoids;that came out today, obviously a moron funded by the cow council or something, but great to rile up the vegans with 478373;1391527235;mircea_popescu;the cow council lol. 478374;1391527242;mircea_popescu;their hq is in the diablo cow level. 478375;1391527259;mircea_popescu;worst guy among them is beefenstick frozenfist. 478376;1391527279;herbijud1estoids;dude i am not gonna sit here and try and come up with a more evil cow related name than that 478377;1391527299;ThickAsThieves;it makes no sense 478378;1391527301;herbijud1estoids;cowtler. 478379;1391527303;mircea_popescu;yw. 478380;1391527304;jcpham;beefenstick frozenfist winner winner 478381;1391527311;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves rakanishu. 478382;1391527412;mircea_popescu;wait wait, the author's name is joanna blythe man ?! this is trolling, right ? 478383;1391527453;mircea_popescu;joanna blythe-man on crop blights. 478384;1391527471;ThickAsThieves;"Joanna Blythman is an food writer, investigative journalist and broadcaster" 478385;1391527527;mircea_popescu;if only it said bloadcaster ill. 478386;1391527550;mircea_popescu;also this entire convo has to be bashed somehow 478387;1391527603;ThickAsThieves;that's what trilema is for, to bash the unbashable 478388;1391527615;mircea_popescu;i guess. 478389;1391527623;mircea_popescu;besides, there's a nice flattery bit at the top huh. aite, brb. 478390;1391527643;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00092377 = 27.2974 BTC [+] {2} 478391;1391527704;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999969 BTC [-] 478392;1391527715;ThickAsThieves;"Exactly! I want to buy a pizza with 10k ATC and regret it later. I'm even willing to throw away a fraction of a Bitcoin (and regret that later too) for the experience." 478393;1391527729;ThickAsThieves;this may cause a black hole 478394;1391527744;ThickAsThieves;good thing they are no longer black 478395;1391527765;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1660 @ 0.00012001 = 0.1992 BTC [-] 478396;1391527888;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+] 478397;1391527937;mircea_popescu;are they pinky-flesh in color ? 478398;1391527949;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00092647 = 8.6625 BTC [+] {2} 478399;1391527964;ThickAsThieves;Hawking says they are grey now 478400;1391527999;ThickAsThieves;http://www.nbcnews.com/science/stephen-hawking-shakes-theory-again-black-holes-are-actually-gray-2D12001605 478401;1391528000;ozbot;Stephen Hawking shakes up theory (again): Black holes are actually gray - NBC News.com 478402;1391528009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19193 @ 0.00091992 = 17.656 BTC [-] 478403;1391528068;mircea_popescu;;;later tell herbijud1estoids no fucken way hoffman's first thing is that 1997 atrocityu. 478404;1391528069;gribble;The operation succeeded. 478405;1391528079;mircea_popescu;a that. 478406;1391528091;pankkake;black holes not black, pluto not a planet. damn scientists 478407;1391528113;nubbins`;well what is "black", really 478408;1391528127;nubbins`;i advance that nothing in your line of sight is black 478409;1391528131;mircea_popescu;<pankkake> black holes not black, pluto not a planet. damn scientists << SCAM 478410;1391528134;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Hoffman's first part seems to have been as random disposable criminal in Law and Order 478411;1391528148;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no way dude he woked all through the 90s 478412;1391528157;mircea_popescu;bit parts mostly, but i'm sure his debut must be like 1990 or something 478413;1391528180;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Law and order started in 1990 478414;1391528181;nubbins`;i thought hoffman died in 89 478415;1391528193;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999958 BTC [-] 478416;1391528194;mircea_popescu;a ? i thought it was a mid 90s thing 478417;1391528203;ThickAsThieves; well what is "black", really <<< something about dark matter and absence of light, still sorting it all out i think 478418;1391528217;mircea_popescu;CERN scientits announce : holes to be black in two weeks! 478419;1391528234;mircea_popescu;atm still brown. 478420;1391528235;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves, it's all a continuum, tbf 478421;1391528247;ThickAsThieves;when i was young, men were women, and holes were black! 478422;1391528249;nubbins`;for most purposes, you can be lax with the definition 478423;1391528253;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999959 BTC [+] 478424;1391528276;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves "and now here i am, surrounded by all this brown shit" 478425;1391528294;ThickAsThieves;nice 478426;1391528314;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.5699996 = 2.85 BTC [+] 478427;1391528446;ThickAsThieves;spider sense tingling, bitcoin drama levels feel too depleted 478428;1391528468;ThickAsThieves;time for a fork maybe? 478429;1391528473;ThickAsThieves;;;tslb 478430;1391528477;gribble;Time since last block: 25 minutes and 56 seconds 478431;1391528494;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=412041.0 478432;1391528497;ozbot;Fork The Blockchain And Block The Seized FBI Coins. 478433;1391528525;nubbins`;triple facepalm 478434;1391528528;ThickAsThieves;lol 478435;1391528592;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Late 90's was when the flood of spinoffs started 478436;1391528615;nubbins`;"Hay guise I have an Idea™" 478437;1391528618;ThickAsThieves;regulate the regulators! 478438;1391528642;nubbins`;"Normally I'd ask for a share of the profits but this time it's free" 478439;1391528647;mircea_popescu;im surprised it's not "redistribute the fbi coins" 478440;1391528661;nubbins`;heh 478441;1391528664;nubbins`;there ya go 478442;1391528676;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg4924847#msg4924847 478443;1391528679;mircea_popescu;she lives to serve. 478444;1391528702;nubbins`;"We all just need to agree to craft a bogus block where the FBI coins get sent to 1BitcoinEater" 478445;1391528729;mircea_popescu;grasp of bitcoin basics under 1/9000 478446;1391528732;ThickAsThieves;why is the link particular to me? 478447;1391528737;nubbins`;"The Fed's stole those coins." 478448;1391528739;nubbins`;hmmm 478449;1391528739;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves weren't you asking for drama ? 478450;1391528743;ThickAsThieves;ah 478451;1391528745;ThickAsThieves;not good enough 478452;1391528750;ThickAsThieves;high drama 478453;1391528752;mircea_popescu;well dude what you want. 478454;1391528754;nubbins`;not sure if he means "The Feds stole those coins." or "The Fed's stolen those coins." 478455;1391528773;mircea_popescu;nubbins` he means "fjkhkj45hkj45ngvdfzgh9853 jyjx" 478456;1391528778;nubbins`;heh 478457;1391528792;pankkake;wait kraken lost 600 btc? 478458;1391528792;nubbins`;turns out he's just a cat that's looking for a warm place to nap 478459;1391528800;pankkake;that's like their yearly volume 478460;1391528806;mircea_popescu;pankkake you don't say. 478461;1391528808;nubbins`;they didn't lose them, some guy put a QR code sticker on top of theirs 478462;1391528815;ThickAsThieves;hehe 478463;1391528825;mircea_popescu;nubbins` wait wut ? 478464;1391528833;ThickAsThieves;i wonder how often we'll hear of that hack again 478465;1391528834;nubbins`;lel j/k 478466;1391528851;mircea_popescu;afaik they botched the entire receiving address thing, now they don;'t know who sent them btc. 478467;1391528852;nubbins`;i was reading a thread yesterday about this guy who ate at a restaurant that accepts btc 478468;1391528860;mircea_popescu;top the tune of AT LEAST 600 btc, beingone addy we know about 478469;1391528867;nubbins`;somebody put a sticker over the QR code by the cash 478470;1391528871;mircea_popescu;they're lieing about it, so clearly it's not the only one, nor they can cover. 478471;1391528874;nubbins`;poor diner was asked to pay twice 478472;1391528895;mircea_popescu;link ? 478473;1391528948;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wwzbf/psa_new_scam_to_be_aware_of_someone_stole_my/ 478474;1391528954;pankkake;also http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1vvghq/scam_found_this_in_palo_alto_address_not_on_effs/ 478475;1391528954;nubbins`;"new scam to be aware of" 478476;1391528978;ThickAsThieves;maybe we'll get a bitcoin robin hood 478477;1391528986;nubbins`;pretty sure the whole story was upvote-bait 478478;1391528989;ThickAsThieves;swapping QR codes around the world 478479;1391528998;nubbins`;especially considering the diner agreed to PAY HALF AGAIN 478480;1391529021;nubbins`;y'know, a thing that people would do after it's obvious to all parties that a ripoff occurred 478481;1391529046;nubbins`;anyway, i bellowed laughter at this: 478482;1391529048;nubbins`;"One of the officers even said "why didn't you just pay with real money?"" 478483;1391529083;ThickAsThieves;well just go to restaurants with QR codes in pocket, pay yourself, then be all ZOMG what's happening! 478484;1391529088;nubbins`;^^^^ 478485;1391529107;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 950 @ 0.00011202 = 0.1064 BTC [-] {4} 478486;1391529108;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+] 478487;1391529131;nubbins`;qr code taped to reg makes about as much sense as a bucket full of cash and coins placed on the counter 478488;1391529137;nubbins`;"just dump your payment in here" 478489;1391529155;ThickAsThieves;but it works with tip jars and leaving cash on table/bar 478490;1391529156;nubbins`;"we'll probably figure it out" 478491;1391529162;nubbins`;tip jars, sure 478492;1391529174;nubbins`;nobody cares how much you tipped 478493;1391529188;ThickAsThieves;many leave cash on table and leave 478494;1391529193;nubbins`;nod 478495;1391529205;nubbins`;then server has mild panic 478496;1391529210;nubbins`;drops what they're doing and runs to table 478497;1391529212;nubbins`;etc 478498;1391529229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00092213 = 6.2705 BTC [+] 478499;1391529241;nubbins`;heh 478500;1391529245;nubbins`;i guess a better analogy would be 478501;1391529251;nubbins`;that the bucket is hidden from the cashier's view 478502;1391529278;Mats_cd03;Meow 478503;1391529290;ThickAsThieves;someone told falkvinge http://falkvinge.net/2014/02/04/major-bitcoin-exchange-not-executing-withdrawals-now-owes-clients-38m-in-disappeared-money/ 478504;1391529315;mircea_popescu; well just go to restaurants with QR codes in pocket, pay yourself, then be all ZOMG what's happening! <<< sorta like the self-hitting pedestrians. 478505;1391529333;nubbins`;"the car came outta nowhere" 478506;1391529337;ThickAsThieves;times they are a changing 478507;1391529345;ThickAsThieves;https://support.mtgox.com/entries/26128504-Update-Statement-Regarding-BTC-Withdrawal-Delays 478508;1391529346;ozbot;Update - Statement Regarding BTC Withdrawal Delays : Support Desk 478509;1391529356;ThickAsThieves;"we are currently experiencing a problem where some bitcoin withdrawals are not being transferred correctly" 478510;1391529360;mircea_popescu; drops what they're doing and runs to table <<< i usually just dump the money on the table if the girl fed me or on the nightstand if she fucked me. 478511;1391529364;ThickAsThieves;"Those transactions have now been returned to customer accounts in full" 478512;1391529365;ThickAsThieves;lol 478513;1391529366;mircea_popescu;in neither case is there a run. 478514;1391529393;ThickAsThieves;"This problem applies primarily to larger transactions, so we appreciate your patience as we fix the issue. " 478515;1391529395;ThickAsThieves;lololol 478516;1391529402;TomServo;He considered Gox to be a safer repository for bitcoin than his own probably-hackable computer. That judgment may not have been accurate. 478517;1391529404;TomServo;Oh my. 478518;1391529419;mircea_popescu;"we're scamming, and we hope people we fucked foir a lot of money are like idiots and everything" 478519;1391529421;TomServo;Maaaaybe not. Still uncertain. 478520;1391529440;nubbins`;i actually signed up for an account on kraken after reading all this 478521;1391529446;mircea_popescu;but tbh, they deserve the reaming. if they missed april they can't be helped anymore. 478522;1391529457;mircea_popescu;every douche figures himself a bright mind, well... 478523;1391529477;nubbins`;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26031331 478524;1391529478;ozbot;BBC News - Self-updating Bitcoin price tag shown off in east London 478525;1391529515;ThickAsThieves;will they make inflating USD ones? 478526;1391529535;mircea_popescu;lmao 478527;1391529558;ThickAsThieves;act fast! 478528;1391529584;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/IG4ZDRn.jpg 478529;1391529593;ThickAsThieves;maybe this can get rid of cashiers altogether 478530;1391529594;nubbins`;re: a ton of media logos 478531;1391529602;ThickAsThieves;you pay the little ink box 478532;1391529603;ThickAsThieves;it unlocks 478533;1391529628;ThickAsThieves;cant leave store with merch and inkboxes 478534;1391529648;nubbins`;you guys don't have self-checkouts yet? 478535;1391529654;nubbins`;i personally fuckin hate 'em 478536;1391529655;ThickAsThieves;at groceries 478537;1391529665;ThickAsThieves;i only use them if no one is around 478538;1391529667;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-what-trilema-is-for-im-told/ << latest trilema post. 478539;1391529668;ozbot;This is what Trilema is for, I’m told. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 478540;1391529671;mircea_popescu;taking bets on whether it includes tits. 478541;1391529672;nubbins`;know who's faster at checking out your groceries? the person who does it for a living. 478542;1391529778;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC 478543;1391529832;nubbins`;self-checkouts are a trick 478544;1391529839;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.1306 = 0.653 BTC [-] {2} 478545;1391529842;nubbins`;"maybe it'll be faster" 478546;1391529853;mircea_popescu;i kinda prefer farmer markets tho. who buys groceries in a store ? 478547;1391529859;mircea_popescu;i don't think i have this decade. 478548;1391529863;nubbins`;next thing you know, PLEASE PLACE THE SCANNED ITEM IN THE BAG. PLEASE PLACE THE SCANNED ITEM IN THE BAG. and there's a fuckin cashier helping you out anyway 478549;1391529901;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, there's a few farmer's markets around here but a grocery store within walking distance 478550;1391529917;mircea_popescu;i got access to engines and shit 478551;1391529932;nubbins`;oh sure, me too, but why drive when you can walk? 478552;1391529945;mircea_popescu;i got a driver, he can take the groceries back and i can carry on in town 478553;1391529947;nubbins`;plus newfoundland produces only about 10% of its own food supply, so farmer's markets aren't a general solution 478554;1391529950;mircea_popescu;what we did last time 478555;1391529956;mircea_popescu;a that's a problem 478556;1391529961;nubbins`;yep 478557;1391529963;nubbins`;it sure is. 478558;1391529969;mircea_popescu;you can get local strawberries here. now. 478559;1391529982;nubbins`;you can maybe get local squash here now 478560;1391529987;nubbins`;and some greens 478561;1391530020;mircea_popescu;anyway, bought a buncha smoked pork to hang in my attic... it's a pleasure 478562;1391530022;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 478563;1391530023;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1290 @ 0.000112 = 0.1445 BTC [-] 478564;1391530035;mircea_popescu;proper hand made pickles... 478565;1391530042;mircea_popescu;they don't do much pickling in canada do they 478566;1391530048;nubbins`;altho i did see a young couple walking two goats recently, so i suppose really it's more a question of motivation 478567;1391530064;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: mostly a lost art these days 478568;1391530077;mircea_popescu;well that sucks. colder climes need smoked meat and pickled veggies. 478569;1391530078;nubbins`;i know a few groups of hippies that do canning 478570;1391530083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+] 478571;1391530088;mircea_popescu;canning != pickling in any sense. 478572;1391530108;nubbins`;yeah, closest thing you'll find 478573;1391530110;mircea_popescu;small peppers stuffed with cabbage! cucumbers! beets! culiflower! 478574;1391530118;nubbins`;people don't really preserve things here as a general rule 478575;1391530131;mircea_popescu;there's at least a dozen different sorts of pickles i can't do without 478576;1391530133;nubbins`;probably because our parent's generation grew up on a steady diet of salt cod 478577;1391530141;BingoBoingo;When the frost came so many of the tomatos were still green that we pickled them as a relish. 478578;1391530142;nubbins`;and salt beef 478579;1391530150;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo good for you. 478580;1391530157;nubbins`;and were 100% turned on preserved foods by the time the big grocery chains moved in 478581;1391530162;mircea_popescu;nubbins` that's why it;'s better to make salt pickes and smoke the meats 478582;1391530166;mircea_popescu;than the other way around 478583;1391530185;nubbins`;actually, come to think of it, my mother loves pickled beets 478584;1391530189;mircea_popescu;you ever had sqaw candy ? 478585;1391530193;nubbins`;nah 478586;1391530196;mircea_popescu;well wtf. 478587;1391530204;nubbins`;what can i say, sheltered life 478588;1391530205;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1075 = 0.215 BTC [-] {2} 478589;1391530225;nubbins`;if you like pickled things, find a korean restaurant 478590;1391530232;Duffer1;squaw candy? 478591;1391530233;mircea_popescu;i dont like the way they pickle. 478592;1391530236;nubbins`;they are lords of fermenting and pickling 478593;1391530254;mircea_popescu;i'm romanian, stuff like this is like grounds for religious wars. 478594;1391530258;nubbins`;haha 478595;1391530266;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 478596;1391530273;mircea_popescu;as far as the romanian mother in low is concerned, the new wife can parade around naked stuffing pencils in her cunt all she wants 478597;1391530280;mircea_popescu;but god forbid the sits on the floor or messes up the pickles. 478598;1391530298;nubbins`;i do some dehydrating and keep a root cellar, grow some veggies in the warmer months 478599;1391530305;nubbins`;that's about the extent of it so far 478600;1391530320;mircea_popescu;if you have a root cellar you definitely can pickle cabage. 478601;1391530336;nubbins`;funny story, the root cellar is just the cupboards under the kitchen sink 478602;1391530341;nubbins`;i keep beer down there too 478603;1391530342;nubbins`;so cold 478604;1391530343;mircea_popescu;ah, too small. 478605;1391530364;nubbins`;could probably fit a couple heads. 478606;1391530371;nubbins`;not enough to ensure a constant supply 478607;1391530373;ThickAsThieves;our cleaning lady pickles 478608;1391530378;ThickAsThieves;she gives us some 478609;1391530379;mircea_popescu;nah, cause you need a 20+ gallon thing 478610;1391530385;nubbins`;ah, no chance 478611;1391530390;mircea_popescu;they don't work in any arbitrary volume 478612;1391530390;ThickAsThieves;pickled okra mostly 478613;1391530393;ThickAsThieves;bleh 478614;1391530397;nubbins`;i've also been making sourdough bread for about a year and a half now 478615;1391530402;Duffer1;oh man what a waste 478616;1391530404;mircea_popescu;that's nice. 478617;1391530407;nubbins`;i even have a subscription to Mother Earth News ;( 478618;1391530408;Duffer1;fry that ochra up 478619;1391530414;Duffer1;okra even 478620;1391530443;mircea_popescu;"ochra. for when you feel the urge to know what the texture of corpse cunt is like" 478621;1391530448;nubbins`;heh 478622;1391530455;nubbins`;the eventual goal is to become mostly self-sufficient 478623;1391530461;Duffer1;why you gotta ruin it for me :( 478624;1391530466;mircea_popescu;aww sorry. 478625;1391530469;nubbins`;hopefully should have the big strokes worked out in the next 4 or 5 years 478626;1391530483;ThickAsThieves;Bill Gates to 'substantially increase time' at Microsoft after stepping down as chairman 478627;1391530502;mircea_popescu;nubbins` try pickling sometime, get a large earthen jug, fill it with nice firm cabbage heads, add water and a lot of salt. 478628;1391530506;Duffer1;what's the plan for electricity nubs? 478629;1391530519;mircea_popescu;then after the first few weeks each coupla days go there and spend ~10-15 minutes blowing air into the vessel 478630;1391530530;mircea_popescu;in about 4-5-6 months it's done. you'll know by taste. 478631;1391530533;nubbins`;Duffer1, wind doesn't work too well here, not sure yet 478632;1391530538;mircea_popescu;should be kept ~5 degrees celsius. 478633;1391530540;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Prolly realizes he quit to early and that BASIC interpreter thing isn't a business anymore. 478634;1391530546;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: add some fish paste and chilies and you've got kimchi 478635;1391530560;mircea_popescu;nah, it's different i tel you 478636;1391530565;mircea_popescu;theirs is not aerated. 478637;1391530569;nubbins`;too true 478638;1391530571;nubbins`;they actually bury it 478639;1391530573;mircea_popescu;they fucking bury that shit 478640;1391530574;mircea_popescu;yes. 478641;1391530578;mircea_popescu;makes a huge difference 478642;1391530588;Duffer1;i'm down to 1.5 jars of gramma's pickled cucumbers. needs to last 6months 478643;1391530588;mircea_popescu;anyway, that cabbage juice resultant is by far the best hangover cure in the world. 478644;1391530589;nubbins`;the best kimchi is old kimchi, 1 year or more 478645;1391530590;mircea_popescu;by VERY far. 478646;1391530602;nubbins`;hm 478647;1391530605;nubbins`;you use round cabbage or chinese? 478648;1391530614;mircea_popescu;makes little difference, as ong as it's white. 478649;1391530618;nubbins`;sure 478650;1391530624;ThickAsThieves;http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/4/5374172/the-coin-prince-charlie-shrem-bitinstant-bitcoin-money-laundering-scandal 478651;1391530625;ozbot;The coin prince: inside Bitcoin's first big money-laundering scandal | The Verge 478652;1391530629;mircea_popescu;red cabbage doesn't work for some reason 478653;1391530632;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3297 @ 0.00012242 = 0.4036 BTC [+] {7} 478654;1391530633;nubbins`;i'll think on this, might be a nice experiment for the winter 478655;1391530635;ThickAsThieves;HD eyebrows! 478656;1391530640;mircea_popescu;nubbins` it's cheap to try, anyway. 478657;1391530644;nubbins`;nod 478658;1391530665;mircea_popescu;you may wish to add some flavourings. horseradish is big here. 478659;1391530669;ThickAsThieves;"Shrem is 5 feet 5 inches tall, full-bearded, and high-energy. He’s the kind of guy who likes to party and loves to organize events, but also goes to his parents’ house every Friday night for dinner. " 478660;1391530673;nubbins`;i do like spicy 478661;1391530674;Duffer1;lol tat 478662;1391530680;Duffer1;groucho returns 478663;1391530687;nubbins`;groucho, leeel 478664;1391530693;mircea_popescu;nubbins` can go 1 horseradish root per 2-3 heads. 478665;1391530710;nubbins`;ever tried ginger? 478666;1391530719;mircea_popescu;nope. 478667;1391530723;mircea_popescu;it may work tho. 478668;1391530729;Duffer1;pickled ginger? 478669;1391530737;ThickAsThieves;i love ginger so much 478670;1391530737;nubbins`;well that's what got me thinking 478671;1391530749;nubbins`;i've been making this ghanaian dish lately, groundnut soup 478672;1391530766;nubbins`;fish or chicken, tomato paste, unsweetened peanut butter, ginger, onion, peppers 478673;1391530775;lippoper;.bait is back baby! 478674;1391530776;nubbins`;sounds terrible, tastes amazing 478675;1391530776;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 478676;1391530777;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/b8aa5def221e2b21e2d7a711a74e48ac/tumblr_mr8cetdFmQ1sx6boao1_500.jpg 478677;1391530794;nubbins`;i'm actually still not sure why it tastes good 478678;1391530811;KRS-;Look, she is sitting on her face! 478679;1391530814;ThickAsThieves;well peanut butter and ginger are my two favorite flavors 478680;1391530819;KRS-;.bait 478681;1391530822;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/43c15ff5737a8aedae159754406e2856/tumblr_mos4eplTVO1qcezywo1_500.jpg 478682;1391530828;nubbins`;then you owe it to yourself to try groundnut soup 478683;1391530830;KRS-;lol fun 478684;1391530831;mircea_popescu;nubbins` also, bay leaf, pepper, lots of dill 478685;1391530833;mircea_popescu;depends on your taste. 478686;1391530840;ThickAsThieves;He was this plucky, short Jewish guy from Brooklyn who had computer skills and decided to start his own company, and he was living the Entourage life. I envied the kid up until a few days ago. 478687;1391530842;nubbins`;i'm a huge fan of bay leaf 478688;1391530849;nubbins`;every chili, every stew 478689;1391530855;nubbins`;can't abide dill tho 478690;1391530872;KRS-;Like Assburgers? http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/21021000/ngbbs4bc015a542b0c.jpg 478691;1391530894;ThickAsThieves;http://cdn2.sbnation.com/assets/3955753/shremleaves.jpg 478692;1391530901;ThickAsThieves;"Charlie Shrem, right, exits Manhattan federal court with an unidentified person on Monday, January 27th" 478693;1391530912;ThickAsThieves;unidentified 478694;1391530915;mircea_popescu;that's his dad 478695;1391530917;mircea_popescu;ain;'t it ?! 478696;1391530918;ThickAsThieves;how could it not be his dad 478697;1391530930;nubbins`;couldn't be his dad with that mouth 478698;1391530930;nubbins`;;p 478699;1391530937;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15499998 BTC [-] 478700;1391530948;nubbins`;maybe the purse threw them off 478701;1391530954;mircea_popescu;it's not a purse 478702;1391530958;mircea_popescu;it's panamanian. 478703;1391530961;ThickAsThieves;lol 478704;1391530964;nubbins`;heh 478705;1391530967;nubbins`;a purseboa 478706;1391531006;nubbins`;okay, time to run some errands 478707;1391531027;ThickAsThieves;He was released on house arrest after his parents put up their house as collateral. 478708;1391531120;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00092243 = 14.1132 BTC [+] 478709;1391531178;KRS-;A Fallen Angel. 478710;1391531319;mircea_popescu;"gee son, i hope all that pot herping you did was a lot of fun" 478711;1391531335;mircea_popescu;"cause i worked thirty years for this house" 478712;1391531425;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.24310363 = 1.2155 BTC 478713;1391531486;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.15749999 = 2.52 BTC [+] {4} 478714;1391531547;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.24310363 = 1.4586 BTC 478715;1391531549;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.17 = 0.51 BTC [+] 478716;1391531570;ThickAsThieves;;;estimate 478717;1391531571;gribble;Next difficulty estimate | 2605968722.74 based on data since last change | 2831748964.63 based on data for last three days 478718;1391531615;KRS-;ouch..amazing how parents blindly support their kids, even in hopeless situations. 478719;1391531615;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 478720;1391531659;KRS-;not that this is hopeless..isn't money laundering a hard conviction to get? 478721;1391531669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22577 @ 0.00092673 = 20.9228 BTC [+] 478722;1391531674;mircea_popescu;KRS- local joke : gypsy woman goes to her man with a very very filthy kid in tow 478723;1391531678;Duffer1;apparently they have his emails 478724;1391531682;mircea_popescu;"now what, do we wash this one or make another one?" 478725;1391531752;mircea_popescu;KRS- money laundering is an impossible conviction to get against the actual people who launder money, ie banks. any conviction is extremely easy to get against a redditard kid from brooklin and his goretex wearing father. 478726;1391532032;mike_c;ooh, nice coinroll ad on bitbet. 478727;1391532043;mike_c;does jurov control that yet? 478728;1391532064;jurov;yes i put the ad there 478729;1391532068;mircea_popescu;afaik it's scrat, namworld and jurov 478730;1391532070;jurov;but not full control yet 478731;1391532094;mike_c;planning any changes or you just going to run it better? 478732;1391532105;jurov;no. scrat and namworld are old owners and investors that are in search of a venue to IPO and get paid 478733;1391532116;jurov;and me and wao-ender are new owners 478734;1391532141;mike_c;interesting. good luck. 478735;1391532144;jurov;it's quite mess process, going on for 2 months, scrat was sick, etc. 478736;1391532158;mircea_popescu;well as long as it's fun. 478737;1391532168;jurov;indeed it;s fun :) 478738;1391532287;ThickAsThieves;for how long can we keep up 15%-20% diff increases? 478739;1391532299;ThickAsThieves;must be some kinda major limiting factor 478740;1391532345;ThickAsThieves;can hahsing increase 50x this year? 478741;1391532349;mircea_popescu;well... total electric energy output of earth is 478742;1391532350;jurov;it's price per transistor. dunno how far from that we are. 478743;1391532368;mircea_popescu;~150-200 P 478744;1391532371;mircea_popescu;PW/g 478745;1391532372;mircea_popescu;grr 478746;1391532375;mircea_popescu;~150-200 PW/h 478747;1391532404;jurov;admittedly, chumps may keep buying the transistor for several times more than mining reward 478748;1391532411;mircea_popescu;actually should i dig up the old discussion of that or were you around ? 478749;1391532412;jurov;*transistors 478750;1391532428;ThickAsThieves;i'm not sure, but i'm re-interested either way 478751;1391532442;jurov;i don't think we came up with any definite numbers 478752;1391532462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00092673 = 13.0669 BTC [+] 478753;1391532465;ThickAsThieves;mining is gonna be so centralized 478754;1391532470;mircea_popescu;yeah but we did some back of envelope shit 478755;1391532472;KRS-;mircea_popescu: haha funny..actually 2 jokes..local gypsys here are leaving. The county fair is wrapping up. Ya gotta love that food though. 478756;1391532509;ThickAsThieves;bitcoin is doomed 478757;1391532512;KRS-;I mean..who fries winkies? Oreo cookies? Who knew? 478758;1391532528;ThickAsThieves;fry all the things! 478759;1391532541;KRS-;ya think? 478760;1391532546;mircea_popescu;well i dunno where it is ;/ 478761;1391532626;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2013#259134 478762;1391532634;mircea_popescu;having helpers kicks ass. 478763;1391532647;ThickAsThieves;seems that maybe the bets regulation USG could do is require gov to run a mining farm 478764;1391532668;ThickAsThieves;best* 478765;1391532687;chetty;Sotomayor: Labeling Illegal Immigrants Criminals Is Insulting 478766;1391532719;ThickAsThieves;logic is so racist 478767;1391532725;mircea_popescu;chetty people do have a right to go wherever the fuck they please. 478768;1391532736;mircea_popescu;who gave obama a monopoly on the land between x and y ? 478769;1391532799;ThickAsThieves;[BTCTC] [TAT.MINIGAME] 2 @ 0.000269 = 0.0005 BTC [+] <<< good times 478770;1391532809;mircea_popescu;lol 478771;1391532815;chetty;not if they come to suck gubermint tits 478772;1391532817;mircea_popescu;!vwap s.mg 478773;1391532836;mircea_popescu;chetty gubermint has no right to have tits, nor does it have the right to use its tits as an excuse to bother people. 478774;1391532837;mircea_popescu;if it doesn 478775;1391532847;mircea_popescu;'t like its tits publicly handling it can go ahead and dress. 478776;1391532910;chetty;in a perfect world ... 478777;1391532912;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4933430#msg4933430 << look what you've motherfuckingly done. 478778;1391532933;mircea_popescu;just not lieing and not stealing, that's it. that's all. you don't even need an idea AT ALL. your chain can simply win because no premine and no schmooze. 478779;1391532941;mircea_popescu;fucking stealing the mp model. 478780;1391532945;mircea_popescu;DO YOU SEE HOW POWERFUL IT IS! 478781;1391533012;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 478782;1391533062;ThickAsThieves;yeesh 478783;1391533183;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4934547#msg4934547 478784;1391533194;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.70604072 BTC to 616 shares, 114617 satoshi per share 478785;1391533206;ThickAsThieves;i knew being a yogi berra fan would pay off one day 478786;1391533236;ThickAsThieves;maybe i should make a bot that combines yogi quotes with coelho lines 478787;1391533255;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] [PAID] 5.10400000 BTC to 7`975`000 shares, 64 satoshi per share 478788;1391533308;ThickAsThieves;"I want to thank you for making this day necessary." -- On Yogi Berra Appreciation Day in St. Louis in 1947. 478789;1391533366;ThickAsThieves;"You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you're going, because you might not get there." 478790;1391533441;ThickAsThieves;"It ain't the heat; it's the humility." 478791;1391533460;Dimsler__;is it pump up hour in here? 478792;1391533537;Dimsler__;ThickAsThieves, unless you're one of the top 100 wallet holders who really cares 478793;1391533600;mircea_popescu;Dimsler__ no pump-o. 478794;1391533613;mircea_popescu;this will become a standard disclaimer, like no homo. 478795;1391533620;Dimsler__;lol 478796;1391533647;ThickAsThieves; ThickAsThieves, unless you're one of the top 100 wallet holders who really cares <<<< i missed something? 478797;1391533673;ThickAsThieves;you mean top 100 bitcoin holders? ALT? 478798;1391533686;ThickAsThieves;what are we caring about? 478799;1391533698;Dimsler__;we are not caring 478800;1391533724;Duffer1;i'm more confused now than when you guys started your bit 478801;1391533728;Duffer1;are you doing a bit? 478802;1391533753;Duffer1;i feel like earl 478803;1391533762;ThickAsThieves;i dont do bits 478804;1391533770;ThickAsThieves;maybe a lil performance art here and there 478805;1391533774;mircea_popescu;we're doing just a little bit. but i was srs above. 478806;1391533821;mircea_popescu;anyway, straight man story : ThickAsThieves started a new altchain. for absolutely no reason. called a lark. 478807;1391533824;ThickAsThieves;basically, "If you aren't scamming us, than how will you make any money?!" 478808;1391533834;mircea_popescu;that alt chain got a lot of mining power behind it. 478809;1391533835;Dimsler__;lol 478810;1391533836;Dimsler__;lark 478811;1391533852;mircea_popescu;we're not actually pushing it, we're just lolling at it, observing it, thinking about it outloud. 478812;1391533853;mircea_popescu;s'all. 478813;1391533865;ThickAsThieves;i still dont own any 478814;1391533877;ThickAsThieves;dont think any miner has sold yet either 478815;1391533877;mircea_popescu;i think by now mpoe-pr owns more than me 478816;1391533878;Dimsler__;is it like dogecoin? 478817;1391533880;mircea_popescu;o wait! wow! 478818;1391533891;ThickAsThieves;oh you got some? 478819;1391533893;mircea_popescu;check this out tat : i am the one guy in the entire world who owns THE LEAST ATC. 478820;1391533896;Dimsler__;the USPS is gonne have its own alt currency soon 478821;1391533903;mircea_popescu;because you got 0 right ? and so do all those other guys 478822;1391533910;ThickAsThieves;lol 478823;1391533915;mircea_popescu;but i actually own -1, cause i owe 1 to either mike_c or vexual 478824;1391533923;ThickAsThieves;endorsed and coveted by mp himself, Altcoin 478825;1391533926;mike_c;vex, he paid me supposedly. 478826;1391533943;mircea_popescu;so i guess i'm shorting it, technically speaking 478827;1391533952;mircea_popescu;;;FUD ATC kthx. 478828;1391533952;gribble;Error: "FUD" is not a valid command. 478829;1391533955;ThickAsThieves;i'd buy some if people just made public prices 478830;1391533957;BingoBoingo;What's the difficulty on Alt anyway? 478831;1391533958;mircea_popescu;whoa that's a useless bot. 478832;1391533963;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo like 20k ? 478833;1391533997;mircea_popescu;MP, naked shorting alt since the week it was born! 478834;1391533998;ThickAsThieves;i guess bluematt scamme dme 478835;1391534009;ThickAsThieves;never got the source, even after he told me to pay to same addy 478836;1391534016;mircea_popescu;nowai 478837;1391534023;mircea_popescu;altchain born in scam and pain! 478838;1391534041;mircea_popescu;the only begotten altchain of teh lord to save our etc 478839;1391534049;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04954 = 0.9908 BTC [+] 478840;1391534074;BingoBoingo;LTC difficulty is only 2,820? To the hole with LTC! 478841;1391534086;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i say a lot of power, i mean a lot of power >D 478842;1391534109;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.1 = 0.6 BTC [-] 478843;1391534110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9198 @ 0.00092673 = 8.5241 BTC [+] 478844;1391534171;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.24310363 = 1.2155 BTC 478845;1391534242;mircea_popescu;"Well good morning there, Brittany. Are you ready for today's lesson?" 478846;1391534242;mircea_popescu;"Oh yes, Daddy! I can't wait to find out what you're going to do to me today!" 478847;1391534242;mircea_popescu;"That's a good girl. I love your enthusiasm. You made Daddy so proud when you came to me on your 18th Birthday a few weeks ago and said you wanted to work at my whorehouse just like your mother and your older sisters. 478848;1391534250;mircea_popescu;dude why is fanfic so incredibly bad. 478849;1391534278;BingoBoingo;Imma have to write and Altcoin post. Much hash. So Meta. Very Unmeme. 478850;1391534285;mircea_popescu;this guy's premise is that some dood's systematically whoring his family, and the only way he can think to introduce that premise is a Mr Exposition chorus ?! 478851;1391534287;ThickAsThieves;i have this runt cat, that never fully grew, but somehow she always finds her way to the highest places. when she gets there she lets out these little miniature roars 478852;1391534295;mircea_popescu;hahaha 478853;1391534306;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves is that a yogi coelho quote ? 478854;1391534333;ThickAsThieves;the cat thing? that's real 478855;1391534348;mircea_popescu;pretty adorkable. 478856;1391534362;ThickAsThieves;i need to record it 478857;1391534419;ThickAsThieves;by this point no one knows when i'm joking or just dumb 478858;1391534443;ThickAsThieves;cue dub/kako saying i'm always dumb 478859;1391534475;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [-] 478860;1391534570;ThickAsThieves;does bluematt haz wot? 478861;1391534577;ThickAsThieves;i might have to dig up my key for this 478862;1391534625;ThickAsThieves;no wait, the proper thing to do is start a reddit thread, right? 478863;1391534632;ThickAsThieves;Coingen.io is Scam! 478864;1391534781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00092673 = 9.3136 BTC [+] 478865;1391534963;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC 478866;1391535024;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.00565828 = 0.1754 BTC [-] {4} 478867;1391535147;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1197 @ 0.00012943 = 0.1549 BTC [+] {2} 478868;1391535268;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07810003 = 0.3905 BTC [-] {3} 478869;1391535330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25393 @ 0.00092673 = 23.5325 BTC [+] 478870;1391535452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37050 @ 0.00092461 = 34.2568 BTC [-] {3} 478871;1391535524;pankkake;http://www.coinmakerbot.com/ lol 478872;1391535533;pankkake;"pre-mine consulting and strategy" 478873;1391535582;davout;it lacks the cryptsy-plugin generator 478874;1391535600;BingoBoingo;I doubt many new alts will go further than RIPple's greatest innovation whereby all coins were premined. 478875;1391535617;pankkake;NXT did it, and called it innovative 478876;1391535695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00092817 = 28.1236 BTC [+] {3} 478877;1391535739;ThickAsThieves;web designers new bastion, altcoin marketing agency 478878;1391535751;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo doge just did it a coupla days ago. 478879;1391535764;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves he does indeed. 478880;1391535772;mircea_popescu;tbh i'd be very surprised if in fact he's scamming you. 478881;1391535791;ThickAsThieves;so i'm not supposed to overreact when people dont do things right away for me? 478882;1391535809;mircea_popescu;;;later tell benkay http://www.coinmakerbot.com/ 478883;1391535809;gribble;The operation succeeded. 478884;1391535848;ThickAsThieves;pankakke, are you interested in helping create the source? or at least dumping the genblock? 478885;1391535857;ThickAsThieves;bounty available if needed 478886;1391535869;mircea_popescu;you can dumb the genblock just by quering the altcoind 478887;1391535872;mike_c;how you going to bounty with no ATC? 478888;1391535876;mircea_popescu;mwahaha 478889;1391535898;ThickAsThieves;i'll get the forum to pay for it 478890;1391535916;pankkake;ThickAsThieves: I was going to reply on the thread… I'm not sure I can do it 478891;1391535922;ThickAsThieves;crap 478892;1391535939;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 478893;1391535944;ThickAsThieves;even if you have a different coingen'd source package to work from? 478894;1391535984;mircea_popescu;who's unbalanced on the forum ? 478895;1391536010;pankkake;a coingen sha256 would be a good base, at least I can replace the coin name :p 478896;1391536022;mircea_popescu;lolz 478897;1391536025;ThickAsThieves;sock of someone here 478898;1391536031;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves yes but who./ 478899;1391536057;ThickAsThieves;one of these D**** handles maybe 478900;1391536061;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 478901;1391536070;ThickAsThieves;Duffer, Dimsler 478902;1391536081;Duffer1;not i 478903;1391536081;ThickAsThieves;maybe Van Cleef 478904;1391536084;ThickAsThieves;who knows anymor 478905;1391536099;pankkake;I think he goes by unbalanced here too. we're in a lentghty e-mail conversation 478906;1391536106;pankkake;he must be a lurker 478907;1391536111;mircea_popescu;oic. 478908;1391536118;wao-ender;lol, havellock is trying to do marketing with b.exch? 478909;1391536155;ThickAsThieves; a coingen sha256 would be a good base, at least I can replace the coin name :p <<< but really, if it is useful, surely one of the packages for download is that http://coingen.io/status.html 478910;1391536163;ThickAsThieves;the ones with source are bigger zips 478911;1391536171;ThickAsThieves;26mb vs 50+ 478912;1391536182;ThickAsThieves;i downloaded some at random 478913;1391536192;ThickAsThieves;not sure how to tell if sha256 478914;1391536204;mircea_popescu;lmao this guy sounds like a bitcoin ceo. 478915;1391536264;ThickAsThieves;i'm a hacker now too! 478916;1391536284;mircea_popescu;+ css experience. 478917;1391536305;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2032 @ 0.00092905 = 1.8878 BTC [+] 478918;1391536306;ThickAsThieves;i dont actually make the CSS, just pictures of what it should look like 478919;1391536315;mircea_popescu;obviosuly. 478920;1391536335;ThickAsThieves;but ive hacked a style or two in my day 478921;1391536337;ThickAsThieves;hehe 478922;1391536341;mircea_popescu;thats something they could have had in idiocracy 478923;1391536350;mircea_popescu;instead of ppl ordering ? they napkin-doodle what they want 478924;1391536355;mircea_popescu;then argue about getting the wrong thing 478925;1391536418;jurov;did you make a picture css of neobee building too? 478926;1391536418;pankkake;feature request for altgen.io: create github repo :) 478927;1391536418;pankkake;oh coingen ships with a .git in it. good 478928;1391536467;ThickAsThieves;i dont do 3d rendering, too tedious 478929;1391536471;ThickAsThieves;same reason i dont code 478930;1391536477;ThickAsThieves;my attention doesnt work that way 478931;1391536485;pankkake;oh good at least I see that the pzsTimestamp is the same as Bitcoin 478932;1391536488;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0495399 = 0.4954 BTC [-] 478933;1391536533;pankkake;however it changes "pchMessageStart" and I have no idea what it is :( 478934;1391536539;ThickAsThieves;i didnt mind HTML class, but once i got to javascript class, i was like fuck this bullshit 478935;1391536575;mike_c;lexical clojure is a pain 478936;1391536645;pankkake;ok well, either I'll have the source tonight or in a few days 478937;1391536655;mircea_popescu;2 weeks tops. 478938;1391536724;ThickAsThieves;if it helps, Altcoin should be 512 Block Rate, 512 block value, 262144 halving, 268435456 total coins 478939;1391536726;BingoBoingo;feature request for altgen.io -> Moar hashing algorithms. At a minimum MD4 478940;1391536733;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 478941;1391536747;ThickAsThieves;altgen.io would have an endless todo list 478942;1391536761;jurov;http://falkvinge.net/2014/02/04/major-bitcoin-exchange-not-executing-withdrawals-now-owes-clients-38m-in-disappeared-money/ 478943;1391536764;pankkake;BingoBoingo: quite annoying as you have to manage the pools too 478944;1391536771;jurov;soo, gox pulled weexchange 478945;1391536781;ThickAsThieves;? 478946;1391536805;ThickAsThieves;you may take 6%? 478947;1391536831;jurov;i mean, ukyo hints to some btc transactions corrupted by bitcoind 478948;1391536835;jurov;too 478949;1391536839;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that part shouldn't be too hard. 478950;1391536847;jurov;that cnnot be disclosed 478951;1391536899;BingoBoingo;pankkake: A plus of MD4 coin is you can pretty much instamine and them market make. Click post on the forum to make the thread. Then start your miner then... Profit! Chain mined before the thread gets a reply. 478952;1391536925;pankkake;you can instamine anything as long as the difficulty is low, or diff adjustment is bad 478953;1391536936;pankkake;which is the case for coingen, btw :) 478954;1391536939;mircea_popescu;or you announce it for tuesday and start sunday 478955;1391536948;mircea_popescu;then go "o oops, what you mean we said we'll turn off miners ?!?!" 478956;1391536956;pankkake;it is usually caught 478957;1391536979;pankkake;though of course it's scammers scamming scammers, and might not matter in the end 478958;1391536989;jurov;wouldn't you hit the maximal possible difficulty quickly with md4? 478959;1391537013;jurov;i.e. to make exact hash for the block 478960;1391537017;BingoBoingo;jurov: That's the point 478961;1391537029;pankkake;lol 478962;1391537197;jurov;what about using rot13 then? 478963;1391537220;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 323 @ 0.002984 = 0.9638 BTC [+] {2} 478964;1391537254;mircea_popescu;lmao 478965;1391537269;BingoBoingo;jurov: Sure Rot13 where the alphabet consists entirely of Zeros might be prefect. 478966;1391537272;mircea_popescu;the future of cryptography as seen @nsa, microsoft, etc : rot13 chain! 478967;1391537303;the20year1;Making good progress with havelock 478968;1391537326;mike_c;i thought listing was yesterday? 478969;1391537402;BingoBoingo;Transactions from addresses are also signed by private keys which are also the addresses. Basically the same way credit cards work in the US, what could go wrong? 478970;1391537489;mircea_popescu;hahaha 478971;1391537492;mircea_popescu;it's so true tho. 478972;1391537523;mircea_popescu;"could we have the last 4 digits of your address which is also your private key ? don't worry, we'll keep the rest secret nothing could possibly go wrong" 478973;1391537525;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1500 @ 0.002985 = 4.4775 BTC [+] 478974;1391537543;BingoBoingo;This tool only goes up to 2006 as far as widely known collision attacks http://www.bishopfox.com/resources/tools/other-free-tools/md4md5-collision-code/ 478975;1391537550;mircea_popescu;https://medium.com/cyber-security/24eb09e026dd 478976;1391537564;mircea_popescu;i dun recall who originally posted that coupla days back 478977;1391537586;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1105 @ 0.002986 = 3.2995 BTC [+] 478978;1391537599;kakobrekla;was " leerochardson" on this chan? 478979;1391537604;kakobrekla;in last couple of hrs 478980;1391537683;mircea_popescu;nop 478981;1391537762;mircea_popescu;http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/01/how-i-almost-lost-my-500000-twitter-username-jb-and-my-startup/ 478982;1391537775;mircea_popescu;this has a lot of implications for noob bitcoin devs btw 478983;1391537783;mircea_popescu;The scary thing was that I only thought of the true implications of this attack days later. As I was contemplating what had happened and how I could prevent it in the future, a very frightening thought occurred to me. This attacker started with Amazon because he knew that a commerce shopping sites customer support would be relatively easy to convince and use to gain access to my account. However, that same site offe 478984;1391537783;mircea_popescu;rs cloud services that many startups rely on to host their data. My startup, Droplr, is completely based on Amazons stack, from using EC2 servers where we host all of our technology to S3, which we use for file storage. This attacker had access to all of it. I was extremely lucky that in his rush to gain access to @jb, he didnt think to check if my account had anything under AWS. 478985;1391537941;ThickAsThieves;also good advice to not use your custom google apps domain email for registrations 478986;1391538087;jurov;as if normaln gmail would be harder to pwn 478987;1391538136;ThickAsThieves;no customer service reps for free Google Apps accounts 478988;1391538136;ThickAsThieves;hehe 478989;1391538142;ThickAsThieves;its a security feature! 478990;1391538189;mircea_popescu;this entire "cumstomer service" bs needs to go away. 478991;1391538190;Duffer1;companies need to start investing in MPOE-PR brand customer relations 478992;1391538194;mircea_popescu;you lost your password ? FUCK YOU. 478993;1391538196;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4022 @ 0.00092764 = 3.731 BTC [-] 478994;1391538196;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.14999999 = 0.3 BTC [-] 478995;1391538215;davout;lol, where do i sign? 478996;1391538220;mike_c;mircea_popescu: have you ever helped someone who lost their mpex key? 478997;1391538227;mike_c;i bet you have 478998;1391538237;mircea_popescu;i have not. 478999;1391538239;Duffer1;has anyone ever lost a key? 479000;1391538265;mircea_popescu;at least a coupla people. 479001;1391538283;mike_c;that's a tough line to hold. it will be interesting if you can keep that up. 479002;1391538304;mircea_popescu;happens to be the correct line to hold, so... whatever, they'll have to get it out of my cold dead hands. 479003;1391538309;mike_c;hehe 479004;1391538380;mircea_popescu;not everything is a brothel. 479005;1391538389;mike_c;i would like to be able to use mpex with keys that i sign from my master key that i've registered with you. then i could use cardano with it. 479006;1391538391;mircea_popescu;imagine if hospitals were run on the principle of whether the customer was happy. 479007;1391538416;jurov;oh, they aren't? 479008;1391538437;mircea_popescu;well ideally i should hope not, or else wtf, "which pill would you like to take today, mr j" 479009;1391538445;jurov;they give you antibitics not cuz you need them, but to make you happy 479010;1391538445;mircea_popescu;"take the ugly pill and shut up" 479011;1391538465;mircea_popescu;there you go breaking my eastern bloc ideals. 479012;1391538532;mircea_popescu;mike_c if you're really paranoid you can locally generate and sign pushes after each stat. 479013;1391538540;mircea_popescu;that way, even if you lose your key you can wipe your account for later. 479014;1391538550;mircea_popescu;and it's better in that i don't even need to verify anything. 479015;1391538581;mike_c;hm, that's interesting. i'll have to build that into pympex v2 479016;1391538591;mircea_popescu;do you understand the model i mean ? 479017;1391538595;mike_c;yeah 479018;1391538609;mircea_popescu;like you now use key a, and spare is key b. after each stat for each asset push x to b signed and stored. 479019;1391538611;mircea_popescu;yeah 479020;1391538628;davout;why after each stat? 479021;1391538630;mircea_popescu;you can store the stuff as a list encrypted to b 479022;1391538641;mike_c;after each stat so you push all your assets (which changes..) 479023;1391538642;davout;why not once for each asset with some high value 479024;1391538642;mircea_popescu;davout well that's the point where you find what assets you have. 479025;1391538670;davout;just make a stat per asset, and add pushes as assets are added to mpex 479026;1391538677;davout;sorry a push per asset 479027;1391538681;mircea_popescu;you gotta specify qty 479028;1391538712;jurov;if qty is 99999999, it won't work? 479029;1391538713;davout;can't you say a bazillion and it takes the min from the qty and your holdings? 479030;1391538730;mircea_popescu;afaik if you don't have the right qty it tells you to fuck off. 479031;1391538745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00092768 = 7.3287 BTC [+] 479032;1391538757;jurov;D: 479033;1391538829;jurov;one can make signed pushes for qty 1,2,4,8,16,32,... 479034;1391538836;jurov;and apply them from highest one 479035;1391538838;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 479036;1391538869;jurov;but orders must be taken from stat anyway 479037;1391538874;mike_c;that's not a bad backup too. sign those and bury them in the garden 479038;1391538890;mircea_popescu;anyway, careful with that axe eugene 479039;1391538921;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/a071befa146f7fb3e5334746505350a5/tumblr_mgnbxfHAj91ru15g3o1_1280.jpg << this is the czech republic isn't it 479040;1391538972;jurov;can be. plenty karosa buses here, too 479041;1391539001;jurov;mircea how would you go about backing up keys from airgapped machine? 479042;1391539008;jurov;if you were mpex customer 479043;1391539036;mircea_popescu;you can take them to another airgapped machine 479044;1391539075;jurov;and that machine to safe? 479045;1391539092;mircea_popescu;well to wherever you keep your backups 479046;1391539111;mircea_popescu;two machines connecting is no threat to either's airgap, provided the other's not going online 479047;1391539115;mircea_popescu;think of this as if it were sex 479048;1391539117;mircea_popescu;which it is. 479049;1391539135;jurov;lol i keep backups all around, under strong passphrase 479050;1391539180;mircea_popescu;do you have a slovenian dicelist ? 479051;1391539188;jurov;i made one 479052;1391539196;jurov;from various sources 479053;1391539212;mircea_popescu;so turn the privkey into a diced novella, print it, keep it around. w/e. 479054;1391539229;jurov;haha 479055;1391539245;wao-ender;:D 479056;1391539255;mircea_popescu;people'd be like "wtf does He foot dog went backwards air eloped mystical donglebunch." ?!?!?! 479057;1391539294;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40428 @ 0.0009255 = 37.4161 BTC [-] {4} 479058;1391539388;wao-ender;I was always thinking about it like, if computer catn decipher it, humans need to use inteligence 479059;1391539392;nubbins`;smh. phone is NINE DAYS out of warranty and won't charge, carrier tells me to PFO 479060;1391539410;nubbins`;10/10, would do business with again 479061;1391539443;wao-ender;next time u will buy extended warranty 479062;1391539455;Duffer1;planned obsolescence is pretty annoying 479063;1391539456;ThickAsThieves;so it will last longer 479064;1391539463;nubbins`;wao-ender: no i won't 479065;1391539474;mircea_popescu;and this is why i buy old models intended for the african market. 479066;1391539487;ThickAsThieves;so you can mpesa? 479067;1391539489;wao-ender;extended warranty is neat marketing, like with insurrance for 60years. 479068;1391539491;mircea_popescu;my ten year old non-gps phone without special sounds or bs charges just fine 479069;1391539516;mircea_popescu;omfg this is mpiright infringement! 479070;1391539523;nubbins`;in fairness, they did say i could order a replacement for only $269.99999999 479071;1391539527;nubbins`;;( 479072;1391539547;nubbins`;i'll get what i want, just annoying because it takes so long 479073;1391539562;wao-ender;order chinese one. 479074;1391539573;wao-ender;im ok with my asian phone 479075;1391539577;wao-ender;non western brand 479076;1391539578;nubbins`;this IS a chinese one. 479077;1391539584;nubbins`;oh, brand. n/m. 479078;1391539594;wao-ender;hope not ZTE.. 479079;1391539597;nubbins`;apple 479080;1391539606;wao-ender;hah 479081;1391539613;wao-ender;or aple. 479082;1391539621;nubbins`;honestly the worst part is the hold music 479083;1391539655;wao-ender;just listen world around you 479084;1391539715;nubbins`;apple phone support has looked up my info and suddenly has no problems with a free replacement 479085;1391539747;mircea_popescu;that means they've raped you for over 9000 in the past. 479086;1391539748;nubbins`;"oh shit, this is the guy who only good things happen to" 479087;1391539771;nubbins`;mp, about 4k 479088;1391539799;nubbins`;plus a few years of dev access 479089;1391539810;mircea_popescu;so over 9k 479090;1391539829;nubbins`;$99/yr! 479091;1391539857;nubbins`;i think you just wanted to say OVER 9000 479092;1391539857;mircea_popescu;fun fact : the marginal cost for an extra girl is about 4k/yr for me atm. 479093;1391539889;wao-ender;lol 479094;1391539922;wao-ender;does age weight the price? 479095;1391539959;mircea_popescu;it's cost not price. 479096;1391539974;mircea_popescu;like, you gotta feed her, house her, maybe even clothe her, at least after a few months. 479097;1391539994;wao-ender;I prefer naked ones 479098;1391540002;pankkake;clothes can be fun 479099;1391540008;mircea_popescu;and a treat. 479100;1391540014;mircea_popescu;besides. corsets. garters. 479101;1391540018;wao-ender;maybe s&m clothes 479102;1391540024;mircea_popescu;high heels. nipple shields. 479103;1391540025;pankkake;butt plugs are clothes too 479104;1391540027;mircea_popescu;there's plenty to do. 479105;1391540066;nubbins`;okay, done! 479106;1391540073;nubbins`;they're mailing me a box 479107;1391540079;nubbins`;(which i always find amusing) 479108;1391540283;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: actually, i don't think i can even qualify my treatment as sexual harassment, let alone rape 479109;1391540296;mircea_popescu;wait, treatment by whom 479110;1391540299;nubbins`;apple 479111;1391540320;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2014#479085 479112;1391540323;mircea_popescu;nm what you say. i'm the feminist here. 479113;1391540332;mircea_popescu;and you'll be liberated willing or unwilling! 479114;1391540333;nubbins`;my sides, etc 479115;1391540576;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+] 479116;1391540608;nubbins`;b.mine, b.sell, b.lel 479117;1391540627;kakobrekla;you b.mine and ill b.yours 479118;1391540636;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+] 479119;1391540657;nubbins`;b.srs ;( 479120;1391540662;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/1fa720b5fff90a1e7cbc058c22223aea/tumblr_mgegn4TAs81ru15g3o1_1280.jpg 479121;1391540665;mircea_popescu;regulation boots. 479122;1391540667;nubbins`;don't b.likethat 479123;1391540679;mircea_popescu;i mean b.oots. 479124;1391540790;mircea_popescu;lol ThickAsThieves you should have ofered 404 satoshi :D 479125;1391540880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00092024 = 9.2944 BTC [-] 479126;1391540947;the20year1;mike_c: that's what the rep i was talking to said 479127;1391540956;the20year1;Technically i think we're live now, but not listed on the sidebar 479128;1391540962;mike_c;symbol? 479129;1391541011;ThickAsThieves;you cant see unpublic symbols without special permission 479130;1391541024;mike_c;do you have special permission? 479131;1391541025;ThickAsThieves;admin can give permission to any account tho 479132;1391541039;ThickAsThieves;ie the20year could show you 479133;1391541051;ThickAsThieves;but whats the point 479134;1391541053;ThickAsThieves;just wait 479135;1391541064;mike_c;no point. i was just wondering if it was up. 479136;1391541078;ThickAsThieves;oh, i cant see it either 479137;1391541094;ThickAsThieves;special permission only giveable by HL and issuer 479138;1391541142;mike_c;any particular reason you only PT'd s.mg? 479139;1391541188;pankkake;at the time there were many passthroughs elsewhere? 479140;1391541225;mike_c;i guess the volume is so small it's not even worth the headache. 479141;1391541247;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.080004 = 0.4 BTC [+] {3} 479142;1391541257;ThickAsThieves;you mean why didnt i also make MPOE and BBET? 479143;1391541265;mike_c;yeah 479144;1391541271;ThickAsThieves;a few reasons 479145;1391541283;ThickAsThieves;mostly revolving around volume 479146;1391541297;ThickAsThieves;there are fees to carry a listing 479147;1391541307;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1620 @ 0.00012985 = 0.2104 BTC [+] 479148;1391541309;mike_c;ah. ongoing fees. 479149;1391541328;ThickAsThieves;this led me to considering a MPEX4 or such 479150;1391541336;ThickAsThieves;basket 479151;1391541352;mike_c;index fund. i like that idea in general. 479152;1391541363;ThickAsThieves;but then I dont actually have supply of shares to share 479153;1391541368;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00565801 = 0.1245 BTC [-] {2} 479154;1391541383;ThickAsThieves;mpex already has a broker anyway 479155;1391541404;mike_c;yeah, but seems there is value to managing the index fund instead of having to do it yourself. 479156;1391541426;ThickAsThieves;too much work for too little reward 479157;1391541429;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 178 @ 0.00080556 = 0.1434 BTC [-] {9} 479158;1391541490;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 479159;1391541513;ThickAsThieves;basically, BTC going to 1000, combined with BTCT and BF dying, killed a lot of the market 479160;1391541534;Dimsler__;whast btct again? 479161;1391541545;ThickAsThieves;Excel for Shares 479162;1391541548;Dimsler__;ohh the other one 479163;1391541551;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012098 = 0.121 BTC [-] {7} 479164;1391541563;Dimsler__;funny 479165;1391541571;Dimsler__;cause btct was the only legit one 479166;1391541595;Duffer1;it was so legit it got shut down before the other 479167;1391541614;Dimsler__;well havelock is a pure boiler room 479168;1391541619;Dimsler__;filled with bs overvalued companies 479169;1391541635;ThickAsThieves;so legit that I had the only security on BTCT with a 0 score 479170;1391541647;Dimsler__;mmmhm 479171;1391541735;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00564219 = 0.5642 BTC [-] {3} 479172;1391541751;ThickAsThieves;hehe you still cant view btct.co market page without accepting "fantasy" disclaimer 479173;1391541771;mike_c;they have to keep that in the code for when they sell it 479174;1391541794;ThickAsThieves;lol 479175;1391541795;mircea_popescu; cause btct was the only legit one <<< so they said. 479176;1391541799;Dimsler__;lol 479177;1391541819;nubbins`;okay, so 479178;1391541822;mircea_popescu;in the end, same story as their mother : -50% in half a year. 479179;1391541824;nubbins`;remember earlier how my phone was broken? 479180;1391541829;mircea_popescu;nope 479181;1391541835;nubbins`;heh, eat a dick 479182;1391541838;ThickAsThieves;BTCT had a buyer, and I emphatically told Burnsy TAKE THE MONEY NOW 479183;1391541840;mircea_popescu;are you going to sell a spare charger now ? 479184;1391541844;nubbins`;nope 479185;1391541844;Dimsler__;i've lived through the NY / TSX boiler rooms, can easily spot all of them 479186;1391541847;ThickAsThieves;last I heard he was still holding out 479187;1391541851;ThickAsThieves;for better offer 479188;1391541856;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00091996 = 22.263 BTC [-] {3} 479189;1391541858;nubbins`;i just cleaned a massive amount of impacted lint out of the jack 479190;1391541863;nubbins`;and now it charges just fine. 479191;1391541864;Dimsler__;majority of the younger bitcoin nerds have no idea about financials 479192;1391541868;Dimsler__;or trading 479193;1391541869;mircea_popescu;burnside knows better than anyone, he's an ex car mechanic or w/e, so it's to be understood. 479194;1391541888;Dimsler__;yeah and roger ver was a fireworks salesman 479195;1391541895;Dimsler__;and you are the romanian John Smith 479196;1391541899;ThickAsThieves;I wonder if burnsy is still lurking 479197;1391541914;nubbins`;so i guess i'll be a joke at whatever call center "allegra" works at 479198;1391541927;Dimsler__;ideaoligist get butchered 479199;1391541928;mircea_popescu;cs chick's name actually listed as "allegra" ?! 479200;1391541939;ThickAsThieves;can I be the Portuguese Vasco da Gama 479201;1391541953;mircea_popescu;they're not even trying anymore, naming these is like namig cars. 479202;1391541965;mircea_popescu;please wait while you're being serviced by concorda 479203;1391542001;ThickAsThieves;This is Enron speaking, how may I help you? 479204;1391542010;Duffer1;ha 479205;1391542011;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: srsly, Sierra transferred me to Allegra 479206;1391542019;nubbins`;i started to suspect i was being had 479207;1391542019;mircea_popescu;should be like... integra. honesta. valua. 479208;1391542030;nubbins`;hope 479209;1391542047;mircea_popescu;"o hey valua... wanna go for drnks ? i'll buy you all the khalua you can put away" 479210;1391542056;ThickAsThieves;Fairness Commonsworth 479211;1391542076;mircea_popescu;imagine if the original inglebert humperdinck was trying to get hired. 479212;1391542084;ThickAsThieves;better than Catness at least 479213;1391542100;mircea_popescu;Kittah 479214;1391542105;nubbins`;"inglebert speaking, can i help you 479215;1391542117;mircea_popescu;actually i guess there's two clear sets of female made-up names : the stripper type and the customer service rep type 479216;1391542139;mircea_popescu;tho i seem to recall a vegas sierra chick. 479217;1391542158;nubbins`;i'm amazed both at how much lint was in there, as well as my failure to remove it before driving all around the city and waiting on hold for 20 minutes 479218;1391542172;nubbins`;sierra just reminds me of video games 479219;1391542189;ThickAsThieves;and me of beer 479220;1391542201;ThickAsThieves;poor mountain range 479221;1391542210;ThickAsThieves;it needs a better logo i guess 479222;1391542244;nubbins`;don't we all 479223;1391542249;ThickAsThieves;"I would be willing to sell ATC for AM100." 479224;1391542254;ThickAsThieves;wtf is wrong with these people 479225;1391542265;nubbins`;hahahahaha 479226;1391542276;nubbins`;flailing around in a soup of words and ideas 479227;1391542299;nubbins`;"will trade life preserver for large bag of cereal or nvidia graphics card" 479228;1391542302;Duffer1;how much was burns offered? 479229;1391542313;ThickAsThieves;i forget, likely 200btc range 479230;1391542334;ThickAsThieves;but i dunno what's made up and what's real anymore 479231;1391542335;ThickAsThieves;soooo 479232;1391542364;nubbins`;kraken still hasn't verified my totally fabricated personal info 479233;1391542367;the20year1;sierra the game company? 479234;1391542369;nubbins`;shoulda called it slacken 479235;1391542373;nubbins`;the20year1, yep 479236;1391542398;the20year1;I miss a10 2, betrayl at krondor and aces of the deep 479237;1391542501;nubbins`;* quest and the incredible machine here 479238;1391542512;nubbins`;TIM really stands the test of time 479239;1391542561;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348468.msg4936040#msg4936040 Ken let's one of his socks slip 479240;1391542571;dub;allegra's real name is kumarapatayafackalukoa zing 479241;1391542577;ThickAsThieves;"Just to clarify - Ken is regaining ACtM monies not his personal BTC. The 106BTC has been taken off our balance sheet" 479242;1391542584;ThickAsThieves;our 479243;1391542600;ThickAsThieves;or is this just another "we" as in being a part of something 479244;1391542621;ThickAsThieves;"My only advice is to buy some of these shares at 0.0005" 479245;1391542623;ThickAsThieves;lol 479246;1391542644;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves anyway, if it makes you feel any better, burnside's "buyer" was more fluff than anything. 479247;1391542647;nubbins`;it's amazing that bitcoin caught on at all with the amount of fail permeating every aspect of it 479248;1391542647;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 479249;1391542651;nubbins`;makes me want to divest 479250;1391542656;the20year1;burnside's buyer for btct? 479251;1391542669;ThickAsThieves;mp you are likely correct 479252;1391542669;mircea_popescu;nubbins` the relationship is inverse. bitcoin is backed by fail and drama. and butthurt. 479253;1391542671;the20year1;I know for a fact my brother made him an offer 479254;1391542672;dub;s/every aspect/the same tardcircle 479255;1391542695;mircea_popescu;dub has it. 479256;1391542706;ThickAsThieves;I relayed an offer, which was too low cuz not 200 479257;1391542708;mircea_popescu;basically... it's strateman fucking up bitcoinica and tux fucking up mtgox 479258;1391542710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36686 @ 0.00092067 = 33.7757 BTC [+] {2} 479259;1391542710;nubbins`;yeah, that's valid 479260;1391542713;mircea_popescu;then both denying it and hiring each other 479261;1391542720;mircea_popescu;then denying it and starting a "foundation" 479262;1391542730;mircea_popescu;which fucks up and they deny and so on and on. it's pretty much one group of idiots. 479263;1391542739;mircea_popescu;which everyone mostly ignores by now anyways. 479264;1391542767;ThickAsThieves;dogecoin really gave us a little break time 479265;1391542793;mircea_popescu;and thankful we r. 479266;1391542798;nubbins`;dogecoin would make me weep, were it not for the endless lels 479267;1391542812;mircea_popescu;leltears are legitimate tears. 479268;1391542824;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wyw6y/why_are_we_supposed_to_take_this_with_a_smile/ 479269;1391542842;nubbins`;mp, my grin is so wide that it squeezes my tear ducts shut. 479270;1391542846;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-january-2014-statement/ btw 479271;1391542856;nubbins`;It's almost a regular occurrence now where a dogecoin proponent will make a post here proclaiming his or her disgust at how terrible a community we are, how we're all a bunch of greedy jerks, and that we're not as friendly as helpful and all-around-amazing as dogecoiners. 479272;1391542856;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 479273;1391542856;nubbins`;Does anyone not see the contradiction in this behavior? The louder and more strident these proclamations become, the more they demonstrate the opposite of their claims. 479274;1391542858;kakobrekla;aha aha 479275;1391542880;nubbins`;i might as well just have my sides surgically removed 479276;1391542894;mircea_popescu;lol reddit degenerating into all around bitchfest ? 479277;1391542898;nubbins`;yeah 479278;1391542908;nubbins`;some srs hate flowing between /r/bitcoin and /r/dogecoin 479279;1391542911;mircea_popescu;who could have foreseen this. 479280;1391542921;nubbins`;general consensus is that btc isn't fun enough 479281;1391542941;wao-ender;v0v https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtYOZRarQDs 479282;1391542941;mircea_popescu;They are only assholes to new people, not people that know all about bitcoin. My first experience with bitcoin users was asking them how do I buy it. The answers I got was "its so easy! How do you not know? You are stupid, its so simple" And lets not forget my favorite one..."If you don't know how to buy it, you shouldn't be buying it" For a new person to crypto, its basically like going into a restaurant with really r 479283;1391542941;mircea_popescu;eally good food and the waiters are only being nice to and serving their friends and the regular customers. If you've never eaten there, they wont even seat you. Basically ensuring that new customers never come back, and I promise you, there is a lot of money out there that never got to buy bitcoin because of these assholes. 479284;1391542943;ThickAsThieves;it's our first World War 479285;1391542945;mircea_popescu;dude this is so perfect. 479286;1391542951;ThickAsThieves;The doge army attacks 479287;1391542953;mircea_popescu;if this is in fact the experience bitcoin delivers i have won. 479288;1391542954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00091882 = 13.1851 BTC [-] {3} 479289;1391542959;nubbins`;"I think the dogecoiners protest too much, and that they are in fact the opposite of what they claim. We shouldn't put up with it and I'm glad we have moderators who delete those threads." 479290;1391542963;pankkake;bernankoin welcomes dogefugees 479291;1391542994;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: does he realize, i wonder, that the tables in that restaurant are already all taken? 479292;1391543001;mircea_popescu;pankkake i doubt you can inflate enough to keep up with the doge ppl. 479293;1391543024;mircea_popescu;nubbins` does he realise, i wonder, that the people in thar restaurant are not his skin color, not his skin odour and not his education level ? 479294;1391543027;pankkake;of course I can, the more the diff the more the inflate 479295;1391543058;mircea_popescu;"what do you mean i'm not welcome anywhere as i am!!11!!1" 479296;1391543063;nubbins`;food is color blind, man 479297;1391543075;ThickAsThieves;I'm gonna reply "See what happens when there are too many coin options? This is why I invented Altcoin! " 479298;1391543098;kakobrekla;the 15th standard. 479299;1391543109;mircea_popescu;works. 479300;1391543179;Duffer1;.."seized by their issuer to recover losses under lien. It's legal..." 479301;1391543184;Duffer1;lolol 479302;1391543381;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999 BTC [-] 479303;1391543491;pankkake;award them the Internet Lawyer Diploma 479304;1391543503;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 52878 @ 0.00011202 = 5.9234 BTC [-] {9} 479305;1391543529;nubbins`;Ray Russell Reese III, that's a mouthful 479306;1391543533;Namworld;Can someone explain me why CBTC trades for almost 200 months of profits? 479307;1391543543;nubbins`;I've lost count of how many times people have confused my last name with "Reese" 479308;1391543557;nubbins`;Namworld: i don't think so, no :( 479309;1391543565;ThickAsThieves;Namworld, to piss you off 479310;1391543571;Duffer1;they probably think it's the next satoshidice 479311;1391543597;ThickAsThieves;or, "hope" 479312;1391543601;Namworld;Then Havelock says Coinroll wants too high a valuation. 479313;1391543611;Duffer1;wow 479314;1391543623;pankkake;> havelock says too high valuation 479315;1391543643;Duffer1;i'm having trouble believing that havelock said a valuation was too high 479316;1391543646;Namworld;They take just about anything, but they don't want Coinroll 479317;1391543657;KRS-;.bait 479318;1391543686;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P410T] 1000 @ 0.38203597 = 382.036 BTC 479319;1391543701;nubbins`;pankkake: i know right? 479320;1391543716;ThickAsThieves;is that $410 or $4100? 479321;1391543723;pankkake;cbtc is supposed to announce an acquisition 479322;1391543724;mircea_popescu;that is 4100 479323;1391543724;ThickAsThieves;i havent been keeping track 479324;1391543729;ThickAsThieves;thx 479325;1391543740;mircea_popescu;and what the hell. 479326;1391543748;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P500T] 1000 @ 0.4879146 = 487.9146 BTC 479327;1391543748;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P485T] 1000 @ 0.47026816 = 470.2682 BTC 479328;1391543748;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.45262172 = 452.6217 BTC 479329;1391543748;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P455T] 1000 @ 0.43497529 = 434.9753 BTC 479330;1391543748;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 1000 @ 0.41732885 = 417.3289 BTC 479331;1391543748;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P425T] 1000 @ 0.39968241 = 399.6824 BTC 479332;1391543752;mircea_popescu;o boy 479333;1391543753;pankkake;lol 479334;1391543754;nubbins`;uh... 479335;1391543756;nubbins`;! 479336;1391543781;mike_c;check the manual, how do you withdraw from mpbor :D 479337;1391543784;mircea_popescu;these were all the bids incidentally. 479338;1391543793;mircea_popescu;so this is actually a btc long play 479339;1391543799;kakobrekla;mike_c send it on the No side 479340;1391543878;nubbins`;;;calc (382+487+470+452+434+417+399)*[ticker --last] 479341;1391543878;gribble;2829635.295 479342;1391543893;mircea_popescu;myeah 479343;1391543921;nubbins`;if you're buying us all ice cream, i prefer chocolate 479344;1391543957;mircea_popescu;by the looks of it i may end up buying someone a new yacht 479345;1391543991;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P500T] 1000 @ 0.48788011 = 487.8801 BTC [-] 479346;1391543991;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P485T] 1000 @ 0.4702347 = 470.2347 BTC [-] 479347;1391544004;mircea_popescu;o.o 479348;1391544008;nubbins`;cover the berthing fees for a year and you've got yourself a deal 479349;1391544010;ThickAsThieves;whoa 479350;1391544012;nubbins`;oh wow, not done yet 479351;1391544018;ThickAsThieves;so someone is writing all these Puts? 479352;1391544022;mircea_popescu;maybe i'm buying someone a new planet 479353;1391544047;mike_c;mpoe is writing them 479354;1391544052;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10333326 = 0.31 BTC [+] {2} 479355;1391544053;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.4525893 = 452.5893 BTC [-] 479356;1391544054;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P455T] 1000 @ 0.4349439 = 434.9439 BTC [-] 479357;1391544055;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 1000 @ 0.41729849 = 417.2985 BTC [-] 479358;1391544055;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P425T] 1000 @ 0.39965309 = 399.6531 BTC [-] 479359;1391544055;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P410T] 1000 @ 0.38200769 = 382.0077 BTC [-] 479360;1391544056;mircea_popescu;mike_c nope 479361;1391544057;mike_c;er, buying them :) 479362;1391544060;mircea_popescu;yeah 479363;1391544095;mircea_popescu;fucking options. 479364;1391544096;mircea_popescu;worst racket in the world. 479365;1391544107;mircea_popescu;when you get no customers you're depressed. but then when you do, you're worried. 479366;1391544144;nubbins`;;;calc (382+487+470+452+434+417+399+487+470+452+434+417+399+382)*[ticker --last] 479367;1391544145;gribble;5656260 479368;1391544146;ThickAsThieves;not being accusatory, but would this be a way for MPEX to squeeze MPBOR writers? 479369;1391544160;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves how would it go ? 479370;1391544164;ThickAsThieves;i dunno 479371;1391544168;mircea_popescu;then no lol. 479372;1391544171;mike_c;who said the speculator is going to win? 479373;1391544190;ThickAsThieves;well the idea would be for tyhe speculator to lose intentionally 479374;1391544191;mircea_popescu;speculator may well lose its speculative shirt. 479375;1391544212;ThickAsThieves;cuz speculator is mpex/mp itself 479376;1391544235;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.11576666 = 0.3473 BTC [+] {3} 479377;1391544240;mike_c;if speculator loses bondholders make money 479378;1391544248;mike_c;cuz lots of capital required = lots of interest 479379;1391544317;jurov;!t m ^oix 479380;1391544317;assbot;[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 122.22370491 / 121.39535668 / 120.63410743 (14 shares, 0.61 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) 479381;1391544317;jurov;..computing... 479382;1391544355;mircea_popescu;nah cause they're sales see 479383;1391544418;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P500T] 1000 @ 0.48820451 = 488.2045 BTC [+] 479384;1391544418;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P485T] 1000 @ 0.47054938 = 470.5494 BTC [+] 479385;1391544418;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.45289424 = 452.8942 BTC [+] 479386;1391544418;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P455T] 1000 @ 0.43523911 = 435.2391 BTC [+] 479387;1391544418;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 1000 @ 0.41758397 = 417.584 BTC [+] 479388;1391544418;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P425T] 1000 @ 0.39992884 = 399.9288 BTC [+] 479389;1391544418;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P410T] 1000 @ 0.3822737 = 382.2737 BTC [+] 479390;1391544425;mircea_popescu;of come on 479391;1391544429;ThickAsThieves;lol 479392;1391544448;mircea_popescu;well i suppose on the positive angle... this probably takes mpex avg trade pretty close to mpex account fee 479393;1391544462;mircea_popescu;much to the peanut gallery's delight 479394;1391544484;nubbins`;;;calc (382+487+470+452+434+417+399+487+470+452+434+417+399+382+488+470+452+435+417+399+382)*[ticker --last] 479395;1391544485;gribble;8486204.375 479396;1391544492;nubbins`;getting uncomfortable yet? 479397;1391544503;mircea_popescu;just a few k's. i've seen worse. 479398;1391544513;ThickAsThieves;;;calc (382+487+470+452+434+417+399+487+470+452+434+417+399+382+488+470+452+435+417+399+382)*5000 479399;1391544513;gribble;45625000 479400;1391544535;mircea_popescu;you guise... i can crash at your pads right ? 479401;1391544543;mircea_popescu;i could be as cool as taaki. 479402;1391544547;nubbins`;wait, you mean romania doesn't house the destitute for free? 479403;1391544560;mircea_popescu;no because it's run by nazi assholes who don't believe in welfare. 479404;1391544563;Namworld;Oh lol. http://www.reddit.com/r/actualmoney/ 479405;1391544564;pankkake;does taaki take showers? 479406;1391544568;ThickAsThieves;i hear there's a lot of slave work in ROmania 479407;1391544570;nubbins`;Namworld, +1 479408;1391544571;ThickAsThieves;oh wait 479409;1391544574;mircea_popescu;pankkake when it rains 479410;1391544596;mircea_popescu;"ActualMoney HACKED! 70 million people's wallet information stolen! Wallet's flawed! May need to upgrade wallets to new version!" 479411;1391544604;ThickAsThieves;"actualmoney ATM spotted in the wild" 479412;1391544605;mircea_popescu;well that lasted 3 entries... 479413;1391544605;pankkake;hahaha sometimes reddit delivers 479414;1391544606;ThickAsThieves;lol 479415;1391544608;nubbins`;$8m USD in bennies would make it rain pretty hard 479416;1391544613;nubbins`;you'd get cotton fever 479417;1391544636;nubbins`;they do use cotton paper, yes? 479418;1391544665;mircea_popescu;so i guess bitbet killed last month... mpex kills this month... 479419;1391544677;mircea_popescu;we're sort-of taking turns to act as an executive officer for the week... 479420;1391544686;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: But $8m USD in pennies... Depending on how high they fall from might qualify as a mass casualty incident (hashtag)BitRichTerrorism 479421;1391544692;pankkake;so next month the cardano is shipping? 479422;1391544701;mircea_popescu;must be so 479423;1391544713;nubbins`;BingoBoingo: canada has abolished the penny, it's the way forward 479424;1391544729;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo pennymeteor 479425;1391544735;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Also cotton fever is from when you get the filter cotton stuck in your veins because Phillip Seymour Hoffman 479426;1391544742;mircea_popescu;lol 479427;1391544746;Namworld;How much collateral would a P500 require right now? 479428;1391544749;nubbins`;right, sure 479429;1391544774;nubbins`;i was getting confused with cotton lung 479430;1391544784;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 479431;1391544786;nubbins`;byssinosis? 479432;1391544788;mircea_popescu;something like 6 btc 479433;1391544790;mircea_popescu;.6 479434;1391544804;mike_c;strike/spot 479435;1391544829;nubbins`;BingoBoingo: real men don't filter anyway 479436;1391544837;nubbins`;straight from spoon to digs 479437;1391544849;ThickAsThieves;some just traded AM100 for ATC, he 479438;1391544851;mircea_popescu;real men analdrop it ? 479439;1391544855;mike_c;;;calc 500/[ticker --last] 479440;1391544855;gribble;0.542169975254 479441;1391544877;ThickAsThieves;so through inventing nothing i provided AM100 liquidity 479442;1391544890;ThickAsThieves;magical 479443;1391544908;nubbins`;not bad 479444;1391544922;Duffer1;http://explo.yt/post/2014/01/21/Options-and-MPOE 479445;1391544927;Duffer1;^ document not found 479446;1391544949;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, there was a "performance artist" here years ago who chugged a bottle of wine up his ass and attempted to shit it out 479447;1391544958;mircea_popescu;did he perform ? 479448;1391544961;nubbins`;sphincter stopped cooperating 479449;1391544967;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P455T] 250 @ 0.43518255 = 108.7956 BTC [-] 479450;1391544967;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 700 @ 0.41752928 = 292.2705 BTC [-] 479451;1391544967;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P425T] 1000 @ 0.39987601 = 399.876 BTC [-] 479452;1391544967;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P410T] 1000 @ 0.38222274 = 382.2227 BTC [-] 479453;1391544967;nubbins`;he got very very intoxicated 479454;1391544975;ThickAsThieves;stop the madness! 479455;1391544988;nubbins`;in his defense, chugging a bottle of wine with his ass was indeed a performance 479456;1391544998;dub;real men dump gear into syringe, add hot water 479457;1391545006;mircea_popescu;o look it's tapering 479458;1391545013;nubbins`;dub, they don't make funnels that small! 479459;1391545024;dub;I knew a few peopel who did that 479460;1391545038;mircea_popescu;what do real women do ? 479461;1391545047;nubbins`;;;calc (382+487+470+452+434+417+399+487+470+452+434+417+399+382+488+470+452+435+417+399+382+108+292+399+382)*[ticker --last] 479462;1391545047;gribble;9504399.42306 479463;1391545056;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: whatever they want! 479464;1391545057;nubbins`;:0 479465;1391545091;ThickAsThieves;;;market buy 10000 479466;1391545094;gribble;A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 10067544.3676 USD and would take the last price up to 1090.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 1006.7544 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0854 seconds 479467;1391545113;ThickAsThieves;it's probly mtgox buying the options 479468;1391545119;ThickAsThieves;selling 479469;1391545126;nubbins`;maybe it's a winklevo 479470;1391545132;nubbins`;or whatever you call one of them 479471;1391545137;kakobrekla;its phantom 479472;1391545137;nubbins`;winklevode 479473;1391545146;ThickAsThieves;;;market buy 50000 479474;1391545146;gribble;This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 21066.667 bitcoins, for a total of 39555715342.1433 USD and take the price to 3600000000.0000. | Data vintage: 52.3027 seconds 479475;1391545150;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+] 479476;1391545159;BingoBoingo;Nah, has to be gox, since all of their money is of the monopoly variety they can push their price wherever they want. 479477;1391545180;ThickAsThieves;but price needs to hold over it for more than a day 479478;1391545180;kakobrekla;yea but phantom will handle gox default 479479;1391545211;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.155 = 0.775 BTC [+] 479480;1391545217;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i guess we see if there's further divergence. 479481;1391545244;nubbins`;http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2014/02/03/february-2014-web-server-survey.html 479482;1391545255;nubbins`;"If recent trends continue, Microsoft could overtake Apache within the next few months, ending Apache's 17+ year reign as the most common web server" 479483;1391545268;ThickAsThieves;eww 479484;1391545271;Diablo-D3;uh? 479485;1391545272;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.24310363 = 1.4586 BTC 479486;1391545280;Diablo-D3;well for one 479487;1391545281;mircea_popescu;i dunno how much weight i put on "sites" counting. 479488;1391545286;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well I mean the other possibility is maybe Secondmarket's fund which has been buying almost exclusively OTC has run out of sellers and needs to go to an exchange. 479489;1391545287;Diablo-D3;microsoft doesnt even have a web server that works on linux 479490;1391545292;Diablo-D3;so how would it do that? 479491;1391545301;Diablo-D3;second, didnt nginx already surplant apache? 479492;1391545317;Diablo-D3;only legacy sites run apache anymore 479493;1391545318;pankkake;yeah, nginx is probably serving more than apache 479494;1391545328;mircea_popescu;possibly. 479495;1391545344;Diablo-D3;apache is still a lot slower than nginx, and I dont know why 479496;1391545350;nubbins`;ah 479497;1391545351;Diablo-D3;and theres no built in support for spdy 479498;1391545354;nubbins`;all sites vs active sites 479499;1391545373;pankkake;it's hard to count though. per domains? ips? 479500;1391545388;mircea_popescu;thy count domains. 479501;1391545394;Diablo-D3;thats useless 479502;1391545395;mircea_popescu;it's not particularly meaningful imo, but hey. 479503;1391545396;Diablo-D3;if I was microsoft 479504;1391545402;Diablo-D3;I'd just buy 9 billion domains 479505;1391545408;pankkake;I have plenty of domains, and subdomains 479506;1391545410;Diablo-D3;microsoft doesnt even host microsoft.com on IIS 479507;1391545416;Diablo-D3;in fact, I didnt even know IIS was still around 479508;1391545421;Diablo-D3;I thought it was discontinued 479509;1391545429;pankkake;and typically, you can have subdomains hosted with different servers 479510;1391545442;mircea_popescu;basically one of the squatters moving ot a ms outfit can account for the entire "trend" 479511;1391545443;nubbins`;Diablo-D3, what did you think all those .NET sites ran on? 479512;1391545464;Diablo-D3;nubbins`: um, probably .net 479513;1391545473;Diablo-D3;iirc it has its own http stack built in 479514;1391545477;nubbins`;nope 479515;1391545482;nubbins`;uses iis 479516;1391545483;BingoBoingo;There's also the thing where any number of pwned windows boxes can become IIS servers 479517;1391545486;ThickAsThieves;reminds me of furuknap 479518;1391545492;ThickAsThieves;the sharepoint lover 479519;1391545495;nubbins`;unless it's changed in the last couple years 479520;1391545501;Diablo-D3;and like a third of .net sites use mono 479521;1391545514;Diablo-D3;plus, you never connect that shit directly to the net anyhow 479522;1391545521;Diablo-D3;you proxy them for ssl and caching performance 479523;1391545528;Diablo-D3;so varnish or whatnot 479524;1391545529;nubbins`;1/3 of .net sites use mono, really? 479525;1391545533;Diablo-D3;nubbins`: yeah 479526;1391545536;nubbins`;wow 479527;1391545541;Diablo-D3;because they cant host them on the internet anywhere if they dont 479528;1391545559;Diablo-D3;unless they shell out for a dedi at a company that allows windows 479529;1391545564;Diablo-D3;and thats not in-expensive. 479530;1391545566;nubbins`;windows hosting = $$$$ 479531;1391545574;ThickAsThieves;my desire for more bitcoin drama this morning has been sated by all these options sales :) 479532;1391545596;pankkake;good spider sense 479533;1391545611;nubbins`;TBH that's the biggest ? in all of this 479534;1391545613;mircea_popescu;ya srsly. 479535;1391545622;mircea_popescu;your inner spider is sensible. 479536;1391545625;nubbins`;but the point about mono helps explain it 479537;1391545627;Diablo-D3;wtf 479538;1391545632;Diablo-D3;the text of that article doenst even make sense 479539;1391545635;Diablo-D3;look at the graphs 479540;1391545638;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P410T] 666 @ 0.38217745 = 254.5302 BTC [-] 479541;1391545650;mircea_popescu;ahahaha dat touch. 479542;1391545657;dub;option of the beast 479543;1391545659;Diablo-D3;apache is still >505 479544;1391545665;Diablo-D3;er 50% 479545;1391545667;mircea_popescu;for the record, the record is 482`472 BTC notional trade. back in march. 479546;1391545682;Diablo-D3;oh 479547;1391545683;Diablo-D3;active sites 479548;1391545685;nubbins`;record record 479549;1391545688;Diablo-D3;wtf is an "active site" 479550;1391545690;Diablo-D3;fucking retard 479551;1391545691;dub;recordception? 479552;1391545692;Diablo-D3;fucking retards 479553;1391545694;mircea_popescu;this book is like 25k, so far. 479554;1391545694;nubbins`;yeah, i got tangled up there too 479555;1391545695;ThickAsThieves;i guess i should close my shorts 479556;1391545713;dub;yeah or your junk will fall out 479557;1391545717;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves, was wondering about the smell 479558;1391545725;Duffer1;>.< 479559;1391545739;nubbins`;i mean, it always stinks like dick in here 479560;1391545742;nubbins`;but 479561;1391545746;ThickAsThieves;now pubes too 479562;1391545757;nubbins`;yeah, a different sort of musk 479563;1391545761;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/64b937d1f1500255f36acd975c2c3d3a/tumblr_mg1dypz7xQ1ru15g3o1_500.jpg 479564;1391545763;mircea_popescu;there, fixed. 479565;1391545773;pankkake;the elon musk? 479566;1391545793;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 479567;1391545805;mircea_popescu;dude how long had you been waiting for that one ? 479568;1391545823;pankkake;0, as I didn't make the association before 479569;1391545829;nubbins`;elon = eww, like, overwhelming nausea 479570;1391545880;nubbins`;struggling for an "e" word to go with "lord, our noses" 479571;1391545882;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15899987 BTC [+] 479572;1391545943;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.24310363 = 1.2155 BTC 479573;1391545989;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/rape-question-instructor-apologizes-to-class-1.2521924 479574;1391546040;nubbins`;the question in question: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/19edpdjuj3otapng.png 479575;1391546089;mircea_popescu;was that crowdsourced ? 479576;1391546093;benkay;nerds make tasteless jokes? 479577;1391546095;nubbins`;"Everybody needs loving and understanding. People get their courage to live from loving and understanding. Understanding means listening and compassion. Rape victims have to gather their courage to live in order to stand on their dignity and to face future." 479578;1391546098;benkay;color me surprised. 479579;1391546120;mircea_popescu;fucking bullshit of the first degree, incidentally. 479580;1391546128;mircea_popescu;people don't get their "courage to live" from a bunch of other dorks. 479581;1391546136;mircea_popescu;it's inside or it's not present at all. 479582;1391546170;benkay;but a hug and a shoulder to cry on can help the poor abused kitten return to normal. 479583;1391546173;nubbins`;"Heather is a young rape victim. She would die if she could not stand on her dignity and no future. Unfortunately the persistent bullying online and calling her a "slut" in her community show that nobody would listen her and there is no compassion towards her. A person willing to die causes the person's attempting suicide. Whether is Heather attempting a suicide?" 479584;1391546176;dub;why is part of canukistan named after two dogs? 479585;1391546184;pankkake;actually, the bunch of other dorks makes you want to kill yourself more 479586;1391546188;nubbins`;dub: the obvious answer is the correct one. 479587;1391546203;dub;crack smoking mayors? 479588;1391546217;nubbins`;...that's the obvious answer? 479589;1391546227;dub;crack has to come into it clearly 479590;1391546243;nubbins`;actual answer is that both breeds originated from here 479591;1391546285;nubbins`;they have a common ancestor in the St. John's water dog 479592;1391546289;dub;seems unlikely 479593;1391546300;nubbins`;well, that's the funny thing about "seems" 479594;1391546340;nubbins`;not as funny as the fact that the newfoundland dog was bred in labrador and the labrador retriever was bred in newfoundland 479595;1391546351;nubbins`;but hey, what can ya do 479596;1391546352;dub;stands to reason 479597;1391546371;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22806 @ 0.00092181 = 21.0228 BTC [+] {2} 479598;1391546401;nubbins`;nod 479599;1391546406;nubbins`;newfoundland dogs are great 479600;1391546410;nubbins`;they're so goddamn big 479601;1391546420;nubbins`;very gentle too 479602;1391546434;Duffer1;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149458.msg4937164#msg4937164 479603;1391546484;mircea_popescu;dub is un-a-bashed. 479604;1391546526;mircea_popescu;nubbins apparently likes the cok. 479605;1391546553;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13200001 BTC [-] 479606;1391546564;benkay;great danes are large and gentle as well 479607;1391546564;nubbins`;i know the words you're using 479608;1391546587;nubbins`;but i don't understand the order in which you've put them 479609;1391546592;nubbins`;but i don't understand the order in which you've put them 479610;1391546601;mircea_popescu;just simple pattern matching dood. the last time i was talking to someone telling me about how "it's great, so goddamn big but gentle" the subject was penis and the speaker a slut. 479611;1391546614;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.132 = 0.264 BTC [-] 479612;1391546615;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 479613;1391546616;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 799 @ 0.00433582 = 3.4643 BTC [-] {18} 479614;1391546619;nubbins`;hmm right 479615;1391546623;nubbins`;you may wish to tweak your algo 479616;1391546645;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/ac9splM 479617;1391546653;nubbins`;^ newfoundland dog 479618;1391546669;jcpham;fuck that 479619;1391546671;jcpham;not indoors 479620;1391546673;mircea_popescu;ahaha 479621;1391546689;jcpham;i have a husky indoor and i want to kill that fucker 479622;1391546694;mircea_popescu;so basically if you can't reach in the top cabinet, 479623;1391546699;mircea_popescu;you can ask for the dog to get it. 479624;1391546707;nubbins`;yeah exactly! 479625;1391546714;jcpham;imagine if it chews anything 479626;1391546718;jcpham;you can't hide it 479627;1391546730;nubbins`;the newfie dog also graces the box of one of my favourite local beers 479628;1391546731;nubbins`;http://nlbeerhistory.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/screen-shot-2012-06-27-at-11-43-07-am.png 479629;1391546750;nubbins`;jcpham, consider chew marks on the window sill behind the sink 479630;1391546753;nubbins`;"the fuck...?" 479631;1391546758;jcpham;yeah 479632;1391546762;jcpham;dats a big yo 479633;1391546765;jcpham;*dog 479634;1391546783;nubbins`;i can't recall if newfoundlands were bred from labs 479635;1391546785;jcpham;might get bored and chew the middle or top of a door frame 479636;1391546786;nubbins`;or vice versa 479637;1391546808;nubbins`;anyway, i generally don't like dogs at all, but these big fluffy fuckers are great 479638;1391546810;jcpham;i'd hate trying to dominate and train it too 479639;1391546814;jcpham;sounds like work 479640;1391546846;mircea_popescu;they prolly want you to. 479641;1391546850;nubbins`;^ 479642;1391546857;mircea_popescu;not like the litthe fuckers you gott fight with 479643;1391546861;mircea_popescu;like pitbulls etc. 479644;1391546862;jcpham;large male indoor dogs have to be dominated yo 479645;1391546885;nubbins`;nah, they call these things "gentle giants" 479646;1391546908;jcpham;i'd stare at it until it sits it's ass down 479647;1391546912;ThickAsThieves;i had a gf that had a newfie, they are very gentle, but also kinda fragile 479648;1391546916;jcpham;gentle giant and everything 479649;1391546917;nubbins`;webbed feet, great swimmers 479650;1391546942;ThickAsThieves;they live what 6-9 years? 479651;1391546943;jcpham;but if it's labrador genome it's probably docile 479652;1391546958;jcpham;i've got a hell of a fucked alpha male living with me 479653;1391546964;nubbins`;tat, 8-10 479654;1391546980;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 479655;1391546981;nubbins`;labs are docile if you train them, hard to train tho 479656;1391546989;nubbins`;they're fucking idiots if you don't 479657;1391547002;jcpham;i should've done more research on siberian huskies 479658;1391547011;jcpham;fucking dog challenges me daily for supremacy 479659;1391547020;nubbins`;wow, largest newfoundland was 260lbs 479660;1391547022;nubbins`;120kg 479661;1391547078;nubbins`;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Adamcoat.jpg 479662;1391547086;nubbins`;"a newfoundland dog lying next to its combed-out seasonal undercoat" 479663;1391547098;nubbins`;do not want 479664;1391547154;jcpham;yeah the multiple coats 479665;1391547163;jcpham;which means more shedding 479666;1391547189;dub;looks like my cat 479667;1391547195;chipug;anyone any ideas how to get hold of someone pretty far up the chain in bitcoin to explain to some authority types? 479668;1391547208;dub;talk to jcpham 479669;1391547211;jcpham;chipug! 479670;1391547213;bigboss;bitcoin 4100 next month? 479671;1391547214;jcpham;you are in luck! 479672;1391547218;dub;and Namworld 479673;1391547220;dub;and bigboss 479674;1391547229;jcpham;here i am. I'm approximately 72% up the chain right now 479675;1391547231;dub;al top of the bitcoi nauthority chain 479676;1391547233;blg;chipug: message me 479677;1391547237;chipug;lol jcpham 479678;1391547240;benkay;top of the blockchain 479679;1391547250;chipug;i mean i need someone to talk to government 479680;1391547255;nubbins`;chipug, what sort of chain are you looking for someone to be far up? 479681;1391547257;chipug;this is important 479682;1391547259;jcpham;nevermind i'm busy 479683;1391547271;benkay;important? sounds important. also amazing. 479684;1391547271;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 479685;1391547273;nubbins`;heh 479686;1391547279;dub;which gubbermint 479687;1391547282;nubbins`;chipug: maybe you'd better start with exactly what you're trying to do 479688;1391547285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00092887 = 6.1305 BTC [+] {2} 479689;1391547285;dub;and lol important? 479690;1391547298;chipug;i would like to find someone to talk to the scottish government about bitcoin 479691;1391547301;jcpham;bitcoin + important sounds life changing 479692;1391547305;benkay;why can't you, chipug? 479693;1391547306;chipug;theyve just decided its illegal 479694;1391547312;chipug;and they are having another conference 479695;1391547314;nubbins`;chipug: would the scottish government like to talk to someone? 479696;1391547321;chipug;i know one of the head procurator fiscals 479697;1391547323;nubbins`;'cause ya know 479698;1391547326;dub;they're drunk tell them to go home 479699;1391547336;chipug;and i wondered if someone would talk to himn and tell him what a fucking idiot he is being 479700;1391547338;benkay;source please, chipug 479701;1391547346;nubbins`;hahaha 479702;1391547349;BingoBoingo;chipug: http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/ 479703;1391547351;nubbins`;great plan, will work 479704;1391547376;chipug;i know it wont but would you rather i didn't try when i have heard this on the QT?? 479705;1391547385;nubbins`;honestly i don't think any of us care 479706;1391547389;chipug;this isnt public knowledge 479707;1391547394;nubbins`;it is now 479708;1391547396;chipug;ok fair enough 479709;1391547399;nubbins`;sorry 479710;1391547413;mike_c;it's public rumor now, not knowledge quite yet 479711;1391547417;chipug;no worries, just thought folk would care if the government are looking at seizing it 479712;1391547420;dub;as soon as bourbon barrels are only exchangable for bitcoin they'll roll over like the scotsmen they are 479713;1391547433;nubbins`;chipug: walk through the steps of a bitcoin seizure in your head 479714;1391547443;chipug;mike_c: i hope the rumour mill does something more than the deaf ears i met 479715;1391547450;jcpham;is golf still legal? 479716;1391547458;nubbins`;they seized golf too 479717;1391547463;chipug;nubbins, i didnt come to get bitched at 479718;1391547463;jcpham;FARK 479719;1391547470;jcpham;these bastards and their laws 479720;1391547494;chipug;just thought might be good for someone that can explain technically and historically to tell them that it isnt all criminal activity - which is what they concluded last week 479721;1391547506;nubbins`;chipug: i know, but i don't think you fully understand what you're talking about 479722;1391547509;jcpham;oh yeah that's not me 479723;1391547518;jcpham;i'm purposefully lacking credentials 479724;1391547522;chipug;of course i don't nubbins! why the fuck do you think i am here now?! 479725;1391547535;bigboss;who bet 10m that bitcoin will be over 4500 next month 479726;1391547548;dub;scotland did 479727;1391547551;nubbins`;because you think this is a thing that (a) people would worry about and (b) your government can do something about 479728;1391547562;Duffer1;bigboss someone with the resources to make it happen 479729;1391547564;chipug;i heard about this through family and i just thought, fuck that doesn't sound good. I wonder if someone could help things. I apologise to all for that 479730;1391547564;nubbins`;two false assumptions that brought you here 479731;1391547566;jcpham;do you have 10 million dollars to bet with bigboss? 479732;1391547575;nubbins`;hey, apology accepted. stick around for a chat 479733;1391547583;chipug;nah 479734;1391547588;chipug;bit sour dude 479735;1391547592;nubbins`;cheer up 479736;1391547596;chipug;lol 479737;1391547607;chipug;doesnt seem to be too fun to chat so far 479738;1391547612;jcpham;nubbins` is mad because he hasn't sold that .5 silver cas coin yet 479739;1391547615;benkay;chipug: the attitude to bear is "don't fuck with bitcoin" not "oh no this is going to hurt bitcoin" 479740;1391547617;nubbins`;we're just taking ths piss out of you 479741;1391547618;chipug;sure seems mad 479742;1391547628;nubbins`;jcpham: i sold one two weeks ago for 6btc 479743;1391547635;jcpham;FARK 479744;1391547638;chipug;thanks benkay that's advice i can use at least 479745;1391547641;jcpham;i hate this internets 479746;1391547652;nubbins`;jcpham, i still have 3 or 4 more to sell 479747;1391547655;nubbins`;it's not too late for you 479748;1391547661;benkay;also chipug read this http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2014#479282 479749;1391547667;benkay;it'll explain your experience here today. 479750;1391547670;benkay;maybe. 479751;1391547671;chipug;no wonder folk don't hang around this community, i was right the first time 479752;1391547672;Duffer1;i would wait until next month to buy one hehe 479753;1391547675;jcpham;sorry i sold everything for dogecoin weeks ago 479754;1391547679;jcpham;I'M RICH NOW BRO 479755;1391547704;nubbins`;chipug: i hope they don't make dogecoin illegal next :( 479756;1391547744;nubbins`;Duffer1: sounds good, the price should be higher by then :D 479757;1391547760;Duffer1;^.^ 479758;1391547778;chipug;nubbins`: ok, good for you? 479759;1391547788;jcpham;stay away from the log chipug, itsatrap 479760;1391547790;nubbins`;chipug: now who's being rude? ;( 479761;1391547804;chipug;nubbins`: treat those how you want to be treated back 479762;1391547817;nubbins`;anyway, we're only giving you a hard time because you've incorrectly identified something that isn't a problem as being a huge problem 479763;1391547821;kakobrekla;where can i send you all my coins chipug 479764;1391547825;nubbins`;no hard feelings, toughen up, etc :) 479765;1391547827;ThickAsThieves;I'm spreading the word of MPEX to the Tradingview.com crowd 479766;1391547839;chipug;ok nubbins, maybe you couldve just said: think you are worrying unecessarily like benjay did 479767;1391547840;jcpham;kakobrekla is also pretty close to the top of the blockchain 479768;1391547845;chipug;benkay* sorry 479769;1391547854;ThickAsThieves;"didn't even know this existed" 479770;1391547862;nubbins`;chipug: but then how would i keep up the appearance of being an asshole? 479771;1391547866;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: How many threads do they have on Doge? 479772;1391547871;chipug;does ignore work on irc? 479773;1391547878;nubbins`;yeah, /ignore nick 479774;1391547882;blg;lol 479775;1391547885;nubbins`;e.g. /ignore nubbins` 479776;1391547914;lippoper;Doge is pretty awesome 479777;1391547917;dub;this is quite the accelerated noob cycle 479778;1391547917;lippoper;falling down soo hard 479779;1391547934;nubbins`;dub, that's the future for ya 479780;1391547937;dub;Hi I need help, fuck you all im ignoring you 479781;1391547941;nubbins`;hahah 479782;1391547942;lippoper;138 satoshis today, 2 days ago 186 479783;1391547954;lippoper;still, nothing we haven't seen before 479784;1391547959;nubbins`;click on a user's nickname and press alt-f4 to permanently ignore them 479785;1391547962;lippoper;but it's fun to see the noobs panic selling 479786;1391547966;lippoper;and profitable 479787;1391547978;chipug;doesn't work for me 479788;1391547979;dub;lippoper: still 186 times more than its worth 479789;1391548011;nubbins`;chipug, are you on windows? 479790;1391548038;chipug;for my sins! 479791;1391548074;lippoper;dub: that's like saying bitcoin is still worth 800 times more than its worth 479792;1391548096;dub;we should continue thi sin #dogecoin 479793;1391548109;lippoper;lol 479794;1391548120;ThickAsThieves;good idea 479795;1391548123;ThickAsThieves;after you 479796;1391548140;dub;shh 479797;1391548140;lippoper;(4:09:14 PM) lippoper: dub: Rub-a-dub-dub, dogecoins to da moon! 479798;1391548143;lippoper;lol 479799;1391548231;ThickAsThieves;of course another crowd is scared of mpex... "OK well this makes no sense to me, maybe someone can help me here? I just want to verify the trade is all. Nothing on that page even says bitcoin lol" 479800;1391548255;dub;wheres the css? 479801;1391548271;ThickAsThieves;add a Bitcoin logo 479802;1391548278;ThickAsThieves;or BIT.COIN 479803;1391548325;jurov;so, these whale options have breakeven around 850? 479804;1391548354;jurov;seems benkay again provided me with wrong formulas 479805;1391548405;benkay;fail everywhere 479806;1391548408;ThickAsThieves;ah 479807;1391548435;mike_c;yes, they break even around 850 479808;1391548448;jurov;instead of (strike / (1 + buyprice)) / lotsize it's (strike/lotsize)/(1+(buyprice/lotsize)) 479809;1391548469;lippoper;he suckered you 479810;1391548539;ThickAsThieves;$avg 479811;1391548540;mpexbot;ThickAsThieves: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 479812;1391548556;jurov;let's bribe nanotube to fix it 479813;1391548569;jurov;oh that's mpexbot not gribble 479814;1391548587;jurov;$tivker --avg 479815;1391548591;jurov;$ticker --avg 479816;1391548603;ThickAsThieves;;;ticker --avg 479817;1391548604;gribble;929.79764 479818;1391548612;jurov;eh 479819;1391548639;ThickAsThieves;so mpex still uses goxprice 479820;1391548639;mircea_popescu;chipug sure. 479821;1391548642;ThickAsThieves;whyfor 479822;1391548651;nubbins`;because gox is best 479823;1391548700;jurov;they used 848.37 on opex. that isn't gox price 479824;1391548742;mike_c;;;bc,24hprc 479825;1391548742;chipug;hi mircea_popescu sorry, what i miss there? 479826;1391548742;gribble;852.02 479827;1391548749;ThickAsThieves;"crikey! I'd like to cover this on Cryptocoins News can I contact you tomorrow about this?" mircea_popescu, I gave him your contact info 479828;1391548771;lippoper;!bait 479829;1391548777;dub;crikey! 479830;1391548785;lippoper;!crikey! 479831;1391548788;dub;wheres vexual 479832;1391548832;BingoBoingo;.bait 479833;1391548835;mircea_popescu;chipug you wanted someone up the pole or w/e, you're talking to him. now what ? 479834;1391548849;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves yeah htey found me. 479835;1391548867;chipug;oh i'm really sorry mircea_popescu apparently, there's no point and i should just shut up 479836;1391548873;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves nah, uses the bitcoincharts usd avg 479837;1391548879;mircea_popescu;which i think still includes gox 479838;1391548900;ThickAsThieves;k 479839;1391548901;mircea_popescu;chipug don't take what ppl say to heart eh. if nobody knows you and you behave "weird" you'll get trollbaited. 479840;1391548919;kingofsports;hello all. 479841;1391548924;ThickAsThieves;wait USD avg cant be that high 479842;1391548936;jurov;gox pulls it up 479843;1391548953;mircea_popescu;hi. 479844;1391548957;jurov;http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/currencies/ says 852 too 479845;1391548982;ThickAsThieves;;;ticker --avg 479846;1391548983;gribble;929.79605 479847;1391548983;assbot;123! 479848;1391548994;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.132 BTC [-] 479849;1391548997;kingofsports;mircea i saw the large option purchase on btctalk...it looks like it was puts being bought not calls as u said in chat. 479850;1391549018;chipug;thanks mircea_popescu, still a bit wide eyed in life has to be said. explanation: gvt are investigating bitcoin in scotland and the procurator fiscals have decided its bad and dodgy etc etc and they are having another conference. I had wondered if it might help if someone explained where they are wrong 479851;1391549022;ThickAsThieves;it was Puts being sold 479852;1391549025;kingofsports;since when is assbot connected to havelock? 479853;1391549033;ThickAsThieves;since ages 479854;1391549035;mircea_popescu;chipug well, if they want to listen, sure. 479855;1391549039;the20year1;Quite a while 479856;1391549044;kingofsports;ah cool 479857;1391549045;the20year1;although it doesn't get all their trades 479858;1391549055;jurov;So they sold puts to mpoebot? 479859;1391549063;ThickAsThieves;as i understand it 479860;1391549067;kakobrekla;what do you mean it doest get all their trades?! 479861;1391549068;mircea_popescu;kingofsports puts sold short = long play, which is what i said. 479862;1391549095;ThickAsThieves;he means it doesnt print tiny ones in this chan 479863;1391549103;chipug;really? happily noted 479864;1391549114;kingofsports;so wait...i thought he bought the option to buy like 5-10k btc if price falls below 500 or whatever he chose (some 470 445 and 410). how is this a long play? 479865;1391549117;mircea_popescu;o, that. so go to #bitcoin-assets-trades for all the dust. 479866;1391549129;mircea_popescu;kingofsports mno, he sold puts. 479867;1391549146;jurov;either they got margin from mp or they needed 50k collateral O.o 479868;1391549152;kingofsports;to who? mpex buys puts? i thought u just wrote them 479869;1391549161;kingofsports;so your betting BTC prices fall below $500. 479870;1391549161;benkay;"market maker" is the term of art kingofsports 479871;1391549166;chipug;is it possible for one country to ban bitcoin and everyone else use it still or would others just follow suit you think? 479872;1391549204;benkay;chipug: again, don't think in terms of people doing stuff to bitcoin. bitcoin is here, and the world must now deal with it. that in now way entails saying no to the changes it will bring. 479873;1391549205;kingofsports;how long is the option good for? 479874;1391549221;benkay;kingofsports: options called out with a T are for this month, N for next. 479875;1391549229;jurov;Feb 28 479876;1391549238;jurov;http://explo.yt/post/2014/01/21/MPEx%3A-The-Missing-Manual-6-Options < 850 on opex mpoe will lose 479961;1391550220;jurov;and if it will be ~ 1400 it will be ~50% loss 479962;1391550225;jurov;poor bondholder 479963;1391550226;jurov;s 479964;1391550254;mike_c;mpoe doesn't have to wait til the end to exercise 479965;1391550270;mike_c;any time between now and then that it's profitable it can close (and does) 479966;1391550274;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 8.30025573 BTC to 3`000`000 shares, 276 satoshi per share 479967;1391550353;jurov;mike_c: right, hope they manage 479968;1391550431;mircea_popescu;chipug welcome to finance! it IS a different language. 479969;1391550432;mircea_popescu;see here : 479970;1391550444;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/ 479971;1391550468;chipug;hahaha i love the url already! thanks mircea_popescu! 479972;1391550762;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 262 @ 0.00081996 = 0.2148 BTC [-] {2} 479973;1391550823;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 479974;1391550824;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.135 BTC [+] 479975;1391550945;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.003 = 0.288 BTC [+] 479976;1391551024;mike_c;the20year1: good to hear, congrats. 479977;1391551187;chipug;I'm a fan of any article that references herding cats, but aside from that, I don't aspire to move or shake, just learn. also, does someone proof for you mircea_popescu? 479978;1391551219;mike_c;no time for copyediting at the rate he publishes. 479979;1391551229;chipug;i like the site btw 479980;1391551237;chipug;lol mike_c 479981;1391551297;mircea_popescu;mike_c no actually there's a girl reading my shit 479982;1391551312;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.115 = 0.46 BTC [-] 479983;1391551341;mircea_popescu;jesus the new blockchain logo is fugly. 479984;1391551352;Duffer1;yea it's pretty aweful 479985;1391551368;mircea_popescu;why do people do this 479986;1391551378;mircea_popescu;next they'll put a penguin up there or some emu or something 479987;1391551381;ThickAsThieves;why do they have it in that retarded boat shape 479988;1391551382;Duffer1;like they halfassed a QRcodefont 479989;1391551413;ThickAsThieves;they forgot it was only boat-shaped to fit the silly cube from the prior logo 479990;1391551455;mircea_popescu;hahaha i guess so! 479991;1391551474;mircea_popescu;which cube was already a descend into suck, as their prev logo was still better 479992;1391551606;jurov;i must have been asleep when i published that... what is a / (1 / b) equal to? 479993;1391551639;jurov;oh kingofsports is away 479994;1391551670;jurov;at least benkay is here? try redeem yourself :D 479995;1391551761;ThickAsThieves;look at all the lisp clojure biteasy.com 479996;1391551844;ThickAsThieves;"BitcoinJ is widely used across the Bitcoin community; some users include Bitcoin Wallet for Android, MultiBit, Hive, blockchain.info, the biteasy.com block explorer (written in Lisp!), Circle, Neo/Bee (Cypriot payment network), bitpos.me, Bitcoin Touch, BlueMatt's relay network and DNS crawler, academic advanced contracts research and more." 479997;1391551867;mircea_popescu;wait what ?! 479998;1391551873;mircea_popescu;benkay ^ check that shit out 479999;1391552099;dub;https://twitter.com/Wu_Tang_Finance/status/430823914374037504 480000;1391552100;ozbot;Twitter / Wu_Tang_Finance: CRYPTOCURRENCIES RULE EVERYTHING ... 480001;1391552104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00092836 = 10.212 BTC [+] 480002;1391552127;mircea_popescu;#derpfinance trending yet ? 480003;1391552406;benkay;wu tang finance is inferior white people in blackface 480004;1391552428;benkay;you have to be an american jew to do that black music well, or actually grow up in the ghetto. 480005;1391552449;ThickAsThieves;someone trying to take nubbins weed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xat4yw7mJgA#t=25 480006;1391552516;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1x0e28/request_for_information_for_lawsuit_against/ 480007;1391552519;ozbot;Request for information for lawsuit against Michael Marquardt / Theymos : Bitcoin 480008;1391552544;ThickAsThieves;headline should be "Things Heat Up for Thermos" 480009;1391552556;mircea_popescu;lol if they knew the words, yeah. 480010;1391552559;BingoBoingo;"Thermos keeps things hot" 480011;1391552571;ThickAsThieves;Thermos Gives Cold Shoulder 480012;1391552714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28957 @ 0.00093169 = 26.9789 BTC [+] {2} 480013;1391552737;benkay;additionally on the bitcoinj topic, the litecoin folks have put together some funds to hire someone to port it to litecoin. 480014;1391552773;dub;ThickAsThieves: pot holes in ur blog too eh 480015;1391552808;benkay;do we like hearn? 480016;1391552821;chipug;loved the thermos thing 480017;1391552859;chipug;he never responded to that did he? 480018;1391552896;jurov;he responded on earlier reddit post it's linked there 480019;1391552937;dub;https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/430805358240493568 480020;1391552939;ozbot;Twitter / jgarzik: Decentralized #bitcoin auction ... 480021;1391552943;dub;garzik saves 480022;1391552983;ThickAsThieves; ThickAsThieves: pot holes in ur blog too << i skim, and 2dopeboyx 480023;1391552990;ThickAsThieves;2dopeboyz* 480024;1391553015;chipug;woah jurov i was meaning the thermos typo and the ensuing piss takes. didn't know MNW was back bumping his gums 480025;1391553043;jurov;gums? lol 480026;1391553099;mircea_popescu;benkay we despise hearn. 480027;1391553113;benkay;mircea_popescu: 'cause google? 480028;1391553117;ThickAsThieves;i dont despise him 480029;1391553120;mircea_popescu;nah, cause mole. 480030;1391553130;BingoBoingo;benkay: The anti-fungibility and other stuff 480031;1391553131;mircea_popescu;pretty much what he's doing is trying to fuck up bitcoin. 480032;1391553133;ThickAsThieves;i barely know him though 480033;1391553134;mircea_popescu;not sometimes. always. 480034;1391553135;jcpham;oh lolololol is MNW 480035;1391553145;jcpham;can't take that guy seriously 480036;1391553173;benkay;oh he's behind the antifungibility song and dance? 480037;1391553191;mircea_popescu;hearn is the guy that answered experimentally the usg's question as to "what happens in case of major bitcoin fork ?" 480038;1391553192;benkay;sounds like assume bitcoinj is trash, in that case. 480039;1391553194;mircea_popescu;by creating one. 480040;1391553201;ThickAsThieves;Hearn is the kinda guy that tells Amazon they should do drone delivery system 480041;1391553214;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves no, that's what he pretends to be. 480042;1391553220;mircea_popescu;otherwise, he's the anti-snowden. 480043;1391553239;mircea_popescu;benkay worth a read in any case. 480044;1391553253;benkay;doubtless 480045;1391553264;ThickAsThieves;Hearn at least hates Mastercoin 480046;1391553270;ThickAsThieves;he has that going for him 480047;1391553294;ThickAsThieves;is Mastercoin and Open Transactions the same guy? 480048;1391553298;BingoBoingo;benkay: You may be able to fork and earlier version of BitcoinJ. Whatever runs Multibit 0.5.11 seems... The least bad SPV option. SatoshiDice had been running off of an older BitcoinJ for quite some time. 480049;1391553310;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Different guys. 480050;1391553317;ThickAsThieves;word 480051;1391553369;ThickAsThieves;Auction Punk ay? 480052;1391553384;ThickAsThieves;it's 5mos old! 480053;1391553385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15065 @ 0.00092836 = 13.9857 BTC [-] 480054;1391553397;mircea_popescu;lolwut, mnw wants his forum donation bacxk ? 480055;1391553413;benkay;this punk thing was cool when kdrake put his together. auctionpunk is just shameless derping. 480056;1391553430;mircea_popescu;this will be a trending topic. "hey guise remember me ? i donated 0.35 btc to your project in 2010. 480057;1391553441;mircea_popescu;meanwhile i lost all my btc playing dice sites and being scammed on cantina marketplace 480058;1391553448;mircea_popescu;but since btc is now 100000000 billionz 480059;1391553455;mircea_popescu;can i have my donation back and be like a rich guy ?" 480060;1391553470;ThickAsThieves;sure, here are your dollarvalues from back then! 480061;1391553478;mike_c;i hate that reasoning. like snackman saying "now i was scammed for $100k!" 480062;1391553482;mircea_popescu;.*... 480063;1391553545;ThickAsThieves;yknow this Lawsky guy aint so bad http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/3147952575001/regulations-coming-to-bitcoin 480064;1391553569;mircea_popescu;"cocksuckers coming to bitcoin" more like it. 480065;1391553577;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Basically the difference is Open Transactions guy started his thing in 2012 and pretty much only knotwork uses it. Mastercoin guy announed his thing in 2013 and... Profit! 480066;1391553602;ThickAsThieves;why dont they just mate? 480067;1391553650;mircea_popescu;was before 2012 480068;1391553664;mircea_popescu;i sponsored it with some btc in 2012 iirc and it was ancient then 480069;1391553690;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.129 = 1.161 BTC [-] {2} 480070;1391553749;mircea_popescu;mike_c at least gives kids something to do. rather than them keeping track of the pretend value of their "investments" 480071;1391553751;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.1243 = 0.2486 BTC [-] 480072;1391553755;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I don't know the exact open transactions birthdate, but it seems older than me 480073;1391553757;mircea_popescu;they keep track of the pretend value of their "scams" 480074;1391553768;mircea_popescu;i think it's 2011 480075;1391553804;mircea_popescu;early. 2011. 480076;1391553820;mike_c;hah, yeah. there's even a website for it isn't there? btc sob stories. 480077;1391553858;ThickAsThieves;http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/4/5377984/dogecoin-community-raises-money-to-send-service-dogs-to-kids 480078;1391553859;ozbot;Dogecoin community raises money to send service dogs to kids and families in need | The Verge 480079;1391553866;ThickAsThieves;these dogecoiners are pretty slimey 480080;1391553880;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448847.0 480081;1391553882;ozbot;WARNING: PAYPAL STARTED MASSIVE ACCOUNT BAN ON ANYTHING BITCOIN RELATED 480082;1391553885;mircea_popescu;btw, if you're in the btc/paypal game : 480083;1391553891;mircea_popescu;apparently they're going nuts over there. 480084;1391553947;mircea_popescu;"Dogecoin Control Group is running out of retarded sacharine stories to pump their scammy coin. Strangely, the "defraud early investors" thing they pulled yest isn't mentioned" 480085;1391553984;jcpham;i personally dump dogecoin daily 480086;1391553988;jcpham;total pump/dump 480087;1391554012;jcpham;might as well float these dogecoiners on for awhile though 480088;1391554030;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441485.0 480089;1391554032;ozbot;Fee deducted from the transferred amount. Insane. 480090;1391554034;mircea_popescu;this is the lol of al ltime 480091;1391554038;chipug;I wanted to see how pool mining worked, so I used doge. then i was given some. I don't know what i should be doing with them 480092;1391554051;ThickAsThieves;you should be selling them 480093;1391554056;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.12310001 BTC [-] 480094;1391554058;mircea_popescu;chipug anything that doesn't involve you trading anything you value for them 480095;1391554060;jcpham;i trade it for btc and encourage others to do the same 480096;1391554096;chipug;i only have 2041 (lol the 41 was my mining experiment) 480097;1391554109;jcpham;that's like an hours worth 480098;1391554116;mircea_popescu;anyone here got a hashcoins asci thingee ? 480099;1391554118;chipug;yeah i was satisfied at that point 480100;1391554132;chipug;i just wanted to do the process 480101;1391554144;mircea_popescu;chipug on an optimistic view they're worth like a bitcent or two. 480102;1391554149;jurov;http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aQqAOEd_460sa.gif 480103;1391554162;mircea_popescu;"Your words are nothing but attempt to darken our company. " 480104;1391554167;BingoBoingo;chipug: Go on Bitcointalk and trade your Doge for Altcoin 480105;1391554184;ThickAsThieves;www.therealaltcoin.org 480106;1391554184;chipug;urgh but btctalk man 480107;1391554196;mircea_popescu;alt miners take doge ?! 480108;1391554217;ThickAsThieves;good question 480109;1391554218;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Only one way to find out... 480110;1391554220;chipug;is this your one ThickAsThieves? 480111;1391554229;ThickAsThieves;yes and no 480112;1391554236;ThickAsThieves;it's mine in that it happened cuz me 480113;1391554242;ThickAsThieves;but i dont own it 480114;1391554245;ThickAsThieves;or any Altcoins 480115;1391554250;ThickAsThieves;yet 480116;1391554260;BingoBoingo;Any way this electronic Doge thing has been happening for a long time nao https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIBO 480117;1391554261;chipug;should i take that as a negative flag?! 480118;1391554265;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448464.0 480119;1391554267;ozbot;******* EXPOSED FRAUD WARNING ************** 480120;1391554269;mircea_popescu;dub you gotta read that one. 480121;1391554275;mircea_popescu;HIS CRIME 480122;1391554275;mircea_popescu;1. BULLSHIT 480123;1391554275;mircea_popescu;2. MORE BULLSHIT 480124;1391554275;mircea_popescu;3. EVEN MORE BULLSHIT 480125;1391554275;mircea_popescu;4. CONMAN TRAITS 480126;1391554300;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.119 = 0.238 BTC [+] 480127;1391554301;dub;heh 480128;1391554313;ThickAsThieves;PROVE IT?Huh? OK 480129;1391554313;ThickAsThieves;NUMBER 1 BULLSHIT 480130;1391554316;ThickAsThieves;lol 480131;1391554317;chipug;i'm sorry guys but i see the forum like a daily soap or something. i can only find 8% serious 480132;1391554326;mircea_popescu;chipug that's exactly it. 480133;1391554334;mircea_popescu;we mine it for comedy gold. 480134;1391554340;jcpham;I wouldn't read the forum on any type of regular basis 480135;1391554345;jcpham;these guys do 480136;1391554353;chipug;it really is it times. i really wish i had seen the cosby coin fiasco 480137;1391554363;jcpham;that was classic 480138;1391554374;mircea_popescu;cosby coin fiascoed ?! 480139;1391554377;jcpham;I showed it to my boss and he was like WTF close the browser now 480140;1391554377;mircea_popescu;ono all my savings! 480141;1391554392;chipug;lol so wish i had seen it 480142;1391554431;jcpham;best .js i've seen in a hack in a few years 480143;1391554436;jcpham;entertaining 480144;1391554499;chipug;i prefer humour hacks 480145;1391554513;chipug;if any hacking needs to be done, at least add in something funny 480146;1391554525;jcpham;http://i.imgur.com/aNbE5.gif 480147;1391554577;chipug;they were all over the forum too werent they? 480148;1391554623;chipug;another issue i have with btctalk community is i find out later I've been speaking to the same person about a hundred times, no idea 480149;1391554639;chipug;just say who you are 480150;1391554660;ThickAsThieves;so make a wot forum 480151;1391554681;ThickAsThieves;with reputation filters 480152;1391554702;BingoBoingo;http://jalopnik.com/putin-critic-finds-200-pound-wooden-cock-on-roof-of-her-1515890130/@sarah-hedgecock 480153;1391554703;ozbot;Putin Critic Finds 200-Pound Wooden Cock On Roof Of Her BMW 480154;1391554704;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you know about a year ago i made an invite only forum 480155;1391554708;ThickAsThieves;Click here to ignore all noobs 480156;1391554718;mircea_popescu;it died, because i didn't invite idiots and everyone got bored and went back to btctalk 480157;1391554729;ThickAsThieves;sounds about right 480158;1391554749;ThickAsThieves;people need at least the option of idiots 480159;1391554789;mircea_popescu;tbh im really happy with this solution 480160;1391554789;ThickAsThieves;but IRC aint so bad for edutainment 480161;1391554796;ThickAsThieves;yeah 480162;1391554796;mircea_popescu;the forum's overthere, mpoe-pr sends me the nuggets... 480163;1391554826;chipug;BingoBoingo: i like how the mother in the background isn't caring about her young child, too busy snapping the giant cock in front of them both. 480164;1391554850;benkay;children should be more frequently exposed to genitalia. 480165;1391554867;dub;Buffett on -assets http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/332831-it-s-better-to-hang-out-with-people-better-than-you 480166;1391554878;mircea_popescu;lol 480167;1391554880;BingoBoingo;chipug: Well, good parents realize they have to let their children fall and realize ice is slick 480168;1391554885;chipug;we just killed our site to get rid of the arseholes 480169;1391554893;chipug;quiet while we build it back up 480170;1391554933;chipug;i wasn't thinking on the falling, more the giant cock in front of her 480171;1391554965;chipug;"mum, why doesn't our car have a huge penis on it?" 480172;1391554971;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 739 @ 0.00082103 = 0.6067 BTC [+] {2} 480173;1391554982;mircea_popescu;"ask your dad" 480174;1391554987;chipug;lolololol 480175;1391555017;wao-ender;http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/02/04/journalists-at-sochi-are-live-tweeting-their-hilarious-and-gross-hotel-experiences/ 480176;1391555018;ozbot;Journalists at Sochi are live-tweeting their hilarious and gross hotel experiences 480177;1391555042;chipug;there is a forum coming, in a while 480178;1391555058;kakobrekla;goats thing? 480179;1391555060;chipug;crypto finance forum with a private section 480180;1391555062;chipug;nope 480181;1391555068;chipug;no goats, i don't know him 480182;1391555079;mircea_popescu;young padawan. 480183;1391555081;chipug;are you meaning trolly goat from btctalk? 480184;1391555081;kakobrekla;he is doing something of the sort 480185;1391555094;kakobrekla;yes 480186;1391555141;chipug;the forum does present this weird thing of knowing who people are without ever having spoken to them. like when you know people at school just from attending the same building 480187;1391555173;KRS-;Lol they be trippin over the logo and shit. 480188;1391555207;chipug;holy shit preev. the forum really has 4.5 mil??? 480189;1391555215;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C095T] 880 @ 0.02475688 = 21.7861 BTC [+] 480190;1391555244;ThickAsThieves;here comes another wave? 480191;1391555255;benkay;https://twitter.com/bitcoin_txt/status/430699511816941568 480192;1391555256;ozbot;Twitter / bitcoin_txt: I informed the manager and ... 480193;1391555258;mircea_popescu;so everyone's decided upupuo ? 480194;1391555263;kakobrekla;well no, the treasurers have that 480195;1391555311;KRS-;ThickAsThieves: What is it about ATC that allows everyone to finally focus on ONE coin? Looks like you just added another. 480196;1391555347;mircea_popescu;15th standard 480197;1391555361;benkay;reason fifteen million bitcoin is not consumer tech 480198;1391555367;chipug;amazing how all these people who were like fuck LTC are lining up their doge wallets nicely underneath their btc addresses for tips 480199;1391555367;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 480200;1391555394;mircea_popescu;gotta keep those quarter cents flowing 480201;1391555498;chipug;do you guys all trade as your primary business? 480202;1391555510;ThickAsThieves;formerly mostly 480203;1391555510;chipug;sorry if nosy 480204;1391555602;dub;lolrussia 480205;1391555642;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13948 @ 0.00093045 = 12.9779 BTC [+] 480206;1391555688;kakobrekla;chipug, no, not everyone trades as primary biz 480207;1391555706;kakobrekla;i dont know if anyone does that at all 480208;1391555802;mircea_popescu;$t m ^oix 480209;1391555810;mircea_popescu;!t m ^oix 480210;1391555811;assbot;[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 122.22370491 / 98.04225811 / 97.72401779 (894 shares, 22.39 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) 480211;1391555861;ThickAsThieves; ThickAsThieves: What is it about ATC that allows everyone to finally focus on ONE coin? Looks like you just added another. <<<< No, I shifted the paradigm. 480212;1391555880;chipug;what do you do kakobrekla? 480213;1391555910;truffles;eats cows 480214;1391555914;truffles;and pigs 480215;1391555918;mircea_popescu;i'm starting a donation. 480216;1391555924;mircea_popescu;drive. 480217;1391555928;mircea_popescu;to clothe the czechs. 480218;1391555930;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/1f1431aba2c7bca3a42c1fa9a27b8acc/tumblr_mfycor10aR1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg 480219;1391555947;mircea_popescu;there are very many sad czech ppl because no clothes at the moment 480220;1391555949;KRS-;ew 480221;1391555952;ThickAsThieves;and feed while youre at it 480222;1391555987;chipug;1. dude she needs to trim the minge mullets she has going on down there and 2. why the fuck is she outside?! 480223;1391555993;KRS-;ThickAsThieves: so its the final altcoin for everyone to concentrate on it because you say it is? 480224;1391556002;chipug;im thinner than that atm :'( 480225;1391556005;ThickAsThieves;it's not for me to say 480226;1391556009;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.04999999 = 0.15 BTC [+] 480227;1391556010;kakobrekla;chipug i got asked that same question about an hour ago. i said "nothing." 480228;1391556016;KRS-;I don't see that it serves a purpose, unless I'm missing something. 480229;1391556027;ThickAsThieves;have you missed things before? 480230;1391556033;KRS-;of course 480231;1391556038;ThickAsThieves;well, there ya go! 480232;1391556053;chipug;must be interesting if two people ask in an hour though right kakobrekla? 480233;1391556065;diametric;so i was informed of altcoin today 480234;1391556069;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1220 @ 0.00012305 = 0.1501 BTC [-] {3} 480235;1391556070;mircea_popescu;KRS- you prolly missed my comments earlier. grep for straight man story 480236;1391556071;diametric;my body is ready 480237;1391556077;KRS-;ok 480238;1391556080;kakobrekla;chipug new people do that to you 480239;1391556083;chipug;mircea_popescu: how old is this pic? looks 70s 80s 480240;1391556085;mircea_popescu;diametric you gonna carry it to term ? 480241;1391556085;truffles;chipug is your balls smooth shaved? 480242;1391556092;mircea_popescu;chipug 2011 480243;1391556097;diametric;mircea_popescu: absolutely 480244;1391556104;KRS-;lol lark 480245;1391556106;KRS-;.. 480246;1391556107;ThickAsThieves;the question is 480247;1391556116;ThickAsThieves;Do you even mine Altcoin? 480248;1391556117;chipug;truffles: i don't shave. can't stand the stubble. epilation ftw my balls are as smooth as the day you were born 480249;1391556120;KRS-;thanks haha 480250;1391556124;KRS-;and cheers to ThickAsThieves 480251;1391556140;truffles;hmmm 480252;1391556141;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves "do you even altmine coin" you mean. 480253;1391556151;chipug;i dunno truffles lol i dont have any balls 480254;1391556157;truffles;ha 480255;1391556170;KRS-;lol fag? 480256;1391556184;KRS-;or vag 480257;1391556189;chipug;unich 480258;1391556194;KRS-;hehe 480259;1391556207;ThickAsThieves;eunich? 480260;1391556208;chipug;she has nice bewbs that chick mircea_popescu swear the cars look super old though!!! 480261;1391556219;truffles;there's a harem somewhere needing of ur care 480262;1391556226;chipug;thanks ThickAsThieves you know, i typed it and was sitting thinking, that doesn't look right 480263;1391556237;kakobrekla;truffles gotta slaughter a pig as the right of passage for that 480264;1391556256;truffles;make it 3 480265;1391556265;ThickAsThieves;well, we're all wrong 480266;1391556267;ThickAsThieves;it's Eunuch 480267;1391556287;chipug;it's ok! we can sleep tonight now we know for certain! 480268;1391556297;pankkake;gnu's not unich 480269;1391556349;ThickAsThieves;time for the daily ticks report! 480270;1391556353;herbijudlestoids;haha 480271;1391556355;herbijudlestoids;not yet 480272;1391556358;ThickAsThieves;:) 480273;1391556453;benkay;nice pankkake 480274;1391556517;truffles;what did he make cake? 480275;1391556721;truffles;id like some 480276;1391556912;herbijudlestoids;ok...so does anyone actually want the daily ticks report? :P 480277;1391556918;herbijudlestoids;i dun wanna spam it if people dont care 480278;1391557115;herbijudlestoids;ok...20 tick return dist, volatility, DPO and volume http://imgur.com/q3hWvua,foEGS3c,g9VpbGm,OkRuf5A 480279;1391557228;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 243 @ 0.000824 = 0.2002 BTC [+] 480280;1391557232;kakobrekla;hm 480281;1391557253;kakobrekla;i wonder if i can make herbijudlestoids draw a nice gaussian curve or maybe even a hockey stick 480282;1391557288;chipug;wow /r/bitcoin is just turning into btctalk in a different coat 480283;1391557317;pankkake;it was always worse 480284;1391557319;kakobrekla;without him knowing ofc. 480285;1391557345;kakobrekla;or is that just too evil 480286;1391557345;herbijudlestoids;kakobrekla: i doubt it :) 480287;1391557359;pankkake;top lulz in http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/ 480288;1391557378;kakobrekla;well i doubt i couldnt yea 480289;1391557426;kakobrekla;but i guess the collateral damage is too great. 480290;1391557433;herbijudlestoids;to draw a normal distribution youd need to eliminate points from the dataseries, to kill off the tails 480291;1391557480;kakobrekla;but i can make up any arbitrary new center of the gauss 480292;1391557481;herbijudlestoids;and lets say whatever plan you come up with has an unintended consequence which leads to a vol spike, fat tails again :P 480293;1391557517;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: What about tits? First get him to draw 4 tits, and then make them bigger tits. 480294;1391557525;kakobrekla;:D 480295;1391557527;herbijudlestoids;sure you can, but how will you actually do that in the market 480296;1391557541;herbijudlestoids;im skeptical :) 480297;1391557545;kakobrekla;i dont have to do it on the market ;) 480298;1391557573;herbijudlestoids;cryptic vagueness always helps me feel like i know wtf 480299;1391557583;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: He runs assbot... 480300;1391557592;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids sure. 480301;1391557596;herbijudlestoids;lucky im about to switch to the RSS feed :P 480302;1391557608;kakobrekla;you spoiler you 480303;1391557611;kakobrekla;bb 480304;1391557622;mircea_popescu;people spam naked ladies all the time, what's some bars. 480305;1391557655;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 46 @ 0.00286013 = 0.1316 BTC [+] 480306;1391557709;mircea_popescu;pankkake that shit's epic, they manage to have an entire subreddit dedicated to bitcoinstocks including no actual bitcoin stocks. 480307;1391557719;mircea_popescu;i guess it must be because of all the beef they eat that includes no beef. 480308;1391557802;kakobrekla;vegan blood sausages 480309;1391557803;herbijudlestoids;shame there is no listed options on MPOE 480310;1391557810;herbijudlestoids;it would be great to calculate an MPVIX 480311;1391557885;mircea_popescu;well... wannabe exchanges too busy listing crap. 480312;1391557905;mircea_popescu;maybeoneday.jpg 480313;1391558063;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/1w1jce/ukyo_actm_forms/ << pretty lulzy dramafest. 480314;1391558064;ozbot;Ukyo & ActM forms? : BitcoinStocks 480315;1391558112;herbijudlestoids;S&P500 looking ugly down from highs, but my systemic risk indicator still claiming its a healthy regime... 480316;1391558131;herbijudlestoids;anyone thoughts on the regular economy for this year? 480317;1391558189;mircea_popescu;it's the end of regular economy, this year. 480318;1391558194;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Invert all of the GDPs 480319;1391558213;herbijudlestoids;i dun think the GDP forecasts for this year are pretty 480320;1391558226;herbijudlestoids;i think world GDP forecast <2.5% 480321;1391558283;mircea_popescu;-2.5% ? 480322;1391558326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81052 @ 0.00093378 = 75.6847 BTC [+] {4} 480323;1391558326;ThickAsThieves;can someone load www.havelockinvestments.com currently? 480324;1391558332;ThickAsThieves;it stalls on me constantly 480325;1391558338;ThickAsThieves;i think cloudflare hate me 480326;1391558342;herbijudlestoids;stalling here 480327;1391558434;mircea_popescu;cloudflare is one of the worst things that happened to the internet recently. 480328;1391558444;mircea_popescu;i have no idea why people were so derpy about sopa, 480329;1391558449;mircea_popescu;it wasn't nearly as bad as cloudflare. 480330;1391558678;pankkake;NSAFlare* 480331;1391558725;mircea_popescu;2% ? fucking hell, they cost money and do nothing. 480332;1391558750;mircea_popescu;the same asswipe public that keeps forcing isps to do these "unlimited" bs deals and "everything for fiddy cents" and so on 480333;1391558767;mircea_popescu;those same people turn around and pay cloudlfare to... hijack their dns and talk about "rays' 480334;1391558793;dub;wat 480335;1391558806;dub;rays wat 480336;1391558820;mircea_popescu;dub sorry your message couldn't be delivered because clourflare. ray id 98759847 480337;1391558842;dub;ohj 480338;1391558861;pankkake;2% what? 480339;1391558874;mircea_popescu;pankkake the recent netcraft report actually fucking mentions cloudflare 480340;1391558879;pankkake;oh… 480341;1391558881;pankkake;cloudflare is mostly free by the way 480342;1391558887;mircea_popescu;because that's why i read netcraft reports, for bullshit product placement. 480343;1391558889;pankkake;well, paid by the NSA 480344;1391558903;mircea_popescu;i'm so sick of this pretend fiat capitalism thing they do. 480345;1391558935;mircea_popescu;pankkake i wonder if i could get tor through cloudflare on an amazon server ? 480346;1391559058;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C125T] 317 @ 0.01531827 = 4.8559 BTC [-] 480347;1391559107;kakobrekla;hi philip 480348;1391559120;nubbins`;heh 480349;1391559124;nubbins`;philip is just a test name 480350;1391559149;testname33;hi! 480351;1391559206;mircea_popescu;lol i was thinking the same thing 480352;1391559312;kakobrekla;menstrual cycles all synced up 480353;1391559344;mircea_popescu;hahaha 480354;1391559367;mircea_popescu;i didn't know you still had menstruation in frigid slovenia. 480355;1391559388;Bugpowder;21,000BTC short ITM puts? 480356;1391559393;herbijudlestoids;ok what about Dec 30 2014 BTCUSD price prediction 480357;1391559432;mircea_popescu;ditm 480358;1391559438;Steve__;thats a lot of puts 480359;1391559461;kakobrekla;herbijudlestoids bitbet does that 480360;1391559462;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/ herbijudlestoids 480361;1391559464;ozbot;BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD 480362;1391559466;kakobrekla;... 480363;1391559474;kakobrekla;told ya, its synced up 480364;1391559494;kakobrekla;-assets are now one 480365;1391559522;mircea_popescu;bitcoincube 480366;1391559557;kakobrekla;a few more days and ill set it to +m , we do not need to converse any longer 480367;1391559565;mircea_popescu;#trilema is +m 480368;1391559569;mircea_popescu;nice and peaceful 480369;1391559580;kakobrekla;but there you got all that pussy voices 480370;1391559588;mircea_popescu;yeah 480371;1391559684;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla btw you gotta go tyhrough the bash queue 480372;1391559723;ThickAsThieves;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C125T] 317 @ 0.01531827 = 4.8559 BTC [-] <<< Bugpowder wants to play 480373;1391559752;mircea_popescu;haha is it ? 480374;1391559847;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: heavy lel @ that action bronson video 480375;1391559854;ThickAsThieves;:) 480376;1391559863;nubbins`;what sort of security guard pops up on stage and shoves the performer? 480377;1391559865;ThickAsThieves;that dude sure knows how to rap too 480378;1391559876;nubbins`;after the second shove back, i think the guard realized he was in too deep 480379;1391559901;ThickAsThieves;yeah, some force there 480380;1391559915;nubbins`;funny tho, crowd tossing joints up on stage 480381;1391559917;ThickAsThieves;looked like he might sprout horns and charge 480382;1391559919;nubbins`;he lights them and throws them back 480383;1391559921;nubbins`;lel 480384;1391559931;ThickAsThieves;people have started conspirati to say he hires people to make shit like that happen at his shows 480385;1391559946;ThickAsThieves;not the first time apparently 480386;1391559955;nubbins`;heh 480387;1391559960;ThickAsThieves;either way, nice troll then 480388;1391559964;nubbins`;nod 480389;1391560004;nubbins`;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfP7qK0khuQ 480390;1391560005;ozbot;Action Bronson - "Strictly 4 My Jeeps" (Official Video) - YouTube 480391;1391560012;ThickAsThieves;like MF Doom sending impersonators to play for him 480392;1391560016;nubbins`;more badass than 90% of rap videos 480393;1391560020;nubbins`;hahah yeah 480394;1391560022;nubbins`;imagine that 480395;1391560026;nubbins`;such a burn 480396;1391560052;nubbins`;reminds me of when billy corgan let it slip that he didn't like the way his band played on siamese dream 480397;1391560056;nubbins`;so he re-recorded all their parts himself 480398;1391560070;nubbins`;"hey, remember that landmark piece of pop culture history that you thought you were a part of?" 480399;1391560077;ThickAsThieves;lol 480400;1391560078;nubbins`;"well, turns out you're just a name in the liner notes" 480401;1391560088;ThickAsThieves;we did that in our band once 480402;1391560116;ThickAsThieves;stakes werent nearly as high 480403;1391560129;Bugpowder;Seems like a pretty cheap price 480404;1391560131;nubbins`;nod 480405;1391560191;chipug;my client freaked out. someone swore and mentioned cloudflare 480406;1391560217;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04948998 = 0.2474 BTC [-] 480407;1391560262;chipug;peta? 480408;1391560321;nubbins`;some mining turd 480409;1391560331;nubbins`;peta being an SI prefix, not an acronym 480410;1391560423;dub;ThickAsThieves: kinda like vengaboys throwing wads of cash into crowds 480411;1391560432;dub;but different 480412;1391560557;kakobrekla;lol mircea_popescu, endoftheworld.swf outside, 4 days bash queue UNACEPTABRU 480413;1391560567;kakobrekla;anyway flushed 480414;1391560585;dub;its just a big of climate change, chill out 480415;1391560588;dub;bit* 480416;1391560597;kakobrekla;chill out? its already cool. 480417;1391560610;ThickAsThieves;http://playwithcoin.com/a-land-based-casino-in-cyprus-is-now-accepting-bitcoin/ 480418;1391560611;herbijudlestoids;ff27 out 480419;1391560611;ozbot;A LAND BASED CASINO IN CYPRUS IS NOW ACCEPTING BITCOIN | Play With Coin 480420;1391560612;herbijudlestoids;seems ok 480421;1391560615;ThickAsThieves;caps! 480422;1391560621;dub;land based casino 480423;1391560636;herbijudlestoids;dub: yea as opposed to the floating ones in macau :) 480424;1391560637;ThickAsThieves;air casino been taking btc 480425;1391560644;asciilifeform;what next, the floating, then orbiting casinos? 480426;1391560644;kakobrekla;is dat local area netword daemon ' 480427;1391560651;kakobrekla;network* 480428;1391560675;ThickAsThieves;floating ones on cruises too 480429;1391560690;kakobrekla;aww i been boarded 480430;1391560786;herbijudlestoids;the floating casinos in macau are not very good imho 480431;1391560793;herbijudlestoids;i was in HK not long ago for work 480432;1391560803;ThickAsThieves;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI#t=3150 480433;1391560804;ozbot;Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham - HD - YouTube 480434;1391560805;kakobrekla;yeah they should do bigint casino 480435;1391560808;ThickAsThieves;(live) 480436;1391560823;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: thx! i saw a tweet about it and wanted to watch 480437;1391560830;dub;fuck dat is? 480438;1391560831;nubbins`;ah, i remember nye vs ham 480439;1391560835;nubbins`;that's today? 480440;1391560858;asciilifeform;what qualifies as 'bigint casino'? All bets must be >= 2^64 + 1 ? 480441;1391560858;ThickAsThieves;Ham is going ham 480442;1391560895;asciilifeform;or rather, >= 2^65 480443;1391560896;nubbins`;i like his slides 480444;1391560902;nubbins`;"see? the seven Cs" 480445;1391560905;nubbins`;AHH OK I GET IT 480446;1391560946;ThickAsThieves;it's like debate via ermahgerd 480447;1391560970;ThickAsThieves;like i couldnt even debate this guy 480448;1391560984;ThickAsThieves;cuz i'd hate him for making me take these words seriously 480449;1391561071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20782 @ 0.00093713 = 19.4754 BTC [+] 480450;1391561125;ThickAsThieves;if you acknowledge sin you can make better computer chips 480451;1391561130;ThickAsThieves;tell reddit! 480452;1391561140;mircea_popescu; lol mircea_popescu, endoftheworld.swf outside, 4 days bash queue UNACEPTABRU <<< 480453;1391561143;ThickAsThieves;JesusErupter 480454;1391561145;mircea_popescu;that's just how we roll. 480455;1391561153;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i hear that was mary magdalene. 480456;1391561171;dub;kakobrekla needs to show more commitment to the team 480457;1391561179;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: This is Activemining Ken, the one based in Springfield Missouri? 480458;1391561180;kakobrekla;lol 480459;1391561192;ThickAsThieves;what? 480460;1391561197;ThickAsThieves;this? 480461;1391561216;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Jesus erupters guy. 480462;1391561224;ThickAsThieves;oh, no 480463;1391561229;ThickAsThieves;i'm refering to Ham 480464;1391561235;dub;is he drunk? 480465;1391561241;ThickAsThieves;talking about how if we accept jesus we can make better tech 480466;1391561254;ThickAsThieves;so maybe more hashes! 480467;1391561273;pankkake;jesus multiplies hashes 480468;1391561291;ThickAsThieves;turns water into whine 480469;1391561292;BingoBoingo;But Jesus preaches flatness and poverty. Satan though teaches structure and efficiency. Has he read the Divine Comedy? Hell is nothing if not organized. 480470;1391561294;mircea_popescu;more like "our delivery would be nothing short of miraculous at this pooint " 480471;1391561309;kakobrekla;hashes are like prayers, you dont know what god will use them for as you dont know what Luke-Jr will use them for 480472;1391561343;dub;havent seen much on the bitcoin is the devils one world currency tip 480473;1391561346;jayk;win 3 480474;1391561346;mircea_popescu;no, you kinda know what luje will use them for. 480475;1391561366;mircea_popescu;you just don't really wanna think about it. 480476;1391561385;dub;unless raping your own children is your deal 480477;1391561397;Luke-Jr;still trolling hard in here, I see. 480478;1391561414;nubbins`;^ he's talking about nye vs ham 480479;1391561421;nubbins`;lel 480480;1391561424;mircea_popescu;what's a nye ? 480481;1391561431;nubbins`;bill nye, the science guy! 480482;1391561434;dub;its a bill 480483;1391561442;Luke-Jr;a hardcore evolutionist would-be dictator 480484;1391561443;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you linespoiler you :D 480485;1391561446;pankkake;I thought it was coin nye 480486;1391561448;nubbins`;:D 480487;1391561465;mircea_popescu;this was the perfect plot in my head : dub says its a bill, pankake says i thought its a coin 480488;1391561472;mircea_popescu;now you gotta go ruin my dictatorsheep. 480489;1391561479;nubbins`;we'll have to work on our timing 480490;1391561485;dub;Luke-Jr says evilldooer 480491;1391561498;mircea_popescu;why, is luke dutch ? 480492;1391561523;nubbins`;maybe if he smoked some dutch he'd figure a few things out ;( 480493;1391561559;dub;try not to die in a fire xx 480494;1391561567;nubbins`;wait a minute, i wasn't doing that before. 480495;1391561579;pankkake;my head is kinda eating itself 480496;1391561589;nubbins`;chewing your hair doesn't count 480497;1391561625;dub;mircea_popescu: please tell me you've seen Nell 480498;1391561647;dub;jodie foster at her most fuckable 480499;1391561655;mircea_popescu;i have not seen nell. 480500;1391561659;nubbins`;this bill nye thing is great 480501;1391561659;dub;get to it ffs 480502;1391561667;nubbins`;because he used to have a show explaining science to kids 480503;1391561676;nubbins`;and today he's explaining it to sub-human mouth breathers 480504;1391561684;mircea_popescu;dub i have added it to the list of films the girls will be stealing 480505;1391561694;mircea_popescu;because they wouldn't download a multiplex, or a car. 480506;1391561700;dub;perfect casting too, all she had to do was act retarded! 480507;1391561749;ThickAsThieves;tayaya inna weeen! 480508;1391561791;nubbins`;you can actually see the people in the crowd who just aren't listening 480509;1391561875;nubbins`;tough crowd 480510;1391561884;Duffer1;http://www.businessinsider.com/dogecoin-just-solved-a-problem-bitcoin-will-face-2014-2 480511;1391561886;ozbot;Dogecoin Just Solved A Problem Bitcoin Will Face - Business Insider 480512;1391561905;Duffer1;chocked full of comedy 480513;1391561933;dub;lol 480514;1391561960;BingoBoingo;Dogecoin and Business Insider were made for each other. 480515;1391561972;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 "how to spend money you don't have to pay people nobody reads to say ridiculously stupid shit which is how they got to not be read in the first place" ? 480516;1391561978;mircea_popescu;we've long solved this problem really. 480517;1391562002;mircea_popescu;you take two professional joggers and dress them up in facebook polo shirts. 480518;1391562055;herbijudlestoids;hey Duffer1: on your advice i made the thing into a blog post...aside from a kind word from jurov the response was pretty underwhelming :P http://bitquant.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/just-dice-kelly-criterion-sensitivity.html 480519;1391562066;mircea_popescu;" That's a lot to pay for a single Bitcoin for someone just entering the market. " 480520;1391562069;dub;this is why we ignore australia 480521;1391562073;mircea_popescu;seriously, this is what they write now. 480522;1391562078;pankkake;"Money, like every commodity, works best when the supply can adjust efficiently to the demand." that is EXACTLY bernankoin 480523;1391562088;pankkake;doge is still inflating less each year 480524;1391562106;pankkake;in percent 480525;1391562134;mircea_popescu;pankkake it's fascinating how they completely gloss over the part where one group (the scammers behind it) stole the resources of the rest of the people involved (every idiot that bought some, mined some, or pumped it up until two days ago) 480526;1391562148;mircea_popescu;this happens, of course, tol ALSO be exactly how "normal" fiat currencies like the dollar operate. 480527;1391562175;mircea_popescu;fuck you granpa, so you've worked for thirty years to make the us work ? here's some inflation. enjoy your fixed income. 480528;1391562213;mircea_popescu;and the fact that this will continue happening i nthe future, arbitrarily, is like... splendeed. 480529;1391562222;nubbins`;lel 480530;1391562234;herbijudlestoids;its worse than that mircea_popescu because not all granpas get it equal 480531;1391562241;nubbins`;whenever bill nye mentions science, he makes a gesture that indicates he's talking about things that happen outside the building he's in 480532;1391562241;mircea_popescu;ofcourse. 480533;1391562249;herbijudlestoids;if you started on the fixed income 10y ago, much better than 5y ago 480534;1391562259;Duffer1;herbijudlestoids sorry to hear that mate, do you plan to keep up with the blogging? 480535;1391562273;dignork;somebody wishes to co-rent with me seedbox account? it's 14EU/mo, but I want to pay only half of it. 480536;1391562286;dignork;lol, wrong window 480537;1391562293;herbijudlestoids;Duffer1: i am thinking of writing a piece on the "market implied EPS growth rate" of MPOE, but want to verify the data that i can see on btcalpha 480538;1391562353;Duffer1;i don't know if the audience for that manner of analysis is here yet in bitcoinland, but i bet it will be sometime 480539;1391562383;kakobrekla;pankkake how do bailouts work? 480540;1391562392;herbijudlestoids;well, i did implement one of my simple mean reversion models for MPOE too, maybe a "trade this and get rich quick" blog post will be more persuasive :P 480541;1391562431;Duffer1;yea lol that'd do it, even if your blog was hokus pokus magic it'd still be popular 480542;1391562475;herbijudlestoids;im not doing this for an audience or anything, its all a matter of incidental curiosity, but i thought your suggestion was nice :) 480543;1391562483;mike_c;herbijudlestoids: you have a question about the data on btcalpha? 480544;1391562495;mircea_popescu;did you just stick with braindamaged blogspot and then whine that nobody seems to have noticed ? 480545;1391562500;pankkake;kakobrekla: for now you have to bail yourself out by printing more 480546;1391562507;pankkake;no central authority 480547;1391562518;kakobrekla;hm 480548;1391562527;kakobrekla;thats no bailout 480549;1391562553;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: lol well its not that nobody noticed, the post is *still* getting hits, was referring to a couple of the comments left on /r/BitCoin 480550;1391562562;pankkake;I'll take better ideas for YellenCoin 480551;1391562564;mircea_popescu;oic. 480552;1391562570;kakobrekla;bailout would mean no actual work was done pankkake 480553;1391562582;benkay;herbijudlestoids: https://www.fpcomplete.com/business/blog/moving-quantitative-finance-industry/ 480554;1391562598;herbijudlestoids;mike_c: not a question so much as i dont know who runs/operates the website so i dunno if i can trust the data...just wanted to verify it myself 480555;1391562605;mike_c;i do. 480556;1391562652;mike_c;data is culled from monthly reports on trilema. if you want to verify yourself, there are links to all the monthly reports on the left rail of the stock page 480557;1391562663;herbijudlestoids;dont take offense, how was i supposed to know that :P 480558;1391562669;mike_c;no offense taken 480559;1391562683;mike_c;just trying to help 480560;1391562691;BingoBoingo;pankkake: For Yellencoin increase block reward as the square of the increase in mining difficulty? 480561;1391562711;nubbins`;i'd like to take a public-domain text and then typeset, silkscreen, and bind the entire thing by hand, but i'm having trouble choosing a book 480562;1391562729;nubbins`;not being religious, i can't think of a book i care enough about to put such an enormous amount of effort into 480563;1391562730;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids cause i told you like 3 days ago ? 480564;1391562750;kakobrekla;nubbins` how many pages 480565;1391562751;nubbins`;'through the looking-glass' isn't long enough, know what i mean? 480566;1391562752;herbijudlestoids;that mike_c runs the website? 480567;1391562754;mircea_popescu;yes. 480568;1391562757;pankkake;maybe but still boring… maybe let the users "vote" on what should be the reward 480569;1391562760;nubbins`;kako, not sure. couple hundred max, maybe 480570;1391562760;herbijudlestoids;must have missed it 480571;1391562762;mircea_popescu;yes. 480572;1391562784;herbijudlestoids;benkay: hmmm is there a page on fpcomplete.com which explains what exactly fpcomplete is? :P 480573;1391562785;nubbins`;bonus points if it's something that a person might want to purchase at some point 480574;1391562788;kakobrekla;log is public domain 480575;1391562797;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Maybe do that with the Federalist Papers? For the lulz of selling fancy copies to gringos in the Estados Unidos from Canada. 480576;1391562821;nubbins`;kakobrekla, nice try ;p 480577;1391562826;nubbins`;BingoBoingo, federalist papers? 480578;1391562848;nubbins`;ah, i see 480579;1391562850;dub;the book of assets 480580;1391562860;nubbins`;log isn't really in a suitable format for books 480581;1391562886;dub;thousands of years after the great climate change cleansing a future civilisation will find it and build a religion 480582;1391562901;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.12799999 BTC [+] 480583;1391562904;kakobrekla;ok we do it 480584;1391562911;benkay;also, herbijudlestoids think bout blogging as a long term thing you do - not one-off shots that might bring some fame 480585;1391562913;BingoBoingo;dub: Or alien Archeologists. 480586;1391562935;herbijudlestoids;benkay: i srsly dun want any fame :) 480587;1391562937;benkay;mp suggested blogging as a series of notes to self, as one can't actually remember all the bullshit waded through over a significant period of time. 480588;1391562980;dub;I used to maintain a private wiki for that 480589;1391562981;nubbins`;kakobrekla: not to mention that most of log isn't worth saving in the first place ;p 480590;1391562992;herbijudlestoids;when i said "the response was underwhelming" what i meant was that for ~200 pageviews, there was only a couple of comments from parties and only some of those comments were interesting 480591;1391562999;kakobrekla;wekk a buttcoin can make you famous in a single post benkay 480592;1391563023;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC 480593;1391563034;kakobrekla;i dunno what wekk is doing there 480594;1391563036;benkay;tru nuff 480595;1391563038;kakobrekla;im in bed. 480596;1391563041;mike_c;100:1 readers to commenters isn't bad 480597;1391563082;kakobrekla;nubbins` prolly still best coffe table book, ever. 480598;1391563092;nubbins`;so much chaff tho! 480599;1391563096;mike_c;you gotta include all the images though 480600;1391563102;nubbins`;nah see that won't work 480601;1391563106;nubbins`;could do line art 480602;1391563108;kakobrekla;as ascii 480603;1391563146;nubbins`;hm, a hand-bound book of ascii pornography 480604;1391563151;nubbins`;getting warmer... 480605;1391563170;herbijudlestoids;HAHAH ken ham! 480606;1391563185;herbijudlestoids;he has a chart, which explains to that *moron* bill nye, how moses was 500 years old 480607;1391563188;KRS-;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1x1csq/an_analysis_on_huobicoms_popularity_vs_web/ 480608;1391563188;herbijudlestoids;explains it all. 480609;1391563188;kakobrekla;ascii nekkid chicks with bash quoetes under 480610;1391563189;ozbot;An analysis on Huobi.com's popularity vs web traffic data. : Bitcoin 480611;1391563194;KRS-;oh hey ozbot 480612;1391563196;KRS-;.bait 480613;1391563199;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbz7glE2Ib1qbhsq8o1_500.jpg 480614;1391563207;nubbins`;kako that's actually not bad 480615;1391563214;KRS-;Now her butt is going to smell like that countertop. 480616;1391563222;kakobrekla;sign me up for one 480617;1391563225;kakobrekla;err 480618;1391563227;kakobrekla;10 480619;1391563237;nubbins`;fair warning, these will be expensive 480620;1391563250;kakobrekla;like arm and leg expensive? 480621;1391563261;nubbins`;well it depends on the number of pages 480622;1391563282;nubbins`;but on the scale of several hundred $ per copy 480623;1391563286;nubbins`;if it's any size 480624;1391563305;nubbins`;price decreases drastically with quantity, of cour 480625;1391563306;nubbins`;se 480626;1391563312;herbijudlestoids;ken ham is killing me 480627;1391563331;kakobrekla;any size? 480628;1391563334;dub;do all the john copypastas 480629;1391563339;dub;that shit cracks me up 480630;1391563347;nubbins`;sorry, if it's a significant number of pages :) 480631;1391563361;nubbins`;colloquialism 480632;1391563364;kakobrekla;bash is short 480633;1391563379;nubbins`;i'm thinking one ascii porn image per page 480634;1391563387;nubbins`;with say a couple of quotes 480635;1391563393;nubbins`;below or above 480636;1391563393;kakobrekla;50 quotes or something 480637;1391563397;kakobrekla;25 pages 480638;1391563404;jurov;illuminated letters? 480639;1391563417;nubbins`;2 quotes per page 480640;1391563418;nubbins`;not bad 480641;1391563424;jurov;or how do they call them.. calligraphy 480642;1391563434;kakobrekla;well i was thinking more of - a paper has 2 sides 480643;1391563448;kakobrekla;or you doing one side only 480644;1391563501;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: I assume this is going to be some sweet acid free cotton paper... For Archaeologists? 480645;1391563507;nubbins`;nah, double sided 480646;1391563513;nubbins`;just like a regular book 480647;1391563530;nubbins`;ah, i see, i was picturing a couple of quotes per image 480648;1391563540;dub;fuck that 480649;1391563544;dub;find something funny 480650;1391563548;nubbins`;well natch 480651;1391563553;nubbins`;it's not just assbot 480652;1391563577;nubbins`;okay, so who can produce ascii pornography? 480653;1391563588;dub;I may have a collection 480654;1391563592;asciilifeform;emacs, 'artist mode.' 480655;1391563603;nubbins`;yeah, would need to be original 480656;1391563609;nubbins`;can't lift existing art 480657;1391563621;nubbins`;i suppose we could comb bash for the quotes 480658;1391563679;nubbins`;could even grab some choice gems from the forum 480659;1391563703;kakobrekla;thats not good for dubs chi 480660;1391563706;herbijudlestoids;nubbins`: if you google 'ascii art from images' there is plenty :) 480661;1391563721;herbijudlestoids;plenty of sites that convert images to ascii art, i mean, sorry 480662;1391563728;nubbins`;heh 480663;1391563733;nubbins`;was about to say that's the same problem ;p 480664;1391563739;nubbins`;but yes, this is true 480665;1391563747;nubbins`;those generally produce enormous files tho 480666;1391563764;nubbins`;we're talking something that can fit on say an 8x10" page at 10-12pt font 480667;1391563775;herbijudlestoids;i cannot handle this fuckstick any longer 480668;1391563793;kakobrekla;stop with the slander 480669;1391563799;kakobrekla;n stuff 480670;1391563817;nubbins`;yeah, leave ken ham alone 480671;1391563825;herbijudlestoids;try this one nubbins` http://www.glassgiant.com/ascii/ 480672;1391563827;nubbins`;he's had a bad day 480673;1391563840;herbijudlestoids;ken ham is my countries gift to the world :'( 480674;1391563853;nubbins`;can we re-gift him? 480675;1391563872;herbijudlestoids;no dude, no. 480676;1391563935;herbijudlestoids;lunchtiemz, banh mih i think 480677;1391563967;benkay;no gdp bets on bitbet eh 480678;1391564031;herbijudlestoids;maybe the bitcoin economy should get its own GDP and we can bet on that 480679;1391564059;jurov;if you can think how it would be measured... 480680;1391564063;nubbins`;ham is hamming it up now 480681;1391564064;dub;not going to work 480682;1391564084;dub;you'd be counting the same coin as its restolen over and over from the tardcircle 480683;1391564304;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1331 BTC [+] 480684;1391564708;herbijudlestoids;Gross domestic product (GDP) is the market value of all officially recognized final goods and services produced within a country in a year 480685;1391564743;herbijudlestoids;make a list of whats officially recognised final g/s and calculate then sum their MVs :P 480686;1391564781;herbijudlestoids;could be opinionated and start with just, say, bitstamp, bitpay and MPEX 480687;1391564915;jurov;mpex monthly profit would thengo into gdp? 480688;1391564973;jurov;you'd end with rather low estimate 480689;1391565035;antephialtic;or you could use the quantity theory of money to estimate it. Y = MV where Y is output, M is the size of the money supply, and V is the velocity of money. Both M and V are easily computed in the case of bitcoin 480690;1391565056;jurov;just ask MP, he designated himself as official recognizer of all things btc :D 480691;1391565083;Diablo-D3;yeah mp is just a troll 480692;1391565088;Diablo-D3;best to ignore him 480693;1391565947;chipug;who is still around? 480694;1391565977;copumpkin;not me, certainly 480695;1391565980;chipug;was hoping for some opinions 480696;1391565990;chipug;aw shame was really hoping you were still there copumpkin 480697;1391565995;chipug;:P 480698;1391565998;copumpkin;sorry! 480699;1391566234;dub;show switch 480700;1391566250;ron-;what are you showing? 480701;1391566259;dub;pnix 480702;1391566263;ron-;no! 480703;1391566315;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/ 480704;1391566316;ozbot;Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptib 480705;1391566321;dub;use image prim 480706;1391566326;dub;oh ffs 480707;1391566329;mircea_popescu;Μούσα, τραγούδα το θυμό του ξακουστού Αχιλέα,τον έρμο! etc 480708;1391566350;ron-;oh, that must be romanian? 480709;1391566376;mircea_popescu;no, that must be greek. 480710;1391566377;dub;thats quite the uri 480711;1391566379;ron-;aha 480712;1391566387;ron-;it does look greek i should know my character sets :`( 480713;1391566388;mircea_popescu;and you mustn't have liked it much in school. 480714;1391566411;ron-;only yogurt and greek goddesses 480715;1391566413;ron-;:-) 480716;1391566415;mircea_popescu;:p 480717;1391566439;chipug;it looks really nice 480718;1391566460;BingoBoingo;The Illiad ron- 480719;1391566470;mircea_popescu;the first sentence. 480720;1391566490;chipug;in a subscription crypto service, what would you want as necessity? 480721;1391566519;mircea_popescu;what's the service ? 480722;1391566530;chipug;like motley 480723;1391566534;chipug;but crypto 480724;1391566551;dub;fuck is motly 480725;1391566561;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 480726;1391566568;chipug;motley fool? 480727;1391566606;chipug;http://www.fool.co.uk/ 480728;1391566611;BingoBoingo;Like Trilema? 480729;1391566636;chipug;not really more interactive 480730;1391566639;mircea_popescu;<KRS-> Now her butt is going to smell like that countertop. << i'd be more worried about the reverse tbh 480731;1391566710;mircea_popescu;antephialtic how do you calculate bitcoinv? 480732;1391566793;mircea_popescu;trilema is not interactive ?! 480733;1391566820;BingoBoingo;Trilema get subscribers. 480734;1391566825;mircea_popescu;but anyway, if memory serves that thing started as a blog and became subscription based after building a base 480735;1391566859;mircea_popescu;so do the same thing, write a lot of smart insightful stuff, once you have a ton of readers add a subscription, wait for the cheapskates to butthurt away and that's that. 480736;1391566940;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Don't forget the form for selling credits 480737;1391566945;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the doge folly makes me wonder, what the 'greater fleas' that must surely come, will look like. 480738;1391566994;asciilifeform;i can easily picture, for example, a 'revolutionary! amazing! genuinely Alt' coin, with subtly pre-broken crypto. 480739;1391566994;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 480740;1391567012;BingoBoingo;http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=27 480741;1391567014;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets bash 480742;1391567021;asciilifeform;(it won't be ECC, it'll be some very spiffy looking lattice work or the like.) 480743;1391567027;antephialtic;mircea_popescu: bitcoin days destroyed is a decent estimate 480744;1391567032;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's likely actually 480745;1391567040;mircea_popescu;antephialtic how do you reason to come to this conclusion ? 480746;1391567049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00093713 = 13.3072 BTC [+] 480747;1391567084;chipug;thanks guys, you know mircea_popescu i think im currently in the waiting for the butthurt folk to piss off lol 480748;1391567091;asciilifeform;more likely than borked crypto is 'underhanded c contest' shenanigans. 480749;1391567094;mircea_popescu;what's your blog ? 480750;1391567101;BingoBoingo;antephialtic: What if someone moves 100K coins from one storage address to another to lessen the chance the coins are on an address that gets vanitygen'd 480751;1391567105;asciilifeform;once we get an 'alt-artist' who is actually conversant in basic c 480752;1391567126;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is somewhat like asking for a showgirl that's read the classics. 480753;1391567163;dub;I am disappoint that you're giving it air 480754;1391567167;asciilifeform;not a physical impossibility, by any means 480755;1391567171;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13499999 BTC [+] 480756;1391567173;dub;its just teh same old brain damage 480757;1391567176;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform merely a mental impossibility :) 480758;1391567191;mircea_popescu;dub i bet you 90% of the ppl who read it because it's about doge never heard of dump and dillute. 480759;1391567195;chipug;not a blog, its a chat site. i took on coinchat and totally changed direction. its a bit dead now 480760;1391567213;mircea_popescu;how can a chat site compete with irc ?! 480761;1391567222;dub;that trilemna articicle is the single biggest peice of press todate 480762;1391567223;chipug;cus we have pictures! 480763;1391567224;asciilifeform;i dare to predict: there will come a slick charlatan who will 'improve! the crypto!' 480764;1391567225;chipug;and cats 480765;1391567238;asciilifeform;subtle mathematical boojum in the signing, or, more cleverly, a mining shortcut 480766;1391567248;mircea_popescu;dub "life is sweat and blood and making love to a woman you don't know and nobody prints your name in trilema until the day you die" 480767;1391567251;mircea_popescu;oslt. 480768;1391567254;asciilifeform;'you read it here first' 480769;1391567255;antephialtic;mircea_popescu: actually that is incorrect. A better measure the amount of bitcoin transferred over a given period/the length of the time period. Very noisy measure, but using a larger time period smooths it out 480770;1391567262;antephialtic;* better measure is 480771;1391567271;mircea_popescu;how do you know it smooths out ? 480772;1391567277;BingoBoingo;.bait 480773;1391567279;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0ds2hCmeQ1r75b29o1_500.jpg 480774;1391567285;BingoBoingo;Picture! 480775;1391567293;chipug;i see what you did there 480776;1391567313;chipug;man i want her shoes 480777;1391567342;mircea_popescu;someone was talking about my editor ? she's just said to me : "The price of Dogecoin, the worlds third most traded cyrptocurrency / did they seriously publish "cyrptocurrency"?" 480778;1391567359;mircea_popescu;i think this is memeworthy. the business insider cyrpt occurency. 480779;1391567362;asciilifeform;this is almost on part with the chinese 'ipnohe'. 480780;1391567374;asciilifeform;*on par 480781;1391567384;chipug;lolol 480782;1391567386;antephialtic;mircea_popescu: see this chart (https://blockchain.info/charts/estimated-transaction-volume?showDataPoints=false×pan=&show_header=true&daysAverageString=7), and try increasing the daysAverageString in the url 480783;1391567387;BingoBoingo;Maybe Dogecoin gets a Haircut like Cyprto depositors did 480784;1391567398;mircea_popescu;antephialtic aha. and ? 480785;1391567448;mircea_popescu;someone should make a papp to bring cyrpt to the ipnohe. 480786;1391567495;asciilifeform;cyprtocurrency. 480787;1391567531;mircea_popescu;maybe it's time for the finchcoin. cirp-cirp-urrency 480788;1391567570;ron-;does the bitcoin source on bitcoin.org allow you to generate your own custom coins? 480789;1391567577;ron-;or just client only? 480790;1391567585;mircea_popescu;with a little awk-ing it should. 480791;1391567588;asciilifeform;seriously, where are the true masters of the satanic arts. any day now there ought to appear, out of nowhere, an 'alt' genuinely better in every way. written in 50kB of nice, clean whatever. with shiny and apparently flawless, Shor-resistant crypto 480792;1391567589;ron-;oh 480793;1391567592;asciilifeform;with subtle bug... 480794;1391567593;BingoBoingo;So many things for benkay to derive revenue from if only altgen.io 480795;1391567594;ron-;i compiled it 480796;1391567623;antephialtic;mircea_popescu: have you looked at counterparty at all? 480797;1391567631;ron-;problem loading altgen 480798;1391567635;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the one advantage of all the idiots being on the field is that the smart people kinda tend to just stick into the same team. 480799;1391567650;mircea_popescu;antephialtic if you expect to justify a theoretical model by the effect it has on data you are living in a state of sin. 480800;1391567667;ron-;it took me a while to compile the client, i dislike lib boost :| 480801;1391567694;ron-;well i suppose it is a server too 480802;1391567724;mircea_popescu;there's an entire rpc boondoogle. 480803;1391567738;antephialtic;antephialtic: well, in that case I'm living in a state of sin anyway because velocity is traditionally computed from output and money supply. The idea that one can measure it empirically is not really seen in mainstream economics, as far as I can tell from a brief review of the literature 480804;1391567749;ron-;it was worth doing 480805;1391567757;ron-;1.5 hrs maybe 480806;1391567769;ron-;make -j 1200 480807;1391567770;asciilifeform;i'm entirely unconvinced that the smart people are automatically on one team. 480808;1391567770;ron-;jk 480809;1391567772;mircea_popescu;antephialtic the problem, as BingoBoingo pointed out to you, is that in your model the greatest economic activity will occur whenever a major holder moves cold wallets. 480810;1391567776;asciilifeform;just that 'the beautiful ones are not yet born.' 480811;1391567788;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know what happens to quarreling dogs once they see a wolf ? 480812;1391567798;KRS-;.bait 480813;1391567800;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4oaddFTtw1qk6jw7o1_500.jpg 480814;1391567807;asciilifeform;they run? 480815;1391567811;KRS-;Cool thanks ozbot..ttyl 480816;1391567817;KRS-;...fapfapfap 480817;1391567817;mircea_popescu;they quit bickering. 480818;1391567832;mircea_popescu;if they run or if they fight, they're doing it together. 480819;1391567853;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/2-oscar-winners-join-tv-adaptation-of-the-book-of-negroes-1.2523057 480820;1391567855;ozbot;2 Oscar winners join TV adaptation of The Book of Negroes - Toronto - CBC News 480821;1391567859;antephialtic;yes, I'm still thinking about a better way to measure velocity. If a good one is found it would be possible to create an altcoin with an algorithmic central bank that adjusts the block reward dynamically to target a certain output growth. 480822;1391567875;nubbins`;kakobrekla ^ 480823;1391567878;mircea_popescu;antephialtic which is kind-of why i believe it fundamentally can not be measured. 480824;1391567890;mircea_popescu;you gotta give something to get something, always. 480825;1391567938;mircea_popescu;think about for a minute : i could hijack your bank's printing press just by moving my coins around ? sweet moses on a stick, this is like USD 2.0 480826;1391568016;antephialtic;yes, I agree that the concept has major game theoretic issues. But a coin that solved this issue would be useful primarily as a medium of exchange, rather than as a store of value. 480827;1391568072;mircea_popescu;why do you think the fiat role as a medium of exchange needs fixing ? 480828;1391568095;mircea_popescu;i like going aboutg with a wad of cash. works fine. 480829;1391568138;antephialtic;well, I have doubts about the long-term viability 480830;1391568142;antephialtic;of the US dollar. 480831;1391568156;mircea_popescu;right, sure. but some other scrip 480832;1391568158;mircea_popescu;what diff does it make. 480833;1391568164;nubbins`;IOUs! 480834;1391568176;mircea_popescu;you can make vanity money with your face on them 480835;1391568181;nubbins`;promissory notes 480836;1391568183;mircea_popescu;as long as you redeem them for btc... they're as good as anything 480837;1391568231;mircea_popescu;in short, the medium of exchange function of the currency is a minor. 480838;1391568239;mircea_popescu;Nadia_Comaneci du-te tu ? 480839;1391568256;Nadia_Comaneci;hi 480840;1391568356;chipug;i guess i should get a cryptsy account to get rid of these flipping dogecoins huh 480841;1391568397;mircea_popescu;just tip them to people. 480842;1391568480;herbijudlestoids;lol mircea_popescu you are literally the FOFOA of bitcoin, where s/physical gold/bitcoin/ 480843;1391568498;asciilifeform;but who is the F00F of bitcoin. 480844;1391568498;mircea_popescu;what's a fofoa ? 480845;1391568512;herbijudlestoids;the freegold guy 480846;1391568517;mircea_popescu;oh. 480847;1391568520;herbijudlestoids;fofoa.blogspot.com (don't hate me for blogspot) 480848;1391568530;mircea_popescu;now we see where you get your bad examples 480849;1391568535;herbijudlestoids;:P 480850;1391568536;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, you mention in a couple of articles that bitcoin is deflationary rather than inflationary, and then point to the increasing supply as evidence of this 480851;1391568539;asciilifeform;http://www.rcollins.org/ddj/May98/F00FBug.html 480852;1391568540;ozbot;The Pentium F00F Bug 480853;1391568547;mircea_popescu;believe it or not, my sum total interest for metals (precious and industrial) pre 2010 was pretty much nil. 480854;1391568558;mircea_popescu;i've looked into it since mostly to try and understand wtf is with these people 480855;1391568572;mircea_popescu;but i'm still kinda clueless. 480856;1391568585;herbijudlestoids;well, i would say freegold completely discounts and (if you believe in it) discredits all the goldbug hypothesis bullshit thats out there 480857;1391568586;mircea_popescu;nubbins` did you dyslexia there ? 480858;1391568596;nubbins`;er, sorry, yes 480859;1391568601;nubbins`;the opposite 480860;1391568603;mircea_popescu;aha k. 480861;1391568603;nubbins`;:( 480862;1391568619;nubbins`;i don't get it 480863;1391568627;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: try this one on for size, his articles are quite long but IMHO absolutely worth it (there is a part 2 if you find it interesting enough) http://fofoa.blogspot.com.au/2011/11/moneyness.html 480864;1391568637;mircea_popescu;kay. 480865;1391568640;nubbins`;inflation refers to good increasing in price 480866;1391568651;nubbins`;not necessarily because of an expansion of the money supply 480867;1391568656;nubbins`;although that's usually the cause 480868;1391568677;asciilifeform;nubbins`: or, more subtly, failing to decrease in price. 480869;1391568686;nubbins`;sure, yes. 480870;1391568695;mircea_popescu;nubbins` inflation has nothing to do with price. 480871;1391568696;asciilifeform;(when applicable - 'moore's law' and sequelae, etc) 480872;1391568699;nubbins`;but x bitcoins buys more goods over time 480873;1391568701;mircea_popescu;inflation is a discussion of monetary base. 480874;1391568718;mircea_popescu;if tomorrow i invent a new way to make cakes, and cake prices drop 95% 480875;1391568728;mircea_popescu;this does not mean there's been inflation in the currency 480876;1391568733;mircea_popescu;(perhaps in the cakes, i guess) 480877;1391568744;herbijudlestoids;^ 480878;1391568755;nubbins`;sure, but inflation refers to the general increase 480879;1391568758;chipug;asshole scams me for 1.6btc > denies it > emails for the new website url = areyoufuckingshittingme? feel like emailing back saying sure thing fuckwit, url costs 1.6BTC 480880;1391568759;nubbins`;not any one specific item 480881;1391568761;mircea_popescu;of the monetary base. 480882;1391568767;asciilifeform;but if the crown decides to crank up the printing press until cakes cost the same... 480883;1391568772;nubbins`;you can't say that there's deflation because pumpkins are cheap on november 1. 480884;1391568795;mircea_popescu;prices aren't a reference point for inflation tho, this is like saying she's a good lay cause she's a redhead. 480885;1391568801;herbijudlestoids;nubbins`: the modern definition of inflation is bullshit, its hedonistically adjusted and the general price includes all sorts of nonsense, which is completely disparately defined across countries 480886;1391568807;mircea_popescu;people say it all the time, but what of it. 480887;1391568816;nubbins`;sure 480888;1391568842;nubbins`;i can't speak to past definitions, but everything i'm reading says that the thing which is inflating is the price of goods 480889;1391568846;herbijudlestoids;soooo...defining inflation as a general price level increase is extremely fuzzy 480890;1391568856;mircea_popescu;well you're reading business insider then 480891;1391568859;nubbins`;heh 480892;1391568865;nubbins`;hey now 480893;1391568948;nubbins`;okay, so if inflationary/deflationary is out 480894;1391568968;nubbins`;how do you verbally differentiate between a currency where purchasing power increases over time, and one where it decreases? 480895;1391568973;nubbins`;(no saucy answers plz) 480896;1391568987;mircea_popescu;purchasing power in what sense ? 480897;1391568990;mircea_popescu;as opposed to another ? 480898;1391569049;nubbins`;say, herpcoins where it's cheaper to buy an apple tomorrow than today 480899;1391569057;nubbins`;or derpdollars where it's cheaper to buy the apple today 480900;1391569069;herbijudlestoids;also purchasing power is a better proxy than inflation, because you can have inflation where the purchasing power of a dollar goes up, but also inflatoin where the purchasing power of a dollar goes down 480901;1391569100;mircea_popescu;nubbins` what's wrong with just saying "herpcoins has increased ppp and derpd's has decreased ppp ?" 480902;1391569115;nubbins`;i don't know how much apple i get, that's what's wrong 480903;1391569116;herbijudlestoids;^ 480904;1391569121;mircea_popescu;wait what ?! 480905;1391569124;nubbins`;haha 480906;1391569127;mircea_popescu;these are macro discussions 480907;1391569133;mircea_popescu;why do you expect they do anything to any one apple ? 480908;1391569151;nubbins`;how many apples are in the bag i'm buying, whatever 480909;1391569164;herbijudlestoids;then what he is saying is correct nubbins` 480910;1391569173;herbijudlestoids;because you are only asking about PP, not inflation! 480911;1391569177;nubbins`;sure 480912;1391569199;mircea_popescu;for that matter, how do you know it's the currency ? 480913;1391569205;herbijudlestoids;^ 480914;1391569209;mircea_popescu;maybe derpland has a bumper apple crop and herpfields a shortage. 480915;1391569221;mircea_popescu;maybe the one yearly boat taking apples from d to h sunk that year 480916;1391569232;mircea_popescu;i mean wtf, how did you end up pinning the world on the currency ? 480917;1391569238;nubbins`;well until five minutes ago i laboured under the impression that a 'deflationary currency' was one where the purchasing power increased over time (i.e. the cost of goods decreases) 480918;1391569255;herbijudlestoids;i wonder if i invited FOFOA to chat here he would come 480919;1391569257;mircea_popescu;ok, but this is a very naive approach 480920;1391569262;nubbins`;but i think i've just never thought this through 480921;1391569263;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids so invite him 480922;1391569274;nubbins`;who's to say purchasing power is constant over time, etc 480923;1391569275;mircea_popescu;nubbins` do you think on average bigger cars are faster ? 480924;1391569288;nubbins`;hm 480925;1391569289;herbijudlestoids;nubbins`: it is not constant. varies in a nonstationary path 480926;1391569291;mircea_popescu;i mean to some very general degree this'd perhaps be true... 480927;1391569303;mircea_popescu;at least within some margins... 480928;1391569308;nubbins`;okay, no, i definitely had my cart before my horse here 480929;1391569308;mircea_popescu;but srsly. they're not that related. 480930;1391569337;herbijudlestoids;nubbins`: http://www.oecd.org/std/prices-ppp/purchasingpowerparitiespppsdata.htm :) 480931;1391569352;nubbins`;tbh i never thought about it much until recently 480932;1391569353;mircea_popescu;well so good for you 480933;1391569395;nubbins`;not really ;( 480934;1391569400;mircea_popescu;why not ? 480935;1391569426;nubbins`;well who knows what i'd have ended up thinking about if i'd gotten it right the first time 480936;1391569435;mircea_popescu;lmao 480937;1391569441;nubbins`;the lost opportunities! 480938;1391569441;mircea_popescu;this is inflationary thinking. 480939;1391569447;jborkl;Mircea, you know I love your writing. I am not very verbose but in a non competitive way bcoinews.com . I printed that first :) 480940;1391569451;nubbins`;wait, you're saying bigger brains aren't smarter? 480941;1391569453;nubbins`;;D 480942;1391569465;mircea_popescu;jborkl which one you mean ? 480943;1391569478;jborkl;The dogecoin one 480944;1391569481;mircea_popescu;ah 480945;1391569489;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1425 BTC [+] 480946;1391569493;mircea_popescu;hey, did i get you on the blogs list ? 480947;1391569507;jborkl;No? 480948;1391569515;mircea_popescu;i didn't. let's fix. 480949;1391569538;jborkl;Ok sounds good 480950;1391569562;dub;you big tim now 480951;1391569565;dub;time* 480952;1391569568;mircea_popescu;You tried to visit bcoinews.com, which is not loading. 480953;1391569569;dub;on the mp blogroll 480954;1391569571;mircea_popescu;hm, is it down ? 480955;1391569611;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.145 = 0.29 BTC [+] 480956;1391569622;jborkl;Bcoinnews.com my bad typo 480957;1391569781;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/#comment-97937 480958;1391569782;ozbot;People have made blogs pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 480959;1391569785;mircea_popescu;there you go ;) 480960;1391569907;jborkl;I feel honored to be mentioned on there, really. Thanks Mp 480961;1391569987;mircea_popescu;hehe. took a break there for a few, did you ? 480962;1391570046;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids you know like i was saying to diametric the other day, this article gets a lot of wordcount mileage out of the banal 480963;1391570049;mircea_popescu;nttawwt. 480964;1391570077;jborkl;Yes, regular fiat business is booming and all the hardware I have has been taking up time basically tuning each chip 480965;1391570105;chipug;i pick the articles for their titles, not gonna lie :) 480966;1391570109;mircea_popescu;lol 480967;1391570115;mircea_popescu;found any good ones ? 480968;1391570123;chipug;so many! 480969;1391570123;jborkl;I have a November jupiter up to 1th 480970;1391570139;mircea_popescu;jborkl mining huh. that great timewaster. 480971;1391570145;chipug;why do gentlemen prefer blondes? (I'm brunette - had to read lol - very good ) 480972;1391570150;jborkl;Yeah it sucks 480973;1391570152;mircea_popescu;wait, you're a chick ? 480974;1391570160;chipug;yep 480975;1391570171;chipug;thats why all the bait pics ive been mentioning the shoes.... 480976;1391570179;jborkl;Lol 480977;1391570193;mircea_popescu;well good for you 480978;1391570200;mircea_popescu;i didn't even know girls were allowed here. 480979;1391570210;chipug;probably not, i'm good at getting into bother 480980;1391570219;chipug;sorry if im in the way 480981;1391570226;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: some more than others, depends on who the target audience is 480982;1391570231;mircea_popescu;haha i wouldn't say that, 480983;1391570233;jborkl;Don't go into OTC and announce you are a chick. 480984;1391570263;asciilifeform;i did think that mpoe-pr lurks hidden somewhere here. 480985;1391570267;chipug;forumites like to wind me up about it 480986;1391570307;chipug;she has a good job 480987;1391570309;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform chetty is actually a girl too, the eulora chief of tech 480988;1391570337;asciilifeform;m-pr is a titan: 480989;1391570338;asciilifeform;http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/ 480990;1391570340;ozbot;Shall be Delivered | The Whet 480991;1391570376;ThickAsThieves;she said forumites, she's okay in my book 480992;1391570393;jborkl;Chipug, you Romanian also or VPN into a To freenode server 480993;1391570393;ThickAsThieves;i cant believe that text from Business Insider.. 480994;1391570434;dub;think about vexual then realise the writer shares the same broken piece of genome 480995;1391570477;mircea_popescu;except vexual actually comes up with pretty good shit now and again 480996;1391570482;chipug;neither jborkl I am a scot 480997;1391570490;chipug;lol thanks ThickAsThieves 480998;1391570501;herbijudlestoids;i just looked it up ThickAsThieves 480999;1391570508;herbijudlestoids;the quote from ripple founder is retarded 481000;1391570536;herbijudlestoids;bitcoin does not have a fixed supply, i am sure if the price goes up to $1,000,000,000,000 some supply will come out of the woodwork 481001;1391570536;mircea_popescu;there's a Department of Retarded Quotes somewhere, fucking shit up. 481002;1391570545;jborkl;Ha, ripple is now some type of retarded charity now 481003;1391570546;ThickAsThieves;when did bitcoin stop responding to demand? 481004;1391570548;ThickAsThieves;i dont get it 481005;1391570552;mircea_popescu;i swear the proportion of good to retarded quotes i read can not be explained away statistically. 481006;1391570564;chipug;what was that random site that has irc quotes? 481007;1391570569;herbijudlestoids;are you adjusting for the avg IQ mircea_popescu? 481008;1391570573;herbijudlestoids;chipug: bash.org? 481009;1391570580;chipug;thats the one! thanks! 481010;1391570584;mircea_popescu;bash.bitcoin-assets.com ye heretic 481011;1391570599;asciilifeform;if by 'out of the woodwork' one means 'ECDSA crypto-break using Advanced Magic'... 481012;1391570607;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids HOW do you adjust for average iq 481013;1391570609;mircea_popescu;there's no iq. 481014;1391570614;herbijudlestoids;asciilifeform: i just meant, higher prices can entice supply 481015;1391570616;jborkl;Well you have to divide IQ by # of sock puppet accts 481016;1391570628;jborkl;So it is almost 0 481017;1391570640;herbijudlestoids;therefore the supply is not fixed, its just constrained by price 481018;1391570650;herbijudlestoids;(like gold :P) 481019;1391570657;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids they really go over the deep end with this "fixed" bs. 481020;1391570667;mircea_popescu;as if the total heat differential i nthe universe weren't ALSO fixed. 481021;1391570668;ThickAsThieves;the US basically perverted advertising to the degree people are at least part salesman, or part sucker. it's a sad play but so many parts to fill. 481022;1391570678;mircea_popescu;it's just... kids that grew up without any limits having psychological issues. 481023;1391570698;chipug;who does the log keeping for here? not every channel has a log do they? 481024;1391570708;mircea_popescu;see the topic eh ? 481025;1391570716;ThickAsThieves;the republik of kakobrekla 481026;1391570717;herbijudlestoids;chipug: i get paid 0.0000001 doge every day to maintain them 481027;1391570727;herbijudlestoids;its an arduous job but someone has to do 481028;1391570734;chipug;sounds like a killer deal man 481029;1391570753;herbijudlestoids;its my whole reason for living 481030;1391570764;mircea_popescu;doge can has fractions ?! 481031;1391570777;chipug;but just think of your life rolling round your doge riches..... in 2080 481032;1391570804;jborkl;No, they no do maths good. Amazing 481033;1391570805;chipug;think they are pups mircea_popescu 481034;1391570806;herbijudlestoids;hahahahahaha pooorr github user "MadCold"...he wants recourse against an open source software developer for modifying his code 481035;1391570818;herbijudlestoids;this is as good as the bill nye vs ham thing 481036;1391570844;mircea_popescu;chipug they even allow brunettes in scotland ? 481037;1391570855;chipug;0 481038;1391570864;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids waitwhat ?! 481039;1391570881;mircea_popescu;plz to tip him a doge. 481040;1391570898;herbijudlestoids;" I still demand [Palmer] answer for what he's doing to ruin the DogeCoin currency." " 481041;1391570909;herbijudlestoids;he must answer! 481042;1391570915;ThickAsThieves;what will the answer do? 481043;1391570928;ThickAsThieves;cure the hope? 481044;1391570947;mircea_popescu;lol 481045;1391570964;mircea_popescu;palmer knows what he's doing. 481046;1391570973;mircea_popescu;"for the good of the country everyone's gold must be confiscated" 481047;1391570978;mircea_popescu;"it's either that or we're bankrupt" 481048;1391571033;jborkl;Print more, that fixes all problems. Signed by the treasury 481049;1391571057;ThickAsThieves;maybe we should make a coin that isnt a coin, just percentages 481050;1391571057;mircea_popescu;all the problems of bitcoin, resolved! 481051;1391571074;ThickAsThieves;that way you know whats important 481052;1391571087;ThickAsThieves;your % of worth in the world 481053;1391571093;mircea_popescu;that's... bitcoin. 481054;1391571101;ThickAsThieves;yeah but it has decimals 481055;1391571103;jborkl;Yep, just like that- that is divisible is not important 481056;1391571103;mircea_popescu;owning a bitcoin simply means 1/12mn or w/e 481057;1391571103;ThickAsThieves;so complicated 481058;1391571104;chipug;lol sorry lay on keyboard hence the 0; mircea_popescu i got smuggled in, was born in holland :P 481059;1391571143;mircea_popescu;i wonder what the best github drama to date was 481060;1391571154;mircea_popescu;they really should run drama contests, like a pageant. 481061;1391571157;mircea_popescu;hire jerry springer. 481062;1391571160;chipug;lololol 481063;1391571162;chipug;yes 481064;1391571168;ThickAsThieves;i'm telling you man 481065;1391571176;mircea_popescu;"and then he said, I MUST EXPLAIN!!1" and I closed the pull request. 481066;1391571177;ThickAsThieves;this is nouveau performance art 481067;1391571199;chipug;what am i missing? 481068;1391571210;mircea_popescu;chipug what do you do for a living ? 481069;1391571225;chipug;exist atm mircea_popescu 481070;1391571230;ThickAsThieves;i guess i should learn all 3 words in french 481071;1391571242;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves nouveau arte forestiere. 481072;1391571252;chipug;i used to be a hospital admin in a psychitric hospital for almost 8 years but they fuckedme over 481073;1391571258;ThickAsThieves;thank you sir 481074;1391571259;mircea_popescu;ok, so then you missed what github is. 481075;1391571271;dub;inb4 'would you be interested in taking insertion photos' 481076;1391571286;mircea_popescu;unlikely cause BingoBoingo seems asleep 481077;1391571293;chipug;LOL 481078;1391571295;chipug;man please 481079;1391571298;chipug;that picture 481080;1391571307;chipug;that was my first day on irc! my eyes 481081;1391571333;chipug;he is so proud of it too lol 481082;1391571492;Duffer1;http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/175950-revolutionary-new-cryptography-tool-could-make-software-unhackable 481083;1391571494;ozbot;Revolutionary new cryptography tool could make software unhackable | ExtremeTech 481084;1391571524;ThickAsThieves;S.NSA crash incoming! 481085;1391571540;Duffer1;s.nsa most valuable company ever 481086;1391571596;ThickAsThieves;nice to meet another reasonable man 481087;1391571638;chipug;unhackable for how long... til someone works it out? 481088;1391571654;ThickAsThieves;all things are what they are til they arent 481089;1391571679;Duffer1;till the nsa intercepts all packages of box manufacturers and replaces them with compromised versions before sending them on 481090;1391571680;mircea_popescu;ha, fu, same principle. 481091;1391571714;ThickAsThieves;I get all my anti-spy gear from the NSA 481092;1391571719;chipug;that's what i find so funny about people talking about bitcoin safety and hacking... it's all a continual cycle nowadays and that won't change. like leapfrog 481093;1391571728;chipug;lol ThickAsThieves XD 481094;1391571860;asciilifeform;homomorphic crypto seems to have the ancient appeal of other proven impossibilities, like perpetuum mobile. 481095;1391571910;mircea_popescu;i bet you we will have a major breakthrough in homomorphisms before we have one in quantum computing. 481096;1391571932;asciilifeform;the original turd: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2014/02/cryptography-breakthrough/all/ 481097;1391571935;asciilifeform;see 1st comment, by author 481098;1391571939;asciilifeform;(horrified author) 481099;1391571980;mircea_popescu;disqus is nullrouted onthis system 481100;1391571993;asciilifeform;Amit Sahai a day ago 481101;1391571993;asciilifeform;I am a co-author of the research quoted in the article. I realize it is likely pointless to write this comment in an Internet forum, but let me attempt to clarify the situation, in the hope that some thoughtful participants will find it useful. Please note: I will not be monitoring this forum in the future. If you are a researcher, please feel free to contact me. 481102;1391571993;asciilifeform;1) The title is misleading: secure obfuscation does not necessarily create "unhackable" software, whatever that means. 481103;1391571994;asciilifeform;2) Secure obfuscation is a mathematical term of art. It is unfortunate that the word "obfuscation" has an ordinary meaning that is very different than what we mean. An analogy might be the word "countable" which for mathematicians usually refers to infinite sets, while lay readers would likely not think this way. 481104;1391571998;asciilifeform;3) The right way to think of what secure obfuscation allows is to create, *under many technical conditions*, software that has secrets built into it. These secrets are used by the software to compute output, and yet the secrets remain hidden even if an attacker obtains the entire machine-level code of the software, which of course the attacker could run and analyze. Thus the attacker would be able to *use* the 481105;1391572003;asciilifeform;secrets only in the way that the software allows, but not recover these secrets in any way beyond that. 481106;1391572003;nubbins`;but how do you have disqussions? 481107;1391572006;asciilifeform;4) In no direct way does secure obfuscation have anything to with DRM, software copy protection, etc. 481108;1391572009;asciilifeform;5) Obfuscation is really a terrible name, but unfortunately it is the mathematical term that has become widely used in the academic (non-hacker) community. 481109;1391572012;asciilifeform;6) All of this is based on mathematical computational assumptions, which may be proven false by future algorithmic advances. 481110;1391572015;asciilifeform;- end quote 481111;1391572054;asciilifeform;naturally, we have the boojum: '...the attacker would be able to *use* the secrets only in the way that the software allows...' 481112;1391572062;mircea_popescu;turns out it wasn't pointless! 481113;1391572116;asciilifeform;so let's say you have a homomorphic turd that signs arbitrary giblets with your key (which, for the sake of argument, assume cannot be extracted, as claimed) 481114;1391572125;mircea_popescu;ok 481115;1391572140;asciilifeform;and on top of that, is only willing to sign giblets beginning with 1. 481116;1391572149;asciilifeform;so fine. i extract the turd and feed it whatever i like 481117;1391572177;herbijudlestoids;giblets? :D 481118;1391572186;mircea_popescu;it's a term of art. 481119;1391572204;herbijudlestoids;no, i meant, would he like to feed his turd giblets :P 481120;1391572212;asciilifeform;there is already a hard impossibility proof of turing-complete computation in a homomorphic turd. 481121;1391572219;mircea_popescu;that there is. 481122;1391572228;mircea_popescu;however! 481123;1391572235;mircea_popescu;you wouldn't be necessarily running a compiler there 481124;1391572243;asciilifeform;so you're stuck with some special-case exotica, that idiots will inevitably embed in conventional code. 481125;1391572249;mircea_popescu;and the case of futzing non-recursively with data is not covered. 481126;1391572295;asciilifeform;the whole field appears to be funded by the desperate 'media' conglomerates, who dream in their opium haze of unbreakable copy protection. 481127;1391572310;mircea_popescu;that'll never work. 481128;1391572329;asciilifeform;i live right outside of a big uni, whose comp sci dept. pisses out a never-ending supply of this crud. 481129;1391572331;mircea_popescu;what may work tho is indeed code that does the function of cardano in software. 481130;1391572350;asciilifeform;then the code is the key. 481131;1391572354;mircea_popescu;well yes. 481132;1391572358;asciilifeform;lift it, accomplish the same purpose. 481133;1391572368;mircea_popescu;same is true of the hw cardano. 481134;1391572371;asciilifeform;correct. 481135;1391572392;mircea_popescu;so inasfar as that, it may be the case homomorphic software can be in fact written that protects the key say 481136;1391572404;asciilifeform;anyone who wants 'software cardano' can grab 'gpg' today. 481137;1391572427;mircea_popescu;but w/o a pw. 481138;1391572431;mircea_popescu;make it be automated. 481139;1391572440;mircea_popescu;i'm not saying this is practically useful. 481140;1391572445;mircea_popescu;but it is mathematically interesting 481141;1391572456;mircea_popescu;or properly said, computer-scientifically. which is math anyway but w/e 481142;1391572479;asciilifeform;the building blocks of homomorphic crypto (say, the 'millionaires protocol') are certainly interesting, not only in the mathematical but practical sense. 481143;1391572494;mircea_popescu;well ya 481144;1391572504;asciilifeform;but for the subject of the article, one is left to wonder what problem is actually being solved 481145;1391572513;mircea_popescu;the article is in wired. 481146;1391572517;mircea_popescu;forgeddaboutit. 481147;1391572530;mircea_popescu;the problem itself tho, "make me gpg which keeps my key safge and uses no pw", is not trivial. 481148;1391572540;mircea_popescu;anyone solving this'd feel that particular elation. 481149;1391572562;asciilifeform;if it 'keeps key safe' via the whole proggy becoming the key, you haven't accomplished much 481150;1391572578;mircea_popescu;if the whole proggy is the key then it;s not safe ipso definitio 481151;1391572584;asciilifeform;i venture to say that the actual goal of general-purpose (or whatever approximation is possible) homomorphic crypto is quite different. 481152;1391572592;asciilifeform;but nobody seems willing to say it publicly 481153;1391572598;asciilifeform;so i'll mention it here. 481154;1391572627;asciilifeform;certain people would /love/ a mathematically-impenetrable boobytrap. 481155;1391572651;asciilifeform;that is, code with genuinely-hidden functionality 481156;1391572665;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids if you care, http://fofoa.blogspot.ro/2010/07/debtors-and-savers.html is formally incorrect on the listing of romania 481157;1391572678;mircea_popescu;ask the guy what his research is for that list he made sometime. 481158;1391572699;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform both people could use this. 481159;1391572714;asciilifeform;so, worked example: 481160;1391572739;asciilifeform;a 'soft pgp' that appears to work fine, but when you encrypt a message to a certain pubkey, the message becomes 'eat shit and die' 481161;1391572750;asciilifeform;and this fact not being deducible from the code. 481162;1391572789;mircea_popescu;or a soft obamacare, which appears to work fine, but when your name is obama an email is sent to a certain address with your vaginal probe pics. 481163;1391572808;mircea_popescu;technology helps neither side. 481164;1391572815;asciilifeform;correct. ideally one should like to be on the 'correct end of the barrel' for this one. 481165;1391572842;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: asked :) 481166;1391572844;mircea_popescu;there's no way to pick really. you're on both ends always 481167;1391572891;asciilifeform;it is thus useful to know how to tell which end of the barrel you are being placed on. 481168;1391572904;mircea_popescu;and since we're speaking of, 481169;1391572905;mircea_popescu;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-08/romania-cuts-benchmark-rate-to-record-low-as-inflation-slows.html 481170;1391572907;asciilifeform;hence, if someone asks you to run homomorphically cloaked code... 481171;1391572907;ozbot;Romania Cuts Benchmark Rate to Record Low as Inflation Slows - Bloomberg 481172;1391573004;mircea_popescu;but anyway, what i was looking for is http://www.aboutinflation.com/_/rsrc/1369734125206/inflation-rate-historical/romania-inflation-rate-historical-chart/Romania_Inflation_Rate_Historical_1971_2012.png 481173;1391573017;mircea_popescu;now you look at that chart and tell me that debtors beat savers in 2000-2005 ? 481174;1391573467;asciilifeform;in principle, 'all blades have two edges,' etc. but in practice, the one and only objective of the folks funding homomorphic is a kind of satanic opposite of my purpose outlined in 'don't blame the mice' 481175;1391573488;asciilifeform;they would like to create (and then mandate) computing machinery that cannot be audited for security even in principle. 481176;1391573504;Dimsler__;lol 481177;1391573509;Dimsler__;inflation rates are lies anyway 481178;1391573531;asciilifeform;the inevitable boojum of conventional computing is that a boobytrap, no matter how clever, could eventually be stumbled upon by some clever soviet kid with a copy of 'ida' 481179;1391573533;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/ 481180;1391573538;mircea_popescu;it never works. it can't work. 481181;1391573560;herbijudlestoids;hhaha wau 481182;1391573574;asciilifeform;it's a perpetuum mobile, but that never stopped the desperate idiots with infinitely deep pockets, has it. 481183;1391573578;mircea_popescu;Dimsler__ no actually these are good. 481184;1391573585;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform true. 481185;1391573591;herbijudlestoids;so the inflation rate went from >40% to <10% 481186;1391573600;herbijudlestoids;err <20% 481187;1391573611;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids yes. and the early spikes aren't exactly easy money either. 481188;1391573621;mircea_popescu;romania had no consumer sector at the time 481189;1391573689;mircea_popescu;so it's not like there's something debatable really, it's entirely and flatly wrong, like a chinese man on a list of hepatic patiens. 481190;1391573698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.0009352 = 20.6679 BTC [-] {2} 481191;1391573743;asciilifeform;btw the whole homomorphic business reminds me of an old sf story, where some malefactor stumbles upon a pair of large integers whose multiplication doesn't commute. 481192;1391573747;herbijudlestoids;i cant comment cos i dunno shit on the topic but i did fwd your statement and query on 481193;1391573829;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform haha that's a great premise 481194;1391573852;asciilifeform;greg egan, 'luminous', if i recall. 481195;1391573861;Dimsler__;http://ponzi.io/ 481196;1391573868;mircea_popescu;wait, they're primes right ? 481197;1391573933;mircea_popescu;i think you can probably write a brown note novel on this, you can literally drive math people to insanity. 481198;1391573942;mircea_popescu;"two large primes whose product doesn't commute 481199;1391573947;mircea_popescu;yet the product of their squares does 481200;1391573951;mircea_popescu;but not of the 3rd powers 481201;1391573957;asciilifeform;damn if i recall. but there was a mathematical galactic battle in there 481202;1391574024;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: got a response, somewhere privatish i can send it to? 481203;1391574127;mircea_popescu;just keep going on with the description of the complexity until the reader falls over 481204;1391574127;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids sure 481205;1391574127;mircea_popescu;/query mircea_popescu 481206;1391574127;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform then, the product of the square of the first with an odd power of the second does 481207;1391574127;mircea_popescu;but viceversa... no. 481208;1391574127;mircea_popescu;and so on and so forth 481209;1391574127;asciilifeform;the premise was a little brain-fucking, yes - turned out that mathematics was a physical object, that one could fuck with 481210;1391574127;asciilifeform;by carrying out certain computations. 481211;1391574127;asciilifeform;obligatory warez copy: 481212;1391574127;asciilifeform;http://www.scribd.com/doc/86728044/Greg-Egan-Luminous 481213;1391574127;ozbot;Greg Egan - Luminous 481214;1391574127;mircea_popescu;scribd does warez ?! 481215;1391574145;asciilifeform;it does whatever the russian kids throw in, until the censors nuke it. 481216;1391574147;asciilifeform;as always. 481217;1391574192;mircea_popescu;this is so different from aaron schwarz 481218;1391574263;nubbins`;math fiction 481219;1391574265;nubbins`;great stuff 481220;1391574268;asciilifeform;damn, censored. 481221;1391574337;asciilifeform;http://bookre.org/reader?file=223021 481222;1391574340;asciilifeform;seems to be the real thing. 481223;1391574358;ozbot;BookReader - Greg Egan - Luminous (2) (Egan Greg) 481224;1391574467;nubbins`;read this story once where the law of averages stopped working 481225;1391574485;nubbins`;e.g. everyone in manhattan decides to drive across the same bridge on the same evening, etc 481226;1391574496;nubbins`;was chaos 481227;1391574512;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you mean social media. 481228;1391574518;nubbins`;heh 481229;1391574528;asciilifeform;better still, robert sheckley's 'the petrified world.' 481230;1391574531;nubbins`;technically wasn't really math fiction tho 481231;1391574542;nubbins`;most of the story was about attempts to legislate order back into society 481232;1391574561;nubbins`;only those whose surnames begin with A through F may visit the zoo on sundays, etc 481233;1391574796;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.148 = 0.296 BTC [+] 481234;1391574797;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 481235;1391574857;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.101 = 0.202 BTC [-] 481236;1391574858;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 481237;1391574918;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 481238;1391575406;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00583999 = 1.752 BTC [-] 481239;1391575407;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.148 = 0.592 BTC [+] 481240;1391575408;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5689 BTC [-] 481241;1391575467;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.56959993 = 1.7088 BTC [+] {3} 481242;1391575468;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00583999 = 0.2394 BTC [-] 481243;1391575528;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.09111107 = 0.3644 BTC [+] {3} 481244;1391575614;herbijudlestoids;http://media.tumblr.com/0981b8439ddf0975130aa194cb13ef4c/tumblr_inline_mufk4aIl4e1raprkq.gif 481245;1391575640;herbijudlestoids;when i say dont touch the thing or youll break it, and then they touch the thing... 481246;1391575659;herbijudlestoids;now we gotta split the hypervisors into 2 clusters 481247;1391575670;herbijudlestoids;:@ 481248;1391575699;herbijudlestoids;err oops sorry wrong window 481249;1391575720;herbijudlestoids;this site is my life: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com 481250;1391575772;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5698999 BTC [+] 481251;1391576566;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/9VClTYt.gif this actually looks a lot like mpoe-pr baiting threads. 481252;1391576725;Namworld;What? 481253;1391576818;herbijudlestoids;easily the best bitcoin website ever: http://bitcoin-free-adclickandtasks-sites.nl 481254;1391576870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00093552 = 12.5827 BTC [+] {2} 481255;1391577016;chipug;it doesnt even fit on the page properly! 481256;1391577023;Namworld;The url tells me otherwise 481257;1391577032;chipug;lol hi Namworld 481258;1391577047;herbijudlestoids;Namworld, didn't you see it says *free* 481259;1391577048;chipug;mircea_popescu: wtf was that balloon guy thinking?! 481260;1391577068;Namworld;Yes I see it. 481261;1391577069;mircea_popescu;that dicking around with my pr is fun 481262;1391577138;mircea_popescu;the name of at least one nurse in the burns section ? 481263;1391577153;chipug;lol! 481264;1391577153;dudesir;mircea is the 30 BTC fee going to change eventually? 481265;1391577158;mircea_popescu;yeah. 481266;1391577175;mircea_popescu;it was 20 up until glbse croaked. 481267;1391577178;mircea_popescu;it'll go to 50 eventually. 481268;1391577225;dudesir;lol I was assuming downwards, I suppose MPEX is only for those who are already rich... 481269;1391577225;Namworld;The rules are like this, dudesir: fee will only increase or stay the same. 481270;1391577243;dudesir;haha why? 481271;1391577255;Namworld;Why not? 481272;1391577270;dudesir;more users? 481273;1391577274;chipug;everything increases with time, even waistlines 481274;1391577276;herbijudlestoids;dudesir: its an exchange, do you have an account with the CME or NYSE? you have an account with your broker, who has a seat (or equiv) at the exchange 481275;1391577279;Namworld;MPEx doesn't need more members and doesn't offer much support. 481276;1391577288;Namworld;It's designed to work like any stock exchange. 481277;1391577294;Namworld;Not for everyone to sign up on. 481278;1391577308;Namworld;Only large brokers and large institutions. 481279;1391577335;Namworld;People with lower investments can use a broker like CoinBR to trade MPEx 481280;1391577346;dudesir;Does it cost 30000$ to get an acct at nyse? 481281;1391577357;Namworld;Much more than that. 481282;1391577358;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5698999 BTC [+] 481283;1391577359;dignork;dudesir, actually more 481284;1391577373;herbijudlestoids;$30,000 per MONTH i am pretty sure 481285;1391577384;chipug;i could live off that for life! 481286;1391577386;dudesir;Ok, I think I understand, NYSE is like an underlying exchange and brokers are on top of it? 481287;1391577403;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids was about 1.5mn per year iirc. 481288;1391577417;herbijudlestoids;and not just that but its not like you can just buy a seat at the NYSE, someone has to die or want to sell their seat 481289;1391577427;Namworld;http://www.nyse.com/press/1135856420824.html 481290;1391577428;ozbot;NYSE, New York Stock Exchange > About Us > News & Events > News Releases > Press Release 12-30-2005 481291;1391577441;Namworld;I found this, looks like about 4 million in 2005 481292;1391577455;herbijudlestoids;http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/04/031204.asp 481293;1391577480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00093454 = 9.3921 BTC [-] {2} 481294;1391577484;herbijudlestoids;"However, to own a seat, a trader or broker must meet more criteria than simply being able to afford it. Prospective owners of the seats must go through a stringent review process and, once accepted, they are required to maintain high levels of compliance and ethics as the NYSE and governmental regulators constantly review members. " 481295;1391577491;herbijudlestoids;:) 481296;1391577507;mircea_popescu;well mpex users are also required to maintain high levels of compliance and ethics. 481297;1391577509;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: do u need someone ethical like me to do due diligence on all your members? :P 481298;1391577526;mircea_popescu;lol 481299;1391577542;herbijudlestoids;uhoh its vexual 481300;1391577547;mircea_popescu;it's a self-performing operation. one of these days ima wake up to a report of "and then X tried to break Y" and just go "so revoke X" 481301;1391577577;dudesir;So does being a member enable you to vote on what stocks get allowed? I think I have much research to do on how the NYSE operates... 481302;1391577599;herbijudlestoids;uhoh i think my analogy has gone too far 481303;1391577601;Namworld;Nope 481304;1391577684;mircea_popescu;come to think of it, if the average person knew a whole lot of how the real world functions they'd be pretty scandalised. 481305;1391577700;mircea_popescu;"what do you mean it's 5mn and a bunch of crap and al lyou get for it is the opportunity to eat the crap ?!?!!" 481306;1391577707;mircea_popescu;"i want fries with that!11" 481307;1391577724;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 481308;1391577749;herbijudlestoids;the price is only there as a barrier to entry, not as a meaningful representation of how much it costs to maintain the seat 481309;1391577763;herbijudlestoids;(on NYSE i mean) 481310;1391577848;mircea_popescu;generally. 481311;1391577880;herbijudlestoids;you get a pretty good deal for 5 mio IMHO 481312;1391577892;herbijudlestoids;naked short almost anything even unborrowed 481313;1391577897;herbijudlestoids;cancel trades 481314;1391577901;Vexual;im in a loop thinking of numbers i don't understand, but there are external govt regulators vitoing bullshit on wall street no? 481315;1391577947;mircea_popescu;sort-of. 481316;1391577958;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids you' 481317;1391577963;mircea_popescu;re confusing seats with specialists. 481318;1391577968;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.118 = 0.944 BTC [+] 481319;1391577974;nubbins`;asciilifeform, great story 481320;1391577976;mircea_popescu;not all the people in the pit are specialists. 481321;1391578047;ThickAsThieves;vitoing, is that how italians vote? 481322;1391578050;herbijudlestoids;you cant really be a specialist without having a seat or working for a bank/insto that does 481323;1391578055;herbijudlestoids;not that there are many specialists left 481324;1391578101;herbijudlestoids;lol wut pit? 481325;1391578111;ThickAsThieves;this is a pit 481326;1391578118;herbijudlestoids;how many left and how much trading on them vs electronic outcry markets 481327;1391578126;nubbins`;your mother's pussy is a pit 481328;1391578129;nubbins`;sorry, habit 481329;1391578147;Vexual;zing 481330;1391578456;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02988998 = 0.1494 BTC [-] {3} 481331;1391578618;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg4945469#msg4945469 481332;1391578620;ozbot;[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings 481333;1391578630;ThickAsThieves;NEOBEE IPVO End Date Announcement 481334;1391578639;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5699 = 1.1398 BTC [+] 481335;1391578677;Vexual;do you know what will happen to unsold shares? 481336;1391578698;ThickAsThieves;did you read the post? 481337;1391578739;Vexual;ye 481338;1391578747;ThickAsThieves;details forthcoming 481339;1391578768;Vexual;did you read my question? 481340;1391578784;Vexual;you're allowed to say no 481341;1391578813;ThickAsThieves;i'm allowed to direct you to the post actually 481342;1391578836;Vexual;thought so 481343;1391578841;Vexual;:) 481344;1391578868;Vexual;always professional tat 481345;1391578877;ThickAsThieves;hardly\ 481346;1391578890;ThickAsThieves;but sometimes i can behave 481347;1391578982;ThickAsThieves;you could always say what you WANT to happen to the shares, like every other forum investor is about ti 481348;1391578983;ThickAsThieves;to* 481349;1391579006;ThickAsThieves;say = post 481350;1391579011;ThickAsThieves;time for bed 481351;1391579058;Vexual;can you say what you would want to happen with them? 481352;1391579064;ThickAsThieves;i cannot 481353;1391579066;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5699 BTC [+] 481354;1391579128;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04500001 = 0.675 BTC [-] {2} 481355;1391579795;herbijudlestoids;its cold 481356;1391579905;Vexual;where are you? Teheran? 481357;1391579981;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+] 481358;1391580286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55000531 BTC [-] 481359;1391580896;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.04020196 = 0.402 BTC [-] {4} 481360;1391581030;DrSteveBrule;hello. I grabbed a lifeboat and we have not even hit the iceberg yet. Anyone else in the lifeboat with me? I have a 10 bag and a bluetooth speaker playing a bob marley mix 481361;1391581093;DrSteveBrule;ooh, and a magazine of Bears monthly. Warm fuzzy bears in my lifeboat. 481362;1391581122;benkay;dafuq? 481363;1391581157;DrSteveBrule;in other words I'm shorting all the coins 481364;1391581195;benkay;how'd you construct that position? 481365;1391581249;benkay;i see. 481366;1391581249;Vexual;sounds bent 481367;1391581447;DrSteveBrule;My apologies, I don't want to sound like one of those crazy people who just wants to come in a speak bullshit. My reasons for my current short position are 1) Elliot wave principle 2) I don't think the Chinese gov likes bitcoin 3) 4 million dollars worth of option puts bought on http://mpex.co/ 481368;1391581478;DrSteveBrule;I just came here to see if anyone felt the same? 481369;1391581543;DrSteveBrule;by the way, the option puts expire this month, and the strike price was set for between $400 - $500 481370;1391581575;DrSteveBrule;that was new news to me today, so correct me if I'm wrong. But thats quite the gamble 481371;1391581631;flins;but isn't the lot size 0.1btc? 481372;1391581806;DrSteveBrule;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=449354.0 481373;1391581808;ozbot;MASSIVE options order on apex.co 481374;1391581832;DrSteveBrule;flins, i believe you are looking at the price of the option contract 481375;1391581864;DrSteveBrule;of (1) option contract 481376;1391581927;DrSteveBrule;for that specific type of contract (with end of feb expiration and strike around $400-$500) but that website is hard to understand, so I may be wrong. Coming in here to see if other see the same 481377;1391581931;benkay;;;calc 487.9146/1000 481378;1391581931;gribble;0.4879146 481379;1391581968;benkay;the perspective you're missing is how much that person paid for those puts. 481380;1391581992;DrSteveBrule;what do you mean? 481381;1391582018;benkay;the breakeven on the position is a function of both the strike price and price paid. 481382;1391582055;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 481383;1391582098;benkay;;;google delusions options 481384;1391582099;gribble;Delusional Disorder Guide: Causes, Symptoms and Treatment Options: ; A Review of Delusions of Parasitosis, Part 2: Treatment Options: ; A review of delusions of parasitosis, part 2: treatment options.: 481385;1391582100;DrSteveBrule;for example, i see 1000 @ 0.487 = 487 BTC with a stike at 500 / doesn't that mean they bought 1000 contracts at 0.487BTC? 481386;1391582108;benkay;;;google serialized delusions options mpex 481387;1391582108;gribble;MPEx: The Missing Manual 5 - Account statements and transfers ...: ; MPEx: The Missing Manual 1 - History and Registration - serialized ...: ; serialized delusions: 481388;1391582139;benkay;http://explo.yt/post/2014/01/21/MPEx%3A-The-Missing-Manual-6-Options 481389;1391582141;ozbot;MPEx: The Missing Manual 6 - Options - serialized delusions 481390;1391582191;benkay;;;calc 500/(1-0.4879) 481391;1391582192;gribble;976.371802382 481392;1391582201;benkay;eh 481393;1391582218;benkay;building a finite state machine. can't be arsed with option pricing. 481394;1391582299;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+] 481395;1391582310;benkay;discussion starts here: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2014#479849 481396;1391582317;benkay;DrSteveBrule: 481397;1391582387;DrSteveBrule;thanks benkay 481398;1391582410;DrSteveBrule;options are so easy to understand 481399;1391582416;DrSteveBrule;not 481400;1391582421;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 481401;1391582467;benkay;it's the world, really. most people just insulate themselves from it until that awful day it rears up in all of its raging complexity and they're forced to deal. 481402;1391583429;DrSteveBrule;yea, that should be taught in schools and in church. I believe there is a quote in the bible about options... 481403;1391583649;Apocalyptic;.d 481404;1391583650;ozbot;2193847870.17428 | Next Diff in 0 blocks | Estimated Change: 19.4628% in -1d 23h 39m 51s 481405;1391584007;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 30 @ 0.005 = 0.15 BTC 481406;1391584434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00093403 = 23.631 BTC [-] 481407;1391585105;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.118 BTC [+] 481408;1391585410;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1977 @ 0.00012524 = 0.2476 BTC [-] {4} 481409;1391585654;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15499999 BTC [+] 481410;1391585715;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.155 = 0.31 BTC [+] 481411;1391586633;Mats_cd03;So if I'm to understand, shareholders of mpex are about to get a bigger than expected dividend 481412;1391586911;benkay;"about"? has january's not gone out yet? 481413;1391587084;benkay;;;later tell mircea_popescu https://github.com/litecoin-project/litecoin/blob/master-0.8/src/main.cpp#L3059, https://github.com/dogecoin/dogecoin/blob/master-1.5/src/main.cpp#L3141 481414;1391587084;gribble;The operation succeeded. 481415;1391587310;chipug;benkay: does gribble save the link for when mircea next logs in? 481416;1391587362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20113 @ 0.00093713 = 18.8485 BTC [+] 481417;1391587383;Mats_cd03;how do you go about getting an invite to CoinBr 481418;1391587420;dub;https://coinbr.com/ref?c=A3R7Tstq16 481419;1391587422;ozbot;About CoinBr 481420;1391587423;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.118 = 0.236 BTC [+] 481421;1391588033;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.11985714 = 0.839 BTC [+] {2} 481422;1391588216;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 481423;1391588460;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.00584 = 0.3854 BTC [+] 481424;1391588582;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 481425;1391588948;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.15499999 = 0.62 BTC [-] 481426;1391589009;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.24310363 = 1.4586 BTC {2} 481427;1391589497;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.569898 BTC [+] 481428;1391589638;kakobrekla;mornin 481429;1391589953;Mats_cd03;so what do i do on coinbr to invest in mp 481430;1391589975;kakobrekla;hi there 481431;1391589988;Mats_cd03;hi dere 481432;1391590000;kakobrekla;do you see the big green button in the control panel? should say "INVEST IN MP" 481433;1391590029;kakobrekla;ahh yes it doesnt, because this is not a toy computer! 481434;1391590091;kakobrekla;no but really, the "how do i invest in mp" is not a valid question 481435;1391590119;kakobrekla;you need to be more specific 481436;1391590144;kakobrekla;you want mpbor? you want mpoe shares? maybe trilema credits? 481437;1391590279;Mats_cd03;mpoe shares 481438;1391590354;kakobrekla;well you buy those then 481439;1391591205;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.12211249 = 0.9769 BTC [+] {5} 481440;1391591266;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC 481441;1391591449;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 481442;1391591569;kakobrekla;blockr.io now shows bitcoin days destroyed for each tx which is kinda cute 481443;1391591572;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 94 @ 0.002999 = 0.2819 BTC [+] 481444;1391591795;herbijudlestoids;http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/war-anonymous-british-spies-attacked-hackers-snowden-docs-show-n21361 481445;1391591810;herbijudlestoids;"The documents also show that JTRIG infiltrated chat rooms known as IRCs and identified individual hackers who had taken confidential information from websites." 481446;1391591815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12417 @ 0.00093818 = 11.6494 BTC [+] {2} 481447;1391591816;herbijudlestoids;"IRCs" 481448;1391591908;Mats_cd03;'infiltrated' 481449;1391592109;herbijudlestoids;amateurs hacking amateurs 481450;1391592184;kakobrekla;i fink herbijudlestoids is nsa 481451;1391592201;kakobrekla;came out of nowhere, pasting charts n shit 481452;1391592204;kakobrekla;very suspect. 481453;1391592290;herbijudlestoids;its yall fault for supporting openbsd 481454;1391592299;herbijudlestoids;cos i wouldnve never heard about this joint otherwise 481455;1391592312;herbijudlestoids;but no, not NSA, doubt i would pass a background check :P 481456;1391592319;herbijudlestoids;kakobrekla: im iranian :P 481457;1391592342;kakobrekla;that is excatly what they would do to make us think we are safe 481458;1391592364;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00093882 = 4.9757 BTC [+] {2} 481459;1391592451;herbijudlestoids;if you like, from now on i can upload the pictures to freenet and you can fetch them from there 481460;1391592456;herbijudlestoids;hows that! 481461;1391592471;kakobrekla;"wait wait, so his middle name is really 'osama'?" "yes garry, how convinient eh" "indeed, lets make him the director!" 481462;1391592477;herbijudlestoids;LOL 481463;1391592491;herbijudlestoids;fucker, osama is a semitic name, im iranian! we arent arabs! 481464;1391592510;kakobrekla;whatever, people think im from somalia. 481465;1391592680;herbijudlestoids;asciilifeform: earlier when you were mentioning homomorphic turds, i thought of this but couldnt remember the name: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/523746/honey-encryption-will-bamboozle-attackers-with-fake-secrets/ 481466;1391592686;herbijudlestoids;is that in the same vein? 481467;1391592710;kakobrekla;herbijudlestoids are you also operating on fx market? 481468;1391592785;herbijudlestoids;kakobrekla: yep i have access to the two largest interbank ECN :) 481469;1391592801;kakobrekla;you might be interested in bit4x then 481470;1391592854;herbijudlestoids;1 pip spread lol 481471;1391592866;kakobrekla;myea thats on the newb accounts 481472;1391592871;herbijudlestoids;this is an STP, not ECN 481473;1391592874;kakobrekla;without comission n shit 481474;1391592899;kakobrekla;o its ecn to currenex 481475;1391592920;kakobrekla;or a passthrough or whatever you wanna call it 481476;1391592942;herbijudlestoids;Straight Through Processing...thats what Currenex is. a big matching pool for retail to get fleeced 481477;1391592970;kakobrekla;right 481478;1391592971;herbijudlestoids;to give you an idea, my current broker offers a spread of 0.2 pips on EURUSD during Frankfurt/London/NY sessions 481479;1391592984;herbijudlestoids;i pay 7USD per 100,000USD lot 481480;1391593005;lippoper;!last ozbot 481481;1391593005;assbot;You had the last Philistine. This one's mine. 481482;1391593005;Apocalyptic;who's your broker herbijudlestoids ? 481483;1391593017;kakobrekla;herbijudlestoids you get about 0.5 pip on pro acc here 481484;1391593018;lippoper;;;last ozbot 481485;1391593018;gribble;(last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} ] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message) 481486;1391593022;herbijudlestoids;Apocalyptic: pepperstone in aus 481487;1391593025;kakobrekla;and no swap 481488;1391593038;kakobrekla;the point is bitcoin denomination anyway 481489;1391593049;kakobrekla;not so much scalping conditions 481490;1391593072;herbijudlestoids;waitwhat, no swap? 481491;1391593077;kakobrekla;yea ;) 481492;1391593128;herbijudlestoids;so i can pretty much guarantee youre running an unhedged book then? 481493;1391593136;kakobrekla;nope 481494;1391593140;kakobrekla;all is hedged on currenex 481495;1391593149;herbijudlestoids;and they magically require no swap of you? 481496;1391593153;kakobrekla;islam saves dude. 481497;1391593159;herbijudlestoids;HAHA 481498;1391593165;herbijudlestoids;yea, ok seriously no thanks :) 481499;1391593186;kakobrekla;you cant imagine the pain our people went through to get this. 481500;1391593254;herbijudlestoids;advice from someone who trades FX seriously, but offering STP broker, 500:1 leverage and no swap is only going to attract retail weenies to get fleeced. real FX traders like ECN, probly max 10-20:1 LVR and want their swap 481501;1391593267;kakobrekla;fleeces dont have 10 btc 481502;1391593390;kakobrekla;but your arguments re leverage n stuff are not valid 481503;1391593399;kakobrekla;but i can see how that might appear on first look 481504;1391593407;herbijudlestoids;dude 481505;1391593412;herbijudlestoids;i know FX traders. i am one. 481506;1391593423;herbijudlestoids;we joke to each other about the people who trade in STP 481507;1391593432;kakobrekla;point is elsewhere 481508;1391593464;herbijudlestoids;i will preface it and say its just my opinion, but serious traders only like to trade their money in real markets 481509;1391593476;kakobrekla;no worries 481510;1391593491;herbijudlestoids;maybe im wrong and theres a hundred props out there just drooling to short bitcoin on leverage? 481511;1391593517;kakobrekla;see, told you you have wrong ideas 481512;1391593524;kakobrekla;we dont even do that. 481513;1391593549;herbijudlestoids;oh so its only the balance denominated in bitcoins? 481514;1391593561;kakobrekla;balance, profits, losses 481515;1391593571;herbijudlestoids;well then i am even less sure why i might use this lol 481516;1391593604;kakobrekla;ask people who opened an account in 2012 with 100 btc min 481517;1391593635;herbijudlestoids;and how did the brokerage account benefit them over keeping those 100btc in a wallet? 481518;1391593657;kakobrekla;100 btc was something like 1k usd back then 481519;1391593687;herbijudlestoids;i understand that, but when they open the account with you all they are doing is changing their ownership of 100btc into ownining a liability from you to return 100btc 481520;1391593689;kakobrekla;brokerage only benefits from good traders 481521;1391593693;kakobrekla;which make comissions 481522;1391593719;herbijudlestoids;i am not sure how that liability is inherently more profitable than the underlying asset 481523;1391593770;herbijudlestoids;look, i dont want to come off as negative nelly on your pet project 481524;1391593774;kakobrekla;profitability depends on your trading skills 481525;1391593787;herbijudlestoids;just trying to give my 2c and hope you appreciate the honesty 481526;1391593800;kakobrekla;no worries you can bark all you want 481527;1391593812;herbijudlestoids;err exactly, profitability depends on trading skills, ergo, i have nothing to ask people who opened an account with 100btc in 2012 481528;1391593831;herbijudlestoids;if they are profitable its because of their skills or luck, and if not then not. nothing to do with the BTCUSD rate. 481529;1391593850;kakobrekla;i kept my exposure to btc while operating on fx market 481530;1391593874;kakobrekla;which was the right call. 481531;1391593944;herbijudlestoids;well, while "operating" on the FX market, you took on liabilities yourself, probably in several times excess more than the net value of your BTC on several occasions, so whatever premium you earned is a risk premium, thats all, nothing special 481532;1391593957;kakobrekla;lol 481533;1391593960;kakobrekla;funny guy 481534;1391594003;herbijudlestoids;am i funny because you think im wrong? pls lemme know how your strategy goes on nonlinear event days :) 481535;1391594018;kakobrekla;assuption is the mother of all fuckup 481536;1391594037;kakobrekla;eh, assumption. 481537;1391594052;herbijudlestoids;dude. FX trader talking here. i have been in the *real* market on leverage when the liquidity evaporated, on numerous times. 481538;1391594078;herbijudlestoids;so unless youre claiming that all of your trades are operating without leverage... 481539;1391594102;kakobrekla;im not sure whats confusing you to write all the bollocks really 481540;1391594160;herbijudlestoids;im not sure which bit you think is bollocks? do you really think you didnt take on any liabilities when placing leverage trades? do you really believe that stops on currenex are honoured during liquidity events? 481541;1391594203;herbijudlestoids;if its bollocks, enlighten me 481542;1391594325;herbijudlestoids;haha! 481543;1391594333;kakobrekla;haha? 481544;1391594345;herbijudlestoids;the venetFX risk disclosure statement, points #1 and #2 481545;1391594379;herbijudlestoids;i bet they pool the accounts too 481546;1391594392;kakobrekla;who pools the accounts? 481547;1391594425;herbijudlestoids;you should send an email to venetFX asking if they pool accounts :) 481548;1391594443;kakobrekla;im in the vfx office nao 481549;1391594450;kakobrekla;i can just punch someone in the fae 481550;1391594454;kakobrekla;face 481551;1391594529;kakobrekla;anyway, i never had a case in 2 years where what you describe would be a problem 481552;1391594537;herbijudlestoids;recency bias 481553;1391594543;kakobrekla;ok 481554;1391594552;herbijudlestoids;i have experienced it trading USDJPY during the may 6 2010 flash crash 481555;1391594565;herbijudlestoids;and trading EURNZD before RBNZ comes online in the morning 481556;1391594595;herbijudlestoids;i have even had limits in EURUSD gapped during news 481557;1391594607;herbijudlestoids;on the fucken interbank...trust me...it happens 481558;1391594647;kakobrekla;im stacked with btc so whatevs 481559;1391594753;herbijudlestoids;well, i guess all i can say is i hope you never experience a 1% adverse move when youve got a 100:1 open trade :) 481560;1391594771;kakobrekla;i would never use :100 481561;1391594804;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 80 @ 0.005 = 0.4 BTC 481562;1391594868;kakobrekla;but yeah if people wanna gamble, let them gable 481563;1391594873;kakobrekla;gamble 481564;1391594979;herbijudlestoids;kakobrekla: in europe i like dukascopy and have an account there, but rarely use it anymore since pepperstone came to australia. 481565;1391594998;kakobrekla;aha 481566;1391595006;kakobrekla;as long as they pay... 481567;1391595189;herbijudlestoids;kakobrekla: i got a bunch of models for FX that i cant use, want em? :D 481568;1391595197;herbijudlestoids;i will even share them for free 481569;1391595207;kakobrekla;dunno all models are wrong 481570;1391595211;kakobrekla;some are useful 481571;1391595251;herbijudlestoids;these are models where the goal is to generate a ~10%CAGR over ~10y with low/no correlation to regular asset classes 481572;1391595341;herbijudlestoids;mostly for EURUSD since that is my bread and butter, but a couple of adaptive ones that tend to work as part of a portfolio of model 481573;1391595519;kakobrekla;why is it that you cant use them anyway 481574;1391595574;herbijudlestoids;well i build more models than i need, and only have so much capital, plus some are more tax constraining than others 481575;1391595630;herbijudlestoids;here ya go, i wrote this mean reversion model for EURUSD in R and as well an MQL4 copy, i noticed you support MT4 as the platform so this one is probly easier 481576;1391595633;herbijudlestoids;http://pastebin.com/dvMPBmjL 481577;1391595657;herbijudlestoids;basically betting against short term action and sizing based on position in the long term range 481578;1391595714;herbijudlestoids;i have a better version which uses a couple of simple regime filters somewhere, that allos the same model to work on all the major pairs...lemme see if i can find it 481579;1391595832;kakobrekla;> if(Close[1] < Close[n] && Close[1] > Close[s]) { 481580;1391595836;kakobrekla;heavy shit ;) 481581;1391595855;Apocalyptic;heh 481582;1391595866;herbijudlestoids;there ya go, here is the regime filter version http://pastebin.com/LpxA0icf 481583;1391595881;herbijudlestoids;kakobrekla: simplicity = robustness :) 481584;1391595887;kakobrekla;dont get me wrong 481585;1391595890;kakobrekla;i love simplicity 481586;1391595928;kakobrekla;after a year of simplicifying i ended up with 5k+ lines of code in 3 seperate processes 481587;1391595966;herbijudlestoids;i also got a follow through model somewhere, built originally for GBPUSD...called (no surprise) deconfidence, cant find it right now 481588;1391595995;herbijudlestoids;kakobrekla: i should clarify. these models are not for intraday use, they trade on an EOD basis 481589;1391596070;kakobrekla;ill bounce it to enky, he does evaluations n shit 481590;1391596093;herbijudlestoids;anyway, i got some more around, lemme know if you want them. 481591;1391596109;kakobrekla;let see what he sez 481592;1391596129;kakobrekla;but imo thats not what im after. 481593;1391596207;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00093504 = 16.5502 BTC [-] 481594;1391596308;herbijudlestoids;i guess im interested to see what he has to say, the mean reversion model i actually implement is not *too* far off that ;) 481595;1391596350;herbijudlestoids;slightly different design for tax purposes 481596;1391596369;kakobrekla;sure ill fwd you the reply 481597;1391596374;kakobrekla;what is the tax issue exactly 481598;1391596402;kakobrekla;perhaps you need a btc denomination 481599;1391596403;kakobrekla;hehe. 481600;1391596441;herbijudlestoids;basically, depending on my gross income in a given year i can have my tax treated differently...trading certain positions allows me to claim them as hedges against other positions in other markets...much better tax treatment, better overall annual return 481601;1391596451;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 825 @ 0.002999 = 2.4742 BTC [+] 481602;1391596497;herbijudlestoids;i hire an accountant to do the legwork :P 481603;1391596509;kakobrekla;:) 481604;1391596547;herbijudlestoids;btc denomination i dont think will help me unless i plan on never repatriating any profits 481605;1391596571;herbijudlestoids;which i need to do, so i can rebalance various investments etc 481606;1391596573;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 197 @ 0.0029998 = 0.591 BTC [+] 481607;1391596574;kakobrekla;hm why do you think that? 481608;1391596605;herbijudlestoids;because i have to explain to the tax office where the money in my account is coming from? and if i just say "selling bitcoins" then i have to pay 50% capital gains tax? 481609;1391596633;pizzaman1337;what country do you pay taxes to? 481610;1391596636;kakobrekla;well move then, no fx or btc gains tax here 481611;1391596660;herbijudlestoids;im in aus 481612;1391596663;kakobrekla;and that question mark on the end, does that mean you are unsure 481613;1391596664;Apocalyptic;no capital gain tax in Switzerland either 481614;1391596682;kakobrekla;well you have capital gain tax here but not for spot fx or btc 481615;1391596685;herbijudlestoids;kakobrekla: no not unsure, i guess i thought it was an obvoius question 481616;1391596695;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.15 = 0.3 BTC [-] 481617;1391596703;herbijudlestoids;trust me i am very sure about my tax treatment lol 481618;1391596707;kakobrekla;well different countries have different laws 481619;1391596725;kakobrekla;but you can also use btc directly 481620;1391596728;kakobrekla;to buy stuff 481621;1391596743;kakobrekla;like a G5 or something 481622;1391596756;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 481623;1391596769;herbijudlestoids;hehe im a lil more profitable than consumer goods can cover 481624;1391596787;herbijudlestoids;or is a G5 some kind of expensive thing i dunno about 481625;1391596795;herbijudlestoids;i thought you meant a mac :P 481626;1391596806;kakobrekla;gulfstream 5 481627;1391596825;herbijudlestoids;lel, ok im not that profitable ;) 481628;1391596826;kakobrekla;bitcoin assets : where g5 is consumer goods 481629;1391596856;Apocalyptic;heh 481630;1391597257;herbijudlestoids;i hear the US AG was in sweden today, think there is some trouble brewing over the assange case 481631;1391597263;herbijudlestoids;http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article3995801.ece 481632;1391597273;herbijudlestoids;o, nvm dont click, paywall 481633;1391598342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150 @ 0.00093764 = 0.1406 BTC [+] 481634;1391599263;kakobrekla;herbijudlestoids you want the short answer or the long answer 481635;1391599330;herbijudlestoids;kakobrekla: always the long answer, even though i dont know which question youre referring to :D 481636;1391599429;kakobrekla;low pf, very low sortino, good to catch reversals, return is shit compared to all the risks 481637;1391599495;herbijudlestoids;lel, its not position sized? its just the model 481638;1391599498;herbijudlestoids;but coo 481639;1391599514;herbijudlestoids;o wait no it is position sized 481640;1391599530;herbijudlestoids;but coo :) 481641;1391599543;kakobrekla;we dicarded models with twice the performance of that 481642;1391599549;kakobrekla;discarded 481643;1391599554;kakobrekla;not trying to rain on your parade 481644;1391599557;kakobrekla;just sayin 481645;1391599580;herbijudlestoids;no its coo, my parade isnt exactly that but similar 481646;1391599587;herbijudlestoids;(at least for mean reversion on EURUSD) 481647;1391599676;herbijudlestoids;like i said, i write way more models than i need, store them if they make ~$10,000 from $10,000 in ~10y and discard if not 481648;1391599794;herbijudlestoids;gon watch this fullscreen, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7U-lv0uAbY pls excuse me 481649;1391600078;kakobrekla;10k from 10k in 10 year 481650;1391600086;kakobrekla;you will be dead by the time you make money 481651;1391600240;Diablo-D3;https://plus.google.com/+UrsH%C3%B6lzle/posts/UseinB6wvmh 481652;1391600618;kakobrekla;anyway i go. later 481653;1391600782;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.24310363 = 1.2155 BTC 481654;1391602307;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001244 = 0.1244 BTC [-] {3} 481655;1391602368;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1632 @ 0.00012218 = 0.1994 BTC [-] {5} 481656;1391602814;ThickAsThieves;http://bitcoinmagazine.com/9916/auroracoin-icelands-national-cryptocurrency/ 481657;1391602831;ThickAsThieves;"The Auroracoin is set to release in less than two months and has a very unique distribution plan. It will give every Icelander 31.8 Auroracoins (AUC)." 481658;1391602869;chipug;thats a bloody ace idea 481659;1391602870;truffles;can we expect murrcacoin 481660;1391602881;chipug;for promotion 481661;1391602908;chipug;who is behind it? 481662;1391602936;ThickAsThieves;Iceland 481663;1391602966;ThickAsThieves;wait 481664;1391602968;ThickAsThieves;nevermind 481665;1391602972;ThickAsThieves;it's just another alt 481666;1391602988;ThickAsThieves;and now i'm officially done with Bitcoin Magazine 481667;1391602990;truffles;just another alt scheme eh 481668;1391603024;ThickAsThieves;this is much more cringe-worthy: http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/5/5381166/google-reaches-antitrust-agreement-with-european-regulators-over 481669;1391603069;ThickAsThieves;so much wrong in that solution 481670;1391603100;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5699 BTC [+] 481671;1391603175;truffles;splains why relevant stuff on page 2.. 481672;1391603405;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 481673;1391603574;ThickAsThieves;i know this might sound bad, but is there any good research on using ignorant crowds as indicators? 481674;1391603622;ThickAsThieves;something like, 85% of bitcointalk thinks A is the right choice, thus B is more likely to be correct 481675;1391603631;truffles;what one informed ? 481676;1391603641;truffles;makes^ 481677;1391603679;truffles;plenty of ignorant smart ppl itc :D 481678;1391603680;ThickAsThieves;it's more about polling people that "think" or have been "taught" to think their superficial understanding is useful 481679;1391603692;ThickAsThieves;well we're all ignorant to something 481680;1391603703;ThickAsThieves;many things 481681;1391603713;truffles;but are they aware of that ignorance 481682;1391603724;ThickAsThieves;in this case no, that's the whole thing 481683;1391603735;ThickAsThieves;they are anti-intellectual 481684;1391603747;ThickAsThieves;so maybe a good indicator 481685;1391603750;ThickAsThieves;hehe 481686;1391603806;chetty;ThickAsThieves: easy, look at election results ... 481687;1391603810;truffles;well business and finance arent usually where u find the brightest bunch 481688;1391603851;truffles;IT makes me more disappoint sometimes 481689;1391604259;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 481690;1391604320;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.15 = 0.45 BTC [-] {2} 481691;1391604321;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 481692;1391604381;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-] 481693;1391604442;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 481694;1391605113;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.15 = 0.75 BTC [-] 481695;1391605540;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 481696;1391605967;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-] 481697;1391606089;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.106 BTC [-] 481698;1391606144;chipug;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/dread-pirate-roberts-2-0-an-interview-with-silk-roads-new-boss/ 481699;1391606150;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 481700;1391606211;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.0009345 = 5.7005 BTC [-] 481701;1391607391;Duffer1;Max Keiser, the human spambot 481702;1391607404;Duffer1;why am i following his twitter 481703;1391607421;truffles;u secrectly admire him 481704;1391607461;ThickAsThieves;you follow him because he's the most visible hardcore bitcoiner 481705;1391607479;Duffer1;i don't know if i know enough to discount his seemingly algorithmic financial-word-salad spam 481706;1391607516;Duffer1;hardcore is a good word for it 481707;1391607528;ThickAsThieves;i only pay some attention to him because of his devotion and that sometimes cooler people spend time with him 481708;1391607551;truffles;who is cooler than kaiser?? 481709;1391607590;Apocalyptic;truffles, what have you been up to lately ? 481710;1391607612;truffles;not much, i did miss my fav opp :D 481711;1391607640;truffles;urself? 481712;1391607655;Apocalyptic;heh 481713;1391607675;Apocalyptic;been busy travelling 481714;1391607699;truffles;business or pleasure? 481715;1391607724;truffles;or other 481716;1391607773;Apocalyptic;kinda both :) 481717;1391607828;truffles;u eat the extra thin layer skin of pistachios? 481718;1391607839;deadweas1l;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448847.0 481719;1391607858;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.083608 = 0.418 BTC [-] {4} 481720;1391607906;truffles;thought paypal was the unsafe way to do transactions anyways 481721;1391607981;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00557127 = 0.5571 BTC [-] {10} 481722;1391608041;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55110111 BTC [-] 481723;1391608102;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.00083999 = 0.126 BTC [+] 481724;1391608103;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 322 @ 0.003 = 0.966 BTC [+] 481725;1391608163;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.0299 = 0.1196 BTC [+] 481726;1391608639;ThickAsThieves;https://www.malwarebytes.org/ accepting bitcoin 481727;1391608761;punkman1;http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_25057486/wisconsin-man-loses-150-000-international-bitcoin-scam 481728;1391608812;punkman1;"Concerned about the security of his digital bitcoins, Russell agreed to digitally submit 201.7 bitcoins to a man in the United Kingdom for 190 physical bitcoins" 481729;1391609039;deadweas1l;yay malwarebytes! 481730;1391609065;Diablo-D3;>190 physical bitcoins 481731;1391609066;Diablo-D3;wat 481732;1391609073;deadweas1l;he only lost 10, sounds like a deal for the ignorant. 481733;1391609093;Diablo-D3;deadweas1l: uh? he lost all of them, no? 481734;1391609102;Diablo-D3;theres no such thing as a physical bitcoin 481735;1391609114;ThickAsThieves;basically "Forumite doesn't use escrow, news at 11!" 481736;1391609120;Duffer1;sounds like he was trying to buy some cascs from a scammer 481737;1391609132;deadweas1l;taht's what I thought. 481738;1391609134;deadweas1l;so he lost all 481739;1391609137;deadweas1l;FUUUUUUUCK 481740;1391609140;deadweas1l;dumbass 481741;1391609167;Duffer1;poor guy :( 481742;1391609173;punkman1;but they were btctalk buddies for a year, such trust 481743;1391609993;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.08302001 = 0.3321 BTC [-] {2} 481744;1391610054;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 230 @ 0.07761573 = 17.8516 BTC [-] {19} 481745;1391610542;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-] 481746;1391610786;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.003 = 0.387 BTC [+] {2} 481747;1391611030;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-] 481748;1391611732;ThickAsThieves;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vv7q-MLTyQ&feature=youtu.be 481749;1391612067;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001205 = 0.1205 BTC [-] {4} 481750;1391612189;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1448 BTC [+] 481751;1391612677;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1130 @ 0.003 = 3.39 BTC [+] {3} 481752;1391612751;Duffer1;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg8LfoyDFUM 481753;1391612799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00093366 = 2.6609 BTC [-] 481754;1391612847;ThickAsThieves;pandora just scammed me 481755;1391612865;ThickAsThieves;told me if i watched some vido ad for 30secs i'd have 4hours of no ads 481756;1391612875;ThickAsThieves;90 minutes later, an ad 481757;1391612895;Duffer1;spotify is better in every way 481758;1391612900;ThickAsThieves;disagree 481759;1391612908;ThickAsThieves;it is better in some ways 481760;1391612911;ThickAsThieves;not every way 481761;1391612921;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 200 @ 0.005 = 1 BTC 481762;1391612926;Duffer1;disagree :P 481763;1391612938;ThickAsThieves;pandora is way better at suggesting new music 481764;1391612949;ThickAsThieves;ive found so many new things i like from their radio 481765;1391612949;Duffer1;ok you got me there 481766;1391612954;ThickAsThieves;lol 481767;1391612993;Duffer1;their channels are more in line with the type of music you're likely looking for, spotify's radio feature just don't compare 481768;1391613001;Duffer1;doesn't 481769;1391613009;ThickAsThieves;nor does Google Music's 481770;1391613017;Duffer1;i haven't even tried gmusic 481771;1391613024;ThickAsThieves;it's pretty nice really 481772;1391613040;punkman1;that's because Pandora pays people to categorize every song 481773;1391613043;ThickAsThieves;right now my issue is iTunes exclusives 481774;1391613046;punkman1;too bad they shut it down in EU 481775;1391613046;ThickAsThieves;fucking bullshit 481776;1391613047;Duffer1;i went from pandora to grooveshark to spotify, i haven't tried google music or lastfm 481777;1391613053;Duffer1;ya lol 481778;1391613061;Duffer1;damn itunes 481779;1391613084;Duffer1;pandora is shutdown in the uk? 481780;1391613087;ThickAsThieves;i accidentally went to pandora via a EU VPN and was like uhhh wtf 481781;1391613119;punkman1;I don't think it works in the UK, not sure 481782;1391613216;ThickAsThieves;http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/03/bitbeat-your-daily-bitcoin-round-up/ 481783;1391613337;punkman1;http://www.wecoin88.com/?q=node/221 481784;1391613443;ThickAsThieves;virtual art ownership? meh 481785;1391613543;punkman1;their logo is too pixelated for me to trust them 481786;1391613675;ThickAsThieves;the site is somewhat ghetto 481787;1391613683;punkman1;http://www.tutela.net/tutelaNet.html 481788;1391614019;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1448 BTC [+] 481789;1391614258;ThickAsThieves;Duffer1 I like the haikus 481790;1391614265;Duffer1;^.^ 481791;1391614350;Duffer1;i'm surprised how easy it was to rhyme Popescu 481792;1391614442;ThickAsThieves;The latest Snowden-related revelation is that Britain’s Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) proactively targeted the communications infrastructure used by the online activist collective known as Anonymous. 481793;1391614442;ThickAsThieves;Specifically, they implemented distributed denial of service (DDoS) attacks on the internet relay chat (IRC) rooms used by Anonymous. They also implanted malware to out the personal identity details of specific participants. 481794;1391614446;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC 481795;1391614465;ThickAsThieves;friggin Brits and their netsplits 481796;1391614503;Duffer1;i'm curious how they delivered the malware 481797;1391614568;ThickAsThieves;they probably had more than one option at their disposal 481798;1391614629;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56989699 BTC [+] 481799;1391614690;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56989799 BTC [+] 481800;1391614995;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC 481801;1391615322;mircea_popescu;bettyclamp 481802;1391615341;mircea_popescu;whoa. so i go to call up benkay who ofcourse isn't on, and i hit on bettyclamp ? who are ye! 481803;1391615469;ThickAsThieves;Former Minnesota governor and pro wrestler Jesse Ventura is currently on the press circuit around the launch of his talk show Off the Grid, but only from an undisclosed location in Mexico, safe from the prying camera-eyes of drones. "I'm off the grid," he said in an interview with CNBC yesterday. "I move about with my TV show so that the drones can't find me, and that you won't know 481804;1391615469;ThickAsThieves;exactly where I am as long as we have solar power and we can reach the satellite." 481805;1391615495;mircea_popescu;um 481806;1391615497;ThickAsThieves;only in Americo 481807;1391615506;mircea_popescu;but if he reaches the satellite i know where he is 481808;1391615530;ThickAsThieves;also, what fuck does anyone give where he is 481809;1391615544;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1448 BTC [+] 481810;1391615545;mircea_popescu;well that too. 481811;1391615566;mircea_popescu;but i mean what the fuck is with these people, it's quite plain to explain that talking to a satellite is like yelling really really loudly. 481812;1391615587;ThickAsThieves;well we're criticizing the wrong problem 481813;1391615589;mircea_popescu;he imagines that "as long as i got my coffee and can yell to the wifey for sandwiches the kids don;t know where in the house i am to come asking for money" ? 481814;1391615595;ThickAsThieves;i dont think he believes what he is saying 481815;1391615603;mircea_popescu;then what's he sayin' it for. 481816;1391615605;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1448 BTC [+] 481817;1391615617;ThickAsThieves;no he's saying it for the people that do worry about that shit 481818;1391615622;ThickAsThieves;for their votes 481819;1391615622;punkman1;he gets paid to say that shit 481820;1391615624;ThickAsThieves;or whatever 481821;1391615634;mircea_popescu;yes, but here's the problem : 481822;1391615641;mircea_popescu;he could say something intelligent that'd work just as well 481823;1391615653;mircea_popescu;bar that, he could say something unstupid that worked just as well 481824;1391615660;ThickAsThieves;if he werent pandering to anti-intellectuals maybe 481825;1391615661;mircea_popescu;his choice to say something retarded i HIS 481826;1391615739;ThickAsThieves;well as a "pro" wrestler, it's surprising he'd compromise his integrity for attention 481827;1391615752;ThickAsThieves;not 481828;1391615754;mircea_popescu;ya definitely. 481829;1391615756;ThickAsThieves;hehe 481830;1391615789;ThickAsThieves;you see the google news? 481831;1391615799;ThickAsThieves;your google will suck now 481832;1391615804;mircea_popescu;nah i've not looked outdoors yet. 481833;1391615837;ThickAsThieves; this is much more cringe-worthy: http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/5/5381166/google-reaches-antitrust-agreement-with-european-regulators-over 481834;1391615846;mircea_popescu;that, incidentally, would be one of the cool things to do : 481835;1391615859;mircea_popescu;a bitcoin google. you can advertise on it on the bitbet model and fu govts. 481836;1391615864;ThickAsThieves;put more search in your search bro! 481837;1391615870;mircea_popescu;it indexes anything, gl. 481838;1391615886;ThickAsThieves;well there was my custom filter idea 481839;1391615902;mircea_popescu;filter schmilter. have a spider farm 481840;1391615905;ThickAsThieves;not sure bitcoindecentralizable 481841;1391615920;mircea_popescu;have an actual coin whose pow is related to spidering websites 481842;1391615932;ThickAsThieves;hmm 481843;1391615954;ThickAsThieves;sucks to not have a legion of competent programmers at our disposal to explore every whim 481844;1391615960;mircea_popescu;we do. 481845;1391615960;Apocalyptic;i don't believe that's pow-able 481846;1391615965;mircea_popescu;sucks to onyl have a legion. 481847;1391615967;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic whyssat ? 481848;1391615971;mircea_popescu;we need over 9000 legions 481849;1391616022;punkman1;spidering is the easy part, indexing and answering queries fast is the problem 481850;1391616032;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 135 @ 0.00305999 = 0.4131 BTC [+] {2} 481851;1391616041;mircea_popescu;punkman1 this is true. 481852;1391616057;mircea_popescu;the thing is, one of the fundamental business strategy mistakes google fell into is 481853;1391616063;mircea_popescu;that it picked "fast" rather than "correctly" 481854;1391616072;punkman1;like I wanted to put commoncrawl data on AWS and run my own queries, but fuck it if it's gonna cost me $20 per query 481855;1391616084;mircea_popescu;you'd rather have 5 second waits for excellent search pages than the current search pages in .5 seconds 481856;1391616133;ThickAsThieves;works well enough for most i guess 481857;1391616134;mircea_popescu;they didn't start this way, back when larry and serghey, but over the course of "business" various moles slowly optimized towards it 481858;1391616139;punkman1;not enough seconds for everyone 481859;1391616143;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves only because they don't know what they're missing. 481860;1391616156;punkman1;my biggest gripe is that exact search is no longer very exact 481861;1391616162;ThickAsThieves;indeed, my wife is actually the one who reminds me of this 481862;1391616162;mircea_popescu;for instance. 481863;1391616179;ThickAsThieves;she thinks google is too creepy and will create a small paradigm 481864;1391616186;mircea_popescu;it has already 481865;1391616202;mircea_popescu;all the fuckwitted jimothies out there are the results of the kitsch-wisdom created by google and wikipedia. 481866;1391616203;ThickAsThieves;in and of itself maybe 481867;1391616212;ThickAsThieves;but i dont get all my info from google 481868;1391616214;punkman1;Google is like the central planning office of the internet 481869;1391616218;mircea_popescu;YOU don't. 481870;1391616234;mircea_popescu;a good chunk of the people listening to jesse james or w/e the mn govt's name was do however. 481871;1391616249;mircea_popescu;and the rest they get either from people who got all their info from google and failed to understand it 481872;1391616260;mircea_popescu;or from various panderers who are too stupid to pander intelligently or at least unstupidly 481873;1391616265;ThickAsThieves;yeah the same people that go "if this surch is so great, who so slowz!" 481874;1391616265;mircea_popescu;and there it is, a full meal. 481875;1391616291;ThickAsThieves;why so slowz* 481876;1391616297;mircea_popescu;speal better! 481877;1391616319;ThickAsThieves;sometimes my brain has no idea what my fingers are doing 481878;1391616395;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/9VM9qDd.gif << tat's brain 481879;1391616398;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC 481880;1391616418;ThickAsThieves;dogebrain 481881;1391616510;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/iWRYZI0.gif hahaha she rules. 481882;1391616706;ThickAsThieves;facemaking practice? 481883;1391616771;mircea_popescu;mebbe it's just cause she looks familiar. 481884;1391616805;mircea_popescu;http://media.tumblr.com/e58f0ce0f18c39950977d1233ffb13b3/tumblr_inline_msb7c8VQhK1qz4rgp.gif << this kid should ipo 481885;1391616991;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/D7ymfIc.gif 481886;1391617296;chipug;that paper towel thing was fucking great way to wake up, thanks lol 481887;1391617350;Duffer1;? 481888;1391617353;mircea_popescu;yw 481889;1391617404;chipug;Duffer1: the 'ipo kid' gif from mircea 481890;1391617411;chipug;genius 481891;1391617445;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/is8K8zY.gif 481892;1391617456;mircea_popescu;i shoulda had a painting LIKE THAT comissioned. 481893;1391617458;Duffer1;ah the internets, restart comp, meanwhile the world changes 481894;1391617529;ThickAsThieves;is the painting happening? 481895;1391617554;mircea_popescu;i should think so 481896;1391617572;mircea_popescu;or if not there shall be CONSEQUENCES 481897;1391617575;mircea_popescu;on the internet 481898;1391617600;mircea_popescu;http://media.tumblr.com/82715e2d6552ca5b3b2d20cefcdc99cd/tumblr_inline_mqilb78pyf1qz4rgp.gif 481899;1391617680;chipug;bahaha how unlucky! i bring you a gif in return http://imgur.com/a/cV4vN?gallery 481900;1391617726;mircea_popescu;lol retards 481901;1391617768;ThickAsThieves;i can't even read the Neo thread anymore without using the PR account, I have so many people ignored 481902;1391617785;ThickAsThieves;it's probly 2 people 481903;1391617836;Duffer1;"Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 28s.@DogecoinCharity Nobody has created more BTC millionaires than @KeiserReport I hope you weren't left behind." 481904;1391617863;ThickAsThieves;... 481905;1391617868;chipug;o.o 481906;1391617872;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 give him a link to http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-noobs-learn-lessons-and-pay-for-the-privilege/ 481907;1391617881;mircea_popescu;he always loves being reminded i'm still wearing his anal ring. 481908;1391617889;Duffer1;ha 481909;1391617900;mircea_popescu;and if he responds anything you can always give him http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/ 481910;1391617930;PiratByran;Hey, can someone do me a favor? 481911;1391617932;chipug;lol just how often do you get asked if it's you on the horse mircea_popescu?! 481912;1391617932;nubbins`;ah, the pirate bureau 481913;1391617934;mircea_popescu;funny how this shit works, too, after april he took a six months break 481914;1391617938;mircea_popescu;now he's back making the same claims 481915;1391617941;mircea_popescu;PiratByran shoot 481916;1391617957;PiratByran;Well, I was going to purchase something for my friends birthday using bitcoin. 481917;1391617958;Duffer1;i'll stay out of that one MP :P 481918;1391617961;mircea_popescu;chipug it is. not too often, more often mpoe-pr gets asked if she's a guy. 481919;1391617964;ThickAsThieves;i took care of it 481920;1391617973;PiratByran;And because of various circumstances, I had to use a convoluted method of buying bitcoins. 481921;1391617978;ThickAsThieves;https://twitter.com/maxkeiser/status/431102348421644288 481922;1391617980;ozbot;Twitter / maxkeiser: .@DogecoinCharity Nobody has ... 481923;1391617989;chipug;why will no one believe we're not lying about being girls? 481924;1391617992;nubbins`;PiratByran, many methods of buying bitcoins are convoluted 481925;1391617994;PiratByran;Doing my math wrong with fees, I came up 51 U.S. cents (.0006 btc) short. 481926;1391617998;mircea_popescu;chipug have you seen mpoe-pr ? 481927;1391618000;nubbins`;chipug: because most people are lying about it 481928;1391618022;PiratByran;I am a beggar. I will not pretend to be above that right now :P. I fucked up, and it would be very helpful for someone to donate 51 cents to me. 481929;1391618028;nubbins`;PiratByran: if you're asking for a handout, PFO 481930;1391618036;PiratByran;pfo? unfamiliar 481931;1391618040;nubbins`;;;ud pfo 481932;1391618041;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pfo | PFO. A rejection letter received after an unsuccessful job interview. Also applicable for any polite-but-final rejection. Origin: An acronym of "Please F--k Off ". 481933;1391618042;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: pfo 481934;1391618044;PiratByran;oooo 481935;1391618046;chipug;i've seen her dp on btctalk, she's a bonny lassy, she mustve gotten same hassle, why i took pic off 481936;1391618048;mircea_popescu;dude, i'm not giving you whatever dust because that'll result in a bunch of other idiots trying to do the same. 481937;1391618053;nubbins`;^ 481938;1391618055;PiratByran;okay, no love here. sorry for the bother 481939;1391618061;mircea_popescu;gl. 481940;1391618062;nubbins`;love != charity 481941;1391618070;PiratByran;yeah, Ive been to third world contries I know that argument haha, its cool makes sense 481942;1391618082;PiratByran;just sucks having to wait quite some time for 51 cents :( 481943;1391618084;nubbins`;i love my wife, doesn't mean i give her a nickel every time she does math wrong 481944;1391618091;mircea_popescu;it's a fact, after openbsd we kept getting dudes with stuff 481945;1391618095;mircea_popescu;my twitter is fulla it etc. 481946;1391618103;chipug;51 cents?! wtf im like 2 months behind on rent and won't beg. 481947;1391618105;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, this is why people don't give 481948;1391618105;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i hope you give her a welt. 481949;1391618113;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, a kiss ;( 481950;1391618126;Duffer1;ya there was also a noticeable uptick in #bitcoin-assets participation after that as well MP 481951;1391618127;mircea_popescu;"vanilla" he said derrisively. 481952;1391618132;nubbins`;hahaha 481953;1391618145;nubbins`;if only you knew 481954;1391618154;mircea_popescu;no, it's ok 481955;1391618158;ThickAsThieves;yeah the openbsd donation did bring some nice new blood 481956;1391618162;nubbins`;wasn't an offer to share ;) 481957;1391618182;chipug;i take it 51 cents are also not worth waiting for 481958;1391618198;nubbins`;well if he'd thought ahead, he would have bought a bit extra. 481959;1391618208;nubbins`;"whoops, the exchange rate changed slightly" 481960;1391618221;mircea_popescu;o wait that derpage was on twitter ? 481961;1391618226;mircea_popescu;ooookay, let's play. 481962;1391618245;mircea_popescu;nubbins` tbh, it's shitty implementation on the pp's part 481963;1391618308;chetty;9 killed as firefighters battle a blaze that destroyed Argentine banking archives 481964;1391618369;deadweasel;burn them all! (archives) 481965;1391618405;chetty;looks like a good start on that deadweasel 481966;1391618416;Duffer1;this will end well 481967;1391618435;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/431105025985630210 << 481968;1391618436;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: And since we're talking of ... 481969;1391618446;mircea_popescu;if anyone cares to rt, i'm sure it'll do a lot for an old man's happiness. 481970;1391618455;mircea_popescu;chetty whoa. 481971;1391618499;Duffer1;man i just watched fight club last night 481972;1391618522;Duffer1;maybe some argentinians saw it too :P 481973;1391618548;ThickAsThieves;https://twitter.com/TheRealAltcoin/status/431105094331813888 :) 481974;1391618549;ozbot;Twitter / TheRealAltcoin: @maxkeiser No. Altcoin is. ... 481975;1391618555;ThickAsThieves;also i retweeted for you 481976;1391618588;mircea_popescu;why ty. 481977;1391618594;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00307997 = 0.308 BTC [+] 481978;1391618614;mircea_popescu;Glyn Jones @onlinementor3 1m 481979;1391618614;mircea_popescu;@Mircea_Popescu Hi Mircea these Four Free eBooks will really help you achieve success http://online-mentor4you.blogspot.co.uk/ 481980;1391618616;mircea_popescu;no srsly. 481981;1391618631;mircea_popescu;of the whole 1bn people online i was chosen as the one who needs a little help on the topic. 481982;1391618695;ThickAsThieves;stop searching "Who is the fairest mentor of them all" then 481983;1391618702;mircea_popescu;whoa. seems i accidentally found a way to get past twitter's 140 character limit 481984;1391618714;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/431105025985630210 << hoover on the link. 481985;1391618716;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: And since we're talking of ... 481986;1391618749;ThickAsThieves;nice, now just make a hover.com and do it as a service 481987;1391618755;mircea_popescu;ya srsly. 481988;1391618771;mircea_popescu;then get VCs to finance me and spend the rest of my life eating airline food and conference rubber ducks 481989;1391618772;ThickAsThieves;althover.io 481990;1391618789;mircea_popescu;twitterstretch.in 481991;1391618803;mircea_popescu;logo could be one of those mechanical vaginal pears they had cca 1600 481992;1391618806;ThickAsThieves;moretwitterinyourtwitter.bro 481993;1391618875;ThickAsThieves;twitter has no spam reporting? 481994;1391618905;ThickAsThieves;nevermind 481995;1391618907;ThickAsThieves;had to log in 481996;1391618910;deadweasel;i'm soryr, can I get a link on "mechanical vaginal pears circa 1660"? i'm at work. 481997;1391618971;mircea_popescu;http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/luckyyou7023/vaginal-pear-02.jpg 481998;1391618982;mircea_popescu;end spike optional 481999;1391618989;ThickAsThieves;i assumed a sppeculum 482000;1391619005;mircea_popescu;(that's really for uteral forced expansion, which is way more painful)_ 482001;1391619032;ThickAsThieves;then slogan can be 482002;1391619041;deadweasel;omg, so glad I don't have a uterus 482003;1391619041;Duffer1;wow the engraving, they put a lot of effort and care into that 482004;1391619048;ThickAsThieves;Be an Asshole and put more Dick in your Tweeter 482005;1391619067;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 the artist wasn't paid so well, but he took solace in the notion his handywork will be embossed on generations of boxes. 482006;1391619085;Duffer1;ha 482007;1391619091;mircea_popescu;you know, sort-of like the hiring pitch for webdevs today 482008;1391619097;ThickAsThieves;"think of all the customer it will bring you" 482009;1391619141;mircea_popescu;deadweasel don't be that happy. http://www.bcmamedicalmuseum.org/object/i2995w.jpg 482010;1391619143;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00306 = 0.1989 BTC [-] 482011;1391619172;deadweasel;lovely, next time i need my anus dilated, I'll pick up a set. 482012;1391619177;mircea_popescu;that 482013;1391619181;mircea_popescu;s not what those are. 482014;1391619192;ThickAsThieves;penis enlargers! 482015;1391619197;mircea_popescu;vanilla weasel never saw urethral sounds. 482016;1391619208;deadweasel;oh shit. 482017;1391619211;mircea_popescu;yw. 482018;1391619218;mircea_popescu;(ps, one of the early uses of electricity...) 482019;1391619262;ThickAsThieves;today an amazing thing happened to me 482020;1391619262;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 482021;1391619263;deadweasel;well, i could get into that.. 482022;1391619288;ThickAsThieves;a forum poster criticized my post, I retorted, and he conceded 482023;1391619295;mircea_popescu;no ?! 482024;1391619303;mircea_popescu;you have stepped in an alternate reality 482025;1391619304;deadweasel;you must be on the wrong forum 482026;1391619309;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg4953144#msg4953144 482027;1391619311;ozbot;ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It 482028;1391619316;mircea_popescu;check who controls the vertical and the horizontal. 482029;1391619341;mircea_popescu;aaahahahaha 482030;1391619342;mircea_popescu;http://media.tumblr.com/2666f75887c09590958eda247c8f15e8/tumblr_inline_mpl3opPOYZ1qz4rgp.gif 482031;1391619357;ThickAsThieves;lol 482032;1391619433;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://i.imgur.com/tTzteY6.gif < is this sodium ? 482033;1391619485;deadweasel;that front middle kitty is veryapprehensive. middle middle kitty gives no fucks. 482034;1391619517;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/71YgV8q.gif 482035;1391619559;punkman1;looks like tin 482036;1391619570;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.66666485 BTC to 695 shares, 95923 satoshi per share 482037;1391619577;mircea_popescu;tin doesn't fragment oxidizing does it ? 482038;1391619582;mircea_popescu;it just gets a cover, like aluminum 482039;1391619612;ThickAsThieves;silica? 482040;1391619618;ThickAsThieves;i have no idea what i'm talking about 482041;1391619620;mircea_popescu;that's not metallic 482042;1391619625;mircea_popescu;this is definitely metallic 482043;1391619629;chetty;sugar 482044;1391619653;mircea_popescu;nah, i think it's an elementary substance 482045;1391619660;ThickAsThieves;aluminum 482046;1391619674;kakobreklaa;read dood. 482047;1391619751;kakobreklaa;blah power out again. bbl 482048;1391619768;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/uM8s3gQ.gif 482049;1391619815;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1448 BTC [+] 482050;1391619936;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.119 = 0.357 BTC [+] 482051;1391619981;punkman1;mircea_popescu: yeah that's it, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXB83Heh3_c 482052;1391620093;mircea_popescu;a wow wd. 482053;1391620096;mircea_popescu;tin huh 482054;1391620145;punkman1;"time lapse video of sample maintained at -40 C. 20 shots per hour." 482055;1391620180;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 799 @ 0.00012794 = 0.1022 BTC [+] {4} 482056;1391620263;punkman1;mircea_popescu: will the Cardano be lead-free or anything? 482057;1391620282;mircea_popescu;i know it'll be gold plated, but i doubt it'll be lead free 482058;1391620290;mircea_popescu;we're capitalists not environmentalists over here 482059;1391620292;asciilifeform;i've always thought of my gear puller as 'the pear' 482060;1391620299;asciilifeform;(similar: http://home.comcast.net/~alloy-artifacts/Photos/tools/plomb_4070_gear_puller_38_cropped.jpg) 482061;1391620300;Duffer1;pff it's not green? /dealbreaker 482062;1391620307;punkman1;wouldn't want any tin whiskers 482063;1391620313;mircea_popescu;it's not green its golden. 482064;1391620334;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform srsly, all that molten solder you've been breathing / spreading aroud the kitchen 482065;1391620342;mircea_popescu;it has lead and arsenic in it rite ? 482066;1391620353;punkman1;the smoke is just flux though 482067;1391620358;mircea_popescu;so you tihnk 482068;1391620363;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 468 @ 0.00083998 = 0.3931 BTC [+] {3} 482069;1391620365;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12113333 = 0.3634 BTC [+] {2} 482070;1391620399;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/0RArhfs.gif << now that's aptitude. 482071;1391620424;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.129 = 0.903 BTC [+] 482072;1391620485;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55110013 = 1.1022 BTC [-] 482073;1391620486;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 82 @ 0.00551447 = 0.4522 BTC [-] {6} 482074;1391620491;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: Sn / Bi alloy. 482075;1391620519;mircea_popescu;aww. and i thought the units could double as art! 482076;1391620597;asciilifeform;melting point 138C. 482077;1391620653;asciilifeform;PCB is lead-free, ICs aren't. 482078;1391620668;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.550002 = 2.75 BTC [-] {2} 482079;1391620670;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.13 = 0.52 BTC [+] 482080;1391620671;punkman1;hmm so tin whiskers do indeed have to do with this "tin pest" reaction 482081;1391620726;mircea_popescu;kinda hard to make semiconductors lead free. 482082;1391620729;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.12400001 = 0.248 BTC [-] {2} 482083;1391620838;asciilifeform;http://www.maximintegrated.com/app-notes/index.mvp/id/5250 482084;1391620839;ozbot;Tin Whiskers Are Real and Complex - Tutorial - Maxim 482085;1391620887;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/T5PnOJl.gif 482086;1391620987;the20year1;RentalStarter will be live for purchase on havelock Friday 482087;1391621035;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.135 = 0.27 BTC [+] 482088;1391621061;Duffer1;grats man 482089;1391621112;the20year1;I'm happy 482090;1391621157;nubbins`;i'm happy too 482091;1391621167;nubbins`;my beautiful copy of the codex seraphinianus arrived today 482092;1391621179;nubbins`;it even quelled my rage at this client we're dealing with 482093;1391621196;nubbins`;who would rather fly 6.25% organic cotton tank tops in from the exact opposite end of the north american continent 482094;1391621205;nubbins`;than use non-organic tanks from the next province over 482095;1391621207;nubbins`;because organic 482096;1391621219;nubbins`;"is this logo good enough quality?" 28kb png 482097;1391621225;nubbins`;wait, no, the rage is back 482098;1391621233;the20year1;lol 482099;1391621239;the20year1;6.25% organic cotton because....? 482100;1391621242;asciilifeform;british crown ddos of irc! 482101;1391621244;asciilifeform;http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/nsa/332/snowden-leak-gshq-attacked-anonymous-in-2012/27549 482102;1391621244;nubbins`;because organic 482103;1391621249;nubbins`;because she runs a yoga studio 482104;1391621263;mircea_popescu;and this is where we quote to you 482105;1391621277;nubbins`;and because most people, given the choice between BEING "eco-friendly" and APPEARING "eco-friendly", will choose the latter 482106;1391621284;mircea_popescu;"punkman1> he gets paid to say that shit" 482107;1391621300;nubbins`;seriously, i could sew a one-inch strip of organic cotton onto the bottom of a regular tank top for the same effect. 482108;1391621323;ThickAsThieves;all wasted sewing power though 482109;1391621324;mircea_popescu;actually this is an engineering task. 482110;1391621341;mircea_popescu;do you know the per-km-pound impact of transporting vs the per pound impact of manufacturing nongreen ? 482111;1391621348;mircea_popescu;it may actually be the case she's right. 482112;1391621349;asciilifeform;enviro-whinerism: expensive, shoddy, deadly. 482113;1391621351;asciilifeform;http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/puron.htm 482114;1391621353;chipug;gshq?! 482115;1391621358;punkman1;so it only contains 6.25% organic cotton? 482116;1391621383;nubbins`;6.25% organic cotton and 6.25% recycled polyester 482117;1391621389;nubbins`;the rest is just regular cotton/poly 482118;1391621392;ThickAsThieves;yeah cuz wholly organic would ruin yoga tudios profit margin 482119;1391621401;nubbins`;oh, did i mention these are OVER DOUBLE THE COST, too? 482120;1391621401;punkman1;why even mix the two? 482121;1391621414;nubbins`;punkman1: for some reason, you can't buy 100% organic cotton tank tops. 482122;1391621426;nubbins`;i'm not sure why 482123;1391621429;ThickAsThieves;maybe cuz they shrink too much 482124;1391621440;nubbins`;cotton's cotton, it's usually pre-shrunk anyway 482125;1391621446;ThickAsThieves;so they say 482126;1391621448;nubbins`;yeah 482127;1391621453;nubbins`;still shrinks 3-5% 482128;1391621456;nubbins`;regardless 482129;1391621460;nubbins`;i can buy a 100% cotton tee 482130;1391621461;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.53520272 = 16.0561 BTC [-] {11} 482131;1391621464;nubbins`;but not a tank 482132;1391621467;ThickAsThieves;ah 482133;1391621483;nubbins`;seriously, $6 for non-organic cotton and $15 for 6.25% organic 482134;1391621494;nubbins`;"WE'LL GO WITH THE ECO FRIENDLY ONES" 482135;1391621505;nubbins`;"HERE'S A 200PX LOGO THAT I WANT PRINTED EIGHT INCHES WIDE" 482136;1391621513;chipug;honestly, fuck going outside. think i'll give that a miss from now on 482137;1391621513;nubbins`;"WHY ARE MY LETTERS ALL BIG" 482138;1391621516;ThickAsThieves;incidentally i did few t-shirt orders for clients, but the last one was a yoga studio 482139;1391621522;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.51610665 = 10.8382 BTC [-] {8} 482140;1391621528;nubbins`;tat, fucking fake hippies 482141;1391621535;ThickAsThieves;same issues 482142;1391621536;nubbins`;i'm surprised they didn't ask for bamboo tanks 482143;1391621544;ThickAsThieves;except they only wanted 10 at a time 482144;1391621547;ThickAsThieves;cuz they are poor 482145;1391621550;nubbins`;(which, incidentally, is eco-unfriendly 482146;1391621552;nubbins`;) 482147;1391621556;nubbins`;heh 482148;1391621560;mircea_popescu;nubbins` clearly the tee but not tank is a conspiraci of the feminist dykes to make life difficult for the sluts. 482149;1391621566;nubbins`;did they realize that 10 at a time was the least cost-effective method? 482150;1391621568;mircea_popescu;no other explanation. 482151;1391621584;the20year1;how many eco types buy priuses? 482152;1391621593;nubbins`;none because they can't afford one 482153;1391621600;the20year1;i see em all the time locally 482154;1391621605;ThickAsThieves;my wife has one 482155;1391621610;nubbins`;i've never seen one 482156;1391621613;nubbins`;ever 482157;1391621615;ThickAsThieves;and is part of a green nonprofit 482158;1391621620;mircea_popescu;http://mahmood.tv/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/hooters-protest1.jpg 482159;1391621622;mircea_popescu;tank vs tee 482160;1391621633;the20year1;i see them all the time, with gore/lieberman stickers on them 482161;1391621635;nubbins`;funny story, our first hooters is opening up this year 482162;1391621649;asciilifeform;three or four on this street, some with the familiar green DOD stickers 482163;1391621656;the20year1;And when I ask them what they think about the amount of pollutants created to make the NiMh for the battery, they look like a deer in headlights 482164;1391621657;ThickAsThieves;my wife's only has cat stickers 482165;1391621663;nubbins`;heh 482166;1391621678;ThickAsThieves;i did it as a joke 482167;1391621684;ThickAsThieves;cuz we have 6 cats 482168;1391621693;the20year1;wow 482169;1391621699;nubbins`;i want to get a set of those stick-man family stickers for back windows 482170;1391621699;ThickAsThieves;so we have the bumper sticker family thing 482171;1391621705;nubbins`;but instead of me, pascale, and a cat 482172;1391621707;ThickAsThieves;Man, woman, six cats, in a row 482173;1391621711;nubbins`;i want like 30 girls surrounding a single cat 482174;1391621734;nubbins`;toothy grins and claw hands 482175;1391621766;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.00540087 = 0.2808 BTC [-] {4} 482176;1391621776;ThickAsThieves;probly 1 man surrounded by 2 women would be funny enough 482177;1391621833;the20year1;how about 1 man and 5 women? 482178;1391621835;pLambert;http://xkcd.com/946/ 482179;1391621836;ozbot;xkcd: Family Decals 482180;1391621879;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you mean like http://trilema.com/2012/orice-cuplu-functional/ ? 482181;1391621949;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.1231 = 0.2462 BTC [-] {2} 482182;1391621950;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1389 BTC [+] 482183;1391622056;ThickAsThieves;well, no, but yes 482184;1391622081;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 482185;1391622107;mircea_popescu;mp "did you mean X ?" person "well, no, but yes". 482186;1391622111;mircea_popescu;i should wear a button with that. 482187;1391622155;ThickAsThieves;pretty much the state of current worldwide communication 482188;1391622225;pankkake;pLambert: people think I'm a horrible person when I state money as my number one reason to not have children. but… it's true 482189;1391622233;mircea_popescu;meanwhile back at the forum, http://media.tumblr.com/60a578384a3d0ff3fdcb971f271fae9d/tumblr_inline_mjkje3jJKw1qz4rgp.gif 482190;1391622255;ThickAsThieves;lol 482191;1391622259;Duffer1;haha 482192;1391622314;nubbins`;heh 482193;1391622318;pLambert;pankkake: funny, rich people view children as a liability, poor people view children as an asset 482194;1391622319;nubbins`;"maybe this will work" 482195;1391622341;nubbins`;"maybe if i take an extremely long rigid beam and swing it around my head, the far end will exceed the speed of light" 482196;1391622371;nubbins`;pLambert: "manufactured happiness" :D 482197;1391622377;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00540009 = 1.08 BTC [-] {6} 482198;1391622385;pLambert;maybe we could get a perpetual motion machine to apply torque to accelerate the beam? 482199;1391622399;nubbins`;http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_asks_why_are_we_happy.html 482200;1391622400;ozbot;Dan Gilbert: The surprising science of happiness | Video on TED.com 482201;1391622407;mircea_popescu;pLambert the view happens to be correct. the per-capita investment for poor man's children to replace poor man is negative. the per capita investment for rich man's children to replace rich man is enormous, and exponential. 482202;1391622426;mircea_popescu;this not even taking into account the big problem, which is, the required minimal capacity of the child to absorb investment 482203;1391622482;pLambert;could I, as a person in a rich society, just choose to spend little on my children and expect them to contribute? 482204;1391622493;mircea_popescu;sure. 482205;1391622498;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0054 = 0.54 BTC [-] 482206;1391622511;mircea_popescu;but from a game theoretic perspective, consider you've rolled an 3 point average character in a 1-20 stats game. 482207;1391622515;mircea_popescu;do you reroll or try to level ? 482208;1391622526;mircea_popescu;compare with rolling a pure 20 stat char. do you EVER re-roll that ? 482209;1391622559;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0054 = 0.27 BTC [-] {3} 482210;1391622570;antephialtic;sounds very Rawlsian. Pick the game you want to play based on the odds before you roll 482211;1391622584;mircea_popescu;you personally can do anything you please, and so can anyone else. but on aggregate people will play the game correctly. 482212;1391622586;benkay`;babe, on getting a new credit card: "why is this so commmplicated" 482213;1391622592;benkay`;me: "because its not bitcoing" 482214;1391622598;mircea_popescu;lmao 482215;1391622620;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.13888889 = 0.2778 BTC [-] 482216;1391622621;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0054 = 0.108 BTC [-] 482217;1391622641;nubbins`;http://xkcd.com/1323/ 482218;1391622643;ozbot;xkcd: Protocol 482219;1391622643;nubbins`;lelelel 482220;1391622645;benkay`;business partner on discovering our banking partners wants 5 dollars for every physical check: "why is this so stupid? why do banks suck so much?" 482221;1391622647;nubbins`;i should try this soon 482222;1391622651;benkay`;me: "because its not bitcoin" 482223;1391622681;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00093363 = 21.2868 BTC [-] {2} 482224;1391622681;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53987998 = 1.0798 BTC [+] 482225;1391622731;nubbins`;friend, paying for an item with cash at the store: "why is this so easy?" 482226;1391622739;nubbins`;me: "because it's not bitcoin" 482227;1391622740;ThickAsThieves;mircea_popescu Bitcoin Magazine has put out a bat signal for you: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/9908/bitcoin-need-john-law/ 482228;1391622742;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.53999332 = 1.62 BTC [+] {2} 482229;1391622770;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves as usual, they do not know what the words they're saying mean. 482230;1391622806;nubbins`;pascale just referred to the part of the toilet where all the lid hinges are as "the choda" 482231;1391622827;pankkake;paying cash is hard for me, I can't do mental calculus 482232;1391622838;mircea_popescu;pankkake just hand over bills and watch the op's eyes 482233;1391622844;mircea_popescu;poker change protocol. 482234;1391622849;pankkake;I usually don't care 482235;1391622856;nubbins`;haha 482236;1391622863;nubbins`;eyes widen: "where's my change" 482237;1391622864;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0054 = 0.108 BTC [-] 482238;1391622866;pankkake;if they think scamming me is worth me not coming if I discover it… so be it 482239;1391622868;mircea_popescu;i never actually bother doing the math untill i see they're cheating me 482240;1391622868;nubbins`;eyes narrow: "sorry, here's some more" 482241;1391622874;mircea_popescu;i've like a 98% success rate so far. 482242;1391622899;nubbins`;i watched a friend overpay for an item by ~$45 in colombia because he mixed up "five" and "fifty" 482243;1391622925;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0054 = 0.108 BTC [-] 482244;1391622947;nubbins`;"that vendor was really friendly" 482245;1391622969;ThickAsThieves;"Mortgage Rates Hit Three-Month Low" 482246;1391622987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0054 = 0.216 BTC [-] {2} 482247;1391623049;ThickAsThieves;maybe theyll start paying us to buy houses 482248;1391623057;pankkake;I like that john law article! 482249;1391623060;mircea_popescu;http://media.tumblr.com/a0cac300cf0e64cde94acd7628294ece/tumblr_inline_mj8j8vJNxU1qz4rgp.gif 482250;1391623108;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13888889 BTC [-] 482251;1391623127;pankkake;she looks like dr greg 482252;1391623169;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 32.54126220 BTC to 695 shares, 4682196 satoshi per share 482253;1391623228;mircea_popescu;what's a dr greg 482254;1391623231;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11110004 BTC [-] 482255;1391623251;pankkake;http://crstat.com/imx/greg150x200.jpg 482256;1391623291;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 41 @ 0.10312682 = 4.2282 BTC [-] {9} 482257;1391623310;nubbins`;haha 482258;1391623313;nubbins`;i remember dr greg 482259;1391623348;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: i was reading an article the other day saying that rates here in canada will start rising this year or next 482260;1391623352;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0906781 = 0.272 BTC [-] {3} 482261;1391623354;nubbins`;all a bit of a beat-off 482262;1391623369;mircea_popescu;rates everywhere will start to raise next year since 2008. 482263;1391623370;ThickAsThieves;as i see it here, housing is fucked for along time 482264;1391623390;mircea_popescu;problem is... no. canada economy can't support rates over 5% , and won't. possibly ever in the history of canada. 482265;1391623398;ThickAsThieves;in FL there are so many half-finished neighborhood developments 482266;1391623413;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11109999 BTC [+] 482267;1391623414;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00306 = 0.205 BTC [+] 482268;1391623417;ThickAsThieves;once things pick up theyll finish them, keeping the market down 482269;1391623425;Dimsler__;oh yeah right 482270;1391623430;Dimsler__;they'll finish 482271;1391623438;Dimsler__;half of the suburbs in america are going to become farms 482272;1391623443;Dimsler__;just like they did in detroit 482273;1391623474;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.20001 = 0.4 BTC [-] 482274;1391623476;Dimsler__;suburbia is completely unnatural city management and planning 482275;1391623492;mircea_popescu;why ? they can plant gardens 482276;1391623496;Dimsler__;it was a concept devised by the anglo-saxon to push the catholic and jew out of the city cores in the early 1900s 482277;1391623501;mircea_popescu;minimal changes can turn us suburbia into what europe is like. 482278;1391623504;Dimsler__;because they were losing voting power 482279;1391623511;Dimsler__;no they can't 482280;1391623516;mircea_popescu;specifically ? 482281;1391623517;ThickAsThieves;not so bad when every 'hood is right off the highway 482282;1391623518;Dimsler__;thats complete horseshit 482283;1391623530;Dimsler__;man have you ever been to america? 482284;1391623537;ThickAsThieves;here we go! 482285;1391623537;mircea_popescu;yes, i lived there. have you ? 482286;1391623541;Dimsler__;yes 482287;1391623544;Dimsler__;and i also lived in europe 482288;1391623547;mircea_popescu;cool. so then. specifically ? 482289;1391623554;Dimsler__;the population density makes it improbable 482290;1391623568;Dimsler__;in a north american city most peopel live 20km+ from the downtown center 482291;1391623569;mircea_popescu;i thought we were discussing the infrastructure not the population. 482292;1391623571;Dimsler__;of a single city 482293;1391623583;mircea_popescu;in europe most people live 20km+ from the downtowncenter too. 482294;1391623585;Dimsler__;while in europ 15km IS another city 482295;1391623589;Dimsler__;oh yeah where? 482296;1391623592;Dimsler__;because I've been everywhere 482297;1391623596;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [-] 482298;1391623597;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 177 @ 0.00307222 = 0.5438 BTC [+] {2} 482299;1391623600;mircea_popescu;well see., the fact that they call it "another city" is irrelevant 482300;1391623607;Dimsler__;from paris to kiev to bucharest 482301;1391623609;Dimsler__;no 482302;1391623609;mircea_popescu;you can call about 45 "othercities" in greater boston area 482303;1391623612;nubbins`;^ 482304;1391623614;Dimsler__;the population displacement is massive 482305;1391623615;nubbins`;amalgamation 482306;1391623622;nubbins`;toronto used to be what, five cities? 482307;1391623628;nubbins`;then they all bled together 482308;1391623630;nubbins`;same with ottawa 482309;1391623633;nubbins`;same with vancouver 482310;1391623634;mircea_popescu;in fact, la is > size of slovenia. to the point i was making jokes about the TOWN of slovenia. 482311;1391623637;nubbins`;same with montreal 482312;1391623644;Dimsler__;toronto in the 1900s had a sign up in the core saying they didn't sell realestate to jews or fags 482313;1391623644;nubbins`;happening right now with edmonton, calgary 482314;1391623649;Dimsler__;so they where forced into urban sprawl 482315;1391623661;Dimsler__;the problem with that is it creates inefficiencies in infrastructure 482316;1391623671;nubbins`;^ 482317;1391623671;mircea_popescu;i think your particular preoccupation with a political slant makes the discussion intractable to you. 482318;1391623674;Dimsler__;where an individal cannot move around without consume a fuck load of natural resources 482319;1391623676;mircea_popescu;forget the jewz bs. 482320;1391623679;pLambert;Where I live, a small town in the US, everybody lives within about 3 km of the downtown 482321;1391623688;Dimsler__;sure i don't believe in nation states 482322;1391623699;Dimsler__;assume every little suburb became its own little city 482323;1391623703;Dimsler__;how will they sustain there life? 482324;1391623712;Dimsler__;there is no manufacturing, jobs are a 50-60km commute away 482325;1391623712;mircea_popescu;pLambert we're not even talking about flyover us, cause obviously that doesn't exist for the op :D 482326;1391623719;Dimsler__;who the fuck is funding the fuel here? 482327;1391623723;mircea_popescu;Dimsler__ you heard on the internet ? 482328;1391623727;Dimsler__;north america was built on cheap gasoline 482329;1391623732;mircea_popescu;i have teams working for me totalling well over 100 people 482330;1391623732;Dimsler__;the internet? wtf are you talking about 482331;1391623744;mircea_popescu;and srsly, i'd be surprised if the average distance between pairs is under 3k miles 482332;1391623747;Dimsler__;the internet is a den of theives pornographers and fraudsters 482333;1391623754;Dimsler__;there is no "money" to be made on the internet 482334;1391623757;Dimsler__;for the average joe 482335;1391623759;mircea_popescu;ok i guess this has gone to its logical conclusion. 482336;1391623763;nubbins`;the average joe is a bum 482337;1391623774;Dimsler__;the logical conclusion is going to be an exodus from suburbia 482338;1391623774;nubbins`;the average joe works minimum wage 482339;1391623777;Dimsler__;back into the cities 482340;1391623779;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [-] 482341;1391623781;mircea_popescu;not happening. 482342;1391623786;Dimsler__;average white man US population is 44 482343;1391623786;nubbins`;happening some places 482344;1391623790;nubbins`;south korea, for example 482345;1391623792;mircea_popescu;the suburbia is getting (for a minimal cost) refurbished and that's that. 482346;1391623796;mircea_popescu;your joe can starve, nobody cares. 482347;1391623799;Dimsler__;the next place for older americans is next to a funeral home or a cemetary 482348;1391623810;Dimsler__;the average joe isn't going to just starve 482349;1391623813;pLambert;my parents live in suburban Detroit, I have noticed the area around them is becoming denser, over time the US cities will change to be more like small cities instead of one giant city 482350;1391623813;Dimsler__;hes goign to cause a shit storm 482351;1391623816;nubbins`;me: "what was the interest rate on your mortgage?" 482352;1391623830;Dimsler__;pLambert, oh yeah? with what manufacturing? 482353;1391623835;nubbins`;dad: "7.25% locked in for 35 years. a real bargain at the time, as rates soared to 18% at one point" 482354;1391623839;mircea_popescu;Dimsler__ poor people without resources or abilities do not cause shit storms. 482355;1391623839;livermore34;this sounds interesting: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/1x3lp9/counterparty_xcp_a_new_platform_for_trustfree/ 482356;1391623839;Dimsler__;and with what population growth? 482357;1391623843;livermore34;no more exchange shutdowns 482358;1391623852;livermore34;or exchange scams 482359;1391623858;nubbins`;imagine, 18% interest on a mortgage 482360;1391623860;pLambert;what about manufacturing? Detroit has factories spread throughout all the suburbs 482361;1391623865;Dimsler__;nubbins`, thats nothing new 482362;1391623866;mircea_popescu;livermore34 you've not really done your reading re that shitfest. 482363;1391623868;Dimsler__;thats 1990s america 482364;1391623878;nubbins`;wow 482365;1391623888;Dimsler__;1988-1990 had mortgages rates up to 16% 482366;1391623895;nubbins`;imagine 482367;1391623935;Dimsler__;mircea_popescu, man reference yourself hurricane katrina 482368;1391623939;Dimsler__;a little storm 482369;1391623947;Dimsler__;and even the national guard couldn't stop looting niggers 482370;1391623960;nubbins`;"even" the national guard, hey? 482371;1391623966;mircea_popescu;seriously, you got some stuff going on that's preventing you from thinking. 482372;1391623974;nubbins`;"even a bunch of bums who train one weekend a month couldn't keep an entire city under control" 482373;1391623984;nubbins`;shocking 482374;1391624013;Dimsler__;mircea_popescu, you have no idea bout how evil and arrogant the anglo-saxon actually is 482375;1391624013;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/Nex8eBy.gif 482376;1391624017;mircea_popescu;on the right, national guard. 482377;1391624028;mircea_popescu;Dimsler__ probably because i'm even more evil and arrogant. 482378;1391624036;nubbins`;heh 482379;1391624040;nubbins`;"the anglo-saxon" 482380;1391624041;nubbins`;"the jew" 482381;1391624044;nubbins`;"the nigger" 482382;1391624052;Dimsler__;well these are actual terms 482383;1391624052;ThickAsThieves;wow i go make some tea and come back some prime idiocy 482384;1391624056;nubbins`;"the dimsler" 482385;1391624059;punkman1;I propose "the dimsler" 482386;1391624062;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1587218/plain/) 482387;1391624062;mircea_popescu;!b 2 482388;1391624064;asciilifeform;saxons.txt 482389;1391624070;nubbins`;^ hahahahah 482390;1391624076;punkman1;you got me nubbins 482391;1391624081;nubbins`;i'm quick 482392;1391624082;mircea_popescu;if a saxophone is an instrument, 482393;1391624087;mircea_popescu;what's a niggophone ? 482394;1391624088;nubbins`;and i have like ZERO LAG 482395;1391624103;Dimsler__;well what 482396;1391624106;ThickAsThieves;there's no money to be mad eon the internet guys, go home 482397;1391624107;Dimsler__;its a pure fact 482398;1391624111;Dimsler__;usury is caused by the jew 482399;1391624115;mircea_popescu;it's a puree of facts. 482400;1391624127;Dimsler__;compounded interest and usury cannot exist in a economic money system 482401;1391624137;mircea_popescu;is this tibby ? 482402;1391624140;nubbins`;lel 482403;1391624143;nubbins`;this is all rich 482404;1391624145;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12221 @ 0.0009345 = 11.4205 BTC [+] 482405;1391624158;nubbins`;you people are fucked 482406;1391624164;ThickAsThieves;tibby wouldnt lurk this long til now 482407;1391624204;Dimsler__;yeah you're all fucking genious' 482408;1391624210;Dimsler__;people are going to get internet jobs 482409;1391624214;Dimsler__;and live in some suburbian utopia 482410;1391624217;Dimsler__;thats a great idea 482411;1391624225;punkman1;yeah clicking ads for satoshis all day 482412;1391624226;Dimsler__;and have little farms in there backyard 482413;1391624227;Dimsler__;s 482414;1391624238;nubbins`;sounds nice so far 482415;1391624245;nubbins`;does it have to be in america tho? that place sucks 482416;1391624256;nubbins`;too many destitute and crazy people 482417;1391624265;ThickAsThieves;how hard is it to move to Canada? 482418;1391624267;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00305999 = 0.1958 BTC [-] 482419;1391624268;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.111 BTC [-] 482420;1391624269;pLambert;maybe the US would be better if we got rid of the FedGov? 482421;1391624270;nubbins`;easy as fuck 482422;1391624274;nubbins`;you can drive here from there 482423;1391624277;Dimsler__;all anglo countries blow 482424;1391624280;ThickAsThieves;lol 482425;1391624288;Dimsler__;you move to them you're going to get fucked up 482426;1391624290;Dimsler__;plain and simple 482427;1391624297;ThickAsThieves;but to be a citizen and live there 482428;1391624298;nubbins`;so where's your eden, Dimsler__ ? 482429;1391624306;Dimsler__;sealand 482430;1391624308;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: get a job and we'll let you stay here 482431;1391624316;ThickAsThieves;can i make my own job? 482432;1391624320;nubbins`;sure 482433;1391624322;nubbins`;i guess 482434;1391624330;ThickAsThieves;i dont like bosses 482435;1391624334;nubbins`;nobody does 482436;1391624338;ThickAsThieves;indeed 482437;1391624348;nubbins`;i've got a mexican roommate who just got her work visa a while ago 482438;1391624362;nubbins`;you may need to be sponsored by an employer to get settled, not sure of the ins and outs 482439;1391624362;asciilifeform;if i recall you can buy canadian citizenship for $50k 482440;1391624368;asciilifeform;(usd) 482441;1391624371;nubbins`;but canada welcomes immigrants with open arms 482442;1391624376;Dimsler__;you'd be completely retarded 482443;1391624378;Dimsler__;to spend 50k 482444;1391624381;ThickAsThieves;I'll come apprentice for Pink Eye 482445;1391624383;Dimsler__;on a candian citizenship 482446;1391624397;nubbins`;sounds great, can't pay ya tho 482447;1391624402;ThickAsThieves;i can make logos, what more do you need 482448;1391624419;ThickAsThieves;we can put them on the internet 482449;1391624419;mircea_popescu;so i was just on the phone with this jewish chick i know, and she admitted that in israel the oreos are made out of dead anglosaxon babies. 482450;1391624420;nubbins`;the back deck needs shovelling 482451;1391624429;mircea_popescu;seems we;ve been wrong all along 482452;1391624441;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, same thing in canada 482453;1391624450;nubbins`;and our cadbury chocolate is made from real jersey cow milk 482454;1391624454;asciilifeform;the crunchy part is made from angles, the inner cream, distilled from saxons. 482455;1391624455;ThickAsThieves;i could pay the mexican to shovel it for you 482456;1391624460;nubbins`;i tell ya, it's the promised land 482457;1391624467;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves, she already has a job ;( 482458;1391624468;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hahaha 482459;1391624476;Dimsler__;well the jew takes advantage of the gentile 482460;1391624490;ThickAsThieves;jewlitan 482461;1391624502;Dimsler__;with his shylock 482462;1391624510;Dimsler__;has been like that for centuries 482463;1391624515;nubbins`;bitcoin removes the need for usury anyway 482464;1391624524;Dimsler__;well thats why i'm here 482465;1391624525;Dimsler__;lol 482466;1391624530;mircea_popescu;nubbins`> you may need to be sponsored by an employer to get settled, not sure of the ins and outs << drive over, hire a lawyer to start a companby, have the company hire you. 482467;1391624532;mircea_popescu;problem solved. 482468;1391624534;nubbins`;oh, i thought you were here to babble nonsense 482469;1391624539;Dimsler__;you can't breed bitcoins 482470;1391624549;Dimsler__;like you can with fractional reserve currency 482471;1391624552;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: nod, would probably work 482472;1391624555;Dimsler__;so you can't lend them for profit 482473;1391624566;Dimsler__;usury is self eliminating in bitcoin 482474;1391624571;mircea_popescu;people lend btc for profit all the time what are you talkin'; about. 482475;1391624580;Dimsler__;you can't breed bitcoin 482476;1391624587;nubbins`;you can't breed Dimsler__ 482477;1391624589;ThickAsThieves;? 482478;1391624593;Dimsler__;its not possible to compound interest on bitcoins 482479;1391624596;punkman1;you can definitely breed dimslers 482480;1391624597;Dimsler__;or create usury contracts 482481;1391624604;Dimsler__;they will eventually lead to defaults 482482;1391624609;Dimsler__;due to bitcoins deflationary nature 482483;1391624611;ThickAsThieves;Dimsler is more likely to breed than most of us 482484;1391624616;ThickAsThieves;stats say 482485;1391624618;nubbins`;hahahah 482486;1391624620;asciilifeform;on the other hand, if you can afford this maneuver in canada, you can afford it in a real country. 482487;1391624637;mircea_popescu;^ 482488;1391624640;ThickAsThieves;which is realest? 482489;1391624648;punkman1;Sealand 482490;1391624648;Dimsler__;when default occur people will be more cautious about lending 482491;1391624651;Dimsler__;its plain and simple 482492;1391624651;nubbins`;one with its own sovereign? ;p 482493;1391624654;Dimsler__;it just isn't going to happen 482494;1391624669;Dimsler__;especially not on a massive instrituionalized scale like we have now 482495;1391624669;mircea_popescu;nubbins` romania is not a bad one, for as long as that lasts. 482496;1391624671;nubbins`;phun phact, ugly betty is the ruler of our fair land 482497;1391624694;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.08603422 = 0.1721 BTC [-] {2} 482498;1391624695;Dimsler__;romania has us extradition 482499;1391624697;Dimsler__;so it already sucks 482500;1391624700;mircea_popescu;... 482501;1391624710;mircea_popescu;you kinda need to pick some criteria and stick to them 482502;1391624715;nubbins`;it's like you're being willfully obtuse 482503;1391624718;Dimsler__;i told you 482504;1391624724;Dimsler__;no US extradition or OECD compliance 482505;1391624728;Dimsler__;only countries worth living in 482506;1391624732;mircea_popescu;that makes a real country ? 482507;1391624736;mircea_popescu;so go live in columbia, what. 482508;1391624741;Dimsler__;that makes a free country 482509;1391624743;asciilifeform;russia. france. 482510;1391624746;nubbins`;colombia sucks to live in 482511;1391624751;mircea_popescu;france is a real country now. god help us. 482512;1391624756;asciilifeform;by his definition 482513;1391624767;nubbins`;yeah, russia 482514;1391624768;nubbins`;there ya go 482515;1391624770;mircea_popescu;im curious what his polonium defense is for free living in russia. 482516;1391624783;nubbins`;you'll fit right in 482517;1391624784;Dimsler__;russia is great to live in 482518;1391624788;Dimsler__;whats the problem? 482519;1391624790;mircea_popescu;"sure, makea few billions and start buying english football clubs so maybe the kremlin won't off you" 482520;1391624805;nubbins`;"russia is great to live in" 482521;1391624812;Dimsler__;like even your boiler room 482522;1391624817;mircea_popescu;what's that blondy jounralistn's name again ? 482523;1391624822;Dimsler__;in romania you could be extradited straight to the US 482524;1391624827;Dimsler__;by some random entity 482525;1391624829;Dimsler__;vs in russia 482526;1391624832;Dimsler__;where nobody gives a fuck 482527;1391624833;ThickAsThieves;Anne Coulter? 482528;1391624835;mircea_popescu;wait wait. were we talking about me or about you ? 482529;1391624845;mircea_popescu;or do you just presume we're interchangeable because irc nicks 482530;1391624846;nubbins`;ann coulter lel 482531;1391624849;mircea_popescu;no dude 482532;1391624855;mircea_popescu;lipishinkaya or something 482533;1391624874;asciilifeform;politkovskaya 482534;1391624881;mircea_popescu;Anna Politkovskaya 482535;1391624881;mircea_popescu;yes. 482536;1391624894;asciilifeform;plugged for good cause, as far as i can see 482537;1391624902;Dimsler__;how? 482538;1391624904;mircea_popescu;good cause or no good cause... 482539;1391624913;asciilifeform;like that chinese idiot 482540;1391624914;mircea_popescu;and since we're doing this, 482541;1391624916;Dimsler__;who cares about a bunch of muslim rats 482542;1391624916;mircea_popescu;;;google Alexander Litvinenko 482543;1391624917;gribble;Alexander Litvinenko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; BBC News - Who was Alexander Litvinenko?: 482544;1391624925;Dimsler__;they invaded europe 482545;1391624926;asciilifeform;who wrote about how his country needs 300 years of european colonization to become 'civilized' 482546;1391624927;Dimsler__;and fucked it up 482547;1391624934;Dimsler__;the weak nordic and geraminc 482548;1391624936;Dimsler__;let th emuslim rat in 482549;1391624936;asciilifeform;(won't hear of this in the anglo media, though) 482550;1391624939;Dimsler__;and he shit all over the place 482551;1391624952;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well it;s a fact or do you disagree ? 482552;1391624965;mircea_popescu;obviously "civilisation" as she means it isn't necessarily a goal 482553;1391624971;mircea_popescu;but if it were a goal, what else. 482554;1391624987;asciilifeform;the fact is, this kind of thing doesn't sit well with any ruler 482555;1391624988;Dimsler__;western europe 482556;1391624990;Dimsler__;has weak policies 482557;1391624993;mircea_popescu;certainly. 482558;1391624995;asciilifeform;chinese, european, aztec, whoever. 482559;1391624997;Dimsler__;for humanity 482560;1391625000;Dimsler__;and strict for economics 482561;1391625003;ThickAsThieves;how bout switzerland? 482562;1391625006;Dimsler__;thats why they are turning into socialized slums 482563;1391625017;mircea_popescu;and it'd be a pretty boneheaded thing to do anyway. russia has had enough cultural revolutionary great leaps forward to last it five centuries. 482564;1391625017;Dimsler__;swtzerland doesn't hand out citizenship 482565;1391625022;Dimsler__;and has ahigh productivity rate 482566;1391625062;Dimsler__;like you go to germany and like 1/4 is a filthy fucking turk 482567;1391625078;Dimsler__;like you can't buy a used car without the odometer rolled back 482568;1391625085;nubbins`;have to admit, i wonder where dimsler is from and what he looks like 482569;1391625109;ThickAsThieves;jersey 482570;1391625111;Dimsler__;eastern european, western educated, lived everywhere 482571;1391625119;Dimsler__;thats aobut all you need to know 482572;1391625131;pankkake;like the would not bang guy 482573;1391625134;nubbins`;we covered all i needed to know already 482574;1391625137;nubbins`;that was just for curiosity 482575;1391625146;nubbins`;pankkake, +1 :( 482576;1391625163;nubbins`;he seems to be a wizard 482577;1391625218;Dimsler__;fact is, any country with liberal moral values and strict financials where usury is rampant 482578;1391625222;Dimsler__;is going to suck 482579;1391625229;Dimsler__;and the people are going to be clueless and retarded 482580;1391625236;Dimsler__;with a bad case of stockholm syndrome 482581;1391625242;nubbins`;as opposed to russia where everything is great 482582;1391625248;nubbins`;and all are smart 482583;1391625263;Dimsler__;lol russia is not a fucking utopia 482584;1391625277;nubbins`;wait, i thought it was at the top of your list? 482585;1391625282;asciilifeform;last i checked, usury is in perfect health in russia. 482586;1391625286;Dimsler__;did i fucking name a country? 482587;1391625316;nubbins`;yes 482588;1391625320;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#482517 482589;1391625323;nubbins`;try to keep up 482590;1391625324;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 482591;1391625344;nubbins`;lel 482592;1391625355;pLambert;What about Somalia, I thought they were supposed to be Utopia? 482593;1391625361;nubbins`;you can't even keep track of all the things you're mad at, can you? 482594;1391625365;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [-] 482595;1391625376;nubbins`;pLambert: loose financials, conservative values 482596;1391625380;nubbins`;no extradition to USA 482597;1391625389;nubbins`;no OECD compliance 482598;1391625407;nubbins`;by dimmy's criteria, somalia is the promised land 482599;1391625426;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1212 @ 0.00084009 = 1.0182 BTC [+] {3} 482600;1391625437;nubbins`;hell, there are hardly even any anglos or jews there! 482601;1391625475;pLambert;but there might be too many Muslims, I think Dimmy said those are bad too? 482602;1391625485;nubbins`;hmm yes that is true 482603;1391625487;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.5100751 = 2.0403 BTC [-] {4} 482604;1391625494;nubbins`;it's cool tho if you just stay inside 482605;1391625498;pLambert;How about Antacrtica? 482606;1391625525;nubbins`;no manufacturing 482607;1391625535;pLambert;is that a criteria now too? 482608;1391625541;nubbins`;i think it always was 482609;1391625550;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#482323 482610;1391625553;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 482611;1391625559;pLambert;Just build your own factory? 482612;1391625570;nubbins`;nah then transport is the problem 482613;1391625579;nubbins`;too bad you can't make money on the internet 482614;1391625581;nubbins`;otherwise it'd be perfect 482615;1391625587;asciilifeform;'in my country there's a problem, and that problem is transport...' 482616;1391625591;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#482333 482617;1391625595;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 482618;1391625614;nubbins`;it's almost like dimmy just runs the mouth without making any lucid points 482619;1391625615;Dimsler__;lol 482620;1391625619;Dimsler__;you guys are seirously stupid 482621;1391625630;nubbins`;if you're smart, i'm ok with being stupid 482622;1391625682;mircea_popescu; What about Somalia, I thought they were supposed to be Utopia? <<< they used to be but then kako got snowed in. 482623;1391625717;asciilifeform;Dimsler__: if you'd like to live in New York circa 1890, you will have to build it. tears have never built anything. 482624;1391625721;nubbins`;sullen pouty sooky-bum complaining about all he witnesses yet adding nothing of value to anyone or anything 482625;1391625731;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.00084065 = 0.1261 BTC [+] 482626;1391625746;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you clearly don't understand the internet. 482627;1391625753;nubbins`;clearly 482628;1391625760;mircea_popescu;everclearly. 482629;1391625825;nubbins`;"you guys are seirously stupid" should be on the cover of the -assets book 482630;1391625876;mircea_popescu;you have no idea what an assets book entails. 482631;1391625884;mircea_popescu;my logs are > 50mb and i only log when i'm on 482632;1391625899;nubbins`;do you even read those logs? ;( 482633;1391625906;nubbins`;choice quotes accompanied by ASCII porn 482634;1391625914;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.00084066 = 0.2522 BTC [+] 482635;1391625927;nubbins`;it kind of lost steam around the point that we realized there aren't any ASCII artists in here 482636;1391625938;asciilifeform;emacs, 'artist mode' 482637;1391625945;nubbins`;too large 482638;1391625950;nubbins`;gotta create by hand 482639;1391625954;asciilifeform;http://emacs-fu.blogspot.com/2009/01/drawing-pictures.html 482640;1391625955;ozbot;emacs-fu: drawing pictures 482641;1391625975;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 400 @ 0.00084075 = 0.3363 BTC [+] {2} 482642;1391625976;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i grep tehm 482643;1391625978;nubbins`;ah, okay 482644;1391625985;nubbins`;that might actually work 482645;1391626001;nubbins`;i can't be fucked to draw 50 ascii porn shots tho 482646;1391626060;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdca8l9VJe1qdlh1io1_400.gif << this should be on the cover of the assets book 482647;1391626068;mircea_popescu;representing the noobie de-lurking 482648;1391626111;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#480603 482649;1391626115;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 482650;1391626137;nubbins`;heh, i like that 482651;1391626141;KRS-;heh 482652;1391626172;nubbins`;could even make it a periodical 482653;1391626176;punkman1;hah http://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/02/file-your-taxes-before-the-fraudsters-do/ 482654;1391626183;nubbins`;"-assets quarterly" 482655;1391626188;nubbins`;-AQ for short 482656;1391626194;nubbins`;-aQ i guess 482657;1391626202;KRS-One;Improve your I.Q. with aQ. 482658;1391626219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00084077 = 0.1682 BTC [+] 482659;1391626230;mircea_popescu;more iq with the aq 482660;1391626252;mircea_popescu;According to a 2013 report from the Treasury Inspector Generals office, the U.S. Internal Revenue Service (IRS) issued nearly $4 billion in bogus tax refunds in 2012. The money largely was sent to people who stole Social Security numbers and other information on U.S. citizens, and then filed fraudulent tax returns on those individuals claiming a large refund but at a different address. 482661;1391626267;mircea_popescu;dude the fiat system works so well, i have no idea why all these people talk about bitcoin threats and whatnot 482662;1391626637;nubbins`;hmm 482663;1391626651;nubbins`;fuck this, i've got work to do! 482664;1391626999;mircea_popescu;http://www.ohmagif.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/please-wait-i-need-to-play-in-the-puddle.gif 482665;1391627135;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [-] 482666;1391627195;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04777776 = 0.2389 BTC [-] 482667;1391627866;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.08811427 = 0.6168 BTC [+] {5} 482668;1391628003;pankkake;"difficulty" : 62719.43923596 482669;1391628294;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [-] 482670;1391628864;ThickAsThieves;thats Altcoin? 482671;1391628964;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.000825 = 0.2063 BTC [-] {3} 482672;1391629285;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: I've got my Altcoin shill piece in http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/02/04/memes-go-meta-altcoin-unveiled-this-past-weekend/ 482673;1391629418;jurov;how much for it? 482674;1391629453;davout;hello 482675;1391629474;jurov;hi 482676;1391629494;jurov;eur => x.eur transfers working already? 482677;1391629517;davout;you want moar? 482678;1391629545;jurov;not atm, just curious if you finished it 482679;1391629548;BingoBoingo;jurov: Twas gratis 482680;1391629561;davout;yep 482681;1391629757;jurov;i don't see any interface.. one needs to ask you over email or irc? 482682;1391629772;davout;yes, it works but it isn't automated 482683;1391630249;jurov;k 482684;1391630612;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09979999 = 0.1996 BTC [-] {2} 482685;1391630613;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [-] 482686;1391630736;mircea_popescu;;;later tell herbijudlestoids re the "greater point", http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/ 482687;1391630736;gribble;The operation succeeded. 482688;1391630821;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "other, less meta altcoins" you mean "other, less alt metacoins" or "same, less coin metaalts" ? 482689;1391630842;mircea_popescu;because it could be taken in any number of ways 482690;1391630850;BingoBoingo;Because meta 482691;1391630861;BingoBoingo;Reader has to decide 482692;1391630887;BingoBoingo;Shit happen when I write sober 482693;1391630899;Asa9;lol 482694;1391630999;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMK7zUEeNGI 482695;1391631000;ozbot;Seinfeld: Conrad, Connie or Con - YouTube 482696;1391631039;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 800 @ 0.00301897 = 2.4152 BTC [-] {5} 482697;1391631040;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00532245 = 0.5322 BTC [-] {7} 482698;1391631087;mircea_popescu;wow that point re metaphysics is actually incredibly strong 482699;1391631099;mircea_popescu;it just gave me one of those inception moments. 482700;1391631107;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what schooling did you do ? 482701;1391631221;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Four years of kinds mushed together aimless undergrad mixing drinking, philosophy, economics and math, then two years of philosophy grad school I quit, the two years of Library graduate school with an absofuckinglutely worthless degree, followed by discovering Oh, that bitcoin stuff is money. 482702;1391631238;mircea_popescu;where ? 482703;1391631317;BingoBoingo;Undergrad was indescriminate budget small liberal arts college (Socially Liberal Methodist variety). Philosophy was at Southern Illinois University Carbondale. 482704;1391631340;mircea_popescu;so i gather you're the poster child of the confused generation. 482705;1391631351;BingoBoingo;Definitely. 482706;1391631361;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1587365/plain/) 482707;1391631361;mircea_popescu;!b 2 482708;1391631365;mircea_popescu;no, seriously... 482709;1391631379;mircea_popescu;#bitcoin cures, ladies and gents 482710;1391631385;deadweasel;amen 482711;1391631387;mircea_popescu;touch the screen now. heal! HEAL! 482712;1391631415;mircea_popescu;i think we packed enough meta in there to mine at least a dozen blocks. 482713;1391631427;ThickAsThieves;did somebody say metaphysics? 482714;1391631442;ThickAsThieves;BingoBoingo, thanks for the article! 482715;1391631453;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: You are very welcome. 482716;1391631466;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51997563 BTC [+] 482717;1391631537;BingoBoingo;That one hasn't made it to Slashdot though. Maybe if someone else with a Slashot account submits it there around 07:00 UTC and then post the link to the submission here Altcoin can make Slashdot. 482718;1391631561;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Bitcoin indeed cures. 482719;1391631709;BingoBoingo;Speaking of Physics, Platos cave, old meme. Descartes Meditations Meme. Maimonides God can only be defined in the negative, meme. Aristotle's powerpoint on the word "is" though still generates papers. 482720;1391631726;mircea_popescu;;;google trilema 482721;1391631726;gribble;Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Trilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Münchhausen trilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: 482722;1391631740;mircea_popescu;that sweet day when a misspelling takes over a) the correct spelling ; b) wikipedia 482723;1391631808;asciilifeform;i thought the single 'm' was the Ro. spelling. 482724;1391631814;mircea_popescu;it is. 482725;1391631856;mircea_popescu;i think in googleterms "misspelling" is actually less of a stretch than "obscure language word" 482726;1391631893;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51997563 = 1.04 BTC [+] 482727;1391631945;BingoBoingo;In Google Terms loosing Hearn was a tragedy. 482728;1391631955;BingoBoingo;Hearn was perfect for Google 482729;1391631968;mircea_popescu;did he actually do anything while there ? 482730;1391632007;mircea_popescu;the narrative i heard is more along the lines of "oh, yet another one of the schmucks that spend some time here doing nothing to be able to put google on their cv" 482731;1391632036;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Dunno if he did. Just seems the way he is wanting to ruin BTC fall inline with the ways Google wants to ruin TCP 482732;1391632057;mircea_popescu;i doubt google wants anything anymore per se 482733;1391632060;mircea_popescu;other than FOOOOODDDD 482734;1391632070;BingoBoingo;Lol 482735;1391632125;BingoBoingo;Looks like I missed Dimsler__ but it seems I can recognize his ideal state: West Virginia. 482736;1391632130;pankkake;you mean brainssss? 482737;1391632207;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: colleague of mine just moved there. now he's getting 100K/sec. 482738;1391632301;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well they also lack suburbs, have manufactering (of prisons), aren't really inside the US (Sentences to the prisons there are practically exile), and the people are awfully friendly if you don't try to get into any of their rackets. 482739;1391632440;mircea_popescu;pankkake after they get big enough and public enough, no force in the world can keep a corporation alligned to its long term interest. 482740;1391632447;mircea_popescu;this i suspect is the eventual fate of mpoe too 482741;1391632464;mircea_popescu;all that remains is a dull ache for more revenue 482742;1391632582;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: So roughly 5 years after you cede the controlling interest, MPOE seats go down to tens of Satoshis? 482743;1391632655;Duffer1;mpoe bot will be self aware, buy it's freedom 482744;1391632708;BingoBoingo;Duffer1: Maybe it tried that yesterday... 482745;1391632713;pankkake;it won't be satoshis, it will be doges 482746;1391632729;asciilifeform;slavecoins. 482747;1391632748;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 183 @ 0.00084077 = 0.1539 BTC [+] 482748;1391632784;BingoBoingo;pankkake: No one will remember Doge then. It will be HerpBuxx. Named after teen singer Derp Heiperp 482749;1391632828;pankkake;I came up with a new altcoin idea. FuckCoin. so you can give a FUCK 482750;1391632862;pankkake;btw: http://bitbet.us/bet/733/doge-still-woofing-on-april-fools-day/ 482751;1391632931;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.102245 = 0.2045 BTC [+] {2} 482752;1391632940;BingoBoingo;I have a cold storage address that starts as 1fuck (all lowercase) and lacking firstbits rights. Barely anything there. Doubt I'll awaken it until Million Dollar BTC (Much happier last chapter to that film than Million Dollar Baby). 482753;1391632982;mircea_popescu;<BingoBoingo> pankkake: No one will remember Doge then. It will be HerpBuxx. Named after teen singer Derp Heiperp << 482754;1391633053;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2166 @ 0.00011653 = 0.2524 BTC [-] {8} 482755;1391633093;pankkake;http://i.imgur.com/9adVwOX.jpg 482756;1391633093;BingoBoingo;I mean there isn't an AllYourBaseCoin or a BoxxyCoin, the reason is that time is unkind to memes 482757;1391633113;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [-] {2} 482758;1391633172;Duffer1;still no substitute for audrey :( 482759;1391633174;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04520001 = 0.1808 BTC [-] 482760;1391633180;BingoBoingo;pankkake: With maybe exception for Marie and Indira most on that list can get the ??? 482761;1391633194;BingoBoingo;I mean Di barely made it into the 90's 482762;1391633273;BingoBoingo;Since I'm not all that anon anyways (Thank you metaNSA) I'll throw out the undergrad school http://www.mckendree.edu/ 482763;1391633296;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 183 @ 0.0008408 = 0.1539 BTC [+] 482764;1391633298;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1353 @ 0.00301 = 4.0725 BTC [-] 482765;1391633381;pankkake;at least the whites are at the top 482766;1391633402;dub;I think pankkake is on to something 482767;1391633415;dub;we beed a way to account for fucks given 482768;1391633418;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.000841 = 0.1682 BTC [+] 482769;1391633431;dub;a fuckchain secured by proof of fuck is appropriate 482770;1391633462;BingoBoingo;dub: Fetus sealed in lucite as proof of work? 482771;1391633533;ThickAsThieves;rumplestiltscoin 482772;1391633561;pankkake;at least "orphaned block" will mean something 482773;1391633572;BingoBoingo;LOL 482774;1391633590;mircea_popescu;aha 482775;1391633594;mircea_popescu;+j 482776;1391633597;mircea_popescu;jesus 482777;1391633601;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 600 @ 0.00084188 = 0.5051 BTC [+] 482778;1391633653;mircea_popescu;http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mehas5sRji1raprkq.gif 482779;1391633723;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 125 @ 0.00084199 = 0.1052 BTC [+] 482780;1391633784;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 375 @ 0.00084199 = 0.3157 BTC [+] 482781;1391633801;pankkake;http://totoz.eu/img/shiba_coincoin 482782;1391633906;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.00529952 = 0.3498 BTC [-] {5} 482783;1391634211;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1969 @ 0.00301 = 5.9267 BTC [-] 482784;1391634598;ThickAsThieves;"Hrm... what will we call fractions of an ATC? How about "altoshi"?" 482785;1391634605;ThickAsThieves;"Altoids." 482786;1391634610;ThickAsThieves;"Paradimes?" 482787;1391634635;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Xenos 482788;1391634639;ThickAsThieves;if i could, i'd change the source to not have decimals 482789;1391634642;ThickAsThieves;useless 482790;1391634664;benkay;altoids lol 482791;1391634697;ThickAsThieves;maybe thatll be the next coin 482792;1391634705;ThickAsThieves;Paradime 482793;1391634710;ThickAsThieves;no decimals 482794;1391634726;ThickAsThieves;"the only alternative to Altcoin" 482795;1391634763;mircea_popescu;altoids lol 482796;1391634791;mircea_popescu;code has no decimals as it is. 482797;1391634805;ThickAsThieves;really? 482798;1391634815;ThickAsThieves;so bitcoin didnt have it when it started? 482799;1391634846;FabianB;satoshi 482800;1391634856;FabianB;calculating money should never be done with decimals 482801;1391634874;ThickAsThieves;who the hell put it in there? 482802;1391634881;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: BTC values are all ints where 1 satoshi == 1 482803;1391634895;pankkake;decimals are fine, floats are not :) 482804;1391634908;deadweasel;metas? 482805;1391634908;FabianB;yeah 482806;1391634949;ThickAsThieves;people are nuts if they think people will start talking in ubtc and mbtc and shit 482807;1391634994;pankkake;the French eventually switched to New Francs 482808;1391635002;pankkake;of course, it was in the other direction 482809;1391635012;BingoBoingo;This shit should be like BTC 101, All BTC values are ints built from 1 satoshi == 1. How to configure a miner shouldn't even exist until BTC 320. 482810;1391635040;ThickAsThieves;so why is it called bitcoin 482811;1391635044;ThickAsThieves;and not Satoshi 482812;1391635045;Namworld;Would anyone be interested in loaning me 290 BTC @ 10% per year, with collateral? 482813;1391635107;ThickAsThieves;doesnt that kinda request come with more info usually? 482814;1391635126;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0998 = 0.1996 BTC [-] 482815;1391635136;BingoBoingo;Namworld: Sure. Application consists of a video of you self performing a lung lobectomy and videotaping it. Poor form when applying sutures is grounds for denial. 482816;1391635187;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [+] 482817;1391635309;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [-] 482818;1391635363;Namworld;I'll self-perform a lung lobectomy on YOU and videotape it. (You didn't say on "you performing on yourself" but "you self perform", which means I only have to perform it myself, not on myself) 482819;1391635407;BingoBoingo;Namworld: And we get back to meta. Isn't Altcoin awesome? 482820;1391635431;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10449 BTC [+] 482821;1391635444;asciilifeform;sepukkucoin. 482822;1391635475;davout;!ticker m ^oix 482823;1391635475;assbot;[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 122.22370491 / 105.56529382 / 105.38554991 (1211 shares, 27.25 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) 482824;1391635521;davout;mircea_popescu: shouldn't the oix displayed be divided by the lot size? 482825;1391635531;davout;for clarity 482826;1391635553;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10449 BTC [+] 482827;1391635561;FabianB;looks like stable price period will continue 482828;1391635601;Namworld;Well loaning BTC has definitly gotten impossible. 482829;1391635613;BingoBoingo;I wonder what GangnamCoin would be trading at today if it was released last year? 482830;1391635618;ThickAsThieves;that oix doesnt seem right 482831;1391635627;ThickAsThieves;wheres all the volume from yesterday 482832;1391635636;davout;it takes only sales into account 482833;1391635649;ThickAsThieves;doe sthat make sense? 482834;1391635654;mircea_popescu;davout i guess it should, but this clarity thing... 482835;1391635654;davout;the bot bought the puts yesterday 482836;1391635675;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10449 BTC [+] 482837;1391635676;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.51997563 = 2.0799 BTC [+] 482838;1391635738;Namworld;Please inquire, assuming anyone has the capital at all. 482839;1391635749;davout;lol 482840;1391635919;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1045 BTC [+] 482841;1391635986;davout;ThickAsThieves: i guess taking into account purchases by the market maker bot mixes the bot's opinion into the OIX, which doesn't seem to be desired 482842;1391636056;ThickAsThieves;i dunno about that 482843;1391636069;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/431178977219072001 482844;1391636070;ozbot;Twitter / BBoingo: @etploshay @CathyReisenwitz ... 482845;1391636078;ThickAsThieves;it was the seller that desired to sell 482846;1391636085;ThickAsThieves;at whatever price 482847;1391636163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00093513 = 11.6424 BTC [+] {2} 482848;1391636163;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1095 BTC [+] 482849;1391636330;ThickAsThieves;https://twitter.com/search?q=%23whoisneo&src=hash 482850;1391636332;ozbot;Twitter / Search - #whoisneo 482851;1391636371;lippoper;yes! ozbot! 482852;1391636373;lippoper;.bait me 482853;1391636374;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/45db538e1e1c5c54e0a1037421ce444d/tumblr_mfy6lp4qgz1rhwvw0o1_500.jpg 482854;1391636555;mircea_popescu;http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mecrrr8ViX1raprkq.gif 482855;1391636741;davout;the jimmothy thread converted to .gif ? 482856;1391636783;mircea_popescu;lol 482857;1391636802;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/HzrEB.gif 482858;1391636856;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/7xpOF.gif << and this'd be everyone ELSE in that thread. 482859;1391636967;davout;you're making me want to watch videos of these crazy japanese dudes doing irl video fx 482860;1391637017;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0452 = 0.2712 BTC [-] {2} 482861;1391637022;davout;fuck, this makes zero sense 482862;1391637031;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/4pGbC.jpg 482863;1391637054;davout;yeah, pretty much 482864;1391637078;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [-] 482865;1391637301;jurov;http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/nbc-all-visitors-sochi-olympics-immediately-hacked_778718.html heh 482866;1391637307;ozbot;NBC: All Visitors to Sochi Olympics Immediately Hacked | The Weekly Standard 482867;1391637322;mircea_popescu;jurov did you see the one with the pillows ? 482868;1391637340;jurov;which? hotel pillows? 482869;1391637349;jurov;perhaps not 482870;1391637355;davout;jurov: sounds like a headline the onion would make 482871;1391637361;mircea_popescu;;;google sochi out of pillows athletes 482872;1391637362;gribble;Sochi Is Running Out of Pillows - Vocativ: ; Sochi venues turning into Olympic-style nightmares « Hot Air: ; From Sochi, journalists report Winter Olympics woes: poor conditions: evaluation criteria: management teams, past performance 482911;1391639090;benkay; the gox mgmt team has a history of incompetence 482912;1391639090;benkay; the gox operation as a history of completely fucking it up 482913;1391639092;benkay; has* [14:05] 482914;1391639096;benkay; and also yes, i put a huge risk premium on anything having to do with 482915;1391639099;benkay;btc. anyone with whom i'm going to put btc on deposit must have a 482916;1391639102;benkay;completely stellar and unsmirched record. 482917;1391639105;benkay; coins will drift out of wallets operated by people who do not adhere 482918;1391639108;benkay;to this philosophy. 482919;1391639149;pLambert;so does mtgox not have any bitcoins, or do they just not have any in their hot wallet? 482920;1391639160;benkay;question of the day. 482921;1391639167;BingoBoingo;Is there an Ohio BTC channel? I need to remind them that they live in a bubbling shitpit and their rivers are flamable. 482922;1391639183;benkay;second question of the day: how long does it take them to move weight into their hot wallet? 482923;1391639187;BingoBoingo;pLambert: They never had enough. Not since 2010 by my count. 482924;1391639192;benkay;third question of the day: can they survive a bank run? 482925;1391639213;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.51997563 = 2.0799 BTC [+] 482926;1391639227;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves whassat ? 482927;1391639228;BingoBoingo;benkay: They've already died in fiat bankruns. Dunno how BTC bank runs can make gox more dead. 482928;1391639229;punkman;when did they start running fractional reserve anyway? 482929;1391639234;pLambert;bank run? if there is no bitcoin they just stop allowing withdrawals 482930;1391639247;BingoBoingo;punkman: They went fractional in 2010 after their first hack. 482931;1391639266;ThickAsThieves;well let's be absurd about it: Current Avg Withdrawal * Current Stuck Transactions = 41662.5btc 482932;1391639275;mircea_popescu;punkman it's unclear but it was announced in april 2013. 482933;1391639285;pLambert;and how many millions were seized by the US through dwolla? 482934;1391639287;ThickAsThieves; ThickAsThieves whassat ? <<< to learn how to hold onto your bitcoins 482935;1391639292;ThickAsThieves;:) 482936;1391639296;mircea_popescu;wait what'd i do ?! 482937;1391639304;ThickAsThieves; ThickAsThieves srsly, if mtgox closes this month those puts will likely hurt. 482938;1391639306;punkman;guess when they lost millions to Dwolla might have been a good time 482939;1391639309;mircea_popescu;if mtgox goes to shit puts hurt mpoebot makes dough 482940;1391639333;mircea_popescu;punkman the dwolla thing sunk tradehill, but mtgox was not seriously affected then. 482941;1391639352;mircea_popescu;in fact i still suspect the dwolla thing was a backroom deal between the two to strangle competition. 482942;1391639364;ThickAsThieves;you mean if gox goes to shit by not allowing bitcoin exits, i mean by not allowing fiat exits 482943;1391639369;ThickAsThieves;right? 482944;1391639370;davout;mircea_popescu: if mtgox goes down you think btc goes down too? 482945;1391639370;mircea_popescu;yes. 482946;1391639374;pLambert;I think the mtgoox has shrunk enough that if they close it will not destroy the exchange rate 482947;1391639384;mircea_popescu;davout even if it only goes down a little through mtgox being taken out of the basket. 482948;1391639395;pLambert;and people have been pricing in the expected collapse of mtgox for almost a year now 482949;1391639399;mircea_popescu;currently they're adding a few %s to the avg. 482950;1391639408;davout;mircea_popescu: oic 482951;1391639430;mircea_popescu;pLambert this is more of a nominalist thing than anything. bitcoin's long term prospects w/o mtgox are way better than with it. 482952;1391639435;ThickAsThieves;I read the $5m were seized from Gox related to silk road 482953;1391639452;ThickAsThieves;they probly let those dollars get spent on btc 482954;1391639458;mircea_popescu;in fact, the destruction of the original scumfest (the people gorupped around blf, bitcoinica, mtgox, the foundation) is the best thing that can happen for btc. 482955;1391639466;mircea_popescu;and well... chip chip. 482956;1391639491;pLambert;mircea_popescu: if mtgox had suddenly shut down when they had 90% of the market the price would tank, now the price might slip a bit but not much 482957;1391639507;mircea_popescu;they keep trying comebacks, but they aren't getting anywhere with them. meanwhile they bleed marketshare on good days, and they get taken out wholesale now and again. 482958;1391639542;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Those GOx seizures were pre-TSR bust 482959;1391639548;punkman;they don't even make the top 5 in volume most days 482960;1391639564;ThickAsThieves;I know 482961;1391639574;davout;from the wiki in 2015: "victim of its own success mtgox will went back to trading magic the gathering cards in summer 2014" 482962;1391639578;ThickAsThieves;but recently revealed more info 482963;1391639595;ThickAsThieves;i swear i read somewhere that SR was actually part of it 482964;1391639602;ThickAsThieves;just that it couldnt be announced back then 482965;1391639634;ThickAsThieves;could also be what fucked up the Coinlab thing 482966;1391639640;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1099 = 0.3297 BTC [+] 482967;1391639641;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51997563 BTC [+] 482968;1391639655;ThickAsThieves;other than it involving coinlab... 482969;1391639733;mircea_popescu;lol. right. coinlab needed so much help. 482970;1391639816;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=449932.0 << believe it or not, someone still says "information superhighway". not ironically. 482971;1391639818;ozbot;Petition-LETTER to regulator Ben Lawsky of NY "The World is Watching on Bitcoin" 482972;1391639906;ThickAsThieves;i suspect Lawsky doesnt need to be sent a letter 482973;1391639926;jurov;;;bc,stats 482974;1391639928;gribble;Current Blocks: 284354 | Current Difficulty: 2.6214044530646152E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 286271 | Next Difficulty In: 1917 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 9 hours, 51 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2828879503.75 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.91465 482975;1391639969;mircea_popescu;yeah, probably the head of the boss of whatever mob family paid for his position would work better. 482976;1391640624;ThickAsThieves;http://investor-relations.thestreet.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=823490 482977;1391640625;ozbot;New Survey: 79% Of Consumers Would Never Consider Using Alternative Currency Like Bitcoin (NASDAQ:TS 482978;1391640637;mircea_popescu;derp. 482979;1391640677;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [-] 482980;1391640756;mircea_popescu;im sorry i don't have a handy link to the 1905 study asking the population of manchester if they'd ever fly across the atlantic in a plane. 482981;1391640860;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C095T] 100 @ 0.02383907 = 2.3839 BTC [-] 482982;1391640860;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.10918 = 0.5459 BTC [+] {2} 482983;1391640921;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.11 = 0.33 BTC [+] 482984;1391640982;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1061 @ 0.001773 = 1.8812 BTC [+] 482985;1391641043;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.11 = 0.55 BTC [+] 482986;1391641104;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.11 = 0.88 BTC [+] {3} 482987;1391641105;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.09966666 = 0.299 BTC [-] {2} 482988;1391641166;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+] 482989;1391641226;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+] 482990;1391641409;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2070 @ 0.000121 = 0.2505 BTC [-] {2} 482991;1391641470;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.0001205 = 0.3615 BTC [-] 482992;1391641513;btc-monkey;Damn Gox going down hard 482993;1391641530;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 482994;1391641531;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 930 @ 0.00012 = 0.1116 BTC [-] 482995;1391641532;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 908.79667, Best ask: 909.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.20333, Last trade: 905.0, 24 hour volume: 4942.50335387, 24 hour low: 900.0, 24 hour high: 939.93, 24 hour vwap: 917.68982 482996;1391641532;assbot;123! 482997;1391641545;ThickAsThieves;i suppose its better to have goxcash than goxcoins 482998;1391641553;mircea_popescu;o shit 482999;1391641564;mircea_popescu;one doesn't preclude the other and now you've jinxed it haven't you 483000;1391641574;mircea_popescu;karpeles will be making wafflecoin this year 483001;1391641582;deadweasel;https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/02/eff-challenges-new-jersey-subpoena-issued-mit-student-bitcoin-developers 483002;1391641584;ozbot;EFF Challenges New Jersey Subpoena Issued to MIT Student Bitcoin Developers | Electronic Frontier Fo 483003;1391641593;jurov;meanwhile in slovenia, bitstamp goes overboard with doxing 483004;1391641594;ThickAsThieves;convert all your gox bitcoins to BounceyBallCoins! 483005;1391641610;jurov;i heard compalints they have very creepy questions 483006;1391641624;jurov;and want to reverify documents 483007;1391641643;mircea_popescu;someone should just cut the gordian knot already and do SiPexchange. 483008;1391641653;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] 483009;1391641654;mircea_popescu;they send you a pen, you film yourself fucking the pen and send the thing over 483010;1391641656;BingoBoingo;I'm telling you gox could say Gox BTC == 10^8 Gox USD tomorrow, because all is play money 483011;1391641659;mircea_popescu;you may now trade. 483012;1391641701;ThickAsThieves;it's gonna be a bloody evening 483013;1391641714;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 483014;1391641731;mircea_popescu;But in December, the New Jersey Division of Consumer Affairs issued a subpoena to Rubin, requesting he turn over Tidbit's past and current source code, as well as other documents and agreements with any third parties. It also issued 27 interrogatories -- formal written questions -- requesting additional documents and ordering Rubin to turn over information like the names and identities of all Bitcoin wallet addresses a 483015;1391641731;mircea_popescu;ssociated with Tidbit, a list of all websites running Tidbit's code and the name of anybody whose computer mined for Bitcoins through the use of Tidbit, although Tidbit's code was not configured to mine for Bitcoins. 483016;1391641740;mircea_popescu;dude srsly ? how is the us legal system still a thing ? 483017;1391641750;mircea_popescu;the only reasonable answer to this sort of crap being "get fucked" 483018;1391641765;mircea_popescu;what business sends over its book just because someone wants to see it ?! 483019;1391641774;herbijudlestoids;morning folks :) 483020;1391641812;mircea_popescu;ello 483021;1391641894;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://nj.gov/oag/newsreleases13/pr20131119a.html << there you go, esports botnet. 483022;1391641899;mircea_popescu;total take ? why, like 3500 bucks. 483023;1391641958;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 483024;1391641975;herbijudlestoids;so last night i was thinking of forking tails, and ripping out tor and filling it with i2p app goodness 483025;1391641984;herbijudlestoids;because right now the latest tails is one version behind on i2p 483026;1391641993;DrSteveBrule;hello everyone :) 483027;1391641995;herbijudlestoids;but i found this http://www.ipredia.org/ ...unfortunately also one version behind 483028;1391642022;mircea_popescu;are you so certain of i2p strength ? 483029;1391642045;herbijudlestoids;nope, if i was, i wouldnt bother with OTR 483030;1391642054;mircea_popescu;so then why bother. 483031;1391642075;mircea_popescu;tho an actually secure replacement for the web would be a decent use of bitcoin resources. 483032;1391642080;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 83 @ 0.00325 = 0.2698 BTC [+] 483033;1391642093;mircea_popescu;not even compatible, mind you. pick port 90 and create a wholly and completely different thing. 483034;1391642113;mircea_popescu;ideally based on a stateful protocol. 483035;1391642115;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: there was a guy very much like satoshi who came up with iip/i2p originally....very smart guy, i remember i used to hang on the #iip chatroom inside iip back when i was a kid 483036;1391642130;herbijudlestoids;its pretty secure 483037;1391642135;herbijudlestoids;but i cant really be sure 483038;1391642154;mircea_popescu;pretty secure crypto is like reasonably healthy whore. 483039;1391642163;herbijudlestoids;i view it as like...sort of like a 'actually secure replacement for the s/web/internet' ...kind of like a public VPN that anyone can piss in 483040;1391642245;herbijudlestoids;the problem with i2p is the problem with all p2p networks 483041;1391642265;mircea_popescu;nah, you want an adressing scheme where the routing of packets depends on the destination's identity. 483042;1391642285;mircea_popescu;that came out stupid. 483043;1391642304;mircea_popescu;you want an adressing scheme where the reading of packets depends on the destination's identity. 483044;1391642312;mircea_popescu;some sort of "gpg encrypted to ip" 483045;1391642324;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+] 483046;1391642325;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51250021 BTC [-] 483047;1391642326;mircea_popescu;if you're not X the packet's gibberish 483048;1391642363;mircea_popescu;makes all route nodes unable to filter traffic, plain and simple. 483049;1391642376;mircea_popescu;built-in net neutrality. 483050;1391642403;herbijudlestoids;explain 483051;1391642432;mircea_popescu;you familiar with gpg right ? 483052;1391642446;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 390 @ 0.00304796 = 1.1887 BTC [+] {3} 483053;1391642447;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 87 @ 0.00328189 = 0.2855 BTC [+] 483054;1391642462;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: yes, just wanting to see if what youre after is matched by https://geti2p.net/en/docs/how/garlic-routing 483055;1391642483;mircea_popescu;well, if i give you a list of gpg messages encrypted to a bunch of my friend's keys 483056;1391642489;mircea_popescu;all you can do is deliver them or not deliver them 483057;1391642504;mircea_popescu;you can't possibly deliver all those about apples, but keep all those about fish 483058;1391642587;mircea_popescu;meh, all this onion/garlic bs. 483059;1391642597;mircea_popescu;i am not at all interested in keeping secret my identity. 483060;1391642608;mircea_popescu;i am strictly interested in keeping secret the messages passed back and forth. 483061;1391642620;herbijudlestoids;well that seems a bit odd 483062;1391642632;mircea_popescu;tbh it seems to me all the enthusiasm of the darknet people is woefully misdirected. 483063;1391642633;herbijudlestoids;so you hold no concern over the security of your metadata? 483064;1391642637;mircea_popescu;none. 483065;1391642671;mircea_popescu;and i think mixing together securitization of data and of metadata is an epic mistake. 483066;1391642682;mircea_popescu;these are wildly divergent usecases. 483067;1391642693;mircea_popescu;moreover, it's like trying to make a chowchow swim. 483068;1391642710;mircea_popescu;you're better served by a dry chow chow and an otter. 483069;1391642769;herbijudlestoids;well i personally am not mixing them lol 483070;1391642772;mircea_popescu;see ? 483071;1391642775;mircea_popescu;nobody sane is mixing them 483072;1391642787;mircea_popescu;except the kids doing stuff like onions, garlic and other vegetables. 483073;1391642802;herbijudlestoids;do you feel like i2p at least makes a reasonable tool for metadata securitization, to use your term? 483074;1391642802;mircea_popescu;someone they have in their wot should tell them this is prime rib of stupid. separate these. 483075;1391642827;mircea_popescu;don't use that term lol, it's a direct pastiche from romanian and in english it's a term of art with diff meaning. 483076;1391642847;mircea_popescu;i have no idea if it does or doesn't and really can't be arsed to find out, cause what do i care. 483077;1391642868;mircea_popescu;but i tell you... i am mp. i have always been mp. everyone else is fkghsgeiohgiurehg. to what gain and for what benefit ? 483078;1391642869;mircea_popescu;none. 483079;1391642873;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1089 BTC [-] 483080;1391642881;mircea_popescu;it's just this stupid thing everyone does because everyone's doing. 483081;1391642888;mircea_popescu;"gotta have a sikrit nick!!1" 483082;1391642903;herbijudlestoids;lol let me be frank 483083;1391642916;mircea_popescu;ok, so you're frank. 483084;1391642917;herbijudlestoids;if i thought i could conduct the communicatoins i needed over OTR using jabber 483085;1391642920;herbijudlestoids;i would 483086;1391642939;herbijudlestoids;but there is certain communications that i simply dont want associated with my actual identity 483087;1391642957;herbijudlestoids;so i need a mixnet to handle the traffic 483088;1391642963;FabianB_;what you're describing sounds like cjdns (encryption of the network, but i think not anonymity) 483089;1391642965;mircea_popescu;what, exactly ? so i feel like posting nudes one day. herpderp what, god forbid someone associates it ? 483090;1391642969;mircea_popescu;let them associte it, what of. 483091;1391642969;herbijudlestoids;OTR keeps the actual messages secure 483092;1391642983;mircea_popescu;i think you're confused as to what otr actually does. 483093;1391643010;herbijudlestoids;FabianB_: i know cjdns, prefer i2p 483094;1391643022;mircea_popescu;FabianB_ iguess it does huh 483095;1391643032;FabianB_;herbijudlestoids: coz you want the anonymity i guess 483096;1391643069;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: why do you seem to think OTR does not encrypt the conversations? 483097;1391643075;herbijudlestoids;second time youve mentioned it 483098;1391643144;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids otr makes exactly two guarantees : that only your intended recipient can read your next line, and that should someone obtain the plaintext of your communications they can't prove that it is in fact yours rather than theirs. 483099;1391643178;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00012001 = 0.36 BTC [-] 483100;1391643179;mircea_popescu;it doesn't make the gpg guarantee that old conversations can never be read by third parties. 483101;1391643185;herbijudlestoids;... 483102;1391643198;herbijudlestoids;are you referring to perfect forward secrecy? 483103;1391643239;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.1089625 = 0.8717 BTC [+] {2} 483104;1391643246;mircea_popescu;that's probably a narrowing down, but anyway 483105;1391643300;herbijudlestoids;OTR implements perfect forward secrecyt 483106;1391643353;herbijudlestoids;each message has its own discarded AES key negotiated by DH 483107;1391643360;mircea_popescu;"Anyone can forge messages after a conversation to make them look like they came from you. However, during a conversation, your correspondent is assured the messages he sees are authentic and unmodified." 483108;1391643534;mircea_popescu;basically, otr guarantees stuff for during a conversation. not really for after it closes. 483109;1391643544;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.1099 = 0.9891 BTC [+] 483110;1391643545;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51250002 BTC [-] 483111;1391643554;mircea_popescu;this is reflected in many implementations - you can generally find plaintext logs of old otr convos if you dig up your log dir. 483112;1391643570;herbijudlestoids;lucky i use tails 483113;1391643613;mircea_popescu;i'm by no means saying otr is bad or anything. i use it extensively for that matter 483114;1391643663;herbijudlestoids;i find it confusing because you seem to imply the messages are not encrypted 483115;1391643702;herbijudlestoids;being able to forge additional messages post conversation really means nothing to my threat model 483116;1391643720;mircea_popescu;certainly they're encrypted. 483117;1391643752;herbijudlestoids;but theyre not "secure"? 483118;1391643771;mircea_popescu;did you just tell me you're promising to pay 10 btc for a stuffed dollie five minutes ago ? 483119;1391643831;mircea_popescu;cause if you didn't i'd guess it's possible the forging aditional messages may mean something even for your threat model :) 483120;1391643849;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1089 BTC [-] 483121;1391643853;herbijudlestoids;err no, because youre talking about tying my identity to a key 483122;1391643862;herbijudlestoids;who is this "me" who promised "you" a thing 483123;1391643868;herbijudlestoids;i dunno who that is 483124;1391643879;mircea_popescu;right. 483125;1391643895;mircea_popescu;kind-of why gribble implements ;;ident 483126;1391643927;herbijudlestoids;i got no issues with GPG, but most of the conversations where i care about the security of it, i dont want it tied to my identity if at all possible 483127;1391643936;herbijudlestoids;some things i work on, require very very high opsec 483128;1391643943;herbijudlestoids;at least for peace of mind 483129;1391643948;mircea_popescu;now, the security provided by ;;ident is necessary for business. the security provided by otr is necessary for gossip 483130;1391643960;mircea_popescu;since i do more business than gossip... i'm not so impressed with onion and garlic and so on. 483131;1391643971;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50550001 = 1.011 BTC [-] {2} 483132;1391643987;herbijudlestoids;ignore the nomenclature, i just pasted the link to see if it met your requirements of passing traffic based on keys 483133;1391643991;herbijudlestoids;which i think it does... 483134;1391644004;mircea_popescu;yeah, i'm just codgery and will find random things to bitch about 483135;1391644051;herbijudlestoids;im used to the type i guess lol, spent some time with owsley in his old age, very codger 483136;1391644067;mircea_popescu;In I2P, tunnels are unidirectional. Each party builds two tunnels, one for outbound and one for inbound traffic. Therefore, four tunnels are required for a single round-trip message and reply. 483137;1391644072;mircea_popescu;the overhead on this thing seems nutty. 483138;1391644093;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [+] 483139;1391644094;mircea_popescu;see, this is why i say it fails : the overhead imposed by all the sha(sha(sha(sha bs to keep metadata secret from downstream hops 483140;1391644098;mircea_popescu;makes it fucking unusable. 483141;1391644107;herbijudlestoids;its extremely usable 483142;1391644111;herbijudlestoids;im using it lol 483143;1391644113;mircea_popescu;just gpg the package and send it over. i definitely like fabian's cjdns much more 483144;1391644172;mircea_popescu;hey dub, what if all internet traffic henceforth needed 4 tunnels built up per connection ? 483145;1391644193;herbijudlestoids;lel 483146;1391644200;herbijudlestoids;why would you use it for all internet traffic 483147;1391644211;herbijudlestoids;the whole point is to use it for traffic that you dont want associated with your IP 483148;1391644238;mircea_popescu;you do not understand the nature of idiocy. 483149;1391644255;herbijudlestoids;always possible, explain it for me 483150;1391644299;mircea_popescu;the whole point of the bitcoin code was to prototype an idea, not to be used for srs. 483151;1391644324;mircea_popescu;and if you think the point of http was webstores... 483152;1391644345;herbijudlestoids;so youre saying? idiots will use i2p for uses other than its original use? 483153;1391644367;mircea_popescu;i'm saying that it is a design with massive overhead for dubious reasons. 483154;1391644374;mircea_popescu;imo, ianae etc. 483155;1391644459;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.109 = 0.327 BTC [+] 483156;1391644476;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu i want to send you a message. but i dont want anyone to know it was me that sent you the message 483157;1391644476;jurov;heh. last time you were completely fine with needing a middleman because both computers connected to "internet" are behind NAT 483158;1391644487;mircea_popescu;why not ? 483159;1391644492;jurov;that's unnecessary ovehead, too 483160;1391644528;mircea_popescu;jurov not in the same sense, is it ? nat is unnecessary overhead in the sense shoes are unnecessary overhead. 483161;1391644538;mircea_popescu;they're not overhead, they're undefoot. 483162;1391644559;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I have to say I underestimated you when you first arrived, but you are still only halfway to Bitcoin 483163;1391644571;BingoBoingo;Encryption is the boring part of GPG 483164;1391644582;BingoBoingo;Shit doesn't get interesting until signatures. 483165;1391644582;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu lets just say if certain people found out it was me who sent you the message, they could turn up at my doorstep and coerce more messages from me 483166;1391644594;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids so fyck you then, why am i talking to you ? 483167;1391644613;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Black bag / Rubber Hose cryptoanalysis is more expensive than people imagine. 483168;1391644649;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu well when i say you its the "example" you, not the actual mirpop you 483169;1391644657;mircea_popescu;but my point is : 483170;1391644660;herbijudlestoids;so for potentially any number of reasons. maybe we are organising a protest together 483171;1391644663;mircea_popescu;sure, the guardian may want to have a random info dead drop, and i guess they may even read it 483172;1391644664;herbijudlestoids;(im not) 483173;1391644679;mircea_popescu;tho it seems unlikely they would even read it, seeing how book publishers 20 years ago didn't read all the manuscripts they got 483174;1391644681;mircea_popescu;and those cost $$$ 483175;1391644694;mircea_popescu;but if you imagine random joe q person is going to spend resources to go through messages that cost nothing to make up 483176;1391644704;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.109 = 1.526 BTC [+] 483177;1391644705;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 483178;1391644706;mircea_popescu;and can't be traced to a source... you're nuts, plainly stated. 483179;1391644717;herbijudlestoids;i know my threat model :) 483180;1391644720;herbijudlestoids;i cant say too much about it 483181;1391644727;mircea_popescu;that's fine, forget your model. 483182;1391644728;ThickAsThieves;it's DPR! 483183;1391644735;mircea_popescu;think about what's likely to happen irl, when designing. 483184;1391644752;mircea_popescu;instead of starting from weird edge cases, which then result in insane implementations that protect things that in the end don't matter. 483185;1391644754;herbijudlestoids;but if youre willing to accept the idea that i might like to discuss things with someone and not have parties on the wire who can identify me conversating specifically with that person... 483186;1391644765;mircea_popescu;so the nsa knows i talked to a hooker. fuck them, i can post pics on trilema just as well. 483187;1391644777;ThickAsThieves;;;ticker 483188;1391644777;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 904.7, Best ask: 904.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 904.7, 24 hour volume: 7160.10059477, 24 hour low: 890.1731, 24 hour high: 939.93, 24 hour vwap: 911.77043 483189;1391644779;herbijudlestoids;soooo 483190;1391644790;mircea_popescu;i don't need an entire networking protocol to do that, tho. 483191;1391644804;mircea_popescu;by its very nature this is a rare occurence, best handled by exceptional means 483192;1391644813;mircea_popescu;a protocol is exactly the opposite of exceptional means. 483193;1391644820;herbijudlestoids;lets say iv hired you to be my security consultant then 483194;1391644823;herbijudlestoids;what would you suggest i do 483195;1391644830;herbijudlestoids;i give you the requirement, you must meet it, or not get paid. 483196;1391644837;lippoper;we only talk in person 483197;1391644842;mircea_popescu;on the data so far i'd suggest you get laid ? 483198;1391644843;herbijudlestoids;lippoper: i didnt hire you 483199;1391644849;lippoper;leave all electronics behind ;-) 483200;1391644850;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Who really doesn't matter. My "anonymity" is merely at the behest of polite requests to people who could confirm otherwise. Who talks to who is always difficult to hide. Focus on hiding the subject and the message. 483201;1391644855;asciilifeform;anyone who goes, 'i want crypto!' without some idea of the actual problem he is trying to solve, is in an advanced state of sin. 483202;1391644855;mircea_popescu;i mean... i still dunno what you're trying to accomplish. talk to the entire world secretly ? 483203;1391644864;lippoper;Well, that's your first problem ;-) 483204;1391644883;herbijudlestoids;no 483205;1391644898;mircea_popescu;so you are trying to talk to identified entity X without anyone but X knowing it's you talking to them ? 483206;1391644905;BingoBoingo;If everything abut you is secret you get ignored. 483207;1391644905;herbijudlestoids;yes. 483208;1391644911;mircea_popescu;is X friendly or hostile ? 483209;1391644916;herbijudlestoids;X is friendly 483210;1391644928;BingoBoingo;What is X is incredibly hostile? 483211;1391644931;lippoper;what about Y? 483212;1391644937;BingoBoingo;You just don't know it yet. 483213;1391644946;mircea_popescu;fine, call in to radio shows, have a modem buzzing in the background. 483214;1391644949;asciilifeform;if X is hostile, then anything X knows, the enemy learns immediately. 483215;1391644952;mircea_popescu;have them listen to radio shows 483216;1391644956;mircea_popescu;worked just fine in ww2. 483217;1391644961;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Bingo 483218;1391644979;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: thanks for adding some useless lines to the convo 483219;1391644990;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the q was to see if it's during or post delivery that the threat begins 483220;1391645019;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: the requirement is to talk over the internet 483221;1391645026;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids my general point here being that once you yielded to the adversary the identification of the channel, 483222;1391645032;mircea_popescu;you've already lost most of the battle. 483223;1391645036;mircea_popescu;keep the channel secret in your model. 483224;1391645039;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Imma just adding further reading. Sometimes the noise between the lines can have meaning. Even if it isn't obvious in your particular use case as you imagine. 483225;1391645069;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.109 = 0.218 BTC [+] 483226;1391645078;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: but i have not identified the channel 483227;1391645085;mircea_popescu;uh. 483228;1391645087;herbijudlestoids;all they could possibly know is that im using i2p 483229;1391645104;asciilifeform;steganography is an actual field, anyone for whom traffic analysis is more than an academic puzzle would do well to learn the basics; 483230;1391645106;herbijudlestoids;there could be a jabber server, irc server, even direct i2p-tunnel messages... 483231;1391645110;asciilifeform;but it is by its very nature non-standardizable. 483232;1391645111;BingoBoingo;i2p makes tor look easy. 483233;1391645144;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids so you're trying to gain some destandardization back. already a step in the right direction, but why do it this windows style. 483234;1391645149;mircea_popescu;just don't standardize i nthe first place. 483235;1391645158;herbijudlestoids;not sure what you mean 483236;1391645180;herbijudlestoids;what im saying is i can walk into the city, reaver a WPS pin, login using tails and communicate over irc/jabber/whatever over i2p 483237;1391645185;herbijudlestoids;how is the channel known 483238;1391645186;mircea_popescu;well i have the converse problem : not sure how to make it clearer. 483239;1391645243;herbijudlestoids;dear diary: today i hired mircea_popescu as a security consultant, and he told me to magically contact my counterpart to let them know they need to listen to eadio on certain frequency at certain time 483240;1391645252;asciilifeform;standardized stego (e.g. 'let's all encode messages in the lowest color bit of lolcat photos) is about as useful as the practice of hiding your house key under the door mat. 483241;1391645276;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids this is a decent point, in that you'll both need to be on the same page. 483242;1391645289;mircea_popescu;there's a long distance from this to making "a meta-protective protocol" tho. 483243;1391645299;mircea_popescu;just finish each message with "next message in the form of lolcats" 483244;1391645303;mircea_popescu;again, worked fine in ww2. 483245;1391645315;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Twist in the plot: key under the rug can't withstand the torque necessary to turn the lock and breaks inside... 483246;1391645332;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: these are literally the problems OTR was designed to solve lol 483247;1391645353;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: grenade sans pin with the spoon held down by the rug, if you like. 483248;1391645355;herbijudlestoids;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_millionaire 483249;1391645357;ozbot;Socialist millionaire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 483250;1391645431;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I an imagining less explosions, but kind of yes. Sabotaged key under the rug that is both useless and leaves a trace of attempts at its use. 483251;1391645463;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids otr protects your meta-data now ? 483252;1391645474;mircea_popescu;i gues in the sense of no signatures... 483253;1391645487;asciilifeform;herbijudlestoids: what problem would you actually like to solve? that is, what is the portrait of the enemy? and what is to be protected? 483254;1391645501;herbijudlestoids;asciilifeform: i cant really tell you that 483255;1391645507;asciilifeform;no need to be specific 483256;1391645513;asciilifeform;just generalities 483257;1391645517;herbijudlestoids;the problem i would like to solve, is very very simple 483258;1391645523;asciilifeform;e.g. 'nsa' and 'warez' 483259;1391645554;herbijudlestoids;there is another geek, somewhere on the internet. we work on a project together. if someone wanted to attack that project, the easiest way would be to find out who ran it 483260;1391645565;herbijudlestoids;we need to talk...maybe once a month or less... 483261;1391645568;herbijudlestoids;over the internet. 483262;1391645574;asciilifeform;talk in real time? 483263;1391645577;herbijudlestoids;yes. 483264;1391645587;mircea_popescu;i doubt otr actually covers this case. 483265;1391645598;herbijudlestoids;it has to be impossible for anyone to ever use those communicatoins to find out who is running the project. 483266;1391645611;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: i told you like 50 times we are using OTR to encrypt conversations that take place over i2p 483267;1391645612;mircea_popescu;if for no other reason then because it is probably feasible for the adversary to build a list of people and then cross names off 483268;1391645623;mircea_popescu;they won't KNOW it's you, they will however know it's none of the other schmucks. 483269;1391645637;mircea_popescu;they can take place over the naked body of mary. 483270;1391645701;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Why not turtle routing if it is only two known parties that can exchange credentials in person? 483271;1391645717;asciilifeform;it depends on what the project is. if it's a lamecoin, it could be 10,000 schmucks. if it's a working TWINKLE, your name is shamir and they already know where you live. 483272;1391645748;herbijudlestoids;i dunno what a twinkle is, but my name is sina, so close enough :P 483273;1391645769;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: explain? 483274;1391645772;asciilifeform;http://www.ussrback.com/crypto/rsa/TWINKLE/twinkle.html 483275;1391645780;herbijudlestoids;ah F2F 483276;1391645802;herbijudlestoids;if i wanted F2F i would use gnunet, but i want intermediary nodes to take the traffic load, i dont want to talk directly to the counterparts IP 483277;1391645823;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Turtle routing is kind of like i2p except the assumption exists you actually know and meat/meet everyone you connect to. 483278;1391645846;herbijudlestoids;yeah...no...i would likely use the gnunet for F2F comms 483279;1391645858;herbijudlestoids;asciilifeform: it is not a working TWINKLE :) 483280;1391645861;asciilifeform;herbijudlestoids: is cost a constraint? 483281;1391645876;asciilifeform;because if it isn't, you can stuff bytes in the btc block chain. 483282;1391645880;herbijudlestoids;haha 483283;1391645898;herbijudlestoids;why on earth would i persist OTR conversations into the blockchain 483284;1391645905;mircea_popescu;and if it is, you can stuff bytes in altcoin block chain. 483285;1391645923;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 4000 @ 0.005 = 20 BTC 483286;1391645924;asciilifeform;agree on public keys, and encrypt 483287;1391645931;asciilifeform;the agreement only needs to happen once 483288;1391645946;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform by the way : have you considered this is probably a major driver for the altcoins ? do some secret messaging, in ten years nobody will exist with a copy of the blockchain anyway 483289;1391645946;herbijudlestoids;i definitely do not want to persist anything in any blockchain! 483290;1391645981;asciilifeform;herbijudlestoids: assume that every packet you send over the public net gets 'persisted' regardless of whether you asked for it 483291;1391645982;herbijudlestoids;lel you guys crack me up 483292;1391645984;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1099 BTC [+] 483293;1391645985;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids your notion that stuff going through the internet is ephemeral boggles me :D 483294;1391645995;mircea_popescu;shit, beaten to it again 483295;1391646000;mircea_popescu;i gotta learn to touchtype already. 483296;1391646004;herbijudlestoids;asciilifeform: i make that assumption, but i why would i WILLINGLY persist something in the blockchain 483297;1391646016;mircea_popescu;because it's better to fuck willingly than to get fucked ? 483298;1391646034;asciilifeform;because this way 10,000 lamers are all equal candidates for the inquisition, for having said packets on disk 483299;1391646034;mircea_popescu;at least in some people's estimation. 483300;1391646065;herbijudlestoids;asciilifeform: in that case i would always use freenet, but i dont want persistence and prefer 10,000 lamers to have the packets in their NIC than on their disk. 483301;1391646066;BingoBoingo;I wonder if anti-Zyprexa exists... 483302;1391646098;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: you want a psychotic inducer? 483303;1391646129;mircea_popescu;acid prolly works... 483304;1391646132;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Not exactly 483305;1391646145;BingoBoingo;More like a complacency relaxer 483306;1391646161;herbijudlestoids;so you want to increase your motivation? 483307;1391646163;herbijudlestoids;try l-tyrosine 483308;1391646168;herbijudlestoids;catecholamine precursor. 483309;1391646213;asciilifeform;herbijudlestoids: i'm feeling generous, have an example: 483310;1391646214;asciilifeform;http://pastebin.com/YQ0b2Lmp 483311;1391646215;ozbot;[Python] caster - Pastebin.com 483312;1391646228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00093557 = 6.2683 BTC [+] {2} 483313;1391646269;mircea_popescu;http://www.psychforums.com/anti-psych/topic85874.html 483314;1391646271;ozbot;Zyprexa withdrawal Horror stories : Anti-Psych Forum - Psych forums 483315;1391646271;herbijudlestoids;asciilifeform: thanks for your generosity i guess, what is this? 483316;1391646273;mircea_popescu;pretty good shit. 483317;1391646279;mircea_popescu;you people and your synthetic helpers. 483318;1391646307;asciilifeform;and http://pastebin.com/Uw9syzhV 483319;1391646307;herbijudlestoids;i dont take any synthetics, l-tyrosine is a metabolic precursor you can easily obtain from food :) 483320;1391646326;BingoBoingo;I only brought Zyprexa up, because Vitamin H would have been too obvious... 483321;1391646416;asciilifeform;herbijudlestoids: recipe, for stowing four octets in the blockchain. 483322;1391646425;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: If you want catecholamine precursors though Lima/Fava beans work just fine 483323;1391646429;herbijudlestoids;asciilifeform: ah right. thx...i appreciate the gesture :) 483324;1391646472;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: um, no, the beans contain L-DOPA which is an acute dopamine precursor, l-tyrosine is much more effective and less acute, precursor to all catecholamines 483325;1391646476;ThickAsThieves;fava beans are the best beans 483326;1391646521;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Your chemistry isn't wrong, but it is missing 4 steps and 9 pathways. 483327;1391646533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29031 @ 0.00093295 = 27.0845 BTC [-] {2} 483328;1391646569;BingoBoingo;Also there is no such thing is an acute precursor unless you want to talk prodrugs like codeine 483329;1391646594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10072 @ 0.00092835 = 9.3503 BTC [-] 483330;1391646597;ThickAsThieves;;;ticker 483331;1391646597;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 875.0, Best ask: 885.0, Bid-ask spread: 10.00000, Last trade: 885.0, 24 hour volume: 8996.57601486, 24 hour low: 870.0, 24 hour high: 939.93, 24 hour vwap: 905.17233 483332;1391646604;BingoBoingo;;;lasers 483333;1391646605;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 483334;1391646618;ThickAsThieves;lol 483335;1391646624;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: i mean acute as in relative to l-tyrosine 483336;1391646635;herbijudlestoids;same way that 5-htp versus l-tryptophan 483337;1391646668;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I think you read pharmacology equivalents to the National Enquirer a bit too much. 483338;1391646676;asciilifeform;herbijudlestoids: four octets ought to be a roomy enough 'dead drop' for anyone 483339;1391646692;herbijudlestoids;asciilifeform: dead drop is not my requirement 483340;1391646708;asciilifeform;dead drop can tell the friendly forces where to find whatever. 483341;1391646725;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: im not a neuroscientist, but i did used to work at the largest neuroscience research facility in australia. consider my knowledge on the topic a poor carbon copy 483342;1391646727;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: 5-HTP is mostly a precusor of things that aren't catecholamines anyway 483343;1391646750;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I haven't taken a bio class since 7th grade. 483344;1391646758;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: you misunderstand, i was referring to 5-htp being a direct serotonin precursor (equiv of L-DOPA for dopamine) and l-tryptophan being broader/less acute 483345;1391646815;asciilifeform;serotonin more or less stops at the blood-brain barrier, so 5-htp just annoys your liver. 483346;1391646822;herbijudlestoids;5-htp is the l-dopa of serotonin...is what i meant 483347;1391646831;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: But in vitro most 5-HTP becomes various histamines as opposed to becoming serotinin. 483348;1391646858;herbijudlestoids;who cares about in vitro 483349;1391646863;herbijudlestoids;i am talking about when you eat it 483350;1391646865;herbijudlestoids;in vivo 483351;1391646877;BingoBoingo;5-HTP generallyis dangerous because it is a histamine precursor rather than a serotonin precursor. 483352;1391646901;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Well, I'm not in the habit of cutting vexual open. 483353;1391646914;herbijudlestoids;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2357555 483354;1391646921;ozbot;Striatal dopamine terminals release serotonin afte... [Brain Res. 1990] - PubMed - NCBI 483355;1391646926;herbijudlestoids;"Peripheral administration of 5-hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP) to rats causes 'wet dog' shakes and a parallel elevation of brain serotonin (5-HT) levels. " 483356;1391646991;BingoBoingo;And nicotinic receptor inhibitors like succicholine cause paralasis. 483357;1391647021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.0009358 = 4.913 BTC [+] 483358;1391647031;BingoBoingo;Most serotogenic receptors from the five documented families happen in the bowels. 483359;1391647035;herbijudlestoids;we have come a long way from your question of wanting to remove complacency 483360;1391647050;herbijudlestoids;i suggested something to increase endogenous adrenaline and dopamine together. 483361;1391647053;herbijudlestoids;my 2c :) 483362;1391647055;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: And now we are talking about shit. 483363;1391647079;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/02d74622f0955143cb0d95a07d983fec/tumblr_mfoxk60OCb1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg 483364;1391647083;mircea_popescu;meanwhile irl... 483365;1391647103;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: The thing is meth can do that cheaper. Combine meth and an MAOI and you can do it fast and incredibly cheap with incredible safety. 483366;1391647119;BingoBoingo;Tits 483367;1391647149;ThickAsThieves;850 483368;1391647157;cazalla;that zyprexa link.. why would a 6 year old be on that 483369;1391647177;cazalla;and what type of parent would give consent 483370;1391647189;herbijudlestoids;lel if you think meth + MAOI removes complacency 483371;1391647196;asciilifeform;in what universe is 'meth' cheap? 483372;1391647201;herbijudlestoids;cazalla: US Big Pharma influenced doctors :) 483373;1391647204;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+] 483374;1391647213;mircea_popescu;cazalla no need for parental consent in the us. 483375;1391647231;herbijudlestoids;cazalla: they go to a conference, there is big pharma salespeople there, there is other doctors who were paid by big pharma to do studies, et 483376;1391647254;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: You know we only whack you because we like you. 483377;1391647259;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Missouri 483378;1391647278;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what, it is cheap. cheapest thing on the street. 483379;1391647280;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: why is that lady naked? 483380;1391647293;herbijudlestoids;she seems out of place 483381;1391647302;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: <3 483382;1391647304;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i think you misunderstand. e.g. an AK-47 is 'cheap', if you're a Pashtun. but say you're a Brit. 483383;1391647339;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: this is the first irc chan that i have hung out in since probly 2010...should give you a clue :) 483384;1391647341;mircea_popescu;no, it's cheap. go to wherever the homeless gather where you live and ask. 483385;1391647344;asciilifeform;then you pay 10x, and roll in the cost of lawyers, bribes, etc. if you're found out. 483386;1391647367;cazalla;herbijudlestoids: i know how it works but it's just shocking a 6 year old would be taking it, my dad takes a small dose to manage his schizophrenia and it did wonders for him but still, a 6 year old? 483387;1391647376;mircea_popescu;it's like the altchain of drugs, every fuckwit can cook it. 483388;1391647384;herbijudlestoids;cazalla: profit margins yo, they must be kept up 483389;1391647387;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 512 @ 0.00082279 = 0.4213 BTC [-] {4} 483390;1391647389;asciilifeform;the basic formula for black market cost is 'Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi' 483391;1391647397;benkay;translation? 483392;1391647399;mircea_popescu;cazalla that drug cost a 100 mn to create and 5 bn to market. 483393;1391647407;asciilifeform;esp. now that 'silk road' is done 483394;1391647413;mircea_popescu;you think that can be paid off on the backs of the five hundred old people with an actual need for it ? 483395;1391647414;herbijudlestoids;cazalla: if your marketing strategy is so successful that it encompasses the entire 21-65yo spectrum...what do you do? expand the market ;) 483396;1391647433;BingoBoingo;I knew plenty of kids in elementary school on the Desoxyn 483397;1391647437;mircea_popescu;benkay what's legit for jesus isn't legit for random fuckwit 483398;1391647479;cazalla;not familiar with that one BingoBoingo, zyprexa gave my dad a sane life though 483399;1391647484;mircea_popescu;http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/hawaii-family-sues-dentist-root-canal-left-3-year-old-girl-brain-dead-article-1.1565600 483400;1391647486;mircea_popescu;here's a good one. 483401;1391647488;ozbot;Hawaii family sues dentist for root canal that left 3-year-old girl BRAIN DEAD - NY Daily News 483402;1391647499;mircea_popescu;think about it... root canals in milk teeth. 483403;1391647499;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: In Detroit,St Louis, and Chicago the most common caliber used in homicides was .22LR 483404;1391647505;herbijudlestoids;cazalla: lol desoxyn is meth :) 483405;1391647509;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1488 @ 0.00076609 = 1.1399 BTC [-] {15} 483406;1391647511;cazalla;3 year olds need root canal? 483407;1391647524;cazalla;must've given her pepsi instead of breastmilk 483408;1391647524;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if govt. stats are to be believed, this is true in all 50 states. 483409;1391647524;mircea_popescu;cazalla in the us, yes. 483410;1391647569;asciilifeform;low pressure round. hence pistols with barrels made of cheap hell-knows-what alloy. 483411;1391647572;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well problem probably isn't government stats in this case. In this case it is people who want to bake a murder want to use an expendable and cheap weapon. 483412;1391647626;mircea_popescu;so i guess the real gangstas are the people with daisies and red ryders in their mtv videos 483413;1391647640;mircea_popescu;as opposed to all the fakers with platform machine guns and anti tank missile launchers 483414;1391647655;asciilifeform;.22, 'olympic' caliber, favourite of executioners around the world 483415;1391647679;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7mhLp0abU 483416;1391647680;ozbot;homicide da union - YouTube 483417;1391647693;asciilifeform;traditionally used at 'point blank' range. no exit wound, bounces around in the head. 483418;1391647717;herbijudlestoids;ew 483419;1391647743;asciilifeform;every once in a while, somebody fellates a .22 and lives 483420;1391647749;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: For small game fillinf hollow points with phosphorous has its virtues 483421;1391647815;herbijudlestoids;let me tell you guys about our prime minister 483422;1391647820;herbijudlestoids;his name is tony abbott 483423;1391647824;herbijudlestoids;imagine george bush 483424;1391647824;BingoBoingo;da union has the best videos on Youtube 483425;1391647829;herbijudlestoids;and then take away all of the intelligence 483426;1391647832;herbijudlestoids;thats tony abbott 483427;1391647847;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: light the meat? why? 483428;1391647882;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Marks where the lead settles, by yes scorching the wound tunnel. 483429;1391647903;BingoBoingo;Usefull on fatty shit like woodchucks 483430;1391647950;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJgu7nGzBRM 483431;1391647951;ozbot;FLAGS DA UNION - YouTube 483432;1391647969;herbijudlestoids;ill tell you guys what 483433;1391647981;herbijudlestoids;i will give up my 0.02BTC to anyone who wants to come to aus and challenge tony abbott to a fight 483434;1391648006;asciilifeform;saddam h. reportedly challenged mr. bush to a duel. 483435;1391648066;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Plenty of sandbars here. Talk him into a meeting on the mississippi. Plenty of sand bars with questionable jurisdiction. 483436;1391648093;BingoBoingo;US Senators used to end their careers on those all of the time. 483437;1391648111;herbijudlestoids;i fucken hate this guy 483438;1391648127;herbijudlestoids;i used to think i hated our previous, conservative, 4 term PM, john howard 483439;1391648133;herbijudlestoids;but i love john howard compared to tony abbott... 483440;1391648146;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCJLTSP8g_4 483441;1391648151;wao-ender;so 483442;1391648171;ozbot;REAL STL HOOD FIGHTZ- "Cam vs. J.R. Pt. 2" (Unedited) - YouTube 483443;1391648180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00092862 = 6.7789 BTC [-] 483444;1391648241;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] 483445;1391648363;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 5.28978394 BTC to 19`322 shares, 27377 satoshi per share 483446;1391648370;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: are they actually gonna fight lol 483447;1391648413;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I dunno 483448;1391648417;herbijudlestoids;the answer is no 483449;1391648424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00093457 = 21.2147 BTC [+] 483450;1391648424;herbijudlestoids;waste of 4 minutes 483451;1391648459;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: How do you know pt 3 isn't set in the back of an ambulance? 483452;1391648480;herbijudlestoids;there is no part 3 483453;1391648522;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids what specifically is the complaint ? 483454;1391648555;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: against abbott? 483455;1391648560;mircea_popescu;yea 483456;1391648643;herbijudlestoids;let me show you a video 483457;1391648652;mircea_popescu;nah. 483458;1391648667;mircea_popescu;ain't nobody got no time for that. 483459;1391648687;herbijudlestoids;its lelworthy, 2m43s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wT9XS_TvzQ 483460;1391648790;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 0.83710380 BTC to 321`963 shares, 260 satoshi per share 483461;1391648843;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: i dunno how i can exactly explain it...but i guess its very similar to bush snr vs jnr. policywise, identical...but you feel embarrassed when you see them overseas representing you 483462;1391648848;mircea_popescu;lmao the keiser muppet made his own coin 483463;1391648850;BingoBoingo;Ain't nobody got time for dat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIKI7ArSvlY 483464;1391648863;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Lnk plox? 483465;1391648903;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/maxkeiser 483466;1391648904;ozbot;Max Keiser (maxkeiser) on Twitter 483467;1391648906;mircea_popescu;good for a lol. 483468;1391648913;mircea_popescu;(no actual link to the thing anywhere there) 483469;1391648929;mircea_popescu;"As a stage of the launch will release password protected .rar files for important downloads, followed by passwords a time later." 483470;1391648973;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 36 @ 0.50230358 = 18.0829 BTC [-] {19} 483471;1391648977;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/LionelMedia/status/431114885024722944 483472;1391648978;ozbot;Twitter / LionelMedia: Maxcoin is the new Dogecoin. ... 483473;1391648993;mircea_popescu;the funny thing, of course, is that he's following mp mandated policy TO SPITE ME 483474;1391648995;mircea_popescu;people. 483475;1391649027;mircea_popescu;my life would have been infinitely boring-er without bitcoin, for srs. 483476;1391649035;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49300333 = 1.479 BTC [-] {3} 483477;1391649036;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.11 = 0.55 BTC [+] 483478;1391649043;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/431233382152810497 483479;1391649044;ozbot;Twitter / BBoingo: @maxkeiser @KeiserReport ... 483480;1391649071;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: To think all you would have before would have been the slave girls and the fortune 483481;1391649096;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=438150.0 483482;1391649098;ozbot;[PRE-ANN][MAX] MaxCoin 483483;1391649099;mircea_popescu;there you go. 483484;1391649131;mircea_popescu;BTC Block time? 30 seconds << that's the innovation. 483485;1391649142;BingoBoingo;Wait SHA-3? WHo has some FPGAs? 483486;1391649165;BingoBoingo;THere's some good VHDL cores for that. 483487;1391649179;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'ebay.' a dime a dozen. 483488;1391649194;mircea_popescu;course the code got leaked 483489;1391649203;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I mean who still has FPGAs to sink them nao... 483490;1391649216;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo has enlightened me, i had no idea how many videos of black people nearly fighting each other but not, were on youtube 483491;1391649233;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plenty of people own fpgas. me, for instance. 483492;1391649249;pankkake;videos of "nigger friday"? 483493;1391649262;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=320659.msg4952359#msg4952359 483494;1391649263;ozbot;[MCXNOW IPO] : 11,000 BTC raised [ UPDATE : OVER ] 483495;1391649269;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sure we just need the set of people with FPGAs and who would like to luke-jr Max Keister 483496;1391649275;mircea_popescu;check it out, realsolid (of solidcoin scam fame) is like... raising ipos and whatnot 483497;1391649296;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: He went scam on that IPO like months ago. 483498;1391649297;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo im pretty sure that's being taken care of. 483499;1391649303;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no ?! 483500;1391649307;mircea_popescu;but how could that be. 483501;1391649320;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Solidcoin 4? 483502;1391649340;mircea_popescu;lol 483503;1391649347;nubbins`;you want a psychosis inducer, lsd is a poor choice 483504;1391649364;nubbins`;try atropine or scopolamine type stuff 483505;1391649366;mircea_popescu;"just get married" ? 483506;1391649371;nubbins`;ha 483507;1391649376;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Actually if you want speed dramamine is the fastest route. 483508;1391649379;herbijudlestoids;nubbins`: thats delerium, not psychosis. 483509;1391649383;BingoBoingo;At the right doses 483510;1391649400;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.11249999 = 0.225 BTC [+] 483511;1391649410;nubbins`;herbijudlestoids, one's as good as the other 483512;1391649444;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Neither of those are very good. Delerium versus psychosis is Riddler versus Joker. 483513;1391649453;Vexual;eat lead paint 483514;1391649460;mircea_popescu;you know it's spelled delirium 483515;1391649462;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1169 = 0.3507 BTC [+] 483516;1391649463;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C110T] 225 @ 0.01806074 = 4.0637 BTC [-] 483517;1391649469;nubbins`;i was gonna let the spelling slide 483518;1391649479;nubbins`;bingo, i'm not up on my batman villains 483519;1391649481;BingoBoingo;Vexual: Thank you markov chain!!! Shekel me nao. 483520;1391649484;mircea_popescu;me too but it was taking up a life of its own 483521;1391649487;herbijudlestoids;so it is 483522;1391649511;nubbins`;deleterious delirium 483523;1391649522;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.00514563 = 0.319 BTC [-] {7} 483524;1391649523;mircea_popescu;hilatarious 483525;1391649526;nubbins`;either way 483526;1391649538;nubbins`;you give some schmo lsd and he's just as likely to achieve complete awareness 483527;1391649551;mircea_popescu;complete my foot. 483528;1391649554;mircea_popescu;that's psychosis. 483529;1391649559;nubbins`;haha 483530;1391649572;BingoBoingo;But atropine 'could' be delerium 483531;1391649589;mircea_popescu;"you can't logically prove my complete awareness is incomplete and kinda unaware!1111" 483532;1391649611;mircea_popescu;guy walks into a pole 483533;1391649612;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You sound like a MAXCOiner 483534;1391649634;BingoBoingo;lol, I've walked into a pole. poles have decent tits 483535;1391649638;nubbins`;HEH 483536;1391649641;mircea_popescu;hahaha 483537;1391649645;nubbins`;see? 483538;1391649647;nubbins`;complete awareness 483539;1391649652;nubbins`;dude knew what he was doing all along 483540;1391649679;nubbins`;anyway, there are plenty of virgins that have convinced themselves that sex is just a sticky wet mess 483541;1391649684;nubbins`;what of it? 483542;1391649688;mircea_popescu;there are ?! 483543;1391649693;mircea_popescu;dude the more i hear of canada... 483544;1391649701;nubbins`;the more you wanna move here 483545;1391649702;nubbins`;i know 483546;1391649708;herbijudlestoids;haha holy shit 483547;1391649712;herbijudlestoids;slashdot has changed interfaces 483548;1391649715;mircea_popescu;um no. i don't like virginz. 483549;1391649725;herbijudlestoids;the comments sections have ceased to be about the story and only talking about the interface 483550;1391649730;nubbins`;i don't like people who haven't taken lsd ;p 483551;1391649736;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: The trick is figuring out how many minutes ago I opened the bottle. 483552;1391649740;nubbins`;i kid 483553;1391649764;BingoBoingo;So around 7 UTC we get Altcoin on Slashdot? 483554;1391649765;nubbins`;BingoBoingo: me figuring it out or you figuring it out? 483555;1391649766;Vexual;if one goes to heaven with 40 virgins, do they stay that way? 483556;1391649775;nubbins`;Vexual, the hymens regrow 483557;1391649783;mircea_popescu;Vexual yeah. it's gonna be painful for them 4evar 483558;1391649784;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: I know the answer is 143 483559;1391649790;mircea_popescu;that way muslim men don't ever need to fuck ass. 483560;1391649821;nubbins`;anyway, for those of you who are aware of the "stoned ape" theory of evolution of consciousness 483561;1391649823;nubbins`;check this gem out: 483562;1391649824;nubbins`;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW4K0LqTC5w 483563;1391649825;ozbot;Stoned Ape Theory - YouTube 483564;1391649846;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: But the scents differ. Ass flora and Vaginal flora are completley different flora. Basically E Coli versus Yoplait. 483565;1391649865;mircea_popescu;i use condoms anyway 483566;1391649866;herbijudlestoids;"It is quoted by Ibn Kathir, in his Qur'anic Commentary, the Tafsir ibn Kathir,[8] and they are graphically described by Qur'anic commentator and polymath, al-Suyuti (died 1505), who, echoing a hasan hadith[9] from Ibn Majah,[10] wrote that the perpetual virgins will all "have appetizing vaginas", and that the "penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal".[11] " 483567;1391649881;herbijudlestoids;...appetizing. 483568;1391649888;mircea_popescu;it's a mistranslation. 483569;1391649916;herbijudlestoids;yea i know lol, iranian, remember? 483570;1391649919;mircea_popescu;"desirable" 483571;1391649946;nubbins`;condoms, what's that, a euro thing? 483572;1391649961;mircea_popescu;lol "it's not a purse, it's european" 483573;1391649977;nubbins`;eternal erections would become gangrenous 483574;1391649987;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: You might be canadian, so it doesn't seem relevant, but they are essential anywhere aids is possible;. 483575;1391650003;nubbins`;again, i kid ;( 483576;1391650011;nubbins`;we have aids here in canada too 483577;1391650022;nubbins`;hah 483578;1391650026;nubbins`;in this province, yes 483579;1391650027;asciilifeform;nubbins`: only kaffirs get afterlife with gangrene. 483580;1391650046;BingoBoingo;Or is it Candidia lacks a certain .txt 483581;1391650055;nubbins`;ooh good crossover joke 483582;1391650072;nubbins`;actually, a local actor is starring in the film remake of that .txt, alongside cuba gooding jr 483583;1391650093;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo not necessarily. it could be magically arranged the blood still flows 483584;1391650099;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/2-oscar-winners-join-tv-adaptation-of-the-book-of-negroes-1.2523057 483585;1391650100;ozbot;2 Oscar winners join TV adaptation of The Book of Negroes - Toronto - CBC News 483586;1391650104;mircea_popescu;maybe the chosen penis just enters a hydraulic annomaly 483587;1391650118;nubbins`;hm 483588;1391650122;nubbins`;some sort of bloodlock system 483589;1391650131;mircea_popescu;no, no lock. 483590;1391650132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5525 @ 0.00093457 = 5.1635 BTC [+] {2} 483591;1391650132;BingoBoingo;Good point mircea_popescu. Still. No one is making decent cheddar in there. 483592;1391650140;mircea_popescu;just, pv=nt here and p'v=nt there 483593;1391650143;nubbins`;well i just mean like an airlock 483594;1391650145;mircea_popescu;allah sez. 483595;1391650157;nubbins`;new blood in, mild overinflation, old blood out 483596;1391650173;herbijudlestoids;www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/02/koch-brothers-palm-springs-donor-list 483597;1391650185;nubbins`;you could time the inflow to the outward thrust, to simulate knotting 483598;1391650217;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/anorexia-patient-told-by-er-nurse-to-go-get-some-supper-1.2523913 483599;1391650218;ozbot;Anorexia patient told by ER nurse to 'go get some supper' - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News 483600;1391650220;Mats_cd03;i am now the proud owner of some S.MPOE 483601;1391650226;nubbins`;ah, this place is something else 483602;1391650228;Mats_cd03;what do i have to look forward to 483603;1391650238;nubbins`;Mats_cd03, uncertainty and elation 483604;1391650288;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 prolly some dividends at some point 483605;1391650300;Mats_cd03;hopefully ill be able to reinvest my profits into a nice deep fryer 483606;1391650312;nubbins`;haha 483607;1391650318;nubbins`;deep fryers, jeez 483608;1391650328;nubbins`;why not just throw out all your pants and start wearing pyjamas? 483609;1391650329;Mats_cd03;i hear they make one that uses a centrifuge inside at 3x G to induce a delicious crisp outside chicken 483610;1391650345;Mats_cd03;i hear its... extraterrestrially delicious 483611;1391650359;Vexual;swirling a wok can do that 483612;1391650359;nubbins`;all for the low cost of having your house smell like a grease trap 483613;1391650361;nubbins`;^ 483614;1391650377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4542 @ 0.00093387 = 4.2416 BTC [-] 483615;1391650377;BingoBoingo;Anyone here part of the Silicon Valley circuit? 483616;1391650419;Mats_cd03;what is that 483617;1391650433;BingoBoingo;Mats_cd03: Until they prove otherwise lusers 483618;1391650468;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: im not directly but do know a fair few who are 483619;1391650471;herbijudlestoids;re openstack 483620;1391650473;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, pankkake, jborkl: http://imgur.com/jzPwaJM 483621;1391650481;nubbins`;i don't think amazon is gonna carry this book 483622;1391650493;pankkake;omg 483623;1391650503;pankkake;who am I? 483624;1391650506;BingoBoingo;Mats_cd03: But I did disclose some alma maters here earlier today. If people who want into Bitcoin want to know how to navigate a WoT I make myself available... for a price. 483625;1391650508;mircea_popescu;hahaha 483626;1391650514;nubbins`;i don't know what you look like so i had to draw something based on your nick 483627;1391650522;nubbins`;you're all flat, like a pankkake :( 483628;1391650522;mircea_popescu;dick ? 483629;1391650539;Mats_cd03;BingoBoingo: i dont want to read logs so why dont you tell me 483630;1391650548;mircea_popescu;why does kako have a moustachio like groucho marx ? 483631;1391650548;BingoBoingo;Lol nubbins` That goes in the -assets book right? 483632;1391650554;nubbins`;yeah, first page 483633;1391650561;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Because somolia 483634;1391650562;nubbins`;just a rough draft of course ;p 483635;1391650569;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, that's actually jborkl 483636;1391650581;mircea_popescu;bongebaungu i see you have an issue with vowel rotation 483637;1391650595;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Know Paul Graham? 483638;1391650604;nubbins`;i tried to draw someone who looked bork-y 483639;1391650613;mircea_popescu;what in "jason borkland" gives you the turkish look ? 483640;1391650632;nubbins`;honestly i use paint markers and accidentally depressed the tip 483641;1391650646;pankkake;anyway, awesome 483642;1391650647;nubbins`;then had to fix it as best i could ;( 483643;1391650658;mircea_popescu;i kinda like how my head rests securely on my beard pedestal 483644;1391650672;nubbins`;for easy storage, natch 483645;1391650682;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you realise this is the book of the book being written right now 483646;1391650694;nubbins`;hmm, that's a bit too seinfeld for me 483647;1391650699;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1587815/plain/) 483648;1391650699;BingoBoingo;!b 5 483649;1391650701;nubbins`;strike this from the logs! 483650;1391650704;pankkake;though today I was more like jborkl, wore a snow hat and hat weird stuff coming in and out of my nose 483651;1391650725;mircea_popescu;pankkake did you get your face surgically removed yet ? 483652;1391650731;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: nope 483653;1391650733;nubbins`;i draw a couple more but the pens started acting up 483654;1391650738;nubbins`;*drew 483655;1391650742;nubbins`;full of ink blobs 483656;1391650750;pankkake;I had turbinoplasty 483657;1391650755;pankkake;my nose is TURBINES 483658;1391650762;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Ah, I could hope. I've been trying to target him through blog posts 483659;1391650768;mircea_popescu;lmao 483660;1391650774;mircea_popescu;now you can ipo your head 483661;1391650781;mircea_popescu;for a mining farm based on wind turbines 483662;1391650794;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: is he a fin services guy? i can see someone paul graham fin services on linkedin 483663;1391650798;nubbins`;stateful wind 483664;1391650813;Vexual;upper level 483665;1391650816;nubbins`;^ we already have this, altho it's pretty much read-only 483666;1391650817;mircea_popescu;nubbins` that comes out the other way. 483667;1391650821;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: He used to be an academic LISPer 483668;1391650833;nubbins`;heh 483669;1391650834;pankkake;I'm not finished yet, but it's becoming an expensive head :( 483670;1391650847;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: The past tense might be important though 483671;1391650864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00093535 = 10.055 BTC [+] 483672;1391650876;pankkake;the bearded MP reminds me of something, but I can't really find it 483673;1391650878;nubbins`;BingoBoingo, i imagine you as some sort of cross between a kangaroo and an old lady with a visor 483674;1391650880;benkay;BingoBoingo: he used to be a commercial Lisper as well. 483675;1391650883;pankkake;maybe cthulhu 483676;1391650888;nubbins`;pankkake: does it remind you of mp? ;p 483677;1391650902;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: What I am looking for is someone silicon valley who needs a Bitcoin Bullshit filter. 483678;1391650935;benkay;BingoBoingo: unfortunately those who need what you have to offer are too stupid to realize they need it. 483679;1391650950;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1587826/plain/) 483680;1391650950;mircea_popescu;!b 1 483681;1391650974;BingoBoingo;benkay: I know that, but it is only to the potential audience's peril 483682;1391650985;nubbins`;benkay: this is actually a problem with free condoms too 483683;1391650987;pankkake;I shaved yesterday, should have IPOed my glorious beard 483684;1391651009;BingoBoingo;pankkake: Shame to you and your family 483685;1391651018;mircea_popescu;im thinking of shaving too 483686;1391651030;nubbins`;it's liberating 483687;1391651032;pankkake;usually it itches, but after a month and a half it was still good 483688;1391651049;BingoBoingo;pankkake: How slow does french hair grow? 483689;1391651051;benkay;you guys can't shave my sideburns are just starting to come into bloom! i was shooting for an assets beard conference. 483690;1391651057;nubbins`;i find if you can get past the 3-week mark, the beard grows itself 483691;1391651061;mircea_popescu;benkay you coming in april ? 483692;1391651074;benkay;nah man 483693;1391651075;benkay;not unless revenue picks up significantly 483694;1391651078;benkay;wish i were 483695;1391651082;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/ << reminder 483696;1391651083;ozbot;The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 483697;1391651089;pankkake;BingoBoingo: I am a hairy monster, but for example my brother can't grow a beard as fast as me, if at all 483698;1391651090;nubbins`;i'm waiting for someone to sponsor me as a courtroom sketch-artist type deal 483699;1391651115;nubbins`;incidentally the last two zines we published were essentially this 483700;1391651116;benkay;was totally planning to, but then i dropped the well-paid infotech work to do the same thing with good friends for clients paying a third 483701;1391651118;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: thinking of going? 483702;1391651129;nubbins`;benkay, i used to work for a company called infotech 483703;1391651129;mircea_popescu;benkay splendid stragety. 483704;1391651143;nubbins`;"why don't we just call our company IT?" "nah, too short" 483705;1391651151;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sheriff couple of counties over still has my passport until at least May 483706;1391651156;mircea_popescu;let's call our shop SHOP 483707;1391651161;mircea_popescu;and our dog DOG 483708;1391651164;mircea_popescu;and our child CHILD 483709;1391651171;nubbins`;right? 483710;1391651173;Vexual;lol BingoBongo, I'm having similar issues 483711;1391651181;pankkake;that's what korean starcraft players do, though 483712;1391651182;nubbins`;i owned a nameless cockatiel for over 10 years 483713;1391651187;herbijudlestoids;yall criminals. 483714;1391651199;pankkake;names like "life", "cloud", "hero" 483715;1391651203;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what srsys, you can't apply for a whatsitcalled 483716;1391651209;Vexual;boat? 483717;1391651214;mircea_popescu;lol 483718;1391651217;nubbins`;pankkake, i generally found that koreans had crazy email addresses 483719;1391651226;nubbins`;like fvjefgrnfd@whatever.co.kr 483720;1391651227;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I got principles and I ain't plea'in 483721;1391651229;pankkake;lol 483722;1391651235;mircea_popescu;bysendingemailhereideclareiamawhore@yahoo.com ? 483723;1391651241;nubbins`;one day i realized that they were just typing their names in korean on the keyboard 483724;1391651246;nubbins`;hahahah 483725;1391651255;mircea_popescu;good for spam honeypottin' 483726;1391651281;mircea_popescu;ipromisetopaytenbuckstotherecipient@gmail.com 483727;1391651304;BingoBoingo;I paid may to many BTC for this drive through motherfucking lawyer's time back in may and I plan to waste as much of his time as I can. 483728;1391651304;mircea_popescu;(nothice equal strlen) 483729;1391651315;nubbins`;hmm 483730;1391651318;asciilifeform;ionlyacceptmailasblockchaindustbytes@nowhereinparticular.com 483731;1391651318;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ahahaha how much was it 483732;1391651343;mircea_popescu;myotheremailisbroken@tormail.net 483733;1391651347;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: $300 or back in May 2.5 BTC that week 483734;1391651361;nubbins`;thisistheonlyonetheydidntseize@tormail.org 483735;1391651364;mircea_popescu;fuck, you hired a lawyer for 300 bux ?! 483736;1391651374;nubbins`;what'd that get you, a handshake? 483737;1391651376;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yeah, dude has a drive thru 483738;1391651385;nubbins`;oh wow 483739;1391651390;nubbins`;i thought that was a figure of speech 483740;1391651394;BingoBoingo;Fucker is happy to act as my paralegal too. 483741;1391651402;nubbins`;hi can i take your problem please 483742;1391651406;benkay;mircea_popescu: can't tell if sarcasm or irony 483743;1391651406;mircea_popescu;you know, rural us... 483744;1391651418;BingoBoingo;Well, yeah 483745;1391651422;benkay;and if ironic what precisely the message is 483746;1391651423;nubbins`;benkay, surprise 483747;1391651423;mircea_popescu;benkay :D 483748;1391651435;BingoBoingo;If sit ain't cheap enough head into the wastes 483749;1391651455;asciilifeform;somebody 'in demand' should actually declare, 'wanna talk? low octets of tx amount to addr. A plz.' 483750;1391651458;mircea_popescu;that's okay, i can't tell which message he;s on about. we have thus achieved 483751;1391651464;mircea_popescu;perfect communicational symmetrification. 483752;1391651483;benkay; benkay splendid stragety. 483753;1391651489;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sort-of like how trilema credits work 483754;1391651490;nubbins`;hmmmmmm 483755;1391651497;nubbins`;re: "socialist millionaire" problem 483756;1391651510;Mats_cd03;hes 99% incoherent usually 483757;1391651512;pankkake;"Just like on the 1st edition VIPs get free shuttle service to and from the airport, free (4 star) hotel accomodation including breakfast (either singles or doubles at your option, no extra charge), free meals and drinks everywhere" oh. I see the point now :D 483758;1391651513;nubbins`;one nice thing about having a degree in pure mathematics is that you can grok wikipedia articles on math 483759;1391651535;BingoBoingo;I'd honestly be surprised if this matter is adjudicated in time for next year's conference. 483760;1391651549;mircea_popescu;benkay just sarcastic 483761;1391651557;asciilifeform;nubbins`: one can grok the millionaires protocol with a first grade degree. 483762;1391651568;nubbins`;oh, sure, yeah 483763;1391651569;asciilifeform;(at least, soviet 1st grade.) 483764;1391651597;nubbins`;i just mean sentences like "All operations are performed modulo p, or in other words, in the multiplicative group (Z/pZ)*." 483765;1391651603;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i hear a lot of work is being put into keeping us citizens from being able to travel abroad 483766;1391651612;mircea_popescu;for all sorts of not-directly-related reasons 483767;1391651618;nubbins`;and they said group theory wouldn't prove useful in real life. 483768;1391651636;pankkake;a lot of work = butt probes and cancer-giving machines? 483769;1391651636;benkay;can't say as i agree, mp. before i was limited pretty solidly on increasing revenue. nowadays, i'm only limited on revenue by my ability to find work and people to do it. 483770;1391651653;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so far, just a bit of dekulakization. 483771;1391651653;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: If it comes down to life and death I can walk to Nuevo Laredo and get all of the hookers. Nao though... Imma wilk my 2.5 BTC out of Mr. Drive Thru. 483772;1391651659;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: best korea does that, too 483773;1391651662;mircea_popescu;benkay the sarcasm refers to what was stated not to teh reality therein described. 483774;1391651687;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i was in nuevo laredo, had excellent pasta there 483775;1391651690;nubbins`;jborkl 483776;1391651695;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/jzPwaJM 483777;1391651696;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 483778;1391651698;nubbins`;that's you on the bottom 483779;1391651743;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I can't affirm or deny having spent any time there this summer, but pasta there "seems" to be above that availble in my native area 483780;1391651752;nubbins`;fun fact, the dollar store sells fake Moleskine notebooks for $1 483781;1391651760;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there was some prattle about making folks owing $6+figs of tax 'невыездной' 483782;1391651767;asciilifeform;afaik never went anywhere. 483783;1391651771;Vexual;nubs not really paper? 483784;1391651785;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, it's implemented 483785;1391651790;nubbins`;Vexual, just a brand name. no moles were harmed 483786;1391651791;mircea_popescu;yu can't get a passport if you owe back tax. 483787;1391651807;Vexual;inferior stitching? 483788;1391651814;nubbins`;shrug. has held up so far 483789;1391651821;nubbins`;they even have the elastic band and the bookmark 483790;1391651828;Vexual;might be real 483791;1391651834;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall the magic number? 483792;1391651835;nubbins`;nah, real ones are like $18 483793;1391651837;mircea_popescu;fun fact. apud gt, nevyyezdnoy=travel abroad, vyyezdnoy=exit 483794;1391651843;Vexual;and the french is proper 483795;1391651853;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no magic number. irs just puts a hold. 483796;1391651860;mircea_popescu;$100 is good enough. 483797;1391651863;nubbins`;it's actually pretty hard to bind a book with thread so poorly that it falls apart 483798;1391651871;nubbins`;i mean, if you can tie a knot 483799;1391651882;nubbins`;even if you can't 483800;1391651884;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: вьезд / выезд sure 483801;1391651915;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: entry/exit 483802;1391651930;nubbins`;i actually let my passport expire 483803;1391651939;nubbins`;have to get a new picture taken this week 483804;1391651951;asciilifeform;nevyyezdnoy (невыездной) - 'he who is not to leave' 483805;1391651953;nubbins`;gotta say, it rots my guts when they don't stamp the pages in order 483806;1391651961;Vexual;lol 483807;1391651961;jborkl;Nice drawing, is that original? 483808;1391651964;mircea_popescu;why ?! 483809;1391651978;nubbins`;jborkl: yeah, part of the upcoming first issue of -assets Quarterly 483810;1391651987;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, just the way i am, i guess 483811;1391651991;jborkl;Nice 483812;1391652002;nubbins`;would you buy a notebook and start writing on page 7? 483813;1391652006;Vexual;yes 483814;1391652008;mircea_popescu;yes 483815;1391652014;nubbins`;eat shit, both of you 483816;1391652023;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.04201332 = 0.6302 BTC [+] {4} 483817;1391652024;mircea_popescu;"would you pick up a chick and start by fucking her in the ass ?" 483818;1391652028;Vexual;i hope you get your visa stamped on the cover 483819;1391652033;mircea_popescu;hahaha 483820;1391652034;nubbins`;NOT ON PAGE 7 I WOULDN'T 483821;1391652065;mircea_popescu;if i ever visit nubbins` household i'm writing into all the new noteboox at random locations 483822;1391652067;nubbins`;i bet you eat all the chocolate in your advent calendars on the first day too, don't ya 483823;1391652091;jborkl;Heh, I am left handed so I sometimes start at the back. Drives the wife nuts 483824;1391652095;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: there came a point where we had enough scrap paper that we were able to stop buying notebooks and start making them 483825;1391652116;mircea_popescu;nubbins` dude, i will DRINK FROM THE MIDDLE OF YOUR BOTTLES 483826;1391652117;nubbins`;jborkl: funny, i actually start reading magazines from the back 483827;1391652120;nubbins`;hahah 483828;1391652133;nubbins`;so... with a straw? :( 483829;1391652134;herbijudlestoids;http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/02/05/1421229/adobe-flash-remote-code-execution-flaw-exploited-in-the-wild?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter 483830;1391652135;ozbot;Adobe Flash Remote Code Execution Flaw Exploited In the Wild - Slashdot 483831;1391652144;mircea_popescu;you'll have some liquid, then a pause, then more liquid 483832;1391652153;herbijudlestoids;update yo flash nigz 483833;1391652155;nubbins`;i hate that!! 483834;1391652161;mircea_popescu;someone had flash ?! 483835;1391652167;nubbins`;what's a flash 483836;1391652193;jborkl;Wait, where are sticking that straw? Is this still about picking up the chick? 483837;1391652210;nubbins`;i think they start in the middle 483838;1391652218;mircea_popescu;they always start in the middle. 483839;1391652218;nubbins`;not sure 483840;1391652222;mircea_popescu;shit 483841;1391652227;mircea_popescu;"they start in middle school yeah" 483842;1391652249;nubbins`;what's a school 483843;1391652267;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 483844;1391652268;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.119 = 0.238 BTC [+] 483845;1391652270;herbijudlestoids;yall dont have flash? 483846;1391652275;herbijudlestoids;how do youwatch youtube 483847;1391652287;Vexual;mp posts a lot of public nudes 483848;1391652310;mircea_popescu;mircea_popescu: 483849;1391652310;mircea_popescu;ain't nobody got no time for that. 483850;1391652342;asciilifeform;http://www.securelist.com/en/blog/8177/CVE_2014_0497_a_0_day_vulnerability 483851;1391652354;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/789ee03d33aa445a6c3c647dcb3119a4/tumblr_mes5vkpQhj1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg << this is vex when he was younger. 483852;1391652396;mircea_popescu;windows only exploits. herp 483853;1391652458;asciilifeform;the overflow works elsewhere, these folks only looked at the winblows example. 483854;1391652467;herbijudlestoids;if it exploits only windows why did adobe release emergency patch for all OS, even including the unsupported linux version 483855;1391652499;nubbins`;heh 483856;1391652502;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: do you have some tumblr blog of photos of (what i assume are) eastern europeans who are weirdly out of place naked? 483857;1391652533;mircea_popescu;i just have friends. 483858;1391652559;mircea_popescu;and yes its mostly the czech republic 483859;1391652621;jborkl;Heh mp has pictures of slush naked 483860;1391652640;herbijudlestoids;i dun get it...your friends like to be naked at regular social events? 483861;1391652661;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meikkuNmB41ru15g3o1_1280.jpg jborkl there you go. 483862;1391652666;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: What is so hard to believe? 483863;1391652673;BingoBoingo;http://gawker.com/four-arrested-in-connection-with-philip-seymour-hoffman-1516487250 483864;1391652674;ozbot;Four Arrested in Connection With Philip Seymour Hoffman's Death 483865;1391652679;mircea_popescu;whoa 483866;1391652682;KRS-One;Looks like a fat dyke convention. 483867;1391652682;mircea_popescu;foul play ?! 483868;1391652690;mircea_popescu;KRS-One he wanted slush 483869;1391652690;KRS-One;Probably smells kind of like fish there. 483870;1391652697;KRS-One;.bait 483871;1391652699;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1illeX1ba1qkm9pho1_1280.jpg 483872;1391652701;pankkake;only one nipple pierced, that always drives me crazy 483873;1391652714;KRS-One;hahaa 483874;1391652716;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: its not that i disbelieve, just not sure i understand 483875;1391652718;jborkl;Lol, Santa is creeping me out 483876;1391652720;pankkake;how dare you not be symmetrical 483877;1391652734;nubbins`;pankkake: many women do this out of concern for future breastfeeding 483878;1391652736;KRS-One;pankkake theres a word for that..doesnt mean its bad one way or the other 483879;1391652759;pankkake;nubbins`: oh… 483880;1391652761;BingoBoingo;Tis the problem with the TSR model. DEA gets all of the meta-NSA tools and the imagination to do parallel reconstruction 483881;1391652767;KRS-One;haha drinking pabst blue ribbon beer 483882;1391652784;nubbins`;idea is that the fistula formed when the piercing heals can clog milk ducts 483883;1391652784;mircea_popescu;piercings don't hurt lactation wtf is that ?! 483884;1391652793;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Would you yourself rather wear clothes or not wear clothes? 483885;1391652793;nubbins`;this has been documented 483886;1391652802;mircea_popescu;really ? 483887;1391652804;nubbins`;yeah 483888;1391652822;nubbins`;granted, there are a lot of milk ducts, maybe a dozen or so if i'm not mistaken 483889;1391652834;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu nubbins`:ONly if tard operate the needles. 483890;1391652838;Vexual;there might be other forces at play here 483891;1391652839;nubbins`;but apparently it causes problems frequently enough that it's advised against doing both 483892;1391652841;jborkl;Wtf , this is going downhill 483893;1391652856;nubbins`;plus, babby's teeth 483894;1391652858;BingoBoingo;jborkl: Altcoin is going down? 483895;1391652859;nubbins`;or gums, i guess 483896;1391652868;nubbins`;don't want him swallowing a barbell 483897;1391652875;mircea_popescu;nubbins` obviously you take them off 483898;1391652897;Vexual;did they sompare other life choices of the pierced? 483899;1391652899;mircea_popescu;kind-of why i think it improbable, the breast changes a lot during pregnancy 483900;1391652907;nubbins`;obviously you don't feed your kid poutine for its first meal 483901;1391652910;nubbins`;but people do anyway 483902;1391652915;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: WHy not? 483903;1391652924;BingoBoingo;It's like babyy poridge? 483904;1391652927;nubbins`;because it's too healthy 483905;1391652931;mircea_popescu;lmao 483906;1391652934;BingoBoingo;Lol 483907;1391652969;mircea_popescu;pankkake you know, no irl tits are actually symmetrical. 483908;1391652992;pankkake;nor are faces, but it's not as bothering 483909;1391653001;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10758 @ 0.00093465 = 10.055 BTC [-] {2} 483910;1391653035;BingoBoingo;pankkake: Faces could be bothering on the Sarah Jessica Parker ass end of asymmetrical 483911;1391653038;nubbins`;most people's shoulders aren't even symmetrical 483912;1391653046;nubbins`;dominant side is generally higher 483913;1391653060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18018 @ 0.00092985 = 16.754 BTC [-] 483914;1391653066;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_megcvjf8JE1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg 483915;1391653068;nubbins`;and blade sticks out differently 483916;1391653084;nubbins`;hahaha skipper on the right 483917;1391653089;mircea_popescu;totally awesome pic 483918;1391653106;mircea_popescu;you can even tell where in france it is 483919;1391653114;pankkake;OMG. http://i.imgur.com/u9oR6xD.png 483920;1391653115;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: depends on the weather :D 483921;1391653121;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 329 @ 0.003048 = 1.0028 BTC [+] 483922;1391653130;nubbins`;pankkake, HEH 483923;1391653132;pankkake;google images is getting good 483924;1391653145;mircea_popescu;you never knew ms horseface ? 483925;1391653148;nubbins`;i like it when customized content *just* falls short 483926;1391653166;Vexual;i think they might wait for the next bus 483927;1391653167;pankkake;isn't ms horseface julia roberts? 483928;1391653177;pankkake;but yeah she's a horse too 483929;1391653193;nubbins`;got an ad on my facebook feed once for long-distance plans, some rasta saying "call ya bredren dem for free" 483930;1391653199;nubbins`;"warmer, facebook... warmer..." 483931;1391653213;benkay;they even got the grammar correct my my 483932;1391653244;nubbins`;maybe the most relevant thing i've ever read on the site 483933;1391653479;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: You use facebook? 483934;1391653492;benkay;BingoBoingo: have you heard of Tinder? 483935;1391653510;benkay;the kids need computers to just have sex these days 483936;1391653510;nubbins`;yeah, it's like that bar all your friends used to hang out at, but now your extended family is there too 483937;1391653514;BingoBoingo;benkay: yes I have. 483938;1391653548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13172 @ 0.00093446 = 12.3087 BTC [+] 483939;1391653591;mircea_popescu;what's tinder ? 483940;1391653592;benkay;so i actually moved back into the neighborhood in which i grew up. 483941;1391653606;nubbins`;benkay, :( 483942;1391653608;BingoBoingo;benkay: It's like I go to the bar with all of these friends with smartphones. They fuck around on tinder and I just follow the golden rule of Tits bigger than ass. THen they get jelly. 483943;1391653624;benkay;no its great nubbins 483944;1391653628;nubbins`;then :D 483945;1391653631;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Tinder is like Grindr but not for homos. 483946;1391653637;mircea_popescu;uh 483947;1391653640;nubbins`;the neighbourhood i grew up is all old people now 483948;1391653655;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ass bigger than tits. 483949;1391653683;benkay;i like being a part of a family story in a physical location that's endured for a little bit. 483950;1391653691;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Whiskey vision. 483951;1391653718;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Drunk enough to know I can't be on IRC vision. 483952;1391653765;BingoBoingo;Perspective gets a bit... distorted 483953;1391653787;nubbins`;Chief Executive Officer of Tinder, Sean Rad, said, "the word ‘dating’ doesn't even mean shit to us. What does that even mean?”[ 483954;1391653788;nubbins`;lel 483955;1391653793;nubbins`;mister rad 483956;1391653795;mircea_popescu;me on irc a coupla days ago : "hey, what were your tits/ass measures ?" "40 and 38. why ?" "because mansfield was 40 35" 483957;1391653798;BingoBoingo;So a person barely aware of self awareness must... compensate 483958;1391653801;mircea_popescu;so i guess you're right, tits bigger than ass it is. 483959;1391653806;Vexual;BingoBoingo: shut one eye 483960;1391653819;BingoBoingo;Vexual: Mack me 483961;1391653823;mircea_popescu;nubbins` he has a point tho. i never dated. 483962;1391653831;nubbins`;nor i 483963;1391653843;nubbins`;this isn't the 50s 483964;1391653848;nubbins`;"wanna go steady" 483965;1391653856;BingoBoingo;I dated, it was horrible. Fucking was much better. 483966;1391653862;mircea_popescu;in romanian you'd "ask for a girl's friendship" in the 50s 483967;1391653872;mircea_popescu;basically... asking for a friendzone ? 483968;1391653920;lippoper;S 483969;1391653923;lippoper;A 483970;1391653924;lippoper;S 483971;1391653925;lippoper;S 483972;1391653925;BingoBoingo;Vexual: Why aren't you pumpin Altcoin yet? 483973;1391653932;lippoper;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m18psqC2Xg1qgs3vvo1_500.jpg 483974;1391653947;mircea_popescu;he got hired by Max Failser, that's why 483975;1391653956;mircea_popescu;he be pumpin' that maxcoin nao 483976;1391653956;nubbins`;"At Least 50 Couples Have Gotten Engaged Thanks To Red-Hot Hook-Up App Tinder" 483977;1391653960;Vexual;i don't take keister coin 483978;1391653972;benkay;but you do take coin in the kiester! 483979;1391653977;mircea_popescu;ajaja 483980;1391653989;BingoBoingo;What is even the mining stroke for KeiserCoin? 483981;1391653997;benkay;up... 483982;1391653999;benkay;and down. 483983;1391654001;benkay;up... 483984;1391654002;benkay;and down. 483985;1391654003;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo 30 second blocks 483986;1391654005;mircea_popescu;that shoud be a riot. 483987;1391654008;nubbins`;no, up only 483988;1391654011;nubbins`;endless pull-out 483989;1391654032;nubbins`;Max Forkser 483990;1391654032;mod6;pump.... and dump! 483991;1391654046;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: So GHCQ should squash it in good order with their SYN shit. 483992;1391654050;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the 512 second block altchains die out in about 10 days, 483993;1391654062;mircea_popescu;when people are done mining the juciest blocks and move on 483994;1391654074;mircea_popescu;a 30 second block chain should be exhausted in about... a day. 483995;1391654086;BingoBoingo;I really need to make that MD4 coin... 483996;1391654097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45763 @ 0.00093637 = 42.8511 BTC [+] {3} 483997;1391654101;Vexual;you might wanna close both eyes 483998;1391654149;BingoBoingo;Max difficulty within the first hour. It would actually be a useful experiment in how BTC would handle a catastrophic break of SHA-256 483999;1391654158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7887 @ 0.00093802 = 7.3982 BTC [+] {3} 484000;1391654196;Vexual;good point 484001;1391654223;BingoBoingo;Thank you Vexual 484002;1391654232;benkay;except we've seen coins get diff-pinned before. 484003;1391654235;mircea_popescu;ironically, i think btc would be thje safest 484004;1391654249;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Prolly 484005;1391654260;mircea_popescu;cause watched pot and not *really* that much benefit 484006;1391654273;mircea_popescu;various other things, such as banking, however... 484007;1391654274;mircea_popescu;owch. 484008;1391654294;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't wanna be a tech lead for any bank when sha cracks. 484009;1391654306;mircea_popescu;tbh i imagine the security people wake up screaming once a month cause of this] 484010;1391654327;benkay;we're all security people now. 484011;1391654330;BingoBoingo;Do banks even use SHA-1 yet? Is that "approved" for them? 484012;1391654349;mircea_popescu;benkay no i mean specifically, it sec consultants for banks with major customer facing interfaces 484013;1391654389;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo sure. 484014;1391654429;BingoBoingo;I ask because more consumers were injured in the target hack than will probably ever hold BTC 484015;1391654460;mircea_popescu;http://it.slashdot.org/story/13/11/13/0154244/microsoft-warns-customers-away-from-rc4-and-sha-1 484016;1391654462;ozbot;Microsoft Warns Customers Away From RC4 and SHA-1 - Slashdot 484017;1391654464;mircea_popescu;just for lolz 484018;1391654489;Vexual;gates is audi for real now 484019;1391654532;BingoBoingo;I need to come up with something Slashdot worthy. Unless someone else wants to start pumping my Altcoin artile at 07:00 UTC 484020;1391654564;benkay;your 15 minutes of fame have passed, BingoBoingo. 484021;1391654585;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+] 484022;1391654598;Plaxant;BingoBoingo I'm surprised r/baseball didn't like the link I posted 484023;1391654619;BingoBoingo;benkay: You dedicated Lispers assume one Macro is enough. 484024;1391654646;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.119 BTC [+] 484025;1391654648;BingoBoingo;Plaxant: I will hurt them again. Oncce pitchers and catchers report. 484026;1391654755;benkay;i'm nowhere near enough of a lisper to catch your ref, B 484027;1391654760;benkay;BingoBoingo ^^ 484028;1391654769;BingoBoingo;Shame there is no World Baseball Classic this year. Netherlands and Puerto Rico made me a lot of worth much less BTC last year. 484029;1391654820;benkay;BingoBoingo: do you use a dedicated bitbet address? 484030;1391654839;BingoBoingo;benkay: The code of one input one output. 484031;1391654856;BingoBoingo;benkay: Actually I force myself to use several Bitbet addresses 484032;1391654885;BingoBoingo;I only advertise the 1lvcunts as belonging to myself but superficial shit can reveal three moar. 484033;1391654964;benkay;well on an entirely different topic 484034;1391654976;BingoBoingo;Deeper analysis can reveal 8 addresses used that go back to me. Deeper still analysis and you need drugs 484035;1391655035;Plaxant;BingoBoingo drugs should always be needed 484036;1391655036;Vexual;i hope nubbins' puts a few illustrated blockchain pages in his book, or a whole encyclopedia 484037;1391655065;BingoBoingo;Plaxant: Drugs lik everything else should need consent. 484038;1391655077;pankkake;I like to have the same address, but I bet more for fun and pride 484039;1391655110;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what do you care about ./ anyway 484040;1391655168;herbijudlestoids;hahahaha 484041;1391655169;herbijudlestoids;http://www.hhspn.com/dmx-george-zimmerman-celebrity-boxing-match-confirmed-rapper-dmx-vs-george-zimmerman/ 484042;1391655188;herbijudlestoids;anyone seen that southpark episode about zimmeman 484043;1391655192;mircea_popescu;"My @YouTube career was born in my bedroom. @Google was born in @SusanWojcicki's garage. Big dreams have humble beginnings " 484044;1391655195;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 35 @ 0.00477642 = 0.1672 BTC [+] {3} 484045;1391655197;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's kind of a rush.I missed most of the actual action when I made it the first time driving into the Icy north. 484046;1391655198;mircea_popescu;jesus twitter is insanity. 484047;1391655198;benkay;herbijudlestoids if you ever link an autoplaying video again i will straight murder your face 484048;1391655230;herbijudlestoids;benkay: apologies. i have all my plugins to only load on click 484049;1391655233;benkay;jesus twitter 484050;1391655235;Vexual;hey herbi, schapeele might be getting out on the weekend, dya think abbot can fuck up her chances by then? 484051;1391655252;herbijudlestoids;Vexual: going on abbotts current track record? 484052;1391655258;Vexual;even money huh? 484053;1391655259;herbijudlestoids;plus the potential embarrasment for customs? 484054;1391655262;herbijudlestoids;id say so :P 484055;1391655282;herbijudlestoids;or i should say, it wouldnt surprise me 484056;1391655304;Vexual;war might wait til monday 484057;1391655361;herbijudlestoids;benkay: do you really let flash and whatnot just load in browser with no control? 484058;1391655374;BingoBoingo;^^ 484059;1391655403;herbijudlestoids;i got noscript, adblock, ad blocking /etc/hosts with ~15,000 hosts blocked...and i still dont let flash or java load unless i click it 484060;1391655429;benkay;congratulations, you obviously don't operate in derpy web application zone land. 484061;1391655437;BingoBoingo;Why not jsut use lynx? 484062;1391655450;mod6;lynx++ 484063;1391655469;herbijudlestoids;benkay: derpy web applications dont break if you enable "click to load" on plugins... 484064;1391655475;benkay;hahaha 484065;1391655476;benkay;oh 484066;1391655479;benkay;ho ho ho ho ho 484067;1391655493;benkay;you have obviously spent much time debugging legacy javascript 484068;1391655500;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00042042 = 0.8408 BTC [-] {14} 484069;1391655501;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 290 @ 0.00501256 = 1.4536 BTC [-] {13} 484070;1391655502;herbijudlestoids;also zone land is a tautology :P 484071;1391655518;benkay;language is poetry. 484072;1391655527;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: What about Mario Zone? 484073;1391655527;nubbins`;receipt receipt 484074;1391655528;benkay;not programming. 484075;1391655553;BingoBoingo;We should make AltLang 484076;1391655560;BingoBoingo;Make it super Meta 484077;1391655561;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2013 @ 0.00042 = 0.8455 BTC [-] {4} 484078;1391655599;herbijudlestoids;benkay: so...youre saying that legacy javascript, breaks, if you enable "click to load" on, say, flash? 484079;1391655612;herbijudlestoids;oookkkk 484080;1391655617;BingoBoingo;We will basically jsut change all of the labels on steelbank common lisp and offer it as an improvement on Javascript. Even give it a cute Doge pic 484081;1391655622;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 121 @ 0.00475971 = 0.5759 BTC [-] {12} 484082;1391655623;benkay;i have learned the hard way to remove sources of indeterminacy from my stack 484083;1391655641;benkay;mystery browser plugins are a source of indeterminacy. 484084;1391655653;benkay;they always want to do crazy shit to the dom. 484085;1391655659;herbijudlestoids;? which mystery browser plugin 484086;1391655660;benkay;isolate isolate isolate 484087;1391655666;herbijudlestoids;yo, you realise its a native feature in chrome and firefox right 484088;1391655668;nubbins`;herbijudlestoids, all the ones you listed 484089;1391655674;BingoBoingo;Altlang is going to be best lang 484090;1391655685;nubbins`;altlang syne 484091;1391655698;herbijudlestoids;nubbins`: the extensions i listed have nothing to do with "Click to Load" which is a native feature of modern browsers... 484092;1391655704;BingoBoingo;All this alpha shit is my garage is gonna go to the moon! 484093;1391655711;benkay;so then client relations - i want to demo a thing with the UX flow a client spent an ungodly amount of money on. i'm not going to ruin my demo with my personal settings. 484094;1391655730;herbijudlestoids;what i said precisely was that even despite those extensions, i still use click to load 484095;1391655744;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 108 @ 0.00438978 = 0.4741 BTC [-] {11} 484096;1391655747;benkay;in any event 484097;1391655752;benkay;this is a stupid discussion. 484098;1391655759;herbijudlestoids;maybe...im just incredulous 484099;1391655768;herbijudlestoids;cant believe people let plugins load auto 484100;1391655771;nubbins`;you are alone in your incredulity 484101;1391655775;benkay;yeah man 484102;1391655781;benkay;people just run java web apps all the time 484103;1391655793;benkay;what phone book of actual use story memos did you miss? 484104;1391655794;BingoBoingo;Because if it isn't niggers.txt, angles.txt, or saxons.txt it itsn't worth reading? 484105;1391655821;nubbins`;-assetsQuarterly.txt 484106;1391655843;nubbins`;some of the bash quotes, though funny, aren't fun to draw 484107;1391655866;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 102 @ 0.00420489 = 0.4289 BTC [-] {8} 484108;1391655920;benkay;#49 is one of the better ones 484109;1391655929;herbijudlestoids;i gotta say, im used to hanging out with opinionated geeks, but yall have some of the weirdest forced opinions iv encountered 484110;1391655931;benkay;i want to see an illustration of vexual on the internet by accident 484111;1391655955;pankkake;don't forget to draw him upside down 484112;1391656005;ThickAsThieves;eccentricity gives +Agility 484113;1391656018;pankkake;also Australia 484114;1391656029;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: You just aren't acclimated yet. 484115;1391656048;pankkake;I agree with herbijudlestoids 484116;1391656069;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: You have serious potential to stay, but you need to depressurize the space suit and embrrace it. 484117;1391656102;herbijudlestoids;yeah, id prefer to ask questions than accept :) 484118;1391656110;benkay;breathe the hard vacuum of bitcoin 484119;1391656152;herbijudlestoids;i didnt come here to join an echo chamber, but i do try to keep an open mind and ask questions 484120;1391656168;benkay;bathe in the sweet sterilizing rays of non-dilutable currency 484121;1391656172;herbijudlestoids;i actually stayed because it seems like people are willing to answer those questions to a level that satisfies me 484122;1391656193;herbijudlestoids;(even if i disagree) 484123;1391656208;benkay;disagreement is the heart of discourse 484124;1391656213;herbijudlestoids;^ 484125;1391656213;benkay;it'd be boring if we all agreed all the time 484126;1391656232;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+] 484127;1391656249;ThickAsThieves;I agree 484128;1391656258;pankkake;NO 484129;1391656261;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: The first rule of IRC is if it acts the way you anticipated something is wronger 484130;1391656273;benkay;unless freenode is under ddos 484131;1391656289;herbijudlestoids;what kind of dicks ddos freenode anyway, i want to know 484132;1391656300;BingoBoingo;benkay: But that is GHCQBBQOMGWTF 484133;1391656301;benkay;who cares 484134;1391656305;benkay;it's a fact of life 484135;1391656330;herbijudlestoids;well, if its JTRIG, i want to know 484136;1391656348;benkay;beyond my pay grade, mate 484137;1391656353;nubbins`;i accept it 484138;1391656357;ThickAsThieves;the Brits did it right? 484139;1391656358;nubbins`;let the s be dd if it wishes 484140;1391656470;mircea_popescu; i gotta say, im used to hanging out with opinionated geeks, but yall have some of the weirdest forced opinions iv encountered << bs. nobody here has any opinions. 484141;1391656476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14217 @ 0.00093446 = 13.2852 BTC [-] 484142;1391656534;mircea_popescu;THEY BE FACTS 484143;1391656557;BingoBoingo;RichardSherman.txt 484144;1391656567;nubbins`;i actually opine fairly often 484145;1391656569;jayk;lol 484146;1391656577;nubbins`;usually right tho 484147;1391656579;nubbins`;so 484148;1391656579;BingoBoingo;Aka why the superbowl was as boring as fuck 484149;1391656587;jayk;he sprained his ankle 484150;1391656599;jayk;sherman was visible upset he wasn't able to show off 484151;1391656605;jayk;or run his mouf 484152;1391656618;jayk;got carted off the field ... 484153;1391656637;mircea_popescu;and now for the real reason herbijudlestoids' decided to stay : http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meelc8j3t01ru15g3o1_1280.jpg 484154;1391656647;BingoBoingo;jayk: Shut yout mouth. When he was on the field he crippled Denver, they coudn't dar to try going long. 484155;1391656656;jayk;i live in seattle we had a parade today, 750K showed up 484156;1391656668;jayk;seattle police only expected about 300 maybe 350K 484157;1391656736;jayk;sherman didn't do much during the superbowl and got injured :P 484158;1391656743;the20year2;what parade? 484159;1391656748;jayk;for the seahawks 484160;1391656755;the20year2;oh nice 484161;1391656756;the20year2;they deserve it 484162;1391656757;jayk;biggest event ever in the history of seattle 484163;1391656761;the20year2;Good for them 484164;1391656762;BingoBoingo;jayk: He did everything the first 3 and 1/3 quarters. 484165;1391656769;benkay;bread and circuses. 484166;1391656784;BingoBoingo;jayk: What about Ken Griffey Jr. 484167;1391656785;jayk;bigger than the worlds fair 484168;1391656791;jayk;bigger than ken griffey 484169;1391656795;jayk;bigger than any baseball game 484170;1391656846;BingoBoingo;jayk: I dunno... How many stereos did da union take during Stl's 2011 world series parades... 484171;1391656858;jayk;well i meant just for seattle 484172;1391656865;jayk;sorry :) 484173;1391656893;jayk;i didn't go specifically because people are probably still trying to get home.. 484174;1391656902;BingoBoingo;jayk: It's ok. You can have this totally unwatchable superbowl (for denver reasons) 484175;1391656920;jayk;a lot of people turned it off 3/4's into it 484176;1391656972;jayk;i was reading about ad placement and the 3/4 time spot was supposed to be the hottest 484177;1391657013;mircea_popescu;how did the ad numbers look ? 484178;1391657016;jayk;which was where the placed the longest commercial at 2 minutes 484179;1391657017;jayk;dunno 484180;1391657018;ThickAsThieves;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/new-lawsuit-against-bitcoin-miner-manufacturer-alleges-fraud-negligence/ 484181;1391657019;ozbot;New lawsuit against Bitcoin miner manufacturer alleges fraud, negligence | Ars Technica 484182;1391657024;ThickAsThieves;(BFL) 484183;1391657060;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Ads got sold for a lot and were seen little 484184;1391657086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10111 @ 0.00093383 = 9.442 BTC [-] {2} 484185;1391657089;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo %s vs last year ? 484186;1391657121;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I don't see an alternative. I went to bed after half time. The game was so poorly matched. 484187;1391657147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 689 @ 0.00093268 = 0.6426 BTC [-] 484188;1391657158;jayk;that's going to get ugly 484189;1391657174;mircea_popescu;was just curious what teh ppl report themselves. afaik it was a complete disaster and probably the turning point for the entire sport 484190;1391657175;mircea_popescu;but hey. 484191;1391657208;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10466666 = 0.314 BTC [-] {2} 484192;1391657237;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I appreciate that as a competitor a great game is humiliating the competition. As a spectator though. I honestly prefer what the BCS offered, an exciting game won as an accident of time. 484193;1391657319;jayk;i didnt know there was a BFL scam list 484194;1391657329;BingoBoingo;For the college championsip 10 seconds either way on the clock would have changed the win. This Winning by everything sort of game should be a forgetable regular season game. 484195;1391657334;jayk;wow i was getting ready to possibly pay them some monies :( 484196;1391657413;BingoBoingo;jayk: If you want I mining bond I can offer you BTC equivalent to 0.0125 ml of natural gas per day. 484197;1391657451;jayk;oh? 484198;1391657495;BingoBoingo;Of course, I can sell 10 of those mining bonds. 484199;1391657527;jayk;once this shell fish ban on china passes i can go back to selling them at $50/lb 484200;1391657530;jayk;have you seen those things? 484201;1391657543;jayk;i live on an island 484202;1391657550;jayk;rich in clams 484203;1391657556;Vexual;whats that jayk? 484204;1391657556;jayk;biggest clam in the world 484205;1391657565;jayk;geoducks are 5lb clams 484206;1391657570;Vexual;you grow clams? 484207;1391657571;BingoBoingo;Geoduck? 484208;1391657572;jayk;maybe 8lb if you get lucky 484209;1391657574;jayk;nope i dig them 484210;1391657578;BingoBoingo;Is that a pokeman? 484211;1391657580;jayk;no 484212;1391657591;jayk;i guess i could say i "mine" them 484213;1391657592;jayk;hehehe 484214;1391657635;Vexual;where do you sell them? 484215;1391657708;jayk;restaurants or dry ice over seas 484216;1391657712;Vexual;into china? 484217;1391657749;Mats_cd03;mmm clams 484218;1391657757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14811 @ 0.00093268 = 13.8139 BTC [-] 484219;1391657759;jayk;http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2022464264_shellfishbanxml.html 484220;1391657777;jayk;they are breeding them now, they were worthless 20 years ago 484221;1391657784;ozbot;Geoduck industry fighting China’s shellfish-import ban | Business & Technology | The Seattle Times 484222;1391657798;BingoBoingo;Fuck, when does bobsled start, or luge. Betting on hockey is boring. 484223;1391657845;Vexual;you just dhl em over on ice? 484224;1391657852;jayk;dhl moved out of usa 484225;1391657854;jayk;but yes 484226;1391657898;jayk;as a kid i could dig 200lbs in an hour 484227;1391657906;jayk;i didnt know any better and threw them into the garden as fertilizer 484228;1391657908;jayk;for tomato plants 484229;1391658363;Vexual;wheres an agrucultural scientician when you need em huh? 484230;1391658376;jayk;lol 484231;1391658434;mircea_popescu;jayk mmm clams. 484232;1391658473;Vexual;there he is 484233;1391658489;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9932 @ 0.00092985 = 9.2353 BTC [-] 484234;1391658529;jayk;oh 484235;1391658556;jayk;they are tasty in pesto sauce 484236;1391658562;herbijudlestoids;mmm pesto 484237;1391658567;Vexual;how do they eat them in china? 484238;1391658571;jayk;idk 484239;1391658588;mircea_popescu;no clam chowder ? 484240;1391658609;jayk;clam chowder is a lot of work to make 484241;1391658610;Vexual;how much copper nitrate can they cope with? :) 484242;1391658640;nubbins`;clam chowder isn't too bad prep-wis 484243;1391658641;nubbins`;e 484244;1391658654;nubbins`;lot of separate ingredients to buy, but it's a single-pot meal 484245;1391658669;jayk;3hours? 484246;1391658675;jayk;potatoes take a long time 484247;1391658695;nubbins`;not 3 hours 484248;1391658702;nubbins`;20-30 minutes spread over 3 hours 484249;1391658720;nubbins`;that's like saying sourdough is a lot of work because it takes 8 hours to make 2 loaves 484250;1391658726;jayk;heh 484251;1391658733;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.118 BTC [+] 484252;1391658749;jayk;nobody wants to wait for their delicious chowder ow... 484253;1391658770;nubbins`;i'll spend 3-4 hours cooking a meal several days per week 484254;1391658816;Vexual;lets get nigella in for the brochure, she will have a 20 minute version 484255;1391658817;nubbins`;the other day, i simmered a dozen sausages in a pot of pasta sauce for an hour and a half ;( 484256;1391658822;jayk;i have never made it though i have been thinking about it 484257;1391658862;nubbins`;the only problem is that it's a costly meal because you have to buy so many different types of seafood 484258;1391658873;Vexual;yes, its so china 484259;1391658874;jayk;i could get the clams for free 484260;1391658876;nubbins`;but you get a huge pot of it afterwards 484261;1391658885;jayk;the ground has been so cold here i bet my potatoes are still hard from last year 484262;1391658914;nubbins`;i cellared a few sacks of potatoes today 484263;1391658917;cazalla;is it even worth your time to grow potatoes? 484264;1391658922;jayk;yes 484265;1391658924;cazalla;i grow stuff i can't pick up at the fruit shop 484266;1391658926;nubbins`;cazalla: again, it's not much effort 484267;1391658932;nubbins`;it's just spread over a long period of time 484268;1391658933;jayk;i probably have 1000lbs in the ground or more 484269;1391658938;cazalla;not so much the effort but the space they take up 484270;1391658940;jayk;they are easy to grow 484271;1391658947;nubbins`;you can grow potatoes in containers, it's what i've done 484272;1391658955;nubbins`;tall wicker baskets, even a burlap sack 484273;1391658967;nubbins`;or go fancy and spend $20 on lumber to build a potato box 484274;1391658969;cazalla;i've read you can grow them vertically but i've also read people posting that it doesn't work 484275;1391658970;jayk;i tried to grow onions but my ducks trampeled over them 484276;1391658973;nubbins`;get 100lbs of potatoes out of it 484277;1391659007;Vexual;do you pick 100 or 1000 lbs by hand? 484278;1391659017;jayk;yes with shovel 484279;1391659020;cazalla;my tomatoes have been shit this year, constant heat wave has just ruined them 484280;1391659021;jayk;i only picked about 50lbs 484281;1391659022;nubbins`;the deck wouldn't support 1000, it's rickety 484282;1391659038;nubbins`;my tomatoes were pretty good this year 484283;1391659048;nubbins`;the broccoli all bolted when i was away for two weeks 484284;1391659049;jayk;a dear destroyed all my tomatoes 484285;1391659051;Vexual;my mangoes were stellar 484286;1391659056;jayk;next year i will use fencing 484287;1391659064;jayk;or guns 484288;1391659075;nubbins`;armed sentries 484289;1391659080;nubbins`;farmed sentries 484290;1391659084;cazalla;sentry would be sweet 484291;1391659093;Vexual;i sent an email to batman and no fruitbats came within a mile 484292;1391659094;nubbins`;oh, peas 484293;1391659100;nubbins`;i had so many goddamn peas this year 484294;1391659104;nubbins`;well, last year 484295;1391659113;nubbins`;forgot it's feb ;( 484296;1391659118;Vexual;now thats a nice thing to eat very fresh is peas 484297;1391659119;cazalla;summer is almost over here so i'll be looking forward to winter for the snow peas 484298;1391659131;jayk;mmm peas are so good 484299;1391659134;jayk;can eat them all day 484300;1391659148;nubbins`;yeah 484301;1391659149;Vexual;mmm snowpeas 484302;1391659153;nubbins`;i tried sugar sprint peas this year 484303;1391659157;nubbins`;really tasty 484304;1391659160;nubbins`;really fast too 484305;1391659203;nubbins`;http://myfolia.com/plants/1045-snap-pea-pisum-sativum-var-macrocarpon/varieties/4626-sugar-sprint 484306;1391659204;cazalla;do you need a trellis for those 484307;1391659205;ozbot;Snap pea 'Sugar Sprint' Plant Care & Growing Information | folia 484308;1391659217;nubbins`;i used bamboo rods, sorta worked 484309;1391659223;nubbins`;trellis would be better 484310;1391659231;nubbins`;or even several rods per pot, teepee style 484311;1391659252;nubbins`;grew 'em in empty 2L milk containers 484312;1391659281;Vexual;excellent food delivered world wide by jet and all bitcoin should be a thing 484313;1391659296;nubbins`;drone delivery 484314;1391659323;herbijudlestoids;harrrrrrrrr 484315;1391659324;herbijudlestoids;fucken cunts 484316;1391659327;herbijudlestoids;i work, with fucken cunts 484317;1391659331;nubbins`;this type of milk container, if the top is fully opened, is just deep enough for peas and easy to move by hand: http://www.scotsburn.com/images/Prducts/Calcium/UltrSKM.jpg 484318;1391659340;nubbins`;herb, quit 484319;1391659343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25850 @ 0.00092695 = 23.9617 BTC [-] 484320;1391659367;herbijudlestoids;i own a chunk of the company, dont want to quit 484321;1391659377;herbijudlestoids;i want them to spend money on servers and switching instead of conferences and meetpus 484322;1391659401;mircea_popescu;jesus! so all my life i was of the opinion i can identify diabethics, because i smell it on their breath. bunches of people thought this nutty. 484323;1391659418;nubbins`;sweet 484324;1391659453;mircea_popescu;talking to doctor person today i find out that a. in diabethics the body uses a lot of fat, creating a lot of ketones 484325;1391659457;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: ketoacidosis? 484326;1391659459;herbijudlestoids;yea 484327;1391659462;mircea_popescu;which eventually decarboxylate into acetone 484328;1391659468;mircea_popescu;which eventually gets lost through respiration. 484329;1391659491;mircea_popescu;(the guy asks me "well, what does it smell like ?" "apples" "but ofcourse. you're smelling acetone.") 484330;1391659493;Vexual;something clever 484331;1391659512;mircea_popescu;never fucking doubt what you know! 484332;1391659524;herbijudlestoids;or just google to confirm :P 484333;1391659535;herbijudlestoids;http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000320.htm 484334;1391659536;mircea_popescu;i guess so. 484335;1391659538;nubbins`;incidentally, this is where the whole "huffing on your fingernails before rubbing them on your lapel" thing came from 484336;1391659575;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids don't work with cunts. you play any poker ? 484337;1391659586;herbijudlestoids;i dont play poker 484338;1391659588;Namworld;You guys should see Bitfinex right now. 484339;1391659606;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids mkay. anyway, the idea is you ditch a hand when you know it can't win, not when you're comfortable with the loss. 484340;1391659624;Namworld;Someone managed to put a micro ask order for 500 USD/BTC and a bid for 10000 USD/BTC, which are now stuck there. 484341;1391659636;mircea_popescu;bitfinex still exists ?! 484342;1391659638;Namworld;Let's just say it's breaking having on the shorts/calls 484343;1391659649;Namworld;Yes. I was talking about it last month 484344;1391659661;mircea_popescu;how do all the scams keep going about like fucking zombies i'll never know./ 484345;1391659667;Namworld;Saying how it was lasting a long time while I expected it to go under within a month. 484346;1391659672;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: if i didnt think the company was about to grow by about 1000% i wouldnt be working here :) 484347;1391659685;Namworld;Mircea, there's a lot of people trading on Bitfinex. 484348;1391659688;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids a ok then. you don't REALLY think they're cunts huh. 484349;1391659698;nubbins`;well if it's gonna do that, fuck the servers and switching ;p 484350;1391659707;nubbins`;go to 2x as many "meetups" 484351;1391659715;mircea_popescu;Namworld sucks for them i guess. 484352;1391659715;Namworld;They can be seen on the Bitcoin price/market/speculation channels. Lot of people short/call on there. 484353;1391659716;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: theyre cunts because i should be in charge and everyone should listen to me and do as i say but they dont 484354;1391659733;Namworld;I'm on like 20 BTC related channels, watching 484355;1391659733;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids kinda proves they shouldn't. 484356;1391659779;cazalla;tickles my ego when i know what mircea_popescu is going to say before it's said 484357;1391659793;mircea_popescu;cazalla :) 484358;1391659793;herbijudlestoids;let me clarify. they are not cunts, until something goes wrong in exactly the way that i predicted if we went down a particular path 484359;1391659797;herbijudlestoids;then, they are cunts. 484360;1391659803;mircea_popescu;tell them :D 484361;1391659806;herbijudlestoids;oh i do! 484362;1391659815;mircea_popescu;what do they say ? 484363;1391659865;herbijudlestoids;mostly that things are the way they are 484364;1391659881;mircea_popescu;uh. 484365;1391659907;mircea_popescu;i'll bet you an altcoin this thing isn't growing 1000% in three months. 484366;1391659929;Vexual;hey im at this luch, sounds like a good idea 484367;1391659929;nubbins`;^ 484368;1391659931;herbijudlestoids;3-6 months is actually the timeframe 484369;1391659942;mircea_popescu;take it or leave it :D 484370;1391659949;nubbins`;just think your very own altcoin 484371;1391659954;nubbins`;you could call it herbijudlestoidscoin 484372;1391659958;mircea_popescu;that you can now owe :D 484373;1391659965;mircea_popescu;nubbins` nono, i meant tat's thing 484374;1391659968;mircea_popescu;one of them 484375;1391659986;Vexual;can't owe for a lunch 484376;1391659986;nubbins`;i know ;( 484377;1391660020;mircea_popescu;cazalla you know, i'm developing a serious problem with that. 484378;1391660030;mircea_popescu;people keep knowing what i'm gonna say and say it first just to spite me 484379;1391660061;mircea_popescu;im gonna borrow Vexual's chainz just to mess with people. 484380;1391660092;Vexual;um, yeah, sure 484381;1391660092;cazalla;i wouldn't do that, i see at as evidence i'm actually learning something 484382;1391660097;cazalla;it* 484383;1391660149;nubbins`;don't mess with the man's jewelry 484384;1391660165;Vexual;yeah its ok 484385;1391660169;Vexual;i guess 484386;1391660229;Vexual;im not here for a haircut 484387;1391660249;nubbins`;who is?! buy clippers 484388;1391660265;herbijudlestoids;i think after my company gets bought out im gonna just try and find some small/simple linux sysadmin work 484389;1391660269;Vexual;a spoonful of cement perhaps 484390;1391660291;nubbins`;http://dpaste.com/1587985/ 484391;1391660292;ozbot;dpaste: #1587985 484392;1391660292;nubbins`;lel 484393;1391660329;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids why not find some small/simple sex work ? 484394;1391660340;mircea_popescu;like teaching a bunch of teenagers to enjoy walking naked about town ? 484395;1391660340;nubbins`;yeah 484396;1391660350;nubbins`;or giving out handies for bitcents 484397;1391660362;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: im probly far less qualified? and i love working as a linux sysadmin on small projects? 484398;1391660365;herbijudlestoids;im sick of this scale shit 484399;1391660370;herbijudlestoids;running thousands of cores 484400;1391660381;Vexual;quit 484401;1391660385;herbijudlestoids;soon :) 484402;1391660393;herbijudlestoids;well, not quit, but buyout 484403;1391660404;Vexual;but the cunts remain 484404;1391660473;herbijudlestoids;i just have one last extremely large cloud to build 484405;1391660512;herbijudlestoids;maybe ill even get a job in a bookstore or something nice and simple like that 484406;1391660539;Vexual;lol 484407;1391660573;mircea_popescu;maybe you could work for mr bookman. 484408;1391660574;Vexual;ill do your tax 484409;1391660597;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: thats two seinfeld quotes, fan? i grew up watching it 484410;1391660616;herbijudlestoids;"its european" and "mr bookman" 484411;1391660616;mircea_popescu;i probably watched each episode twenty times. 484412;1391660635;Vexual;it was all that was on television here for 10 years 484413;1391660636;herbijudlestoids;:D do you like curb your enthusiasm? 484414;1391660642;herbijudlestoids;lol vex yea 484415;1391660644;mircea_popescu;i never watched that. 484416;1391660653;herbijudlestoids;woah what! 484417;1391660670;Vexual;trilema 484418;1391660690;mircea_popescu;o nm, i did watch five minutes of it. larry david is being awkward while a girlscout selling him cookies gets her period. 484419;1391660723;mircea_popescu;it sounds way better in that summary than it actually was. 484420;1391660731;nubbins`;^ 484421;1391660731;herbijudlestoids;i always grew up thinking each of the seinfeld characters has their own special quirks 484422;1391660743;herbijudlestoids;but then i watched curb your enthusiasm and realised they are all just bits of larry david 484423;1391660753;mircea_popescu;nah. 484424;1391660762;herbijudlestoids;yah 484425;1391660768;mircea_popescu;i would say larry david's contribution into the show is roughly represented by his total pay. 484426;1391660782;mircea_popescu;he made what, like 50mn to seinfeld's 1bn ? 484427;1391660795;herbijudlestoids;? his net worth is 750mn 484428;1391660795;Vexual;im sending chapelle corby the seinfeld box 484429;1391660811;Namworld;[23:19] like teaching a bunch of teenagers to enjoy walking naked about town ? 484430;1391660823;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: unrelated but possibly relevant to you: http://www.notanon.com/zipit/different-linux-distributions-for-the-zipit-z2/2010/05/30/ 484431;1391660843;Namworld;I'd be all for lifting ban on lack of clothing everywhere. 484432;1391660844;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: $ 20 or so. 484433;1391660856;jayk;wasn't mr bookman allergic to kamers shirt? 484434;1391660859;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sochi-security-airlines-warned-of-explosive-toothpaste-tube-threat-1.2524948 484435;1391660861;ozbot;Sochi security: Airlines warned of explosive toothpaste tube threat - World - CBC News 484436;1391660898;nubbins`;you'll need to be unconscious and naked to fly within 10 years, just saying 484437;1391660914;herbijudlestoids;cuntbreak over, back to cunting 484438;1391660918;Vexual;big bada boom in the cab nubbins' 484439;1391660926;mircea_popescu;Namworld hardly worth doing without the ban. 484440;1391660991;Namworld;I don't see why. It's supposed to be done strictly to go against the rules? 484441;1391661038;mircea_popescu;Namworld i generally don't want to see random people naked. 484442;1391661046;mircea_popescu;i want to see specific people naked and that's all. 484443;1391661074;mircea_popescu;moreover, the awkwardness and disability of the general folk the ban supports and nourishes serves as an adequate representation of their general mental and social inferiority. 484444;1391661112;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00302999 = 0.606 BTC [+] {2} 484445;1391661113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30250 @ 0.0009263 = 28.0206 BTC [-] {2} 484446;1391661162;Namworld;Oh, I'd certainly prefer to only see specific people moving around naked and others not. 484447;1391661173;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00302999 = 0.303 BTC [+] {2} 484448;1391661176;mircea_popescu;so then there you go. ban serves a useful purpose. 484449;1391661219;Vexual;what kinda lead time can i expect for a vespa with vex on the numberplate in romania? 484450;1391661234;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00303 = 0.606 BTC [+] 484451;1391661236;Namworld;I would be okay if the ban simply wasn't there at all. Simply because it's silly. 484452;1391661249;mircea_popescu;Vexual i have no idea. a few weeks / 484453;1391661263;Vexual;the plate neednt be actual 484454;1391661266;mircea_popescu;Namworld many silly things are required for society to function. 484455;1391661313;Namworld;Perhaps. But is that really required for society to function? 484456;1391661320;Vexual;food 484457;1391661375;Vexual;and the odd sensible person 484458;1391661412;drstevebrule;is that chat about bitcoin markets? because BFX is fucked right now 484459;1391661440;Namworld;I was mentioning that earlier. 484460;1391661446;drstevebrule;if not, what channel do I go to? cause this is a shit show 484461;1391661462;Vexual;what of your life boat seteve? 484462;1391661524;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/deer-droppings-lead-to-artistic-protest-in-penticton-1.2523625 484463;1391661531;ozbot;Deer droppings lead to artistic protest in Penticton - British Columbia - CBC News 484464;1391661580;Vexual;shit that looks like the lamb that brought the fear 484465;1391661591;nubbins`;well, doctor, this is as good a place as any to voice your displeasure 484466;1391661610;nubbins`;Vexual, it makes me feel funny 484467;1391661626;drstevebrule;I told you guys, Im relaxing in my life boat, everyone is starting to really scramble for one now 484468;1391661628;nubbins`;that's a lovely wooden stand it's on, though 484469;1391661664;Vexual;ug the stand is too two dimensional 484470;1391661687;nubbins`;deers can't stand on curved surfaces 484471;1391661691;nubbins`;you're thinking goats 484472;1391661699;mircea_popescu;drstevebrule say wut ? 484473;1391661735;mircea_popescu;o, bitfinex ? dude, srsly, it was identified as a scam a while back, what did you think ? 484474;1391661740;nubbins`;http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2011/11/02/deer_duck_caught.gif 484475;1391661782;Namworld;Was it? 484476;1391661793;mircea_popescu;is that your prime minister nubs ? 484477;1391661804;drstevebrule;every exchange is on crack these days, you can't win haha 484478;1391661804;nubbins`;the duck? he resigned 484479;1391661812;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140484.0 Namworld 484480;1391661814;nubbins`;this is our new prime minister: http://25.media.tumblr.com/50a526a5ec7fd316c4d93142d5f849a2/tumblr_ml9mz7em0Z1qem0zfo1_500.gif 484481;1391661814;ozbot;MPOE-PR's list of things you always suspected were scams but never dared say so. 484482;1391661844;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 14 @ 0.04999554 = 0.6999 BTC [+] {3} 484483;1391661868;Vexual;are we allowed vimeo? 484484;1391661878;nubbins`;sure, why not 484485;1391661879;nubbins`;http://peripateticbone.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/ba3.jpg 484486;1391661887;drstevebrule;BFX seems hacked right now, there is a 10,000 bid that is making me take out more margin then I should actually be allowed to take out 484487;1391661898;drstevebrule;its a shit show 484488;1391661905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00092702 = 32.3066 BTC [+] {2} 484489;1391661923;Namworld;Oh... I wouldn't as much label it as a scam than incompetence. Although does the distinction between the two really matter? Same result. 484490;1391661934;mircea_popescu;i doubt the distinction matters practically. 484491;1391661936;Namworld;But yeah 484492;1391661949;Namworld;Yes, it's pretty funny, DrSteve 484493;1391661950;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG3hBCrgRJU 484494;1391661951;ozbot;KOSHEEN - "GONE" - YouTube 484495;1391661965;drstevebrule;that is a really nice painting of our prime minister... 484496;1391661966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00092947 = 4.5079 BTC [+] {2} 484497;1391661972;mircea_popescu;drstevebrule this isn't the first time with them, either. one of the two kids split a few months ago, he had a lot of dirt to share re his friend 484498;1391661980;mircea_popescu;somehow tho, people never do much research. 484499;1391662023;Namworld;There's only one "Gone" video for me... this remix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TlPo0yCSa4 484500;1391662048;drstevebrule;well I didn't do much research, maybe I should hang out here more. I hope I don't get ripped off 484501;1391662085;mircea_popescu;you probably will, as in general i've noticed people join here after being ripped off. 484502;1391662092;mircea_popescu;befre, they're kings of all matters financial. 484503;1391662123;drstevebrule;haha don't say that, i was not ripped off yet 484504;1391662140;Vexual;yeah ive redirected you subscrip[tion to bears monthly 484505;1391662204;Vexual;not relly 484506;1391662241;mircea_popescu;http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?443247-Think-you-know-everything-bitcoin-Meet-Mircea-Popescu-of-Romania&p=5403853 484507;1391662246;mircea_popescu;now i know i've made it. 484508;1391662254;nubbins`;Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJqo90lNYLs 484509;1391662264;nubbins`;you can mute if you like 484510;1391662291;Vexual;i can handle it 484511;1391662305;ozbot;Think you know everything bitcoin? Meet Mircea Popescu of Romania 484512;1391662356;Vexual;welcome to yesterday 484513;1391662357;drstevebrule;wow, i really am not good enough to be here. fuck - sorry guys 484514;1391662359;mircea_popescu;and now it's time for... 484515;1391662361;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cajcEZ5Z-x8 484516;1391662362;ozbot;Animaniacs - Nighty Night Toons - YouTube 484517;1391662454;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.04999998 = 0.25 BTC [+] 484518;1391662637;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1179 = 0.2358 BTC [-] 484519;1391662639;nubbins`;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jGaio87u3A 484520;1391662640;ozbot;Deepest Mandelbrot Set Zoom Animation ever - a New Record 10^275 (2.1E275 or 2^915) - YouTube 484521;1391662749;nubbins`;i actually had to turn it off 484522;1391662790;Vexual;quite deep 484523;1391662841;Vexual;points for goa trance 484524;1391663044;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4khelsQ8LdQ 484525;1391663045;ozbot;Aeon Flux - The Complete Animated Collection Trailer - YouTube 484526;1391663247;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00092681 = 10.0095 BTC [-] 484527;1391663483;Mats_cd03;.bait 484528;1391663485;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m741ce4H5a1qcq2olo1_500.jpg 484529;1391663570;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: with info i dumped today I limited the population that coul be me to even rather naive lusers to 1 484530;1391663617;Vexual;you forgot to sa ratio 484531;1391663730;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_pS46YRMIQ 484532;1391663731;ozbot;Die Antwoord - Zef Side. - YouTube 484533;1391663739;BingoBoingo;Vexual: Finite things have answers in the world that aren't numbers though 484534;1391663804;Vexual;tell my oncologist 484535;1391663877;BingoBoingo;Vexual: methotrexate 484536;1391664068;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6JYzOjglBs 484537;1391664069;ozbot;Seeed: Aufstehn - (official Video) - YouTube 484538;1391664406;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [-] 484539;1391664407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4196 @ 0.00092614 = 3.8861 BTC [-] 484540;1391664650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00092033 = 10.0776 BTC [-] 484541;1391664849;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw6ofgKjuGo 484542;1391664851;ozbot;Die Antwoord - I Don't Need You (Unofficial) - YouTube 484543;1391664996;BingoBoingo;Vexual: You self chemo yet? 484544;1391665078;Vexual;no 484545;1391665138;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2323 @ 0.0030001 = 6.9692 BTC [-] {4} 484546;1391665315;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK8mJJJvaes damn 484547;1391665315;ozbot;MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS - THRIFT SHOP FEAT. WANZ (OFFICIAL VIDEO) - YouTube 484548;1391666153;Mats_cd03;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0 1.9bln views 484549;1391666236;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00458895 = 0.1285 BTC [-] 484550;1391666297;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.00458894 = 0.2157 BTC [-] {2} 484551;1391666336;Namworld;Do you know the consequences of having bids at 10000 and asks at 500 bugged on the orderbook? All shorts/margins are considered in the profits massively. And you can just margin to the max based on fake profits. Apparently. 484552;1391666367;Namworld;And run your account into the red when the actual last price makes shorts/calls execute. 484553;1391666383;Namworld;Someone put a screenshot in markets channel 484554;1391666385;Namworld;http://i.imgur.com/LdXwDlM.png 484555;1391666464;Namworld;Or actually they don't get executed based on last price... not sure. 484556;1391666469;Namworld;Either way 484557;1391666498;Namworld;If whoever put those orders in there removes them... might cause a mass execute of all margin orders. 484558;1391666533;Namworld;Because it seems the current situation gives everyone on finex more or less infinite margin. 484559;1391666730;BingoBoingo;45 minutes 484560;1391667311;herbijudlestoids;whats that sound that the quarry makes 484561;1391667316;herbijudlestoids;in flinstones at the end of the day 484562;1391667321;herbijudlestoids;that noise just went off in my head 484563;1391667329;herbijudlestoids;yabbadabbadoo 484564;1391667762;Bugpowder;So is gox finally imploding? 484565;1391667820;BingoBoingo;Bugpowder: We can hope 484566;1391667843;Bugpowder;Just shut it down for the love of god 484567;1391667974;BingoBoingo;Bugpowder: When dicks can eat themselves 484568;1391668310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00086293 = 6.6877 BTC [-] 484569;1391668432;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.11839999 = 0.592 BTC [+] {3} 484570;1391668493;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.11999999 = 0.48 BTC [+] 484571;1391668554;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.12111111 = 1.09 BTC [+] {2} 484572;1391668615;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.12428571 = 0.87 BTC [+] {2} 484573;1391668646;herbijudlestoids;Namworld: any ideas how it happened? 484574;1391668649;herbijudlestoids;bug in the orderbook? 484575;1391668656;herbijudlestoids;poor matching system? 484576;1391668676;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12666666 = 0.38 BTC [+] {2} 484577;1391668737;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.13045453 = 1.435 BTC [+] {2} 484578;1391668795;Apocalyptic;hey Bugpowder, long time no see 484579;1391668802;Bugpowder;yo 484580;1391669168;benkay;asssssses 484581;1391669168;benkay;whats up mah neeeeeg 484582;1391669225;herbijudlestoids;Bugpowder: there has certainly been some complaints on /r/BitCoin which i check once a week or so 484583;1391669352;Namworld;Bug in the orderbook. Someone managed to place a fucked order and it's stuck there, it seems. 484584;1391669408;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012949 = 0.1295 BTC [+] 484585;1391669470;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 23 @ 0.005 = 0.115 BTC 484586;1391669557;benkay;vexual i didn't know you were a seeed fan 484587;1391669604;herbijudlestoids;Namworld: any indications why the order wasnt matched in auction correctly? 484588;1391669616;herbijudlestoids;or why the exch admins havent matched manually? 484589;1391669643;herbijudlestoids;how can there be any margin liquidations if the orderbook is broken :P 484590;1391669643;Namworld;Because something must be botched in the code and it doesn't work, obviously. 484591;1391669664;herbijudlestoids;not like they can clear any orders in the market on customers with margin calls 484592;1391669714;Namworld;Luk hiere, thangs ir bork'd op. 484593;1391669729;Namworld;Margin liquidation can happen on finex. People can withdraw LTC/BTC 484594;1391669744;Namworld;All numbers are borked up. 484595;1391669755;herbijudlestoids;how are the liquidations happening 484596;1391669762;herbijudlestoids;sorry if im pestering 484597;1391669779;Namworld;How would I freaking now? 484598;1391669786;Namworld;Code is borked is borked. 484599;1391669791;Namworld;Seems quite simple. 484600;1391669799;Namworld;It's the Bitopocalypse. 484601;1391669839;benkay;derpy web app developers match orders manually? don't make me laugh, herbijudlestoids 484602;1391669842;benkay;Namworld herbijudlestoids how do we profit off of all this incompetence? 484603;1391669864;herbijudlestoids;short bitfinex on MPEX? :P 484604;1391669874;Namworld;We don't. 484605;1391669877;herbijudlestoids;^ 484606;1391669882;herbijudlestoids;do not get involved 484607;1391669891;herbijudlestoids;best risk/reward ratio 484608;1391669908;Namworld;I tested with a small amount. No orders/margins go through. Withdrawals occurs. 484609;1391669948;Namworld;I would guess wallet would have gone empty OR Bitstamp would have been crashed/pumped infinitely if people managed to exploit it. 484610;1391669956;herbijudlestoids;it doesnt make sense to me unless the exchange is flawed by design 484611;1391669975;herbijudlestoids;youre saying the wide orders placed in the book jammed it up 484612;1391669988;herbijudlestoids;margin liquidations happen into the orderbook 484613;1391669995;BingoBoingo;Namworld: Bitocolypse was 11 months ago 484614;1391670020;herbijudlestoids;if liquidations are happening without going into the market then the exchange is taking on liabilities which might not be available when the market returns at the correct volumes 484615;1391670036;kakobrekla;mornin 484616;1391670044;herbijudlestoids;hullo kako :) 484617;1391670051;herbijudlestoids;whats your 2c? 484618;1391670053;kakobrekla;;;ticker 484619;1391670054;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 851.51234, Best ask: 853.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.48766, Last trade: 853.0, 24 hour volume: 17904.66180588, 24 hour low: 801.0, 24 hour high: 933.51848, 24 hour vwap: 868.59757 484620;1391670066;kakobrekla;i need coffee 484621;1391670069;Namworld;kako 484622;1391670078;kakobrekla;m? 484623;1391670080;Namworld;Bitfinex huge derping 484624;1391670088;kakobrekla;gox stuck? 484625;1391670090;Namworld;Have a laugh this morning 484626;1391670095;Namworld;No, Bitfinex... 484627;1391670101;kakobrekla;hm 484628;1391670104;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: gox finally bleeds 484629;1391670113;herbijudlestoids;woah, the GHs/BTC price on cex.io has finally crashed too 484630;1391670117;Namworld;Someone managed to stuck a 10000 USD bid and a 500 USD ask that won't go away. 484631;1391670117;kakobrekla;wait isnt bitfinex just passing orders through 484632;1391670130;Namworld;So all margins, trades, etc are derping hard 484633;1391670131;kakobrekla;bah im outta power again 484634;1391670135;kakobrekla;mother fuckers 484635;1391670136;kakobrekla;later. 484636;1391670140;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Cex was always scam 484637;1391670143;Namworld;Awww... 484638;1391670156;kakobrekla;brb asap 484639;1391670169;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: ? what do you mean? i thought the GHs/BTC price was always destined to go down, not a scam simply as a function of the ROI on 1GHs 484640;1391670188;herbijudlestoids;i been watching it since it was 0.18 lol 484641;1391670198;herbijudlestoids;if only you could short it 484642;1391670202;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9267 @ 0.00082189 = 7.6165 BTC [-] 484643;1391670205;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: scam on the Doge/Itallian style 484644;1391670244;herbijudlestoids;in the sense of, its not a good investment to put money into versus just holding BTC? 484645;1391670266;herbijudlestoids;sorry, im retarded 484646;1391670273;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: As in btter answer in 40 mins 484647;1391670284;herbijudlestoids;you gotta explain things real slow for retards 484648;1391670341;Mats_cd03;hes as clueless about what that means as you are 484649;1391670384;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 484650;1391670420;Mats_cd03;if his english wasnt inconsistently shite id wonder if BingoBoingo was an AI 484651;1391670545;herbijudlestoids;https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/02/eff-challenges-new-jersey-subpoena-issued-mit-student-bitcoin-developers 484652;1391670546;ozbot;EFF Challenges New Jersey Subpoena Issued to MIT Student Bitcoin Developers | Electronic Frontier Fo 484653;1391670567;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 500 @ 0.00172845 = 0.8642 BTC [-] 484654;1391670616;herbijudlestoids;lol this is a pretty hilarious article 484655;1391670634;jayk;BingoBoingo 484656;1391670635;herbijudlestoids;"We explained to the New Jersey Attorney General that Tidbit's code as configured was incapable of mining for Bitcoins, meaning it could not provide much of the information requested in the subpoena. Plus, New Jersey had no jurisdiction to issue a subpoena to Rubin, who lived in Massachusetts, or Tidbit, which had no connections to New Jersey at all; the server housing the code is not located in New Jersey and Tid 484657;1391670661;jayk;http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/2/4/5380284/richard-sherman-violently-owns-a-troll-on-twitter-with-lombardi-trophy 484658;1391670662;ozbot;Richard Sherman violently owns a troll on Twitter with Lombardi Trophy - SBNation.com 484659;1391670662;jayk;lol 484660;1391670673;jayk;he lost his twitter account ha ha 484661;1391670975;BingoBoingo;Mats_cd03 Nikkers 484662;1391670983;KRS-One;Major bitfinex fuckup 484663;1391670987;KRS-One;Trading halted 484664;1391671005;herbijudlestoids;KRS-One: scroll up namworld has some screenshots and a small amt info 484665;1391671006;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: Which fuckup counts nao? 484666;1391671031;Namworld;Old news, KRS 484667;1391671115;jayk;oh 484668;1391671116;benkay;Namworld herbijudlestoids how do we profit off of all this incompetence? 484669;1391671132;kakobrekla;that was fast. 484670;1391671135;Namworld;You apparently can't, benkay 484671;1391671146;kakobrekla;hehe 484672;1391671168;BingoBoingo;benkay: Looks like Richard sherman could use a few BJ's 484673;1391671185;benkay;buh kill ring 484674;1391671200;jayk;poor sherman 484675;1391671209;jayk;he's probably celebrated out 484676;1391671243;KRS-One;holy shits 484677;1391671246;KRS-One;this is messed up 484678;1391671250;BingoBoingo;jayk: He still kept Dever from going long all game. Dunno how a cornerback could be better, He owned that shit. 484679;1391671272;KRS-One;I shorted almost 1000 LTC since amost $21..now its what, $14? 484680;1391671273;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: What scammed you nao? Doge? 484681;1391671273;jayk;they didn't talk about him though i was surprised 484682;1391671282;kakobrekla;how is it messed up, they have nice css 484683;1391671286;KRS-One;BingoBoingo: I only touch BTC/LTC. 484684;1391671304;BingoBoingo;jayk: The didn't need because he was good. 484685;1391671337;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: If you touch LTC Goat touches you... at night... quietly... 484686;1391671347;kakobrekla;haha 484687;1391671364;KRS-One;Just my f'n luck..wonder if I'll wake up and LTC is $22 484688;1391671398;jayk;i should add a section to wiki with bold text face Peyten's Fumble 484689;1391671421;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 63 @ 0.4987529 = 31.4214 BTC [+] {4} 484690;1391671424;BingoBoingo;jayk: No reason, was a boring game 484691;1391671427;KRS-One;and yet tweens are doubling, tripling their money on cryptsy of all exchanges with "doggie" coin and I got thousands sitting here I cant touch. 484692;1391671436;jayk;it'll be in the reels though in future games and bloopers 484693;1391671445;jayk;He'll be known for this forever. 484694;1391671465;jayk;at the store today i talked about it with complete strangers 484695;1391671499;BingoBoingo;Some Nigga post this to Slashdot then we vote it immortal http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/02/04/memes-go-meta-altcoin-unveiled-this-past-weekend/#more-611 484696;1391671529;BingoBoingo;'Cous Somalia 484697;1391671536;Namworld;Well one user posted this earlier: http://i.imgur.com/LdXwDlM.png 484698;1391671543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2910 @ 0.00082988 = 2.415 BTC [+] 484699;1391671545;Namworld;It's a good condensed explanation. 484700;1391671561;Namworld;They say a picture is worth a thousand word after all. 484701;1391671583;BingoBoingo;Namworld: I will still loan for your tumor and revenge as collateral. 484702;1391671607;BingoBoingo;Goat kind of ruined the market though with the scam lambo 484703;1391671709;Namworld;Tumor and revenge as collateral? 484704;1391671715;Namworld;What? 484705;1391671772;benkay;scam lambo? what? 484706;1391671792;BingoBoingo;Namworld: I'll give you that roughly 300 btc if you can perfectly surgically extract a lobe of your lung. Remember. Nao ignore. DO better or be a bit hobo. 484707;1391671812;BingoBoingo;benkay: GOat's lambo. Made of pure filtered scam. 484708;1391671828;benkay;in that paid for with scam or doctored photos? 484709;1391671847;BingoBoingo;Goat is maybe 3 degrees warmer than thermos. 484710;1391671859;BingoBoingo;Goat is such scam. 484711;1391671941;BingoBoingo;I am glad I dun let drunk me know cold storage addresses because 12 years a Goat would get an Oscar. 484712;1391671958;herbijudlestoids;uh oh 484713;1391671974;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo did you put another bottle of vodka in ur butt again 484714;1391672003;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Doesn't matter I am 30 miles from the nearest person with the right to care. 484715;1391672047;BingoBoingo;Also I take my vodka in the mouth. And I regret that traitorous Kentucky existed. 484716;1391672052;Namworld;http://bitcoinity.org/markets/bitfinex/USD 484717;1391672054;ozbot;bitcoinity.org/markets 484718;1391672069;Namworld;Courtesy lolcode 484719;1391672084;BingoBoingo;Namworld: Was nevar a thing 484720;1391672103;Namworld;Bitfinex had a brain fart. 484721;1391672115;herbijudlestoids;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-05/argentine-banking-system-archives-destroyed-deadly-fire 484722;1391672117;ozbot;Argentine Banking System Archives Destroyed By Deadly Fire | Zero Hedge 484723;1391672150;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Ain't deadly with a body count 484724;1391672176;Namworld;That zerohedge article... it's gonna be good... in a sad sad way. I can feel it. 484725;1391672224;BingoBoingo;Namworld: Zeroedge is worse than Business insider, except they can know it. 484726;1391672270;benkay;wow they actually murdered people to cover up the bank malfeasance 484727;1391672277;BingoBoingo;Does Open Genera need money? Who would donate to tit? 484728;1391672306;BingoBoingo;benkay: Does cause 'Murica sound familar? 484729;1391672316;Namworld;https://www.bitstamp.net/market/order_book/ 484730;1391672321;ozbot;Order book - Bitstamp 484731;1391672328;Namworld;Well I haven't seen such an orderbook in a while. 484732;1391672405;BingoBoingo;Namworld: mandingo fight? 484733;1391672458;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12 BTC [-] 484734;1391672461;BingoBoingo;I have like, never wanted to enter a three month coma before like ever in my short ass life. 484735;1391672482;BingoBoingo;I blame the Cipher Anglo Trannie 484736;1391672494;BingoBoingo;For promoting scams 484737;1391672521;Namworld;What are you talking about? I don't have a clue what all you're saying is supposed to be about. 484738;1391672538;BingoBoingo;Namworld: Forum less, read moar. 484739;1391672555;Namworld;I barely use the forum. 484740;1391672583;BingoBoingo;Namworld: At least start with Aristotle's physics. That makes Altcoins special kind of purty. 484741;1391672701;BingoBoingo;I doubt I could hate White people more than BTC pushes me to. 484742;1391672746;BingoBoingo;I'd hate green people moar, but 484743;1391672896;Namworld;Are you on drugs right now? Each line seems either incoherent or unrelated to the previous one, more or less. 484744;1391672985;herbijudlestoids;is there any demand for physical wallets? 484745;1391672987;BingoBoingo;Namworld: Each next line seems more coherent than your last. Am I beating you on some sort on glacier sense olympics? 484746;1391672993;herbijudlestoids;cold storage wallets i mean 484747;1391673002;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Quite a bit for good ones 484748;1391673016;BingoBoingo;A lot of business there 484749;1391673028;herbijudlestoids;cos i was just looking at the coldcoins website cache, they were doing 5 for 50USD, laser engraved steel of BIP38 encrypted wallets 484750;1391673040;herbijudlestoids;and they closed down, citing not enough demand 484751;1391673083;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: what constitutes a good one? 484752;1391673088;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Maybe their product was wrong? 484753;1391673093;jayk;christina o 484754;1391673099;benkay;business model, likely. 484755;1391673112;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Find what makes a good cold wallet? 484756;1391673112;benkay;you're not going to run a fab shop on wallets. 484757;1391673124;benkay;wallets might make a nice revenue stream for a fab shop, however. 484758;1391673131;BingoBoingo;^^ 484759;1391673138;herbijudlestoids;but a steel engraving machine only costs 700AUD? 484760;1391673151;benkay;subtle distinction that these programmerrers will never get. 484761;1391673168;benkay;well you gotta operate it, keep lights on, run a business you know. 484762;1391673297;benkay;business as waterwheel; water must flow. business must come through the operation. if business is a whole bunch of metalworking work, then wallets can be a small fraction of the biz and still work. if biz throughput is just wallet engravings, well, that sustains a much smaller operation. 484763;1391673312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00082531 = 13.4113 BTC [-] 484764;1391673678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MG] 1000 @ 0.0001001 = 0.1001 BTC [-] 484765;1391673922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MG] 1900 @ 0.00010001 = 0.19 BTC [-] 484766;1391673922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 220 @ 0.00082687 = 0.1819 BTC [+] 484767;1391674227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.000107 = 0.535 BTC [-] 484768;1391674292;herbijudlestoids;^ portfolio trade 484769;1391674341;benkay;missing bbet 484770;1391674384;benkay;who buys mg and not bbet? one throws off divs. 484771;1391674390;BingoBoingo;worse benkay 484772;1391674410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 600 @ 0.00082687 = 0.4961 BTC [+] 484773;1391674466;BingoBoingo;benkay: Mircea likes gurls who do BBEt math 484774;1391674627;benkay;BingoBoingo you ain't makin no sense no mo 484775;1391674725;BingoBoingo;Depends. Am I niggers.txt or nigger.cl 484776;1391674959;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 110 @ 0.00447453 = 0.4922 BTC [-] {5} 484777;1391674963;BingoBoingo;benkay: What can Yogi handle? Oh Lord Jesus its a fire? Fuck no! 484778;1391675203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28180 @ 0.00082687 = 23.3012 BTC [+] 484779;1391675498;BingoBoingo;Who shorted functional gardens though... 484780;1391675508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00082613 = 14.4573 BTC [-] {2} 484781;1391675569;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2897 @ 0.00078874 = 2.285 BTC [-] {17} 484782;1391675630;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1825 @ 0.00065221 = 1.1903 BTC [-] {8} 484783;1391675691;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1446 @ 0.00012937 = 0.1871 BTC [+] {2} 484784;1391675813;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4373 @ 0.00051933 = 2.271 BTC [-] {17} 484785;1391675814;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.1245 = 1.245 BTC [+] {2} 484786;1391675935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12340 @ 0.00082988 = 10.2407 BTC [+] 484787;1391676069;Mats_cd03;I want to use amazon to move all my non furniture shit across the country 484788;1391676095;Mats_cd03;Why is moving still so expensive? Jesus 484789;1391676120;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00083282 = 16.9479 BTC [+] 484790;1391676179;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+] 484791;1391676181;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1015 @ 0.00080063 = 0.8126 BTC [+] {2} 484792;1391676294;Mats_cd03;Also ozbot needs a voteban command 484793;1391676423;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 484794;1391676972;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52839998 BTC [+] 484795;1391677399;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1087 @ 0.0001293 = 0.1405 BTC [-] 484796;1391677760;cazalla;i always found moving cheap 484797;1391677776;cazalla;but then i only needed to move a desktop + clothes until i bought a home 484798;1391678131;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 207 @ 0.00072513 = 0.1501 BTC [-] {4} 484799;1391679229;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 286 @ 0.0007 = 0.2002 BTC [-] 484800;1391679594;Rick_;hi 484801;1391679632;Rick_;Mircea is here? 484802;1391679717;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 895 @ 0.00012939 = 0.1158 BTC [+] {2} 484803;1391679961;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 484804;1391680144;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] 484805;1391680327;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00084336 = 32.0477 BTC [+] 484806;1391680327;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-] 484807;1391680693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-] 484808;1391680694;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [-] 484809;1391680754;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] 484810;1391680755;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-] 484811;1391680825;herbijudlestoids;http://imgur.com/gallery/nb8fK 484812;1391680855;ozbot;Athletes and journalists start to check into Sochi. - Imgur 484813;1391680998;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] 484814;1391681242;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-] 484815;1391681364;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.0004137 = 0.2069 BTC [-] {6} 484816;1391681426;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012302 = 0.123 BTC [-] {9} 484817;1391681486;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 200 @ 0.00434141 = 0.8683 BTC [-] {11} 484818;1391681669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00084864 = 18.9247 BTC [+] 484819;1391682401;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [-] 484820;1391682452;grazs;lifestyle journalists who are spoiled brats, refreshing 484821;1391683621;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.12 = 0.72 BTC [-] 484822;1391683804;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-] 484823;1391683987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.12 = 1.2 BTC [-] {2} 484824;1391684536;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04909987 = 0.2455 BTC [+] 484825;1391687525;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] 484826;1391687586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.0008588 = 7.0851 BTC [+] 484827;1391688257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00085437 = 25.1185 BTC [-] {2} 484828;1391688298;ThickAsThieves;Current transaction count: 4,819; stuck transaction outputs: 55,546.70 BTC (as of Feb 06 2014 12:03:21 UTC) 484829;1391688507;kakobrekla;gox? 484830;1391688600;truffles;ruined my 1st car yay 484831;1391688684;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.500101 BTC [-] 484832;1391688806;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.49717171 = 3.4802 BTC [-] {4} 484833;1391689050;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.06846306 = 0.89 BTC [-] {10} 484834;1391689062;truffles;hi Chaaang-Noi 484835;1391689157;ThickAsThieves;yep gox 484836;1391689172;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.05872727 = 0.646 BTC [-] {4} 484837;1391689233;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.000795 = 0.2385 BTC [-] 484838;1391689266;ThickAsThieves;http://coinsight.org/mtgox.html 484839;1391689267;ozbot;Mt.Gox Withdrawals - Coinsight.org 484840;1391689295;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 630 @ 0.0008 = 0.504 BTC [+] 484841;1391689355;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 203 @ 0.00084288 = 0.1711 BTC [+] 484842;1391690283;ThickAsThieves;MaxCoin, the new crypto currency founded by Max Keiser will launch on February 5 and it has a good chance of crossing $20 million in market cap its first month of mining. 484843;1391690283;ThickAsThieves;With over 88 altcoins listed on Coin Market Cap, it’s getting tougher to find the winners, but MaxCoin really stands out and here is why. 484844;1391690283;ThickAsThieves;Read more at http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/02/maxcoin-the-next-altcoin-to-hit-20-million/#GWVehdKiqz68FXee.99 484845;1391690297;ThickAsThieves;MaxKeiserTV has 39K subscribers. His “personal” twitter handle has close to 91K followers and the Maxcoin “official” twitter handle has 4.2K followers. Pretty impressive for a coin that hasn’t launched yet! 484846;1391690297;ThickAsThieves;Read more at http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/02/maxcoin-the-next-altcoin-to-hit-20-million/#GWVehdKiqz68FXee.99 484847;1391690307;ThickAsThieves;fukn autolinks 484848;1391690335;ThickAsThieves;MaxCoin’s mining difficulty will be retargeted using the kimoto gravity well algorithm. Recently, the Dogecoin developers have been thinking of retargeting this way as well 484849;1391690356;kakobrekla;algorhitmic dorra dorra bills yo 484850;1391690575;ThickAsThieves;https://twitter.com/TheRealAltcoin/status/431407548210483200 484851;1391690576;ozbot;Twitter / TheRealAltcoin: @maxkeiser @KeiserReport ... 484852;1391691063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.00085692 = 14.6962 BTC [+] 484853;1391691063;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7150 @ 0.00012975 = 0.9277 BTC [+] {9} 484854;1391691246;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 325 @ 0.003 = 0.975 BTC [+] 484855;1391691490;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 175 @ 0.003 = 0.525 BTC [+] 484856;1391691978;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.00012987 = 0.5195 BTC [+] {2} 484857;1391692277;truffles;keisercoin sounds cooler imo 484858;1391692350;truffles;sounds close ro kaiser 484859;1391692350;ThickAsThieves;do you even mine? 484860;1391692360;truffles;i dont even alt no 484861;1391692437;truffles;i was optimistic about the coins now after seeing it unfold ive gone cynic 484862;1391692466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00085791 = 19.2172 BTC [+] {2} 484863;1391693260;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12799999 BTC [+] 484864;1391693463;grazs;he's a tool 484865;1391694113;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.128 BTC [+] 484866;1391694175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.00085412 = 30.2358 BTC [-] {3} 484867;1391694235;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4518 @ 0.00012201 = 0.5512 BTC [-] {4} 484868;1391694601;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1916 @ 0.00011903 = 0.2281 BTC [-] {2} 484869;1391695272;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52826801 BTC [+] 484870;1391695333;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52827001 = 1.0565 BTC [+] {2} 484871;1391695394;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.52826894 = 8.9806 BTC [-] {3} 484872;1391695455;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52839898 = 1.0568 BTC [+] {2} 484873;1391695456;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 484874;1391695516;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.52839899 = 2.642 BTC [+] 484875;1391695577;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29312 @ 0.00085386 = 25.0283 BTC [-] 484876;1391695599;KRS-One;delusions of self importance 484877;1391695629;truffles;just about everyone :p 484878;1391695640;KRS-One;everyone what? 484879;1391695658;truffles;thinks highly of self 484880;1391695679;KRS-One;not those who have been humbled.. 484881;1391695691;KRS-One;might even take a few times.. 484882;1391695696;truffles;ya 484883;1391695710;KRS-One;I think everyone needs to be put to that test. 484884;1391695717;KRS-One;World might even be a better place. 484885;1391695725;KRS-One;And with more bait, of course. 484886;1391695726;KRS-One;.bait 484887;1391695728;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m179qrVkVE1r2ytgyo1_1280.jpg 484888;1391695735;KRS-One;:O 484889;1391695744;truffles;id start with something else, like empathy 484890;1391695745;KRS-One;that ones like..BAM 484891;1391695766;truffles;booooobs 484892;1391695791;truffles;why is the lower region on display, is that like appealing? 484893;1391695791;KRS-One;those breastestes look down right uncomfortable. 484894;1391695804;KRS-One;truffles: not even 484895;1391695844;truffles;im sure there are some who enjoy that.. 484896;1391695858;KRS-One;she better not travel quickly though any areas of great pressure difference or there could be a big ole mess. 484897;1391695860;truffles;face not even important enough .. 484898;1391695902;truffles;tv show had woman fall from respectable height into water, massive boobs popped heh 484899;1391695916;KRS-One;Nothing special at all..kind of beavis like... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJrq00ICMAEL96k.jpg 484900;1391695929;KRS-One;Yeah! I heard abou tthat. 484901;1391695943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00085461 = 19.656 BTC [+] 484902;1391695946;KRS-One;and the one bitch on the airplane. 484903;1391695968;KRS-One;Could you imagine getting some of the fallout on you?? I'd be scared for life. 484904;1391695983;truffles;dunno if we're on the same ppl, but doubt they consider that when purchasing 484905;1391696000;ThickAsThieves;Altcoin Update: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4973367#msg4973367 484906;1391696017;truffles;u mean the person who bought or random? 484907;1391696031;KRS-One;ThickAsThieves: This was just for the lulz right? 484908;1391696047;truffles;silicone feels nice afaik 484909;1391696058;KRS-One;Is it traded on any exchanges yet? 484910;1391696058;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves did you ever get the code ? 484911;1391696065;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04909987 = 0.2455 BTC [+] 484912;1391696077;ThickAsThieves;no 484913;1391696094;ThickAsThieves;i'm still crossing my fingers pankakke can help or it magically appears 484914;1391696105;ThickAsThieves;otherwise i guess i'll post bounties to strangers 484915;1391696120;mircea_popescu;da fuck is matt doing. 484916;1391696134;truffles;"Fight the fight, sing the song" hehe 484917;1391696196;ThickAsThieves; ThickAsThieves: This was just for the lulz right? << as much as anything in life 484918;1391696212;truffles;haha 484919;1391696238;mircea_popescu;depends on whose life. 484920;1391696241;mircea_popescu;lyfe* 484921;1391696248;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04909986 = 0.1473 BTC [-] 484922;1391696268;ThickAsThieves;all values are dynamic, you taught me that 484923;1391696309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00085557 = 24.2982 BTC [+] 484924;1391696310;truffles;even honey badger name drops hmm 484925;1391696326;mircea_popescu;if doge had the sense to start all addresses with Derp 484926;1391696337;Duffer1;hehe 484927;1391696338;mircea_popescu;then the association of herpetologist s could have made herpcoin 484928;1391696346;mircea_popescu;and we could have had herpderp altcoin wars 484929;1391696380;mircea_popescu;people. no strategic lulzforesight at all. 484930;1391696385;truffles;dodge envy itc 484931;1391696386;dexX7;http://www.cfr.org/economics/voices-next-generation-gavin-andresen-bitcoin/p32339 484932;1391696512;truffles;TAT what happens when some random noob gets pissed at u 484933;1391696529;ThickAsThieves;depends 484934;1391696533;Duffer1;who would get mad at tat? 484935;1391696546;truffles;me? 484936;1391696555;Apocalyptic;someone who bought X-BOND above the buyback price ? 484937;1391696566;Duffer1;hehe 484938;1391696568;ThickAsThieves;i can think of more 484939;1391696569;ThickAsThieves;hehe 484940;1391696602;ThickAsThieves;i'll either handle it, or i won't, or the crowd will 484941;1391696616;truffles;Apocalyptic have u played BingoBoingo yet? 484942;1391696633;Apocalyptic;yeah, was a one time thing though 484943;1391696637;truffles;im unhappy with the win loss ratio 484944;1391696643;truffles;why 484945;1391696653;ThickAsThieves;gavin hes lego hair 484946;1391696655;ThickAsThieves;has* 484947;1391696666;truffles;was he snail pace? 484948;1391696673;Apocalyptic;we call it playmobil hair here 484949;1391696687;ThickAsThieves;hehe 484950;1391696714;truffles;yes no??? 484951;1391696736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34050 @ 0.00085406 = 29.0807 BTC [-] {4} 484952;1391696843;PsychoticBoy_;all assets are crap and virtual 484953;1391696852;PsychoticBoy_;not backed by anything but air 484954;1391696852;ThickAsThieves;is keiser promoting maxcoin legal? i mean it's like 99% ponzi no? 484955;1391696863;PsychoticBoy_;whole MPex for example 484956;1391696879;PsychoticBoy_;ppl still buying that degrading shit 484957;1391696881;ThickAsThieves;you were asking who gets mad at TAT? 484958;1391696885;ThickAsThieves;enter PBoy 484959;1391696888;PsychoticBoy_;no I am not mad 484960;1391696907;truffles;Usao Scoin 484961;1391696907;truffles;TERRORISTS USE BTC, SHUT IT DOWN 484962;1391696923;Apocalyptic;u mad bro ? 484963;1391696930;PsychoticBoy_;yup and the bigest terrorist is the USA 484964;1391696952;PsychoticBoy_;hopefully THEY get hat they deserve :) 484965;1391696954;PsychoticBoy_;f the usa 484966;1391696963;mircea_popescu;PsychoticBoy_ listen here, just because you ran a shit asset on the global scam exchange 484967;1391696965;PsychoticBoy_;come on Russia bomb USA 484968;1391696970;mircea_popescu;doesn't mean everyone's you. 484969;1391696974;PsychoticBoy_;lol 484970;1391696980;PsychoticBoy_;gypsy king is speaking 484971;1391696983;mircea_popescu;easiest thing to do this, i'm stupid so therefore the world's dumb. 484972;1391697011;mircea_popescu;and that "degrading shit", for your information, has been here while you've been taking your goat sabbatical 484973;1391697021;PsychoticBoy_;goat? 484974;1391697022;mircea_popescu;"o herpderp i take a year off come back everyone forgot everything" 484975;1391697025;PsychoticBoy_;fuck goat 484976;1391697031;PsychoticBoy_;the scamming thai bitch 484977;1391697034;mircea_popescu;i can't distinguish between you glbse set. 484978;1391697042;mircea_popescu;but anyway. got shit to do so, later. 484979;1391697043;truffles;Goat is scammer? 484980;1391697051;truffles;:( 484981;1391697053;PsychoticBoy_;uhhh you did not know 484982;1391697057;PsychoticBoy_;lol 484983;1391697063;Apocalyptic;goat ran pirate's PT 484984;1391697077;truffles;PT? 484985;1391697079;truffles;link? 484986;1391697081;Duffer1;passthrough 484987;1391697082;Apocalyptic;passthrough 484988;1391697097;Apocalyptic;link ? check the forums, it's common knowledge here 484989;1391697108;PsychoticBoy_;chaaang noi is banned at most places 484990;1391697128;PsychoticBoy_;changes his name every day on bitcointalk 484991;1391697134;PsychoticBoy_;says enough 484992;1391697149;ThickAsThieves;how many days between when you change names? 484993;1391697161;PsychoticBoy_;I? 484994;1391697166;truffles;well thats disappointing 484995;1391697185;PsychoticBoy_;I do not change name because I am a very very reputable member of this community :) 484996;1391697193;PsychoticBoy_;unlike others 484997;1391697211;PsychoticBoy_;many know me personal 484998;1391697217;Duffer1;;;gpg info psychoticboy_ 484999;1391697217;gribble;No such user registered. 485000;1391697222;PsychoticBoy_;like all people on conferences 485001;1391697285;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04800001 = 0.288 BTC [-] {2} 485002;1391697595;ThickAsThieves;did you go to the Amsterdam one? 485003;1391697651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7294 @ 0.00085309 = 6.2224 BTC [-] 485004;1391698444;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C155T] 20 @ 0.00792262 = 0.1585 BTC [-] 485005;1391698444;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50025452 BTC [-] 485006;1391698567;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.128 BTC [+] 485007;1391698810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27756 @ 0.00085494 = 23.7297 BTC [+] {2} 485008;1391698927;PsychoticBoy_;yes I was at the Amsterdam con 485009;1391698932;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 67 @ 0.00339001 = 0.2271 BTC [+] 485010;1391698955;PsychoticBoy_;45 min drive so it was around the corner 485011;1391699114;ThickAsThieves;maybe we met 485012;1391699115;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04909984 = 0.1964 BTC [+] {2} 485013;1391699237;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19454 @ 0.00085851 = 16.7015 BTC [+] 485014;1391699420;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.54104998 = 4.3284 BTC [+] {6} 485015;1391699603;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.128 = 1.28 BTC [+] {2} 485016;1391699664;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.129 = 0.645 BTC [+] 485017;1391699725;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.075 = 0.975 BTC [-] 485018;1391700701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00086017 = 15.397 BTC [+] {2} 485019;1391700884;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.04909986 = 0.3928 BTC [+] 485020;1391700885;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.130001 BTC [+] 485021;1391700890;Chaaang-Noi;hi truffles was sleeping :)\ 485022;1391701319;mike_c;;;bc,24hprc 485023;1391701320;gribble;813.68 485024;1391701341;mike_c;this is the real problem with not announcing option excercies. we don't get to watch the drama unfold :) 485025;1391701368;mike_c;i bet the option whale is having a bad day. 485026;1391701499;pankkake;I thought they were at the end of the month? 485027;1391701540;kakobrekla;cheaper today 485028;1391701556;pankkake;oh 485029;1391701566;pankkake;lol, it looks like the only way to change your havelock password is to do "forgot password" 485030;1391701611;mike_c;;;calc ((500/813) - .1) - .4879146 485031;1391701611;gribble;0.0270915500615 485032;1391701638;mike_c;whale sold the puts, so mpoe could excercise for a mpex profit today 485033;1391701982;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 300 @ 0.04967205 = 14.9016 BTC [+] {12} 485034;1391702531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14774 @ 0.00086697 = 12.8086 BTC [+] 485035;1391702653;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 424 @ 0.00302 = 1.2805 BTC [+] 485036;1391703202;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00480099 = 0.1008 BTC [+] 485037;1391703263;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.0030469 = 0.9141 BTC [+] 485038;1391703751;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1498 @ 0.00304689 = 4.5642 BTC [-] 485039;1391704051;Duffer1;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/new-lawsuit-against-bitcoin-miner-manufacturer-alleges-fraud-negligence/ 485040;1391704051;ozbot;New lawsuit against Bitcoin miner manufacturer alleges fraud, negligence | Ars Technica 485041;1391704054;Duffer1;it's about time 485042;1391704239;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0030469 = 0.6094 BTC [+] 485043;1391704300;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2645 @ 0.00307646 = 8.1372 BTC [+] {10} 485044;1391704422;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2655 @ 0.00305301 = 8.1057 BTC [-] {5} 485045;1391704672;pankkake;"One of the world’s most mysterious Bitcoin-related companies" lol 485046;1391705093;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00487092 = 0.9742 BTC [+] {8} 485047;1391705253;nubbins`;hi 485048;1391705272;nubbins`;so it seems the inturnet is really upset about apple pulling blockchain.info from the app store, hey? 485049;1391705520;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 94 @ 0.005 = 0.47 BTC 485050;1391705575;ThickAsThieves;indeed 485051;1391705607;ThickAsThieves;god forbid Apple has a good reason 485052;1391705643;pankkake;I'm surprised it was allowed in the first place 485053;1391705649;nubbins`;but, but, i disagree with their reason 485054;1391705664;nubbins`;pankkake, the only reason it got in there in the first place was a sneak attack 485055;1391705702;kakobrekla;how so? 485056;1391705709;pankkake;introduce the app without X features, then introduce the features? 485057;1391705716;pankkake;that never works with Apple 485058;1391705761;pankkake;by the way, they don't even have to provide a reason for refusals :))) 485059;1391706089;ThickAsThieves;accepting bitcoin is the new "IPO" http://bitcoinmagazine.com/9945/favorite-team-accept-bitcoin/ 485060;1391706121;ThickAsThieves;Overstock and Tigerdirect etc get a few extra hundred thousand and fade away 485061;1391706127;Duffer1;i accept bitcoin 485062;1391706130;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.76834323 BTC to 801 shares, 95923 satoshi per share 485063;1391706132;Duffer1;and lambos 485064;1391706133;pankkake;well, they deliver, at least 485065;1391706139;ThickAsThieves;indeed 485066;1391706145;pankkake;IPO was getting a lot of coins without accountability 485067;1391706179;pankkake;if accepting bitcoins means a lot of publicity and sales, that's not bad :) 485068;1391706293;pankkake;are lambos a good store of value? 485069;1391706321;nubbins`;heh 485070;1391706324;Duffer1;i have yet to receive one, i'll let you know if that happens 485071;1391706334;pankkake;I'm waiting for http://www.lamboparity.com/ 485072;1391706336;nubbins`;pankkake: the wallet features were hidden by default 485073;1391706343;pankkake;lol hidden 485074;1391706348;nubbins`;yeah 485075;1391706353;nubbins`;you had to open a blockchain account 485076;1391706356;pankkake;reminds me of the flash light app that had a secret feature 485077;1391706358;nubbins`;via web 485078;1391706373;nubbins`;then some sort of thing like keep the account open for 2 weeks 485079;1391706374;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 212 @ 0.005 = 1.06 BTC 485080;1391706382;pankkake;interestingly, apple does not review the code of the app 485081;1391706392;pankkake;so you can sneak things… but usually not for long 485082;1391706394;nubbins`;then open the iphone app via the same ip address that you've previously logged in with on the website 485083;1391706406;pankkake;lol 485084;1391706409;pankkake;amazing 485085;1391706409;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 485086;1391706413;nubbins`;yeah 485087;1391706416;nubbins`;it was a real fuckaround 485088;1391706423;nubbins`;but they flew under the radar for years 485089;1391706448;kakobrekla;lol 485090;1391706465;pankkake;and in the same way, you can sneak malware. rendering the whole thing "for your protection" a lie 485091;1391706467;nubbins`;in practice, this made the app really unreliable when on the go 485092;1391706475;nubbins`;they do automatic code reviews 485093;1391706477;nubbins`;no manual tho 485094;1391706491;nubbins`;unless there's a problem suspected 485095;1391706497;diametric;automatic code reviews.. what a joke 485096;1391706503;nubbins`;i agree 485097;1391706512;nubbins`;it's more for catching bugs than anything 485098;1391706517;nubbins`;mem leaks etc 485099;1391706620;ThickAsThieves;http://www.coindesk.com/inc-5000-entrepreneur-buys-bitcoinwallet-com-domain-for-250k/ 485100;1391706659;pankkake;he probably doesn't know any respectable bitcoin service ends in .io 485101;1391706954;nubbins`;heh 485102;1391706984;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.12997221 = 1.0398 BTC [-] {4} 485103;1391706989;nubbins`;anyway, on a related note, xcode comes with some great code analysis tools 485104;1391707037;nubbins`;the IDE itself isn't the greatest, and Interface Builder is pretty derpy 485105;1391707045;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.130001 BTC [+] 485106;1391707046;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.0047894 = 0.1149 BTC [-] 485107;1391707061;nubbins`;but the code analysis features are top-notch 485108;1391707251;pankkake;powered by llvm? 485109;1391707576;asciilifeform;nubbins`: last i checked, those were just a thin gui skin on top of gdb and gprof. 485110;1391707597;nubbins`;pankkake, osx does use llvm-gcc 485111;1391707610;nubbins`;asciilifeform: could be, i never dug under the skin too much 485112;1391707637;nubbins`;afaik the whole thing is based on gnu tools tho 485113;1391707683;asciilifeform;well, Next's perverted gcc fork, anyway. 485114;1391707694;nubbins`;nod 485115;1391707709;nubbins`;this caused problems when trying to compile the last eulora release for osx 485116;1391707721;nubbins`;terrible, terrible problems 485117;1391707757;asciilifeform;apple died in '99. 485118;1391707769;asciilifeform;replaced by Next. (with name changed to 'apple') 485119;1391707779;nubbins`;nod 485120;1391707785;nubbins`;even the objects show relics of this 485121;1391707789;BingoBoingo;Apple died in 1984 replaced by Macintosh 485122;1391707792;nubbins`;NSString, etc 485123;1391707811;nubbins`;btw, objective-c is a brutal language to comprehend 485124;1391707838;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-] 485125;1391707842;BingoBoingo;Well, not entirely until about 89, but it was on its way 485126;1391707844;nubbins`;took me the better part of 2 months just to decipher method calls 485127;1391707878;nubbins`;nothing shows a more callous disregard for developers than code relics 485128;1391707886;nubbins`;sharepoint was brutal for this 485129;1391707899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.00086805 = 28.2116 BTC [+] {2} 485130;1391707905;nubbins`;first they misappropropriated all these common words like "site" and "web" and "part" 485131;1391707923;nubbins`;then in one major release, they reassigned the names to different things 485132;1391707931;nubbins`;what was once called a site is now a web, etc 485133;1391707940;nubbins`;but all the old class names remained the same 485134;1391707952;nubbins`;so Web w = new Web(); creates a new Site, etc 485135;1391707959;nubbins`;it's enough to make you walk away 485136;1391707960;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00012909 = 0.6455 BTC [+] {9} 485137;1391708021;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.00012985 = 0.7791 BTC [+] {5} 485138;1391708055;asciilifeform;in the '90s, i never imagined i'd miss the 'old apple' 485139;1391708065;nubbins`;old apple was before my time 485140;1391708101;nubbins`;hackintosh in '08 was my first non-casual exposure 485141;1391708107;asciilifeform;nubbins`: mostly - but not entirely - before my time: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568 485142;1391708143;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31465 @ 0.00086396 = 27.1845 BTC [-] {4} 485143;1391708209;nubbins`;ah, haha, this is like vb 485144;1391708227;nubbins`;or interface builder, to a lesser extent 485145;1391708259;asciilifeform;nubbins`: in exactly the same way that a junkyard full of bricks, roof tiles, etc. resembles a house. 485146;1391708268;pankkake;there'se a language where the keywords can be either French or English 485147;1391708283;nubbins`;hah 485148;1391708290;nubbins`;legos, even 485149;1391708362;nubbins`;anyway, good article 485150;1391708384;nubbins`;there's a steady push towards an apple device being a device of consumption rather than production 485151;1391708399;nubbins`;this has been pretty much perfected in iDevices 485152;1391708413;nubbins`;osx is slowly following suit 485153;1391708509;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] 485154;1391708549;ThickAsThieves;http://buttcoin.org/long-live-cryptic-urgencies watch neckbeards selftechmutilate 485155;1391708550;ozbot;Long Live Cryptic Urgencies - Buttcoin - The P2P crypto-currency for butts. - Buttcoin - It's Bitcoi 485156;1391708715;ThickAsThieves;all these guys smashed their phones cuz some reddite said he'd give out money to the first 5 people 485157;1391708720;ThickAsThieves;no wthe post is gone 485158;1391708736;Duffer1;didn't he escrow? 485159;1391708741;nubbins`;well ya know. 485160;1391708745;kakobrekla;so in a few days they will say "sry, you can has btc" 485161;1391708752;nubbins`;i'll send 100btc to everyone who smashes their dick with a hammer 485162;1391708753;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05610001 = 0.1122 BTC [-] 485163;1391708761;nubbins`;200btc if you upload it to redtube 485164;1391708764;kakobrekla;and fanbois will be "oh noes gotta get new iphone 5" 485165;1391708765;kakobrekla;apple makes more monies. 485166;1391708775;ThickAsThieves;lol 485167;1391708794;nubbins`;"know what'll hurt apple? if i smash my on-contract phone that they've already been paid for, in full" 485168;1391708806;kakobrekla;and then get a new one 485169;1391708819;Diablo-D3;nubbins`: lol 485170;1391708820;nubbins`;naw dude, they're totally going for a windows phone this time ;p 485171;1391708830;Diablo-D3;hurting apple doesnt even make sense 485172;1391708830;ThickAsThieves;itd hurt apple way more to sell it secondhand 485173;1391708839;Diablo-D3;its a fucking company 485174;1391708847;Diablo-D3;its not real 485175;1391708866;nubbins`;tat, the first video is already brutal 485176;1391708869;Diablo-D3;go focus on actually real shit like starving africans and chinese death camps 485177;1391708874;nubbins`;some wizard with a dart hangin out of his face 485178;1391708878;nubbins`;"this is not acceptable" 485179;1391708882;nubbins`;*smashes $700 phone* 485180;1391708898;dexX7; didn't he escrow? << he did 485181;1391708905;Diablo-D3;smashing a phone is basically telling the people who suffered in china to make it their lives have no meaning and they are dying in vain. 485182;1391708920;Diablo-D3;so, good job there. 485183;1391708923;Duffer1;oh hey dex, haven't seen you in irc in a while, stayin busy man? 485184;1391708923;ThickAsThieves;smash the chinese then? 485185;1391708925;pankkake;they should ask themselves why they bought it in the first place, and make their auto-critique 485186;1391708928;ThickAsThieves;i'm so confused 485187;1391708933;Diablo-D3;ThickAsThieves: I'd love to smash the chinese government 485188;1391708934;ThickAsThieves;what do i smash to get my way? 485189;1391708935;dexX7;hey :) yea, kinda 485190;1391708940;nubbins`;wait, he's going to strikeAAAAHHH 485191;1391708943;Diablo-D3;just wipe all those fucks off the face of the earth 485192;1391708958;kakobrekla;smash diablo 485193;1391708960;Diablo-D3;but it'd take the entirety of the western world to get rid of them 485194;1391708971;Diablo-D3;and I dont see our rich fucks going to war with their rich fucks any time soon 485195;1391708989;kakobrekla;maybe some ltc will fall out 485196;1391708994;ThickAsThieves;can we not turn this into the viability of world wars? 485197;1391708999;ThickAsThieves;thank you 485198;1391709006;Diablo-D3;ThickAsThieves: rich people wars are not real wars 485199;1391709011;Diablo-D3;they fight wars with cash, not dollars 485200;1391709013;Diablo-D3;er 485201;1391709016;Diablo-D3;cash not bullets 485202;1391709029;ThickAsThieves;agreed 485203;1391709068;nubbins`;man oh man 485204;1391709075;nubbins`;i'm actually a bit upset here 485205;1391709096;Duffer1;upset that no one has stepped forward to smash their dicks? 485206;1391709108;kakobrekla;smash the phone 485207;1391709117;ThickAsThieves;i'm so bad at Apple I refuse to reproduce! 485208;1391709290;Diablo-D3;*mad 485209;1391709335;nubbins`;Duffer1, upset at the stupidity of these retards 485210;1391709341;nubbins`;HULK SMASH 485211;1391709345;nubbins`;that'll show apple 485212;1391709485;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.003065 = 0.3065 BTC [-] 485213;1391709564;Duffer1;don't even worry about what retards do 485214;1391709588;Duffer1;that's PR's job 485215;1391709591;Duffer1;:P 485216;1391709669;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.1069323 = 0.2139 BTC [-] {2} 485217;1391709729;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.003065 = 0.3372 BTC [-] 485218;1391709998;nubbins`;heh 485219;1391710015;nubbins`;"really sending a message to apple here" 485220;1391710034;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 65 @ 0.005 = 0.325 BTC 485221;1391710043;nubbins`;tat had it right, if he really wanted to stick it to apple, he would have sold his phone ;p 485222;1391710087;nubbins`;this is like if that single dad who paid us $400 for a bespoke kid's book said "fuck pink eye" and put his book in the shredder 485223;1391710106;nubbins`;we'd say "yes, fuck us" while smoking his money 485224;1391710124;ThickAsThieves;"i'm going sprint down 300 yards and try and get this rifle on target as fast as possible" 485225;1391710131;ThickAsThieves;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuQZTAJ2KLk 485226;1391710131;ozbot;R3 Destroys anti bitcoin iPhone with a rifle in exchange for a Nexus 5 - YouTube 485227;1391710196;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=451897.msg4977641#msg4977641 485228;1391710199;ozbot;iPhone 5 phones destroyed in protest against Apple's anti-Bitcoin actions 485229;1391710213;asciilifeform;soviet version of the joke: 'man buys a ticket, rips it up and walks - to spite the trolley conductor.' 485230;1391710247;nubbins`;side note, what's with all these fucking idiots laying their phones on concrete and striking them with metal tools? 485231;1391710269;nubbins`;do they even eyes? 485232;1391710273;ThickAsThieves;metal tools are more organic 485233;1391710290;nubbins`;heh 485234;1391710309;nubbins`;srsly, the only part of these videos where i cringe is when i see a metal implement striking concrete 485235;1391710337;ThickAsThieves;when will someone put one in a microwave? 485236;1391710360;nubbins`;as soon as i finish submitting this post to reddit 485237;1391710375;nubbins`;lel, i kid ;( 485238;1391710393;ThickAsThieves;:() 485239;1391710400;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.49816901 = 24.9085 BTC [-] {16} 485240;1391710461;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.0047894 = 0.2012 BTC [-] 485241;1391710522;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 183 @ 0.00306469 = 0.5608 BTC [-] {2} 485242;1391710582;nubbins`;did i mention the problem i was having with my iphone the other day? 485243;1391710607;nubbins`;fuckin thing completely stopped charging, 9 days out of warranty 485244;1391710617;ThickAsThieves;you are charging it wrong 485245;1391710626;ThickAsThieves;"We have surveillance video from the hotels that shows people turn on the shower, direct the nozzle at the wall and then leave the room for the whole day," the official told members of the press, according to The Wall Street Journal. 485246;1391710626;ThickAsThieves;Kozak was attempting to argue that foreign journalists were biased against Russia and were intentionally working to paint the Sochi games as a disaster. But in the process, he may have just spooked everyone assigned hotel rooms to attend the games. 485247;1391710633;nubbins`;cajoled apple into fixing it for free, later realized that the bottom of the port had a bunch of impacted lint 485248;1391710644;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.00307801 = 0.2216 BTC [+] 485249;1391710646;nubbins`;so i guess i get a free box in the mail any day now ;p 485250;1391710665;ThickAsThieves;they let you keep the old one when replacing? 485251;1391710676;nubbins`;no, they mail you a box to return your broken phone in 485252;1391710681;ThickAsThieves;ah 485253;1391710700;nubbins`;literally an hour after i hung up, i scooped the lint out 485254;1391710705;nubbins`;works like a charm now 485255;1391710713;nubbins`;MAY SMASH IT ANYWAY TO SHOW THEM A LESSON 485256;1391710713;Duffer1;so they have video footage of peoples showers? 485257;1391710721;nubbins`;Duffer1, +1 heh 485258;1391710741;Duffer1;seems like a terrible thing to tell the press, but what do i know 485259;1391710758;ThickAsThieves;yep 485260;1391710766;Duffer1;didn't you get your phone replaced though nub? 485261;1391710766;ThickAsThieves;right in the shower head apparently 485262;1391710769;nubbins`;tat, got a link? 485263;1391710775;asciilifeform;someone should teach these folks about 'parallel construction.' 485264;1391710776;nubbins`;Duffer1, nah, have had this for just over a year 485265;1391710780;ThickAsThieves;http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/6/5386482/sochi-winter-olympics-video-surveillance-of-hotel-room-showers 485266;1391710781;ozbot;Russian official says government has video surveillance of Sochi hotel room showers | The Verge 485267;1391710794;Duffer1;what'r you waiting for then, free nexus 5 go 485268;1391710796;ThickAsThieves;wsj source 485269;1391710800;ThickAsThieves;http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304680904579366712107461956 485270;1391710801;ozbot;Russian Officials Fire Back at Olympic Critics - WSJ.com 485271;1391710837;ThickAsThieves;The Iron Shower Curtain 485272;1391710870;nubbins`;HAHAHAH 485273;1391710879;Duffer1;instantrimshot.com 485274;1391710997;benkay;http://www.coindesk.com/tea-merchant-coinbase-alternative-litecoin-processing/ 485275;1391711002;benkay;so basically it should be trivial for anyone to accept any altcoin 485276;1391711027;benkay;but running a full satoshi client for each chain is a little, ah, shall we say wasteful. 485277;1391711197;ThickAsThieves;dammit I need to get this Altcoin source going 485278;1391711229;benkay;what's the Altcoin magic value? 485279;1391711236;nubbins`;over 9000 485280;1391711247;benkay;also i know this is an oldlink but it still delivars chuckles: http://kimitsuassetmanagement.com/ 485281;1391711254;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 816 @ 0.003065 = 2.501 BTC [-] 485282;1391711275;nubbins`;so, anyone buying rentalstarter tomorrow? 485283;1391711277;ThickAsThieves;i think it has been between .00000300 and .00000100btc so far 485284;1391711325;benkay;ThickAsThieves: the "magic value" is a header in the protocol that identifies which network a client is a part of 485285;1391711350;ThickAsThieves;and what a client network? 485286;1391711352;ThickAsThieves;is 485287;1391711371;Duffer1;nubbins' if i had anything left - no i wouldn't 485288;1391711377;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-] 485289;1391711380;benkay;in this case network referring to the network of nodes broadcasting and verifying transactions 485290;1391711390;ThickAsThieves;is the same question as "do you have a dump of the genesis block?" 485291;1391711394;benkay;a client being the Satoshi implementation or bitcoinj or multibit w/e 485292;1391711395;benkay;no. 485293;1391711410;Duffer1;i like almost everything about it but I'm sure btc itself will do significantly better 485294;1391711432;ThickAsThieves;well it was made from coingen.io 485295;1391711438;benkay;magic value is a part of a header sent between nodes. genesis block is the root of the merkle tree. 485296;1391711442;ThickAsThieves;and i can get source for other coins made by them 485297;1391711469;benkay;if you had the source for alt you could ack "magic" and find it pretty quickly 485298;1391711500;ThickAsThieves;for my alt, or any alt made the from same codebase? 485299;1391711519;ThickAsThieves;my issue is the source code doesnt exist anymore 485300;1391711547;ThickAsThieves;and i am waiting on coingen to make an identical one so we can reverse create source for the orginal 485301;1391711554;nubbins`;Duffer1, +1 485302;1391711563;nubbins`;i don't see rental properties outperforming btc 485303;1391711564;ThickAsThieves;yes, my comprehension of the details you describe is pretty low 485304;1391711588;benkay;ah well i'm giving the wrong instructions anyways. it's a bit obfuscated: https://github.com/dogecoin/dogecoin/blob/master-1.5/src/main.cpp#L3141 485305;1391711589;ThickAsThieves;but i am willing to pay to get this solved so i can then pay to have pools made or whaver 485306;1391711598;ThickAsThieves;get it listed on exchanges 485307;1391711599;ThickAsThieves;etc 485308;1391711654;benkay;it'll be interesting to see if clients built from the regenerated source code will be able to talk to clients in the wild 485309;1391711667;nubbins`;what are you gonna do when people start actually wasting/losing money on atc? 485310;1391711678;benkay;cash out, obviously. 485311;1391711683;ThickAsThieves;i dont even own any 485312;1391711695;nubbins`;doesn't matter 485313;1391711714;nubbins`;people are going to take it seriously and they're going to lose money 485314;1391711722;nubbins`;and you're enabling that 485315;1391711739;ThickAsThieves;... 485316;1391711762;Duffer1;he's not wrong there TaT hehe 485317;1391711771;nubbins`;i know it's a big lel, but you should kill this before it grows legs 485318;1391711772;ThickAsThieves;i'm not sure he's right either 485319;1391711781;benkay;yeah but that's the "kids are going to hurt themselves with guns" argument 485320;1391711794;ThickAsThieves;also who's to say? 485321;1391711797;benkay;teach some firearm use, let the idiots die. 485322;1391711802;ThickAsThieves;maybe it really does kill all the other alts 485323;1391711812;pankkake;lol, the coinget coin I took the source from even has the same port number 485324;1391711815;pankkake;coingen 485325;1391711825;nubbins`;maybe it really does, yep 485326;1391711828;benkay;why would you change the port number? 485327;1391711841;mike_c;yeah, where's the hate for bernankoin? as long as he doesn't pump/dump, what's the crime? 485328;1391711842;pankkake;because it's anothe coin 485329;1391711845;benkay;also the n-coin game will go forever 485330;1391711864;pankkake;mike_c: there's no hate for bernankoin 485331;1391711879;pankkake;it's *impossible* to premine anyway! 485332;1391711883;ThickAsThieves;nubbins ive decided your argument is not sound 485333;1391711891;ThickAsThieves;you had me worried 485334;1391711894;ThickAsThieves;but no 485335;1391711916;nubbins`;you've decided that the guy selling apples w/ razors to creepy old men is not at fault, because he's not the one handing them out to kids? 485336;1391711930;mike_c;i guess nobody will lose money on bernankoin cuz you can always just print more to keep people from losing money 485337;1391711939;nubbins`;"lel pre-razored apples, what a riot!" 485338;1391711939;Duffer1;lol 485339;1391711953;nubbins`;and we all have a chuckle and a kid slices his neck open 485340;1391711957;pankkake;well anyone printing it for more than a few hours is a fool 485341;1391711958;ThickAsThieves;in a world where there can be any number of alts, all on same codebase, no one alt is better than the other 485342;1391711959;nubbins`;but hey, fuck him, he shoulda checked! 485343;1391711973;ThickAsThieves;that includes bitcoin really 485344;1391712004;nubbins`;alts have two purposes: to experiment with ideas and to have a lel/run a scam 485345;1391712010;ThickAsThieves;says who 485346;1391712013;asciilifeform;eventually, mining breakthrough, and people will regret having undermined the whole concept of blockchain by having a swarm of little chains 485347;1391712013;mike_c;that's three purposes 485348;1391712013;nubbins`;says me 485349;1391712022;nubbins`;mike_c: the lel/scam is the same thing 485350;1391712053;asciilifeform;'fail to hang together, and you will hang separately' 485351;1391712088;ThickAsThieves;mining breakthrough? 485352;1391712109;asciilifeform;hypothetically. 485353;1391712154;ThickAsThieves;but really, what makes bitcoin better than an altcoin other than its adoption level? 485354;1391712159;ThickAsThieves;it's all the same shit 485355;1391712202;nubbins`;one's real and the other is for fleecing rubes, that's what 485356;1391712207;asciilifeform;entirely ignoring the 'features' (many vs. few coins, frequents vs. rare blocks, etc) and premining, 485357;1391712213;asciilifeform;the difference is: who has it. 485358;1391712218;nubbins`;if you're fine with rubes being fleeced, then there's no difference, no 485359;1391712228;asciilifeform;every cryptocoin can be seen as an attempt to 'replay the history of money' 485360;1391712233;asciilifeform;with (optionally) different winners. 485361;1391712237;nubbins`;^ 485362;1391712243;asciilifeform;much depends on who these winners are. 485363;1391712259;mike_c;there is a difference between selling real estate in florida that is secretly swampland, and openly selling swamps. 485364;1391712273;ThickAsThieves;and it's impossible to have two coins coexist and be healthy? 485365;1391712285;asciilifeform;hard to sell swamp to people who understand what a swamp is. 485366;1391712299;mike_c;right, which is why you haven't bought any ATC 485367;1391712301;nubbins`;it's impossible for a rubecoin to be healthy, yes 485368;1391712306;ThickAsThieves;is it impossible an altcoin will become the winner over bitcoin? 485369;1391712326;asciilifeform;it isn't impossible. we live in a world with ms-winblows, for example. 485370;1391712328;nubbins`;let's be clear, your experiment isn't intended to become a winner over bitcoin 485371;1391712331;asciilifeform;there are many such 'winners'. 485372;1391712339;nubbins`;it's intended to have a chuckle 485373;1391712340;benkay;even if there is a mining breakthrough, the compute deployed against alts couldn't save bitcoin... 485374;1391712343;nubbins`;but the funny thing about intentions... 485375;1391712347;ThickAsThieves;says you 485376;1391712363;nubbins`;says me, yes 485377;1391712375;nubbins`;says you, as well 485378;1391712381;ThickAsThieves;no actually 485379;1391712386;ThickAsThieves;says the miners 485380;1391712393;ThickAsThieves;thats all really 485381;1391712402;TomServo;ThickAsThieves: You saying you don't own any and won't mine any doesn't preclude that? 485382;1391712418;ThickAsThieves;preclude what 485383;1391712428;TomServo;It winning over btc 485384;1391712439;ThickAsThieves;what i say doesnt mean much 485385;1391712467;nubbins`;that's becoming clear ;D 485386;1391712475;ThickAsThieves;seriously 485387;1391712478;ThickAsThieves;i know i fuck around 485388;1391712484;nubbins`;i do too 485389;1391712488;nubbins`;the suckers being suckered don't 485390;1391712503;ThickAsThieves;but you guys arent giving real arguments here 485391;1391712510;ThickAsThieves;you act like i'm inventing altcoins 485392;1391712516;asciilifeform;whether a particular alt is 'trying to win over btc' can be determined by looking at what it is being traded for. 485393;1391712516;Duffer1;it's a subjective moral argument 485394;1391712523;asciilifeform;if it is being parcelled out in exchange for btc... 485395;1391712533;asciilifeform;then it is clear which coin the author regards as genuine and having a future. 485396;1391712544;Duffer1;based entirely on what you believe is moral or amoral 485397;1391712557;nubbins`;duffer, it boils down to this, yes 485398;1391712565;nubbins`;promoting a lelcoin as being serious is amoral 485399;1391712568;nubbins`;in my view 485400;1391712570;ThickAsThieves;what if the other just wants to do create the thing to see what happens 485401;1391712572;nubbins`;others disagree 485402;1391712585;asciilifeform;would you happily part with gold, for instance, if you believe that 'gold standard' will make a comeback? 485403;1391712587;Mats_cd03;so what was the size of the mpex whale fee 485404;1391712589;nubbins`;what if i just want to stuff a cigarette with match heads to see what happens? 485405;1391712592;mike_c;nubbins`: do you think it was immoral to flip houses during the housing bubble? 485406;1391712597;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11900001 BTC [-] 485407;1391712608;ThickAsThieves;so far its mostly been an expression for me, some luls sure, but kinda performance art 485408;1391712633;ThickAsThieves;i havent even pondered what my investment strategy might be for it 485409;1391712635;ThickAsThieves;i dont care 485410;1391712639;ThickAsThieves;maybe i buy some 485411;1391712643;ThickAsThieves;maybe i dont 485412;1391712651;nubbins`;mike_c, there was a housing bubble? ;p 485413;1391712679;nubbins`;i think it's immoral to sell a cardboard box painted up like a house to a new family 485414;1391712690;ThickAsThieves;thats not what this is 485415;1391712699;nubbins`;bernankoin, you read the spec and have a lel 485416;1391712718;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.119 BTC [-] 485417;1391712725;nubbins`;dogecoin, you see people actually losing things of value 485418;1391712750;nubbins`;intentions don't matter, what people do with the thing you've made does matter 485419;1391712787;mike_c;bah. and bitcoin is to blame for assasinationmarket 485420;1391712789;benkay;is running a gambling house a moral operation, nubbins`? 485421;1391712795;nubbins`;benkay, no 485422;1391712825;nubbins`;mike_c: assassinations are purchased with or without bitcoin 485423;1391712838;nubbins`;rubes losing money on ATC doesn't happen without ATC 485424;1391712851;mike_c;of course it does. 485425;1391712865;mike_c;that money is lost simply by rubes having it. 485426;1391712889;ThickAsThieves;you cant die from frostbite while bathing in lava either 485427;1391712895;asciilifeform;'if i hadn't picked his pocket, some other fellow would've.' 485428;1391712901;nubbins`;^ 485429;1391712915;ThickAsThieves;except i'm not picking pockets 485430;1391712917;nubbins`;nice rationalization, isn't it 485431;1391712923;nubbins`;no, you're just selling tongs 485432;1391712927;ThickAsThieves;no 485433;1391712930;nubbins`;yyyep 485434;1391712934;ThickAsThieves;i'm selling streets 485435;1391712946;nubbins`;streets serve a useful purpose 485436;1391712949;ThickAsThieves;maybe people get robbed on them 485437;1391712953;ThickAsThieves;so does currency 485438;1391712962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.00085735 = 15.8181 BTC [-] {2} 485439;1391712967;ThickAsThieves;maybe people build businesses on them 485440;1391712972;Duffer1;this argument is why i never made Hodorcoin, in the end, someone was going to lose money on it 485441;1391712980;nubbins`;if you can justify it to yourself, there's not much i can do to convince you otherwise 485442;1391712986;nubbins`;just wanted to offer a perspective 485443;1391712994;mike_c;i lost money on mpex once. mp is a scammor. 485444;1391712998;benkay;everything is a scam 485445;1391713003;ThickAsThieves;i can say i dont want to hurt anyone 485446;1391713011;ThickAsThieves;surely 485447;1391713023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35005 @ 0.00085841 = 30.0486 BTC [+] {2} 485448;1391713026;ThickAsThieves;but i cant say that i wont sell knives 485449;1391713026;nubbins`;sure, and you can offer perpetual mining turds that anyone with a brain would know is a bad purchase 485450;1391713064;asciilifeform;take classic btc. it was a net gain in wealth, rather than simply a machine from moving money from one pocket to another, because it made new things possible. what new things does the altcoin-of-the-day make possible? 485451;1391713073;nubbins`;but you can't say that you're not intentionally fleecing rubes 485452;1391713090;asciilifeform;'my ferrari' is one answer. but not an answer that will satisfy skeptics. 485453;1391713096;ThickAsThieves;well if we go buy the Altcoin's mission it's purpose is to get everyone to stop mining every other altcoin 485454;1391713111;ThickAsThieves;would you count marginal success in that as a good thing? 485455;1391713113;kakobrekla;allowing for txes when 1mb limit is being hit for one but thats where it ends 485456;1391713135;nubbins`;would you count getting people off heroin and into crack as a good thing? 485457;1391713152;jborkl;not to the dealers 485458;1391713159;ThickAsThieves;i dont think that's a proper comparison 485459;1391713167;asciilifeform;this is more like getting all of the addicts to buy from one large dealer instead of quitting 485460;1391713173;nubbins`;sure it is, they're trading one terrible choice for another 485461;1391713189;mike_c;if you accept the axiom that any coin besides bitcoin has no value. 485462;1391713192;ThickAsThieves;the problem is you are making assumptions that are false 485463;1391713197;Mats_cd03;Some people just lack enough empathy 485464;1391713205;nubbins`;do tell! 485465;1391713207;asciilifeform;just asking the question of where the added value is. 485466;1391713211;asciilifeform;it's a legitimate question. 485467;1391713214;ThickAsThieves;you assume all altcoins are a loss/waste 485468;1391713219;ThickAsThieves;i do not 485469;1391713223;nubbins`;i don't assume that 485470;1391713231;nubbins`;altcoins are a great way to test out new concepts 485471;1391713242;asciilifeform;if there's added value ('i've an nsa-resistant work-function, here, look') we're all ears. 485472;1391713247;nubbins`;but a big machine that spits out slightly tweaked alts isn't 485473;1391713267;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.003078 = 1.539 BTC [+] 485474;1391713270;ThickAsThieves;again i think this is a false assumption as well, alts needing new concepts 485475;1391713283;nubbins`;nobody's saying you NEED to test new concepts 485476;1391713291;ThickAsThieves;no, 485477;1391713297;TomServo;ThickAsThieves: is it a "preformance piece" or "maybe a viable altcoin, we'll see"? 485478;1391713298;asciilifeform;then your real proposition is 'i ought to be Satoshi and will use the powers for Good' 485479;1391713299;nubbins`;just that there's the potential for learning, growth, new thought processes, etc 485480;1391713302;ThickAsThieves;you are saying the NEED is required for value to exist 485481;1391713316;ThickAsThieves;it;s not a fact 485482;1391713328;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.11833333 = 0.355 BTC [-] {2} 485483;1391713372;ThickAsThieves;there are no powers i get or use 485484;1391713423;asciilifeform;'a) repaint your black car. it should be blue. b) why should i ? a) blue is just as good as black b) wtf a) here, i'll sell you some paint b) what's the value to me a) it doesn't need added value, blue is better ' 485485;1391713440;denlove;I wish I had someone send bitcoin to please. 16ZdMuyrVuuupSjVZyPmBWwjHsbcweKGUk 485486;1391713449;nubbins`;denlove, eat a bag of dicks 485487;1391713451;ThickAsThieves;blue is different 485488;1391713455;ThickAsThieves;doesnt need to be better 485489;1391713460;kakobrekla;I wish blowjob and icecream 485490;1391713469;nubbins`;you're trying to rationalize your lelcoin right now, in this conversation 485491;1391713476;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: good luck with the chump harvesting. 485492;1391713479;nubbins`;^ 485493;1391713506;ThickAsThieves;seriously, you cant definitively win one argument and now i'm a shill 485494;1391713521;nubbins`;what's with "winning" "arguments"? 485495;1391713526;TomServo;TomServo | ThickAsThieves: is it a "preformance piece" or "maybe a viable altcoin, we'll see"? 485496;1391713539;ThickAsThieves;i dont know 485497;1391713547;ThickAsThieves;it just is 485498;1391713550;asciilifeform;the trouble with chump harvesting, morals aside, is that there is always a new, slicker chump-harvesting artist coming to town. 485499;1391713560;asciilifeform;whose 'no added value needed' proposition is 'just as good' as yours 485500;1391713562;asciilifeform;but new/exciting. 485501;1391713570;mike_c;that's not trouble if he's not trying to harvest chumps 485502;1391713570;nubbins`;so value, many excite 485503;1391713570;ThickAsThieves;so 485504;1391713572;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.003078 = 0.4617 BTC [+] 485505;1391713585;ThickAsThieves;let them compete, idc 485506;1391713587;asciilifeform;live by the chumps, die by the chumps. who are fickle. 485507;1391713595;ThickAsThieves;its nothing to do with chumping people 485508;1391713597;nubbins`;let them eat cake! 485509;1391713631;ThickAsThieves;there will be wealth in more coins than bitcoin, for as long as this paradigm can even exist 485510;1391713633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25070 @ 0.00085996 = 21.5592 BTC [+] {3} 485511;1391713652;pankkake;PROCESSMESSAGE: INVALID MESSAGESTART 485512;1391713657;pankkake;well, I'm stuck :( 485513;1391713680;ThickAsThieves;your arguments live in some imaginary ending where only bitcoin is left 485514;1391713682;asciilifeform;the other thing, your alt may be 'honest', but plenty are not. say, quite soon governments will begin herding people (through guile or force) into national altcoins. 485515;1391713684;asciilifeform;with central control. 485516;1391713694;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1289 BTC [+] 485517;1391713695;asciilifeform;the proliferation of chumpcoins sets the stage for this 485518;1391713699;asciilifeform;by destroying the Schelling point. 485519;1391713713;ThickAsThieves;so 485520;1391713716;asciilifeform;'divide & conquer' 485521;1391713718;Duffer1;interesting proposition 485522;1391713720;ThickAsThieves;you cant stop it if thats the path 485523;1391713730;ThickAsThieves;and it certainly wont be because i made Altcoin 485524;1391713735;pankkake;it's pchMessageStart, but I'm not sure how to reverse-engineer it 485525;1391713748;asciilifeform;'no drop of water believes that it is to blame for the flood' etc. 485526;1391713755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00086492 = 18.5525 BTC [+] 485527;1391713762;ThickAsThieves;lol 485528;1391713805;ThickAsThieves;altcoins are seeking their place, itll always be dynamic, but they will have a place 485529;1391713811;ThickAsThieves;it's our reality 485530;1391713815;ThickAsThieves;you cant will it away 485531;1391713816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00086998 = 25.0554 BTC [+] {2} 485532;1391713832;Duffer1;lets put aside the moralizing and focus on the likely outcome of the experiment 485533;1391713844;mike_c;imagine a grid with 100 tiny squares and 1 enormous square. Add as many tiny squares as you want, the Schelling point remains. 485534;1391713844;Rick_;mircea is here? 485535;1391713869;asciilifeform;Duffer1: we already know the outcome. that's what makes it a distinctly disappointing experiment. 485536;1391713871;Duffer1;paging mircea_popescu , mircea_popescu to the desk please 485537;1391713888;ThickAsThieves;oh you do? 485538;1391713893;ThickAsThieves;intersting 485539;1391713894;ThickAsThieves;e 485540;1391713911;Duffer1;i believe that is the likely outcome as well ascii 485541;1391713924;asciilifeform;somewhere in russia, a drunk is unzipping, preparing to piss in an apartment lobby. you prod him, he answers 'drunks will always piss in lobbies. you can't just will it away.' 485542;1391713927;Duffer1;getting from here to there would probably be very interesting though 485543;1391713941;pankkake;does anyone here know basic C? how do I print, say, 0x0b? I want it to be 0x0b on the screen, or similar 485544;1391713947;asciilifeform;'besides it already stinks' 485545;1391713974;ThickAsThieves;no, you are trying to say pissing shouldnt happen at all 485546;1391713983;asciilifeform;pankkake: printf("%x", foo) 485547;1391713989;ThickAsThieves;or that there is only one place to piss 485548;1391713991;ThickAsThieves;i dunno 485549;1391713993;pankkake;thanks, this is also what I found :) 485550;1391714016;pankkake;I need to find something interesting to write in C 485551;1391714019;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: merely that the world would stink less if people could agree to piss in toilets, or the woods, but not apartment lobby. 485552;1391714021;nubbins`;what he's saying is piss in the fucking toilet 485553;1391714029;nubbins`;not in people's faces 485554;1391714038;ThickAsThieves;by that argument why do we allow more than one fiat? 485555;1391714065;ThickAsThieves;why hasnt that been cleaned up? 485556;1391714071;ThickAsThieves;didnt require bitcoin to do so 485557;1391714072;asciilifeform;for the same reason that a town has more than one burglar 485558;1391714094;ThickAsThieves;you really see it that way? 485559;1391714125;asciilifeform;very basic game theory. 485560;1391714133;mike_c;pankkake: take something slow in one of your python programs and write a C module for it 485561;1391714190;ThickAsThieves;and what of this grand plan to make a better coingen.io? 485562;1391714198;ThickAsThieves;mircea is scammer too? 485563;1391714224;nubbins`;"a better" 485564;1391714231;nubbins`;atc = "a better" alt? 485565;1391714242;jurov;pankkake: rewrite pympex (but dunno if there's portable gpg C library) 485566;1391714250;nubbins`;PMTs = "a better" way to invest? 485567;1391714270;pankkake;I doubt the performance issues of pympex are in the Python code ;) 485568;1391714270;ThickAsThieves;amazing 485569;1391714270;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 485570;1391714290;ThickAsThieves;so enabling the more efficient creation of Altcoins is moral, but making one is not 485571;1391714290;jurov;i had in mind portability issues 485572;1391714314;nubbins`;nobody's saying that 485573;1391714329;pankkake;there are many gpg python libs, which all suck in a different way 485574;1391714339;ThickAsThieves;so it's just a fleecing of rubes plan of mp's? 485575;1391714350;nubbins`;nobody's saying that either 485576;1391714353;jurov;pankkake: yep, even some forks with same name 485577;1391714374;nubbins`;making a new compiler != creating exploits 485578;1391714379;asciilifeform;ignoring morality entirely. if you'd like to live in a future where crypto-coins are a useful thing, vs. a fogotten fad, think twice about cranking out spamcoins. 485579;1391714382;pankkake;in the end, for what I wanted to do, I ended up calling gpg directly 485580;1391714395;nubbins`;signal-to-noise-ratiocoin 485581;1391714426;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 900 @ 0.00307922 = 2.7713 BTC [+] {2} 485582;1391714453;benkay;asciilifeform: would you elaborate on how cranking out altcoins will do *anything* to bitcoin? 485583;1391714479;mike_c;pankkake: curious what you were trying to do that was not working with the python gpg lib? 485584;1391714488;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 750 @ 0.0030798 = 2.3099 BTC [+] 485585;1391714496;asciilifeform;benkay: one of the big strengths of classic btc is that it is a schelling point. 485586;1391714564;asciilifeform;now every idiot wants 'his own' blockchain. and soon, every government, with master keys baked in, naturally 485587;1391714569;pankkake;it's wasn't really about working, but I didn't want to add a dependency for nothing 485588;1391714578;mike_c;ah 485589;1391714581;pankkake;in the end most of the feature is calling gpgv 485590;1391714584;asciilifeform;in the latter, fiat infusions will make these boobycoins appear to be (temporarily) valuable 485591;1391714587;asciilifeform;and chumps will flock to them. 485592;1391714590;pankkake;which is also portable :) 485593;1391714606;asciilifeform;getting used to central control, pre-mining by national mints, and all of the traditional joys of fiat. 485594;1391714657;asciilifeform;'embrace and extinguish.' 485595;1391714665;mike_c;i think you are vastly overestimating public knowledge of even the existence of altcoins 485596;1391714704;ThickAsThieves;I think you have limited the possible futures too much 485597;1391714728;Duffer1;Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 17m 485598;1391714729;Duffer1;#maxcoin mining and buying panic is building... all system look good to go. @maxcoinproject 485599;1391714731;Duffer1;>.< 485600;1391714741;nubbins`;^ 485601;1391714743;asciilifeform;naturally, people will shit out alts. nothing i can say here would put the slightest dent in it. just as they will continue to throw cigarette butts from cars. 485602;1391714746;nubbins`;replace max with alt 485603;1391714754;asciilifeform;every cig thrower is king of his own universe for a few seconds 485604;1391714757;asciilifeform;just like the alt author. 485605;1391714758;nubbins`;^ 485606;1391714780;mike_c;i like that analogy. so TaT threw a cig butt on the ground. who cares? 485607;1391714790;ThickAsThieves;the burning forest! 485608;1391714792;kakobrekla;green peace 485609;1391714808;pankkake;fucking fuck, now it connects, but every block is an orphan to it… 485610;1391714810;nubbins`;mike_c: yeah, who cares! we can do this forever! 485611;1391714827;mike_c;yes, we can. the world has not yet crumbled from tossed cig butts. 485612;1391714831;nubbins`;fuck everything, it's the road's fault for being there 485613;1391714841;nubbins`;"not yet" 485614;1391714847;nubbins`;you've got that part right, at least 485615;1391714863;nubbins`;"it hasn't happened yet!" 485616;1391714868;nubbins`;ergo, it never will! 485617;1391714886;ThickAsThieves;again a bad analogy 485618;1391714890;nubbins`;when can we expect mike_ccoin? 485619;1391714905;mike_c;never, i own one ATC. hence my position :) 485620;1391714909;asciilifeform;http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=359_1336476686 485621;1391714910;ozbot;LiveLeak.com - WELCOME TO SHIT BEACH 485622;1391714926;asciilifeform;life in garbage world, sans cleanup crews. 485623;1391714948;benkay;but "good money drives out bad", asciilifeform. every local government can print their own fiat, demand taxes in their own shitcoin, and all of the wealth will stay in bitcoin. 485624;1391714963;nubbins`;"so what if we're helping turn cryptocurrency into a digital liberia" 485625;1391714983;nubbins`;"fuck the signal, here's some more noise" 485626;1391714997;asciilifeform;the question we're about to learn the answer to is close to: 'does the average person actually appreciate toilets and garbage trucks? or would be be just as happy using his local beach?' 485627;1391714997;mike_c;this is like imagining that the btctalk retardation will hurt bitcoin. 485628;1391715020;benkay;there is only noise in the universe. moments of signal are rare and unusual and vanish rapidly. thermodynamics at work. 485629;1391715040;nubbins`;benkay, that's about two steps from "what IS reality?" 485630;1391715046;mike_c;but he threw his butt in the toilet. it was announced on btctalk. 485631;1391715046;kakobrekla;everything is locel on the net 485632;1391715059;kakobrekla;local 485633;1391715071;benkay;not hardly. it's more along the lines of "seeing clearly in the fog is difficult", nubbins`. not "everything is foggy so fuck it". 485634;1391715089;nubbins`;mike_c, ah, the toilet? that's okay, then 485635;1391715096;nubbins`;once you flush things down the toilet, they're gone 485636;1391715097;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 545 @ 0.0031181 = 1.6994 BTC [+] {3} 485637;1391715099;ThickAsThieves;Maybe, I make Altcoin, it does pretty good, then something goes bad and people lose a bunch of money. Then I admit you guys were right. The guilt eats my soul til I realize I must now design the best coin ever. I do, and it kills bitcoin, and the world basks in a new dawn of finance. I load up IRC "sup fuckers, good thing I made Altcoin!" 485638;1391715102;benkay;just because the signal is loud and clear today is not a reason why it should remain that way. 485639;1391715113;nubbins`;"well, the tanker was leaking oil something fierce, so we towed it outside the environment" 485640;1391715121;nubbins`;"into another environment?" 485641;1391715127;nubbins`;"no, OUT of the environment" 485642;1391715134;mike_c;ok, i give up. let's debate abortion and gun control instead. 485643;1391715165;kakobrekla;kill fetuses with guns! 485644;1391715169;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: ... 485645;1391715173;ThickAsThieves;:) 485646;1391715179;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: i, for one, had no notion of convincing you that bamboozling people is wrong. only that you are ultimately burning your own furniture for heat. 485647;1391715190;mike_c;they aren't fetuses they are human beings. murderer. 485648;1391715210;kakobrekla;no, guns kill people, not people. not a murderer 485649;1391715220;pankkake;to make a "successful" altcoin nowadays you need more than releasing it 485650;1391715223;asciilifeform;right now, alt enthusiasts are shitting on a relatively clean beach. 485651;1391715235;Duffer1;when i argue against something, i take the time later to try to argue for it, i can't think of any arguments for altcoin atm (but that could very likely be user error) hehe 485652;1391715243;ThickAsThieves;asciilifeform, you are likely right, but it is already shaping up to be an interesting excercise 485653;1391715244;asciilifeform;they happily take their btc earnings from selling the alts and enjoy the valuable, relatively-stable coin. 485654;1391715280;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.00312 = 0.2995 BTC [+] 485655;1391715299;nubbins`;"can we trust this ThickAsThieves fellow?" "of course you can trust me, neobee, AM, etc" "but what about the perpetual mining turd and the altcoin thing?" "no no no, those were just a lel" 485656;1391715317;nubbins`;^ this is the other side of it 485657;1391715332;kakobrekla;someone has to be on the other side of the sell asciilifeform 485658;1391715340;jborkl;so what did I miss about GOX? just read a article that bitcoin withdraws are not working now? (not that I use them anymore) 485659;1391715346;nubbins`;you asked me if mp was running a scam by making a better coingen. i ask you if there's a mirceacoin 485660;1391715349;asciilifeform;nubbins`: 'Bob the Bridge Builder.' 485661;1391715357;nubbins`;wait, the same bob who sucks dicks? 485662;1391715362;nubbins`;i've heard of him 485663;1391715402;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.0030795 = 0.3049 BTC [-] 485664;1391715403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76373 @ 0.00086841 = 66.3231 BTC [-] 485665;1391715410;ThickAsThieves;i do wish mircea was here, because even if i'm outright in the wrong, he'd at least be able to make that clear. i'm having real trouble with these arguments. 485666;1391715436;ThickAsThieves;and to comment on TAT.VM 485667;1391715441;asciilifeform;not sure even karl friedrich gauss could make this any more clear. 485668;1391715451;nubbins`;HEH 485669;1391715473;ThickAsThieves;First, I didn't really realize what would happen, and I really did not intend to harm. However, I do regret it. 485670;1391715494;nubbins`;^ picture yourself saying this about ATC 6 months from now 485671;1391715494;benkay;it's fine 485672;1391715495;nubbins`;please 485673;1391715497;benkay;you've done nothing 485674;1391715499;ThickAsThieves;And that regret did have an affect on my latter movs. 485675;1391715502;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: if this is true, it isn't too late to publicly repent and call the thing off. 485676;1391715514;ThickAsThieves;moves 485677;1391715514;asciilifeform;it would be a very educational act. 485678;1391715517;nubbins`;^ 485679;1391715520;benkay;how are you going to do that? 485680;1391715526;ThickAsThieves;i will not 485681;1391715535;asciilifeform;well, we tried. 485682;1391715540;ThickAsThieves;if it dies it will be due to my attention span more likely 485683;1391715545;nubbins`;SMH 485684;1391715552;jborkl;What are you doing anywy Tat, I missed that part 485685;1391715566;Duffer1;Altcoin jborkl 485686;1391715568;nubbins`;jborkl, helping scammers fleece rubes 485687;1391715573;nubbins`;or inventing the future of crypto 485688;1391715574;ThickAsThieves;in a meta moment i made a meta altcoin 485689;1391715577;nubbins`;we can't agree 485690;1391715578;mike_c;http://www.therealaltcoin.org/ 485691;1391715579;ozbot;The Real Altcoin (ATC) - Never mine another altcoin again. 485692;1391715620;ThickAsThieves;look the slogan is also the disclaimer 485693;1391715623;ThickAsThieves;what more can i do 485694;1391715639;mike_c;btw, i disagree that an honestly run buisness that ends in failure is tarnishing to a reputation. 485695;1391715646;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1200 @ 0.003078 = 3.6936 BTC [-] {4} 485696;1391715662;ThickAsThieves;are you referring to TAT.VM? 485697;1391715675;asciilifeform;mike_c: if pump'n'dump is a type of honest business, i'd hate to see what a scam is now 485698;1391715683;mike_c;he's not pumping & dumping! 485699;1391715698;nubbins`;mike_c: you disagree that displaying a shocking lack of foresight is tarnishing to a reputation? 485700;1391715700;nubbins`;jesus 485701;1391715707;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 147 @ 0.003078 = 0.4525 BTC [-] 485702;1391715732;benkay;what is this shocking lack of foresight? 485703;1391715734;mike_c;a shocking lack of foresight? super harsh. a lot of entrepeneurs fail 485704;1391715743;nubbins`;benkay, mike_c: TAT.VM 485705;1391715761;nubbins`;[16:07:54] First, I didn't really realize what would happen, and I really did not intend to harm. However, I do regret it. 485706;1391715776;ThickAsThieves;i dont regret it as a failure 485707;1391715783;ThickAsThieves;i'm not sure i'd even call it a failure 485708;1391715788;nubbins`;maybe you could whip up a regretcoin, premine a bunch, and send them to the rubes who got fleeced 485709;1391715789;benkay;how was vm a failure? 485710;1391715803;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: maybe i missed something... but where's the source code? 485711;1391715813;nubbins`;benkay: it wasn't a failure for TAT 485712;1391715815;ThickAsThieves;you missed something ;) 485713;1391715820;benkay;that's part and parcel of the story, asciilifeform. he didn't pay for the source. 485714;1391715823;nubbins`;mike_c was the one who mentioned failute 485715;1391715826;nubbins`;*failure 485716;1391715830;asciilifeform;who in his right mind would run this 485717;1391715834;ThickAsThieves;i regret that some people really did not understand what they were buying, despite utter transparency 485718;1391715845;asciilifeform;7MB is room for all of the world's trojans, etc 485719;1391715850;nubbins`;do you regret that you really did not understand what you were selling? 485720;1391715850;ThickAsThieves;which wouldnt be so bad 485721;1391715858;benkay;nubbins`: it's a perpetual mining bond. pay btc now for a thing that becomes rapidly more useless. 485722;1391715866;ThickAsThieves;if it werent for the dramatic mining diff changes that came like 1 week after release 485723;1391715870;nubbins`;benkay: yes, that's correct 485724;1391715877;ThickAsThieves;i knew what i was selling 485725;1391715882;nubbins`;ooh 485726;1391715883;asciilifeform;pay for the source? 485727;1391715884;nubbins`;that's worse 485728;1391715886;ThickAsThieves;it was spelled out quite clearly 485729;1391715890;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12020001 BTC [-] 485730;1391715894;nubbins`;you knew you were selling overpriced turds? 485731;1391715894;benkay;it was crystal clear. 485732;1391715901;asciilifeform;as if it took more than ten minutes to grab a copy of bitcoind src and change the constants 485733;1391715915;mike_c;do you hate JD too? people have lost more on that then they will ever lose on atc. 485734;1391715924;nubbins`;[16:07:54] First, I didn't really realize what would happen 485735;1391715925;nubbins`;[16:14:38] i knew what i was selling 485736;1391715927;mike_c;and people don't "understand" volatility or EV 485737;1391715929;ThickAsThieves;am i a criminal for profiting off jurov when he did the opposite? 485738;1391715938;benkay;yes well this is the world in which we live, asciilifeform. people can't grep source and depend on web apps to make altcoins from them. 485739;1391715950;ThickAsThieves;i sold mining futures 485740;1391715955;nubbins`;i'm not saying you're a criminal, i'm saying you're hurting other people as well as yourself 485741;1391715966;ThickAsThieves;oh i did not hurt myself 485742;1391715966;asciilifeform;i changed my mind. we should all love Altcoin. anyone who runs a 7MB turd of unknown provenance deserves the lessons contained therein. 485743;1391715975;ThickAsThieves;i gained some very valuable experience 485744;1391715986;nubbins`;oh, you hurt yourself, even if you don't realize it yet 485745;1391715989;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: i hope you stuffed some serious 0day strange in there. 485746;1391716000;ThickAsThieves;i didnt even make it 485747;1391716007;ThickAsThieves;bluematt did 485748;1391716023;nubbins`;"i didn't put the razor in the apple, i just gave it to the kid" 485749;1391716023;mike_c;now that they are making a mistake out of security ignorance instead of financial ignorance it's better :) 485750;1391716047;nubbins`;we're going to run out of soap if this hand-washing continues 485751;1391716055;mike_c;we're already out of soap boxes. 485752;1391716061;nubbins`;oh, zing 485753;1391716064;mike_c;hehe 485754;1391716078;nubbins`;luckily everyone's already standing on one 485755;1391716102;ThickAsThieves;consider also that tatvm enabled me to do every release after it 485756;1391716107;ThickAsThieves;xbond, neo 485757;1391716143;nubbins`;consider that pirate's scam enabled him to buy a bunch of blow 485758;1391716157;ThickAsThieves;so xbond was blow? 485759;1391716158;nubbins`;consider that tatvm has tainted everything you've done since 485760;1391716196;ThickAsThieves;and your integrity is flawless? 485761;1391716226;ThickAsThieves;so basically i hath been judged by nubbins long ago? 485762;1391716231;nubbins`;go dig up some dirt on me, i'll wait here 485763;1391716239;nubbins`;and basically, yep 485764;1391716248;ThickAsThieves;good to know i guess 485765;1391716267;nubbins`;good to know if you take something away from it 485766;1391716272;nubbins`;useless to know otherwise 485767;1391716413;Duffer1;i still <3 you TaT 485768;1391716470;Duffer1;another haiku! 485769;1391716495;TomServo;Well fascinating conversation, either way. 485770;1391716500;nubbins`;indeed 485771;1391716513;mike_c;roosevelt had something to say about this 485772;1391716537;nubbins`;mike_c: did he say "if your friends have to issue public warnings not to invest in things you create, you're probably a legit businessman with a future"? 485773;1391716538;TomServo;Something I think asciilifeform touched on, judging the merits of all cryptocurrencies... isn't hashrate pretty much the end-all-be-all? 485774;1391716570;mike_c;i don't think that was it 485775;1391716580;asciilifeform;TomServo: hash rate isn't all of it. lack of seigniorage is another. 485776;1391716591;nubbins`;mike_c: i'm terrible with quotes 485777;1391716621;mike_c;i have had friends start buisnesses that i would not invest in. that didn't make them scum. 485778;1391716628;TomServo;asciilifeform: Ah yes, with that being equal though? 485779;1391716646;mike_c;why do i keep misspelling business? 485780;1391716665;asciilifeform;there's a difference between 'use my thing. because it's better' and 'use my thing. it's better, really. and oh btw, if you buy in it will pay for my 1kg/day coke habit.' 485781;1391716682;ThickAsThieves;wtf 485782;1391716700;TomServo;I thought it was pretty interesting to see the LTC DOGE hashrate intersect, and then re-intersect and what those implications might be. 485783;1391716707;mike_c;yeah, tat is rolling in blow from atc. 485784;1391716760;asciilifeform;seigniorage is an actual problem. i personally know perfectly reasonable, intelligent people who won't go near btc because of Satoshi's coins. 485785;1391716766;kakobrekla;TomServo the implication is, people can get fooled more than once 485786;1391716962;nubbins`;good a time for a break as any 485787;1391716964;nubbins`;coffee! 485788;1391717049;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1282 BTC [+] 485789;1391717141;pankkake;I give up on making a source for Altcoin… I don't understand why it orphans the blocks 485790;1391717171;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 252 @ 0.00307 = 0.7736 BTC [+] 485791;1391717172;pankkake;the only thing I didn't chaneg is txNew.vin[0].scriptSig and I have no idea what it is, if it matters, and how to find its value 485792;1391717251;pankkake;OK maybe I can get it in the first transaction, which seems isn't me… weird 485793;1391717354;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06999 = 0.14 BTC [-] 485794;1391717415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40250 @ 0.00086847 = 34.9559 BTC [+] {2} 485795;1391717537;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00084288 = 0.1686 BTC [+] 485796;1391717720;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.00086705 = 21.1127 BTC [-] 485797;1391717747;nubbins`;bee bee el, pan-frying cod 485798;1391717753;pankkake;lol getrawtranscation doesn't work for the firt tx it seems 485799;1391717824;pankkake;meh, anyway I don't know what to do with it 485800;1391717833;pankkake;waste of time :( 485801;1391717903;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.0008429 = 0.1686 BTC [+] 485802;1391718208;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 240 @ 0.0008429 = 0.2023 BTC [+] 485803;1391718331;the20year;Tomorrow is the big day :D 485804;1391718367;Duffer1;just reopening trading or are you going for another round of financing? 485805;1391718375;Duffer1;have i asked that? 485806;1391718388;the20year;another round of funding via havelock 485807;1391718401;Duffer1;ah ok 485808;1391719001;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00086705 = 17.2976 BTC [-] 485809;1391719428;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 485810;1391719489;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00302808 = 0.109 BTC [-] {3} 485811;1391719490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.0008684 = 11.68 BTC [+] {2} 485812;1391719551;benkay;man fuck a gym. just keep free weights at your house and fuckin' use 'em. 485813;1391719598;TomServo;Dangit. I got pulled away. 485814;1391719644;nubbins`;benkay: i use the gym for the bikes in winter :) 485815;1391719648;TomServo;asciilifeform: I somehow mis-read seigniorage as sovereign, so derp on my part. But I see your point. 485816;1391719779;benkay;nubbins`: are you a cardio guy? 485817;1391719924;chipug;there's a parody keiser coin now?! 485818;1391719938;TomServo;Not sure it's a parody. 485819;1391719940;nubbins`;benkay: i'm a bike guy :D 485820;1391719984;nubbins`;too treacherous outside to ride in the winter tho, even with studded tires 485821;1391720023;benkay;i love bikes 485822;1391720060;benkay;http://www.bikeshopliquidators.com/p-34111-fat-cruiser.aspx?utm_source=GoogleShopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=AllProducts&gclid=CPOluJuxuLwCFZRsfgodezsAEg 485823;1391720061;ozbot;Fat Sand Fat Cruiser 485824;1391720085;benkay;ozbot is back! 485825;1391720087;benkay;.bait 485826;1391720089;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/5f2ca2af7c83a53319e58c2b3a485969/tumblr_mnrtopuKyi1s8tt3vo1_250.gif 485827;1391720150;nubbins`;i see a bike around town sometimes with wheels like that 485828;1391720155;nubbins`;http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/02/06/1534215/skinny-puppy-wants-compensation-for-music-used-in-us-interrogations 485829;1391720157;ozbot;Skinny Puppy Wants Compensation For Music Used in US Interrogations - Slashdot 485830;1391720167;TomServo;nubbins`: saw that, my sides. 485831;1391720168;nubbins`;^ one of canada's greatest musical exports 485832;1391720182;nubbins`;five bucks says they used BRAP vols. 3/4 485833;1391720236;nubbins`;wow, ALL the comments so far are about the "new look" of /. 485834;1391720241;nubbins`;do they even internet? 485835;1391720256;TomServo;I know, it's crazy. 485836;1391720262;TomServo;Every story. 485837;1391720539;chipug;this https://twitter.com/MaxScheisse isn't a parody?! 485838;1391720591;nubbins`;ahahahah 485839;1391720594;nubbins`;lel @ name 485840;1391720624;benkay;dudes does anyone know where the initial peers are stored in the litecoin codebase? 485841;1391720639;TomServo;chipug: Oh, hadn't seen that. I thought you meant Max's actual coin. 485842;1391720661;chipug;TomServo: no i think this just popped up today in response to maxcoin 485843;1391720684;chipug;max keiser's twitter page gives me a headache 485844;1391720691;ThickAsThieves;I swear it wasn't me! 485845;1391720698;Duffer1;hehe 485846;1391720710;chipug;ThickAsThieves: ..... you suuuure?? 485847;1391720712;chipug;lol 485848;1391720749;ThickAsThieves;:) 485849;1391720785;Duffer1;even odds it's someone from this chan 485850;1391720808;chipug;i love the banana 485851;1391720837;chipug;please put nipple tassles on him also!! 485852;1391720946;asciilifeform;from the circus: 485853;1391720947;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2014/02/robert-hoffman-docs.pdf 485854;1391720964;ThickAsThieves;[16:06] sorry for the delay..... 485855;1391720964;ThickAsThieves;[16:07] anyway, the coin is gonna rebuild with a slightly different genesis block 485856;1391720964;ThickAsThieves;[16:07] the original download can be found at coingen.io/...../761afffd_orig.zip instead of 761afffd.zip 485857;1391720964;ThickAsThieves;[16:07] well, all you have to do is figure out the genesis block change 485858;1391720964;ThickAsThieves;[16:07] but, I dont have a way to readily do that 485859;1391720964;ThickAsThieves;[16:08] but the person that dumped the genblock can? 485860;1391720964;ThickAsThieves;[16:08] sure 485861;1391721032;ThickAsThieves;http://coingen.bluematt.me/build/761afffd_orig.zip would be the landing link 485862;1391721049;ThickAsThieves;in case you still have any fight left in you pankakke ^ 485863;1391721118;pankkake;well, that won't really help me, as I only tried the genesis block change and other magic values, no renaming etc. before I was sure it worked 485864;1391721285;ThickAsThieves;maybe it was something bad about the source you worked from? 485865;1391721502;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12820001 = 0.5128 BTC [+] 485866;1391721523;chipug;asciilifeform: what was that? 485867;1391721574;asciilifeform;chipug: trial of u.s. sailor. described in http://cryptome.org/2014/02/robert-hoffman.pdf 485868;1391721625;chipug;thanks 485869;1391721634;Namworld;It looks like Bitfinex just fixed the glitch and are back in business and everyone is happy or something. 485870;1391721645;Namworld;And that nothing was stolen =/ 485871;1391721670;Namworld;Okay... I was expecting them to have long gone under. 485872;1391721685;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 303 @ 0.00300357 = 0.9101 BTC [-] {12} 485873;1391721746;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 623 @ 0.00309335 = 1.9272 BTC [+] {6} 485874;1391721777;Duffer1;or run with the money 485875;1391721807;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 376 @ 0.0031 = 1.1656 BTC [+] {2} 485876;1391721936;dexX7;there were coins stolen? 485877;1391721943;Apocalyptic;Namworld, they gonna slowly recover the stolen part with the fees and delay payouts if necessary imo 485878;1391722234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00086788 = 9.9806 BTC [-] 485879;1391722295;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00312134 = 6.2427 BTC [+] {5} 485880;1391722351;nubbins`;making dinner, recipe calls for a lightly beaten egg 485881;1391722356;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 351 @ 0.00312699 = 1.0976 BTC [+] 485882;1391722360;nubbins`;so i announce "i like my women the way i like my eggs!!" 485883;1391722368;nubbins`;wife says "lightly beaten?!" 485884;1391722373;nubbins`;and i say "no, white" 485885;1391722417;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00312699 = 0.1126 BTC [+] 485886;1391722478;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.04999991 = 1.1 BTC [-] {2} 485887;1391722983;dub;poached, scrambled and scotch? 485888;1391723007;dub;fertilised? 485889;1391723009;TomServo;mmm. scotch. 485890;1391723031;TomServo;There's a Laphroaig in my near future. 485891;1391723042;nubbins`;lovely 485892;1391723060;nubbins`;the trick with these "the way i like my women" jokes is to fool people into assuming the wrong thing 485893;1391723088;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.04070104 = 0.6105 BTC [-] {5} 485894;1391723192;nubbins`;i like my coffee the way i like my women! 485895;1391723195;nubbins`;"hot?" 485896;1391723205;nubbins`;"nope. strong, black, and slightly bitter" 485897;1391723443;pankkake;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26059710 The company also reported a net loss of $645m 485898;1391723444;ozbot;BBC News - Shares in Twitter plummet after user growth slows 485899;1391723467;ThickAsThieves;just when i started using it! 485900;1391723604;dub;its coz I stopped using twitter 485901;1391723637;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 349 @ 0.00172845 = 0.6032 BTC [-] 485902;1391724875;Rick_;any one can reach mircea? 485903;1391724973;Duffer1;anything we might be able to help you with? 485904;1391725001;Rick_;i withdrawed some btc 485905;1391725008;Rick_;but i cant reach him now 485906;1391725065;Duffer1;do you know how to send a PM? 485907;1391725082;Rick_;no 485908;1391725084;Rick_;how 485909;1391725118;Duffer1;<---double click his name, type stuff in the new window, he'll probably get back to you when he's around 485910;1391725129;dub;you could try emailing 485911;1391725130;Rick_;i used query,but he seems not there 485912;1391725162;Rick_;I emailed him yesterday,no reply yet 485913;1391725179;dub;withdrawals are not automatic in case you were wondering, usually processed daily iirc 485914;1391725187;Rick_;he is not here for last hours? 485915;1391725197;dub;;;seen mircea_popescu 485916;1391725197;gribble;mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 49 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: but anyway. got shit to do so, later. 485917;1391725223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14095 @ 0.00086853 = 12.2419 BTC [+] 485918;1391725225;Rick_;okay,thank you everyonw 485919;1391725230;Rick_;everyone 485920;1391725235;KRS-One;.bait 485921;1391725237;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/a7bf585cc9d80896b61cdd4c2b7d03d0/tumblr_mrozsgPB1j1ri7ljko1_500.jpg 485922;1391725274;pankkake;nipplelicious 485923;1391725414;KRS-One;.bait 485924;1391725416;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/dffac7160219b41f4b5d67ee3ca3f8cf/tumblr_mr9ck62xTC1qdhe8eo1_500.jpg 485925;1391725430;ThickAsThieves;pankakke, plz note pm, in case you missed it 485926;1391725438;pankkake;I saw it, I'm working 485927;1391725443;KRS-One;those are the kind of girls that when you see them wake up in the morning without the hair and makeup they look like hell 485928;1391725443;ThickAsThieves;cool cool 485929;1391725457;pankkake;actually it seems you were right, using the source from bluematt seems to WORK!! 485930;1391725465;ThickAsThieves;i jate being right 485931;1391725468;ThickAsThieves;hate 485932;1391725492;pankkake;some of the magic changed values I guessed were already changed, including the one I couldn't figure out 485933;1391725495;pankkake;and now it's syncing 485934;1391725528;ThickAsThieves;awesome 485935;1391725737;dub;Please be advised that BTC on MtGox are not fractional. 485936;1391725752;dub;we just don't have enough to cash erryone out 485937;1391725762;ThickAsThieves;but how will we send small transactions! 485938;1391725772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00086853 = 5.9929 BTC [+] 485939;1391725777;ThickAsThieves;guess we'll have to use altcoins 485940;1391725801;dub;Im long doge 485941;1391725804;dub;in anticipation 485942;1391725877;benkay;in case your curious what kind of work i do, client number one just cut over and emerged from embargo 485943;1391725879;benkay;you're 485944;1391725884;benkay;http://plantlust.com 485945;1391725911;ThickAsThieves;you build carts? 485946;1391725923;dub;you fuck plants? 485947;1391725932;truffles;you're curious? 485948;1391725934;ThickAsThieves;well i'm vegan at least 485949;1391725939;truffles;oh no 485950;1391725963;benkay;we dragged the frontend kicking and screaming into 2014, dragged an ancient django application from 1.2 to 1.4, delivered myriad performance improvements totalling in excess of 10x across the whole stack, and implemented distributed work queues to decrease the risk of large data processing jobs 485951;1391725991;ThickAsThieves;it looks nice 485952;1391726012;mike_c;why 1.4 instead of 1.6? 485953;1391726021;ThickAsThieves;i wouldnt even feel scammed if i sent them money 485954;1391726056;ThickAsThieves;hmm it's not even a cart 485955;1391726059;benkay;the next development iteration is going to focus on putting a 'buy' button next to each plant, redesigning the remaining pages that look like they're from 2006, taking people's money when they do click buy and turning into a plant on their doorstep, using the 56+ nurseries the site owner already has relationships with for distributed development 485956;1391726060;ThickAsThieves;oops 485957;1391726070;ThickAsThieves;ah 485958;1391726080;KRS-One;fuck plants, they are boring. 485959;1391726083;benkay;distributed fulfillment 485960;1391726103;mike_c;boring is good. no scooping poop. 485961;1391726106;truffles;plants take work man 485962;1391726115;Duffer1;infinite scroll would be nice 485963;1391726143;benkay;1.4 was necessary for some particular features, i forget what precisely. chose to not go all the way to 1.6 to mitigate risk. 485964;1391726147;benkay;oh yeah, did i mention the stack automation and rearchitecture? 485965;1391726175;Duffer1;it's a great looking sight though, i love the homepage 485966;1391726176;benkay;there was enough risk in this project that 1.6 made me uncomfortable and i stopped the upgrade at the release that bought us the features we needed. 485967;1391726202;truffles;they should have a subcategory "exotic plants" 485968;1391726204;benkay;thanks! the owner did the wires and we implemented it. 485969;1391726217;benkay;anyways, we have availability for other projects. 485970;1391726219;mike_c;i upgraded to 1.6 recently without many bumps. but i think i went from 1.4, so less risk 485971;1391726223;truffles;fruits* 485972;1391726378;ThickAsThieves;benkay, have you ever done anything in online education software 485973;1391726392;mike_c;bitcointalk is unusable. if only they had thousands of btc to improve the site with. 485974;1391726419;benkay;i've played with plenty. 485975;1391726443;benkay;is there something specific to the online education software domain that's not applicable to general webappery? 485976;1391726453;ThickAsThieves;nope 485977;1391726480;benkay;what are you curious about? 485978;1391726483;ThickAsThieves;just having a bad run with the team on it 485979;1391726492;ThickAsThieves;and the two before that 485980;1391726503;benkay;ouch 485981;1391726506;benkay;what's the stack? 485982;1391726515;ThickAsThieves;i'm pretty far removed from it now 485983;1391726520;ThickAsThieves;it's LAMP 485984;1391726520;truffles;http://plantlust.com/plants/solanum-muricatum/ wonder how this tastes , looks interesting 485985;1391726522;ozbot;Solanum muricatum | Pepino Dulce | Pear Melon | Sweet Cucumber| plant lust 485986;1391726526;ThickAsThieves;PHP 485987;1391726564;benkay;phpbrekla's your man for that 485988;1391726588;ThickAsThieves;he'd probly cry at this code 485989;1391726597;dub;I heard tux might be in the market 485990;1391726608;benkay;company line on php is "we're only interested in the project if the client is prepared to make a large investment in moving away from php" 485991;1391726629;benkay;that said we can always manage a project and assemble a team for the right price. 485992;1391726636;benkay;there is a php fee tho :( 485993;1391726652;ThickAsThieves;the investment, in my eyes, would be in a team that can be counted on and is proficient 485994;1391726663;ThickAsThieves;the PHP is incidental 485995;1391726672;pankkake;I used to be in a php shop, but we did pass twice on a project that was simply… impossible to comprehend 485996;1391726676;ThickAsThieves;of course cost determines all in the end 485997;1391726711;ThickAsThieves;they are finally installing the new version of the software onto a live server this week 485998;1391726715;ThickAsThieves;after like 18mos 485999;1391726742;benkay;ka yikes 486000;1391726757;benkay;first thing we typically do is set up infrastructure, CI and low-friction deploys. 486001;1391726757;ThickAsThieves;and I had bigger plans for it, so it needs ongoing work 486002;1391726762;jurov;https://www.quakenet.org/articles/102-press-release-irc-networks-under-systematic-attack-from-governments 486003;1391726809;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11844 @ 0.00086853 = 10.2869 BTC [+] 486004;1391726812;truffles;too free? 486005;1391726837;benkay;There is a clear need for governments to be able to hold internet users accountable for their actions if they are engaged in performing or supporting illegal activities. 486006;1391726839;benkay;my ass 486007;1391726862;truffles;end of irc? 486008;1391726862;benkay;there is a clear need for networks that route around governments. 486009;1391726890;dub;cracknet at it again 486010;1391726929;benkay;anyways, thanks for enduring my pitch, -assets. 486011;1391726938;truffles;http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/oct/08/april-jones-matthew-woods-jailed makes me think of this 486012;1391726940;ozbot;April Jones: Matthew Woods jailed over explicit Facebook comments | UK news | The Guardian 486013;1391726943;Duffer1;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2014#476255 486014;1391726946;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 486015;1391726962;ThickAsThieves;benkay i was considering a business path of: 1. Implement and use it with this school, work out bugs, add anything obviously needed 2. Approach several clients in other training fields (Hazardous Goods Shipping for example) and offer hosted solutions, making the software cater to more industries 3. Convert to SaaS DIY Training Lesson Builder 486016;1391727006;ThickAsThieves;it's been a while since i looked into possible competition though 486017;1391727013;benkay;sounds like a great model 486018;1391727043;benkay;eh i wouldn't worry about competition. instead, focus on landing clients, making them happy and taking their money. 486019;1391727082;ThickAsThieves;well as things form i may hit you up for costing 486020;1391727179;dub;Duffer1: oh boy 486021;1391727236;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0031191 = 0.3119 BTC [+] {2} 486022;1391727261;dub;wake up the philosoraptor 486023;1391727302;truffles;" we have contacted or been contacted by law enforcement agencies and provided our co-operation" but why :( 486024;1391727307;truffles;irc srs biz 486025;1391727329;ThickAsThieves;whats that truffles? 486026;1391727358;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 49 @ 0.0031 = 0.1519 BTC [-] 486027;1391727369;truffles;didnt know these networks would invovle law into matters with users 486028;1391727403;Duffer1;TaT it's from Jurov's link above 486029;1391727426;Duffer1;GCHQ ddosing irc 486030;1391727452;jayk;government? 486031;1391727462;jayk;yeah quakenet 486032;1391727465;jayk;lame 486033;1391727724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10465 @ 0.00087194 = 9.1249 BTC [+] 486034;1391728029;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 132 @ 0.00084299 = 0.1113 BTC [+] 486035;1391728090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00086976 = 7.6539 BTC [-] {2} 486036;1391728395;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 130 @ 0.00084299 = 0.1096 BTC [+] 486037;1391728469;pankkake;[2014-02-07 00:11:21] Network difficulty changed to 62.7k (449.0Gh/s) 486038;1391728491;pankkake;I guess I should still be able to find blocks solo 486039;1391728632;dub;doge? 486040;1391728648;pankkake;Altcoin 486041;1391728869;KRS-One;U guys ready for teh pump 486042;1391728898;KRS-One;lol@sturles 486043;1391729066;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00301007 = 0.1084 BTC [-] {2} 486044;1391729090;ThickAsThieves;sourcecodez! https://github.com/therealaltcoin/altcoin 486045;1391729116;ThickAsThieves;someone plz confirm i github'd that right 486046;1391729121;ThickAsThieves;i'm a newb 486047;1391729127;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 289 @ 0.00300075 = 0.8672 BTC [-] {3} 486048;1391729188;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.0030003 = 3.0003 BTC [-] 486049;1391729195;pankkake;that works 486050;1391729202;ThickAsThieves;cool 486051;1391729615;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00311964 = 0.1248 BTC [+] 486052;1391729859;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00086813 = 12.067 BTC [-] 486053;1391730280;dub;need to make another build box 486054;1391730320;dub;can't play with the other kids 486055;1391730469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00086782 = 15.7509 BTC [-] {2} 486056;1391731201;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 300 @ 0.005 = 1.5 BTC 486057;1391731384;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.129 = 0.645 BTC [+] 486058;1391731662;herbijudlestoids;hullos 486059;1391731835;ThickAsThieves;hi 486060;1391731934;herbijudlestoids;woah nelly! 486061;1391732055;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04837803 = 0.4838 BTC [-] 486062;1391732088;herbijudlestoids;http://imgur.com/ywEtbit,t5FOySy,fGcgGH1,eSixHLf distribution, vols, volume, DPO 486063;1391732089;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 486064;1391732096;herbijudlestoids;hectic..what happened to MPOE 486065;1391732118;KRS-One;Pussy Riot was on Colbert Report today 486066;1391732138;KRS-One;something sexy about the cryllic language spoken by young hot womens. 486067;1391732141;KRS-One;.bait 486068;1391732142;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me7d310VZ81ql928yo1_500.png 486069;1391732237;herbijudlestoids;was there a dividend payout or something? 486070;1391732241;pankkake;http://beta.slashdot.org/story/197851 486071;1391732243;ozbot;Wozniak To Apple: Consider Building an Android Phone - Slashdot 486072;1391732298;Duffer1;still wouldn't buy it 486073;1391732354;ThickAsThieves;Wozniak To Apple: Aren't You Glad I'm Not Your Boss? 486074;1391732360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.0008678 = 11.8889 BTC [-] {2} 486075;1391732386;pankkake;.bait quality bait lately 486076;1391732388;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mefeijiE8y1ra0mryo1_500.jpg 486077;1391732395;pankkake;:( 486078;1391732398;ThickAsThieves;jinxed it 486079;1391732482;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04837802 = 0.2419 BTC [-] 486080;1391733221;herbijudlestoids;so KRS-One did bitfinex come good last night? or still busted? 486081;1391733240;ThickAsThieves;some lols: 486082;1391733247;ThickAsThieves;This https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=451897.msg4981819#msg4981819 and 486083;1391733256;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=451897.msg4985587#msg4985587 486084;1391733258;ozbot;iPhone 5 phones destroyed in protest against Apple's anti-Bitcoin actions 486085;1391733397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00086813 = 10.8516 BTC [+] 486086;1391733628;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: lel 486087;1391733819;punkman1;"There iz only one good substitute for the endearments ov a sister, and that iz the endearments ov sum other pheller's sister." 486088;1391733829;punkman1;.bait 486089;1391733831;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/4ef65f4b99ad049395011dcd2f0a16a9/tumblr_min8n9s0uN1rbc3jyo1_500.jpg 486090;1391734373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00086705 = 1.7341 BTC [-] 486091;1391734495;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1350 @ 0.00311923 = 4.211 BTC [+] {13} 486092;1391734501;benkay;if you're upset about apple not allowing bitcoins on the iphone, you understand neither apple's business models nor bitcoin. 486093;1391734556;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00312349 = 3.1235 BTC [+] {2} 486094;1391734673;wao-ender;price rush 486095;1391734683;wao-ender;.bait 486096;1391734685;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/4f372e02b4a81a3a23c1a0df6b2ea957/tumblr_miqpsg71IJ1r8825ko1_500.jpg 486097;1391734714;wao-ender;ThickAsThieves: lol 486098;1391734800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00086813 = 13.0654 BTC [+] 486099;1391735152;pankkake;nice tittoo 486100;1391735474;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=451897.msg4986222#msg4986222 486101;1391735476;ozbot;iPhone 5 phones destroyed in protest against Apple's anti-Bitcoin actions 486102;1391735489;benkay;dumb and dumberer. 486103;1391735524;nubbins`;with updated graph 486104;1391735537;benkay;nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2014#486092 486105;1391735559;nubbins`;benkay, +1 486106;1391736003;sypher_;hi all 486107;1391736023;Duffer1;hello sir 486108;1391736082;benkay;good evening 486109;1391736203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00086813 = 22.3978 BTC [+] 486110;1391736245;sypher_;any hindsight on whats happening now? 486111;1391736253;benkay;;;ticker --market btcavg 486112;1391736254;gribble;BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 771.23, Best ask: 773.38, Bid-ask spread: 2.15000, Last trade: 772.88, 24 hour volume: 56992.51, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 798.18 486113;1391736264;benkay;gox is falling apart and everyone's trying to cover? 486114;1391736275;sypher_;aight. 486115;1391736284;benkay;dunno man ask a speculator 486116;1391736298;sypher_;was looking at the gox graph of cleared transactions, few minutes ago they started clearing them in bulk ... 486117;1391736302;sypher_;or pretending to do so. 486118;1391736322;benkay;how would they go about pretending to clear them? 486119;1391736360;sypher_;graph data is coming off their servers afaik. 486120;1391736512;herbijudlestoids;sypher_: got a link to the graph? 486121;1391736524;sypher_;http://coinsight.org/mtgox.html 486122;1391736525;ozbot;Mt.Gox Withdrawals - Coinsight.org 486123;1391736645;benkay;dat average withdrawal size lol 486124;1391736648;benkay;"ATTENTION ALL MINNOWS. POOL IS CLOSED." 486125;1391736752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14170 @ 0.00086705 = 12.2861 BTC [-] 486126;1391736812;herbijudlestoids;sypher_: thoughts? 486127;1391736813;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7386 @ 0.00012998 = 0.96 BTC [+] {4} 486128;1391736821;herbijudlestoids;to me it looks like they have been clearing the smaller transactions 486129;1391736828;herbijudlestoids;that is why the avg withdrawal transaction amount is going down 486130;1391736864;sypher_;herbijudlestoids, i'm just a noob so i may have completely wrong thoughts. 486131;1391736905;sypher_;I'm thinking that big ones are playing to make it go down so they can buy in cheaper, having it rebound later 486132;1391736938;herbijudlestoids;well they can already buy it on bitstamp or other exchanges for significantly cheaper than the mtgox price 486133;1391736961;sypher_;not talking mtgox 486134;1391736974;sypher_;looking at btce and bitstamp 486135;1391736993;herbijudlestoids;err no, i meant opinions on the withdrawal transactoins...nevermind 486136;1391737002;sypher_;sorry, told you, noobish. 486137;1391737003;sypher_;:) 486138;1391737039;sypher_;was just here to try and understand that pattern there ;) 486139;1391737052;herbijudlestoids;which pattern where 486140;1391737094;sypher_;btce, big sell orders that aren't getting fulfilled, seems to me that many are panic selling under those and thats driving it down quite a bit 486141;1391737151;sypher_;then the big sell order gets cancelled and put at a lower price, but not getting fulfilled... doing like that since 165 earlier. 486142;1391737163;sypher_;765 sorry. 486143;1391737183;herbijudlestoids;ignore the orders in the book 486144;1391737188;herbijudlestoids;real volume hits the market directly 486145;1391737192;nubbins`;fun fact, if you have btc or usd in mtgox, you're part of the problem! :D 486146;1391737222;sypher_;glad i don't have them then :-) just bought in at 162 on btce, now I'm in almost panic selling mode. :D 486147;1391737294;herbijudlestoids;sypher_: my guess is its much simpler and that the price on the shitty exchanges is going down to match the price on the good exchanges 486148;1391737301;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.00013001 = 0.455 BTC [+] 486149;1391737311;sypher_;herbijudlestoids, name a couple good exchanges? 486150;1391737321;nubbins`;^ trick question 486151;1391737329;sypher_;lol, why is that nubbins` ? 486152;1391737340;nubbins`;obvious answer is correct one ;D 486153;1391737347;sypher_;haha. :) 486154;1391737350;herbijudlestoids;the ones clearing transactions successfully, at high volume and with no regulatory issues 486155;1391737371;herbijudlestoids;check the bid/ask spread to see which has the narrowest and most liquid spread 486156;1391737382;sypher_;seems like naming them is out of the etiquette here, sorry for the question, didn't know 486157;1391737383;sypher_;will do 486158;1391737392;nubbins`;i kid 486159;1391737397;herbijudlestoids;its not out of etiquette, i dunno for sure so im not gonna name a name 486160;1391737399;Duffer1;the point was there aren't any to name hehe 486161;1391737401;nubbins`;implication is that there aren't good exchanges, just varying degrees of shitty 486162;1391737426;herbijudlestoids;like i said, you can verify quantitatively by analysis of the bdi/ask spread 486163;1391737453;sypher_;ah, got you guys, thanks for the hand holding 486164;1391737503;herbijudlestoids;on mtgox right now the spread is $5, bitfinex $0 bitstamp $2, btc $1 and icbit $4 486165;1391737521;herbijudlestoids;so i would just discard mtgox and icbit for analysis, concentrate on the liquidity of the spread for bitfinex and bitstamp 486166;1391737541;herbijudlestoids;err s/btc/btce 486167;1391737545;sypher_;why excluding btce? 486168;1391737562;sypher_;i mean, why only bitfinex and bistamp, not btce? 486169;1391737570;herbijudlestoids;^ 486170;1391737584;herbijudlestoids;i did include btce sorry, there was a typo 486171;1391737595;herbijudlestoids;use yer brain 486172;1391737614;sypher_;;) i meant on the one that you would concentrate ;) 486173;1391737660;herbijudlestoids;use your brain, interpret what im saying. dont let a typo trip you up 486174;1391737676;sypher_;aight :) 486175;1391738021;herbijudlestoids;i feel like the space left by http://casascius.com/ and coldcoins is an interesting space 486176;1391738060;herbijudlestoids;any thoughts on what it might take to do it right? 486177;1391738100;Duffer1;don't live in the US? 486178;1391738105;sypher_;lol 486179;1391738117;herbijudlestoids;i dont 486180;1391738151;Duffer1;comply with your local money transmitter laws and you're probably ok 486181;1391738199;herbijudlestoids;so, sell on darkmarkets instead? lol 486182;1391738236;punkman1;why do you think physical coins are interesting? 486183;1391738252;herbijudlestoids;not so much physical coins as metal (i.e. fireproof) cold storage 486184;1391738287;herbijudlestoids;i think its interesting because its a necessary dimension for all who might want to save bitcoins securely for a long duration 486185;1391738313;punkman1;I don't see the advantage 486186;1391738313;herbijudlestoids;where is mircea_popescu when you need him 486187;1391738336;herbijudlestoids;punkman1: advantage over...a USB key? 486188;1391738347;sypher_;herbijudlestoids, wouldn't it just be simpler to print it yourself instead of a metal trinket with an embedded key somewhere? 486189;1391738350;punkman1;sure 486190;1391738360;herbijudlestoids;sypher_: if you print it, ink fades, paper burns, etc 486191;1391738379;herbijudlestoids;punkman1: well lets say i put 1,000 BTC into a USB key and encrypt it securely etc and then my house burns down 486192;1391738396;punkman1;why would you not have a backup of that? 486193;1391738408;Duffer1;casc coins don't solve that herb hehe 486194;1391738419;sypher_;herbijudlestoids, chroma life 100years, printed on photographic paper; USB key with a backup in a bank safety box 486195;1391738424;herbijudlestoids;Duffer1: les casc and more cold in that use case 486196;1391738432;Duffer1;mill out a qr code on aluminum would do nicely 486197;1391738485;sypher_;but i do like the idea of metal coins; if only, as 'ego' items ... 486198;1391738488;punkman1;herbijudlestoids: I think it's a solution looking for a problem 486199;1391738523;sypher_;i also dig the usb - bit coin enabled key on almost human tv series :-) 486200;1391738548;herbijudlestoids;punkman1: appreciate the opinion :) 486201;1391738555;herbijudlestoids;its well out of my realm of understanding 486202;1391738603;punkman1;it's pretty much the same as backing up any other piece of data 486203;1391738617;punkman1;if your house burns down, you got fetch it from the offsite backup 486204;1391738618;herbijudlestoids;i guess i get what youre saying, that having the wallet files stored in multiple locations securely is probly as good as a cold storage device itself 486205;1391738650;punkman1;wallet file, long brainwallet key, whatever 486206;1391738654;herbijudlestoids;yea 486207;1391738973;sypher_;and I'm back in fiat. 486208;1391739070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8873 @ 0.00086703 = 7.6932 BTC [-] {2} 486209;1391739314;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 94 @ 0.00313499 = 0.2947 BTC [-] 486210;1391739673;nubbins`;herbijudlestoids: an embossed labelmaker with some aluminum ribbon, say 486211;1391740249;herbijudlestoids;nubbins`: why not, for example, laser engraving direct to steel? 486212;1391740264;asciilifeform;simple recipe: 486213;1391740267;asciilifeform;etch a circuit board 486214;1391740268;nubbins`;sure, bit of a higher barrier to entry. 486215;1391740274;nubbins`;i don't have a laser 486216;1391740274;asciilifeform;about $50 in supplies 486217;1391740290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00086813 = 6.0769 BTC [+] 486218;1391740303;asciilifeform;fiberglass will last centuries, copper might corrode but will still be readable. 486219;1391740308;asciilifeform;(gold plate it if you want to be sure.) 486220;1391740317;nubbins`;don't you need caustic chemicals for that? 486221;1391740321;herbijudlestoids;but how does it handle in a fire asciilifeform? :D 486222;1391740321;asciilifeform;nope 486223;1391740332;asciilifeform;handles great in fire. 486224;1391740341;asciilifeform;will look very ugly but keep its shape. 486225;1391740342;nubbins`;hm, i'm obviously not up to speed 486226;1391740345;herbijudlestoids;hmmm, i havent etched a board since i was in high school 486227;1391740351;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 27 @ 0.005 = 0.135 BTC 486228;1391740352;asciilifeform;ferric chloride will do 486229;1391740374;nubbins`;wait, you said no corrosive chems! 486230;1391740438;asciilifeform;corrosive to copper, that's it 486231;1391740462;nubbins`;not manflesh? 486232;1391740468;asciilifeform;not particularly. 486233;1391740470;asciilifeform;don't eat it. 486234;1391740489;nubbins`;interesting 486235;1391741073;pankkake;http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/02/07/apple-approves-dogecoin-wallet-app-ios/ 486236;1391741106;ThickAsThieves;lol 486237;1391741107;sypher_;http://rt.com/business/bitcoin-russia-use-ban-942/ 486238;1391741130;ThickAsThieves;read-only 486239;1391741172;sypher_;russia seems gone >_> 486240;1391741185;nubbins`;mydoge on ios 486241;1391741187;nubbins`;ah, my sides 486242;1391741196;nubbins`;smash all the things! 486243;1391741202;asciilifeform;meanwhile, http://rt.com/usa/us-postal-service-bitcoin-780/ 486244;1391741234;nubbins`;^ read that, actually not bad 486245;1391741246;nubbins`;canada post already sells numismatic coins from the mint 486246;1391741275;nubbins`;and postal money orders, of course 486247;1391741279;nubbins`;so it's not a huge leap 486248;1391741312;sypher_;was reading about the USPS but its just a few talks atm, even the article itself is cautious 486249;1391741409;nubbins`;nod 486250;1391741413;nubbins`;high-level meeting 486251;1391741587;KRS-One;such wow. much credibility. 486252;1391741588;KRS-One;http://rt.com/usa/us-postal-service-bitcoin-780/ 486253;1391741610;nubbins`;KRS-One, scroll up nine lines. 486254;1391741876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4882 @ 0.00086813 = 4.2382 BTC [+] 486255;1391742181;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 21 @ 0.005 = 0.105 BTC {2} 486256;1391742327;nubbins`;http://silvergoldbull.com/silver/1-oz-2014-bitcon-silver-round 486257;1391742328;ozbot;Silver Gold Bull - 1 oz 2014 BitCON Silver Round - Silver 486258;1391742328;nubbins`;heh 486259;1391742348;nubbins`;another lame round from Silver Beatoff Silver Shit 486260;1391742494;sypher_;uff, when's it gonna stop falling ... i wanna go to sleep! ... >_> 486261;1391742578;herbijudlestoids;sypher_: what kind of games are you playing that youre losing sleep over the movement 486262;1391742637;sypher_;nothing, just excited to see the troll box on BTCe with all the boys shouting ... i just wanna buy back in when its gonna stop fallin; exited at a loss some time ago. 486263;1391742703;herbijudlestoids;what price did you want to buy at? 486264;1391742741;sypher_;722 would be my target 486265;1391742826;herbijudlestoids;why not do a options spread on MPex? short the 722 puts 486266;1391742840;herbijudlestoids;and long whatever appropriately derisks you 486267;1391742851;herbijudlestoids;price goes to 722 and you get exercised, if not collect premium 486268;1391742852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00086838 = 8.5101 BTC [+] {2} 486269;1391742966;sypher_;you're way over my understanding grade. I'm at the 'buy low; sell high' phase; which i could translate in 'i'm an idiot'. :-) 486270;1391743064;herbijudlestoids;options give you the right but not the obligation to long/short the underlying asset at a given strike price and date ...e.g the option to long BTCUSD at 1000 regardless of the price as of Jan 2014 486271;1391743096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00086849 = 6.4268 BTC [+] 486272;1391743098;herbijudlestoids;option to long is a call, option to short is a put. if you sell a put, youre selling the right for someone to short at a given price 486273;1391743131;herbijudlestoids;so you sell someone the contract which gives them the right to short BTCUSD at 722. they will never exercise this contract unless the price is <= 722 486274;1391743149;KRS-One;heh thanks nubbins` 486275;1391743155;nubbins`;:D 486276;1391743161;KRS-One;oops 486277;1391743163;herbijudlestoids;if the contract expires or the price doesnt go below 722, you get to keep the "premium", the cost of the contract you sold 486278;1391743181;herbijudlestoids;if it does, then they exercise and short BTCUSD at 722, leaving you long BTCUSD at 722 486279;1391743241;herbijudlestoids;i dun know if MPEX supports naked short the contracts, looks like they only allow you to do what they call a SPLIT order, otherwise known as an options spread, so you short the 722 puts and long some distant strike call, like 1000 calls. 486280;1391743278;nubbins`;sorry for the stupid question, but i'm exceptionally thick with this sort of thing 486281;1391743286;nubbins`;that orgy of puts that was purchased the other day 486282;1391743302;nubbins`;purchaser is expecting btc to fall below ~500 or whatever it was? 486283;1391743335;herbijudlestoids;its impossible to tell really 486284;1391743345;herbijudlestoids;they could be insuring long contracts on another exchange or other options 486285;1391743366;herbijudlestoids;maybe they hold 1000BTC on bitstamp and want to insure against the price going below 500 486286;1391743369;nubbins`;slightly different question, purchaser profits if btc falls below 500? 486287;1391743387;herbijudlestoids;depends entirely on implied vol 486288;1391743389;nubbins`;just based on those actions 486289;1391743415;herbijudlestoids;if the price goes to 500 but IV when puts were purchased was at 50% and goes down to 20% then the puts might still be worthless 486290;1391743431;benkay;herbijudlestoids: no naked shorts on MPEx. 486291;1391743440;herbijudlestoids;value of option includes delta, theta, vega etc 486292;1391743456;sypher_;herbijudlestoids, thanks for the explanation, I'm trying to get my head around it 486293;1391743508;herbijudlestoids;nubbins`: buying puts tends to be more of a call on IV than anything else...term structure also plays a part in profit, take a look at the NYSE listed VXX ETF versus VIX for an example of what term structure being in contango can do to a rolling IV long 486294;1391743519;dexX7;huh wasn't it the other way around aka. this guy sold puts? 486295;1391743529;herbijudlestoids;well, someone obviously sold the puts to the buyer 486296;1391743530;nubbins`;D: 486297;1391743550;herbijudlestoids;if there is no naked puts then they must have been written against something 486298;1391743550;dexX7;the guyer was mpex/oe? 486299;1391743585;herbijudlestoids;i doubt its possible to know 486300;1391743590;nubbins`;afaik mpoe uses bond deposits to back options 486301;1391743620;nubbins`;although i'm barely at the level of understanding what i just said 486302;1391743635;herbijudlestoids;no i think youre correct, but i dont know anything about it specifically 486303;1391743636;dexX7;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2014#479337 486304;1391743640;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 486305;1391743660;herbijudlestoids;yea 486306;1391743713;dexX7;soo.. if i understand correctly, when the price goes up, this guy wins, right? 486307;1391743721;dexX7;just to be sure hehe 486308;1391743754;nubbins`;no idea anymore 486309;1391743762;herbijudlestoids;so the trader is shorting BTCUSD 500 puts 486310;1391743792;herbijudlestoids;the trade is a bet on IV being high and leveling off or going down, and that they wont get exercised (i.e. the price wont go below 500) 486311;1391743842;herbijudlestoids;if BTCUSD goes to 1200 in 1s then IV will go up and the value of the puts will increase commensurately...when puts are fare OTM (out of the money) then their intrinsic value is mostly comprised of IV 486312;1391743878;herbijudlestoids;if BTCUSD stays at 750 for 2 weeks without budging and IV goes down then the value of the puts goes down and whoever short them profits 486313;1391743891;herbijudlestoids;IV==implied volatility 486314;1391743912;herbijudlestoids;am i making sense? 486315;1391743925;herbijudlestoids;the value of the option isnt dependent just on price 486316;1391743929;nubbins`;you're talking about a foot above my head here, but the failing is mine, not yours 486317;1391743981;sypher_;nubbins`, think about how i feel; knowing that you're a whole 2 legs over my head. :-) 486318;1391744000;nubbins`;i'm a tall man :D 486319;1391744026;herbijudlestoids;there is no set in stone method to calculate the value of an option. there is the black scholes model which has its proponents and detractors. regardless of which model you use, there is a bunch of standard inputs called the greeks 486320;1391744035;nubbins`;sure 486321;1391744068;herbijudlestoids;delta, vega, theta, rho 486322;1391744086;herbijudlestoids;there is also some others like lambda and gamma, depending on your model 486323;1391744108;herbijudlestoids;now aside from all of this, there is the current market price that the options are worth 486324;1391744121;herbijudlestoids;lets stick with the example of a JAN 2015 $2000 BTCUSD CALL 486325;1391744123;nubbins`;okay 486326;1391744153;herbijudlestoids;the market price of the options "imply" what the market is considering the value of those greeks will be at settlement 486327;1391744191;nubbins`;the greeks are seismographs, for lack of a better analogy, correct? 486328;1391744192;herbijudlestoids;does that make sense? the market price of any given option might be very far away from what your model reckons it should be 486329;1391744194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00086849 = 8.7283 BTC [+] 486330;1391744216;nubbins`;yes, sure 486331;1391744218;herbijudlestoids;so the market is implying, forecasting, trying to get the best price for what they think the options are worth 486332;1391744239;herbijudlestoids;the forecast isnt just for where the price of BTCUSD will be relativeto $2000 in a years time 486333;1391744253;herbijudlestoids;its also forecasting vega, delta etc 486334;1391744268;herbijudlestoids;some of the greeks are numeric values that you can simply calculate, like theta, which is the time value of the option. 486335;1391744293;herbijudlestoids;depending how far ITM/OTM (in the money or out of the money) the option is depends on what the market price of the option actually consists of 486336;1391744332;herbijudlestoids;for example, if the option is far OTM (e.g. the price of BTCUSD is $1 and the call is for $2000) then the value of the option will consist mostly of vega and theta (which is decaying as time goes on) 486337;1391744350;nubbins`;is it fair to say that the price of a given option indicates not only an expectation of price, but of volatility? 486338;1391744363;herbijudlestoids;like i said, depends how far ITM/OTM 486339;1391744373;benkay;yes. that is a core valuation principle. 486340;1391744382;benkay;sometimes a heavier factor than other times. 486341;1391744414;herbijudlestoids;now options have some synthetic equivalency 486342;1391744437;sypher_;uhm. 486343;1391744466;sypher_;herbijudlestoids, nubbins`, got an account at gox? 486344;1391744467;herbijudlestoids;i.e. shorting a $2000 call has the same/similar payoff profile (at settlement) to long $2000 put 486345;1391744471;herbijudlestoids;sypher_: no 486346;1391744476;herbijudlestoids;i own 0.02BTC 486347;1391744491;sypher_;there's a kinda bad news I'm reading on the troll box 486348;1391744497;herbijudlestoids;pastebin it 486349;1391744501;sypher_;gox hacked 486350;1391744506;herbijudlestoids;pastebin! 486351;1391744507;sypher_;https://twitter.com/revishere/status/431604103769104384 486352;1391744531;copumpkin;isn't that hte old one? 486353;1391744555;ozbot;Twitter / revishere: RT @deletesec: @MtGox ... 486354;1391744564;nubbins`;that tweet is from yesterday 486355;1391744586;nubbins`;and to answer your question, no, i don't have an account at gox 486356;1391744606;copumpkin;the tweet might be 486357;1391744610;copumpkin;but is the list ancient? 486358;1391744627;dexX7;it's the old one from 2011 486359;1391744630;dexX7;matches one to one 486360;1391744630;copumpkin;yeah 486361;1391744649;sypher_;then fake >_> 486362;1391744678;dexX7;yup fake. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94308.0 if you want to compare the lists 486363;1391744679;herbijudlestoids;nubbins`: need more or make sense now? 486364;1391744701;nubbins`;herbijudlestoids, that clarifies things a bit, but i think what i really need is to visit the library 486365;1391744748;herbijudlestoids;nubbins`: there is this awesome blogger bill luby, he does vixandmore.blogspot.com ...hardcore options geekery explained for the masses. 486366;1391744757;herbijudlestoids;mostly for regular markets but its all the same maths 486367;1391744771;nubbins`;ah, like the Scientific American of finance 486368;1391744830;herbijudlestoids;i actually got a kickass long vol model for NYSE index ETFs, probly wouldnt work on MPex 486369;1391744875;mike_c;nubbins, options are entirely about volatility. option pricing is "known", with volatility being the only variable in the equation. 486370;1391744887;herbijudlestoids;nubbins`: one last point is that you can build positions that are much more dependent on IV than price, for example if i buy a call and buy a put for the same strike and expiry 486371;1391744934;herbijudlestoids;mike_c: err, well the underlying price isnt known :P 486372;1391744950;mike_c;strike price is known, spot price is known 486373;1391744956;mike_c;IV is the only variable 486374;1391745127;herbijudlestoids;lemme know how your IV only model works if MPBOR decides to move or whatever 486375;1391745208;mike_c;:) are you saying mpbor is a risk-free interest rate? 486376;1391745269;herbijudlestoids;well in the case of MPex options are you saying there is no rho? 486377;1391745292;herbijudlestoids;is the market so locally inefficient that price forecasting ability plays no role in alpha generation? 486378;1391745295;herbijudlestoids;i doubt 486379;1391745310;benkay;lol mpbonds risk free 486380;1391745370;nubbins`;^ 486381;1391745458;mike_c;sry herb, yes. i am saying rho=0 486382;1391745560;herbijudlestoids;well in that case ok 486383;1391745902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00086849 = 5.8189 BTC [+] 486384;1391745963;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.496 = 0.992 BTC [-] {2} 486385;1391746024;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [+] 486386;1391746292;nubbins`;;;seen thestringpuller 486387;1391746293;gribble;thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 3 days, 8 hours, 1 minute, and 56 seconds ago: ;;ticker 486388;1391747122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5294 @ 0.00086763 = 4.5932 BTC [-] 486389;1391747362;mod6;$vwap ^OIX 486390;1391747363;mpexbot;mod6: ^OIX 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 106.61730011 high: 106.48204971 low: 122.22370491 volume: 1556 btc: 33.85537371 30 day: no data 486391;1391747549;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.003135 = 0.1944 BTC [+] 486392;1391748586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8880 @ 0.00086849 = 7.7122 BTC [+] 486393;1391749501;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4705 @ 0.00086763 = 4.0822 BTC [-] 486394;1391749622;benkay;do you know what's a horrible protocol? the bitcoin network protocol. that's a horrible protocol. 486395;1391749652;benkay;leastaways horribly specified on the wiki 486396;1391749653;benkay;maybe i better dig into the satoshi emails or something. 486397;1391750782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17535 @ 0.0008696 = 15.2484 BTC [+] {2} 486398;1391750904;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 260 @ 0.005 = 1.3 BTC 486399;1391751816;herbijudlestoids;yey 486400;1391751914;guest_____;!help 486401;1391751914;assbot;List of commands: 486402;1391751915;assbot;!ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t} 486403;1391751916;assbot;!last (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l} 486404;1391751917;assbot;!mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order) 486405;1391751918;assbot;!rules (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r} 486406;1391751919;assbot;!exchanges (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e} 486407;1391751920;assbot;!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com) 486408;1391751921;assbot;!bash (desc: bashes last lines to bash) {short: !b} 486409;1391751922;assbot;!quote (desc: quotes last lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q} 486410;1391752193;herbijudlestoids;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-06/high-frequency-bitcoins-hft-firms-now-accepting-btc-payment 486411;1391752195;ozbot;High Frequency Bitcoins: HFT Firms Now Accepting BTC Payment | Zero Hedge 486412;1391752217;herbijudlestoids;GoCoin is racking up a lot of wins recently it seems 486413;1391752368;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04999991 = 0.5 BTC [+] {2} 486414;1391752429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00086763 = 4.6852 BTC [-] 486415;1391752499;Chaaang-Noi;these fucking alts are everywhere 486416;1391752519;Chaaang-Noi;i assume gocoin is an alt... if so kill it with fire 486417;1391752711;Namworld;hey chaaang, long time no see 486418;1391752758;Chaaang-Noi;hi:) 486419;1391752760;Chaaang-Noi;been busy 486420;1391752789;Chaaang-Noi;you have bitvps right? 486421;1391753146;herbijudlestoids;gocoin appears to be a payment processor competing against bitpay 486422;1391753191;Chaaang-Noi;ok 486423;1391753204;Chaaang-Noi;i like bitpay but im glad there are other options 486424;1391753273;herbijudlestoids;i had never heard of it, but in the last few days iv seen articles about them landing some high profile sounding clients 486425;1391753305;Chaaang-Noi;cool 486426;1391753344;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 69 @ 0.003138 = 0.2165 BTC [+] 486427;1391753466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00086771 = 7.8528 BTC [+] 486428;1391753714;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids if only press mattered, all these doge/maxkeiser/go/blablacoins would be oh so important. 486429;1391753814;Chaaang-Noi;go does not seem to be an alt 486430;1391753845;Chaaang-Noi;https://www.gocoin.com/ 486431;1391753846;ozbot;GoCoin Payment Platform - Litecoin and Bitcoin Payment Processing for Merchants 486432;1391753849;Chaaang-Noi;they take btc and ltc 486433;1391753865;Chaaang-Noi;its like bitpay, i assumed an alt at first as well 486434;1391753979;mircea_popescu;whoa look at that, btc dropped / 486435;1391754001;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/bet/714/bitcoin-will-top-1200-before-going-under-800/#c2438 << css hacked!!1 486436;1391754046;Chaaang-Noi;im shocked it took this long to correct 486437;1391754057;Chaaang-Noi;question is, where is the low 486438;1391754111;Chaaang-Noi;never thought id buy more crypto but if we get low enough 486439;1391754198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00086744 = 6.3323 BTC [-] {2} 486440;1391754686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7770 @ 0.00086717 = 6.7379 BTC [-] {2} 486441;1391754894;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: err 486442;1391754924;herbijudlestoids;its a payment processor that just landed a HFT hedge fund 486443;1391754931;Namworld_AFK;No, I don't. I worked at BitVPS for a while tho 486444;1391754949;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids gocoin is not an altcoin ? 486445;1391754958;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: see the zerohedge link above pls 486446;1391754994;mircea_popescu;i;ll take your word for it. 486447;1391755017;herbijudlestoids;its not zh content, repaste from FT, i used the zh link cos most people dont have a FT account 486448;1391755052;Namworld;I own BitcoinPride tho 486449;1391755069;herbijudlestoids;anyway, going for a long walk... if youre around when i get back i wouldnt mind askin you about the huge volatility spike on MPOE 486450;1391755082;mircea_popescu;prolly not as it's late, but tomorrow or w/e 486451;1391755105;Chaaang-Noi;namworld_afk who runs that? 486452;1391755105;herbijudlestoids;nw, thx 486453;1391755110;mircea_popescu;a look it dropped a little 486454;1391755114;Chaaang-Noi;mp lol 486455;1391755120;mircea_popescu;i guess people misunderstanding the large option play. 486456;1391755136;Chaaang-Noi;you cant be that blind 486457;1391755142;Namworld;Arij 486458;1391755160;Chaaang-Noi;i dont know him 486459;1391755195;Namworld;He's from New York. He manages BitVPS's servers in a colo center in NY. 486460;1391755221;Chaaang-Noi;he is around the forums or irc? 486461;1391755276;Namworld;Mostly IRC 486462;1391755293;Chaaang-Noi;okay, ill track him down, thanks 486463;1391755366;Namworld;He's in here right now. 486464;1391755380;Chaaang-Noi;that would be too easy :/ 486465;1391755391;Chaaang-Noi;j/k thanks :) 486466;1391755427;Namworld;He might be sleeping at this time tho 486467;1391755540;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.04822486 = 0.3376 BTC [-] {3} 486468;1391755561;davout;morning 486469;1391755571;mircea_popescu;heya. 486470;1391755575;mircea_popescu;!t m x.eur 486471;1391755575;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00172845 / 0.00172845 / 0.00172845 (850 shares, 1.47 BTC), 7D: 0.00166806 / 0.00170763 / 0.001773 (4111 shares, 7.02 BTC), 30D: 0.0016245 / 0.00172972 / 0.0019975 (18300 shares, 31.65 BTC) 486472;1391755633;mircea_popescu;davout how come bitcoincharts doesn't list any data from bc ? 486473;1391756028;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1200 @ 0.00183028 = 2.1963 BTC [+] 486474;1391756037;davout;because i haven't bothered to look into it since we relaunched 486475;1391756075;mircea_popescu;mebbe bug tcatm 486476;1391756119;davout;no it's on my side 486477;1391756136;mircea_popescu;ah 486478;1391756163;davout;we used to have a bitcoin charts dedicated api point, which i haven't re-enabled since we relaunched 486479;1391756175;davout;because stuff 486480;1391756518;KRS-One;maaaaaaaaan everybody's buggin about the market prices going down. 486481;1391756529;Chaaang-Noi;im not 486482;1391756537;KRS-One;Hey Chaaang-Noi long time 486483;1391756538;Chaaang-Noi;if it goes low enough ill buy more 486484;1391756546;Chaaang-Noi;yup, hows it going? 486485;1391756550;KRS-One;great 486486;1391756553;Chaaang-Noi;cool 486487;1391756579;kakobrekla;KRS-One whats with the btc, we are poor again 486488;1391756602;KRS-One;it will be time to start buying kakobrekla 486489;1391756611;Chaaang-Noi;$600 btc, poor, hahahah 486490;1391756680;KRS-One;Like mircea_popescu said a few weeks back there will be lower prices, capitulation and a slow and steady rise to the next bubble again..Seems reasonable. 486491;1391756728;Chaaang-Noi;yup 486492;1391756736;Chaaang-Noi;im waiting and ready to buy back in if i need to 486493;1391756754;mircea_popescu;o, are we poor nao ? 486494;1391756794;kakobrekla;you cant even buy yesterdays bitcoin with a bitcoin 486495;1391756796;kakobrekla;pft 486496;1391756807;Chaaang-Noi;lol 486497;1391756821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8038 @ 0.00086771 = 6.9747 BTC [+] 486498;1391756841;mircea_popescu;yeah i guess so, coupla months ago i had mpoe shares worth 100k each and btc was 1200 486499;1391756849;mircea_popescu;now they're 87k each and btc is 700 486500;1391756883;kakobrekla;worthless 486501;1391756889;KRS-One;dump 486502;1391756890;KRS-One;=[ 486503;1391756893;mircea_popescu;;;calc (100*1200 - 87*700) / (87*700) 486504;1391756894;gribble;0.970443349754 486505;1391756904;kakobrekla;so 486506;1391756904;kakobrekla;https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20140207.html 486507;1391756906;ozbot;MtGox - Bitcoin Exchange 486508;1391756908;kakobrekla;this is the cause of panic ? 486509;1391756920;koin3d;um no. 486510;1391756925;KRS-One;its certainly fueling things though 486511;1391756937;Chaaang-Noi;kako that and the russian news and the apple thing and that we need to go lower anyway 486512;1391756942;kakobrekla;do fuckin explain then koin3d 486513;1391756963;kakobrekla;russina news? 486514;1391756964;koin3d;bitcoins in a bear market since end of november duh? 486515;1391756973;KRS-One;koin3d: took forever eh 486516;1391756976;koin3d;last few weeks were trending down on no volume = bad sign 486517;1391757005;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha static state 486518;1391757006;KRS-One;My short positions have been making me seek cheaper swap 486519;1391757007;koin3d;2-3 sellers unloading positions 486520;1391757014;mircea_popescu;patrickstaticstateman! 486521;1391757020;Chaaang-Noi;kako there was some clearification on the laws it was seen as anti btc and really making btc illegal in russia, however it was moistly FUD as it was an old law 486522;1391757024;koin3d;panic went full blown last 15minutes probably near an end here 486523;1391757074;koin3d;oversold readings on gox worse now then silkroad 486524;1391757162;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/431686847983403010 486525;1391757163;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: So fatass Karpeles finally ... 486526;1391757258;koin3d;so what do mtgox traders do considering both btc and usd are now locked 486527;1391757277;mircea_popescu;they go read fml.tumbler.com ? 486528;1391757334;koin3d;im pretty sure most of the volume on gox was karpeles 486529;1391757380;mircea_popescu;yeah, you're not the only one. 486530;1391757431;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0047 = 0.188 BTC [-] {2} 486531;1391757434;mircea_popescu;been a sort of polichinelle's secret for a while now. 486532;1391757458;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, funny thing is that you called it months ago 486533;1391757490;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic what's even funner is that in another coupla weeks everyone will have called it months ago in their own estimation :D 486534;1391757496;koin3d;called what? that turd was floating for a year 486535;1391757501;koin3d;its about time it gets flushed 486536;1391757528;koin3d;karpeles should be in jail instead of shrem 486537;1391757542;Apocalyptic;no shrem deserved it too 486538;1391757560;koin3d;why? 486539;1391757565;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic yes but it's like one of those math problems. karpeles doens't fit with anyone else :D 486540;1391757567;Apocalyptic;he was an idiot 486541;1391757584;koin3d;shrems only idiocity was going around preaching how great the government is 486542;1391757589;koin3d;then gets fucking owned by them lol 486543;1391757613;mircea_popescu;not quite, but anyway. 486544;1391757621;koin3d;yes quite. 486545;1391757668;koin3d;and shrem never engaged in money laundering 486546;1391757684;mircea_popescu;what's this, the webchat strong opinions service ? 486547;1391757687;koin3d;at least not by any US definitions of it 486548;1391757708;Apocalyptic;koin3d, not quite no 486549;1391757724;koin3d;shrems also jewish, no jews get jail in NYC 486550;1391757729;Apocalyptic;he openly talked about how a drug user he was and deals with SR vendors 486551;1391757730;koin3d;they run the fking place 486552;1391757745;Apocalyptic;"pround stoner" read some headline 486553;1391757753;koin3d;apocalyptic: so? half of facebook is proud stoners 486554;1391757759;Apocalyptic;seriously what the fuck did he expect ? 486555;1391757765;mircea_popescu;is this guy dimsler ? 486556;1391757768;koin3d;he was made an example of 486557;1391757787;Apocalyptic;half of facebook isn't engaged in bitcoin-related activities and skating on thin ice 486558;1391757804;koin3d;shrems mistake was his big fucking mouth 486559;1391757813;Apocalyptic;yes, this we can agree upon 486560;1391757822;Apocalyptic;among other things 486561;1391757858;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00086719 = 4.336 BTC [-] {2} 486562;1391757869;koin3d;mircea: your mouth is legendary too and i do believe US-romania have extradition treaties 486563;1391757895;mircea_popescu;dude check it out, it IS dimsler. 486564;1391757918;mircea_popescu;derpy, here's the thing : you gotta be someone before what you think matters. 486565;1391757924;mircea_popescu;this doesn't change just because internets. 486566;1391757936;koin3d;? 486567;1391758141;koin3d;that was the bottom 486568;1391758146;koin3d;and you heard it in real time 486569;1391758151;mircea_popescu;what "?" ?. your S01067cb21b2a491c.hm.shawcable.net (on which you also run a node, huh ?) comes from caledonia, ontario, canada. dimsler's dhcp-20-aa-4b-fd-a4-ce.cpe.sourcecable.net comes from... wait for it... hamilton. ontario. canada. 486570;1391758157;mircea_popescu;they're a whopping... 20km apart. 486571;1391758178;koin3d;eh? 486572;1391758183;mircea_popescu;so : forget about the jews, about the old timers getting somehow magically wiped off, get used with the idea that i rule btc and so on. 486573;1391758185;koin3d;the fuck you talking about 486574;1391758188;mircea_popescu;you'll manage a lot better. 486575;1391758194;KRS-One;heh 486576;1391758259;mircea_popescu;anyway, enough fun for one day. see y'all later. 486577;1391758265;KRS-One;bye 486578;1391758290;koin3d;mircea you are an old timer. 486579;1391758316;koin3d;and your mouth and scams are all over the internets 486580;1391758328;koin3d;fucking gypsy 486581;1391758481;kakobrekla;mebbe you need to smash your iphone? 486582;1391758670;kakobrekla;ah, its the bitcoin days destroyed that is scaring people 486583;1391758709;koin3d;theres been someone persistently selling all night 486584;1391758797;koin3d;coming up on the 200dma 486585;1391758956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.0008663 = 31.1868 BTC [-] {6} 486586;1391759247;sypher_;morning 486587;1391759267;kakobrekla;hi 486588;1391760725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00086978 = 0.6088 BTC [+] 486589;1391760908;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 240 @ 0.00086978 = 0.2087 BTC [+] 486590;1391761574;KRS-One;kakobrekla: the 400K bitcoin bitcoin days destroyed thing? 486591;1391761581;kakobrekla;aha 486592;1391761655;KRS-One;it looks, mysterically doomish in the interwebsnet bit background. 486593;1391761771;jurov;dat mtgox release... i was irrofl 486594;1391761772;Namworld;So... MPEx gonna bank massively? 486595;1391761785;Namworld;With that guy who sold thousands upon thousands of PUTs 486596;1391761801;Apocalyptic;must have been an insider from gox 486597;1391761865;Namworld;The guy SOLD puts. Which means MPEx bought them. Which means that insider would be a total loser. 486598;1391761866;jurov;;;calc (850-730)/730 486599;1391761867;gribble;0.164383561644 486600;1391761884;jurov;;;calc 850/730 486601;1391761884;gribble;1.16438356164 486602;1391761910;jurov;about 16% profit for mpex if they exercise now 486603;1391761913;Apocalyptic;Namworld, was a jokr 486604;1391761917;Apocalyptic;*joke 486605;1391762433;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0635 = 0.635 BTC [-] 486606;1391762829;herbijudlestoids;interesting thing about this decline in BTC 486607;1391762833;herbijudlestoids;its happening on much lower volume 486608;1391762837;herbijudlestoids;than previous declines 486609;1391762839;herbijudlestoids;much much much lower 486610;1391763320;kakobrekla;hm you work as sys admin? 486611;1391763349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12273 @ 0.00086491 = 10.615 BTC [-] {2} 486612;1391763377;herbijudlestoids;kakobrekla: me? yeah ...lets call it large scale ops but yeah ;) 486613;1391763408;kakobrekla;ah, i thougt your trading was more profitable than consumer goods can cover 486614;1391763409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00086484 = 1.6864 BTC [-] 486615;1391763414;Apocalyptic;wait... you said you were a FX trader 486616;1391763422;herbijudlestoids;i trade 486617;1391763423;Apocalyptic;thought that was your primary job heh 486618;1391763425;herbijudlestoids;made lots of money in 2008 :) 486619;1391763470;herbijudlestoids;i have a job, its for a small company, we are trying to get it bought by a big company...my role is "director of cloud operations" .. 486620;1391763503;kakobrekla;yes i understand you have a job now, i just thought that what you said before was true 486621;1391763506;herbijudlestoids;i also trade, usually EOD with a bankroll i luckily made in 2008 when i had no idea what i was doing 486622;1391763581;herbijudlestoids;what do you mean? lol i trade, i know prop traders, i have been offered jobs at firms that make markets on the HKSE 486623;1391763601;Apocalyptic;sounds better than some shitty sysadmin job 486624;1391763646;herbijudlestoids;the job isnt shitty lol 486625;1391763664;herbijudlestoids;i cant go into it too much, but we are currently in discussions to be bought by a very well known linux company 486626;1391763682;herbijudlestoids;i own a chunk of the company aside from my salary 486627;1391763707;bloctoc;here we go 486628;1391763714;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 29 @ 0.005 = 0.145 BTC 486629;1391763792;herbijudlestoids;Apocalyptic: i work on openstack...large scale iaas cloud. mostly managed by puppet. if you wanna see the kind of thing i do, i actually spoke at the last openstack summit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3r3amkMK7E 486630;1391763820;Apocalyptic;i'm not into cloud stuff 486631;1391763825;herbijudlestoids;compared to previous jobs, not shitty ;) 486632;1391763958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8511 @ 0.00086484 = 7.3607 BTC [-] 486633;1391764202;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00465009 = 0.1907 BTC [-] {3} 486634;1391764203;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 68 @ 0.00422557 = 0.2873 BTC [-] {5} 486635;1391764263;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 82 @ 0.00409303 = 0.3356 BTC [-] {5} 486636;1391764324;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00461853 = 0.1524 BTC [-] {5} 486637;1391764326;herbijudlestoids;kakobrekla: lol like i said, i thought you were talking about a mac G5, you were suggesting instead of repatriating BTC profits and getting taxed, to buy stuff...remember? so yea...i make more than you can put into consumer goods usefully, but yes, unfortunately i dont make enough to buy a gulfstream 5 486638;1391764366;kakobrekla;you can be like goat and get a scambo 486639;1391764370;kakobrekla;err sry i ment labo 486640;1391764372;kakobrekla;lambo 486641;1391764537;kakobrekla;anyway the point is there are things in between g5 and g5 486642;1391764548;kakobrekla;the scale is quite fine 486643;1391764673;herbijudlestoids;so, what, i make some profits and just buy some more ...stuff? 486644;1391764747;kakobrekla;lol. 486645;1391764775;Apocalyptic;kakobrekla, you're a sysadmin too ? 486646;1391764781;herbijudlestoids;kakobrekla: if i cant repatriate profits its less useful. i have a seperate BTC denominated portfolio i need to manage. 486647;1391764785;kakobrekla;Apocalyptic lol no 486648;1391764812;kakobrekla;herbijudlestoids well thats where free advice ends 486649;1391764825;Apocalyptic;what's your job ? 486650;1391764835;kakobrekla;i run the matrix 486651;1391764860;Apocalyptic;sounds legit 486652;1391764871;herbijudlestoids;kakobrekla: thanks for nothin lol. "trade bit4x at highest cost than your existing cost base, buy stuff with the profits instead of being able to rebalance them" 486653;1391764873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00086615 = 5.8032 BTC [+] 486654;1391764989;Apocalyptic;"Martin Kocevar venetfx" doesn't yield any interesting results 486655;1391765003;kakobrekla;lol who is martin 486656;1391765005;Apocalyptic;"Martin Kocevar is a product of tlie Penn- sylvania Dutch region, and he says that as soon as he gets his diploma he is going back to his home" oh wait it does 486657;1391765011;Apocalyptic;that relevancy 486658;1391765030;kakobrekla;at least get my name right when you googlefail you know 486659;1391765047;Apocalyptic;heh, just figured 486660;1391765080;kakobrekla;otc profile you tell you a thing or two 486661;1391765087;kakobrekla;should tell you * 486662;1391765148;kakobrekla;chan went quiet, everyones googling up kako 486663;1391765166;kakobrekla;i feel penetraded! 486664;1391765185;kakobrekla;typo cause its uncomfortable 486665;1391765224;Apocalyptic;lol 486666;1391765239;Apocalyptic;otc profile tells me what you do in btcland indeed 486667;1391765262;Apocalyptic;(Martin sounded better than Matic tbh) 486668;1391765276;kakobrekla;yeah take it up with my mother 486669;1391765285;Apocalyptic;dem somalia names 486670;1391765291;kakobrekla;hehe 486671;1391765423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00086615 = 1.3858 BTC [+] 486672;1391765605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00086534 = 7.4419 BTC [-] {3} 486673;1391765727;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00086481 = 7.5238 BTC [-] 486674;1391766276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00086905 = 9.0381 BTC [+] 486675;1391766825;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 349 @ 0.003135 = 1.0941 BTC [+] 486676;1391766947;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.000126 = 0.63 BTC [-] {2} 486677;1391767401;kakobrekla;;;tslb 486678;1391767402;gribble;Time since last block: 46 minutes and 37 seconds 486679;1391767923;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 459 @ 0.00082076 = 0.3767 BTC [-] {5} 486680;1391769143;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5887 @ 0.00086879 = 5.1146 BTC [-] {2} 486681;1391769204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6008 @ 0.00086964 = 5.2248 BTC [+] 486682;1391769322;kakobrekla;;;tslb 486683;1391769325;gribble;Time since last block: 9 minutes and 16 seconds 486684;1391769387;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13042 @ 0.00087067 = 11.3553 BTC [+] {3} 486685;1391769815;herbijudlestoids;does anyone have any thoughts on when difficulty might start to level off? 486686;1391769934;herbijudlestoids;kakobrekla? 486687;1391770729;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 526 @ 0.0008161 = 0.4293 BTC [-] {2} 486688;1391770973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00087199 = 5.6679 BTC [+] 486689;1391771888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00087228 = 10.2929 BTC [+] {2} 486690;1391772132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00087342 = 6.376 BTC [+] 486691;1391772316;punkman1;http://bitlegal.io/ 486692;1391772559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00087346 = 12.4031 BTC [+] {3} 486693;1391772697;Mats_cd03;mircea_popescu: when can I expect revenue of mpex to pick up 486694;1391773034;punkman1;Mats_cd03: you mean like 1800 BTC worth of new account fees? 486695;1391773292;herbijudlestoids;so iv been thinking about the cex.io website 486696;1391773302;herbijudlestoids;basically its the best bitcoin laundry in the world 486697;1391773314;herbijudlestoids;any thoughts? 486698;1391774145;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7294 @ 0.00087155 = 6.3571 BTC [-] 486699;1391774399;ThickAsThieves;man i charted all this to a t 486700;1391774404;ThickAsThieves;such trades 486701;1391774406;ThickAsThieves;much happy 486702;1391774560;ThickAsThieves;herbijudlestoids, altcoins might top it 486703;1391775094;Apocalyptic;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1x9gue/my_protest_at_mtgox_offices_5_to_7th_february/ 486704;1391775095;ozbot;My protest at MtGox Offices - 5 to 7th February 2014, Tokyo, Japan. : Bitcoin 486705;1391775126;ThickAsThieves;wonder if he'll post the video 486706;1391775138;Apocalyptic;so do I 486707;1391775180;punkman1;lolprotest 486708;1391775365;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 151 @ 0.04452543 = 6.7233 BTC [-] {14} 486709;1391775376;ThickAsThieves;sounds a LOT like Bitfunder 486710;1391775411;ThickAsThieves;soon everyone may get their 6% payout 486711;1391775421;Apocalyptic;ThickAsThieves, next thing we know Karpeles is in Cyprus in Neo's office 486712;1391775451;ThickAsThieves;totally 486713;1391775463;ThickAsThieves;he can ride his bouncey ball there 486714;1391775471;ThickAsThieves;it's amphibious 486715;1391775487;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 77 @ 0.005 = 0.385 BTC 486716;1391775531;ThickAsThieves;'I like to think that when I go to a conference, Satoshi Nakamoto is there, and she is pretending to be one the audience' - Andreas Antonopoulos 486717;1391775535;ThickAsThieves;AA be trollin! 486718;1391775975;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.06119001 = 0.6119 BTC [-] {4} 486719;1391776005;truffles;prob a tranny 486720;1391776097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00087357 = 23.6301 BTC [+] {4} 486721;1391776104;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: at cex you can hop multiple alts from a single convenient laundry interface :P 486722;1391776121;herbijudlestoids;i think there is 5 or 6 486723;1391776277;ThickAsThieves;oh i thought it was all bitcoin 486724;1391776280;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00450026 = 0.135 BTC [-] {3} 486725;1391776489;ThickAsThieves;http://www.walkerart.org/jobs/browse/current-openings/2014/internet-cat-video-festival-coordinator 486726;1391776490;ozbot;Internet Cat Video Festival Coordinator — Current Openings — Jobs — Walker Art Center 486727;1391776522;truffles;sounds like a great job, cat videos 3> 486728;1391776594;truffles;title is misleading, gotta do shitton 486729;1391776997;herbijudlestoids;wow my weekly allowance of trilema articles finally showed up, mircea is a very good writer imho 486730;1391777038;herbijudlestoids;i dunno if the WoT will end up as the identifying force for the world, but its a nice idea 486731;1391777080;truffles;like real life names 486732;1391777102;ThickAsThieves;yeah just get urself some trilema credits and plug the cookie into any of your commonly used browsers 486733;1391777111;herbijudlestoids;look man i only got 0.02BTC ok 486734;1391777119;ThickAsThieves;ive read more trilema than books past year 486735;1391777129;truffles;wow 486736;1391777139;herbijudlestoids;i guess i should just fucken buy some 486737;1391777141;truffles;he's got enough minions doods 486738;1391777185;ThickAsThieves;minions? 486739;1391777193;herbijudlestoids;truffles: i have no problems saying i identify with plenty of things he wrote, for example about education 486740;1391777209;truffles;kiss asses 486741;1391777212;truffles;sure 486742;1391777234;ThickAsThieves;truffles it's good to read things that make you uncomfortable 486743;1391777254;Apocalyptic;truffles, trilema is pure genius 486744;1391777254;truffles;i do all the time, e.g. irc 486745;1391777264;ThickAsThieves;then wtf are you here? 486746;1391777278;truffles;why not 486747;1391777289;ThickAsThieves;well there are other channels yknow 486748;1391777293;Apocalyptic;lot of time to waste 486749;1391777305;truffles;im in many channels 486750;1391777325;truffles;although uncomfortable isnt the word id used 486751;1391777325;ThickAsThieves;k i was really concerned 486752;1391777494;truffles;its no surprise that ppl in certain channels share views 486753;1391777579;herbijudlestoids;ok..so basically im not allowed to enjoy the writings of a blogger? because...he has enough people who also appreciate it? 486754;1391777612;truffles;dont take offense 486755;1391777620;herbijudlestoids;no im genuinely curious lol 486756;1391777638;truffles;"not allowed" was not said either 486757;1391777698;ThickAsThieves;i think truffles is more implying that it's all a bit to cultish for him 486758;1391777699;herbijudlestoids;i dun get it...i havent been paying attention to this corner of the internet at all until ~6 months ago. i only heard about trilema this month...i dont have credits so have to wait if i want to see what half the links in the chan are about...i read them tonight and found them really good...so whats the problem? 486759;1391777713;ThickAsThieves;too* 486760;1391777719;truffles;TAT gets me :D 486761;1391777755;herbijudlestoids;find me something more interesting to read then 486762;1391777766;ThickAsThieves;now! 486763;1391777771;truffles;lol 486764;1391777771;herbijudlestoids;yea, now 486765;1391777773;truffles;gl 486766;1391777831;truffles;my interests n urs unlikely to align 486767;1391777837;ThickAsThieves;between the bitcoin soap opera, standing RSS feeds, and the blogs of this chan, well there's too much to read 486768;1391777857;herbijudlestoids;would you like to have a discussion about an unrelated matter truffles? politics perhaps? macrofinancial implications of energy resources in tajikistan? gardening or mycology? 486769;1391777876;ThickAsThieves;conversionbot 486770;1391777880;truffles;random topics occur all the time itc 486771;1391777881;ThickAsThieves;conversationbot* 486772;1391778001;herbijudlestoids;truffles: any opinion on when bitcoin difficulty might level off from its current insane trajectory? 486773;1391778020;truffles;i have no basis to make any.. 486774;1391778022;herbijudlestoids;surely 28nm is starting to approach the limitations of physics 486775;1391778034;herbijudlestoids;and from here its all scale out instead of up 486776;1391778050;truffles;bitcoin is curiosity 486777;1391778071;truffles;u dont have to direct it all to me noa lol 486778;1391778083;herbijudlestoids;i must admit, in nov of last year when i randomly read a thread on bitcointalk where someone was asking for projections of how fast difficulty would grow into 2014, i scoffed at someone suggesting it would simply continue at 30%/month 486779;1391778102;herbijudlestoids;well, i asked before and nobody answered 486780;1391778107;punkman1;http://bitbet.us/bet/712/bitcoin-difficulty-over-5-6b-before-april/ 486781;1391778112;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty over 5.6B before April 486782;1391778133;truffles;i could look into a system to find such an answer but it wouldnt be useful to me 486783;1391778161;herbijudlestoids;punkman1: so the current market implied forecast is "yes" to 5.6b by apr 486784;1391778181;truffles;it is said that difficulty but i wonder if groups decided to test that.. 486785;1391778190;truffles;difficulty will adjust* 486786;1391778201;punkman1;it certainly can't continue going up 20% on each adjustment forever 486787;1391778241;herbijudlestoids;and yet... 486788;1391778323;herbijudlestoids;ok well im off to watch a movie, have a wonderful day/evening fellows 486789;1391778354;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49560001 BTC [-] 486790;1391778355;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00456957 = 0.3884 BTC [+] {5} 486791;1391778370;ThickAsThieves; truffles: any opinion on when bitcoin difficulty might level off from its current insane trajectory? ---- so, so, difficult imo 486792;1391778384;truffles;i can suggest to u entertainment in that resepct :D 486793;1391778395;herbijudlestoids;yea go on 486794;1391778411;truffles;me? 486795;1391778422;truffles;what genre do u like 486796;1391778432;truffles;tv or movies? 486797;1391778470;herbijudlestoids;just pick your favorite movie of all time 486798;1391778493;truffles;all time ha no 486799;1391778493;Duffer1;so maxcoin hit .043 on mcxnow............... 486800;1391778501;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: do you mean it wont level off until difficulty is "so so difficult"? :P or that its difficult to forecast 486801;1391778508;truffles;God father I 486802;1391778515;herbijudlestoids;truffles: good movie, seen it recently tho 486803;1391778546;herbijudlestoids;Duffer1: the only real question is how many maxcoins do i have to pay max keiser to stop talking 486804;1391778562;truffles;i enjoyed In Time see if u do 486805;1391778565;Duffer1;i don't think the amount exists 486806;1391778573;Duffer1;it's a theoretical number 486807;1391778720;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 486808;1391778781;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07806 = 0.3903 BTC [+] {3} 486809;1391778872;ThickAsThieves;herb, i mean that there are too many factors to predict mining diff accurately enought to make any use of it 486810;1391778873;ThickAsThieves;however 486811;1391778881;ThickAsThieves;do you know of organofcorti? 486812;1391778897;ThickAsThieves;http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/ 486813;1391778897;ozbot;Neighbourhood Pool Watch 486814;1391778921;ThickAsThieves;he's been plotting stuff out for a long time 486815;1391778921;Apocalyptic;wait 486816;1391778927;Apocalyptic;is mcxnow open again ? 486817;1391778933;ThickAsThieves;i heard it was so 486818;1391778973;Duffer1;mcxnow only closed for a day or so 486819;1391778990;Duffer1;trading on most of the coins was halted though, but most are back up 486820;1391779007;Apocalyptic; mcxnow only closed for a day or so // it closed for months.. 486821;1391779012;ThickAsThieves;let the scamming resume! 486822;1391779020;Duffer1;no it didn't 486823;1391779035;truffles;was that the one with c++? 486824;1391779043;Duffer1;ya lol 486825;1391779064;truffles;ppl claimed they hit n run 486826;1391779070;truffles;guess not heh 486827;1391779070;Apocalyptic;ThickAsThieves, moar scam please 486828;1391779086;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 8332 @ 0.00300029 = 24.9984 BTC [-] {18} 486829;1391779138;ThickAsThieves;nice buy 486830;1391779166;ThickAsThieves;er sale 486831;1391779236;herbijudlestoids;wow graph porn heaven ThickAsThieves! 486832;1391779237;herbijudlestoids;thanks! 486833;1391779247;herbijudlestoids;looks like R :D 486834;1391779296;ThickAsThieves;you're welcome truffles, i distracted him :) 486835;1391779310;ThickAsThieves;R? 486836;1391779330;truffles;haha, he was said to be watching movie 486837;1391779331;ThickAsThieves;oh nvm 486838;1391779391;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0044514 = 0.1113 BTC [-] {2} 486839;1391779557;Apocalyptic;ThickAsThieves, fyi Mark just confirmed the reddit story 486840;1391779663;ThickAsThieves;well if there's anything juicey in the vid maybe he'll confirm that too 486841;1391779668;ThickAsThieves;or pay off the guy 486842;1391779756;ThickAsThieves;for whomever may care http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/ 486843;1391779871;truffles;well at least its not in murrica 486844;1391779904;truffles;u should move too :D 486845;1391779919;truffles;how many ppl chat regularly in here on average? 486846;1391779950;truffles;want toknow how many ppl would make a majority so i can confirm my guestimate that murrica dominant room 486847;1391780123;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0044514 = 0.1113 BTC [-] 486848;1391780244;truffles;i should know this ... 486849;1391780552;punkman1;ThickAsThieves: did Neo put those ads on TV? 486850;1391780680;ThickAsThieves;yes 486851;1391780683;ThickAsThieves;in Cyprus 486852;1391780693;punkman1;cringeworthy 486853;1391780733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00086664 = 5.0265 BTC [-] 486854;1391780733;ThickAsThieves;consider the culture and situation is different there 486855;1391780750;punkman1;I'm not very far from Cyprus 486856;1391780795;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5199988 = 1.04 BTC [+] 486857;1391780799;ThickAsThieves;neither is Cairo 486858;1391780807;kakobrekla;ads on tv? 486859;1391780808;ThickAsThieves;or Syria 486860;1391780810;ThickAsThieves;etc 486861;1391780810;kakobrekla;http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=43 486862;1391780816;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets bash 486863;1391780875;ThickAsThieves;well, nubbins is bias 486864;1391780900;ThickAsThieves;hate on it all you like, it's happening 486865;1391780919;kakobrekla;i dont even know what is suppose to happen 486866;1391780937;kakobrekla;good audience targeting :) 486867;1391780948;ThickAsThieves;hehe 486868;1391780961;ThickAsThieves;unless youre in cyprus 486869;1391781021;punkman1;random tweet: "What the fuck is this #whoisneo ??? Can't handle it anymore!!!!" 486870;1391781038;ThickAsThieves;google is hard 486871;1391781055;ThickAsThieves;;;google whoisneo cyprus 486872;1391781056;gribble;The MATRIX 101 - Understanding The Matrix - Frequently Asked ...: ; Neo-Assyrian Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Κυριάκος (iKyriacos) on Twitter: 486873;1391781062;ThickAsThieves;well then 486874;1391781078;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2014#486650 486875;1391781081;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 486876;1391781090;ThickAsThieves;lol 486877;1391781118;ThickAsThieves;one day the whole conversation in here will be links to log quotes 486878;1391781128;kakobrekla;once everything is said. 486879;1391781221;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5199988 BTC [+] 486880;1391781957;Troic_;/whois bitstamp 486881;1391782139;ThickAsThieves;https://beta.ciphertrade.com/orders << kakobrekla, i know you like gawking at new exchanges 486882;1391782153;ThickAsThieves;https://beta.ciphertrade.com/ 486883;1391782319;ThickAsThieves;http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/7/5386222/a-string-of-thefts-hit-coinbase-bitcoins-most-reputable-wallet-service 486884;1391782320;ozbot;A string of thefts hit Bitcoin's most reputable wallet service | The Verge 486885;1391782333;ThickAsThieves;most reputable? 486886;1391782351;ThickAsThieves;is blockchain chopped liver? 486887;1391782372;punkman1;" A day after Jeff's second hack, Coinbase enabled two-factor authentication via email for anyone attempting to turn on the API key" 486888;1391782381;ThickAsThieves;coinbase isnt even a wallet service 486889;1391782386;punkman1;clearly the answer is to TWOFACTORAUTH harder 486890;1391782393;ThickAsThieves;they are a moneychanger 486891;1391782441;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.000816 = 0.2448 BTC [-] 486892;1391782662;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids "whoa nelly" lmao. 486893;1391783112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2810 @ 0.00086724 = 2.4369 BTC [+] 486894;1391783295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.0008675 = 12.3185 BTC [+] {3} 486895;1391783478;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.066 = 0.198 BTC [+] 486896;1391783783;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24574 @ 0.00086582 = 21.2767 BTC [-] {4} 486897;1391783920;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-find-out-if-youre-stupid-in-one-easy-step/ 486898;1391783921;ozbot;How to find out if you’re stupid in one easy step pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 486899;1391784125;ThickAsThieves;typo efect* 486900;1391784202;Duffer1;more redistributed Fs 486901;1391784214;Duffer1;mircea secretly going commie 486902;1391784257;mircea_popescu;wait what did i do 486903;1391784267;herbijudlestoids;i ran out of trilema quota already :( 486904;1391784269;mircea_popescu;o o lol 486905;1391784274;herbijudlestoids;i will have to wait a week to find out if im stupid 486906;1391784299;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids so buy a credit, what, are you george ? can't pay for parking ? 486907;1391784351;herbijudlestoids;im in the process of procuring some bitcoins 486908;1391784365;herbijudlestoids;gotta deposit n shit 486909;1391784380;ThickAsThieves;visit from tor 486910;1391784402;mircea_popescu;or from a proxy. or your mom's 486911;1391784403;mircea_popescu;etc. 486912;1391784411;herbijudlestoids;o shit yea i totally got a giant pool of IPs lol 486913;1391784417;mircea_popescu;drive 20 miles like the angry jew guy. 486914;1391784417;herbijudlestoids;sweet 486915;1391784447;random_cat;coinbase is a wallet service, even if they do not advertise as such 486916;1391784454;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 23 @ 0.02781608 = 0.6398 BTC [-] {9} 486917;1391784459;mircea_popescu;random_cat i didn't think they knew what they were. 486918;1391784468;ThickAsThieves;no they have a wallet feature 486919;1391784474;random_cat;this is possible 486920;1391784510;mircea_popescu;meanwhile back @stupid ranch, clueless journo working for obscure publication links to my article on cryptsy, calls me "a commenter". i point out to him he's embarrasing himself. 486921;1391784523;mircea_popescu;his reaction ? piling moar embarassment with both hands. 486922;1391784552;mircea_popescu;this is like the one thing god did right : all situations naturally evolve towards the largest lol content. 486923;1391784554;random_cat;i think they know they are a broker in bitcoin, and everything else is pr 486924;1391784573;mircea_popescu;random_cat i daresay they know they got a burn rate, and everything else is desperation 486925;1391784576;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06712174 = 0.537 BTC [+] {3} 486926;1391784586;random_cat;heh... welll there is that 486927;1391784637;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 29125 @ 0.00013099 = 3.8151 BTC [+] {3} 486928;1391784651;mircea_popescu;;;later tell nubbins` so what's your beef with the altcoinz ? 486929;1391784652;gribble;The operation succeeded. 486930;1391784666;ThickAsThieves;they be amoral! 486931;1391784673;random_cat;not privy to the internals, but my casual observation is that their broker pricing could make them a fuckton of money 486932;1391784676;ThickAsThieves;his beef may just be with me 486933;1391784680;Duffer1;i enjoyed that discussion 486934;1391784684;ThickAsThieves;i didnt 486935;1391784687;Duffer1;lol 486936;1391784699;mircea_popescu;random_cat from outside all this shit looks like it makes tons of money. 486937;1391784709;mircea_popescu;then you get the leaks and discover bitcoinica was net negative for its entire life. 486938;1391784710;random_cat;heh 486939;1391784731;mircea_popescu;mtgox is STILL not above water, to this day, and i don't think it has 50-50 odds it ever will 486940;1391784732;Duffer1;i tried not to pile on TaT, who the hell am I to tell you your conscience 486941;1391784732;mircea_popescu;etc. 486942;1391784759;random_cat;mtgox is looking particularly doomed 486943;1391784765;ThickAsThieves;Duffer1 its more than that 486944;1391784770;random_cat;but that has been true for a long time 486945;1391784776;ThickAsThieves;the conversation was several topics pretending to be one 486946;1391784796;mircea_popescu;random_cat this is what you get when you have random clueless fuckwits stuck with massive management takss. they don't know what to do. 486947;1391784806;mircea_popescu;and it doesn't take very much flailing to step on enough lightbulbs 486948;1391784813;Duffer1;oh ya the poke at your pmg 486949;1391784815;Duffer1;pmb 486950;1391784845;Duffer1;meh, the alt discussion interested me 486951;1391784855;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/714/bitcoin-will-top-1200-before-going-under-800/ << check out the rich folks speculating proposition derivatives. 486952;1391784859;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin will top $1200 before going under $800 486953;1391784887;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves if he doesn't like you that's you two's problem :D i'm more into trying to discern if he has something that's universally usable 486954;1391784966;mircea_popescu;!t m x.eur 486955;1391784967;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00172845 / 0.00180728 / 0.00183028 (1550 shares, 2.80 BTC), 7D: 0.00166806 / 0.00173534 / 0.00183028 (5311 shares, 9.22 BTC), 30D: 0.0016245 / 0.00173591 / 0.0019975 (19500 shares, 33.85 BTC) 486956;1391784982;mircea_popescu;cool, the future's workin'! 486957;1391785046;random_cat;neither mtgox nor coinbase look like massive management projects from here: they look like operations which would fill the room i inhabit to the gills (and possibly cause fistfights) 486958;1391785125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35697 @ 0.0008646 = 30.8636 BTC [-] {7} 486959;1391785218;mircea_popescu;random_cat you are thinking like they are thinking, that "management" = "ops management" 486960;1391785230;mircea_popescu;this is perfectly untrue. first and foremost, management means strategic management. 486961;1391785249;herbijudlestoids;so mircea_popescu what was with the vol spike overnight 486962;1391785258;mircea_popescu;glengarry glen ross is NOT kevin spacey's character. 486963;1391785271;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids i have no idea. looks like some sort of panic or desperation. 486964;1391785301;mircea_popescu;either someone was a cp in a deal that had to be unwound and they had to liquidate, or else someone somehow figured i'm in the shit. 486965;1391785307;ThickAsThieves;volume is mostly traders, they got bored and their TA told them a correction was due 486966;1391785311;mircea_popescu;or w/e, maybe they just got bored. 486967;1391785319;ThickAsThieves;too slow 486968;1391785321;ThickAsThieves;:) 486969;1391785322;mircea_popescu;heh 486970;1391785331;random_cat;mircea_popescu: it only requires a leader.... i am making no assertions as to number or quality of generals 486971;1391785347;mircea_popescu;yes well the leader they ain't got. 486972;1391785359;mircea_popescu;no leader, no business. as unpleasant this truth may be. 486973;1391785491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5479 @ 0.00086856 = 4.7588 BTC [+] 486974;1391785522;mircea_popescu;ah this is a good story. so : three years ago i write a scathing piece dropping dox on this romanian spammer guy. he gets really butthurt keeps calling my office to make btctalk-type legal threats and spends a while "ruining my reputation" on social media venues. eventually simmers down. 486975;1391785534;chetty;sorta like no president=no country :P 486976;1391785554;random_cat;eventually it collapses 486977;1391785563;mircea_popescu;apparently meanwhile forgets all about it, cause he just sent me a spam comment linking to his site. so i... accepted it, replaced his seo-optimized user name with his own name, and put a link to... the three year old article. 486978;1391785584;mircea_popescu;the advantages of living in a country the size of oregon are so very marked. 486979;1391785603;mircea_popescu;chetty that may be pushing it, the government is not supposed to be involved in economics. 486980;1391785613;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4956 BTC [-] 486981;1391785614;random_cat;ROFL 486982;1391785618;mircea_popescu;which means the us leadership is carnegie, not whoever was president, 486983;1391785628;chetty;operative word being "supposed" 486984;1391785628;mircea_popescu;much like the HRE leadership is fugger not maximilian. 486985;1391785674;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 86 @ 0.00470469 = 0.4046 BTC [+] {3} 486986;1391785797;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me15otBzHe1ru15g3o1_500.jpg << anyone know the band ? 486987;1391785847;pankkake;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ladybirds - thank the "search image on google" extension 486988;1391785848;ozbot;The Ladybirds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 486989;1391785857;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.000816 = 0.816 BTC [-] 486990;1391785858;mircea_popescu;fuck me ?! 486991;1391785888;mircea_popescu;no wai 486992;1391785896;pankkake;why 486993;1391785924;wao-ender;looks they are Czech 486994;1391785925;wao-ender;http://www.bandmap.cz/berusky 486995;1391785933;mircea_popescu;pankkake cause wrong heads. 486996;1391785968;mircea_popescu;wao-ender may be just a name coincidence 486997;1391785974;wao-ender;oh no, sry, yes 486998;1391785977;wao-ender;that was just their remake. 486999;1391785981;wao-ender;maybe also playing naked. 487000;1391785983;wao-ender;haha 487001;1391785997;wao-ender;Ladybirds 2.0 487002;1391786191;ThickAsThieves;http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/9801167/HasanBaglar_Cyprus_Shortlist_Open_Nature_Wildlife_2014_verge_super_wide.jpg 487003;1391786204;ThickAsThieves;http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/9801193/HairulAziziHarun_Malaysia_Shortlist_Open_SplitSecond_2014_verge_super_wide.jpg 487004;1391786214;mircea_popescu;whoa 487005;1391786284;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00086788 = 2.2131 BTC [-] {2} 487006;1391786288;ThickAsThieves;http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/6/5385468/sony-world-photography-awards-2014-shortlist 487007;1391786289;ozbot;Leaping wildebeest and cuddling cats: the 2014 Sony World Photography Awards shortlist | The Verge 487008;1391786301;ThickAsThieves;some of those are a bit too photoshopped 487009;1391786306;ThickAsThieves;but some cool stuff 487010;1391786313;mircea_popescu;the dancing mantises are really cool. 487011;1391786341;ThickAsThieves;http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/9801073/4_George-Logan_UK_Shortlist_Shortlist_Campaign_Professional-Competition-2014_PRESS_verge_super_wide.jpg 487012;1391786359;ThickAsThieves;http://cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/9801253/NicolasReusens_Spain_Shortlist_Open_NatureWildlife_2014_verge_super_wide.jpg 487013;1391786384;mircea_popescu;the old guy with the boat wow. 487014;1391786397;ThickAsThieves;surreal 487015;1391786466;mircea_popescu;ahahah the riding frog 487016;1391786486;mircea_popescu;i had a beetle just like that in cr. 487017;1391786489;mircea_popescu;we called him mr horny 487018;1391786507;KRS-One;.bait 487019;1391786508;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/9a1319a00b8750ac0d8c1ea63da6d05c/tumblr_mjbja19BLk1qcrnfro1_1280.jpg 487020;1391786522;KRS-One;That looks like somebody's mom. 487021;1391786525;mircea_popescu;http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/9801065/1_Sharon-Derhy_Israel_Shortlist_Travel_Professional-competition-2014_PRESS_verge_super_wide.jpg 487022;1391786529;mircea_popescu;there krs. 487023;1391786589;mircea_popescu;BOMBSHELL: Snowden downloaded entire roster of U.S. government - all names, home addresses and other personal info of **all** officials and gov't employees -- including law enforcement -- plus bankers, corporate boards of directors and more! 487024;1391786593;mircea_popescu;bwahaha 487025;1391786617;KRS-One;omg wow 487026;1391786618;mircea_popescu;next step : Bitcoin regulates the USG. 487027;1391786633;mircea_popescu;"Remember : we know where YOU live." 487028;1391786643;KRS-One;bitcoin should be mandatory currency of all governments 487029;1391786646;KRS-One;talk about transparency. 487030;1391786673;KRS-One;if they dont want to do it there must be a reason to not trust. !=trust 487031;1391786694;KRS-One;some exceptions would of course be intelligence and defense. 487032;1391786711;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.064 = 0.256 BTC [-] 487033;1391786772;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0605 = 0.121 BTC [-] {2} 487034;1391786801;KRS-One;.bait 487035;1391786803;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/fadd2c25bb8a9445ed2b9aaf346c482e/tumblr_mx22f91ccr1qa1m48o1_1280.jpg 487036;1391786833;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1299 = 0.3897 BTC [-] 487037;1391786875;ThickAsThieves;" 487038;1391786879;ThickAsThieves;Snowden has made it clear that if he is arrested, if he vanishes, or if he "dies" from any cause whatsoever, ALL of the information in his possession will be published publicly." 487039;1391786886;ThickAsThieves;is this site for real? 487040;1391786906;mircea_popescu;i can vouch for that, fwiw. 487041;1391787004;asciilifeform;in case anyone missed this gem: 487042;1391787005;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2014/02/robert-hoffman-docs.pdf 487043;1391787016;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06 = 0.12 BTC [-] 487044;1391787017;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02740002 = 0.1644 BTC [-] 487045;1391787199;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5199988 BTC [+] 487046;1391787382;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51999891 BTC [+] 487047;1391787443;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5199988 = 1.04 BTC [-] 487048;1391787444;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.0001327 = 1.327 BTC [+] 487049;1391787565;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 307 @ 0.000816 = 0.2505 BTC [-] 487050;1391787687;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.5199988 = 3.12 BTC [-] 487051;1391787699;ThickAsThieves;i wonder if "waste heat" will be an mining pollution problem one day 487052;1391788114;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00086848 = 11.0297 BTC [+] {2} 487053;1391788133;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: use the heat to power turbines to pump water uphill :D 487054;1391788845;pLambert;over time, the block reward will go down, causing mining profit to decrease, and mining hardware efficiency will improve, so mining polution will never be a huge problem. 487055;1391788986;nubbins`;hi 487056;1391789064;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: what makes you think i have a beef with you? ;p 487057;1391789152;mircea_popescu; over time, the block reward will go down, causing mining profit to decrease << that's not what drives the efficiency 487058;1391789162;mircea_popescu;over time, difficulty goes up forcing effiiciency up. 487059;1391789169;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: read the logs, jeez ;p 487060;1391789184;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i didn't think there was much merit to them is why i ask 487061;1391789184;nubbins`;i don't have a beef with alts at all! 487062;1391789206;mircea_popescu;USD658.26735.69815.06 awww. 487063;1391789214;nubbins`;rubecoin-in-a-box, on the other hand... 487064;1391789235;mircea_popescu;hm ? 487065;1391789275;nubbins`;being "against alts" in general is silly, because how could you be against people experimenting with new ideas? 487066;1391789285;mircea_popescu;ikr? 487067;1391789320;nubbins`;my issue is with pumping out alts of no value whatsoever beyond providing a venue for cons to fleece rubes 487068;1391789334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8994 @ 0.00086491 = 7.779 BTC [-] {2} 487069;1391789338;nubbins`;and then pretending -- tongue in cheek or not -- that they're serious 487070;1391789378;mircea_popescu;like https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/431158708366626816 ? 487071;1391789425;nubbins`;sure 487072;1391789447;mircea_popescu;but i mean... 487073;1391789457;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00453484 = 0.1587 BTC [-] {4} 487074;1391789488;mircea_popescu;what's one to do ? the internet is a contextless medium. i can put a disclaimer in there, and i do. nevertheless, ihave to fit it in 140 chars and anyone is just as likely to "get it" as to get it. 487075;1391789539;nubbins`;what one is to do is to suggest that the head gets cut off it before it gets out of hand 487076;1391789544;mircea_popescu;in a more general sense : as tempting as it may be, you can't allocate responsibility to actions by the "effect" they have on people. 487077;1391789548;nubbins`;and that leads us to yesterday's convo 487078;1391789563;chetty;Poll: More Americans 'Can't Live Without' Laptops, Smartphones Than Sex 487079;1391789563;mircea_popescu;hoffman's death is hoffman's problem, you can't be arresting rnadom dope dealers because this guy was a dope fiend. 487080;1391789580;nubbins`;wait, you can't arrest random dope dealers? 487081;1391789588;mircea_popescu;" rnadom dope dealers because this guy was a dope fiend" 487082;1391789618;nubbins`;no, you arrest random dope dealers because x number of people are dope fiends and it has a net negative effect on the society in which the dope dealing takes place 487083;1391789629;mircea_popescu;well this doesn't in practice work. 487084;1391789632;nubbins`;or you don't arrest them because there aren't enough dope fiends to give a fuck 487085;1391789639;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.0001327 = 0.3981 BTC [+] 487086;1391789650;nubbins`;it doesn't work because more people will sell dope 487087;1391789664;nubbins`;doesn't mean you shouldn't try to convince dealers to stop dealing 487088;1391789665;mircea_popescu;no, it doesn't work because responsibility is not transitive. 487089;1391789672;mircea_popescu;you do the dope, you die. that's all there is. 487090;1391789701;Apocalyptic;what's the price of 1 ALT ? 487091;1391789713;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic about the same as a doge, ironically. 487092;1391789713;nubbins`;you do the dope, you spend your days breaking into houses and businesses to steal shit to buy dope 487093;1391789729;nubbins`;THIS is why people want dealers locked up 487094;1391789740;mircea_popescu;what people want is entirely irrelevant tho. 487095;1391789743;nubbins`;if everyone who dug a vein died, nobody'd care 487096;1391789748;mike_c;i thought we were all out of soapboxes after yesterday 487097;1391789755;mircea_popescu;people want what diogenes wanted : to be able to sate hunger the way they sate horniness 487098;1391789761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00086927 = 4.8679 BTC [+] {2} 487099;1391789778;mircea_popescu;mike_c no cause i was out and missed all the action 487100;1391789778;nubbins`;consider the case of salvia divinorum. powerful drug, blast you to hyperspace. was legal in most places until a handful of years ago 487101;1391789787;nubbins`;because people weren't robbing convenience stores for salvia money 487102;1391789792;mircea_popescu;it's still legal you kidding me ? i have a bush in my garden 487103;1391789794;mircea_popescu;it's a spice. 487104;1391789796;Duffer1;this chan has higher quality soap boxes, they last a while 487105;1391789801;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: that's a different salvia 487106;1391789809;mircea_popescu;yeah. right. 487107;1391789818;nubbins`;cooking sage 487108;1391789837;mircea_popescu;seer's sage dood. 487109;1391789841;nubbins`;smoke that, you'll get a headache 487110;1391789851;nubbins`;...you have salvia divinorum in your garden. 487111;1391789854;mike_c;"if everyone who dug a vein died, nobody'd care" << you need a pretty strong soapbox to stand on that. 487112;1391789860;herbijudlestoids;people are talkin ethnobotanicals 487113;1391789870;nubbins`;mike_c: the bleeding hearts would care, sure. that's a given tho 487114;1391789880;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i don't get where you got the idea it's "illegal" 487115;1391789886;mircea_popescu;fucking spontaneous flora all over the world. 487116;1391789898;nubbins`;i don't make the laws 487117;1391789903;mircea_popescu;"Salvia divinorum remains legal in most countries and, within the United States, is legal in the majority of states. However, some have called for its prohibition." 487118;1391789910;nubbins`;i think the concept of an illegal plant is as foolish as anyone 487119;1391789911;herbijudlestoids;its a schedule 9 plant in australia 487120;1391789912;mircea_popescu;there, even wikipedia. 487121;1391789917;nubbins`;ah, wikipedia ;p 487122;1391789918;chetty;morning glory 487123;1391789926;herbijudlestoids;under the law judges can schedule it by weight the same as heroin and cocaine 487124;1391789936;nubbins`;TBH i haven't kept up on it in recent years, but i was under the impression that many individual states had prohibited it 487125;1391789940;herbijudlestoids;err s/schedule/sentence 487126;1391789944;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0045207 = 0.113 BTC [-] 487127;1391789945;nubbins`;chetty: +1, although very soapy 487128;1391789952;nubbins`;chetty: also, leg cramps :( 487129;1391789954;herbijudlestoids;morning glory aka ipomoea violacea 487130;1391789967;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i couldn't name one tbh 487131;1391789976;herbijudlestoids;complex of lysergic acid amides produced by a fungal endophyte ;) 487132;1391789978;nubbins`;fun fact, i dosed myself on martha steward-branded morning glory once 487133;1391790014;mircea_popescu;but getting back to the point here : if some scammor is lieing through their teeth, usagi style, it's one thing to add a rider to their crap that whoa, jesus, scam. 487134;1391790019;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: anyway, the thing that salvia has going for it is that it doesn't lend itself to abuse 487135;1391790027;mircea_popescu;can't possibly take this to the degree nobody can do anything anymore. 487136;1391790032;herbijudlestoids;in australia, TGA monitors the internet and schedules plants that they deem dangerous 487137;1391790040;nubbins`;who's taking it to that degree? 487138;1391790048;mircea_popescu;i dunno! 487139;1391790050;nubbins`;:( 487140;1391790060;nubbins`;anyway, regarding this: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2014#486945 487141;1391790066;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00452002 = 0.452 BTC [-] {3} 487142;1391790088;nubbins`;i'm just trying to reconcile "i wish to be a financial professional" with "i ran a PMB" / "i created a lelcoin" 487143;1391790101;mircea_popescu;well that may be a complex task. 487144;1391790101;herbijudlestoids;nubbins`: interestingly, as the only hallucinogenic opioid it seems to have some anti-abuse properties and can assist in the treatment of addiction 487145;1391790127;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 487146;1391790128;jayk;yes 487147;1391790133;mircea_popescu;i mean... i'm not going to hold it against some woman that she goes around naked in public. 487148;1391790142;jayk;mtgox took a hike 487149;1391790143;mircea_popescu;however, i'm not going to hold that as HER QUALIFICATION, most times. 487150;1391790149;nubbins`;herbijudlestoids: it works on opioid receptors, but isn't an opiate. odd plant. 487151;1391790150;jayk;oh boy 487152;1391790159;jayk;mtgox ceo 487153;1391790162;mircea_popescu;"The National Survey on Drug Use and Health, an annual US based survey sponsored by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), for 2006 estimated that about 1.8 million persons aged 12 or older had used Salvia divinorum in their lifetime, of which approximately 750,000 had done so in that year." 487154;1391790165;herbijudlestoids;kappa, not all the receptors 487155;1391790167;mircea_popescu;<< they forgot to add "and under 15" 487156;1391790174;nubbins`;heh 487157;1391790181;nubbins`;i was 20 the first time i tried salvia 487158;1391790187;nubbins`;and i think 26 the last time 487159;1391790202;mircea_popescu;i don't get all you doods with the "trying" shit. have you tried the mains socket, too ? 487160;1391790208;nubbins`;nope, licked a 9V tho 487161;1391790212;kakobrekla;i tried mains socket. 487162;1391790220;mircea_popescu;me too, but that's besides the point 487163;1391790221;herbijudlestoids;well, personally trying certain things helped me a lot 487164;1391790223;nubbins`;the picture on the tv stopped moving and the room filled up diagonally with buzzing ;( 487165;1391790225;mircea_popescu;and it was unintentional anyway 487166;1391790235;herbijudlestoids;im a good boy these days 487167;1391790237;kakobrekla;yes, unintentional, several times. 487168;1391790239;nubbins`;anyway, what's not to get? 487169;1391790249;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51997999 BTC [-] 487170;1391790255;nubbins`;you get to have an experience that your brain would never produce on its own 487171;1391790264;nubbins`;it's like being shown a new color 487172;1391790264;mircea_popescu;nubbins` and this yo uwant because... 487173;1391790270;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: ever heard of the cult of eleusis? 487174;1391790270;nubbins`;curiosity, yo 487175;1391790275;mircea_popescu;dude the LAST thing on my to do list is being shown new colors 487176;1391790281;jborkl; nope, licked mains socket. 487177;1391790283;mircea_popescu;too many of the motherfuckers as it is. 487178;1391790290;mircea_popescu;and what the fuck is chartreuse anyway. 487179;1391790292;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: this is maybe the fundamental difference between us :D 487180;1391790310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00086438 = 8.7302 BTC [-] 487181;1391790352;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: have you ever ingested an indole tryptamine before? 487182;1391790359;herbijudlestoids;should try it at least once 487183;1391790371;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51998 BTC [+] 487184;1391790372;nubbins`;"Salvia is an unapproved herbal supplement that is prohibited by law for sale in Canada." 487185;1391790372;mircea_popescu;i guess it is. unless it's a girl showing it to me and the new color is some new shade of pink between her legs, i couldn't care less. 487186;1391790376;mircea_popescu;new colors pssssshh 487187;1391790380;nubbins`;heh 487188;1391790391;nubbins`;the doors of perception, &c! 487189;1391790404;mircea_popescu;i prefer the depth of reflection 487190;1391790414;mircea_popescu;what's this, were all russian peasants looking for more land to farm ? 487191;1391790447;nubbins`;http://lege5.ro/Gratuit/geztembyge/ordonanta-de-urgenta-nr-6-2010-pentru-modificarea-si-completarea-legii-nr-143-2000-privind-prevenirea-si-combaterea-traficului-si-consumului-ilicit-de-droguri-si-pentru-completarea-legii-nr-339-2005-p 487192;1391790448;herbijudlestoids;the depth can be increased 487193;1391790449;ozbot;Ordonanta de urgenta nr. 6/2010 pentru modificarea si completarea Legii nr. 143/2000 privind preveni 487194;1391790452;nubbins`;better hide that plant from the cops 487195;1391790471;nubbins`;also, what herb said 487196;1391790474;mircea_popescu;dude you kidding me... 487197;1391790489;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: just try it once 487198;1391790491;nubbins`;how you gonna reflect with truth if you've got all the layers in the way? 487199;1391790500;herbijudlestoids;a goodly dose 487200;1391790503;BingoBoingo;RE: Coinbase - http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/7/5386222/a-string-of-thefts-hit-coinbase-bitcoins-most-reputable-wallet-service << This sort of "API Key" and "2FA" subversion started happening to Inputs.io not long before their hack/scam. Conclusion: Andreessen Horowitz might be TradeFortress 487201;1391790512;herbijudlestoids;then we can talk :P 487202;1391790518;nubbins`;if you ask me, a man isn't a man until he's experienced complete ego death 487203;1391790526;nubbins`;but hey, what makes me an expert 487204;1391790554;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3005 @ 0.000133 = 0.3997 BTC [+] {2} 487205;1391790556;mircea_popescu;nubbins` complete ego death of some other ego. 487206;1391790566;mircea_popescu;stop mixing things around bejaysus 487207;1391790587;herbijudlestoids;nubbins`: you are doing a poor job explaining something that needs be experienced 487208;1391790588;mircea_popescu;you go kill some other man, not come up with bizarre substitutes in the manner of cutting instead of going out. 487209;1391790603;nubbins`;herbijudlestoids: that's how it goes 487210;1391790609;chetty;looking in the barrel of a gun does the same thing nubbins 487211;1391790619;mircea_popescu;only if it fires. 487212;1391790625;herbijudlestoids;chetty: an endogenous adrenal response is not equivalent 487213;1391790639;ThickAsThieves;so far we've got altcoin makers as drug dealers, drugs being illegal, but drugs being okay, and world apthetic to the detah of miners everywhere 487214;1391790640;nubbins`;staring literal death in the face is different altogether 487215;1391790655;ThickAsThieves;spelling* 487216;1391790659;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids seriously, you've built yourself this silly whatshisname-wannabeism. it's not some sort of all-encompassing philosophy. 487217;1391790665;mircea_popescu;it's just pop-derpage. 487218;1391790680;KRS-One;'scuse me i have to talk to ozbot in private. 487219;1391790690;nubbins`;KRS-One, careful, he tells lies 487220;1391790690;mircea_popescu;da fuck is the guy's name, wrote that disjointed journal thing 487221;1391790695;nubbins`;ken kesey? 487222;1391790699;mircea_popescu;no, no 487223;1391790702;nubbins`;not leary 487224;1391790708;mircea_popescu;no gah 487225;1391790716;nubbins`;huxley? hoffman? 487226;1391790719;nubbins`;THERE ARE SO MANY 487227;1391790720;mircea_popescu;i can't remember all the druggies in time. brb. 487228;1391790721;nubbins`;mckenna? 487229;1391790728;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: not really dude, i view it as an extremely powerful psychological tool...like i say, it helped me, i know. i dont really want to convince you to do it in any sense other than your opinion should be informed 487230;1391790800;mircea_popescu;burroughs 487231;1391790802;mircea_popescu;fucking hell. 487232;1391790814;nubbins`;oh, him 487233;1391790824;nubbins`;creepy man 487234;1391790836;nubbins`;occasionally lucid 487235;1391790848;mircea_popescu;yaya, "substance subculture". it's all aspiring to be picked up by the book people like burroughs. 487236;1391790864;nubbins`;nah 487237;1391790887;nubbins`;i don't even think burroughs aspired that much, guy was a miserable sack of shit 487238;1391790892;mircea_popescu;exactly. 487239;1391790894;nubbins`;if you ask me, he wrote to stay sane 487240;1391790896;herbijudlestoids;i dont really have any all encompassing philosophy around it. i dont believe there is some energy or whatever hippy shit 487241;1391790897;mircea_popescu;that's the appeal. 487242;1391790907;mircea_popescu;"i don't even have to be aspiring that much, and it's ok being a miserable sack of shit" 487243;1391790914;mircea_popescu;just a different flavour of emo. 487244;1391790917;herbijudlestoids;all i am saying is its not explicable 487245;1391790923;nubbins`;ineffable is the word, herb 487246;1391790925;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids then i'm not really talkin' to you. 487247;1391790948;mircea_popescu;of course it's not explicable, dude. if I put 500 rems or 18 tesla through my cpu the errorlog won't show anything "Explicable" 487248;1391790954;mircea_popescu;so what of it. doesn't make it less banal 487249;1391790961;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: well, you're describing the difference between burroughs and the wannabe burroughs 487250;1391790973;nubbins`;or, really, the difference between the people who did shit and the people who want to 487251;1391790989;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i'm saying that the interest in otherwise uninteresting subject matter is driven by otherwise underemployed, bored and inept kids. 487252;1391791015;mircea_popescu;then they keep hearing about it from all the other underemployed, bored and inept kids and start thinking it's part of relaity 487253;1391791023;mircea_popescu;because that's how the reality-function works in the cowsy brain 487254;1391791028;mircea_popescu;and now they gotta "experience" it. 487255;1391791080;mircea_popescu;mind that this entire discussion started from "why would idiot 12yos snort bath salts" and is not unrelated to the "massive popularity" of silk road 487256;1391791089;nubbins`;well no shit people talking about shit that happened inside their heads is banal to everyone else 487257;1391791093;mircea_popescu;that laughable piece of shit that couldn't sell one cocaine brick in one month, 487258;1391791103;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06999 = 0.21 BTC [+] 487259;1391791106;mircea_popescu;and whose only legacy is all over reddit, cantina marketplace etc. 487260;1391791136;mircea_popescu;so perhaps we are talking at somewhat oblique purposes. 487261;1391791157;herbijudlestoids;"bath salts" aka mephedrone or 4-MAR or MDPV or similar substances under the same common name has little do with silk road and hugely to do with the proliferation of chinese generic manufacturers keeping their factories open for an extra hour each night 487262;1391791158;nubbins`;how's that different from any other day here :D 487263;1391791164;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06999 = 0.14 BTC [+] 487264;1391791182;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=354636.msg4673358#msg4673358 487265;1391791184;ozbot;[CANNABIT] Investment Details - Announcement & Discussion Thread #cannabit 487266;1391791196;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids everything to do with silk road, dude. it's these kids who don't have to work, can't learn as there's no schools, having nothing to do with their time 487267;1391791208;mircea_popescu;and having bought into this pop=psychology "self-realisation" and "discovery" bs. 487268;1391791211;Duffer1;i rather look forward to cannabit's updates 487269;1391791214;mircea_popescu;so they "Experiment" because "experiences" 487270;1391791252;mircea_popescu;god forbid they experience something irl. lettuce "experiment" shit holed away in our concrete box. 487271;1391791258;mircea_popescu;"it's all in the mind, dood" 487272;1391791270;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: youre generalising 487273;1391791277;herbijudlestoids;overly 487274;1391791280;mircea_popescu;verily. 487275;1391791286;ThickAsThieves;i've lost the thread 487276;1391791291;mircea_popescu;the point needs to be made tho, because no fucking body seems to. 487277;1391791305;nubbins`;i uh 487278;1391791309;Apocalyptic; it was quite obvious that gox is a shitty exchange and you should avoided at all costs 487279;1391791309;Apocalyptic; never understood why people were stupid enough to keep using it 487280;1391791314;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, it's happening :) 487281;1391791318;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: in australia, we got these things called doofs...its a psytrance party in the bush...lots of the attendants match your description to a tee...lots dont 487282;1391791319;nubbins`;the point you're making is that the lost kids do drugs to try to find meaning 487283;1391791320;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic :p 487284;1391791322;nubbins`;no fucking shit. 487285;1391791349;herbijudlestoids;i been to some of them, so i know 487286;1391791356;mircea_popescu;not even. they're trying to find death already, which has been denied them by all the fucking kid safety devices. 487287;1391791357;ThickAsThieves;find meaning, escape reality 487288;1391791365;ThickAsThieves;now i'm too slow 487289;1391791378;mircea_popescu;;;google time is going by real slow i think we might be dead 487290;1391791378;gribble;Chill, Officer - Top 10 Non-Emergency 911 Calls - TIME: ; Microsoft's Xbox One May Be Losing The Console War Due To ...: ; Karen Thompson Walker: What fear can (1 more message) 487291;1391791381;nubbins`;find third dimension, briefly escape Flatland. 487292;1391791384;mircea_popescu;what srsly. 487293;1391791390;nubbins`;sure, you end up flat again 487294;1391791399;mircea_popescu;www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvct5fgEH_U 487295;1391791400;nubbins`;but wasn't it eye-opening to see that 3rd dimension? 487296;1391791408;mircea_popescu;nubbins` nope. 487297;1391791417;nubbins`;you're saying that because you haven't seen it 487298;1391791428;mircea_popescu;and if i feel like having sex i don't try to sneak into the sheets of a couple that fucked overnight just as they leave for work, either. 487299;1391791436;mircea_popescu;if i feel like having depth i GO MAKE THE FUCKING DEPTH 487300;1391791444;nubbins`;this could just as well be a conversation with a mother saying "but gravy is really good, you should try it" and the kid saying "but i don't like it" 487301;1391791455;mircea_popescu;no. 487302;1391791459;nubbins`;"i know i won't like it" 487303;1391791466;nubbins`;"if i want gravy i'll eat some tomato soup" 487304;1391791469;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00013399 = 0.67 BTC [+] 487305;1391791470;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06998999 = 0.28 BTC [-] {2} 487306;1391791473;mircea_popescu;it'd be convenient if this could be stereotypically reduced to that, because you have a lot of experience with that stereotype 487307;1391791478;mircea_popescu;but it isn't in any way that. 487308;1391791488;nubbins`;so i really thought i didn't like gravy. sue me! 487309;1391791499;mircea_popescu;i ain't about to, what do you got to make things personal for. 487310;1391791512;mircea_popescu;go do whatever the fuck you feel like 487311;1391791521;mircea_popescu;just don't come tellin' me how central the margin is that's all. 487312;1391791537;nubbins`;thanks dad, but can you sign the permission slip? teacher says 487313;1391791541;herbijudlestoids;nubbins`: i think its very easy to not bring anything back to flatland...hard work to "bring something back"...to learn a lesson 487314;1391791558;mircea_popescu;ow fuck me. there is no lesson 487315;1391791565;nubbins`;^ that's the lesson 487316;1391791570;mircea_popescu;incredible what a broken fucking tool the mind is. 487317;1391791580;nubbins`;on that we can agree 487318;1391791629;nubbins`;herbijudlestoids: well, it's just as easy to have a bunch of fun than to learn something 487319;1391791646;mircea_popescu;romanian makes the distinction between fun and diversion 487320;1391791650;mircea_popescu;in that it calls both "diversion" 487321;1391791662;mircea_popescu;i think it actually serves better than calling both "fun" 487322;1391791664;nubbins`;just because you're in your desk, in school, doesn't mean you're doing math problems instead of doodling monsters 487323;1391791702;nubbins`;just because you can no longer distinguish the border between your mind and the outside world doesn't mean you're having an epiphany 487324;1391791744;nubbins`;but, y'know, some kids actually do the math, and are sort of confused when someone tells them "school is just for horsing around anyway" 487325;1391791779;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: i learned about many personal flaws and managed to correct some "in flatland", permanently. other flaws, still there 487326;1391791784;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: well sure, lots of diversions aren't particularly fun :D 487327;1391791800;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids lemme tell you a story. a freind of mine had a dumbass father. 487328;1391791815;mircea_popescu;one day that dumbass father destroyed the family car, by the process of pushing the gas all the way with the hand brake engaged. 487329;1391791818;mircea_popescu;over about half an hour. 487330;1391791831;mircea_popescu;he confessed he learned a valuable lesson from this experience : 487331;1391791838;mircea_popescu;"never again am i using that fucking handbrake" 487332;1391791858;ThickAsThieves;pretty realistic appraoch 487333;1391791872;mircea_popescu;pure empirism. 487334;1391791888;punkman1;I think most languages don't have a word for "fun" 487335;1391791916;nubbins`;i can only speak from personal experience 487336;1391791919;mircea_popescu; just because you're in your desk, in school, doesn't mean you're doing math problems instead of doodling monsters <<< on re-read i suspect this is highly autobiographical 487337;1391791926;herbijudlestoids;so the analogy youre trying to make is everything i learned was "dont be stupid" and i couldve just figured that out sober? 487338;1391791929;mircea_popescu;we can only hope mom nubbins isn't ever getting into -assets logs. 487339;1391791955;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids the analogy i'm making is that what you think you've learned and the dataset you imagine you rely on are about as related as my girlfriend and your sister. 487340;1391791957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8817 @ 0.00086841 = 7.6568 BTC [+] {2} 487341;1391791970;herbijudlestoids;i keep telling you i dont have a sister lol 487342;1391791977;nubbins`;i know plenty of strung-out druggies who float through life with sullen looks and dull eyes 487343;1391791987;mircea_popescu;omg my formally perfect expression, attacked on empiricist grounds! 487344;1391791994;mircea_popescu;i don't have a girlfriend! so there! 487345;1391792001;nubbins`;heh ^ 487346;1391792005;herbijudlestoids;that is what you said last time 487347;1391792014;mircea_popescu;if anyone does some !b1 bs on that ima haunt you 487348;1391792038;Duffer1;:P 487349;1391792045;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, i watched some mae west movie recently. you ever seen these things ? they're so much lol. 487350;1391792059;mircea_popescu;but anyway, girl sitting on piano : "ever since i first heard this tune it haunts me" 487351;1391792066;herbijudlestoids;i dun even know what im trying to convince you of really...its 4am and i paused the movie for a sec and saw people talking about salvia 487352;1391792067;mircea_popescu;pianist : "it should haunt you, you murdered it." 487353;1391792074;nubbins`;hah 487354;1391792092;nubbins`;enjoy your flick 487355;1391792097;nubbins`;anyway, i got off track 487356;1391792101;nubbins`;i can only speak from personal experience 487357;1391792101;mircea_popescu;watch the flick be all about potheads. 487358;1391792107;Duffer1;altcoins? 487359;1391792110;herbijudlestoids;its enders game 487360;1391792114;mircea_popescu;nubbins` something that's not reproducible is NOT experience. 487361;1391792120;mircea_popescu;calling it "personal" doesn't save it. 487362;1391792121;punkman1;ender's game was fucking horrible 487363;1391792141;Apocalyptic; so the analogy youre trying to make is everything i learned was "dont be stupid" and i couldve just figured that out sober? // people like to believe so, cause the thing is much more special and powerfull if achieved under those circumstances than banal thinking 487364;1391792141;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: so the twin towers falling wasn't an experience? 487365;1391792150;mircea_popescu;twin towers failing is reproducible 487366;1391792152;nubbins`;anyway, who says shit isn't reproducible? 487367;1391792159;nubbins`;i can take some lsd right now if i like 487368;1391792168;mircea_popescu;i didn't say it isn't. i said if it isn't then it's not. 487369;1391792172;mircea_popescu;uh. 487370;1391792174;ThickAsThieves;hehe 487371;1391792178;mircea_popescu;you're confusing everything with everything, wtf. 487372;1391792188;nubbins`;i'm driving the conversation here! 487373;1391792205;mircea_popescu;so release the brake, ikt's going all over the place. 487374;1391792222;ThickAsThieves;my car! 487375;1391792234;mircea_popescu;i am not trilema-bashing all this. 487376;1391792238;nubbins`;brake? we're both doing donuts in a parking lot 487377;1391792255;nubbins`;shouting at each other through the windows over the screeching and smoke 487378;1391792260;ThickAsThieves;NSA is gonna think we're talking code at this point 487379;1391792267;mircea_popescu;somewhere in a nsa psych lab somewhere they're screening all this right now 487380;1391792271;nubbins`;twist: we ARE talking code 487381;1391792272;ThickAsThieves;too slow! 487382;1391792274;mircea_popescu;going "the ill effects of drugz" 487383;1391792283;mircea_popescu;o may farkin gawd 487384;1391792318;ThickAsThieves;:) 487385;1391792328;nubbins`;anyway, ego death, interesting experience 487386;1391792334;nubbins`;and i think i'm done 487387;1391792343;mircea_popescu;just you wait till proper age brings you penis death 487388;1391792347;mircea_popescu;i hear it's even interestinger. 487389;1391792357;nubbins`;will my penis come back with increased self-awareness? 487390;1391792366;mircea_popescu;yeah. and it'll live in your butt. 487391;1391792373;nubbins`;i don't want that D: 487392;1391792374;kakobrekla;careful not to damage your chi 487393;1391792383;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla it's normally spelled choad. 487394;1391792384;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.77985399 BTC to 813 shares, 95923 satoshi per share 487395;1391792384;nubbins`;kakobrekla: just don't send me all your btc, then 487396;1391792425;Duffer1;mention snowden a few times just to make sure someone reads it 487397;1391792431;nubbins`;snowden 487398;1391792437;ThickAsThieves;I saw Snowden 487399;1391792441;nubbins`;me too 487400;1391792444;Duffer1;hehe 487401;1391792446;nubbins`;he gave me a trove of secret docs 487402;1391792451;Duffer1;oh lawd 487403;1391792452;nubbins`;i'm going to embed them in the blockchain 487404;1391792459;mircea_popescu;so for the record : any of the resident experimentalists can tell the difference between sweet and sour crude ? 487405;1391792463;ThickAsThieves;i wash my ass with lists, there are so many! 487406;1391792464;mircea_popescu;cause those'd be new fucking colors right there. 487407;1391792485;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: there was an episode of trailer park boys where they discussed identifying fuel by flavor 487408;1391792494;mircea_popescu;i can, for instance. 487409;1391792543;ThickAsThieves;whether the dinosaur at pineapples or not? 487410;1391792548;kakobrekla;;;google tpb fuel taste 487411;1391792549;mircea_popescu;not quite 487412;1391792549;gribble;Trailer Park Boys - Ricky Explains Gas Siphoning to Cory and Trevor ...: ; Trailer Park Boys - Fun Facts and Information - Fun Trivia: ; Primal fuel | Mark's Daily Apple Health and Fitness Forum page: 487413;1391792560;nubbins`;"Regular is kind of tangy, supreme is kind of sour, and diesel actually tastes pretty good" 487414;1391792567;mircea_popescu;but anyway, an ability to grade crude with your mouth is actually a valuable skill.' 487415;1391792574;mircea_popescu;how come you passed on THAT color ffs. 487416;1391792586;nubbins`;you're talking about identifying colors by taste 487417;1391792591;nubbins`;are you SURE you've never done lsd? 487418;1391792596;Asa9;lol 487419;1391792598;ThickAsThieves;he's colorblind 487420;1391792604;nubbins`;ooh, a second twist 487421;1391792611;mircea_popescu;i never said i didn't do anything. what i said was the entire derpage is stupid. 487422;1391792616;mircea_popescu;there be a difference. 487423;1391792620;mike_c;i've heard mainlining heroin produces nice colors 487424;1391792639;kakobrekla;mains socket aint bad either 487425;1391792639;nubbins`;i need to plug this computer in and eat lunch 487426;1391792650;nubbins`;kakobrekla, electricity is grey 487427;1391792654;nubbins`;in my experience 487428;1391792665;mike_c;mains socket produces mostly black in my experience 487429;1391792667;mircea_popescu;apparently experimental-nubbins is colorblind 487430;1391792684;nubbins`;120V, 240 may be a different color 487431;1391792699;mircea_popescu;it's not the voltage, it's the total current. 487432;1391792720;mircea_popescu;here's a fun experiment to teach young girls physics in a pleasant manner : 487433;1391792741;nubbins`;not sure of the current, there were some components between the mains and my hand 487434;1391792742;mircea_popescu;buy one of those stepped transformers, 1.5 to 12 V, then shove a metal dildo and touch them with the other side. 487435;1391792755;mircea_popescu;they'll burn the same at all the steps, from 1.5 to 12, and therein learn a valuable lessons. 487436;1391792759;ThickAsThieves;only major electric shock ive seen is when our bass player grabbed a copper pipe in the basement practice space while bullshitting. he wasn't grounded properly and ended up ripping the whole pipe out because of the shock forcing his grip 487437;1391792773;nubbins`;heh, yipes 487438;1391792778;nubbins`;rubber mats! 487439;1391792782;ThickAsThieves;electified stings and mics suck 487440;1391792793;ThickAsThieves;+r 487441;1391792802;mircea_popescu;mircs ? 487442;1391792812;nubbins`;i'm wondering if the r goes in electified or stings 487443;1391792814;ThickAsThieves;relectified 487444;1391792817;nubbins`;heh 487445;1391792825;nubbins`;OK LUNCH 487446;1391792829;mircea_popescu;electi-fried. 487447;1391792933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00086719 = 6.8942 BTC [-] {3} 487448;1391792988;mircea_popescu;and in closing, 487449;1391792989;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdzwajsFOZ1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg 487450;1391793336;phish;so did that guy who did the put option lose 2k btc? 487451;1391793339;phish;or how does that work 487452;1391793367;mircea_popescu;phish lost a bunch for sure, as the rate went low 487453;1391793393;mike_c;did he get excercised? put the microphone next to the speaker! 487454;1391793421;mircea_popescu;does your rate hang low, can you tie it in a bow... 487455;1391793425;mike_c;hehe 487456;1391793456;ThickAsThieves;http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/07/bitcoin-suffers-another-snafu/?mod=MarketsMain 487457;1391793457;mircea_popescu;mike_c if you think about it, it makes no sense to exercise while the spot is below 24 hour ago spot. 487458;1391793466;ThickAsThieves;This is still a Wild West kind of environment,” Casey said on the show, while noting that episodes like this can happen periodically as none of the exchanges are regulated by the SEC. 487459;1391793484;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves right-o, because otherwise they can't. 487460;1391793500;mike_c;best remix 487461;1391793502;mike_c;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sZtd3o2kek 487462;1391793512;mircea_popescu;funny how the idiots who scream about "deflationary" "undue advantage to first movers" 487463;1391793517;mircea_popescu;then turn around and scream about prices dropping 487464;1391793543;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 301 @ 0.0008151 = 0.2453 BTC [-] 487465;1391793544;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.12976666 = 1.1679 BTC [-] {3} 487466;1391793557;mircea_popescu;you fuckwit parade! this is your chance. 487467;1391793586;ThickAsThieves;yep 487468;1391793604;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.000134 = 0.268 BTC [+] 487469;1391793620;the20year;and withdrawls from gox weren't stopped earlier? 487470;1391793624;mircea_popescu;maybe for some people drugs would be enlightening. 487471;1391793633;mircea_popescu;at any rate their present state could in no way be harmed. 487472;1391793647;ThickAsThieves;even better, 487473;1391793673;ThickAsThieves;drugs beget random behavior, which is mor elikely to have good results than always idiot behavior 487474;1391793694;mircea_popescu;who wants to be my designated altcoin broker ? 487475;1391793702;mircea_popescu;pankkake ? ThickAsThieves ? 487476;1391793708;ThickAsThieves;i thought you had one? 487477;1391793712;mircea_popescu;i did ? 487478;1391793716;ThickAsThieves;long ago 487479;1391793718;mike_c;vexual is drunk half the time 487480;1391793732;mircea_popescu;i have all sorts of brokers ofr all sorts of things 487481;1391793735;mircea_popescu;but this altcoin thing is new. 487482;1391793768;ThickAsThieves;i probly shouldnt offer, i'm already neglecting things 487483;1391793789;mircea_popescu;well if you're gonna neglect it then you defo shouldn't. 487484;1391793806;herbijudlestoids;well, that was a poor movie 487485;1391793809;herbijudlestoids;so much potential 487486;1391793841;herbijudlestoids;i am starting a new altcoin called herbijudlestoidscoin 487487;1391793852;herbijudlestoids;its serves the role of altcoin with a long name 487488;1391793859;mircea_popescu;not long enough 487489;1391793860;ThickAsThieves;i wonder if WSJ knows what snafu means 487490;1391793867;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves or any other word. 487491;1391793870;ThickAsThieves;do they publih swears? 487492;1391793909;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.130001 BTC [+] 487493;1391793957;ThickAsThieves;https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/431594986782855168 487494;1391793968;ThickAsThieves;icahn did it! 487495;1391793989;ThickAsThieves;"Breaking: Apple repurchases $14 billion of own shares in two weeks: CEO Cook" 487496;1391793999;mircea_popescu;well they gotta do something with the cash 487497;1391794010;mircea_popescu;and the way the us is going... they ain't repatriating that shit. 487498;1391794028;herbijudlestoids;"cash" 487499;1391794036;mike_c;you think they can use foreign money to repurchase shares? 487500;1391794042;mircea_popescu;mike_c why not ? 487501;1391794059;mircea_popescu;i use "foreign" money to purchase shares all the time. 487502;1391794061;mike_c;hm. b/c they are a us company. seems fishy 487503;1391794083;mike_c;yes, but you aren't evading us taxes by doing so 487504;1391794088;mircea_popescu;tell it to the structuring consultants. 487505;1391794107;herbijudlestoids;mike_c: its listed on france euronext too 487506;1391794110;mike_c;i thought they could only purchase foreign companies (like skype) with that maoney 487507;1391794117;mircea_popescu;according to whom ? 487508;1391794133;mircea_popescu;money is money, you can purchase whatever you want with it. 487509;1391794139;mike_c;heh. tell that to the irs 487510;1391794142;mircea_popescu;not like it's a permission slip from the white house. 487511;1391794152;mircea_popescu;mike_c i dunno why you think the irs is important in this discussion. 487512;1391794154;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.13200048 = 0.528 BTC [+] {2} 487513;1391794165;mircea_popescu;they're the equivalent of the 4th grade bully. only there to scare the small biz owners. 487514;1391794214;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13399998 BTC [+] 487515;1391794215;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 789 @ 0.00488139 = 3.8514 BTC [+] {14} 487516;1391794220;mike_c;hm. then why all the ireland tax evasion bs. you still have to jump some hoops to avoid them. 487517;1391794228;mircea_popescu;well sure. 487518;1391794254;mircea_popescu;but in the end, the "because i say so, that's why" side of the discussion is apple and hsbc, 487519;1391794257;ThickAsThieves;path of least resisteance 487520;1391794258;mircea_popescu;not the us or irish govt. 487521;1391794265;ThickAsThieves;-e 487522;1391794313;mircea_popescu;http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/painter-just-never-bothered-to-pay-tax-612441.html for teh lulz 487523;1391794339;mike_c;they got wesley snipes. and he can kill vampires. 487524;1391794374;mircea_popescu;but he's still a small business owner. 487525;1391794481;ThickAsThieves;i think the accounting burden for small business is retarded 487526;1391794493;ThickAsThieves;tax-wise 487527;1391794554;mircea_popescu;the very notion that the affairs of the state shall be imposed upon third parties is beyond outrageous. 487528;1391794580;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04800008 = 0.24 BTC [+] 487529;1391794624;mircea_popescu;irs wants to keep accounting, let it hire accountants and pay for them. 487530;1391794625;ThickAsThieves;here you must collect both fed and state tax from your customers, then make paperwork showing the details, and if you are late you get a fee 487531;1391794644;ThickAsThieves;monthly 487532;1391794688;ThickAsThieves;not sure if its any different elsewhere 487533;1391794697;mircea_popescu;notrly. 487534;1391794720;ThickAsThieves;does that make small biz government employees? 487535;1391794729;mircea_popescu;originally they piggibacked on the notion that "well... but you keep your books anyway" and "if you're honest you don't mind sharing" 487536;1391794736;ThickAsThieves;rather all people 487537;1391794738;ThickAsThieves;i guess 487538;1391794741;mircea_popescu;soon enough it devolved into "books must be kept this way because it's more convenient for us" 487539;1391794755;mircea_popescu;and im like... fuck you, what do i care waht's convenient for you. i'm paying for it. 487540;1391794763;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 487541;1391794786;herbijudlestoids;there is some weird shit listed in the -otc list of things 487542;1391794787;Duffer1;actually the irs wants to allow a free automated tax service but turbo tax and hr block have spent millions to successfully lobby against it 487543;1391794811;ThickAsThieves;automated? 487544;1391794813;ThickAsThieves;just remove it 487545;1391794834;mircea_popescu;how hard can it be. publish a bitcoin donation address. 487546;1391794841;ThickAsThieves;sort out one tax 487547;1391794842;mircea_popescu;people want your service, you may get some donations. 487548;1391794847;mircea_popescu;you don't get any donations... go home. 487549;1391794881;mircea_popescu;i'm looking forward to headlines like "donations dry spell causes government shut down" 487550;1391794888;herbijudlestoids;le 487551;1391794889;mircea_popescu;instead of the ridiculous bs going on currently. 487552;1391794889;herbijudlestoids;l 487553;1391794900;mircea_popescu;as if i give a shit what X dork said on any topic. 487554;1391794904;pankkake;mircea_popescu: what is an altcoin broker? 487555;1391794922;mircea_popescu;pankkake you keep my cash and my books for that altcoin 487556;1391794946;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00086931 = 2.5645 BTC [+] 487557;1391794946;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 238 @ 0.0052152 = 1.2412 BTC [+] {9} 487558;1391794955;pankkake;why not 487559;1391794961;pankkake;but it's open source now 487560;1391794965;mircea_popescu;aite, address ? 487561;1391794973;mircea_popescu;open source it may be, but i'm in finance not in tech. 487562;1391795007;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.51998 = 3.6399 BTC [+] {3} 487563;1391795008;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.07097775 = 0.6388 BTC [+] {3} 487564;1391795027;pankkake;1MPGRCrbib3aFGtTCLF5nADZcLEAgdTu7E 487565;1391795032;mircea_popescu;hahaha cool. 487566;1391795080;ThickAsThieves;it's too bad there's no many in vanity addresses 487567;1391795082;ThickAsThieves;money 487568;1391795093;mircea_popescu;that mp wasn't coincidental was it ? 487569;1391795105;pankkake;I vanity generated it 487570;1391795119;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i imagine as brokerages develop they'll keep a vanity gen side. 487571;1391795123;pankkake;actually, some people pay for vanity addresses, for the long ones 487572;1391795161;mircea_popescu;pankkake since you're loaded in, what's the chain reports ? diff ? blocks ? 487573;1391795202;benkay;buenos dias amigos 487574;1391795220;mircea_popescu;la puerta esta abierta 487575;1391795229;ThickAsThieves;hola 487576;1391795252;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13399998 BTC [+] 487577;1391795255;pankkake;"difficulty" : 62719.43923596 487578;1391795264;pankkake;"blocks" : 16255 487579;1391795273;pankkake;I don't think new miners are coming 487580;1391795274;mircea_popescu;so no power of 4 huh. 487581;1391795281;pankkake;yeah… :( 487582;1391795322;benkay;la piscina esta cerrada 487583;1391795326;Apocalyptic;what's the market cap so far ? 487584;1391795329;mircea_popescu;a well. good run 487585;1391795335;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkC812onnk 487586;1391795369;pankkake;16255*512*some hundred satoshis 487587;1391795406;jcpham;so people actually had coins in mtgox 487588;1391795414;jcpham;waiting on some massive selloff 487589;1391795482;mircea_popescu;jcpham it boggles. next thing we'll discover people actually invested into mcxnow. 487590;1391795495;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 98 @ 0.00532006 = 0.5214 BTC [+] {2} 487591;1391795496;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51999891 BTC [+] 487592;1391795517;Apocalyptic;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1x9gue/my_protest_at_mtgox_offices_5_to_7th_february/cf9ct0o 487593;1391795517;Apocalyptic;derp 487594;1391795584;mircea_popescu;"I was told that up until a few weeks [at time of the interview] ago, there was hardly any development environment to test changes. Most changes were done straight on the production environment." 487595;1391795590;mircea_popescu;this was news to reddit ? lol 487596;1391795749;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids by the way, i checked out s1e1 of curb your enthusiasm 487597;1391795755;mircea_popescu;do you have ANY IDEA how bad that show is ? 487598;1391795758;ThickAsThieves;so bad 487599;1391795760;ThickAsThieves;so so bad 487600;1391795764;mircea_popescu;seriously, unfunny old derps sitting around whining ? 487601;1391795772;mircea_popescu;"reality tv" style cinematographics ? 487602;1391795791;mircea_popescu;basically, larry david was the rock holding down seinfeld. once they got rid of him the show noticeably improved. 487603;1391795799;mircea_popescu;compare s1-2-3 with 6-7-8 487604;1391795801;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00086438 = 9.1624 BTC [-] 487605;1391795801;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.13399998 = 0.402 BTC [+] 487606;1391795835;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves seriously, it's unwatchable. it's like office cctv with sound. 487607;1391795865;ThickAsThieves;http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/07/central-bank-of-cyprus-does-not-like-bitcoin/?mod=WSJBlog 487608;1391795886;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i take it the fuckit neobee ceo is all over this rite. 487609;1391795933;ThickAsThieves;well i know the banks know he exists 487610;1391795952;ThickAsThieves;no black vans at his house yet though 487611;1391795970;ThickAsThieves;did you see the tv ads? 487612;1391796044;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 362 @ 0.0055 = 1.991 BTC {5} 487613;1391796045;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 17 @ 0.13399998 = 2.278 BTC [+] 487614;1391796061;ThickAsThieves;i wouldnt be surprised if this is just the beginning of negative PR on bitcoin fron cyprus banks 487615;1391796105;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 93 @ 0.0055 = 0.5115 BTC {2} 487616;1391796127;mike_c;^ congrats the20year 487617;1391796143;the20year;joy 487618;1391796166;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 430 @ 0.0055 = 2.365 BTC 487619;1391796198;benkay;havelock doesn't report tick direction to assbot? 487620;1391796201;benkay;lame. 487621;1391796208;Duffer1;it's ipo 487622;1391796222;Duffer1;there's no +/- yet 487623;1391796227;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 101 @ 0.0055 = 0.5555 BTC {2} 487624;1391796265;benkay;ah 487625;1391796288;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 110 @ 0.0055 = 0.605 BTC {2} 487626;1391796290;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: haha 487627;1391796298;benkay;in any event, we now have a test case for "you can raise it but you can't spend it". 487628;1391796313;herbijudlestoids;well in my mind its no argument that seinfeld is better, but i enjoyed curb your enthusiasm 487629;1391796319;herbijudlestoids;and with that, its 0505, bedtime 487630;1391796327;herbijudlestoids;gnight fellows, have a loverly weekend 487631;1391796365;asciilifeform;re: hallucinogen: http://img0.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0-quotes-786200.jpeg (translation: most often, the words 'you ought to try everything in life' refer to dope and porn acting, but much more rarely to quantum physics and chemistry' 487632;1391796391;benkay;cye is everything that is wrong with america 487633;1391796410;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 605 @ 0.0055 = 3.3275 BTC {3} 487634;1391796413;ThickAsThieves;i enjoy being a serial journeyman 487635;1391796420;pLambert;I've done quantum physics and chemistry 487636;1391796461;pLambert;so, any guesses on how far RENT is going to fall once trading goes active in a couple hours? 487637;1391796472;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.135 = 0.27 BTC [+] {2} 487638;1391796543;mike_c;trading goes active before the ipo is over? 487639;1391796575;benkay;is anyone offering RENT for shorting? 487640;1391796593;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 37 @ 0.19376446 = 7.1693 BTC [+] 487641;1391796637;pLambert;wait, I misread it, I thought it said trading owuld poen soon, actually just IPO is open 487642;1391796681;ThickAsThieves;soon is always yet to happen 487643;1391796685;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform amen. 487644;1391796740;mircea_popescu;molecular chemistry to be precise. 487645;1391796758;benkay;bah ipos 487646;1391796928;asciilifeform;confession: at one point when i was younger, i did succumb to the temptation to replicate various soviet experiments and put current through my brain. 487647;1391796952;mircea_popescu;lol the plasticity of brain stuff ? 487648;1391796958;mike_c;and that's when the design for cardano came to you? 487649;1391796959;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.0055 = 0.385 BTC 487650;1391796965;mircea_popescu;why not put current through your sister's brain like sane people. 487651;1391796971;asciilifeform;electronic inducement of stage 4 sleep 487652;1391796972;Duffer1;tcdcs? 487653;1391796993;Duffer1;ah 487654;1391797020;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.071 = 0.71 BTC [+] 487655;1391797031;Duffer1;;;google transcranial direct current stimulation 487656;1391797031;gribble;Transcranial direct-current stimulation - Wikipedia, the free ...: ; FOC.US - transcranial direct current stimulation for gamers: ; tDCS and rTMS: Is brain stimulation safe and effective? - Slate: (1 more message) 487657;1391797056;asciilifeform;and yes, it's 'fashionable' now, silicon valley wankers sell various gadgets 487658;1391797081;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.07168571 = 0.5018 BTC [+] {3} 487659;1391797094;asciilifeform;can't recommend it. but your mileage may vary. 487660;1391797100;mircea_popescu;70s hair was fashionable too 487661;1391797128;Mats_cd03;is 'poop shoe' a reasonable pronunciation 487662;1391797144;ThickAsThieves;obv 487663;1391797151;Mats_cd03;.bait 487664;1391797153;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2r55eeTWP1r2mc2eo1_1280.jpg 487665;1391797154;benkay;placebo? 487666;1391797161;ThickAsThieves;mercy poopshow 487667;1391797169;ThickAsThieves;poopshoe* 487668;1391797169;jayk;bob dylan's hair is pretty static 487669;1391797174;ThickAsThieves;the roman vampire 487670;1391797186;Mats_cd03;thats a gud one 487671;1391797198;Mats_cd03;the bait photo anyway 487672;1391797211;jayk;lot of boobie pics here 487673;1391797220;ThickAsThieves;welcome to the internet 487674;1391797222;jayk;hehe 487675;1391797231;jayk;at least i dont have to uudecode them anymore 487676;1391797261;mircea_popescu;mirˈt͡ʃe̯a poˈpes.ku 487677;1391797264;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 36 @ 0.0055 = 0.198 BTC 487678;1391797336;mircea_popescu;and those are splendeed teats. 487679;1391797447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00086566 = 6.9686 BTC [+] 487680;1391797508;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 370 @ 0.0055 = 2.035 BTC {2} 487681;1391797509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00086881 = 10.6429 BTC [+] {3} 487682;1391797509;mircea_popescu;http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/02/04/uk-britain-forex-fca-idUKBREA130KP20140204 487683;1391797510;ozbot;UK watchdog says forex probe to stretch into 2015 487684;1391797564;Mats_cd03;i worked with .mil networking equipment the other day 487685;1391797570;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] 487686;1391797580;Mats_cd03;and the front-end for a satellite dish was running vb6 487687;1391797595;Mats_cd03;lowest bidder strikes again 487688;1391797609;mircea_popescu;basically the libor was a scam, the forex is a scam too. fiat is about as bad as bitcointalk 487689;1391797635;asciilifeform;Mats_cd03: surprised? 'minuteman' runs on VAX. 487690;1391797663;Mats_cd03;i like vax features a lot 487691;1391797678;Mats_cd03;real good for its time 487692;1391797752;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+] 487693;1391797755;benkay;;;calc 78534 * 0.0055 487694;1391797755;gribble;431.937 487695;1391797787;benkay;;;ticker 487696;1391797787;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 760.00003, Best ask: 767.36952, Bid-ask spread: 7.36949, Last trade: 760.0, 24 hour volume: 46240.65512575, 24 hour low: 651.70976, 24 hour high: 855.0, 24 hour vwap: 733.76646 487697;1391797817;benkay;wat 487698;1391797824;benkay;;;calc 78534 * 0.0055 * 750 487699;1391797824;gribble;323952.75 487700;1391797870;mike_c;that's the first block. something like 220k total (shares) 487701;1391797874;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.071 = 0.71 BTC [-] 487702;1391797930;mike_c;"we are releasing a total of 228,534 additional units at .0055btc per share" 487703;1391797976;the20year;That's likely the only block 487704;1391798008;mircea_popescu;i guess this is an interesting test for havelock, because if the kid now fails to buy properties worth whatever he supposedly got from the ipo the difference will have to somehow be explained. 487705;1391798013;the20year;I might consider 25k or 50k additional shares on ciphertrade just to test the platform out, but likely there won't be another round of share-type funding, 1.125m is our goal from this round and if we hit it we should be able to get the portfolio access I want 487706;1391798029;mircea_popescu;pretty difficult to fake land deeds (not to mention felonious) 487707;1391798044;the20year;Yeah, that's just not possible with the local government 487708;1391798057;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9244 @ 0.00013225 = 1.2225 BTC [-] 487709;1391798062;the20year;even moreso when everything is not only filed with the county, put online, but everything we buy has a title company certification letter too 487710;1391798118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00086828 = 8.2487 BTC [-] 487711;1391798217;benkay;i'm interested to see what happens when divs fail to match btc appreciation. 487712;1391798237;mircea_popescu;well so far btc is depreciating. 487713;1391798240;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC 487714;1391798272;Duffer1;pretty much the same things that's happened to most assets 487715;1391798276;mircea_popescu;!t h rent 487716;1391798277;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (2261 shares, 12.43550000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (2261 shares, 12.43550000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (2261 shares, 12.43550000 BTC) 487717;1391798298;mircea_popescu;course.... where you got the 78k from ? or what am i misunderstanding here ? 487718;1391798316;kakobrekla;btc is now worth 7k 487719;1391798334;Duffer1;78k units offered i think 487720;1391798338;mircea_popescu;a 487721;1391798400;benkay;that 487722;1391798474;asciilifeform;http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2327327/net-neutrality-battle-begins-as-verizon-appears-to-throttle-netflix 487723;1391798475;ozbot;Net Neutrality battle begins as Verizon appears to throttle Netflix- The Inquirer 487724;1391798483;the20year;benkay: that's a risk investors take, otherwise it only makes sense to invest in things that are like BTC exchanges, options ,ect 487725;1391798484;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.071 = 0.568 BTC [-] 487726;1391798521;ThickAsThieves;In a live support chat with a Verizon representative, Raphael asked if there was any throttling of websites hosted by Amazon Web Services (AWS), which include Netflix, and was told, "Yes, it is limited bandwidth to cloud providers." 487727;1391798522;the20year;78k shares of stock at .0055btc/ea , so if those sell out we have $321k in cash 487728;1391798523;benkay;ipo page shows 48953 units outstanding, havelock announcement email mentions 78534. what the ever loving fuck. 487729;1391798534;ThickAsThieves;Verizon has denied this to be true 487730;1391798537;the20year;We had shares already issued prior to the IPO 487731;1391798537;ThickAsThieves;fwiw 487732;1391798586;benkay;it's not a risk, it's a certainty. 487733;1391798590;benkay;like a perpetual mining bond's value going to zero. 487734;1391798592;mircea_popescu;lag ? 487735;1391798605;ThickAsThieves;benkay that is not certain 487736;1391798606;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 432 @ 0.0055 = 2.376 BTC 487737;1391798632;Duffer1;the likelyhood is very high 487738;1391798641;ThickAsThieves;only cuz scammers 487739;1391798649;the20year;of BTC increase? 487740;1391798650;ThickAsThieves;other wise pmb can hit zero 487741;1391798655;ThickAsThieves;cant 487742;1391798668;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 443 @ 0.0055 = 2.4365 BTC 487743;1391798678;the20year;I think long term the growth will be fantastic, but i was also called a idiot when btc was at $1250 trying to get more shares sold for fresh capital because they expected btc to hit $2k or $3k in just a few weeks 487744;1391798715;the20year;The big thing we offer is a effective BTC short, since we're primarily denominated, and a opportunity to get reasonable gains in fiat 487745;1391798740;benkay;you expect to convince me the difficulty will decrease. 487746;1391798746;mike_c;effectiveness is dependent on liquidity on havelock though. 487747;1391798749;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves nah, because electricity. 487748;1391798765;mircea_popescu;most mining units by count are underwater today, because of the cost of elec. 487749;1391798767;ThickAsThieves;not for TAT.VM 487750;1391798770;ThickAsThieves;hehe 487751;1391798789;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04800007 = 0.144 BTC [-] 487752;1391798791;ThickAsThieves;of course that never hit zero anyway 487753;1391798797;the20year;buyahash's dividend has done pretty decently, but their big benefit was a foray into equipment sales 487754;1391798819;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: most mining units... underwater... cost of elec. << except for botnets 487755;1391798879;ThickAsThieves;and yes, mining diff will decrease someday 487756;1391798887;mircea_popescu;botnets are also underwater for btc mining, same reason 487757;1391798904;ThickAsThieves;if not cuz elec, or such, then cuz Altcoin 487758;1391798906;mircea_popescu;they do have a cost, even if you're not paying the elec. cost of opportunity in that case. 487759;1391798929;ThickAsThieves;more profitable to help SETI 487760;1391798948;ThickAsThieves;maybe aliens bring quantum miners 487761;1391798991;mircea_popescu;maybe they bring really good drugs. 487762;1391799017;ThickAsThieves;oh the experiences we'll have! 487763;1391799065;asciilifeform;the situation re: botnets is interesting. mining remains the only way to monetize a crapnet without dealing with humans 487764;1391799075;asciilifeform;(actual competence / contacts in black market) 487765;1391799101;asciilifeform;afaik they've mostly switched to altcoins now 487766;1391799104;benkay;alien drugs! 487767;1391799107;benkay;i'm in. 487768;1391799118;asciilifeform;(in fact, i'd be surprised if this weren't the primary mining force there) 487769;1391799124;Duffer1;nighborg wtb 487770;1391799155;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0055 = 0.165 BTC {3} 487771;1391799191;ThickAsThieves;http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/7/5390164/plane-makes-emergency-landing-failed-hijacking-attempt 487772;1391799192;ozbot;Plane grounded after failed hijacking attempt | The Verge 487773;1391799212;asciilifeform;http://wonkette.com/541474/mcgruff-the-crime-dog-likes-to-get-hiiiiigh 487774;1391799213;ozbot;McGruff The Crime Dog Likes To Get Hiiiiigh 487775;1391799216;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 36 @ 0.0055 = 0.198 BTC 487776;1391799267;Kushedout;http://redd.it/1xag2n 487777;1391799277;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00532005 = 0.5267 BTC [-] {2} 487778;1391799278;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51989996 BTC [-] 487779;1391799300;benkay;the20year: how long do you expect this IPO to take? 487780;1391799411;ThickAsThieves;"The company has asked a French court to suspend this order while it appeals the CNIL's decision and fine, but the CNIL insists that if Google can promote its own services on the homepage, it can also publish the news of the sanctions." 487781;1391799434;mircea_popescu; afaik they've mostly switched to altcoins now << the scrypt coins yeah. 487782;1391799437;the20year;I'd say at most 45 days 487783;1391799449;mircea_popescu;that shit i always found hysterical. man with a computer wants to matter. 487784;1391799455;mircea_popescu;he wants this LEGISLATED into fact. 487785;1391799460;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 487786;1391799470;mircea_popescu;so some idiot somewhere comes up with "non-asic" pow, so that the nobody may matter. 487787;1391799474;pLambert;the20year: does it have a scheduled end if not everything is sold? 487788;1391799480;mircea_popescu;result ? nobody gets flattened anyway, by different group 487789;1391799508;the20year;Yes, i think it's 90 days 487790;1391799523;the20year;Don't quote me on that , but off the top of my head i think it's 90 days 487791;1391799549;mircea_popescu;i wonder how many people realise that when they hash scrypt they hash socialism. 487792;1391799551;ThickAsThieves;are sha256 altcoins not common? 487793;1391799559;the20year;Correct ThickAsThieves 487794;1391799578;the20year;pLambert: you're in RS ,right? 487795;1391799605;pLambert;yes? 487796;1391799627;asciilifeform;every altcoin is really an attempt to 'refight the war' 487797;1391799646;chipug;what alts *are* sha265? i don't know any 487798;1391799653;ThickAsThieves;but if they dont use sha they are fighting the wrong people 487799;1391799685;ThickAsThieves;chipug, Altcoin is 487800;1391799686;Duffer1;The Altcoin is sha256 no? 487801;1391799688;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform indeed. as if such a thing belongs anywhere outside of a creative reenactment society meeting 487802;1391799707;chipug;ah kk 487803;1391799721;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 the altcoin is sha256, not pumped and not premined. just like... you know... NO OTHER ALT out there. 487804;1391799732;Duffer1;hehe 487805;1391799749;mircea_popescu;which is quite perverse 487806;1391799750;ThickAsThieves;not premined, just bought all up by MP ;) 487807;1391799771;asciilifeform;note that it is not, in principle, impossible to pull it off 487808;1391799773;mircea_popescu;i only bought like a dinner's worth 487809;1391799783;asciilifeform;just that it would have to be done by someone other than wankers 487810;1391799800;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no. a war isn't decided by personal valor. 487811;1391799808;mircea_popescu;a war is decided by which way the hills slope 487812;1391799814;pankkake;botnets (except those with good enough gpus, I think there is one that was targetting gaymers) don't mine scrypt anymore, there are cpu-only coins for that 487813;1391799842;pankkake;and those cpu coins are barely profitable unless you don't pay for electricity I think 487814;1391799856;asciilifeform;pankkake: the ones i've seen most recently mine scrypt coins (the ones that are actually worth a little) 487815;1391799860;mircea_popescu;pankkake was a link here coupla days ago bout some game site that got hussled by ny for 1mn over having made $3500 from exploiting user gpus 487816;1391799897;pankkake;primecoin would be best, it has enough volume for a big botnet 487817;1391800036;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if i recall, that was btc proper 487818;1391800042;asciilifeform;hence the microscopic yield 487819;1391800070;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0737 = 0.3685 BTC [+] 487820;1391800159;mircea_popescu;yea 487821;1391800192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12288 @ 0.00086904 = 10.6788 BTC [+] {3} 487822;1391800213;asciilifeform;i'm still waiting for 'slavecoin.' it would be the perfect 'gift from the gods' to the 'anyone with a computer Ought to Matter!' crowd. 487823;1391800227;mircea_popescu;how so. 487824;1391800254;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+] 487825;1391800255;asciilifeform;one meatbag, one hash per however-many seconds 487826;1391800257;Dimsler;altcoins blow 487827;1391800258;Duffer1;commiecoin? 487828;1391800288;asciilifeform;i can already see the chinese world of warcraft labour camps switching. 487829;1391800294;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you don't understand. the problem with those people is that they are in no way distinct. 487830;1391800297;Duffer1;satoshi's renamed to comrades 487831;1391800310;mircea_popescu;as a side-effect of this sad state of affairs, no proof of work can be devised that'd allow them to hash. 487832;1391800322;mircea_popescu;i call it the mp lemma of evil. 487833;1391800345;asciilifeform;oh, they'll hash. just not the way they imagined 487834;1391800352;asciilifeform;(hanging upside-down with arse tubes in a camp) 487835;1391800361;mircea_popescu;nop[e, they won't. 487836;1391800366;mircea_popescu;cheaper to use cows. 487837;1391800376;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.04800006 = 0.384 BTC [-] {3} 487838;1391800395;mircea_popescu;there is literally no way in which one could design a pow based on "the people". 487839;1391800401;mircea_popescu;the people can't hash. 487840;1391800406;asciilifeform;not that this is a scenario that would actually play out. just pointing out what would happen if one were to actually devise a 'one man one hash' scheme 487841;1391800418;mircea_popescu;oh. indeed so. 487842;1391800432;mircea_popescu;not only it can't be done, or in other words we've just mathematically proven they're cattle 487843;1391800436;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC 487844;1391800438;mircea_popescu;but ironically this is to their own benefit. 487845;1391800445;asciilifeform;as for it being more lucrative to keep and milk cows, this is so - and yet the world's largest distributed machine is hashing sha, not folding protein 487846;1391800455;asciilifeform;so there could be a hope for slavecoin after all. 487847;1391800498;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1400 @ 0.00080284 = 1.124 BTC [-] {3} 487848;1391800530;topace;[13:03:05] havelock doesn't report tick direction to assbot? 487849;1391800530;topace;[13:03:09] lame. 487850;1391800538;topace;the bot calculates the direction, it doesnt come from the feed 487851;1391800586;asciilifeform;wonder if anybody's built one of those foolish 100%-premined alts, and passed out the coin via 'captcha' or somesuch. 487852;1391800591;asciilifeform;good approx. of slavecoin. 487853;1391800707;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we've just mathematically proven they're cattle << insult to cattle. who are delicious, well-manageable, and otherwise an asset. 487854;1391800715;mircea_popescu;so are slaves. 487855;1391800739;asciilifeform;well, 'pet' slaves (vs. the feral kind) 487856;1391800772;mircea_popescu;a, no. pet slaves are actually quite competent, intellectually. 487857;1391800779;mircea_popescu;it's so counterintuitive this whole thing 487858;1391800864;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0055 = 0.2475 BTC 487859;1391801046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00086982 = 6.0452 BTC [+] {3} 487860;1391801047;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 570 @ 0.0055 = 3.135 BTC 487861;1391801229;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC 487862;1391801280;the20year;I'll go crazy if i just sit here and keep watching the ticker 487863;1391801302;mircea_popescu;omfg this thing is actually everything i hate. check this shit out : 487864;1391801304;mircea_popescu;http://qzlife.tumblr.com/ 487865;1391801306;ozbot;Quartzlife 487866;1391801350;mircea_popescu;bunch of hipster doofuses who imagine they're doing "a new kind of global business news outlet". 487867;1391801361;the20year;oh joy 487868;1391801375;mircea_popescu;holy shit on a stick, because hatguy and armpitbeard girl said so one day and drew some doodles on their starbucks napkins ?! 487869;1391801396;asciilifeform;ycombinator? 487870;1391801454;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/431801125583339520 << that dork led me to it. 487871;1391801455;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @mims The research you've not ... 487872;1391801494;mircea_popescu;"Quartz, Atlantic Medias mobile-first business site, launched on Monday afternoon following much fanfare this summer." 487873;1391801498;Dimsler;i don't know why you bother getting into pissing classes with the proliteriate 487874;1391801512;chipug;mircea_popescu: no.... they have pot plants too 487875;1391801543;mircea_popescu;(atlantic media being d g bradley's publishing empire of nothing in particular 487876;1391801545;chipug;and clearly know how to instagram 487877;1391801558;Duffer1;plans to burn through investor money in 3 years then declare bankruptcy 487878;1391801561;mircea_popescu;as you know the key people better than you know their supposed properties) 487879;1391801611;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 nah, see, this is mostly a campaign financing darkpool thing. 487880;1391801627;mircea_popescu;basically all those kids are either congressional aides, prostitutes or family. 487881;1391801647;Duffer1;so you're saying they're all congressional aides? 487882;1391801652;mircea_popescu;essentially. 487883;1391801658;Duffer1;i see 487884;1391801678;asciilifeform;whole civil service is this kind of darkpool 487885;1391801685;asciilifeform;in the 19th c. u.s., this was open and explicit 487886;1391801690;asciilifeform;(see: 'spoils system') 487887;1391801717;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.19376446 = 1.3564 BTC [+] 487888;1391801726;mircea_popescu;Dimsler the reason i get into pissing matches with the pro-illiterate is that i have a flow like a fire hydrand and their bosses are made of sugar. 487889;1391801766;Duffer1;i thought you were about to bust some rhymes :( 487890;1391801793;Duffer1;tell us about your flow homie 487891;1391801809;mircea_popescu;http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/24618.html here, if anyone cares for some dirt. 487892;1391801811;ozbot;David Bradley defends Atlantic Media's exclusive 'salons' - Michael Calderone - POLITICO.com 487893;1391801855;ThickAsThieves;"full-throated defense" wtf 487894;1391801861;ThickAsThieves;lol 487895;1391801867;mircea_popescu;basically "we have to take corporate money for political functions because a) we like money and b) politicians gotta meet with the corporate ppls somewhere". 487896;1391801870;mircea_popescu;seems logical. 487897;1391801895;pankkake;http://qz.com/175045/why-are-obese-brazilians-getting-discounted-tickets-to-the-world-cup/ lol 487898;1391801896;ozbot;Why are obese Brazilians getting discounted tickets to the World Cup? – Quartz 487899;1391801910;ThickAsThieves;omg the site is left-aligned 487900;1391801913;ThickAsThieves;murder them 487901;1391801915;pankkake;that site is unusable 487902;1391801939;pankkake;why can't we just have a page with one article in it and that's it 487903;1391801956;mircea_popescu;pankkake because technology 487904;1391801987;ThickAsThieves;if they could, most businesses would have every page on their home page 487905;1391801994;ThickAsThieves;at the top 487906;1391802013;mircea_popescu;hahaha 487907;1391802020;pankkake;even ~4 years ago we had clients ask for a SPLASH PAGE 487908;1391802022;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 736 @ 0.00307895 = 2.2661 BTC [+] {3} 487909;1391802037;mircea_popescu;were they in the business of selling pools ? 487910;1391802060;pankkake;lol 487911;1391802139;ThickAsThieves;this manifests in all those little floating boxes "You might also like!" "Sign up!", which used to be pop-ups 487912;1391802220;ThickAsThieves;HeySteve needs to get out of Africa 487913;1391802243;mircea_popescu;what, zaire. world famous potatoes 487914;1391802253;mircea_popescu;or was that wisconsin 487915;1391802261;ThickAsThieves;idaho 487916;1391802271;mircea_popescu;no, i'm sure idaho was with the urinals 487917;1391802277;mircea_popescu;no wait that's the french who did the cheese. 487918;1391802281;mircea_popescu;so then... who are the dutch ?! 487919;1391802290;ThickAsThieves;pointy feet 487920;1391802335;mircea_popescu;best geography question of all time, "where's holland, what's the netherlands and wo are the dutch" 487921;1391802353;mircea_popescu;bah i fucked it up 487922;1391802364;mircea_popescu;"what's holland, where's the netherlands and who are the dutch" 487923;1391802420;ThickAsThieves;answer = legal weed 487924;1391802448;truffles;legalization takes foreeeever 487925;1391802466;kakobrekla;dutch weed is illegal until it hits coffeshops 487926;1391802467;punkman1;the qz blog has a blog about itself? that's nice 487927;1391802491;kingofsports;looking to buy $400 worth of BTC 487928;1391802508;kakobrekla;prolly wrong chan to do that 487929;1391802552;ThickAsThieves;do you accept BTC? 487930;1391802569;punkman1;you mean ATC 487931;1391802576;ThickAsThieves;indeed 487932;1391802603;punkman1;can I solo-mine ATC? 487933;1391802605;deadweasel;http://cryptotronix.com/products/hashlet/ 487934;1391802606;ozbot;Hashlet | Cryptotronix, LLC 487935;1391802607;ThickAsThieves;yes 487936;1391802617;mircea_popescu;punkman1 diff was like 60k 487937;1391802630;ThickAsThieves;"SHA256 Authentication, hardware RNG, and protected key storage on an easy to mount board" 487938;1391802632;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0055 = 0.22 BTC {2} 487939;1391802633;mircea_popescu;deadweasel yet another miner ? (yam) 487940;1391802656;mircea_popescu;o look asciilifeform you've been beaten to market honey. 487941;1391802693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 226 @ 0.00308 = 0.6961 BTC [+] {2} 487942;1391802714;truffles;is that a play on technotronics hmm 487943;1391802717;punkman1;sha256 authentication? 487944;1391802728;deadweasel;setech astronomy 487945;1391802747;punkman1;does it do HMAC or something then? 487946;1391802772;BingoBoingo;punkman1: They heard a lot of crypto words and forgot to check definitions, functions, and definite functions 487947;1391802804;punkman1;BingoBoingo: sounds about right 487948;1391802812;asciilifeform;where's the rng? 487949;1391802815;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12605 = 0.2521 BTC [-] {2} 487950;1391802852;asciilifeform;ok we have the answer: 487951;1391802853;asciilifeform;http://www.atmel.com/Images/Atmel-8740-CryptoAuth-ATSHA204-Datasheet.pdf 487952;1391802882;asciilifeform;(i actually considered, and rejected, this part for the cardano key storage) 487953;1391802896;asciilifeform;it has a (satanic) rng built in. 487954;1391802910;deadweasel;the seed is always 666? 487955;1391802917;punkman1;just a breakout board for the atmel chip? 487956;1391802921;mircea_popescu;just enough cryptography, the exact equivalent of just in time industrial processes. 487957;1391802923;asciilifeform;apparently. 487958;1391802979;asciilifeform;people should know that the idea of cryptographic hardware is not the least bit new. 487959;1391802991;asciilifeform;but there are different ways to do it, and the differences matter. 487960;1391803000;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that said, some raspberry pi enhancing boards may be a good idea. 487961;1391803009;asciilifeform;live by VLSI, die by VLSI. 487962;1391803029;mircea_popescu;i suspect that thing is prolly here to stay 487963;1391803043;punkman1;there's a ton of raspberry pis 487964;1391803046;asciilifeform;remove cardano i/o daughterboard, attach ras.pi or commodore 64 or whatever, you have a machine-controlled unit. 487965;1391803056;asciilifeform;easy, with bare hands. 487966;1391803059;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [-] 487967;1391803090;mircea_popescu;yeah, but these are enthusiasts we're discussing here. 487968;1391803092;BingoBoingo;Rpi might actually be an interesting thing if maybe they would have went MIPS (or FPGA and pick a core of choice) and offered ECC Ram 487969;1391803101;asciilifeform;ras.pi, for anyone who doesn't have one lying around, is a (relatively) cheap arm box. 487970;1391803102;mircea_popescu;better ship a version w/o case and w/o daughterboard. 487971;1391803108;asciilifeform;commonly sold at hobby electronics outfits 487972;1391803108;pankkake;1MPGRCrbib3aFGtTCLF5nADZcLEAgdTu7E just got 500000.00 ATC! 487973;1391803144;asciilifeform;broadcom inc. tempted them with at-cost cpu offer 487974;1391803155;asciilifeform;and so they went with an insultingly closed arch 487975;1391803163;asciilifeform;(whole core runs closed-source blob at all times) 487976;1391803183;asciilifeform;there are other pocket-sized arm/linux affairs, they cost a little bit more. 487977;1391803185;punkman1;http://www.coreboot.org/Supported_Motherboards#Devel.2FEval_Boards 487978;1391803188;ozbot;Supported Motherboards - coreboot 487979;1391803198;asciilifeform;coreboot is an x86 bios replacement 487980;1391803204;asciilifeform;not really connected here 487981;1391803213;asciilifeform;(formerly known as 'linuxbios') 487982;1391803230;punkman1;well tiny computers, open source, it's kinda connected 487983;1391803240;mircea_popescu;yeah, but what i'm saying is : in this particular case probably cheaper and better for the free world to subvert than to replace 487984;1391803242;ThickAsThieves; 1MPGRCrbib3aFGtTCLF5nADZcLEAgdTu7E just got 500000.00 ATC! I guess we need a blockexplorer too 487985;1391803244;asciilifeform;most of the boards coreboot supports are full-size pc mobos 487986;1391803259;mircea_popescu;hence the "give the kids strong crypto as an addon, let the broadcom blob eat its nails" 487987;1391803278;mircea_popescu;pankkake cool. 487988;1391803280;pankkake;ThickAsThieves: http://blockr.io/addcoin 487989;1391803289;mircea_popescu;;;later tell vexual did you end up paying mike_c his 1 atc ? 487990;1391803289;gribble;The operation succeeded. 487991;1391803309;jespern;mircea_popescu: do you stalk every new twitter follower? :) 487992;1391803310;asciilifeform;i consider the 'host box doesn't know it has a crypto widget attached' an essential feature of cardano, but maybe that's just me. 487993;1391803319;the20year;atc? 487994;1391803331;pankkake;the20year: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.0 487995;1391803338;mircea_popescu;jespern no, but i have currently 3 people stalking my stalkers, and they're apparently real good at it. 487996;1391803364;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC 487997;1391803375;asciilifeform;but yes, the linked widget is just atmel's old crypto accelerator mounted on an adapter board: http://atmelcorporation.wordpress.com/2014/01/30/atmels-atsha204-helps-secure-the-bbb 487998;1391803388;mircea_popescu;the difficulties of scaling. you end up overdeveloping some depts some of the time. 487999;1391803399;the20year;is atc traded anywhere? 488000;1391803420;mike_c;i believe you are in the atc-otc channel 488001;1391803420;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i wonder why they do things like this srsly. takes anyone five minutes to figure out WHY "we've been featured on atmel blog". 488002;1391803425;asciilifeform;if anybody here has a box of ATSHA204 and an electron microscope, now's your hour! 488003;1391803469;Duffer1;the20year maybe Benny might want it added to Ciphertrade? :P 488004;1391803492;asciilifeform;i actually first came across that atmel part when looking into commercial ICs having sha256 488005;1391803505;the20year;lol i doubt it 488006;1391803508;asciilifeform;in the early days of fpga mining 488007;1391803522;asciilifeform;or maybe it was a previous atmel 488008;1391803525;asciilifeform;same idea though 488009;1391803529;Duffer1;hehe 488010;1391803551;ThickAsThieves;[15:05] lol i doubt it --- I don't 488011;1391803599;kingofsports;mircea_popescu how much have MPEX profited so far from that large option sale to you guys? have u guys closed it yet? 488012;1391803625;asciilifeform;btw that part is mostly used 'for evil' (e.g. vendor-locked printer cartridges) 488013;1391803650;Duffer1;it was probably a heartstopping amount king 488014;1391803667;mircea_popescu;kingofsports http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#482905 488015;1391803669;Duffer1;i don't think i want to know exact numbers 488016;1391803671;ThickAsThieves;In case anyone is interested: ASICMINER PT-Issued Shares Chart http://i.imgur.com/eqsvmcb.png 488017;1391803700;kingofsports;wow so MPEX shareholders gonna make bank this month 488018;1391803710;mircea_popescu;so far. 488019;1391803713;kingofsports;how much did that user have to have on hold to cover the options he sold u guys? 488020;1391803791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7070 @ 0.00086461 = 6.1128 BTC [-] 488021;1391803791;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=449354.0 488022;1391803794;ozbot;MASSIVE options order on apex.co 488023;1391803794;mircea_popescu;haha check it out, apex. 488024;1391803806;mircea_popescu;KingCoin like .6 btc/contract or something 488025;1391803869;kingofsports;BUGPOWDER!\ 488026;1391803873;kingofsports;long time no see 488027;1391803877;ThickAsThieves;"I just read their FAQ which basically says to their customer base "idiots fuck off and die". " 488028;1391803887;chipug;lol 488029;1391803904;Bugpowder;So much for localbitcoins 488030;1391803906;Bugpowder;http://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/02/florida-targets-high-dollar-bitcoin-exchangers/ 488031;1391803913;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02820003 = 0.1128 BTC [+] 488032;1391803914;Duffer1;so a noob gets it, but jimmothy is told it repeatedly in a months long thread and still doesn't seem to understand 488033;1391803935;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 will, it's a wonderful thing. 488034;1391803948;mircea_popescu;jespern how do you like -assets anyway. 488035;1391803950;ozbot;Florida Targets High-Dollar Bitcoin Exchangers — Krebs on Security 488036;1391803992;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder message seems to be more along the lines of a shakedown than anything 488037;1391804001;mircea_popescu;"get in bed with a local politico now!" 488038;1391804033;asciilifeform;still don't understand why a fellow buying/selling stolen card #s needs to meet anyone in person. 488039;1391804035;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [+] 488040;1391804046;kingofsports;@bugpowder u looking to sell any coins? remember when they were $100 a pop ;) 488041;1391804048;asciilifeform;btc, pgp, card stripe writer. 488042;1391804126;Bugpowder;I only buy, never sell 488043;1391804144;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform when you're done with that, you can work on explaining why the secret ruler of a self-proclaimed drug marketplace which can't sell drugs has to order "hits" over unknown derps it can't verify got killed. 488044;1391804153;Bugpowder;" Those same documents show that the undercover agent told Reid he wanted to use the Bitcoins to buy credit cards stolen in the Target breach.” 488045;1391804169;asciilifeform;aha he wanted to convert bag of cash to btc. 488046;1391804170;mircea_popescu;or, alternatively, why twenny something businessmen have to document their reefer purchases in writing for the benefit of ulterior prosecution 488047;1391804174;mircea_popescu;or other things. 488048;1391804222;Bugpowder;oh man the short puts guy is getting reaming 488049;1391804224;Bugpowder;reamed 488050;1391804233;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: or why dpr ever had to see, touch, or smell the wares personally 488051;1391804234;mircea_popescu;it's in pretty deep so far. 488052;1391804240;Bugpowder;down 3800BTC... 488053;1391804257;kingofsports;when is MPEX going to close the options mircea? 488054;1391804263;kingofsports;or do u guys just let it ride 488055;1391804279;ThickAsThieves;when it reaches collateral? 488056;1391804283;mircea_popescu;well it's definitely not closing while the spot is below 24h ago spot 488057;1391804283;asciilifeform;incidentally, we cannot possibly know what parts of the dpr story are fictional 488058;1391804288;asciilifeform;could be all of it 488059;1391804297;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, some parts we can know. 488060;1391804318;mircea_popescu;granted, that doesn't actually cover the entire hitman lulz. 488061;1391804433;ThickAsThieves;"A top market overseer called for a sweeping review of computer-driven securities markets Thursday, saying regulators should focus on “points of failure” such as computerized links between stock exchanges and so-called mini-flash crashes in stocks." 488062;1391804595;benkay;next they'll be telling us what the real value of pepsi stock is in dollars, and how many dollars can buy a btc. 488063;1391804603;ThickAsThieves;in case anyone cares, this was the blog Deprived was working on: http://bittopic.com/ 488064;1391804613;ThickAsThieves;i guess he's a runner 488065;1391804808;Bugpowder;Never trust anyone that doesn't hang out in bitcoin-assets 488066;1391804824;chipug;have any of you used fb ads before? 488067;1391804927;chipug;wondering efficacy 488068;1391804928;mircea_popescu;sucks, because he was promising. 488069;1391804941;mircea_popescu;chipug you still trying to promote a website chat thing ? 488070;1391804943;mike_c;chipug: depends what you want. 488071;1391804950;mike_c;traffic, it works. sales, it does not. 488072;1391804966;chipug;yep mircea_popescu kind of last stab 488073;1391804991;chipug;mike_c: I'm just wanting clicks to the site, so maybe it will be ok 488074;1391805001;benkay;if you have the right biz, chipug it works well. 488075;1391805001;Bugpowder;yeah, deprived was smart. 488076;1391805002;mircea_popescu;chipug listen hon, you're wasting your time doing something we know is stupid. 488077;1391805009;mircea_popescu;waste your time doing something we don't know is stupid yet. 488078;1391805026;Bugpowder;did he bail because he couldn't cover a difficulty move/ 488079;1391805027;Bugpowder;? 488080;1391805034;benkay;amigo of mine runs a small game studio. they outlay 10k/mo on fb ads and do quite well for themselves. 488081;1391805037;mike_c;chipug: what are you working on? link? 488082;1391805045;chipug;why is it stupid though? 488083;1391805065;benkay;of course your customers are old women. 488084;1391805075;chipug;https://loquacious.cc mike_c we took away rewards and made it not btc so it died when the beggars left 488085;1391805076;ozbot;Loquacious - web based water cooler 488086;1391805133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6744 @ 0.00086954 = 5.8642 BTC [+] 488087;1391805135;benkay;'cause irc 488088;1391805164;mircea_popescu;chipug well, you never answered me a few days ago when i asked you how you expect it to compete with irc. 488089;1391805167;mircea_popescu;so how do you ? 488090;1391805178;mike_c;make it a plugin like disqus (without the suck) 488091;1391805188;mike_c;then it's a better troll-box 488092;1391805194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8206 @ 0.00087001 = 7.1393 BTC [+] {2} 488093;1391805245;jborkl;webirc is the best trollbox for irc 488094;1391805247;chipug;mircea_popescu: little quirks, like smilies and you can take a web cam picture in-chat. +1s for comments you like, you can tip credits. buy colours badges, have an avatar, friends list 488095;1391805278;ThickAsThieves; did he bail because he couldn't cover a difficulty move --- nah, he either bailed because btc went to $1k and he said ah fuckit, or because he realized that the ciphertrade scam would make his bonds unredeemable 488096;1391805278;jborkl;webirc and vpn you can troll the shit out of people 488097;1391805290;mircea_popescu;chipug so it's going to beat irc by being facebook ? 488098;1391805291;ThickAsThieves;he used shareholder reserves to buy cipherbonds 488099;1391805291;chipug;i feel like the fussy parts of irc are taken away with the bits people like still left in, if that makes sense 488100;1391805295;ThickAsThieves;which i voted against 488101;1391805304;chipug;maybe somewhere in between mircea_popescu? 488102;1391805310;Bugpowder;cipherbonds????? 488103;1391805314;Bugpowder;wtf is this shit? 488104;1391805317;ThickAsThieves;on BTCT 488105;1391805318;mircea_popescu;chipug but that's not how business works. 488106;1391805323;ThickAsThieves;ciphermine issued bonds 488107;1391805340;ThickAsThieves;perpetual, payout based on USD 488108;1391805344;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder he likely got depressed over his association with the weirdo transsexual nut. 488109;1391805355;chipug;not to beat irc mircea_popescu just catch the ones that can't be arsed with irc perhaps 488110;1391805364;ThickAsThieves;maybe he got sent to rehab / AA 488111;1391805369;ThickAsThieves;dude was def a drinker 488112;1391805373;mircea_popescu;hm. 488113;1391805378;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00532 = 0.532 BTC [-] 488114;1391805379;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51989996 BTC [-] 488115;1391805380;jborkl; Bugpowder he likely got depressed over his association with the weirdo transsexual nut << is that a dude? Kate is Craig 488127;1391805470;mircea_popescu;pankkake i dunno his "association" with usagi was to his detriment. 488128;1391805474;Duffer1;he was on the advisory board for Ciphertrade before he disappeared, might have something to do with his decission regarding bonds 488129;1391805479;Duffer1;ffs spelling today >.< 488130;1391805483;mircea_popescu;guy just used to follow princess around and poke holes in his posts. was lulzy. 488131;1391805499;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 127 @ 0.00079 = 0.1003 BTC [-] 488132;1391805539;ThickAsThieves;guy, his, what does it all mean?! 488133;1391805549;Duffer1;fascinating 488134;1391805574;Duffer1;TaT do you have any plans to issue anything on Ciphertrade? 488135;1391805580;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: http://grantland.com/features/a-mysterious-physicist-golf-club-dr-v/ 488136;1391805582;kakobrekla;21:37.36 ( ThickAsThieves ) [15:37] is that a dude? Kate is Craig < what?? 488137;1391805620;ThickAsThieves; TaT do you have any plans to issue anything on Ciphertrade? --- no, i do no 488138;1391805622;ThickAsThieves;t 488139;1391805630;ThickAsThieves;kakobrekla you didnt know? 488140;1391805639;kakobrekla;who or what is craig 488141;1391805648;ThickAsThieves;Kate's original name 488142;1391805657;ThickAsThieves;her man name\ 488143;1391805661;ThickAsThieves;her slave name 488144;1391805670;ThickAsThieves;i dunno what the y call it 488145;1391805680;kakobrekla;so that avatar is chick with dick? 488146;1391805684;ThickAsThieves;yes 488147;1391805687;ThickAsThieves;no joke 488148;1391805689;kakobrekla;cool. 488149;1391805691;Bugpowder;Don't tell me Dr. V is involved with bitcoin. 488150;1391805715;mircea_popescu;chipug don't get me wrong, i understand you want to do something, and it's commendable and everything. just, atm, you're in the position of someone throwing themselves into a woodchipper. 488151;1391805716;BingoBoingo;Bugpowder: Can't be unless cadavers can bitcoin 488152;1391805716;ThickAsThieves;https://www.google.com/search?q=kate+craig+wood&oq=kate+craig+wood&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.4346j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8 don't fap now! 488153;1391805732;mircea_popescu;stop wasting your meager resources on boneheaded stuff like facebook campaigns that will never see a roi 488154;1391805732;Bugpowder;nsfw 488155;1391805732;pankkake;she doesn't have a dick anymore, so no 488156;1391805737;Bugpowder;not clicking 488157;1391805752;pankkake;http://iwanttobeagirl.org/ 488158;1391805763;mod6;yikes 488159;1391805772;ThickAsThieves;she got fat http://www.flickr.com/photos/88155302@N08/8549055276/ 488160;1391805774;ozbot;I WANT TO BE A GIRL : Help for young transexuals / transsexual children / kid 488161;1391805800;mircea_popescu;yeah, only about 60% of all kids want to be the other kind. sites like that are fucking abuse. 488162;1391805807;jborkl;so that blond is a dude? I am confused as I missed some relevant parts of this conv 488163;1391805816;ThickAsThieves;facebook ads are the worst performance of like all options, other than for some very specific uses 488164;1391805826;mircea_popescu;showing a six year old girl DP and horse on girl action is fine, showing her pages about "support for her elbow-kissing" bs is criminal. 488165;1391805827;ThickAsThieves;yes the blonde is a dude 488166;1391805834;ThickAsThieves;the person running ciphereverything 488167;1391805864;kakobrekla;http://kate.craig-wood.com/ 488168;1391805865;ozbot;Female Entrepreneur, Technology Speaker & Green IT Expert - Kate Craig-Wood 488169;1391805866;kakobrekla;amazing 488170;1391805866;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 488171;1391805881;jborkl;I wonder if he sold his dick to China when they cut it off 488172;1391805885;kakobrekla;fail as male, lets try female, its easier 488173;1391805893;ThickAsThieves;she took scamming to a whole new level i guess 488174;1391805900;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla except it's only easier if you have big natural tits. 488175;1391805912;kakobrekla;less competition 488176;1391805922;kakobrekla;put female in front of everything you do 488177;1391805936;kakobrekla;and suddenly you are cream of the crop 488178;1391805946;mircea_popescu;i do that with "Romanian" already. 488179;1391805951;kakobrekla;hehehe 488180;1391805992;mircea_popescu;"I am very active within the UK high-tech sector and was recently ranked the 20th most influential person in British ICT by in Computer Weekly's UKtech50. " 488181;1391806001;mircea_popescu;i guess that goes to show just how relevant these things are. 488182;1391806005;ThickAsThieves;Altcoin has a pool! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg5004540#msg5004540 488183;1391806013;Duffer1;"First woman to tandem skydive past Everest" 488184;1391806029;mircea_popescu;whoa. 488185;1391806031;pankkake;omgizz! 488186;1391806048;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC 488187;1391806050;jborkl;what is difficulty anyway Tat? 488188;1391806052;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves this is so fucking ridiculous, do you know how much dough keiser spent to get his pool ? 488189;1391806054;mircea_popescu;roflmao 488190;1391806073;ThickAsThieves;yknow it's much more gratifying for Altcoin to get all these pieces separately 488191;1391806085;Duffer1;i think he payed for 2 pools 488192;1391806090;ThickAsThieves;than to have made some mega effort to unleash 30 parts at once 488193;1391806092;Duffer1;neither were ready at launch of his coin 488194;1391806093;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla don't we can has email of blockr.io say them add atc ? 488195;1391806094;Duffer1;lul 488196;1391806107;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 you've been paying attention. 488197;1391806107;jborkl;people pay for pools to be made, hmm 488198;1391806109;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 265 @ 0.0055 = 1.4575 BTC {2} 488199;1391806127;Duffer1;i don't do much else these days 488200;1391806134;mircea_popescu;jborkl was like 60k 488201;1391806151;jborkl;what the fuck? why didnt you send him my way 488202;1391806152;Duffer1;though i don't know how i missed kates missing dick, that was a surprise 488203;1391806166;pankkake;jborkl: they pay for everything. pools, exchanges, explorers 488204;1391806172;mircea_popescu;jborkl haha he didn't ask me lol 488205;1391806177;pankkake;it's a whole scamconomy 488206;1391806189;jborkl;damnit, I can make one in 5 minutes now 488207;1391806194;mircea_popescu;if he asked me i'd have pointed him your way resulting in him having a working pool for a fraction of the cost in time 488208;1391806197;ThickAsThieves;so make one! 488209;1391806200;ThickAsThieves;for ATC 488210;1391806200;Duffer1;he's probably made more than that back 488211;1391806202;jborkl;I already have 488212;1391806205;ThickAsThieves;oh 488213;1391806206;mircea_popescu;HOWEVER also resulting in him not being Max Fuckwit anymore 488214;1391806210;jborkl;oh not for atc 488215;1391806213;mircea_popescu;and for some people, identity is very important. 488216;1391806225;Duffer1;1900btc trade volum on maxcoin on mcxnow since yesterday >.< 488217;1391806225;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 made jack shit. doge hasn't seen green and now it never will. 488218;1391806251;mircea_popescu;maxcoin seeing green is like making diamonds in the desert by jumping up and donw 488219;1391806262;ThickAsThieves;the maxcoin event was so hideous to me 488220;1391806264;mircea_popescu;not only that's not enough pressure, but moreover diamonds are made of carbon not silica 488221;1391806274;ThickAsThieves;i dunno if that makes me a hypocrite 488222;1391806279;ThickAsThieves;but i dont think so 488223;1391806306;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves there's a difference between a retarded man dressing in a clown suit as his business outfit 488224;1391806313;Duffer1;there's an argument for your legit experiment vs his outright scam 488225;1391806318;mircea_popescu;and a sane man dressing in a clown outfit to scare the shit out of everyone at the office one day 488226;1391806321;jborkl;what is your coin again Tat? 488227;1391806342;Duffer1;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.0 488228;1391806345;ozbot;[SHA256] Altcoin 488229;1391806460;KRS-One;Invest today. 488230;1391806536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.0008702 = 6.0479 BTC [+] 488231;1391806582;mircea_popescu;sooo, who wants some altcoins ? 488232;1391806589;Duffer1;<-- 488233;1391806617;mircea_popescu;pankkake be so kind send Duffer1 1337 ATC when you have a moment. 488234;1391806624;BingoBoingo;I dunno who doesn' want altcoins 488235;1391806632;pankkake;post address 488236;1391806636;mircea_popescu;pankkake be so kind send BingoBoingo 1337 ATC when you have a moment. 488237;1391806643;jborkl;what is a addnode for alt 488238;1391806649;BingoBoingo;1N2vdbBpvhmeAELqCdWYWcLo5rxnBsZ2zo 488239;1391806654;Duffer1;make it raIn Pappascu 488240;1391806654;mircea_popescu;jborkl see that thread. 488241;1391806658;Duffer1;:P 488242;1391806660;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.300 488243;1391806662;jborkl;oh ok 488244;1391806681;KRS-One;Where will this coin be traded? Curious to see the valuation 488245;1391806688;mircea_popescu;KRS-One see that thread :D 488246;1391806696;KRS-One;mk 488247;1391806696;mircea_popescu;so far it's about on par with doge. maybe a little more. 488248;1391806702;KRS-One;lol 488249;1391806704;pankkake;if you use the open source version, you don't need addnodes 488250;1391806706;mod6;I'll have to try to pick up some of those ATC's later. (don't have my pub addr handy atm) 488251;1391806708;ThickAsThieves;i'd like some, but i dont even have a awallet yet 488252;1391806716;KRS-One;now i want to know when is the pump 488253;1391806721;Duffer1;neither do i >.< 488254;1391806724;ThickAsThieves;i dont wanna run that coingen exe 488255;1391806726;mod6;tried to solo-mine (cpu) some about a week ago, unsuccessfully. might just have to buy some. 488256;1391806727;ThickAsThieves;:X 488257;1391806741;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you still don't have any ? 488258;1391806744;ThickAsThieves;nope 488259;1391806746;mircea_popescu;lmao 488260;1391806748;ThickAsThieves;never even loaded the app 488261;1391806753;mod6;wat 488262;1391806760;asciilifeform;what's the plan? dump when moon is full? 488263;1391806760;mircea_popescu;such a hypocrite srsly. 488264;1391806766;ThickAsThieves;lol 488265;1391806786;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is no plan 488266;1391806822;ThickAsThieves;we need win/linux packages of it 488267;1391806824;BingoBoingo;Oh thank you. I hope there is nevar and Altcoin pump. I don't want to be tempted to split such a nice round number. 488268;1391806828;ThickAsThieves;of the pankkake strain of it 488269;1391806839;mod6;im running it on linux... 488270;1391806841;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 27 @ 0.00532 = 0.1436 BTC [-] 488271;1391806842;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo who would pump such a thing, srsly. 488272;1391806842;mod6;64 bit 488273;1391806845;chipug;sorry for delayed repsonse, been cooking. a woodchipper mircea? you think i'm fighting a losing battle just because where site came from originally? i don't want to do nothing.. i'm not so good at giving up. thanks for your thoughts guys by the way, much appreciated 488274;1391806850;mod6;am I missing something? 488275;1391806867;mircea_popescu;chipug not what i said woman. you gotta read what i say not just replace it with what you've heard people say. 488276;1391806883;benkay;i'll take some alt. 488277;1391806898;mircea_popescu;benkay don't ask to ask, addy to ask. 488278;1391806913;benkay;would you be so kind as to run my alt-books as well, pankkake? 488279;1391806920;mircea_popescu;aaaa-hahaha. 488280;1391806922;pankkake;eh… 488281;1391806928;mircea_popescu;you're not getting an alt unless you run a wallet. 488282;1391806931;pankkake;well you don't need to actually run the wallet 488283;1391806932;mircea_popescu;what is this, metameta ?! 488284;1391806932;asciilifeform;what's the addr algo for 'altcoin' ? 488285;1391806936;pankkake;just use vanitygen 488286;1391806945;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im pretty sure it's exact copy of btc 488287;1391806949;pankkake;version number is same as btc 488288;1391806968;pankkake;so I can actually send to your bitcoin addresses in altcoin 488289;1391806973;pankkake;magic! 488290;1391806981;mircea_popescu;chipug you don't have an angle. as a small entity with little money you need a god damned good angle. otherwise, what you're trying to do, compete on execution,... you'll get crushed by the larger entities. see ? 488291;1391806991;jborkl;the addnode you put up pankkake is not working 488292;1391806999;mircea_popescu;pankkake ya but then you're stuck having to export addies. 488293;1391807006;benkay;come on pankkake. alt-coin broker to the stars. 488294;1391807009;jborkl;188.165.216.59 488295;1391807012;Bugpowder;Holy shit, second market bought 5870BTC on Wednesday. 488296;1391807016;pankkake;jborkl: what's happenining? because it's one of my servers 488297;1391807032;Bugpowder;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337486.0 488298;1391807034;jborkl;wait it finally hooked up 488299;1391807035;ozbot;SecondMarket Bitcoin Investment Trust Observer 488300;1391807035;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder isn't this instructive as to their relative unimportance ? would you say ? 488301;1391807051;Duffer1;they plan to create an exchange 488302;1391807053;asciilifeform;1snsaCCwLsKjuUqfjK7qat696P5xYCoYn 488303;1391807054;jborkl;just trying to dl the blockchain for it 488304;1391807059;mircea_popescu;ahaha 488305;1391807064;Duffer1;nice 488306;1391807067;mircea_popescu;pankkake 1snsaCCwLsKjuUqfjK7qat696P5xYCoYn << 1337 svp 488307;1391807070;mod6;ThickAsThieves: did you ever hear back from BlueMatt about the source? 488308;1391807087;Bugpowder;They are about as important a big early adopter 488309;1391807102;Bugpowder;80,000BTC holders have some clout 488310;1391807113;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder they deployed 6mn in capital, took it in the teeth for 10% the next day. sounds kinda chump-y. 488311;1391807130;KRS-One;U can try to get a hold of Fontas. Behold: Teh FONTAS pump. 488312;1391807163;Bugpowder;long time horizon, can't time the market. Just buy as the money comes in. 488313;1391807178;mircea_popescu;yeah well. 488314;1391807191;Bugpowder;people that use them are chumpy 488315;1391807193;mircea_popescu;clout usually is about shorter timespans than "eventually". 488316;1391807218;Bugpowder;Do we know what they PAID for those coins? 488317;1391807219;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder so then there we go, 80k btc holders in 500 different hands are... well... what they are. 488318;1391807228;mircea_popescu;im sure they didn't get them for ALT. 488319;1391807240;Bugpowder;maybe they got them below market 488320;1391807253;mircea_popescu;for that token, maybe they got them 15% over spot. 488321;1391807276;KRS-One;http://www.livememe.com/ddtoo75 488322;1391807277;ozbot;livememe.com - chikun 488323;1391807451;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.13499792 = 0.675 BTC [+] {2} 488324;1391807529;BingoBoingo;;;nethash Altcoin 488325;1391807530;gribble;(nethash takes no arguments) -- Shows the current estimate for total network hash rate, in Ghps. 488326;1391807596;mircea_popescu;mod6 afaik he finally did get the sauce. 488327;1391807695;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04556002 = 0.2278 BTC [-] {2} 488328;1391807739;mod6;ahh, ok cool. 488329;1391807784;mod6;should link that on the homepage, ThickAsThieves 488330;1391807797;jborkl;I put a stratum pool on it 488331;1391807805;jborkl;hehe blow up diff 488332;1391807810;jborkl;62.7 not for long 488333;1391807862;mircea_popescu;this should be interesting. 488334;1391807905;mircea_popescu;i suppose if "the core dev" power-rangers fuck up too badly we can just move on to atc and be all liek... whatever. 488335;1391807975;ThickAsThieves;i got one! 17dXWwn7hcTtSQpBptXaoRWuR6SPETst2U 488336;1391807997;KRS-One;i guess i can set up my asics to mine directly 488337;1391808000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00086806 = 7.0313 BTC [-] 488338;1391808008;ThickAsThieves; should link that on the homepage, ThickAsThieves -- i will this weekend, gotta go 488339;1391808072;ThickAsThieves;http://www.coindesk.com/secondmarket-takes-first-step-to-becoming-us-exchange-with-new-seller-service/ 488340;1391808101;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdrnyzKyxE1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg 488341;1391808162;mod6;ThickAsThieves: aight thanks man 488342;1391808305;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5075 @ 0.00086972 = 4.4138 BTC [+] {2} 488343;1391808317;chipug;mircea_popescu: lol @ the seated lassie's expression 488344;1391808366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8125 @ 0.00087096 = 7.0766 BTC [+] {2} 488345;1391808610;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 488346;1391808665;deadweasel;http://www.itnews.com.au/News/371774,russia-bans-bitcoin.aspx ? 488347;1391808667;ozbot;Russia bans Bitcoin - Finance - Business - News - iTnews.com.au 488348;1391808683;asciilifeform;deadweasel: old news 488349;1391808866;KRS-One;.bait 488350;1391808868;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/0cf5c46475d4f71bcdc2f4d2388ed299/tumblr_mi46cf9pOw1s03awmo1_1280.jpg 488351;1391808915;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 39 @ 0.0055 = 0.2145 BTC 488352;1391808918;KRS-One;ATC needs an official .bait 488353;1391809037;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00086687 = 8.1486 BTC [-] 488354;1391809058;pankkake;http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/alt-girl 488355;1391809061;ozbot;alt girl on Tumblr 488356;1391809075;mircea_popescu;lol 488357;1391809098;pankkake;https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/7f9c7b26a052d67986aa1b017ce422be/tumblr_mmvx2akUip1rh8rhuo1_500.jpg 488358;1391809123;mircea_popescu;basically tattoos only work on white chicks of that particular complexion 488359;1391809142;pankkake;I have a hard time with colored tattoos 488360;1391809171;asciilifeform;wonder if anyone makes a tattoo printer. 488361;1391809179;asciilifeform;dot-matrix style 488362;1391809188;mircea_popescu;give it that nice limoges look 488363;1391809190;asciilifeform;(can't help but think of Kafka's 'The Penal Colony') 488364;1391809203;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it would probably need a full body scanner tho 488365;1391809205;asciilifeform;(the man invented the dot-matrix printer! seriously.) 488366;1391809266;Bugpowder;looks like my ex with smaller tatas 488367;1391809276;asciilifeform;doesn't have to be full body - can run it over skin, like a shaver. 488368;1391809315;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you ever had one of those hand-held scanners ? 488369;1391809320;asciilifeform;yes 488370;1391809324;mircea_popescu;they SUCKED 488371;1391809328;asciilifeform;they sure did. 488372;1391809341;mircea_popescu;so no, no run it over skin like a shaver. please no. 488373;1391809348;asciilifeform;newer ones with an optical mouse-style sensor instead of the wheels almost work. 488374;1391809354;jborkl;Tat, regular stratum runs against it but- mining.submit must be different. You will need to ask 488375;1391809357;mircea_popescu;dumbass teenyboppers of 2020 will do it and if they do i will hunt you down 488376;1391809367;asciilifeform;(optical mouse scans skin just fine, try it) 488377;1391809400;asciilifeform;http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/other/moodinq_main_zoom.jpg 488378;1391809401;asciilifeform;fake? 488379;1391809409;Bugpowder;re: second market exchange : i guess they need a way to start liquidating ? 488380;1391809427;asciilifeform;http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/moodinq-tattoo.shtml 488381;1391809428;ozbot;ThinkGeek :: moodINQ - Programmable Tattoo System 488382;1391809434;asciilifeform;ok fake. but exactly what i imagined. 488383;1391809439;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdo840RqwH1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg << never sit in a club queue again 488384;1391809454;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i would think so. 488385;1391809456;pankkake;oh, I like that one 488386;1391809460;pankkake;if only pic was bigger :( 488387;1391809465;mircea_popescu;"for illustrative purposes only" 488388;1391809483;pankkake;https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/c97b56d35fdddb6a7ce002dddd2e94e7/tumblr_mg3p7bFur41rmcr76o1_1280.jpg 488389;1391809516;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdo88qoXHz1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg << and this'd be the real problem with boobjobs. 488390;1391809525;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 488391;1391809532;asciilifeform;http://techtripper.com/a-tattoo-making-robot-that-etches-your-forearm-with-a-religion-of-its-own-choice/ 488392;1391809533;ozbot;A tattoo making robot that etches your forearm with a religion of its own choice | TechTripper 488393;1391809576;asciilifeform;cat pgp.pl > /dev/tattoo 488394;1391809581;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ok, that may work, but... 488395;1391809586;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1349999 BTC [+] 488396;1391809602;mircea_popescu;" Tattoos made by the robot cannot be compared with handmade tattoos and the device would need more advanced mechanism to imitate the behavior of artists who hold the skin tight to engrave tattoos." 488397;1391809624;mircea_popescu;now this at least has good spatial controls. the razor thing... heh 488398;1391809631;BingoBoingo;;;ident BingoBoingo 488399;1391809632;gribble;Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is not identified. 488400;1391809665;Duffer1;what's Altcoins vanitygen -x value? 488401;1391809669;Duffer1;0? 488402;1391809706;BingoBoingo;;;ident BingoBoingo 488403;1391809706;gribble;Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None 488404;1391809723;asciilifeform;can we get altc addrs in those? 488405;1391809724;BingoBoingo;WTB: 30,000 Altcoins @150 satoshis per 488406;1391809769;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [-] 488407;1391809776;Duffer1;is your snsa address not a altcoin address? 488408;1391809793;asciilifeform;shat out by vanitygen, so, it is. 488409;1391809815;mircea_popescu;usure ? 488410;1391809834;BingoBoingo;I've got to take my Altcoin balance from 1337 to 31337 488411;1391809841;Duffer1;i don't know enough about the process involved to know if it's generating a Altcoin compatible address 488412;1391809868;Duffer1;i really don't want to run the exe hehe 488413;1391809900;mircea_popescu;prolly smart. 488414;1391809914;asciilifeform;if lifted from classic btc, it's compatible. 488415;1391809938;mod6;yeah, i cringe at running pre-compiled binaries. 488416;1391809952;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] 5000 @ 0.00062099 = 3.105 BTC [-] 488417;1391809967;asciilifeform;i'm still waiting for the first directly trojaned altcoin. 488418;1391809975;mike_c;did i miss the l33t giveaway? i'd like to hoard some more atc at 1NUNo4rF9a5gehszwSu8W7uMGaJs4Ee2dX 488419;1391809977;mircea_popescu;it happened afaik 488420;1391809979;mod6;but was excited enough to try it out to see if I could get a solo-block. didn't happen. lol 488421;1391809994;mircea_popescu;mike_c it's for ppl who has none! i'm not sending tat any either 488422;1391809998;mike_c;aww 488423;1391810013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] 4350 @ 0.000621 = 2.7014 BTC [+] 488424;1391810014;asciilifeform;trojaned in the 'magic block sets up the bomb' style 488425;1391810019;mircea_popescu;let him be destitute in the land he helped create. 488426;1391810032;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform iirc it was just some random crapware bundled with the wallet 488427;1391810057;asciilifeform;ah that's lame. should be diddled in a way that survives recompile. 488428;1391810070;asciilifeform;UCC-style. 488429;1391810083;mircea_popescu;you keep thinking you're in this parallel universe where people like... put effort into what they do and whatnot. 488430;1391810091;asciilifeform;i sorta live there 488431;1391810095;mircea_popescu;sprezzatura, read up on it. 488432;1391810110;mircea_popescu;the bug that ruined five empires 488433;1391810128;BingoBoingo;http://valleywag.gawker.com/this-man-is-representing-aol-on-live-television-1518467796/@sarah-hedgecock 488434;1391810128;assbot;123! 488435;1391810129;ozbot;This Man Is Representing AOL on Live Television 488436;1391810150;mircea_popescu;waitwait. hedge c0k ?! 488437;1391810172;BingoBoingo;Looks like it, gotta hedge those c0k values 488438;1391810192;mircea_popescu;over 9000 c0x hedged so far 488439;1391810196;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.003081 = 0.2773 BTC [+] 488440;1391810199;BingoBoingo;c0k futures are even more precarious than difficulty futures 488441;1391810204;asciilifeform;'for every smart orifice,' there's a spiked hedge-c0k... 488442;1391810302;BingoBoingo;I wonder if that futurist is Vexual? 488443;1391810319;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13499999 BTC [+] 488444;1391810433;pankkake;Duffer1: the default one, don't touch it and you'll get an alc address 488445;1391810454;Duffer1;kk 488446;1391810465;mircea_popescu;o it's alc now ? 488447;1391810473;mircea_popescu;alt atc not confusing enough ? 488448;1391810493;mircea_popescu;ima call them qoq 488449;1391810501;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.0055 = 1.65 BTC 488450;1391810562;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 488451;1391810577;BingoBoingo;Imma still looking for 30K QOQ @150 satoshi so my wallet can be 31337 488452;1391810585;ThickAsThieves;"alters" sounds okay verbally for satoshis, or maybe we just call them alms 488453;1391810596;ThickAsThieves; Tat, regular stratum runs against it but- mining.submit must be different. You will need to ask --- ask what now? 488454;1391810623;ThickAsThieves; mike_c it's for ppl who has none! i'm not sending tat any either --- you mutha! 488455;1391810637;jborkl;give me aa few minutes I and changing some stuff and see if it works 488456;1391810641;mike_c;we're out in the cold 488457;1391810648;mike_c;me with 1, you with 0 :) 488458;1391810650;mircea_popescu;suffar yo 488459;1391810668;mircea_popescu;mike_c i thought you were mining ? 488460;1391810684;ThickAsThieves;you know whatd be funny, i make a deal with ASICMINER to buy hashes and point them at it 488461;1391810704;mircea_popescu;what'd a block cost ftr ? 488462;1391810713;mike_c;i gave it a half-hearted attempt the other day, but i don't have a good gpu for it. 488463;1391810725;ThickAsThieves;block cost? reward is 512 488464;1391810735;mircea_popescu;mike_c ok if you honeslty have none you can get a 1336 set then you can be leet too 488465;1391810747;mike_c;but, for the lulz: WTB: 30,000 ATC at 151 satoshis 488466;1391810753;mircea_popescu;;;genrate 1000 60000 488467;1391810754;gribble;The expected generation output, at 1000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 60000.0, is 8.38177527385 BTC per day and 0.34924063641 BTC per hour. 488468;1391810762;Duffer1;pankakke 1DuffFBtKvCzEbp2bG93XViW2ESgwRh6M9 488469;1391810785;ThickAsThieves;expensive 488470;1391810786;mircea_popescu;sooo... 1 ghps would make .35 atc per hour ? 488471;1391810794;mircea_popescu;what's a ghps sell for ? 488472;1391810805;ThickAsThieves;no idea 488473;1391810819;mike_c;;;calc 30000 * 0.00000151 488474;1391810819;gribble;0.0453 488475;1391810838;ThickAsThieves;1.6ghs for $60 on amazon 488476;1391810864;mircea_popescu;1 hr ? 488477;1391810867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00086687 = 0.9102 BTC [-] 488478;1391810872;mike_c;;;calc 0.0453 * [ticker --last] 488479;1391810872;gribble;32.848557063 488480;1391810875;ThickAsThieves;i mean a miner 488481;1391810878;ThickAsThieves;sry 488482;1391810879;jborkl;Attempting block submit 488483;1391810879;jborkl;Block result: { 488484;1391810879;jborkl;"id": "-1451344613", 488485;1391810879;jborkl;"result": "rejected", 488486;1391810879;jborkl;"error": null 488487;1391810880;pankkake;Duffer1: sent. "Duff" :) 488488;1391810880;mircea_popescu;a 488489;1391810880;jborkl;} 488490;1391810890;ThickAsThieves;no one rents by the hour 488491;1391810891;Duffer1;thanks MP :) 488492;1391810896;mircea_popescu;yee. 488493;1391810898;ThickAsThieves;well maybe botnets 488494;1391810907;mircea_popescu;mike_c srlsy, paste an addy 488495;1391810923;mike_c;1NUNo4rF9a5gehszwSu8W7uMGaJs4Ee2dX 488496;1391810941;mircea_popescu;pankkake 1336 there pls. 488497;1391810943;pankkake;lol 488498;1391810945;mike_c;and no, i did not vanity gen a "nun" address 488499;1391810946;jborkl;the version must have a slightly different submit, so stratum would have to be changed to submit correctly- if you could what they changed you will need to know 488500;1391810960;jborkl;ask 488501;1391810971;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves yeah you gotta ask! 488502;1391810977;ThickAsThieves;i dont even know how to download the block source 488503;1391810978;mircea_popescu;stratum pool = big deal. 488504;1391810983;ThickAsThieves;fuck this shit 488505;1391810987;ThickAsThieves;hehe 488506;1391811000;jborkl;quitting already? ?? 488507;1391811002;mircea_popescu;lmao this cryptocoin project has like a 12 yo founder and what is this! 488508;1391811028;pankkake;to be a true altcoin you have to not understand what you are doing 488509;1391811043;ThickAsThieves;it should just work outta the box 488510;1391811057;mircea_popescu;yeah like crypto-cereal decoding cockrings 488511;1391811060;mircea_popescu;or w/e. 488512;1391811111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00086687 = 2.9474 BTC [-] 488513;1391811111;pankkake;I hope http://coinminer.net:19982/static/ actually works 488514;1391811116;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdfp7olGMw1ru15g3o1_500.jpg << is this hitch-cock ? 488515;1391811129;ThickAsThieves;i'll just get some when it's listed somewhere, online wallets are the best wallets right? 488516;1391811146;pankkake;his nose is happy to see her 488517;1391811177;jborkl;running stratum against say terracoin is exactly the same as bitcoin - hell all you do is change the payout addy and port, something is slightly different 488518;1391811178;mircea_popescu;someone should vanitygen a 1am12andwhatisthis addy for you 488519;1391811569;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That would be easy to do in Failcoin, the MD4 mined one where private key is the last 4 characters of the address. 488520;1391811904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8551 @ 0.00087114 = 7.4491 BTC [+] 488521;1391811959;Duffer1;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-07/4th-financial-services-executive-found-dead-self-inflicted-nail-gun-wounds 488522;1391811961;ozbot;4th Financial Services Executive Found Dead; "From Self-Inflicted Nail-Gun Wounds" | Zero Hedge 488523;1391812002;mircea_popescu;that's a shitty way to die 488524;1391812009;mircea_popescu;can't these people even afford rope anymore ?! 488525;1391812012;BingoBoingo;What's with this nailgun suicide thing. It's like people setting themselves up to fail. 488526;1391812026;pankkake;nail gun?! ouch 488527;1391812087;mircea_popescu;course the only reporting venues are zero hedge and... max keiser. 488528;1391812092;mircea_popescu;wtf is this. 488529;1391812120;BingoBoingo;Maybe by financial services executive they mean Phone center pit boss? 488530;1391812148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00086666 = 8.0166 BTC [-] {2} 488531;1391812166;mircea_popescu;this seems somewhat of a "War on Xmas" narrative. 488532;1391812178;mircea_popescu;"The founder and CEO of American Title Services in Centennial was found dead in his home this week, the result of self-inflicted wounds from a nail gun, according to the Arapahoe County coroner." 488533;1391812200;mircea_popescu;people commit suicides, to the tune of 100 or so a day in the us. 488534;1391812214;ThickAsThieves;the golden gate bridge is riddled with it 488535;1391812217;ThickAsThieves;they have a suicide phone 488536;1391812218;mircea_popescu;if you comb it loose enough about 1 in 100 people could be said to work in "financial services" 488537;1391812220;BingoBoingo;That low? I'd imagine the number to be higher. 488538;1391812226;chipug;are they hoping blood loss will be that slow, they are found in time perhaps? 488539;1391812229;ThickAsThieves;and a watchman 488540;1391812273;BingoBoingo;chipug: Seems to be the only reason to use a nailgun in the US where more efficient tools are readily available. (i.e. Kurt Cobain, Ernest Hemmingway) 488541;1391812282;mircea_popescu;but i mean for crying out loud, "american title services" thing was a small... title services company. 488542;1391812283;ThickAsThieves;they just dont have real guns 488543;1391812284;mircea_popescu;what the fuck. 488544;1391812291;Duffer1;ya MP i can't tell if they're trying to find a patter in the sand here, or if there actually is a pattern 488545;1391812300;Duffer1;pattern 488546;1391812342;ThickAsThieves;maybe he made a buncha families lose their homes 488547;1391812346;mircea_popescu;"They said Talley died from seven or eight self-inflicted wounds from a nail gun fired into his torso and head." 488548;1391812350;mircea_popescu;for the love of christ. 488549;1391812358;Duffer1;o.o 488550;1391812366;mircea_popescu;who ever heard of the 8 shot suicide even !? 488551;1391812388;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: But in the US a 12 gauge shotgun and a copy of Grey's Anatomy so you can find the brainstem together costs even with the downturn, maybe 0.125 btc? 488552;1391812423;ThickAsThieves;maybe it was implusive 488553;1391812426;ThickAsThieves;i dunno 488554;1391812429;ThickAsThieves;i couldnt do it 488555;1391812562;ThickAsThieves;http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2014/02/07/alleged-silk-road-creator-ross-ulbricht-pleads-not-guilty-on-all-charges/ 488556;1391812563;ozbot;Alleged Silk Road Creator Ross Ulbricht Pleads Not Guilty On All Charges - Forbes 488557;1391812575;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9326 @ 0.00087134 = 8.1261 BTC [+] {2} 488558;1391812588;ThickAsThieves;In the arraignment, prosecutors said that they have between eight and ten terabytes of evidence that they plan to share with the defense 488559;1391812617;mircea_popescu;uh. this doesn't sound good for the prosecution at all. 488560;1391812647;Duffer1;yea hehe 488561;1391812662;mircea_popescu;anyway, good for him. 488562;1391812678;mircea_popescu;hopefully shrem gets the balls together to do the same. 488563;1391812719;mircea_popescu;generally speaking no forfeiture + pleading not guilty = worst possible scenario for the da. 488564;1391812735;mircea_popescu;pretty much the only way to lose your job. 488565;1391812880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00086453 = 3.4581 BTC [-] {2} 488566;1391812884;Duffer1;i've read that they have emails of him colluding to wash coins 488567;1391812946;ThickAsThieves;someone should do an article where the goal is to find the price of every suspected shill 488568;1391813001;ThickAsThieves;like how much does it cost to get Bitcon Mag to write favorably 488569;1391813025;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: if you account for sock puppets and robo spam bots, the length of that article would probably approach Aleph subscript zero (infinite, but countably so) 488570;1391813085;ThickAsThieves;well the focus would be one "community" outlets 488571;1391813090;ThickAsThieves;Max Keiser 488572;1391813094;ThickAsThieves;Bitcon Mag 488573;1391813102;ThickAsThieves;CoinDesk 488574;1391813107;ThickAsThieves;TheVerge maybe 488575;1391813120;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves they're opaque. 488576;1391813137;mircea_popescu;pretty much any shill works for a group. the actual cost-per-shillpiece is not a market value. 488577;1391813138;BingoBoingo;And then Bitcointalk/litecointalk/Techcrunch forums/Twitter swell the ranks in a way that increases faster than they can be wrote up 488578;1391813175;mircea_popescu;similar to household economy. what's the per-blowjob cost of a wife ? well, it depends, if you're the husband probably like a piece of cake 488579;1391813176;ThickAsThieves;i guess often it's more of a barter 488580;1391813182;mircea_popescu;if you're a bum in the street prolly like a rolls. 488581;1391813217;ThickAsThieves;buy 12mos of ads instead of 6 and we'll throw in an article 488582;1391813232;ThickAsThieves;thats how it works in print at least 488583;1391813300;mircea_popescu;something like that. 488584;1391813453;mircea_popescu;anyway, specifically about bitcoin magazine, i'm curious how long before the contentious manner in which it was acquired actually spills out in court. 488585;1391813478;mircea_popescu;at the rate it's going probably bitcoin will probably never be worth enough for its btc value to command enough fiat interest, but who knows 488586;1391813534;the20year;I hope the weekend treats our IPO well , i found a pretty neat purchase 488587;1391813551;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 600 @ 0.0055 = 3.3 BTC 488588;1391813559;ThickAsThieves;after 24-36 hours it's pretty much over the20year 488589;1391813572;the20year;We'll see i guess 488590;1391813595;the20year;There's a foreclosure auction and someone lives in it, whomever buys it has to go through the hassle of evicting the former owners, but the price is fantastic 488591;1391813599;the20year;and the house is great 488592;1391813682;pankkake;can you still evict people in the US? 488593;1391813698;pankkake;good luck evicting people from your own house in France :/ 488594;1391813746;BingoBoingo;Well, eviction is easy if landvalue is greater than the structure value... 488595;1391813856;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] {2} 488596;1391813902;Namworld;From your own house? 488597;1391813908;Namworld;wtf? 488598;1391813931;the20year;Yeah , i can get an eviction done in 3 weeks 488599;1391813950;the20year;eviction laws are done by state and then sometimes by municipality in the US , Ohio is very ,very flexible 488600;1391813966;the20year;In CA or NY , you're looking at 3 months for an eviction , in Ohio depending on the county it can be 2 weeks to a month 488601;1391813977;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430858.0 lol 488602;1391813979;ozbot;[ANN] [GOATCoin] Greatest Of All Time | SHA-256 | Rewards active users | Rare 488603;1391814039;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.07 = 0.42 BTC [+] 488604;1391814203;mircea_popescu;Namworld france is a joke. 488605;1391814207;mircea_popescu;"people have rights" etc. 488606;1391814255;pankkake;burglars and squatters have rights basically 488607;1391814265;the20year;right to theft :) 488608;1391814286;mircea_popescu;i don't think there's actually a worse example of a country than france. 488609;1391814299;mircea_popescu;pretty much everything about how it's run is offensive. 488610;1391814326;mircea_popescu;can't fire people. can't evict people. the tax burden is like... 80% ? 488611;1391814366;mircea_popescu;even with all the monkey they do, african countries like say the car are more palatable. 488612;1391814405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00086644 = 2.1661 BTC [+] 488613;1391814477;mircea_popescu;dude check out all the bitcoin mfas : virtualmining.com/ cryptologs.com/ bitcoinviews.com/ 488614;1391814588;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24372 @ 0.00086433 = 21.0655 BTC [-] {3} 488615;1391814590;mircea_popescu;there's a ton of them 488616;1391814694;theo__;hey 488617;1391814724;mircea_popescu;hello. 488618;1391814731;theo__;the20year Is your IPO REAL? 488619;1391814757;pankkake;no he invests in fake estate only, on second life 488620;1391814766;theo__;As in Rentalstarter? 488621;1391814775;theo__;thanks trolololol. 488622;1391814799;mircea_popescu;unexpected ambiguity 488623;1391814837;theo__;apologies i meant to ask is your IPO RENT not REAL >.< been a long night 488624;1391814845;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdfx8qOa9E1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg << this is an alt-babe. 488625;1391814869;theo__;to bad you can't mine them. 488626;1391814870;pankkake;haha, yeah it's RENT 488627;1391814885;theo__;thanks for clarifcation pankkake :)/ 488628;1391814897;Duffer1;rode hard and put away wet comes to mind 488629;1391814899;Duffer1;thanks mp :( 488630;1391814908;mircea_popescu;incidentally, anyone have handy a link to the golden painted whore at the whatever conference ? 488631;1391814925;mircea_popescu;someone pasted it here a few days ago and now i need it to prove a point 488632;1391814944;pankkake;I thought you trilemaed her already… weird 488633;1391814954;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 343 @ 0.00303927 = 1.0425 BTC [-] {10} 488634;1391814955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.067 = 0.201 BTC [-] 488635;1391814961;mircea_popescu;nope ;/ 488636;1391814964;mircea_popescu;or have i ? 488637;1391814996;the20year;theo__: yes 488638;1391815009;the20year;RentalStarter/RENT is mine 488639;1391815029;the20year;I'm second guessing putting a real contact number on the listing, already had a guy call me asking for help on how to deposit money into his HL account 488640;1391815054;mircea_popescu;ty 488641;1391815090;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: twist: that alt-babe is actually pankkake 488642;1391815100;pankkake;I wish I was a girl! 488643;1391815103;mircea_popescu;well her manboos certainly are. 488644;1391815105;Duffer1;lol 20 :( 488645;1391815108;theo__;@the20year what do you expect your anual yield to be over this 2014 period if i may ask. Already invested into 500 shares looking to see what your expectations are to think about a longer term strategy. I have seen how well your company has done from june 2013. Just wondering on your on thoughts for this year 488646;1391815108;nubbins`;I NO RITE?!?! 488647;1391815134;jborkl;i did 4 alt blocks, so i retire 488648;1391815159;nubbins`;she looks so high 488649;1391815167;nubbins`;cant stop staring at face 488650;1391815168;nubbins`;:( 488651;1391815225;asciilifeform;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2553964/CEO-commits-suicide-nail-gun-company-investigation.html 488652;1391815226;ozbot;CEO commits suicide with a nail gun while his company under investigation | Mail Online 488653;1391815238;mircea_popescu;weren't we talking about this an hour ago ?! 488654;1391815240;the20year;theo__: Range of 13.44%-65% or so 488655;1391815248;nubbins`;yes, you were 488656;1391815248;asciilifeform;damn 488657;1391815255;the20year;Higher end will depend on capital utilization and whether we flip a property 488658;1391815259;asciilifeform;'shot first, asked questions later' 488659;1391815263;nubbins`;hah 488660;1391815272;the20year;I found one, if we can bid on it that should have a $30k purchase price, sell price of $90k which would be pretty good towards investors 488661;1391815274;theo__;the20year: is that in USD Yield or are you expecting that to be in BTC Yield 488662;1391815289;the20year;USD yield, BTC yield will be unpredictable depending on whether BTC goes to the moon or collapses 488663;1391815308;nubbins`;if he was a pro, he would have used two nailguns, one on each temple 488664;1391815325;nubbins`;less chance of becoming cabbage 488665;1391815331;mircea_popescu;maybe he could have arranged a 10x10 battery of price guns 488666;1391815336;nubbins`;heh. 488667;1391815344;the20year;a car with a hose is always much more effective 488668;1391815346;nubbins`;cover airways with SALE stickers 488669;1391815379;mircea_popescu;death by ten thousand glues. 488670;1391815397;theo__;the20year: good thanks you have already made me put more faith in you just with that statement. Furthering on will you be hedging anything into BTC or all directly into USD as your company for you unfortunatetly missed the $120 -> 1000 price hike and could have already had a million dollar investment plan. 488671;1391815426;the20year;We've got quite a few BTC Hedging strategies, the msot up front one is the fact that we're only cashing out on a as-needed basis 488672;1391815457;the20year;We also had a $120>$65 price move when we started :D So unfortunately we're kind of used to it 488673;1391815477;theo__;the20year: as the only thing that is stopping me as a investor looking to diversify into your company is the key fact that I believe the US could be on a potential melt down, and would mean that if you hedged to much into USD I am exposing myself to to much risk 488674;1391815491;the20year;Personally i'd like to save a little back to invest into some type of btc/only investment 488675;1391815529;the20year;Well, it would be tied to real estate, and in the past under hyperinflationary periods, real estate has typically done well (Yugoslovia/serbia, zimbabawe, Weimar Germany) , so I feel a little bit safe against that 488676;1391815552;theo__;the20year: have you also taken into consideration the potential risk of if a housing collapse does happen again or a market collapse in america? as in your compaines Manifesto ( i know not the right word but i am tired) you did not mention this is a potential risk to investors 488677;1391815557;the20year;Additionally we're not overloaning properties, or going for absurdly low incomes, we could theoretically lower rents by 30% or more and still provide somewhat decent yields to invesors 488678;1391815570;mircea_popescu;dude forget it, real estate in central ohio isn't collapsing 488679;1391815573;mircea_popescu;it hasn't where./ 488680;1391815595;the20year;Well , during the 2001-2005 run up in prices, we increased maybe 30% 488681;1391815603;the20year;From the 2006-2011 collapse we decreased by around 25% 488682;1391815626;the20year;Some markets increased by say 500% in the US and then promptly crashed 450% 488683;1391815641;theo__;the20year: agreed but i am hesitent to over invest as you are talking about a leveraged lending scheme (which works well in good financal times) Though in bad times over leveraging can leave you to open to the risks 488684;1391815651;theo__;thanks mp 488685;1391815657;the20year;That's why we're planning on low LTVs 488686;1391815672;the20year;Well, lower than many, we're only looking at around an average of 60% LTV 488687;1391815709;nubbins`;i mailed a package mid-january and it took 19 days to get to the other side of canada 488688;1391815712;nubbins`;:( 488689;1391815714;the20year;Ouch 488690;1391815716;mircea_popescu;your risks are that if btc reaches 10k in a year or two you're left with 1/10 of what you'd have had if you held on to the btc, and if the guy splits with the cash you're left with whatever people buying into asset-based btc corps are usually left with 488691;1391815738;the20year;Those are the two primary risks 488692;1391815740;mircea_popescu;the rest is hardly within a coupla degrees of magnitude of that 488693;1391815742;theo__;the20year: Alright that answers my next question. My last major question i have is with the 3 year rental - equity buy back how would that work in terms of a shareholder dividend? 488694;1391815748;the20year;Or the guy that runs with the exchange dashes off with your divs/equity 488695;1391815755;the20year;3 year rental? 488696;1391815766;the20year;In terms of the lease purchase option being executed? 488697;1391815769;theo__;Yes 488698;1391815778;theo__;Would you reinvest or divedened the profit? 488699;1391815783;theo__;or 50 /50 488700;1391815790;the20year;We'd hold a vote 488701;1391815798;theo__;Apologies again for my horrible spelling. 488702;1391815810;the20year;last time we had a vote to ask the direction of what shareholders wanted to do , it came back as 40/60 in terms of distribution (Re-investing 40%, distributing the rest) 488703;1391815821;Duffer1;heed MPs caution theo 488704;1391815836;the20year;Ideally, i'd like to see the original purchase price re-invested, so the property pool doesn't shrink 488705;1391815875;theo__;Duffer i have to many BTC to leave them sit as only BTC i need to diversify and RENT offers a realistic aproach to reinvestment with his companies share value only increasing even with the price of bitcoin 8x higher then his inittal IPO 488706;1391815895;Duffer1;i had 200 btc once, now i have 20 488707;1391815901;the20year;Yeah, we did quite well in the runup on prices, that was till bitfunder collapsed 488708;1391815917;theo__;i had 6000 once duffer... we all learn 488709;1391815922;mircea_popescu;do we ? 488710;1391815939;theo__;the20year: Bitfunder? 488711;1391815942;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/EyRjQRf 488712;1391815943;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 488713;1391815951;nubbins`;to protect and serve ...yourself at mcd's as fast as possible 488714;1391815951;the20year;Yeah 488715;1391815954;the20year;We were on BF from the june IPO through it shutting down 488716;1391815955;mircea_popescu;i had 500`000 altcoins once... 488717;1391815983;the20year;Price ranged from .011 (IPO price), to a high of .0365 or so 488718;1391815984;theo__;Ah i getchya now 488719;1391815991;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.126 BTC [-] 488720;1391816002;mircea_popescu;nubbins` http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md9u32IbIn1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg 488721;1391816003;mircea_popescu;even. 488722;1391816017;nubbins`;hm, you win this round 488723;1391816034;theo__;And you will have first dividend out on the 15th? Which if i look at it right will be averaging a ~3% yield because of the new IPO purchasing power not being included. This would be about right? 488724;1391816052;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12502 = 0.6251 BTC [-] {2} 488725;1391816056;the20year;.7btc spread out on whatever shares there are 488726;1391816113;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.080025 = 0.3201 BTC [-] {2} 488727;1391816127;theo__;no problems and that dividend will only be for share on havelock? 488728;1391816135;the20year;Yes 488729;1391816140;theo__;so anyone who has not moved there shares misses out. 488730;1391816151;the20year;Correct, it's my way of telling them to get it done :) 488731;1391816161;theo__;Haha I like it :) 488732;1391816174;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC 488733;1391816188;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/gallery/K8PDa 488734;1391816189;ozbot;How to pass time on the train - Imgur 488735;1391816208;theo__;Do you mind if i ask a bit more of a personal question. As in how old you are? Just so i can get a grasp of who i am investing into, Because as far as i can tell it seems you are the company or is there more people in the managment team? 488736;1391816214;the20year;There's only one sizable shareholder that hasn't imported yet 488737;1391816216;the20year;28 488738;1391816232;theo__;and 7 years experience on some major boards already not bad. 488739;1391816239;the20year;I'm the only real manager , if anything were to happen to me, ben from buyahash would step in to manage 488740;1391816248;the20year;You're speaking of the local realtor board? 488741;1391816257;Duffer1;Offering the Bank of Duffer1, send me your coins and next year i'll send them back to you 488742;1391816267;Duffer1;every single one of them 488743;1391816270;asciilifeform;when do we get the chainsaw-autodecapitated CEO? 488744;1391816273;theo__;Well i saw your credentials, and you said you had sat on 2 boards. 488745;1391816276;Duffer1;i won't even charge for this service 488746;1391816290;the20year;I think i've been on more than that, but i was president of the Pickaway board of realtors which was...fun 488747;1391816305;theo__;Ok 488748;1391816307;Duffer1;accidentally shot himself in the back a few times ceo? 488749;1391816310;the20year;under my careful management we liquidated the board :D 488750;1391816318;theo__;LOL 488751;1391816337;the20year;It was odd , i was the youngest, the last, and the longest overseeing president 488752;1391816343;asciilifeform;accidentally-filled-bathtub-with-HCL-instead-of-water CEO. 488753;1391816348;theo__;Can i ask a bit deeper as in are you currently still working outside of this company? 488754;1391816349;the20year;Median realtor age in my county is about 65 488755;1391816357;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51999996 = 1.04 BTC [+] 488756;1391816367;theo__;Youngest = understanding it the fastest in my books anyway 488757;1391816370;the20year;I have a few small time businesses I run 488758;1391816398;the20year;I do some precious metals investing, website development, and I hear my brother will pay me some day 488759;1391816408;theo__;so you'r not on any boards anymore that could restrict your commitments to the company if it is to turn well? 488760;1391816410;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "i can't believe it wasn't butter" 488761;1391816415;the20year;no 488762;1391816417;theo__;or other work commitments persay 488763;1391816417;the20year;I got rid of all those 2 years ago 488764;1391816425;mircea_popescu;persay ? 488765;1391816438;the20year;Nope, i sold off my website company that was taking most of my time in September 488766;1391816454;theo__;Perfect. 488767;1391816481;asciilifeform;8 shots -> somebody wanted to know where the coldwallet is. 488768;1391816485;nubbins`;"This week Russia praised the United States for its rich history of making gay athletes feel unsafe and unwelcome" 488769;1391816486;nubbins`;heh 488770;1391816494;theo__;Do you have an email or any other form of communication to talk more privately? I may think about becoming a largish scale investor in your company. I am liking the way you hold yourself and your answers. 488771;1391816506;mircea_popescu;ok i gotta put the markov chain on ignore, this is too much. 488772;1391816508;the20year;brandonschlichter@gmail.com and my cell phone # is 740-571-1606 488773;1391816514;the20year;all that information though is on the contact details at HL :) 488774;1391816533;theo__;I will use email, I am international. 488775;1391816549;the20year;my skype id is www.1337ventures.com 488776;1391816569;the20year;for some reason all the guys at havelock hate text commuication and always call 488777;1391816571;the20year;Not that i mind it, whomever I'm talking to at HL is quite bright 488778;1391816577;mircea_popescu;nubbins` according to the onion, 80% of us adults get their news from the onion. 488779;1391816625;theo__;So the new company who owns havelock you haven't had any problems with? as this was something i noted on the bitcointalk.org forum that people were complaing / being weary of 488780;1391816634;the20year;So far so good 488781;1391816642;the20year;There was one guy i talked to who was alright, lots of miscommunication 488782;1391816650;the20year;Then they sent me to some other guy who cleared up literally everything in a 30m phone call 488783;1391816651;Duffer1;the panama fund is shady as fuck 488784;1391816663;the20year;and out of all the people i've talked to, he seemed to know what he was doing 488785;1391816671;theo__;duffer1: can you explain why that is at all sorry? 488786;1391816703;Duffer1;the quality of the offerings since takeover is what i base that on 488787;1391816732;theo__;ok, and is each share = to 1 vote in the company? so at the end of the day with you retaining 60% stock you always have the winning vote? or will you have your's as a vote of absence and decided only in deadlock? 488788;1391816765;the20year;As it is right now, i have control and can do essentially what I want, but as I had stated in the past , i want to do like a board of directors type of thing 488789;1391816765;Duffer1;with the exceptions of rentalstarter and maybe neobee ofc 488790;1391816781;the20year;IE have the top 5 or 10 shareholders get a director position, where we then make the right choices 488791;1391816782;theo__;duffer1: anything further? i would agree that the mintspare company seems shit and also the bitcoin mining derivitive i stay the F away from. But to me seedcoin I was one of the best put companies in a while (well until i saw REAL) 488792;1391816784;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 90 @ 0.0055 = 0.495 BTC 488793;1391816804;the20year;Seedcoin looks great IMO 488794;1391816832;Duffer1;i haven't looked into seedcoin at all actually 488795;1391816839;theo__;agreed i own a few to many but lol got excited with there IPO and now own 3000 @ the IPO price >.> 488796;1391816853;the20year;I'd of enjoyed listing on mpex, but investors said no 488797;1391816865;asciilifeform;http://www.sacbee.com/2014/02/06/6136333/calif-leaders-outline-proposed.html 488798;1391816866;ozbot;California leaders push for smartphone kill switch - Wire Technology - The Sacramento Bee 488799;1391816888;theo__;the20year, i think stay away from mpex as well. Not user friendly unless high level computer user, and i personally believe its tied into a giant drug laundering scheme 488800;1391816901;Duffer1;mainly it was peta/cfig/mintspare that really tells me they're not interested in investors, they just want to fleece customers 488801;1391816908;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, probably the only truth on the website 488802;1391816934;theo__;the20year: how much will it be to make it onto the board of directors because that is something that has now caught my attention 488803;1391816952;the20year;Mpex is sort of a bitter/sweet thing , high potential for large investment, but high capital to list, and most of my investors stated to me that they wouldn't migrate 488804;1391816964;the20year;What I'd like to do is take from either the top 5 or top 10 shareholders 488805;1391816967;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.51999996 = 4.68 BTC [+] 488806;1391816971;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform believe it or not, the most offensive part in there is the "leaders" 488807;1391816976;the20year;Or maybe a 5 top shareholders + 5 shareholders as voted by the body 488808;1391816985;mircea_popescu;what the fuck leaders, that's not what you call a herd of pencilnecks. 488809;1391817005;the20year;It's california 488810;1391817062;theo__;Perfect, the only thing i could see with being the problem is, do the top 5 share holders want a say in the company as in being a director as i think a lot of the investors (especially early IPO) would of just been using it to invest there BTC into real world without the proper understandings to be able to help run something such as this 488811;1391817065;mircea_popescu;"In San Francisco alone, about 60 percent of all robberies involve the theft of a mobile device, Police Chief Greg Suhr said. In nearby Oakland, such thefts amount to about 75 percent of robberies, Mayor Jean Quan added." 488812;1391817070;mircea_popescu;wait. in OAKLAND ?! 488813;1391817078;the20year;And that's my concern 488814;1391817085;mircea_popescu;is this a different oakland ? 488815;1391817089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7371 @ 0.00086512 = 6.3768 BTC [+] 488816;1391817113;the20year;Out of the guys we have, there's 3 I really like that do understand business, one is absolutely fantastic, most others don't have much of a interest, so the problem/issue becomes how do I get to cherry pick those that help control the company? 488817;1391817123;theo__;Agreed 488818;1391817164;theo__;I suppose those that communicate with yourself and others inside the company and those who are eager to be involved in more then just "LETS THROW MONEY AT IT!!!!!!" 488819;1391817182;the20year;Yeah 488820;1391817189;the20year;Now, we do have the IRC channel at #rentalstarter which helps alot 488821;1391817211;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00086475 = 12.1497 BTC [-] {2} 488822;1391817212;theo__;FYI i have a degree in business majoring in finance and minor in financial markets. 488823;1391817235;theo__;ok 488824;1391817247;theo__;I may slide over to the channel soon and see how its rocking :) 488825;1391817261;the20year;that's where i post up the daily details on what's going on 488826;1391817271;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It looks like nike style "You only need intercept the general area" missile defense might make a comeback http://thediplomat.com/2014/02/will-hypersonic-capabilities-render-missile-defense-obsolete/ 488827;1391817339;the20year;Laser based systems can put the hurt on hypersonics 488828;1391817361;theo__;Thank's for your time the20year il slide over there, and keep an eye on this. Btw congratulations so far on selling ~5500 shares so far. 488829;1391817397;the20year;We have a minimum funding goal of $50k, hopefully we can get there soon so we can get it released and another property 488830;1391817432;Namworld;There's already efficient missile defense system for small ones that are cheap enough. Soon enough yeah, laser. 488831;1391817444;the20year;not for hypersonics 488832;1391817479;the20year;Russia has a few systems deployed that are retargetable RVs that are very effective against most missile defense systems, but our systems aren't going after Russia's , they're more for iran/NK 488833;1391817480;BingoBoingo;Namworld: the20year: The answer existed in the 50's -> nuclear tipped air defense missiles 488834;1391817496;the20year;Sure 488835;1391817516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00086422 = 14.0868 BTC [-] 488836;1391817527;Namworld;What's the problem if the missile is hypersonic? Drop the radar, use satellites/visual. 488837;1391817552;the20year;Nearly impossible to intercept with another missile, try hitting a moving target that's incoming at mach 15 to mach 20 488838;1391817558;Namworld;An alert, a short human check on the object to confirm, shootdown. 488839;1391817563;the20year;Most interceptors are traveling upwards of mach 5, so that's mach 20-25 488840;1391817579;BingoBoingo;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_Hercules#cite_ref-51 488841;1391817580;ozbot;MIM-14 Nike Hercules - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 488842;1391817595;the20year;The genie also kind of served the same purpose , or could be used that way at least 488843;1391817599;Namworld;I thought that's why they're aiming at laser defense systems. 488844;1391817608;the20year;COrrect 488845;1391817610;Namworld;Spray of bullets could also work. 488846;1391817611;KRS-One;;;lasers 488847;1391817611;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 488848;1391817620;the20year;That would do hypersonics, but the distance to intercept is only 200-300mi 488849;1391817623;the20year;and won't work in inclement weather 488850;1391817635;mircea_popescu;tracking missiles from a satellite isn't quite as trivial as all that. 488851;1391817643;the20year;but magic 488852;1391817657;Namworld;Not trivial, but probably doable. 488853;1391817663;the20year;We already use satellites to track potential ICBM launches, but tracking RVs is quite hard 488854;1391817666;BingoBoingo;I'm telling you, top the interceptor missile with a 30 kt warhead and your margin of error is covered 488855;1391817669;mircea_popescu;this is what people usually say about driving with their feet. 488856;1391817675;the20year;Especially since a modern ICBM is gonna launch 10, 20, 30 decoy warheads 488857;1391817688;asciilifeform;last i heard, moscow is still covered by '50s-style mini-nuke launchers. 488858;1391817693;the20year;SS21 can have 20 warheads, 17 are dummies, 3 are real 488859;1391817701;the20year;*20 warheads per missile 488860;1391817713;the20year;At 50 missiles launched, thats 1,000 warheads coming down on your country 488861;1391817722;asciilifeform;basic problem is, the answer to a 'defensive' missile is always cheaper than itself 488862;1391817725;asciilifeform;(decoys) 488863;1391817737;Namworld;Bullet sprays 488864;1391817740;mircea_popescu;"Strategic missile defense might therefore very well constitute the worst investment-return ratio of any major military system in U.S. history" 488865;1391817742;mircea_popescu;such bs this. 488866;1391817767;the20year;What's the economic impact of a 1mt warhead detonating 10000ft in the air over manhattan? 488867;1391817803;Namworld;1 million bullet is cheap. Rain it. It's efficient at destroying incoming explosives. 488868;1391817811;asciilifeform;the20year: it'll be ground-burst. because fedex, rather than ballistic, delivery vehicle. 488869;1391817815;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: At the current rate it looks like the F-35 takes the cake. Does nothing well as an airplane, because the Marine corps insists they need a fighter jet that works like a helicopter 488870;1391817824;the20year;F35 is likely the worst 488871;1391817829;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 488872;1391817836;mircea_popescu;yeah, that. i remember that. 488873;1391817837;the20year;Especially when the F22 can do the same crap it does, with 10 year older technology for a unit cost that's 30% lower 488874;1391817891;mircea_popescu;at least they're not asking for an airplane that works like a submarine 488875;1391817893;mircea_popescu;(yet) 488876;1391817895;the20year;OR we could have brought the F23 into production, and done the same thing 488877;1391817899;asciilifeform;or boat. great lakes, as suggested by V. N. Chelomey. 488878;1391817919;the20year;Military procurement is by far the most corrupt system in the government 488879;1391817930;the20year;I talk to so many contractors that go into vivid detail of the corruption 488880;1391817946;BingoBoingo;the20year: The problem with the F-22 as a universal fighter jet is it is too big for an aircraft carrier. (Apparently noone considered making the smaller version) 488881;1391817949;mircea_popescu;anyway : who was ranting about how china isn't a threat ? 488882;1391817953;mircea_popescu;china is a threat. 488883;1391817957;KRS-One;^ 488884;1391817965;mircea_popescu;(cause obviously, the hypersonic missiles in discussion are chinese tech) 488885;1391817966;BingoBoingo;Dimsler Maybe? 488886;1391817968;asciilifeform;btw people fundamentally misunderstand the chinese rocket in the link. 488887;1391817975;asciilifeform;the whole point is to fly below radar 488888;1391817983;asciilifeform;you know it was there when the payload pops. 488889;1391817987;Dimsler;lol 488890;1391817989;Dimsler;who call my name 488891;1391817993;the20year;There supposedly is a YF23 version that was carrier capable, at a unit cost still well under the F35 488892;1391817996;Namworld;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgpQBZF2sZQ 488893;1391817997;ozbot;Phalanx (CIWS) Block 1B LPWS Testing and Firing - YouTube 488894;1391818003;Dimsler;mig 29 for life 488895;1391818017;BingoBoingo;Mig 25 is best mig 488896;1391818018;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo actually it was some random journofuckwit. http://trilema.com/2014/most-wrong-and-absolutely-wrongest/ 488897;1391818024;BingoBoingo;AH 488898;1391818035;the20year;mig 3 488899;1391818060;Namworld;With visual instead of radar. Bullet spray. Very efficient considering the cost of bullets. Most expensive is probably the tracking systems. 488900;1391818078;the20year;and on a boat that is moving on waves....a bit more difficult 488901;1391818091;mircea_popescu;Namworld i don't think you fully grok the mechanics involkved. 488902;1391818092;the20year;Remember during the faulklands, the UK ships had those and were able to intercept a total of 0 missiles 488903;1391818100;mircea_popescu;the missile is going about 10x as fast as your bullets. 488904;1391818109;the20year;eh , they're about the same 488905;1391818114;BingoBoingo;And bullets can only go so far up 488906;1391818124;the20year;they have a range of about 2mi 488907;1391818127;mircea_popescu;basically a steel mesh would be better than a bullet in this configuration. 488908;1391818135;the20year;They have those 488909;1391818142;mircea_popescu;especially if the wind makes it vibrate. 488910;1391818144;the20year;Mesh type missiles, that explode a large metal mesh 488911;1391818160;Namworld;It doesn't matter if you can shoot a volley where the incoming target will be. 488912;1391818162;asciilifeform;just looked out the window. no steel mesh dome over wash., d.c. yet. 488913;1391818178;mircea_popescu;but... you don't know where the thing will be. 488914;1391818180;asciilifeform;must be behind schedule. 488915;1391818209;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they keep knocking it, but ultra tensile meshes are better than all the crap they've built so far 488916;1391818213;Namworld;Why wouldn't you if you can visually track the incoming projectile? 488917;1391818219;mircea_popescu;you can't see that fast. 488918;1391818254;Namworld;What do you mean by that? 488919;1391818256;asciilifeform;on top of it all, the earth... is round. 488920;1391818257;mircea_popescu;the 20 frames of a second cover a distance of about 3 miles say. 488921;1391818279;KRS-One;hypersonic is faster than radar too 488922;1391818292;mircea_popescu;depends on wavelength, but it IS probl;ematic for radar too yes 488923;1391818295;KRS-One;depending on angle i guess 488924;1391818315;asciilifeform;no one even tangentially involved with u.s. mil. work has any real doubt as to the actual purpose of 'missile defense' crap. 488925;1391818328;mircea_popescu;i didn't think we did either. 488926;1391818333;asciilifeform;just in case. 488927;1391818409;Namworld;Yes, even at 3 miles per second. Is that such a problem with almost instant reaction? Enough to reach incoming target before it's close enough. It might be a bit too close for comfort I guess. 488928;1391818422;mircea_popescu;it's a problem in that you can't...actually...see it. 488929;1391818430;mircea_popescu;most people who get punched out claim they never saw the fist. 488930;1391818430;BingoBoingo;I was acquainted with someone who worked on an unclassifed project about as useful as missile defense. Essentialy the device was a hair drier large enough to accomodate a 747, because anthrax 488931;1391818436;mircea_popescu;the fist isn't coming from 3 miles away. 488932;1391818454;asciilifeform;let's do gedankenexperiment. 488933;1391818462;Namworld;I never said a human would need to react to it. 488934;1391818468;asciilifeform;imagine you possess a death ray that magically zaps a rocket, from any distance. 488935;1391818476;asciilifeform;death ray must be physically aimed. 488936;1391818491;asciilifeform;so now you need a certain number of them, to cover however-many steradians sector of fire. 488937;1391818501;asciilifeform;a death ray can zap one rocket at a time. 488938;1391818515;theo__;Or better yet a satellite system that has lasers built in to act as a defense over the earth creating a overlaying network of defense? 488939;1391818522;asciilifeform;all enemy needs to do is fire enough rockets simultaneously... 488940;1391818533;mircea_popescu;Namworld the human eye is much better than tech ersatzes. 488941;1391818551;asciilifeform;keep them coming until the death rays cannot keep up 488942;1391818568;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the salmon strategy, by its scientific name. 488943;1391818569;asciilifeform;rocket is cheaper than any conceivable 'death ray' or other countermeasure. 488944;1391818573;asciilifeform;correct. 488945;1391818579;Namworld;The human eye can't see far and human reaction is far slower than tech ersatzes... 488946;1391818592;BingoBoingo;Well, nuclear weapons require less unobtanium than death rays 488947;1391818595;mircea_popescu;Namworld so you think, but once you factor in the various factors it's actually no longer the case. 488948;1391818616;KRS-One;rocket isnt cheaper than sharks with laser rays 488949;1391818636;mircea_popescu;KRS-One seeing how more people own a dozen rockets than a dozen laser sharks... 488950;1391818643;Namworld;Well we have defense system that are far more accurate and quicker to react than humans already... 488951;1391818647;asciilifeform;russians (and, at one point, americans) were willing to pop nukes over their own city at one point 488952;1391818648;mod6;ATC: 1G34X8K9LYsZMn4dQ4e7HFe5V127zV6Ln6 488953;1391818652;asciilifeform;but that was mainly to delay the inevitable 488954;1391818661;asciilifeform;and survive long enough to get a return-shot in. 488955;1391818662;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: The shark is too valuable on the plate and in the soup bowl to give it a laser 488956;1391818664;KRS-One;sharks dont need fuel 488957;1391818666;asciilifeform;rather than defense in the usual sense of the word. 488958;1391818684;mod6;wow, diff is up to: "difficulty" : 62719.43923596, 488959;1391818701;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the best part of all this, of course, is that point defense is becoming an exercise in stupidity anyway 488960;1391818708;mircea_popescu;who needs fixed points and for what the fuck. 488961;1391818710;KRS-One;ok fine i just happen to have a dream of owning my own shark tank with laser rays for my enemies ok? 488962;1391818726;mircea_popescu;what "cities" 488963;1391818736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00086422 = 10.5867 BTC [-] 488964;1391818760;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: If you have farm raised sharks with certifiably low mercury levels, I am pretty sure there are worth much more as food than guards 488965;1391818766;chipug;if it's not specified the state of the shark, you can get plastic ones for $12.99 488966;1391818775;mircea_popescu;a practical mind. 488967;1391818776;asciilifeform;'no city is defended whose walls can admit an ass loaded with gold.' 488968;1391818780;chipug;http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/f2eb/ 488969;1391818782;ozbot;ThinkGeek :: Shark With Frickin' Laser Pointer 488970;1391818792;asciilifeform;(or a fedex truck...) 488971;1391818980;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00308199 = 0.1079 BTC [+] {2} 488972;1391819045;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcvn7kPpmk1r8ra1ho1_400.jpg 488973;1391819055;mircea_popescu;girl that's never been in a pool hall before... props her nose on the cue. 488974;1391819102;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [-] 488975;1391819529;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 550 @ 0.0008 = 0.44 BTC [+] 488976;1391819895;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC 488977;1391820139;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 49 @ 0.00510164 = 0.25 BTC [+] {4} 488978;1391820256;KRS-One;Love how everyone looks like its perfectly normal to have a barenaked lady standing there in the pool hall. 488979;1391820306;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: What's abnormal about it? Ever been to a pool hall? 488980;1391820318;KRS-One;BingoBoingo: of course I have foo 488981;1391820331;KRS-One;Turn down the troll a bit. 488982;1391820398;KRS-One;BingoBoingo: The thing is you can go to a disco but are you really safe? Any number of those fancy lights and beams could be a death ray. 488983;1391820437;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: I've never considered that 488984;1391820444;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [+] 488985;1391820449;KRS-One;Kinda makes you think, doesn't it? 488986;1391820484;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: Might be an interesting episode of Law and Order. Catching the criminal who switches dance lasers with death lasers. 488987;1391820517;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo her looking good is the abnormal part. 488988;1391820519;KRS-One;i know, right? 488989;1391820528;BingoBoingo;Yes it is. 488990;1391820554;BingoBoingo;Usually she'd be 20 years older and... the things that go with that 488991;1391820566;KRS-One;My friend josh bought a laser you can actually see in the air..fucker hurts. 488992;1391820601;KRS-One;its blue 488993;1391820622;mircea_popescu;high power lasers are usually blue 488994;1391820635;KRS-One;he said there are way more powerful onees. 488995;1391820654;mircea_popescu;ya but none are red. 488996;1391820671;KRS-One;you can cause some major mischief with one..only limited by your imagination really. 488997;1391820866;KRS-One;,bait 488998;1391820867;KRS-One;http://i.imgur.com/WKi8XWS.jpg 488999;1391820932;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1490 @ 0.00013418 = 0.1999 BTC [+] 489000;1391821006;Duffer1;almost clicked 489001;1391821008;BingoBoingo;.bait 489002;1391821011;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/f7dce41af0d5d67220df3ba49b7436f2/tumblr_my91exllou1rlftbao1_1280.jpg 489003;1391821092;pankkake;.bait 489004;1391821094;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/e36721decc3fc6dc410e22210ce708eb/tumblr_mxrjuivsBp1soukswo1_1280.jpg 489005;1391821144;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bugpowder https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=449354.msg5006812#msg5006812 << all the good work you're doing. want some atc ? 489006;1391821144;gribble;The operation succeeded. 489007;1391821165;Bugpowder;I aim to serve 489008;1391821169;mircea_popescu;o hello 489009;1391821170;Bugpowder;I take DOGE 489010;1391821176;mircea_popescu;somehow i thought you weren't here lol 489011;1391821179;mircea_popescu;hahaha i has no doges ;/ 489012;1391821195;mircea_popescu;but i tell you! it's great to have a token worthless internet funbux currency to throw around 489013;1391821201;mircea_popescu;you know, the way bitcoin USED TO BE 489014;1391821237;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.126 BTC [+] 489015;1391821244;Bugpowder;I bought 20M doge at 35 and sold at 44. 489016;1391821246;mod6;bid: .15 BTC for 100000 ATC 489017;1391821257;mircea_popescu;that satoshis ? 489018;1391821261;Bugpowder;yah 489019;1391821265;mircea_popescu;don't be a fool, atc is actually like 100-150 489020;1391821282;Bugpowder;atc is a mythical alt currency inside joke? 489021;1391821285;mircea_popescu;mhm. 489022;1391821305;Bugpowder;sigh 489023;1391821306;mod6;oh? thought 1.0 ATC ~ 0.00000150 BTC 489024;1391821319;mircea_popescu;mod6 that'd be ~150 satoshi neh ? 489025;1391821336;mircea_popescu;a, i was talking to him re the 35 44 489026;1391821339;Bugpowder;I hear ATC is now pegged to the DOGEer. 489027;1391821339;mod6;yeah, so figure for 100k ATC... be about .15 btc total? 489028;1391821344;mod6;oh ok. 489029;1391821345;mod6;srry. 489030;1391821352;BingoBoingo;I'd like to find someone with 30k alt to sell me at 150 satoshi 489031;1391821388;mircea_popescu;i think in a day or two alt blockchain will have done more hashng than all of doge in its entire history. 489032;1391821391;mircea_popescu;which... myeah. 489033;1391821391;Dimsler;i didn't know this was a trading floor for garbage? 489034;1391821393;Dimsler;oh wait 489035;1391821397;BingoBoingo;That would make my balance 31337 489036;1391821398;Dimsler;it is a trading floor for garbage 489037;1391821417;pankkake;not the same proof of work, does not compare 489038;1391821421;BingoBoingo;Dimsler: Garbage, unlike doges have a use though 489039;1391821447;mircea_popescu;pankkake not like i forced them use a dumb pow 489040;1391821465;mircea_popescu;a gallon is a gallon if you carry it in the truck or on the back. 489041;1391821480;pankkake;so more hashes is better 489042;1391821484;mircea_popescu;definitely. 489043;1391821488;pankkake;not the size of the hash 489044;1391821494;pankkake;so hashes are not boobs 489045;1391821496;pankkake;interesting 489046;1391821503;mircea_popescu;no hashes are phone numbers. 489047;1391821542;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51999996 BTC [-] 489048;1391821603;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00308199 = 0.1541 BTC [+] 489049;1391821759;ThickAsThieves;bugpowder it's not a joke it's an experiment in irony, tribes, and feedback loops 489050;1391821777;ThickAsThieves;i just realized i havent even started quoted seth goden yet 489051;1391821785;ThickAsThieves;quoting 489052;1391821799;ThickAsThieves;godin* 489053;1391821824;Bugpowder;Well, I think there is a real market opportunity for localaltcoins.com. 489054;1391821844;mircea_popescu;coelho is one thing, but godin... 489055;1391821857;ThickAsThieves;“Instead of wondering when your next vacation is, maybe you should set up a life you don't need to escape from.” 489056;1391821857;ThickAsThieves;― Seth Godin 489057;1391821858;mircea_popescu;dun be killing this thing. 489058;1391821867;ThickAsThieves;lol 489059;1391821871;mod6;;;view 489060;1391821872;gribble;#19517 Fri Feb 7 20:10:59 2014 mod6 BUY 100000.0 ATC @ 1.5e-06 BTC (Want to buy 100,000 ATC for a total of 0.15 BTC, must have WoT rating. PM me.) 489061;1391821886;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder perhaps, but maybe not in the us. 489062;1391821910;mircea_popescu;it'd certainly be a great party thing to do. 489063;1391821915;ThickAsThieves;“If you can’t state your position in eight words, you don’t have a position. ” 489064;1391821915;ThickAsThieves;― Seth Godin 489065;1391821924;ThickAsThieves;perfect 489066;1391821941;mircea_popescu;seth godin is an intolerable fartsniffing retard 489067;1391821947;mircea_popescu;don't even need 8. 489068;1391821953;ThickAsThieves;lol 489069;1391821956;mod6;haha 489070;1391821994;mircea_popescu;i always thought the farts southpark episode was about him, but they didn't want to name him figuring (corrctly) that he's obscure enough he'd gain from the exposure 489071;1391822101;Bugpowder;No you only trade your ATC for BTC locally. It's not money laundering, its ATC laundering. Very different. 489072;1391822119;ThickAsThieves;anyone that is trying to teach marketers something, is teaching them how to be a consumer 489073;1391822166;ThickAsThieves;I was thinking about banning russia from ATC 489074;1391822186;mod6;fight back 489075;1391822273;mod6;;;later tell nanotube i want to buy 500 btc from you at 0.25, as per your outstanding offer. << this comment from the OTC wiki lol 489076;1391822273;gribble;The operation succeeded. 489077;1391822278;mod6;oh shit. lol 489078;1391822281;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you could ban new jersey 489079;1391822298;mod6;whoops, should have removed that ';; 489080;1391822315;ThickAsThieves;or added it to that comment 489081;1391822355;mod6;sorry nano 489082;1391822376;ThickAsThieves;i went to new jersey. once. 489083;1391822397;ThickAsThieves;everyone i met was a special kind of fucked up 489084;1391822422;pankkake;Breaking news: Altcoin not banned in Russia 489085;1391822439;mod6;sweet, hook me up 489086;1391822469;ThickAsThieves;Altcoin can't be banned, it does the banning 489087;1391822485;ThickAsThieves;like today, it banned me 489088;1391822492;mod6;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDoaf5Vnh7s 489089;1391822544;ozbot;Hitler's Maxcoin Rant - YouTube 489090;1391822552;mod6;:) 489091;1391822579;ThickAsThieves;was there an epic maxcoin failure? 489092;1391822592;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: It's origin? 489093;1391822605;ThickAsThieves;well 489094;1391822607;mod6;*shrug* 489095;1391822750;ThickAsThieves;this hitler video, lol 489096;1391822823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00086405 = 7.9061 BTC [-] 489097;1391822912;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves yeah. 489098;1391822967;ThickAsThieves;http://www.seattlepi.com/entertainment/tv/tvguide/article/Report-Philip-Seymour-Hoffman-to-be-Digitally-5214202.php 489099;1391823458;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=452662.0;all 489100;1391823461;ozbot;MAXCOIN FAIL. Show Max Keiser your thoughts right here. 489101;1391823485;mircea_popescu;;;later see thickasthieves, you may be 12 and have no idea what you're doing, but at least you don't fail quite as bad as max keiser :D 489102;1391823486;gribble;Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "see" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin. 489103;1391823495;mircea_popescu;;;later tell thickasthieves see, you may be 12 and have no idea what you're doing, but at least you don't fail quite as bad as max keiser :D 489104;1391823495;gribble;The operation succeeded. 489105;1391824043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18279 @ 0.00086655 = 15.8397 BTC [+] {2} 489106;1391824348;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.127 BTC [+] 489107;1391824409;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+] 489108;1391824578;theo__;mmmmm quiet time while bitcoin jumps around 489109;1391824653;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.19376446 = 0.7751 BTC [+] 489110;1391824907;b0n1;hey guys! when is the btc conference of this channel? 489111;1391824922;b0n1;aka romania 489112;1391824960;jurov; for some reason all the guys at havelock hate text commuication and always call << I can confirm 489113;1391824976;jurov; There was one guy i talked to who was alright, lots of miscommunication << This too. 489114;1391825006;jurov;;;google trilema conference second edition 489115;1391825007;gribble;The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; Mai 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Emmanuel Farhi - IMF: 489116;1391825017;jurov;^ b0n1 the first one 489117;1391825076;theo__;jurov: in your experience with this being the case would you invest into first there IPO's and 2ndly would you trust them with your BTC 489118;1391825101;the20year2;And yet havelock is much more organized then BF was 489119;1391825108;the20year2;they have alot of good stuff going for them 489120;1391825116;jurov;i don't have enough btc to divest in such way, after all 489121;1391825140;theo__;What happened to BF? did they just up and run? or get hacked or something? 489122;1391825140;jurov;so i hevn't not look closer into rentalstarter 489123;1391825164;jurov;theo__: they "talked to lawyer" 489124;1391825196;theo__;jurov: i meant in regards to havelock not Rentalstarter 489125;1391825218;theo__;So they closed because they didn't think they had the legal grounds to stand on? 489126;1391825244;jurov;maybe. ukyo isn't disclosing anything concrete 489127;1391825268;Duffer1;i believe btc-tc and bitfunder were likely shutdown by some manner of US federal gov intervention 489128;1391825273;Duffer1;neither will talk about it 489129;1391825296;jurov;and what' worse, ukyo hasn't paid out 92% of btc, again due to undisclosed problems 489130;1391825318;Duffer1;likely a funds seizure 489131;1391825328;Duffer1;at best, fractional reserve loss at worst 489132;1391825345;b0n1;jurov what do you mean? 489133;1391825351;b0n1;the first one? 489134;1391825359;jurov;the first link 489135;1391825366;jurov;from google 489136;1391825373;Duffer1;http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/ b0n1 489137;1391825374;ozbot;The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 489138;1391825444;b0n1;I honestly want to meet you guys, but wtf so high price? 489139;1391825446;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1483 @ 0.00013418 = 0.199 BTC [+] 489140;1391825472;b0n1;I am one of the early adopters as you all are, but 10 btc for a meeting? 489141;1391825487;jurov;b0n1: afaik you can come as non-vip, you'll pay everything yourself 489142;1391825529;jurov;and it isn't 10btc, but $1000 anyway (converted by current rate) 489143;1391825568;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.0055 = 0.121 BTC 489144;1391825575;jurov;oh and since it's buried in comments, especially if you book intercontinental flights, 489145;1391825580;b0n1;I really dont know why the price... this just smells bad 489146;1391825586;randomcloud;Hey, is BingoBoingo here? 489147;1391825589;jurov;look into Budapest destination 489148;1391825596;jurov;instead of Timisoara 489149;1391825611;b0n1;give me a good reason for the price? 489150;1391825630;jurov;me? ask mp 489151;1391825653;b0n1;mircea_popescu` 489152;1391825654;b0n1;? 489153;1391825656;jurov;yes 489154;1391825659;b0n1;why such a high price? 489155;1391825680;Duffer1;price is $1k, like 1.2 btc not 10, includes shuttle service, rooms at 4star hotel w/ breakfast, free drinks everywhere 489156;1391825693;b0n1;what is this? 10 girls doing a lapdance for everybody taking part? 489157;1391825751;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 40 @ 0.00448164 = 0.1793 BTC [+] {4} 489158;1391825780;Duffer1;oh 1740$ since it's 2014 already >.< 489159;1391825818;chipug;you would end up paying more, breaking it all down and paying yourself 489160;1391825856;chipug;weren't they all clubbing in for the germany party too? 489161;1391825861;b0n1;I know that meeting people is important... and I also know that meeting important people is more important... but what the fuck should I think about a 10btc meeting? Honestly, I dont understand it... 489162;1391825884;Duffer1;b0n1 = jimmothy 489163;1391825884;jurov;just register as non-vip, the hotel rooms and meals are not very expensive 489164;1391825899;Duffer1;it's not 10btc 489165;1391825906;b0n1;how much? 489166;1391825921;jurov;i'm trying to exaplin it's in usd, too, but b0ni is already freaed out 489167;1391825927;Duffer1;1740$ usd 489168;1391826038;jurov;^ yes, paid in btc by current market rate 489169;1391826088;chipug;b0n1: it's not like that's the price of doing it yourself. that's the price of a nice package with it 489170;1391826101;mod6;b0n1: its 10 BTC to get on the VIP list. you should read the article again. 489171;1391826179;jurov;and there are hostels in timisoara. i was in one after missing my train, was nice, can't complain 489172;1391826189;b0n1;If I read the article there are 2 options: 489173;1391826191;b0n1;1. I dont go 489174;1391826196;b0n1;2. I go as VIP 489175;1391826208;jurov;3. register 489176;1391826212;jurov;4. show up 489177;1391826216;mod6;oh, maybe Im wrong actually. i read it like a year ago. 489178;1391826254;jurov;mod6 stfu 489179;1391826269;jurov;I paid only 5 because the rate went up 489180;1391826271;mod6;lol 489181;1391826304;jurov;you're causing unnecessary outrage :D 489182;1391826314;b0n1;I really cant believe davout paid 10 btc to go there... 489183;1391826335;jurov;who knew 489184;1391826355;theo__;so what? 2 years ago that was like $0.10 489185;1391826422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17421 @ 0.00086848 = 15.1298 BTC [+] 489186;1391826482;mircea_popescu; i believe btc-tc and bitfunder were likely shutdown by some manner of US federal gov intervention << people believed the same of glbse. 489187;1391826517;Duffer1;am i wrong? 489188;1391826520;mircea_popescu; I am one of the early adopters as you all are, but 10 btc for a meeting? << what have you done ? 489189;1391826549;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 yes, you are wrong. for instance when the govt closed down the sr, you knew this because... they said so. 489190;1391826606;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.127 BTC [+] 489191;1391826637;Duffer1;if not govt intervention why would btc-tc shutdown? 489192;1391826660;mircea_popescu;because every person involved was an imbecile ? 489193;1391826666;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 489194;1391826760;Duffer1;well sure, but that doesn't adequately explain why they'd shutdown at their most profitable 489195;1391826792;mircea_popescu;... 489196;1391826799;mircea_popescu;really ? 489197;1391826820;Duffer1;what am i missing? 489198;1391826879;mircea_popescu;i can't begin to guess. what do you mean it doesn't adequately explain ? idiocy is adequate explanation for ANY behaviour 489199;1391826886;mircea_popescu;that's pretty much its only redeeming quality. 489200;1391826942;Duffer1;that's a degree of idiocy i'm not willing to assign burnside lol 489201;1391826977;mircea_popescu;which is the entire thing that powers conspiracism. easier to believe glbse was shut down by aliens than the gaping psychologic chasm of an alternative 489202;1391826978;Duffer1;my lemonade stand is making more money than ever, i think i'll shut it down 489203;1391826993;mircea_popescu;how do you know how much money it was making in the first place ? 489204;1391827008;theo__;Whats with the Cbtc having such huge buy orders? https://www.havelockinvestments.com/order.php?symbol=CBTC most other shares don't have anywhere near that amount. Anyone provide some guidance at all? 489205;1391827011;Duffer1;fees on trade volume 489206;1391827022;mircea_popescu;eh get out of here. 489207;1391827093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37612 @ 0.00086356 = 32.4802 BTC [-] {6} 489208;1391827094;Duffer1;actm/labcoin trading was a huge increase in trade volume, i'm assuming that would translate into increase revenues, but there is the idiocy factor 489209;1391827121;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 labcoin was a scam, in which burnside participated, by faking volumes. 489210;1391827128;mircea_popescu;they didn't manage to actually make money on it. 489211;1391827132;mircea_popescu;which is why all teh butthurt. 489212;1391827163;Duffer1;i've heard that accusation, i haven't seen support for it 489213;1391827189;mircea_popescu;fascinating. 489214;1391827208;Duffer1;i wasn't around for the labcoin ipo 489215;1391827217;mircea_popescu;so closing down the "profitable" thing in the middle of its profit is unexplainable, and the govt did it ? 489216;1391827218;Duffer1;i don't know what happened there 489217;1391827249;chipug;mircea_popescu: how many you having at your conference? 489218;1391827255;b0n1;mircea_popescu do I have to tell you? 489219;1391827258;mircea_popescu;chipug not that many. 489220;1391827266;Duffer1;just a hypothesis that could explain both btc-tc and bitfunder closures 489221;1391827281;Duffer1;idiocy and coincidence are certainly options as well 489222;1391827290;mircea_popescu;b0n1 you don't have to anything. you've made a claim as to having been an old timer. if you want that taken seriously you'll have to offer some corroboration. 489223;1391827295;ThickAsThieves;i wanted to go, but personal life does not allow 489224;1391827301;chipug;a gathering as opposed to a party then lol exciting all the same 489225;1391827323;chipug;are they still doing the 1k party? or has that passed even 489226;1391827331;mircea_popescu;chipug teh list is more or less on the bottom of the post there. but yah, i dun believe in these conference things like they do. 489227;1391827382;chipug;a lot of people still like to nod 'n' hand shake in person mircea_popescu 489228;1391827415;mircea_popescu;indeed. 489229;1391827448;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 wait, bitfunder was closed by the government too ? 489230;1391827465;mircea_popescu;dude god forbid the government goes away, what will we do without it ;/ 489231;1391827472;Duffer1;lol i never said that, i said i believe it likely 489232;1391827481;Duffer1;or more likely than idiocy + coincidence 489233;1391827483;mircea_popescu;oh motherfucker, government just elbowed my glass of milk over 489234;1391827487;mircea_popescu;now there's milk all over the floor 489235;1391827490;mircea_popescu;fucking government. 489236;1391827492;ThickAsThieves;i was gonna get high but then i had to close down because of the government 489237;1391827516;b0n1;mircea_popescu I dont want to talk about it in public... I think you should at least have a small piece of understanding of this being part of the early community 489238;1391827556;mircea_popescu;i have exactly no understanding for it, being not only part of the early community but quite open about things. 489239;1391827579;b0n1;why? 489240;1391827612;mircea_popescu;because it's ridiculous ? 489241;1391827635;b0n1;why? 489242;1391827643;ThickAsThieves;maybe start with it isnt 489243;1391827651;ThickAsThieves;why* 489244;1391827654;mircea_popescu;cause you can't be someone without being someone wth. 489245;1391827667;mircea_popescu;how to get laid without getting wet ? what is this! are we 12 ? 489246;1391827678;b0n1;... 489247;1391827678;ThickAsThieves;on occassion 489248;1391827726;mircea_popescu;anyway, if you don't even want to talk publicly about what you've done what on earth could possibly posses you to show up to some event. 489249;1391827736;mircea_popescu;makes about as much sense as the goverment on a good day. 489250;1391827767;ThickAsThieves;;;ticker 489251;1391827768;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 668.87391, Best ask: 668.99999, Bid-ask spread: 0.12608, Last trade: 668.87391, 24 hour volume: 45818.91827598, 24 hour low: 651.70976, 24 hour high: 794.24938, 24 hour vwap: 716.45456 489252;1391827790;ThickAsThieves;btc is dead, long live atc 489253;1391827805;mircea_popescu;omg look at that, doge killed btc 489254;1391827815;mircea_popescu;no sorry, it was mxcoin or what's it called 489255;1391827879;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5004286#msg5004286 489256;1391827882;mircea_popescu;o look at that. 489257;1391828018;ozbot;[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings 489258;1391828030;b0n1;mircea_popescu I think the motivation to show up for this event should be enough to show up for this event... Who in hell would like to show up there without knowing who is there and what is going on there... 489259;1391828061;mircea_popescu;i dunno what you meant to say. 489260;1391828069;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 130 @ 0.0055 = 0.715 BTC 489261;1391828129;chipug;theres max coin and then that parody me coin popped up yesterday on twitter 489262;1391828159;mircea_popescu;which one ? 489263;1391828287;chipug;https://twitter.com/MaxScheisse 489264;1391828289;ozbot;The Scheisse Report (MaxScheisse) on Twitter 489265;1391828299;mircea_popescu;hahahaha 489266;1391828324;mircea_popescu;btw, am i the only one thinking death of a salesman is an atrociously stupid play ? 489267;1391828366;diametric;i think for this evening, i'll join the mtgox channels and microwave some popcorn 489268;1391828374;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 24 @ 0.0045 = 0.108 BTC [+] 489269;1391828376;mircea_popescu;maybe blog a summary. 489270;1391828507;chipug;i haven't seen it, so looked it up... seems many share your view mircea_popescu first word that lept out was "sketchy" lol 489271;1391828557;mircea_popescu;the entire thing pivots around some fucktarded kid (athlete drop-out) seeing his dad fucking some girl on the side and "having his life ruined" by this. 489272;1391828567;mircea_popescu;i mean just how us can you get already. 489273;1391828801;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 47 @ 0.0055 = 0.2585 BTC 489274;1391828948;chipug;life ruining... kind of insulting to those that go through actual trauma 489275;1391829342;mircea_popescu;then the guy commits suicide so his offspring can benefit from insurance fraud. 489276;1391829356;chipug;wtf! 489277;1391829364;chipug;do his kids know? 489278;1391829452;mircea_popescu;that's not covered. 489279;1391829533;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12829 BTC [+] 489280;1391829535;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 489281;1391829977;mircea_popescu;http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/06/house-speaker-john-boehner-no-immigration-reform-until-obama-rebuilds-trust/ 489282;1391829978;ozbot;House Speaker John Boehner: No immigration reform until Obama rebuilds trust | The Raw Story 489283;1391830019;mircea_popescu;congress sez us pres can't be trusted to enforce laws. 489284;1391830030;mircea_popescu;this is like... a constitutional crisis neh ? 489285;1391830158;the20year2;Sort of , they were talking about it on the radio quite a bit 489286;1391830174;the20year2;Congress passed obamacare , now they want to change it at will withotu any modifications to the law 489287;1391830185;the20year2;And effectively, they have done that with the mandate delays, implementation delays, ect 489288;1391830347;chetty;Latest stupid idea, you can keep those 'illegal' canceled policies for 3 years ... 489289;1391830416;the20year2;yep 489290;1391830448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14833 @ 0.00086814 = 12.8771 BTC [+] 489291;1391830515;duduqa;;msg nickserv identify manolaum 489292;1391830536;punkman1;doing it wrong 489293;1391830599;BingoBoingo;;;ticker 489294;1391830599;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 674.20001, Best ask: 683.995, Bid-ask spread: 9.79499, Last trade: 674.2, 24 hour volume: 45913.37007353, 24 hour low: 651.70976, 24 hour high: 794.24938, 24 hour vwap: 712.61117 489295;1391830696;Diablo-D3;;;ticker --market coinbase 489296;1391830698;gribble;Coinbase BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 699.0, Best ask: 714.91, Bid-ask spread: 15.91000, Last trade: 706.23, 24 hour volume: None, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: None 489297;1391830742;BingoBoingo;Oh, gox has fallen to having an anti-premium 489298;1391830750;mircea_popescu;come to think about it... the bitcoin exchanges are really sad. 489299;1391830762;mircea_popescu;mtgox ? coinbase ? the bitstamp thing ? the trollbox with an exchange pasted on top ? 489300;1391830768;mircea_popescu;there's really nothing. 489301;1391830780;mircea_popescu;i had great hopes for that kraken thing but good lord... 489302;1391830800;BingoBoingo;Well, Second Market had to look for OTC sellers for a reason... 489303;1391830828;mircea_popescu;i doubt this is ever getting fixed, either. 489304;1391830836;asciilifeform;just 5 guys signed up for MP's party? 489305;1391830875;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 400 @ 0.0055 = 2.2 BTC 489306;1391830889;asciilifeform;(do most people typically come by surprise? i've no idea, not having been to his house before) 489307;1391830891;mircea_popescu;well, plus all the womenz, 24 people. plenty n'est pas ? 489308;1391830900;asciilifeform;aha 489309;1391830902;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, there were like a coupla dozen ppl last time 489310;1391831097;asciilifeform;re: btc exchanges: i'm still waiting for the day of tyrannical bans, when we stuff in cash / receive 'jackpots' from 'malfunctioning' soda machines to convert fiat. 489311;1391831119;mircea_popescu;hahaha 489312;1391831120;asciilifeform;(they all have ethernet plugged in already, no?) 489313;1391831126;mircea_popescu;o dude that's a splendid idea 489314;1391831138;mircea_popescu;the soda malfunction thing could be in a great blond movie 489315;1391831144;asciilifeform;ideas, so cheap. 489316;1391831151;asciilifeform;action, so costly. 489317;1391831189;mircea_popescu;i tell you i can see a film in the style of chaplin's satire of nazi germany, but done with the means of 1970s made for tv french comedies. 489318;1391831202;asciilifeform;i can picture it already. 489319;1391831225;asciilifeform;or even something in the style of that 'nazi donald duck' cartoon. 489320;1391831238;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MReV9dkAVhY 489321;1391831270;chipug;did you hear about the poor wee 5 y/o who died after drinking soda? 489322;1391831281;asciilifeform;strike that 489323;1391831291;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-PZVrWvJM0&list=RDMReV9dkAVhY 489324;1391831292;ozbot;Der Furher's Face - YouTube 489325;1391831302;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0705 = 0.282 BTC [-] {2} 489326;1391831303;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12829 = 0.6415 BTC [+] 489327;1391831304;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] 489328;1391831329;chipug;parents being done with murder http://news.sky.com/story/1208013/girl-dies-after-being-forced-to-drink-soda 489329;1391831372;chipug;excuse the sky news link 489330;1391831418;mircea_popescu;who force kids to drink soda 489331;1391831558;mircea_popescu;those people look awful. it'd suck if your parents had those mugs ;/ 489332;1391831705;mod6;wow. good ole tennessee 489333;1391831730;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 489334;1391831790;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1000 @ 0.0055 = 5.5 BTC 489335;1391831821;asciilifeform;am i the only one who thought of conan doyle's 'the leather funnel' after reading that ? 489336;1391831860;asciilifeform;http://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/LeaFun.shtml 489337;1391831862;ozbot;Short Stories: The Leather Funnel by Arthur Conan Doyle 489338;1391831873;mircea_popescu;i just thought this is bs, grape juice doesn't give you water intoxication. 489339;1391831898;asciilifeform;drowning sounds more like it 489340;1391831904;asciilifeform;esp. if they used funnel. 489341;1391831973;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 909 @ 0.0055 = 4.9995 BTC 489342;1391832195;chipug;i'm thinking ^ that. 2litre bottle.fucks sake man.poor wee crater 489343;1391832242;chipug;it's a real shame that just any one can have children 489344;1391832339;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.19376446 = 1.7439 BTC [+] 489345;1391832340;mod6;maybe some prison guards will pour 2+ litres of jizz down ole Randall's throat, see how he handles it. 489346;1391832386;chipug;maybe so 489347;1391832387;Dimsler;whose randal 489348;1391832400;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.06823528 = 1.16 BTC [-] {4} 489349;1391832401;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.12743 = 1.1469 BTC [-] {2} 489350;1391832402;chipug;do wine funnels have any effect on the the taste? 489351;1391832403;mod6;The winner in the article. 489352;1391832461;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.127 = 0.381 BTC [-] 489353;1391832464;theo__;RENT is really going off within 10 hours more then 8000 shares have already been sold 489354;1391832505;mircea_popescu;chipug yes. you taste with your nose. 489355;1391832544;Dimsler;lol 489356;1391832545;Dimsler;grape drink 489357;1391832603;chipug;i can only see them used with reds 489358;1391832638;chipug;when did they world fall out of love with ornate things 489359;1391832660;mircea_popescu;chipug when women started going to work. 489360;1391832694;chipug;sad times 489361;1391832722;chipug;can i go back to before but keep the tech? 489362;1391832751;mircea_popescu;yep 489363;1391832787;chipug;win, i'm in 489364;1391832811;mircea_popescu;i think it's pretty much where it;s headed. 489365;1391832978;chipug;think women have changed their minds about working 489366;1391832993;ThickAsThieves;so have men tho 489367;1391833027;asciilifeform;pet wife reading this seems to agree 489368;1391833036;chipug;this is true, there's too much of an easy other option for them, here anyways 489369;1391833093;mircea_popescu;chipug not about working per se. but it's like, for 1500 years you're NOT ALLOWED to do X. 489370;1391833106;mircea_popescu;then whatever, go do it. you discover it's not quite what you imagined it to be 489371;1391833107;mircea_popescu;settle down 489372;1391833113;mircea_popescu;life can proceed more balancedly. 489373;1391833152;ThickAsThieves;ATC holding steady at 150 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg5010750#msg5010750 489374;1391833202;BingoBoingo;My balance is now, 31,337 I have no reason to acquire more Altcoins or part with any I have 489375;1391833237;chipug;why the extra 30k BingoBoingo 489376;1391833260;BingoBoingo;chipug: I'm the guy in the forum thread who bought 30K 489377;1391833281;BingoBoingo;Altcoin is flying up, straight into the sun! 489378;1391833285;ThickAsThieves;http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-BK855_USPS02_E_20140207185423.jpg 489379;1391833306;mircea_popescu;o look, the usps dildo 489380;1391833312;mircea_popescu;it looks... functional. 489381;1391833362;mircea_popescu;150 is a large amount of price. 489382;1391833377;ThickAsThieves;it's a large amount of alt 489383;1391833401;chipug;i wish i could mine 489384;1391833418;mircea_popescu;why can't you ? 489385;1391833426;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I had to separate myself from people who only had 1337. Now with 31337 I have more of something too cool to sell? 489386;1391833438;mircea_popescu;;;calc 31337/1337 489387;1391833438;gribble;23.4382946896 489388;1391833440;chipug;i'd be as well using a calculator than this laptop mircea_popescu lol 489389;1391833455;mircea_popescu;lol bitcoin is the ultimate in candy i swear. 489390;1391833466;mircea_popescu;i imagine there's thousands chipugs out there going eeeeehnnnn! 489391;1391833480;BingoBoingo;chipug: Scotland still has coal somewhere right? 489392;1391833491;chipug;lololol 489393;1391833496;chipug;BingoBoingo: probably 489394;1391833555;asciilifeform;somebody should dredge up that old javascript miner. 489395;1391833559;asciilifeform;from '09 (?) 489396;1391833600;asciilifeform;i'd do it myself but i'm up to my neck in strange. 489397;1391833629;asciilifeform;(and if some joker already hooked up the asics, it'd be pointless) 489398;1391833665;ThickAsThieves;so what do you think of "alms" for satoshis 489399;1391833686;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Last I checked nethash on alt roughly on par with December 2012 Bitcoin 489400;1391833690;ThickAsThieves;In Buddhism, alms or almsgiving is the respect given by a lay Buddhist to a Buddhist monk, nun, spiritually-developed person or other sentient being. It is not charity as presumed by Western interpreters. It is closer to a symbolic connection to the spiritual realm and to show humbleness and respect in the presence of the secular society. 489401;1391833706;punkman1;ThickAsThieves: should call your satoshis "litecoins" 489402;1391833709;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: a tad bit late for the js miner then. 489403;1391833729;chipug;ThickAsThieves: i prefer this to the other name.. i think it's nicer when there's a meaning behind names for things. 489404;1391833748;chipug;was it alters or something 489405;1391833752;ThickAsThieves;punkman1, lol 489406;1391833775;ThickAsThieves;but both have meaning 489407;1391833814;BingoBoingo;Maybe I should go to Sochi and mine stray Doges 489408;1391833829;chipug;i think this one is more fitting? 489409;1391833847;copumpkin;BingoBoingo: much sad :( wow 489410;1391833851;ThickAsThieves;actually 489411;1391833866;chipug;are there less people turned up to sochi than normally do for the olympics? 489412;1391833870;ThickAsThieves;alter = change = fractions of an altcoin 489413;1391833883;ThickAsThieves;it means change LITERALLY 489414;1391833884;chipug;^ fair point 489415;1391833986;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 80 @ 0.0055 = 0.44 BTC 489416;1391834004;the20year2;Two more hookers for me 489417;1391834022;the20year2;we've raised enough money today to hold a pretty serious party, like a big bag of blow 489418;1391834171;ThickAsThieves;lol 489419;1391834335;BingoBoingo;I wonder what sort of transport I'd need to move 31337 doges mined in Sochi? 489420;1391834368;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: pack the skins in a crate? 489421;1391834374;punkman1;dogesled of course 489422;1391834396;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That might be the most efficient option. 489423;1391834414;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.0008 = 0.16 BTC [+] 489424;1391834428;asciilifeform;besides, they needn't travel far. chinese will 'convert them to rabbits and squirrels' for hatters. 489425;1391834432;mircea_popescu;isn't the doge some japan dog ? 489426;1391834444;chipug;shiba inu 489427;1391834469;copumpkin;a.k.a. shiba dog 489428;1391834469;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They probably pay better than people trading on Cryptsy do 489429;1391834509;mircea_popescu;more like a fox than a dog really 489430;1391834517;mircea_popescu;isn't this the dog that catlicks itself ? 489431;1391834528;chipug;that's the japanese chin 489432;1391834529;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yeah, that one 489433;1391834537;chipug;chin is japanese for cat-like 489434;1391834568;copumpkin;inu = dog 489435;1391834573;chipug;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/Japanese_Chin_portrait.jpg 489436;1391834584;chipug;they ^ wash like cats 489437;1391834594;mircea_popescu;ow god 489438;1391834604;mircea_popescu;that's one ugly w/e it was 489439;1391834608;chipug;lol i know right? 489440;1391834615;chipug;i really would like one 489441;1391834628;punkman1;would reddit love anything other than the worst dog? 489442;1391834676;mircea_popescu;punkman1 maybe an octopus ? 489443;1391834676;Plaxant;punkman1 my parents have a shibu mix, it's a pretty cool dog. 489444;1391834729;chetty;an octopus would make a cool pet 489445;1391834730;mircea_popescu;soo say hi to hplshuehue, who is a specialist endocrynologist from bahia, brazil. 489446;1391834748;mircea_popescu;chetty i hear they're very smart. 489447;1391834755;ThickAsThieves;hello hplshuehue 489448;1391834759;punkman1;i love octopus 489449;1391834772;punkman1;kinda hard to get it right on the grill though 489450;1391834774;chipug;punkman1: maybe Ug: http://www.vh1.com/celebrity/bwe/images/2010/12/UGLIEST-DOG-IN-BRITAIN-01.jpg 489451;1391834774;chetty;and if you get hungry .... 489452;1391834778;BingoBoingo;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFOEZh1Lbbg 489453;1391834779;ozbot;Giant Octopus Eats Sharks at Aquarium - YouTube 489454;1391834792;mircea_popescu;whoa. lasers involved ? 489455;1391834793;hplshuehue;Thank you, Mr. Mircea Popescu, and thanks everyone for helping the growth/spread/development of bitcoin 489456;1391834814;chipug;Hello hplshuehue :) 489457;1391834833;chetty;Hiya hplshuehue 489458;1391834883;hplshuehue;Hi there 489459;1391834904;punkman1;hplshuehue: you posted your nickserv password earlier, just in case you didn't notice 489460;1391834913;hplshuehue;yes 489461;1391834916;hplshuehue;so lame 489462;1391834929;hplshuehue;I won´t use that nick anymore 489463;1391834965;hplshuehue;I gave up a more enthusiastic participation in the brazilian bitcoin community 489464;1391834993;hplshuehue;sadly because of fear of Leviatan´s heavy hand 489465;1391835082;punkman1;expecting bad news in Brazil? 489466;1391835114;chipug;hplshuehue: you should change your password just so no one else can use it either 489467;1391835131;hplshuehue;right 489468;1391835133;hplshuehue;let me do so 489469;1391835137;hplshuehue;;quit 489470;1391835160;chipug;oh i didn't mean him to go! 489471;1391835173;mircea_popescu;now who's gonna fix our glands. 489472;1391835193;chipug;lol sorry! i think he will be back! 489473;1391835214;chipug;let's hope your glands can hold out a bit mircea_popescu :P 489474;1391835224;mircea_popescu;my sleep glands are inflamed. 489475;1391835227;chetty;I wanna hear whats up (down) in Brazil 489476;1391835230;mircea_popescu;so i guess we see about it tomorrow 489477;1391835263;Perlboy;hi mircea_popescu, has someone come in here and asked about the assbot big put contract flows a day or two ago? 489478;1391835297;Perlboy;if so, was it explained what it meant? Some peeps in another channel are confused and just trying to determine if i should go back track through my logs rather than repeat the same thing over and over again 489479;1391835307;chetty;I think mp just left 489480;1391835310;Perlboy;'rather than make you repeat' <-- Which I suspect you wouldn't. :) 489481;1391835344;punkman1;Perlboy, someone bet big on BTC price going up by the end of February 489482;1391835354;punkman1;they are not in the money at the moment 489483;1391835368;Perlboy;punkman1, up by $500 ? 489484;1391835387;BingoBoingo;Perlboy: Up to $5000 489485;1391835395;BingoBoingo;With steps along the way 489486;1391835418;duduqa;well, I´m the same hlpshuehue 489487;1391835435;duduqa;changed the password 489488;1391835439;duduqa;thanks for being nice 489489;1391835454;duduqa;different notebook and tired... 489490;1391835460;Perlboy;BingoBoingo, punkman1 is this based on the Bitcointalk thread or actual confirmation from mircea_popescu? 489491;1391835464;punkman1;duduqa: no big deal, just keep your GPG keys private 489492;1391835473;Perlboy;cause there's conjecture as to whether the bitcointalk thread actually understands correctly 489493;1391835573;punkman1;Perlboy: might be a good exercise to do the math yourself 489494;1391835600;BingoBoingo;Perlboy: Based on assbot. 489495;1391835603;Perlboy;punkman1, well, see we have been and multiple people came to different conclusions. :) 489496;1391835633;the20year2;http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one/ 489497;1391835634;ozbot;BitBet - And Then There Was One 489498;1391835636;punkman1;who's this we 489499;1391835668;BingoBoingo;^^ 489500;1391835694;BingoBoingo;Different wee wees come in different sizes and abilities 489501;1391835745;chipug;lol 489502;1391835746;Namworld;The puts were sold into MPEx bids. Although the strikes were 4100-5000 USD per BTC, the price those PUTs were sold meant it was only at a small loss at time of sale. So if prices went up, profits, if price went down, losses. 489503;1391835753;Namworld;No bet about price going over 5000 489504;1391835816;Namworld;If price had went up, even if it didn't go to over 5000, the price the PUTs were sold would have been more than their execution value, so the seller would be in the money. 489505;1391835902;duduqa;gotta have some sleep, guys, have a nice weekend! 489506;1391835905;duduqa;bye bye 489507;1391835927;Namworld;bye 489508;1391836077;punkman1;Scuola di Assets http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Sanzio_01.jpg 489509;1391836116;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1591949/plain/) 489510;1391836116;BingoBoingo;!b 1 489511;1391836304;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02829979 = 0.1415 BTC [-] {2} 489512;1391836325;punkman1;been nursing this bottle of wine tonight, makes me want to write 489513;1391836335;punkman1;but now I'm thinking about painting 489514;1391836340;chipug;so many headlines re fancy opening for sochi and very few about the hijacker that tried to get a plane to fly into it 489515;1391836412;punkman1;"He threatened to set off a bomb with a cellphone if his demands were not met, but the crew fooled him — and the other passengers — into thinking the plane had landed in Sochi when it was actually in Istanbu" 489516;1391836421;punkman1;cool 489517;1391836426;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00527863 = 0.1056 BTC [+] {6} 489518;1391836609;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23864 @ 0.00086257 = 20.5844 BTC [-] {3} 489519;1391836670;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.000795 = 0.159 BTC [-] 489520;1391836731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32350 @ 0.00086059 = 27.8401 BTC [-] {5} 489521;1391836731;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 362 @ 0.00079 = 0.286 BTC [-] 489522;1391836914;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02757051 = 0.2757 BTC [-] {4} 489523;1391837036;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3328 @ 0.00013285 = 0.4421 BTC [-] {2} 489524;1391837219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.07341384 = 1.4683 BTC [+] {6} 489525;1391837646;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+] 489526;1391837829;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.13437496 = 1.075 BTC [+] {3} 489527;1391838073;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.003082 = 0.4253 BTC [-] 489528;1391838134;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.0008 = 0.8 BTC [+] 489529;1391838195;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 110 @ 0.0055 = 0.605 BTC 489530;1391839049;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 142 @ 0.0055 = 0.781 BTC 489531;1391839232;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52 = 1.04 BTC [+] {2} 489532;1391839903;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 169 @ 0.00078253 = 0.1322 BTC [-] {3} 489533;1391839949;benkay`;what's the grand total of rentalstarter sold? 489534;1391839964;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.00300517 = 0.1983 BTC [-] {3} 489535;1391840805;stevokebar;im seeing 78534-69995=8539 sold 489536;1391840940;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00013273 = 0.3982 BTC [-] {4} 489537;1391841001;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 91 @ 0.0055 = 0.5005 BTC 489538;1391841917;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53 = 1.06 BTC [+] 489539;1391843258;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 489540;1391843322;kakobrekla;mornin 489541;1391843422;benkay`;hi kakobrekla. power and water ok? 489542;1391843437;KRS-One;.bait 489543;1391843439;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m26p37sj6z1rp8c9ao1_500.jpg 489544;1391843462;KRS-One;Thats like my dreamgirl. 489545;1391843466;KRS-One;Almost. 489546;1391843481;KRS-One;.bait 489547;1391843483;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1chkwU3bN1qzgtffo1_1280.jpg 489548;1391843501;KRS-One;.bait 489549;1391843503;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3upnl0szU1qcmkeso1_500.png 489550;1391843602;KRS-One;.bait 489551;1391843604;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m42hu7VZTC1qfuc60o1_500.jpg 489552;1391843631;KRS-One;da fuq..that one bitch is only half boobin it.. 489553;1391843637;KRS-One;must be half-time. 489554;1391843654;KRS-One;must be half-time. 489555;1391843655;KRS-One;.bait 489556;1391843657;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyk0igIWP31r1g6xio1_500.jpg 489557;1391843666;KRS-One;.bait 489558;1391843667;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3a03hfuVd1qhj8a7o1_500.jpg 489559;1391843681;KRS-One;http://shouldipanicsell.com/ 489560;1391843682;ozbot;Should i panic sell ? 489561;1391843718;jayk;.bait 489562;1391843720;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3xjbqTynb1qbm0ano1_1280.jpg 489563;1391843845;kakobrekla;benkay` no :( 489564;1391843874;kakobrekla;cold water, no power. 489565;1391844783;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 188 @ 0.00468475 = 0.8807 BTC [+] {5} 489566;1391844806;KRS-One;wtf kakobrekla 489567;1391844824;kakobrekla;m? 489568;1391845061;benkay`;how'd you manage to get online? 489569;1391845111;kakobrekla;power generator and a few ups 489570;1391845216;benkay`;fuel drops too? 489571;1391845260;kakobrekla;power generator and a few ups 489572;1391845260;kakobrekla;ops 489573;1391845336;kakobrekla;what do ya mean fuel drops 489574;1391845336;kakobrekla;fuel i can get 489575;1391845359;benkay`;as in someone drops it at your residence 489576;1391845820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4328 @ 0.00086019 = 3.7229 BTC [-] 489577;1391845881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12297 @ 0.00085962 = 10.5707 BTC [-] 489578;1391846247;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04897963 = 0.1469 BTC [+] {3} 489579;1391846305;chetty;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-07/guest-post-running-away-reality 489580;1391846308;ozbot;Guest Post: Running Away From Reality | Zero Hedge 489581;1391846355;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53uEPkUxvTM 489582;1391846356;ozbot;Midnights Ravers - Le Triomphe du chaos - YouTube 489583;1391846555;Vexual;did you buy the godlike generator? 489584;1391846613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10326 @ 0.00085962 = 8.8764 BTC [-] {2} 489585;1391846622;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR_u0JUYxfg 489586;1391846623;ozbot;Bob Marley - Midnight ravers - YouTube 489587;1391846674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22274 @ 0.00085837 = 19.1193 BTC [-] {3} 489588;1391846682;Vexual;meowfung makes a mighty fine yanmar approximation 489589;1391846733;benkay`;;;later tell mircea_popescu now for a tcp test harness. on one hand, 'yak shaving'. on the other hand, things worth doing are worth doing well. 489590;1391846733;gribble;The operation succeeded. 489591;1391846738;kakobrekla;no fuel drops 489592;1391846739;kakobrekla;http://hugelolcdn.com/i/240652.gif 489593;1391846763;Vexual;best gif evar 489594;1391846775;kakobrekla;hehe 489595;1391846780;herbijudlestoids;hullo lads 489596;1391846795;Vexual;i say it with a j out of respect for expert groups 489597;1391846806;Vexual;hey herbi 489598;1391846824;benkay`;i say it whichever way will least derail local conversation. 489599;1391846859;Vexual;i never say it out loud 489600;1391846937;benkay`;it's SO MUCH FUN to be technically correct in a room full of hipsters, and similarly great fun to say it the way the rest of the world does in a room of nerds. 489601;1391846941;benkay`;not. 489602;1391846964;benkay`;hey herbijudlestoids you're some sort of quant, correct? 489603;1391846973;herbijudlestoids;some sort, yea, why 489604;1391846979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00086136 = 9.7334 BTC [+] {4} 489605;1391847000;benkay`;well you've stuck around for more than three days and might be worth getting to know ;) 489606;1391847052;benkay`;what with your charts etc 489607;1391847059;herbijudlestoids;full disclosure benkay, like i said to kako the other day, i got a regular day job in a small company doing large scale openstack ops and iv been trading (mostly EOD) since 2008 489608;1391847077;Vexual;brb 489609;1391847116;herbijudlestoids;i split my time pretty much equally between them, 9-5ish at the company and 6-~bedtime researching, reading news, etc and then i will place trades on NY close 489610;1391847126;benkay`;what's a small company doing hosting big virtualized operations? 489611;1391847145;herbijudlestoids;we are first to market in aus, basically 489612;1391847152;herbijudlestoids;small now, big soon ;) 489613;1391847171;benkay;virtualization as a service? 489614;1391847175;benkay;what are your prices? 489615;1391847179;herbijudlestoids;full IaaS stack 489616;1391847194;benkay;SHOW ME YOUR PRICE SHEEEEET 489617;1391847198;benkay;plz. 489618;1391847199;herbijudlestoids;we dont provide a public cloud benkay, we build the public cloud for companies that want it ;) 489619;1391847206;herbijudlestoids;really? 489620;1391847208;herbijudlestoids;one sec 489621;1391847245;herbijudlestoids;this is the smallest company iv ever worked for, usually i work for large research organisations and unis building this kind of stuff 489622;1391847276;benkay;are you some sort of vine-swinging operations wizard or something? 489623;1391847314;benkay;i'll grill you about your biz all night, friend. i just hit a wall on this thing and ran out of brain at the exact same time. 489624;1391847338;herbijudlestoids;well, apparently...basically i was just a regular sysadmin who knew puppet, and one large org needed a guy who knew puppet...i ended up deploying the pilot and first production phase 489625;1391847345;herbijudlestoids;took off from there 489626;1391847350;herbijudlestoids;benkay: how do i get this PDF to you 489627;1391847356;benkay;benkay@gmail.com 489628;1391847378;benkay;i'm not precisely hiding from anyone, you see. 489629;1391847385;herbijudlestoids;sent 489630;1391847399;herbijudlestoids;might not be the latest ver but should be close to 489631;1391847464;benkay;nah its great 489632;1391847466;herbijudlestoids;we got offices in aus and india and starting one in sth america very very soon 489633;1391847484;benkay;best of luck, i'm sure you'll all do well for yourselves. 489634;1391847507;benkay;i'm mostly curious about how other web-tech consulting operations break out pricing 489635;1391847511;herbijudlestoids;that is the plan, weve had a few buyout offers already but have to keep pushing them back as we grow 489636;1391847528;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+] 489637;1391847557;herbijudlestoids;i just developed a piece of software in december and we are going to demo it to ...a very large linux org next week, they are creaming their pants whenever our CEO mentions it 489638;1391847596;herbijudlestoids;thx :) 489639;1391847607;herbijudlestoids;sooo...lets talk BTC mining ROI 489640;1391847612;benkay;no no no no 489641;1391847614;kakobrekla;lmao 489642;1391847616;herbijudlestoids;because, for amusement sake i have been keeping track 489643;1391847640;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1592159/plain/) 489644;1391847640;kakobrekla;!b 4 489645;1391847640;herbijudlestoids;and last night i actually noticed there were miners for sale that were ROI more BTC than they were worth 489646;1391847667;herbijudlestoids;i found a 100GH/s 28nm miner selling for 0.83BTC 489647;1391847675;benkay;well i'm intrigued to hear what you have to say but i suspect the long and the short of it is going to be 'unless you get the hardware or juice at a discount the breakeven is never' 489648;1391847728;herbijudlestoids;well i was just curious about your guys opinions, since its the first time iv ever seen a mining rig for sale that was able to ROI since...since GPUs were the thing 489649;1391847793;benkay;probably worn in harder than a bike that's been to burning man 5 times with 3 different owners 489650;1391847822;herbijudlestoids;specifically, last night i saw on ebay, a prospero x-1 100GH/s for 650AUD when the BTC/AUD price was 780... 489651;1391847838;herbijudlestoids;now obviously small fry 100GH/s is nothing but i thought it was interesting 489652;1391847852;punkman1;could mine ATC with it 489653;1391847853;benkay;i suspect it's a dead box hashing. 489654;1391847865;herbijudlestoids;benkay: whats dead box hashing? 489655;1391847877;benkay;now there's a thought - downcycle worn-in BTC asics on the altchains... 489656;1391847888;benkay;... 489657;1391847893;benkay;"dead man walking" 489658;1391847926;herbijudlestoids;ah, as in difficulty rising faster than expected will mean it cant ROI? i guess so, the calculation i used assumed 50% increase/month in difficulty 489659;1391847927;benkay;implying that the man in question simply doesn't know that he's dead yet. 489660;1391847935;benkay;no, implying it's on its last legs. 489661;1391847956;herbijudlestoids;but the machines only just came out? 489662;1391847967;benkay;is it new in box? 489663;1391847973;benkay;un touched? 489664;1391847985;benkay;never run out-of-spec? 489665;1391848025;punkman1;"Need a C++ coder to join "CryptoCoin Developers Inc.' agency for creating new bitcoin related start up's" 489666;1391848027;herbijudlestoids;this isnt the exact one i saw, but yea, sold as new http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Prospero-X-1-100Gh-s-Bitcoin-Mining-ASIC-Miner-New-In-Box-/111270548942?pt=AU_Components&hash=item19e83dd5ce 489667;1391848046;punkman1;these folks are multiplying 489668;1391848073;benkay;ah 489669;1391848077;benkay;well a) it's a pre-order 489670;1391848091;herbijudlestoids;nope, check the page 489671;1391848100;punkman1;says late-april 489672;1391848113;benkay;uh 489673;1391848127;benkay;Delivery Date -- This is a PRE-ORDER, now on Batch 2 Round 1, all further orders are available for dispatch Late April 2014. 489674;1391848127;benkay; 489675;1391848127;benkay; 489676;1391848129;herbijudlestoids;ahh mhmhmhmm 489677;1391848139;herbijudlestoids;there is a bit down the bottom where the guy says something about having 10 of them 489678;1391848142;herbijudlestoids;maybe i misread 489679;1391848199;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1376 @ 0.00013418 = 0.1846 BTC [+] {2} 489680;1391848209;benkay;talk to kakobrekla he's had some luck mining and acquiring mining hardware 489681;1391848234;herbijudlestoids;hmm nah i guess that explains it, iv never seen mining hardware good for ROI before and i guess this isnt either 489682;1391848237;herbijudlestoids;just misread it 489683;1391848400;benkay;hey you guys you guys check out https://macys.com 489684;1391848461;benkay;macy's fucked up their cerrrrt 489685;1391848587;Vexual;who are you the fucking nanny? 489686;1391848617;Vexual;that just came out, im sorry 489687;1391848622;benkay;I am fucking the nanny! 489688;1391848626;Vexual;lol 489689;1391848644;herbijudlestoids;uhoh 489690;1391848652;herbijudlestoids;vex got into the vodka 489691;1391848660;benkay;baby doll doesn't even care terribly, and boy does she put out when she gets jealous 489692;1391848666;Vexual;yeah well bankays still not going near my kids 489693;1391848726;benkay;dude you do not have children 489694;1391848744;kakobrekla;you need balls for that 489695;1391848749;Vexual;ouchie 489696;1391848760;benkay;and we've all seen how you play chess 489697;1391848800;Vexual;indeed, its evident 489698;1391848867;benkay;http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2014/02070836-isee-3.html 489699;1391848868;ozbot;ICE/ISEE-3 to return to an Earth no longer capable of speaking to it | The Planetary Society 489700;1391848986;benkay;my partner recently went out for lunch with the gentleman who came up with Forth. he apparently cut his teeth hacking into satellites, implementing Forth with their op codes and then deploying better-than-launched-with flight control software. 489701;1391848992;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.135 BTC [+] 489702;1391848998;Vexual;that shit is from way before you were getting newsgroups on a 1.44 or hooking your moms phone up to a 300 baud 489703;1391849040;jayk;hrh 489704;1391849046;benkay;thank you, captain obvious. 489705;1391849053;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 10000 @ 0.0055 = 55 BTC 489706;1391849066;jayk;there was that strange sat transmission broadcasted over america... 489707;1391849071;jayk;on tv 489708;1391849089;jayk;it ran for 30-45 seconds i think 489709;1391849114;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 9312 @ 0.0008447 = 7.8658 BTC [+] {23} 489710;1391849150;Vexual;yeah well ive been hit by lighning twice putting up anttenas 489711;1391849175;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 688 @ 0.00087007 = 0.5986 BTC [+] {2} 489712;1391849200;herbijudlestoids;volatility on MPOE, http://imgur.com/MixUdTD ...otherwise known as "why intraday mean reversion is probably not safe" 489713;1391849216;benkay;;;later tell asciilifeform http://www.greenarraychips.com/ the greenarray chips begin to approach your dream of computation fabric. they're obviously lacking in some important area, but i'll have to ask you about that later. 489714;1391849216;gribble;The operation succeeded. 489715;1391849245;jayk;On November 22, 1987, an unidentified man wearing a Max Headroom mask intercepted the signals of two television stations in Chicago. 489716;1391849247;benkay;how does this indicate imr to be unsafe? 489717;1391849249;jayk;i gues thats what i was thinking of 489718;1391849270;Vexual;that wasnt sat, that was 2 square miles of new jersy 489719;1391849273;jayk;yeah 489720;1391849284;jayk;i thought it was sat 489721;1391849294;herbijudlestoids;benkay: that vol spike would be very hard to handle as a trade 489722;1391849312;benkay;need more context. what is the index axis? 489723;1391849326;benkay;herbijudlestoids ^^ 489724;1391849352;herbijudlestoids;its the 20 tick standard deviation of 20 tick log normal returns 489725;1391849377;herbijudlestoids;so each "index" point is one datapoint in that timeseries 489726;1391849419;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.07379869 = 0.5166 BTC [+] 489727;1391849480;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04897966 = 0.1469 BTC [+] 489728;1391849568;benkay;i have no idea what twenty-tick standard deviation of twenty tick log normal returns means 489729;1391849579;benkay;would you be so kind as to explain a little? 489730;1391849601;Vexual;yeah dumb it down for me too 489731;1391849630;herbijudlestoids;benkay: ok a tick is a trade 489732;1391849670;benkay;yup 489733;1391849670;herbijudlestoids;benkay: so the 20 tick log normal return is ln(CurrentTickPrice/TwentyTicksAgoPrice) 489734;1391849678;benkay;ah 489735;1391849687;benkay;why not time-normalize? 489736;1391849688;Vexual;wheres the wazardry? 489737;1391849699;herbijudlestoids;and then i take the rolling standard deviation of that value over the last 20 ticks 489738;1391849711;benkay;okay, still with you. 489739;1391849728;Vexual;i dont belive in stats 489740;1391849733;herbijudlestoids;that plot is the rolling standard deviation over the ticks 489741;1391849741;herbijudlestoids;you dont "believe" in them? lol 489742;1391849775;Vexual;well..... 489743;1391849787;benkay;okay, so how do we get from that graph to "that vol spike would be very hard to handle as a trade"? 489744;1391849825;herbijudlestoids;"why not time normalised" because MPEX doesn't really seem to operate like a regular exchange in terms of time and also there is not really enough trades happening in any given hour/4h/day block to make a realistic OHLC bargraph 489745;1391849843;benkay;reasonable 489746;1391849852;Vexual;keyword 489747;1391849853;herbijudlestoids;benkay: intraday mean reversion is basically betting against whatever just happened. if the price went down, you bet its about to go up. 489748;1391849858;benkay;although i have no idea what an OHLC bargraph is 489749;1391849864;herbijudlestoids;"open high low close" 489750;1391849884;Vexual;what of 24 hour trading genius? 489751;1391849885;herbijudlestoids;like the charts you can see on mpex.co already, i just dont think theyre portraying useful info 489752;1391849899;benkay;hm 489753;1391849904;herbijudlestoids;Vexual: what of it? New York close/New Zealand open is the 24h close 489754;1391849904;benkay;that'd be you, right Vex? 489755;1391849931;Vexual;yeah im where daytraders make their money 489756;1391849939;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckff_bkA5z8 489757;1391849940;ozbot;Calvin Harris - Acceptable in the 80's (With Lyrics) - YouTube 489758;1391849955;benkay;so the spike at 400 is a crazy swing in price 400 ticks ago? 489759;1391849971;herbijudlestoids;benkay: basically betting against whatever just happened is usually profitably when volatility is high and declining...if its low and increasing youre likely in trouble 489760;1391850010;herbijudlestoids;benkay: almost, the spike at 400 is a crazy swing in price at the 400th tick in the timeseries 489761;1391850061;benkay;mhm 489762;1391850077;benkay;just a month ago, bottomed out at like .69 iirc 489763;1391850096;benkay;0.00063 according to my books 489764;1391850098;herbijudlestoids;im very rarely a daytrader. i trade almost entirely EOD and dont like to keep turnover as low as possible for tax considerations 489765;1391850121;benkay;ha 0.00062792 would be where i caught that knife 489766;1391850139;benkay;well trade btc assets! tax free for 2003! 489767;1391850175;benkay;this will impact some trading strategies for sure. 489768;1391850193;herbijudlestoids;i already went through this with kako 489769;1391850202;herbijudlestoids;if i cant repatriate profits its not very useful for me 489770;1391850214;benkay;you'll get btc out, right? 489771;1391850230;herbijudlestoids;if i take sell BTC to buy AUD i need to explain that to the tax office 489772;1391850235;benkay;and you *can* sell those btc for cash in hand, right? 489773;1391850243;benkay;only if it hits your bank, right? 489774;1391850247;herbijudlestoids;theoretically, but its not really convenient 489775;1391850248;Vexual;im your tax man for bc herbi 489776;1391850262;Vexual;its easy, but do it 489777;1391850264;benkay;ah convenience 489778;1391850288;herbijudlestoids;lets say i invest $100,000 into trading BTC assets like MPOE, and i make 10% in a year, am i supposed do $10k cash in hand? 489779;1391850300;benkay;well yes, one must always sacrifice convenience on the altar of security. be it security from rogue computers or security from rogue regimes... 489780;1391850315;Vexual;you pay when you buy aud 489781;1391850330;benkay;what, does 10k CIH make you uncomfortable? 489782;1391850338;benkay;do you not have the resources to pull it off? 489783;1391850346;chetty;http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2014/02/07/bitcoin-vs-apple-videos-of-users-destroying-their-iphones-proliferate-on-youtube/ 489784;1391850347;ozbot;Bitcoin vs. Apple: Videos of Users Destroying Their iPhones Proliferate on YouTube | A Lightning War 489785;1391850347;benkay;and why do it all at once? 489786;1391850360;Vexual;well you pay in july 489787;1391850365;herbijudlestoids;benkay: how is it realistic? lets say i want to split that 10k across my other investments, its immediately back in the financial system 489788;1391850380;herbijudlestoids;and the tax office is suddenly asking where the discrepancy is from 489789;1391850392;benkay;chetty: refusing to embrace the future will be the death of many things. apple is on that list. 489790;1391850408;benkay;well dump it into 4x via bit4x for one 489791;1391850412;herbijudlestoids;lel 489792;1391850420;herbijudlestoids;i literally already had this exact convo with kakobrekla 489793;1391850430;Vexual;or buy a vex trust but its byolawyer now 489794;1391850438;benkay;your problem is not in repatriating btc into fiat. 489795;1391850442;benkay;that is not a problem any more. 489796;1391850452;benkay;forget about realizing your btc gains in fiat. 489797;1391850461;benkay;realize your gains in btc. 489798;1391850462;herbijudlestoids;its not about realising them 489799;1391850472;herbijudlestoids;its about balancing stuff across asset classes 489800;1391850510;benkay;maintain your fiat investments the way you normally od 489801;1391850511;benkay;do 489802;1391850512;Vexual;i can get you btc agro forestry and all the shit 489803;1391850519;benkay;hold btc and let it be your risk holding 489804;1391850523;herbijudlestoids;right, exactly, and now i have to manage two portfolios 489805;1391850541;benkay;you straddle two worlds. 489806;1391850549;benkay;they are antithetical to one another. 489807;1391850557;benkay;you cannot have your cake and eat it too. 489808;1391850563;herbijudlestoids;i can, and do, in physical gold :) 489809;1391850569;Vexual;lol 489810;1391850608;benkay;if you think like that you have much learning to do. 489811;1391850633;Vexual;i think herbi might teach you a few tricks too benkay 489812;1391850655;herbijudlestoids;benkay: think like what? that i can store surplus productivity in physical gold? 489813;1391850670;herbijudlestoids;Vexual: how are you doing that stuff without the ATO up your arse? or are you compliant? 489814;1391850679;benkay;that storing it in physical gold is preferrable to storing it in bitcoin. 489815;1391850698;Vexual;im not anything, ive got tricks, but my lawyers dont play anymore 489816;1391850718;Vexual;and tricks id poor grammar 489817;1391850753;Vexual;ato is cool with btc if you dont be a wanker 489818;1391850764;Vexual;nothing new 489819;1391850811;herbijudlestoids;exactly, if its treated like any other asset class then ceteris paribus trading in BTC has a higher cost base to me 489820;1391850822;herbijudlestoids;the only way i could reduce the cost base is by avoiding the tax 489821;1391850847;Vexual;yeah man, if yo make money, declare it 489822;1391850867;benkay;good night gents 489823;1391850873;benkay;enjoy your lifetime of servitude to the state 489824;1391850879;herbijudlestoids;the only profitable strategy i could think of is that i know the ATO has good treatment for options if theyre hedges to delta <0.3 489825;1391850884;herbijudlestoids;or something like that 489826;1391850887;herbijudlestoids;so you could long bitcoin 489827;1391850892;herbijudlestoids;and hold puts 489828;1391850898;herbijudlestoids;night benkay 489829;1391850944;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 489830;1391850945;herbijudlestoids;benkay: the way i figure is iv already missed the initial wealth transfer...so why bother? if BTC takes over, i will be able to sell my human capital in BTC just as i now sell it in AUD 489831;1391850979;herbijudlestoids;i dont plan on buying BTC until the volatility dies off, thought it might be doing so but the last week of action has proved me wrong 489832;1391850982;Vexual;yes bc works like money 489833;1391851002;Vexual;its like rmb in oz 489834;1391851062;Vexual;nooones gonna tell you yu cant trade, beut when its aussie dollars, you pay tax, simple 489835;1391851132;Vexual;who does your tax re forex shit? 489836;1391851140;herbijudlestoids;accountant 489837;1391851144;herbijudlestoids;i used to do it 489838;1391851147;herbijudlestoids;too busy 489839;1391851274;Vexual;yeah 10-100k on trading needs a dude 489840;1391851297;Vexual;buy some farms and shit, oz aint too different to holland 489841;1391851340;Vexual;except you need to be productive here, there they just are 489842;1391851380;Vexual;im not an accountant 489843;1391851435;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0-JbJgxaXg 489844;1391851436;ozbot;Milow - Little in the Middle (Official Unplugged) - YouTube 489845;1391851486;herbijudlestoids;Vexual: i wanna see you in these pants http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohRa9lsx0Q 489846;1391851496;herbijudlestoids;(any of them) 489847;1391851541;Vexual;im all about the quality management and a chalenge 489848;1391851621;Vexual;twelfteen balkans listening to this conversation 489849;1391851638;herbijudlestoids;lol 489850;1391851659;Vexual;im hoping some will expatriate to australia 489851;1391851752;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0dKkrHr78E 489852;1391851753;ozbot;PXE presents A placa de Ipanema feat. The Herd - YouTube 489853;1391851932;herbijudlestoids;so, i just calculated the 30 day ROC for bitcoin difficulty since the start of 2013 489854;1391851936;herbijudlestoids;http://imgur.com/WSFCAQy 489855;1391851937;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 489856;1391851947;herbijudlestoids;20% was the lowest ROC i found 489857;1391851974;Vexual;roc? 489858;1391851979;herbijudlestoids;rate of change 489859;1391851997;punkman1;what's with the flat parts 489860;1391852007;herbijudlestoids;i.e. over any given 30 day window, 20% was the lowest amount difficulty grew and 100% was the largest amount 489861;1391852020;herbijudlestoids;punkman1: where the rate of change does not change for several datapoints (days) 489862;1391852051;herbijudlestoids;i think because the difficulty only updates on each new block, so there is flat parts in the timeseries 489863;1391852073;punkman1;diff updates every X days not every block 489864;1391852084;herbijudlestoids;right, there you go then 489865;1391852090;Vexual;did you get a machine with iview flash? new rake on sunday 489866;1391852109;herbijudlestoids;Vexual: no :'( 489867;1391852111;Vexual;13 years in jail 489868;1391852126;herbijudlestoids;im using the absolute latest flashplayer 489869;1391852138;Vexual;u need a winez box 489870;1391852157;herbijudlestoids;sucks because i am a fucking iview whore 489871;1391852161;herbijudlestoids;love it 489872;1391852187;herbijudlestoids;anyway vex, what the f are you doing home on a sat night 489873;1391852191;Vexual;yeah i discovered your problem when i was wathxcing the last season of rake, my fave barrister 489874;1391852221;herbijudlestoids;not that i dont appreciate the company :P 489875;1391852224;Vexual;borrow your atlas and never give it back 489876;1391852242;herbijudlestoids;haha wut 489877;1391852253;Vexual;forgotten your name 489878;1391852299;Vexual;i dont leave the house, ive gt more social phobias than duffer and that other cunt put together 489879;1391852399;herbijudlestoids;fair enough, a bit of a hermit myself :) 489880;1391852410;Vexual;yeah not really 489881;1391852426;Vexual;id rather stay home but life happens 489882;1391852429;herbijudlestoids;something for the hermits then http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9IO2pT7lhM 489883;1391852454;Vexual;tuff track 489884;1391852498;Vexual;i was trying to explain a spoonfull of cement to the people in the australian context 489885;1391852505;herbijudlestoids;haha 489886;1391852519;Vexual;im not here for a haircut 489887;1391852599;herbijudlestoids;so i was checking out bitcoin-otc last night 489888;1391852607;herbijudlestoids;interesting...lots of weird stuff listed for sale 489889;1391852639;herbijudlestoids;i was thinking it would be interesting to throw small increments of gold up as offers and see if any takers 489890;1391852691;Vexual;dont tell me about aussie gold unless its proper true 489891;1391852713;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC 489892;1391852805;Vexual;im gonna give you a fast track track on your track to enlightnement sans illegal drugs beacause you're so cool 489893;1391852835;herbijudlestoids;proper true 999 from the perth mint sort of gold :) 489894;1391852865;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFHkO3CqnjU you're already there, youe a surity here 489895;1391852866;ozbot;Bong-Ra 'Can You Dig It ?' - YouTube 489896;1391852887;herbijudlestoids;but i wondered if anyone would be interested cos postage costs from aus would be high 489897;1391852909;Vexual;sans bro sans 489898;1391852918;herbijudlestoids;haaha didnt you play this song the other night? 489899;1391852923;herbijudlestoids;sans? as in without? 489900;1391852928;Vexual;you read the logs 489901;1391852938;Vexual;yes without illegal drugs 489902;1391852952;herbijudlestoids;lol vex im having trouble understanding you 489903;1391852954;Vexual;you got a problem with grog?\ 489904;1391852968;herbijudlestoids;im not a drinker, but no problem with it 489905;1391852975;Vexual;excellenty 489906;1391853000;Vexual;can you grep erowid? 489907;1391853026;herbijudlestoids;i got all of erowid and more stored in my brain :) 489908;1391853037;Vexual;see what i mean 489909;1391853114;Vexual;can yo ufeel the love? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vQaVIoEjOM 489910;1391853130;herbijudlestoids;LEL! 489911;1391853138;herbijudlestoids;i was just listening to a diff public enemy song 489912;1391853159;herbijudlestoids;Vexual: saturday nights in -assets is hiphop night for the hermits lol 489913;1391853163;Vexual;ive still got a passport 489914;1391853167;herbijudlestoids;where is KRS-One 489915;1391853181;Vexual;strip club with his girly 489916;1391853215;Vexual;or in a v8 489917;1391853255;Vexual;both? 489918;1391853267;herbijudlestoids;on his way to the club in his v8 with the girl 489919;1391853275;Vexual;prbably 489920;1391853333;Vexual;hes al about the cubic inches 489921;1391853379;Vexual;and shit 489922;1391853409;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ITLNzPoEqs 489923;1391853410;ozbot;Ol' Dirty Bastard-Shimmy Shimmy Ya - YouTube 489924;1391853572;Vexual;what you nevetr put a padlock on anything? krs1 knows about security 489925;1391853697;punkman1;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xu1tkect4I 489926;1391853698;ozbot;Subcarpati - Balada romanului - Video - YouTube 489927;1391853718;Vexual;1 dont wanna spell it out but in youve got 9 computers and 12 hos hes you man 489928;1391853719;herbijudlestoids;im downloading donnie brasco 489929;1391853748;Vexual;is that like donnie darko? 489930;1391853762;Vexual;with the rabbit 489931;1391853814;Vexual;all the flange 489932;1391853879;Vexual;musica esta execellante 489933;1391854087;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0aRb4rAq0I 489934;1391854088;ozbot;Wax: "Rosana" (Official Music Video) - YouTube 489935;1391854155;Vexual;^Krs1 489936;1391854221;herbijudlestoids;maybe i should go out and get drunk 489937;1391854246;Vexual;gow west are you? 489938;1391854318;herbijudlestoids;not at all? 2 stops on the train from central, could walk to newtown from here 489939;1391854341;Vexual;petersham? 489940;1391854354;herbijudlestoids;closer to the airport, but yea in the vicinity 489941;1391854373;Vexual;ug 489942;1391854386;herbijudlestoids;my mates live right near petersham stn and i have won the schnitzel challenge at the white cockatoo 489943;1391854438;Vexual;white cockatoo was where lawson drank 489944;1391854450;Vexual;i vomited vereywhere in the bank 489945;1391854477;herbijudlestoids;no shit about lawson? gonna look that up 489946;1391854493;Vexual;exiting politely with a spray like a skunk 489947;1391854499;herbijudlestoids;haha true! 489948;1391854509;herbijudlestoids;you swine, how do you know so much culture shit about inner west sydney 489949;1391854513;Vexual;keeep sucking dicks you motherfucking cuntz 489950;1391854531;Vexual;i just got out 489951;1391854537;herbijudlestoids;ahhh 489952;1391854543;herbijudlestoids;enjoy vex, behave 489953;1391854550;Vexual;ciao 489954;1391854870;Vexual;henry lawson is thje name you're looking for 489955;1391854889;herbijudlestoids;lol i know that im not completely uncultured 489956;1391854903;herbijudlestoids;i already looked it up and confirmed on the marrickville council website :D 489957;1391854916;Vexual;lol 489958;1391854990;Vexual;i thought you were wester than that 489959;1391855041;Vexual;theres bitcoin culture when you get to leichhhardt 489960;1391855151;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WhhSBgd3KI&feature=kp i heart sydney 489961;1391855152;ozbot;The Specials - Ghost Town - YouTube 489962;1391855200;Vexual;:D 489963;1391855430;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKw5mBh4rYs 489964;1391855431;ozbot;ODB - Baby, I got your money [*original uncencored video*] - YouTube 489965;1391855458;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.131 BTC [-] 489966;1391855461;Vexual;pankkkaers ads just got weird 489967;1391855575;Vexual;;; later tell mirceas_popescue yes i can provide i tx id if you wanna be a big ho 489968;1391855576;gribble;The operation succeeded. 489969;1391855733;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxLJTmhJQx0 489970;1391855734;ozbot;Girls in Hawaii - Not Dead - YouTube 489971;1391855919;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6j4f8cHBIM 489972;1391855920;ozbot;Nicki Minaj - Stupid Hoe (Explicit) - YouTube 489973;1391856126;kakobrekla;thats just horrible 489974;1391856166;Vexual;::rate jurov inteligent and reasonable 489975;1391856190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13214 @ 0.00085801 = 11.3377 BTC [-] {2} 489976;1391856191;jurov;thx, why so suddenly? 489977;1391856193;Vexual;rate the karaken intelligent an resasobablwe 489978;1391856203;jurov;u dunk? 489979;1391856208;Vexual;i kno wwhere youre from bro 489980;1391856213;kakobrekla;i think he is also deaf 489981;1391856218;jurov;urmom 489982;1391856231;Vexual;um not an idiot 489983;1391856254;Vexual;im just where youre not from 489984;1391856268;jurov;ok.. but srsly, y u no register in the wot? 489985;1391856285;Vexual;well if noone regs vex trommorow im getting it 489986;1391856301;jurov;:D 489987;1391856316;Vexual;you're nearly ,my gave giy i wanna know 489988;1391856334;Vexual;i can spell it with a 1 489989;1391856336;jurov;wat? 489990;1391856353;Vexual;yes i like you jurov, but its no tgay 489991;1391856369;Mats_cd03;I loled 489992;1391856369;jurov;why not gay? D: 489993;1391856385;Vexual;if i was a trolla id have had vex a month ago 489994;1391856418;Vexual;well i aint gonna suxk your dick but i love you more 489995;1391856453;jurov;actually i'm not so much into sucking, too. more like coddling 489996;1391856456;Mats_cd03;Can I get a rim job 489997;1391856464;jurov;see above 489998;1391856496;Vexual;jurov been in it for 20 years 489999;1391856498;Mats_cd03;Coddle my rim nigga 490000;1391856527;jurov;Mats_cd03 well, come around and we'll see what can be done 490001;1391856538;Vexual;careful wagt you wish for 490002;1391856586;jurov;you don't have any such wishes? happily married or having proper harem? 490003;1391856601;Vexual;me? 490004;1391856612;jurov;yes you 490005;1391856620;Vexual;i breathe morning keytones and feel sad 490006;1391856640;Vexual;aint no mystery 490007;1391856660;jurov;better have wishes gone bad than to stay sad 490008;1391856738;jurov;oh lol, it's cuddling, not coddling xD 490009;1391856829;Vexual;youre the first guy im giving points to on wot 490010;1391856851;Vexual;appears reasonable and intelligent' 490011;1391856909;Vexual;ill pay mp and acscii and nubs and great and blacksmith 490012;1391857078;kakobrekla;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-26012779 490013;1391857080;ozbot;BBC News - Man travels 1,000 miles to claim bogus prize 490014;1391857220;Vexual;kako 490015;1391857245;kakobrekla;here 490016;1391857267;Vexual;you're cool maximus 490017;1391857302;jurov;;;bc,stats 490018;1391857305;gribble;Current Blocks: 284784 | Current Difficulty: 2.6214044530646152E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 286271 | Next Difficulty In: 1487 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 15 hours, 29 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3050544405.42 | Estimated Percent Change: 16.37061 490019;1391857324;jurov;.d 490020;1391857325;ozbot;2621404453.06462 | Next Diff in 1487 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.5173% in 8d 17h 20m 35s 490021;1391857349;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.0055 = 0.1265 BTC {2} 490022;1391857355;kakobrekla;who cares, its too god damn high 490023;1391857381;jurov;just cuz bitbet 490024;1391857390;Vexual;yeah wqell i can't find my beer so i dont know shit 490025;1391857408;herbijudlestoids;you drank it, dingus 490026;1391857429;Vexual;waynos cvoolk ntoo 490027;1391857459;Vexual;that ainbt a thing, get real 490028;1391857498;Vexual;graets knws 490029;1391857672;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2wqmGu1EY8 490030;1391857673;ozbot;Everyone Nose (All The Girls Standing In The Line For The... - YouTube 490031;1391857691;Vexual;im not sayig it was you wayneo 490032;1391857760;Vexual;but you said it was be and all od assets knows that aint true 490033;1391857797;Vexual;i can't boot my system with perl 490034;1391857854;Vexual;i didnt even wanna go to that party 490035;1391857899;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC 490036;1391857977;kakobrekla;http://www.thedomains.com/2014/02/07/german-court-says-registrars-are-responsible-for-content-on-a-website/ 490037;1391857979;ozbot;German Court Says Registrars Are Responsible for Content on a Website | TheDomains.com 490038;1391858020;Vexual;i spend half my time injecting stem cells into getmans to give them a sense of humour 490039;1391858045;Vexual;it nevar works 490040;1391858192;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWgvGjAhvIw 490041;1391858193;ozbot;OutKast - Hey Ya - YouTube 490042;1391858222;Vexual;pankake , how come french ads are so coool? 490043;1391858277;Vexual;your fabric softener is called dash 490044;1391858328;Vexual;ice cold 3000 490045;1391858386;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1379 @ 0.000138 = 0.1903 BTC [+] 490046;1391858508;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 40 @ 0.004779 = 0.1912 BTC [+] 490047;1391858839;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS_5BORSayc 490048;1391858841;ozbot;Monkey Magic - YouTube 490049;1391858965;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzbRctkeiC0 490050;1391858966;ozbot;[Zhang Jizhong] Journey to the West (2011) - Episode 3 - YouTube 490051;1391859096;cazalla;that's better, OG monkey is better than the remakes 490052;1391859120;Vexual;indeed cazalla, it is only life after all 490053;1391859283;cazalla;can't wait to show my son the series when he is a little older 490054;1391859307;Vexual;yes 490055;1391859347;Vexual;altthough judo i sireelevant nowadays 490056;1391859396;cazalla;i'll give him a rake so he can pretend to be pigsy in the backyard 490057;1391859418;Vexual;'ha yes but the fish spirit is the real rake holder 490058;1391859423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00085782 = 10.3796 BTC [-] {2} 490059;1391859447;Vexual;see do you undrtsand? 490060;1391859463;cazalla;poker? 490061;1391859469;Vexual;rake poo or clams? 490062;1391859472;cazalla;fish, rake, my mind went to poker, otherwise no 490063;1391859477;Vexual;mm yes 490064;1391859489;Vexual;will y you play hoplem? 490065;1391859501;cazalla;are you drunk? 490066;1391859514;Vexual;do you know my name? 490067;1391859528;Vexual;i dont steal 490068;1391859561;cazalla;not really, i don't get much opportunity to read the channel given new born i'm dealing with 490069;1391859590;Vexual;indeed 490070;1391859602;Vexual;congratulations 490071;1391859623;cazalla;past that, i just want sleep :\ 490072;1391859642;cazalla;which i'm going for now, ttyl 490073;1391859739;Vexual;nicely nicely 490074;1391859924;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ITLNzPoEqs 490075;1391859925;ozbot;Ol' Dirty Bastard-Shimmy Shimmy Ya - YouTube 490076;1391859972;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00086087 = 5.5957 BTC [+] 490077;1391860057;Vexual;::rate wayno unknown 490078;1391860080;Vexual;-1 490079;1391860106;Vexual;strange fruit 490080;1391860168;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhFx9ko73X0 490081;1391860169;ozbot;Ol' Dirty Bastard-Brooklyn Zoo (Video) - YouTube 490082;1391860557;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6j4f8cHBIM 490083;1391860558;ozbot;Nicki Minaj - Stupid Hoe (Explicit) - YouTube 490084;1391860582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11904 @ 0.00086395 = 10.2845 BTC [+] 490085;1391860666;kakobrekla;Vexual quit spamming 490086;1391860667;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014#489971 490087;1391860670;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 490088;1391860687;Vexual;fuck you i paid two milly for this shit 490089;1391860712;kakobrekla;your prepaid mills ran out 490090;1391860722;Vexual;whats the damage? 490091;1391860730;kakobrekla;broken ears 490092;1391860737;Vexual;di it 490093;1391860771;Vexual;ill do it coz i love your ears 490094;1391860859;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjKFCYzqq-A france just asjke me me if i like a ford fiesta 490095;1391860861;ozbot;Parliament Funkadelic - Bring The Funk - YouTube 490096;1391860870;Vexual;i do 490097;1391860874;Vexual;1.0 l 490098;1391860892;Vexual;send me the bill 490099;1391860988;kakobrekla;must think of something you cant afford 490100;1391861047;Vexual;kraken ill be honest, i can pay quarterly, more than that, its a no gop 490101;1391861192;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 490102;1391861245;Vexual;ill keep your arse swingin 490103;1391861336;Vexual;+m wont suffice 490104;1391861367;Vexual;kick will 490105;1391861406;Vexual;yjis is a goat ttrack 490106;1391861410;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-NvQ6VJYtE 490107;1391861412;ozbot;Jamiroquai - Cosmic Girl - YouTube 490108;1391861471;Vexual;please dont kivck me 490109;1391861521;Vexual;im emailing the pm 490110;1391861595;Vexual;nubbins gots goats shirt made already 490111;1391861725;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg 490112;1391861726;ozbot;How To Uninstall McAfee Antivirus - YouTube 490113;1391862020;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nevPqXNjM-k 490114;1391862021;ozbot;John McAfee warning about the use of appliances for security breach purposes - YouTube 490115;1391862158;Vexual;raspi in a luchbox 490116;1391862241;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKw5mBh4rYs regres 490117;1391862242;ozbot;ODB - Baby, I got your money [*original uncencored video*] - YouTube 490118;1391862507;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1plPyJdXKIY 490119;1391862508;ozbot;Warren G - Regulate ft. Nate Dogg - YouTube 490120;1391862656;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-] 490121;1391862865;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeIJmciN8mo&list=ALHTd1VmZQRNptgo4ed0biMPKtTTpYcIE_ 490122;1391862866;ozbot;Nicki Minaj - Starships (Explicit) - YouTube 490123;1391862961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15596 @ 0.00086395 = 13.4742 BTC [+] 490124;1391863162;Vexual;;; later tell mircea_popescue poke nikini minaj 490125;1391863162;gribble;The operation succeeded. 490126;1391863236;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLiFb_xwB1E\ 490127;1391863237;ozbot;Jungle Brothers "Because I Got It Like That" (album version) 1989 - YouTube 490128;1391863360;Vexual;slap i sonly for +m 490129;1391863559;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj8JrQ9w5jY 490130;1391863560;ozbot;LCD Soundsystem - Daft Punk Is Playing At My House - YouTube 490131;1391863631;Vexual;nyc 490132;1391863803;Mats_cd03;Go to sleep, you're drunk 490133;1391863810;Vexual;later tell Luke-Jr I I knnow are about jesus than you 490134;1391863817;Vexual;;;later tell Luke-Jr I I knnow are about jesus than you 490135;1391863817;gribble;The operation succeeded. 490136;1391864087;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r34MG8b_Z3A 490137;1391864088;ozbot;Bliss n Eso - My Life (feat. Ceekay Jones) - Official Video Clip - YouTube 490138;1391864393;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3yXS1i-GHk bhgminer 490139;1391864394;ozbot;LEE SCRATCH PERRY - DuB those crazy Baldheads [HD] Summerjam 2011 - YouTube 490140;1391864669;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.131 BTC [+] 490141;1391864730;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 490142;1391864767;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qCQ8O6D4Ps\ 490143;1391864768;ozbot;Lee 'Scratch' Perry - Interview - Tracks Arte TV - YouTube 490144;1391864831;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nz_uSssKTw so paris 490145;1391864832;ozbot;Junior Murvin - Police & Thieves (HQ) - YouTube 490146;1391865270;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTcP9lK9zTM 490147;1391865272;ozbot;Seeed - Papa Noah - YouTube 490148;1391865341;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.131 BTC [+] 490149;1391865401;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 490150;1391865445;herbijudlestoids;still up vex? 490151;1391865498;Vexual;yah mon nya work pon the sabbath 490152;1391865507;herbijudlestoids;haha 490153;1391865510;herbijudlestoids;hows the weather 490154;1391865540;Vexual;verily stormy 490155;1391865551;herbijudlestoids;but still like 80 degrees? 490156;1391865563;herbijudlestoids;i love the tropics 490157;1391865578;Vexual;mee too i spend too much time here 490158;1391865580;ThickAsThieves;anyone read much on autonomous organizations? 490159;1391865586;ThickAsThieves;http://bitcoinmagazine.com/10055/cryptographic-code-obfuscation-decentralized-autonomous-organizations-huge-leap-forward/ 490160;1391865589;ozbot;Cryptographic Code Obfuscation: Decentralized Autonomous Organizations Are About to Take a Huge Leap 490161;1391865591;ThickAsThieves;mike hearn speaks on it too 490162;1391865596;ThickAsThieves;there's a vid somewhere 490163;1391865622;herbijudlestoids;i read about it briefly but it went over my head 490164;1391865632;ThickAsThieves;i think because it's hot air 490165;1391865671;ThickAsThieves;the closest i've come to distilling why 490166;1391865673;ThickAsThieves;is i 490167;1391865711;ThickAsThieves;is i'm not sure you can have a real autononmous org without it also being spontaneous 490168;1391865737;ThickAsThieves;autonomous* 490169;1391865771;herbijudlestoids;whats the use case for the DAO? 490170;1391865804;ThickAsThieves;i'm also not clear how an autonomous entity would compete with real intelligent businesses 490171;1391865829;ThickAsThieves;the clearest case ive heard 490172;1391865839;ThickAsThieves;is a taxi service that runs itself 490173;1391865846;ThickAsThieves;self-driving cars 490174;1391865857;ThickAsThieves;that autoschedule repairs and upgrades 490175;1391865863;herbijudlestoids;ah ok hmmm 490176;1391865865;ThickAsThieves;and auto save profits 490177;1391865870;ThickAsThieves;to buy more cars 490178;1391865871;ThickAsThieves;etc 490179;1391865879;herbijudlestoids;so its gotta be businesses where theres lots of nodes and all the nodes are equal 490180;1391865882;herbijudlestoids;a flat graph 490181;1391865940;ThickAsThieves;i can envision their dream, i just cant see it surviving in a real world 490182;1391866043;Vexual;you want some more? 490183;1391866072;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+] 490184;1391866124;Vexual;if you've borrowed my atals i want it back 490185;1391866125;herbijudlestoids;hmm interesting, the bitcoin wiki lists "keyhotee" "a DAC replacement for OpenID" 490186;1391866165;Vexual;apparenyly gpg is better than abitcoing signature 490187;1391866224;herbijudlestoids;i guess the -otc WoT is a "DAC" 490188;1391866231;herbijudlestoids;except the entire thing is stored on some server 490189;1391866234;herbijudlestoids;so not really 490190;1391866249;Vexual;i can understand why 490191;1391866259;Vexual;theres ten kinds ow fuckwits 490192;1391866278;ThickAsThieves; except the entire thing is stored on some server --- recently ive been preaching need for a decentralized wot 490193;1391866294;Vexual;motorcyles ride 30 secs apart here in qld now 490194;1391866306;ThickAsThieves;one that also can be made user-friendly 490195;1391866317;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: there is one on freenet 490196;1391866328;ThickAsThieves;doesnt sound uderfriendly 490197;1391866343;Vexual;you've changes your tune 490198;1391866382;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51xC2Us9vXQ 490199;1391866383;ozbot;Katherine Bryan International Solo Flautist - YouTube 490200;1391866406;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: its not bad these days, but yea a little hard for most users cos they have to stop spammers so each identity has a "cost", you gotta fill out a page of 9 captchas or something like that 490201;1391866431;Vexual;my vorb doeth captchas 490202;1391866433;herbijudlestoids;https://wiki.freenetproject.org/Web_of_Trust 490203;1391866438;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC 490204;1391866439;ozbot;Web of Trust - Freenet Wiki 490205;1391866461;Vexual;im coming with a bot when i identify 490206;1391866478;Vexual;and 12 dogs 490207;1391866495;Vexual;2 cats and a guinea pig 490208;1391866519;ThickAsThieves;why does freenet sound like a better tor, but everyone use tor? 490209;1391866547;Vexual;its slower than pankakke coding 490210;1391866549;herbijudlestoids;its completely different 490211;1391866559;herbijudlestoids;tor is a routing layer which has exit nodes 490212;1391866564;herbijudlestoids;i2p is a routing layer without 490213;1391866569;herbijudlestoids;freenet is a distributed datastore 490214;1391866575;herbijudlestoids;theres no "servers" 490215;1391866610;ThickAsThieves;so everyone stores part of everyone else's websites? 490216;1391866631;herbijudlestoids;essentially, yea. its not too different from a DHT 490217;1391866640;herbijudlestoids;its not just website, its arbitrary bytes 490218;1391866694;ThickAsThieves;i feel like there are a dozen bitcoiners probly trying to make this a la blockchain and dont know it already exists 490219;1391866694;herbijudlestoids;if you wanted a distributed WoT, i would recommend a DHT underlying whatever the existing one is 490220;1391866710;herbijudlestoids;yea i get that feeling as well 490221;1391866720;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: thoughts on the freenet distributed WoT? 490222;1391866730;mircea_popescu;which one is this ? 490223;1391866733;herbijudlestoids;https://wiki.freenetproject.org/Web_of_Trust 490224;1391866734;ozbot;Web of Trust - Freenet Wiki 490225;1391866738;ThickAsThieves;what i want is basically like a openID or sign in with Facebook kinda thing but as a WoT 490226;1391866762;mircea_popescu;afaik nanotube was working on something like this since about 2012. is this his ? 490227;1391866768;herbijudlestoids;nope 490228;1391866779;mircea_popescu;then shrug. 490229;1391866781;mircea_popescu;people before tech. 490230;1391866793;herbijudlestoids;well maybe but i dun think so 490231;1391866820;mircea_popescu;(reason i hilited him is cause eventualy once he gets through the logs he can tell me lol) 490232;1391866859;Vexual;whos in awhat now? 490233;1391866887;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: seems like "invictus" is pushing keyhotee pretty hard for this, blockchain based 490234;1391866904;mircea_popescu;also, for the people following s.mg progress : working towards finally moving most of the thing into eclipse 490235;1391866942;ThickAsThieves;keyhotee will fail 490236;1391866946;ThickAsThieves;the name is horrible 490237;1391866994;mircea_popescu;o this is that ancient thing that never went nowhere 490238;1391867008;herbijudlestoids;sounds like there is some room there for something 490239;1391867054;Vexual;1 am 12 cnad what is this? 490240;1391867061;ThickAsThieves;oh he also made bitshares 490241;1391867063;herbijudlestoids;but firstly, how do you convince people to adopt it? 490242;1391867067;ThickAsThieves;for "Many alt-companies with creative profit models." 490243;1391867110;ThickAsThieves;you wrap it into bitcoin services 490244;1391867133;ThickAsThieves;appify it, i dunno 490245;1391867148;mircea_popescu;lel. 490246;1391867154;herbijudlestoids;for example, if everyone in -otc continues to use the centralised version, because they dont want to lose their existing rep, then what 490247;1391867172;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids i will continue to use otc, because i do not use solutions of nobodies. 490248;1391867176;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJbG23qEry8 490249;1391867177;ozbot;Alby Mangels Adventure Bound THE WHOLE SERIES - YouTube 490250;1391867181;mircea_popescu;this is the end of any other attempt, full stop. 490251;1391867190;mircea_popescu;in order to become somebody you become somebody, the steps are laid out 490252;1391867195;mircea_popescu;THEN you go about making things. 490253;1391867209;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: just in the hypothetical that a somebody made something good 490254;1391867212;mircea_popescu;this bs where 20something dork "comes up" with some sort of "revolutionary" thing and everyone cares is not unlike manga. 490255;1391867214;Vexual;cock mouth is always a risk 490256;1391867223;mircea_popescu;not only it never happens, it never should happen and by god im here to ensure it never does. 490257;1391867233;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids nobody definitely didn't make something good. 490258;1391867240;mircea_popescu;he made something that looks good to idiots. 490259;1391867240;herbijudlestoids;teehee 490260;1391867244;mircea_popescu;i tell ye. 490261;1391867254;mircea_popescu;there's more to "good" than meets the eye 490262;1391867264;mircea_popescu;it's just that you're new here and haven't gone through the training process 490263;1391867267;herbijudlestoids;lets just say that you made a nice distributed WoT 490264;1391867271;mircea_popescu;you did not. 490265;1391867280;ThickAsThieves;you, not you 490266;1391867281;Vexual;say what? 490267;1391867287;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves lol. 490268;1391867294;herbijudlestoids;*you*, mp, not you as in the hypothetical you 490269;1391867301;mircea_popescu;but it's absurd, i don't code. 490270;1391867313;ThickAsThieves;maybe you paid some other somebody to do it 490271;1391867314;herbijudlestoids;godanget, i dunno, somebody who you dont think is a retard 490272;1391867315;mircea_popescu;the very proposition belies fundamental ignorance of the entire thing, which is why i object. 490273;1391867319;mircea_popescu;okay. 490274;1391867325;mircea_popescu;so you mean "someone in your wot" 490275;1391867329;herbijudlestoids;so lets say that make it and its good 490276;1391867332;mircea_popescu;okay. 490277;1391867338;herbijudlestoids;now how do you drive teh adoptionz 490278;1391867341;Vexual;mp is very adverse to starting with 0 490279;1391867352;mircea_popescu;that'd be something i can't explain to you. 490280;1391867380;herbijudlestoids;im too retarded? 490281;1391867381;mircea_popescu;but compare and contrast (by which i mean meditate upon) the alt coin with max keiser's alt coin and you'll perhaps you'll come to something. 490282;1391867395;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids no, it's not intelligence you lack, it's the experience that'd inform that intelligence. 490283;1391867400;Vexual;never too retarded, might have to reword the question 490284;1391867407;ThickAsThieves;well i was gonna say, why is driving adoption so integral to the goal 490285;1391867417;ThickAsThieves;make it because it's worth being made 490286;1391867432;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves because people today grow up in this echo chamber 490287;1391867445;mircea_popescu;"you guise think drugs are cool rite ? cause there's these bath salts here..." 490288;1391867452;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: well if the inertia of the existing system means nobody uses it, then it fails at its fundamental goal of being a distributed WoT that derives its value from having lots of credible ratings 490289;1391867463;Vexual;mcafee is cool, bathselts arent 490290;1391867476;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.19376446 = 3.1002 BTC [+] 490291;1391867477;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids your fundamental presumption is that everyone is at all times in the position to make anything. 490292;1391867477;mircea_popescu;this is false. 490293;1391867481;ThickAsThieves;what if you let people port trust, and they get a note on their account 490294;1391867496;ThickAsThieves;Trust History from OTC WoT* 490295;1391867498;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: i was thinking of something like that, maybe you can model existing WoTs as nodes in the graph 490296;1391867498;mircea_popescu;the declaration of love that sunk cleopatra is not something every roman citizen could have made any time they felt like it. 490297;1391867501;ThickAsThieves;maybe our wot sipports wots 490298;1391867508;mircea_popescu;only cesar and antony, and only at proper times. 490299;1391867541;Vexual;mcaffee read erowid and pisssed something better 490300;1391867545;mircea_popescu;most of the possibility of the world is locked away from most people most of the time. 490301;1391867545;herbijudlestoids;ok well in that case its horizontally compatible and doesnt depend on any adoption, in fact would be quite useful in case for example catastrophe strikes the existing WoT server it might be stored on someone elses computer 490302;1391867566;mircea_popescu;i have a copy of the current wot. so can you 490303;1391867572;Vexual;im veetically inept 490304;1391867581;mircea_popescu;it uses the mpex "make your own backups if you're worried" model 490305;1391867612;ThickAsThieves;so it's a wot of wots then 490306;1391867613;Vexual;how does a cardano make mpex better? 490307;1391867632;ThickAsThieves;maybe each wot chain comes with it's own level of trust too 490308;1391867642;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: do you just wget the viewratings.php? 490309;1391867652;mircea_popescu;Vexual i have no idea. the disadvantage of making tools for a reason rather than towards a purpose is that it's really up to the users to figure out how to wring all the utility out of them. 490310;1391867659;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: if each WoT is just a node in the graph it can be exactly so 490311;1391867660;mircea_popescu;linus really had no idea what linux is good for. 490312;1391867672;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids nono, look in the wiki there's a link to backups 490313;1391867678;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: ah ok thx 490314;1391867685;herbijudlestoids;so you just cron those or somethin 490315;1391867698;mircea_popescu;within reason. 490316;1391867745;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: ok so the existing server eats shit somehow, and you have your backup, someone wants to sell you 50 BTC and they screw you somehow, you want to let others know by giving that person a negative rating but you cant 490317;1391867756;herbijudlestoids;you have to fire up mpwot.com and convince people to use it 490318;1391867757;mircea_popescu;wait wait. 490319;1391867762;mircea_popescu;who says i'm trading without a wot ? 490320;1391867773;Vexual;i will 490321;1391867782;Vexual;is it a thing? 490322;1391867782;herbijudlestoids;so the wot goes down and liquidity vanishes? 490323;1391867790;mircea_popescu;liquidity in the periphery 490324;1391867802;herbijudlestoids;right, i guess you dont need the wot for everyone 490325;1391867805;mircea_popescu;this is how financial networks work : when standardisation goes down the periphery eats it. 490326;1391867809;herbijudlestoids;just people you dont already know 490327;1391867846;Vexual;soemone at emy sushi 490328;1391867846;mircea_popescu;which incidentally shows you a different path into why the periphery can not be the standardisation driver 490329;1391867855;mircea_popescu;which is exactly homologuous to what i said earlier. 490330;1391867860;Vexual;this can oly be good 490331;1391867862;herbijudlestoids;teehee you said homo 490332;1391867868;ThickAsThieves;so what youre saying is, the best way to model reputation systems, is like how they work IRL?! 490333;1391867876;ThickAsThieves;:) 490334;1391867879;mircea_popescu;lol 490335;1391867880;Vexual;:) 490336;1391867895;Vexual;welsome to earth herbi 490337;1391867902;herbijudlestoids;anyone know if the existing WoT software is open source? 490338;1391867907;mircea_popescu;it is. 490339;1391867933;herbijudlestoids;sounds like all it needs is an extra piece of functionality, so each WoT node can talk to other WoT nodes 490340;1391867936;herbijudlestoids;and rate them 490341;1391867946;mircea_popescu;it has that already 490342;1391867951;mircea_popescu;write an irc bot. 490343;1391867956;mircea_popescu;talk to gribble. 490344;1391867965;Vexual;i really wanted to eat that 490345;1391867966;herbijudlestoids;so ThickAsThieves whats missing? 490346;1391867971;ThickAsThieves;CSS 490347;1391867972;herbijudlestoids;sounds like functionality is there 490348;1391867972;mircea_popescu;nothing is missing lol 490349;1391867973;ThickAsThieves;as usual 490350;1391867989;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: he was saying just before you came in that he wanted a distributedier WoT 490351;1391867996;mircea_popescu;what the fuck, are we stupid or something ? been using this thing for years, i promote it as the solution, something;'s missing ? 490352;1391867997;mircea_popescu;caus ewhy. 490353;1391868010;herbijudlestoids;i just assumed the functionality wasnt there 490354;1391868014;mircea_popescu;yeah well. 490355;1391868025;ThickAsThieves;so why dont i use wot to log into things? 490356;1391868032;mircea_popescu;because things suck. 490357;1391868042;Vexual;coz your house aint amart 490358;1391868047;mircea_popescu;takes all of five minutes to steal gribble id code. 490359;1391868066;mircea_popescu;meanwhile all the fuckwitted uk people who spend their time pretending to be women and pretending to be famous and important and into tech 490360;1391868068;Vexual;i wish i knew hwo at emy sushi 490361;1391868079;mircea_popescu;spend all their time making retarded websites encouraging little boys to waste their life similarly 490362;1391868080;herbijudlestoids;so really what you want, ThickAsThieves is a REST API 490363;1391868089;mircea_popescu;because then if there are many idiots in the same boat it wouldn't have been a waste. 490364;1391868095;herbijudlestoids;so that people can query whichever shits they want in web services? 490365;1391868103;mircea_popescu;and i think exactly the same of friedcat and co, too. when i say it's a sad story this is what i mean. 490366;1391868106;Vexual;theres noone here its proaby still there 490367;1391868142;ThickAsThieves;it may be time to ignore vexual 490368;1391868153;herbijudlestoids;hes ok 490369;1391868153;Vexual;bitch 490370;1391868161;herbijudlestoids;its saturday night here ThickAsThieves :) 490371;1391868163;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/jpBRyxc.gif 490372;1391868165;ThickAsThieves;ah 490373;1391868166;ThickAsThieves;hehe 490374;1391868168;mircea_popescu;that is vexual on the right there 490375;1391868185;Vexual;tat i wont hold it afainst you 490376;1391868185;ThickAsThieves;lol 490377;1391868202;ThickAsThieves;your language is foreign to me vex 490378;1391868208;herbijudlestoids;more specifically, its 1am on a sat night 490379;1391868216;ThickAsThieves;it's 9am here 490380;1391868242;Vexual;its also not melbourne time here herbi 490381;1391868252;herbijudlestoids;think im gonna chuck some food in the oven, bbs 490382;1391868291;Vexual;yeah tat, i put stem cells into germans with no effect 490383;1391868299;ThickAsThieves;i heard 490384;1391868300;ThickAsThieves;mp 490385;1391868304;ThickAsThieves;youre gonna love this 490386;1391868307;ThickAsThieves;http://qz.com/174757/bitcoin-company-offers-stock-denominated-in-bitcoin/ 490387;1391868308;ozbot;Bitcoin company offers stock denominated in bitcoin – Quartz 490388;1391868314;mircea_popescu;lol derp. 490389;1391868326;ThickAsThieves;from your friends at quartz! 490390;1391868343;mircea_popescu;actually from the same fuckwit 490391;1391868358;mircea_popescu;this is what we're reduced to : i tell him on twitter to get over himself, he's no longer in highschool 490392;1391868370;Vexual;people go back and read vex logs and come up with stuff like divesify 490393;1391868370;mircea_popescu;he proceeds to try and prove to the world that no, i am wrong. indeed he is in hs. 490394;1391868386;Vexual;ha? 490395;1391868391;Vexual;hs? 490396;1391868400;ThickAsThieves;high school 490397;1391868409;mircea_popescu;Vexual that place where the government pays for kids airs. 490398;1391868414;Vexual;oh, lik etokyo? 490399;1391868423;ThickAsThieves;"“Eventually Bitcoin Kinetics will become a Decentralized Autonomous Organization run completely by smart contracts, 3D printers & shipping centers, making it run on its own." 490400;1391868441;ThickAsThieves;Decentralized Autonomous Organization 490401;1391868443;ThickAsThieves;Decentralized Autonomous Organization 490402;1391868448;mircea_popescu;welcome to 2011, we needed glbse. 490403;1391868455;ThickAsThieves;wtf 490404;1391868466;Vexual;ylang ylang 490405;1391868468;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves they mean "mpex" and don't know how to say it. 490406;1391868477;mircea_popescu;seeing how this has been going on for years already. 490407;1391868485;Vexual;apex and alc 490408;1391868505;ThickAsThieves;why did they just like, throw in 3D printers into that statement 490409;1391868506;ThickAsThieves;wtf 490410;1391868510;herbijudlestoids;HAHA 490411;1391868512;herbijudlestoids;3d printers 490412;1391868514;mircea_popescu;because words. 490413;1391868524;mircea_popescu;this is what the periphery does : words. 490414;1391868527;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: teh futyah 490415;1391868528;mircea_popescu;they wanna be just like nyc. 490416;1391868553;Vexual;lab 490417;1391868561;mircea_popescu;they can't be trusted with defining what being nyc actually means, but they can be trusted to implement a very broken, ridiculous version of what they heard it may be like. 490418;1391868586;ThickAsThieves;Xerox should take over 3d printer market while they can 490419;1391868595;ThickAsThieves;start selling as necessary to business 490420;1391868596;mircea_popescu;they can't. 490421;1391868604;mircea_popescu;the 3d printer market is composed of no market. 490422;1391868611;ThickAsThieves;but business! 490423;1391868619;Vexual;when thers a 3d pixma ill but iy 490424;1391868623;herbijudlestoids;seems quite useful for prosthetics and things like that 490425;1391868627;mircea_popescu;yeah but it's more the hopes and aspirations of a bunch of nuts and the creative effort of some geeks. 490426;1391868632;wao-ender;I think 3d printer market is already divided. 490427;1391868634;mircea_popescu;too meristem-y for business yet. 490428;1391868640;wao-ender;Bigger part is owned by Stratasys 490429;1391868649;Vexual;hp gave me herpes 490430;1391868661;ThickAsThieves;yknow it really would suit xerox though 490431;1391868669;mircea_popescu;wao-ender the trick in this discussion is the hidden axiom that "a bunch of people buying and selling isn't necessarily a market" 490432;1391868671;Vexual;pew pew pew 490433;1391868680;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves maybe, on the hardware part of things, 490434;1391868689;wao-ender;ah, I didnt read whole discuss, sry 490435;1391868695;mircea_popescu;but in general concepts pose the larger problem. if they did try to take it they may end up doing something idiotic 490436;1391868704;mircea_popescu;like i dunno, spending all their money on facebook ads. 490437;1391868726;ThickAsThieves;also xerox has spent a long time becoming a sales and repair company 490438;1391868728;mircea_popescu;cause of conceptual confusion engendered by the "market" 490439;1391868730;ThickAsThieves;new tech not so much 490440;1391868736;mircea_popescu;exactly. 490441;1391868751;Vexual;imagine being a xerox texh 490442;1391868754;mircea_popescu;cost more to explain to xerox employees wtf this is supposed to be than to just make a new xerox. 490443;1391868763;Vexual;treporno 490444;1391868766;ThickAsThieves;i was never a xerox tech, but something very close 490445;1391868773;Vexual;pool cleaner? 490446;1391868776;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha 490447;1391868780;ThickAsThieves;i did repair my own xerox on several occassions 490448;1391868789;ThickAsThieves;ESTAT machines 490449;1391868794;mircea_popescu;you should have ignored him when you could. now you're stuck 490450;1391868795;herbijudlestoids;whats that ThickAsThieves? 490451;1391868801;Vexual;i would fix the fuck outta those laser printers 490452;1391868829;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves their health monitor thing ? 490453;1391868834;ThickAsThieves;they are these large format printers that use static (sorta like a xerox) to pattern a coated paper 490454;1391868845;ThickAsThieves;the paper runs a few inches away from ink wells 490455;1391868850;ThickAsThieves;the ink sticks to the paper 490456;1391868858;mircea_popescu;o 490457;1391868863;ThickAsThieves;then you run the paper with fabric into a rolling heat press 490458;1391868873;ThickAsThieves;to dye sublimate 490459;1391868896;ThickAsThieves;the machines never run perfectly 490460;1391868900;ThickAsThieves;cuz humidity etc 490461;1391868915;ThickAsThieves;but the prints are quite nice 490462;1391868926;ThickAsThieves;i dont think they are in use anymore 490463;1391868946;ThickAsThieves;people use inkjets to same purpose 490464;1391868981;herbijudlestoids;watch out we got a fuckin printing nerd over here :P 490465;1391869029;herbijudlestoids;so what were you using it for ThickAsThieves? tshirts or banners or something? 490466;1391869030;mircea_popescu;nubbins is the same way. 490467;1391869040;ThickAsThieves;tension fabric structures 490468;1391869045;herbijudlestoids;wutsat 490469;1391869060;Vexual;tshirts 490470;1391869072;ThickAsThieves;https://www.google.com/search?q=tension+fabric+structures&espv=210&es_sm=122&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=eDz2Uu-OIKqysQShg4H4Dg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1706&bih=876 490471;1391869082;herbijudlestoids;ah yea 490472;1391869093;mircea_popescu;o wait. you're the guy that can make us the mesh dome anti-hypersonic-missile defense. 490473;1391869097;ThickAsThieves;it's where i learned that geometry was useful too 490474;1391869105;ThickAsThieves;hehe 490475;1391869106;Vexual;big pecks 490476;1391869151;mircea_popescu;jesus. so i go check trilema awstats. i find out that TO THIS DAY my 2nd most read article is a 2012 romanian language guide for women as to how you suck cock. 490477;1391869156;Vexual;mp do you actually have a haerum, or is that a joke about the slaves email? 490478;1391869162;herbijudlestoids;lellll 490479;1391869173;mircea_popescu;that thing is never going away. "mp ? what, bitcoin, whatever ? nah, this guy is famous because that one time he wrote a cocksucking guide" 490480;1391869184;mircea_popescu;Vexual i keep slaves. 490481;1391869199;Vexual;my brain 490482;1391869221;herbijudlestoids;well the target audience is slightly larger mp, between 50% of the romanian population who are potentially interested (+ gay guys) versus what...0.5% of global pop interested in bitcoin? 490483;1391869247;ThickAsThieves;i bet straight guys visit the page more than anyone 490484;1391869250;mircea_popescu;so then .5 * 20 / .005 * 10000 490485;1391869252;mircea_popescu;seems to me... 490486;1391869333;herbijudlestoids;maybe 0.5% is too much, thats 30 million people, you took me literally sir 490487;1391869352;mircea_popescu;well, if you model the same way it's 50% vs 100% 490488;1391869364;mircea_popescu;because all people are interested in bitcoin the way all women are interested in sucking it. 490489;1391869382;ThickAsThieves;"We have received positive reply from Havelock and an application form. Business plan is under development." 490490;1391869382;Vexual;i do some handy rope work 490491;1391869392;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i guess that sums it up. 490492;1391869400;ThickAsThieves;lol 490493;1391869414;ThickAsThieves;IPO first, questions later 490494;1391869415;mircea_popescu;it's remarkable how little people understand of what they're actually saying. 490495;1391869422;mircea_popescu;it's almost as if they have no business training at all. 490496;1391869435;mircea_popescu;kramerica industries ftw! 490497;1391869440;ThickAsThieves;training, they havent left the house 490498;1391869465;Vexual;ill invert some braid like it was made like that 490499;1391869466;mircea_popescu;that's ambiguous. do you mean as in otaku or do you mean as in, still being underage. 490500;1391869482;herbijudlestoids;a solitary man with a messy apartment which may or may not contain a chicken 490501;1391869486;ThickAsThieves;i mean they havent done drugs and been in a porno 490502;1391869488;mircea_popescu;Vexual you know there's a lot of aussie chicks into being roped up. 490503;1391869496;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves ahahaha win. 490504;1391869504;Vexual;yeah they don't pay for good ropework 490505;1391869505;mircea_popescu;they could all call themselves buck naked 490506;1391869518;mircea_popescu;and then we could have buck naked does X obscure town in kanuckistan, volume 75984576985 490507;1391869528;herbijudlestoids;buck in kanuck 490508;1391869532;mircea_popescu;Vexual maybe they pay in kind. 490509;1391869564;Vexual;i mainly do boats 490510;1391869576;mircea_popescu;vexual's crochet yacht ? 490511;1391869581;ThickAsThieves;so blockr.io won't host an ATC block explorer, yet 490512;1391869581;mircea_popescu;(all new material) ? 490513;1391869588;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves says who ? 490514;1391869594;Vexual;yes, i can read japanese too 490515;1391869595;ThickAsThieves;the staff 490516;1391869602;mircea_popescu;meh. 490517;1391869603;herbijudlestoids;porncoin 490518;1391869605;herbijudlestoids;boobcoin 490519;1391869609;ThickAsThieves;"I'm not familiar how coinmarketcap.com works but I was certain I'd find you there. Did you not request to be added there? 490520;1391869610;ThickAsThieves;" 490521;1391869610;herbijudlestoids;ghmm, nope 490522;1391869611;ThickAsThieves;also 490523;1391869629;ThickAsThieves;"Unfortunatelly that's almost all that we've done. And there's so much more we want to do with blockr. So we made a decision to stop adding new coins for some time." 490524;1391869632;Vexual;pictures and shit 490525;1391869650;ThickAsThieves;"We'll add new features to blockr and then we'll proceed with second phase of adding coins. Blockr is modular and ATC doesn't seem to be problematic to add. We'll make a public announcement when phase II starts." 490526;1391869676;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves sounds to me like you got support. give it a few. 490527;1391869683;Vexual;if you want the real alt you dont wanna be in every marketplace 490528;1391869722;ThickAsThieves;yeah no need to force it 490529;1391869729;ThickAsThieves;just putting it out there 490530;1391869742;ThickAsThieves;an explorer will be nice 490531;1391869752;Vexual;got a server? 490532;1391869770;ThickAsThieves;a couple 490533;1391869785;Vexual;i cant afford underpants 490534;1391869789;mircea_popescu;Perlboy bugpowder went and explained it to people on the forum ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=jvs9l9mqvr6d3hnql5bfs445b1&topic=449354.msg4959357#msg4959357 ) and it has been discussed here in public plus a bunch of kids with blogs wanted to "interview" me or w/e. 490535;1391869792;herbijudlestoids;Vexual: ill host your underpants 490536;1391869810;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: whats the link for altcoin again? 490537;1391869816;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves was blockchain.info os ? 490538;1391869857;ThickAsThieves;www.therealaltcoin.org 490539;1391869863;ThickAsThieves;the source is in the forum link 490540;1391869876;ThickAsThieves;os? 490541;1391869891;herbijudlestoids;open source 490542;1391869893;Perlboy;mircea_popescu, appreciate the answer so thanks. So in summary someone gambled the price would goto 4000->5000 by end of February? 490543;1391869895;ThickAsThieves;oh 490544;1391869897;ThickAsThieves;i doubt it 490545;1391869910;ThickAsThieves;ill dig 490546;1391869913;kakobrekla;tat blockr will add atc 490547;1391869914;mircea_popescu;Perlboy nah, it's a lot finer than that. basically gambled price will go up 490548;1391869919;Perlboy;cause that's the way bugpowders response read. 490549;1391869920;mircea_popescu;magically THE NEXT FUCKING DAY the price went down 490550;1391869967;mircea_popescu;Perlboy naked puts work like this : you make money by the price rising up to your strike. so in the 800-5k per interval, the puts slowly made money for the seller. 490551;1391869969;herbijudlestoids;Perlboy: i tried to explain it to nubbins yesterday (in depth) if you wanna look through the logs 490552;1391869974;mircea_popescu;obviously in the 0-800 interval they lose money. 490553;1391869981;ThickAsThieves; tat blockr will add atc --- you know them? 490554;1391869988;kakobrekla;ThickAsThieves , i talked to mah bois after you got dumped 490555;1391869993;ThickAsThieves;word 490556;1391869998;Perlboy;herbijudlestoids, yep k, will grep 490557;1391870009;herbijudlestoids;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2014#486309 490558;1391870012;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 490559;1391870013;Perlboy;mircea_popescu, let me go log read rather than waste more of your time.. 490560;1391870014;Vexual;tat you're doing it wrong 490561;1391870016;ThickAsThieves;i need to fire up my wot again, it's been a long time 490562;1391870017;Perlboy;:) 490563;1391870018;mircea_popescu;someone needs to dig up mpoe-pr's old posts 490564;1391870028;mircea_popescu;she included graphs for womenz and other visual thinkers. 490565;1391870032;mircea_popescu;i think they help a lot, personally. 490566;1391870051;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: you can just google short put to see the payoff graphs for it ;) 490567;1391870071;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl83mI69nX4 490568;1391870071;mircea_popescu;oh. yeah, in retrospect, she did graphs for the mining diff complex hedge thing, not for this. 490569;1391870072;ozbot;Lupe Fiasco - Kick Push (Video) (Album Version) - YouTube 490570;1391870073;mircea_popescu;nm. 490571;1391870117;Vexual;price it like hydro 490572;1391870128;Vexual;water 490573;1391870194;herbijudlestoids;ok foods ready, imma go back to my movie, hope the explanation doesnt burn your eyes Perlboy 490574;1391870214;Perlboy;herbijudlestoids, hehe, it did a little bit but i'll read it again tomorrow 490575;1391870222;Vexual;what u watching finserv? 490576;1391870240;Perlboy;for me i'm just trying to understand the instrument, definitely the most complex i've seen in btc space 490577;1391870281;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52 = 1.56 BTC [-] 490578;1391870286;Vexual;which instrument? 490579;1391870313;herbijudlestoids;those short puts everyone is gibbering about 490580;1391870403;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [-] 490581;1391870492;Vexual;herbi what movie? 490582;1391870517;herbijudlestoids;donnie brasco 490583;1391870518;Perlboy;Vexual, assbot puts 490584;1391870519;Perlboy;:) 490585;1391870586;Vexual;never herd that sentece before old man 490586;1391870742;ThickAsThieves;worst web design ever https://www.coins-e.com/ 490587;1391870749;ThickAsThieves;dat grid 490588;1391870760;ThickAsThieves;stare at it for a minute then try seeing 490589;1391870778;Vexual;who ate my sushi? 490590;1391870819;Vexual;i havent seen a human for a month 490591;1391870848;ThickAsThieves;are any of these altcoin exchanges from someone trustworthy? 490592;1391870854;Vexual;anyone got an ameail for belushi? 490593;1391870874;ThickAsThieves;;;google belushi email address 490594;1391870875;gribble;The Jim Belushi Website: ; Jim Belushi (JimBelushi) on Twitter: ; Windy City Native Jim Belushi's Newest Role: Chicago Bears Fan In ...: 490595;1391870944;Vexual;you need an atc btc exchange 490596;1391870989;kakobrekla;i had one coded 490597;1391870990;ThickAsThieves;yes, but i feel dirty telling people to go to these sites 490598;1391870991;Vexual;cant call it the altcoin zand hope for cryptsy 490599;1391870996;kakobrekla;if onle i could find sauce 490600;1391871037;ThickAsThieves;let's get listed on mcxnow so everyone can get robbed! no thanks 490601;1391871225;wao-ender;:D 490602;1391871379;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.51603 = 5.1603 BTC [-] {9} 490603;1391871501;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0705 = 0.141 BTC [+] {2} 490604;1391871514;Vexual;theyre taken the salami 490605;1391871560;ThickAsThieves;everywhere they go 490606;1391871623;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.516 = 1.032 BTC [-] 490607;1391871624;Vexual;im devestated 490608;1391871666;herbijudlestoids;lost yer beer again? 490609;1391871700;Vexual;noome ghost hoas been in my fridge and just left the cheeze 490610;1391871728;mircea_popescu; yes, but i feel dirty telling people to go to these sites << this is a problem. 490611;1391871733;mircea_popescu;tho, let them learn to otc. 490612;1391871738;Vexual;its nit even an internet fridge 490613;1391871743;mircea_popescu;not like everyone has to have alt nao. 490614;1391871897;ThickAsThieves;;;gettrust Apocalyptc 490615;1391871898;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user Apocalyptc: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=Apocalyptc | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Apocalyptc | Rated since: never 490616;1391871921;ThickAsThieves;;;gettrust Apocalyptic 490617;1391871922;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask Apocalyptic!~Apocalypt@unaffiliated/apocalyptic. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user Apocalyptic: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=Apocalyptic | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Apocalyptic | Rated since: Mon Jul 15 09:32:50 2013 490618;1391872172;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.07225 = 0.289 BTC [+] {2} 490619;1391872294;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [+] 490620;1391872416;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 490621;1391872477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.000107 = 0.535 BTC [-] 490622;1391872843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.000107 = 0.535 BTC [-] 490623;1391873209;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.131 = 1.31 BTC [+] {3} 490624;1391873271;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 490625;1391873331;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.131 BTC [+] 490626;1391873392;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.13 = 0.26 BTC [-] 490627;1391873393;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06700001 = 0.201 BTC [-] 490628;1391873880;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.131 BTC [+] 490629;1391874063;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC 490630;1391875013;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/on-periphery-and-the-peripheral-ephemerides-are-also-mentioned/ 490631;1391875017;ozbot;On periphery and the peripheral. Ephemerides are also mentioned. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Pope 490632;1391875022;mircea_popescu;pretty much the earlier log, with ample commentary 490633;1391875028;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids gets it pretty bad :D 490634;1391875370;kakobrekla;give him some time, he is new 490635;1391875384;Duffer1;It’s just that you’re new here and haven’t gone through the training process.vi 490636;1391875393;Duffer1;>.< 490637;1391875406;Duffer1;better to learn before than after 490638;1391875437;kakobrekla;ah right, i commented just the comments havent read through 490639;1391875489;Duffer1;oh i was referring to the training process footnote hehe 490640;1391875832;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.51503333 = 1.5451 BTC [-] {3} 490641;1391875855;FabianB;;;bc,stats 490642;1391875858;gribble;Current Blocks: 284821 | Current Difficulty: 2.6214044530646152E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 286271 | Next Difficulty In: 1450 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 3 hours, 30 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3056142038.47 | Estimated Percent Change: 16.58415 490643;1391875893;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51000121 BTC [-] 490644;1391876076;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.IDIFF.MAR] 60 @ 0.0030425 = 0.1826 BTC [-] {4} 490645;1391876126;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: if that's me "getting it bad" then im happy to get it so, i prefer the discussion, or at the very minimum to be able to hear and consider new viewpoints 490646;1391876500;Duffer1;read footnote xiii 490647;1391876515;Duffer1;i would call that getting it bad 490648;1391876552;herbijudlestoids;lol im craig wood now? 490649;1391876554;herbijudlestoids;who is craig wood? 490650;1391876565;Duffer1;ciphermine/ciphertrade "ceo" 490651;1391876587;Duffer1;MtF trans 490652;1391876591;herbijudlestoids;ok...so whats that to do with me? 490653;1391876612;herbijudlestoids;that bit of the conversation was with ThickAsThieves? 490654;1391876616;Duffer1;oh i didn't mean to imply it did 490655;1391876632;Duffer1;just an example of someone that "got it bad" 490656;1391876671;Duffer1;does that make sense? 490657;1391876686;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 249 @ 0.00086877 = 0.2163 BTC [+] {6} 490658;1391876762;herbijudlestoids;hehe i guess so. i feel like im getting what i want out of conversations (mostly) on this chan, so happy for it to be blogged or whatever 490659;1391876790;Duffer1;hang around. learn much. wow 490660;1391876808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.00085468 = 30.2557 BTC [-] 490661;1391876851;herbijudlestoids;Duffer1: i keep in contact with my ex boss...showed him some of the logs from this chan, he said and i quote "sounds like youve finally found some people who can keep you occupied" 490662;1391876873;Diablo-D3;oh snap, you got told 490663;1391876873;Duffer1;hehe 490664;1391876930;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.07033333 = 0.211 BTC [+] {2} 490665;1391876931;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids that's what sane people say. 490666;1391876957;herbijudlestoids;Diablo-D3: did i? lol i was in the conversation, was there a facet of me getting told that i missed 490667;1391876989;Diablo-D3;herbijudlestoids: you got told. pretty sure. 490668;1391876996;herbijudlestoids;haha ok, maybe i missed something 490669;1391877051;mircea_popescu;anyway. i love you all! 490670;1391877059;Diablo-D3;no you dont 490671;1391877104;kakobrekla;and you still want mp to take lsd 490672;1391877114;herbijudlestoids;the message i took away was that theres no real reason to change from the existing WoT, which i assumed wasnt distributed, because ThickAsThieves said he wanted a more distributedy WoT 490673;1391877143;herbijudlestoids;kakobrekla: well itd certainly make conversations about why people might try it a little easier 490674;1391877169;mircea_popescu;lol 490675;1391877203;herbijudlestoids;but no i dont necessarily want him to try it, i dont have some kind of dogma where everyone should try drugs or whatever 490676;1391877272;asciilifeform;did someone actually explain how one might build a working 'distributed wot' or merely insisted that it must be done? 490677;1391877295;herbijudlestoids;yea, i was proposing some things before mircea_popescu showed up, his log only starts from there 490678;1391877304;herbijudlestoids;nothing especially genius 490679;1391877311;Diablo-D3;asciilifeform: the easy way is to just use pgp ;) 490680;1391877345;herbijudlestoids;asciilifeform: but it sounds like the existing WoT is already distributable 490681;1391877367;Diablo-D3;wotcoin 490682;1391877368;Diablo-D3;lulz 490683;1391877395;asciilifeform;distributable != distributed 490684;1391877432;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not a trivial problem, a distributed wot. 490685;1391877447;Diablo-D3;actually, it kind of is a trivial problem 490686;1391877452;Diablo-D3;you're just stating the problem wrong 490687;1391877459;mircea_popescu;a trusted wot so far wins on practical grounds. not that i think it's a bad idea a proper distributed implementation should be made 490688;1391877465;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: certainly not. which is why i was somewhat surprised to hear of it 490689;1391877467;mircea_popescu;in fact afaik that's what nanotube's been working on 490690;1391877503;mircea_popescu;the only thing is... it has to be done well, as opposed to just done so someone can go to conferences herpderping about 3d printed wots 490691;1391877581;asciilifeform;the 'trivial solution' would be, somewhat obviously: everybody pgp-signs all wot ops, and people simply mirror the results 490692;1391877591;mircea_popescu;cybil 490693;1391877594;asciilifeform;(anyone can download the history and re-tally the scores.) 490694;1391877616;asciilifeform;the wot as we have it now is perfectly sybil-able 490695;1391877639;asciilifeform;hence the precaution, explained to all newcomers, of ignoring absolute scores and looking at the 'who' 490696;1391877653;herbijudlestoids;asciilifeform: from what i understand the existing each "centralised" WoT can talk to other WoTs, and assign trust to them http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014#490339 490697;1391877662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1598 @ 0.00085468 = 1.3658 BTC [-] 490698;1391877666;mircea_popescu;yes, but, sy1's rating of sy2 does not carry my signature 490699;1391877674;mircea_popescu;and i wouldn't want to pgp sign it either 490700;1391877734;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids well, technically, they'd have to talk to it, but yes. 490701;1391877774;herbijudlestoids;they? it? 490702;1391877787;mircea_popescu;they = other wots ; it = this wot. 490703;1391877800;herbijudlestoids;yea, yep 490704;1391877807;herbijudlestoids;thats the way im visualising it in my head now 490705;1391877813;herbijudlestoids;multiple connected "small worlds" 490706;1391877820;mircea_popescu;sounds like a winner, really. 490707;1391877824;herbijudlestoids;^ 490708;1391877835;herbijudlestoids;from what you said earlier, i assumed its possible already without any additoinal code 490709;1391877837;mircea_popescu;much better to have decentralised city-states run by one man 490710;1391877839;herbijudlestoids;did i misunderstand? 490711;1391877849;mircea_popescu;than to have either world empire run by one man or world bureaucracy 490712;1391877866;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids well, the aditional code would be they need to talk to gribble. 490713;1391877870;mircea_popescu;the code is already written tho. 490714;1391877906;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12660001 BTC [-] 490715;1391877907;herbijudlestoids;right...so yea... 490716;1391877930;mircea_popescu;yeah. 490717;1391877942;mircea_popescu;it's fargo two and they'll shoot it all in la... 490718;1391878010;herbijudlestoids;asciilifeform: so, yea? yea. 490719;1391878028;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12500001 BTC [-] 490720;1391878055;herbijudlestoids;so gribble is officially the -otc bot right, not the -assets bot? 490721;1391878068;mircea_popescu;assbot is the assets bot run by kakobrekla. 490722;1391878079;mircea_popescu;gribble is the bitcoin bot, run by nanotube, who's been kind enough to add it here. 490723;1391878090;mircea_popescu;ozbot i think is scrat's ? or who run that ? 490724;1391878102;mircea_popescu;and mpexbot is run by smickles 490725;1391878122;assbot; dude, i run kakobrekla. 490726;1391878128;mircea_popescu;that too. 490727;1391878141;herbijudlestoids;but only gribble is the arbiter for WoT right? like gribble connects to same backend as -otc website? 490728;1391878148;mircea_popescu;yes. 490729;1391878182;mircea_popescu;it's a good interface because freenode is ddos resistent 490730;1391878199;mircea_popescu;and irc bots are really not that hard to talk to 490731;1391878234;ThickAsThieves;jezzz runs ozbot 490732;1391878234;herbijudlestoids;so lets say i want to run ozWoT, for cool oz kids like myself, and i clone the code off github (or wherever it lives) and setup my own gribblesque bot, users talking to my bot should be able to rate users through gribble and vice versa 490733;1391878252;mircea_popescu;vice versa i doubt 490734;1391878266;mircea_popescu;but i guess if you keep cloning the wot you may display more or less in sync results independently 490735;1391878272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.0008553 = 19.2443 BTC [+] 490736;1391878273;herbijudlestoids;so all the extra bots are periphery 490737;1391878280;mircea_popescu;course it's... "independently" 490738;1391878351;herbijudlestoids;so if the -otc WoT goes down, then users of my WoT can still rate other users in the same web, and interrogate the local cache of the -otc WoT, but they cant push ratings around the graph (outside the local WoT) 490739;1391878365;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids gribble will see an "ozwot" guy, and that "ozwot" guy will be rating people in wot 490740;1391878387;mircea_popescu;and wot users who actually wish to rate people in ozwot would talk to ozbot 490741;1391878388;herbijudlestoids;right right, ok so gribble can at best assign trust to the ozwot guy rather than individuals within 490742;1391878402;mircea_popescu;it wouldn't particularly assign trust to the gateway 490743;1391878417;mircea_popescu;no reason you want that, really, i know it's a gateway, woting it is meaningless. 490744;1391878425;mircea_popescu;(look at gribble's own rating, or 490745;1391878426;herbijudlestoids;right 490746;1391878427;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust paypal 490747;1391878428;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user paypal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -2 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=paypal | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=paypal | Rated since: Sat Aug 25 19:56:10 2012 490748;1391878469;mircea_popescu;then once enough people actually want to rate someone in ozwot they'll keep bitching at nanotube who will eventually add a back flow. 490749;1391878469;herbijudlestoids;so users of ozwot can query both local and -otc wot members (and any others in the list i guess), but gribble users have to query two WoTs to get the same coverage 490750;1391878477;mircea_popescu;or else he won't, and if the people hate it enough wot will die out 490751;1391878479;mircea_popescu;all natural. 490752;1391878491;herbijudlestoids;yea, seems ok to me... 490753;1391878508;mircea_popescu;the only drawback is that it's not instantaneous, which makes it "unrevolutionary" 490754;1391878512;mircea_popescu;which in turn makes it great. 490755;1391878516;herbijudlestoids;i mean as a method of distributing the WoT 490756;1391878521;mircea_popescu;myeah. 490757;1391878603;herbijudlestoids;i downloaded a chinese gangster movie but it has no subtitles :( 490758;1391878620;ThickAsThieves;pop in The Wall? 490759;1391878629;herbijudlestoids;i dont know cantonese or mandarin either :( 490760;1391878701;Duffer1;lol TaT 490761;1391878703;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: hmmm though ok... "ozwot guy" cant rate users through gribble unless it has a rating... 490762;1391878724;ThickAsThieves;as far as the wot distribution problem, i think i have an idea, outside services that integrate with it 490763;1391878736;ThickAsThieves;like, a social media site 490764;1391878741;ThickAsThieves;wotbook 490765;1391878742;ThickAsThieves;or such 490766;1391878759;ThickAsThieves;some way to get interfaces and easy use 490767;1391878760;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.93429002 BTC to 974 shares, 95923 satoshi per share 490768;1391878785;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: so hax elgg to query gribble 490769;1391878790;herbijudlestoids;and then host that elgg 490770;1391878800;ThickAsThieves;asking the wrong guy 490771;1391878839;herbijudlestoids;shit 4am 490772;1391878914;ThickAsThieves;people would probably eat up a wotbook right now, could even kill bitcointalk 490773;1391878929;ThickAsThieves;cuz community and being a part of something 490774;1391879018;Duffer1;that's quite an interesting idea 490775;1391879066;herbijudlestoids;the problem is do people in the wot want to "socialise" 490776;1391879118;ThickAsThieves;no 490777;1391879120;herbijudlestoids;like if i bought some BTC off you one time and rated you, now youre in my wotbook feed? 490778;1391879124;ThickAsThieves;thats not the problem at all 490779;1391879126;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.0008553 = 1.6251 BTC [+] 490780;1391879129;ThickAsThieves;so opposite 490781;1391879151;ThickAsThieves;this isnt about trying to get people who already use wot to use wot 490782;1391879171;herbijudlestoids;right now the WoT is based on business transactions, youre proposing something where people just build a social graph 490783;1391879211;ThickAsThieves;well, a reputation ledger 490784;1391879220;ThickAsThieves;an identity 490785;1391879221;herbijudlestoids;so, not wotbook then 490786;1391879238;ThickAsThieves;well depends which part of the idea you mean 490787;1391879244;herbijudlestoids;the existing WoT is a reputation ledger. 490788;1391879247;ThickAsThieves;wotbook was to help distibution 490789;1391879268;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids yes but all it needs is a 1 490790;1391879293;herbijudlestoids;it? 490791;1391879310;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves the drivers of btctalk are scamming and derping. 490792;1391879348;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids dude you highlighted me first! 490793;1391879364;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: ah right, yep 490794;1391879368;mircea_popescu;yeah. 490795;1391879370;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.003081 = 0.1479 BTC [+] 490796;1391879384;mircea_popescu;#bitcoin-fargochannel 490797;1391879396;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: what im trying to say is, if the reputation ledge is built on the back of wotbook then its just a social graph. 490798;1391879411;herbijudlestoids;i vote my mate joe up because hes my mate joe! 490799;1391879415;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids you read mpoe-pr's post re wot and how to use it ? 490800;1391879426;herbijudlestoids;not because joe delivered 100 BTC to me successfully 490801;1391879437;mircea_popescu;sounds like btctalk alright. 490802;1391879438;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: nope havent...i got a WoT account and messed with gribble on it already 490803;1391879462;ThickAsThieves;i vote my mate joe up because hes my mate joe! --- this person will get rep with people that value that 490804;1391879507;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: i think the reputation ledger has value specifically because its business transactions 490805;1391879508;ThickAsThieves;you cant start discerning between which ratings are meaningful or not yourself, thats the whole point of the damn system 490806;1391879516;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110861.msg1227871#msg1227871 490807;1391879518;mircea_popescu;there you go. 490808;1391879519;ozbot;Reputation system? 490809;1391879552;ThickAsThieves;solve the problems independently, as in 490810;1391879553;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.52995492 = 2.1198 BTC [+] {3} 490811;1391879567;ThickAsThieves;okay you wanna discern business trust from social trust? 490812;1391879574;ThickAsThieves;let people categorize 490813;1391879576;herbijudlestoids;just got this sms: NOTICE: your mobile no. has been singled out for a claim of 800,00GBP from Android Mobile UK contact us on androiduk@live.co.uk for more 490814;1391879596;herbijudlestoids;im gonna be rich, so long suckers! 490815;1391879613;mircea_popescu;cya 490816;1391879639;Duffer1;isn't @live the microsoft system? 490817;1391879649;Duffer1;xbox etc.. 490818;1391879669;mircea_popescu;nm that. 490819;1391879702;herbijudlestoids;lel 490820;1391879725;herbijudlestoids;Duffer1: also i live in australia and dont own an android mobile? 490821;1391879739;Duffer1;sounds legit 490822;1391879739;mircea_popescu;australia is part of the uk no ? 490823;1391879744;herbijudlestoids;har 490824;1391879754;mircea_popescu;you got the queen and everything dontcha ? 490825;1391879759;herbijudlestoids;yea 490826;1391879761;mircea_popescu;so then. 490827;1391879763;herbijudlestoids;we still a commonwealth 490828;1391879771;mircea_popescu;that;s what they told you. 490829;1391879777;mircea_popescu;you're living in a dictatorship 490830;1391879789;herbijudlestoids;dont take it literally, its just what they call it 490831;1391879806;ThickAsThieves;https://nobs.is i made an account for the hell of it 490832;1391879808;ozbot;NOBS - Cryptocurrency Social Network - The Global Village 490833;1391879809;mircea_popescu;a self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes 490834;1391879811;ThickAsThieves;waiting for admin approval 490835;1391879813;herbijudlestoids;like Great Britain..is it really so great? 490836;1391879841;ThickAsThieves;only working site i found claiming to be social network for crypto 490837;1391879844;ThickAsThieves;whatever that means 490838;1391879858;mircea_popescu;dear channel, allow me to recount my sad story. 490839;1391879888;mircea_popescu;it is a story of hope, blogging and unbridled enthusiasm, in which I, a crookeyed optimist, tried to use my five year old heavily modified wordpress installation to post things. 490840;1391879907;mircea_popescu;part and parcel of this being showing the people tits. until one day! 490841;1391879931;mircea_popescu;for one day, when i went to add a new pair of tits, the "insert image" button simply redirected me to a random page of my blog 490842;1391879949;mircea_popescu;instead of taking me back to the publishing box with the pre-prepared html code referencing the image 490843;1391879952;mircea_popescu;and i was mighty sad 490844;1391879953;mircea_popescu;and i cursed 490845;1391879955;mircea_popescu;and swore 490846;1391879972;mircea_popescu;and made the poor unfortunate junior dev read my entire installantion, in spite of it not having been modified, to find wtf 490847;1391879979;mircea_popescu;and then made a junior sysadmin look through the logs 490848;1391879986;mircea_popescu;and they found nothing and i was livid with fury 490849;1391879990;mircea_popescu;and i broke a keyboard into pieces 490850;1391880006;mircea_popescu;because motherfucking god almighty if it works today and it doesn't work tomorrow i wish the world entire to burn. 490851;1391880017;mircea_popescu;and so they wrote me a thing to go around it. 490852;1391880028;mircea_popescu;a month later, i couldn't connect to my blog. like at all. 490853;1391880034;mircea_popescu;and i was in the middle of the posting. 490854;1391880038;mircea_popescu;which made me furious. 490855;1391880046;mircea_popescu;but then people were wtf are you about, i see it 490856;1391880060;mircea_popescu;and lo and behold! for i saw with mine owne eyes downforeveryone saying lelz at me 490857;1391880082;mircea_popescu;so then i screamed obscenities in a lengthy single breath of fifty eight minutes 490858;1391880099;mircea_popescu;and eventually we discovere dthe newly installed mod_security comes with rules now. 490859;1391880110;mircea_popescu;which rules block fucking wordpress from injecting itself with itself 490860;1391880113;mircea_popescu;which is how it works 490861;1391880115;mircea_popescu;also joomla 490862;1391880118;mircea_popescu;because security 490863;1391880125;mircea_popescu;and because updates 490864;1391880132;mircea_popescu;and because damn it all to hell WHAT IS THIS! 490865;1391880144;mircea_popescu;~ fin ~ 490866;1391880151;herbijudlestoids;lelel 490867;1391880199;ThickAsThieves;so do you still use wordpress? 490868;1391880203;mircea_popescu;yes. 490869;1391880208;assbot;Last 60 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1593008/plain/) 490870;1391880208;kakobrekla;!b 60 490871;1391880211;mircea_popescu;lol 490872;1391880214;ThickAsThieves;kako you beat me! 490873;1391880235;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla you of course missed all the /me stuff, which is half the value here. 490874;1391880238;Duffer1;that was a pretty good bit 490875;1391880245;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 i made it up! 490876;1391880254;kakobrekla;yeah ill fix dat 490877;1391880254;herbijudlestoids;its like teh biblez 490878;1391880258;Duffer1;the /me stuff really brought it home 490879;1391880272;kakobrekla;sathaph alrady 490880;1391880304;herbijudlestoids;this channel is as bad for my sleep habits as GTA5 was 490881;1391880314;herbijudlestoids;even vex has gone to bed 490882;1391880373;mircea_popescu;yes but vex drinks 490883;1391880373;herbijudlestoids;yea alright, this is it. goodnight gentlemenz and womanz 490884;1391880379;mircea_popescu;if you had that experience you'd sleep better. 490885;1391880468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1230 @ 0.00085771 = 1.055 BTC [+] 490886;1391880470;pankkake;"I think this coin really needs an official exchange rate" 490887;1391880503;mircea_popescu;say "no because unlike the others this is decentralised" 490888;1391880582;BingoBoingo;Apparently after I bought Altcoins at 150, the next buyer went at 180. Looks like Altcoin is growing up into a real, bubbly Altcoin. 490889;1391880623;mircea_popescu;wait so i could sell for a profeet ? 490890;1391880623;ThickAsThieves;nobody likes a skinny Santa 490891;1391880632;pankkake;I hope so, I mined it to become rich 490892;1391880655;mircea_popescu;i didn't mine it but i bought some to be cool 490893;1391880658;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Prolly. So far the big liquidity providers are all selling though. 490894;1391880662;mircea_popescu;also to stick it to ThickAsThieves who doesn't have any 490895;1391880699;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you wish you took max keiser's advice and bought it when it was 80 don't you now! 490896;1391880701;BingoBoingo;If the Dogers push it past 1000 satoshis per I might part with my 31337 490897;1391880710;ThickAsThieves;no one will sell to me 490898;1391880711;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo weren't they freefalling from 200 ? 490899;1391880713;ThickAsThieves;even before you 490900;1391880734;kakobrekla;where are you pulling these numbers from 490901;1391880740;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves maybe if you put a shoe on head ? 490902;1391880748;ThickAsThieves;maybe 490903;1391880749;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i have a rng. 490904;1391880750;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Doge seems to be. If they can get the joke though the Doge users might start pumping Altcoin though. 490905;1391880780;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i always thought what ThickAsThieves was trying to accomplish with those coelho quotes is make it sound esl enough for the doge crowd. 490906;1391880788;kakobrekla;doesnt seem so random to me! 490907;1391880796;mircea_popescu;lies 490908;1391880797;mircea_popescu;and slander. 490909;1391880802;kakobrekla;fu 490910;1391880819;mircea_popescu;eh go make an ice cube 490911;1391880826;mircea_popescu;slovenia's new export industry. 490912;1391880840;kakobrekla;i dont need to make those, they come out when i turn on the shower 490913;1391880846;mircea_popescu;lol 490914;1391880851;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: So do I. Dogers are probably waiting for some sort of exchange-ish thing because grepping WoT and OTC is hard for them, because reading 490915;1391880871;mircea_popescu;wait, all slovene women had to wash in cold water after sex these past weeks ? 490916;1391880879;mircea_popescu;the whole... what was it, 19 of them ? 490917;1391880895;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19913 @ 0.0001465 = 2.9173 BTC [+] {11} 490918;1391880908;kakobrekla;yes, 18 now after recount 490919;1391880922;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, wouldn't it be cool to live in one of these so called countries in europe or w/e ? when they have like 50 women total 490920;1391880928;ThickAsThieves;one was named Kate? 490921;1391880935;mircea_popescu;and you don't need to ask anyone her phone number, cause they give them consecutive numbers 490922;1391880943;mircea_popescu;so you just bruteforce it, dial girl01-girl50 490923;1391880945;mircea_popescu;till you find her. 490924;1391881002;mircea_popescu;ok ppl stop dialing girlxxx 490925;1391881006;mircea_popescu;it was a joke ok ? 490926;1391881034;mircea_popescu;jesus what if it works for srs. 490927;1391881035;mircea_popescu;brb 490928;1391881063;KRS-One;http://pastebin.com/BULn0xg5 490929;1391881064;ozbot; MagicalTux the only viable option for you guys to keep customers after - Pastebin.com 490930;1391881089;kakobrekla;shit free view : http://pastebin.com/BULn0xg5 490931;1391881104;kakobrekla;hm 490932;1391881117;mircea_popescu;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=BULn0xg5 490933;1391881118;kakobrekla;dafuq 490934;1391881118;mircea_popescu;noobs. 490935;1391881139;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 91 @ 0.0055 = 0.5005 BTC 490936;1391881142;kakobrekla;something is not right 490937;1391881169;kakobrekla;dunno whaves nvm 490938;1391881174;kakobrekla;nsa prolly 490939;1391881269;mircea_popescu;self ownage more like it amirite 490940;1391881288;kakobrekla;whats with you picking on the little people 490941;1391881321;mircea_popescu;shit 490942;1391881339;mircea_popescu;you weren't supposed to notice that 490943;1391881343;mircea_popescu;i was wearing the juice! 490944;1391881364;mircea_popescu;(ref : http://www.omg-facts.com/Interesting/A-Man-Robbed-A-Bank-Wearing-Only-Lemon-J/54879 ) 490945;1391881372;BingoBoingo;Is this the real vexual? http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/02/08/sage_kotsenburg_wins_slopestyle_gold_medal_with_1620_japan_jump.html 490946;1391881567;mircea_popescu;lol good for him 490947;1391881683;mircea_popescu;05:07:57 punkman1: Scuola di Assets http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Sanzio_01.jpg << yay this. 490948;1391881715;mircea_popescu;one of the better paintings of the renaissance. all those people going "and what is THIS supposed to be then!" 490949;1391882172;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids:now obviously small fry 100GH/s is nothing but i thought it was interesting << no, it's not interesting. the reason is the problem of herding cats. 490950;1391882187;mircea_popescu;specifically, a farm made out of 5000 individual computers all different would cost more to run than to burn down 490951;1391882216;mircea_popescu;just so with a patchwork of miners, god help you if you imagine you can buy random odds and ends off ebay at a nominal profit 490952;1391882226;mircea_popescu;you'll never be able to squeeze it out operationally. 490953;1391882298;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 200 @ 0.00469 = 0.938 BTC [-] 490954;1391882303;mircea_popescu;benkay: baby doll doesn't even care terribly, and boy does she put out when she gets jealous << now you gotta photodocument this. 490955;1391882359;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] [PAID] 2.17250000 BTC to 86`900 shares, 2500 satoshi per share 490956;1391882516;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids: like the charts you can see on mpex.co already, i just dont think theyre portraying useful info << me either. what's one to do, no pics at all ?! 490957;1391882664;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.127 = 0.381 BTC [+] {3} 490958;1391882714;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids: 20% was the lowest ROC i found << unless you normalized to some absurd time interval (month ?) 20% is not the lowest. 490959;1391882728;mircea_popescu;the natural time interval for btc is "two weeks" aka 2096 blocks. and there have been eve ndrops. 490960;1391882753;mircea_popescu;there was also a 400% and some 3xxish% 490961;1391882969;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 52 @ 0.00469 = 0.2439 BTC [-] 490962;1391883396;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0055 = 0.1925 BTC 490963;1391883823;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC 490964;1391884250;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0705 = 0.141 BTC [-] {2} 490965;1391884311;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.07198332 = 0.4319 BTC [+] {2} 490966;1391884372;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.07199999 = 0.432 BTC [+] {2} 490967;1391884494;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.125 = 0.25 BTC [-] {2} 490968;1391884555;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.07275 = 0.291 BTC [+] {2} 490969;1391885022;mod6;;;view 490970;1391885024;gribble;#19517 Fri Feb 7 20:10:59 2014 mod6 BUY 100000.0 ATC @ 1.5e-06 BTC (Want to buy 100,000 ATC for a total of 0.15 BTC, must have WoT rating. PM me.) 490971;1391885035;mod6;hit me up if you want to do a trade for a smaller amt too. 490972;1391885048;mod6;we can make a deal. 490973;1391885349;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.04899998 = 0.245 BTC [+] {3} 490974;1391885409;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2973 @ 0.00014516 = 0.4316 BTC [-] {4} 490975;1391885598;jurov;http://lifeboat.com/images/optics.clothing.jpg should come with remote 490976;1391885653;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 24 @ 0.0055 = 0.132 BTC 490977;1391885738;benkay;good morning 490978;1391885747;kakobrekla;hi 490979;1391885798;jurov;hi 490980;1391886019;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 490981;1391886263;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 490982;1391887056;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 198 @ 0.003081 = 0.61 BTC [-] 490983;1391887118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13201 @ 0.00085708 = 11.3143 BTC [-] {2} 490984;1391887600;deadweasel;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZigyrD23rQk 490985;1391887601;ozbot;Toddlers boxing match gets nasty - YouTube 490986;1391887611;deadweasel;need to bring this back, asap,, for the children 490987;1391887904;mircea_popescu;o ty. 490988;1391888093;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04897964 = 0.2449 BTC [+] 490989;1391888398;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.0030825 = 0.1356 BTC [+] 490990;1391889313;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.52999999 = 3.71 BTC [+] {5} 490991;1391889374;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00531689 = 0.3775 BTC [+] {10} 490992;1391889496;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 498 @ 0.000463 = 0.2306 BTC [+] 490993;1391889557;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.0030825 = 0.111 BTC [+] 490994;1391889559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00085771 = 14.7955 BTC [+] 490995;1391889740;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.125 = 0.875 BTC [-] 490996;1391891705;benkay;you know what's hilarious? biking on six inches of snow is hilarious. 490997;1391892485;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.19376446 = 3.6815 BTC [+] 490998;1391892486;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.121 BTC [-] 490999;1391892546;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06890001 = 0.2067 BTC [-] 491000;1391892668;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.07235 = 0.7235 BTC [+] {4} 491001;1391892970;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/d82a6d16505851e5f4d7be3d2a2320e2/tumblr_mf20j4hXVT1rfc12eo1_400.gif << this could be the bitcoin-assets mascot. 491002;1391893134;nubbins`;;;bc,xag 491003;1391893134;gribble;1 XAG = 20.020000000000 USD = 0.0300555472151 BTC 491004;1391893142;nubbins`;;;bc,xau 491005;1391893143;gribble;1 XAU = 1268.100000000000 USD = 1.90376820297 BTC 491006;1391893192;FabianB;;;ticker --market all 491007;1391893217;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD last: 675.99997, vol: 20519.85822884 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 709.98, vol: 10021.29115479 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 711.0, vol: 9863.89301 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 708.5, vol: 6743.9665196 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 726.0, vol: 0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 750.797945, vol: 6516.39000000 | Volume-weighted last average: 701.945034121 491008;1391893230;benkay;coins on sale, coins on sale 491009;1391893241;mircea_popescu;actually it went up a lot 491010;1391893244;mircea_popescu;wasn't it 500ish ? 491011;1391893272;benkay;no idea, i don't watch the price 491012;1391893278;nubbins`;bitcoinity bottoms out around 660 491013;1391893283;benkay;my sample rate is like 1/week 491014;1391893288;mircea_popescu;ah ok 491015;1391893294;mircea_popescu;benkay im about the same way 491016;1391893303;nubbins`;yeah, same here, if that 491017;1391893313;nubbins`;there comes a point where it doesn't really matter what the price is 491018;1391893322;punkman1;chinese exchanges seem stuck around $750, http://btckan.com/price 491019;1391893340;mircea_popescu;punkman1 i still don't know which are at all trustable. 491020;1391893341;benkay;that'd be the difference between an investor and a trader. 491021;1391893351;nubbins`;benkay, nod 491022;1391893368;punkman1;mircea_popescu: we need some chinese dudes 491023;1391893372;nubbins`;actually 491024;1391893383;nubbins`;which of those two cares about the price? 491025;1391893385;mircea_popescu;punkman1 indeed. 491026;1391893425;mircea_popescu;or at least someone with a weird name. 491027;1391893434;benkay;i'm thinking sample frequency as indicator, nubbins` 491028;1391893447;nubbins`;a-ha. 491029;1391893451;nubbins`;yes, sure 491030;1391893471;FabianB;davout is the only one in this chan which kinda represents a fiat-btc exchange, no? 491031;1391893503;benkay;don't think there's much 'kinda' about davout's operation. 491032;1391893540;mircea_popescu;wasn't kakobrekla running that btcstamp or w/e, slovenian exchange ? 491033;1391893562;mircea_popescu;lol someone's watching the logs 491034;1391893600;mircea_popescu;FabianB you were fluent in mandarin iirc / 491035;1391893602;mircea_popescu;? 491036;1391893606;jurov;interesting leak mircea...so nejc and the other dude are just white horses? 491037;1391893616;FabianB;benkay: with kinda i didn't mean the exchange itself, just dunno if ceo or whatever role 491038;1391893616;jurov;and kako rund bitstamp? 491039;1391893624;mircea_popescu;jurov shit i gave the jig away ? 491040;1391893631;davout;mircea_popescu: pure randomness 491041;1391893635;FabianB;mircea_popescu: no, i wish, i only know some basics 491042;1391893638;davout;where is your cardano now? 491043;1391893642;mircea_popescu;hahaha 491044;1391893645;pankkake;jurov: yes, thus his 500 BTC car 491045;1391893659;mircea_popescu;he also runs an icecube factory. 491046;1391893684;nubbins`;rng based on davout's joins/parts 491047;1391893700;nubbins`;you know, vexual would make a pretty good meat-based rng 491048;1391893725;mircea_popescu;just hash what he says ? 491049;1391893742;pankkake;what he says is made of hash 491050;1391893753;mircea_popescu;thus therefore, infinite entropy. 491051;1391893776;jurov;what if it's actually the other way around? 491052;1391893803;jurov;he's saving stuff in the logs 491053;1391893820;mircea_popescu;lol 491054;1391893830;nubbins`;ooh 491055;1391893841;nubbins`;this bears further consideration 491056;1391893888;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00015499 = 0.775 BTC [+] {3} 491057;1391893893;mircea_popescu;https://31.media.tumblr.com/429db2a5ee3f5d7ad58a28df6aee0b96/tumblr_inline_n04mrqwJgg1rwpb4e.gif 491058;1391893899;mircea_popescu;nubbins off to further considerate. 491059;1391893922;Duffer1;ha 491060;1391893967;davout;jurov: https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Central/status/403849351564652544 491061;1391893972;nubbins`;once in korea when hiking in the mountains i stumbled across a small park with 2.5m diameter hula hoops 491062;1391893986;nubbins`;made out of curved 3" pvc pipe 491063;1391893996;nubbins`;brutal on your abs, fun tho 491064;1391894028;nubbins`;not as fun as mixing metric and imperial units, but hey 491065;1391894030;mircea_popescu;davout you need better dice than that. 491066;1391894035;nubbins`;i'm a product of my upbringing 491067;1391894037;jurov;and now mircea's pics are suspect, too :D 491068;1391894044;mircea_popescu;just by looking at them i can tell you they're at least 0.1% off 491069;1391894074;nubbins`;yeah 491070;1391894081;nubbins`;sorry state of affairs, those pips 491071;1391894106;davout;mircea_popescu: no more robocop movies for you 491072;1391894111;jurov;wut? you roll them million times and derive a secret key from the differences from mean? 491073;1391894131;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/gRxnT6j.jpg <<< this, for the record, is an actual living creature. 491074;1391894136;mircea_popescu;they just look like that. 491075;1391894153;deadweasel;http://ponzi.io/ 491076;1391894158;nubbins`;haha yeah! 491077;1391894159;davout;such antennas, wow 491078;1391894170;nubbins`;i saw those guys in an attenborough-narrated doc once 491079;1391894194;nubbins`;always looking happy can be a curse tho, look at dolphins 491080;1391894199;jurov;http://ponzi.io/ IPO upcoming 491081;1391894204;mircea_popescu;jurov there's a variety of available attacks if the rng is badly biased. 491082;1391894271;jurov;even better if it is provably fair 491083;1391894341;nubbins`;so the opening ceremonies were quite the spectacle 491084;1391894348;nubbins`;pretty heavy on the russian beat-off tho 491085;1391894351;mircea_popescu;who opened ? 491086;1391894359;nubbins`;olympics 491087;1391894362;mircea_popescu;o o that. 491088;1391894403;nubbins`;we drank and counted the number of families that were condemned to death by their relatives fucking up their parts in the ceremony 491089;1391894437;nubbins`;http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/72839000/jpg/_72839813_72839807.jpg 491090;1391894443;nubbins`;"the olympic rings" 491091;1391894464;jurov;you know the responsible dude was found dead already? 491092;1391894470;nubbins`;no, srs? 491093;1391894526;jurov;http://dailycurrant.com/2014/02/08/man-responsible-for-olympic-ring-mishap-found-dead-in-sochi/ 491094;1391894539;nubbins`;parody news 491095;1391894578;jurov;oh my..i fell for it :/ 491096;1391894584;nubbins`;currant vs current 491097;1391894585;nubbins`;:D 491098;1391894587;nubbins`;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Black_currant_fruit.jpg 491099;1391894597;nubbins`;it was easier when it was just the onion 491100;1391894625;nubbins`;team from bermuda (1 athlete, good for him!) wore red shorts for their uniform. outdoor stadium in russia in february. 491101;1391894629;nubbins`;there were no smiles 491102;1391894655;Duffer1;brilliant 491103;1391894665;nubbins`;i'm sure they thought so too when planning it 491104;1391894687;nubbins`;i'm picturing the canadian team showing up in snowsuits for the next summer olympics 491105;1391894742;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00543011 = 0.1249 BTC [+] {4} 491106;1391894835;B007;mircea_popescu: Do you hold in BTC or Fiat money? 491107;1391894844;mircea_popescu;do i hold what. 491108;1391894848;B007;money 491109;1391894851;mircea_popescu;right. 491110;1391894877;B007;right? 491111;1391894879;B007;so.... 491112;1391894884;nubbins`;HEH 491113;1391894895;mircea_popescu;therefore. 491114;1391894901;nubbins`;he asked just in case you wondered whether he held his cock in btc or fiat 491115;1391894928;B007;my cock? I don't hold my cock 491116;1391894935;B007;someone else does 491117;1391894967;mircea_popescu;and they thought surrealism was a 1920s thing. ha! i say. 491118;1391894986;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [+] 491119;1391894995;lewicki;it is, after all, hard to get it into your own mouth without some help. 491120;1391894998;nubbins`;all things are cyclical, some cycles take longer than others 491121;1391895004;nubbins`;lewicki, try yoga 491122;1391895063;B007;I think I just walked into an exclusive club 491123;1391895065;nubbins`;you know, i honestly wonder sometimes when people give me carte blanche for designing shirts for their band 491124;1391895067;B007;And I'm ugly 491125;1391895078;nubbins`;B007, it's irc, everyone is ugly 491126;1391895130;mircea_popescu;B007 it's not that exclusive, but you gotta ask questions that can be answered. 491127;1391895204;nubbins`;honestly, i'm waiting for the day when i show someone a concept and they just ask me what my fucking problem is before walking away 491128;1391895227;B007;I see some might consider what I asked to be stupid 491129;1391895227;nubbins`;mildly confused every time it doesn't happen 491130;1391895239;B007;but you can't buy much with BTC 491131;1391895243;mircea_popescu;no, it just didn't make any sense. 491132;1391895259;nubbins`;B007, what do you want to buy with btc that you can't? 491133;1391895275;Duffer1;you can buy a lambo with btc 491134;1391895294;B007;really? 491135;1391895306;B007;I wonder how the creater feels about all this 491136;1391895314;B007;the creater of Bitcoin I mean 491137;1391895318;Duffer1;it's money you can buy stuff with it 491138;1391895330;nubbins`;^ 491139;1391895358;B007;but is it safer than traditionally fiat? 491140;1391895378;B007;which doesn't flucuate as much 491141;1391895392;punkman1;eggs + 1 basket = tears 491142;1391895402;B007;true 491143;1391895530;B007;mircea_popescu: I think you have a bunch of 14 yr nude selfies now 491144;1391895577;mircea_popescu;what's "safer" mean. 491145;1391895605;B007;more secure 491146;1391895627;mircea_popescu;and secure means safer ? 491147;1391895646;B007;sometimes 491148;1391895684;punkman1;"Dangers are sum like a kold bath, very dangerous while you stand stripped on the bank, but often not only harmless, but invigorating, if you pitch into them." 491149;1391895707;mircea_popescu;punkman1 is this from a new ipo ? 491150;1391895723;B007;lol 491151;1391895731;punkman1;sure why not, everything else is IPOing 491152;1391895739;punkman1;I'm gonna IPO this old book 491153;1391895788;benkay;http://ponzi.io/ 491154;1391895804;mircea_popescu;ceci n'est pas une IalB 491155;1391895842;Duffer1;for us proles volatility is a threat atm, whether its more a threat than inflation is your choice, all eggs in one basket = bad 491156;1391895901;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00300605 = 0.1353 BTC [-] {2} 491157;1391895942;mircea_popescu;and by choice you really mean call 491158;1391895969;Duffer1;ya 491159;1391896000;punkman1;what's an IalB? 491160;1391896004;mircea_popescu;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/02/02_goat-a-sordid-story-of-stupid-and-scam.html 491161;1391896005;ozbot;Goat: A Sordid Story of Stupid and Scam 491162;1391896010;mircea_popescu;look at that, alliteration! 491163;1391896015;mircea_popescu;punkman1 introduction a la bourse. 491164;1391896023;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1503 @ 0.00015349 = 0.2307 BTC [-] {2} 491165;1391896028;benkay;ya well not all americans are entirely uneducated 491166;1391896066;B007;I am an American and am entirely uneducated. Point Proved? 491167;1391896077;punkman1;very proved 491168;1391896082;benkay;such point 491169;1391896084;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2751 @ 0.00014677 = 0.4038 BTC [-] {6} 491170;1391896088;the20year1;how do you define education? 491171;1391896095;the20year1;Dollars spent on college? 491172;1391896101;B007;no 491173;1391896118;mircea_popescu;wow. 491174;1391896145;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3318 @ 0.00014544 = 0.4826 BTC [-] {2} 491175;1391896151;Duffer1;http://bitbet.us/bet/633/bfl-will-ship-before-activemining/ read the comments 491176;1391896153;ozbot;BitBet - BFL will ship before ActiveMining 491177;1391896183;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 nobody bet lmao 491178;1391896206;Duffer1;there's no way to reasonably guess who will win, i don't think that bet will see much action :P 491179;1391896207;B007;Education is having the abilty to learn 491180;1391896222;mircea_popescu;benkay "my everlasting shame. Our code is available here:" 491181;1391896227;mircea_popescu;no code then ? 491182;1391896231;benkay;wat? 491183;1391896235;Duffer1;i got water on my keyboard "Cripple Fight!" 491184;1391896246;mircea_popescu;benkay grep yer blog! 491185;1391896262;benkay;dorp 491186;1391896266;B007;ctrl -f 491187;1391896273;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/BLdYqvd 491188;1391896273;benkay;how'd that get published!? 491189;1391896275;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 491190;1391896284;nubbins`;thoughts, comments, criticisms? 491191;1391896300;nubbins`;benkay, anything can get published, trust me 491192;1391896309;mircea_popescu;nubbins` he's the editor. 491193;1391896315;nubbins`;ah. aha. 491194;1391896329;nubbins`;consider my comment revoked 491195;1391896334;mircea_popescu;that looks like a butterfly that snorted coffee grinds thinking they're lsd. 491196;1391896359;mircea_popescu;with a skin infection or w/e is going on there off to the left. 491197;1391896376;nubbins`;bubbles will either go completely or take over the rest of the page 491198;1391896388;nubbins`;this is for a band t-shirt, in the meantime 491199;1391896406;mircea_popescu;is the band name "butterfly that snorted coffee grinds thinking they're lsd" ? 491200;1391896414;nubbins`;"werewoman" 491201;1391896418;mircea_popescu;close enough. 491202;1391896421;nubbins`;nod 491203;1391896421;B007;it looks like the ink had a seizure 491204;1391896454;mircea_popescu;"Nobody can get inspect your payments if you know what you're doing." 491205;1391896461;mircea_popescu;dude horrible copyediting. 491206;1391896464;mircea_popescu;don't you have a girlfriend ? 491207;1391896465;nubbins`;B007, the ink does occasionally have seizures 491208;1391896483;nubbins`;you should see the last thing i drew 491209;1391896487;B007;nubbins`: especially in the heat 491210;1391896495;nubbins`;cold is a problem too 491211;1391896510;nubbins`;humidity as well 491212;1391896531;nubbins`;i had TWO pens hemorrhage on me this week 491213;1391896537;benkay;i do but mircea_popescu is so much better at it. 491214;1391896543;nubbins`;^ heh 491215;1391896547;nubbins`;send him a bill 491216;1391896569;B007;mircea_popescu: likes to party with lsd 491217;1391896577;mircea_popescu;indicative of Nefario's future behavior: "Thanks for your ideas guys, I'm going to wrap them all together and not pay out the bounty". 491218;1391896582;mircea_popescu;ahaha this is pretty lulzy. 491219;1391896586;mircea_popescu;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/01/31_a-list-of-bitcoin-investments.html 491220;1391896587;ozbot;A List of Bitcoin "Investments" 491221;1391896611;B007;mircea_popescu: how rich are you? 491222;1391896620;mircea_popescu;pretty damned rich. 491223;1391896622;nubbins`;B007, don't be vulgar 491224;1391896632;B007;nubbins`: I like being vulgar 491225;1391896653;nubbins`;evidently, yes 491226;1391896673;copumpkin;B007: he bought me a bentley for supporting him in the early days 491227;1391896679;copumpkin;seems pretty generous 491228;1391896684;mircea_popescu;i did ?! 491229;1391896694;mircea_popescu;i'm so rich i buy people bentleys i don't even know about. 491230;1391896697;copumpkin;well, indirectly, in that money I stole from you 491231;1391896703;nubbins`;ah, hey, there's an MPEx asset in this list 491232;1391896703;mircea_popescu;you did ? 491233;1391896712;mircea_popescu;i'm so rich people steal my moneyz i don't even know about. 491234;1391896713;copumpkin;oh whoops, nevermind 491235;1391896718;copumpkin;^_^ 491236;1391896720;nubbins`;i was talking with someone about this the other day 491237;1391896722;B007;thats pretty rich 491238;1391896724;nubbins`;F.PURE.SYNTH 491239;1391896755;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 892 @ 0.000151 = 0.1347 BTC [+] 491240;1391896771;mircea_popescu;nubbins` how's pure.synth related to the hash options tho ? 491241;1391896793;mircea_popescu;they're different things, the f.pure.synth was a synthetic copy of puremining, the glbse asset run by rosi manifold or w/e the jew's name was. 491242;1391896825;Duffer1;mani rosenfeld 491243;1391896827;nubbins`;how's it related? beats me 491244;1391896834;mircea_popescu;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/01/31_a-list-of-bitcoin-investments.html << epic 491245;1391896838;nubbins`;the btctalk thread is a bit light on detail 491246;1391896839;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=76401.0 491247;1391896852;benkay;not epic at all. barely 4% of the way through known assets. 491248;1391896858;mircea_popescu;oops wrong link 491249;1391896860;ozbot;A List of Bitcoin "Investments" 491250;1391896861;ozbot;[MPEx] Introducing F.PURE.SYNTH 491251;1391896863;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=8733.msg128319#msg128319 << epic. 491252;1391896864;benkay;furthermore, that project is on hold. 491253;1391896865;ozbot;luke-jr is a scammer - he renegged on a bitcoin futures contract 491254;1391896876;Duffer1;er meni rosenfeld 491255;1391896895;B007;mircea_popescu: I can't even read that 491256;1391896901;Luke-Jr;mircea_popescu: why do you like to promote lies and scammers? 491257;1391896915;mircea_popescu;Luke-Jr that'd be the oposite of what i do. 491258;1391896921;mircea_popescu;but anyway, what was the real story there ? 491259;1391896948;benkay;luke claims that because his counterparty didn't file claims within some window of time he was absolved of his obligation to pay. 491260;1391896972;mircea_popescu;kinda how things work... 491261;1391896972;Luke-Jr;mircea_popescu: we agreed that I'd sell him BTC for USD at a future date. he never showed until like a month later demanding I just pay him some amount outright 491262;1391896976;nubbins`;nevermind that, what's a "synthetic copy" of an asset? 491263;1391896979;mircea_popescu;course, why did the cp go on forum then ? 491264;1391896987;Luke-Jr;benkay: I had no obligation to "pay". 491265;1391896988;mircea_popescu;Luke-Jr ah. 491266;1391896991;Luke-Jr;it was a trade. 491267;1391896998;Luke-Jr;he would have recieved something, and I would have received something back. 491268;1391897015;Luke-Jr;I was at no point under an oblgiation to sell what I got back to him at market price. 491269;1391897020;mircea_popescu;any of this in proper form (ie, as pgp signed ?) 491270;1391897055;Luke-Jr;irrelevant, but no 491271;1391897065;mircea_popescu;well, why did a third party buy your alleged debt ? 491272;1391897070;Luke-Jr;no idea 491273;1391897078;mircea_popescu;aite well... still pretty lulzy. 491274;1391897098;mircea_popescu;it doesn't necessarily have to be X or Y to be epic you know. 491275;1391897099;Luke-Jr;IIRC, had he shown up, and we made that trade, I'd have made a profit in the month he was MIA 491276;1391897112;copumpkin;irrelephant? 491277;1391897125;copumpkin;https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/361503/Your-Argument-is-Irrelephant.gif 491278;1391897136;nubbins`;daww 491279;1391897151;nubbins`;i'm still confused about f.pure.synth 491280;1391897166;nubbins`;indulge me with the elevator pitch? 491281;1391897168;benkay;pmb, unless i miss my read. 491282;1391897169;mircea_popescu;nubbins` a synthetic was a relatively retarded construction, sadly made necessary by the very opaque manner of conducting "business" employed by the glbse muppets. 491283;1391897185;nubbins`;benkay: pmb, yep, i've got that much 491284;1391897187;mircea_popescu;it's basically "i will pay out whatever X so called asset pays out" 491285;1391897206;nubbins`;to what end? 491286;1391897207;mircea_popescu;if your credit is better than the issuer's this then gives investors incentive to buy your synthetic rather than the original, starving scams of cash. 491287;1391897208;pankkake;the goal was to short those assets? 491288;1391897212;nubbins`;a-ha. 491289;1391897213;mircea_popescu;a desperate measure for desperate times. 491290;1391897225;nubbins`;interesting 491291;1391897232;mircea_popescu;very disruptive, especially as nobody readily imagined such a thing can even exist. 491292;1391897235;mircea_popescu;at least not originally. 491293;1391897283;nubbins`;were PMBs not generally recognized to be dog turds back then? 491294;1391897287;mircea_popescu;hahaha 491295;1391897309;mircea_popescu;pmbs were generally recognised to be dog turds back then about to the degree hearn is recognised as a dog turd today. 491296;1391897320;nubbins`;sure 491297;1391897332;nubbins`;so... you offered a cheaper turd to undercut the turd salesmen? 491298;1391897341;nubbins`;srsly struggling to understand here 491299;1391897343;mircea_popescu;read the forum sometime, people really thought it's the path to glory. 491300;1391897360;nubbins`;oh yeah, people lapped 'em up despite people SCREAMING that they were bad ideas 491301;1391897368;mircea_popescu;nubbins` mostly to create an actual market. 491302;1391897373;nubbins`;i mean, fucking eskimo bob was telling people not to buy them 491303;1391897376;mircea_popescu;they for instance had massive issues with shorting. mental issues. 491304;1391897387;mircea_popescu;of the sort that bubble up even today, with the braindamaged "trading closed for ipo" nonsense. 491305;1391897422;mircea_popescu;there's some schmuck from the early days plainly stating it in some thread, "the ipo is not for investors to make money but for the company to make money" or somesuch. 491306;1391897437;mircea_popescu;total disconnect from reality. 491307;1391897487;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04897964 = 0.2449 BTC [-] 491308;1391897521;mircea_popescu;anyway, in the case there : at the time the difficulty had gone up maybe 50% over 3 months, the dividends were mostly absent and the thing still traded "At price" 491309;1391897534;mircea_popescu;because that's what counted for a market back then, a buncha forum tards being friendly 491310;1391897550;mircea_popescu;after the synth price normalised and soon enough it was in the shitter. 491311;1391897557;mircea_popescu;eventually glbse cratered and erased the thing. 491312;1391897606;mircea_popescu;and meni rosenfeld moved on to to obscure turd pushing with what was going to become bitdaytrade 491313;1391897615;mircea_popescu;a sort of kraken of 2012 as it turns out. 491314;1391897627;nubbins`;oh yeah, kraken still hasn't verified my false info 491315;1391897635;nubbins`;forgot i signed up 491316;1391897658;mircea_popescu;i r so disappoint with that thing. 491317;1391897665;mircea_popescu;they really seemed like they're competent for a while. 491318;1391897745;mircea_popescu;benkay "Predictably1, BS&T failed to issue the number of bonds they'd committed to, and Popescu was relieved of his obligation to pay out on the above synthetics." 491319;1391897748;mircea_popescu;that's not exactly correct. 491320;1391897753;benkay;o! 491321;1391897758;benkay;well, do enlighten. 491322;1391897761;mircea_popescu;the thing opened, all full of trepidation, abunch were bought 491323;1391897767;mircea_popescu;then the forum cartel backtracked 491324;1391897773;mircea_popescu;people panicked and sold into my MM bids 491325;1391897774;mircea_popescu;which were low. 491326;1391897800;mircea_popescu;this all happened much before expiration. 491327;1391897815;duduqa;Hi, everyone 491328;1391897821;mircea_popescu;ello. 491329;1391897859;B007;hi 491330;1391897867;benkay;those are additional facts, sure 491331;1391897883;benkay;but BS&T did fail to issue the number of promised bonds, and you were relieved of your obligation were you not? 491332;1391897890;mircea_popescu;this was never judged. 491333;1391897911;mircea_popescu;it never actually got to be a cogent point 491334;1391897947;benkay;so what happened at expiration? 491335;1391897948;B007;guys how do I get rich? 491336;1391897965;mircea_popescu;benkay nothing because iirc i was holding the whole load. 491337;1391897973;benkay;ah 491338;1391897978;mircea_popescu;B007 you get your words very well defined and your questions super sharp 491339;1391898000;mircea_popescu;by the time you're done with that you're rich already and don't even know when you bought copumpkin a new bionic girlfriend/maid. 491340;1391898019;copumpkin;lol 491341;1391898036;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 330 @ 0.0030016 = 0.9905 BTC [-] {5} 491342;1391898038;mircea_popescu;benkay so did ognasty finally crap out or what ? 491343;1391898057;benkay;nasty mining is still a thing, innit? can't say as I've gotten much past april 2012 491344;1391898062;mircea_popescu;a ok. 491345;1391898101;B007;mircea_popescu: I think then you just die from a dictionary 491346;1391898154;B007;mircea_popescu: do you ever use otr 491347;1391898167;mircea_popescu;yes. 491348;1391898175;B007;mircea_popescu: cool 491349;1391898195;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=450797.msg4962212#msg4962212 491350;1391898196;ozbot;Beware: Bitcoin casino is cheating, changes outcome of their roulette 491351;1391898197;mircea_popescu;this is kinda lulz.y 491352;1391898204;mircea_popescu;"Their roulette is technically provably fair and they are publishing complete results from previous day. But they are cheating in such naive way that they simply change outcome of roulette game when needed and later in published results from previous day they show different outcome, which is correct one but was not used." 491353;1391898230;B007;I'm going to go play games 491354;1391898235;B007;see you all later 491355;1391898260;mircea_popescu;how come everyone wants to be rich these days. 491356;1391898274;mircea_popescu;i mean back before roosevelt i could understand it, being poor meant fucking starving. 491357;1391898280;B007;it is the new trend 491358;1391898290;mircea_popescu;but today ?! what difference does it make, 99% of all derps live in the same exact conditions anyway 491359;1391898317;B007;bragging rights 491360;1391898318;duduqa;" but today ?! what difference does it make, 99% of all derps live in the same exact conditions anyway" - this 491361;1391898319;Dimsler;lol 491362;1391898321;Dimsler;rih 491363;1391898321;B007;no need to work 491364;1391898322;Dimsler;er rich 491365;1391898329;Duffer1;i don't want stuff or things, i just want my mom to retire 491366;1391898339;Dimsler;only way to become rich these days is to steal it 491367;1391898349;mircea_popescu;B007 if you didn't work you'd just go crazy. 491368;1391898362;mircea_popescu;what work. not like you go dig up coal in a mine or anything. 491369;1391898367;B007;I have never worked so far 491370;1391898371;mircea_popescu;derping about with a purpose is necessary for your sanity. 491371;1391898378;mircea_popescu;B007 i figured you must be in school. 491372;1391898382;B007;I am 491373;1391898450;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=452111.msg4977482#msg4977482 << ThickAsThieves check it out, quartz had another article. 491374;1391898452;ozbot;Bitcoin Federation of SPACE 491375;1391898951;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.0284 = 0.2556 BTC [+] 491376;1391899012;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC 491377;1391899040;Jere_Jones;ThickAsThieves, you around? 491378;1391899073;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.07299999 = 0.219 BTC [-] 491379;1391899279;mircea_popescu;talk about graceful degradations : tweets including references to #bitcoin-assets are auto-hashtagged "bitcoin" because that's how their parser works. 491380;1391899500;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.52 = 2.6 BTC [-] 491381;1391899583;benkay;well i was going to write a tcp client test harness today but then got distracted and this came out instead: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/02/08_when-you-know-you-done-fucked-up-but-cant-admit-it-in-public.html 491382;1391899588;ThickAsThieves;just got back wassup 491383;1391899622;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.531 BTC [+] 491384;1391899637;benkay;w/r/t proofing mircea_popescu, i learned from you to just write the thing, post it, and come back and tweak it if necessary later 491385;1391899650;Jere_Jones;ThickAsThieves, are you still providing escrow services? 491386;1391899673;benkay;;;ud mego 491387;1391899674;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mego | The drugged-out sensation one gets when poring over spreadsheets or instruction manuals; acronym for "my eyes glaze over" 491388;1391899677;ThickAsThieves;Yes, but only for AM & Neo 491389;1391899694;truffles;new word yay 491390;1391899731;benkay;mircea_popescu relevant posts updated. thanks for the proofing ;) 491391;1391899752;truffles;what subject r u writing on? 491392;1391899806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32076 @ 0.00085807 = 27.5235 BTC [+] {3} 491393;1391899808;BingoBoingo;benkay: Nice write up 491394;1391899932;truffles;on what!!! 491395;1391899934;Jere_Jones;Ok. I was looking for a one-off escrow. 491396;1391900122;truffles;omg i here for the nubbins! 491397;1391900125;truffles;sigh 491398;1391900171;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.07344999 = 0.7345 BTC [+] {6} 491399;1391900228;mircea_popescu;benkay that's sensible. 491400;1391900267;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones maybe salty spitoon ? or you mean irc ? 491401;1391900293;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51000201 = 1.02 BTC [-] 491402;1391900308;duduqa;bye bye fols 491403;1391900310;duduqa;folks 491404;1391900313;Jere_Jones;I'm looking to swap some real btc for gox btc as I believe that, eventually, I will be able to withdrawl. 491405;1391900323;benkay;wow that's a bold position 491406;1391900325;mircea_popescu;o get out. i'm not helping you do that. 491407;1391900330;benkay;you must have coins to burn. 491408;1391900342;Jere_Jones;I have coins that I don't need available immediately. 491409;1391900350;mircea_popescu;that is possibly the most insane thing i heard ever since i heard of people "buying pirate debt" 491410;1391900377;mircea_popescu;also, you need someone with a gox acct to escrow for you neh ? 491411;1391900392;Jere_Jones;Don't think so. 491412;1391900413;Jere_Jones;The escrow would hold the btc I send until I confirm receipt of the goxBTC. 491413;1391900416;mircea_popescu;so what, half escrow ? 491414;1391900426;mircea_popescu;yeah, and then what's the op to do ? you get the goxbtc and claim you didn't. 491415;1391900432;PierreCPA;Do you have a contingency plan if they go enter into bankruptcy? You have experience with the Japanese bankruptcy system and creditor claims? 491416;1391900442;mircea_popescu;PierreCPA o you the twitter guy ? 491417;1391900446;PierreCPA;yes 491418;1391900450;mircea_popescu;welcome. 491419;1391900460;mircea_popescu;bitcoin needs more accounting professionals. 491420;1391900471;PierreCPA;thank you, I was going to sit back and lurk but had to ask that haha 491421;1391900473;PierreCPA;I've noticed 491422;1391900476;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.53099995 = 2.124 BTC [+] {2} 491423;1391900499;Jere_Jones;No contingency. Just a belief that the problems are technical, not solvency. From what I can tell, mtgox is incompetent, not broke. 491424;1391900514;mircea_popescu;this guy is like jesse james. 491425;1391900525;deadweasel;fractional reserve falling apart, more likely. 491426;1391900527;PierreCPA;Ah, I see, what's your belief based on? 491427;1391900530;mircea_popescu;how long does the average incompetent lotto winner take to be broke ? eh ? 491428;1391900537;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.53592003 = 8.0388 BTC [+] {6} 491429;1391900596;Jere_Jones;It is based on what I know of MtGox's backend, the transactions that are getting stalled, and how easy it would be to write a system to cause those problems. 491430;1391900598;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.537267 = 4.8354 BTC [+] {2} 491431;1391900636;deadweasel;so nothing. 491432;1391900638;truffles;what about problems outside of their control 491433;1391900690;Jere_Jones;Oh, I am not of the belief that they have every dollar they should. I am just of the belief that I'll be able to get my coin out before the bottom falls out. 491434;1391900745;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Whip the kittens already 491435;1391900756;deadweasel;you dropped this earlier, mp https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/2666f75887c09590958eda247c8f15e8/tumblr_inline_mpl3opPOYZ1qz4rgp.gif 491436;1391900792;mircea_popescu;awww ty deadweasel. 491437;1391900819;deadweasel;i hadn't saved a gif link in years. that ws too good 491438;1391900842;truffles;awww 491439;1391900846;mircea_popescu;didja ever find the viruses you were looking for ? 491440;1391900869;truffles;too bad no audio 491441;1391900889;deadweasel;i think antibiotics killed the lyme, im' got post-lyme disease syndrome, immune systems continues to battle invisible enemies 491442;1391900920;deadweasel;you talking about bacteriophage, right? 491443;1391900930;mircea_popescu;yeah 491444;1391900956;deadweasel;haven't had to do it. nice to have it all ready in case of freak outbreak of something new. 3 weeks to a new phage, give or take. 491445;1391900964;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 139 @ 0.0055 = 0.7645 BTC 491446;1391900984;mircea_popescu;let that be a lesson to you young man 491447;1391900986;truffles;how does one get that? 491448;1391900989;mircea_popescu;never fuck a doe bareback again. 491449;1391901003;mircea_popescu;truffles from tic. 491450;1391901013;deadweasel;lyme ticks here have evolved to stay active in winter.. 491451;1391901018;deadweasel;little fuckers 491452;1391901029;truffles;i kill bugs on site so... 491453;1391901044;mircea_popescu;they're about the size of afids really. 491454;1391901049;mircea_popescu;you only see them once they swell 491455;1391901050;deadweasel;never see these, gotta look everywhere, because they have numb bites. 491456;1391901065;deadweasel;until they fill with your blood and screw into your flesh 491457;1391901070;deadweasel;then they pretty obvi 491458;1391901086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00086235 = 24.6201 BTC [+] 491459;1391901129;deadweasel;also getting immune to deet 491460;1391901239;mircea_popescu;PierreCPA since you're here, you can look over http://trilema.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/ 491461;1391901279;PierreCPA;reading it now 491462;1391901380;benkay;BingoBoingo: updated http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/02/08_on-the-importance-of-contracts-the-rentalstarter-case.html 491463;1391901400;benkay;now with discussion of mike_c's "you can raise it but you can't spend it" 491464;1391901452;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 491465;1391901460;mircea_popescu;benkay speaking of that discussion, this month is quite the reverse. 491466;1391901461;truffles;benkay is that answer to my ? ^^ 491467;1391901473;mircea_popescu;"oh if only we had spent btc at 1200 to acquire real goods now worth 2x in btc" 491468;1391901495;benkay;the curse of volatility. 491469;1391901504;benkay;"you can raise it, but now you have to spend it optimally" 491470;1391901518;mircea_popescu;moreover, an important point to be considered is that the real assets of btc corps act as an absolutel bottom in the btc exchange. 491471;1391901528;mircea_popescu;which is always nice to have. 491472;1391901535;benkay;yeah no shit 491473;1391901538;mircea_popescu;anyway, all this is going in s.mg feb report, so. 491474;1391901548;benkay;oh minigame's looking to burn some cash? 491475;1391901559;mircea_popescu;no, but i gotta follow up with something for investor's benefit. 491476;1391901568;mircea_popescu;after last month's haha aren;t you glad we didn't spend anything 491477;1391901624;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You finally bought the Eve devs? 491478;1391901634;nubbins`;nasty mining is, i believe, still a thing 491479;1391901640;benkay;well in three months time it'll be back to 'aha aren't you glad we didn't spend anything' again 491480;1391901649;mircea_popescu;have you SEEN the eve devs ? i'd rather buy a zoo 491481;1391901684;mircea_popescu;benkay either that or "sorry, but we had to spend it eventually" 491482;1391901721;benkay;this is what executive leadership is for. deciding when to burn the btc. 491483;1391901732;benkay;naively, at the last possible moment. more sophisticatedly, at the right time. 491484;1391901734;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: But you can feed devs pouridge and give it a fancy name like Soylent, its rather cheap. The zoo's Lions would be malnourished. 491485;1391901734;mircea_popescu;notrly. the duck does that part. 491486;1391901746;mircea_popescu;the executive leadership is for taking the burns once it blows up 491487;1391901833;benkay;ah, sorry? as in taking the burn for not spending btc at the right time? 491488;1391901846;PierreCPA;mircea_popescu reasonable approach. It does remove the BS parts of GAAP, but it also does not address complex issues like consolidation of partially owned subsidiaries, revenue recognition for installment contracts, etc... 491489;1391901862;mircea_popescu;PierreCPA yeah. 491490;1391901865;PierreCPA;I started working on a similar project ( http://bitcoinadvisory.org/index.html ) but had to get a real job to pay the bills 491491;1391901880;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.537267 BTC [+] 491492;1391901885;mircea_popescu;hopefully more of that stuff can go in as more of your profession start being available for the corps to do the stuff. 491493;1391901938;mircea_popescu;i think tho the consolidation of subsidiaries can be done easily by a) disalowing unlisted subsidiaries and b) mark to market. 491494;1391901958;PierreCPA;Yes, it's happening, we just need demand from clients before doing anything really 491495;1391901974;mircea_popescu;you need to be in the wot and have a reputation before you'll get demand from any clients 491496;1391901983;mircea_popescu;and the actual clients, of course, but that's slowly coming into place. 491497;1391902058;mircea_popescu;benkay yea. 491498;1391902088;PierreCPA;agreed, problem is there can be no overlap between accountants serving large companies (and these are generally the high quality accountants), and accountants serving Bitcoin non-SEC listed companies, due to liability 491499;1391902103;PierreCPA;so that firewall slows things down 491500;1391902118;mircea_popescu;i guess it does. 491501;1391902129;PierreCPA;so the demand has to come from "compliant" mainstream companies wanting to get in the game 491502;1391902139;mircea_popescu;with the mention that those WERE the good accountants. they won't be, in a decade or two. 491503;1391902166;mircea_popescu;nah, non-compliant corps will crush the entire system, from sec down to all corps and their subcontractors. 491504;1391902201;benkay;far better to save up some cash and be the premiere btc accountant. 491505;1391902206;PierreCPA;Perhaps, though I think we'll call them "accounting system developers", accounting will be done entirely 100% by computers 491506;1391902213;mircea_popescu;perhaps. 491507;1391902214;benkay;disconnect from the doomed fiat systems. 491508;1391902240;jurov;Jere_Jones use this as escrow: bitbet.us/bet/751/mtgox-out-of-business-in-2014/?ref=1EteoRKNYbNhhmFfsKnUSWRF3JUpKCcMnc 491509;1391902263;PierreCPA;what's a good metric for seeing the size of non-compliant corps? i.e. is their someone summing the mkt caps? 491510;1391902292;mircea_popescu;about a million btc giver or take atm 491511;1391902306;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.121 BTC [-] 491512;1391902559;nubbins`;i was about to ask Jere_Jones if he had a seller of goxbtc lined up 491513;1391902569;nubbins`;but then i realized that's probably not hard to find 491514;1391902580;truffles;hai nubbins 491515;1391902585;truffles;busy? 491516;1391902604;nubbins`;depends on if you want to play chess 491517;1391902610;mircea_popescu;lmao 491518;1391902615;truffles;:( 491519;1391902617;nubbins`;heh 491520;1391902624;nubbins`;i kid! but i actually to have to pick up rent 491521;1391902633;nubbins`;just popped in with a coffee 491522;1391902639;truffles;hope u win with this dodgery 491523;1391902660;nubbins`;i rarely win 491524;1391902675;truffles;.. 491525;1391902676;Namworld;;;premium gox bitstamp 491526;1391902678;gribble;Premium of MtGox over Bitstamp is currently -4.33866400355 %. 491527;1391902679;nubbins`;i'll play later tho 491528;1391902689;Namworld;MtGox... why you so silly 491529;1391902693;truffles;im stepping away "later" 491530;1391902698;Namworld;From +20 to -5 491531;1391902702;truffles;this time tomorrow is better? 491532;1391902706;nubbins`;schedules collide 491533;1391902717;truffles;or 2 hours prior? 491534;1391902719;nubbins`;later in the evenings is better 491535;1391902743;truffles;what time is evening? est cst? 491536;1391902747;nubbins`;nst 491537;1391902756;nubbins`;utc-3:30 491538;1391902924;truffles;guess we'll have to wait til things shift 491539;1391903022;jurov;oh, there's parasigm shift already? 491540;1391903027;jurov;*paradigm 491541;1391903046;nubbins`;2014-03-09, dst begins 491542;1391903064;jurov;and where is it scheduled to shift? 491543;1391903109;nubbins`;an hour forward 491544;1391903123;nubbins`;to utc-2:30 491545;1391903697;mike_c;good article benkay. it's crazy (but not surprising) that havelock is messing around with the ipo structure. 491546;1391903759;jurov;oh they do. and if issuer is borderline competent, they in turn don't understand him 491547;1391903802;jurov;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1xdg60/heads_up_thebitcoinnewscom_is_hosting_a_fake/ our dear friend markus weiler is at it again 491548;1391903820;jurov;(of bitcoinbourse.eu infamy) 491549;1391903831;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 491550;1391903845;pankkake;:/ 491551;1391903866;jurov;what pankkake? you invested there too? 491552;1391903888;pankkake;no, but I'm always annoyed to see those people are still operating 491553;1391904283;benkay;thanks, mike_c! 491554;1391904321;benkay;there are no contracts, so nobody can be certain of anything. 491555;1391904380;mircea_popescu;so i bought these slightly smoked plums 491556;1391904391;mircea_popescu;omfg they're great 491557;1391904402;mircea_popescu;im reduced to one hand typing 491558;1391904538;Mats_cd03;I'll smoke your plums 491559;1391904587;mircea_popescu;this is the future of social media : tastegram 491560;1391904598;jurov;Mats_cd03 don't forget, you promised me some rimming first 491561;1391904669;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Then someone sends tastegrams which seem to be almonds, but are actually cyanide 491562;1391904700;mircea_popescu;i guess it'd have to be implemented electronically rather than chemically. 491563;1391904707;mircea_popescu;no future for 3d printing in this. 491564;1391904734;mircea_popescu;incidentally... 3d molecularbiologizing... get cartridges of all the elements, print any substance. 491565;1391904755;jurov;there are iirc 5 basic smells that can be mixed like colors 491566;1391904755;Mats_cd03;mircea_popescu: too late... Instagram _is_ tastegram 491567;1391904767;BingoBoingo;I didn't think there was much future for 3D printing beyond industries frequently needing bespoke and one-off construction 491568;1391904772;jurov;no need to 3d print molecules 491569;1391904834;mircea_popescu;that could potentially be everything tho 491570;1391904842;mircea_popescu;all the car buyers want to be... unique. 491571;1391904853;mircea_popescu;"you wouldn't download a car" ? oyestheywould. 491572;1391904890;mircea_popescu;jurov no way. i can detect more scents than colors. 491573;1391904929;jurov;yes, cuz there are much more combinations of 5 basic smells than 3 primary colors 491574;1391904945;mircea_popescu;i can actually distinguish mercaptane from ethilthiol 491575;1391904952;mircea_popescu;what the heck do you mix to go from one to the other ? 491576;1391905032;jurov;dunno. my mother explained to me mixing smells is basic physiology exercise for med students 491577;1391905051;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.54729999 = 1.0946 BTC [+] 491578;1391905056;mircea_popescu;fun fact : mercaptane actually is a natural byproduct of asparagus digestion in mammals. for a long time people imagined the ability to excrete it in urine is genetically dependent, as apparently not all people did it. 491579;1391905069;mircea_popescu;then it turned out that in fact yes all people do it, but the ability to SMELL it is the genetic trait 491580;1391905073;mircea_popescu;as not all people can smell it. 491581;1391905110;jurov;and yo get back to topic.. "you wouldn't download a penis" - guess what gets printed first once 3d printer appears somewhere? 491582;1391905112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16746 @ 0.0008634 = 14.4585 BTC [+] {2} 491583;1391905142;jurov;wao-ender can confirm 491584;1391905196;mircea_popescu;i recently had my penis made out of marzipan 491585;1391905206;mircea_popescu;from memory. 491586;1391906378;rbonestell;is there any specific person in charge of assbot? 491587;1391906576;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00086235 = 20.4377 BTC [-] 491588;1391906682;mircea_popescu;rbonestell kakobrekla 491589;1391906752;jurov;no, assbot is promiscuous 491590;1391906759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00086235 = 4.9585 BTC [-] 491591;1391906781;rbonestell;... :-O 491592;1391906821;rbonestell;thanks, mircea_popescu. 491593;1391906824;rbonestell;isn't it open source? 491594;1391906836;mircea_popescu;i don't remember which it is, maybe supybot ? 491595;1391906838;rbonestell;I thought I found the source under an mpex repo on github somewhere 491596;1391906848;mircea_popescu;wasn't that mpexbot? 491597;1391906872;rbonestell;ohhhh, yeah 491598;1391906873;rbonestell;probably 491599;1391906912;mircea_popescu;yes well. not all bots are the same 491600;1391906914;mircea_popescu;just like people. 491601;1391906950;rbonestell;but 491602;1391906951;rbonestell;but 491603;1391906956;rbonestell;lol 491604;1391907003;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1007 @ 0.00086235 = 0.8684 BTC [-] 491605;1391907003;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0731 = 0.2193 BTC [-] 491606;1391907111;rbonestell;I thought I stumbled upon some irc bot for mpex and havelock when I was making that android app for the havelock API... but I have a terrible memory. 491607;1391907162;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455321.msg5025075#msg5025075 << this went over well 491608;1391907268;rbonestell;woah 491609;1391907286;rbonestell;I didn't read the preceding context, but daaamn- some serious hostility there. 491610;1391907289;mircea_popescu;pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=453941.msg5020847#msg5020847 this is my gift for you today 491611;1391907347;mircea_popescu;aw shit you saw it already. 491612;1391907348;mircea_popescu;my bad 491613;1391907352;jurov;what kind of master thesis paper doesn't notice the university where it is done? 491614;1391907374;jurov;just the first thing i noticed 491615;1391907632;mircea_popescu;maybe their entire country only has one university so it's kind-of redundant ? 491616;1391907657;Duffer1;i didn't know phoenix.edu offered masters 491617;1391907796;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.19376446 = 0.7751 BTC [+] 491618;1391907797;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.54871538 = 7.1333 BTC [+] {3} 491619;1391907918;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.5499 = 1.6497 BTC [+] {2} 491620;1391908256;mod6;jeeze. 491621;1391908333;mircea_popescu;you squattin' ? 491622;1391908419;nubbins`;http://developers.slashdot.org/story/14/02/08/1959218/llvm-gcc-compiler-developers-to-begin-collaborating 491623;1391908423;mod6;heh, na, just lag. 491624;1391908456;mircea_popescu;what. 491625;1391908463;mod6;couldn't seem to get nickserv to cooperate 491626;1391908464;mircea_popescu;omgwtf what year is it 491627;1391908474;mircea_popescu;how long have i been asleep 491628;1391908502;nubbins`;get a shave, ya bum! 491629;1391908505;mircea_popescu;is stallman dead ? 491630;1391908511;nubbins`;no, just lethargic 491631;1391908519;mircea_popescu;didn't he go "over my dead body" or somesuch ? 491632;1391908528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3627 @ 0.00085992 = 3.1189 BTC [-] 491633;1391908547;nubbins`;yes but he said it in spanish and the audience spoke portuguese 491634;1391908589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24073 @ 0.00086082 = 20.7225 BTC [+] {2} 491635;1391908617;mircea_popescu;lmao 491636;1391908632;mircea_popescu;by the way, anyone else noticed how quickly the altcoin subforum standardized ? 491637;1391908635;mircea_popescu;it's uncanny. 491638;1391908710;mircea_popescu;hashturbate.com pitythepool.com valid-error.com etc 491639;1391908727;mircea_popescu;they have an announcement format, this is what one should do a master thesis on 491640;1391908758;mircea_popescu;copy the entire altcoin subforum, define 50-100 measures, see how standardised the offerings are, do a over time survey 491641;1391908783;mircea_popescu;pure fundamental open-market research. more valuable than 99% of all economics papers to be published in 2014 491642;1391909077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23262 @ 0.00085697 = 19.9348 BTC [-] {2} 491643;1391909260;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.55808965 = 16.7427 BTC [+] {6} 491644;1391909291;mircea_popescu;anyway. the rms life and culture seems now a failed experiment. gpl was perhaps a good idea, but gpl 3 is an unmitigatedly bad idea, and so it goes. they wanted to kill bsd and in the end bsd killed them. 491645;1391909321;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.56995 = 2.2798 BTC [+] {2} 491646;1391909382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.000107 = 0.535 BTC [-] 491647;1391909626;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.579 = 1.737 BTC [+] 491648;1391909687;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 757 @ 0.00015499 = 0.1173 BTC [+] {2} 491649;1391909748;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.5876543 = 5.8765 BTC [+] {2} 491650;1391909870;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1476 @ 0.00015696 = 0.2317 BTC [+] {3} 491651;1391909931;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.00015697 = 0.5494 BTC [+] {2} 491652;1391910142;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, when you say standardized, you mean the format of the announcement posts? 491653;1391910151;mircea_popescu;yeah 491654;1391910153;mircea_popescu;but not just 491655;1391910159;nubbins`;sure 491656;1391910163;mircea_popescu;the reality underneath. who said they must have "faucets" ? 491657;1391910166;mircea_popescu;what IS a faucet ? 491658;1391910171;nubbins`;you used to find the same thing in group buy threads too 491659;1391910171;mircea_popescu;why pools ? why x y z 491660;1391910186;mircea_popescu;if you look at it unbiased it's shockingly organised, and arbitrarily so 491661;1391910190;nubbins`;really it just boils down to people doing copypasta because they can't be fucked to figure out how to structure a post 491662;1391910195;mircea_popescu;the fucking threads spell Schelling like a poem 491663;1391910216;nubbins`;in their defense, why reinvent the wheel? 491664;1391910267;nubbins`;anyway, you'd suppose the rest has some sort of purpose 491665;1391910269;mircea_popescu;indeed. i was not presuming to argue, merely observe. 491666;1391910278;nubbins`;e.g. if there's no faucet, nobody but a couple miners are gonna bother to play with it 491667;1391910281;nubbins`;sure 491668;1391910305;mircea_popescu;no argument it has purpose, but the structure and therefore the convention and meaning imo far exceeds the purpose 491669;1391910326;nubbins`;there's a purpose? ;p 491670;1391910340;mircea_popescu;well obviously. 491671;1391910341;mircea_popescu;food. 491672;1391910359;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00549999 = 0.143 BTC [+] {4} 491673;1391910367;nubbins`;i stepped into the altcoin announcement sub the other day. had to go back like six fuckin pages to see a thread that wasn't last updated "Today"! 491674;1391910375;mircea_popescu;ayup 491675;1391910420;nubbins`;alts are like cabbage patch kids 491676;1391910448;mircea_popescu;definitely. 491677;1391910453;mircea_popescu;and those are a linguistic artefact. 491678;1391910473;mircea_popescu;which is why i don't argue, it'd be like insisting "barracks" should be spelled "kaserne" 491679;1391910562;nubbins`;oo, canadian snowboarder just smacked his tailbone 491680;1391910692;nubbins`;"i can't even explain how difficult these tricks are" says the cbc announcer 491681;1391910698;nubbins`;OK COOL MAN DON'T EVEN TRY 491682;1391910777;mircea_popescu;he's just the announcer. 491683;1391910785;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00300001 = 0.15 BTC [-] 491684;1391911212;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 0.36336265 BTC to 9`595 shares, 3787 satoshi per share 491685;1391911700;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.07249999 = 0.29 BTC [-] {3} 491686;1391911944;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13923 @ 0.00015697 = 2.1855 BTC [-] {2} 491687;1391912310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.0008596 = 29.9571 BTC [+] {3} 491688;1391913225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00086324 = 4.791 BTC [+] {2} 491689;1391913286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5966 @ 0.00015744 = 0.9393 BTC [+] {2} 491690;1391913591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00086357 = 24.5254 BTC [+] {2} 491691;1391913642;BingoBoingo;There's a sane noob of the month award now? Must be getting some better noobs. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=401481.msg5025034#msg5025034 491692;1391913666;Duffer1;i think that's a Crumbs sock 491693;1391913685;BingoBoingo;Crumbs need socks nao? 491694;1391913835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65858 @ 0.00085637 = 56.3988 BTC [-] {2} 491695;1391913972;mircea_popescu;srsly ?> 491696;1391914079;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1452 @ 0.00016996 = 0.2468 BTC [+] {7} 491697;1391914085;Mats_cd03;.bait 491698;1391914450;pankkake;yes, it's crumbs. he's banned 491699;1391914507;diametric;i can't wait until mtgox completely dies 491700;1391914510;diametric;the drama will be glorious 491701;1391914569;KRS-One;word 491702;1391914573;Mats_cd03;what is dead will never die 491703;1391914592;KRS-One;where would we trade our magic: the gathering warez then 491704;1391914684;diametric;how great would that be if thats what it reverted back to 491705;1391914696;diametric;and they start offering refunds of btc in "equal valued" magic cards 491706;1391914833;mircea_popescu; what is dead will never die <<< this, basically. 491707;1391914861;mircea_popescu;bfl is in the same situation, the entire bitcoin foundation structure is basically... that. 491708;1391914867;Mats_cd03;cant get rid of aids man 491709;1391914882;mircea_popescu;even bitcoinica is still technically alive 491710;1391914888;diametric;so many people think the bitcoin foundation is in charge of bitcoin 491711;1391914889;diametric;its hilarious 491712;1391914893;mircea_popescu;the people responsible very much going around talking about things as if. 491713;1391915275;jayk;my investor had the right idea 491714;1391915285;jayk;he wantd to fly out to bfly had have a tour 491715;1391915292;jayk;however, they never returned a phone call or email 491716;1391915312;jayk;in the end no money was ever delivered to them for product 491717;1391915555;Diablo-D3;lol 491718;1391915635;jayk;i doubt a kansas city mega cloudhashing center exists for them 491719;1391915648;jayk;prolly see an exec run 491720;1391916153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00085368 = 22.7933 BTC [-] {2} 491721;1391916702;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5799 BTC [-] 491722;1391916885;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.122 BTC [+] 491723;1391917190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22292 @ 0.00085506 = 19.061 BTC [+] {2} 491724;1391917373;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 120 @ 0.00086899 = 0.1043 BTC [+] {2} 491725;1391917474;herbijudlestoids;hullo 491726;1391917617;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0735 = 0.147 BTC [+] 491727;1391917679;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.5898 = 5.898 BTC [+] {2} 491728;1391917722;KRS-One;hey 491729;1391917724;KRS-One;.bait 491730;1391917726;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/83fdda639ed8280cd435af5f3fa12931/tumblr_mt6976JcPN1suh0oto1_1280.jpg 491731;1391917739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1225 BTC [+] 491732;1391917745;KRS-One;ah damn, i'll geek her up...fawk. 491733;1391917800;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+] 491734;1391917983;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+] 491735;1391918105;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+] 491736;1391918228;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7500 @ 0.0001833 = 1.3748 BTC [+] {5} 491737;1391918288;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.00018888 = 0.1322 BTC [+] 491738;1391918289;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1225 = 0.245 BTC [+] 491739;1391918349;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0735 = 0.147 BTC [+] 491740;1391918655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15701 @ 0.00086164 = 13.5286 BTC [+] 491741;1391918715;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1423 @ 0.00018898 = 0.2689 BTC [+] {5} 491742;1391918837;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.122 BTC [-] 491743;1391918959;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59 = 1.18 BTC [+] {2} 491744;1391918960;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.00550116 = 0.4236 BTC [+] {4} 491745;1391918961;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00019922 = 1.9922 BTC [+] {8} 491746;1391919020;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 130 @ 0.00571048 = 0.7424 BTC [+] {8} 491747;1391919325;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+] 491748;1391919386;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 102 @ 0.00583246 = 0.5949 BTC [+] {6} 491749;1391919447;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+] 491750;1391919569;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 89 @ 0.00584539 = 0.5202 BTC [+] {2} 491751;1391919630;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59391484 = 1.1878 BTC [+] {2} 491752;1391919813;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 139 @ 0.0055 = 0.7645 BTC 491753;1391920057;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59391484 = 1.1878 BTC [+] {2} 491754;1391920728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00085921 = 21.8239 BTC [-] 491755;1391921216;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59385 BTC [-] 491756;1391921217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1858 @ 0.00085921 = 1.5964 BTC [-] 491757;1391922802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00085401 = 12.0415 BTC [-] 491758;1391923046;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59397969 = 1.7819 BTC [+] {2} 491759;1391923595;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59 = 1.77 BTC [-] 491760;1391923656;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12 BTC [-] 491761;1391923839;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.118 BTC [-] 491762;1391923900;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.117 BTC [-] 491763;1391924022;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2920 @ 0.0002 = 0.584 BTC [+] {2} 491764;1391926150;KRS-One;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTBbAMGenn0 491765;1391926151;ozbot;DJ Khaled - Born N Raised - YouTube 491766;1391926157;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.59 = 5.31 BTC [-] 491767;1391926158;KRS-One;Gotta represent fo my city 491768;1391926523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20279 @ 0.00085422 = 17.3227 BTC [+] {2} 491769;1391926523;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.5939797 = 4.1579 BTC [+] 491770;1391927865;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59 = 1.18 BTC [-] 491771;1391927926;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 3000 @ 0.0055 = 16.5 BTC 491772;1391928048;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1650 @ 0.0002 = 0.33 BTC [+] 491773;1391929086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 750 @ 0.00085452 = 0.6409 BTC [+] 491774;1391929281;Omu;Hi guys,I have just discovered a new bitcoin faucet online that gives you FREE BITCOINS every 24 HOURS. Check this link:http://www.qoinpro.com/31f2d6d157a86aa26adb9ac19a51212a(This is my referral link)More shares = more bitcoins in your wallet. Referral Payout Structure (How much you receive) The more direct Level 1 referrals you have, the more you earn every day 491775;1391929290;Omu;Hi guys,I have just discovered a new bitcoin faucet online that gives you FREE BITCOINS every 24 HOURS. Check this link:http://www.qoinpro.com/31f2d6d157a86aa26adb9ac19a51212a(This is my referral link)More shares = more bitcoins in your wallet. Referral Payout Structure (How much you receive) The more direct Level 1 referrals you have, the more you earn every day 491776;1391929817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28797 @ 0.00085491 = 24.6188 BTC [+] {2} 491777;1391930244;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2002 @ 0.00020084 = 0.4021 BTC [+] {3} 491778;1391930366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3703 @ 0.00085776 = 3.1763 BTC [+] 491779;1391931952;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 154 @ 0.00594281 = 0.9152 BTC [+] {8} 491780;1391932054;kakobrekla;hi 491781;1391932257;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.119 BTC [+] 491782;1391932388;theo;hey 491783;1391932562;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 532 @ 0.00021 = 0.1117 BTC [+] 491784;1391932783;KRS-One;sup 491785;1391932785;KRS-One;.bait 491786;1391932787;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5t7moCjZl1ruqfv1o1_500.jpg 491787;1391932812;KRS-One;wtf hips , probable dumpy ass. 491788;1391932867;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.04999999 = 0.15 BTC [+] {2} 491789;1391933446;KRS-One;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjCDeXXvTTc 491790;1391933448;ozbot;Sublime - KRS One - YouTube 491791;1391933577;kakobrekla;not much, another day another bitcoin 491792;1391934106;kakobrekla;here, a song for you KRS-One https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IROWHnoch9Q 491793;1391934109;KRS-One;ok 491794;1391934122;KRS-One;finishing prodigy-smack my bitch up atm 2 min left 491795;1391934130;KRS-One;prolly have to smoke a cig after this 491796;1391934135;KRS-One;hey kakobrekla u a sysadmin right 491797;1391934137;KRS-One;kinda 491798;1391934179;kakobrekla;i do nothing and everything 491799;1391934331;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.00021003 = 0.8401 BTC [-] {4} 491800;1391934343;KRS-One;so like my nephew has huge email list he wants to use as email addresses for submitting forms to some websites-he says i would need thousands of ip addresses and spoofed browser info so the servers dont get filtered/banned, wants it to look legit. he says we just gotta repopulate the email address and automate the click process.. 491801;1391934373;KRS-One;i say theres much more to it than that, was going to suggest a threaded C program..but im not sure we would need so many ip addresses instead of a well known email host 491802;1391934386;KRS-One;maybe throttle the submissions a bit..idk.. any input 491803;1391934433;kakobrekla;yeah, go find something more legitimate to do 491804;1391934446;KRS-One;yeh its some grayhat bs 491805;1391934469;KRS-One;it actually is legit, he does internet marketing 491806;1391934478;KRS-One;problem is it wouldnt look legit to admins 491807;1391934494;KRS-One;thx anyway 491808;1391934511;KRS-One;underground cock? 491809;1391934516;KRS-One;.bait 491810;1391934518;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m87317ZOey1qd80g3o1_400.jpg 491811;1391934539;KRS-One;I have a pretty open mind when it comes to music, but wtf is this some borat shit? 491812;1391934565;KRS-One;Bulgaria 491813;1391934574;kakobrekla;nah 491814;1391934582;KRS-One;very instrumental 491815;1391934583;kakobrekla;its not bulgaria 491816;1391934591;KRS-One;no? 491817;1391934623;KRS-One;kind of reminds me of the hardcore Cuban music I get exposed to here..they're very instrumental, trumpets, drums, etc. 491818;1391934672;KRS-One;what would this be considered? Popular music? Even for younger folks? 491819;1391934674;kakobrekla;its a sountrack for a movie 491820;1391934683;KRS-One;oh ya i could see that 491821;1391934729;KRS-One;u listen to this? 491822;1391934736;kakobrekla;no, younger folks listen to shit you paste 491823;1391934742;kakobrekla;i do! 491824;1391934776;KRS-One;I listened to it, thanks. Its very different for me. 491825;1391934796;kakobrekla;:) 491826;1391934815;KRS-One;Feel free to send another one some time thats a bit different 491827;1391934841;KRS-One;Vexual sure has a wide range of tastes. I like checking out his links. 491828;1391934849;KRS-One;bbiaf smoke break 491829;1391935063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00085452 = 10.9379 BTC [-] 491830;1391935270;kakobrekla;something different? here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAWW-jTcxa8 491831;1391935472;kakobrekla;hows that? 491832;1391935584;KRS-One;just clicked on it 491833;1391935586;KRS-One;heh wtf 491834;1391935661;kakobrekla;ok maybe this one from the same band, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB_c4uni6Xg 491835;1391935751;KRS-One;sure is...different..these guys are real artists. 491836;1391935856;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5826 BTC [-] 491837;1391935940;theo;or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDSUu38rMmw 491838;1391935958;theo;The king maynard knows how to write music and damn he knows how to sing 491839;1391935973;KRS-One;Aw yeah theo 491840;1391935980;KRS-One;APC one of my fav's 491841;1391936013;KRS-One;Haven't listened to them in a while. 491842;1391936015;theo;KRS-one: they really are, i am amazed they haven't gained the famity of Tool as of yet. But time will tell. Got to see them live last year best experience ever 491843;1391936045;KRS-One;Very percussion like Tool. Both bands are tops with me. 491844;1391936055;kakobrekla;anywho, the point is, the utility of music yt links is so low on -assets i discourage them, strongly. 491845;1391936071;theo;Well maynard is in both and writes for both of them lol. 491846;1391936077;theo;Have you heard his 3rd side project? 491847;1391936083;KRS-One;sorry bout that kakobrekla 491848;1391936093;KRS-One;theo...no? 491849;1391936105;KRS-One;kakobrekla: maybe not so bad when theres nothing going on? 491850;1391936111;theo;wow. I will link you them. They take my breath away 491851;1391936119;KRS-One;oh cool plz do 491852;1391936121;theo;Is that ok kakobrekla? If i link a YT video? 491853;1391936220;theo;KRS-one: these guys are tool and APC combinded into a much better version me thinks my fav song is this one here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR3ccmWmLhk (its the anthem to my life or how i want to live) and this one is is just more calm and flowing but still amazing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0YxeTjFn70. (since k hasent answered il take the risk and link lol) 491854;1391936220;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 491855;1391936237;kakobrekla;now you made assbot upset. 491856;1391936247;theo;ahhhhhh not the @ss 491857;1391936268;KRS-One;navigating.. 491858;1391936294;KRS-One;Oh I've heard of pucifer 491859;1391936318;KRS-One;dig that bass guitar 491860;1391936328;theo;yeah maynard is the writer for tool APC and puscifer. Plus he also did some green jelly back in the 70's 491861;1391936342;theo;yeh and the deep voice. 491862;1391936361;kakobrekla;just think about people reading the logs when you type spam in this window thank you 491863;1391936370;KRS-One;ok kakobrekla 491864;1391936400;theo;no problems :). Mind you i read the logs sometimes and there is a lot of spam always lol. 491865;1391936408;kakobrekla;keep up the good work! 491866;1391936414;KRS-One;This is good stuff..adding to my collection. 491867;1391936422;KRS-One;Thanks a lot theo 491868;1391936445;theo;KRS-one: your welcome brother i can link you on to many other similar bands that are small time or for some reason no one knows :) 491869;1391936454;theo;let me know what you think of the humbling 491870;1391936459;KRS-One;funny, i used to get exposed to different music when i'd download mp3's from livewire and what not when i would check out other music peopl ehad 491871;1391936469;KRS-One;thats what im listening to now 491872;1391936491;KRS-One;theo: me and Vexual trade links from time to time and b.s. 491873;1391936521;KRS-One;the humbling seems pretty powerful 491874;1391936528;KRS-One;i love it 491875;1391936545;theo;yeh same here the only way i now get exposed to new music is through my DJ friends and a recording label i hang at. Otherwise it would take so long to go through everything. 491876;1391936564;theo;Yeah the build up and just the lyrics "the hands of the many must join as one. and Together we will cross the river" 491877;1391936581;KRS-One;i go on undernet #mp3passion to download mp3's sometimes i watch the traffic go by and check out different stuff..kinda works for me. 491878;1391936602;KRS-One;Momma sed much better, maybe its my current mood 491879;1391936624;KRS-One;ya the build up 491880;1391936630;theo;if you ever want up and coming Australian bands i have to many of them. lol. Yeah momma sed to me is how i think all men should act. just a good set of lyrics 491881;1391936648;KRS-One;good stuff dude 491882;1391936650;theo;il send 1 other link and see what you think very different music again 491883;1391936663;kakobrekla;get a room you two 491884;1391936695;theo;will you come? 491885;1391936695;theo;http://bossmoxi.bandcamp.com/ 491886;1391936696;ozbot;Boss Moxi 491887;1391936726;theo;this is my favorite band at the moment (though i am bias as its one of my best friends band) 491888;1391936745;theo;k no more spam thanks for tollerating it kakobrekla 491889;1391936777;KRS-One;ok see ya kakobrekla 491890;1391936832;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.07202942 = 1.2245 BTC [-] {3} 491891;1391937503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00085566 = 12.022 BTC [+] 491892;1391937564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24150 @ 0.00085452 = 20.6367 BTC [-] 491893;1391938479;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2342 @ 0.00021002 = 0.4919 BTC [-] {3} 491894;1391938540;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7000 @ 0.00021 = 1.47 BTC [-] 491895;1391938661;Namworld;Can someone explain me why CasinoBitcoin is trading at 27 years of profits? 491896;1391938845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32650 @ 0.00085617 = 27.954 BTC [+] 491897;1391939272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8243 @ 0.00085624 = 7.058 BTC [+] {2} 491898;1391939516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00085452 = 20.6794 BTC [-] 491899;1391939577;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1627 @ 0.00085344 = 1.3885 BTC [-] 491900;1391940126;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0734 = 0.2202 BTC [+] 491901;1391940187;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0735 = 0.147 BTC [+] 491902;1391940188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4993 @ 0.00085642 = 4.2761 BTC [+] 491903;1391941102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9962 @ 0.00085998 = 8.5671 BTC [+] {2} 491904;1391941346;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6705 @ 0.0008568 = 5.7448 BTC [-] 491905;1391941725;theo;So MPEX can it actually be trusted? 491906;1391941784;Namworld;Why wouldn't it be trustable? 491907;1391941814;Namworld;It's the one with the longest history. 491908;1391941837;theo;Well the owner of the exchange is very adament that he will never be found and you can do what you like to try and track it 491909;1391941848;theo;I do realise it has a long history. But so have some of the biggest ponzi schemes 491910;1391941877;Namworld;That he will never be found? Where the heck have you read that? 491911;1391941900;kakobrekla;lulz 491912;1391941919;Namworld;He's quite public and vocal about what he does. 491913;1391941935;kakobrekla;theo me and a couple of other on this chan found him last year! 491914;1391941950;theo;really 491915;1391941956;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55572305 BTC [-] 491916;1391941957;kakobrekla;mhm 491917;1391941960;theo;ok. I just read on a few reddit topics and other things 491918;1391941990;Namworld;I would certainly like a link for a laugh. 491919;1391941993;kakobrekla;yes, reddit, the finance cream of the crop 491920;1391942092;Namworld;Whatever those reddits thread said, I'm sure they were innacurate. 491921;1391942104;theo;I agree hence why i was asking here to see others opinions. 491922;1391942109;Namworld;The owner can be pretty provocative/be vocal with unpopular opinions. 491923;1391942128;Namworld;It gets a lot of people quite pissed about him. 491924;1391942140;theo;But at the end of the day he is pretty straight up about business? 491925;1391942148;Namworld;But as far as business goes, it's been solid. 491926;1391942179;Namworld;Longest lasting exchange. No screw ups. Pretty secure wallet too. 491927;1391942189;theo;Alright thank's i have been looking at it as an option to trade on, just hesitent as 25 BTC is not so smaller investment nowdays 491928;1391942240;Namworld;It was more fun when SatoshiDice traded on there. I have an account, that I don't use that much anymore, sadly. 491929;1391942268;Namworld;SatoshiDice is now quite dead however. And not listed anywhere anyway. 491930;1391942281;kakobrekla;theo, coinbr 491931;1391942316;theo;coinbr is that the company that lets you trade on them through them as a proxie? and only charges a fee 491932;1391942338;kakobrekla;yea jurov runs that 491933;1391942344;Namworld;Yes, you should sign up on coinbr if you don't want to put 25 BTC 491934;1391942387;Namworld;Both coinbr and mpex are in a good legal jurisdiction for that short of things. 491935;1391942566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32467 @ 0.00086138 = 27.9664 BTC [+] {2} 491936;1391942683;moiety;isn't it 30btc? 491937;1391942870;kakobrekla;25 for those who can read 491938;1391943008;moiety;why didn't he say himself when they were discussing it being 30 then 491939;1391943071;Namworld;25 for those with a MPEx referral 491940;1391943080;kakobrekla;yes its 30, but if you posses the skill of reading level 7 or higher, its 25 491941;1391943128;moiety;oh lol i thought you were just meaning i'd read it wrong kakobrekla! XD lol 491942;1391943274;kakobrekla;Namworld but referral numbers are lying around 491943;1391943309;kakobrekla;so reading comprehension is what its needed 491944;1391943327;random_cat;you think jurov has one? :D 491945;1391943350;kakobrekla;or maybe people who listed things on mpex 491946;1391943360;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.00020501 = 0.82 BTC [-] {5} 491947;1391943431;FabianB;and lots of ppl hanging around here 491948;1391943500;kakobrekla;what im saying you dont even have to leave mpex page to get one 491949;1391943502;Namworld;I have one. First result on google for MPEx referral. 491950;1391943510;Namworld;You have to search for it a bit however. 491951;1391944030;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1195 BTC [+] 491952;1391944091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29782 @ 0.00086248 = 25.6864 BTC [+] {2} 491953;1391944274;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 491954;1391944396;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 71 @ 0.00307539 = 0.2184 BTC [+] {3} 491955;1391945128;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2238 @ 0.00020501 = 0.4588 BTC [-] {2} 491956;1391945189;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3045 @ 0.000205 = 0.6242 BTC [-] 491957;1391945433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.00086243 = 31.0475 BTC [-] {3} 491958;1391945555;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.073987 = 0.148 BTC [+] 491959;1391945677;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+] {2} 491960;1391945678;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 69 @ 0.0054002 = 0.3726 BTC [-] {4} 491961;1391945738;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 46 @ 0.59702253 = 27.463 BTC [+] {15} 491962;1391945799;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3717 @ 0.00019011 = 0.7066 BTC [-] {5} 491963;1391946226;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00086294 = 13.807 BTC [+] 491964;1391946348;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0743995 = 0.4464 BTC [+] 491965;1391946409;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0744 = 0.2232 BTC [+] 491966;1391946531;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 900 @ 0.00082525 = 0.7427 BTC [-] {11} 491967;1391946533;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.19376446 = 5.8129 BTC [+] 491968;1391946775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00086349 = 3.713 BTC [+] {2} 491969;1391947812;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00565838 = 0.5658 BTC [+] {6} 491970;1391948448;jurov;hi all 491971;1391948472;jurov;and it's simple. if you register without referral, 0.2% goes to me 491972;1391948492;jurov;to coinbr 491973;1391948589;jurov;and having the invitation code is not compulsory, that was only for a month or so 491974;1391948809;jurov;random_cat, theo : one referral number to MPEx is there in plain sight: http://explo.yt/post/2014/01/13/MPEx%3A-The-Missing-Manual 491975;1391948910;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 491976;1391948985;theo;yeh i have already seen that site with the referall and manuals. Tis what got me more interested in MPEX Though i am not sure that they really offer anything i would invest into other then the derivatives scheme they offer as a baseline 491977;1391949035;jurov;well, for example both S.NSA and S.MG are making solid progress and are expected to ship imminently 491978;1391949068;jurov;but i don't know, what you want exactly? 491979;1391949070;theo;The only thing is that the profits from the website itself would have to be more then the 25 BTC i Invest and the additional funds i would invest after the origional down payment 491980;1391949119;jurov;during what timespan? 491981;1391949122;theo;Well currently i am quiet happy with havelock the only thing is that they don't have a large selection to choose from, well at least a large selection i believe could do well as buisness 491982;1391949143;theo;in the end i am a mid-long term investment. Dont usually have time for short term trading as i have a family 491983;1391949230;jurov;if you are sure havelock will be there mid-long term...then stay there 491984;1391949270;theo;What are your thought's? do you think they will? 491985;1391949283;jurov;imo they are going to end up like glbse/bf/btct, if a bit slower 491986;1391949300;theo;alright 491987;1391949304;theo;why is that? 491988;1391949318;theo;they have SFI which to me was a big thumbs up in my mind a IPO that raised 2 million 491989;1391949329;jurov;it's clear at least once cavirtex did what they did 491990;1391949329;theo;and that has 3 companies being mentioned in mass media 491991;1391949403;kakobrekla;because investing is all about mass media! 491992;1391949460;jurov;and name me some stocks there that have detailed monthly reports and clear signed agreements like mpex carries 491993;1391949476;theo;herpa derp, no it has little to do with mass media... But what i was implying is that if a incubator company that has 3 of there companies being mentioned in media a) it will do well. and b) in my mind it makes me think that there may be some more creedence to the website 491994;1391949512;theo;Honestly i can't hence why i am asking for advice and your opinions about such things 491995;1391949554;jurov;did you invest into doge, then? it has mass media powers 491996;1391949555;theo;CBTC seem pretty up front providing reports bi-monthly 491997;1391949565;theo;no i never did 491998;1391949576;theo;and never would thats a different type of investing 491999;1391949585;jurov;yes, that's one. 492000;1391949618;theo;there are only 3 companies i invest in there 492001;1391949631;theo;and the only 3 i have are the ones that seem to be transperent and have good communication. 492002;1391949644;theo;CBTC, RENT and SFI 492003;1391949647;kakobrekla;CBTC does monthly statements? 492004;1391949652;kakobrekla;that might explain "CasinoBitcoin is trading at 27 years of profits" 492005;1391949662;kakobrekla;lol 492006;1391949664;theo;bi-monthly they update the google doc 492007;1391949701;theo;https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2SWZWkGJ1V3UEo0Q0lESk5nd0k&usp=sharing the google doc they have. Updated twice a month 492008;1391949703;ozbot;CasinoBitco.in - Public 492009;1391949782;theo;https://www.havelockinvestments.com/reports.php updated each month by there company 492010;1391949844;theo;So right now it seems more like your making fun of my questions and what i think then providing any reasoning other then MPEX has been there ages and you should use my company to trade on it for my profit. Seriously great IRC. 492011;1391949872;jurov;theo can you pinpoint where i'm mocking you? 492012;1391949887;theo; did you invest into doge, then? it has mass media powers\ 492013;1391949903;theo;that to me is a jab at me, and many would take it as such 492014;1391949914;jurov;it was my honest opinion, you asked for 492015;1391949931;theo;I didn't ask about mass media or about dodge. 492016;1391949975;jurov;... 492017;1391949980;theo;I asked about your opinion on mpex and havelock. 492018;1391950054;jurov;and you reasoned by mass media coverage 492019;1391950064;jurov;i took that almost as joke 492020;1391950079;jurov;and replied accordingly 492021;1391950084;theo;I didn't use that as any reasoning idiot read back 492022;1391950100;theo;I used the IPO of SFI as reasoning and side noted that there companies had recieved mass media. 492023;1391950112;theo;That is not reasoning. it was a side note 492024;1391950146;jurov;so it's your side noted against my "jabs" then 492025;1391950248;theo;Yawn. I came on here looking for good info and maybe a nice convo, all your providing is arguments and yes you did make a "jab" Now we are arguing semantics for no reason. I asked your's / anyone elses advice on havelock and MPEX and all i got was a hey you should use my company as thats a hefty fee 492026;1391950289;theo;now your being a real dick so putting a great vibe out for your company thanks for making sure i tell everyone never to use yours :) 492027;1391950317;jurov;no need to hyperventilate 492028;1391950323;kakobrekla;lol 492029;1391950345;theo;how does one hyperventilate on the internet? 492030;1391950393;kakobrekla;we are not here to convince you into anything 492031;1391950434;theo;I didn't say you were, i just thought people would actually be nice and maybe give advice instead of being dicks 492032;1391950435;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 718 @ 0.00086193 = 0.6189 BTC [-] 492033;1391950435;kakobrekla;o look its herby 492034;1391950466;kakobrekla;no free advice when it comes to money 492035;1391950487;theo;Actually there is a lot, no good advice is free usually 492036;1391950496;jurov;what kind of advice did you want? i say, mass media is irrelevant when coming to btc investment, you call me idiot 492037;1391950520;jurov;just because i said it in funny way 492038;1391950569;theo;Really it is irreleveant? how about go look at the company who made BTCtrader performed on the stock market the day they announced there beta ended? or how about the casino company who announced they were making a exchange? both stocks went up by 5-10% in a single day thats called mass media arround BTC affecting the world 492039;1391950613;theo;And furthering that Mass media is what has driven bitcoin to the point it is. If reddit hadn't started accepting it when they did i betchya we would not be at this point yet 492040;1391950618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00086125 = 10.2489 BTC [-] 492041;1391950619;jurov;but you said you're in for medium to long term.. or was it a side nmote,, too? 492042;1391950634;theo;semantics again. 492043;1391950634;herbijudlestoids;hullo kakobrekla 492044;1391950637;herbijudlestoids;hullo jurov 492045;1391950654;herbijudlestoids;theo: what advice did you want from these dicks 492046;1391950683;theo;I was asking about havelock and MPEX. Why jurov though that havelock would go down like so many of the other security exchanges 492047;1391950708;herbijudlestoids;theo: i think the general perception around here is they are in it for the hype, ergo its unsustainable 492048;1391950735;theo;Ok so not actually to do with legal reasons etc? 492049;1391950736;jurov;because havelock does not uphold any standards and it's up to issuers. i can't say that clearer 492050;1391950747;herbijudlestoids;they list "businesses", MPex prides itself on only listing what it deems to actually have a business model 492051;1391950788;theo;jurov i think thats a bit backwards as they do have standards. Otherwise they would have a fuck load more IPO as they reject a lot as well. 492052;1391950795;theo;They just might not have good standards 492053;1391950802;theo;Ok thank you herbu 492054;1391950804;theo;herbi* 492055;1391950835;taub;ahaha i didn't even look into dogecoin closely until now 492056;1391950838;taub;but it's such a scam wow 492057;1391950844;taub;meme driven pump and dump 492058;1391950855;taub;only use is mine and sell ? 492059;1391950864;taub;unlimited cions 492060;1391950868;herbijudlestoids;theo: there have been some good examples shown iirc, you can trawl the logs if you wish 492061;1391950883;theo;will do 492062;1391950921;theo;whats your opinion herbi? are you also of the opinion that havelock will crumble and fall? The only reason i have some faith in havelock is there investment of SFI which was able to raise 2 million 492063;1391950923;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.00300242 = 0.3333 BTC [-] {4} 492064;1391951045;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0745 = 0.298 BTC [+] 492065;1391951106;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.075 = 0.45 BTC [+] 492066;1391951107;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00086125 = 20.5839 BTC [-] 492067;1391951350;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6 = 2.4 BTC [+] 492068;1391951411;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [+] 492069;1391951594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14982 @ 0.00086125 = 12.9032 BTC [-] 492070;1391951628;herbijudlestoids;theo: no specific opinion, tho if i wanted to build an exchange it would look more like mpex and less like havelock 492071;1391951696;theo;Alright thank's :). If i wanted to build a exchange i think i would touch up on it from MPEX or at least the front end lol. And also his personal skills 492072;1391951794;herbijudlestoids;thats because you think like a very small fish 492073;1391951813;herbijudlestoids;MPEX is conceptually equivalent to a large scale exchange on the order of NYSE or CME 492074;1391951829;herbijudlestoids;the frontend is irrelevent to the end user and in those cases is absolutely not exposed 492075;1391951837;herbijudlestoids;users of the system interact with the exchange through brokerage 492076;1391951847;theo;agreed 492077;1391951869;herbijudlestoids;so? the frontend has really nothing to do with it, nor his personal skills 492078;1391951886;herbijudlestoids;hell give you a seat on the exchange for 30BTC 492079;1391952067;theo;Well i think you do miss some idea. The majority of stocks sold on the exchanges like Dow Jones or Nasdaq are used through brokerages because the majority of people do not have the technical know how on how to use a system or have the time to learn how its used. So if I were making a exchange i would do an idea of both providing one like his, with the ability to be your own brokerage and hence if people wanted charge a additio 492080;1391952082;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1200 @ 0.00021997 = 0.264 BTC [+] 492081;1391952091;theo;though thats just me 492082;1391952302;herbijudlestoids;theo: i dont miss any idea. not everyone needs a seat on the exchange. you do not understand the concept of an exchange. 492083;1391952304;herbijudlestoids;brb 492084;1391952316;jurov;theo your text was too long, got cut on "wanted charge a additio" 492085;1391952326;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.0735 = 1.8375 BTC [-] 492086;1391952371;herbijudlestoids;back 492087;1391952387;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.07319999 = 0.366 BTC [-] {4} 492088;1391952418;jurov;herbijudlestoids: you understood what theo has in mind? 492089;1391952456;herbijudlestoids;jurov: i dont think he has fully thought it through, he just sees some smalltime webservice which lets poncy little stocks that go nowhere list 492090;1391952505;jurov;butbutbut.. it's covered by media!!! *sigh* 492091;1391952617;herbijudlestoids;theo: what i suggest is if you think the existing thing has deficiencies that you can overcome, make your own thing and people will flock to it 492092;1391952620;herbijudlestoids;youll be rich in no time 492093;1391952875;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.598 BTC [-] 492094;1391952936;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.60349997 = 10.863 BTC [+] {4} 492095;1391952997;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+] 492096;1391953306;theo;Well to be honest i don't think he has done amazingly well what with the securities options someone in a post said that he had to pay out pretty much his whole years profits as people bet on the rising price and he had to pay / she 492097;1391953306;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 492098;1391953325;theo;But right now i am not sure as i am still researching 492099;1391953535;jurov;http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-april-2013-statement/ theo you mean this? 492100;1391953536;ozbot;MPOE, April 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 492101;1391953541;herbijudlestoids;theo: now i get why mircea_popescu is so short...because people are so fucken dumb 492102;1391953557;jurov;http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-march-2013-statement/ no it was this 492103;1391953560;herbijudlestoids;you just read some shit, you really have no clue and form your opinions based on dumb shit 492104;1391953560;ozbot;MPOE, March 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 492105;1391953637;theo;No herbi maybe i am trying to make a informed opinion on these exchanges based on limited information. 492106;1391953650;davout;ohai 492107;1391953665;jurov;theo then ask for information, not for opinions. there *is* info. 492108;1391953674;theo;I don't have an opinion as of yet and am asking questions from those who seem to be knowledgeable 492109;1391953790;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 492110;1391953791;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12 = 0.48 BTC [+] 492111;1391953815;theo;thank you for the links jurov 492112;1391953832;theo;that was what i was refering to and that provided a much more indepth view into what was mentioned on a forum 492113;1391953926;herbijudlestoids;theo: lol so basically you required to be spoonfed info which is available on mpex directly 492114;1391954020;jurov;tbh, it's not easy to discover, i used http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ too 492115;1391954039;jurov;on the other hand, i do link btcalpha from the manual 492116;1391954094;herbijudlestoids;jurov: err, goto mpex.co, click on S.MPOE, top of the page is "Monthly statements available here" 492117;1391954202;jurov;oh my i forgot.. call ne noob :) 492118;1391954279;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4500 @ 0.00021997 = 0.9899 BTC [+] {5} 492119;1391954584;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+] 492120;1391954585;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00086105 = 29.1035 BTC [-] {2} 492121;1391954814;ThickAsThieves;mornin gents 492122;1391954820;mircea_popescu;heya 492123;1391954841;mircea_popescu;KRS-One dude, seriously ? spamming ? nephew ? 492124;1391954878;herbijudlestoids;teehee 492125;1391954881;herbijudlestoids;i am mining teh altcoin 492126;1391954888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00086385 = 23.5831 BTC [+] {2} 492127;1391954891;mircea_popescu;lol 492128;1391954899;mircea_popescu;you getting any blox ? 492129;1391954922;herbijudlestoids;im on the coinminer.net pool...just detected a new block a few mins ago 492130;1391954973;mircea_popescu;theo are you like retarded ? about a dozen people in this room found me just fine wtf. 492131;1391954993;mircea_popescu;ow crap, now i'm talking to ignored people off the chatlog. 492132;1391955004;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids real men solomine! 492133;1391955017;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: i had a small mining rig, 1.6GH/s but one day my USB hub died and difficulty was going up so i never bothered to restore the setup...tonight i thought i would plug it back in for ATC 492134;1391955037;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: well since there is no source for ATC out, its hard for me to use my little ASICs to do anything except with cgminer 492135;1391955060;herbijudlestoids;new block 492136;1391955062;mircea_popescu;yeah actually, the happenstance of btc and the particular usb implementation some miner manufacturers happened to use really exposed a lot of crap the usb manufacturers were hiding under the rug for years 492137;1391955079;ThickAsThieves; mircea_popescu: well since there is no source for ATC out -- source is in the thread 492138;1391955085;ThickAsThieves;i'll post link to main website today 492139;1391955091;mircea_popescu;it's one of those age old stories in industry "ah, who's ever gonna know" then 2 years later... bam someone burntests your shit on a large scale 492140;1391955102;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: ah ok, how much work do i need to do to get these lil buggers to mine on it? 492141;1391955112;ThickAsThieves;https://github.com/therealaltcoin/altcoin 492142;1391955116;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids think of it this way : all the work you do is training. 492143;1391955132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1318 @ 0.00086067 = 1.1344 BTC [-] 492144;1391955150;ThickAsThieves;can we tell people, don't play on testnet, play on Altcoin! 492145;1391955197;ThickAsThieves;herb i dunno how diff to set up mining, the source isn't much different other than some logos and stuff changed 492146;1391955198;mircea_popescu;kinda expensive by now for many tastes. 492147;1391955211;herbijudlestoids;ah ok, solo mining is not hard it seems, i just point cgminer to the altcoind 492148;1391955237;herbijudlestoids;i will have to recompile altcoind from source since i dont have 64bit installed on this laptop 492149;1391955254;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 895 @ 0.00300009 = 2.6851 BTC [-] {11} 492150;1391955257;herbijudlestoids;i should just get the lil rig back up and running 492151;1391955279;mircea_popescu;moiety the idea is in http://mpex.co/faq.html#13 and i didn't say anything because what am i to do, keep pasting the faq ? 492152;1391955303;mircea_popescu;but inasmuch as both you and your referrer get 5 btc, it could be argued the new account only costs 20 with a referrer. anyway. 492153;1391955320;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids you don't have 64bit installed ?! what ? 492154;1391955332;herbijudlestoids;well, the lappy only has 4gb of ram, so why bother? 492155;1391955346;mircea_popescu;o you mean the cpu is 64bit but you're using a 32bit os ? 492156;1391955347;herbijudlestoids;its a thinkpad x230, my bebbeh, i love it 492157;1391955349;herbijudlestoids;yeah 492158;1391955363;mircea_popescu;you know doing that actually slows it down because adressing and stuff ? 492159;1391955379;mircea_popescu;it's not just the addressable memory pool size that counts. 492160;1391955389;ThickAsThieves;fyi i have moiety ignored and i dont know why, probly a nickchange 492161;1391955396;herbijudlestoids;well lucky my entire workflow is encompassed by terminal, firefox, ssh, rdesktop and i dont notice ;) 492162;1391955407;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i've been extremely irc promiscuous this year. 492163;1391955436;moiety;hi mircea_popescu lol catching up? and nope they should go find it and read it in the first place. 492164;1391955442;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids "i didn't buy my bebbeh i love it any clothes because whatever, she's cold but my entire workflow consists of get in kitchen make me sammich" 492165;1391955448;ThickAsThieves;no wait i dont have ignored 492166;1391955454;ThickAsThieves;just couldnt findin log 492167;1391955459;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves so i'm promiscuous and you're confused. 492168;1391955463;moiety;btw guys i'm chipug, just using usual nick now 492169;1391955465;ThickAsThieves;lemme finish this coffee... 492170;1391955475;moiety;is that why you ignored me ThickAsThieves?! 492171;1391955480;ThickAsThieves;i didnt 492172;1391955492;mircea_popescu;whoa you ignored the girl ? you faggot! 492173;1391955499;ThickAsThieves;lol 492174;1391955507;moiety;lol kidding ThickAsThieves XD 492175;1391955525;ThickAsThieves;my wife, for like the first time ever, asked if there were girls in IRC 492176;1391955531;ThickAsThieves;like she had to ask the one week there is 492177;1391955539;mircea_popescu;i'm sort-of hoping one day some libertard finds this chan and is all "we must start a petition to have these people brought to justice! they said cunt!" 492178;1391955582;ThickAsThieves;I said "No, just guys pretending" 492179;1391955595;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: is the only peer in the DNS seed still down for ATC? when i tried earlier today it was giving me conn refused and i had to explicitly connect to an IP someone posted in the chan 492180;1391955599;mircea_popescu;Namworld: I have one. First result on google for MPEx referral. <<< ahaha epic. 492181;1391955599;herbijudlestoids;err thread 492182;1391955636;chetty;libtards can't irc. - requires reading and stuff 492183;1391955637;ThickAsThieves;herb, ask pankakke or the thread such questions, i'm just a weirdo in a clown suit 492184;1391955652;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: can you link me the src? 492185;1391955657;ThickAsThieves;i did 492186;1391955668;ThickAsThieves; https://github.com/therealaltcoin/altcoin 492187;1391955671;mircea_popescu;so i'm promiscuous, you're confused and this guy cnat raed. 492188;1391955672;ThickAsThieves;wait 492189;1391955673;ThickAsThieves;derp 492190;1391955678;ThickAsThieves;no wait 492191;1391955679;moiety;i love the language code of this channel 492192;1391955680;ThickAsThieves;it is 492193;1391955683;herbijudlestoids;thx 492194;1391955691;mircea_popescu;lmao 492195;1391955704;mircea_popescu;;;google chickenhawk "i scared myself" "i'm hunting a chicken" 492196;1391955705;gribble;Henery Hawk (Character) - Quotes - IMDb: ; Foghorn Leghorn (Character) - Quotes - IMDb: ; The Looney Tunes Show - Wikiquote: 492197;1391955708;pankkake;herbijudlestoids: it's my server and it's up. maybe it has trouble connecting to you 492198;1391955726;pankkake;no one offered IPs for me to add :( 492199;1391955744;mircea_popescu;wait, wait, pankkake i have incriminating evidence! 492200;1391955753;pankkake;maybe you can try 87.98.146.72 too 492201;1391955764;moiety;my pi dreams have been realised in email server form \o/ 492202;1391955772;herbijudlestoids;pankkake: im just recompiling from src will try shortly thx 492203;1391955784;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids: o shit yea i totally got a giant pool of IPs lol <<< 492204;1391955788;pankkake;oh, the current binaries don't have dns seeds 492205;1391955797;herbijudlestoids;pankkake: there is one in there 492206;1391955799;mircea_popescu;now herbi, share some ips for the glory of the altcoin! 492207;1391955804;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07660404 = 0.383 BTC [-] {3} 492208;1391955816;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: like you always say, good service costs BTC :P 492209;1391955826;herbijudlestoids;but yeah id probly be happy to share an IP or two 492210;1391955850;ThickAsThieves;traditionally altcoin bounties are paid in that coin 492211;1391955858;ThickAsThieves;:) 492212;1391955877;ThickAsThieves;tradition is the best empiricism right? 492213;1391955878;moiety;is it a bad idea to change email address of a gpg key for any reason? 492214;1391955890;mircea_popescu;yeah, i'll buy an ip for pankkake from you for 100 alt. 492215;1391955896;herbijudlestoids;haha 492216;1391955897;mircea_popescu;which pankkake will pay for me 492217;1391955905;ThickAsThieves;lol 492218;1391955912;mircea_popescu;by now this shit's roughly as complex as counterparty trade on any prop desk in london 492219;1391955950;pankkake;you made me do accounting, as the transaction list of bitcoin-qt sucks 492220;1391955973;mircea_popescu;wait, wait, pankkake i have incriminating evidence! 492221;1391956015;mircea_popescu;PierreCPA: Perhaps, though I think we'll call them "accounting system developers", accounting will be done entirely 100% by computers 492222;1391956022;mircea_popescu;aww shit the guy's not here 492223;1391956024;mircea_popescu;my evidence ;/ 492224;1391956044;ThickAsThieves;In case anyone missed it, yet cares, ASICMINER update: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg5025133#msg5025133 492225;1391956047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00085925 = 21.3953 BTC [-] 492226;1391956050;mircea_popescu;lmao 492227;1391956075;ThickAsThieves;"Depending on fab capacity. Total target is 10k to 40k wafers, relying on competitors, Bitcoin price, and other factors. A wafer is rated at 40 TH/s." 492228;1391956084;ThickAsThieves;that's for the year 492229;1391956086;ThickAsThieves;no 492230;1391956089;ThickAsThieves;for Gen3 492231;1391956092;ThickAsThieves;which maybe is the year 492232;1391956105;ThickAsThieves;which is actually Gen2 492233;1391956108;mircea_popescu;prolly the year. so they add at most 1.5 ph/s ? 492234;1391956115;ThickAsThieves;no way more 492235;1391956121;mircea_popescu;;;calc 40 * 40 492236;1391956121;gribble;1600 492237;1391956145;ThickAsThieves;sec3 492238;1391956145;mircea_popescu;o o wait, 1.6 exa 492239;1391956146;ThickAsThieves;sec 492240;1391956152;ThickAsThieves;yeah 492241;1391956176;ThickAsThieves;theyll basically sell as much as would be bought it sounds 492242;1391956182;mircea_popescu;and mine with the rest. 492243;1391956191;mircea_popescu;so if indeed they deliver pretty much everyone mining currently is screwed. 492244;1391956197;ThickAsThieves;yes 492245;1391956208;ThickAsThieves;or, bitcoin goes to $10000 492246;1391956212;ThickAsThieves;or whatever 492247;1391956248;mircea_popescu;so basically if bitcoiners had a 1 btc budged for killing people, it'd go ~1 btc to taking out friedcat and ~0 btc to taking out a bunch of tards in suits in the us self importantly yakking about regulation or whatever the fuck. 492248;1391956279;herbijudlestoids;pankkake: that 87.98.146.72 you pasted works :) 492249;1391956369;mircea_popescu;theo you obviously missed the part where mpex has about a million btc mkt cap listed, and the part where the largest ipos in the history of btc all happened on mpex 492250;1391956385;mircea_popescu;most importantly, the part you missed is http://trilema.com/2013/the-list-of-discontinued-assets-on-mpex/ 492251;1391956386;ThickAsThieves;of course most of those wafers will be mining Altcoin by then, so it works out 492252;1391956406;mircea_popescu;now go ask havelock exactly what a) the total bitcoin loss from all listed and closed companies is so far with them 492253;1391956428;mircea_popescu;and b) exactly what would be the average return of an investor who put in 1 btc over a basket of everything they had a year ago. 492254;1391956459;mircea_popescu;cause if you don't daytrade and have a family those are the questions that matter, not whether someone paid random unheard of "press" outfit fiddy bux to run their bs story about nothing. 492255;1391956482;herbijudlestoids;ok solo mining :) 492256;1391956496;mircea_popescu;as far as i know, out of all the folks pretending to be into bitcoin finance, the only person who was in the press is yours truly. 492257;1391956521;mircea_popescu;seeing how we don't count reports of having been arrested, doing dope or bs press releases. 492258;1391956532;mircea_popescu;i gotta stop reading these logs ;/ 492259;1391956572;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: tbh if you have been dealing with incessant queries from people with similar questions to theo then i can understand why you react the way you do to many things :P 492260;1391956597;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids it's deeper than that, i even have people to insulate me from it 492261;1391956617;mircea_popescu;but i'm a very unfortunate mix of volcanic personality and hands-right-into-the-grease mental model 492262;1391956624;herbijudlestoids;pankkake: did you just take that fucker down lol 492263;1391956643;pankkake;herbijudlestoids: yes. didn't you get any other connections? 492264;1391956657;herbijudlestoids;pankkake: seems not 492265;1391956672;pankkake;oh, sorry 492266;1391956682;herbijudlestoids;no its ok i will just use that other IP i found previously 492267;1391956684;mircea_popescu;you broke the alt ?! 492268;1391956695;mircea_popescu;this is wrecking! 492269;1391956698;pankkake;altcoin is too centralized! 492270;1391956715;mircea_popescu;omg thank you power ranger pancake for having fixed the blockchain with your powers! 492271;1391956731;mircea_popescu;you were like right here when you broke it and everything. 492272;1391956776;pankkake;that's how a lot of altcoins work :/ "oh we got 51% attacked again? let me fix it" 492273;1391956796;mircea_popescu;pankkake o, you weren't here back in march were you ? 492274;1391956811;pankkake;no :( 492275;1391956836;mircea_popescu;ah well. so that went like this : hearn changed the db structure in the new release without reading the old db code because fuck, he worked at google! 492276;1391956857;Apocalyptic;dat hearn... 492277;1391956861;mircea_popescu;upon push the blockchain split, all the traders on the old chain, all the fuckwits still at that point following their release cycle on a new chain 492278;1391956868;mircea_popescu;the split lasted for like half a day 492279;1391956881;mircea_popescu;and derps in -dev were all like omg you power ranger devs! you were right here! and fixed it! 492280;1391956885;mircea_popescu;my hero! 492281;1391956886;pankkake;oh, right, I remember that. didn't know it was hearn 492282;1391956905;mircea_popescu;i can see that, i thought this must have been taaki too, originally. 492283;1391956912;herbijudlestoids;so if i find a block, how much altz do i get? 1,000? 492284;1391956917;pankkake;512 492285;1391956923;moiety;lolol 492286;1391956927;herbijudlestoids;thats not enuf mang 492287;1391956930;herbijudlestoids;i need 8888 492288;1391956936;pankkake;mine bernankoin, then 492289;1391956946;pankkake;the more you mine the more you get 492290;1391956947;moiety;can we please send him a cape? 492291;1391956962;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1205 BTC [+] 492292;1391956963;pankkake;*print 492293;1391957030;herbijudlestoids;is altcoin the first altcoin that has absolutely no difference from the original bitcoin in terms of algorithm? 492294;1391957035;herbijudlestoids;its just a "young" bitcoin? 492295;1391957039;mircea_popescu;moiety yeah, it could be really small and have cunts embroidered on it 492296;1391957053;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids possibly. certainly the first to get over 100 difficulty. 492297;1391957060;pankkake;no, there was a recent wave of sha256 altcoins, after usb erupters were totally useless 492298;1391957071;herbijudlestoids;pankkake: ah right true true 492299;1391957071;mircea_popescu;o ? musta missed that. 492300;1391957078;mircea_popescu;name some ? 492301;1391957080;mircea_popescu;for my culture. 492302;1391957087;herbijudlestoids;gheycoin 492303;1391957089;herbijudlestoids;seckscoin 492304;1391957091;pankkake;the one that made me lol, by the name, AsicCoin 492305;1391957102;mircea_popescu;lol 492306;1391957105;moiety;embroidery? you spoiler. i would've gone iron-on transfers 492307;1391957124;mircea_popescu;moiety even better because then it could sorta fracture right down the middle 492308;1391957227;mircea_popescu;taub you would be exactly correct. 492309;1391957237;kakobrekla;atc trading anywhere yet? 492310;1391957252;mircea_popescu;notrly. 492311;1391957256;mircea_popescu;otc here and on the forum 492312;1391957266;mircea_popescu;i just bought real world goods with it! 492313;1391957272;Apocalyptic;you did ? 492314;1391957277;mircea_popescu;(ips are real world goods right ?) 492315;1391957317;kakobrekla;ips? interent porn services? 492316;1391957328;mircea_popescu;internet protocol numbers! 492317;1391957387;moiety;lolol @ 'the block-cape' 492318;1391957389;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+] 492319;1391957413;mircea_popescu;"The majority of stocks sold on the exchanges like Dow Jones" srsly ?! 492320;1391957419;pankkake;;;sell 5000 ATC @ 500 satoshi 492321;1391957419;herbijudlestoids;lel 492322;1391957420;gribble;Order id 19529 created. 492323;1391957424;pankkake;magic! 492324;1391957442;mircea_popescu;that goes straight intpo the bash 492325;1391957450;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0745 = 0.2235 BTC [+] 492326;1391957456;kakobrekla;i was asking for mkt cap chart 492327;1391957457;Apocalyptic;mircea, where did you get this from ? 492328;1391957466;pankkake;http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworder.php?id=19517 492329;1391957529;herbijudlestoids;pankkake: out of curiosity, how many GH are you contributing to the ATC pool right now? 492330;1391957532;ozbot;#bitcoin-otc order id 19517 492331;1391957535;pankkake;666 492332;1391957538;herbijudlestoids;lel 492333;1391957540;pankkake;uh no, Mh 492334;1391957553;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids: 492335;1391957553;mircea_popescu;theo: what i suggest is if you think the existing thing has deficiencies that you can overcome, make your own thing and people will flock to it << no see, that's outright evil. the guy perceives deficiencies due to the shit on his eyes, and fails to see the actual problems. if he manages to get in the media with his braindamaged implementation (which is possible seeing how cluelessly stupid media people are) 492336;1391957577;kakobrekla;theo is long gone 492337;1391957580;herbijudlestoids;lel it was a kidden, obviously he is not going to make teh thingz 492338;1391957588;mircea_popescu;then that'll just be a bunch of people getting hurt down the road. pretty much exactly how most everything outside of mpex has been working to date, from the exchanges, starting with mtgox, to anything you wish to pick 492339;1391957603;mircea_popescu;no, actually, you're playing with widows' and orphans' money. 492340;1391957621;mircea_popescu;he WILL make the thing. because he's that stupid, and he lives in a braindead society which encourages fuckwits to "express themselves" 492341;1391957627;mircea_popescu;and not take no shit from nobody and so forth. 492342;1391957633;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 492343;1391957645;mircea_popescu;(well, maybe not him personally, but still) 492344;1391957703;mircea_popescu;but anyway, my car's been waiting for like half an hour by now, i'll get fined for parking with the driver in it at this rate. 492345;1391957703;herbijudlestoids;i wonder who is contributing the ~40-100GH/s reports on the mining pool website for ATC 492346;1391957705;mircea_popescu;catch y'all later. 492347;1391957710;herbijudlestoids;yeah bye mircea_popescu 492348;1391957733;moiety;cheerio mircea_popescu 492349;1391957933;herbijudlestoids;ok, i ordered a new USB hub so i can resurrect the lil mining rig and set it on ATC 492350;1391957948;herbijudlestoids;at least that way i can try and use any i mine to get my WoT score up 492351;1391958121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00086118 = 23.4241 BTC [+] {2} 492352;1391958157;kakobrekla;last block 45min ago 492353;1391958162;kakobrekla;mine harder 492354;1391958362;herbijudlestoids;kakobrekla: i got a couple of USB hubs here, but they dont seem to like the ASICs, so itll have to be 336MH/s until it comes :P 492355;1391958426;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC 492356;1391958914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.0008568 = 4.8838 BTC [-] 492357;1391959219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+] 492358;1391959463;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.0743409 = 0.8177 BTC [-] {2} 492359;1391959483;kakobrekla;http://www.iztokmedja.com/ice-age-postojna/ 492360;1391959485;ozbot;Ice age @ Postojna - Iztok Medja | Iztok Medja 492361;1391959585;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 492362;1391959982;herbijudlestoids;beditme 492363;1391960134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00086127 = 4.737 BTC [+] 492364;1391960378;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0055 = 1.1 BTC 492365;1391960500;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0055 = 0.1925 BTC 492366;1391960683;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10040 @ 0.00086332 = 8.6677 BTC [+] {2} 492367;1391961293;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.19376446 = 1.5501 BTC [+] 492368;1391961656;ThickAsThieves;anyone can help me get my altcoin-qt to sync? 492369;1391961666;ThickAsThieves;console seems to not work 492370;1391961842;pankkake;Help/Debug window doesn't work? 492371;1391961860;ThickAsThieves;well it loads, but no commands work 492372;1391961878;ThickAsThieves;gonna try a diff pc first, this one has some networking issues 492373;1391961890;pankkake;try "addnode 87.98.146.72 add" 492374;1391961926;pankkake;otherwise you can also add nodes in ~/.altcoin/altcoin.conf 492375;1391961932;ThickAsThieves;it accepted that 492376;1391961944;ThickAsThieves;the help menu shows different syntax 492377;1391961980;ThickAsThieves;however it still sees no connection 492378;1391961991;pankkake;weird 492379;1391962015;ThickAsThieves;do i need to use SOCKS? 492380;1391962028;pankkake;no 492381;1391962043;ThickAsThieves;maybe my router is messing with it? 492382;1391962085;ThickAsThieves; otherwise you can also add nodes in ~/.altcoin/altcoin.conf that path exists? 492383;1391962097;pankkake;it's surprising you could not make outgoing connections 492384;1391962103;pankkake;on Linux ~ is the home 492385;1391962107;ThickAsThieves;oh 492386;1391962111;ThickAsThieves;on windows here 492387;1391962113;pankkake;and you already should have a .altcoin directory created 492388;1391962123;pankkake;well, I don't know where to put the altcoin.conf then 492389;1391962147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00086578 = 11.9045 BTC [+] 492390;1391962150;Duffer1;same dir as the exe i believe 492391;1391962153;pankkake;someone did it in the thread I think 492392;1391962154;pankkake;no 492393;1391962166;ThickAsThieves;itll be some weird users folder probly 492394;1391962175;pankkake;it's in some user profile folder 492395;1391962190;Duffer1;weird 492396;1391962221;pankkake;125.120.196.224 68.35.72.33 162.243.123.118 other IPs to try 492397;1391962232;pankkake;it's in the same place as the wallet.dat 492398;1391962249;Duffer1;%appdata% 492399;1391962274;pankkake;;;tslb 492400;1391962276;gribble;Time since last block: 31 minutes and 9 seconds 492401;1391962277;ThickAsThieves;when i use console to add node, it replies with a blank comment 492402;1391962287;pankkake;that's normal 492403;1391962287;Duffer1;search %appdata% then double click on Roaming 492404;1391962293;pankkake;try getpeerinfo, too 492405;1391962328;ThickAsThieves;thanks duffer1 492406;1391962341;Duffer1;:) 492407;1391962348;ThickAsThieves;trying 492408;1391962373;pankkake;so you create altcoin.conf and add lines of "addnode=IP" 492409;1391962381;ThickAsThieves;yep it worked 492410;1391962382;ThickAsThieves;:) 492411;1391962396;ThickAsThieves;8 days behind 492412;1391962419;kakobrekla;or just do it in console 492413;1391962433;ThickAsThieves;the console wasnt taking for some reason 492414;1391962541;kakobrekla;http://atc.blockr.io 492415;1391962553;pankkake;:o 492416;1391962560;ThickAsThieves;oh hell yes 492417;1391962565;ThickAsThieves;this site has some nice CSS 492418;1391962567;ThickAsThieves;:) 492419;1391962591;kakobrekla;go spread t he word 492420;1391962638;ThickAsThieves;doing so 492421;1391962870;ThickAsThieves;will they also add link to the main nav on home page? 492422;1391962878;ThickAsThieves;or only for cool kids? 492423;1391963123;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02829999 = 0.2264 BTC [-] 492424;1391963332;kakobrekla;ThickAsThieves at some point i reckon 492425;1391963428;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.075125 = 0.1503 BTC [+] {2} 492426;1391963489;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0755 = 0.604 BTC [+] {2} 492427;1391963550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.076 = 0.38 BTC [+] 492428;1391963622;deadweasel;appdata/altcoin 492429;1391963631;deadweasel;oh, nm 492430;1391963674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3854 @ 0.00086763 = 3.3438 BTC [+] 492431;1391963733;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12000001 BTC [-] 492432;1391963896;ThickAsThieves;website updated with current links etc http://therealaltcoin.org/ 492433;1391963916;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12 = 0.48 BTC [-] 492434;1391964045;kakobrekla;cool 492435;1391964439;ThickAsThieves;the blockr page has a weird bug where sometimes links arent clickable, something about scrolling affects it 492436;1391964449;ThickAsThieves;just in case they dont already know 492437;1391964526;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4383 @ 0.00019104 = 0.8373 BTC [-] {4} 492438;1391964831;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.609 BTC [-] 492439;1391964892;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.609 BTC [-] 492440;1391965014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.0008659 = 17.1881 BTC [-] {2} 492441;1391965197;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.02637610 BTC to 1`070 shares, 95923 satoshi per share 492442;1391965231;kakobrekla;ThickAsThieves can you make a proper bugreport :) 492443;1391965252;kakobrekla;like in a way that i can be reproduced 492444;1391965268;kakobrekla;it 492445;1391965380;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.19376446 = 2.3252 BTC [+] 492446;1391965441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8326 @ 0.00086763 = 7.2239 BTC [+] 492447;1391965474;ThickAsThieves;sure 492448;1391965496;ThickAsThieves;is there a place to? 492449;1391965519;kakobrekla;you can pm me and ill let them know 492450;1391965549;kakobrekla;brb 492451;1391965624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27510 @ 0.00087175 = 23.9818 BTC [+] {2} 492452;1391965746;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8000 @ 0.00019101 = 1.5281 BTC [-] {5} 492453;1391965868;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4770 @ 0.00019087 = 0.9104 BTC [-] {3} 492454;1391965990;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60997998 BTC [+] 492455;1391966051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2385 @ 0.00087062 = 2.0764 BTC [-] 492456;1391966075;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456937.msg5038138#msg5038138 492457;1391966077;ozbot;Bitcoin Mutual Fund 492458;1391966082;ThickAsThieves;"In other word's this isn't Tat Investments, exotic complex virtual bonds, that make Chase and Goldman derivatives look like a joke." 492459;1391966084;ThickAsThieves;lol 492460;1391966234;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 17391 @ 0.00019 = 3.3043 BTC [-] {5} 492461;1391966255;KRS-One;heh 492462;1391966467;kakobrekla;stop with the slander 492463;1391966539;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.0057 = 0.2052 BTC [-] 492464;1391966783;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 23 @ 0.00500101 = 0.115 BTC [+] 492465;1391966840;pankkake;scammers now pretty much always start with "I've been a victim of scams myself" 492466;1391966844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21360 @ 0.0008639 = 18.4529 BTC [-] {2} 492467;1391966858;pankkake;dirty salesman basics 492468;1391966905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8672 @ 0.0008568 = 7.4302 BTC [-] 492469;1391966934;punkman;"I'm so "experienced" I've invested in two dozen scams." 492470;1391966953;kakobrekla;lol 492471;1391966958;punkman;shut up and take my money! 492472;1391967088;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.0055 = 1.65 BTC 492473;1391967356;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla so you're a global warming denier i take it. 492474;1391967360;mircea_popescu;shame on you! 492475;1391967447;mircea_popescu; oh hell yes << hehehehe 492476;1391967503;mircea_popescu;block height 16400 ftw. 492477;1391967566;mircea_popescu;pankkake signs of a mature scammarket. 492478;1391967572;mircea_popescu;well maybe not mature, but adolescent. 492479;1391967576;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.00018576 = 0.6502 BTC [-] {4} 492480;1391967639;pankkake;time to IPO revolutionary acne skin cream 492481;1391967699;mircea_popescu;"the secret MPEx doesn't want you to know about how a single mom made stock monyz working from the kitchen" 492482;1391967815;ThickAsThieves;TAT Spotted At Restaurant, You Won't Believe What We Saw! 492483;1391967943;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0055 = 0.1925 BTC 492484;1391968105;mircea_popescu;"Dear @BTCFoundation, please eat shit and drop dead for promoting scumbags like @Mircea_Popescu #bitcoin" 492485;1391968112;mircea_popescu;dude when did that happen 492486;1391968161;copumpkin;lol 492487;1391968194;mircea_popescu;fucking postmodernism. 492488;1391968318;mircea_popescu;the best part about google is that by googling mpoe-pr i get a link to her recent posts 492489;1391968319;ThickAsThieves;did you notice RPietilla's name now says he is slave to Goat? 492490;1391968321;pankkake;https://twitter.com/BTCFoundation/status/426414550301552640 it did happen 492491;1391968322;ozbot;Twitter / BTCFoundation: #Bitcoin entrepreneur saves ... 492492;1391968331;mircea_popescu;i wonder how many more people enter bitcointalk googling for mpoe-pr than for anything else 492493;1391968342;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves ahahaha what. 492494;1391968346;pankkake;lol that guy hates you https://twitter.com/Krokodill_G 492495;1391968348;mircea_popescu;splendid 492496;1391968362;punkman;I only ever read MPOE-PR recent posts 492497;1391968387;ThickAsThieves;"rpietila, the Vassal of the Mighty Goat" 492498;1391968387;mircea_popescu;pankkake apparently he hates me and a fellow named d. cameron whoever that is 492499;1391968417;ThickAsThieves;he's also the one who Goat made a big trade with last year, 492500;1391968422;ThickAsThieves;thus, he is Goat 492501;1391968432;mircea_popescu;no wai he's goat. 492502;1391968436;mircea_popescu;goat is relatively dumb. 492503;1391968439;mircea_popescu;that guy had aptitude. 492504;1391968463;ThickAsThieves;maybe all the scams are goat 492505;1391968488;ThickAsThieves;maybe they are bros 492506;1391968504;mircea_popescu;goat is basically this lamer that likes to gossip about things pretending like he's related to them 492507;1391968519;mircea_popescu;you know the guy who's always "oh, universal pictures ? yeah my cousin works there" 492508;1391968540;ThickAsThieves;well he did pump COG pretty openly 492509;1391968589;mircea_popescu;he pumped a laundry list of failed bs pretty openly. 492510;1391968621;mircea_popescu;wasn't he pumping silver half year ago ? 492511;1391968626;ThickAsThieves;yep 492512;1391968628;mircea_popescu;back when it was, you know, 25 ? 492513;1391968648;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456983.0 492514;1391968649;ozbot;Invest in medi-hamster -- 7% div weekly payment! -- 14995 shares left! 492515;1391968655;mircea_popescu;now, while he was involved with the pirate crap, and pumped it, and it failed, 492516;1391968667;mircea_popescu;i am confident he wasn't meaningfully involved with... silver. 492517;1391968687;ThickAsThieves;hehe 492518;1391968735;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4249 @ 0.00081538 = 3.4645 BTC [-] {25} 492519;1391968804;davout;pankkake: énorme 492520;1391968816;mircea_popescu;as in enormity ? 492521;1391968850;davout;no, more like amazing 492522;1391968850;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 492523;1391968871;mircea_popescu;at least in romanian, "enormitate" means this incredibly stupid thing [to say] 492524;1391968891;davout;yes, in french too, "une énormité", exactly the same meaning 492525;1391968895;mircea_popescu;kind-of works the same way in english, and in french too 492526;1391968896;mircea_popescu;yeah 492527;1391968923;davout;but when you say it this way it means something like "fucking incredible" 492528;1391968945;davout;or "splendid" 492529;1391968957;mircea_popescu;i always wondered why it's not splentit. 492530;1391968962;mircea_popescu;what's did ever done for anyone. 492531;1391968993;ThickAsThieves;or why not splendorous 492532;1391969003;davout;splendiferous 492533;1391969028;davout;splendimagilistickexplialidorous 492534;1391969035;mircea_popescu;cause that sounds like it'd stink. 492535;1391969037;mircea_popescu;splendorous, splendodorous, same ballpark 492536;1391969101;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.0760101 = 0.5321 BTC [-] {3} 492537;1391969102;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1100 @ 0.00308229 = 3.3905 BTC [+] {31} 492538;1391969127;ThickAsThieves;Splendiferrous Inc, Our Iron is a Steel. 492539;1391969142;mircea_popescu;you mean our irony is a steal. 492540;1391969191;mircea_popescu;MP's MI5: someone said karpeles was spotted in the bahamas 492541;1391969191;mircea_popescu;MP himself: waldo karpeles ? 492542;1391969223;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.0760102 = 0.228 BTC [+] {2} 492543;1391969224;mircea_popescu;MP's MI5: no, piggy karpeles 492544;1391969240;ThickAsThieves;lol i was just gonna say Pooh Bear Karpeles 492545;1391969249;ThickAsThieves;stuck in a tree again 492546;1391969254;mircea_popescu;apparently i'm rate limited 492547;1391969274;mircea_popescu;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Estate << very funny this. 492548;1391969275;ozbot;Fifth Estate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 492549;1391969284;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0755 = 0.2265 BTC [-] 492550;1391969287;mircea_popescu;yes, there does exist a network of individuals who operate outside of the constraints of "normal society" 492551;1391969291;mircea_popescu;such as for instance, laws. 492552;1391969295;mircea_popescu;that part is correct. 492553;1391969302;mircea_popescu;who does wikipedia think those people are ? 492554;1391969310;mircea_popescu;why... bloggers. and... twitter derps. 492555;1391969311;mircea_popescu;win. 492556;1391969345;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.121 = 0.242 BTC [+] {2} 492557;1391969365;ThickAsThieves;lowest of the low 492558;1391969387;mircea_popescu;i mean... zero hedge tries to push a bitcoin bet site, gets humiliated like 10k to 1 by trilema 492559;1391969403;mircea_popescu;trilema is not a blog, however, not anymore than a mercedes is "white". 492560;1391969406;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.121 = 0.242 BTC [+] 492561;1391969461;KRS-One;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2550897/Off-piste-Russias-female-Olympians-Russia-goes-Sochi-charm-offensive-scantily-clad-photo-call-athletes-youve-never-seen-before.html 492562;1391969464;KRS-One;.bait 492563;1391969484;mircea_popescu;now that's a blog that influences public oppinion, daily mail. 492564;1391969506;KRS-One;Behold, sexy olympians. 492565;1391969507;ozbot;Russia's female Olympians go on Sochi charm offensive with scantily clad photo-call | Mail Online 492566;1391969508;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/858199fb39eeade194f593349ab322a3/tumblr_mf5b5qkHWY1rt1hdwo1_1280.jpg 492567;1391969525;ThickAsThieves;their women arent bad 492568;1391969528;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.07562404 = 0.7562 BTC [-] {5} 492569;1391969532;KRS-One;Russian women are hawt. 492570;1391969557;mircea_popescu;it's so cool that pretty much everything women do is now merely a pretext for them to get porn careers. 492571;1391969576;mircea_popescu;and that everything the plebs do is pretty much a pretext for them being exploited, wikipedia chief example 492572;1391969579;KRS-One;Yes, mircea_popescu. Someone has to do it, preferrably them. 492573;1391969589;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.121 BTC [+] 492574;1391969592;mircea_popescu;god i'm so happy to have been born now rather than at any other time. 492575;1391969596;mircea_popescu;i wonder how many people actually felt this way historically. 492576;1391969608;KRS-One;In the mean time, I think my wife awaits in Germany. Wonder what the I.T. market for a gringo guy from the U.S. is like there. 492577;1391969615;ThickAsThieves;even being a celebrity means having to seriously ponder when/whether to do a sex tape 492578;1391969624;mircea_popescu;yep 492579;1391969638;mircea_popescu;it's pretty much all it is, you now get the opportunity to show us your tits like we cared. 492580;1391969650;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12125 = 0.2425 BTC [+] 492581;1391969655;KRS-One;mircea_popescu: being born in the 1930's might not have been bad. 492582;1391969665;mircea_popescu;you kidding ? with ww2 and everything ? 492583;1391969665;KRS-One;in the U.S. at any rate. 492584;1391969674;KRS-One;In the U.S. specifically. 492585;1391969697;mircea_popescu;so what, you can be raised by a poor mother working two shifts and an absent father who then came back as an antsy alcoholic ? 492586;1391969700;mircea_popescu;derp. 492587;1391969711;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0755 = 0.5285 BTC [-] {2} 492588;1391969713;KRS-One;yep, amazing growth and good life from the late 40's to the late 70's. 492589;1391969713;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 492590;1391969729;mircea_popescu;nah, it was bullshit, i couldn't have stood the 50s 492591;1391969741;ThickAsThieves;plus our "time" is more than 10 years 492592;1391969745;mircea_popescu;where's the naked womenz only parties there ? 492593;1391969749;KRS-One;Ya the 50's seemed like the new trends would have been annoying as fuck. 492594;1391969750;ThickAsThieves;living in the 30s means living in the 50s too 492595;1391969765;mircea_popescu;and besides, then the 60s which deeply sucked 492596;1391969770;mircea_popescu;and the the 70s and disco ?!~ 492597;1391969777;mircea_popescu;give me a motherfucking break, i'd have been breivik 492598;1391969783;KRS-One;Americans had it very well all of those decades. 492599;1391969791;mircea_popescu;yeah, if they were braindead. 492600;1391969801;chetty;so what would be a good decade? 492601;1391969804;mircea_popescu;which... you know, the braindead have it very well today, i'm sure. 492602;1391969810;ThickAsThieves;90s were cool 492603;1391969815;davout;maybe 100 years from now mircea futurescu will say the exact same thing 492604;1391969815;KRS-One;I noted no lack of prosperity. 492605;1391969815;mircea_popescu;chetty 1990s in romania and 2000-now globally. 492606;1391969819;ThickAsThieves;but i suspect 2010s will be similar 492607;1391969825;mircea_popescu;davout i hope so for his sake. 492608;1391969827;KRS-One;ThickAsThieves: the 90s was my time..best music and everything. 492609;1391969838;the20year;US has had it pretty good all the 20th century 492610;1391969843;KRS-One;thank you the20year 492611;1391969860;the20year;90s music? lol 492612;1391969864;mircea_popescu;maybe the 90s were ok in grenwich village too, but i wouldn't trade. 492613;1391969889;KRS-One;yeh 90s music was great imo..it improved the 80's and launched a new rock and roll 492614;1391969891;ThickAsThieves;90s was pretty great for music 492615;1391969905;the20year;like? 492616;1391969910;mircea_popescu;like nirvana. 492617;1391969915;KRS-One;word 492618;1391969923;ThickAsThieves;like NWA 492619;1391969924;mircea_popescu;like a good chunk of iron maiden 492620;1391969931;KRS-One;fuck'n-A ThickAsThieves 492621;1391969940;the20year;iron maiden started in the 70s 492622;1391969943;KRS-One;Tool 492623;1391969947;mircea_popescu;yeah, even the rap/w/e stuff black people did in the 90s was pretty cool. 492624;1391969950;ThickAsThieves;like every respected hip hop group known today really 492625;1391969966;the20year;Iron maiden has been good since they started, and the 90s weren't really significantly better than any other decade 492626;1391969971;ThickAsThieves;Pharcyde, Tribe, etc 492627;1391969974;the20year;Nirvana is ok for people with poor musical taste 492628;1391969978;KRS-One;iron maiden is f'n amazing 492629;1391969978;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 492630;1391969981;the20year;Tool is one of th few 90s bands I like 492631;1391969988;ThickAsThieves;god i hate tool 492632;1391969994;KRS-One;whut 492633;1391969999;KRS-One;blasphemy 492634;1391970005;ThickAsThieves;it's bullshit music, sorry 492635;1391970013;the20year;tool ,alice in chains, a few others like them are the only noteworthy 90s bands 492636;1391970022;KRS-One;thats cool..thickasthieves, got one better? 492637;1391970034;ThickAsThieves;comparible to tool? 492638;1391970035;ThickAsThieves;NIN 492639;1391970038;KRS-One;no 492640;1391970039;KRS-One;either 492641;1391970058;KRS-One;A Perfect Circle 492642;1391970067;davout;the coolest music happened before 1950 492643;1391970074;mircea_popescu;the20year you like tool and discuss the musical taste of people liking nirvana ?! 492644;1391970080;ThickAsThieves;circle sucks too 492645;1391970087;mircea_popescu;this is like... ok you're banned on music criticism nao 492646;1391970089;KRS-One;Wow ThickAsThieves rly 492647;1391970097;the20year;In the grand scheme fo things, tool is only mediocre 492648;1391970103;KRS-One;they are a percussion band 492649;1391970107;mircea_popescu;b 492650;1391970119;mircea_popescu;but in no scheme of things in which nirvana sucks tool can be mentioned. 492651;1391970120;the20year;And nirvana worse than that, of all the music out there, 50 years from now, very little from the 90s will be played 492652;1391970122;ThickAsThieves;tool is like jazz for metalheads 492653;1391970127;mircea_popescu;other than for some sort of ronald mcdonald reason 492654;1391970139;mircea_popescu;nirvana will be played. 492655;1391970153;ThickAsThieves;indeed 492656;1391970155;the20year;Nirvana will be one of the very little that will be played 492657;1391970161;mircea_popescu;for that matter, what do you play from 1940 ? 492658;1391970190;ThickAsThieves;i'll listen to a little Ella Fitzgerald 492659;1391970190;the20year;By 1998, in the US there was plenty of 80s being played still, today there is very little 90s music being played outside of things like nirvana ,tool, apc, metallica, and other similar hard rock type bands 492660;1391970192;mircea_popescu;irene, irene and like what, turkey in the straw. 492661;1391970199;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.58100576 = 4.067 BTC [-] {3} 492662;1391970200;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00018406 = 0.9203 BTC [-] {5} 492663;1391970215;the20year;The pop of the 80s is still being played along with the pop of the 60s and 70s, not so much for pop music from the 90s 492664;1391970217;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you know she was like 10 in 1940 492665;1391970221;ThickAsThieves; By 1998, in the US there was plenty of 80s being played still, today there is very little 90s music being played outside of things like nirvana ,tool, apc, metallica, and other similar hard rock type bands --- that is not how you sort things 492666;1391970234;the20year;How often do you hear nsync or 98 degrees, or new kids on the block on the radio? 492667;1391970248;ThickAsThieves;Ella Jane Fitzgerald (April 25, 1917 – June 15, 1996) 492668;1391970255;the20year;(Almost never, and that's because they're compeletely irrelevant) 492669;1391970267;ThickAsThieves;you examples are so off 492670;1391970280;the20year;go look at the billboard top 20 from 1991 through 1999 492671;1391970283;ThickAsThieves;first, you dont judge quality of a decade's music by what is currently on the radio 492672;1391970290;the20year;and tell me how often any of those songs are continued to be played 492673;1391970298;mircea_popescu;anyway. 1940 really means wenn die soldaten and embrasse-moi 492674;1391970299;ThickAsThieves;second, you dont use shitty pop commercials as exmples 492675;1391970303;mircea_popescu;very little english language crap 492676;1391970306;mircea_popescu;or w/e you call it, pop. 492677;1391970336;ThickAsThieves;radio is mortally wounded, probly not a good signal for anything 492678;1391970346;the20year;There are exceptions to my statement of 'the 90s sucked musically' but considering how much music was put out during that decade 492679;1391970358;ThickAsThieves;a signal of what blue collar workers are willing to put up with at work maybe 492680;1391970377;benkay;blue collar workers don't get a say in what's pumped in their ears on-shift. 492681;1391970378;the20year;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End_Hot_100_singles_of_1995 492682;1391970379;ozbot;Billboard Year-End Hot 100 singles of 1995 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 492683;1391970394;ThickAsThieves;then immigrant workers, sry 492684;1391970400;mircea_popescu;lol 492685;1391970435;mircea_popescu;srsly doods. la vie en rose! 492686;1391970450;mircea_popescu;that's 1940. not w/e dubious jazz you can't even name that was barely getting started. 492687;1391970451;davout;srsly? 492688;1391970455;mircea_popescu;davout yeah. 492689;1391970456;benkay;wow wenn die soldaten is like 9 minutes long 492690;1391970496;davout;mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4tCC8AsNV4&feature=kp 492691;1391970502;mircea_popescu;hymne a l'amour etc. 492692;1391970504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.00018275 = 1.0965 BTC [-] {5} 492693;1391970509;mircea_popescu;what was le contrebandier, like 55 i guess 492694;1391970540;KRS-One;1930's, 1940's jazz was amazing. 492695;1391970540;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 492696;1391970552;mircea_popescu;KRS-One name something. no googling. 492697;1391970557;KRS-One;Count Basie 492698;1391970560;mircea_popescu;(i don't dispute it was great. i dispute you can even name it) 492699;1391970561;mircea_popescu;hah. 492700;1391970564;KRS-One;Louis armstrong 492701;1391970565;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 738 @ 0.00018 = 0.1328 BTC [-] {2} 492702;1391970568;KRS-One;umms 492703;1391970575;mircea_popescu;you had me at basie :D 492704;1391970577;KRS-One;=D 492705;1391970607;KRS-One;I used to play trumpet in grade school and i was well schooled in music and music composition. 492706;1391970620;KRS-One;I'd have to sit and think to remember more. 492707;1391970631;davout;KRS-One: trumpet looks like a fucking hard instrument 492708;1391970646;KRS-One;It took me years, but I'm sure you can say that about any instrument. 492709;1391970650;mircea_popescu;anyway, in the 40s armstrong was sutck in tin pan alley, dunno how many people even knew he existed 492710;1391970659;KRS-One;really? 492711;1391970684;mircea_popescu;which is kind-of how it will play with the 90s or whatever other decade. we're probably so badly deluged in all the crap 492712;1391970700;mircea_popescu;that people in 2050 with a functional musicgoogle will be wtf, you had nothing audible in 2013 ? how about xyz 492713;1391970709;mircea_popescu;and we'll be like... wtf is x, y or z even, never heard it 492714;1391970714;KRS-One;not sure what to make of current stuff, a lot of crap out there now..unless its my tastes changing. 492715;1391970731;ThickAsThieves;it's both 492716;1391970733;davout;thoughts about the "Frantic" movie ? 492717;1391970737;KRS-One;Dizzie Gillespie another great one 492718;1391970748;KRS-One;ThickAsThieves: ya think? do you notice that too 492719;1391970767;mircea_popescu;davout meh. 492720;1391970778;KRS-One;Oh Duke Ellington did some of my favorite hits. 492721;1391970786;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/frantic/ 492722;1391970787;ozbot;Frantic pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 492723;1391970797;KRS-One;I tried so hard to play his music..Benny Goodman had a great band. 492724;1391970806;davout;mircea_popescu: thx 492725;1391970818;davout;oh wait 492726;1391970834;ThickAsThieves;hehe 492727;1391970836;davout;worse than a paywall 492728;1391970841;davout;a romanianwall 492729;1391970845;KRS-One;Some very well cultered people in this chat room, I'm in good company. 492730;1391970866;mircea_popescu;davout well... you should be able to read romanian 492731;1391970870;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0058499 = 0.117 BTC [+] 492732;1391970875;mircea_popescu;it's like... a latin language, like french. 492733;1391970885;mircea_popescu;you know how all chinese ppl speak "chinese" and indians from india "indian" ? 492734;1391970889;mircea_popescu;so too, the yurpeans. 492735;1391970902;davout;let me give it a try 492736;1391970922;ThickAsThieves;i know some portuguese and it's not much help for romanian 492737;1391970931;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00584998 = 0.2457 BTC [+] {3} 492738;1391970942;mircea_popescu;i know romanian and french and spanish and as a result portuguese is directly transparent 492739;1391970944;ThickAsThieves;seems like Italian is the link between 492740;1391970945;mircea_popescu;i never actually learned it 492741;1391970968;davout;yeah, if you know FR+ES PT is easily understandable 492742;1391970984;ThickAsThieves;if you know spanish you know portuguese, especially brazilian style 492743;1391971009;mircea_popescu;amusingly, i notice the 1st comment is from a french speaking emanuelle seigner fan. 492744;1391971033;mircea_popescu;with a broken link 492745;1391971033;mircea_popescu;fml. 492746;1391971039;davout;not sure he's french 492747;1391971040;mircea_popescu;WHY ROT, WEB! WHYYYYYYY 492748;1391971074;KRS-One;to me Brazilian Portugese doesn't sound spanish. 492749;1391971088;KRS-One;And the Cubans are out to win a race for speed for some reason..Can never follow them. 492750;1391971099;mircea_popescu;KRS-One that's where romanian is important. 492751;1391971114;mircea_popescu;once you follow a conversation between two women speaking simultaneously at about 120wpm 492752;1391971118;mircea_popescu;you can follow anything 492753;1391971125;KRS-One;it is probably an older language too right? 492754;1391971132;KRS-One;It would make sense if so. 492755;1391971141;mircea_popescu;well anything'd be an older language than creoles spoken in the new world. 492756;1391971172;KRS-One;I don't know much about language but find it interesting..funny how many words are similar. 492757;1391971177;davout;so isn't the first sentence something like "Frantic is the exact kind of movie for Harrison Ford" ? 492758;1391971188;davout;or "that he could have made" ? 492759;1391971202;mircea_popescu;"Frantic e exact genul de film care-i place lui Harrison Ford. " = frantic is exactly the type of film hf likes. 492760;1391971213;davout;genul == type ? 492761;1391971216;davout;kind ? 492762;1391971218;mircea_popescu;yup. genus 492763;1391971219;KRS-One;Seems very much like Latin. 492764;1391971233;davout;explain "care-i place lui" 492765;1391971241;davout;care-i verb ? 492766;1391971250;mircea_popescu;care which. place, a placea, to like. -i lui pronouns required by the verbal form 492767;1391971263;mircea_popescu;i references the film, lui is the possesive for ford. 492768;1391971301;davout;so place is the actual verb, care the complement and hf the subject 492769;1391971337;jurov;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU2a4AfleTE&feature=youtu.be amir got a mustache 492770;1391971338;ozbot;Bitcoin user Amir Taaki defends Bitcoin crypto currency (04Feb14) - YouTube 492771;1391971360;ThickAsThieves;omg even BBC gives him air? 492772;1391971373;Apocalyptic;looks like he's high 492773;1391971388;davout;i'm in love with his accent 492774;1391971421;benkay;oh are we talking about bitcoin again? 492775;1391971448;jurov;no, about future billionaires 492776;1391971471;mircea_popescu;wait amir with a moustache ? 492777;1391971475;mircea_popescu;this should be an altcoin. 492778;1391971483;mircea_popescu;AMC - amir with moustache coin 492779;1391971495;mircea_popescu;does it make him look all manly ? 492780;1391971537;davout;freddy-mercury manly 492781;1391971542;ThickAsThieves;he looks at his absolute grossest 492782;1391971553;davout;ThickAsThieves: LOL 492783;1391971565;mircea_popescu;holy shit piaf's le contrebandier doies nopt exist on youtube. at all. 492784;1391971596;mircea_popescu;this scourge upon culture! 492785;1391971623;davout;i found one, but it has been removed due to copyright complaints apparently 492786;1391971666;mircea_popescu;yeah, see, then all the tinfoil hatters rant about da gubbermint. 492787;1391971718;mircea_popescu;Oh, la douane ! Oh, les gabelous ! 492788;1391971718;mircea_popescu;Lchez tous les chiens et puis planquez-vous au fond de vos cabanes. 492789;1391971718;mircea_popescu;Regardez sur la dune l'homme qui passe l-bas. Il est pourtant seul mais vous n'l'aurez pas. 492790;1391971718;mircea_popescu;Il s'fout d'la douane... 492791;1391972017;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves so you wouldn't do him ? 492792;1391972056;ThickAsThieves;would not do 492793;1391972090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00085522 = 11.5455 BTC [-] {2} 492794;1391972141;mircea_popescu;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluto_Water 492795;1391972164;ozbot;Pluto Water - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 492796;1391972212;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00018687 = 0.3737 BTC [+] {2} 492797;1391972265;ThickAsThieves;sounds like pooping wasnt easy back then 492798;1391972275;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/HoudiniPlutoIndiana.jpg 492799;1391972291;mircea_popescu;i wonder what "champagne velvet" from terre haute, ind bottling co tasted like 492800;1391972350;ThickAsThieves;http://kinoimages.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/philip-seymour-hoffman-photographed-by-herb-ritts-1999.jpg%3Fw%3D640 492801;1391972397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00085626 = 19.5655 BTC [+] 492802;1391972422;mircea_popescu;the guy looks gay. 492803;1391972433;ThickAsThieves;he probly was 492804;1391972442;mircea_popescu;no ?! 492805;1391972504;ThickAsThieves;http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/1029813/philip-seymour-hoffman-was-gay-claims-lover 492806;1391972506;ozbot;Was Philip Seymour Hoffman gay? 492807;1391972536;ThickAsThieves;http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/philip-seymour-hoffman-gay-friend-legal-action-claim-article-1.1603049 492808;1391972573;ThickAsThieves;i have this working theory/curiosity that a majority of artists are gay 492809;1391972582;ThickAsThieves;the ones that excel most 492810;1391972593;ThickAsThieves;even Jay Z 492811;1391972613;mircea_popescu;also jewish. 492812;1391972614;ThickAsThieves;Kendrick Lamar, Pharrell (rap) 492813;1391972647;KRS-One;Pharell is good 492814;1391972660;benkay;http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/philip-seymour-hoffman-knew-die-drug-report-article-1.1601596 492815;1391972661;KRS-One;JayZ sucks imo..not sure how he got so big 492816;1391972664;ozbot;Philip Seymour Hoffman overdose death: 4 suspected heroin dealers arrested - NY Daily News 492817;1391972674;benkay;sounds like the cops just wanted an excuse to bust that ring 492818;1391972697;KRS-One;ThickAsThieves: You could be right with that theory, artists can be that way or go both ways. 492819;1391972700;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12010001 BTC [-] 492820;1391972714;ThickAsThieves;the dealers were jewish 492821;1391972717;ThickAsThieves;hehe 492822;1391972731;KRS-One;oi vey 492823;1391972741;benkay;Thomas Cushman, 48; Robert Vineberg, 57; Juliana Luchkiw, 22; and Max Rosenblum, 22 492824;1391972747;benkay;what, you think the kids were actually moving weight? 492825;1391972755;ThickAsThieves;also the more highly intelligent people i'm friends with seem sexually confused at best 492826;1391972777;KRS-One;not sure there is a connection with intelligence 492827;1391972784;ThickAsThieves;i suspect there is 492828;1391972802;ThickAsThieves;something about self-awareness or something 492829;1391972804;mircea_popescu;juliana was indeed lucky. 492830;1391972807;ThickAsThieves;hyper* 492831;1391972812;mircea_popescu;pretty much erry night 492832;1391972822;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC 492833;1391972833;KRS-One;Self awareness has an attribute of realizing we are animals, but I'm not sure I agree with all that. 492834;1391972846;KRS-One;i think its in the genes 492835;1391972850;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves didja count me as confused at best ? 492836;1391972869;ThickAsThieves;well i wouldnt do so in a judging way 492837;1391972879;ThickAsThieves;sex is way to complicated for that 492838;1391972887;ThickAsThieves;but yes, you have issues too 492839;1391972897;ThickAsThieves;as do i 492840;1391972902;ThickAsThieves;whatever 492841;1391972910;mircea_popescu;hahaha! 492842;1391972931;mircea_popescu;you kidding me, i'm like the one left rock of actual straightness in a sea of you bicurious drug addled peeps! 492843;1391972948;ThickAsThieves;oh i was expanding beyong just gayness 492844;1391972965;mircea_popescu;into what ?! 492845;1391972966;ThickAsThieves;i was saying confused mor egenerally 492846;1391972975;mircea_popescu;well then everyone's confused. 492847;1391972979;pankkake;straight/gay is the most boring sexual distinction 492848;1391972983;benkay;unless you have sex only in the missionary position you're a fucking weirdo, mircea_popescu. 492849;1391972994;ThickAsThieves;it seems mnore particular with intellectuals 492850;1391973004;mircea_popescu;pankkake why ? it's fundamental yo. 492851;1391973019;benkay;having sex at all makes one a fucking weirdo these days. more than one partner? you're at least three standard deviations out. 492852;1391973026;mircea_popescu;benkay you know tons of chicks actually love missionary ? 492853;1391973032;mircea_popescu;teh intromissionary position 492854;1391973053;benkay;intromissionary? 492855;1391973077;benkay;also yes i do but that's not the point i'm making. 492856;1391973097;benkay;(also come on does no one appreciate the standard deviation pun?) 492857;1391973117;ThickAsThieves;is it a pun? 492858;1391973124;mircea_popescu;it is kind of puny... 492859;1391973185;benkay;i forewent standard deviant 'cause i expect too much from y'all apparently 492860;1391973215;mircea_popescu;exercise for benkay and anyone else : let the standard deviations be calculated for one who only engages in sexual congress with members of one gender that accept as prerequisite that they may not have any say in when sex is happening nor in the choice of partners or activities. 492861;1391973258;KRS-One;there is a lot of gayness out there, in my .bait i find solitude. 492862;1391973264;KRS-One;.bait 492863;1391973266;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meag8lF6gY1rck5gjo1_1280.jpg 492864;1391973277;benkay;.bait is a solitary activity, yes... 492865;1391973279;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/0698394af210e6fbccf2d4173b9f3929/tumblr_mfhehorcZE1s04ckeo1_1280.jpg 492866;1391973284;KRS-One;Mmm. 492867;1391973294;benkay;did you mean solace? 492868;1391973310;mircea_popescu;solaciousnessitude 492869;1391973363;benkay;don't know that that's a calculation i really have time or interest in. sounds more like piles of time spent surveying that'd be better spent recruiting the surveyed into my bed 492870;1391973371;benkay;time for* 492871;1391973372;ThickAsThieves;lol https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg5040231#msg5040231 492872;1391973374;KRS-One;Yes maybe thats a better word? 492873;1391973392;ThickAsThieves;they like WANT to be scammed 492874;1391973396;mircea_popescu;maybe that's how you recruit them ? 492875;1391973407;benkay;not a bad pitch 492876;1391973413;mircea_popescu;but anyway, since we're talking about recruiting, here's a ploy i invented during dinner earlier : 492877;1391973434;mircea_popescu;you sign up to a forum, under the pretense you are a time traveller from the future. you establish this persona, more or less humorously but intelligently, 492878;1391973439;benkay;"i'm doing a survey on sexual practices. oh hey! you're right up my alley - come with me, i'm going to insert someone else in you." 492879;1391973464;mircea_popescu;then in due time you explain that the REASON you took the time trip is because the future sucks, and you are seeking your own mother in her youth to fuck her and so in causing a singularity erase that sucky future. 492880;1391973473;mircea_popescu;you further have identified her, and she is X 492881;1391973485;mircea_popescu;(obviousl;y some research as to the more nubile forum members being i norder) 492882;1391973488;KRS-One;oh wow 492883;1391973490;KRS-One;haha 492884;1391973492;mircea_popescu;and so there you go, she might as well say yes. 492885;1391973499;davout;ThickAsThieves: you are right, mircea_popescu has issues 492886;1391973509;mircea_popescu;davout omfg what! 492887;1391973542;KRS-One;interesting reading nevertheless! lol 492888;1391973619;ThickAsThieves;he's fulfilled too many fantasies obv 492889;1391973629;ThickAsThieves;now he has to make them up 492890;1391973634;mircea_popescu;fantasies are overrated 492891;1391973639;mircea_popescu;lmao 492892;1391973652;KRS-One;fantasies + mediatation is badass 492893;1391973664;davout;KRS-One: orly? 492894;1391973666;ThickAsThieves;mediation? 492895;1391973666;KRS-One;there is no telling where your mind can go if you let go 492896;1391973688;KRS-One;try it sometime..u can think some crazy shit..idk maybe its all the drugs i did 492897;1391973707;KRS-One;meditation is amazing 492898;1391973707;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 492899;1391973710;davout;KRS-One: what? fantasies or meditation? 492900;1391973710;mircea_popescu;the toilet ? 492901;1391973716;KRS-One;davout: the combination 492902;1391973723;ThickAsThieves;you can think some crazy shit when youre bored too 492903;1391973733;mircea_popescu;like bitcoin 492904;1391973737;davout;KRS-One: when i sit I try to not think 492905;1391973747;KRS-One;perfect 492906;1391973759;BingoBoingo;Oh, the violence against math guy updated his locked BitBet thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431273.0;topicseen 492907;1391973780;davout;but i guess the point is to be aware of what happens not shut everything off 492908;1391973784;kakobrekla;locked thread 492909;1391973787;KRS-One;someone told me once about microdosing LSD...after a while he spoke perfect German without learning..wtf? I am still thinking he was bullshitting. 492910;1391973794;kakobrekla;yea 492911;1391973796;KRS-One;but who knows, never tried the stuff. 492912;1391973796;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lol with a stupid idea from last year 492913;1391973862;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well the same stupid idea from last year that came out of that scamsite betsofbitco.in as well. 492914;1391973877;pankkake;http://i.imgur.com/aoVkQ8x.png mining at that pool is getting annoying 492915;1391973900;BingoBoingo;This allowing people to bet on a sure thing, but at a loss was a genius idea. 492916;1391973970;mircea_popescu;lol it was kakobrekla's 492917;1391973981;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58100201 = 1.162 BTC [-] 492918;1391973985;mircea_popescu;no wait wait, i'm getting the credit. it was mine. kakobrekla just implemented it badly. 492919;1391974015;mircea_popescu;pankkake what, you don't like altdust ? 492920;1391974042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00085312 = 12.7115 BTC [-] 492921;1391974237;davout;so if frantic isn't that good i guess i'll have to settle on robocop 3 492922;1391974297;benkay;i saw a trailer for a new robocop last night 492923;1391974324;benkay;i love how american movies are 90% animated these days. actual actors must just be too damn expensive or the profit margins just darn slim. 492924;1391974347;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.581 = 2.905 BTC [-] {2} 492925;1391974348;davout;i watched it, it's fun 492926;1391974349;pankkake;so, does current detroit look like robocob detroit yet? 492927;1391974368;mircea_popescu;o thats right, robocop was in detroit huh 492928;1391974408;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.00546357 = 0.295 BTC [-] {6} 492929;1391974415;davout;i watched the original one a week ago, it is amazing, the haircuts, the glasses, the music everything 492930;1391974415;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 492931;1391974591;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.58066666 = 1.742 BTC [-] {2} 492932;1391974702;benkay;you won't catch me in detroit any time soon. the only dystopian megalopolis i'm interested in is buenos aires. 492933;1391974714;benkay;Detroit isn't even a proper city any more. 492934;1391974746;davout;weren't they supposed to be bankrupt? 492935;1391974762;Namworld;I hope Detroi becomes a complete ghost town eventually. 492936;1391974803;Namworld;I need a ghost modern city I won't have to take a plane accross the oceans to see in China. 492937;1391974884;mircea_popescu;if your definition of ghost town allows for squatters you can probably check out washington dc 492938;1391974889;mircea_popescu;or cairo for that matter. 492939;1391975022;Namworld;Cairo has the same issue as China. 492940;1391975039;Namworld;Maybe not for you I guess eh 492941;1391975050;mircea_popescu;smaller ocean anyway 492942;1391975083;mircea_popescu;actually, california and generally the us west is littered in 100% abandoned towns 492943;1391975094;mircea_popescu;they may not be very big, maybe a square mile or two, but still 492944;1391975112;ThickAsThieves; if your definition of ghost town allows for squatters you can probably check out washington dc <<< Asbury Park in NJ at least used to be ghostly 492945;1391975122;Namworld;If it's ghost enough, there won't be squatters, simply because there won't be food supplied to the area, because no shops open. 492946;1391975140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00085312 = 2.474 BTC [-] 492947;1391975142;mircea_popescu;right. check out the litany of abandoned mining towns all through ca, az, nm etc 492948;1391975151;Namworld;Unless they eat the roaches feeding on wood and glue. 492949;1391975210;mircea_popescu;squatters don't normally have money to buy anything in a shop anyway, so it's even 492950;1391975252;Namworld;There's no food to steal or find in dumptser too without shops. That's the issue. 492951;1391975273;mircea_popescu;Kern county has i think 100 or so abandoned settlements 492952;1391975284;ThickAsThieves;this topic should be elaborated upon further 492953;1391975315;Namworld;I was kinda hoping for a ghost town large enough to have skyscrapers in disrepair. 492954;1391975324;ThickAsThieves;you want apocalypse 492955;1391975335;ThickAsThieves;go watch Jericho 492956;1391975340;ThickAsThieves;or Walking Dead 492957;1391975358;mircea_popescu;Namworld that's not possible for a strict reason of closeness. 492958;1391975370;mircea_popescu;skyscrapers are relatively new tech, economy doesn't shift fast enough to have those yet. 492959;1391975382;Namworld;I can't visit tv shows tat... 492960;1391975390;ThickAsThieves;virtually! 492961;1391975393;mircea_popescu;unless it;s mismanagement (there are in egypt some towns developed but never occupied say) 492962;1391975395;Namworld;I know, that's why I said I hope that's how Detroit ends up. 492963;1391975419;Namworld;Eventually become the first specimen. 492964;1391975423;ThickAsThieves;wouldnt such a place also be too dangerous to visit? 492965;1391975441;Namworld;Naaaaahhh 492966;1391975449;mircea_popescu;he has bitcoins, what danger. 492967;1391975458;ThickAsThieves;let's go hang out in that empty skyscraper 492968;1391975489;Namworld;Depends on how long it's been left in disrepair I guess. 492969;1391975493;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves at least no plane's landing in that one naimean ? 492970;1391975523;ThickAsThieves;dunno, empty skyscrapers are bomb more than most no? 492971;1391975529;ThickAsThieves;bombed* 492972;1391975563;ThickAsThieves;to make new ones 492973;1391975569;mircea_popescu;not by mullahs 492974;1391975585;mircea_popescu;everyone else tends to give advance notice. 492975;1391975811;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.074 = 0.222 BTC [-] 492976;1391976543;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC 492977;1391977031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00085312 = 4.3509 BTC [-] 492978;1391977702;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1214987 BTC [+] 492979;1391977885;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34452 @ 0.00085161 = 29.3397 BTC [-] {4} 492980;1391977895;punkman;Alibaba is such a shithole. Every other day they send me this useless email "Shop the best deals & discounted items!!!!11lol!!" 492981;1391977992;punkman;Mouser one the other hand is kinda nice, "You have purchased the following part number(s) from Mouser Electronics within the last two years. The manufacturer has published a Product Change Notice. Please click on manufacturer part number to view product details and similar products for replacements." 492982;1391978016;mircea_popescu;word. 492983;1391978162;punkman;generic tact switch is EOL'd. Clearly I should know about this. 492984;1391978226;mircea_popescu;dude this bitcoin thing is such a ponzi 492985;1391978233;ThickAsThieves;told ya 492986;1391978237;mircea_popescu;like the past week, right ? it lost like 30% of value and now... it stopped. 492987;1391978247;mircea_popescu;this is how all ponzi schemes go. 492988;1391978280;punkman;ponzi schemes need at least a decade too 492989;1391978299;mircea_popescu;yeah 492990;1391978303;ThickAsThieves;when does bitcoin IPO? 492991;1391978306;punkman;satoshi is just waiting for the right moment 492992;1391978312;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 492993;1391978323;mircea_popescu;funny thing too : back before the alt explosion, the #1 "criticism" the general public had was "bitcoin is a ponzi" 492994;1391978339;mircea_popescu;now that joe q random can happily make his own crypto-ponzi, nobody says the word anymore. 492995;1391978352;mircea_popescu;obviously the entire thing was powered by the general public's jealousy 492996;1391978364;mircea_popescu;much like the entire "my neighbour is rich clearly he stole it" 492997;1391978395;mircea_popescu;if somehow the entire neighbourhood goes into theft nobody complains about how the rich stoled it anymore. because fundamentally everyman's objection isn't that someone's rich 492998;1391978402;mircea_popescu;but that he himself isn't being allowed to steal. 492999;1391978412;ThickAsThieves;we should make a fake press release from the bitcoin foundation saying Bitcoin Files Secretly Files for IPO, after we buy a bunch of https://www.google.com/finance?q=BTC&ei=jef3UrjDG8PcsQe6hQE 493000;1391978418;ThickAsThieves;see which news outlet bites first 493001;1391978431;mircea_popescu;let rpietilla and his vassal goat do that. 493002;1391978457;punkman;half my neighbours squatted on the land with shitty little houses, until they got a proper title and sold off to someone that could build an apartment building 493003;1391978469;davout;ThickAsThieves: sounds like it could work 493004;1391978536;mircea_popescu;http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20140117-907989.html <<< look! benton capital was IN THE PRESS 493005;1391978538;ozbot;(MKTW) Benton Capital Provides Update - WSJ.com 493006;1391978539;mircea_popescu;this matters! 493007;1391978550;mircea_popescu;the wsj yo! in the press! 493008;1391978629;ThickAsThieves;Apocalyptic / kakobrekla / jurov when will you release an altcoin exchange and host ATC trades? 493009;1391978636;mircea_popescu;one helluva balance sheet too 493010;1391978664;jurov;when mpex start accepting altcoins, then yes 493011;1391978702;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves what's the hurry anyway. 493012;1391978710;ThickAsThieves;no one will sell to me! 493013;1391978715;jurov;and what about sth like X.ALT ? 493014;1391978724;mircea_popescu;aww poor tat. 493015;1391978734;mircea_popescu;you know someone in the thread was making an offer iirc ? 493016;1391978739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 388 @ 0.00047495 = 0.1843 BTC [+] {8} 493017;1391978747;mircea_popescu;jurov you wanna mm that ? 493018;1391978762;jurov;haha why not? 493019;1391978781;mircea_popescu;lol 493020;1391978808;mircea_popescu;you have significant atc holdings and the ability to make deliveries ? 493021;1391978824;jurov;no :( 493022;1391978825;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456019.msg5039363#msg5039363 493023;1391978827;ozbot;Creating my own bitcoin bank 493024;1391978830;mircea_popescu;"A bank isn't something you start on a whim after drawing a doodle on a napkin" 493025;1391978832;mircea_popescu;sez mpoe-pr 493026;1391978844;mircea_popescu;these fuckwits jesus christ. HI GUISE I R BANK H3 493027;1391978874;mircea_popescu;. If it's not immediately clear to you why citizen banking is a bad idea in general, I'd suggest paying the first person you can find who can draw a flow chart of themselves, your torso, and a scalpel to perform heart surgery on you; on the off-chance you survive, the recovery time'd make for good reconsidering. 493028;1391978880;mircea_popescu;god i love her. 493029;1391978964;ThickAsThieves;okay so what signal is it that the forum is starting to like her too? 493030;1391978974;ThickAsThieves;we've bottomed i guess 493031;1391978978;mircea_popescu;maybe. 493032;1391979002;ThickAsThieves;Class of 2013, dismissed! 493033;1391979014;ThickAsThieves;time to educate a new bubble 493034;1391979036;mircea_popescu;that must be it 493035;1391979044;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 399 @ 0.00300233 = 1.1979 BTC [-] {13} 493036;1391979059;pankkake;no glowing ignore makes minds more open? 493037;1391979077;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg5030535#msg5030535 << check it out 493038;1391979082;ThickAsThieves;oh yeah, howd she lose that? 493039;1391979087;mircea_popescu;people are like pointing cubes and so on 493040;1391979091;punkman;related: http://thebcbank.com/ 493041;1391979093;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves no idea 493042;1391979096;pankkake;because thermos can't fix the forum 493043;1391979111;mircea_popescu;punkman a wonder they missed out on adding thc in there 493044;1391979137;mircea_popescu;"home bitcoin simple trustworthy" 493045;1391979144;punkman;not related but BTC Bank is a thing: http://btcbank.com/ 493046;1391979160;mircea_popescu;i rue the day i'll end up in a car filled with buttons labeled conveniently "easy" "simple" "fun" etc for my convenience. 493047;1391979173;mircea_popescu;who runs it ? 493048;1391979179;punkman;maybe they could make some money suing US companies with BTC in their name 493049;1391979195;ozbot;[SHA256] Altcoin 493050;1391979205;ThickAsThieves;lol ozbot 493051;1391979230;mircea_popescu;punkman oh i c. yeah. 493052;1391979322;jurov;maybe i said it already but still, how will the OS work in 50 years? 493053;1391979332;KRS-One;wait..wut 493054;1391979334;jurov;1. linux will ahve one button "Do What I Mean" 493055;1391979335;punkman;if you would please scroll down to "Close Buisness Button" on thebcbank.com 493056;1391979348;jurov;2. windows will have one button "Make Me Happy" 493057;1391979350;davout;punkman: this part is brilliant 493058;1391979357;jurov;3. mac will have no button at all 493059;1391979363;davout;just below "Apporval Escillation" 493060;1391979366;mircea_popescu;jurov why, operated by anal dildo ? 493061;1391979379;mircea_popescu;davout you're making this shit up rite ? 493062;1391979391;davout;see for yourself 493063;1391979404;davout;how can this be 493064;1391979406;mircea_popescu;for the love of odesk already 493065;1391979416;davout;what did we do 493066;1391979421;mircea_popescu;why are children allowed out of the mines again ? 493067;1391979443;mircea_popescu;i tell you, i read those stories about x company using forced child labour and my only two thoughts are 493068;1391979443;punkman;they will soon be in the bitcoin mines again 493069;1391979443;davout;"Your balance : 5 POTATOES" 493070;1391979458;mircea_popescu;a. i bet you they don't whip them nearly enough and b. why the fuck aren't they doing this to white kids already. 493071;1391979478;KRS-One;davout: link? 493072;1391979486;ThickAsThieves;"All security and fraud employees have access to immediately begin cold-storage draining of all accounts to cooresponding offline wallets to prevent any further loss of funds. " 493073;1391979488;KRS-One;from what I saw of odesk it seemed like a cesspool 493074;1391979502;davout;KRS-One: "not related but BTC Bank is a thing: http://btcbank.com/" 493075;1391979510;davout;oh no wrong link 493076;1391979514;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves mtgox ? 493077;1391979517;davout;http://thebcbank.com/ 493078;1391979520;ThickAsThieves;bcbank 493079;1391979531;mircea_popescu;how can that thing lose funds. what funds. 493080;1391979538;KRS-One;hah 493081;1391979538;davout;mircea_popescu: right below "Apporval Escillation" XD 493082;1391979541;mircea_popescu;but hey, at least they say funds rather than founds. 493083;1391979552;davout;mircea_popescu: they'll fix it shortly 493084;1391979554;mircea_popescu;which you know... coulda been quite humorous. "hello, your founds are losts" 493085;1391979561;punkman;"All security and fraud employees have access to immediately begin cold-storage draining of all accounts to cooresponding offline wallets" 493086;1391979571;punkman;how do you go from cold storage to "offline" wallets? 493087;1391979573;ThickAsThieves;"Layers like an onion 493088;1391979573;ThickAsThieves;Nothing is 100% secure. For this reason we bild our systems in layers preventing attackers from accessing data even if they are able penetrate a system." 493089;1391979576;mircea_popescu;punkman you're like from the 70s daddy-o :D 493090;1391979601;ThickAsThieves;if ur bild they r come 493091;1391979603;punkman;is that a good thing? 493092;1391979604;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves sounds like they also invented pantyhose. 493093;1391979625;mircea_popescu;punkman just meant we have already been wtf-ing at the exac tquote for like 20 seconds 493094;1391979634;mircea_popescu;which is the 70s on the information superhighway timeline 493095;1391979637;KRS-One;They can speel really well too.. "Close Buisness Button" 493096;1391979643;mircea_popescu;o gawd 493097;1391979646;ThickAsThieves;lol 493098;1391979652;davout;ALTCOIN WAI U NO BUILD 493099;1391979668;punkman;I'm just adding to the history archives 493100;1391979668;mircea_popescu;bubbld buile 493101;1391979674;punkman;these logs are forever 493102;1391979732;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg5040231#msg5040231 << the answer, of course, is "because i am 12 and wat is dis" 493103;1391979768;ThickAsThieves;pankakke had a gun to my head 493104;1391979776;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 216 @ 0.0055 = 1.188 BTC 493105;1391979795;KRS-One;If all security and fraud employees have access to drain the accounts that means everyone potentially has access..am I wrong? 493106;1391979823;ThickAsThieves;you are right, maybe it's a scam 493107;1391979825;KRS-One;Each user should have a wallet that only they can access. 493108;1391979835;mircea_popescu;no because then what banking 493109;1391979861;pankkake;davout: trying -qt or d? 493110;1391979867;mircea_popescu;davout you know, maybe at some point you should consider acquiring a compiler or build environment or something 493111;1391979871;mircea_popescu;nothing ever builds for you. 493112;1391979887;mircea_popescu;maybe drop the accents. 493113;1391979896;davout;i don't need to, i have an appstore yo 493114;1391979900;KRS-One;yeh try another build environment 493115;1391979902;ThickAsThieves;altcoin doesnt speak french 493116;1391979905;ThickAsThieves;it's true 493117;1391979910;davout;bitcoind built fine 493118;1391979911;mircea_popescu;you mean it's vrai 493119;1391979916;pankkake;depending on your boost version, you might have to revert something 493120;1391979925;mircea_popescu;he has boost ? 493121;1391979926;pankkake;gécécé 493122;1391979949;mircea_popescu;you know, incidentally, we should have french day sometime 493123;1391979960;mircea_popescu;when everyone's required to speak french and english => kick 493124;1391979967;davout;mot 493125;1391979972;mircea_popescu;ehehe 493126;1391979984;davout;s/ehehe/éhéhé/ 493127;1391979990;mircea_popescu;(ehehe cveut dire hehehe en francais) 493128;1391980005;davout;or if you speak html éhéhé 493129;1391980031;ThickAsThieves;do that on a day the media ends up in here 493130;1391980041;davout;pankkake and i shall now proceed to teach french to assets using only yo mamma jokes 493131;1391980080;ThickAsThieves;Your mom is so fat. 493132;1391980101;ThickAsThieves;oh well 493133;1391980107;Namworld;utf-8. No more html entities. 493134;1391980109;davout;that didn't work so well 493135;1391980113;taub;oh holy cow 493136;1391980119;taub;i didnt realize gox hat withdrawl troubles again 493137;1391980126;mircea_popescu;s/héhéhé/ĥeĥeĥe 493138;1391980137;pankkake;that's one hipster h 493139;1391980139;taub;way out of the loop with bitcoin stuff 493140;1391980150;mircea_popescu;taub myeah. 493141;1391980151;Namworld;Old news taub 493142;1391980154;ThickAsThieves;it's 70s day 493143;1391980166;mircea_popescu;i just shaved and had my hair cut] 493144;1391980171;mircea_popescu;how am i ever going to fit in nao 493145;1391980179;ThickAsThieves;lie 493146;1391980187;davout;mircea_popescu: just keep the same suit 493147;1391980193;mircea_popescu;zing 493148;1391980198;davout;:p 493149;1391980272;davout;bitcoin-actifs 493150;1391980289;mircea_popescu;#bitcoin-hyper-actifs 493151;1391980340;mircea_popescu;i checked it for good measure but no one there. 493152;1391980349;mircea_popescu;i guess the french don't have assets 493153;1391980412;davout;who cares, we have the "french-touch" 493154;1391980435;mircea_popescu;what, the plague ? 493155;1391980440;ThickAsThieves;turns everyting into mold? 493156;1391980444;davout;that's what you hear all day on the radio, "blah blah blah economy shitty, blah blah, but hey, french touch!" 493157;1391980469;mircea_popescu;i think the french touch is when the girl is working in the garden and you jump her 493158;1391980481;pankkake;french touch is basically some sort of French talent. of course, that talent goes to work elsewhere 493159;1391980483;mircea_popescu;and then a few hours later you find dry earth in your hair and get all wtf 493160;1391980528;mircea_popescu;Ħ << this is the french capital H. 493161;1391980532;mircea_popescu;as you can see, it's on stroke. 493162;1391980568;Namworld;French-Touch: 2D12 necrotic damage + 3D4 acid damage + 3D4 poison damage 493163;1391980575;davout;lol 493164;1391980576;Namworld;Very, very nasty 493165;1391980587;mircea_popescu;that's the french kiss 493166;1391980592;mircea_popescu;keep your bodyparts straight, 493167;1391980596;mircea_popescu;even if the french don't. 493168;1391980653;mircea_popescu;also, when moiety comes back we gotta do "moque l'ecosse" day. 493169;1391980685;jurov;Ħôtel 493170;1391980780;mircea_popescu;Ŵĥ♀ŗŧeł 493171;1391980815;mircea_popescu;look ma, i speak thai! 493172;1391980834;pankkake;or 13 year old girl 493173;1391980882;Namworld;Eh 493174;1391980941;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg5024602#msg5024602 493175;1391980943;ozbot;ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It 493176;1391980943;mircea_popescu;le win. 493177;1391981057;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30150 @ 0.0008546 = 25.7662 BTC [+] {2} 493178;1391981179;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.0008502 = 11.8603 BTC [-] 493179;1391981667;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00546032 = 0.1802 BTC [-] {4} 493180;1391982155;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12149947 = 0.6075 BTC [+] {5} 493181;1391982271;moiety;bonjour monsieurs, que quelqu'un a dit tartan?! 493182;1391982299;moiety;aussi: http://www.brainwreck.com/lists/792/15-Questionable-Drawings-Found-In-Children-s-Textbooks-These-Students-Were-Obviously-Bored-In-Class/1 493183;1391982371;davout;moiety: énorme! 493184;1391982633;mircea_popescu;tartarin de tartarascogne! 493185;1391982955;mircea_popescu;http://cdn.brainwreck.com/2013/7/10/brainwreck.com_14977_1389736641.jpg herp 493186;1391982964;mircea_popescu;i dunno in what shitty country that's the average woman srsly. 493187;1391983034;davout;which one are you referring to? 493188;1391983071;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 493189;1391983102;mircea_popescu;the one on the right., 493190;1391983108;mircea_popescu;barbie is about 20. the average twenty year old is not built like a flatbed truck 493191;1391983115;mircea_popescu;maybe in like south america or some shit. 493192;1391983122;mircea_popescu;french polynesia 493193;1391983125;davout;lol 493194;1391983141;pankkake;both are hideous 493195;1391983169;mircea_popescu;yes but only one made a pretense to accuracy 493196;1391983172;mircea_popescu;the other's just a toy. 493197;1391983192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10655 @ 0.00085626 = 9.1235 BTC [+] 493198;1391983208;pankkake;left is a giraffe with no boobs, right is a trunk with no boobs 493199;1391983215;davout;does it claims it represents the average *20* woman ? 493200;1391983221;davout;or just the average woman? 493201;1391983230;davout;s/claims/claim/ 493202;1391983241;mircea_popescu;;;later tell Jere_Jones now is the time when you go "o hello assets, you were right, i was wrong, thank you for advising me even if i was too clueless to understand you know much better than me" 493203;1391983241;gribble;The operation succeeded. 493204;1391983242;pankkake;and missing the sexiest body part, the navel 493205;1391983247;KRS-One;eww 493206;1391983280;davout;i just learned a new english word, yay! 493207;1391983325;mircea_popescu;davout which ? 493208;1391983337;davout;navel 493209;1391983352;pankkake;navel, or belly button 493210;1391983369;mircea_popescu;aha. 493211;1391983371;davout;it made me wtf, my brain had this mental image : https://www.google.fr/search?q=navet&client=firefox-a&hs=l6d&rls=org.mozilla:fr:official&channel=fflb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=8_r3UqjJK46O7QaMtYGYBg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1262&bih=1255 493212;1391983378;mircea_popescu;navet lol 493213;1391983396;mircea_popescu;davout i guess you're right, a large part of the problem was semantical anyway 493214;1391983433;mod6;aw sweet: http://atc.blockr.io/ 493215;1391983460;davout;indeed, as hitler once said: "most problems are semitic" 493216;1391983533;Jere_Jones;o hello assets, you were right, i was wrong, thank you for advising me even if i was too clueless to understand you know much better than me 493217;1391983560;Duffer1;it's ok bro 493218;1391983564;Duffer1;lets hug it out 493219;1391983608;Jere_Jones;I resisted the advice, but in the end, I did follow it. 493220;1391983698;mircea_popescu;smart guy. 493221;1391983734;mircea_popescu;post averted, i was just about to publish a rant about how they jus' don 493222;1391983737;mircea_popescu;'t listen. 493223;1391983741;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.12246425 = 1.7145 BTC [+] {10} 493224;1391983743;mircea_popescu;but tbh much happier this way. 493225;1391983745;mircea_popescu;less work. 493226;1391983771;Jere_Jones;I'm glad that I could save you some work. 493227;1391983775;mircea_popescu;lol 493228;1391983891;moiety;so you don't want me to give Valeria Lukyanova a call then mircea_popescu? 493229;1391984053;mircea_popescu;moiety whossat and why not ? 493230;1391984097;mircea_popescu;o the tiraspol chick 493231;1391984107;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 493232;1391984128;mircea_popescu;it's not such a rare body type for white eastern girls. pretty much the true caucasian type. 493233;1391984214;moiety;yep, she talks to aliens you know 493234;1391984229;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07325 = 0.1465 BTC [-] 493235;1391984291;moiety;it's not rare when you remove a rib or two, no. Aside from that, it's her makeup that looks really out of place 493236;1391984301;mircea_popescu;she actually missing ribs ? 493237;1391984317;moiety;yeah shehad a couple removed she said once 493238;1391984324;moiety;refuses to give actual age 493239;1391984371;mircea_popescu;she can't be over 30 can she ? 493240;1391984398;KRS-One;if you are a man and have some ribs removed you can give yourself oral..so the story goes. 493241;1391984418;KRS-One;.bait 493242;1391984460;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m163jrABOs1qdhl8uo1_1280.jpg 493243;1391984469;mircea_popescu;see ? you gotta rub the clit a little. 493244;1391984472;mircea_popescu;nipples don't do anything. 493245;1391984482;KRS-One;I'll try that next time..thought ozbot was a dude. 493246;1391984499;KRS-One;That girls ass on teh Saving Abel album revs my motor 493247;1391984500;KRS-One;http://cdn.idolator.com/assets/resources/2008/03/61uA7e%2BS4UL._SS500_.jpg 493248;1391984639;moiety;KRS-One: that rumour comes from Prince, it's what he apparently had done 493249;1391984663;moiety;mircea_popescu: nah, can't be over 30. I'm thinking she is protecting future guesses down the line 493250;1391984686;mircea_popescu;haha 493251;1391984701;mircea_popescu;maybe she's just a traditionally brought up girl that doesn't suck it, doesn't swallow and doesn't share her age 493252;1391984711;mircea_popescu;she just does weird makeup, has boobjobs and ribs removed that's all 493253;1391984727;moiety;of course she doesn't, she's been too busy locked in her room piling on the makeup or in a hospital ward! 493254;1391984745;mircea_popescu;u jelly ? 493255;1391984757;moiety;there is a creepy man version ken .. whats minus bait?! http://starcasm.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Justin_Jedlica_Human_Ken_doll.jpg 493256;1391984772;mircea_popescu;whoa. 493257;1391984791;mircea_popescu;moiety if you know how to code you can prolly make an irc bot to do men pics 493258;1391984801;mircea_popescu;maybe command could be ..beat 493259;1391984858;Duffer1;.bloke 493260;1391984873;moiety;my coding would probably return pics of caravans or something 493261;1391984884;moiety;lol .bloke is good 493262;1391984926;mircea_popescu;irc bots are not that hard, you just get a supybot to run and then learn to tweak it 493263;1391984954;mircea_popescu;if you're not doing anything else, learning to turn a new trick can only improve your street value. 493264;1391984965;moiety;i had started a discussion point bot, to give people things to talk about so i didn't have to drag them through daily conversation so much 493265;1391984990;mircea_popescu;you know what a markov chain is ? 493266;1391985004;moiety;no...? 493267;1391985017;mircea_popescu;hm. anyone have a link handy to that number guesser asciilifeform made ? 493268;1391985069;mircea_popescu;aha. 493269;1391985080;mircea_popescu;http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html moiety try that, see if you can get above 70% or so 493270;1391985128;moiety;kk if you don't hear back from me, i jumped out the window at a 1% score 493271;1391985155;mircea_popescu;don't do anything drastic like hurting yourself over failure 493272;1391985157;ozbot;Man vs. Machine. 493273;1391985166;mircea_popescu;if you must have the negative reinforcement just do humiliation, 493274;1391985174;mircea_popescu;post pics with stuff inserted or w/e. 493275;1391985178;mircea_popescu;much healtheir on the long run 493276;1391985328;moiety;ha that is a neat little page 493277;1391985345;mircea_popescu;the "brain" involved is an application of markov chains. 493278;1391985353;mircea_popescu;they're famous for allowing computers to fool humans. 493279;1391985379;moiety;fuck is that where captchas came from? 493280;1391985384;mircea_popescu;nah 493281;1391985388;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [-] {2} 493282;1391985392;mircea_popescu;captchas come from stupid, this comes from math 493283;1391985510;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.05074957 = 0.203 BTC [-] {2} 493284;1391985554;moiety;[71.43 think i will stop there.] ty, this is a good example 493285;1391985630;jurov;lol that would be proper anticaptcha 493286;1391985632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.000851 = 28.3809 BTC [-] {2} 493287;1391985637;jurov;no humans allowed 493288;1391985693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12400001 = 0.62 BTC [+] 493289;1391985998;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 493290;1391986425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00085081 = 6.7214 BTC [-] 493291;1391986509;moiety;http://www.scpr.org/news/2014/02/09/42085/dumb-starbucks-coffee-shop-opens-in-los-feliz/ 493292;1391986515;mod6;;;view 493293;1391986525;gribble;#19541 Sun Feb 9 17:54:58 2014 mod6 BUY 100000.0 ATC @ 1.8e-06 BTC ((Want to buy up to 100,000 ATC for around 0.00000180 BTC each, ~0.18 BTC total. Smaller amounts ok too! Must have WoT rating. PM me, lets make a deal!) 493294;1391986527;ozbot;'Dumb Starbucks' stupid mystery: Who's behind the faux coffee front in Los Feliz? | 89.3 KPCC 493295;1391986608;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [-] 493296;1391986609;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12400001 = 0.372 BTC [+] 493297;1391986626;nubbins`;lovely use of parody 493298;1391986646;moiety;the coffee is the art 493299;1391986665;moiety;lol nice. so who is up for dumb gox? 493300;1391986669;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 493301;1391986725;moiety;you think this will lead to more? 493302;1391986730;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018689 = 0.1869 BTC [+] 493303;1391986746;mod6;ok well, guess its order #19542 now 493304;1391986798;mod6;cleaned it up a bit. better rate if someone has mpex account and can receive btc through there. 493305;1391986838;mod6;(will PUSH) 493306;1391986865;mircea_popescu;moiety o hey, you actualy did it ? 493307;1391986926;moiety;how could i not?! http://i.imgur.com/3sLaLCp.png 493308;1391986950;mircea_popescu;who the fuck waits an hour for a cup of coffee 493309;1391986957;mircea_popescu;i don't care it is free, what bummery is this 493310;1391986977;nubbins`;who camps outside a store for a cheap tv? 493311;1391986979;mircea_popescu;moiety haha over a little more than 6 plays 493312;1391986982;nubbins`;i think it's an american thing 493313;1391986991;pankkake;coffee is typically a I WANT THIS NOW thing with me 493314;1391986997;mircea_popescu;nubbins` but a tv i can see. some poor people save for a tv. 493315;1391986999;nubbins`;pankkake, +1 493316;1391987002;mircea_popescu;who the fuck saves for a cup of coffee 493317;1391987020;pankkake;especially since it comes out faster than tea, I conditionned myself like that 493318;1391987021;nubbins`;poor people who like starbucks, that's who 493319;1391987042;mircea_popescu;pankkake it's service, right ? the value of a cup of coffee in and of itself is ~zero 493320;1391987052;nubbins`;FWIW, starbucks regular drip coffee isn't any more expensive than any other coffee shop 493321;1391987054;mircea_popescu;nubbins` what's to like ?! it's a cafeteria. 493322;1391987080;nubbins`;tastes like shit for reasons which many obstinately ignore, but that's another discussion 493323;1391987109;mircea_popescu;"Despite the popularity, customers seemed confused about what exactly was going on." 493324;1391987115;nubbins`;so, bitcoin 493325;1391987121;mircea_popescu;"I have no idea what's going on yet i'm stuffing shit in my mouth" 493326;1391987137;mircea_popescu;it is beyond me how that entire thing continues to function. 493327;1391987164;nubbins`;you'd be surprised how many people have said to me "YOU CAN'T DO THAT YOU'LL GET SUED" after seeing some star wars parody shirts we printed for a client 493328;1391987185;pankkake;from what I understand it's a place you go to show how cool you are 493329;1391987214;mircea_popescu;pankkake wouldn't all that be nullified by a) it being free and b) you waiting in line ? 493330;1391987220;nubbins`;pankkake, the feeling of power than one gets from having a very long-winded, very specific drink order plays a part in this too 493331;1391987227;mircea_popescu;wait what ?! 493332;1391987250;pankkake;of course not you have to stand in line in cool places 493333;1391987254;pankkake;otherwise it can't be cool 493334;1391987270;mircea_popescu;wait wait. so basically... they want to be me, except with something small that they can understand. it's not "build me a thing so and so and back and forth", which is what execs do all day. 493335;1391987282;nubbins`;"i'll have a coffee" is what a prole says 493336;1391987288;mircea_popescu;it's "make me a coffee so and so etc", which hey, ceo for drinks ? 493337;1391987290;nubbins`;"i'll have a quad grande six pump vanilla one inch steamed breve Americano" is what a cultured person says 493338;1391987303;mircea_popescu;i usually say "order me a coffee" 493339;1391987327;nubbins`;"order me a triple venti decaf 120 degrees skinny hazelnut wet latte" 493340;1391987332;pankkake;lol 493341;1391987335;mircea_popescu;well she's supposed to know what to order 493342;1391987340;mod6;speaking of starbucks.. i hardly ever go there. but the other day i was like, "hi, tall black coffee plz." then they served me the kiddy cup. im like "wtf!?" 493343;1391987343;nubbins`;fwiw these are seriously drinks you can order 493344;1391987350;nubbins`;mod6, tall is small 493345;1391987352;moiety;mircea_popescu: wait, lmao was i only meant to have 6 tries?! 493346;1391987355;mircea_popescu;what's a venti ? 493347;1391987362;nubbins`;it's italian for 20 493348;1391987367;nubbins`;and thus, 20oz of drink 493349;1391987367;mircea_popescu;moiety no, i mean, do like 200 493350;1391987379;mircea_popescu;but the italians don't use ounces 493351;1391987379;moiety;and re coffee: my first thought was what are they serving? there's no licence and it's free, could be anything 493352;1391987388;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: nor do they allow starbucks in their country 493353;1391987391;nubbins`;(lel x100) 493354;1391987394;mod6;yeah, they told me that, and im like thinkin... 'only in starbucks-universe, when someone orders a `tall` they give you a kiddy cup' 493355;1391987409;mircea_popescu;so how do you say tall, grande ? 493356;1391987410;moiety;ahhh but but but mircea_popescu ... i'm at 71% lol that won't stick if i keep playing XD 493357;1391987412;nubbins`;mod6, the kiddy cup is a "short" 493358;1391987423;nubbins`;from smallest to biggest: short, tall, grande, venti 493359;1391987431;mod6;*sigh* 493360;1391987435;mircea_popescu;what happens if i order insalata caprese ? 493361;1391987437;nubbins`;short isn't on the menu 493362;1391987437;mod6;when did coffee get so complicated? 493363;1391987448;mircea_popescu;mod6 when the us got involved. 493364;1391987453;mod6;^^ 493365;1391987454;moiety;what on earth do they call espressos? 493366;1391987456;nubbins`;mod6, when the average disposable income reached a certain point 493367;1391987457;pankkake;I've been almost a week without coffee, this discussion is torture! 493368;1391987463;nubbins`;moiety: espresso :) 493369;1391987466;mircea_popescu;pankkake so have some coffee 493370;1391987477;moiety;nubbins`: so disappointing... 493371;1391987479;nubbins`;nod. 493372;1391987486;pankkake;forbidden by my doctor 493373;1391987494;moiety;decaff! 493374;1391987505;mircea_popescu;your doctor who is french forbid to you, a frenchman, coffee ? and this happened in france ? 493375;1391987510;nubbins`;heh 493376;1391987510;mircea_popescu;what are you supposed to do after lunch ? 493377;1391987515;nubbins`;drink cigarette tea? 493378;1391987516;moiety;malpractice! 493379;1391987518;mod6;cocaine 493380;1391987520;nubbins`;heh 493381;1391987531;pankkake;it's temporary of course 493382;1391987536;pankkake;no alcohol either 493383;1391987547;pankkake;no sport (that, I can do) 493384;1391987550;mircea_popescu;and no girljuice ? 493385;1391987574;nubbins`;"The Double Ristretto Venti Half-Soy Nonfat Decaf Organic Chocolate Brownie Iced Vanilla Double-Shot Gingerbread Frappuccino Extra Hot With Foam Whipped Cream Upside Down Double Blended, One Sweet'N Low and One Nutrasweet, and Ice is the longest possible order you could order at Starbucks." 493386;1391987584;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59889998 BTC [+] 493387;1391987587;pankkake;:| 493388;1391987588;mircea_popescu;half-soy ? 493389;1391987591;mircea_popescu;what's the other half ? 493390;1391987593;mod6;holy shit nubbins` 493391;1391987605;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, milk 493392;1391987609;pankkake;so I guess starbucks, with macdonalds, is a place where I will never understand orders 493393;1391987612;moiety;you poor soul pankkake how long have you got to suffer this lifestyle? 493394;1391987612;mircea_popescu;but that's not nonfat 493395;1391987618;nubbins`;skim milk. 493396;1391987626;pankkake;moiety: hopefully just a few days 493397;1391987627;mircea_popescu;moiety he could just get an enema, but he's too bicurious for that. 493398;1391987627;pankkake;left 493399;1391987645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00085259 = 14.8777 BTC [+] 493400;1391987647;pankkake;sadly only straight 493401;1391987656;nubbins`;“This is exactly why I only order the Blueberry Muffins from Starbucks.” ~ Oscar Wilde 493402;1391987669;moiety;lol 493403;1391987674;mircea_popescu;what happens if you go "vodka" 493404;1391987681;moiety;gonna make kiwi and apple muffins tomorrow 493405;1391987685;nubbins`;confused looks 493406;1391987697;pankkake;what would happen if I go to there and ask for coffee, black? 493407;1391987701;moiety;sounds like a plan to find out mircea_popescu 493408;1391987707;nubbins`;they ask if you want a dark or medium roast 493409;1391987718;moiety;they probably wouldn't understand pankkake 493410;1391987718;mircea_popescu;i don't think they have one in this town, and likely i wouldn't want to go there anyway 493411;1391987733;nubbins`;they actually wonder if you'd like a dark roast or pure carbon 493412;1391987738;nubbins`;but they say "dark or medium" 493413;1391987741;mircea_popescu;what if you go there and tell the girl "i just want you for the sex" ? 493414;1391987743;moiety;i never know if im in starbucks or costa coffee 493415;1391987754;moiety;i think they call the police mircea_popescu 493416;1391987757;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, they pour scalding water on you 493417;1391987779;mircea_popescu;how do they call the police ? "hello officer. vente low fat nutrasour evilguy!!!!" ? 493418;1391987781;nubbins`;notably, international starbucks locations all use the same terminology 493419;1391987796;nubbins`;so you can go to a starbucks in, say, romania and order the same drink you do in seattle 493420;1391987797;moiety;lololololol 493421;1391987807;mircea_popescu;but i don't order it in seattle either 493422;1391987811;mircea_popescu;so i guess this is true... 493423;1391987815;nubbins`;a hypothetical you 493424;1391987824;mircea_popescu;that could be a song 493425;1391987826;nubbins`;not even mcdonald's provides this level of americanization 493426;1391987830;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC 493427;1391987831;mircea_popescu;like for a chick with a guitar 493428;1391987837;nubbins`;"i guess this is true... a hypothetical you..." 493429;1391987837;mircea_popescu;"a hypotetical you darlin' 493430;1391987842;mircea_popescu;ridin' a hipopotamus 493431;1391987853;mircea_popescu;could order in a hypopotetical romania 493432;1391987856;nubbins`;"complex coffee for two..." 493433;1391987862;mircea_popescu;the same coffee he wouldn't order in seattle either" 493434;1391987865;moiety;i really want coffee now too 493435;1391987867;pankkake;I need to find more of the coffee I got at christmas. from tanzania 493436;1391987879;nubbins`;know what pisses me off about tanzanian coffee? 493437;1391987889;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC 493438;1391987895;mircea_popescu;that it spins around your kitchen screaming ? 493439;1391987902;pankkake;lol 493440;1391987904;nubbins`;no, that you can only buy peaberry coffee from there 493441;1391987905;davout;"complex coffee for two..." <<< lmao 493442;1391987905;mircea_popescu;or is that the tanzanian toffee 493443;1391987905;mod6;haha 493444;1391987909;nubbins`;that's tasmanian 493445;1391987921;mircea_popescu;nubbins` that's just the italian spelling 493446;1391987922;dub;why this talk of starbucks and coffee 493447;1391987932;nubbins`;heh 493448;1391987935;mircea_popescu;dub because people saw dumb on a marquee and got all excited 493449;1391987935;nubbins`;seriously tho. 493450;1391987937;dub;if you like coffee you've never been to startbucks 493451;1391987939;mircea_popescu;"o, it's our time now!!" 493452;1391987943;nubbins`;on average, 5% of coffee beans are peaberries. 493453;1391987954;nubbins`;and yet EVERY BAG OF COFFEE YOU CAN FIND from tanzania is 100% peaberries 493454;1391987963;nubbins`;and it's almost impossible to find a non-tanzanian peaberry 493455;1391987981;pankkake;what's peaberry? 493456;1391987983;mircea_popescu;they're probably peeberries anyway 493457;1391987987;nubbins`;this is for no good reason other than some asshole decades ago decided "hey, i'll sell all these peaberries as a tanzanian thing" 493458;1391987998;nubbins`;pankkake, it's when there's one bean in the cherry instead of two 493459;1391988016;nubbins`;http://www.seriouseats.com/images/20110115-peaberry.jpg 493460;1391988021;nubbins`;left is peaberry, right is normal 493461;1391988038;davout;it looks like potato-coffee 493462;1391988045;pankkake;oh… I don't remember how mine was 493463;1391988076;mircea_popescu;scam. my coffee was liquid 493464;1391988081;mircea_popescu;none of this solid fruit looking stuff 493465;1391988082;nubbins`;peaberry coffee is very dry 493466;1391988094;pankkake;thankfully you put water in it 493467;1391988096;nubbins`;feels like tea in your mouth 493468;1391988133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00085559 = 16.7268 BTC [+] {2} 493469;1391988144;nubbins`;some people prefer peaberry because they've been more carefully selected, but.. shrug 493470;1391988174;nubbins`;dub: my first coffee experiences as an adult were starbucks 493471;1391988182;nubbins`;then one day i had a real cup 493472;1391988194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00085631 = 3.5537 BTC [+] {2} 493473;1391988222;nubbins`;amazing bot 493474;1391988222;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 493475;1391988236;nubbins`;just checkin 493476;1391988248;dub;I'd die before going to starbucks 493477;1391988262;nubbins`;that's a bit extreme 493478;1391988274;pankkake;I don't think you are allowed in without a macbook anyway 493479;1391988278;nubbins`;^ heh 493480;1391988288;Duffer1;ha 493481;1391988289;mircea_popescu;o look, davout uses lvmh for a compiler. 493482;1391988292;nubbins`;saw a photo once of some asshole with a desktop computer set up in a starbucks 493483;1391988299;davout;mircea_popescu: hehe 493484;1391988314;mod6;nubbins`: he was there for the lan party 493485;1391988316;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00085654 = 15.5462 BTC [+] {2} 493486;1391988319;nubbins`;speaking of compiling, eulora fans are clamouring for a new release 493487;1391988337;nubbins`;mod6: lan, lattes and ___? 493488;1391988337;mircea_popescu;yeah, i know. 493489;1391988361;mircea_popescu;lan, lattes and lycantrophy 493490;1391988364;mod6;laaaaaaaaaag 493491;1391988373;nubbins`;there ya go 493492;1391988376;davout;i'll have a Double Ristretto Venti Half-Soy Nonfat Decaf Organic Chocolate Brownie compiler pl0x 493493;1391988403;nubbins`;i have a friend who used to work at a starbucks 493494;1391988422;nubbins`;the assholes would be secretly given decaf mon-thurs and regular on fridays 493495;1391988430;nubbins`;start the day off with a nice migraine 493496;1391988438;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02761 = 0.2761 BTC [-] 493497;1391988446;mircea_popescu;pool rate 373GH/s whoa altcoin is diggin' it 493498;1391988495;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you mean that camel piss is so bad people who drink it regularly can't tell decaf from normal ? 493499;1391988519;mircea_popescu;i can tell you if the milk is 2% or 2.5% ffs. 493500;1391988529;mod6;"i paid $8 for it, it /must/ be what I ordered!" 493501;1391988539;mircea_popescu;well then everyone's happy. 493502;1391988575;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: it's burnt to char, it all tastes the fucking same 493503;1391988579;nubbins`;BBL CHILI :DDDDDD 493504;1391988634;mircea_popescu;hey this blockr.io thing is neat. 493505;1391988639;mod6;ya! 493506;1391988729;jurov;gentlemen, should i happen to end up in starbucks again, 493507;1391988734;jurov;whats the the code for proper, nicely smelling, italian espresso? 493508;1391988752;copumpkin;"un espresso per favore" 493509;1391988754;moiety;i might just go and make muffins now, to go with coffee 493510;1391988779;jurov;so far i only attained some unidenfifiable brown beverage 493511;1391988858;mircea_popescu;jurov mezzo serbatoio benzina, schiuma greggio e stronzi oca galleggianti 493512;1391988865;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [-] 493513;1391988866;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.124 = 0.372 BTC [-] 493514;1391988867;jurov;haha 493515;1391988885;jurov;and the other day we went trying taco bell "they rly eat this????" 493516;1391988886;mircea_popescu;might take a venti or two in there, not sure. 493517;1391988926;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 493518;1391989001;jurov;everyone around here got addicted to original lavazza/franck and he like 493519;1391989009;jurov;i don't see starbucks happening here anytime soon 493520;1391989037;herbijudlestoids;mornin chaps 493521;1391989048;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [-] 493522;1391989049;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.124 = 0.372 BTC [-] 493523;1391989149;jurov;evening herbi 493524;1391989157;jurov;had cofee already? 493525;1391989169;mircea_popescu;heya. 493526;1391989170;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 13 @ 0.19376446 = 2.5189 BTC [+] {2} 493527;1391989231;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.07201922 = 0.9362 BTC [-] {8} 493528;1391989232;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.124 = 1.612 BTC [-] {2} 493529;1391989292;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 493530;1391989331;herbijudlestoids;jurov: i dont drink coffee 493531;1391989367;KRS-One;people where i live even make fun of taco bell...we call it "taco hell" 493532;1391989452;moiety;i have never sampled a taco in my life 493533;1391989475;jurov;didn't miss anything 493534;1391989488;nubbins`;taco bell sucks 493535;1391989488;jurov;*you haven't missed anything 493536;1391989491;Duffer1;bro, do you even burrito 493537;1391989492;moiety;hi herbi! 493538;1391989492;nubbins`;fries supreme is pretty good 493539;1391989499;moiety;lol enchiladas ftw 493540;1391989499;nubbins`;rest of it is just boiled turd 493541;1391989516;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, you have 2% AND 2.5% milk? 493542;1391989548;mircea_popescu;some countries are shitty and do 2% and 3%. some countries are beter and do 2.5% and 4% 493543;1391989555;moiety;gold top is the way forward in the milk world 493544;1391989557;mircea_popescu;i normally drink 6% unpasteurised farm stuff 493545;1391989567;nubbins`;we have 0, 0.5, 1, 2, 3.25 493546;1391989572;nubbins`;and then various creams and blends 493547;1391989574;mircea_popescu;that's shitty. 493548;1391989580;nubbins`;i like 1% 493549;1391989583;samson_;Dairy fat is good for you 493550;1391989593;mircea_popescu;why not just buy some actual milk and water it down yourself then 493551;1391989600;nubbins`;because canada 493552;1391989605;mircea_popescu;1% really has no business costing more than 1/3 of 3% 493553;1391989621;nubbins`;it's highly illegal to sell unpasteurized milk here 493554;1391989625;mircea_popescu;derp. 493555;1391989626;nubbins`;like, you'll go to jail 493556;1391989632;mircea_popescu;see ? shitty. 493557;1391989639;nubbins`;like, you can't even buy shares in a fucking cow 493558;1391989647;mircea_popescu;shares in a cow ?! 493559;1391989658;nubbins`;some farmer here used to sell unpasteurized milk 493560;1391989661;nubbins`;gov said no 493561;1391989662;mircea_popescu;what, you can't pool your moneyz with someone to buy a cow ? 493562;1391989666;nubbins`;so he sold essentially cow timeshares 493563;1391989671;nubbins`;entitling you to % of milk 493564;1391989674;mircea_popescu;haha 493565;1391989676;nubbins`;unpasteurized, natch 493566;1391989678;nubbins`;GOV SAID NO 493567;1391989680;nubbins`;charged his ass 493568;1391989682;moiety;gold top is 5.4% fat 493569;1391989683;mircea_popescu;who asked gov ? 493570;1391989696;nubbins`;well that's the rub 493571;1391989699;mircea_popescu;moiety sounds like a shade under ok. they prolly skim a little to make butter or w/e 493572;1391989699;Duffer1;was he not selling it in a bag? that could be the trouble 493573;1391989702;nubbins`;no-fucking-body 493574;1391989716;nubbins`;Duffer1 this "bag" thing is a mainland construct 493575;1391989721;nubbins`;here we do not have bag milk 493576;1391989737;Duffer1;:P 493577;1391989750;moiety;it's lovely mircea_popescu i could live off it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_Island_milk it's just like cream really 493578;1391989764;moiety;the cows are smaller apparently 493579;1391989766;nubbins`;now ostensibly the people buying this unpasteurized milk knew what they were doing 493580;1391989768;nubbins`;but hey 493581;1391989772;nubbins`;father knows best! 493582;1391989799;mircea_popescu;it's actually kinda unhealthy for kids to never have raw milk 493583;1391989807;nubbins`;oh, psh 493584;1391989810;mircea_popescu;i guess it's ok if they were breastfed, but anyway 493585;1391989817;nubbins`;it's unhealthy to not consume the milk of another species? 493586;1391989827;mircea_popescu;nubbins` cows are not exactly another species. 493587;1391989834;moiety;a woman just breastfed a puppy to save it's life 493588;1391989836;nubbins`;this should be good 493589;1391989842;nubbins`;do tell! 493590;1391989847;mircea_popescu;the introduction of the cow marked a major explosion in human society and evolution 493591;1391989855;mircea_popescu;we aren't human in any sense if that sense excludes cows. 493592;1391989867;mircea_popescu;we're a construct of our history, and they're in there. 493593;1391989868;jurov;and goats 493594;1391989874;nubbins`;how about all the places where cow milk isn't really a thing? 493595;1391989881;mircea_popescu;nubbins` those places are real shitholes. 493596;1391989887;nubbins`;south korea 493597;1391989888;mod6;they dont' count 493598;1391989890;mod6;haha 493599;1391989895;mircea_popescu;there's a reason europe kicked butt, and that reason has a lot to do with cows 493600;1391989902;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.07100005 = 0.213 BTC [-] 493601;1391989943;nubbins`;sure, but that's like saying wheat isn't another species 493602;1391989951;mircea_popescu;this all aside : it's not unhealthy per se. it's just that the imune system beenfits from the "dirty" that cow milk is. 493603;1391989962;nubbins`;sure, yeah 493604;1391989963;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.124 = 0.62 BTC [-] 493605;1391989966;mircea_popescu;that's about all. 493606;1391989969;jurov;except in times where it got its butt kicked by herds from the east (that subsisted almost exclusively on milk) 493607;1391989974;nubbins`;feeding your kid worms is healthy if you wanna go that route 493608;1391989979;mircea_popescu;jurov something like that. blood too i guess 493609;1391989999;mircea_popescu;nubbins` but see, we're not culturally and anthropologically a thing that resulted from 5k years of worm eating. 493610;1391990014;mod6;we feed our kids happy meals and grape soda... so there you hvae it. 493611;1391990036;mod6;2 litres at a time!!!!!1 493612;1391990043;mircea_popescu;when you say "human" you say that kind of chimp which domesticated cows and then drank their milk and so on and so forth 493613;1391990046;nubbins`;i'll have a 2 liter happy meal please! 493614;1391990085;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] 493615;1391990100;nubbins`;b.mine b.sell b.exch 493616;1391990113;nubbins`;b.realforonceinyourlife 493617;1391990184;nubbins`;so norway is doing well so far in sochi 493618;1391990205;nubbins`;7 medals, 2 gold 493619;1391990215;KRS-One;Fkrs 493620;1391990255;KRS-One;authenitc mexican food is quite good 493621;1391990259;mod6;remember when the medals use to be actual gold, silver and copper? at the last olympics they were just 'coated'. this time I've seen gaping holes in the medals. 493622;1391990283;mircea_popescu;whoa what a scam. 493623;1391990284;nubbins`;was it last time that the medals looked like CD-Rs? 493624;1391990288;mod6;srsly mp 493625;1391990290;mircea_popescu;"everyone gets paper medals" wtf. 493626;1391990306;nubbins`;KRS-One, authentic * is generally pretty good 493627;1391990310;mircea_popescu;yet another reason for me not to compete in the olympics 493628;1391990315;mircea_popescu;other than being too old and too lazy 493629;1391990325;nubbins`;marginally too old 493630;1391990335;nubbins`;there was a 33yo woman today won a medal in snowboarding 493631;1391990340;mircea_popescu;what'd i do, olympic shooting ? 493632;1391990346;nubbins`;yeah! 493633;1391990349;mircea_popescu;i guess that. 493634;1391990355;nubbins`;just learn to ski and there's biathlon right there 493635;1391990364;mircea_popescu;i can sky sort-of but meh 493636;1391990371;mod6;http://www.sochi2014.com/en/news-the-sochi-2014-organizing-committee-unveils-olympic-and-paralympic-winter-games-medals 493637;1391990371;ozbot;403 Forbidden 493638;1391990375;mod6;wtf 493639;1391990375;nubbins`;cut your dick off and compete with the women 493640;1391990389;nubbins`;lel @ ozbot 493641;1391990391;mircea_popescu;why would i want to compete with women w/o my dick ? that's the only reason to even do it 493642;1391990403;nubbins`;well they do a pants-check 493643;1391990409;mircea_popescu;why do they keep bundling olymptics with the lame&tard mockfest 493644;1391990419;mircea_popescu;is the idea someone will somehow consider them the same thing somewhere sometime ? 493645;1391990462;nubbins`;i think it's more because everything is already set up 493646;1391990478;mod6;things that make you go "hmmm." The last Olympic games where medals were made entirely of gold was 1912. 493647;1391990480;nubbins`;why break down the tables after the boy scouts banquet if the girl guides banquet is tomorrow? 493648;1391990481;mircea_popescu;so basically, since i have a bed anyway, some guy unrelated might as well come take a nap. 493649;1391990499;nubbins`;sure, yeah, if you're in a hotel. 493650;1391990503;mircea_popescu;mod6 100% gold is a problem tho. 493651;1391990505;mod6;If the London 2012 Games medals were made from solid gold, they would cost £25 million to make. 493652;1391990507;mircea_popescu;it's practically chocolate 493653;1391990509;mod6;HAHAH 493654;1391990511;mircea_popescu;comes off on your fingers 493655;1391990511;nubbins`;heh 493656;1391990544;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i wouldn't go to that hotel, cause im fucking cool, being the olympics. 493657;1391990547;nubbins`;heh. 493658;1391990554;nubbins`;i didn't think 100% gold was a thing, anyway. 493659;1391990554;mircea_popescu;and no you can't have my knife, this isn't a cafeteria, it's a restaurant 493660;1391990555;mircea_popescu;etc 493661;1391990566;mircea_popescu;didn't he say completely ? 493662;1391990589;nubbins`;entirely, but yes 493663;1391990620;nubbins`;1912, i'd say they were lucky to get three 9s of purity 493664;1391990634;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.124 = 0.248 BTC [-] 493665;1391990652;nubbins`;this is based on no research, but i stand by it 493666;1391990661;mircea_popescu;nah, you can get infinitely pure gold even on 1800s tech 493667;1391990661;mod6;Olympic Gold medals are required to be made from at least 92.5% silver, and must contain a minimum of 6 grams of gold. 493668;1391990673;mod6;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_medal 493669;1391990674;ozbot;Gold medal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 493670;1391990679;nubbins`;infinitely? not likely 493671;1391990690;nubbins`;99.999% is the best i've ever heard of 493672;1391990691;mircea_popescu;nubbins` only limited by your patience 493673;1391990701;nubbins`;and bankroll 493674;1391990705;mircea_popescu;well eyah 493675;1391990710;nubbins`;but still! 493676;1391990716;nubbins`;five 9s is, i think, the record 493677;1391990729;mircea_popescu;actually, you can prolly get three 9s at home in your kitchen 493678;1391990733;nubbins`;nod 493679;1391990740;nubbins`;diminishing returns after that 493680;1391990756;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 493681;1391990757;nubbins`;i think generally five 9s isn't done often because it's not worth the trouble 493682;1391990782;mircea_popescu;pretty much 493683;1391990785;nubbins`;altho once you're set up, no big deal 493684;1391990794;nubbins`;canada sells 99999 bullion at ~spot 493685;1391990822;nubbins`;untold $ to set up that sort of facility tho, no doubt 493686;1391990837;mircea_popescu;not really, man. just wash it in acid, piss in the thing 493687;1391990842;mircea_popescu;repeat until you're bored. 493688;1391990909;nubbins`;i think it would take me a while to get bored with pissing on gold 493689;1391990973;nubbins`;wow, they didn't even award gold medals until the 3rd modern olympics 493690;1391990987;nubbins`;was only silver/bronze for the first two 493691;1391991005;mircea_popescu;gold is valuable, yo. 493692;1391991008;mircea_popescu;almost like bitcoin 493693;1391991013;nubbins`;btc medal 493694;1391991025;mircea_popescu;(fun fact : even at the height at the gold standard, gold was RARELY seen in commerce if at all 493695;1391991038;mircea_popescu;most shopkeepers could live an entire shopkeeping life without ever seeing a gold coin) 493696;1391991075;nubbins`;but don't worry, stackers, you'll totally be able to use your krugerrands to buy groceries when SHTF 493697;1391991094;mircea_popescu;yeah, totally. 493698;1391991104;the20year;Ammo is much more useful 493699;1391991125;the20year;Just as good as a commodity as gold/silver, but can be used :) 493700;1391991153;punkman;cow might be better 493701;1391991160;mircea_popescu;i'd totally want to go hunting with a suppply of bullets that's spent the past three years being handled and knocked around in pockets by 5000 dorks. 493702;1391991167;the20year;Animals i'm sure could be used, but they're not easily transportable. 493703;1391991171;mircea_popescu;prolly shoot myself after the first two hours 493704;1391991212;the20year;Most of the guys that I know that stockpile ammo are keeping it in the factory sealed cans. In the US we get quite a bit of warsaw pac stuff that was designed to have 300+ year shelf lifes 493705;1391991232;mircea_popescu;yeah, but this is before shtf. 493706;1391991233;herbijudlestoids;john hussman is my fav fund manager...every monday he releases a weekly market comment, its a happy read for me http://hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc140210.htm 493707;1391991270;benkay;if you're really hedging against needing lots of bullets wouldn't it be better to throw down the cash for a milling machine and buy the individual chemical components? 493708;1391991278;nubbins`;i've got my doubts that any bullet would pass through more than a couple of hands after shtf 493709;1391991287;benkay;then mill the components into powder on demand? 493710;1391991298;nubbins`;benkay, what's a milling machine? 493711;1391991301;mircea_popescu;benkay down the same route : wouldn't the best investment be a large supply of keys to already installed cock cages ? 493712;1391991314;nubbins`;is that one of those weird things that doesn't work anymore since the shtf? 493713;1391991331;mircea_popescu;nubbins` no because it's hand operated by cockcaged slave guys 493714;1391991340;the20year;Depends benkay, the components are stockpiled by plenty of people, but not everyone has the knowhow to reload, and most shooters dont' trust other people who reload the ammo 493715;1391991340;benkay;no, no. a hand-cranked mill that mills powders into well-mixed other powders. 493716;1391991347;the20year;Too easy to doublecharge something and blow someone up 493717;1391991364;nubbins`;the20year, that's actually perfect 493718;1391991369;benkay;cock cages? 493719;1391991373;nubbins`;"i'll trade you 1 bullet for that chicken" 493720;1391991378;the20year;The chemical components are extremely expensive for modern powders and highly controlled, or you could buy a 8lb, or 24lb jug of mixed powder 493721;1391991380;nubbins`;guy takes your bullet, blows his face off 493722;1391991384;nubbins`;then you get all his chickens. 493723;1391991393;mircea_popescu;lol 493724;1391991398;the20year;The US did that in vietnam quite a bit, filled enemy bullets with high explosives and let them kill themselves 493725;1391991415;nubbins`;sneaky 493726;1391991416;mircea_popescu;and they totally won o nthat strategy 493727;1391991419;nubbins`;^ 493728;1391991426;nubbins`;well they got all the chickens anyway 493729;1391991427;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC 493730;1391991436;mircea_popescu;nubbins` it was mostly desperation, by that point. wasn't that widely employed, but hey. anything to maybe get an edge 493731;1391991438;the20year;For what it was, it was pretty effective, granted the US military foray into vietnam in of itself was idocy 493732;1391991443;nubbins`;ever try fighting a man who just ate a full chicken? 493733;1391991464;nubbins`;he doesn't want to be at it 493734;1391991474;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids "are about double the level that would generate historically adequate long-term returns" 493735;1391991475;nubbins`;"fuck off dude, srsly" 493736;1391991486;the20year;It's slightly more diffcult than people who are nearly starving to death, ala stalingrad/leningrad 493737;1391991491;mircea_popescu;i'd say the man is well within range. that's about where i see it too. 493738;1391991547;nubbins`;;;ticker --market btcc 493739;1391991548;gribble;BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 739.2467, Best ask: 739.248349, Bid-ask spread: 0.00165, Last trade: 739.2467, 24 hour volume: 5719.74300000, 24 hour low: 739.2467, 24 hour high: 742.401237, 24 hour vwap: None 493740;1391991571;the20year;I hope the end of CNY helps prices 493741;1391991584;nubbins`;;;ticker --market btce 493742;1391991584;gribble;BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 696.0, Best ask: 698.499, Bid-ask spread: 2.49900, Last trade: 695.599, 24 hour volume: 12327.09818, 24 hour low: 671.0, 24 hour high: 730.0, 24 hour vwap: 700.5 493743;1391991591;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: he is a genius 493744;1391991595;nubbins`;the end of cny? 493745;1391991597;the20year;;;ticker -- market coinbase 493746;1391991598;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message) 493747;1391991609;nubbins`;i guess i could have just done --market all 493748;1391991613;the20year;chinese new years, from what i had been told it has a pretty dramatic on all economics involving china 493749;1391991621;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: called both the 2000 and 2007 top and both 2003 and 2009 bottom (altho he lost out on the 2009 bottom) 493750;1391991627;the20year;I know that in my brother's case he's been waiting on $20k+ of materials and the new years delayed it 493751;1391991631;mircea_popescu;publicly ? 493752;1391991632;nubbins`;the20year, not just china 493753;1391991643;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: publicly 493754;1391991647;mircea_popescu;pretty good. 493755;1391991649;the20year;Yeah, you're right, but china was just noted in this case becaus of BTCchina 493756;1391991654;nubbins`;nod 493757;1391991656;the20year;;;market all 493758;1391991656;gribble;Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "all" in it. Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin. 493759;1391991659;the20year;;;ticker market all 493760;1391991660;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message) 493761;1391991664;nubbins`;--market 493762;1391991668;the20year;;;ticker --market all 493763;1391991671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 610 @ 0.00085181 = 0.5196 BTC [-] 493764;1391991677;nubbins`;heh you flooded gribs 493765;1391991681;nubbins`;;;ticker --market all 493766;1391991687;nubbins`;OR MAYBE WE BOTH DID 493767;1391991687;the20year;I give up 493768;1391991699;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD last: 669.001, vol: 19663.61274054 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 685.16, vol: 15162.33167109 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 698.497, vol: 12321.14734 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 685.23, vol: 9677.87031879 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 712.0, vol: 0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 739.2467, vol: 5719.94200000 | Volume-weighted last average: 687.664329714 493769;1391991712;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD last: 669.001, vol: 19663.81537946 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 685.17, vol: 15159.21567109 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 698.6, vol: 12321.14734 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 689.0, vol: 9677.87031879 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 712.0, vol: 0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 739.2467, vol: 5719.94200000 | Volume-weighted last average: 688.270486674 493770;1391991716;nubbins`;:( 493771;1391991720;nubbins`;sorry you guise 493772;1391991741;the20year;Coinbase is $720, not too bad, that's typically who we use to get usd to fiat and what not 493773;1391991747;mircea_popescu;dudes srsly, you can just pm gribble 493774;1391991768;nubbins`;i said sorry D; 493775;1391991775;the20year;My brother actually pitched the idea of bitcoin to a higher level manager at DHL, and coinbase contacted him to pass some information to DHL, i guess coinbase has some pretty neat programs for large organiations 493776;1391991821;cazalla;yeah well my dad knows the CEO of DHL 493777;1391991858;the20year;They need to listen to whomever their top guy in Ohio is then :D 493778;1391991862;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: he had one issue in 2009 when he was insisting to stress test their method against depression era data, so he missed that bottom in trade but did call it 493779;1391991872;the20year;My brother sends enough DHL packages I guess that they want to start a hub or branch or whatever where he's located 493780;1391991888;the20year;herb, this is the fund manager you talked about earlier? 493781;1391991897;mircea_popescu;how old is the guy ? 493782;1391991899;cazalla;My brother sends twice as many DHL packages as your brother 493783;1391991926;nubbins`;YEAH WELL MY DAD IS A FUCKING COP 493784;1391991950;mircea_popescu;i bet nubbins dad could be sent to ohio by cazalla's dad 493785;1391991952;mircea_popescu;in a package 493786;1391991962;nubbins`;no doubt 493787;1391991972;nubbins`;anyway, just kidding, if my dad was a cop i'd kill myself 493788;1391991972;the20year;he'd enjoy our weather 493789;1391991975;mircea_popescu;then he could do a hood jump and arrest putin 493790;1391991977;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 493791;1391991978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00085067 = 13.1429 BTC [-] {2} 493792;1391991980;the20year;How is romania right now in terms of snowfall mircea_popescu? 493793;1391991992;mircea_popescu;the entire thing melted and it smells like spring 493794;1391991993;mircea_popescu;here. 493795;1391991999;the20year;Nice 493796;1391992001;nubbins`;-17c overnight here 493797;1391992005;mircea_popescu;the rest of the country, well... some snow. nothing huge. 493798;1391992006;nubbins`;basically the same 493799;1391992008;the20year;I had to shovel a 2ft high ice wall last night 493800;1391992022;the20year;Car slid off road today into a guard rail. This is the worst winter I've ever had to drive in 493801;1391992026;herbijudlestoids;the20year: yeah 493802;1391992027;mircea_popescu;some people from somalia had to drive to kenya or something 493803;1391992028;cazalla;we've had heat wave after heat wave over the past few weeks in australia 493804;1391992032;mircea_popescu;to get out of the disaster area 493805;1391992032;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: um, i guess 40ish? 493806;1391992058;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids trying to discern if i should have his history dug up or not. 493807;1391992073;the20year;we're gonna hit -17c a few times next week 493808;1391992078;nubbins`;maybe all this weird weather is from not burning enough dinosaur mud 493809;1391992079;mircea_popescu;cazalla well now we finally know who's causing all the global warming. STOP IT 493810;1391992082;the20year;Our record low with windchill so far this year was -50 493811;1391992099;cazalla;a few weeks back we had 40c+ for 5 days straight 493812;1391992122;nubbins`;fun fact, we have a ton of offshore oil fields here, and they just burn off all the natural gas on site instead of doing something useful with it 493813;1391992125;the20year;Is that pretty untypical? 493814;1391992125;cazalla;i had to bring my meat rabbits inside 493815;1391992136;the20year;Nubbins, you in the US or somewhere else? 493816;1391992141;nubbins`;eastern canada 493817;1391992144;the20year;No mister for them caz? 493818;1391992159;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.07080001 = 0.708 BTC [-] {5} 493819;1391992160;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00086515 = 0.173 BTC [+] {2} 493820;1391992161;the20year;They used to do that all the time locally, but anymore they bottle/compress it or something else 493821;1391992171;nubbins`;well that would be the sensible thing 493822;1391992194;the20year;The compression systems aren't cheap, but i did manage to find one a few years ago that ran off of natural gas 493823;1391992202;the20year;so your only imput was natural gas, output was compressed or liquified 493824;1391992209;cazalla;the20year: nope but i don't think that'd done much for them in 40+ heat for 5 days 493825;1391992218;cazalla;do* 493826;1391992227;nubbins`;i have a hard time believing that the compression systems are so uneconomical that the better solution is to just waste it all 493827;1391992232;the20year;We have 40c days here in Ohio and that's usually what they do 493828;1391992232;nubbins`;makes me wonder 493829;1391992241;the20year;I'm sure it all depends on how much gas 493830;1391992245;nubbins`;nod 493831;1391992251;the20year;the one I looked at took 50% to 70% of the input to compress it 493832;1391992259;nubbins`;huh. 493833;1391992261;the20year;Specifically, i was looking at building a methane digester and compressing the gas 493834;1391992264;mircea_popescu;nubbins` maybe the hassle of getting permits is such that they're just making a point. 493835;1391992269;the20year;Compressing NG isn't cheap 493836;1391992280;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, there's no such thing as a hassle here 493837;1391992287;nubbins`;if you want to plunder resources 493838;1391992296;nubbins`;they'll name a building after ya 493839;1391992300;mircea_popescu;lol 493840;1391992323;nubbins`;"we have height restrictions on all buildings in the downtown core" 493841;1391992334;nubbins`;"we are a large company that wishes to build a highrise" 493842;1391992340;nubbins`;"lel jk about that restriction thing" 493843;1391992446;the20year;nubbins, you in alberta? 493844;1391992485;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids http://www.hussmanfunds.com/theFunds.html << why the fuck is he -5% over 5 years 493845;1391992570;nubbins`;the20year, east coast 493846;1391992576;nubbins`;was married in alberta tho! 493847;1391992581;the20year;ah 493848;1391992596;the20year;NB, quebec or some such? 493849;1391992599;nubbins`;NL 493850;1391992625;the20year;nl? 493851;1391992632;nubbins`;easternmost province in canada 493852;1391992646;the20year;nm 493853;1391992651;the20year;i didn't realize people lived there 493854;1391992656;nubbins`;... 493855;1391992671;ThickAsThieves;https://openex.pw/index.php?page=trade&market=111 493856;1391992682;ThickAsThieves;someone put altcoin in an exchange 493857;1391992683;nubbins`;consider yourself realized, i guess :D 493858;1391992686;ThickAsThieves;Rawt 493859;1391992694;ThickAsThieves;sorry 493860;1391992696;ThickAsThieves;r3wt 493861;1391992700;nubbins`;a newfoundlander invented the gas mask! 493862;1391992712;the20year;cool 493863;1391992718;the20year;you were once a british colony 493864;1391992718;nubbins`;the first giant squid corpse ever found washed ashore here! 493865;1391992723;nubbins`;yes, until 1949 493866;1391992729;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: basically in 2009 he mandated that they stress test their method on pre WW2 depression era data to validate it, and consequently missed the bottom. by the time he was satisfied the market had returned to overbought/overvalued/overbullish/rising yields state 493867;1391992729;the20year;Payment for fighting ww2 :) 493868;1391992739;nubbins`;the20year, we didn't "fight" in ww2 :) 493869;1391992740;herbijudlestoids;so hes been essentially fully hedged since 2009 and paying for the puts 493870;1391992754;the20year;Canada was certainly involved 493871;1391992756;mircea_popescu;this is incredibly stupid ;/ 493872;1391992760;nubbins`;yes, for sure 493873;1391992770;the20year;Granted, many times under control of idiotic english generals 493874;1391992772;nubbins`;most newfoundland men of age were slaughtered in ww1 493875;1391992777;mircea_popescu;so he's fighting the fed on his shoestring budget ? what is this, the internet ? 493876;1391992782;nubbins`;we didn't send any soldiers for ww2 493877;1391992784;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: it turns out in hindsight that their method would have worked perfectly but he wanted to be sure 493878;1391992790;the20year;Canada - The poland of the commonwealth 493879;1391992803;the20year;I meant canada in General 493880;1391992805;nubbins`;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaumont-Hamel_Newfoundland_Memorial 493881;1391992823;nubbins`;anyway, newfoundland was british for both world wars 493882;1391992832;nubbins`;mildly funny to see canadian flags flown on remembrance day here 493883;1391992842;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/6880f31099d85c43fedb66c430111269/tumblr_mkhcyrDViE1r7ryano1_500.jpg 493884;1391992856;the20year;they fly US flags in hawaii and Alaska during our veteran memorial days 493885;1391992874;the20year;I guess it's better than flying the UK flag 493886;1391992885;nubbins`;heh 493887;1391992885;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: well he doesnt really view the "fighting the fed" angle as valid, he doesnt believe QE has any proven mechanism for higher prices and shows pretty convincing data on that front. his view is the rally since 2009 is entirely attributable to the FASB mark to unicorn rules 493888;1391992908;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, saved 493889;1391992911;nubbins`;;p 493890;1391992916;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids a distinction ultimately without a difference 493891;1391992926;the20year;fasb? 493892;1391992947;herbijudlestoids;;;google fasb 493893;1391992948;gribble;FASB Home: ; Facts About FASB: ; Standards - FASB: 493894;1391992951;mircea_popescu;the us cook your books authority. 493895;1391992965;nubbins`;fasb, flambeeing and sauteeing books 493896;1391992977;herbijudlestoids;lots of new blocks churning on altcoin today 493897;1391992998;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids the argument isn't that in an actually functioning economy with actual accounting and reporting the virtual equivalent of the fed could prop up prices by printing paper. 493898;1391993024;the20year;NL did manage a artillery regiment in ww2 493899;1391993029;mircea_popescu;the argument is that in the actual dysfunctional economy as it is, without any accounting or reporting, the fed can SAY it did anything it pleases, and SAY it had whatever effect it choses 493900;1391993051;herbijudlestoids;so wut? does that have any proven link to higher stock prices? no 493901;1391993084;herbijudlestoids;the whole point of the hussman funds is to invest based on proven transmission mechanisms 493902;1391993095;mircea_popescu;pretty much the only way to profitably invest in equity in the soviet us is by being friendly with the us politburo. 493903;1391993096;herbijudlestoids;breadth, valuation, sentiment, rates, etc 493904;1391993106;the20year;So do you have seasons in NL 493905;1391993110;mircea_popescu;that'd be the only proven and conceptually sound transmission mechanism, 493906;1391993114;nubbins`;the20year: ah, ya learn something new every day 493907;1391993119;mircea_popescu;and i wonder why's he not lobbying then. 493908;1391993137;the20year;I'm big on ww2 history, it was pretty easy to find out whether they sent infantry, i was pretty sure they sent something 493909;1391993188;nubbins`;yeah 493910;1391993199;nubbins`;there were entire communities here essentially wiped out by ww1 493911;1391993217;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: you might like this article http://hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc100823.htm 493912;1391993276;the20year;Yeah , that was pretty common with commonwealth troops during WW1. All the colonies got screwed by England when they started having manpower shortgages 493913;1391993320;the20year;Australia had sometimes similarissues, but more canadians were involved in events like passendale and the somme that obliterated large division sized units 493914;1391993344;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: yo you around? 493915;1391993384;the20year;And they kind of had the similar opinion/use of commonwealth troops during ww2, just look at dieppe 493916;1391993395;nubbins`;yeah, there's some connection between newfoundland and passchendaele 493917;1391993398;nubbins`;the details escape me 493918;1391993455;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids his model is fundamentally broken. the relative prices of currencies are to a large degree fixed politically. 493919;1391993461;the20year;67k deaths, 150k wounded just abotu for canada and australia each 493920;1391993481;the20year;4.5m total aussies at that time, 7.5m canadians at that time 493921;1391993481;nubbins`;war: not so much of a lel 493922;1391993562;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20185 @ 0.00085153 = 17.1881 BTC [+] {2} 493923;1391993623;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1510 @ 0.00019 = 0.2869 BTC [+] {3} 493924;1391993679;ThickAsThieves; ThickAsThieves: yo you around? --- for a few minutes or so 493925;1391993786;herbijudlestoids;damnit, i forgot what i was going to ask you lol 493926;1391993798;herbijudlestoids;oh right, is there a blockchain explorer up for altcoin? 493927;1391993841;mircea_popescu;yes. 493928;1391993847;mircea_popescu;atc.blockr.io 493929;1391993921;ThickAsThieves;i'm rolling the dice and sending some btc to this exchange 493930;1391993933;ThickAsThieves;the guy seems to have a history of outing scammers 493931;1391993937;ThickAsThieves;maybe he's okay 493932;1391993940;herbijudlestoids;thx. 493933;1391993947;Duffer1;to r3wt? 493934;1391993951;ThickAsThieves;yeah 493935;1391993958;mircea_popescu;what's the exchange ? 493936;1391993961;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust r3wt 493937;1391993962;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user r3wt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=r3wt | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=r3wt | Rated since: never 493938;1391993966;ThickAsThieves;https://openex.pw/index.php?page=trade&market=111 493939;1391993972;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves so tell him to get in the wot first 493940;1391993978;mircea_popescu;if he does your chances just improved 10x 493941;1391993978;BingoBoingo;r3wt doesn't exactly have a history himself of being reliable... 493942;1391993983;Duffer1;he scammed some guys he devd a coin for by premining the shit out of it 493943;1391994002;Duffer1;but manned up and apologized on the forums, hasn't changed his ID 493944;1391994011;mircea_popescu;he's like 19 n'est pas ? 493945;1391994030;nubbins`;that's essentially an adult 493946;1391994039;herbijudlestoids;herbi haz found 0 blox :( 493947;1391994083;mircea_popescu;nubbins` only for fucking. 493948;1391994115;ThickAsThieves;okay i asked him to join 493949;1391994118;ThickAsThieves;we shall see 493950;1391994162;nubbins`;http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/09/world/europe/denmark-zoo-giraffe/ 493951;1391994222;ThickAsThieves; he scammed some guys he devd a coin for by premining the shit out of it --- isnt this like impossible to get away with? 493952;1391994233;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19215 @ 0.00085181 = 16.3675 BTC [+] 493953;1391994258;Duffer1;he claimed some technicality in their agreement or some such nonsense 493954;1391994287;mircea_popescu;he basically figured the op is retarded 493955;1391994302;ThickAsThieves;well get them all in wot and we'll see who weighs what 493956;1391994324;Duffer1;this was a few month ago at least 493957;1391994324;ThickAsThieves;which reminds me 493958;1391994343;ThickAsThieves;shameless request that anyone who hasnt rated me and has good reason to, please do 493959;1391994345;mircea_popescu;which wasn't that far off, the op went into a hysteria of nutty posting 493960;1391994397;ThickAsThieves;;;gettrust thickasthieves 493961;1391994397;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user thickasthieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=thickasthieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thickasthieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013 493962;1391994413;nubbins`;lel 493963;1391994416;nubbins`;nice graph 493964;1391994539;nubbins`;http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/crack-pipe-vending-machines-a-boon-to-vancouver-users/article16769973/?cmpid=rss1 493965;1391994555;benkay;babeface walked into a sharp thing on my mother's pilates reformer last night, and then went running/sledding drunk and naked in the snow afterwards. now she's dancing around the apartment wincing and cursing whenever she lands on the bum leg. 493966;1391994557;benkay;it's lolarious. 493967;1391994763;moiety;ThickAsThieves: don't 493968;1391994769;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Only in Canada where your Mayors endorse them 493969;1391994805;nubbins`;just one mayor 493970;1391994823;nubbins`;anyway, 25 cents for a crack pipe 493971;1391994825;nubbins`;not a bad deal 493972;1391994838;mircea_popescu;benkay you know you'll eventually have to put up a feed. 493973;1391994843;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.000475 = 0.475 BTC [+] {2} 493974;1391994857;nubbins`;people piss and moan about "oh this just enables/encourages etc" 493975;1391994862;nubbins`;bullshit 493976;1391994878;nubbins`;"pipes are a quarter? maybe i'll try smoking rocks" 493977;1391994894;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Just one Mayor that has been Caught. Eventually your Marion Berry will find their Kwame Killpatrick 493978;1391994905;nubbins`;my who and their who? 493979;1391994910;benkay;nubbins`: how can you be cool with crack pipes and not pmbs? 493980;1391994927;nubbins`;benkay, i'll leave that as an exercise to the reader 493981;1391994932;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: DC Mayor and Detroit Mayor, both liked crack 493982;1391994937;nubbins`;you seem smart, you should be able to figure it out :D 493983;1391994941;nubbins`;BingoBoingo, ah :D 493984;1391994948;benkay;nubbins`: what, crack addicts are addicted already? 493985;1391994970;ThickAsThieves; ThickAsThieves: don't what? 493986;1391994979;benkay;i seriously do not get it. consider it a flaw of youth, and this your opportunity to larn me a thing. 493987;1391994980;nubbins`;you just posed a tautology as a question 493988;1391994991;nubbins`;benkay: we have free universal healthcare here in canada. 493989;1391995002;nubbins`;know what's cheaper than AIDS treatment? 493990;1391995007;nubbins`;a 25 cent crack pipe. 493991;1391995028;benkay;doesn't really address the heroin side of things, though. 493992;1391995037;nubbins`;sure 493993;1391995037;moiety;ThickAsThieves: i mean r3wt. just don't. 493994;1391995039;benkay;but mitigates i guess? 493995;1391995044;ThickAsThieves;oh 493996;1391995044;nubbins`;there's a supervised injection site in downtown vancouver 493997;1391995046;nubbins`;same thing. 493998;1391995056;nubbins`;junkies using dirty needles = healthcare burden 493999;1391995071;nubbins`;plus, outreach 494000;1391995093;benkay;no to be flip but idiots with btc = scam burden 494001;1391995093;moiety;junkies. = healthcare burden 494002;1391995100;nubbins`;some junkie goes to Insite to shoot up, not only does he not give himself hep/aids, but he's now in a room with people who can encourage him to seek treatment 494003;1391995113;nubbins`;moiety: not necessarily 494004;1391995130;nubbins`;and even then, there are degrees 494005;1391995152;moiety;how? they are using healthcare, if not for their habit, for the issues it brings them later down the line 494006;1391995163;nubbins`;okay, but everyone is using healthcare 494007;1391995168;moiety;yep 494008;1391995173;moiety;some more than others 494009;1391995176;nubbins`;yes 494010;1391995184;nubbins`;the guy with hep c, for example, vs the guy without 494011;1391995196;nubbins`;or, put another way, the guy who shared a needle vs the guy who got a clean one 494012;1391995219;nubbins`;junkies are going to shoot up whether they have clean digs or not 494013;1391995220;moiety;or any guy using a needle clean or dirty vs a guy who doesn't 494014;1391995233;moiety;which is a burden 494015;1391995239;benkay;everyone's a burden on healthcare, moiety. idiots who eat too many carbs and develop diabetes are vastly more expensive than junkies. 494016;1391995248;nubbins`;the purpose of safe injection sites is to prevent junkies from getting hep c and try to get them to clean up 494017;1391995255;moiety;totally agree with you there benkay 494018;1391995349;nubbins`;anyway, the big mistake people make is thinking that safe injection sites, free crack pipes etc "enable" drug users 494019;1391995354;nubbins`;which is laughable 494020;1391995372;moiety;it is, if they want it they will get it 494021;1391995378;nubbins`;exactly. 494022;1391995384;nubbins`;social conservatives struggle with this concept 494023;1391995385;moiety;cleaner practice is always the ideal 494024;1391995420;nubbins`;76% of vancouver residents support the existence of Insite 494025;1391995444;nubbins`;think about that: THREE QUARTERS of a major metropolitan city would rather the junkies have a safe, clean place to shoot up 494026;1391995497;moiety;i think 100% would rather not see them staggering/laying around places either 494027;1391995507;nubbins`;oh, sure 494028;1391995518;moiety;this way, they are contained too 494029;1391995538;nubbins`;the other side is dirty needles 494030;1391995557;nubbins`;you want 'em in the streets or in a sharps container? 494031;1391995560;moiety;you get a lot here 494032;1391995580;benkay;just a short slide from locking all of the undesireables up in crappy hi-rises. i endorse. 494033;1391995609;benkay;"have some tv, water, food-paste, sharps, internet. go to town, kids! just don't leave the tower." 494034;1391995613;nubbins`;they busted a house across the street from a dive bar i frequent some months ago 494035;1391995619;nubbins`;found a GOLF BAG full of dirty needles 494036;1391995621;nubbins`;FULL. 494037;1391995648;mircea_popescu; junkies are going to shoot up whether they have clean digs or not << the solution isn't to let them do w/e they want cause otherwise they hold their breath 494038;1391995659;mircea_popescu;the solution is to not provide any healthcare out of public funds for any drug user. 494039;1391995668;mircea_popescu;you ever used drugs in your life ? tough. gotta pay now. 494040;1391995669;dub;thats more expensive 494041;1391995671;nubbins`;that's only a solution in la-la land 494042;1391995686;mircea_popescu;no, it's a solution in reality. the lala land is the presumption that anyone is worth something. 494043;1391995699;dub;dead body in the gutter causes more problems 494044;1391995701;nubbins`;^ 494045;1391995711;dub;costs more than healthcare etc 494046;1391995711;mircea_popescu;while recent tech boom allowed such nonsense be financed by squandering resources that'd have been better used elsewhere, 494047;1391995716;mircea_popescu;overall the gravy train is going away 494048;1391995718;nubbins`;so how do you determine if someone has "ever" used drugs 494049;1391995725;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you test em 494050;1391995729;dub;its kinda like the argument for not fucing up the environment then dealing with it later 494051;1391995733;nubbins`;test them for what? 494052;1391995738;dub;oh wait 494053;1391995744;mircea_popescu;for your definiton of drugs 494054;1391995753;nubbins`;know what's cheaper than a drug test? 494055;1391995757;nubbins`;a 25 cent crack pipe. 494056;1391995762;mircea_popescu;i don't give a shit really. 494057;1391995765;dub;know whats mostly untestable 494058;1391995778;nubbins`;lsd? 494059;1391995778;mircea_popescu;dub no it's not. you telling me a heroin addict is untestable for junk ? 494060;1391995787;dub;after a matter of days, yes 494061;1391995793;mircea_popescu;IF he waits a few days 494062;1391995797;mircea_popescu;then no prejudice. 494063;1391995833;dub;stupid argument anyway 494064;1391995841;mircea_popescu;hah. stop sidestepping. 494065;1391995842;dub;its like arguing that prostitution be illegal 494066;1391995851;mircea_popescu;no, it's not at all like that. 494067;1391995863;dub;people are going to do it, there is an efficient way to deal and its not filling up jails 494068;1391995867;mircea_popescu;you can afford drugs, you can afford to pay the hospital bill. 494069;1391995872;mircea_popescu;do your math and make up your choices. 494070;1391995873;nubbins`;well that's the thing 494071;1391995878;dub;or exterminating people or whatever your solution is 494072;1391995880;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.07950001 = 0.159 BTC [+] 494073;1391995881;nubbins`;there isn't an "Afford drugs" 494074;1391995889;mircea_popescu;dub there's no "dealing". its not your motherfucking job to solve idiots problems 494075;1391995891;mircea_popescu;let them rot. 494076;1391995896;nubbins`;you're gonna steal flatscreen TVs to pay for a hospital stay? 494077;1391995901;dub;if you want an efficient society it is 494078;1391995902;mircea_popescu;nubbins` shot on the spot. 494079;1391995909;mircea_popescu;you stole a tv ? bang. 494080;1391995910;mircea_popescu;next ? 494081;1391995940;nubbins`;what's the cutoff 494082;1391995946;nubbins`;suppose you steal a loaf of bread 494083;1391995949;nubbins`;shot? 494084;1391995949;mircea_popescu;bang. 494085;1391995951;nubbins`;or just lose a hand 494086;1391995956;dub;steal a look at random chicks tits? 494087;1391995958;mircea_popescu;there's no cutoff. you're caught stealing that's it for you. 494088;1391995966;dub;some would say bang 494089;1391995971;mircea_popescu;dub nah, all that bs copyright shit is going away. 494090;1391995983;nubbins`;well 494091;1391995989;nubbins`;i can't see any flaws in this line of thinking 494092;1391995997;nubbins`;you just solved crime and drug addiction 494093;1391996002;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08298893 = 0.166 BTC [+] 494094;1391996003;mircea_popescu;you're not "dealing" with people./ 494095;1391996009;mircea_popescu;you make simple rules and enforce them drastically. 494096;1391996010;mircea_popescu;that's it. 494097;1391996027;dub;do the maths 494098;1391996030;mircea_popescu;okay ? 494099;1391996035;nubbins`;not really okay 494100;1391996041;nubbins`;maybe for romania, no idea what things are like there 494101;1391996052;mircea_popescu;it's actually okay whether you like it or not. a la bitcoin. 494102;1391996058;nubbins`;in canada, it's generally accepted that people don't want things the way you describe 494103;1391996065;mircea_popescu;nobody cares what people want 494104;1391996068;nubbins`;lel 494105;1391996069;mircea_popescu;first on the list, the people themselves. 494106;1391996071;nubbins`;you're a character 494107;1391996088;mircea_popescu;people can want in one hand and piss in the other, see which fills first. 494108;1391996098;nubbins`;the want hand fills first here 494109;1391996104;mircea_popescu;da fuck did "want" become a legitimate argument anyway 494110;1391996106;benkay;well you're filthy communists. 494111;1391996111;nubbins`;liberal utopia 494112;1391996121;nubbins`;i can get my doctor to prescribe me weed 494113;1391996125;nubbins`;and the government will sell it to me 494114;1391996132;dub;you have to pay? 494115;1391996136;nubbins`;$5/gram 494116;1391996137;dub;thats a bit harsh 494117;1391996137;mircea_popescu;anyway, fwiw, in my experience works splendidly. whether you're working to destupidify women, or to build an exchange, or anything else. 494118;1391996141;nubbins`;yeah i know dude 494119;1391996143;mircea_popescu;simple rules, draconic enforcement, sayonara. 494120;1391996152;dub;except its never worked before 494121;1391996161;dub;and probably never will 494122;1391996163;mircea_popescu;dub far as i've seen it;s the only thing it ever worked. 494123;1391996173;mircea_popescu;course people who dislike shit working tend to scream it doesn't work, but hey. 494124;1391996193;mircea_popescu;do the gedankenexperiment, as asciilifeform calls them : 494125;1391996218;mircea_popescu;you go to class of schoolkids, lay down the rules for what they have to do till next class. whoever didn't do it is beaten till they pass out. 494126;1391996225;mircea_popescu;kids will scream as to how "this doesn;'tg work" 494127;1391996236;mircea_popescu;six months later ALL the kids in that class do ALL the homework ALL of the time flawlessly. 494128;1391996250;nubbins`;and ALL grow up to be normal adults and not psychopaths 494129;1391996252;mircea_popescu;and suddenly lolcatting isn't quite as appealing either, 494130;1391996256;dub;maybe at the cost of most of thier utility 494131;1391996260;nubbins`;here's another gedanken 494132;1391996262;mircea_popescu;nubbins` definitely more normal than the current crop. 494133;1391996272;mircea_popescu;dub kids have 0 utility as it is now you kidding me ? 494134;1391996288;nubbins`;alice takes oxycodone after her back surgery, bob takes oxycodone for the lels. alice and bob go to the hospital complaining of a bum knee. 494135;1391996297;nubbins`;which one gets healthcare and which one gets turned away / shot? 494136;1391996312;dub;as should be obvious, the better way to acheive your subservience is to addict you to drugs and tv 494137;1391996316;mircea_popescu;alice wants oxycodone for her surgery she stays in the hospital. 494138;1391996320;mircea_popescu;problem solved. next ? 494139;1391996333;nubbins`;hospital stays are a burden on the taxpayer, problem unsolved 494140;1391996341;mircea_popescu;dub my point being that you don't want subservience, you want competence. 494141;1391996342;dub;yeah wtf 494142;1391996349;dub;a bed for everyone that needs pain relief? 494143;1391996351;mircea_popescu;nubbins` not quite. 494144;1391996352;nubbins`;^ 494145;1391996363;mircea_popescu;dub who needs "pain relief" when they're stuck in hospital ? 494146;1391996369;nubbins`;^ humans? 494147;1391996372;mircea_popescu;people need pain relief if you let them outside. 494148;1391996375;mircea_popescu;you'd be surprised. 494149;1391996388;nubbins`;yeah dude, shit doesn't hurt in the hospital 494150;1391996391;dub;havent you seen the matrix? 494151;1391996397;mircea_popescu;suddenly it's a well this oxycodone is kinda cool, but im stuck here for a day cause of it. 494152;1391996410;mircea_popescu;i guess i maybe don't really need it anymore. 494153;1391996410;nubbins`;okay, so you have a herniated disc 494154;1391996415;mircea_popescu;so you do. 494155;1391996430;nubbins`;your choices are stay in the hospital for 6 months or deal with unbearable chronic pain for 6 months 494156;1391996433;mircea_popescu;yup. 494157;1391996438;nubbins`;sounds like it'd work in practice 494158;1391996445;mircea_popescu;what, you think herniated disks were invented AFTER oxycodone ? 494159;1391996446;nubbins`;wait, no it doesn't 494160;1391996453;mircea_popescu;tell you what, it's only unbearable cause you're used to being a sissy 494161;1391996456;mircea_popescu;pain is eminently bearable. 494162;1391996494;nubbins`;well if we're being obstinate, suppose alice has a job that she can't perform when experiencing high levels of pain 494163;1391996496;mircea_popescu;of all things it's actually the most bearable. as people die of thirst in a coupla days and of hunger in a coupla months 494164;1391996501;nubbins`;or do we just shoot everyone who hurts their back? 494165;1391996502;mircea_popescu;but you can be in pain indefinitely and it won't kill you. 494166;1391996512;dub;spoken like someone that doesnt know pain 494167;1391996514;mircea_popescu;nubbins` tough for her, she no longer has that job. 494168;1391996529;mircea_popescu;dub of everyone here i'm the only guy that gets his teeth fixed w/o anesthesia i'd wager. 494169;1391996532;nubbins`;okay, so what does she do now? 494170;1391996537;mircea_popescu;also probably the only guy to have ever been shot etc. 494171;1391996538;nubbins`;jobless and in pain 494172;1391996543;mircea_popescu;nubbins` tough for her. 494173;1391996549;mircea_popescu;next time she'll be more careful. 494174;1391996552;nubbins`;no, tough for the hospital staff she shoots 494175;1391996557;mircea_popescu;she shoots my ass. 494176;1391996559;dub;pff minor league 494177;1391996567;nubbins`;if your ass is in the door, yes 494178;1391996590;mircea_popescu;you give alice way too much credit while simultaneously giving her way too little credit. 494179;1391996600;mircea_popescu;if she's cool enough to start shooting she's cool enough to take it on the chin and move on. 494180;1391996606;nubbins`;you use "tough" like it's an explanation more often than an intelligent person should 494181;1391996625;mircea_popescu;because im confronted with "but mommy i don't like X" way more often than any sane person should. 494182;1391996648;punkman;mircea_popescu: I skip the anesthesia at the dentist, hate having a numb face for 4 hours after 494183;1391996675;mircea_popescu;so good for you. 494184;1391996679;mircea_popescu;how unbearable is it ? 494185;1391996691;punkman;but it's hard to stay still for the bigger fillings and shit 494186;1391996715;nubbins`;anyway, as lovely as this little "kill everyone" scheme sounds 494187;1391996719;mircea_popescu;supposedly tooth pain is way up there on the scale. 494188;1391996721;mod6;i went without the stuff until i had 4 teeth drilled without it. that sucked. 494189;1391996735;nubbins`;tooth pain is a bad one 494190;1391996739;punkman;I definitely sweat a bit, not that unbearable 494191;1391996740;nubbins`;inner ear pain is tough as well 494192;1391996742;mod6;i must be getting soft 494193;1391996742;mircea_popescu;mod6 i'm not proposing some never anesthesia bs incidentally. 494194;1391996751;mircea_popescu;just illustrating the point that there's nothing unbearable about pain. 494195;1391996768;mircea_popescu;it may not be what you want to be doing, sure, 494196;1391996769;KRS-One;wut 494197;1391996769;nubbins`;so replace "unbearable" with "excruciating" or w/e 494198;1391996774;mircea_popescu;but then again that's not the criteria now is it. 494199;1391996776;nubbins`;you're getting caught up in semantics 494200;1391996781;KRS-One;pain sucks and i wont bare it 494201;1391996790;dub;replace unbearable with 'prevents you from being fully utilised' 494202;1391996795;mircea_popescu;eh bs. 494203;1391996797;nubbins`;so alice can't get pain meds without a costly hospital stay 494204;1391996798;punkman;chronic pain is different, it can really wear you down 494205;1391996801;dub;enough to blow your retarded argument away 494206;1391996804;mircea_popescu;this utilitartian angle is not going anywhere dub 494207;1391996805;nubbins`;alice decides to self-medicate with booze 494208;1391996810;nubbins`;PROBLEM SOLVED 494209;1391996820;benkay;no nubbins` this 'kill everyone' is the actual plan. all of the above are just implementation details. 494210;1391996826;nubbins`;wait, shit, now we've got drunkards everywhere driving cars and beating their kids 494211;1391996827;mircea_popescu;nubbins` if that;s what she does good for her. 494212;1391996827;KRS-One;nubbins` I think pot is the best pain killer that isnt made in a lab 494213;1391996840;nubbins`;KRS-One, but drugs tough etc 494214;1391996849;mircea_popescu;nobody said she can drive a car drunk any more than she can have oxycodone outpatient style. 494215;1391996853;nubbins`;you should not be allowed to smoke pot unless you are in a hospital 494216;1391996860;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: who's to stop her? 494217;1391996865;mircea_popescu;you can smoke pot whenever you want, who cares. 494218;1391996878;KRS-One;nubbins` alcohol is way worse than pot..you can't overdose on da ganja either 494219;1391996879;nubbins`;so pot is fine but oxycodone isn't? 494220;1391996892;KRS-One;oxycodone is great anytime of the day or week. 494221;1391996896;mircea_popescu;nubbins` pretty much heroin is the only entry on my list of "drugs" 494222;1391996904;nubbins`;innnnteresting 494223;1391996906;mircea_popescu;your list may vary at your leisure, the argument is list independent 494224;1391996910;nubbins`;sounds like there's not much drug use in your town 494225;1391996923;mircea_popescu;kids and their pills mostly. 494226;1391996929;dub;no, they kill and eat drug users 494227;1391996945;mircea_popescu;dub no, they just don't have this "omg what do you want" culture yet 494228;1391996948;dub;clearly a winning strategy 494229;1391996951;mircea_popescu;so the society is reasonably functional still. 494230;1391996955;mircea_popescu;yeah, actually it is, dubsy. 494231;1391996958;nubbins`;heroin isn't even really a thing here 494232;1391996965;nubbins`;cocaine and pills 494233;1391996966;nubbins`;mostly 494234;1391996970;mircea_popescu;think of utility in the following terms : people making on average 300 bucks here when rents are on average 350 bucks 494235;1391996978;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3278 @ 0.00019987 = 0.6552 BTC [+] {2} 494236;1391996981;dub;it probably is a thing there 494237;1391996983;mircea_popescu;go outside the little park in their projects to FIX THE BENCHES 494238;1391996985;mircea_popescu;with their own tools. 494239;1391996991;nubbins`;i do have to lel when i see people jam most of an 8ball up their nose at the bar and then ask if the coffee is "fair trade" at the shop the next day 494240;1391996998;nubbins`;was that fair trade coke you jammed up your face? 494241;1391997004;mircea_popescu;people making 900 a month in food stamps and free housing over there hang around the cortners glaring at passer bys 494242;1391997014;mircea_popescu;so no, don't be telling me about how shit functions and doesn't. 494243;1391997023;dub;heroin is very clique'y 494244;1391997039;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12927 @ 0.00019999 = 2.5853 BTC [+] {8} 494245;1391997070;nubbins`;sure, but you take away that 900 and food stamps and housing tomorrow and the city would burn to the ground in a week 494246;1391997076;mircea_popescu;anyway, re the list : to be an addictive substance something needs to actually give addiction 494247;1391997082;nubbins`;much harder to take away once given 494248;1391997086;mircea_popescu;the definition of which is "sudden discontinuation = death" 494249;1391997094;nubbins`;so, booze fits the definition 494250;1391997096;mircea_popescu;not that many substances presented as addictive actually are in any sense. 494251;1391997101;mircea_popescu;nah. 494252;1391997107;nubbins`;are you new? alcohol withdrawal kills 494253;1391997110;dub;can you name one? 494254;1391997112;mircea_popescu;in lalaland. 494255;1391997117;mircea_popescu;dub heroin. some synthetics. 494256;1391997128;dub;um 494257;1391997139;nubbins`;in realworld land too 494258;1391997150;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you know = does not mean "in one stray case out of 5498740958609" 494259;1391997154;mircea_popescu;= means = 494260;1391997165;nubbins`;ah, so kills 100% of time, ok 494261;1391997169;nubbins`;i don't think heroin fits that either 494262;1391997172;nubbins`;we're back to square one 494263;1391997178;mircea_popescu;try it sometime. 494264;1391997183;nubbins`;heroin? nah 494265;1391997190;nubbins`;i don't like needles 494266;1391997193;mircea_popescu;so then wtf basis do you "Think" on 494267;1391997204;nubbins`;try asking that a different way 494268;1391997207;dub;heroin is not instaaddict stuff 494269;1391997216;mircea_popescu;nobody said insta at any point. 494270;1391997221;dub;nor do you die when you kick 494271;1391997222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00085201 = 15.3788 BTC [+] {2} 494272;1391997235;mircea_popescu;cold turkey ? yeah, you die. 494273;1391997242;nubbins`;100% of the time 494274;1391997252;nubbins`;because = 494275;1391997258;herbijudlestoids;jebus fuck arguing over technicalities. 494276;1391997263;herbijudlestoids;heroin withdrawal kills you 494277;1391997266;nubbins`;herb, it's what we do 494278;1391997267;herbijudlestoids;clonazepam withdrawal kills you 494279;1391997268;mircea_popescu;nubbins` in the sense we rounded 1 out of 5498740958609 to 0 we'll round out of 5498740958608 out of out of 5498740958609 to 1.0 494280;1391997272;benkay;welcome to assets, herbijudlestoids 494281;1391997275;herbijudlestoids;alcohol withdrawal does not kill you 494282;1391997278;moiety;sorry delayed response but what do you think about daily/weekly dispensing then nubbins`? 494283;1391997289;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids no no we must have fucktarded 5yo arguments about how the peas aren't really peas 494284;1391997294;nubbins`;dispensing drugs or works? 494285;1391997295;mircea_popescu;and wantboy shouldn't have to eat the peas 494286;1391997303;moiety;drugs sorry 494287;1391997322;nubbins`;moiety: beats me, does it work in practice? 494288;1391997341;moiety;depends on the aim. we used it to stop people overdosing 494289;1391997346;nubbins`;herbijudlestoids: and everyone should eat peas or they're stupid 494290;1391997352;herbijudlestoids;yall stupid. 494291;1391997357;mircea_popescu;no. everyone should eat peas or they're beaten. 494292;1391997357;dub;in theory the programs are to ween you off, not maintain 494293;1391997373;nubbins`;you kid, but that's your answer to most problems 494294;1391997378;nubbins`;whether the shoe fits or not 494295;1391997378;mircea_popescu;it is, yes. 494296;1391997384;herbijudlestoids;dub, nubbins` yall junkies? know junkies? watched your mates die? 494297;1391997386;mircea_popescu;violence is way underrated as a personal development tool. 494298;1391997386;herbijudlestoids;if not 494299;1391997387;herbijudlestoids;STFU 494300;1391997396;nubbins`;after all, if the shoe doesn't fit, it's because of libtards encouraging kids to grow their feet 494301;1391997417;mircea_popescu;nubbins` except the shoe fits fine and the princess is having a hysteria session 494302;1391997427;mircea_popescu;cause she's gots to be speshul and couldn't possibly be ever fit by a shoe 494303;1391997429;nubbins`;except abstract analogies that don't make sense 494304;1391997429;mircea_popescu;god forbid. 494305;1391997432;nubbins`;cause no argument 494306;1391997435;mircea_popescu;no shoe understands her dragon feet. 494307;1391997435;nubbins`;satan allow 494308;1391997469;mircea_popescu;this has been one of the best arguments with no actual common ground in which people talking about entirely different things that so far ever happened on assets 494309;1391997485;bones6;Autism only arrived after we stopped beating our children. QED 494310;1391997491;mircea_popescu;^ 494311;1391997492;nubbins`;no kidding, everybody's blood is running hot now 494312;1391997504;nubbins`;herb even told us to shut the fuck up because he's been there man and we haven't 494313;1391997508;mircea_popescu;you know what autism figures were in romania at the time the aids figures were 0.0x% 494314;1391997516;nubbins`;100%? 494315;1391997518;mircea_popescu;on the grounds of all the aids kids being starved to death in specialised institutions ? 494316;1391997527;mircea_popescu;about 0.0% cause everyone was affraid of reporting it. 494317;1391997545;nubbins`;ah, cool. how did that work out for romania? 494318;1391997552;mircea_popescu;also at the time romania ruled the gymnastics at the olympics 494319;1391997557;mircea_popescu;because 15 yo girls and beating. 494320;1391997560;nubbins`;oh. so pretty well, then 494321;1391997567;mircea_popescu;i can't complain :) 494322;1391997579;nubbins`;so this heavy-handed beating-or-else thing really worked out for you guys 494323;1391997594;nubbins`;there wasn't any social upheaval or anything in the meantime? 494324;1391997599;nubbins`;OH WAIT 494325;1391997614;mircea_popescu;hehehe 494326;1391997627;mircea_popescu;wait, you're going to tell me that the romanian revolution was over free access to drugs ? 494327;1391997642;mircea_popescu;here's a fun little tidbit : in 1991 they had no cop on the force that knew what pot smells like. 494328;1391997646;nubbins`;no, i'm going to tell you it was over I HAVE THE ANSWERS STFU OR BANG 494329;1391997647;mircea_popescu;think about that for a moment. 494330;1391997676;dub;herbijudlestoids: have been, indeed, no. 494331;1391997699;mircea_popescu;dub what'd you junkie on ? 494332;1391997705;dub;meth 494333;1391997710;mircea_popescu;what srsly ?! 494334;1391997711;nubbins`;yucky 494335;1391997711;mircea_popescu;why... 494336;1391997735;nubbins`;because people do things 494337;1391997735;mircea_popescu;"well one day i noticed my house was kinda dirty..." 494338;1391997749;mircea_popescu;nubbins` let me guess, they experiment right ? 494339;1391997781;nubbins`;sure, yeah. sometimes with drugs, sometimes with things that end up being bitcoin 494340;1391997789;nubbins`;experimenting is what people do 494341;1391997796;nubbins`;like your friend who milked a squirrel 494342;1391997799;mircea_popescu;bang 494343;1391997806;mircea_popescu;;;bang 494344;1391997806;gribble;Error: "bang" is not a valid command. 494345;1391997809;benkay;;;lasers 494346;1391997810;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 494347;1391997810;nubbins`;;;lasers 494348;1391997811;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 494349;1391997812;nubbins`;aw 494350;1391997813;mircea_popescu;nono 494351;1391997817;moiety;lolol 494352;1391997822;KRS-One;freakin lasers, maaan 494353;1391997824;mircea_popescu;;;roulette 494354;1391997824;gribble;*click* 494355;1391997826;nubbins`;;;sharks 494356;1391997826;gribble;Error: "sharks" is not a valid command. 494357;1391997831;mircea_popescu;;;roulette 494358;1391997831;gribble;*BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! 494359;1391997832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00085209 = 5.1125 BTC [+] 494360;1391997840;mircea_popescu;there we go. 494361;1391997840;nubbins`;gribs got real 494362;1391997848;moiety;lol i like gribble 494363;1391997856;KRS-One;ozbot is better 494364;1391997857;KRS-One;.bait 494365;1391997857;benkay;;;gettrust moiety 494366;1391997858;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user moiety: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=moiety | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moiety | Rated since: never 494367;1391997858;mircea_popescu;;;echo and gribble likes you 494368;1391997858;gribble;and gribble likes you 494369;1391997872;KRS-One;Ozbot? 494370;1391997876;mircea_popescu;moiety bitch, get in the wot. 494371;1391997889;nubbins`;so i'm thinking about the fact that the cops didn't know what pot smelled like 494372;1391997896;moiety;i dont ever plan on trading or anthing though 494373;1391997902;nubbins`;and the conclusion i've reached is that everybody must have been pretty fucking uptight 494374;1391997906;KRS-One;;;seen ozbot 494375;1391997906;gribble;ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours and 31 seconds ago: Gold medal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 494376;1391997911;KRS-One;fap fap fap 494377;1391997968;jurov;;;slap KRS-One 494378;1391998002;nubbins`;heh. 494379;1391998006;nubbins`;not bad 494380;1391998011;mircea_popescu;moiety best be prepared. 494381;1391998025;benkay;ah hey i caught my first negrating, y'all 494382;1391998030;mircea_popescu;nubbins` everyone still is pretty uptight. 494383;1391998032;benkay;guess i'm a big boy now 494384;1391998035;nubbins`;;;ratingsystem getrating benkay 494385;1391998035;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User benkay, rated since Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013. Cumulative rating 5, from 7 total ratings. Received ratings: 6 positive, 1 negative. Sent ratings: 2 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay 494386;1391998043;herbijudlestoids;so when i left the house yesterday afternoon, the GH on coinminer.net pool for ATC was ~40. when i got home, ~100. today, ~200 494387;1391998047;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, maybe they should have a safe pot smoking site 494388;1391998049;mircea_popescu;but to not let the revolution issue hanging : there were arguably a few explanatory reasons 494389;1391998052;nubbins`;Insmoke or something 494390;1391998063;moiety;mircea_popescu: was just reading up, i'm all for anything to do with gpg 494391;1391998082;mircea_popescu;in the 70s they made contraception illegal. the births jumped then over a decade levelled off to the original values. the life of women turned into a nightmare tho. those kids... they pretty much WERE the revolution. 494392;1391998085;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: oh sure, i just figured since we were handwaving away complex issues with flippant, facile replies... 494393;1391998090;diametric;asciilifeform: i convinced johnny russell to accept bitcoin on ultimachine.com. 494394;1391998100;dub;was gonna mine some ATC but my asic blowed up 494395;1391998102;mircea_popescu;in the 80s ceausescu got pissed off at the us bankers, paid off all romania's debt. this resulted in horrible restraints on consume market. 494396;1391998111;dub;someone musta went bang on it 494397;1391998112;the20year;in romania? 494398;1391998120;mircea_popescu;people put up with it till the debt was paid, in 88. at that point no relaxation showed up and peeps were enraged 494399;1391998129;nubbins`;no doubt 494400;1391998133;mircea_popescu;finally, the language was deteriorating under the pressure of bureaucratic formalism. 494401;1391998138;mircea_popescu;this may be a cultural explanation. 494402;1391998141;mircea_popescu;that's about the set, really. 494403;1391998157;nubbins`;like we said, it's harder to change gears once you get going 494404;1391998180;nubbins`;be it dropping social welfare or easing restraints on the consumer market 494405;1391998188;mircea_popescu;perhaps. 494406;1391998203;nubbins`;hey, you saw it happen 494407;1391998218;nubbins`;now consider what would happen in canada if tomorrow welfare was 100% abolished 494408;1391998223;mircea_popescu;but you can't in any shape or form successfully argue that the current english cultural space anti-intellectualism, anti-voluntarism and deliberate depersonalisation has any sort of future. 494409;1391998228;nubbins`;the average canadian doesn't want a revolution 494410;1391998231;dub;its ok, romainia has heavy duty 6 puck soviet era ventilated clutch 494411;1391998241;nubbins`;no, i can't argle that 494412;1391998247;nubbins`;argue, either! 494413;1391998249;mircea_popescu;well that's where we'll have to settle. 494414;1391998262;mircea_popescu;i'll concede going around beating people isn't a winning strategy 494415;1391998281;nubbins`;i'll concede that i'd just as soon kill the pillheads in my neighbourhood 494416;1391998286;mircea_popescu;nor something that could ever be done. you couldn't pay me to do it. 494417;1391998320;mircea_popescu;you can't even fucking troll this dumbass chan ffs. half hour later people start hugging and conceding things 494418;1391998326;nubbins`;hah 494419;1391998333;mircea_popescu;it' 494420;1391998338;mircea_popescu;s like a fucking utopian society. 494421;1391998371;nubbins`;you were a few facile statements away from me asking if you were on the spectrum ;p 494422;1391998378;mircea_popescu;what spectrum ? 494423;1391998381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25697 @ 0.00084956 = 21.8311 BTC [-] {2} 494424;1391998382;nubbins`;;;ud on the spectrum 494425;1391998383;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=On%20the%20spectrum | Oct 19, 2013 ... On the spectrum. A phrase used to describe a person with social tics and/or awkwardness usually associated with autism or asperger's ... 494426;1391998390;mircea_popescu;haha 494427;1391998394;nubbins`;it's a phrase here :D 494428;1391998409;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i guess i gotta be on the spectrum 494429;1391998413;mircea_popescu;it is, after all, a spectrum. 494430;1391998416;nubbins`;nod 494431;1391998419;nubbins`;we all are, i'm sure 494432;1391998420;mircea_popescu;i'm the black or w/e 494433;1391998448;dub;you the whitest nigger I ever dun see 494434;1391998460;mircea_popescu;i'm not white 494435;1391998464;mircea_popescu;i'm just priviledged. 494436;1391998468;nubbins`;anyway, full circle, synesthesia has been reported in both lsd users and autistics 494437;1391998489;mircea_popescu;nubbins` and artists. 494438;1391998507;nubbins`;most of the artists fall into one camp or the other 494439;1391998513;dub;is that the audio hallucanatoin jonx? 494440;1391998519;mircea_popescu;no they don't stop pushing your druggie agenda. 494441;1391998531;nubbins`;JOIN US 494442;1391998536;mircea_popescu;dub it's when a chick thinks she can smell your cock because it tastes so good. 494443;1391998538;nubbins`;MUSIC SOUNDS BETTER 494444;1391998552;mircea_popescu;or no wait. 494445;1391998552;nubbins`;dub, shit like tasting colors or hearing smells 494446;1391998565;mircea_popescu;it's when a chick thinks she can smell your cock because it hits her in the back of the throat so nice 494447;1391998571;nubbins`;if chicks can smell your cock you've got a problem 494448;1391998575;dub;I read about a deaf woman who released an album of her audible hallucinations oslt 494449;1391998578;mircea_popescu;nubbins` "thinks" 494450;1391998583;nubbins`;aha! 494451;1391998590;nubbins`;subtle 494452;1391998593;dub;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruef7aYCEbc 494453;1391998594;ozbot;Smell Yo Dick (Official Video) - YouTube 494454;1391998598;dub;^related 494455;1391998604;duduqa;hi there 494456;1391998604;nubbins`;dub, auditory hallucinations are strange things indeed 494457;1391998607;mircea_popescu;besides, cocks actually do smell i'm told. 494458;1391998609;mircea_popescu;duduqa ello 494459;1391998624;nubbins`;i once smashed a radio that wasn't turned on 494460;1391998634;nubbins`;"...oh" 494461;1391998636;duduqa;mircea_popescu: hello! 494462;1391998637;mircea_popescu;clearly reefer has no ill effects 494463;1391998639;benkay;i once worked for a gentleman who when voices were raised above a certain threshold in meetings would visibly lose his ability to read his monitor 494464;1391998652;nubbins`;if reefer caused hallucinations i'd smoke it more often 494465;1391998659;mircea_popescu;benkay so like a dog ? other dogs barking, can't focus nomoar. 494466;1391998681;moiety;auditory hallucinations are much more common than visual hallucinations. more uncommon than both, are tactile ones 494467;1391998685;mircea_popescu;dub not bad actually. who's the chick ? 494468;1391998703;nubbins`;moiety: lies, i mistakenly think i've pissed myself maybe once every two weeks on average 494469;1391998713;benkay;he claimed a degree of constant synasthesia. was also pretty thoroughly autistic. the story was that he couldn't see his screen when voices got loud. 494470;1391998717;mircea_popescu;that's just bad childhood memories nubbins` 494471;1391998719;benkay;so yes, distracted. 494472;1391998727;dub;the deaf one or the smell yo dick one? (i have nfi eather way) 494473;1391998731;mircea_popescu;the latter. 494474;1391998816;moiety;is this after a massive amount of alcohol nubbins`? 494475;1391998834;nubbins`;usually if i've smoked a lot of pot, not always 494476;1391998839;nubbins`;i don't drink much 494477;1391998864;moiety;thats not halluincatory in a true sense though 494478;1391998872;nubbins`;fun story, before the early 2000s there was no recreational drug that was active at the same dosage range as lsd. you bought some paper, it was the real thing or nothing at all 494479;1391998873;moiety;its more a perception thing 494480;1391998881;nubbins`;moiety, nod 494481;1391998887;mircea_popescu;indeed. 494482;1391998895;nubbins`;then this class of drugs called NBOMe was discovered 494483;1391998906;nubbins`;which were active at very small doses, enough to fit on a blotter 494484;1391998909;mircea_popescu;aka "National Board of Osteopathic Medical Examiners" 494485;1391998916;nubbins`;all of a sudden lsd started tasting oddly bitter 494486;1391998921;nubbins`;and the trips were strange 494487;1391998926;moiety;what exactly are microdots then? 494488;1391998930;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC 494489;1391998939;nubbins`;teeny tiny caplets, i think 494490;1391998950;nubbins`;still lsd, just in a different vessel 494491;1391998952;KRS-One;someone told me he microdosed LSD for a while and wound up speaking perfect german almost as if you can learn great things by separation 494492;1391998952;moiety;like super string lsd i was under the impression? 494493;1391998956;moiety;strong* 494494;1391998959;moiety;kk 494495;1391998984;nubbins`;KRS-One, i've had legitimate epiphanies on lsd 494496;1391998987;benkay;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE5YOVCahcQ 494497;1391998988;ozbot;Tosh.0 'Smell Yo Dick' Official Music Video - YouTube 494498;1391998992;nubbins`;ANYWAY 494499;1391999002;nubbins`;this bitter not-acid was the only thing you could buy for a long time 494500;1391999011;moiety;KRS-One: there's a guy in hospital here on a permanent trip, since he was 21 or so... a bad trip. poor guy is tortured and has no insight at all 494501;1391999029;nubbins`;it was only when the derpy pirate roberts opened his Ye Old Shoppe that the real deal once again became available 494502;1391999045;moiety;people have woken from comas speaking different languages 494503;1391999093;duduqa;moiety: wat? 494504;1391999130;moiety;people have been known to wake from coma being able to speak languages they weren;t able to before. 494505;1391999145;herbijudlestoids;nubbins`: you have a very weird perception of the drug market 494506;1391999154;moiety;i'd assume these were people in coma in countries other than their native language 494507;1391999161;herbijudlestoids;5-MeO-AMT was common on blotter before the discovery of 25i-NBOMe 494508;1391999162;nubbins`;herbijudlestoids: i live on an island, what do you expect? 494509;1391999176;herbijudlestoids;and the resurgence in LSD has *nothing* to do with the silk road. 494510;1391999182;herbijudlestoids;any relationship you noticed is coincidental 494511;1391999197;nubbins`;hm, i didn't realize AMT was orally active. has admittedly been a while 494512;1391999201;benkay;there's real lsd going around again? 494513;1391999204;benkay;i gave up on finding any. 494514;1391999213;benkay;i actually gave up on ever trying real lsd. 494515;1391999214;nubbins`;benkay: there always was, just didn't make it quite as far around 494516;1391999243;nubbins`;after those two guys in the missile silo got busted, i thought i'd never see it again 494517;1391999260;benkay;i suppose i coulda found some at burning man but its kinda impolite to walk up to strangers saying "hi i've never actually found real acid and i'm hoping to find some this week can you introduce me to someone?" 494518;1391999263;mircea_popescu;"25I-NBOMe has been implicated in multiple deaths in Australia. In March 2012, a man in Australia died from injuries sustained by running into trees and power poles while intoxicated by 25I-NBOMe." 494519;1391999267;mircea_popescu;derp. anyone got the vid ? 494520;1391999277;nubbins`;NBOMe is no fun 494521;1391999298;mircea_popescu;A Sydney teenager jumped to his death on June 5, 2013. He reportedly jumped off a balcony thinking he could fly. 494522;1391999302;mircea_popescu;well.... you can do anything. 494523;1391999325;nubbins`;i dunno about this whole "thinking he could fly" shit 494524;1391999337;benkay;friends tossed him over. told a story. 494525;1391999342;nubbins`;^ 494526;1391999389;nubbins`;i've been pretty fucking high in my time, never thought i could fly 494527;1391999426;nubbins`;that's not even sensible 494528;1391999433;mircea_popescu;i think i can fly with regularity 494529;1391999439;mircea_popescu;usually happens right after boarding. 494530;1391999473;nubbins`;and eating lots of bran 494531;1391999502;nubbins`;anyone? no? 494532;1391999574;herbijudlestoids;nubbins`: i realistically doubt you could objectively identify a single dose of 25I-NBOMe from LSD 494533;1391999585;herbijudlestoids;its only at 2 dose or above you can start to notice the difference 494534;1391999588;dub;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura is fairly famous trip for mkaing peopel think they can fly 494535;1391999589;ozbot;Datura - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 494536;1391999596;nubbins`;herbijudlestoids: you can tell by the taste. NBOMe is intensely bitter. 494537;1391999606;nubbins`;you can tell from a half-hit 494538;1391999610;herbijudlestoids;nubbins`: whats that got to do with "fun" 494539;1391999621;nubbins`;oh, we're talking experience? 494540;1391999623;herbijudlestoids;dub: datura is a plant. are you referring to the tropane alkaloids contained within? 494541;1391999631;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you know not all peope can taste all bitters 494542;1391999632;herbijudlestoids;nubbins`: you said its not fun. i said you wouldnt know if i fed it to you 494543;1391999637;mircea_popescu;of which there are at least a few hundred 494544;1391999638;nubbins`;NBOME is much less visual, and is punctuated by these sporadic moments of clarity 494545;1391999645;herbijudlestoids;lel 494546;1391999654;nubbins`;like you're at the bar having a good time 494547;1391999669;herbijudlestoids;no offense nubbins` but your subjective analysis of what NBOMe "is", doesnt count for anything 494548;1391999670;nubbins`;all of a sudden "why the fuck do i feel so sketchy? why are we all moving our bodies like this?" 494549;1391999700;nubbins`;no offense yourself, but just because you can't tell two completely different drugs apart doesn't mean i can't 494550;1391999709;dub;herbijudlestoids: I suppose your anaylsis of a what a 'dose' is is sound though 494551;1391999727;herbijudlestoids;dub: i work it out on approximate basis from drug seizures, so yea 494552;1391999738;herbijudlestoids;used to be easier when the DEA had their microgram report 494553;1391999743;mircea_popescu;he;s got a numeric method :D 494554;1391999746;nubbins`;HEH. 494555;1391999772;nubbins`;the other point about silk road is that there were this group of guys called "the avengers" who would buy LSD from new vendors and get it tested in a lab for strength 494556;1391999782;nubbins`;and publish the results 494557;1391999800;mircea_popescu;so how many sample results did they ever publish ? 494558;1391999804;nubbins`;dozens 494559;1391999812;mircea_popescu;over a few years ? 494560;1391999817;mircea_popescu;dude that place sucked srsly. 494561;1391999829;herbijudlestoids;http://www.justice.gov/dea/pr/micrograms.shtml 494562;1391999830;nubbins`;there weren't that many different lsd vendors 494563;1391999830;ozbot;DEA / Micrograms 494564;1391999832;mircea_popescu;but anyway, props to them, nice going. 494565;1391999833;herbijudlestoids;go here for real data 494566;1391999836;mircea_popescu;where'd they measure it ? 494567;1391999838;dub;lol 494568;1391999838;nubbins`;maybe four or five 494569;1391999845;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, that's what i always wondered 494570;1391999848;dub;internet experts 494571;1391999851;mircea_popescu;they never said ?! 494572;1391999852;nubbins`;not the sort of thing you can just bring somewhere 494573;1391999856;mircea_popescu;yes, it is. 494574;1391999859;nubbins`;they had access to some sort of lab 494575;1391999867;nubbins`;heh. 494576;1391999871;mircea_popescu;wtf, they never said where they measure and you trusted the results /?! 494577;1391999875;nubbins`;i bring LSD to the uni, i'll expect a knock on my door 494578;1391999879;mircea_popescu;how do you know it wasn't just sr sponsored bs ? 494579;1391999879;herbijudlestoids;errr nubbins` yes it is 494580;1391999883;benkay;oh man i used to read microgram bulletin religiously 494581;1391999884;herbijudlestoids;nubbins`: errr no... 494582;1391999890;nubbins`;dude i don't fucking know, find the thread yourself! it's all there on the forums 494583;1391999899;mircea_popescu;im too lazy 494584;1391999902;herbijudlestoids;its like $80 to get any sample tested by HPLC 494585;1391999902;nubbins`;me too 494586;1391999919;herbijudlestoids;guess what, until its been HPLCd, you can claim ignorance as to the substance 494587;1391999923;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids would you trust the reported results of anon third parties that won't share where they measure ? 494588;1391999928;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: no. 494589;1391999930;nubbins`;and they'll tell you how many micrograms of lsd are in your tab? 494590;1391999932;mircea_popescu;makes 2. 494591;1391999949;herbijudlestoids;nubbins`: its an approximation, but yes. 494592;1391999955;mircea_popescu;nubbins` most labs in the civilised world will test a sample. 494593;1391999962;nubbins`;well i guess that's how the avengers did it then, isn't it? 494594;1391999969;nubbins`;everything is a fight! 494595;1391999973;mircea_popescu;if they actually did anything. 494596;1391999977;herbijudlestoids;you can just say youre a concerned mother who found something in their childs schoolbag and want to test it 494597;1391999982;dub;nubbins`: no o it isnt, fuck you 494598;1391999983;herbijudlestoids;i know, because i have 494599;1391999993;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids you claimed to be a woman ? 494600;1391999996;mircea_popescu;with whig or sans whig ? 494601;1392000000;herbijudlestoids;nubbins`: its not a fight until you claim something that is obviously not a fact (for people who know) as a fact 494602;1392000016;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: sans wig, over mail :) 494603;1392000017;dub;stand back guys he has dones this before 494604;1392000030;mircea_popescu;so mail fraud. 494605;1392000031;nubbins`;dub, herb is apparently a wizard 494606;1392000037;herbijudlestoids;iv listened to you guys spouting all kinds of dumb shit today 494607;1392000045;nubbins`;poor guy 494608;1392000048;nubbins`;want a back rub? 494609;1392000063;herbijudlestoids;id prefer you just verified things before spoutingthem as fact 494610;1392000073;nubbins`;i'd prefer if you fucked off 494611;1392000078;nubbins`;guess we're both not getting what we want 494612;1392000084;herbijudlestoids;k, enjoy your ignorance 494613;1392000095;nubbins`;what a tool 494614;1392000108;mircea_popescu;i can't believe someone took that seriously. 494615;1392000130;dub;this guy was taking shrapnel in khe sanh when you were crapping inyour hands and rubbing it in your face 494616;1392000165;dub;aww he raged 494617;1392000173;nubbins`;he was taking shrapnel last week? 494618;1392000176;nubbins`;no wonder he's so mad 494619;1392000181;mircea_popescu;nubbins` seriously tho, it's way more likely the avenger troop was just some vendor/ the sr itself doing pr. 494620;1392000188;dub;I thought we talked about bath salts 494621;1392000193;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: could be. they did out some frauds tho 494622;1392000200;mircea_popescu;did the frauds confess ? 494623;1392000205;nubbins`;they vanished 494624;1392000213;mircea_popescu;sr would be in a position to see complaints. 494625;1392000230;nubbins`;well, the review system worked pretty well too 494626;1392000235;nubbins`;"lsd was bunk, do not buy" 494627;1392000254;nubbins`;or "nice mild effects" left as a review for 5-MeO-DMT 494628;1392000293;moiety;;;gpg eregister moiety 6DF881D6696B6111 494629;1392000295;gribble;Request successful for user moiety, hostmask moiety!~smuxi@unaffiliated/moiety. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/6DF881D6696B6111 494630;1392000329;nubbins`;there's actually very few lsd manufacturers left, both due to risk and availability of precursors 494631;1392000333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00085157 = 13.4548 BTC [+] 494632;1392000335;mircea_popescu;moiety hey, nice. 494633;1392000348;nubbins`;generally your end product is coming from a handful of sources 494634;1392000362;nubbins`;a few vendors actually sold pure crystal 494635;1392000369;nubbins`;that was pretty rare tho 494636;1392000495;nubbins`;"By the time Silk Road shut down, The Avengers had reviewed 60 vendors, rating them on factors like packaging quality, shipping time, and price." 494637;1392000522;nubbins`;afaik the forums are gone forever, and with them, all those reviews 494638;1392000524;mircea_popescu;maybe it was some kid with a night shift at a lab or something. 494639;1392000538;nubbins`;could be. was a nice service 494640;1392000543;mircea_popescu;tho, you familiar with the recent mass scandal are you ? 494641;1392000552;nubbins`;don't think so 494642;1392000562;mircea_popescu;forensic chemist was discovered to have lied on thousands of reports 494643;1392000568;mircea_popescu;they ended up having to review ~10k cases 494644;1392000574;nubbins`;aha! yipes. 494645;1392000624;nubbins`;http://c.o0bc.com/rf/image_609w/Boston/2011-2020/2012/09/29/Boston.com/Metro/Images/State%20Police%20Lab%20Shutdown.JPEG-0be0e.jpg 494646;1392000642;nubbins`;she obviously didn't spend all her extra free time buying clothes 494647;1392000646;benkay;great way to get out of us jury duty: "i don't accept p-values greater than 0.001, and also I don't trust forensic 'scientists'" 494648;1392000663;mircea_popescu;you won't get excused. 494649;1392000670;benkay;oh but i did 494650;1392000679;nubbins`;heh. 494651;1392000683;mircea_popescu;what srsly ?! 494652;1392000686;benkay;mhm 494653;1392000690;mircea_popescu;you found a judge that knew what p is ? 494654;1392000693;benkay;effectively "I will break this jury" 494655;1392000693;nubbins`;i was an alternate juror once, didn't quite make the cut 494656;1392000694;mircea_popescu;where the fuck. 494657;1392000697;benkay;nope. voir dire. 494658;1392000701;benkay;voire dire? 494659;1392000713;nubbins`;voir 494660;1392000729;benkay;the preselection where the lawyers kick everyone out who has an inkling of intelligence. 494661;1392000737;nubbins`;yeah 494662;1392000740;nubbins`;i made it past that point 494663;1392000740;mircea_popescu;well then you got kicked not excused 494664;1392000747;mircea_popescu;that i made no representation of. 494665;1392000751;nubbins`;it was some domestic abuse trial, most of the female jurors got the boot 494666;1392000759;nubbins`;i'm a large angry man, i got to stay 494667;1392000759;benkay;ya well see above "great way to get out of" 494668;1392000779;mircea_popescu;that i saw. 494669;1392000806;mircea_popescu;nubbins` how are you large 494670;1392000811;dub;I managed to do somethign to get unpicked at the benkay stage 494671;1392000821;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00546087 = 0.3167 BTC [+] {3} 494672;1392000828;dub;quite surprised to have been summoned tbh 494673;1392000831;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: 188cm, 100kg! 494674;1392000842;nubbins`;i'm not medium 494675;1392000861;mircea_popescu;o okay. 494676;1392000882;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00546 = 0.1529 BTC [-] 494677;1392000888;mircea_popescu;i never got jurydutied, but i was once in the team kicking you ppl off 494678;1392000929;diametric;in maryland atheists aren't allowed to serve on juries. 494679;1392000930;mircea_popescu;not sure how well known this is, but esp in the larger trials the jury selection team of a well funded defender may include > 100 people 494680;1392000933;dub;I was easy 494681;1392000937;nubbins`;diametric WHAT 494682;1392000939;diametric;i mean i guess if i wanted to serve it would be easy to fight 494683;1392000939;nubbins`;HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH 494684;1392000943;dub;'you have how many convictions?' 494685;1392000950;nubbins`;WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN 494686;1392000963;mircea_popescu;nubbins` won't swear on the bible 494687;1392000969;dub;it means don't go to america 494688;1392000971;dub;ever. 494689;1392000978;nubbins`;you're not given the option to take a "solemn oath"? 494690;1392000986;dub;best case, nuke it from orbit 494691;1392000987;mircea_popescu;dub just accept gizas already in your heart dubsy 494692;1392001010;moiety;;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c9f70550bfb1f08e79daa780040970b356f24d938d2411e7d4a9b059 494693;1392001011;gribble;Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user moiety with key 6DF881D6696B6111 494694;1392001012;diametric;nubbins`: Article 36 of the Maryland Declaration of Rights says I have to believe in God: "nor shall any person, otherwise competent, be deemed incompetent as a witness, or juror, on account of his religious belief; provided, he believes in the existence of God, and that under His dispensation such person will be held morally accountable for his acts, and be rewarded or punished therefore either in this world 494695;1392001012;diametric;or in the world to come."" 494696;1392001031;nubbins`;when we dragged our dirtbag ex-tenants to a hearing, the only ones who lied through their teeth were the ones who swore on a bible rather than doing an affirmation 494697;1392001039;moiety;\o/ think that's me on WoT mircea_popescu! 494698;1392001045;mircea_popescu;wd wd! 494699;1392001063;mircea_popescu;smart girl. 494700;1392001069;nubbins`;diametric: to me, that says something other than what you said. 494701;1392001083;mircea_popescu;http://static.tumblr.com/af06dd0807d256dc1dec8abe12cd8f1b/oghd6vg/FBSmgqgxn/tumblr_static_chocolate_chip_cookies.jpeg 494702;1392001085;mircea_popescu;there's a cookie. 494703;1392001099;mircea_popescu;nubbins` how ?! 494704;1392001100;nubbins`;diametric: that seems to say that you can't be deemed incompetent for believing in god 494705;1392001107;mircea_popescu;you misread. 494706;1392001125;nubbins`;nor shall any person be deemed incompetent on account of religious belief, provided he believes in god 494707;1392001127;dub;you missed the provided 494708;1392001127;diametric;no it clearly states I'm only competent to serve so long as I believe in God 494709;1392001129;mircea_popescu;won't be deemed incompetent for his religious belief if and only if he believes in god 494710;1392001134;moiety;woah thats a way better cookie than all these sites usually try to give me..... 494711;1392001143;nubbins`;that's saying you can call a pastafarian retarded 494712;1392001150;nubbins`;not that you have to swear on a bible. 494713;1392001156;mircea_popescu;a pastafarian is retarded 494714;1392001163;diametric;Article 37 also prevents me from holding office 494715;1392001168;diametric;""That no religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of belief in the existence of God;"" 494716;1392001173;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: nah, they're just having a lel 494717;1392001176;mircea_popescu;diametric did you want to hold mariland office ?! 494718;1392001181;diametric;mircea_popescu: fuck no 494719;1392001187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43500 @ 0.00085048 = 36.9959 BTC [-] {3} 494720;1392001190;mircea_popescu;i was thinking... wait, THAT is what prevents you ? 494721;1392001196;diametric;haha 494722;1392001198;mircea_popescu;lol 494723;1392001209;the20year;hmm , i imagine falling during snowboarding and then breaking your helmet isn't good 494724;1392001243;nubbins`;the20year: saw that 494725;1392001246;dub;no automagically bad 494726;1392001247;nubbins`;that was a HARD fall 494727;1392001253;nubbins`;backwards downhill 494728;1392001264;the20year;Yeah 494729;1392001284;nubbins`;the entire womens event was much less exciting than the mens 494730;1392001292;the20year;I wonder if they show the same stuff at the same time in canada, i know here it's all recorded 494731;1392001293;nubbins`;biggest rotation was a 1080! 494732;1392001297;the20year;Always is 494733;1392001305;nubbins`;i watched it hours ago on the internet 494734;1392001315;the20year;Remember , in china one woman got a comparable score to a man and they all said it was a conspiracy 494735;1392001323;the20year;I'd looove to see them do mixed gender sports 494736;1392001334;nubbins`;nah, would be no fun 494737;1392001352;the20year;Would prove a point to the sexists that women and men are differnet :D 494738;1392001386;nubbins`;i don't know if even the hardcore feminists believe that women and men perform equally well in sports 494739;1392001395;the20year;i've talked to quite a few who seem to think that 494740;1392001402;mircea_popescu;the20year women and men aren't different iyo ?! 494741;1392001406;nubbins`;did you tell them that testosterone builds muscle? 494742;1392001415;the20year;They refused it 494743;1392001418;nubbins`;i uh 494744;1392001422;nubbins`;well then 494745;1392001428;the20year;Look at how many women want women in combat operations in the US 494746;1392001431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5919 @ 0.00085209 = 5.0435 BTC [+] 494747;1392001439;mircea_popescu;again with what people want. 494748;1392001440;the20year;The marines refuse to change their testing methods, army was sued to the point of compliance 494749;1392001450;nubbins`;sure, but the US military is spread thinner than the butter on bilbo's bread 494750;1392001462;nubbins`;they almost have to take women 494751;1392001465;nubbins`;or else start a draft 494752;1392001469;mircea_popescu;lol ayup. 494753;1392001474;the20year;Not really, as it stands now they can scale enlistment if they play with iring bonuses 494754;1392001477;the20year;*hiring 494755;1392001479;mircea_popescu;"why turn down pretty much the only people who still WANT to be in" 494756;1392001493;mircea_popescu;yeah, budget just got cut for the nth consecutive year. 494757;1392001505;nubbins`;"joining the military gave me the opportunities to get raped and belittled that i've been missing my entire life" 494758;1392001523;mircea_popescu;nubbins` nine in ten gangbang participants are there voluntarily. 494759;1392001537;dub;don't discount the free mobility scooter you get a the end 494760;1392001545;mircea_popescu;it's free now ?! 494761;1392001548;nubbins`;"free" 494762;1392001552;mircea_popescu;aok 494763;1392001553;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 41 @ 0.0055 = 0.2255 BTC 494764;1392001560;nubbins`;with the purchase of a one-way flight to kandahar 494765;1392001643;mircea_popescu;;;tslb 494766;1392001646;gribble;Time since last block: 13 minutes and 52 seconds 494767;1392001655;nubbins`;http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/14/4828448/silk-road-lsd-avengers-drug-inspectors 494768;1392001660;nubbins`;there's your answer 494769;1392001667;nubbins`;http://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/3387971/reagent_560.jpg 494770;1392001694;nubbins`;lel, the reagent pouch says "contains strong acid" 494771;1392001695;the20year;Gonna get some video Tuesday of some fantastic properties in central Ohio 494772;1392001704;nubbins`;there's a joke in there 494773;1392001770;benkay;"fantastic" "central ohio" 494774;1392001775;benkay;sounds like a good chuckle to me. 494775;1392001785;nubbins`;i meant the image i posted 494776;1392001790;benkay;i know ;) 494777;1392001790;nubbins`;but that too, i guess 494778;1392001790;the20year;it was kind of a joke 494779;1392001804;the20year;I've got 3 candidates i'm gonna go take a look at, highest one is priced at $34k 494780;1392001809;nubbins`;from what i understand about america 494781;1392001815;benkay;coming out of the btc you've raised? 494782;1392001822;nubbins`;you can name any place and people will tell you it sucks 494783;1392001838;nubbins`;"oh, the midwest? gross" 494784;1392001838;the20year;if any of them are good candidates, maybe 494785;1392001841;benkay;how much rentalstarter have you sold through your ipo, the20year? 494786;1392001846;nubbins`;"the south? jeez" 494787;1392001849;the20year;As of now a little shy of $100k in fiat 494788;1392001857;nubbins`;"virginias? ugh" 494789;1392001858;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33550 @ 0.00085508 = 28.6879 BTC [+] {2} 494790;1392001860;benkay;;;calc 100000/700 494791;1392001861;gribble;142.857142857 494792;1392001866;benkay;dang man 494793;1392001880;benkay;ponzi.io pulled in more than that in the fifteen minutes it was running 494794;1392001896;the20year;I was pretty surprised at how much $$$ they were pulling in 494795;1392001898;nubbins`;;;google .io tld 494796;1392001899;gribble;.io - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; NIC.IO - The Indian Ocean .IO Domain Registry and Network ...: ; Register .IO Domain: Buy TLD Extension/Suffix British Indian Ocean ...: 494797;1392001903;nubbins`;interesting 494798;1392001959;nubbins`;;;later tell truffles i wanted to play chess but you weren't here 494799;1392001959;gribble;The operation succeeded. 494800;1392001963;nubbins`;^ muahahaha 494801;1392002392;mircea_popescu;benkay he could have pulled in just as much if he bought his own stock the same way. 494802;1392002434;nubbins`;http://betanomics.asia/blog/store-and-send-bitcoin-directly-from-your-brain-using-braincontrol 494803;1392002438;mircea_popescu;!t h rent 494804;1392002438;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (4547 shares, 25.00850000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (24033 shares, 132.18150000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (24033 shares, 132.18150000 BTC) 494805;1392002446;mircea_popescu;25 btc != 100k usd are they ? 494806;1392002455;mircea_popescu;o wait, it's been a week 494807;1392002466;ozbot;Betanomics.asia - Storing and Sending Bitcoins Directly from Your Brain using BrainControl.me 494808;1392002507;nubbins`;^ almost sent some dust to try looking for the usual holes, realized i can't be bothered 494809;1392002600;copumpkin;selling 25 btc for $100k, any takers? 494810;1392002641;copumpkin;these are some high quality coins I'm offering 494811;1392002647;nubbins`;hong kong dollars, errrrr...? 494812;1392002654;copumpkin;nah, USD 494813;1392002662;nubbins`;gross, do not hold 494814;1392002675;benkay;;;ticker --market 494815;1392002675;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code (1 more message) 494816;1392002678;copumpkin;oh well, no high-quality coins for you then 494817;1392002686;benkay;;;ticker --market btcavg 494818;1392002687;gribble;BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 696.36, Best ask: 701.5, Bid-ask spread: 5.14000, Last trade: 700.81, 24 hour volume: 57173.56, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 688.31 494819;1392002692;dub;zimbabwe dollars 494820;1392002711;benkay;;;calc 696.36*132.1815 494821;1392002711;gribble;92045.90934 494822;1392002759;dub;so gox.. 494823;1392002764;dub;end game or end game 494824;1392002772;copumpkin;benkay: there's also a market sell/buy command 494825;1392002787;the20year;I don't know what 25btc is over that time period, we're around 140btc 494826;1392002809;benkay;;;market sell 494827;1392002809;gribble;(market sell [--usd] [--market ] ) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of bitcoins. If is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, denotes the size of the order in USD. 494828;1392002819;benkay;;;market sell 130 494829;1392002831;gribble;A market order to sell 130 bitcoins right now would net 88784.0021 USD and would take the last price down to 680.0200 USD, resulting in an average price of 682.9539 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0708 seconds 494830;1392002834;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.06914002 = 0.6914 BTC [-] {4} 494831;1392002836;nubbins`;so what i'm going to do is find my laptop charger, pour a bowl of cereal, and listen to bad brains 494832;1392002853;the20year;Coinbase price right now is 724/brc 494833;1392002855;the20year;*btc 494834;1392002896;benkay;coinbase? 494835;1392002905;benkay;what the fuck does that have to do with anything? 494836;1392002911;benkay;and also good luck getting that price. 494837;1392002923;the20year;It should be no less than 720 494838;1392002927;mircea_popescu;they actually buy from you at 724 ? 494839;1392002939;the20year;Right around there 494840;1392002960;the20year;let me see what their price would be 494841;1392002965;diametric;mircea_popescu: they do 494842;1392002986;diametric;its also locked at time of purchase/sale. I'd be worried about holding your coins in coinbase though. 494843;1392002997;the20year;I try to avoid holding anything substantial in there 494844;1392002999;mircea_popescu;historically they're very waffly with actually delivering at the price but hey. 494845;1392003004;nubbins`;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvQBu7Xu2Jk 494846;1392003005;ozbot;BAD BRAINS - Black Dots 1978 [FULL ALBUM] - YouTube 494847;1392003019;the20year;I've sold around 600btc with them 494848;1392003030;the20year;err, no , it'd be more around 900 494849;1392003038;diametric;mircea_popescu: theres the occasional report of orders canceled during a "high" 494850;1392003079;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.123 = 0.246 BTC [-] {2} 494851;1392003081;mircea_popescu;or low as tyhe case may be 494852;1392003083;the20year;‏‎50btc sold via coinabse would be 35,995.50 494853;1392003101;nubbins`;re: this "braincontrol.me" / "coinpunk" stuff 494854;1392003114;nubbins`;great that they're trying to get btc on iphones 494855;1392003122;diametric;selling 50btc on coinbase will almost certainly be reported to the IRS, and also likely cause a SAR to be filed by your bank. 494856;1392003124;nubbins`;but i'm not blindly trusting some random html5 website, for eternity 494857;1392003128;the20year;Your point? 494858;1392003139;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12233333 = 0.367 BTC [-] {3} 494859;1392003144;the20year;The money is reported to the IRS anyway 494860;1392003162;benkay;nubbins`: the point with coinpunk is to run a web wallet for your friends. 494861;1392003176;nubbins`;wait, what? 494862;1392003179;benkay;not to be industrial-grade wallet for the masses. 494863;1392003181;nubbins`;did i 100% misunderstand 494864;1392003187;benkay;yup. 494865;1392003191;nubbins`;D: 494866;1392003194;benkay;it's a zero-trust self hosted thing 494867;1392003205;mircea_popescu;diametric the guy is in the business of buying up real estate and renting it out 494868;1392003216;mircea_popescu;i'd expect he has paperwork in order 494869;1392003220;nubbins`;ohhhhh. 494870;1392003225;nubbins`;coinpunk.org vs coinpunk.com 494871;1392003228;diametric;mircea_popescu: i would hope so 494872;1392003230;benkay;more than happy to forward any comments on security/threat model to kyle 494873;1392003232;nubbins`;sort of like wordpress.org/.com 494874;1392003234;nubbins`;now i see 494875;1392003259;benkay;something like that, sure 494876;1392003274;nubbins`;wait, are .org and .com even the same outfit? 494877;1392003300;diametric;no 494878;1392003305;mircea_popescu;benkay who's kyle 494879;1392003319;nubbins`;hah 494880;1392003321;nubbins`;WELL THEN 494881;1392003329;nubbins`;nicely diluted brand 494882;1392003342;benkay;it's impossible to tell, but i'll check with him sometime. 494883;1392003364;benkay;kyledrake 494884;1392003368;benkay;aka Kyle Drake 494885;1392003375;nubbins`;.com looks less legit 494886;1392003389;diametric;nubbins`: i mis-read i thought you were asking about the registry level. 494887;1392003394;diametric;nubbins`: like literally .org and .com 494888;1392003395;nubbins`;oh 494889;1392003396;nubbins`;heh 494890;1392003402;nubbins`;no, coinpunk.org / coinpunk.com 494891;1392003410;benkay;mircea_popescu: http://kyledrake.net/ 494892;1392003415;nubbins`;starting to think .com is scamming 494893;1392003443;benkay;that is a downside to the model - unless you actually know the server operator they can deliver anything they want to your browser. 494894;1392003445;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.122 BTC [-] 494895;1392003465;nubbins`;nod 494896;1392003487;nubbins`;at least with brainwallet.org etc you can host the files locally 494897;1392003488;benkay;but this is similar to the web wallet threat model anyways - don't trust strangers with your bitcoins. 494898;1392003491;nubbins`;no such option on a phone 494899;1392003514;mircea_popescu;ic 494900;1392003579;nubbins`;man, i gotta say 494901;1392003593;nubbins`;bad brains is a fucking great band 494902;1392003666;nubbins`;kind of amazing that the most intense hardcore punk band i can think of is four black guys who started doing it in the 70s 494903;1392003666;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 494904;1392004370;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Who needs a phone when IRC is a thing? 494905;1392004398;nubbins`;humans :( 494906;1392004439;moiety;BingoBoingo: i have been gpg-ing. mircea told me to get my arse on wot. so there i am! didn't even bug him for help 494907;1392004480;BingoBoingo;moiety: Congrats. Think how far ahead you would have been should you have tried this when it was first suggested? 494908;1392004535;moiety;2015: i might try an order 494909;1392004568;mod6;its easy, there is a wiki for gribble :) 494910;1392004604;BingoBoingo;Eh, prolly look at the order book and see if there are any you can fill in the next month or two. I mean moiety, Your key could have been 5, 6, 7 months older. 494911;1392004631;moiety;i wish everything was command line 494912;1392004643;moiety;true BingoBoingo i'm not in any kind of rush mind you 494913;1392004725;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.072 = 0.288 BTC [+] {3} 494914;1392004729;moiety;happy reading, observing, drinking in atm 494915;1392004847;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+] 494916;1392004848;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0725 = 0.2175 BTC [+] {2} 494917;1392004901;joecool;how's it going? 494918;1392004908;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [+] {2} 494919;1392004934;nubbins`;i'm going to bed 494920;1392004969;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.07345 = 1.1752 BTC [+] {4} 494921;1392004970;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1215 = 0.3645 BTC [-] 494922;1392004971;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 494923;1392005091;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 330 @ 0.00300012 = 0.99 BTC [-] {3} 494924;1392005097;nubbins`;nitey nite 494925;1392005206;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you didn';t use the magic word 494926;1392005227;BingoBoingo;Prolly 494927;1392005228;mircea_popescu;joecool pretty cool 494928;1392005237;mircea_popescu;moiety so, would you like some atc ? 494929;1392005239;BingoBoingo;Should have said sudo 494930;1392005316;joecool;mircea_popescu: nubbins` was talking about romanians in OTC so i thought of you 494931;1392005326;mircea_popescu;haha 494932;1392005336;joecool;not too many other romanians online actually say useful things 494933;1392005337;mircea_popescu;was he saying bad things ? 494934;1392005351;joecool;no he was talking of some other romanian 494935;1392005353;mircea_popescu;wait there's other romanians online ?! 494936;1392005360;joecool;that's what i thought 494937;1392005362;mircea_popescu;what heresy is this 494938;1392005401;joecool;i always assumed they were too busy chasing chickens to come online (i have tried this pastime, it was exciting for an afternoon) 494939;1392005491;mircea_popescu;full disclosure : when i was about 5 my uncle told me that ducks absolutely have to be serviced by having their tail turned with a fixed wrench 494940;1392005493;mircea_popescu;or else they may die 494941;1392005503;mircea_popescu;and so i spent half a day chasing ducks with a fixed wrench 494942;1392005526;joecool;seems legit 494943;1392005533;joecool;does romania have a tourism agency? 494944;1392005537;mircea_popescu;uh 494945;1392005546;mircea_popescu;what's that ? like a travel agent ? 494946;1392005568;joecool;hm maybe not the correct word, a government PR campaign 494947;1392005573;mircea_popescu;a. prolly. 494948;1392005582;joecool;"come to romania, our ducks are the best to chase" 494949;1392005592;mircea_popescu;;;google campanie vizitati romania 494950;1392005592;gribble;"WHY DON'T YOU COME OVER?" Răspunsul Gândul la campania ...: ; PENNY Market Romania: ; Mirela Stelea sustine campania Romania, tara inimilor mari - YouTube: 494951;1392005597;mircea_popescu;there. 494952;1392005758;benkay;hey joecool 494953;1392005772;joecool;hey? 494954;1392006189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00085379 = 11.3554 BTC [-] 494955;1392006794;KRS-One;http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/bitcoin-price-drops-as-mt-gox-exchange-closes-indefinitely-20140210-32ap1.html 494956;1392006854;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: Should be interesting to see how shit settles with their fractional reserve out of the picture. 494957;1392006906;KRS-One;interesting yep 494958;1392006922;benkay;BingoBoingo: total shitshow impending. "oh, bitcoins on sale you say? mt gox fell apart and bitcoin is still around? guess i better throw ten US shitbucks into it" waits three weeks "well damn now i need a return on my bitcoins" BS&T v.2 494959;1392006934;KRS-One;now a good time to short? 494960;1392006968;benkay;KRS-One, BingoBoingo: when gox actually folds, do you think there'll be a significant leg down? 494961;1392006998;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: Good time to probably go long 6-12 months. Gox dying prolly removes a bunch of fake BTC and fake dollars. It will take time to figure out what there was more of. 494962;1392007135;BingoBoingo;benkay: The thing about shitshows is that it is best to watch the cripple fight and wait to act. 494963;1392007177;joecool;imma take the blame for mtgox falling apparent 494964;1392007184;joecool;*apart 494965;1392007217;joecool;spread some FUD a couple nights ago and it started a run, then they ceased withdrawals 494966;1392007225;joecool;exposed: mtgox the bucket shop 494967;1392007531;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-most-serene-republic-and-its-laws/ 494968;1392007829;benkay;mircea_popescu you're just cheating now 494969;1392007858;mircea_popescu;a man using his father's sword is not cheating. he is my father, i use which is mine. 494970;1392008080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21117 @ 0.00085512 = 18.0576 BTC [+] 494971;1392008629;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00085692 = 24.0366 BTC [+] {2} 494972;1392009178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00085363 = 14.7678 BTC [-] {2} 494973;1392009300;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0735 = 0.294 BTC [+] 494974;1392009586;copumpkin;all MPOE transactions are fairly large 494975;1392009598;copumpkin;I'd expect to see more "dust" 494976;1392010459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63463 @ 0.00085697 = 54.3859 BTC [+] {2} 494977;1392010585;copumpkin;see? large transactions! 494978;1392010595;copumpkin;where'd nefario go? 494979;1392010668;BingoBoingo;copumpkin: Prolly went to Panama 494980;1392010707;copumpkin;where'd my >0.001 MPOE go, anyway 494981;1392010711;copumpkin;give it back 494982;1392010726;copumpkin;man, once MPOE goes above 1 btc/share, I'll be rich 494983;1392010729;copumpkin;if not as rich as mircea_popescu 494984;1392010735;copumpkin;I can't wait 494985;1392010748;copumpkin;then I can give my bentley back to him 494986;1392010767;mircea_popescu;what's this bentley you keep speaking of lol 494987;1392010799;copumpkin;oh you know 494988;1392010802;copumpkin;just my car 494989;1392010825;copumpkin;okay fine, fine, I lied 494990;1392010828;mircea_popescu;i had no idea you drived 494991;1392010831;copumpkin;I don't own a bentley (or any car) 494992;1392010841;copumpkin;and I didn't steal any money from you 494993;1392010846;copumpkin;gah, such a stickler for details 494994;1392011496;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1650 @ 0.00020195 = 0.3332 BTC [-] 494995;1392011777;Chaang-Noi;he copumpkin 494996;1392011781;Chaang-Noi;hey* 494997;1392011800;copumpkin;hey Chaang-Noi 494998;1392011818;Chaang-Noi;how ya been? 494999;1392011843;copumpkin;not bad, not doing anything in bitcoin these days 495000;1392011852;Chaang-Noi;still hodling? 495001;1392011880;copumpkin;yeah, a few :) you? 495002;1392011887;Chaang-Noi;yeah a few 495003;1392011896;Chaang-Noi;im not doing much either 495004;1392011902;Chaang-Noi;got some miners 495005;1392011962;Chaang-Noi;they should have been 2 TH/s but only 1.6 TH/s kinda sucks 495006;1392011965;Chaang-Noi;might have to sue em 495007;1392012350;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.074 = 0.37 BTC [+] 495008;1392012472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00085841 = 30.1302 BTC [+] {3} 495009;1392012594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00085802 = 14.2002 BTC [-] 495010;1392012838;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0029901 = 0.598 BTC [-] 495011;1392012960;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 578 @ 0.00020195 = 0.1167 BTC [-] 495012;1392013082;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.12049999 = 1.205 BTC [-] {4} 495013;1392013299;KRS-One;nsfw http://i.imgur.com/k8poyUI.jpg 495014;1392013304;KRS-One;That is some olympic ass I can dive right into. 495015;1392013306;KRS-One;.bait 495016;1392013308;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/8d294c47d83550e992b5b85bf8435f01/tumblr_mwf27sPeew1snhkgqo1_500.jpg 495017;1392013357;KRS-One;^^^ thats like somebody's mom 495018;1392013753;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+] 495019;1392015156;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00085889 = 23.4048 BTC [+] {2} 495020;1392015217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1768 @ 0.00085875 = 1.5183 BTC [-] 495021;1392015997;benkay;eventually it all comes down to bits on the wire 495022;1392016132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00085938 = 7.8633 BTC [+] 495023;1392016708;BingoBoingo;Lol Apple http://apple.slashdot.org/story/14/02/10/0535227/mac-os-x-bitcoin-stealing-trojan-horse-called-osxcointhief-discovered 495024;1392017596;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 181 @ 0.0055 = 0.9955 BTC 495025;1392017657;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04897944 = 0.2449 BTC [+] 495026;1392017718;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.04897954 = 0.6857 BTC [+] {3} 495027;1392019792;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00550001 = 0.1375 BTC [-] 495028;1392020136;kakobrekla;hi 495029;1392020189;davout;hello 495030;1392020217;kakobrekla;heya davout 495031;1392020220;kakobrekla;hows it going 495032;1392020271;davout;pretty good, and yourself kind sir ? 495033;1392020299;davout;i am about to prove the internet wrong 495034;1392020305;kakobrekla;excellent, seems im getting my power back 495035;1392020321;davout;the weed fumes are dissipating ? 495036;1392020359;kakobrekla;hehe 495037;1392020364;davout;you'll read about it in the NYT toomorrow "Frenchman proves the internet wrong by having a shower" 495038;1392020585;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 600 @ 0.000191 = 0.1146 BTC [-] {2} 495039;1392020768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12955 @ 0.00085893 = 11.1274 BTC [-] {2} 495040;1392021022;kakobrekla;i take it back 495041;1392021025;kakobrekla;no power 495042;1392023128;Apocalyptic;.d 495043;1392023131;ozbot;2621404453.06462 | Next Diff in 1195 blocks | Estimated Change: 11.9065% in 7d 7h 18m 51s 495044;1392023208;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1299987 BTC [+] 495045;1392024306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10935 @ 0.00085942 = 9.3978 BTC [+] {2} 495046;1392024348;btc-monkey;"Hello MagicalTux, any update about the current situation please ? <- the release is almost ready, running final checks before it goes online 495047;1392024916;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00085971 = 11.864 BTC [+] 495048;1392026075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1819 @ 0.00085863 = 1.5618 BTC [-] {2} 495049;1392026136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8641 @ 0.0008564 = 7.4002 BTC [-] 495050;1392026645;dub;https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20140210.html 495051;1392026646;ozbot;MtGox - Bitcoin Exchange 495052;1392026853;BingoBoingo;So... MtGox plans to resume Bitcoin withdrawals... never? 495053;1392026872;Apocalyptic;let the dumping begin 495054;1392026933;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: Why dumping? 495055;1392026957;davout;mtgox chan topic : "MtGox is NOT dead as a FUD post suggests" <<< priceless 495056;1392026957;Apocalyptic;some people want to get btc out of gox, they don't have any other choice but to sell 495057;1392027046;kakobrekla;;;ticker 495058;1392027047;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 620.0, Best ask: 627.0, Bid-ask spread: 7.00000, Last trade: 620.0, 24 hour volume: 22218.65782057, 24 hour low: 620.21057, 24 hour high: 700.0, 24 hour vwap: 666.25873 495059;1392027112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.0008564 = 19.1834 BTC [-] 495060;1392027234;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1172 @ 0.0029875 = 3.5014 BTC [-] {19} 495061;1392027295;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1292 @ 0.00292181 = 3.775 BTC [-] {12} 495062;1392027356;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 408 @ 0.00288932 = 1.1788 BTC [-] {6} 495063;1392027509;kakobrekla;flash crash 495064;1392027551;Apocalyptic;i hope other exchanges won't follow 495065;1392027579;Apocalyptic;there is no way to arb now anyway 495066;1392027662;KRS1; It is exceptionally unlikely that malleability will be fixed in the year. We've been slowly moving towards improving it, v0.8 closed of many forms of it. 495067;1392027790;davout;Apocalyptic: i think there will be bots propagating the dip 495068;1392027844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00086008 = 40.4238 BTC [+] {4} 495069;1392027888;pizzaman1337;;;ticker 495070;1392027888;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 584.25, Best ask: 590.0, Bid-ask spread: 5.75000, Last trade: 580.13001, 24 hour volume: 27115.47675369, 24 hour low: 580.13, 24 hour high: 700.0, 24 hour vwap: 653.84098 495071;1392027966;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001902 = 0.1902 BTC [-] 495072;1392028027;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] 495073;1392028029;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0745 = 0.2235 BTC [+] 495074;1392028034;KRS1;wow if this is really a bug in bitcoin..otherwise what a perfect way to stall the failing of your exchange, tie up developers for months and blame btc 495075;1392028054;Apocalyptic; wow if this is really a bug in bitcoin // it's not... 495076;1392028073;punkman;so someone is fucking with MtGox? where is the proof? 495077;1392028145;Apocalyptic; orweinberger: not really. It makes some implications which are just flat out untrue. 495078;1392028149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13743 @ 0.00086036 = 11.8239 BTC [+] {2} 495079;1392028150;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.075 = 0.3 BTC [+] 495080;1392028160;Apocalyptic;[the mtgox statement] 495081;1392028210;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.19376446 = 2.9065 BTC [+] 495082;1392028271;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.13033323 = 0.391 BTC [+] {3} 495083;1392028273;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 495084;1392028332;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.131 BTC [+] 495085;1392028637;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0754 = 0.1508 BTC [+] 495086;1392029064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41470 @ 0.00086053 = 35.6862 BTC [+] {2} 495087;1392029125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00086061 = 3.9588 BTC [+] 495088;1392029674;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0754995 = 0.604 BTC [+] {2} 495089;1392029675;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12 = 0.24 BTC [-] 495090;1392029676;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 495091;1392029857;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12125 = 0.485 BTC [+] {2} 495092;1392029919;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.123 = 0.738 BTC [+] {3} 495093;1392029994;jurov;morning. so devs say mtgox largely fabricated whole issue? 495094;1392030003;dub;yep 495095;1392030031;kakobrekla;sauce? 495096;1392030040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00085619 = 4.2381 BTC [-] {2} 495097;1392030095;Apocalyptic;morning jurov 495098;1392030101;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+] 495099;1392030112;Apocalyptic;gox is spreading so much fud in their statement 495100;1392030121;kakobrekla;;;goxlag 495101;1392030125;gribble;MtGox lag is 221.07766 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.443037155331 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Mercury (0.39 AU). 495102;1392030127;kakobrekla;did this thing stop? 495103;1392030144;davout;BTC dropped 10% because of the announcement 495104;1392030168;kakobrekla;more like 20% 495105;1392030182;kakobrekla;but i think goxes strings and cans capped out 495106;1392030200;punkman;the chinese prices finally went below $700 495107;1392030207;davout;kakobrekla: looking at BC 495108;1392030219;davout;well, those delicious cheap coinz won't be lost on everyone 495109;1392030236;kakobrekla;whats the daily vol there 495110;1392030345;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.55816667 = 5.5817 BTC [-] {8} 495111;1392030360;davout;shitty 495112;1392030408;kakobrekla;hm 495113;1392030431;kakobrekla;well it can only get better once gox blows 495114;1392030448;dub;word 495115;1392030474;davout;sure, that's pretty much the plan, do stuff right and let it mature 495116;1392030552;jurov;http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2014/02/10#l1392027399 starting roughly from there 495117;1392030604;Apocalyptic;davout, sounds like a good plan 495118;1392030703;jurov;are the verifications going better yet? 495119;1392030709;davout;mucho better 495120;1392030731;davout;we have a bunch of chicks working full-time on it 495121;1392030747;kakobrekla;oh, if you have chicks, ill allow anal probing 495122;1392030749;jurov;i sent my brother over to b-c last week, dunno if he actually registered 495123;1392030772;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00285 = 0.1026 BTC [+] 495124;1392030813;davout;i need to implement referrals once everything calms down a bit 495125;1392030872;kakobrekla;btw have you looked into supporting neteller or is that something you cant do 495126;1392030894;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00279821 = 5.5964 BTC [-] {13} 495127;1392030936;davout;looks like someone is trying to pull the same kind of shit karpeles is talking about on BC 495128;1392030945;davout;except he's trying to do it with deposits 495129;1392030954;kakobrekla;hm? 495130;1392030957;davout;which is utterly retardeed 495131;1392030979;davout;i just made a deposit to my account 495132;1392030989;davout;and it appears twice, under two different TXIDs 495133;1392031045;kakobrekla;im starting to suspect gox lost a bunch of coins in this matter 495134;1392031069;davout;who knows 495135;1392031087;davout;but i can confirm first hand that someone mutated my TX on the fly 495136;1392031104;jurov;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1x93tf/some_irc_chatter_about_what_is_going_on_at_mtgox/cf99yac 495137;1392031117;Apocalyptic;kako, it's certain 495138;1392031139;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2500 @ 0.00270233 = 6.7558 BTC [-] {20} 495139;1392031144;kakobrekla;how is it certain 495140;1392031144;jurov;seems mtgox reimplemented their wallet from scratch and badly, so yes, they mayb have lost 495141;1392031153;davout;i'd suspect someone is out there mutating every single transaction around for fun and profit 495142;1392031154;jurov;from the reddit comment above 495143;1392031180;kakobrekla;doesnt open here dunno great firewall of somalia 495144;1392031203;davout;it's definitely not a problem for deposits tho 495145;1392031211;davout;it doesn't seem targeted 495146;1392031226;kakobrekla;i hear this is btce: http://i.imgur.com/XDcjlts.png 495147;1392031256;davout;lol 495148;1392031318;Apocalyptic; how is it certain // because people fixed the mispadded signature, so the coins went through and were refunded both at the same time 495149;1392031321;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0754995 = 0.5285 BTC [+] 495150;1392031359;kakobrekla;cool beans 495151;1392031626;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12 = 0.36 BTC [-] 495152;1392031748;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0754995 = 0.3775 BTC [+] 495153;1392031749;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-] 495154;1392031809;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12 = 0.36 BTC [-] 495155;1392031810;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0754995 = 0.2265 BTC [+] 495156;1392031871;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12 BTC [-] 495157;1392031931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00085992 = 21.025 BTC [+] {3} 495158;1392031931;jurov;glad we have a specification that says how to properly pad the numbers and stuff 495159;1392031945;davout;word 495160;1392031992;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+] 495161;1392032114;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00086149 = 21.968 BTC [+] {2} 495162;1392032119;punkman;well china doesn't seem to be giving many fucks, back to $700 495163;1392032327;kakobrekla;;;goxlag 495164;1392032329;gribble;MtGox lag is 1327.087254 seconds. During this time, light travels 2.65946799821 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Ceres (in the main asteroid belt) (2.77 AU). 495165;1392033486;bitesak;;;ticker 495166;1392033487;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 605.0, Best ask: 640.0, Bid-ask spread: 35.00000, Last trade: 599.99, 24 hour volume: 34105.23173009, 24 hour low: 500.0, 24 hour high: 700.0, 24 hour vwap: 630.03267 495167;1392033945;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [-] 495168;1392033946;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00085744 = 18.5207 BTC [-] 495169;1392034066;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC 495170;1392034127;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.1325 = 0.6625 BTC [+] 495171;1392034282;davout;that didn't last long 495172;1392034451;moiety;morning campers, what nationality theme are we having today?! 495173;1392034532;davout;definitely japanese 495174;1392034546;kakobrekla;hehe 495175;1392034553;kakobrekla;i thought twas french,. 495176;1392034557;moiety;fucking excellent.. all i know is: sakana wa akai desu 495177;1392034566;moiety;french was yesterday my friend, move with the times 495178;1392034579;moiety;and why yes, the fish is red! 495179;1392034594;davout;sakana wa oiishi desu 495180;1392034599;davout;the fish is tasty 495181;1392034606;moiety;see that is more useful 495182;1392034610;punkman;あなたはgoxedてきた 495183;1392034640;moiety;is it later tell or tell later for gribbling to someone who isnt here? 495184;1392034821;davout;former 495185;1392034859;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00085712 = 13.8425 BTC [-] {2} 495186;1392034982;moiety;thanks 495187;1392035042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00085861 = 17.1722 BTC [+] 495188;1392035530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40350 @ 0.00085561 = 34.5239 BTC [-] {3} 495189;1392035653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13589 @ 0.00085462 = 11.6134 BTC [-] 495190;1392035713;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 290 @ 0.00080134 = 0.2324 BTC [-] {3} 495191;1392035775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00085503 = 25.6509 BTC [+] {3} 495192;1392036509;KRS1;Fuck, like Punkman said..this shit ain't over. 495193;1392036586;KRS1;;;tell 495194;1392036587;gribble;(tell ) -- Tells the whatever is. Use nested commands to your benefit here. 495195;1392036607;KRS1;;;tell nickbitreal nigga 495196;1392036607;gribble;Error: I haven't seen nickbitreal, I'll let you do the telling. 495197;1392036700;moiety;whats happeing KRS1? 495198;1392036711;moiety;more fun and games at gox? 495199;1392036764;davout;this will end with guns and fame... 495200;1392037055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00086204 = 21.551 BTC [+] 495201;1392037299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15633 @ 0.00085231 = 13.3242 BTC [-] 495202;1392037368;KRS1;ah nothing much 495203;1392037408;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Wmpkqen7w 495204;1392037412;ozbot;DangerDoom (Danger Mouse & MF DOOM) - Bada Bing - YouTube 495205;1392037426;KRS1;;;tell mircea_popescu You should petition the author of this photo and insist on adding mpex. http://i.imgur.com/edOnkZ2.jpg 495206;1392037426;gribble;Error: I haven't seen mircea_popescu, I'll let you do the telling. 495207;1392037429;ThickAsThieves;lolgox 495208;1392037502;ThickAsThieves;krs1 it's ;;later tell 495209;1392037726;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.19376446 = 9.6882 BTC [+] 495210;1392037971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4906 @ 0.0008612 = 4.225 BTC [+] 495211;1392038145;punkman;KRS1: fixed: http://i.imgur.com/9vPVcog.png 495212;1392038231;KRS1;HAHA good job punkman 495213;1392038238;KRS1;thx the20year 495214;1392038247;KRS1;thickasthieves hows ATC 495215;1392038296;KRS1;punkman: im going to paste that img into #mtgox 495216;1392038363;ThickAsThieves;ATC goes well, it's listed on its first shady exchange 495217;1392038488;punkman;parodycoin needs parodyexchange 495218;1392038540;ThickAsThieves;maybe jurov will market-make ATC on mpex 495219;1392038580;ThickAsThieves;or maybe Apocalyptic will list it on his, assuming he's confident in his security etc 495220;1392038588;the20year;? 495221;1392038619;ystarnaud;whats ATC? 495222;1392038629;ThickAsThieves;www.therealaltcoin.org 495223;1392038640;ystarnaud;thanks 495224;1392038722;ThickAsThieves;Gox and Bitfunder seem so similar now 495225;1392038724;Apocalyptic;ThickAsThieves, what's the shady one you're talking about ? 495226;1392038734;ThickAsThieves;https://openex.pw/index.php?page=trade&market=111 495227;1392038736;ozbot;OpenEx 495228;1392038742;ThickAsThieves;run by r3wy 495229;1392038746;ThickAsThieves;r3wt* 495230;1392038760;KRS1;haha 495231;1392038760;ThickAsThieves;apparently he has a somewhat unclean past 495232;1392038784;ThickAsThieves;ATC/BTC 0.00000157 495233;1392038826;ThickAsThieves;shouldnt be hard to beat doge 495234;1392038885;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54999999 BTC [-] 495235;1392038914;ThickAsThieves;lol @ dr greg "Due to the fun of repeatedly chasing my tail for several minutes, backing out of positions left unhedged by the BTC.sx delay, and eating the spread both at BTC.sx and at ICBIT as a result, the fund has taken a haircut of just over 2% -- enough to erase all our gains to date." 495236;1392038914;ThickAsThieves;On a personal note, I am not at all happy about this outcome." 495237;1392039068;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53510001 BTC [-] 495238;1392039141;ThickAsThieves;so basically gox is making it sound like someone maybe hacked bitcoin and double spent 495239;1392039155;ystarnaud;yeah 495240;1392039158;ystarnaud;its their own mistakes 495241;1392039166;ThickAsThieves;but really their implementation was not robust enough to work properly and they have a web to untangle 495242;1392039167;ystarnaud;they fell for a scam 495243;1392039171;ystarnaud;is more like it 495244;1392039194;ThickAsThieves;the ugly part is, they surely sold preemptively 495245;1392039204;ThickAsThieves;and buy bacl low 495246;1392039223;ThickAsThieves;http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/02/10/mt-gox-blames-bitcoin-core-developer-greg-maxwell-responds/ 495247;1392039226;ystarnaud;they didnt make their software to account for this "issue" then someone probably played them claiming their money didnt go through and they resent 495248;1392039228;ystarnaud;yep 495249;1392039251;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 95 @ 0.00546961 = 0.5196 BTC [-] {6} 495250;1392039252;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.075987 = 0.228 BTC [+] 495251;1392039259;ystarnaud;i read somewhere too that they spend/use coins that are freshly minted and don't wait for the usual 100 confirms by the blockchain 495252;1392039270;ThickAsThieves;it tx ids are malleable why rely on them for a private system? 495253;1392039285;ThickAsThieves;i saw that too 495254;1392039297;ystarnaud;yeah someone pointed out most software will instead track user/amount/timestamp 495255;1392039305;ystarnaud;and they been told apparently 495256;1392039313;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53510001 BTC [-] 495257;1392039314;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.076 = 0.456 BTC [+] 495258;1392039373;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.0054448 = 0.4574 BTC [-] {6} 495259;1392039374;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.08008735 = 0.961 BTC [+] {2} 495260;1392039415;the20year;seems they were told a while ago 495261;1392039446;the20year;Maybe they'll have to go back to trading magic cards:? 495262;1392039466;KRS1;that would kick ass 495263;1392039495;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53510001 BTC [-] 495264;1392039497;KRS1;Mark wouldn't have to be bothered with this stupid coin stuff all the time. 495265;1392039596;ystarnaud;lol 495266;1392039603;KRS1;hah love this part: examined Gox’s code to some degree, and remarked that they are using a strange “hodgepodge of technologies that are really not suitable for running an exchange.” 495267;1392039606;the20year;heh ,i guess btc touched $105 on btce 495268;1392039622;ystarnaud;:O? 495269;1392039651;ystarnaud;say what? 495270;1392039739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.08498998 = 0.17 BTC [+] 495271;1392039740;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 495272;1392039759;ThickAsThieves;bitcoin is dead, long live altcoin! 495273;1392039773;ystarnaud;haha TAT 495274;1392039800;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 751 @ 0.00079393 = 0.5962 BTC [-] {6} 495275;1392039817;davout;such blasphemy 495276;1392039837;ThickAsThieves;i actually think altcoin brings many great lessons 495277;1392039844;ThickAsThieves;even to people in this chan 495278;1392039861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.091 = 0.819 BTC [+] 495279;1392039922;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5351 = 1.0702 BTC [-] {2} 495280;1392039923;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00299124 = 0.5982 BTC [+] {9} 495281;1392040044;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53510001 = 1.0702 BTC [+] {2} 495282;1392040395;ThickAsThieves;Altcoin Having Huge Affect on Bitcoin Hashrate, Transactions Grid to Halt ~ Karpeles -- source: https://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate 495283;1392040409;ThickAsThieves;Grind* 495284;1392040471;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53510001 BTC [+] 495285;1392040532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00085387 = 19.9806 BTC [-] 495286;1392040618;davout;ThickAsThieves: lmao 495287;1392040654;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] 495288;1392040837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14744 @ 0.00085416 = 12.5937 BTC [+] 495289;1392041020;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53510001 = 1.0702 BTC [+] 495290;1392041143;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53510001 = 1.0702 BTC [+] 495291;1392041193;MisterE;sup? 495292;1392041202;MisterE;whats this channel for? 495293;1392041217;ThickAsThieves;higher learning 495294;1392041235;MisterE;graduate studies? 495295;1392041246;MisterE;wtf are you doing here you slacker? :p 495296;1392041259;MisterE;whats going on? 495297;1392041266;ThickAsThieves;? 495298;1392041275;KRS1;we trade Magic: The Gathering cards here too 495299;1392041284;MisterE;looking for some sensible chat and analysis I'm bugged out from Trollbox 495300;1392041288;KRS1;thus, assets..duh. 495301;1392041289;MisterE;oh 495302;1392041295;ThickAsThieves;well you landed in the right place 495303;1392041325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18024 @ 0.00085459 = 15.4031 BTC [+] 495304;1392041331;MisterE;I know you from around the way ThickAsThieves maybe another network? 495305;1392041335;KRS1;We have free bait. 495306;1392041336;KRS1;.bait 495307;1392041338;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6gk192gIf1qdwh13o1_500.jpg 495308;1392041339;MisterE;assbot: lol 495309;1392041364;MisterE;free fapping material? 495310;1392041378;MisterE;I like my tits natural tho 495311;1392041379;KRS1;24/7 dude. 495312;1392041389;KRS1;Then just .bait again and fap away. 495313;1392041391;KRS1;.bait 495314;1392041393;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m76y6pVx651qjn8beo1_500.jpg 495315;1392041413;KRS1;We have lasers. 495316;1392041415;MisterE;So is Cox dead yet? 495317;1392041418;ThickAsThieves;MisterE, I run ASICMINER passthroughs and some other things 495318;1392041423;MisterE;this is like BTC being rid of cancer 495319;1392041429;ThickAsThieves;i recognize your name too 495320;1392041430;KRS1;;;lasers 495321;1392041431;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 495322;1392041437;ThickAsThieves;;;roulette 495323;1392041438;gribble;*click* 495324;1392041439;MisterE;ahh ok 495325;1392041440;MisterE;;;eath 495326;1392041441;gribble;Error: "eath" is not a valid command. 495327;1392041464;MisterE;I'm regged with gribble from #bitcoin-otc 495328;1392041481;KRS1;you are definately in the right channel then 495329;1392041516;MisterE;what site has the best charts? 495330;1392041535;MisterE;bitcinwisdom? 495331;1392041541;MisterE;bitcoinwisdom? 495332;1392041564;KRS1;good chart analysis for Bitcoin can be had at tradingview.com..its easy. 495333;1392041569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00085459 = 7.6059 BTC [+] 495334;1392041583;ThickAsThieves;yeah i like bitwiz and tradingviews 495335;1392041633;MisterE;does traditional SA work with BTC? 495336;1392041669;ThickAsThieves;yesno 495337;1392041673;MisterE;haha 495338;1392041687;MisterE;thats the answer I had arrived at 495339;1392041691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43899 @ 0.00085242 = 37.4204 BTC [-] {3} 495340;1392041757;ThickAsThieves;in tradinviews, is there a way to get it to always show the date you are hovering over 495341;1392041813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3301 @ 0.00085167 = 2.8114 BTC [-] 495342;1392041813;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04540014 = 0.1362 BTC [-] 495343;1392041833;MisterE;hmm tradingview does commodities and all kinds of stuff 495344;1392041935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00085793 = 16.987 BTC [+] {3} 495345;1392042118;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 26 @ 0.02757037 = 0.7168 BTC [-] {7} 495346;1392042119;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54999999 BTC [+] 495347;1392042179;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.55 = 3.3 BTC [+] {2} 495348;1392042240;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 59 @ 0.0047799 = 0.282 BTC [+] {2} 495349;1392042423;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1010 @ 0.00019543 = 0.1974 BTC [+] {2} 495350;1392042728;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 495351;1392042850;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+] 495352;1392042911;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.55 = 2.2 BTC [+] 495353;1392043094;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+] 495354;1392043948;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00534 = 0.1335 BTC [-] {2} 495355;1392043949;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02740001 = 0.274 BTC [-] 495356;1392044059;ThickAsThieves;"Murder-for-Hire, the most sensationalistic and damning allegation of the government, was NOT a formal charge in the arraignment of Ross Ulbricht yesterday. When Ross stood up and pled “not guilty” to each indictment presented by the judge, there was no mention of murder at all. We have always known this claim was false. Now it is merely an “uncharged crime,” a component of the 495357;1392044059;ThickAsThieves;drug conspiracy charge." 495358;1392044388;MisterE;you'll see no retractions though, he's gone forever 495359;1392044421;MisterE;let them build a strong case too 495360;1392044445;MisterE;I always wondered seemed too sensationalist 495361;1392044619;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.12000001 = 0.96 BTC [-] {2} 495362;1392044802;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12000001 BTC [-] 495363;1392044863;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12 = 0.36 BTC [-] 495364;1392044886;moiety;MisterE: it's eauth command not eath to authenticate :) 495365;1392044924;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.12 = 0.96 BTC [-] 495366;1392044936;MisterE;thought to auth with gpg was eauth 495367;1392044955;MisterE;havent used it in months tho 495368;1392044965;moiety;yep it didn't work before because there was just a 'u' missing 495369;1392044986;MisterE;alright, thanks 495370;1392045019;moiety;np :) 495371;1392045681;nubbins`;morning 495372;1392045778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25350 @ 0.00085856 = 21.7645 BTC [+] 495373;1392045839;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.075 = 0.75 BTC [-] 495374;1392045999;deadweasel;"MtGox had this problem because they didn.t know about this Bitcoin property. And for most of the time transactions were not deliberately modified by anyone, so it was okay for most of the time." 495375;1392046076;the20year3;Translation "We gave away some bitcoin instead of magic cards, lolz sry k thxbye 495376;1392046083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14669 @ 0.00085845 = 12.5926 BTC [-] {2} 495377;1392046083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.077 = 0.154 BTC [+] 495378;1392046134;nubbins`;heh 495379;1392046144;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.07871428 = 0.551 BTC [+] {3} 495380;1392046145;nubbins`;anyone who has usd/btc in gox should be ashamed 495381;1392046327;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+] 495382;1392046449;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] 495383;1392046626;mod6;nubbins`: srsly. 495384;1392046775;nubbins`;http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/scientific-explanation-how-marijuana-causes-munchies-180949660/ 495385;1392046776;ozbot;A Scientific Explanation of How Marijuana Causes the Munchies | Science | Smithsonian 495386;1392047060;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.079 = 1.343 BTC [+] 495387;1392047120;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-] {3} 495388;1392047182;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0736 = 0.368 BTC [-] {3} 495389;1392047183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12909 @ 0.00085959 = 11.0964 BTC [+] 495390;1392047608;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.1212 = 1.5756 BTC [+] {2} 495391;1392047615;ThickAsThieves;http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/ Asia Nexgen? 495392;1392047618;ozbot;Bitcoin Charts / Markets 495393;1392047669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4213 @ 0.00085959 = 3.6215 BTC [+] 495394;1392047730;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 18 @ 0.19376446 = 3.4878 BTC [+] 495395;1392047788;ThickAsThieves;http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/10/carl-icahn-drops-apple-buyback-proposal/?mod=WSJBlog this guy lol 495396;1392047789;ozbot;Carl Icahn Drops Apple Buyback Proposal - MoneyBeat - WSJ 495397;1392047821;nubbins`;huh, HKD and USD 495398;1392047883;nubbins`;anxbtc.com, "YOUR MOST TRUSTED BITCOIN EXCHANGE" 495399;1392047889;nubbins`;i feel like i've heard that before... 495400;1392047911;nubbins`;ugh, "ANXPRO now supports Dogecoins!" 495401;1392047974;ThickAsThieves;lol 495402;1392047989;ThickAsThieves;http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/10/5390620/twitch-one-million-broadcasters-biggest-web-traffic 495403;1392047998;ThickAsThieves;twitch beats facebook 495404;1392048006;ThickAsThieves;america is gonna be SO fat 495405;1392048025;ThickAsThieves;legal weed, people watching people play video games, etc 495406;1392048032;KRS1;aint it great 495407;1392048050;ozbot;One million broadcasters strong, Twitch surpasses Facebook in peak traffic | The Verge 495408;1392048064;KRS1;you should see my drag car..gets 10 miles to the gallon. oh and my favorite food is cheeseburger 495409;1392048069;ThickAsThieves;Twitch even beats Hulu, they must be crying 495410;1392048089;nubbins`;TIL what twitch is 495411;1392048118;Duffer1;someone should work on getting twitch broadcasters to accept btc donation 495412;1392048132;nubbins`;maybe that someone is you! 495413;1392048165;ThickAsThieves;rally the reddites! 495414;1392048179;Duffer1;i'd love to actually, but i have nothing to donate to help them see how it works hehe 495415;1392048189;ThickAsThieves;neither do they 495416;1392048195;ThickAsThieves;but so what 495417;1392048279;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1212 = 0.3636 BTC [+] 495418;1392048301;nubbins`;kakobrekla: i just told my wife about niggers.txt 495419;1392048317;nubbins`;she was in the middle of writing a proposal that she had "temporarily" named "beat-off.doc" 495420;1392048332;nubbins`;i advised her to rename ;( 495421;1392048340;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 495422;1392048341;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00019042 = 0.3808 BTC [-] {3} 495423;1392048506;ThickAsThieves;1Enjoy1C4bYBr3tN4sMKxvvJDqG8NkdR4Z is sending random dust to me 495424;1392048523;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 495425;1392048524;ThickAsThieves;maybe it's liberated gox monety 495426;1392048632;moiety;i keep getting told "it's a thing!" but no explanation on niggers.txt 495427;1392048645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00086089 = 17.39 BTC [+] 495428;1392048652;moiety;i like how the address is 'enjoy' ThickAsThieves 495429;1392048663;nubbins`;kako accidentally sent a file to some clients with that name 495430;1392048677;moiety;ooohhh! 495431;1392048685;moiety;oh dear, how did that pan out 495432;1392048762;ThickAsThieves;it was jurov that did it i think 495433;1392048767;nubbins`;ah 495434;1392048784;nubbins`;silly euros 495435;1392048842;usaoscoin;anyone got the link to the options calculator? 495436;1392048883;ThickAsThieves;namworld had one, i dunno if he kept it up to date though 495437;1392048912;ThickAsThieves;fukn idiots http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-02-10/is-bitcoin-over-mt-dot-gox-pauses-withdrawals 495438;1392048926;mike_c;usaoscoin: this one works off the live option prices: 495439;1392048927;mike_c;http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/options/ 495440;1392048933;mike_c;but market maker is down right now.. 495441;1392048937;ozbot;Option Analysis - Btc Alpha 495442;1392048950;usaoscoin;mike_c: big thanks, exactly what I was looking for 495443;1392049011;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57999999 = 1.16 BTC [+] {2} 495444;1392049037;ThickAsThieves;the video is much less stupid than the headline 495445;1392049050;mike_c;i had some lulz yesterday reading the logs with people talking about how easy it is to get 9's on a system :) 495446;1392049072;ThickAsThieves;yesterday;s log was turture 495447;1392049078;ThickAsThieves;i ended up skimming much of it 495448;1392049086;mike_c;yes. 495449;1392049090;ThickAsThieves;torture* 495450;1392049133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8587 @ 0.00086089 = 7.3925 BTC [+] 495451;1392049153;ThickAsThieves;lol bloomberg called the iphone smashers jackasses 495452;1392049263;ThickAsThieves;guess who writes a great line like this "The news is only the latest in a nearly year-long series of shocks to hit the once seemingly unassailable exchange. " 495453;1392049290;ThickAsThieves;how is something seemingly unassailable whilst having year of shocks 495454;1392049499;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 120 @ 0.07607165 = 9.1286 BTC [-] {6} 495455;1392049508;mod6;lol bitcoinrag. 495456;1392049530;mod6;and fatass has had nohing but epic fuckups since like.. i dunno, 2010? 495457;1392049531;ThickAsThieves;i guess he does say "once" 495458;1392049546;ThickAsThieves;we are all unassailable once, after all 495459;1392049658;nubbins`;i dunno, i was raised roman catholic 495460;1392049666;nubbins`;afaik i was doomed from the start 495461;1392049926;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.07479166 = 0.8975 BTC [+] {5} 495462;1392049942;ThickAsThieves;<@gmaxwell> xiando: as far as mtgox's "proposal" having a stable-txid is handy, and sure we'll add that, in fact here is the code: https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin/commit/1173eef630783a822d9a709cfbc22ba91880231e 495463;1392049942;ThickAsThieves;<@gmaxwell> But it does not solve mtgox's problems. 495464;1392050353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00085386 = 25.9573 BTC [-] {3} 495465;1392050396;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=418 495466;1392050403;ThickAsThieves;"Contrary to Mt. Gox’s Statement, Bitcoin is not at fault" 495467;1392050409;ThickAsThieves;I winder if theyll boot them 495468;1392050414;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12000001 BTC [-] 495469;1392050457;ThickAsThieves;"There are best practices to think about and account for by those who want to build companies. " 495470;1392050467;ThickAsThieves;there are? 495471;1392050658;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.19376446 = 2.9065 BTC [+] 495472;1392050692;the20year3;With as much money as gox had coming in/going out , they should have had a full time seucrity team doing nothing but looking for weaknesses 495473;1392050780;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02740001 = 0.1096 BTC [-] 495474;1392050963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00085674 = 16.1924 BTC [+] {2} 495475;1392051146;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 24 @ 0.02612917 = 0.6271 BTC [-] {8} 495476;1392051329;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.19376446 = 0.7751 BTC [+] 495477;1392051469;diametric;lol mtgox "its bitcoins fault" 495478;1392051488;mircea_popescu;who's weeklyglobalresearch.wordpress.com ? 495479;1392051499;mircea_popescu;diametric let me guess, rettardit ? 495480;1392051519;ThickAsThieves;mtgoxit 495481;1392051545;chsados-work;has anyone been able to withdrawl btc from btc-e yet? 495482;1392051569;ThickAsThieves;they have issues too? 495483;1392051573;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.24028439 BTC to 1`293 shares, 95923 satoshi per share 495484;1392051595;mircea_popescu;the funny thing is, of course, that 495485;1392051596;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291274.msg3118741#msg3118741 495486;1392051598;ozbot;Hey Activeminers? You won't make your investment back. 495487;1392051615;punkman;btc-e goxed themselves too? 495488;1392051627;mircea_popescu;punkman they're being run upon. 495489;1392051669;ThickAsThieves;i have some altcoins there, that's about it 495490;1392051673;mircea_popescu;chsados-work very few people here actually traded there, afaik. but they seem to be having some sort of problem 495491;1392051756;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 115 @ 0.0055 = 0.6325 BTC 495492;1392051871;ThickAsThieves;CoinDesk Removes Mt. Gox from Bitcoin Price Index 495493;1392051876;ThickAsThieves;it's happening! 495494;1392051957;mircea_popescu;ah this is so sweet. 495495;1392051962;mircea_popescu;definitely sweeter than the glbse thing. 495496;1392051995;mike_c;bitcoinaverage had a button to remove gox price from inception. can't wait for them to die, it will be better than SR dying. 495497;1392052032;mircea_popescu;anyone know the beauty and wonder that is mincemeat pie ? 495498;1392052051;ThickAsThieves;never had it whilst a carnivore 495499;1392052082;mircea_popescu;it's like lobster : so good it's illegal in some jurisdictions 495500;1392052153;joecool;and to think, lobster used to be poor man's food 495501;1392052201;mircea_popescu;so did this 495502;1392052207;mircea_popescu;well, technically, heretic's food 495503;1392052256;mircea_popescu;meat and fruit is an eastern combo, seeing how they had little choice in many places : either eat the figs or eat no veggies. 495504;1392052279;ThickAsThieves;the only seabugs i ever brang myself to eat were shrimp and perriwinkles 495505;1392052294;mircea_popescu;no lobster, ssly ? 495506;1392052297;ThickAsThieves;never 495507;1392052305;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.076 = 0.152 BTC [+] 495508;1392052306;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.119 = 0.238 BTC [-] 495509;1392052319;ThickAsThieves;the smell makes me not hungry 495510;1392052324;ThickAsThieves;and scallops make me ill 495511;1392052328;ThickAsThieves;just the smell 495512;1392052549;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00280185 = 0.2522 BTC [-] {6} 495513;1392052551;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 495514;1392052733;deadweasel;roaches of the sea. i tried lobster again sicne I'm in Maine, but still, no stars, no amazing flavour, nothing. just sea cockroach meat. 495515;1392052733;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 495516;1392052762;deadweasel;marketing 495517;1392052864;ThickAsThieves;might be a taste bud, olefactory genetic thing 495518;1392052887;ThickAsThieves;also your brain is way smarter then you when it comes to cravings 495519;1392052915;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 422 @ 0.00079109 = 0.3338 BTC [-] {6} 495520;1392052976;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 422 @ 0.00078913 = 0.333 BTC [-] {4} 495521;1392053037;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2451 @ 0.00077295 = 1.8945 BTC [-] {7} 495522;1392053098;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.07733333 = 0.232 BTC [+] {3} 495523;1392053160;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1004 @ 0.0007 = 0.7028 BTC [-] {3} 495524;1392053221;mircea_popescu;scallops are iffy in that they're really no good preserved 495525;1392053234;mircea_popescu;fresh from the hands of a greek chick i nthe water... diff story. 495526;1392053275;mircea_popescu;deadweasel that's the problem with you wisconsin goodfolk. you obviously lack some of the tastebuds 495527;1392053281;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 407 @ 0.0007 = 0.2849 BTC [+] {2} 495528;1392053587;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.0055 = 0.352 BTC [+] 495529;1392053754;deadweasel;actualloy, the scallops I had in greece were excellent, I forgot about those. 495530;1392053767;deadweasel;actual alloy, the most real metal of our time. 495531;1392053772;mircea_popescu;lol 495532;1392053794;mircea_popescu;i tell you, you're having paint in painted containers and think o i don't like lobster/scallops/etc 495533;1392053801;mircea_popescu;tis not true. 495534;1392053807;ThickAsThieves;i enjoyed the olives in Cyprus 495535;1392053828;mircea_popescu;i tried once octopus in oil in some can 495536;1392053833;mircea_popescu;i nearly lost it 495537;1392053845;deadweasel;mircea_popescu: you're probaly right. the fresh shrimp aren't so bad, but I'll always prefer a grassfed beef cow. 495538;1392053846;mircea_popescu;that thing was the most objectionable piece of well used tyre 495539;1392053876;mircea_popescu;deadweasel the difference being chiefly that you know the people who serve the prime beef, but not the others 495540;1392053884;deadweasel;ha, yes, fresh octo is excellent! spear fished some in greece at breakfast time, at them at lunch 495541;1392053894;punkman;there's this restaurant in Barcelona that only serves food out of cans 495542;1392053903;deadweasel;it's true, I get my beef from a local farmer, it's not gray, it's actually Red! 495543;1392053917;mircea_popescu;yeah. gray meat wtf is that. 495544;1392053937;deadweasel;my body says no.. tried to eat store bought bacon this weekend, one bite, pitched it all in the garbage. 495545;1392053965;mircea_popescu;punkman you mean they cook already opened cans or do you mean they offer a selection of stuff like canned tennis balls etc ? 495546;1392053988;punkman;no mostly just open it, dump it on a plate and serve 495547;1392053989;mircea_popescu;deadweasel "oh, beef is horrible, tastes like bugs to me" derp 495548;1392054018;punkman;the canned goods sections in Spanish supermarkets are huge, they just love the stuff 495549;1392054039;mircea_popescu;some stuff is actually better canned 495550;1392054040;deadweasel;lol, i see what you did there. 495551;1392054042;mircea_popescu;corned beef say 495552;1392054048;deadweasel;^ nom 495553;1392054062;benkay;;;lasers 495554;1392054062;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 495555;1392054085;punkman;fish in sauce in a can always tastes awful for me 495556;1392054092;mircea_popescu;jesus god 495557;1392054143;mircea_popescu;lol i just had this idea for a short. typical airline interior, superhot stewardess, seamed stockings 495558;1392054152;mircea_popescu;suddenly she opens the hatch, pulls out a fishing cane 495559;1392054159;mircea_popescu;casts in the ocean 495560;1392054165;mircea_popescu;gotta prepare the lunch... 495561;1392054185;mircea_popescu;prolly decent ad for some airline somewhere 495562;1392054202;punkman;deadweasel, catching an octopus is just a great way to start the day 495563;1392054224;mircea_popescu;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086034/ 495564;1392054226;ozbot;Octopussy (1983) - IMDb 495565;1392054230;mircea_popescu;^ great way to end the day 495566;1392054297;punkman;I'm gonna make some octopus stew tomorrow, maybe blog the recipe 495567;1392054350;mircea_popescu;you got a blog ? 495568;1392054374;punkman;not a recent one 495569;1392054403;punkman;but I gotta start writing again, maybe recipes will get me in the mood 495570;1392054405;mircea_popescu;a 495571;1392054707;mircea_popescu;also there are a bunch of terrines which you pretty much prefer canned... 495572;1392054722;mircea_popescu;and there's all the various caviar etc. 495573;1392054730;mircea_popescu;i guess you could run quite a kickass restaurant on cans only 495574;1392054775;punkman;mircea_popescu: they got pretty good reviews, http://www.yelp.com/biz/quimet-and-quimet-barcelona 495575;1392054781;jcpham;thankfully mtgox is here to save us from this whole bitcoin fuckup 495576;1392054793;mircea_popescu;lol 495577;1392054801;mircea_popescu;just like last time right ? 495578;1392054806;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 64 @ 0.0055 = 0.352 BTC 495579;1392054821;jcpham;good 'ol bestgox to save the day 495580;1392054827;mircea_popescu;"Carrer del Poeta Cabanyes, 25" 495581;1392054836;mircea_popescu;dude that's a fucking address. why can't i have an address like that. 495582;1392054873;mircea_popescu;"i live at 19, the career of the herpyderp poet". sounds like it's from the adventures of knownot 495583;1392054920;joecool;"i live in a cardboard box down the street next to the guy who lives in a shoe" 495584;1392054920;joecool;etc 495585;1392054956;joecool;US census still has a "draw a picture of your address" section 495586;1392054961;mircea_popescu;(nikolai nosov book, neznaika) 495587;1392054989;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00019262 = 0.1926 BTC [+] {3} 495588;1392055050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.0008585 = 15.6247 BTC [+] 495589;1392055111;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 273 @ 0.0055 = 1.5015 BTC 495590;1392055112;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] 495591;1392055599;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81019 @ 0.00086015 = 69.6885 BTC [+] {5} 495592;1392055782;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.047 = 0.47 BTC [-] 495593;1392055795;mircea_popescu;okay, the first to name a 90 year old blind general that took part in actual field hostilities gets 1000 ALTs 495594;1392056088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00085747 = 17.4066 BTC [-] 495595;1392056140;kakobrekla;mark karpeles 495596;1392056209;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+] 495597;1392056266;mircea_popescu;haha 495598;1392056453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00085997 = 22.4452 BTC [+] {2} 495599;1392056697;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.55600014 = 1.668 BTC [-] {2} 495600;1392056698;Mats_cd03;'murican robert lee? 495601;1392056733;ThickAsThieves;William "Billy" Guste Jr. 495602;1392056776;ThickAsThieves;wait he wasnt blind 495603;1392056778;ThickAsThieves;lol 495604;1392056810;ThickAsThieves;was trying to find an old attorney general 495605;1392057185;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 900 @ 0.000195 = 0.1755 BTC [+] 495606;1392057186;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.047 = 0.282 BTC [-] 495607;1392057209;ThickAsThieves;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbNmL6hSNKw#t=22 495608;1392057212;ozbot;Fish on Wheels - YouTube 495609;1392057331;mike_c;find/replace with 13,000 hits: sublime text ran for 15 minutes before i killed it. sed took < 1 second. 495610;1392057612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9364 @ 0.00085772 = 8.0317 BTC [-] 495611;1392057665;punkman;mice_c, old age and treachery 495612;1392057731;ThickAsThieves;http://www.sigmalive.com/inbusiness/news/services/99911 495613;1392057846;wao-ender;mike_c: do it in haskell! 495614;1392057894;mike_c;sed is probably written in haskell. much speed. 495615;1392058170;mod6;mircea_popescu: was it Enrico Dandolo? 495616;1392058181;mod6;From the 4th Crusade? 495617;1392058238;ThickAsThieves;http://www.philenews.com/el-gr/oikonomia-kypros/146/184665/apantisi-tou-ds-tis-etaireias-neo-anaforika-me-anakoinosi-tis-kentrikis-trapezas 495618;1392058244;Mats_cd03;yeah thats it 495619;1392058517;Mats_cd03;now mod6 can retire to a private island 495620;1392058588;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 155 @ 0.0055 = 0.8525 BTC 495621;1392058607;punkman;ThickAsThieves: they aren't saying much, http://www.centralbank.gov.cy/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=13239 495622;1392058710;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 24 @ 0.0055 = 0.132 BTC 495623;1392058830;mircea_popescu;mod6 wd! 495624;1392058838;mircea_popescu;post an addy will you 495625;1392058839;mod6;\o/ ty, Sir. 495626;1392058845;mod6;Sure thing 495627;1392058859;mod6;1G34X8K9LYsZMn4dQ4e7HFe5V127zV6Ln6 495628;1392058862;kakobrekla;just keep it at pankakaes wallet 495629;1392058864;kakobrekla;bah 495630;1392058880;mircea_popescu;1G34X8K9LYsZMn4dQ4e7HFe5V127zV6Ln6 pankkake pls to pay 1k atc 495631;1392058890;mod6;tyvm :D 495632;1392058891;mircea_popescu;this was fun. 495633;1392058895;mod6;*nod* 495634;1392058899;nubbins`;mincemeat pie 495635;1392058910;nubbins`;closest i've had is shepherd's pie, which i suspect is not the same at all 495636;1392058915;nubbins`;mince pies have pastry tops, yes? 495637;1392058927;kakobrekla;if everyone uses pankake we dont even need blockchain at all 495638;1392058933;kakobrekla;that would be a real revolution i saa 495639;1392058936;kakobrekla;say 495640;1392058949;mircea_popescu;nubbins` yep 495641;1392058958;mircea_popescu;the rape of the pankkake ? 495642;1392058958;kakobrekla;save on hashpower and hdds 495643;1392058958;mike_c;a centralized altcoin. there's an innovation for you. 495644;1392058997;mike_c;the blockchain is log.bitcoin-assets.com 495645;1392059015;nubbins`;speaking of seafood 495646;1392059022;nubbins`;cuttlefish jerky was big in korea 495647;1392059027;nubbins`;i developed a fondness for it 495648;1392059035;nubbins`;served with hot mayonnaise, natch 495649;1392059044;kakobrekla;lol true dat mike 495650;1392059066;kakobrekla;might have to shut it down now! 495651;1392059259;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0055 = 0.1925 BTC 495652;1392059271;mjr_;so... 495653;1392059276;mjr_;is gox finally dead 495654;1392059277;mjr_;? 495655;1392059296;kakobrekla;yeah they self killed themselfs 495656;1392059313;nubbins`;ehh, it's been dead for a while. still coughs up blood every now and again tho 495657;1392059352;kakobrekla;its been dead yea, bit people want to belie 495658;1392059364;kakobrekla;believe 495659;1392059400;kakobrekla;dammit, but people want to believe, is what i meant to say 495660;1392059418;nubbins`;heh 495661;1392059418;nubbins`;bit people do as well 495662;1392059486;deadweasel;pankkakechain 495663;1392059503;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00544001 = 0.1034 BTC [-] 495664;1392059521;deadweasel;sounds like a sex act of dubious value 495665;1392059681;mircea_popescu;<nubbins`> ehh, it's been dead for a while. still coughs up blood every now and again tho << 495666;1392059690;mircea_popescu;you should see the fucktarded "press". 495667;1392059693;mircea_popescu;"bitcoin defaults" 495668;1392059752;deadweasel;lol at comment: This is surprising. 495669;1392059755;deadweasel;So a guy who calls himself "Magical Tux" and describes himself as "PHP Developer working on some weird stuff, like a mail server (POP3/IMAP4/SMTP) written in PHP" was not able to build a reliable worldwide exchange? 495670;1392059764;nubbins`;HEH 495671;1392059766;nubbins`;"weird stuff" 495672;1392059769;Duffer1;http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/176341-mt-gox-tries-to-pin-its-own-incompetence-on-bitcoin-bug 495673;1392059772;ozbot;Mt. Gox tries to pin its own incompetence on Bitcoin bug | ExtremeTech 495674;1392059773;Duffer1;hurray for extremetech 495675;1392059781;asciilifeform;so 'gox == btc' is still being farted out by Fucktard Press 495676;1392059803;deadweasel;!b1 495677;1392059812;deadweasel;fuckit 495678;1392059814;deadweasel;;;fuckit 495679;1392059814;gribble;Error: "fuckit" is not a valid command. 495680;1392059815;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform will be for a while 495681;1392059830;nubbins`;Fucktard Press, Inc. 495682;1392059837;mircea_popescu;glbse = finance had been the rallying cry of the walking dead all through 2012 495683;1392059858;asciilifeform;prediction: a 'new, exciting' replacement, similar to gox circa 2012, will be inserted in its place 495684;1392059877;asciilifeform;once Fucktard Finance, Inc. cranks one out 495685;1392059909;nubbins`;a division of Fucktard Global 495686;1392059921;mircea_popescu;no wai, yo uthink ?! 495687;1392059985;asciilifeform;can't wait to see what other 'bugs' in the protocol 'must be fixed!' before 'our children and the homeland are safe' 495688;1392060039;asciilifeform;puzzle: why is gox not involved with alt-scams? i thought this was 'mandatory' for Fucktard Finance Inc. now. 495689;1392060072;deadweasel;did they ever implement litcoin?? Their saying they 'might' is involvment with altscams. 495690;1392060085;diametric;they did not 495691;1392060119;mike_c;hehe. fucktard press quotes could be as good as coinion. "bitcoin fatal flaw: transactions can't be reversed" 495692;1392060133;mike_c;http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/11/once-you-use-bitcoin-you-cant-go-back-and-that-irreversibility-is-its-fatal-flaw/ 495693;1392060134;Duffer1;lol 495694;1392060134;ozbot;Once You Use Bitcoin You Can't Go 'Back' — And That's Its Fatal Flaw | Wired Opinion | Wired.com 495695;1392060135;asciilifeform;it is quite odd that gox never rolled out 'goxcoin' 495696;1392060142;diametric;At least some people seem to see through mtgox's bullshit 495697;1392060201;nubbins`;asciilifeform, i groan at the number of exchanges that support altscams 495698;1392060205;kakobrekla;http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/suicide-bomber-kills-suicide-bomers 495699;1392060207;ozbot;Suicide Bomber Instructor Blows Up Suicide Bombers-In-Training 495700;1392060208;nubbins`;"hey a new canadian exchange! great!" 495701;1392060213;nubbins`;"...oh, they support doge" 495702;1392060230;mircea_popescu;mike_c they been running that shit since about 2012 495703;1392060238;mircea_popescu;something awful's talking points. 495704;1392060275;mircea_popescu;diametric from the get-go the entire scamset (mtgox and bfl and pirate and etc) were working together under the guise of the foundation thing. 495705;1392060301;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'bitcoin magazine' gang? 495706;1392060302;mircea_popescu;not particularly accidental that they vouched for the bfl scam, not happenstance that they still are covering for vessenes' frauds 495707;1392060309;nubbins`;i tell ya, the time is ripe for the Bitcoin Authority to rear its head 495708;1392060311;mircea_popescu;not coincidental that they're trying to cover for gox now. 495709;1392060319;nubbins`;shrem, karpopopopopolel, etc 495710;1392060320;mircea_popescu;and not at all unrelated to how we just ain't friends. 495711;1392060326;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform myea. 495712;1392060400;asciilifeform;if these folks had half a brain, they'd be pushing the 'altscam to rule them all' about now. 495713;1392060409;mircea_popescu;now and again i take one of their guys, send him flying through three sheets of frozen glass, distribute the photos. it's really a lot of fun. 495714;1392060430;asciilifeform;complete with master keys (bonus if hidden), artificial infusions of fiat to pump up 'value', collaboration with governments... 495715;1392060431;jurov;who tf names their company coinsulting? 495716;1392060442;mircea_popescu;jurov ahaha they done got your nigger.txt one better 495717;1392060447;nubbins`;co-insulting 495718;1392060449;jurov;just got borderline lulzy spam from them 495719;1392060455;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they be kids. 495720;1392060461;jurov;Our firm Coinsulting Ltd. is first Crypto consulting agency specializing on compliance services for Bitcoin businesses. We advise our clients how to do their business legally all around the world. On March 22nd 2014, we are organizing a Bitcoin event in Shanghai, China called BTCrisis conference. 495721;1392060467;asciilifeform;'expertSexchange' 495722;1392060473;nubbins`;heh 495723;1392060491;mircea_popescu;jurov conveniently omitting to name any of those clients which they advised 495724;1392060495;nubbins`;i dunno 495725;1392060497;nubbins`;http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/gox-screen.jpg 495726;1392060502;mircea_popescu;was it what, bitfunder ? mtgox ? coinwhateveritwas ? 495727;1392060506;nubbins`;you trust a guy who sits on one of those, you deserve what you get 495728;1392060526;mircea_popescu;nubbins` when you're fat and you dork with computers a lot your lower back suffers. 495729;1392060545;nubbins`;sure, so stand up 495730;1392060571;nubbins`;you can tell he's forced the other guy to sit on one, too 495731;1392060571;asciilifeform;that rubber ball isn't a medical cure, it's a 'silicon valley' fucktard inc. 'dog whistle' signal. 495732;1392060585;nubbins`;"take a seat" 495733;1392060593;jurov;If you are interested in becoming a Coinsultant, this is a right time for you. Coinsulting family is growing same as Crypto Currencies do. In case you consider yourself being the right one, please send us your CV at careers@coinsulting.net 495734;1392060593;nubbins`;balls everywhere 495735;1392060597;jurov;hahahahaha 495736;1392060610;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it forces you to constantly adjust your vertical. it helps. 495737;1392060617;asciilifeform;wonder if andreesen horowitz (or whoever) actually issues those balls... 495738;1392060641;mircea_popescu;they probably have an approved brand 495739;1392060649;asciilifeform;i imagine it came out of somewhere quasi-rational, sure. but it seems to have this other purpose now, as well. 495740;1392060649;jurov;prolly i'll advise to rename themselves to coinslutants 495741;1392060676;benkay;sitting on a ball isn't going to fix the health problem of being obese. 495742;1392060679;nubbins`;^ 495743;1392060680;nubbins`;heh 495744;1392060688;wao-ender;coinsluts, right. 495745;1392060693;nubbins`;how he'll die young with good posture 495746;1392060694;benkay;fuckin priorities do you got 'em? 495747;1392060695;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no argument, more dogwhistle than anything by now 495748;1392060709;benkay;FUKKEN PRIORITIES!!!@1! 495749;1392060710;mircea_popescu;benkay i never fucked Priorities, no. is she hawt ? 495750;1392060718;nubbins`;hot, but always busy 495751;1392060724;mircea_popescu;mwh. 495752;1392060730;asciilifeform;eventually the ball will go out of fashion, and they will move to those treadmill-plus-laptop gadgets or somesuch. 495753;1392060745;KRS1;.bait 495754;1392060747;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6gk192gIf1qdwh13o1_500.jpg 495755;1392060772;KRS1;I think I've seen all of these...moar plz. 495756;1392060797;asciilifeform;any 'teledildonics' experts here? what's the state-of-the-art in exercise-powered diddling machines 495757;1392060802;nubbins`;;;ud mwh 495758;1392060803;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=MWH+yo | ... home Nolifing WoW. mark as favorite buy nolifing mugs & shirts · computer games 1337 video speak by MWH yo January 31, 2009 add a video add an image ... 495759;1392060805;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: Author MWH yo 495760;1392060831;nubbins`;asciilifeform, using a laptop on a treadmill is brutal 495761;1392060864;asciilifeform;nubbins`: could be made to work. 'chording keyboard' in the handlebars. 495762;1392060878;nubbins`;there ya go 495763;1392060903;kakobrekla;and move mouse with your dick 495764;1392060904;nubbins`;the whole "laptop tray across the bars" thing doesn't work 495765;1392060909;nubbins`;no arm support 495766;1392060914;nubbins`;bad for your neck too 495767;1392060940;mircea_popescu;nubbins` but what if you were solidly anchored in a 9 inch solid steel 495768;1392060941;mircea_popescu;buttplug ? 495769;1392060950;asciilifeform;ocular in place of laptop screen. 495770;1392060959;nubbins`;then you better not stop walking :D 495771;1392060961;mircea_popescu;could even have the error ding as a vibration 495772;1392060972;benkay;i want my display on one six-axis arm, and my kb on another. then i want the controller to optimize positioning of kb and monitor indpendently to optimize my posture. 495773;1392060979;benkay;and i want this thing to follow me everywhere. 495774;1392060989;mircea_popescu;and i want to shoot benkay 495775;1392060996;benkay;outta mah FACE 495776;1392061002;mircea_popescu;shot shot 495777;1392061004;mircea_popescu;in da butt 495778;1392061014;benkay;go home mircea_popescu you're drunk 495779;1392061036;mircea_popescu;drunk@home 495780;1392061039;mircea_popescu;should be a tumblr 495781;1392061049;nubbins`;distributed drinking 495782;1392061119;pankkake;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2014#495235 looks like everything he uses turns out to be a scam 495783;1392061123;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 495784;1392061130;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/canadian-shot-in-dominican-republic-as-manitoba-students-watch-1.2519822 495785;1392061132;ozbot;Canadian shot in Dominican Republic as Manitoba students watch - Manitoba - CBC News 495786;1392061141;pankkake;also, ATC sent to mod6 495787;1392061152;nubbins`;guy gets shot NINE TIMES while cracking heads 495788;1392061183;the20year3;https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Apo1scQacB7XdHd3UVh5MlhtUU1DY1ZlUEVDNG04d0E&usp=sharing 495789;1392061185;ozbot;Google Drive 495790;1392061215;mircea_popescu;pankkake some peeps are lucky like that 495791;1392061224;mircea_popescu;you can usually recognise them by how they rant @mpoe-pr 495792;1392061228;mircea_popescu;and ty. 495793;1392061258;mod6;thx pankkake! 495794;1392061276;pankkake;http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2014/02/10/why-mtgox-is-full-of-shit/ 495795;1392061277;ozbot;Why Mt. Gox is full of shit - joepie91's Ramblings 495796;1392061307;pankkake;interesting, blaming Bitcoin, like bitfunder 495797;1392061324;mircea_popescu;derp. 495798;1392061334;asciilifeform;the otherwise-inconsequential 'tx id' shenanigans: is that how satoshidice was pwned? 495799;1392061346;mircea_popescu;inb4 karpeles comes out in march with a "well we can't say anything but not even bitfunder said anything yet so" 495800;1392061355;asciilifeform;(if i recall, they fed their PRNG tx id for a seed) 495801;1392061357;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform was sd pwned ? 495802;1392061377;the20year3;Who's running a scam? 495803;1392061380;asciilifeform;pwned in the sense of certain people taking home astronomically-improbable winnings 495804;1392061387;nubbins`;the20year3, almost everyone 495805;1392061388;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, you're right 495806;1392061390;mircea_popescu;not quite afaik 495807;1392061395;the20year3;is this TAT's fund or someone else's? 495808;1392061416;mircea_popescu;the20year3 follow the link eh. it's some greg guy on the forum 495809;1392061482;wao-ender;v0v, so, gox is out of business by delisting from price trackers, imma right? 495810;1392061508;diametric;gox will live on as people trade non-existent bitcoins internal to their platform. 495811;1392061513;mircea_popescu;wao-ender end of the road for them yea 495812;1392061531;mircea_popescu;in a sense they had been slowly being decoupled from btc economy since april 2013. 495813;1392061542;wao-ender;end of line (c) Tron. 495814;1392061543;mircea_popescu;it was well managed in that the eventual final shock surprised/shocked no one 495815;1392061548;asciilifeform;they'll simply 'repay' their chumps in 'goxcoin', as soon as mr. k gets gcc working on his box. 495816;1392061557;wao-ender;yeah, also I was well played, controlled implosion. 495817;1392061563;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can you even compile gcc in php ? 495818;1392061598;asciilifeform;they'll use that online 'alcoin generator', as soon as it gets a '100% premined' ticky-box in the menu. 495819;1392061628;Dimsler_;karples that fat fucking nerd 495820;1392061637;Dimsler_;can't way till hes out of the fucking picture 495821;1392061644;asciilifeform;'ponzigen.com' ? 495822;1392061672;asciilifeform;or, for the techno-trendiness points, 'mkponzi' 495823;1392061756;asciilifeform;for extra fee, will pump (and dump) automagically... 495824;1392061783;wao-ender;these guys http://cryptortrust.com/ looks like scam to me. Do someone know them? 495825;1392061819;mircea_popescu;nop 495826;1392061844;twizt;wao-ender: 495827;1392061845;pankkake;Cryptor Trust Inc. ‘s <- can't use correct typography, scam 495828;1392061860;twizt;do u trust ur own financial advisor 495829;1392061861;twizt;? 495830;1392062080;jurov;in coinslutants we trust 495831;1392062126;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.047 = 0.658 BTC [-] 495832;1392062171;benkay;in sluts we trust. 495833;1392062187;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04897954 = 0.2939 BTC [+] {2} 495834;1392062401;ThickAsThieves; is this TAT's fund or someone else's? ---- it was referring to Dr Greg 495835;1392062416;deadweasel;;;getrating slut-trust 495836;1392062416;gribble;Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating 495837;1392062467;ThickAsThieves;i'm no longer destitute 495838;1392062470;ThickAsThieves;i haz ATCs 495839;1392062547;deadweasel;not destitute, prostitute 495840;1392062563;ThickAsThieves;"The only way to quickly buy bitcoins requires cash: a consuming, hastle-prone step." how you know an article is garbage 495841;1392062583;pankkake;;;ud slut 495842;1392062583;pankkake;uh. 495843;1392062583;pankkake;well it would have shown "a woman with the morals of a man" 495844;1392062610;ThickAsThieves;"Even at a 10 billion dollar market cap — the peak achieved by Beanie Babies in 1999 — bitcoin is almost irrelevant in financial terms." 495845;1392062626;pankkake;"Someone who provides a very needed service for the community" 495846;1392062693;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves who's that ? 495847;1392062715;ThickAsThieves;Wired 495848;1392062722;mircea_popescu;i need a name. 495849;1392062725;ThickAsThieves;sec 495850;1392062727;mircea_popescu;for my little black book. 495851;1392062745;asciilifeform;pederasts.txt ? 495852;1392062746;pankkake;you might want to do a whilelist instead 495853;1392062760;ThickAsThieves;@NCWeaver 495854;1392062762;mircea_popescu;nicholas Weaver 495855;1392062769;mircea_popescu;pankkake but i don't. 495856;1392062779;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, just preparing the workrolls for the uranium mines of the future. 495857;1392062782;ThickAsThieves;wot does that 495858;1392062805;mircea_popescu;kiddos born in the "you can do anything" utopia have little idea just how much impact deeds and misdeeds actually have on their own future. 495859;1392062815;asciilifeform;aha. plenty of yellow mud left at Butugichag for these folks. 495860;1392062858;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00298729 = 0.4182 BTC [+] {3} 495861;1392062859;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 16 @ 0.02501001 = 0.4002 BTC [-] {3} 495862;1392062920;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.557 BTC [+] 495863;1392062947;benkay;yikes. 495864;1392063064;the20year3;I haven't read much on dr greg 495865;1392063075;ThickAsThieves;he says a lot of words when he talk 495866;1392063077;ThickAsThieves;s 495867;1392063101;ThickAsThieves;he's probably Deprived when sober 495868;1392063102;the20year3;In my brother's short 15 minute conversation with DHL ,the rep/head sure did seem to understand the massive benefit to acceptance 495869;1392063163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13513 @ 0.00086072 = 11.6309 BTC [+] 495870;1392063235;mircea_popescu;generally it's not that they don't understand the benefits of acceptance. 495871;1392063242;moiety;evenin' 495872;1392063243;mircea_popescu;generally it's that they don't understand the benefits of submission 495873;1392063260;mircea_popescu;they can't put up with the notion that much smarter, much better people are there to lead them, so they end up with issues such as starting alt coins, 495874;1392063265;mircea_popescu;"waiting for adoption" 495875;1392063267;mircea_popescu;etc etc. 495876;1392063368;mircea_popescu;moiety heya 495877;1392063432;benkay;o/ moiety 495878;1392063560;moiety;how are we all and am i speaking in the correct language today? 495879;1392063616;mircea_popescu;ja je bent 495880;1392063639;davout;spreek jij ook nu nederlands heh? 495881;1392063655;davout;leuk 495882;1392063660;mircea_popescu;een beetje :D 495883;1392063668;mike_c;damn, JD investors kicking ass last few months. nov/dec/jan returns are 4%, 5.2%, 6.5% 495884;1392063680;mircea_popescu;.jd 495885;1392063685;pankkake;!jd 495886;1392063706;assbot;Just-Dice stat: 0 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 0.00 mio bets, 0.00 mio BTC wagered 495887;1392063706;Duffer1;nokawa stop gambling? 495888;1392063706;mircea_popescu;a ok 495889;1392063706;pankkake;I think so 495890;1392063710;mircea_popescu;derp 495891;1392063717;mircea_popescu;mike_c did it reach ev yet or notrly ? 495892;1392063737;pankkake;Doge-Dice looks even more profitable than Just-Dice though :p 495893;1392063744;mike_c;it's been tracking pretty closely last few months 495894;1392063745;mike_c;https://bitcoinproject.net/justdice.php 495895;1392063762;mircea_popescu;arguably the jd risk is actually > mpbond risk 495896;1392063801;mircea_popescu;then again i guess arguably the reverse is true too 495897;1392063803;mike_c;hm. how would you argue that? :) 495898;1392063865;mircea_popescu;which of the two ? 495899;1392063891;mike_c;jd risk > mpbor risk 495900;1392063904;mike_c;i know how to quantify jd risk. mpbor i'm still floundering a bit.. 495901;1392063906;mircea_popescu;jd bot takes 1% margin. mpbot takes significantly more., 495902;1392063938;mjr_;mircea_popescu: i just saw you have a euro future, nice 495903;1392063948;mjr_;was wondering what the index was for options now 495904;1392063949;nubbins`;i had a dream that i visited romania last night 495905;1392063955;nubbins`;very nice country, lots of red roofs 495906;1392063966;mircea_popescu;mjr_ same as always, bitcoincahrts 495907;1392063970;mike_c;that's only one piece of the risk though, volatility on mpbor is so unpredictable. 495908;1392063972;mircea_popescu;nubbins` there are. 495909;1392063978;mjr_;mircea_popescu: does that include gox then? 495910;1392063979;davout;mircea_popescu: i'd argue it's easier to measure the risk on something random, uniformly distributed than on something chaotic 495911;1392063980;mircea_popescu;mike_c i did say "arguably" did i 495912;1392063984;mike_c;yes 495913;1392063993;mircea_popescu;davout how do you know it's uniformly distributed in the first place ? 495914;1392064018;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.118 BTC [-] 495915;1392064019;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 495916;1392064020;mircea_popescu;mjr_ not anymore afaik 495917;1392064024;davout;the JD rolls 495918;1392064029;mircea_popescu;yes, the jd rolls. 495919;1392064036;davout;aren't they? 495920;1392064039;moiety;Ik moet deze taal kennen. Ik ben geboren in Nederland. nokawa is the whale high roller man right? 495921;1392064045;mircea_popescu;that's not the point lol. how do you know they are ? 495922;1392064046;mike_c;but the risk on JD is all about the whales 495923;1392064052;mike_c;and they are not uniformly distributed 495924;1392064054;davout;moiety: waar in nederland ? 495925;1392064061;davout;mircea_popescu: because of the way it's computed 495926;1392064069;mircea_popescu;what, a wizard did it ? 495927;1392064072;mircea_popescu;either show it or don't show it. 495928;1392064098;mike_c;but rolls != volatility. rolls being uniformly distributed does not mean returns will be predictable. 495929;1392064123;kakobrekla;!jd 495930;1392064124;assbot;Just-Dice stat: 13119 BTC profit, 40.1k BTC invested, 611.46 mio bets, 4.97 mio BTC wagered 495931;1392064126;mircea_popescu;mike_c even sidestepping the whale issue. who told you that the way they compute is actually uniformly distributed ? 495932;1392064144;mircea_popescu;whoa that's awful, -70% ? 495933;1392064157;mircea_popescu;;;calc 13119 / 49700 495934;1392064160;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.119 BTC [+] 495935;1392064161;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 495936;1392064175;mike_c;the only concern for an investor would be that their computation method has an exploitable flaw 495937;1392064187;davout;what i'm trying to say is that the returns on JD are based on something random, on which you can use statistics to infer stuff, on the other hand, market prices are not random, but chaotic, hence it not being comparable 495938;1392064191;mike_c;that is greater than 1% edge. 495939;1392064199;mjr_;still looks like mt gox is part of bitcoincharts 495940;1392064204;mjr_;but i haven't verified it yet 495941;1392064204;mircea_popescu;davout just because something is based on something random you can't actually proclaim it uniform tho 495942;1392064219;mircea_popescu;f(x) = x + rnd(x) is based on something random and quite biased 495943;1392064220;mjr_;its listed under USD markets... 495944;1392064221;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.55092307 = 7.162 BTC [-] {5} 495945;1392064232;davout;the distribution is irrelavant, what i'm saying is that there is one 495946;1392064241;mircea_popescu;ok so there is one. 495947;1392064253;davout;whereas on chaotic values there is no distribution, no mean, no standard deviation etc 495948;1392064257;mircea_popescu;>< 495949;1392064262;mircea_popescu;what are you, like new ? 495950;1392064303;davout;talk to me like i'm five, or a golden retriever for that matter 495951;1392064307;mircea_popescu;any set has a mean. 495952;1392064319;davout;any finite set has a mean 495953;1392064324;mircea_popescu;once it has a mean, any element of that set has a sdev 495954;1392064337;mircea_popescu;what, you're proposing jd is working on infinite sets ? 495955;1392064364;davout;no, i'm saying there are fundamental differences in random values, and chaotic values 495956;1392064377;davout;s/in/between/ 495957;1392064378;mircea_popescu;such as ? 495958;1392064397;jurov;jd game will always be between 1 and 65565 495959;1392064403;jurov;whereas bitcoin price ? 495960;1392064409;davout;them not obeying the usual laws of statistics 495961;1392064416;mike_c;yeah, but nobody cares what the rolls are, we care about investor returns. 495962;1392064418;mircea_popescu;what is this, mysticity ? 495963;1392064429;davout;hang on, gonna fish that book about chaos i read a while ago, really really interesting read 495964;1392064436;mircea_popescu;jurov but any option will be worth between itself and nothing 495965;1392064473;mike_c;it only matters if investor returns on JD are predictable. which 1) they are if there are a bunch of small bettors, 2) they are not if there are whales. 495966;1392064504;mircea_popescu;anyway. this discussion is not really resolvable, hence the arguables early on 495967;1392064511;mircea_popescu;we could talk about it 4evar 495968;1392064531;mike_c;before we shut it down, i've been trying to figure out how mpbor capital needs are calculated. 495969;1392064547;mike_c;you confused me the other day when you said the put sales didn't trigger a capital need by mpoe 495970;1392064569;benkay;largest amount of btc needed to cover positions over the course of the month, right? 495971;1392064590;mike_c;oh, so it only triggers a capital need if the price moves adversely? 495972;1392064597;mircea_popescu;mike_c i said that ?! 495973;1392064609;davout;mircea_popescu: this guy, read it if you haven't already -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos:_Making_a_New_Science 495974;1392064638;mircea_popescu;benkay yes. 495975;1392064642;mircea_popescu;mike_c say wut ? 495976;1392064646;mike_c;i will fish it out of logs 495977;1392064648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73750 @ 0.00085915 = 63.3623 BTC [-] {5} 495978;1392064674;benkay;chaos theory is the best theory 495979;1392064680;nubbins`;nonlinear differential equations 495980;1392064683;davout;o/ 495981;1392064685;nubbins`;did a course on them in uni 495982;1392064690;nubbins`;fun stuff 495983;1392064711;benkay;indeed indeed 495984;1392064729;benkay;fun programming exercise: make a thing that demonstrates "real" chaos 495985;1392064751;nubbins`;aha, found a casascius buyer! 495986;1392064754;mike_c;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2014#479378 495987;1392064758;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 495988;1392064763;nubbins`;these things actually turned out to be a pretty good investment 495989;1392064770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00085677 = 32.2146 BTC [-] {3} 495990;1392064787;mike_c;mircea_popescu:nah cause they're sales see << maybe you were referring to something else 495991;1392064816;jurov;these options were covered by seller, not by mpoe 495992;1392064863;mike_c;right, but mpoe had to buy them, where did that money come from? 495993;1392064889;nubbins`;doge 495994;1392064946;mircea_popescu;mike_c yeah seriously. 495995;1392064968;mircea_popescu;whosoever sells an option has first to create it, which takes collateral. in the case of mpbot this goes into its collateral needs for the month. 495996;1392064986;mircea_popescu;whosoever buys an option must has the btc to pay for it. in the case of mpbot this goes into its collateral needs for the month 495997;1392065000;mircea_popescu;at the end of the month the widest berth of that collateral need is taken as "the needed collatera" figure 495998;1392065043;mike_c;ok, so by purchasing those options it did trigger a capital need that bondholders will collect interest on. right? 495999;1392065054;mircea_popescu;yep 496000;1392065056;mike_c;k, thx 496001;1392065130;mircea_popescu;Feb 04 22:05:18 !t m ^oix 496002;1392065130;mircea_popescu;Feb 04 22:05:19 ..computing... 496003;1392065130;mircea_popescu;Feb 04 22:05:19 [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 122.22370491 / 121.39535668 / 120.63410743 (14 shares, 0.61 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) 496004;1392065130;mircea_popescu;Feb 04 22:05:57 nah cause they're sales see 496005;1392065141;mircea_popescu;it was in response to jurov's command. they wouldn't show in oix cause they're sales. 496006;1392065228;nubbins`;supposing there's a month where no collateral is needed, bondholders collect no interest? 496007;1392065257;mircea_popescu;yea 496008;1392065285;mircea_popescu;just like you know, if nobody plays on jd for a month investors collect no interest 496009;1392065502;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2494 @ 0.00018991 = 0.4736 BTC [-] {2} 496010;1392065503;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00543898 = 0.1849 BTC [-] {2} 496011;1392065563;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1228 @ 0.00018992 = 0.2332 BTC [+] {2} 496012;1392065564;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02501002 = 0.1251 BTC [+] 496013;1392066600;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00019676 = 0.1968 BTC [+] {5} 496014;1392067149;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55 = 1.1 BTC [-] 496015;1392067210;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.57998273 = 2.8999 BTC [+] {4} 496016;1392067271;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58499977 BTC [+] 496017;1392067272;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.077 = 0.385 BTC [+] {3} 496018;1392067273;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.118 = 0.236 BTC [-] {2} 496019;1392067274;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 496020;1392067332;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.11916666 = 0.3575 BTC [+] {3} 496021;1392067334;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 496022;1392067432;mike_c;too bad nobody seems to put on that play. watching the movie instead seems like a bad idea. 496023;1392067464;nubbins`;what play 496024;1392067473;Shakespeare;The devil hath power to assume a pleasing shape. 496025;1392067476;mike_c;merchant of venice. 496026;1392067484;nubbins`;ah 496027;1392067515;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.078 = 0.39 BTC [+] {3} 496028;1392067746;Shakespeare;http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2014/02/10/coinbit.aspx 496029;1392067748;ozbot;Bitcoin Conversion Now Live - Search Blog 496030;1392067778;nubbins`;was about to lel @ .aspx until i noticed the domain 496031;1392067801;dub;the fuck is bing 496032;1392067811;nubbins`;microsoft google 496033;1392067820;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.118 BTC [-] 496034;1392067855;dub;yeah but 496035;1392067893;mircea_popescu;mike_c the al pacino movie is almost ok 496036;1392067897;mircea_popescu;but the play itself is great. 496037;1392067917;nubbins`;they were the first search engine to do thumbnail video previews! 496038;1392067928;asciilifeform;when do we get 'microshit coin' ? 496039;1392067938;mircea_popescu;yet there's no search engine doing gif video encoding on teh fly 496040;1392067948;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, a loss for us all 496041;1392067961;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform never because fuctards are more interested in "saving the world" in the shape of doing something or the other in africa 496042;1392067962;mircea_popescu;as if. 496043;1392067969;nubbins`;meantime, GIMP is capable gif creator 496044;1392067980;Shakespeare;actually 496045;1392067981;nubbins`;you append the name of each layer with a time in milliseconds 496046;1392067986;nubbins`;e.g. Layer1 (5ms) 496047;1392067989;nubbins`;save as .gif 496048;1392067996;Shakespeare;Bill Gates: "Over the next 5 years I think digital money will catch on in India and parts of Africa and help the poorest a lot." 496049;1392068003;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 496050;1392068034;mircea_popescu;nubbins` http://xmodulo.com/2013/11/convert-video-animated-gif-image-linux.html 496051;1392068040;Shakespeare;The motions of his spirit are as dull as night.. 496052;1392068044;mircea_popescu;it's just two lines in an awk 496053;1392068058;mircea_popescu;but most of the world doesn't have linux cause they live in the poor world which gates helped. 496054;1392068069;nubbins`;oh hey, look 496055;1392068129;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall your essay on 'the cost of linux' ? 496056;1392068137;BingoBoingo;Shylock should have been the hero 496057;1392068138;asciilifeform;or was that here in the channel 496058;1392068158;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. nevertheless, insteaf of teaching the fucktarded horde to chant "white privilege" "global warming" "feed the hungry" 496059;1392068173;mircea_popescu;you could just as well teach them to chant "ffmpeg" "awk" "youtube-dt" etc 496060;1392068180;mircea_popescu;purely arbitrary what they chant. 496061;1392068191;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo shylock was the hero. 496062;1392068217;mircea_popescu;who do you figure the hero was, portia ? 496063;1392068220;mircea_popescu;she's just "nature" 496064;1392068220;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, he lost in that travesty of fiat justice at the end 496065;1392068227;mircea_popescu;nah nah not at all. 496066;1392068237;BingoBoingo;I figured the hero was the storms that sunk the ships 496067;1392068241;asciilifeform;bonus points for anybody who can crap out a scripting language where all valid proggys are chantable. 496068;1392068246;mircea_popescu;portia ie athena points out to him that mere words without context decay into meaninglessness 496069;1392068251;mircea_popescu;"have you a surgeon ? " "tis not in the bond" 496070;1392068256;asciilifeform;(herr moldbug sort of tried this, half-heartedly) 496071;1392068259;mircea_popescu;"neither is any leverage for blood spilling on the ground" 496072;1392068271;mircea_popescu;in this she has a point, and so shylock has learned something new about contracts. 496073;1392068319;BingoBoingo;I haven't thought much about that play in about a decade 496074;1392068348;mircea_popescu;it's actually very deep 496075;1392068358;mircea_popescu;just, the ripeness of its depth is not directly observable for bitcoin noobs 496076;1392068363;mircea_popescu;which is... everyone up until 2012 or so 496077;1392068381;mircea_popescu;but otherwise... this is art, that's how you know it : you only find out later hw deep it really was. 496078;1392068414;asciilifeform;the 'eternally noobile' are almost a species unto themselves. 496079;1392068430;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00085547 = 2.8231 BTC [-] 496080;1392068448;mircea_popescu;bassaro and the other ghuy are mere puppets, nessie even says to her guy 496081;1392068456;mircea_popescu;"you're lucky i'm not hearing you" 496082;1392068466;mircea_popescu;i say this to my slaves all the time. 496083;1392068575;Shakespeare;maybe you'd prefer, "have your mouth fill'd up. Before you open it." 496084;1392068587;mircea_popescu;lol 496085;1392068748;mircea_popescu;words in principle are meaningless, and cultural references idem could serve both a thesis and its anti 496086;1392068769;mircea_popescu;("a new daniel has come!" "a daniel, thank you for teaching me a new word!") 496087;1392068779;mircea_popescu;which is why self-enforcing contracts are such ridiculous nonsense. 496088;1392068857;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.0008611 = 5.6833 BTC [+] 496089;1392068905;jurov;;;seen namworld 496090;1392069420;pankkake;;;seen gribble 496091;1392069429;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/FEgSzma.gif 496092;1392069595;deadweasel;davout: read that when I was 18, changed everything. 496093;1392069598;Dimsler_;lol 496094;1392069600;Dimsler_;i got 2 of those 496095;1392069607;Dimsler_;long haired 496096;1392069628;Apocalyptic;deadweasel, you read what ? 496097;1392069690;pizzaman1337;Apocalyptic: davout mentioned this earlier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos:_Making_a_New_Science 496098;1392069701;deadweasel;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos:_Making_a_New_Science 496099;1392069702;ozbot;Chaos: Making a New Science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 496100;1392069703;Apocalyptic;missed the link, thanks 496101;1392069711;deadweasel;np 496102;1392069833;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.118 BTC [-] 496103;1392069834;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 496104;1392070077;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0765 = 0.153 BTC [-] {2} 496105;1392070078;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.118 = 0.236 BTC [-] 496106;1392070218;davout;Apocalyptic pizzaman1337 deadweasel this book is really really awesome, order it now, do it 496107;1392070235;davout;(for those who haven't read it already :-) ) 496108;1392070311;Shakespeare;Mark Zuckerberg, Wife Were Most Generous Philanthropists In 2013 496109;1392070352;deadweasel;in fact, buy two, give one to an idiot. 496110;1392070365;deadweasel;or loved one, or both, should that be the case 496111;1392070471;Shakespeare;Hide not thy poison with such sugar'd words, Mark. 496112;1392070701;mircea_popescu;;p; 496113;1392070867;BingoBoingo;https://imgflip.com/gif/6pd9p 496114;1392070957;Shakespeare;;;goxlag 496115;1392070958;gribble;MtGox lag is 1488.827797 seconds. During this time, light travels 2.98359423544 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Ceres (in the main asteroid belt) (2.77 AU). 496116;1392071297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00085649 = 29.292 BTC [-] 496117;1392071301;Shakespeare;"Michael Gronager, COO from Kraken, a U.S.-based exchange that currently specializes in trading euros for bitcoin, said attacks that exploit transaction malleability have grown rapidly from being almost non-existent in the bitcoin economy a couple of weeks ago to 4,000 false claims for non-payment on Sunday alone." 496118;1392071320;Shakespeare;specializes in trading euros for bitcoin 496119;1392071332;Shakespeare;U.S.-based exchange 496120;1392071355;deadweasel;so it is an auto-bot 496121;1392071358;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 2145 @ 0.0055 = 11.7975 BTC 496122;1392071359;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04824967 = 0.1447 BTC [-] 496123;1392071360;deadweasel;wisely exploited 496124;1392071384;Shakespeare;"Okay, dogecoiners, you got us. It may surprise people who don’t even know about bitcoin to learn that there are number of alternative, electronic currencies out there. They include litecoin, Ripples, Mastercoin, Quark, the soon-to-come auroracoin (for Icelanders)…and dogecoin, a newcomer that started out just in December as something of a joke" 496125;1392071389;Shakespeare;~WSJ 496126;1392071418;Shakespeare;no mention of Altcoin wtf 496127;1392071419;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+] 496128;1392071433;dub;inexcusable 496129;1392071473;dub;clearly this 'wall street' knows nothing of finance 496130;1392071480;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.121 = 0.363 BTC [+] {3} 496131;1392071487;Shakespeare;they mentioned Ripples after all 496132;1392071505;Shakespeare;doge i can understandf 496133;1392071785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00085904 = 11.4252 BTC [+] 496134;1392071786;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+] 496135;1392071846;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0055 = 1.1 BTC 496136;1392071907;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1215 BTC [+] 496137;1392072212;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.19376446 = 0.7751 BTC [+] 496138;1392072395;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1215 BTC [+] 496139;1392072517;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.053 = 0.106 BTC [+] 496140;1392072518;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 18 @ 0.12175 = 2.1915 BTC [+] 496141;1392072674;dub;http://rt.com/news/us-military-sex-abuse-281/ 496142;1392072690;dub;do they have maff in russia 496143;1392072852;dub;comments.. 496144;1392073005;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.04897953 = 1.4694 BTC [+] 496145;1392073066;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.12279999 = 1.228 BTC [+] {4} 496146;1392073127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16585 @ 0.00085868 = 14.2412 BTC [-] 496147;1392073188;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1249 BTC [+] 496148;1392073249;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.125 = 0.25 BTC [+] 496149;1392073284;kakobrekla;look what i found on rt , since you linked it 496150;1392073287;kakobrekla;http://rt.com/usa/bitcoin-florida-laundering-arrest-431/ 496151;1392073311;kakobrekla;exchange couple of btc and get fucked. 496152;1392073333;kakobrekla;Espinoza, prosecutors allege, arranged such a deal with an undercover agent in early December in which that officer paid $500 for 0.403 BTC, in turn generating a profit of around $83.67 for the seller. Investigators then arranged for a second transaction to occur days later, that time purchasing 1 BTC for $1,000 and earning Espinoza around $167.56 through fees as a result. 496153;1392073347;kakobrekla;OH MY 160 bucks terrorists! 496154;1392073427;dub;cryptoterrorists 496155;1392073448;dub;a messican and cunukistani, what were they even doing in gods great nation 496156;1392073487;Shakespeare;shitty 496157;1392073493;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.0549995 = 0.385 BTC [+] {2} 496158;1392073554;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.05504657 = 0.8257 BTC [+] {4} 496159;1392073615;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.05509999 = 0.6612 BTC [+] {3} 496160;1392073676;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.05509999 = 0.2204 BTC [+] 496161;1392073737;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.07271427 = 0.509 BTC [+] {4} 496162;1392073798;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [+] 496163;1392073859;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1212 = 0.2424 BTC [-] 496164;1392073860;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.08349998 = 0.501 BTC [+] {4} 496165;1392074103;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+] 496166;1392074280;mircea_popescu;basically this is butthurt over btc not giving a shit. 496167;1392074301;mircea_popescu;"and then i said to him, we intend to break the us law, your honor, and he said i don't give a shit about this us you speak of" 496168;1392074307;mircea_popescu;"BURN THE WITCH!!1" 496169;1392074347;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1225 BTC [-] 496170;1392074530;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 1 @ 0.6125182 BTC [+] 496171;1392074610;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456983.msg5055951#msg5055951 bwhaha 496172;1392074628;Duffer1;"and allows for near-perfect anonymity. " uhh... 496173;1392074652;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 496174;1392074653;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1760 @ 0.00019089 = 0.336 BTC [-] {5} 496175;1392074774;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 16 @ 0.61133429 = 9.7813 BTC [-] 496176;1392074774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.0008611 = 0.3444 BTC [+] 496177;1392074776;mircea_popescu;"Of course, all i am saying is true. Just wait, time will tell. I am not here to scam anyone. Period." 496178;1392074777;mircea_popescu;derp 496179;1392074835;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 10 @ 0.61133429 = 6.1133 BTC [-] 496180;1392074986;mike_c;^ it can't go any lower! 496181;1392075018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00086137 = 18.261 BTC [+] 496182;1392075079;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018992 = 0.1899 BTC [-] {3} 496183;1392075099;mircea_popescu;mebbe not 496184;1392075325;mircea_popescu;anyway, re the earlier money laundering bs 496185;1392075337;mircea_popescu;unless the state gets a plea bargain they're going to be humiliated at trial. 496186;1392075352;mircea_popescu;there's absolutely no way a judge actually even hears the case of 500 dollars "money laundering" 496187;1392075357;mircea_popescu;cause some dood sold some online shit 496188;1392075369;KRS1;ridiculous 496189;1392075375;Mats_cd03;how optimistic 496190;1392075378;mircea_popescu;either that or they're getting all the WoW sword of x "money laundering" cases into their state, 496191;1392075383;mircea_popescu;and they'll never see the end of that docket. 496192;1392075431;mircea_popescu;then the media frenzy of "the state of florida spent $195,000 taxpayer dollars to harass some random guy playing online, and got laughed out of court for it" 496193;1392075456;mircea_popescu;"meanwhile we have 8739843 unresolved rapes, murders, arson, kidnapping, robbery and assaults" 496194;1392075506;assbot;[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 7 @ 0.61135724 = 4.2795 BTC [+] 496195;1392075514;mircea_popescu;but i guess the settlement culture being what it is... they figure they got a shot. 496196;1392075588;KRS1;Of the 50 states, I'll admit, Florida is different with reguard to legislation..but certainly not the worst. Has something to do with being part of the historical "deep south". 496197;1392075658;mircea_popescu;regardless of that, tho. 496198;1392075686;mircea_popescu;it's quite visible what happened there, mongoloid cops went to the da with their "investigation", da told them he won't prosecute 496199;1392075699;mircea_popescu;so they went back and derped about 57439875983489 dollars and IDENTITY THEFT etc 496200;1392075718;mircea_popescu;the da hasn't passed on it for w/e reason, but it's hardly a case. 496201;1392075789;asciilifeform;'law' is a distinctly poor description of the mechanism at work here 496202;1392075805;asciilifeform;'article 58' of the soviet penal code was also 'law,' used in this exact way. 496203;1392075811;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04897952 = 0.1469 BTC [-] {2} 496204;1392075832;asciilifeform;('Lettre de cachet' for troublemakers) 496205;1392075966;mircea_popescu;dude get out. 496206;1392075984;mircea_popescu;first off, the entire state of florida is not cool enough to issue one single such magical device per annum 496207;1392076011;mircea_popescu;second off, derpy mc derp, police officer of 88 iq is DEFINITELY not the firestarter there. 496208;1392076018;asciilifeform;certainly not. 496209;1392076041;asciilifeform;but you set up the muppet theatre 'with the muppets you have, not the muppets you wish you had.' 496210;1392076056;mircea_popescu;nah, the entire thing is well... scare the malfeasants for a coupla days, they look dorky, who knows what info they have to share. 496211;1392076081;mircea_popescu;the proper way a police is run since about 500bc 496212;1392076096;asciilifeform;'operative methods,' yes. 496213;1392076101;mircea_popescu;myeah. 496214;1392076169;asciilifeform;which is why the 'perfect dpr' owns no computer, neither do his friends, and is, in fact: a dentist. (whose name we will never learn.) 496215;1392076268;jurov;everyone, upon stumbling on the malleable tx myself i can explain where is the problem exactly 496216;1392076277;mircea_popescu;jurov shoot 496217;1392076295;jurov;bitcoind listtransactions normally doesn't show duplicates 496218;1392076299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22715 @ 0.0008594 = 19.5213 BTC [-] 496219;1392076302;jurov;er.. double spends 496220;1392076310;jurov;but it does show diddled txs. 496221;1392076312;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you know the perfect man joke ? 496222;1392076322;jurov;even after one of them confirms 496223;1392076330;mircea_popescu;so ? 496224;1392076332;jurov;and even in 0.9.0rc1 496225;1392076338;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ? 496226;1392076373;jurov;so anyone who accepts zeroconf and uses listtransactions is hosed 496227;1392076384;mircea_popescu;doh ? 496228;1392076385;jurov;there is no indication its the same tx 496229;1392076390;mircea_popescu;how is this news or anything ? 496230;1392076400;deadweasel;only to gox 496231;1392076405;mircea_popescu;amply documented since before i made mpex cause i knew of it at the time 496232;1392076422;mircea_popescu;"i distinctly remember ppl going no what, seriously ?! you misunderstood something" 496233;1392076424;KRS1;what was I thinking of..money laundering isn't handled by the state anyway, only the charge could be filed but the prosecution is handled in federal court. 496234;1392076450;KRS1;Do you guys remember Robocop moviee from the 1980's? 496235;1392076452;mircea_popescu;KRS1 yup. prolly the policemen get paid regardless, just for making up charges or some shit. 496236;1392076453;jurov;i didn't knew that, for one. but i am not doing zeroconf anyway 496237;1392076460;jurov;various dice sites, tho... 496238;1392076462;KRS1;Yeah exctly. 496239;1392076469;KRS1;I don't remember this scene from Robocop: http://efukt.com/21126_I_don%27t_remember_this_in_Robocop.html 496240;1392076470;deadweasel;part of that was filmed in the George r brown convention center in houston,tx 496241;1392076473;KRS1;Penis everywhere. 496242;1392076482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46700 @ 0.00085637 = 39.9925 BTC [-] {2} 496243;1392076492;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform new men supermarket opens in a town, where women can come and simply buy themselves a boyfriend. first floor : "Here are guys who like beer and watching tv". 2nd floor : sensitive guys who only want to hug and hang out. 3rd floor : all the women, and a huge panel : This floor only exists to show you you can never be satisfied. 496244;1392076517;KRS1;haha 496245;1392076590;mircea_popescu;jurov if you want i can prolly dig up some diddled txn to my addies 496246;1392076611;deadweasel;would make a nice post, no? 496247;1392076626;mircea_popescu;incidentally : CORRECTLY DESIGNED BITCOIN SITES, SUCH AS MPEx, that use tx encoding in the payment ARE IMMUNE TO THIS, and many other bugs. 496248;1392076664;mircea_popescu;for yet another page in the "what's mpex got anyway". 496249;1392076849;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i was thinking of: 496250;1392076855;asciilifeform;"If the reader had access to real dossiers on the secret agents of spetsnaz he would be disappointed and probably shocked, because the agents of spetsnaz bear no resemblance to the fine, upstanding, young and handsome heroes of spy films. Soviet military intelligence is looking for an entirely different type of person as a candidate for recruitment. A portrait of an ideal agent for spetsnaz emerges something li 496251;1392076856;asciilifeform;ke this: a man of between fifty-five and sixty-five years of age who has never served in the army, never had access to secret documents, does not carry or own a weapon, knows nothing about hand-to-hand fighting, does not possess any secret equipment and doesn't support the Comunists, does not read the newspapers, was never in the Soviet Union and has never met any Soviet citizens, leads a lonely, introspective 496252;1392076856;asciilifeform;life, far from other people, and is by profession a forester, fisherman, lighthouse-keeper, security guard or railwayman. In many cases such an agent will be a physical invalid. Spetsnaz is also on the lookout for women with roughly the same characteristics." 496253;1392076866;asciilifeform;(from the classic: http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/08.html) 496254;1392076918;asciilifeform;(the chapter concerned the recruitment of traitors in the west, rather than 'ninjas') 496255;1392077015;mircea_popescu;yeah 496256;1392077037;mircea_popescu;it was abandoned tho, because iirc in the 70s someone in the us finally figured this out 496257;1392077050;mircea_popescu;did they make a film about it or is it an obscure detail of history ? 496258;1392077063;asciilifeform;a couple of runaways spilled the beans, yes 496259;1392077071;mircea_popescu;i tell you they figured it out 496260;1392077076;asciilifeform;they dug up some boobietraps, made a little noise, that was all. 496261;1392077077;mircea_popescu;like, on their own 496262;1392077086;asciilifeform;would surprise me greatly if they hadn't 496263;1392077104;mircea_popescu;it's the exact equivalent of the caught cia agent joke, you know thatone ? 496264;1392077108;asciilifeform;but a runaway lets you 'parallel construct' to your heart's delight. 496265;1392077120;asciilifeform;the one with the staples? or the black spy? 496266;1392077132;mike_c;re: JD predictability of investor returns. trailing 7 day ROI: http://i.imgur.com/sOotZke.png 496267;1392077143;asciilifeform;(the staples that failed to rust, was, afaik, a real incident) 496268;1392077160;mircea_popescu;the black spy yeah 496269;1392077189;mircea_popescu;mike_c that shit looks exactly like herbi's earlier mpoe stuff 496270;1392077198;mircea_popescu;;;last seen herbiomfgwhatwasit 496271;1392077198;gribble;(last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} ] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message) 496272;1392077200;mike_c;no way, mine's much prettier 496273;1392077224;mircea_popescu;;;seen herbijudlestoids 496274;1392077224;gribble;herbijudlestoids was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 hours, 25 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: k, enjoy your ignorance 496275;1392077238;mircea_popescu;dun tell me the guy got butthurt over... NUBBINS! 496276;1392077490;asciilifeform;re: agents: i'd be surprised though, it there is entirely no more 'maintain this derelict shipping container and cafe that nobody goes to and you'll get a little cash in the mail every month' 496277;1392077581;asciilifeform;likewise, most of the buried treasure probably remains buried. 496278;1392077602;asciilifeform;(if only because the fools lost the maps where 'x marks the spot.') 496279;1392077661;dub;he got srsly butthurt about knowing more than everyone else on the internet cause he's been there and it wasnt cool 496280;1392077679;mircea_popescu;there definitely is some 496281;1392077702;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15993 @ 0.0001899 = 3.0371 BTC [-] {8} 496282;1392077711;mircea_popescu;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy's_Motel_and_Caf 496283;1392077770;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform or because they burried the nut in a dog 496284;1392077777;mircea_popescu;(you saw that squirrel gif ?) 496285;1392077778;asciilifeform;one day some bored kid will dig through old soviet crap, find a footnote that leads to a working rpg-7 under a mailbox. 496286;1392077799;mircea_popescu;or so every bored kid worth his salt dreams :D 496287;1392077822;asciilifeform;the original 'geocaching.' 496288;1392077823;KRS1;haha asciilifeform 496289;1392077846;KRS1;I buried my nut in this girl once.. 496290;1392077875;KRS1;.bait 496291;1392077893;KRS1;;;seen ozbot 496292;1392077893;gribble;ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 36 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: Why Mt. Gox is full of shit - joepie91's Ramblings 496293;1392077973;dub;meanwhile.. http://www.click2houston.com/police-cite-man-dressed-as-banana-carrying-ak47/-/1736084/24388136/-/vs4cvuz/-/index.html 496294;1392077993;deadweasel;i was born and raised 2 minutes from downtown houston 496295;1392078005;deadweasel;mani st houston at 4am, you can see anything 496296;1392078009;deadweasel;main* 496297;1392078038;deadweasel;used to bike/skate down there, sometimes running from drunken angry men of all colors 496298;1392078041;deadweasel;white included 496299;1392078051;deadweasel;sometimes just chillin with them 496300;1392078055;deadweasel;they so crazy 496301;1392078150;KRS1;Texas is awesome with regard to weapons legislation and capital crimes punishment. 496302;1392078176;deadweasel;and general gtfo federal goverment 496303;1392078186;KRS1;Love that state..plus they have most major telco carrier lines converging in Dallas..makes for an Internet utobpia. 496304;1392078189;KRS1;utopia 496305;1392078190;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 638 @ 0.00077699 = 0.4957 BTC [-] {7} 496306;1392078207;deadweasel;didn't google go fiber in OK tho 496307;1392078210;deadweasel;? 496308;1392078216;dub;https://twitter.com/forlornfunnies/status/432978460538318848/photo/1 496309;1392078247;deadweasel;story of my life 496310;1392078268;deadweasel;only i fuck up for longer first 496311;1392078277;KRS1;no..i visited my friend in Dallas and he showed me his hosting location there. His datacenter can switch him from any 1 of like 6 different carrier peering points at any time. 496312;1392078284;dub;new altcoin byline candidate there, 'I'm sorry, its so strange to be on the internet' 496313;1392078293;deadweasel;fuck yes 496314;1392078424;deadweasel;houston is corrupt as all hell 496315;1392078495;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.0258 = 0.258 BTC [+] 496316;1392078537;KRS1;I was there for about a week..had to set up about 10 VMware hosts, firewall and storage. Went real smooth. I love how the girls talk there, and people seem real nice compared to South Florida. 496317;1392078556;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00085588 = 33.5505 BTC [-] {3} 496318;1392078682;deadweasel;Texas will rise again. then fall to Bitcoin. 496319;1392078696;deadweasel;then rise again! 496320;1392078698;deadweasel;bitches 496321;1392078704;asciilifeform;texcoin. 496322;1392078723;KRS1;Texas is indeed an interesting state. 496323;1392078724;nubbins`;txc 496324;1392078753;KRS1;havent heard much of that talk lately about texas becoming a sovergn country..they seem big enough =D 496325;1392078777;KRS1;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHZJej98_T0 496326;1392078783;deadweasel;it used to be. could be again by law. 496327;1392078785;KRS1;Makes me think of that ^ 496328;1392078805;KRS1;Burt Reynolds lives like 20 miles from me 496329;1392078837;deadweasel;can you feel his vibe? 496330;1392078840;deadweasel;:P 496331;1392078859;nubbins`;he finds mustache hairs in his cereal daily, no doubt 496332;1392078864;KRS1;he's got a beautiful estate near the ocean 496333;1392078877;deadweasel;nubbins`, you chase off herbaljusitoisds? 496334;1392078890;nubbins`;i guess so 496335;1392078890;bloctoc;KRS1 there was some talk of succession when Obama was trying to get texas to help pay for the national electricity grid. 496336;1392078904;nubbins`;he got really upset 496337;1392078904;deadweasel;fuck obma 496338;1392078917;deadweasel;fuck herbaljsustoid 496339;1392078918;deadweasel;s 496340;1392078922;nubbins`;because i wasn't fact-checking while chatting 496341;1392078931;deadweasel;texas fucking honeybadger state 496342;1392078966;bloctoc;frt - Former Republic of Texas 496343;1392079072;KRS1;Did you guys see the new version of the Trans Am 496344;1392079072;KRS1;http://pricinginsider.carsdirect.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/hurst-edition-trans-am-camaro-overview.jpg 496345;1392079074;bloctoc;succession -> secession 496346;1392079074;mircea_popescu;lol the us w/o texas would be in a very interesting position 496347;1392079086;mircea_popescu;pretty much all the oil importing infrastructure is down there 496348;1392079088;KRS1;Indeed mircea 496349;1392079100;asciilifeform;afaik, TX is being recolonized by mexico on schedule, just like CA 496350;1392079101;mircea_popescu;i hear it gets pretty cold up north without texas... 496351;1392079106;nubbins`;heh 496352;1392079115;deadweasel;i for one, embrace my hardworking brown friends 496353;1392079124;mircea_popescu;deadweasel no homo ? 496354;1392079137;KRS1;haha 496355;1392079147;deadweasel;usually 496356;1392079182;KRS1;deadweasel: Mexicans work at my house regularly, they are very hard working respectible and honest people. I admire them and they make great food. 496357;1392079202;deadweasel;^ 496358;1392079209;deadweasel;the best food 496359;1392079210;nubbins`;all of them? 496360;1392079213;deadweasel;yes 496361;1392079229;deadweasel;because natural screening is the desert that lies between 496362;1392079237;deadweasel;only the smart dedicated ones get through 496363;1392079292;deadweasel;which in part is due to out ultra nationalist xenophonic border property owners which are a small in number. 496364;1392079307;nubbins`;the usa is a very different country than canada 496365;1392079327;Duffer1;america. canada's mexico 496366;1392079334;BingoBoingo;Looks like the Altcoin order book on the kinds shady exchange is starting to fill in https://openex.pw/index.php?page=trade&market=111 496367;1392079341;nubbins`;Duffer1 XD 496368;1392079398;Duffer1;i do miss texas though, i grew up in austin 496369;1392079442;nubbins`;never been 496370;1392079473;deadweasel;go to austin 496371;1392079476;deadweasel;it's yoru kinda town 496372;1392079480;deadweasel;your* 496373;1392079482;bloctoc;I spent the year before last in San Antonio. I felt like the only white guy around for miles. 496374;1392079502;deadweasel;it's been 'colonied' 496375;1392079505;deadweasel;austn is better 496376;1392079517;deadweasel;colonized* 496377;1392079519;deadweasel;fuck this keyboard 496378;1392079519;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo who runs that thing ? 496379;1392079532;bloctoc;how about repopulated since it was decimated by smallpox way back when... 496380;1392079548;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That's r3wt's deal. The questionable dude brought up yesterday. 496381;1392079563;mircea_popescu;a 496382;1392079574;asciilifeform;still waiting to see an 'mpexian' exchange with no www site, operated entirely by coded TX amounts. 496383;1392079576;mircea_popescu;bloctoc san antonio is like my favourite us town 496384;1392079605;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform afaik it's being worked on. 496385;1392079628;bloctoc;it might be my favorite Texas town, but I moved to San Francisco for a reason 496386;1392079646;bloctoc;reason being it's way better than Texas 496387;1392079666;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: seems like a trivial problem, ought to have been done 'last year.' 496388;1392079671;Duffer1;man, i grew up on The ALAMO!@3 texas history books, and when i finally see it i can't help but think "that's it?" 496389;1392079673;mircea_popescu;yea well. 496390;1392079686;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 did kinda look like you could piss over it 496391;1392079942;bloctoc;Someone should sneak up to the roof of the Alamo and take a selfie for selfie olympics 496392;1392080077;mircea_popescu;https://i.imgur.com/LDeN7dH.jpg 496393;1392080105;bloctoc;is that you? 496394;1392080119;mircea_popescu;no, some chick in there 496395;1392080123;mircea_popescu;https://imgur.com/a/deovZ?gallery 496396;1392080124;ozbot;The Selfie Olympics - Imgur 496397;1392080172;Duffer1;i played davy crockett in the school play hehe 496398;1392080172;Duffer1;i think the set was bigger than the real thing 496399;1392080190;mircea_popescu;https://i.imgur.com/qfGBdNw.jpg 496400;1392080208;mircea_popescu;REAL BITCOIN JESUS 496401;1392080277;mircea_popescu;https://i.imgur.com/oQ23QNY.jpg << ok, her. seize her and bring her to me. 496402;1392080309;Duffer1;that's impressive 496403;1392080325;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57987947 = 1.1598 BTC [-] {2} 496404;1392080366;nubbins`;https://i.imgur.com/qfGBdNw.jpg 496405;1392080373;nubbins`;ahh, too slo 496406;1392080373;nubbins`;w 496407;1392080378;nubbins`;lel 496408;1392080429;mircea_popescu;lalala 496409;1392080526;nubbins`;OH 496410;1392080532;nubbins`;check it: 496411;1392080564;nubbins`;;;ticker 496412;1392080565;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 685.57, Best ask: 688.99, Bid-ask spread: 3.42000, Last trade: 689.0, 24 hour volume: 72468.55509753, 24 hour low: 530.0, 24 hour high: 713.0, 24 hour vwap: 639.580822098 496413;1392080691;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1212 BTC [-] 496414;1392080733;dub;had an ex that could do standing splits, cheerleader etc 496415;1392080749;dub;knew not what to do with cock however 496416;1392080790;Duffer1;stand on your head too, duh 496417;1392080998;mircea_popescu;dub can learn. 496418;1392081141;dub;she knew not what to do ffs 496419;1392081168;dub;I know all about such things 496420;1392081190;dub;insert, remove, sleep. 496421;1392081205;mircea_popescu;lol. 496422;1392081228;dub;dont try to tell me otherwise internet peon or I'll ragepart 496423;1392081239;mircea_popescu;ok ignore your injoyance. 496424;1392081240;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31100 @ 0.00085961 = 26.7339 BTC [+] {3} 496425;1392081242;nubbins`;you'll pull a herb 496426;1392081278;dub;rageherb? 496427;1392081288;dub;herbrage 496428;1392081300;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.msg5063595#msg5063595 496429;1392081302;ozbot;[Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus 496430;1392081306;mircea_popescu;no witty retort makes me all sad inside. 496431;1392082036;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The praise for you saving OpenBSD keeps coming, from yesterday http://www.linuxac.org/forum/threads/66918-%D9%85%D9%86%D8%B8%D9%85%D8%A9-OpenBSD-%D8%B3%D9%88%D9%81-%D8%AA%D8%AA%D9%88%D9%81%D9%82-%D8%B9%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D9%85%D9%84-%D8%A8%D8%B3%D8%A8%D8%A8-%D8%AA%D9%88%D9%82%D9%81-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B9%D9%85-%D9%84%D9%87%D8%A7?s=5a1d49a81cab27f2e6c5d567a9058475&p=521670&viewfull=1#post521670 496432;1392082386;pankkake;long url is long 496433;1392082598;BingoBoingo;pankkake: Well, it encodes arabic script, so... yeah 496434;1392082664;dub;ah derka derka derka 496435;1392082738;BingoBoingo;dub: Well, they expressed in the thread earlier a bit of suprised Darpa would have in the past supported OpenBSD 496436;1392082818;pankkake;must be terrorists. bitcoin, openbsd, arabic, the evidence is overwhelming 496437;1392082910;BingoBoingo;pankkake: or freedomfighers, security aware goatherders, or simply people looking into making a living in the IT industry 496438;1392082930;pankkake;is there a difference? 496439;1392083006;BingoBoingo;pankkake: Not necessarily, but there also isn't a necessary association either 496440;1392083192;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02510127 = 0.2008 BTC [-] {2} 496441;1392083254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90400 @ 0.00085357 = 77.1627 BTC [-] {4} 496442;1392083363;mircea_popescu;that's a long url of praise 496443;1392083465;Duffer1;LTC on Gox? 496444;1392083469;Duffer1;:3 496445;1392083518;pankkake;lol 496446;1392083520;pankkake;Trade with confidence on the world's largest Bitcoin exchange! 496447;1392083554;mircea_popescu;the world's largest everything is everywhere! 496448;1392083638;copumpkin;that's a big MPOE sale there 496449;1392083652;copumpkin;MPOE has a remarkably deep book 496450;1392083674;pankkake;what I don't understand is why the other things don't have that volume 496451;1392083688;pankkake;well at least Bitbet. it's operating. 496452;1392083839;pankkake;latest Almost Human didn't mention Bitcoin. must be why the price is falling 496453;1392083987;ThickAsThieves;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PosrMU91j0 496454;1392083991;ozbot;Charlie Shrem, Bitcoin entrepreneur, interviewed by Jeffrey Tucker - YouTube 496455;1392084015;ThickAsThieves;this guy wants give shrem a bj 496456;1392084040;Duffer1;JT is a great interviewee 496457;1392084063;ThickAsThieves;oh man this guy is so horny for him 496458;1392084069;Duffer1;hehe 496459;1392084079;BingoBoingo;I wonder if Charlie Shrem can ride roller coasters 496460;1392084127;ThickAsThieves;what a horrible video 496461;1392084169;BingoBoingo;On account of that matter of his height or lack thereof 496462;1392084194;Duffer1;do they talk about the money laundering charge? 496463;1392084206;ThickAsThieves;i couldnt take anymore 496464;1392084208;ThickAsThieves;good luck 496465;1392084412;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00568699 = 0.1137 BTC [+] 496466;1392084449;dexX7;https://blockchain.info/charts/n-orphaned-blocks?timespan=2year&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address= kinda large spike in orphaned blocks recently? 496467;1392084472;KRS1;lmao ThickAsThieves -> this guy wants give shrem a bj 496468;1392084531;KRS1;I'll bet its on the unreleased videos 496469;1392084595;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 59 @ 0.0055 = 0.3245 BTC 496470;1392085223;mircea_popescu;dexX7 happens 496471;1392085261;mike_c;pankkake: it's because s.mpoe is so huge. s.bbet actually has a higher share turnover over the last 6 months than s.mpoe. 496472;1392085278;mircea_popescu;interesting 496473;1392085279;pankkake;oh 496474;1392085285;mircea_popescu;$vwap s.mpoe 496475;1392085286;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00085721 high: 0.00086297 low: 0.00084891 volume: 1624150 btc: 1392.23827571 7 day: average: 0.00087835 high: 0.00093912 low: 0.00082189 volume: 7039964 btc: 6183.54502157 30 day: average: 0.0009022 high: 0.00101414 low: 0.00082189 volume: 26985544 btc: 24346.2590462 496476;1392085289;mircea_popescu;$vwap s.bbet 496477;1392085290;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: S.BBET 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 0.000621 high: 0.00062299 low: 0.00062099 volume: 9360 btc: 5.8125299 30 day: average: 0.00069705 high: 0.0009 low: 0.0006 volume: 16002 btc: 11.1542499 496478;1392085314;mircea_popescu;;;calc 24346.2590462 / 1000000000 / 0.0009022 496479;1392085314;gribble;0.0269854345447 496480;1392085332;mircea_popescu;;;calc 11.1542499 / 10000000 / 0.00069705 496481;1392085333;gribble;0.00160020800516 496482;1392085391;mircea_popescu;not quite 496483;1392085404;mircea_popescu;course you did say six months 496484;1392085449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22950 @ 0.00085596 = 19.6443 BTC [+] 496485;1392085567;jborkl_;Mtgox finished recapitalization today, good for another 6 months 496486;1392085571;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02510001 = 0.1004 BTC [-] 496487;1392085592;mircea_popescu;lol 496488;1392085595;jborkl_;Have to find a new one next time 496489;1392085609;jborkl_;Uggh what should we use this time guys 496490;1392085650;jborkl_;Heh you know its true, that is the sad part 496491;1392085680;mike_c;to redeem myself, since july 1: 496492;1392085689;mike_c;;;calc 80819516 / 1000000000 496493;1392085689;gribble;0.080819516 496494;1392085697;mike_c;;;calc 1452230 / 10000000 496495;1392085697;gribble;0.145223 496496;1392085723;mircea_popescu;aha 496497;1392085747;mircea_popescu;s.dice was also outtrading s.mpoe for a while there 496498;1392085765;mircea_popescu;but i guess overall yeah, just damned hard to beat. 496499;1392085815;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.57993266 = 1.7398 BTC [+] {3} 496500;1392086120;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00568789 = 0.1706 BTC [+] {3} 496501;1392086138;mike_c;wow.. so, also since july 1 those trades meant 70,000 btc in volume on mpoe! and 203 btc on s.bbet. 496502;1392086160;mike_c;so, that's why moar volume on mpoe :) 496503;1392086192;mircea_popescu;actually... 496504;1392086204;mike_c;well, cause/effect, whatever 496505;1392086222;mircea_popescu;tell you what, ~8% of the mkt cap trading over ~7 months is just about exactly right. 496506;1392086238;mircea_popescu;best scam in history, every way you look at it it's legit 496507;1392086303;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.585 BTC [+] 496508;1392086312;mircea_popescu;so basically two good dividend months in a row for bbet killed the volume. 496509;1392086335;mike_c;nobody wants to sell 496510;1392086343;mircea_popescu;i guess the fundamental negotiation has tyre kickers and car collectors, and they have trouble finding common ground 496511;1392086374;mircea_popescu;team A being "i don't care how good these internet funbux corps look" and team B going "unless i need money to buy rope i'm not selling my btc securities" 496512;1392086416;mircea_popescu;in the end... this being exactly how greatness is built. by the time they do find that common ground... look out. 496513;1392086421;mike_c;turn on the hft. more volume instantly. 496514;1392086425;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 333 @ 0.0055 = 1.8315 BTC 496515;1392086445;mircea_popescu;all the bitching about how difficult itis or it isn't to acquire btc is irrelevant. that's not where the hot core of btc is happening. this is. 496516;1392086783;mircea_popescu;mike_c no rush, volume can come later. let people figure shit out first. 496517;1392086791;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.00075 = 0.375 BTC [-] 496518;1392086814;mike_c;oh yeah, i was kidding. more volume will come with increasing revenue i believe. 496519;1392086900;mircea_popescu;;;calc 0.31 / 700 496520;1392086900;gribble;0.000442857142857 496521;1392086913;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 32 @ 0.59607178 = 19.0743 BTC [+] {9} 496522;1392086921;mircea_popescu;chec it out, 4428 satoshi per share 496523;1392086998;mircea_popescu;;;calc 63.55 / 700 496524;1392086998;gribble;0.0907857142857 496525;1392087021;mircea_popescu;so basically facebook trades at 100x s.mpoe on 4x the revenue per share. 496526;1392087029;mircea_popescu;i would say it is definitely not the revenue. 496527;1392087068;mike_c;well, s.mg trades at a higher revenue multiple than s.mpoe too. but i still think revenue will help :) 496528;1392087093;mircea_popescu;i doubt it. what will help is the passive effect of people hearing about s.mpoe and forgetting about facebook 496529;1392087096;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 182 @ 0.0055 = 1.001 BTC 496530;1392087105;mircea_popescu;because see, facebook existed back in the day when myspace was trading for 700mn 496531;1392087154;mircea_popescu;but a "social network" with nothing at all can not begin to stand up to the central bank of bitcoin. it's a contest between a bulldog and a cockroach. 496532;1392087231;asciilifeform;misread as 'contest between a bulldog and a couch' 496533;1392087236;mircea_popescu;haha 496534;1392087259;Duffer1;thickasthieves how's that cryptocurrency social network you signed up for? 496535;1392087266;mircea_popescu;http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/e0/b9/48/e0b948034c3a7d16bb93a4854006902a.jpg 496536;1392087379;mircea_popescu;o wait. haha. i was comparing facebook revenue with mpex net income attributed. 496537;1392087387;mircea_popescu;strike that. 496538;1392087403;mircea_popescu;facebook is trading 100x s.mpoe on 80% the revenue. 496539;1392087489;ThickAsThieves; thickasthieves how's that cryptocurrency social network you signed up for? <<<< they never activated my account 496540;1392087494;mircea_popescu;let's see what other lulzy comparisons we can find. is twitter even listed ? 496541;1392087515;mircea_popescu;"Twitter Shares Plummet 23% On Market Opening" 496542;1392087517;mircea_popescu;derp. 496543;1392087523;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1725 @ 0.00299358 = 5.1639 BTC [+] {13} 496544;1392087590;mircea_popescu;o look at that! -509.68-63.33-38.92-23.91-8.78 496545;1392087618;mircea_popescu;twitter lost 1 dollar per share in the LAST QUARTER 496546;1392087625;mircea_popescu;still trading at 50 per share. 496547;1392087638;KRS1;wow not many rly expected that 496548;1392087639;mircea_popescu;i wonder how well would a bitcoin company do that made a 2% loss 496549;1392087658;nubbins`;so cbc's olympic webcasts have all the pre-broadcast chatter that gets cut for tv 496550;1392087674;nubbins`;one commentator is talking about how the battery in his samsung phone dies really quick 496551;1392087677;mircea_popescu;ah this has been such a delicious excursion into fiat 496552;1392087692;nubbins`;they're now trying to figure out how to connect to the wifi 496553;1392087714;nubbins`;ah 496554;1392087717;nubbins`;the password is "media" 496555;1392087731;asciilifeform;nubbins`: does anyone still sell those toys that light up when illuminated by GSM nearby? 496556;1392087736;mircea_popescu;"o look at that, the network is not working anymore" 496557;1392087736;nubbins`;"in about 70 seconds, we are voicing to the web" lel 496558;1392087760;nubbins`;hmm, not sure 496559;1392087771;nubbins`;i think so! 496560;1392087783;asciilifeform;would make a good gift for mr. deadbattery 496561;1392087815;nubbins`;haha now one of them is coughing over the intro 496562;1392087921;asciilifeform;example: 496563;1392087922;asciilifeform;http://rookieelectronics.com/sensor-rf-radiation-detector/ 496564;1392087962;mircea_popescu;meanwhile google is trading at 1170 with ttm per share at about 38 496565;1392087977;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1170 / 700 496566;1392087977;gribble;1.67142857143 496567;1392087982;mircea_popescu;;;calc 38 / 700 496568;1392087982;gribble;0.0542857142857 496569;1392087989;ThickAsThieves;tsla almost hit 200 today 496570;1392088010;mircea_popescu;;;calc 0.0542857142857/1.67142857143 496571;1392088010;gribble;0.0324786324786 496572;1392088044;mircea_popescu;;;calc 0.0001010 / 0.0009022 496573;1392088044;gribble;0.111948570162 496574;1392088071;mircea_popescu;what is this ?! s.mpoe has 3x the per-share revenue of google ?! 496575;1392088072;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1500 @ 0.00075 = 1.125 BTC [-] {2} 496576;1392088074;asciilifeform;more elegant: 496577;1392088075;asciilifeform;http://www.creative-science.org.uk/mobile_LED.html 496578;1392088084;asciilifeform;(no pcb needed!) 496579;1392088133;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.00075 = 1.5 BTC [-] 496580;1392088139;nubbins`;haha, i like that 496581;1392088194;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1609 @ 0.0007505 = 1.2076 BTC [+] {3} 496582;1392088331;ozbot;RF Radiation Detector | Rookie Electronics 496583;1392088371;ozbot;The Creative Science Centre - by Dr Jonathan P. Hare 496584;1392088452;mircea_popescu;lol ozzie coming from behind 496585;1392088560;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 130 @ 0.00083527 = 0.1086 BTC [+] {2} 496586;1392088861;asciilifeform;if bugged cell phones were presided over by Meta-NSA instead of classic nsa, the buggers would store compressed audio and piss it out in bursts when plugged into the mains 496587;1392088874;asciilifeform;rather than the 'me battery died in 1/2 hr.' idiocy. 496588;1392088922;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if bugged landlines were presided over by the meta-kgb rather than the classic kgb you couldn't audibly detect the listener switching on. 496589;1392088931;asciilifeform;click-hiss 496590;1392089046;asciilifeform;sometimes click-hiss is the objective though. 496591;1392089079;mircea_popescu;$vwap s.mg 496592;1392089080;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: S.MG 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 0.00010006 high: 0.000125 low: 0.00010001 volume: 2902 btc: 0.290369 30 day: average: 0.000103 high: 0.000138 low: 0.00010001 volume: 35998 btc: 3.70795246 496593;1392089093;mircea_popescu;mike_c s.mg is practically trading at book. 496594;1392089150;asciilifeform;intimidation-by-botched-surveillance (or rumour thereof) 496595;1392089152;asciilifeform;works great 496596;1392089156;mike_c;too long withouta build. 496597;1392089174;asciilifeform;witness all the 'me toaster is bugged!!1!' saps on schneier's blog 496598;1392089251;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform those saps'd intimidate themselves with a coca cola cap. 496599;1392089269;mircea_popescu;mike_c prolly. 496600;1392089286;mircea_popescu;tbh maybe it's time to try a twitter. announce surprise half billion losses, see what happens 496601;1392089293;mike_c;hehe 496602;1392089306;Mats_cd03;i accidentally bought some s.mpoe at coinbr at 15% above the going rate 496603;1392089310;Mats_cd03;sad face 496604;1392089331;mike_c;? how did you manage that? or you mean it dipped? 496605;1392089340;Mats_cd03;i adjusted the price while i was high 496606;1392089344;Mats_cd03;rather than the number of shares 496607;1392089370;Mats_cd03;to account for an amount to pay for fees i wanted to leave a certain amount in my balance 496608;1392089413;Mats_cd03;...im still high 496609;1392089519;mike_c;i think you are. even if you overbid it would fill at the lowest ask. 496610;1392089537;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 496611;1392089542;Mats_cd03;i didn't know it did that 496612;1392089658;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 470 @ 0.00489268 = 2.2996 BTC [+] {6} 496613;1392089719;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 400 @ 0.00587999 = 2.352 BTC [+] {17} 496614;1392089837;Mats_cd03;the chart seems pretty clear 496615;1392090085;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.19376446 = 1.7439 BTC [+] 496616;1392090326;mircea_popescu;<Mats_cd03> i didn't know it did that < you have got to be kidding me. 496617;1392090355;Mats_cd03;well im pretty sure thats not true 496618;1392090378;mircea_popescu;so how much you paid per share ? 496619;1392090387;Mats_cd03;0.00093457 496620;1392090394;mircea_popescu;when was this ? 496621;1392090408;Mats_cd03;02/06/2014 01:28AM 496622;1392090438;mircea_popescu;i think it was actualy trading 90s on the 6th 496623;1392090465;Mats_cd03;ok 496624;1392090479;mircea_popescu;http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=S.MPOE < yeah set it to 1 month 496625;1392090480;ozbot;CoinBr Live S.MPOE 496626;1392090496;mircea_popescu;it dropped at like 9 am 496627;1392090574;Mats_cd03;oh bummer 496628;1392090589;mircea_popescu;you got the gift. 496629;1392090599;Mats_cd03;whats the gift 496630;1392090622;mircea_popescu;when you take a position in a trending stock only for the trend to immediately and abruptly reverse. 496631;1392090640;Mats_cd03;oh im ok with that 496632;1392090658;KRS1;just do the opposite =D 496633;1392090672;Mats_cd03;im about to buy some more 496634;1392090678;mircea_popescu;it's basically being the bane of hipsters. 496635;1392090706;Mats_cd03;is it cause youre abrasive? 496636;1392090714;mircea_popescu;hm ? 496637;1392090721;Mats_cd03;oh i must have misunderstood you 496638;1392090734;mircea_popescu;you're being the bane of hipsters. cause you got the gift of trendbreaking 496639;1392090741;Mats_cd03;o 496640;1392090756;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1239 = 0.3717 BTC [+] 496641;1392090760;mircea_popescu;hipsters are trend followers see. 496642;1392090766;Mats_cd03;that was too much for me 496643;1392090802;mircea_popescu;also, if anyone is looking for homework, http://trilema.com/2014/no-its-not-the-revenue/ 496644;1392090813;KRS1;kickass bikini bridge: http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-01/enhanced/webdr06/7/16/enhanced-buzz-26854-1389129172-12.jpg 496645;1392090815;mike_c;hehe. expect comment soon 496646;1392090823;KRS1;check out that mound 496647;1392090874;mircea_popescu;lmao 4chan had an advertising campaign 496648;1392090887;mircea_popescu;that bitch's hawt. 496649;1392090949;KRS1;yeah they wanted to spin bridges into a big thing by doubling down on both sides of the pros/cons 496650;1392090951;KRS1;lmao 496651;1392090993;mircea_popescu;http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-to-suspend-pension-retirement-funding-lew-2014-02-10-1591162?link=MW_latest_news 496652;1392090995;ozbot;U.S. to suspend pension, retirement funding: Lew - MarketWatch 496653;1392091000;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00489996 = 0.49 BTC [+] 496654;1392091006;mircea_popescu;whoa baby. no more pensions/retirement benefits for you us people, is it ? 496655;1392091013;KRS1;the fuck? 496656;1392091019;KRS1;no..can't.. 496657;1392091027;KRS1;they've paid into it 496658;1392091033;mircea_popescu;derp. 496659;1392091040;mircea_popescu;full faith and credit bitch. suck it. 496660;1392091061;KRS1;ITS HAPPEN.. wtf evar 496661;1392091076;mircea_popescu;next time pay it into bitcoin. 496662;1392091093;KRS1;I'm thinking about fleeing to maybe new zealand..idk.. can't seem to settle on some part of the world that isn't or won't be fucked up in some way. 496663;1392091135;mircea_popescu;the serenissima welcomes you wherever you go. 496664;1392091166;KRS1;i'm pretty resourceful..worse comes to worse I can live off the land somewhere remote..or even better dump all my savings into a sizable yacht and live life as a mariner. 496665;1392091178;mircea_popescu;so the us is restructuring its foreign debt after all huh 496666;1392091202;asciilifeform;dreamed a while ago that looking out the window, no traffic. asked some bum, 'why', he answers 'dontcha know, it's The Holiday, finally happened' 496667;1392091233;KRS1;some major financial moves started weeks ago 496668;1392091255;mircea_popescu;KRS1 yeah but the thing with large moves is that nobody believes it 496669;1392091261;mircea_popescu;like say the california quake 496670;1392091292;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that sounds like it could be on a beatles song 496671;1392091321;asciilifeform;methinks 'the holiday' is as good a name as any for that event. 496672;1392091344;mircea_popescu;Social Security being shut down for 62 hours starting 2/15/14 496673;1392091355;mircea_popescu;o look, the chinese "computer upgrades" have made their way into the us 496674;1392091375;asciilifeform;and like the earthquake, most folks only 'believe' the dead lights, backed up toilets, disappeared heat 496675;1392091387;asciilifeform;seismograph? pfft. 496676;1392091397;mircea_popescu;graphs lie 496677;1392092830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14347 @ 0.00085261 = 12.2324 BTC [-] {2} 496678;1392093196;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 203 @ 0.0055 = 1.1165 BTC 496679;1392096673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00085254 = 4.6463 BTC [-] 496680;1392098442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00085254 = 8.0991 BTC [-] 496681;1392098930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00085196 = 23.8975 BTC [-] {2} 496682;1392099071;MisterE;afternoon 496683;1392099106;MisterE;so much for Trollbox world-is-ending spammers, already back to 700 496684;1392099160;MisterE;how japanese to blame an unrelated and known btc bug for their own crappy internal wallet management 496685;1392099185;MisterE;Asia saves face at all cost 496686;1392099189;MisterE;so cant be trusted 496687;1392100638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 496688;1392101675;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 131 @ 0.0055 = 0.7205 BTC 496689;1392103566;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7500 @ 0.0001899 = 1.4243 BTC [-] {4} 496690;1392103627;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.0001899 = 0.4748 BTC [-] 496691;1392103871;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.0001899 = 0.9495 BTC [-] 496692;1392104069;kakobrekla;moaning 496693;1392104116;Testing123;okay what was with those 400-500 puts that were sold 496694;1392104176;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7500 @ 0.0001899 = 1.4243 BTC [-] {2} 496695;1392104278;Testing123;.1BTC lot with 500 usd strike @ .486 BTC / lot 496696;1392104292;kakobrekla;what about them 496697;1392104499;Testing123;under which circumstance does this seller profit? 496698;1392104677;Testing123;1 BTC must increase above $5000 usd? 496699;1392105018;kakobrekla;roughly 496700;1392105043;ColdHardMetal;that seems...ambitious. 496701;1392105064;kakobrekla;glbse seemed ambitious as well 496702;1392105090;ColdHardMetal;fair enough. 496703;1392105129;kakobrekla;eh im just busting balls 496704;1392105151;ColdHardMetal;no worries. 496705;1392105259;MisterE;were most of you trading before BTC? 496706;1392105259;Testing123;can anyone care to explain to me the purpose of writing the puts? perhaps i just sold a very big amount of btc for fiat? 496707;1392105309;MisterE;puts are oders the execute at a certian price right? 496708;1392105313;Testing123;and by lower case i, I mean the seller of puts 496709;1392105329;MisterE;the/that* 496710;1392105362;Apocalyptic;puts give you the right to sell an underlying asset at a certain price 496711;1392105446;Testing123;and someone sold the right to sell BTC for 5000USD 496712;1392105518;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43397 @ 0.00085254 = 36.9977 BTC [+] 496713;1392105560;Testing123;baffles me. ill 496714;1392105574;Testing123;go ponder 496715;1392105631;dub;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456859.msg5042897#msg5042897 496716;1392105633;ozbot;Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum? 496717;1392105647;dub;best post 496718;1392106653;BingoBoingo;Altcoin is going to the moon it seems... https://openex.pw/index.php?page=trade&market=111 496719;1392106673;BingoBoingo;575 satoshis 496720;1392108017;KRS1;http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/cryptocurrency-news-round-protests-mt-gox-dogecoin-hits-wall-street-1435775 496721;1392108027;ozbot;Cryptocurrency News Round-Up: Protests at Mt Gox as Dogecoin Hits Wall Street 496722;1392109171;BingoBoingo;In the meantime, Altcoin traded for 575 satoshis, which is a mark I don't think Doge ever reached 496723;1392109408;KRS1;BingoBoingo: Altcoin never reached mainstream exchanges. 496724;1392109416;KRS1;Who cares if nobody buys it. 496725;1392109455;KRS1;Price set by market maker..pfft. 496726;1392109455;BingoBoingo;KRS1: It's on one really shady exchange. Eventually it will make it to bigger, yet still shady exchanges. It is the way two cans and a string works 496727;1392109475;BingoBoingo;.bait 496728;1392109477;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m97g99vJRL1rtf70go1_500.jpg 496729;1392109495;KRS1;Oofuh thats some milker titty there. 496730;1392109515;BingoBoingo;KRS1: See two cans? Just add string. 496731;1392109515;KRS1;Hmm so now might be a good time to throw some btc in for some atc eh 496732;1392109521;KRS1;Yep 496733;1392109543;KRS1;Is it SHA256? 496734;1392109558;KRS1;nvm I'll read up 496735;1392109575;KRS1;Do you think now might be a good time to throw some btc in for some atc? 496736;1392109592;BingoBoingo;It's SHA256, so you can point your mega 400 GH/s Buttfury at Altcoin solo instead of mining for some oversized bitcoin pool. 496737;1392109604;BingoBoingo;Who know when a good time to buy or sell is. 496738;1392109628;BingoBoingo;This is altcoin. Maybe everytime is a good time to buy? Maybe everytime is a good time to sell? 496739;1392109700;KRS1;I feel yah..hmm never mined solo. 496740;1392109858;KRS1;hah ya i see why the price is where it is..the coin is scarce..once theres more supply its going to drop like a bitch. 496741;1392109969;BingoBoingo;Maybe drop, Maybe Moon? What does "is" mean anyways. 496742;1392110095;KRS1;Domino's Pizza and foods have made major improvements. I was impressed last time I ordered from there. 496743;1392110520;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0489 = 0.978 BTC [+] 496744;1392110552;Namworld;##mtgox-otc 496745;1392110570;Namworld;arf 496746;1392110580;Namworld;Missed a /join there 496747;1392110607;Namworld;KRS1, Domino's online ordering is amazing. Especially the coupons they offer. 496748;1392110607;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 496749;1392111130;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04760001 = 0.238 BTC [-] 496750;1392111191;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] 496751;1392112412;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.19376446 = 9.6882 BTC [+] 496752;1392112832;cazalla;i wouldn't eat domino's if you gave it to me for free 496753;1392112863;cazalla;better to spend $40 on quality instead of that cardboard $6 crap 496754;1392112900;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 496755;1392113050;KRS1;the point was it has improved a lot 496756;1392113074;KRS1;Namworld: I love the color scheme 496757;1392113083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.00019489 = 0.7796 BTC [+] {2} 496758;1392113114;KRS1;Their food made papa johns taste like ass, which it does. They seemed to have taken the lead there. 496759;1392113266;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.12491249 = 0.9993 BTC [+] {7} 496760;1392113327;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00085045 = 22.707 BTC [-] {2} 496761;1392113328;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.127 = 0.254 BTC [+] 496762;1392114120;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25950 @ 0.00085018 = 22.0622 BTC [-] {2} 496763;1392114255;KRS1;.bait 496764;1392114257;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/6d29d3894d2c7dfef788a67a1154d7c5/tumblr_mqkbyjl1tG1stmlapo1_1280.jpg 496765;1392114272;KRS1;Milf. 496766;1392114273;KRS1;.bait 496767;1392114275;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/42d48377996169dc85c91ac42383550b/tumblr_mv4gm0XznN1swclmpo1_500.jpg 496768;1392114287;KRS1;Fap fap. 496769;1392114852;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 18 @ 0.05509994 = 0.9918 BTC [-] {3} 496770;1392115048;PsychoticBoy;SO...... hopefully you guys were not stupid enough to have any funds on cox 496771;1392115065;KRS1;lmao! ya..nobody in this chat room I'm sure. 496772;1392115078;PsychoticBoy;nobody is a big word 496773;1392115095;PsychoticBoy;That is what I thought, but then I heard ppl cry 496774;1392115100;PsychoticBoy;so I was wrong 496775;1392115103;KRS1;eh 496776;1392115171;PsychoticBoy;some are stupid enough, prob not in this channel but overall there are enough ppl who were miljonair and are now broke :) 496777;1392115226;KRS1;Haha 496778;1392115253;KRS1;sux for them 496779;1392115263;punkman;they wanted the gox premium, they got it 496780;1392115273;KRS1;Haha well put 496781;1392115313;cazalla;wonder if anyone necked themselves 496782;1392115368;KRS1;Makes you think, huh 496783;1392115388;KRS1;Gotta have brass balls and a 10ft dick if you go hard into trading. 496784;1392115479;cazalla;surely there are some whales who held large amounts of coin there 496785;1392115490;cazalla;if you come from wealth, it wouldn't be so bad but imagine getting so lucky to have a couple million $ in coins only to have likely lost it on gox now 496786;1392115594;cazalla;"eazy come, eazy go" - eazy e 496787;1392115596;cazalla;as for domino's, i was speaking to the australian version, nfi what american domino's is like 496788;1392116339;MisterE;haha punkman they got cold Goxed 496789;1392116743;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 263 @ 0.00300372 = 0.79 BTC [+] {2} 496790;1392116804;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 332 @ 0.00301014 = 0.9994 BTC [+] {2} 496791;1392117109;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0055 = 1.1 BTC 496792;1392117658;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 32 @ 0.06920941 = 2.2147 BTC [-] {6} 496793;1392118451;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0735 = 0.2205 BTC [+] {2} 496794;1392118452;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12221001 = 0.2444 BTC [-] 496795;1392118512;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 496796;1392118695;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [+] 496797;1392119061;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.05509994 = 0.1102 BTC [-] 496798;1392120281;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00302852 = 0.3029 BTC [+] 496799;1392120525;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.57100003 = 2.284 BTC [-] 496800;1392121318;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0055 = 0.165 BTC 496801;1392121501;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02520371 = 0.1512 BTC [+] 496802;1392123819;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+] 496803;1392123941;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 496804;1392123942;ThickAsThieves;mircea_popescu http://blog.coinbase.com/post/76315615202/coinbase-partners-with-fiverr-first-large-services 496805;1392123944;ThickAsThieves;hehe 496806;1392124368;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.131 BTC [+] 496807;1392124992;nubbins`;it's a lovely day to be ignorant! 496808;1392125032;ThickAsThieves;;;later tell herbijudlestoids pools typically give you shares and those lead to coins when someone in the pool solves a block. 496809;1392125032;gribble;The operation succeeded. 496810;1392125222;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2831 @ 0.00019496 = 0.5519 BTC [+] {3} 496811;1392125588;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18285 @ 0.00085289 = 15.5951 BTC [+] {2} 496812;1392125649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15615 @ 0.00085504 = 13.3514 BTC [+] {2} 496813;1392126043;ThickAsThieves;http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-as-safe-as-wire-transfers-says-ny-hedge-fund/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CoinDesk+%28CoinDesk+-+The+Voice+of+Digital+Currency%29 496814;1392127113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00085558 = 29.9453 BTC [+] {2} 496815;1392127723;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02521051 = 0.2521 BTC [+] {2} 496816;1392127784;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 496817;1392128211;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 600 @ 0.0001949 = 0.1169 BTC [-] 496818;1392128394;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.07607142 = 0.5325 BTC [-] {4} 496819;1392128724;KRS1;coindesk 496820;1392129065;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 496821;1392130224;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.071 = 0.142 BTC [-] {2} 496822;1392130225;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.124 BTC [-] 496823;1392130226;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 496824;1392130346;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 41 @ 0.02520903 = 1.0336 BTC [-] {8} 496825;1392130773;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12525 = 0.2505 BTC [+] {2} 496826;1392130953;azi`;too lazy to check.. is there a bet on bitbets about gox not returning funds? 496827;1392131027;kakobrekla;http://bitbet.us/bet/751/mtgox-out-of-business-in-2014/ 496828;1392131029;ozbot;BitBet - MtGox out of business in 2014 496829;1392131032;kakobrekla;i guess this is the closest 496830;1392131059;azi`;i didn't even considered this could be a bet as well 496831;1392131122;ThickAsThieves;so apparently black people invented punk now too? http://www.npr.org/blogs/allsongs/2014/02/10/274180682/song-premiere-death-north-street 496832;1392132908;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.05509994 = 0.1102 BTC [-] 496833;1392133335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00085559 = 11.0799 BTC [+] 496834;1392133396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00085637 = 5.8661 BTC [+] 496835;1392133739;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: didn't invent it, just brought it to america ;D 496836;1392133751;nubbins`;death + bad brains 496837;1392133854;ThickAsThieves;death reall aint bad 496838;1392133880;nubbins`;haven't honestly heard of them until just now, but i've been on a big BB kick lately, so i think i'm gonna download some 496839;1392133896;ThickAsThieves;it's kinda clash-y 496840;1392133924;ThickAsThieves;i wonder how things wouldve turned out if theywere white 496841;1392133931;nubbins`;nod 496842;1392133941;nubbins`;it's funny, death started as r&b and bad brains started as jazz fusion 496843;1392134063;nubbins`;http://static.exoclick.com/banners/129744/1-ENGLISHGIF51_120X600.gif 496844;1392134067;Apocalyptic;rofl openex uses google analytics 496845;1392134068;nubbins`;"our women are tired of boys" 496846;1392134076;Apocalyptic;altcoin really hit the best exchange 496847;1392134081;nubbins`;they're also tired of suppressing their tourette's, apparently 496848;1392134736;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/altcoin/comments/1xmckc/the_real_altcoin/ 496849;1392134807;ozbot;The REAL Altcoin : altcoin 496850;1392134841;nubbins`;the price will only go up! 496851;1392134868;mike_c;it's virtually priceless. 496852;1392134935;ThickAsThieves;i replaced lines there 496853;1392135076;nubbins`;aww, just as i was about to ask whether it was officially a pump and dump now 496854;1392135104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00085637 = 4.8813 BTC [+] 496855;1392135161;nubbins`;http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-as-safe-as-wire-transfers-says-ny-hedge-fund/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CoinDesk+%28CoinDesk+-+The+Voice+of+Digital+Currency%29 496856;1392135165;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00047498 = 0.475 BTC [+] {2} 496857;1392135183;Apocalyptic;"as-safe-as-wire-transfers" is an understatement 496858;1392135226;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12666666 = 0.38 BTC [+] {3} 496859;1392135281;mike_c;nubbins`: have you seen this guy's post? a counter-argument to altcoin is a bad thing. 496860;1392135283;mike_c;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4932912#msg4932912 496861;1392135286;ozbot;[SHA256] Altcoin 496862;1392135297;nubbins`;usurprisingly, i haven't :D 496863;1392135326;mike_c;yes, who would want to see evidence of a valid opposing viewpoint? :) 496864;1392135340;nubbins`;who would want to read a thread about altcoin? ;p 496865;1392135356;nubbins`;anyway, he makes valid points, but nothing atc-specific 496866;1392135364;Apocalyptic;ThickAsThieves, don't you think you're pushing this joke too far ? 496867;1392135378;nubbins`;"I choose ... ATC as well, a school, a place where I can screw up and have a do-over. As someone well aware that he is absolutely not qualified to host yet another Bitcoin exchange or other high-value, high-risk site, ATC seems a fine lab environment to write code around a tiny blockchain, create wallets, sites, services" 496868;1392135424;mike_c;exactly. everybody loses money when learning cryptocurrency. i wish i had lost some ATC instead of BTC when learning. 496869;1392135480;nubbins`;the guy's argument is essentially that ATC is the new testnet 496870;1392135492;nubbins`;if only btc had one of those 496871;1392135504;ThickAsThieves;Apocalyptic why can't it just be what it is? 496872;1392135515;ThickAsThieves;doesnt need to be a joke or a pump n dump 496873;1392135515;Apocalyptic;it obviously can 496874;1392135547;nubbins`;heh. 496875;1392135565;nubbins`;wait, so it's not a joke anymore? 496876;1392135567;nubbins`;that was fast 496877;1392135575;mike_c;i feel a herbirage coming on. 496878;1392135577;ThickAsThieves;it just happened 496879;1392135586;ThickAsThieves;there was no plan to swindle 496880;1392135593;ThickAsThieves;and we're all enjoying it mostly 496881;1392135598;ThickAsThieves;so fuckit 496882;1392135614;jurov;so you'll be more liberal in accepting various patches? 496883;1392135628;ThickAsThieves;? 496884;1392135643;jborkl;did it get listed on a echange? 496885;1392135643;jurov;i have multi-vag ..er.. multi-wallet patch for bitcoind pending 496886;1392135653;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.57645688 = 5.1881 BTC [+] {4} 496887;1392135655;nubbins`;hmm, i've heard this "freakin' out" song before 496888;1392135655;ThickAsThieves;cool 496889;1392135656;jborkl;exchange 496890;1392135662;nubbins`;death is actually really good 496891;1392135665;nubbins`;i'm enjoying this 496892;1392135668;jurov;would it stand a chance? 496893;1392135670;ThickAsThieves;it's listed at openex.pw 496894;1392135674;ThickAsThieves;https://openex.pw/index.php?page=trade&market=111 496895;1392135677;ozbot;OpenEx 496896;1392135679;ThickAsThieves;proceed with caution 496897;1392135705;ThickAsThieves;the exchange is open source 496898;1392135705;mike_c;better exchange is otc order book or #altcoin 496899;1392135714;ThickAsThieves;that works too 496900;1392135728;Apocalyptic;to da moon 496901;1392135775;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.128 = 0.256 BTC [+] {2} 496902;1392135777;davout;i'll add ATC to bitcoin-central, just as a troll to litecoiners 496903;1392135791;mike_c;make sure you buy some first ;) 496904;1392135793;ThickAsThieves;sweet 496905;1392135797;ThickAsThieves;hehe 496906;1392135818;ThickAsThieves;it's already going for like 500sat 496907;1392135827;davout;srs business 496908;1392135830;nubbins`;oh, wait, i've TOTALLY heard these guys before. 496909;1392135834;nubbins`;where do we go from here! 496910;1392135845;davout;nubbins`: TO. THE. MOON. 496911;1392135862;nubbins`;davout, i'm quoting lyrics now ;( 496912;1392135868;nubbins`;although i guess that is where we go from here 496913;1392135894;jurov;damn, you got me hinking srsly about possible capital requirements to X.ATC 496914;1392135900;ThickAsThieves;don;t forget to upvote the reddit then 496915;1392135904;ThickAsThieves;;) 496916;1392135905;davout;altcoin is good and sound money 496917;1392135906;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/altcoin/comments/1xmckc/the_real_altcoin/ 496918;1392135907;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: thanks, i never would have found this band on my own 496919;1392135909;davout;made from 0.8 496920;1392135912;davout;to the moon 496921;1392135918;davout;the atc haiku 496922;1392135928;ThickAsThieves;NPR knows what's up sometimes 496923;1392135939;nubbins`;from what i understand, it's like the american CBC 496924;1392135958;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.126 BTC [-] 496925;1392135959;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 496926;1392135964;ThickAsThieves;it's arguably one of the last real news providers we have 496927;1392136014;ThickAsThieves;reddit is exploding macbooks now too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcl6BV1r3gU 496928;1392136075;jurov;why macbooks? they caught stealthcoin? 496929;1392136111;ThickAsThieves;cuz apple 496930;1392136128;ThickAsThieves;cuz culture 496931;1392136212;nubbins`;cuz buying something and breaking it hurts the company that made it 496932;1392136342;HeySteve;it's a Statement 496933;1392136350;HeySteve;like listening to certain musics 496934;1392136361;ThickAsThieves;or using words 496935;1392136364;HeySteve;or having one of those haircuts 496936;1392136529;diametric;pankkake: heard you were giving away leet amounts of ATC 496937;1392136542;pankkake;no, mircea_popescu does 496938;1392136580;mike_c;pankkake is atc broker to the stars 496939;1392136609;nubbins`;^ 496940;1392136621;nubbins`;HeySteve, haircuts are for suckers 496941;1392136663;diametric;damn i have to work for my atc i guess 496942;1392136665;nubbins`;real men cut their own hair 496943;1392136683;diametric;i just shave my head, hair is overrated 496944;1392136691;diametric;its annoying and pointless 496945;1392136695;nubbins`;my clippers are fucked, can't use them anymore 496946;1392136709;nubbins`;can you sharpen those, i wonder? 496947;1392136764;ThickAsThieves;probly cheaper to by anew 496948;1392136774;ThickAsThieves;buy 496949;1392136780;nubbins`;TBF they're like $20 clippers 496950;1392136787;nubbins`;altho apparently all i need is a sharpening stone 496951;1392136827;nubbins`;job for this evening 496952;1392136840;nubbins`;i haven't shaved my face with a razor in about four years and i'm not about to start again 496953;1392136847;Asa9;i have my wife give me crew cuts and she does my beard 496954;1392136873;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 496955;1392136934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00085559 = 17.8818 BTC [-] {2} 496956;1392136940;HeySteve;haircuts are a waste of time 496957;1392136953;HeySteve;I stick my head in a bonfire for a few seconds, all done 496958;1392137245;jurov;iirc orthodox do jews use some kind of acid to get shaved kosher (it's forbidden to use blades) 496959;1392137256;jurov;no need to make bonfires 496960;1392137300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45838 @ 0.00085242 = 39.0732 BTC [-] {3} 496961;1392137310;jurov;or they don't shave at all, ofc 496962;1392137605;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 400 @ 0.00083265 = 0.3331 BTC [+] {4} 496963;1392137910;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.19376446 = 1.7439 BTC [+] 496964;1392137971;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40910887 BTC to 1`469 shares, 95923 satoshi per share 496965;1392138275;twizt;j #hexs 496966;1392138337;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 503 @ 0.00300101 = 1.5095 BTC [-] {3} 496967;1392138338;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0689 = 0.2756 BTC [-] {2} 496968;1392139078;HeySteve2; iirc orthodox do jews use some kind of acid to get shaved kosher (it's forbidden to use blades) <- I guess that's why they call them... acidic Jews hoho 496969;1392139191;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.04776011 = 1.4328 BTC [-] {4} 496970;1392139252;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.07202354 = 1.2964 BTC [+] {10} 496971;1392139253;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [-] 496972;1392139254;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 496973;1392139374;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0739 = 0.1478 BTC [+] {2} 496974;1392139618;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.05509995 = 0.3306 BTC [+] 496975;1392139817;ThickAsThieves;lol 496976;1392139862;Asa9;lol acidic jews 496977;1392139897;Asa9;For a fun time, take LSD and study the Talmud! 496978;1392139902;Asa9;fun time had by all! 496979;1392140126;ThickAsThieves;removes stains! 496980;1392140228;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12400004 = 0.496 BTC [-] 496981;1392140410;ThickAsThieves;smart guys, sony http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/11/5401084/sony-mp3-player-comes-inside-bottle-of-water 496982;1392140432;davout;ThickAsThieves: that's old news, it's like what, six hours old 496983;1392140500;KRS1;ThickAsThieves: hidejo kids, hide yo wife, hide yo ATC, doge comin fo ya 496984;1392140505;KRS1;headed to 300 now 496985;1392140514;ThickAsThieves;hehe 496986;1392140936;ThickAsThieves;http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/11/j-p-morgan-weighs-in-on-bitcoin/?mod=WSJBlog 496987;1392140937;ozbot;J.P. Morgan Weighs In on Bitcoin - MoneyBeat - WSJ 496988;1392140953;ThickAsThieves;"At the risk of sounding like a luddite unable to recognize the transformative effects of evolving technologies –– bitcoin looks like an innovation worth limiting exposure to." 496989;1392140970;ThickAsThieves;“As a medium of exchange, unit of account and store of value, it is vastly inferior to fiat currencies. 496990;1392141011;ThickAsThieves;“With fixed supply, bitcoin’s deflationary bias should also be clear. That quality serves owners well when exchanging into foreign currency, but it would be onerous for any economy operating with it as legal tender. Indeed Weimar Germany was unpleasant, but so was the Great Depression.” 496991;1392141294;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1xmf8u/i_just_launched_a_new_exchange_for_gox_btc_real/ 496992;1392141295;ozbot;I just launched a new exchange for Gox BTC <=> Real BTC : Bitcoin 496993;1392141321;ThickAsThieves;"1GOXBTC=583.00USD" 496994;1392141333;ThickAsThieves;gox is so bad they are a fork now 496995;1392141378;Majjiok;what a joke 496996;1392141387;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33200 @ 0.00085599 = 28.4189 BTC [+] 496997;1392141837;KRS1;wow 496998;1392142016;ThickAsThieves;an amazing thing happened to me today, i made a controversial comment on a local news website, when they deleted it, i left another comment asking why they deleted my reasonable questions. They restored my original comment and deleted the new one. 496999;1392142016;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 497000;1392142076;KRS1;dudes..big problems 497001;1392142115;KRS1;so like this mallebility problem, manifesting as ddos now but its not ddos it seems it could be coming from the network itself. 497002;1392142166;Majjiok;https://www.bitstamp.net/article/bitcoin-withdraws-suspended/ 497003;1392142167;ozbot;Bitcoin withdrawal processing suspended - Bitstamp 497004;1392142167;Majjiok;buy buy buy 497005;1392142221;KRS1;tx vulnerability ogeeze 497006;1392142266;KRS1;SOMEONE GET FONTAS ON THE RED PHONE!!! Find out where Wolong is!! Get the helicopters warmed up! 497007;1392142279;ThickAsThieves;bitstamp got goxed 497008;1392142291;ThickAsThieves;great 497009;1392142380;Majjiok;ThickAsThieves: this is probably the best buying opportunity since the fork in early 2013 497010;1392142414;twizt;pretty sure its heading lower 497011;1392142439;punkman1;distributed goxing 497012;1392142443;ThickAsThieves;probly 497013;1392142448;ThickAsThieves;but you never know 497014;1392142497;twizt;close above 635 = bullish 497015;1392142501;twizt;otherwise down down down 497016;1392142506;KRS1;.bait 497017;1392142508;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0l6c05vjl1qf0gljo1_500.jpg 497018;1392142515;KRS1;.bait 497019;1392142517;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19h4bXMmR1qk6jw7o1_500.jpg 497020;1392142533;KRS1;When the going gets tough, the tough gets FAPPing. 497021;1392142540;twizt;lol 497022;1392142548;twizt;only took 2 bait that time? 497023;1392142553;KRS1;fap fap fap! 497024;1392142607;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.071 = 0.142 BTC [-] 497025;1392142608;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12400004 = 0.248 BTC [-] 497026;1392142609;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 497027;1392142624;Majjiok;ThickAsThieves: sorry, what "you never know"? 497028;1392142734;ThickAsThieves;anything can happen 497029;1392142751;ThickAsThieves;maybe bitstamp opens again in 1 hour 497030;1392142753;ThickAsThieves;i dunno 497031;1392142779;Majjiok;ThickAsThieves: well, price is plummeting right bnow 497032;1392142820;ThickAsThieves;well ive been selling ;) 497033;1392143114;TomServo;ThickAsThieves | 1Enjoy1C4bYBr3tN4sMKxvvJDqG8NkdR4Z is sending random dust to me << I'm seeing that as well, a couple from 1Sochi too 497034;1392143136;Majjiok;TomServo: that guy is sending dust to everybody 497035;1392143159;TomServo;Majjiok: What's the story there? 497036;1392143187;Majjiok;TomServo: that's something that has been happening forever. Its probably a tracking attempt. 497037;1392143206;Majjiok;When you'll spend that dust, the address that received it will be linked to other addresses owned by you 497038;1392143249;Majjiok;so the sender of the dust will be effectively able to determine that one single person/entity controls that set of addresses 497039;1392143255;TomServo;Interesting. Is there a way to prevent spending the dust? 497040;1392143278;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 182 @ 0.0008343 = 0.1518 BTC [+] 497041;1392143315;pankkake;yes. clients like Armory, the Coin Control patch for bitcoin-qt… 497042;1392143368;Majjiok;exactly. Coin control, which just means that you get to choose from what addresses you are going to spend the coins - thus you can avoid spending coins from the address in which you have received the "tracking device" :) 497043;1392143479;ThickAsThieves;not exactly practical 497044;1392143508;Majjiok;Anyhow: if you are worried about privacy then you should always use Tor with Bitcoin-QT, plus coinjoin/mixing for most of your transactions. By default is very easy to link addresses owned by the same person. 497045;1392143522;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.0001899 = 0.7596 BTC [-] 497046;1392143760;punkman;btc-e fixed themselves: https://twitter.com/btcecom/statuses/433279984614899712 497047;1392143888;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 11709 @ 0.00018984 = 2.2228 BTC [-] {4} 497048;1392144254;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.126 BTC [+] 497049;1392144353;deadweasel;punkman: those comments don't agree with their 'fix' 497050;1392144472;dexX7;litecoin withdrawals seem not to be affected 497051;1392144551;Majjiok;dexX7: because no body is spamming the LTC network with modified transactions 497052;1392144571;punkman;someone in the trollbox said they couldn't withdraw LTC either 497053;1392144595;the20year3;Have any bitcoin based securities issued PPMs? 497054;1392144657;benkay;not to my knowlege, the20year3, but I haven't read *everything* yet 497055;1392144985;Jere_Jones;PPM? 497056;1392144985;the20year3;Back in july it seemed a few companies were going to have lawyer-drafted ones, but they never came out, we should have ours out in 10 days, so i'm curious why no one else had them 497057;1392144987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12400004 BTC [-] 497058;1392144988;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 497059;1392144996;the20year3;private placement memorandum, what the SEC wants to take investment 497060;1392145005;Jere_Jones;ty 497061;1392145108;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0058001 = 0.145 BTC [+] 497062;1392145110;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12400004 BTC [-] 497063;1392145111;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 497064;1392145144;pankkake;http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=3264 497065;1392145145;ozbot;Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal 497066;1392145625;benkay;because most bitcoin-soliciting "securities" are either a) actually scams or b) don't give two shits about the US regulatory landscape. 497067;1392145840;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.07041 = 0.7041 BTC [-] {3} 497068;1392145901;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.06967726 = 1.5329 BTC [-] {5} 497069;1392146213;jurov;!t m s.mpoe 497070;1392146214;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00084969 / 0.00085555 / 0.00086193 (821245 shares, 702.62 BTC), 7D: 0.00082189 / 0.00086903 / 0.00093912 (6351344 shares, 5,519.55 BTC), 30D: 0.00082189 / 0.00090299 / 0.00101414 (26633262 shares, 24,049.67 BTC) 497071;1392146218;jurov;!t m s.bbet 497072;1392146218;assbot;[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00062099 / 0.00062099 / 0.00062299 (9360 shares, 5.81 BTC), 30D: 0.0006 / 0.00069705 / 0.0009 (16002 shares, 11.15 BTC) 497073;1392146572;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] 200 @ 0.00060598 = 0.1212 BTC [-] 497074;1392147304;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 497075;1392147848;benkay;!t h rent 497076;1392147848;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (3640 shares, 20.02000000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (28629 shares, 157.45950000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (28629 shares, 157.45950000 BTC) 497077;1392147862;benkay;;;ticker --market btcavg 497078;1392147863;gribble;BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 649.2, Best ask: 650.23, Bid-ask spread: 1.03000, Last trade: 649.78, 24 hour volume: 81639.42, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 690.66 497079;1392147879;benkay;;;calc 157.5 * 690.66 497080;1392147879;gribble;108778.95 497081;1392147928;mike_c;hardly seems worth the effort for 100k 497082;1392148219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00578999 = 0.579 BTC [-] 497083;1392149012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00085733 = 23.9195 BTC [+] {2} 497084;1392149301;benkay;that's three whole houses, man. 497085;1392149312;benkay;scale of ambition, i tell ya... 497086;1392149683;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 183 @ 0.00578999 = 1.0596 BTC [-] 497087;1392150232;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 122 @ 0.00367499 = 0.4483 BTC [-] {6} 497088;1392151208;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00086078 = 20.5726 BTC [+] {3} 497089;1392151818;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 51 @ 0.00476201 = 0.2429 BTC [-] {3} 497090;1392151880;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0694 = 0.2082 BTC [-] 497091;1392151940;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.126 BTC [+] 497092;1392152245;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 67 @ 0.52118682 = 34.9195 BTC [-] {31} 497093;1392152306;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.49675294 = 8.4448 BTC [-] {7} 497094;1392152368;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1255 BTC [-] 497095;1392152369;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 497096;1392152550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0721 = 0.1442 BTC [+] 497097;1392152673;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1251 BTC [-] 497098;1392152674;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 497099;1392152830;benkay;is this really a ddos? 497100;1392152844;benkay;this transaction diddling thing that someone's engaging in? 497101;1392152850;benkay;and what scale is it actually occuring on? 497102;1392152855;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00578999 = 0.579 BTC [-] 497103;1392152866;mod6;hard to know for sure. 497104;1392152917;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56 BTC [+] 497105;1392152941;jurov;coinroll got hit, it was about 3 of 50 transactions 497106;1392153081;the20year3;with what, maleability? 497107;1392153099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.00086198 = 31.0313 BTC [+] {3} 497108;1392153104;jurov;yes. but as one can't withdraw from there until all deposits get confirmed 497109;1392153115;jurov;it was just matter of cleaning up 497110;1392153132;BingoBoingo;benkay: It is mostly people not understanding what parts of transaction matter (inputs, outputs, and signature) and parts the network couldn't care less about (txid hash) 497111;1392153160;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1981 @ 0.003 = 5.943 BTC [-] 497112;1392153166;jurov;not even that 497113;1392153173;jurov;kjust track spent inputs 497114;1392153180;Apocalyptic;^ 497115;1392153237;BingoBoingo;Once shit gets mined, then maybe care more about a txid 497116;1392153327;pankkake;https://torrentfreak.com/how-pirate-bay-came-close-to-hosting-on-north-korean-soil-140211/ 497117;1392153953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00086346 = 27.8034 BTC [+] {2} 497118;1392153954;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12500001 BTC [-] 497119;1392153955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 497120;1392154076;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [-] 497121;1392154077;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 497122;1392154078;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1086 @ 0.00018235 = 0.198 BTC [-] {2} 497123;1392154136;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4489 @ 0.00018234 = 0.8185 BTC [-] 497124;1392154605;nubbins`;epic finds at the record store today 497125;1392154620;nubbins`;black sabbath's first album, primus, and a talking heads live double lp 497126;1392154658;Duffer1;i didn't primus had vinyl 497127;1392154663;Duffer1;which one is it? 497128;1392154766;nubbins`;seas of cheese 497129;1392154768;nubbins`;they had 3 or 4 497130;1392154790;nubbins`;shit gets reissued all the time on vinyl too, hard to keep track 497131;1392154810;Duffer1;wtb tales from the punchbowl in vinyl 497132;1392154812;nubbins`;the talking heads double is 180gram, sounds like my ears are being tickled 497133;1392154823;Duffer1;ha 497134;1392154850;nubbins`;thye had frizzle fry and brown album there as well 497135;1392154860;nubbins`;frrom primus 497136;1392154929;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00578999 = 0.2316 BTC [-] 497137;1392155112;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00570905 = 0.1199 BTC [-] {5} 497138;1392155173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4254 @ 0.00086353 = 3.6735 BTC [+] 497139;1392155234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16065 @ 0.00086582 = 13.9094 BTC [+] {2} 497140;1392155295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1070 @ 0.00086637 = 0.927 BTC [+] 497141;1392155783;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 275 @ 0.00303017 = 0.8333 BTC [+] {6} 497142;1392155814;punkman1;Node.js is so hip even their package manager gets VC funding 497143;1392155833;Apocalyptic;wtf am I reading 497144;1392155848;punkman1;http://blog.npmjs.org/post/76320673650/funding 497145;1392155914;Mats_cd03;I'm deep frying a turkey in my house atm 497146;1392155960;Mats_cd03;I love the smell of danger. 497147;1392156035;Mats_cd03;I could die at any moment, but at least I have chicken 497148;1392156047;fghj;Hello, Namword how is btc-bond doing? 497149;1392156199;deadweasel;in your house? 497150;1392156211;deadweasel;maybe that hsould happen outside? 497151;1392156217;deadweasel;should* 497152;1392156454;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 223 @ 0.00045008 = 0.1004 BTC [-] {6} 497153;1392156523;BingoBoingo;deadweasel: A little danger only hurts occasionally... 497154;1392156616;deadweasel;hurts me regularly. 497155;1392156631;deadweasel;torn ligament sheath and twisted foot righ nao 497156;1392156880;BingoBoingo;Ouch 497157;1392156966;deadweasel;meh, they gave me some oxycodone. 497158;1392157003;deadweasel;and i would set myself on fire if I tried what you're doing. 497159;1392157022;deadweasel;i *am* murphys law 497160;1392157247;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3291 @ 0.00018234 = 0.6001 BTC [-] {2} 497161;1392157430;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00086376 = 3.4119 BTC [-] 497162;1392157491;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7250 @ 0.00018234 = 1.322 BTC [-] {2} 497163;1392157552;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00018233 = 0.9117 BTC [-] {2} 497164;1392157657;ThickAsThieves;;;rate Namworld 1 Handled the closure of BTC-BOND responsibly and kept up with payments until my account was settled. 497165;1392157659;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Namworld has been recorded. 497166;1392157735;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00018016 = 0.4504 BTC [-] {2} 497167;1392157857;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25235 @ 0.00086637 = 21.8628 BTC [+] 497168;1392157887;ThickAsThieves;;;rate jurov 1 Helped with some share transfers, and helped keep me safe during a Bitfunder scare. 497169;1392157889;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user jurov has been recorded. 497170;1392158011;ThickAsThieves;;;rate mircea_popescu 1 Runs MPEx like a champ, helpful in clearing most any fog. 497171;1392158013;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded. 497172;1392158044;ThickAsThieves;;;gettrust parseval 497173;1392158045;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user parseval: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=parseval | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=parseval | Rated since: Thu May 2 21:38:21 2013 497174;1392158111;ThickAsThieves;;;rate parseval 1 Very helpful in transitioning some web software and assisting the team. 497175;1392158112;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user parseval has been recorded. 497176;1392158187;ThickAsThieves;;;rate topace 1 Assisted with some share transfers, has been helpful in Havelock dealings. 497177;1392158188;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user topace has been recorded. 497178;1392158214;ThickAsThieves;;;gettrust Ukyo 497179;1392158215;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user Ukyo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=Ukyo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Ukyo | Rated since: never 497180;1392158222;ThickAsThieves;;;gettrust Ukto 497181;1392158222;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user Ukto: Level 1: 1, Level 2: -2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=Ukto | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Ukto | Rated since: Wed Jun 15 00:24:56 2011 497182;1392158275;ThickAsThieves;;;rate Ukto -10 Managed Bitfunder poorly, lost money for many people, poor communications in the aftermath. 497183;1392158277;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Ukto has changed from 1 to -10. 497184;1392158299;ThickAsThieves;;;gettrust Tradefortress 497185;1392158300;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user Tradefortress: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=Tradefortress | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Tradefortress | Rated since: Mon Sep 24 00:10:15 2012 497186;1392158348;ThickAsThieves;;;rate TradeFortress -10 Scammed many people through various internet services then disappeared. 497187;1392158349;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user TradeFortress has been recorded. 497188;1392158365;ThickAsThieves;;;gettrust garr255 497189;1392158365;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user garr255: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=garr255 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=garr255 | Rated since: Sat Jun 16 15:01:31 2012 497190;1392158380;jurov;TAT's day of reckoning 497191;1392158426;ThickAsThieves;;;rate garr255 -10 Scammed with fake mining outfit, using socks to manipulate auctions, etc 497192;1392158427;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user garr255 has been recorded. 497193;1392158435;ThickAsThieves;Am I missing anyone? 497194;1392158446;ThickAsThieves;surely 497195;1392158510;ThickAsThieves;;;rate aethero -10 Sullied everything the WoT stands for. Scammed via Ziggap and BTCJam 497196;1392158512;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user aethero has changed from 1 to -10. 497197;1392158519;Apocalyptic;TAT on a rating spree 497198;1392158526;ThickAsThieves;sorry if it' 497199;1392158529;ThickAsThieves;s spammy 497200;1392158531;dexX7;lawl 497201;1392158535;ThickAsThieves;I figure people might like to know 497202;1392158578;Apocalyptic;it's not more spammy than our chess games so i guess it's ok 497203;1392158637;mike_c;did anyone end up winnign that tournament? 497204;1392158646;ThickAsThieves;;;rate 10 ineededausername Did many bulk share purchases with and without escrow. 497205;1392158646;gribble;Error: 'ineededausername' is not a valid integer. 497206;1392158662;davout;Apocalyptic: you guys played chess on assets? that's cool 497207;1392158674;Apocalyptic;davout, yeah 497208;1392158698;davout;who played? and who won? 497209;1392158746;jurov;mp funded a tournament, afaik it didn't finish yet 497210;1392158755;jurov;but am not keeping track 497211;1392158761;ThickAsThieves;;;rate gsan 1 Reliable trader 497212;1392158763;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user gsan has been recorded. 497213;1392158797;davout;jurov: why does a chess tournament over the internet need funding? 497214;1392158814;davout;or just point me to the logs :-) 497215;1392158822;mike_c;someone has to pay for the trophy 497216;1392158832;Mats_cd03;I am a god in the kitchen 497217;1392158840;davout;mike_c: aah i see 497218;1392158867;davout;prolly too late to register i presume 497219;1392158887;nubbins`;wait, there's a trophy? 497220;1392158892;nubbins`;;;seen truffles 497221;1392158892;gribble;truffles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 23 hours, 6 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: guess we'll have to wait til things shift 497222;1392158894;mike_c;i don't think there is actually a trophy. but mp put up a prize 497223;1392158902;mike_c;as did BingoBoingo 497224;1392158906;Apocalyptic;wasn't aware either 497225;1392158926;Namworld;ThickAsThieves, ineededausername rating failed. 497226;1392158928;Apocalyptic;I just played Bingo once and truffles on chess.com several times 497227;1392158930;davout;i want to play IRC poker 497228;1392158933;Mats_cd03;I want to play 497229;1392158944;KRS-One;I'll take a rating for being so cool. 497230;1392158956;KRS-One;thxz 497231;1392159014;jurov;you are not so cool as vexual 497232;1392159019;Namworld;;:rate KRS-One -1 Cheap point whore. Would not recommend. Pay more for better quality. 497233;1392159034;jurov;but vexual is supposedly too cool to get into wot :/ 497234;1392159077;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 123 @ 0.00083444 = 0.1026 BTC [+] 497235;1392159078;Namworld;It would vex vexual's sexuality to be in wot. 497236;1392159092;Namworld;Wouldn't be able to handle it. 497237;1392159105;BingoBoingo;davout: It is still continuing. To my knowledge it is a four way round robin. Right now I'm 2-1 having lost to namworld and beat nubbins` and truffles. I think Namworld and truffles are 1-1 and nubbins` is 0-1. 497238;1392159136;BingoBoingo;If this ends up a 3 way tie I dunno what tie breakers would be yet. 497239;1392159141;davout;;;rate KRS-One 1 Mildly cool rating whore 497240;1392159142;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. 497241;1392159157;BingoBoingo;Or a two way tie for that matter 497242;1392159178;davout;wai u no work wot 497243;1392159193;Apocalyptic;davout, ;;rate [ident KRS-One] 497244;1392159224;davout;;;rate 1 KRS-One Mildly cool rating whore 497245;1392159225;gribble;Error: 'KRS-One' is not a valid integer. 497246;1392159242;davout;lol nvm, the universe doesn't want me to rate KRS-One 497247;1392159252;Namworld;U wot mate? 497248;1392159260;Namworld;No? 497249;1392159263;Namworld;Oh okay. 497250;1392159337;davout;BingoBoingo: a four way round-robin sounds like some orgy variant, that means there are four players each playing in turn against each of the other ones ? 497251;1392159355;BingoBoingo;davout: Yeah. 497252;1392159404;BingoBoingo;nubbins` was in the tournament spec even though he was the last to begin playing 497253;1392159454;davout;BingoBoingo: does the algorithm allow for latecomers? 497254;1392159467;BingoBoingo;davout: I dunno ask MP 497255;1392159489;moiety;hihi 497256;1392159503;moiety;bitstamp has halted too? 497257;1392159550;BingoBoingo;moiety: Bitstamp also uses two cans and a string 497258;1392159558;moiety;lol! 497259;1392159572;moiety;i was just reading ars 497260;1392159584;pankkake;https://twitter.com/davidmarcus/status/432916473049137152 497261;1392159586;ozbot;Twitter / davidmarcus: My card (with EMV chip) got ... 497262;1392159598;moiety;how is everyone today? 497263;1392159651;davout;pankkake: hah yeah, the merchant would have been fucked instead 497264;1392160358;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 49 @ 0.50741182 = 24.8632 BTC [-] {13} 497265;1392160372;ThickAsThieves;;;rate ineededausername 10 Did many bulk share purchases with and without escrow. 497266;1392160373;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 10 for user ineededausername has been recorded. 497267;1392160377;ThickAsThieves;thanks nam 497268;1392160426;jurov;inb4 mpex deprecated withdrawals first 497269;1392160447;jurov;(was a running joke sometime last year) 497270;1392160549;ThickAsThieves;http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/11/carl-icahn-calls-for-glass-steagall-to-return/?mod=WSJBlog 497271;1392160550;ozbot;Carl Icahn Calls for Glass-Steagall to Return - MoneyBeat - WSJ 497272;1392160750;ThickAsThieves;http://www.wired.com/underwire/2014/02/robocop-crowdsourced-remake/?cid=18434524 497273;1392160752;ozbot;Crowdsourced RoboCop Remake Is Not Even Remotely SFW | Underwire | Wired.com 497274;1392160785;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00560905 = 0.129 BTC [-] {6} 497275;1392162920;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.0056998 = 0.3363 BTC [+] {2} 497276;1392163225;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0056998 = 0.171 BTC [+] 497277;1392163226;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3781 @ 0.00087046 = 3.2912 BTC [+] 497278;1392163399;moiety;http://i.imgur.com/CIubsq7.gif 497279;1392163530;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.00552489 = 0.6077 BTC [-] {5} 497280;1392163531;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54999999 BTC [+] 497281;1392163870;pgp;well there soes seem to be some interesting progress 497282;1392163871;pgp;http://skanner.net/MtGox/mtgox_tx.php?showall=true 497283;1392163873;ozbot;MtGox Bitcoin Transaction Queue 497284;1392163889;pgp;far fewer in here now 497285;1392163955;pgp;wrong chan 497286;1392164567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00086956 = 15.4782 BTC [-] {2} 497287;1392164750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17876 @ 0.00086376 = 15.4406 BTC [-] 497288;1392165101;deeee;hello 497289;1392165120;KRS-One;deeeeeeeeeee 497290;1392165140;deeee;i made 15k 497291;1392165142;deeee;today! 497292;1392165177;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 132 @ 0.0054165 = 0.715 BTC [-] {9} 497293;1392165189;asciilifeform;15k of what? 497294;1392165238;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 2500 @ 0.00011118 = 0.278 BTC [-] {5} 497295;1392165330;deeee;usd 497296;1392165341;deeee;can anyone tell me if http://www.bitbet.com/ is a virus 497297;1392165482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00086823 = 6.859 BTC [+] 497298;1392165774;pankkake;lol 497299;1392165848;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54999998 BTC [-] 497300;1392165990;jurov;someone got infected by bitbet? 497301;1392166096;pankkake;it's a disease, start playing, can't stop 497302;1392166540;mike_c;i tried to think of a good bitbet for Altcoin, but nothing crystallized. 497303;1392166630;pankkake;there was one, and it ended up being close 497304;1392166641;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54999998 BTC [-] 497305;1392166646;mike_c;really? for the real altcoin? 497306;1392166650;pankkake;yes 497307;1392166659;pankkake;http://bitbet.us/bet/748/altcoin-diff-to-be-power-of-four/ 497308;1392166663;ozbot;BitBet - Altcoin diff to be power of four BTC block 285000 497309;1392166704;mike_c;heh, nice. i was thinking along the lines of "an altcoin will be worth $1 in 2014", but verifying is hard. 497310;1392166742;pankkake;you'd need exchanges. when things are listed in coinmarketcap, it's much more practical, too 497311;1392166769;mike_c;maybe that should be it. as verified by coinmarketcap. then if it never gets listed, it resolves as no 497312;1392166840;moiety;i should really get a wallet huh 497313;1392166872;moiety;the snowden bitbet is still pending two days on 497314;1392166914;Duffer1;link? 497315;1392166944;moiety;http://bitbet.us/bet/586/next-country-for-snowden-germany/ 497316;1392166946;ozbot;BitBet - Next country for Snowden: Germany 497317;1392166953;Duffer1;oh 497318;1392166983;moiety;it would be a really bad move 497319;1392167007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00086823 = 6.5985 BTC [+] 497320;1392167373;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.559 = 2.236 BTC [+] 497321;1392167617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00086714 = 3.2084 BTC [-] 497322;1392168170;jurov;g++ -c -march=native -ftree-vectorize -O2 -pthread -Wall -Wextra -Wformat -Wformat-security -Wno-unused-parameter -g -DBOOST_SPIRIT_THREADSAFE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/opt/altcoin/src -I/opt/altcoin/src/obj -I/usr/include/db4.8 -DUSE_IPV6=1 -I/opt/altcoin/src/leveldb/include -I/opt/altcoin/src/leveldb/helpers -DHAVE_BUILD_INFO -fno-stack-protector -fstack-protector-all -Wstack-protector -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -MMD -MF obj/bitcoinrpc.d -o obj/bitco 497323;1392168172;jurov;o bitcoinrpc.cpp 497324;1392168192;jurov;BITCOINRPC in Altcoin?!!! Blasphemy! 497325;1392168204;asciilifeform;'make' is for lusers? 497326;1392168255;jurov;ain't need no filthy make 497327;1392168471;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12500005 = 0.5 BTC [+] 497328;1392168532;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] 497329;1392168593;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 70 @ 0.02493859 = 1.7457 BTC [-] {8} 497330;1392168618;asciilifeform;often wonder when/if we'll see a sane reimplementation of bitcoind. 497331;1392168650;jurov;define sane 497332;1392168654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15857 @ 0.00086365 = 13.6949 BTC [-] {2} 497333;1392168685;jurov;if original is insane, then there can't be both sane and compatible reimplementation 497334;1392168688;asciilifeform;minus the crud (i.e. straight C, with nothing extraneous or ill-fitting) 497335;1392168699;jurov;have you seen the sx? 497336;1392168712;jurov;or how did ganjix call it 497337;1392168747;asciilifeform;? 497338;1392168748;jurov;http://sx.dyne.org/ 497339;1392168751;ozbot;The sx Tutorial — sx 1 documentation 497340;1392168752;jurov;it's in C 497341;1392168825;asciilifeform;looks like it's using libbitcoin, more cpp crud. 497342;1392168950;jurov;prolly i confused it with this: https://github.com/MatthewLM/cbitcoin/ 497343;1392169003;asciilifeform;jurov: never seen before. neat. 497344;1392169015;asciilifeform;assuming it works. 497345;1392169137;fghj;bitbet.com it would be good squat for scaming, just like the one with sdice .com .net or .org 2yrs ago 497346;1392169180;jurov;asciilifeform if you happen to look deeper, let us know 497347;1392169193;asciilifeform;now if only the author were still 'bob the bridge-builder' 497348;1392169200;asciilifeform;rather than the other, 'new' bob. 497349;1392169331;nubbins`;heh. 497350;1392169364;asciilifeform;'life ain't fair,' goats cannot be unfucked. 497351;1392169442;asciilifeform;if the rewrite were compact enough to be auditable with reasonable effort, it would be worth considering regardless of the authorship 497352;1392169449;asciilifeform;but it remains to be seen whether such a thing is possible. 497353;1392169763;jurov;pankkake: still selling them? 497354;1392169813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 310 @ 0.00086714 = 0.2688 BTC [+] 497355;1392169964;asciilifeform;crackpot theory follows. 'you read it here first' (TM) 497356;1392169983;asciilifeform;the diddled-tx DDOS is perpetrated by: 'btc foundation' devs. 497357;1392170019;mike_c;so they can come to the rescue and appear relevant? i like it. 497358;1392170024;asciilifeform;nope 497359;1392170028;asciilifeform;the buggers want an excuse to fiddle with previously-untouched code in satoshi's client. 497360;1392170067;asciilifeform;not necessarily with the goal of slipping in some strange 497361;1392170071;mike_c;aren't all the btc foundation devs in jail by now? 497362;1392170075;asciilifeform;(probably beyond their feeble muscles) 497363;1392170096;jurov;lol mike_c 497364;1392170112;asciilifeform;but to set precedent for introducing 'features' and fixes to non-existent problems 497365;1392170146;asciilifeform;also to zap the die-hards still using old versions. 497366;1392170149;jurov;asciilifeform: it's indeed beyond them. if they were truly scammy, they would have done something simple like stealthcoin 497367;1392170166;asciilifeform;jurov: perhaps they have new help. 497368;1392170172;nubbins`;^ 497369;1392170192;asciilifeform;say, a veteran of UCC. 497370;1392170208;asciilifeform;http://underhanded.xcott.com 497371;1392170217;jurov;i just think coders capable to do such can get paid amply by legitimate businesses 497372;1392170242;jurov;i don't see any motivation why would they turn to such shenanigans 497373;1392170243;asciilifeform;there's a difference between 'amply paid' and $MAXINT 497374;1392170269;asciilifeform;there is also the very persuasive 'paid in your family staying alive' business model 497375;1392170278;asciilifeform;that certain players in the field favour. 497376;1392170293;jurov;oh yes there we are again 497377;1392170308;benkay;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBWloE7EKzQ 497378;1392170309;ozbot;back yard pvc roller coaster with a 12 ft drop - YouTube 497379;1392170332;jurov;such thing really works in ussr-style dictatorships where there is no way out 497380;1392170333;asciilifeform;a warm hug to the inquisitor reading this. 497381;1392170379;jurov;so if something such happens, it's directed by homeland security, not bitcoin foundation noobs 497382;1392170408;asciilifeform;they're not unconstrained actors. they still need a story to explain why the 'official' src is to change. 497383;1392170418;asciilifeform;a persuasive story 497384;1392170428;nubbins`;benkay :D 497385;1392170461;asciilifeform;the ddos crap is a pill against folks like MP, who have declared that they'll stick with ancient versions of bitcoind. 497386;1392170527;asciilifeform;(perhaps he'll patch the damn thing with his own hands. but others, less able, will not. and will go where the phoundation pushes them.) 497387;1392170538;pankkake;jurov: I only have ~10000 left (plus what I'm still mining), so you might get a better price elsewhere 497388;1392170545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2405 @ 0.0008684 = 2.0885 BTC [+] 497389;1392170552;jurov;like, where? 497390;1392170601;jurov;it's still minable on gpu? 497391;1392170622;pankkake;I mine it with 2 erupters on http://coinminer.net:19982/static/ 497392;1392170629;mike_c;nethash was 240 ghs by our meager estimates earlier today 497393;1392170669;pankkake;https://openex.pw/index.php?page=trade&market=111 anyone tried it? 497394;1392170671;ozbot;OpenEx 497395;1392170679;mircea_popescu;so what's new ? 497396;1392170684;asciilifeform;i conjecture that bitcoind contains a reliable 'warehouse' of otherwise-harmless bugs like the recent one. 497397;1392170691;asciilifeform;kept around for just this purpose. 497398;1392170697;mike_c;psh, and i conjecture the sky is blue. 497399;1392170715;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it contains a warehouse of bugs because it was built by joe out of toothpicks and chewing gum 497400;1392170756;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you didn't miss much. i'm playing my favourite 'pretend GRU still exists' game. 497401;1392170788;mircea_popescu;lol i noticed you like that. 497402;1392170921;jurov;Apocalyptic: and you aren't going to support atc? 497403;1392170972;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54999998 BTC [-] 497404;1392171115;jurov;mircea_popescu: you give altcoinz? 497405;1392171143;mircea_popescu;what for ? 497406;1392171158;jurov;for X.ALT "D 497407;1392171169;jurov;pankkake hinted something 497408;1392171177;mircea_popescu;uh. wut ? 497409;1392171185;jurov;hahaha 497410;1392171185;pankkake;lol 497411;1392171212;jurov;wasn't there a faucet? 497412;1392171217;pankkake;now that altcoin have value, the faucet dried up? 497413;1392171226;pankkake;and borken english is me 497414;1392171269;mircea_popescu;i did some giveaways for like answering q's and whatnot. 497415;1392171277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00087044 = 4.4828 BTC [+] {2} 497416;1392171277;mircea_popescu;being THE ONLY ONE to do so hint hint nudge nudge. 497417;1392171295;mircea_popescu;just like in BTC i'm the only one doing shit, everyone else is buying bentleys and spraypainting crackheads in gold paint. 497418;1392171340;pankkake;tat did the logo, that's half the value of the coin at least 497419;1392171349;moiety;you cannot deny they look better 497420;1392171366;jurov;butbutbut...i'm running a full node... helping the network 497421;1392171380;pankkake;I'll give you 42 ATC 497422;1392171390;jurov;hyperfast, compiled with -fomg-optimize 497423;1392171397;mircea_popescu;moiety that unfortunate chick... god help her. 497424;1392171417;pankkake;so you found the pic? I couldn't 497425;1392171423;jurov;ok, send atc donations to 1LcE3DQSosBv3HNYGTmCQLGnKgFhchCe8j 497426;1392171435;mircea_popescu;do you even vanity ?! 497427;1392171466;moiety;me? 497428;1392171496;jurov;he meant me 497429;1392171518;mircea_popescu;i meant him 497430;1392171525;moiety;no i meant the unfortunate chick bit 497431;1392171533;moiety;i do have some bad news mircea_popescu 497432;1392171538;mircea_popescu;moiety you seen the pic of the gold painted cokehead ? 497433;1392171585;moiety;oh no, i didn't realise there was actually someone sprayed!! will google 497434;1392171607;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm not the only fellow who likes playing games: 497435;1392171608;pankkake;666 ATC bounty for the pic 497436;1392171611;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://phk.freebsd.dk/_downloads/FOSDEM_2014.pdf 497437;1392171640;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/kqrYBFI.jpg 497438;1392171700;Duffer1;classy 497439;1392171711;pankkake;worse than I rememberd 497440;1392171804;moiety;thanks for link, all i got was a sea of lindsay lohan on google. imgur must be overloaded, cant load it yet 497441;1392171812;mircea_popescu;pankkake it gets worse every time. 497442;1392171822;mircea_popescu;moiety so what's the bad news ? you got married to an axe murderer ? 497443;1392171826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00086643 = 6.7582 BTC [-] 497444;1392171865;moiety;mircea_popescu: I'm 29... marriage would be good news. [ignores the murderer bit] 497445;1392171882;moiety;bad news is life is about to get even more irritating http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/02/first-there-were-captchas-now-there-are-gotchas/ 497446;1392171887;mircea_popescu;;;google so i married an axe murderer 497447;1392171888;gribble;So I Married an Axe Murderer (1993) - IMDb: ; So I Married an Axe Murderer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; So I Married An Axe Murderer(colonel sanders scene) - YouTube: 497448;1392171905;mircea_popescu;a, that's ok, i don't even use blogger. 497449;1392171914;moiety;oh i forgot about that film!! 497450;1392171951;moiety;if they introduce inblots everywhere though, internet will be halved forme 497451;1392171957;moiety;inkblots 497452;1392171970;mircea_popescu;so you should be thankful, half the crap. 497453;1392171976;jurov;someone wanted vanity? 1atcKeQCoeKbWCqyMUZPrMjpjvr4ayAbX 497454;1392171984;moiety;but but half the procrastination also 497455;1392171987;mircea_popescu;jurov you ate what ? keq ? 497456;1392171987;moiety;wait.... 497457;1392172003;mircea_popescu;coek ? 497458;1392172047;asciilifeform;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/fbi-new-10000-reward-if-you-report-people-who-fire-lasers-at-airplanes/ 497459;1392172048;ozbot;FBI: New $10,000 reward if you report people who fire lasers at airplanes | Ars Technica 497460;1392172059;mircea_popescu;whoa. it actually hurts anything ?! 497461;1392172060;jurov;;;lasers 497462;1392172060;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 497463;1392172067;asciilifeform;one obvious question: how does one convict the offender? 497464;1392172080;asciilifeform;'owns laser pointer. off to jail' 497465;1392172081;jurov;they blind pilots? 497466;1392172086;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform terrorism, public nudity and money laundering. 497467;1392172088;moiety;lolol 497468;1392172098;mircea_popescu;wait i mean, public terrorism, money nudity and laundry. 497469;1392172106;mircea_popescu;no wait, that's not rigth either 497470;1392172118;jurov;jaywalking not fashionable anymore 497471;1392172119;mircea_popescu;child laundery, money liking and going to the park 497472;1392172128;moiety;lmfao 497473;1392172145;mircea_popescu;A LAUNDRY LIST OF OFFENSIVE OFFENCES 497474;1392172146;pankkake;public nudity, milking and laundry 497475;1392172150;moiety;new challenge im off to vanitygen 497476;1392172151;mircea_popescu;&offal falafel. 497477;1392172152;gribble;Error: "offal" is not a valid command. 497478;1392172157;asciilifeform;nude terrorism, public laundering, nude money. 497479;1392172169;mircea_popescu;public laundering of nude terrorists for money. 497480;1392172178;mircea_popescu;underage. 497481;1392172181;jurov;public money 497482;1392172197;mircea_popescu;underage money, public vomiting and interfacing with a known socket. 497483;1392172226;asciilifeform;http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2014/february/protecting-aircraft-from-lasers/protecting-aircraft-from-lasers 497484;1392172227;ozbot;FBI — Protecting Aircraft from Lasers: New Program Offers Rewards for Information 497485;1392172229;mircea_popescu;anyway, everyone, thank you for your leadership in this important matter. 497486;1392172253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10509 @ 0.00086358 = 9.0754 BTC [-] {2} 497487;1392172264;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform srsly, seems more like a ploy to give your buddy 10k, because i can't for the life of me grok what exact damage can you do to an airplane with a ground laser. 497488;1392172281;asciilifeform;(cui bono? the folks who will be selling the soon-to-be-mandatory fly-by-camera gear, when it gets retrofitted into passenger jets.) 497489;1392172297;jurov;to pilot, not to airplane 497490;1392172315;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.19376446 = 2.1314 BTC [+] 497491;1392172316;mircea_popescu;jurov the pilot is what, losing his change on the floor of the plane which is transparent ? 497492;1392172336;mircea_popescu;passenger jets strafing now ? 497493;1392172348;jurov;lasers do reflect 497494;1392172365;mircea_popescu;in more interesting news : 497495;1392172365;mircea_popescu;http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/244922181.html 497496;1392172367;ozbot;Websites of Las Vegas Sands casinos hacked, including Venetian, Palazzo on Las Vegas Strip | Star Tr 497497;1392172371;asciilifeform;the 'terrible problem' will remain unsolved, passenger liners will get $100K cameras and painted-over windshields. 497498;1392172379;jurov;you ever got a flash of reflected laser pointer? 497499;1392172387;mircea_popescu;jurov nope. 497500;1392172389;jurov;quite annoying 497501;1392172393;mircea_popescu;and i'm not even a pilot. 497502;1392172404;jurov;and that's just puny pointer for presentations 497503;1392172415;mircea_popescu;dude, you mean in the same room ? 497504;1392172417;mircea_popescu;come on now. 497505;1392172418;moiety;WW3 = cats vs pilots 497506;1392172436;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.06946363 = 0.7641 BTC [-] {4} 497507;1392172437;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.12500001 = 1.375 BTC [-] {2} 497508;1392172446;mircea_popescu;you ever tried to shoot a fish ? 497509;1392172451;jurov;yep, poor pilots have to catch red dots and crashing airplanes 497510;1392172472;mircea_popescu;because if you imagine you're hitting a ten yard plane from five thousand feet deep in an ocean of air with a fucking handheld laser you're nuts. 497511;1392172473;moiety;why do you think they get paid so highly? 497512;1392172493;jurov;noone gives a fuck about thousands of feet 497513;1392172498;mircea_popescu;uh 497514;1392172509;jurov;it concerns takeoff and landing 497515;1392172510;mircea_popescu;yes, the laser does. light has this property called refraction 497516;1392172518;mircea_popescu;o it does ? 497517;1392172519;asciilifeform;everyone is missing the point. the entire 'problem' is fictional. the fiction, created for a purpose. 497518;1392172544;asciilifeform;'no pilots were harmed' 'in the making of this movie.' 497519;1392172550;moiety;lol^ 497520;1392172551;mircea_popescu;srsly, i never heard of it. 497521;1392172560;jurov;if the scare is about mid-air laser attacks, indeed 497522;1392172578;asciilifeform;u.s. mouthpieces have been peddling this crap for some years. 497523;1392172589;jurov;but if it's pubescents shooting 1w lasers into cockpit upon landing... 497524;1392172660;asciilifeform;likewise, slightly-intelligent bureaucrats perhaps wake up at night from the fact that you can untraceably torch just about anything with a fiddybuck IR laser. 497525;1392172663;mircea_popescu;jurov sounds to me like a rehash of the child porn thing. 497526;1392172683;mircea_popescu;"o, horrible things are happening somewhere maybe" 497527;1392172688;jurov;oh, are they flashing child porn to pilots? 497528;1392172699;mircea_popescu;yeah, gets burned on their retinas 497529;1392172700;moiety;but how are these pubescents getting close enough to the planes 497530;1392172726;jurov;one kilometer is close enough 497531;1392172736;moiety;wow my laser pen is shit 497532;1392172739;mircea_popescu;one kilometer around the airport is all parking lots 497533;1392172754;mircea_popescu;let's do some quick math. 497534;1392172762;jurov;but, maybe you do know better, whatever 497535;1392172793;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1000**2*3.141592*2 497536;1392172793;gribble;6283184 497537;1392172806;asciilifeform;green laser, rayleigh scattering, you can 'walk' the beam to the target. 497538;1392172807;mircea_popescu;whoa look at that! the surface of a hemisphere 1km away is like... 6.3 mn sq meters! 497539;1392172808;moiety;ijust cant visualise even getting a pilots face from ground level from that distance 497540;1392172813;asciilifeform;(and target, back to you...) 497541;1392172852;mircea_popescu;;;calc 6283184 / .25 * 10**6 497542;1392172853;gribble;25132736000000 497543;1392172857;mircea_popescu;whoa look at that! 497544;1392172876;mircea_popescu;the odds of hitting anything 1 km away are about one in a las vegas jackpot! 497545;1392172891;asciilifeform;more lulz: http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/september/laser_092611 497546;1392172918;jurov;first google result for pilot blinded by laser: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/medical-helicopter-pilot-blinded-laser-21583352 497547;1392172919;moiety;you like lasers a lot don't you asciilifeform :) 497548;1392172926;jborkl;Mp, the calls on the site are priced at .1 and the puts are still priced at 1.0, so there is a typo in this month puts 497549;1392172934;mircea_popescu;;;calc 25132736000000 / (6*10**9) 497550;1392172934;gribble;4188.78933333 497551;1392172943;asciilifeform;moiety: i like incandescent bulbs, too, sure. 497552;1392172961;mircea_popescu;whoia look at that! if every man woman and child on planet earth was a prepubescent boy with a laser spending all their time 1km away from lax 497553;1392172968;mircea_popescu;you'd get about one pilot hit every day! 497554;1392172979;mircea_popescu;provided it's friday on a february the 29th 497555;1392172996;asciilifeform;moiety: and i sometimes have occasion to work with modestly large lasers. hence some clue. 497556;1392173019;mircea_popescu;jborkl specifically ? 497557;1392173037;moiety;aaaah i see! I wanna work with lasers! 497558;1392173053;jurov;you just are hell bent on making fun of fbi, even if they do something that may make sense eventually 497559;1392173066;jborkl;It says lot is .1 btc , but mkopt and pricing is obviously 1.0 btc lot 497560;1392173077;jborkl;This month puts 497561;1392173095;asciilifeform;jurov: in this case fbi is doing its actual job well, for a change. (read: padding the pockets of contractors. here, the ones who'll be making mandatory 'fly by camera' widgets.) 497562;1392173117;moiety;imgur is still keeping this gold crackhead from me :/ 497563;1392173119;mircea_popescu;jborkl help me out here. how do you reason ? 497564;1392173168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5109 @ 0.00086301 = 4.4091 BTC [-] {2} 497565;1392173190;jurov;that is not an argument, it can be said about everything 497566;1392173204;jurov;flood protection? nah, just lining pockets pof contractors 497567;1392173212;asciilifeform;jurov: floods exist. 497568;1392173229;mircea_popescu;jurov there's a record of floods actually happening in the past. 497569;1392173241;mircea_popescu;this is different from one guy somewhere thought he might have heard something. 497570;1392173255;jurov;i jut shown you the medial helicopter video. it does exist, too 497571;1392173284;mircea_popescu;if that's the standard of evidence required even female orgasm exists. 497572;1392173298;jborkl;The text says one lot is .1 btc but mkopt and sell are still dominated in 1 btc lots 497573;1392173309;mircea_popescu;jborkl that doesn't seem to be a reasoning. 497574;1392173316;mircea_popescu;$depth O.USD.P500T 497575;1392173317;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: O.USD.P500T Bids: ['1000 @ 0.67164225'] 497576;1392173318;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1000 @ 1.17856218'] 497577;1392173321;jborkl;Unless I am just reading something wrong 497578;1392173332;mircea_popescu;jborkl you expect to buy a put at 5k for 1 btc lots for 0.67 ? 497579;1392173345;jborkl;No 497580;1392173347;mircea_popescu;;;calc (5000 - 700) / 700 497581;1392173348;gribble;6.14285714286 497582;1392173359;mircea_popescu;seems it is in fact .1 btc lots. 497583;1392173381;jborkl;I understand it is 67% 497584;1392173389;jborkl;Or we 497585;1392173399;jborkl;61 497586;1392173402;asciilifeform;the 'laser pointer arrest' video is priceless. 497587;1392173411;mircea_popescu;jborkl well and the text on the page says "One lot consists of 0.1 BTC". 497588;1392173418;mircea_popescu;so where's the typo or what do you mean ? 497589;1392173492;asciilifeform;'At 500 feet, Childs said, that two-centimeter dot you see on your wall can be six feet wide.' 497590;1392173531;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they don't bother with power calculations do they 497591;1392173544;jborkl;Well, I read it different but I fully understand the math behind it so it doesn't matter. I just rwadbit different but I see what you are saying 497592;1392173549;mircea_popescu;it is six feet wide and magically 3600000 times as energetic 497593;1392173553;jborkl;Read it 497594;1392173559;mircea_popescu;jborkl a ok 497595;1392173565;asciilifeform;;;calc 3.14159 * (183 ^ 2) 497596;1392173565;gribble;Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number. 497597;1392173574;mircea_popescu;;;calc 3.14159 * (183 ** 2) 497598;1392173575;gribble;105208.70751 497599;1392173595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 300 @ 0.00086575 = 0.2597 BTC [+] 497600;1392173627;asciilifeform;;;calc 0.005 / 105208.70751 497601;1392173627;gribble;4.75245834526e-08 497602;1392173631;asciilifeform;watts per square cm. 497603;1392173651;mircea_popescu;that's almost as bad as an ugly vinyl dress on a sunny day 497604;1392173655;asciilifeform;~moonlight. 497605;1392173694;asciilifeform;sentence of 'death by arithmetic' has been executed. 497606;1392173703;asciilifeform;the 'control shot' administered. 497607;1392173711;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you don't understand. at one astronomic unit away that million ton cheese thing i nthe sky can appear six inches wide! 497608;1392173821;mircea_popescu;jborkl did you mean that you read "Put option expiring this month struck at 500 USD/lot." to mean "500usd/btc" ? 497609;1392173891;jurov;power density can be like a moonlight, but on retina it concnetrates into one dot 497610;1392173912;mircea_popescu;not moreso than moonlight does. 497611;1392173916;jurov;just try it sometime, 497612;1392173920;asciilifeform;jurov: notice that the fbi crap carefully specified an uncollimated beam. 497613;1392173931;asciilifeform;(the actual case in consumer laser toy) 497614;1392173935;mircea_popescu;jurov seriously, your mishaps within five feet are not a solid basis for comparison here. 497615;1392173959;jborkl;No, honestly I forgot until this conversation that options are standard the way you have it written. I forgot the standard tbh 497616;1392173967;mircea_popescu;a ok. no big deal. 497617;1392174018;jurov;whatever, just try it on yourself 497618;1392174053;asciilifeform;srsly, we aren't debating the theory of nuke yields here. experimental materials required: 1 laser keychain. 1km long street. 1 phriend. 497619;1392174134;jurov;as i say, i do have some experience. it wasn't kilometer, but also the power was much smaller 497620;1392174137;mircea_popescu;jurov actually, i'll make it sweet for you : 497621;1392174146;jurov;so i can believe that pilots do have issues 497622;1392174150;mircea_popescu;get a laser key chain and a camera. place camera one kilometer away 497623;1392174153;asciilifeform;bonus crap points for ignoring the fact that ~532nm (green) laser rayleigh scatters, further losing power. 497624;1392174170;mircea_popescu;and try to shine the laser into it while it autoshoots so that you catch it in a pic. 497625;1392174185;mircea_popescu;i bet you you will not be able to produce this within 8 hours of trying. 497626;1392174219;asciilifeform;place the camera in a car, to reproduce the magical collimatory power of the aircraft window. 497627;1392174232;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well no, place it in a car so it's not stolen 497628;1392174237;asciilifeform;this too. 497629;1392174241;asciilifeform;esp. on my street... 497630;1392174247;mircea_popescu;just you know, park your car in a field somewhere, or a beach or w/e 497631;1392174252;mircea_popescu;take a walk and let it rip 497632;1392174277;asciilifeform;yes. perhaps physics has been cancelled by imperial decree, and we're all fools. 497633;1392174307;jurov;so these laers sharpshooters use are just a gimmick and completely useless for aiming, then? 497634;1392174309;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm waiting for the day when one becomes vragnaroda for owning a collection of unexpurgated kvant 497635;1392174319;asciilifeform;that'd be me. 497636;1392174328;mircea_popescu;jurov you think sharpshooters use the red laser dot 1km away ? 497637;1392174345;mircea_popescu;how the fuck do you suppose they could SEE it. 497638;1392174353;mircea_popescu;the victim may see it, but how would the sharpshooter see it ? 497639;1392174378;jurov;via binocular? 497640;1392174397;mircea_popescu;i suspek you might have not had thought this through so much. 497641;1392174415;asciilifeform;they make IR (ocular compatible) laser sights now, because u.s. polizei can't hit a victim from across the street otherwise. 497642;1392174441;jurov;In 2009, there were 1,489 laser events logged with the FAA—that is, pilots reporting that their cockpits were illuminated by the devices 497643;1392174442;asciilifeform;actual snipers ignore lasers, because gravity drop / wind. 497644;1392174450;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i still dunno wtf they do for practice training, srsly, but they are atrociously bad. 497645;1392174451;jurov;so this is coplaetely fabricated data? 497646;1392174467;mircea_popescu;jurov listen, cockpit illuminated != ill effect 497647;1392174478;jurov;orly? 497648;1392174479;mircea_popescu;during the same interval a number of 59739845 bored women reported they were "almost raped" 497649;1392174483;asciilifeform;jurov: paid sick leave! 497650;1392174486;mircea_popescu;for instance, a guy askd them out and he was ugly. 497651;1392174494;asciilifeform;oh noez i got illuminated. 497652;1392174508;jurov;if the lose hight vision even for few seconds, that;s okay? 497653;1392174516;jurov;*night vision 497654;1392174521;mircea_popescu;listen 497655;1392174531;mircea_popescu;i was once in a car and the fucking ambulance illuminated the cockpit with the lights 497656;1392174533;mircea_popescu;nao what ? 497657;1392174545;asciilifeform;jurov: blind the camera & come back 497658;1392174546;mircea_popescu;and incidentally, those shits are loud, it can startle you 497659;1392174584;mircea_popescu;somehow people never crashed their car into the fire truck because "whoa, i got blinded by the illumination of the cockpit" 497660;1392174598;mircea_popescu;but i will be pleased to be given the proper form to report such events for the future 497661;1392174607;mircea_popescu;maybe if we get a large enough number i can have a free subway sub 497662;1392174625;jurov;you can always slam your feet to brakes 497663;1392174626;benkay;who is this we you go on about tonight 497664;1392174633;jurov;in aircraft, not very much 497665;1392174647;mircea_popescu;jurov in most actual driving situations, sudden braking is both suicidal 497666;1392174651;mircea_popescu;and the worst move you could do. 497667;1392174652;asciilifeform;like any good official crock of shit, this one is based on fact (one can indeed construct a vaguely-useful military 'blinding machine') 497668;1392174660;asciilifeform;dollar store laser keychain ain't it. 497669;1392174687;jurov;benkay, just mircea with ascii going on that pilots are pussies and they should just shut up 497670;1392174706;mircea_popescu;well actually i think pilots should just be beaten, personally, but that is besides the point. 497671;1392174749;asciilifeform;pilots are human, when idiot employers/officials offer paid sick leave for an imaginary injury, they're happy to run with it. 497672;1392174779;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in honesty i doubt your average pilot really needs excuses to take a break. 497673;1392174795;mircea_popescu;it's one of those fields like specialist surgery, workload X, workforce epsilon 497674;1392174805;asciilifeform;perhaps it lets them get out of a scheduled 'piss test' as well. 497675;1392174807;mircea_popescu;you usually have ~5000 vacation days untaken 497676;1392174810;jurov;maybe. or maybe they actually have to accept considerable overtime instead 497677;1392174875;asciilifeform;anyway, these particular angels are already in your parts drawer, and so is the requisite pin head. camera, keychain, go. 497678;1392174877;jurov;for example one would think that german train engine driver is comfy occupation 497679;1392174887;jurov;unless it happens one knoes some liek i do 497680;1392174895;jurov;*knows some 497681;1392174914;jurov;and nope, they slashed the jobs, constant overtime, nos sick leave 497682;1392174937;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.54999998 = 12.1 BTC [-] 497683;1392174940;jurov;i suspect pilots likewise. 497684;1392174959;asciilifeform;betcha if the poor fellow just got death-rayed, he gets some paid leave. 497685;1392174959;mircea_popescu;jurov yup just about. 497686;1392174978;jurov;nope 497687;1392175001;jurov;the train driver gets leave only if someone throws himself under the train 497688;1392175014;jurov;som they actually secretly hppe for that 497689;1392175015;asciilifeform;if not, next media crapfest: 'scandal! poor pilots forced to fly with zapped eye! news at 11' 497690;1392175059;jurov;yes, and everypone forgets the next day 497691;1392175066;jurov;no biggie 497692;1392175093;moiety;i doubt train drivers hope for that 497693;1392175107;moiety;most don't work again 497694;1392175126;jurov;i say, i know them personally, they are severely overworked 497695;1392175140;moiety;you know a driver that has had a jumper? 497696;1392175140;jurov;some to that point they'd accept such discharge 497697;1392175155;asciilifeform;moiety: if one can get pensioned for the 'trauma' of driving a train over some idiot, perhaps we should all become train drivers. 497698;1392175165;moiety;i've known one. he was a patient. 497699;1392175183;moiety;he couldn't get past the flash backs 497700;1392175199;moiety;every time he was back in the cab or w/e its called on a train 497701;1392175202;jurov;that was not the point 497702;1392175210;jurov;the point was pilots are pussies 497703;1392175216;asciilifeform;moiety: clearly made a poor choice of profession, then 497704;1392175223;jurov;that should just shrug off someone lightting the cockpit 497705;1392175225;moiety;not really 497706;1392175230;jurov;instead 497707;1392175241;moiety;liking trains is not a prerequisite to being able to handle graphic death in front of you 497708;1392175268;jurov;being completely burned out is 497709;1392175272;asciilifeform;jurov: lit up your car successfully ? 497710;1392175276;jurov;at least so that peron thinks 497711;1392175303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00086958 = 3.6088 BTC [+] {2} 497712;1392175308;jurov;asciilifeform: what if yes? 497713;1392175314;asciilifeform;pics plz. 497714;1392175349;asciilifeform;with approx. distance & wattage. 497715;1392175355;jurov;if i arrange it, there will be pics 497716;1392175377;moiety;i saw a deer halved by a plane yesterday. quite an effect D: 497717;1392175402;mircea_popescu;o look she can spell affect! 497718;1392175450;moiety;i meant it had an effect on me though 497719;1392175467;jurov;http://www.laserpointersafety.com/laser-hazards_aircraft/laser-hazards_aircraft.html 497720;1392175468;ozbot;Laser Pointer Safety - NEVER aim laser pointers at aircraft 497721;1392175481;jurov;some photos. not blinding, but i can believe it's distraction 497722;1392175495;moiety;every psychiatry person knows affect and effect 497723;1392175503;asciilifeform;moiety: http://www.pidjin.net/2010/10/04/shark-the-jump ? 497724;1392175550;KRS-One;i still dont understand how laser pointers can be steady enough to light a moving airplane cockpit from the ground at a distance 497725;1392175574;KRS-One;the further away the more shaky and inaccurate they get..you can barely hit the moon if at all for instance. 497726;1392175583;jurov;they don't need to be steady 497727;1392175586;moiety;asciilifeform: not quite but i like that one way more XD 497728;1392175593;jurov;just flah when the beam crosses the target 497729;1392175602;jurov;*flash 497730;1392175617;asciilifeform;KRS-One: this is because you are vragnaroda, and make use of hatefacts. 497731;1392175622;moiety;i'll find it if you want to see it 497732;1392175650;jcpham;vragnaroda? where?!? 497733;1392175666;KRS-One;guess you can flash them easily but only for a moment here and there 497734;1392175674;jurov;that's enough 497735;1392175695;jurov;when the eye is accustomed to dark, it's ver sensitive 497736;1392175695;KRS-One;I make use of hatefacts? 497737;1392175723;jurov;anyway, this is lost cause 497738;1392175727;jurov;good night 497739;1392175733;jcpham;'night 497740;1392175757;asciilifeform;and here we go with the elephant repellent vendors: 497741;1392175758;asciilifeform;http://www.iridian.ca/english/irdProducts.asp?x=915&a=p&pcid=29&pid=101 497742;1392175760;ozbot;Iridian, LaseReflect, , LaseReflect Aviators - 532/1064 nm, 497743;1392175847;asciilifeform;the one way for this to work is for ten thousand wankers (reading news!) to try, and a few get very close, and lucky. 497744;1392175883;moiety;lol their graph looks terrible 497745;1392175887;asciilifeform;see history of 'glue sniffing.' 497746;1392175920;moiety;found it http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/aircraft-pictures/oops-7372.html#post233224 deer meets plane. don't look if you like deer 497747;1392175948;asciilifeform;moiety: this is an everyday sight on the wash. d.c. beltway. 497748;1392175956;mircea_popescu;moiety i was just being very silly. 497749;1392175974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00086757 = 10.4976 BTC [-] {2} 497750;1392175976;Dimsler_;mircea_popescu, that jew plead not guilty 497751;1392175985;Dimsler_;whens bitbet paying out? 497752;1392175992;moiety;mircea_popescu: good...silliness ftw 497753;1392176013;moiety;is it asciilifeform honestly, i could've cried yesterday! 497754;1392176018;mircea_popescu;Dimsler_ prolly in a week or two 497755;1392176085;asciilifeform;beast that lives on woodland edges + traffic -> daily bloody mess. 497756;1392176105;moiety;in scotland, if you hit a deer and kill it, you are allowed to take it home 497757;1392176144;KRS-One;Oh Dear. 497758;1392176165;asciilifeform;moiety: over here it's the opposite, reason perhaps being that people would mount rams (or the like.) 497759;1392176200;moiety;yeah i can understand that 497760;1392176227;moiety;people just don't here but our cars are tiny so i think its usually a transport issue!! 497761;1392176247;moiety;strap a deer to a nissan micra? nope 497762;1392176469;mod6;;;view 497763;1392176471;gribble;#19596 Tue Feb 11 22:37:13 2014 mod6 BUY 100000.0 ATC @ 5e-06 BTC (WTB up to 100,000 ATC for 0.00000500 BTC each or ~0.5 BTC total. Must have WoT rating. Smaller amounts ok too, pm me, we can make a deal!) 497764;1392176523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00087057 = 7.1822 BTC [+] 497765;1392176645;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 160 @ 0.00475943 = 0.7615 BTC [-] {9} 497766;1392177213;mod6;http://bitbet.us/bet/751/mtgox-out-of-business-in-2014/#c2440 << haha 497767;1392177215;ozbot;BitBet - MtGox out of business in 2014 497768;1392177560;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11539 @ 0.00086778 = 10.0133 BTC [-] 497769;1392177804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11921 @ 0.00087033 = 10.3752 BTC [+] {2} 497770;1392178353;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 36 @ 0.0055 = 0.198 BTC 497771;1392178537;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 159 @ 0.00083455 = 0.1327 BTC [+] 497772;1392178584;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-miracles-that-matter/ 497773;1392178585;ozbot;The miracles that matter pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 497774;1392178593;mircea_popescu;(probably most interesting for non-math heads) 497775;1392178646;mircea_popescu;mod6 i was thinking that may get more traction 497776;1392178752;moiety;i don't like otc, it's boring. 497777;1392178800;benkay;there's not much worth trading at this early juncture, moiety 497778;1392178816;benkay;mircea_popescu, linking a USG publication as a source of useful numbers?! will miracles never cease... 497779;1392178832;mircea_popescu;benkay all is possible, praise allah and his true prophet obama 497780;1392178903;moiety;ah kk benkay, i'll stick around 497781;1392178920;benkay;all but colored coins being a useful thing, eh wot? 497782;1392178964;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 37 @ 0.0055 = 0.2035 BTC 497783;1392178980;moiety;i was reading about those, didn't make much sense to me 497784;1392179018;benkay;don't you see the genius? 497785;1392179039;moiety;nope 497786;1392179042;benkay;you can send a colored coin representing what you aver to be your stock in pepsi to a stranger over the internet. 497787;1392179065;mircea_popescu;a more ver averring never coulding be possible to have taken place. 497788;1392179076;benkay;a miracle! 497789;1392179081;moiety;but it just seems ennecessary to me 497790;1392179084;mircea_popescu;more like a cryptacle. 497791;1392179086;moiety;unnecessary 497792;1392179100;benkay;cryptacular company! 497793;1392179102;mircea_popescu;moiety this is because you're not a 21 yo virgin boi. 497794;1392179120;moiety;lolol 497795;1392179146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13556 @ 0.00087073 = 11.8036 BTC [+] {2} 497796;1392179169;moiety;what ever happened to those ridiculous people that wanted to track everyone's wallets? 497797;1392179177;moiety;please say they died 497798;1392179182;benkay;oh man mp you broke my head with that sentence 497799;1392179201;mircea_popescu;your head was broken to begin with 497800;1392179207;mircea_popescu;i simply followed in the spaces :D 497801;1392179218;mircea_popescu;/koan 497802;1392179220;benkay;now now 497803;1392179258;benkay;a vorhees avers a virtuous stock vending 497804;1392179333;mircea_popescu;i left an y out 497805;1392179339;mircea_popescu;a more very averring never coulding be possible to have taken place. 497806;1392179387;benkay;your prose is so boiled down and reduced the omission of single letters can render it gibberish 497807;1392179401;benkay;i was trying to render ver into some sense 497808;1392179405;mircea_popescu;a kk 497809;1392179512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14907 @ 0.00087194 = 12.998 BTC [+] {2} 497810;1392179525;benkay;http://cdn.pidjin.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/gif.gif 497811;1392179661;mircea_popescu;youi know those dudes are romanian ? 497812;1392179711;benkay;no wai 497813;1392179717;mircea_popescu;yup. 497814;1392179747;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/pidjin/status/379293487470239744 497815;1392179748;ozbot;Twitter / pidjin: #romania Protesting against ... 497816;1392179756;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1524 @ 0.00086949 = 1.3251 BTC [-] {2} 497817;1392179756;mircea_popescu;that for instance is re the mining thing i mentioned a while back. 497818;1392179779;mircea_popescu;Eugen Erhan & Tudor Muscalu. 497819;1392179876;Dimsler_;spiders have the most amount of gay sex 497820;1392180082;moiety;my address will take 4 hours, is that usual? 1chipug was gonna take 3 days 497821;1392180110;moiety;--and yes, my laptop is shit 497822;1392180154;benkay;relevant to spider sex 497823;1392180167;moiety;totally! queen of relevance me 497824;1392180171;moiety;sorry! 497825;1392180179;benkay;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_yYC5r8xMI 497826;1392180180;ozbot;Peacock Spider 7 - YouTube 497827;1392180209;benkay;yeah moiety you in trouble nao 497828;1392180223;benkay;;) 497829;1392180264;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i kept waiting for the Pythagorean drowning scene in there. 497830;1392180302;moiety;benkay: that spider is so cute!!! 497831;1392180337;benkay;moiety: and downright hypnotic to boot 497832;1392180349;moiety;spider: \o/ ladies over here! \o/ 497833;1392180355;moiety;lol 497834;1392180359;asciilifeform;moiety: it's a fat little bugger: http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/laser/machine.png 497835;1392180409;asciilifeform;50kg or so. 497836;1392180410;moiety;that is so cool, plenty hiding space, i am small! lol what do you use it for asciilifeform? 497837;1392180418;moiety;it weighs the same as me!!!! 497838;1392180431;asciilifeform;moiety: sorta like an expensive jigsaw. 497839;1392180505;moiety;benkay: 6 is a good video too. the males really like to rub their balls (palps) on their faces don't they?! 497840;1392180557;moiety;asciilifeform: it's even got a Big Red Button! 497841;1392180582;asciilifeform;moiety: exactly what it looks like. hit with fist, cuts off the mains. twist to unpop. 497842;1392180601;moiety;i need this in my life :( 497843;1392180602;asciilifeform;these are standard on Machine Tools That Mangle Flesh (tm) 497844;1392180612;moiety;lolololol 497845;1392180648;benkay;mandated even, depending on jurisdiction. 497846;1392180650;moiety;i was always waiting on some twat getting caught in the shredder at work 497847;1392180676;benkay;what, so that you could clean up the mess?! 497848;1392180680;asciilifeform;moiety: the piece that does, the, well, lasing - http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/laser/tube.png 497849;1392180700;asciilifeform;this is more or less the smallest size they come in (for practical use, that is) 497850;1392180724;moiety;asciilifeform: so in the first pic, you can open the boxy bit and this2nd pic is what is in side? 497851;1392180732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00086893 = 9.2976 BTC [-] {3} 497852;1392180736;moiety;apologies, lasers are fascinating 497853;1392180736;asciilifeform;the back of the cabinet, yes 497854;1392180747;asciilifeform;red wire is 35kV 497855;1392180755;asciilifeform;(bottom red) 497856;1392180787;moiety;woah, you def need your Big Red Button 497857;1392180788;asciilifeform;tube is abundantly chinese, good for maybe 1000 hours. 497858;1392180819;moiety;is it always the same strength? 497859;1392180839;moiety;of zappage or can you adjust 497860;1392180900;moiety;and do you ever lase things you shouldn't? 497861;1392180976;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00087312 = 6.7667 BTC [+] 497862;1392181413;moiety;benkay: what have you done, im watching all these spider vids now 497863;1392181631;KRS-One;F'n cookie clicker. 497864;1392181647;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.0008645 = 10.2876 BTC [-] {2} 497865;1392181647;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 79 @ 0.00470001 = 0.3713 BTC [-] {3} 497866;1392181827;asciilifeform;moiety: 0-40W, there's an analogue knob. 497867;1392181830;mircea_popescu;so a palestinian jew, snowden and obama walk into a bar 497868;1392181838;mircea_popescu;and the bartender goes "what is this, a joke ?" 497869;1392181871;asciilifeform;moiety: 'when used as prescribed,' beam lives in the box. 497870;1392181907;mircea_popescu;moiety are you complaining it takes too long ?! 497871;1392181936;moiety;ah kk promise i'll stop with the laser interrogation now asciilifeform XD 497872;1392181954;moiety;mircea_popescu: no! seemed a lot shorter than the chipug one! 497873;1392181976;asciilifeform;moiety: these are fairly common, off-the-shelf widgets. you can buy them, ~1k usd. 497874;1392181984;mircea_popescu;anyway, yes, you're basically bruteforcing the hash function 497875;1392181991;mircea_popescu;exactly like mining, takes time to find a block 497876;1392182000;benkay;mining, but with only the reward of a shiny address. 497877;1392182002;asciilifeform;if you often have occasion to make very fine cuts in thin materials. 497878;1392182099;moiety;i could find occasion asciilifeform 497879;1392182113;benkay;asciilifeform: http://www.synova.ch/ 497880;1392182114;moiety;so i'm mining again.... look at me, I'm growing 497881;1392182173;asciilifeform;benkay: that'd be the 'adult' version. 497882;1392182177;mircea_popescu;http://www.pidjin.net/2013/10/17/start-me-up/ 497883;1392182178;ozbot;Start me up « Fredo and Pidjin. The Webcomic. 497884;1392182198;asciilifeform;benkay: i'd love one, but where to put the truck-sized instrument. 497885;1392182218;moiety;meh build a house around it 497886;1392182257;mircea_popescu;build a pool around it 497887;1392182270;moiety;LOL i like this pidgin comic 497888;1392182295;mircea_popescu;then host mtv's annual "one thousand derpy chicks in bikinis doing the undulation-on-the-spot" thing 497889;1392182318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11379 @ 0.00086362 = 9.8271 BTC [-] {2} 497890;1392182363;asciilifeform;moiety: it'll go in my Mobile Oppression Palace (tm). 497891;1392182369;asciilifeform;http://theinfosphere.org/Mobile_Oppression_Palace 497892;1392182371;ozbot;Mobile Oppression Palace - The Infosphere, the Futurama Wiki 497893;1392182371;benkay;back in my semi days i had major wood for the synova machines 497894;1392182472;asciilifeform;the bigger cutters tend to have circulating (vs. sealed) lasing gas, which is a royal bitch. 497895;1392182501;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10467 @ 0.00086288 = 9.0318 BTC [-] {2} 497896;1392182510;asciilifeform;perhaps some hero, somewhere, has fit one in a 30 m^2 flat, but not me. 497897;1392182566;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it occurs to me that rather than having a precision mounted, high power supercolimated laser to blind pilots half mile away at the cost of about a million or so 497898;1392182574;mircea_popescu;one could just as well fire an anti-tank missile. 497899;1392182580;asciilifeform;strela. 497900;1392182587;mircea_popescu;as far as my memory serves those things do customarily bridge a half mile gap 497901;1392182596;mircea_popescu;and they don't make armored airplanes just yet 497902;1392182606;asciilifeform;or 'strela-blok', the automatic/unmanned version. 497903;1392182614;moiety;lol naturally! perfect place asciilifeform 497904;1392182616;mircea_popescu;cost per shot is like what, 7k ? 497905;1392182622;asciilifeform;brilliant simplicity, unmanned aerial 'mine.' 497906;1392182643;asciilifeform;(more or less simply 'strela' with the seek-trigger taped down.) 497907;1392182690;mircea_popescu;moar like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumbar 497908;1392182725;asciilifeform;if the plane is in musket range, sure. 497909;1392182766;mircea_popescu;1km 497910;1392182807;mircea_popescu;the whole thing is like 20 lbs, you can carry three. 497911;1392182824;asciilifeform;wire guide. you need a skilled user. 497912;1392182835;mircea_popescu;not as skilled as someone firing the laser. 497913;1392182837;benkay;thrust vectoring! 497914;1392182849;mircea_popescu;and besides... the plane is not as hard to hit as a barn 497915;1392183065;asciilifeform;no big feat of high tech, to break a defenseless flying bus. 497916;1392183073;mircea_popescu;indeed. 497917;1392183086;mircea_popescu;even if you miss it you got a good chance of downing it 497918;1392183112;asciilifeform;even a toy chopper in the intake might be problematic. 497919;1392183119;asciilifeform;as we will probably learn one day 497920;1392183125;mircea_popescu;throw pigeons at the pilot 497921;1392183133;asciilifeform;'frozen goose test' 497922;1392183172;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 625 @ 0.00018001 = 0.1125 BTC [-] {2} 497923;1392183234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7648 @ 0.00086485 = 6.6144 BTC [+] 497924;1392183255;mircea_popescu;so where is the big scare about all the people with their ATM systems within 2 miles of airports ? 497925;1392183287;mircea_popescu;seems a lot more practical to fly a RC plane carring a load of cherry bombs into a plane than to aim laser pointers at the cockpit 497926;1392183294;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14194 @ 0.00017699 = 2.5122 BTC [-] {5} 497927;1392183351;chetty;They are working on it, searching cars and stuff. Pretty soon no cars withing 2miles of airport (hmm bitbet fodder) 497928;1392183374;mircea_popescu;the strella-mounted segway 497929;1392183429;asciilifeform;toy chopper + several ir bolometers (as used in burglar alarms.) 497930;1392183437;asciilifeform;poor man's strela. 497931;1392183599;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9402 @ 0.0008695 = 8.175 BTC [+] 497932;1392183660;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.124 = 0.248 BTC [-] {2} 497933;1392183700;chetty;<< waves at the NSA guy recording 497934;1392183721;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.123 = 0.246 BTC [-] 497935;1392184106;mircea_popescu;o wait. i remember now. strela was the only portion of iraq's revolutionary guard that actually did any damage whatsoever 497936;1392184121;mircea_popescu;there were what, a dozen or two planes lost to the... 5 batteries they had ? 497937;1392184199;benkay;better kill rate than the Boeing batteries... 497938;1392184342;chetty;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2556586/Reach-sky-Overzealous-Heathrow-security-officials-confiscate-Toy-Story-cowboy-Woody-DOLLS-miniature-gun.html 497939;1392184343;ozbot;Reach for the sky Overzealous Heathrow security officials confiscate Toy Story cowboy Woody DOLL'S m 497940;1392184532;moiety;lol@dailymail 497941;1392184636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00086339 = 7.8568 BTC [-] {2} 497942;1392184675;chetty;somebody make guncoin! 497943;1392184697;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1292 @ 0.000475 = 0.6137 BTC [+] {2} 497944;1392184736;mircea_popescu;wow yeah, no ammocoin ? 497945;1392185002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00086725 = 33.4759 BTC [+] {2} 497946;1392185373;moiety;lolol i love scotland https://twitter.com/ailsabm/status/433154320029454336/photo/1 497947;1392185521;benkay;you live in scotland, i gather moiety? 497948;1392185536;moiety;yep benkay 497949;1392185551;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00086745 = 7.4167 BTC [+] 497950;1392185557;moiety;i can send you some really nice whiskey lol 497951;1392185571;mircea_popescu;http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-grid-attack-20140211,0,7627269.story 497952;1392185572;ozbot;Sophisticated but low-tech power grid attack baffles authorities - latimes.com 497953;1392185573;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ^ 497954;1392185578;benkay;pleaes do 497955;1392185584;mircea_popescu;they be hiring armed guards soon 497956;1392185624;benkay;ah good the privitization of the North American polizei will begin shortly 497957;1392185655;mircea_popescu;helps the economy anyway 497958;1392185686;mircea_popescu;if 100 mn people shuffle paper, 100mn people prop rifles guarding them and the rest do laundry, moccacinos and babysitting for the other two groups 497959;1392185695;mircea_popescu;the dollar can go but up up up. 497960;1392185762;mircea_popescu;" The FBI is still working the case, and agents say they are confident it was not the work of terrorists. 497961;1392185762;mircea_popescu;What they do not have is a motive, fingerprints or suspects." 497962;1392185781;mircea_popescu;here's a free theory : silicon valley entertains these delusions of fighting the bitcoin republic. 497963;1392185837;mircea_popescu;i hope i'm not too late for the theory parade. 497964;1392186268;benkay;implying these were bitterrists? 497965;1392186278;mircea_popescu;not implying anything at all 497966;1392186284;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4239 @ 0.00086271 = 3.657 BTC [-] 497967;1392186293;mircea_popescu;merely observing that if the us holds no bitcoin, the continued existence of the us is of no further importance. 497968;1392186333;mircea_popescu;wanna-be leaders are playing with their own future and that's about all. 497969;1392186731;benkay;eh 497970;1392186735;benkay;the smart ones are long 497971;1392186751;benkay;all local power structures are in for a serious shakeup 497972;1392187077;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 900 @ 0.00017445 = 0.157 BTC [-] {4} 497973;1392187155;mircea_popescu;can't hurt anything. 497974;1392187389;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: power grid shenanigan is old news. pinged you when it went public. 497975;1392187392;moiety;that gold crackhead actually broke imgur. still cant get it to load...and i never even saw her! 497976;1392187407;mircea_popescu;certainly, old news. 497977;1392187420;mircea_popescu;moiety maybe it's banned in your country ? 497978;1392187436;asciilifeform;either an 'own goal' (the finest security theatre) or a 'floor model.' 497979;1392187439;moiety;i usually use it.... must be the crack element 497980;1392187461;asciilifeform;given the almost total lack of english-language news coverage of the event, probably #2. 497981;1392187487;asciilifeform;like that chinese rocket test off the CA coast. 497982;1392187580;asciilifeform;it's a horse head on a pillow. demo. 497983;1392187636;asciilifeform;that, or GRU lives, and it's #1 beautifully masquerading as #2. 497984;1392187686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00086 = 3.44 BTC [-] 497985;1392187726;mircea_popescu;lol 497986;1392187762;mircea_popescu;nobody's gassing anybody dood. the times when men were men and stuff happened are long gone. 497987;1392187799;mircea_popescu;now the downside of dumping the entire bulk of us secrets on the open market is... well... you won't get any ice in your soda. THATLL TEACH YOU! 497988;1392187816;mircea_popescu;sort-of like how kramer removed the dessicant packets from some store. 497989;1392187872;mircea_popescu;so sony bonds are now junk 497990;1392187888;mircea_popescu;who'd have thought this, sony, the king&queen of foundries, the master of entertainment 497991;1392187976;moiety;[imgur worked] 497992;1392187995;benkay;link? 497993;1392188030;mircea_popescu;;;later mike_c hey check out SNE : 95 revenue per share, trading at 17. 497994;1392188031;gribble;Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "mike_c" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin. 497995;1392188034;mircea_popescu;;;later tell mike_c hey check out SNE : 95 revenue per share, trading at 17. 497996;1392188035;gribble;The operation succeeded. 497997;1392188042;moiety;http://i.imgur.com/kqrYBFI.jpg 497998;1392188070;BingoBoingo;In the coming decades there will probably be some "Japanese Syndrome" appearing in scholarly paper supposing something or another explains Sony. I doubt it will get to the root cause which is the Japanese fucking drought. 497999;1392188070;moiety;oh dear god whats wrong with her face 498000;1392188095;mircea_popescu;and a book value per share of roughly twice the share price. incredible. 498001;1392188119;mircea_popescu;moiety cocksucking does that eventually. 498002;1392188270;moiety;i think my laptop was trying to protect me by blocking imgur 498003;1392188296;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0694 = 0.4858 BTC [-] {2} 498004;1392188299;cazalla;it's goldmember 498005;1392188303;cazalla;hish farja 498006;1392188315;mircea_popescu;cazalla has it lol. bitcoin floundation gold member. 498007;1392188333;moiety;lol! 498008;1392188526;moiety;what's happened with BTCe? 40k? 498009;1392188581;moiety;they've said they aren't covering it 498010;1392188652;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1r82hw/if_you_lose_your_email_provider_all_of_your_coins/ 498011;1392188653;ozbot;IF YOU LOSE YOUR EMAIL PROVIDER ALL OF YOUR COINS ON BTC-E WILL BE LOST : Bitcoin 498012;1392188662;mircea_popescu;derp security model : why use gpg keys ? use emails instead! 498013;1392188665;mircea_popescu;just as good... 498014;1392188740;Duffer1;top comment "I dont recommend anyone to hold their money in one exchange but 3 different" 498015;1392188774;moiety;thank you mircea_popescu 498016;1392188809;Duffer1;moiety 40k? 498017;1392188818;moiety;they are saying they have been hacked to the tune of 40,000btc 498018;1392188839;Duffer1;where are they saying this? 498019;1392188882;moiety;oh wait, im getting told from someone else. the wallet the alleged hacker has, has 40k in it 498020;1392188897;Duffer1;ah 498021;1392188936;moiety;that's what i hated most about being scammed. i could see where it went and couldn't do anything about it 498022;1392188956;Duffer1;how much did you get taken for? 498023;1392188962;moiety;1.6 btc 498024;1392188967;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you busy ? 498025;1392188987;Duffer1;sucks man, sorry to hear it 498026;1392188990;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: For some definitions, but not especially busy. 498027;1392188998;cazalla;1.6 isn't too bad 498028;1392189002;benkay;you got off light, moiety. 498029;1392189013;mircea_popescu;how about making a complete collection of satoshi's letters to the various email lists ? 498030;1392189024;mircea_popescu;ima adnotate and publish that bitch 498031;1392189077;moiety;thanks guys. oh i know that benkay, thing was, it wasn't my BTC 498032;1392189091;benkay;ka-yikes. 498033;1392189095;moiety;and its a lot when you don't have it to replace instantly 498034;1392189102;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Why not? Shouldn't be anywhere near as bad as trying to get a useful transcript out of that NYDFS abortion. 498035;1392189110;mircea_popescu;cool. 498036;1392189162;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You have a timeline in mind? 498037;1392189170;cazalla;moiety: so you lost it recently? 498038;1392189170;mircea_popescu;not particularly. 498039;1392189173;mircea_popescu;ideally before i forget. 498040;1392189233;BingoBoingo;I'll try to get them together within a week or two. 498041;1392189246;moiety;lol nooo cazalla this is what makes it even worse! It was when they were like around $1k! 498042;1392189257;BingoBoingo;Have no idea how many there actually are 498043;1392189275;moiety;will *not* happen to me again though! tell yous that! 498044;1392189315;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo bout a mb 498045;1392189329;mircea_popescu;rounded to the closest mb. 498046;1392189358;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Any good ideas where to begin looking? I know the early ones are on the cryptography mailing list. 498047;1392189371;moiety;BingoBoingo: i know you said to do this months ago too.... but im vanitying as we speak! :) 498048;1392189374;mircea_popescu;yeah, that'd be my idea 498049;1392189466;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Here's the Cryptography mailing list emails: http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=cryptography@metzdowd.com&q=from:%22Satoshi+Nakamoto%22 498050;1392189511;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo if you reduce the search to "satoshi" you find 2x as many hits 498051;1392189518;mircea_popescu;also worth googling by emails etc. 498052;1392189598;benkay;don't forget, BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts 498053;1392189611;benkay;ALL MUST WADE THROUGH THE SWAMP 498054;1392189657;BingoBoingo;Oh, particularly relevant to the current GOx trouble: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2151.msg28228#msg28228 498055;1392189676;mircea_popescu;lol benkay is a zombie 498056;1392189680;mircea_popescu;wishes to spread his blessings 498057;1392189760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18951 @ 0.00085948 = 16.288 BTC [-] {3} 498058;1392189825;benkay;also relevant to things 498059;1392189838;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the one thing of course is that there was that guy earlier declaring he hs proof satoshi = nick szabo on the grounds of linguistic analysis 498060;1392189843;benkay;"Piling every proof-of-work quorum system in the world into one dataset doesn't scale" 498061;1392189847;mircea_popescu;can't hurt to compare your eventual set with his. 498062;1392189891;mircea_popescu;nothing ever scales until it does. 498063;1392189974;BingoBoingo;Ok, so the pre- November 22nd, 2009 forum is gone from sourceforge. 498064;1392189984;mircea_popescu;interesting how that works huh. 498065;1392190126;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 37 @ 0.05877025 = 2.1745 BTC [+] {8} 498066;1392190215;BingoBoingo;The internet is better at forgetting than people give it credit for. 498067;1392190278;midnightmagic;It's not gone, there are copies. 498068;1392190318;benkay;midnightmagic: it'd be a blessing to history if you'd help track one down. 498069;1392190396;midnightmagic;benkay: I agree. :-( The complete collected writing of Satoshi I think would provide incredible insight overall just as simple reading material. Unfortunately since bitcointalk edits history enormously, the history will likely never be complete. 498070;1392190416;benkay;*shrug* 498071;1392190420;benkay;something's better than nothing! 498072;1392190424;midnightmagic;I agree. 498073;1392190626;benkay;ha shit so in this case bitbet could be used as a bounty system 498074;1392190797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 332 @ 0.00086045 = 0.2857 BTC [+] 498075;1392190806;benkay;"archives of pre 2009 bitcointalk.org will be posted for public consumption by thus and such a date" 498076;1392190809;benkay;10btc on no 498077;1392190857;benkay;anyone with a copy of the forum can post 0.1 on yes, post the copies and claim the reward. 498078;1392190986;mircea_popescu;or even without the copy. 498079;1392191026;mircea_popescu;anyway, ima see you all later. don't break anything 498080;1392191073;moiety;cheerio! i can't promise.. 498081;1392192627;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0485 = 0.194 BTC [-] 498082;1392193276;KRS-One;.bait 498083;1392193278;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/avatar_006ce2d000e8_512.png 498084;1392193505;KRS-One;.bait 498085;1392193510;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma0t1e9Zel1qb139no1_1280.jpg 498086;1392193528;KRS-One;Oh...my....gawd. 498087;1392193532;KRS-One;My dreamgirl. 498088;1392193719;moiety;she doesnt look real dude 498089;1392193725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00086476 = 14.4415 BTC [+] {2} 498090;1392193765;moiety;;;later tell benkay neither! I take it back! 498091;1392193765;gribble;The operation succeeded. 498092;1392193772;moiety;yay 498093;1392193786;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04770007 = 0.5724 BTC [-] {4} 498094;1392194091;moiety;;;later tell benkay wrong again, but i know now :P 498095;1392194091;gribble;The operation succeeded. 498096;1392195006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00086591 = 9.7848 BTC [+] 498097;1392195799;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.573 BTC [+] 498098;1392196531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00086402 = 9.1586 BTC [-] 498099;1392196836;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 32 @ 0.07792113 = 2.4935 BTC [+] {8} 498100;1392197690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5636 @ 0.00086398 = 4.8694 BTC [-] {2} 498101;1392198178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00086415 = 4.7528 BTC [+] 498102;1392198844;kakobrekla;lolz 498103;1392198845;kakobrekla;https://www.bitstamp.net:443/article/bitcoin-withdraws-suspended/ 498104;1392198846;ozbot;Bitcoin withdrawal processing suspended - Bitstamp 498105;1392198849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00086415 = 2.3764 BTC [+] 498106;1392199764;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+] 498107;1392199765;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 200 @ 0.00198459 = 0.3969 BTC [+] 498108;1392199826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350 @ 0.00086415 = 0.3025 BTC [+] 498109;1392199886;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1777 @ 0.00016951 = 0.3012 BTC [-] {5} 498110;1392199887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.000107 = 0.535 BTC [-] 498111;1392199947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 600 @ 0.00086605 = 0.5196 BTC [+] 498112;1392200008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 10000 @ 0.000107 = 1.07 BTC [-] 498113;1392200130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15510 @ 0.00086393 = 13.3996 BTC [-] {3} 498114;1392200313;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.080007 = 0.56 BTC [+] 498115;1392200557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 1262 @ 0.000107 = 0.135 BTC [-] 498116;1392200618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 13000 @ 0.000105 = 1.365 BTC [-] 498117;1392200679;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00086605 = 4.1137 BTC [+] {2} 498118;1392200740;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00086672 = 10.834 BTC [+] {2} 498119;1392200923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350 @ 0.00086675 = 0.3034 BTC [+] 498120;1392201350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00086798 = 5.9023 BTC [+] {2} 498121;1392201594;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 24 @ 0.08 = 1.92 BTC [-] 498122;1392202687;jurov;benkay we tried a bounty "bitcoin spec to be published by summer" but obviously it did not work :D 498123;1392202931;kakobrekla;;;seen cmyers 498124;1392202932;gribble;I have not seen cmyers. 498125;1392203058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00086809 = 6.0766 BTC [+] 498126;1392203546;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04896988 = 0.1959 BTC [+] 498127;1392204034;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.04896988 = 0.4407 BTC [+] {2} 498128;1392204400;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 50 @ 0.080007 = 4.0004 BTC [+] 498129;1392204461;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04896988 = 0.2448 BTC [+] {2} 498130;1392205254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00086804 = 4.7742 BTC [-] 498131;1392205853;KRS-One;Did jew guys see this? McCaleb is back- 498132;1392205854;KRS-One;http://newsbtc.com/2014/02/11/mt-gox-founder-jed-mccaleb-announces-secret-bitcoin-project/ 498133;1392205859;KRS-One;.bait 498134;1392205861;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m81qwnSHG61qfn16so1_1280.jpg 498135;1392205872;KRS-One;fail 498136;1392205873;KRS-One;.bait 498137;1392205875;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maid1oWPFS1rn3jhgo1_500.png 498138;1392205885;KRS-One;.bait 498139;1392205887;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdx96pnVPf1r3mxnxo1_1280.jpg 498140;1392205911;KRS-One;wtf she has dirty man feet 498141;1392206306;KRS-One;http://i.imgur.com/auLSxMu.jpg 498142;1392206311;KRS-One;I vote 'A', Bitcorn. 498143;1392206352;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53999999 = 1.08 BTC [-] {2} 498144;1392206902;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+] 498145;1392206903;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 498146;1392207512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00086768 = 7.6356 BTC [-] 498147;1392207572;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.08 = 0.48 BTC [-] 498148;1392208182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00086812 = 17.102 BTC [+] {3} 498149;1392208548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00086867 = 10.6412 BTC [+] {2} 498150;1392209585;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 498151;1392209768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5467 @ 0.00086934 = 4.7527 BTC [+] 498152;1392209890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14247 @ 0.00086764 = 12.3613 BTC [-] {2} 498153;1392209913;usaoscoin;KRS-One: that last one is not very hot 498154;1392210378;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19593 @ 0.00086724 = 16.9918 BTC [-] {3} 498155;1392210439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00086934 = 13.3009 BTC [+] 498156;1392211842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00086665 = 11.0065 BTC [-] {4} 498157;1392212025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00086329 = 3.4532 BTC [-] 498158;1392213428;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.124 BTC [-] 498159;1392213550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52002001 = 1.04 BTC [-] 498160;1392213723;ThickAsThieves;.Q GRIBBLE 498161;1392213792;KRS-One;usaoscoin: yeah and I have a thing about females having man hands or man feet. Don't blame me if you begin to notice this more =D 498162;1392213804;KRS-One;Ever see a girl with a man-ass? 498163;1392213818;usaoscoin;I was talking about http://i.imgur.com/auLSxMu.jpg 498164;1392213866;kakobrekla;you know we ar eopen you here, you can just say you like men KRS-One 498165;1392213923;kakobrekla;and we understand you are using .bait excessively to help cover for it 498166;1392214377;ThickAsThieves;http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2014/02/castaway-fisherman-returns-el-salvador-201421254114337717.html 498167;1392214387;ThickAsThieves;"Crowd gathers to welcome man who says he spent a year adrift in the Pacific Ocean, surviving on fish and turtle blood." 498168;1392214587;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.0056871 = 0.3697 BTC [-] 498169;1392214892;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8270 @ 0.00086345 = 7.1407 BTC [+] 498170;1392215014;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.08 = 0.96 BTC [-] 498171;1392215319;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.04668543 = 0.8403 BTC [-] {5} 498172;1392215380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00086329 = 11.1364 BTC [-] 498173;1392215563;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00086591 = 17.7512 BTC [+] {2} 498174;1392215723;btc-monkey;!ticker havelock am1 498175;1392215724;assbot;[HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.49550000 / 0.52362164 / 0.57900200 (178 shares, 93.20465206 BTC), 7D: 0.49000000 / 0.53917608 / 0.61000000 (898 shares, 484.18012358 BTC), 30D: 0.34000000 / 0.53484515 / 0.74500000 (4452 shares, 2381.13062938 BTC) 498176;1392215774;btc-monkey;!last h am1 498177;1392215774;assbot;Last trade for AM1 on HAVELOCK was at 0.52002001 BTC [-] 498178;1392216132;KRS-One;kakobrekla: I'll hold off on the feminine European jokes and just say I have more hetero-juice in my chesthairs then I really need =D 498179;1392216209;KRS-One;you don't see man-feet in that last pic? 498180;1392216210;ThickAsThieves;you prefer men finish on your chest? 498181;1392216219;KRS-One;lmao 498182;1392216226;KRS-One;gross 498183;1392216231;ThickAsThieves;you said it not me 498184;1392216241;KRS-One;yes..i did lol 498185;1392216254;KRS-One;foot->mouth 498186;1392216264;ThickAsThieves;also a foot fetish? 498187;1392216269;KRS-One;no way 498188;1392216275;KRS-One;read: man-feet above 498189;1392216290;KRS-One;this needs a bait moment 498190;1392216291;KRS-One;.bait 498191;1392216293;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7iqp6MIxk1r1rxrbo1_1280.png 498192;1392216304;ThickAsThieves;throw her back! 498193;1392216312;KRS-One;haha! she's a good catch 498194;1392216317;KRS-One;hey did you see this site? 498195;1392216317;KRS-One;https://www.bitcoinbuilder.com/ 498196;1392216324;ThickAsThieves;yes 498197;1392216330;ThickAsThieves;i linked it a day or two ago 498198;1392216337;KRS-One;oh my bad 498199;1392216342;ThickAsThieves;how dare you! 498200;1392216356;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5499998 BTC [+] 498201;1392216364;ThickAsThieves;interesting who created it 498202;1392216367;ThickAsThieves;and that he's saying so 498203;1392216466;KRS-One;yea 498204;1392216478;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5499999 BTC [+] 498205;1392216481;KRS-One;how do i search the #bitcoin-assets log? Just do a google search? 498206;1392216743;deadweasel;seems like the way, if you can't grep your own logs 498207;1392216771;KRS-One;when im not connected to IRC i'm not logging irc. 498208;1392216782;KRS-One;Heh this is funny: http://cltampa.com/binary/97f1/1_bounce_ball_dildo_exercise_sexercise_toy.jpg 498209;1392216801;KRS-One;Maybe we should send MtGox some new bounce balls to sit on. 498210;1392217027;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 23 @ 0.08 = 1.84 BTC [-] 498211;1392217227;deadweasel;i'm pretty sure they capable of fucking themselves w/o our help. 498212;1392217326;deadweasel;or with the elp of a dildo/yoga ball 498213;1392217820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00086329 = 12.0861 BTC [-] {2} 498214;1392217820;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 98 @ 0.00535987 = 0.5253 BTC [-] {6} 498215;1392217942;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00530421 = 0.1963 BTC [-] {2} 498216;1392218430;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7917 @ 0.00086717 = 6.8654 BTC [+] {2} 498217;1392218796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00086741 = 6.9393 BTC [+] {3} 498218;1392219328;Apocalyptic;"mark karpeles was raised in a romanian orphanage" // mircea may have some insights on that 498219;1392219345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10748 @ 0.00086461 = 9.2928 BTC [-] 498220;1392219436;jurov;o, he's expert on romanian orphanages? 498221;1392219476;ThickAsThieves;jurov you pm'd me? 498222;1392219494;jurov;yes, you did not receive anything? 498223;1392219504;ThickAsThieves;just "hello" 498224;1392219537;jurov;i'll retry without otr 498225;1392219564;jurov;got it now? 498226;1392219613;jurov;D: 498227;1392219745;Apocalyptic;jurov, well that's where he picks up the chicks right ? 498228;1392219786;jurov;ThickAsThieves: still nothing? i see everything you pm me 498229;1392220843;ThickAsThieves;"Has anyone thought about holding a decentralized conference as well? " 498230;1392220883;mike_c;i guess he hasn't heard of this channel. 498231;1392220911;jurov;bitcoin-assets : the longest ongoing bitcoin conference 498232;1392220947;ThickAsThieves;what's next, Has anyone considering decentralizing love? 498233;1392220954;jurov;yes 498234;1392220961;jurov;it's called polyamory 498235;1392220990;ThickAsThieves;i suppose 498236;1392221019;ThickAsThieves;requires using the blockchain somehow 498237;1392221020;pankkake;and what's decentralized sex 498238;1392221029;ThickAsThieves;ozbot 498239;1392221058;jurov;how to decentralize glory holes ? 498240;1392221074;pankkake;so basically decentralized is masturbation. seems consistent 498241;1392221106;ThickAsThieves;it's a lot of people doing alone, what they could be doing together 498242;1392221123;ThickAsThieves;anywho 498243;1392221166;ThickAsThieves;"The journey is over for China's moon rover. China's state news agency is reporting today that the country's space agency has not been able to restore function to the Jade Rabbit rover" 498244;1392221171;asciilifeform;one could imagine a 'decentralized conference'. send ascii chars as low-bytes of TX to addr A. 498245;1392221173;ThickAsThieves;shoulda decentralized it 498246;1392221187;asciilifeform;imagine if every byte you threw in this channel cost a few satoshi. 498247;1392221195;asciilifeform;all the bums/beggars would be gone... 498248;1392221224;asciilifeform;it would be a little slow. perhaps more like mailing list than irc. 498249;1392221257;benkay;now imagine if emails cost a few satoshi. 498250;1392221274;ThickAsThieves;would be awesome 498251;1392221289;asciilifeform;this is quite easy to build 498252;1392221291;asciilifeform;anyone can do it. 498253;1392221303;asciilifeform;trick is - getting your phriends to use it. 498254;1392221329;asciilifeform;would certainly encourage terseness. 498255;1392221361;pankkake;actually, that's one of the earliest proof of work ideas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashcash 498256;1392221368;ThickAsThieves;then drivel communications could be left for facebook etc 498257;1392221369;asciilifeform;pankkake: correct. 498258;1392221470;asciilifeform;the server (if one may call it that) could even be programmed to return coin to the sending addr every now and then 498259;1392221481;asciilifeform;except, obviously, for folks who are kicked out of the 'channel' in disgrace 498260;1392221484;asciilifeform;(e.g. spammers) 498261;1392221521;asciilifeform;blockchain then becomes the log. 498262;1392221525;pankkake;I was thinking of creating a service for that. pay X coins to create an identity that will be allowed without captchas on any compatible website 498263;1392221526;asciilifeform;and no need for gribble 498264;1392221538;asciilifeform;(everybody's handle is their addr) 498265;1392221640;asciilifeform;anyone with a btc node could be the 'server.' 498266;1392221653;ThickAsThieves; I was thinking of creating a service for that. pay X coins to create an identity that will be allowed without captchas on any compatible website ---- this falls under same premise as me wanting the WoT to be user/service friendly 498267;1392221681;benkay;wot apps are not hard 498268;1392221685;benkay;"i am user thus and such" 498269;1392221690;benkay;emit gpg challenge 498270;1392221693;ThickAsThieves;make like Wotsy or whatever, and use it for auth all over the web 498271;1392221703;Apocalyptic;"Wotsy" horrible name 498272;1392221724;Apocalyptic;it's like OpenID 498273;1392221725;ThickAsThieves;Apocalypticsy then 498274;1392221734;benkay;receive and process response to challenge, return "yes" or "no" to service who's curious about a particular login 498275;1392221737;pankkake;eh, a few months ago, I was looking for something to write, and a guy told me "make otc user friendly" 498276;1392221764;benkay;your barrier is still the GPG part. no amout of user-friendliness is going to get past the challenges most internet users will have with gpg authentication. 498277;1392221765;pankkake;but things like openpgpjs are not secure 498278;1392221796;asciilifeform;luser-friendly -> user-hostile. 498279;1392221801;asciilifeform;as observed by MP and others. 498280;1392221819;pankkake;creates a false sense of security at least 498281;1392221821;ThickAsThieves;just use bitcoin wallet signing then 498282;1392221828;Apocalyptic;that's even worse 498283;1392221850;ThickAsThieves;then i leave these things to people that know better 498284;1392221852;pankkake;yes, why not. but it's not especially friendlier, you have to copy paste etc. 498285;1392221884;benkay;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjL6Y-c-HUo 498286;1392221884;gribble;The operation succeeded. 498287;1392221888;pankkake;I was thinking of generating GPG contracts for trades etc., the whole thing 498288;1392221915;Apocalyptic;i never really got why gribble allows a btc-address based identiy 498289;1392221968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00086565 = 10.9938 BTC [+] 498290;1392222005;ThickAsThieves;why shouldnt it? 498291;1392222088;pankkake;it's just less practical for authentication, GPG keys are much more flexible and secure especially if you use multiple computers 498292;1392222097;Apocalyptic;why would people use that whereas there is a GPG identity system based exactly for that purpose, much older and wider spread 498293;1392222100;pankkake;you can only use subkeys for example 498294;1392222114;Apocalyptic;pankkake probably said it better than me 498295;1392222145;pankkake;supports revocation, too. basically bitcoin signatures are "lower level", you have a public/private key and that's it 498296;1392222157;Apocalyptic;to me it comes unatural to use btc-privkey for auth purposes 498297;1392222175;ThickAsThieves;lower level, seems user friendlier 498298;1392222187;benkay;just because there's a keypair in there doesn't mean one should use it. 498299;1392222204;ThickAsThieves;does it mean they shouldnt though? 498300;1392222213;benkay;"we need a feature!" strikes again. 498301;1392222267;pankkake;you can use it, there's just no advantage in using it 498302;1392222283;benkay;from an opsec perspective, many disadvantages. 498303;1392222289;pankkake;and you're stuck with that priv/pub key forever 498304;1392222296;benkay;the answer to your question is yes, ThickAsThieves. 498305;1392222319;benkay;btc keypairs are ephemeral. gpg has a whole toolchain around the use-cases for crypto that have, you know, actually been thought through. 498306;1392222337;benkay;maybe poorly, but nowhere near as poorly as those in the wild for btc message signing. 498307;1392222367;benkay;what about btc-key based decryption of messages? do we have this yet? i've never looked for the functionality. 498308;1392222382;pankkake;bitcoin's encryption choices come from the need to have small outputs too, gpg doesn't and can thus do a lot of other things 498309;1392222395;Apocalyptic;indeed 498310;1392222414;ThickAsThieves;ive only used either for the same purposes mostly 498311;1392222422;ThickAsThieves;verification of a message or identity 498312;1392222427;ThickAsThieves;decryption* 498313;1392222442;ThickAsThieves;i'm not arguing against what you say 498314;1392222456;ThickAsThieves;just saying btc message signing has worked just fine for me 498315;1392222472;ThickAsThieves;so has gpg 498316;1392222491;ThickAsThieves;gpg to the infrequent user is a little more tedious 498317;1392222497;pankkake;another feature is signing other's keys. basically, serves as identity verification 498318;1392222546;pankkake;well actually you don't sign the key, you sign an identity (name+mail usually) 498319;1392222602;btc-monkey;!last h am1 498320;1392222602;assbot;Last trade for AM1 on HAVELOCK was at 0.5499999 BTC [+] 498321;1392222620;benkay;operational security is one of those things that can be done entirely incorrectly and feel so right to the end-user. 498322;1392222708;benkay;this is one of the reasons I want a cardano. 498323;1392222721;jurov;nekay, gpg key is no less ephemeral than bitcoin 498324;1392222728;jurov;*benkay 498325;1392222747;benkay;jurov: that's a little pedantic, neh? 498326;1392222776;benkay;fully granted that they're both just bits on disk. 498327;1392222777;jurov;either you backup it and risk it will leak (or that you forget the passphrase) 498328;1392222786;jurov;or you don't backup 498329;1392222797;Apocalyptic;jurov, he didn't meant ephemeral in that way 498330;1392222798;benkay;but btc addresses are generated and thrown away regularly in the satoshi client. 498331;1392222798;jurov;and will lose it anyway 498332;1392222823;jurov;orly? afaik they ware never wiped out from the wallet 498333;1392222826;benkay;a gpg keypair is meant to endure through many many uses. 498334;1392222829;jurov;*are never 498335;1392222844;benkay;not "wiped" no but one can exceed the 100 pregenerated addresses 498336;1392222853;jurov;whaaaa? 498337;1392222877;benkay;iirc, wallets are written to disk with the next hundred receipt addresses 498338;1392222879;benkay;(upon generation) 498339;1392222885;Apocalyptic;a wallet can have more than 100 adresses 498340;1392222893;jurov;of course it's not limited, just increase the pool and it refills 498341;1392222896;Apocalyptic;and the "100" figure is just the default keypoolsize 498342;1392222902;jurov;automatically 498343;1392222902;Apocalyptic;you can change it at will 498344;1392222904;benkay;if you "ask" the client for more than that number of receipt addresses, your old backups become stale. 498345;1392222919;jurov;i have seen 120MB wallet in the wild, did not count how many addies 498346;1392222932;nubbins`;so, everyone enjoying sochi? 498347;1392222933;benkay;sure 498348;1392222939;benkay;kinda makes my point for me 498349;1392222953;benkay;addresses are spun up routinely. gpg keys should be treated differently. 498350;1392222956;jurov;ah so. but it's the same with pgp. if you swet expiry date as they recommend 498351;1392222959;jurov;*set 498352;1392222969;jurov;and don't backup after you have prolonged it 498353;1392222975;jurov;then it ends the same 498354;1392223025;jurov;all in all, i don't see any substantial difference 498355;1392223084;benkay;pedantry later 498356;1392223091;benkay;client meeting. api vendor wrangling. 498357;1392223128;jurov;btw, use electrum then. one passphrase forever. 498358;1392223249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00086546 = 3.0291 BTC [-] {2} 498359;1392223277;nubbins`;just got a forum PM for a guy looking to do a face-to-face casascius-for-cash trade 498360;1392223279;nubbins`;that's a first 498361;1392223310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00086648 = 11.1343 BTC [+] 498362;1392223388;ThickAsThieves;terrorist probly 498363;1392223451;nubbins`;"i can probably find someone to meet you in most major cities. other than quebec." 498364;1392223774;nubbins`;•ﺑ• 498365;1392223920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00086725 = 10.5805 BTC [+] {2} 498366;1392223920;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.07252498 = 0.7252 BTC [+] {6} 498367;1392223981;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.073795 = 0.5904 BTC [+] {2} 498368;1392224042;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.07399555 = 0.666 BTC [+] {2} 498369;1392224408;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.43596731 BTC to 1`497 shares, 95923 satoshi per share 498370;1392225018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00086385 = 12.6554 BTC [-] {2} 498371;1392225159;lysobit;assbot! 498372;1392225174;assbot; :* 498373;1392225175;lysobit;that was underwhelming 498374;1392225232;kakobrekla;you must be new? 498375;1392225238;lysobit;yes 498376;1392225245;kakobrekla;welcome 498377;1392225251;lysobit;thanks 498378;1392225262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 25086 @ 0.000105 = 2.634 BTC [-] 498379;1392225281;freztek;he only came in here to shout assbot. 498380;1392225445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.0008681 = 2.6043 BTC [+] 498381;1392225506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00086828 = 13.5886 BTC [+] {2} 498382;1392225539;kakobrekla;sup mjr_ 498383;1392225696;kakobrekla;bye mjr_ 498384;1392226171;Whoopziedaisy_;howdy yall! 498385;1392226238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00086637 = 1.4728 BTC [-] 498386;1392226371;asciilifeform;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-12/another-jpmorgan-banker-dies-37-year-old-executive-director-program-trading 498387;1392226373;ozbot;Another JPMorgan Banker Dies, 37 Year Old Executive Director Of Program Trading | Zero Hedge 498388;1392226543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00086516 = 3.6769 BTC [-] {2} 498389;1392227047;mircea_popescu;;;later tell benkay so what is that ? 498390;1392227047;gribble;The operation succeeded. 498391;1392227580;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00086854 = 1.7371 BTC [+] 498392;1392227946;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00086862 = 6.8621 BTC [+] {2} 498393;1392228374;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.123 BTC [-] 498394;1392228375;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 498395;1392229044;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.07388095 = 1.5515 BTC [+] {2} 498396;1392229046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8473 @ 0.00086939 = 7.3663 BTC [+] 498397;1392229253;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic: "mark karpeles was raised in a romanian orphanage" << wait, WHAT ?! 498398;1392229262;mircea_popescu;no.fucking.wai. 498399;1392229327;mircea_popescu;jurov: it's called polyamory << don't be silly, that's not decentralised love, that's just love without arbitrary barriers to entry. 498400;1392229334;mircea_popescu;love is always centralised by its nature. 498401;1392229375;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: imagine if every byte you threw in this channel cost a few satoshi. << eventually the chan will work like mpex, +m and it costs w/e to have voice. 498402;1392229416;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that was the object of the (gedanken)experiment, yes. 498403;1392229445;mircea_popescu;i made trilema +m at some point in 2012 when i was sick of the romanians' drivel 498404;1392229449;mircea_popescu;has worked admirably so far. 498405;1392229456;mircea_popescu;before that, it was doing 5k lines a day or some shit 498406;1392229493;asciilifeform;you'd 'log in' once, by sending a tx with some specified value to 'A' (addr of 'channel') and two others, say, X and Y. low byte of every tx value X->Y is a payload byte. 498407;1392229510;asciilifeform;'recycle' the coin by moving from Y->X when some time passes (to minimize fee.) 498408;1392229515;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/o-luna-de-trilema-prin-ochii-lu-gribble/ 498409;1392229517;ozbot;O luna de #trilema, prin ochii lu’ gribble pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 498410;1392229523;asciilifeform;X and Y become your 'handle' 498411;1392229526;mircea_popescu;no wait i was wrong, it did 60k lines in a month. so about like this thing. 498412;1392229573;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform experimentally, you don't need that much code because not that many people will be paying anyway. 498413;1392229591;asciilifeform;this would require very little code. 498414;1392229617;asciilifeform;authentication is 'automatic', in the sense that only an addr's owner can send from it. 498415;1392229631;mircea_popescu;even so. you can just make it "donate 0.10000586" btc to #freenode's btc addy 498416;1392229632;asciilifeform;'the best machine is no machine' (herr altschuller) 498417;1392229632;mircea_popescu;and that's all 498418;1392229654;asciilifeform;you can easily dispense with 'Y' if you're ok with an 'expensive' channel. 498419;1392229674;deadweasel;freenode doesn't take donations anymore, iirc 498420;1392229676;asciilifeform;then you get 'mailcoin' (or call it what you like) 498421;1392229701;ThickAsThieves;Klout, controversial service that measured online 'influence,' reportedly being acquired for $100 million 498422;1392229711;ThickAsThieves;at least it wasnt a billion... 498423;1392229718;deadweasel;http://blog.freenode.net/2013/03/bye-bye-pdpc/ 498424;1392229719;ozbot;Bye bye PDPC | staffblog 498425;1392229738;deadweasel;in fact, mp, why not start your own IRCnet? Then you could throttle everything at will. 498426;1392229742;deadweasel;:P 498427;1392229786;pankkake;irc networks are like standards 498428;1392229818;asciilifeform;in the proposed experiment, you get a whole bunch of problems solved 'for free', without moving parts 498429;1392229825;asciilifeform;the people who like decentralization get that 498430;1392229849;asciilifeform;spam and beggars vanish 498431;1392229856;asciilifeform;authentication is automagical, etc. 498432;1392229910;asciilifeform;and it would all fit in a page or so of your favourite prog. language. 498433;1392229911;mircea_popescu;deadweasel which explains why we're not doing i tyet :D 498434;1392229925;mircea_popescu;it's a good reserve power anyway, if we ever need to make our own irc network. 498435;1392229945;mircea_popescu;afaik they haven't yet decided whether they wish to have a future as the irc network where bitcoin happens or would rather not have any future at all. 498436;1392229957;mircea_popescu;the 2nd seems probable in some estimations, and so we wait. 498437;1392229959;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12221002 BTC [-] 498438;1392230001;mircea_popescu;(i personally don't think so, fwiw) 498439;1392230127;deadweasel;yea, those decisions tend to make themselves, in time. 498440;1392230147;asciilifeform;invent parachute before, not after, being thrown. 498441;1392230177;mircea_popescu;jurov: automatically << fie upon that word. think of it, gpg keypairs are not generated "automatically" 498442;1392230180;mircea_popescu;they take time 498443;1392230184;mircea_popescu;how sucky tech gpg has huh. 498444;1392230202;asciilifeform;99% of the delay is /dev/random. 498445;1392230203;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+] 498446;1392230213;mircea_popescu;!b the deadweasel-asciilifeform theorem. 498447;1392230264;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12211 BTC [-] 498448;1392230265;mircea_popescu;hey assbot is pming me dirty messages 498449;1392230316;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly. 498450;1392230325;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221002 BTC [-] 498451;1392230595;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/altcoin/comments/1xmckc/the_real_altcoin/cfcygfr 498452;1392230596;ozbot;crisader comments on The REAL Altcoin 498453;1392230601;mircea_popescu;ehehe. reddit doesn't get things. 498454;1392230604;mircea_popescu;WHY IS IT SO!!!! 498455;1392230625;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's actually a decent brand 498456;1392230630;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 36 @ 0.19376446 = 6.9755 BTC [+] 498457;1392230655;asciilifeform;hence why i bought them. yet old brain detritus dies hard. 498458;1392230677;asciilifeform;(more things ought to have scuttling valves!) 498459;1392230710;mircea_popescu;i could see sexually frustrated feminists proposing penis scuttle valves 498460;1392230770;asciilifeform;one twist, poor thing goes to the bottom of the sea? 498461;1392230779;mircea_popescu;just depressurizes 498462;1392230824;mircea_popescu;course the serious rapists would just start carrying strap-ons, but what's a feminist to know of economy 498463;1392230829;mircea_popescu;she's a commie by default. 498464;1392230832;asciilifeform;(cards, as you can probably guess, are for the mainboard breadboard...) 498465;1392230874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10240 @ 0.00086939 = 8.9026 BTC [+] 498466;1392230935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10339 @ 0.00086994 = 8.9943 BTC [+] {2} 498467;1392231118;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.123 = 0.369 BTC [+] {2} 498468;1392231119;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.072 = 0.144 BTC [-] 498469;1392231120;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 498470;1392231194;mircea_popescu;diametric you about ? 498471;1392231497;asciilifeform;a kingston, for the navally-noobish: 498472;1392231498;asciilifeform;http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flooding_Valve_Manifold.jpg 498473;1392231546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00087026 = 13.6631 BTC [+] {2} 498474;1392231590;ThickAsThieves;http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20131211235041-356899-paypal-looks-ahead-six-predictions-for-2014 498475;1392231593;ozbot;Big Idea 2014: Predictions from PayPal | LinkedIn 498476;1392231602;ThickAsThieves;4. Bitcoin will continue to gain ground (but not as a currency) 498477;1392231606;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.0055 = 0.825 BTC 498478;1392231618;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun 498479;1392231621;asciilifeform;not as a currency << as a coffee warmer? 498480;1392231657;mircea_popescu;it never was a "currency" to begin with. 498481;1392231669;mircea_popescu;some currencies out there are a bitcoin, if a very primitive sort and for short intervals. 498482;1392231674;Duffer1;4. we're crapping our pants over here, please don't do to us what netflix did to blockbuster 498483;1392231723;ThickAsThieves;full text for the item is "Bitcoin will continue to attract more people as a store of value and a speculative investment asset. I predict that the value of Bitcoin still has the potential to double by the same time next year. But I believe it will have a hard time becoming mainstream as a currency, due to its expected continued volatility amidst regulation authorities and governments 498484;1392231724;ThickAsThieves;figuring out what to make of the cryptocurrency." 498485;1392231813;mircea_popescu;give the man a cookie. who is this ? 498486;1392231829;asciilifeform;paypal fuhrer? 498487;1392231835;Duffer1;president of paypal 498488;1392231847;Duffer1;david marcus 498489;1392231850;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.0818 = 0.3272 BTC [+] 498490;1392231989;mircea_popescu;so gavin is seriously saying "follow us @BTCFoundation " ? 498491;1392231993;mircea_popescu;is the man stupid or something ? 498492;1392232019;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 seems smart enough. i don't recall the last time a large fiat corp had a smart ceo. 498493;1392232057;Duffer1;is he smart enough to be worried is the question 498494;1392232063;asciilifeform;s/Bitcoin/usd/;s/double/half/ 498495;1392232103;asciilifeform;s/becoming/remaining/ 498496;1392232106;mircea_popescu;if anyone has a reference client they're not running atm, or space to run one : please do so. 498497;1392232127;mircea_popescu;all these idiots with their web bs are caught in a cloud of pseudotx relying 498498;1392232139;mircea_popescu;reference clients can cut it down quite easily, but apparently there's not actually that many 498499;1392232165;asciilifeform;classic bitcoind? 498500;1392232177;asciilifeform;how many, i wonder, are running 498501;1392232228;mircea_popescu;yes. 498502;1392232236;mircea_popescu;and from what i see ~1k 498503;1392232240;asciilifeform;woah 498504;1392232243;mircea_popescu;yes. 498505;1392232247;asciilifeform;3 are mine 498506;1392232256;asciilifeform;thought these were a dime-a-dozen 498507;1392232259;asciilifeform;for some reason 498508;1392232266;mircea_popescu;well, 10 dimes in a dolla. 498509;1392232283;mircea_popescu;but no, originally there were ~60k as a high point cca 2011 498510;1392232285;asciilifeform;brotha can ye spare a dime/node 498511;1392232290;mircea_popescu;it's been going down steadily ever since. 498512;1392232299;mircea_popescu;which is quite a problem, really. 498513;1392232305;asciilifeform;proliferation of castrato 'wallets,' yeah. 498514;1392232331;mircea_popescu;myea. 498515;1392232336;mircea_popescu;beause people want stuff tio be "easier". 498516;1392232345;mircea_popescu;what, they're part of bitcoin now ? cool! so where's bitcoin supermarket ? 498517;1392232347;asciilifeform;used to be that mr. luser had to bite the bullet and delete a pron or two, download the blocks. 498518;1392232349;mircea_popescu;where's bitcoin credit card ? 498519;1392232355;mircea_popescu;where's bitcoin government ? 498520;1392232367;mircea_popescu;(togive them bitcoins on their bitcoin card to buy stuff in the bitcoin supermarket) 498521;1392232383;asciilifeform;using btpension from btgov ? 498522;1392232420;asciilifeform;good gift for these folks: a rubber hose. with mouthpiece and arsepiece on the respective ends. 498523;1392232436;asciilifeform;'New!1! Eat For Free!' 498524;1392232449;mircea_popescu;it's not easy to insert. 498525;1392232456;CiPi;http://www.eweek.com/security/massive-ddos-attack-leveraged-network-timing-protocol-cloudflare.html 498526;1392232457;ozbot;Massive DDoS Attack Leveraged Network Timing Protocol: CloudFlare 498527;1392232559;mircea_popescu;still with this ? 498528;1392232571;mircea_popescu;cloudflare has been rehashing this story about every 3 months. 498529;1392232590;mircea_popescu;a) no cloudflare "customer" was ever protected by cloudflare of a "400 gpbs" attac 498530;1392232615;mircea_popescu;b) overall, the sum total of network time the cloudflare "customers" lost owing to cloudflare being a pos exceeds by degree of magnitude any mitigated "attacks" 498531;1392232621;asciilifeform;speaking of turdcraft, for anyone who missed it: 498532;1392232621;asciilifeform;http://www.kaspersky.com/about/news/virus/2014/Kaspersky-Lab-Uncovers-The-Mask-One-of-the-Most-Advanced-Global-Cyber-espionage-Operations-to-Date-Due-to-the-Complexity-of-the-Toolset-Used-by-the-Attackers 498533;1392232630;mircea_popescu;this is not even going into the CA spoofing bs they do. 498534;1392233009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00086862 = 4.3431 BTC [-] 498535;1392233131;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.0818 = 0.6544 BTC [+] 498536;1392233253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00087036 = 4.9611 BTC [+] 498537;1392233313;mircea_popescu;the massive derpage going on retardtalk, retarddit etc etc re spam txn really shows just how the population has changed. 498538;1392233328;mircea_popescu;i think bitcoin average has lost 20 points of iq over the past 2 years. 498539;1392233369;mircea_popescu;we've gone from "people could generally write a c compiler" to "people could not generally write hello world" 498540;1392233375;ThickAsThieves;sad considering this is the post-silk road wave 498541;1392233391;mircea_popescu;apparently drug use and intelligence don't correlate. 498542;1392233436;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7627 @ 0.00087036 = 6.6382 BTC [+] 498543;1392233500;jurov;people could generally write a c compiler? that was average 2yrs ago? 498544;1392233515;jurov;on trolltalk? 498545;1392233529;mircea_popescu;well ok ok im forcing a point. 498546;1392233537;jurov;:D 498547;1392233541;ThickAsThieves;we're just decentralizing the IQ points 498548;1392233551;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves now everyone can has one. 498549;1392233863;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [-] 498550;1392233864;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.123 = 0.369 BTC [+] 498551;1392233865;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 498552;1392233924;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [-] 498553;1392233925;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.123 = 0.369 BTC [+] 498554;1392233926;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 498555;1392233985;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [-] 498556;1392233986;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210001 = 0.3663 BTC [-] 498557;1392233987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 498558;1392234107;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0725 = 0.2175 BTC [-] 498559;1392234108;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210001 = 0.3663 BTC [-] 498560;1392234109;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 498561;1392234229;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0725 = 0.145 BTC [-] 498562;1392234230;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210001 = 0.2442 BTC [-] 498563;1392234267;asciilifeform;anybody here care to recommend a 3840x2160 display? 498564;1392234279;asciilifeform;(or greater) 498565;1392234291;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221 BTC [-] 498566;1392234292;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] {2} 498567;1392234393;mircea_popescu;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2653 498568;1392234512;asciilifeform;budget psyop. are they down to hiring nigerian spam translators now? 498569;1392234526;asciilifeform;or is someone actually this... orgasmically stupid? 498570;1392234534;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0725 = 0.2175 BTC [-] 498571;1392234535;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1221 = 0.3663 BTC [-] 498572;1392234536;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 498573;1392234554;mircea_popescu;seeing how it discusses law enforcement, one'd expect everyone involved to be organically this stupid. 498574;1392234596;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221 BTC [-] 498575;1392234597;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 498576;1392234598;mircea_popescu;after all the easier solution to not knowing something is to assume, not to find out. 498577;1392234604;asciilifeform;so presumably this was written from a jail. which one? where? 498578;1392234611;mircea_popescu;(course the even easier solution is to just not not know in the first place0 498579;1392234621;mircea_popescu;nah, they don't put people in jail anymore. 498580;1392234628;mircea_popescu;they just add those dog collars or w/e 498581;1392234639;mircea_popescu;what's the point of putting them in jail when they're already living in one anyway 498582;1392234702;asciilifeform;i'm still waiting for the actual appearance of the collars-with-detonators, familiar to all '90s cheap sf fans. 498583;1392234744;mircea_popescu;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Douglas_Wells like ? 498584;1392234772;asciilifeform;nah, those exist 498585;1392234773;asciilifeform;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103239/ 498586;1392234774;ozbot;Wedlock (1991) - IMDb 498587;1392234856;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha rutget hauer wat 498588;1392235040;mircea_popescu;anyway, those muppets really should have their own movie. just think : 498589;1392235054;mircea_popescu;highschool drop-out that's been working for 30 years as a pizza delivery boy 498590;1392235064;mircea_popescu;so lovable mentally retarded character 498591;1392235081;mircea_popescu;gets trapped in a plot between some ugly broad who thinks herself important and some really weird character 498592;1392235093;asciilifeform;yeah they did that one later. 498593;1392235113;mircea_popescu;to rob a bank via bomb device with artsy cane gun, so as to have enough funds to pay for the weird character's murder of the woman;s father 498594;1392235118;mircea_popescu;in order for her to inherit him 498595;1392235135;mircea_popescu;except the father is bankrupt and the bank is some shitty us venue with ~1500 dollars in cash on the premises. 498596;1392235147;mircea_popescu;it's epic, odysseus has nothing on this. 498597;1392235276;asciilifeform;on top of u.s. psot office btc, 498598;1392235277;asciilifeform;http://www.dailyfinance.com/on/post-office-plan-unbanked-payday-lending/?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000058 498599;1392235278;ozbot;Post Office Plan May Revolutionize the Financial Lives of the Unbanked - DailyFinance 498600;1392235297;asciilifeform;nationalized 'check cashing' shops. 498601;1392235359;mircea_popescu;it is a major racket, that 498602;1392235363;mircea_popescu;mostly because well... cash is king. 498603;1392235380;asciilifeform;they have 'payday loans' built in, too. 498604;1392235830;ThickAsThieves;http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/12/5405174/goatse-cx-pivots-again-to-become-a-dogecoin-supporter 498605;1392235850;ThickAsThieves;doge will take it where it can get it 498606;1392235856;ozbot;Goatse.cx pivots again to become a Dogecoin supporter | The Verge 498607;1392235857;pankkake;selling emails didn't work? eh. 498608;1392236024;dub;wow 498609;1392236043;pankkake;much gape 498610;1392236054;Duffer1;lol :( 498611;1392236083;pankkake;I remember they offered @goatse.cx emails but I thought it was too expensive for the novelty 498612;1392236102;jurov;only for srs bsns 498613;1392236608;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.19376446 = 3.6815 BTC [+] 498614;1392236609;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00086872 = 15.5501 BTC [-] {2} 498615;1392236902;davout;this is awsome 498616;1392236956;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/2kQcifM.gif 498617;1392237005;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves the funny thing of an advertising ponzi is that well... they keep burning the stuff. 498618;1392237009;davout;わいい 498619;1392237017;mircea_popescu;eventually they'll have to either fold or go for superbowl ads 498620;1392237025;davout;s/わいい/かわいい/ 498621;1392237205;deadweasel;I was raised in a check cashing company. 498622;1392237214;deadweasel;I was cashing checks behind 2 inch glass when I was 14. 498623;1392237218;deadweasel;good times. 498624;1392237241;deadweasel;better racket: Lease-buy-backs. 498625;1392237250;deadweasel;300% interest, but no! it's a lease fee! 498626;1392237263;deadweasel;and that's how I was able to afford college (which was mostly useless) 498627;1392237659;mircea_popescu;so you got scammed out of the money you scammed out of idiots, pretty much ? 498628;1392237677;jcpham;bam 498629;1392237724;jcpham;lol @ goatse @ dogecoin 498630;1392237757;jcpham;HUGE boost in legitimacy for doge 498631;1392237770;mircea_popescu;totally. 498632;1392237772;davout;if you read the comments there's the fiverr ad for the actor down there 498633;1392237791;davout;(in TAT's link) 498634;1392237824;mike_c;i love fiverr. great for gag gifts. 498635;1392237828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12288 @ 0.00087036 = 10.695 BTC [+] 498636;1392237974;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/1610447/ 498637;1392237975;ozbot;dpaste: #1610447 498638;1392237980;mircea_popescu;that may contribute to the daily lulz 498639;1392238011;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 498640;1392238022;mircea_popescu;right in there with the strippers know better than to accept free btc from strangers. 498641;1392238050;mircea_popescu;i wonder what would average joe do if someone made an ipad app counting all the money he's lost each day over being a total derp. 498642;1392238072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00087036 = 6.3536 BTC [+] 498643;1392238105;benkay;not install it? 498644;1392238117;mircea_popescu;i doubt he could do that. 498645;1392238131;mircea_popescu;otherwise the fact any apps are installed at all becomes inexplicable 498646;1392238135;mircea_popescu;at least this'd be useful. 498647;1392238167;benkay;no dopamine hit, no install. 498648;1392238211;mircea_popescu;oic. perhaps you got a point there. 498649;1392238219;benkay;hey that's two in as many days 498650;1392238267;mircea_popescu;obviously the pills are working :D 498651;1392238281;benkay;how are you drugging me from romania? 498652;1392238293;mircea_popescu;not me, babyface. 498653;1392238305;benkay;who put the pills in my cookie jar? 498654;1392238309;benkay;m.p.? 498655;1392238310;benkay;couldn't be. 498656;1392238312;benkay;then who? 498657;1392238313;mircea_popescu;who let teh dogs out 498658;1392238360;benkay;who let the doge out 498659;1392238425;mike_c;whoa, what do you want to advertise that would mean buying out tpb? that's probably 300 btc a month. 498660;1392238440;mircea_popescu;mike_c i'm just doing it to piss off the gfy community 498661;1392238446;mircea_popescu;exoclick is their baby 498662;1392238476;mike_c;hehe, i don't know what gfy is, but doing that just to piss someone off is great :) 498663;1392238487;mircea_popescu;;;google gfy 498664;1392238488;gribble;Urban Dictionary: gfy: ; The Go Fuck Yourself Home Page - Amish Rake Fight: ; Go Fug Yourself: Because Fugly Is The New Pretty: 498665;1392238489;mircea_popescu;;;google xbiz 498666;1392238490;gribble;XBIZ | Adult Industry News | Adult Webmaster Resources: ; XBIZ™ (XBIZ) on Twitter: ; XBIZ 360 - January 22-25, 2014: 498667;1392238549;punkman;exoclick specializes in matching shitty traffic to shitty ads 498668;1392238552;benkay;man i want to sell software to porn companies 498669;1392238559;benkay;pay me in trade baby 498670;1392238560;mircea_popescu;benkay they're destitute. 498671;1392238562;KRS-One;I want to scam nigerians. 498672;1392238570;benkay;so i gather :( 498673;1392238572;mircea_popescu;they used to be raking in the dough, cca 1993. 498674;1392238583;benkay;man 498675;1392238596;mircea_popescu;BACK THEN making a thumbnail autogallery could well be 50k in fees and free passes for everywhere 498676;1392238597;deadweasel;back when VHS purchases existed 498677;1392238598;benkay;the integral of the porn production curve is a SHITLOAD OF PORN 498678;1392238601;benkay;.bait 498679;1392238603;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me66jgXVjN1qk2vvro1_1280.jpg 498680;1392238608;KRS-One;.bait 498681;1392238609;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdhpfmq78T1rs43zlo1_500.jpg 498682;1392238619;benkay;mine's better. 498683;1392238628;KRS-One;benkay's is way better i want her 498684;1392238631;benkay;yeah too bad content delivery is totes a solved thing 498685;1392238658;KRS-One;you guys saw the new mt.gox bouncie balls right =D\ 498686;1392238684;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb8qqaXdU61ru15g3o1_1280.jpg 498687;1392238688;benkay;bitcoin payments to the world's largest fuck-your-copyright stash of porn is a cool thing to build 498688;1392238699;benkay;:( 498689;1392238707;KRS-One;eww mircea, really? 498690;1392238710;benkay;so sad 498691;1392238713;mircea_popescu;mwahaha 498692;1392238720;benkay;much no 498693;1392238724;benkay;wow 498694;1392238743;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4659 @ 0.00087064 = 4.0563 BTC [+] {2} 498695;1392238748;mircea_popescu;whoa holy shit, the gfy forum comes in 10th for gfy ?!?! 498696;1392238748;KRS-One;I need a bait now. 498697;1392238750;mircea_popescu;jesus they dropped. 498698;1392238762;mircea_popescu;anyway mike_c gfy.com/‎ 498699;1392238770;mircea_popescu;the retardstalk from before bitcoin. 498700;1392238774;mircea_popescu;the original. 498701;1392238898;mike_c;looks like they are on top of things 498702;1392238900;mike_c;http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1130089 498703;1392238901;ozbot;What is Bitcoin? - GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum 498704;1392238904;kakobrekla;lolz: 498705;1392238904;kakobrekla;http://us7.campaign-archive2.com/?u=cc31bdeb630dadc97f3352967&id=817f2a2d10&e=4c15c58428 498706;1392238906;ozbot;[ANNOUNCEMENT] Crypto Street For Sale 498707;1392238915;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla what's crypto street again ? 498708;1392238948;kakobrekla;an exchange, supposedly 498709;1392238979;Apocalyptic;https://www.crypto.st/ 498710;1392238981;mircea_popescu;mike_c they're mostly adults, and the backbone has been sifted through ~20 years into some semblance of sanity. 498711;1392238992;mircea_popescu;which is why their forum has lived to 18mn posts of retarded nonsense. 498712;1392239008;kakobrekla;the intro post from april 2013 498713;1392239009;kakobrekla;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186082.0 498714;1392239011;ozbot;[ANN] Crypto.St - The one exchange to rule them all 498715;1392239027;mircea_popescu;so i guess the yet-another-one exchange "to rule them all" has managed. 498716;1392239292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14626 @ 0.00087065 = 12.7341 BTC [+] 498717;1392239475;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210001 BTC [+] 498718;1392239709;kakobrekla;zomg 498719;1392239713;kakobrekla;from cognitive thread > I vote for Kakobrekla, He seems highly interested in this company and I bet he will tell us every thing that is wrong with it supper fast so we/he can fix it. 498720;1392239718;kakobrekla;wrong way dude. 498721;1392239772;Apocalyptic;heh, kako the ponzi fixer 498722;1392239823;mike_c;watch out kako, votes on the forum are binding. you're going to have a new job before you know it. 498723;1392239825;kakobrekla;imma gonna stop posting at this rate! 498724;1392239827;mircea_popescu;"here is some stupid shit we did back when you were telling us better and we were all smug and thought we knew better" 498725;1392239832;mircea_popescu;"we now vote for you to fix it" 498726;1392239849;mircea_popescu;these disgusting meatbags actually imagine the entire world is their dysfunctional fambly. 498727;1392239876;kakobrekla;buncha lolz 498728;1392239905;mircea_popescu;at least around these parts what you say to the unhousebroken kiddios is "they ain't the house of your stupid mother" 498729;1392239914;mircea_popescu;i gather it's not commonly said in the us. 498730;1392240192;diametric;mircea_popescu: i am now, whats up? 498731;1392240306;mircea_popescu;pmd. 498732;1392240573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00086862 = 2.9967 BTC [-] 498733;1392240583;diametric;;;ident diametric 498734;1392240583;gribble;Nick 'diametric', with hostmask 'diametric!~diametric@2604:3400:dc1:43:216:3eff:fe27:bf9d', is identified as user 'diametric', with GPG key id BDD47433133081CF, key fingerprint 0789CB4F508B384EB74CEFBFBDD47433133081CF, and bitcoin address None 498735;1392240630;deadweasel;no, I haven't heard that one, mp 498736;1392240672;deadweasel;clearly, the failure lies in kakobrekla not being re-banned in a timely m anner 498737;1392240756;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.0008709 = 16.3294 BTC [+] {4} 498738;1392240817;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00016543 = 1.6543 BTC [-] {19} 498739;1392240922;jurov;heh 498740;1392241061;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 46 @ 0.0055 = 0.253 BTC 498741;1392241366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00086862 = 11.4224 BTC [-] 498742;1392241408;deadweasel;I was just reading what Morell injected into HItler everyday, what a ride that must have been: 498743;1392241418;deadweasel;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Morell#Substances_given_to_Hitler 498744;1392241419;ozbot;Theodor Morell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 498745;1392242086;HeySteve;I believe Kennedy was on a lot too 498746;1392242091;pankkake; yeah I nkow, pankkake quoted this channel earlier. He is a dirty fucking French prick and he knows it. Just like his Nazi sympathising grandparents he is scum and will do anything for dirty cash. 498747;1392242098;pankkake; I've met a lot of French people and they are 100% decent and down to earth. But then you always get the odd little shit who would fuck his own mother for cash - that's pankkake. 498748;1392242102;pankkake;why so mean 498749;1392242145;deadweasel;ha, what'd you do, pankkake ? 498750;1392242167;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459281.0 probably pushed their butthurt too far 498751;1392242169;ozbot;ActiveMining/Labcoin: a comparison 498752;1392242220;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00087112 = 3.4845 BTC [+] 498753;1392242245;BingoBoingo;pankkake: He's just pissed you took away his scam income 498754;1392242252;pankkake;of course they are 498755;1392242277;pankkake;well they still can't trade anyway 498756;1392242283;pankkake; His grandmother was probably raped by a Nazi storm trooper. That's makes him Bastard Nazi offspring. Pure scum. 498757;1392242300;pankkake;at least he knows some French history 498758;1392242349;mircea_popescu;lol omfg how dare people say thos things about pankkake 498759;1392242355;mircea_popescu;they should only say them about me! 498760;1392242380;pankkake; I've offered to meet him at any railway station in France as I'm southern England. He's a pussy, he wont meet me. A sad little prick with a big internet presence. You know what that means - he's never fucked a girl. Probably followed a few home though then gone home and jerked himself off. 498761;1392242411;pankkake;I thought it was another guy who offered. or he just out-socked himself 498762;1392242430;jurov;nice, can't he be hired? or is he already? 498763;1392242460;pankkake;I only know of my mother-side family history during the war 498764;1392242472;pankkake;I guess when you don't know, it's probably bad :p 498765;1392242555;mircea_popescu;jurov send him to meet people all over france ? 498766;1392242604;jurov;not bad. maybe we can arrange for him to meet someone davout hates 498767;1392242606;mircea_popescu;i like the logic involved tho. retarded romanians were going on about similar nonsense all through the late 00s 498768;1392242608;pankkake;just offered to meet for 0.2 BTC 498769;1392242635;pankkake;what nonsense? 498770;1392242643;mircea_popescu;"omfg what do you mean some people are actually impoirtant and thus therefore you need to jump through hoops to meet them, unlike me" 498771;1392242674;mircea_popescu;latest on retarded blog : "president of aol is a pussy, i sent him messages to meet me at any train station of his choosing he said he doesn't use trains" 498772;1392242682;BingoBoingo;pankkake: He pays you or you pay him? 498773;1392242688;pankkake;I never refused, just said I wasn't going to do it for free 498774;1392242691;pankkake;he pays me 498775;1392242695;mircea_popescu;as if somehow the entire world is this proving ground for impudent cocklets and everyone is their peer. 498776;1392242714;BingoBoingo;pankkake: I see no way that you time in person isn't worth at least 25 BTC to him. 498777;1392242715;jurov;pankkake: tell him you're actually canadian 498778;1392242723;deadweasel;well, that's the majority of the worlds opinion, as most don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. 498779;1392242734;pankkake;tabernacle ! 498780;1392242770;punkman;you guys ever read one of those 419 scambaiting safaris? 498781;1392242774;deadweasel;BingoBoingo has a point, you just priced yourself like a whore. 498782;1392242824;deadweasel;this is where your 'truthing' gets you, on a train stomping some poor teenager for .2 btc. 498783;1392242830;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00044999 = 0.135 BTC [+] 498784;1392242832;mircea_popescu;deadweasel apparently. 498785;1392242840;mircea_popescu;punkman wrote some :) 498786;1392242842;davout;jurov: that sounds like fun 498787;1392242855;punkman;http://www.419eater.com/html/RoadToChadDarfur/ 498788;1392242856;ozbot;The Road to Chad/Darfur 498789;1392242875;mike_c;mpoe-pr fights the good fight for a healthy salary. i don't know why you bang your head against that wall. 498790;1392242891;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 768 @ 0.00083461 = 0.641 BTC [-] 498791;1392242926;davout;jurov: i'd need to find someone i hate though, i usually try to limit myself to ignoring 498792;1392243111;mircea_popescu;mike_c maybe he's honing his skillzors. 498793;1392243126;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459281.0 << this shit is so lulzy. 498794;1392243128;ozbot;ActiveMining/Labcoin: a comparison 498795;1392243309;deadweasel;did you just add that to your sig, pankkake ? XD 498796;1392243356;mircea_popescu;no srsly, it is epic shit. 498797;1392243362;mircea_popescu;pankkake you should have a blog baby. 498798;1392243407;pankkake;I have a blog 498799;1392243416;pankkake;a dead blog 498800;1392243430;mircea_popescu;just saying, this stuff is the substance of blogging. 498801;1392243457;pankkake;yeah I have a few topics like that 498802;1392243477;pankkake;I have bitcointalk in muscle memory, need to fix that 498803;1392243501;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 293 @ 0.00505 = 1.4797 BTC [+] 498804;1392243542;pankkake; Fuck off pankkake you prick. You really think I would waste my time fucking off to France to hang around a station only to see you don't show up? You fucking idiot 498805;1392243548;pankkake;:( 498806;1392243579;kakobrekla;i think thesevend is missing on the table 498807;1392243585;mike_c;where is this lovefest taking place? 498808;1392243586;kakobrekla;theseven aka [7] 498809;1392243593;deadweasel;is there a #burn-pankkake chan or what? 498810;1392243610;pankkake;#activemining 498811;1392243614;deadweasel;ah, thx! 498812;1392243620;pankkake;theseven wasn't a willing participant 498813;1392243629;kakobrekla;nigga what?! 498814;1392243634;pankkake;I mean, not PR-wise 498815;1392243636;mircea_popescu;more like a naive participant i guess 498816;1392243646;pankkake;he was contracted for stuff, and named 498817;1392243684;pankkake;:p 498818;1392243688;[7];any labcoin news? 498819;1392243696;pankkake;not that I know 498820;1392243700;[7];did they finally get hold of alberto or whoever was behind all of this? 498821;1392243737;mircea_popescu;[7] nah, pankkake just made a nice summary thread 498822;1392243752;pankkake;there's an italian lawsuit it seems 498823;1392243756;pankkake;so maybe! 498824;1392243785;kakobrekla;AA is in china or somesuch anyways 498825;1392243789;mircea_popescu;pankkake the part you don't know is that i could sue you in romanian court right now 498826;1392243795;mircea_popescu;it'd cost me nothing to do so 498827;1392243797;mircea_popescu;and nothing'd happen. 498828;1392243805;mircea_popescu;eu lawsuits are quite different from us 498829;1392243806;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1322 @ 0.00083461 = 1.1034 BTC [-] 498830;1392243829;pankkake;well the guy's probably in italy 498831;1392243834;kakobrekla;naw 498832;1392243892;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.msg5063595#msg5063595 << check out dr greg's withering retort! 498833;1392243894;ozbot;[Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus 498834;1392243897;mircea_popescu;i need to hire out vincent vega. 498835;1392243919;pankkake;what's so bad about dr greg anyway? 498836;1392243925;punkman;*bald 498837;1392243939;punkman;he could IPO that forehead 498838;1392243949;kakobrekla;can we have s.laughing so we have a laughing stock? 498839;1392243957;pankkake;lol 498840;1392243966;davout;LOL 498841;1392243969;pankkake;ok, tomorrow I will not go on bitcointalk 498842;1392243973;pankkake;and I'll be productive 498843;1392243983;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla ahaha epic 498844;1392243992;pankkake;I can sleep again too, so time capitalize on it 498845;1392243996;benkay;ahahahahahahaha dr greg loses it all on btc.sx 498846;1392244010;pankkake;btcse.cx 498847;1392244014;mircea_popescu;pankkake what is bad about dr greg is that it's generally worse to have a half-educated idiot than ap ure idiot. 498848;1392244018;mircea_popescu;he's that half-educated idiot. 498849;1392244048;pankkake;as in more dangerous? ok. but then forum pr could be better… 498850;1392244055;mircea_popescu;i'd rather teach a monkey to invest than a bitcointalk-er. 498851;1392244091;punkman;wouldn't a monkey, sans training, do better than the average bitcointalk-er? 498852;1392244111;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.02580898 = 0.5162 BTC [-] {4} 498853;1392244112;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07399 = 0.148 BTC [+] 498854;1392244145;benkay;pankkake: you gotta link greg to the bitcointalk post where MP and smickles expose the btc.sx scam 498855;1392244172;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.07498844 = 0.9748 BTC [+] {7} 498856;1392244173;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210002 BTC [+] 498857;1392244174;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 498858;1392244175;pankkake;that would have been better 498859;1392244183;mircea_popescu;punkman likely. 498860;1392244190;pankkake;I don't think dr greg listed the things he was going to use beforehand 498861;1392244206;mircea_popescu;pankkake it's okay, he just knows better than anyone anyway. 498862;1392244214;mircea_popescu;because see, reasons. and things. 498863;1392244217;benkay;no but now you can castigate him for ignoring the bitlord 498864;1392244231;pankkake;well I gave him BTC. not my most shameful investment though 498865;1392244244;mircea_popescu;was it for a foreheadectomy ? 498866;1392244250;pankkake;he promised low returns! 498867;1392244268;benkay;what were you thinking! 498868;1392244273;benkay;PIFF is the place for low returns! 498869;1392244287;pankkake;he left a nice comment about PIF too :) 498870;1392244293;benkay;you already own the low-returns market! 498871;1392244299;Jere_Jones;mircea_popescu would you really teach a willing student to invest? 498872;1392244302;benkay;oh he's nice 498873;1392244325;benkay;that's good. a sign of competence, being nice. 498874;1392244334;deadweasel;Jere_Jones: it's free, in the logs 498875;1392244507;pankkake;I wonder what part of fiat investing is to blame for the bad risk estimation in btc investments 498876;1392244538;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04799999 = 0.24 BTC [+] 498877;1392244541;kakobrekla;regulation 498878;1392244542;pankkake;i.e. stock market full of printed money, or those nice savings account 498879;1392244582;pankkake;but investing in startups is often a loss; the general public doesn't do it however 498880;1392244586;kakobrekla;at least for a fraction of the problem 498881;1392244599;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04799999 = 0.288 BTC [+] {2} 498882;1392244630;mike_c;general public is going to do it now that sec restrictions have been lifted. 498883;1392244642;kakobrekla;hehe 498884;1392244661;kakobrekla;pankkake general public can use kickstarter :) 498885;1392244670;kakobrekla;same result, they get shit. 498886;1392244676;pankkake;indeed 498887;1392244684;pankkake;at least for the time being, as it's new 498888;1392244708;davout;pankkake: i offered this minerpart guy to escrow, lets see if some lulz can be harvested 498889;1392244715;pankkake;cool 498890;1392244731;Mats_cd03;weak 498891;1392244735;mike_c;half of assets jumped into activemining to watch this :) 498892;1392244755;kakobrekla;anyway pankkake there is more scam than you think in fiat world 498893;1392244761;kakobrekla;its just you are not in #fiat-assets 498894;1392244767;kakobrekla;and are totally missing out. 498895;1392244768;pankkake;lol, no I know there are 498896;1392244774;pankkake;and very similar ones than in btc 498897;1392244780;pankkake;actually, I was scammed by my banker 498898;1392244784;pankkake;first investment ever 498899;1392244797;pankkake;NATIXIS 498900;1392244810;pankkake;I was a poor student too 498901;1392244820;pankkake;lost 90% of its value 498902;1392244866;Asa9;w00t! I'm op in #fiat-assets!! THANKS MP! 498903;1392244881;Asa9;er kakobrekla 498904;1392244885;Asa9;ty! 498905;1392244908;kakobrekla;you are very welcome 498906;1392244932;kakobrekla;was it like in southpark "and its gone?" 498907;1392244939;pankkake;pretty much :/ 498908;1392244947;Asa9;lol 498909;1392244955;pankkake;basically it was mass-sold by French banks, to noobs 498910;1392244965;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210001 = 0.2442 BTC [-] {2} 498911;1392244966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00087112 = 3.6587 BTC [+] 498912;1392244993;pankkake;they showed me the past performance of previous IPOs 498913;1392245033;kakobrekla;i sold all my remaining fiat stock when btc was 80$ i think. already at that time, that was only a tiny fraction of my net. 498914;1392245087;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [-] 498915;1392245088;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210001 = 0.2442 BTC [-] 498916;1392245091;kakobrekla;23:43.15 ( pankkake ) they showed me the past performance of previous IPOs < lulz 498917;1392245094;pankkake;I only ever bought one company because that was the only one I understood 498918;1392245116;pankkake;made a profit, though fees ate most of it (again, poor student) 498919;1392245144;pankkake;should have done the same with the bitcoin… 498920;1392245148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5763 @ 0.00087143 = 5.0221 BTC [+] {2} 498921;1392245152;kakobrekla;yea 498922;1392245360;Mats_cd03;.mpoe 498923;1392245486;davout;pankkake: so apparently this guy is ok to meet you at any train station to give you a beating for a fee 498924;1392245592;pankkake;beating up a guy in crowded areas, smart 498925;1392245598;davout;do people really imagine they can go to some foreign country and simply beat up some guy in a public place like a train station and not gete in trouble? 498926;1392245611;pankkake;maybe in gare du nord :p 498927;1392245880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00087155 = 11.5045 BTC [+] {2} 498928;1392245985;davout;pankkake: it's full of cops, they're usually the ones involved in beatings there :D 498929;1392246003;ThickAsThieves;[17:59] WTS 50k ActM shares 498930;1392246004;ThickAsThieves;[17:59] how much ThickAsThieves 498931;1392246004;ThickAsThieves;[17:59] I only take ATC 498932;1392246018;pankkake;but he's serious about the beating. I thought he wanted to meet 498933;1392246021;pankkake;lol 498934;1392246055;pankkake;haha "which one" 498935;1392246202;BingoBoingo;pankkake: Maybe you both leave your respective countries for this meeting. I might suggest the 5th and Washington Station in East St Louis. 498936;1392246248;pankkake;is there a reference I'm missing? 498937;1392246287;BingoBoingo;pankkake: No, I'm just thinking of the most interesting train stations I know. 498938;1392246308;pankkake;oh, I know none 498939;1392246440;BingoBoingo;pankkake: This could be one of the few white dude fights on World Star HipHop 498940;1392246477;pankkake;well I'm not fighting 498941;1392246498;pankkake;so far always avoided it 498942;1392246515;Mats_cd03;scrub 498943;1392246523;mike_c;i'm sure you could hire a stand-in for cheap 498944;1392246534;pankkake;hm kinda wrong, once a guy punched me and I wasn't expecting it 498945;1392246560;pankkake;what would be the point? 498946;1392246601;Mats_cd03;Beating him up and getting away with it 498947;1392246622;Mats_cd03;Also a good work out 498948;1392246662;davout;pankkake: the way i see it, for maximum lulz he should show up after a 5 hour trip, having had all the time to come to the conclusion that beating someone up in a public place, in a foreign country isn't such a good idea after all 498949;1392246681;pankkake;certainly not on the list of the guys I'd like to beat up 498950;1392246695;pankkake;the actual scam runners why not 498951;1392246707;BingoBoingo;Well, at the station I suggested it might be more problematic for him if you don't fight back. Nearly every white person outside of the train there is usually a plain clothes police officer. He finds himself in a foreign jail ??? Profit? 498952;1392246727;pankkake;human psychology's weird. you often don't end up doing what you thought you would do 498953;1392246750;Shakespeare;cuz we have too many brains 498954;1392246751;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones what do you figure i (we) are doing herei n the first place ? 498955;1392246783;mircea_popescu;<pankkake> I wonder what part of fiat investing is to blame for the bad risk estimation in btc investments << mothers are to blame. 498956;1392246794;pankkake;why? 498957;1392246804;BingoBoingo;Looks like there aren't too many Altcoins on https://openex.pw/index.php?page=trade&market=111 standing between ATC and the moon. 498958;1392246817;pankkake;such spread 498959;1392246826;KRS-One;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9cS7LaEAYY 498960;1392246827;ozbot;tears For Fears Original 1980's video in HQ Mothers Talk - YouTube 498961;1392246831;mircea_popescu;<pankkake> actually, I was scammed by my banker << you know the luis de funes movie re scammed by banker ? 498962;1392246851;pankkake;I don't think I know that one 498963;1392246856;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [+] 498964;1392246884;Shakespeare; mothers are to blame. --- O! I said this to #ActM only minutes ago "Bastard begot, bastard instructed, bastard in mind ... in everything illegitimate." 498965;1392246890;mircea_popescu;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057051/ 498966;1392246891;ozbot;Faites sauter la banque (1964) - IMDb 498967;1392246927;pankkake;haha, looks awesome 498968;1392246930;mircea_popescu; do people really imagine they can go to some foreign country and simply beat up some guy in a public place like a train station and not gete in trouble? <<< yes. 498969;1392246940;mircea_popescu;they also imagine they can just start "a security" and it'll all just fall into place 498970;1392246946;mircea_popescu;they just need to sort out the website for it 498971;1392247004;KRS-One;<+eoar> Bitcoin in 20 years will be like a cassette tape now. Clunky and outdated and surpassed by a much superior crypto <<<< interesting analogy 498972;1392247008;mircea_popescu;lol Shakespeare 498973;1392247037;davout;mircea_popescu: i understand that they imagine it, i sense there's an opportunity to arbitrage between reality and their imagination 498974;1392247044;mircea_popescu;indeed. 498975;1392247054;mircea_popescu;back when i was much younger i must confess 498976;1392247070;mircea_popescu;we used to do this thing whereby we'd dress up nice and clean, go to some disco in the sticks, a village somewhere 498977;1392247075;Shakespeare;Did you know I share the same birthday as Tony Danza and Shirley Temple? 498978;1392247077;mircea_popescu;mocked all the doods and felt up all the chiks 498979;1392247093;mircea_popescu;the net result being that the doods' all gather up to beat these atrociously obnoxious town bois 498980;1392247102;Jere_Jones;mircea_popescu While a useful tidbit is occasionally passed along, I mostly see a lot of self-righteous "I told you so" comments about any business (I'm using the term loosely) that is less than an absolute success. 498981;1392247104;mircea_popescu;except we had a trunk full of heavy equipment 498982;1392247110;mircea_popescu;beat the shit out of the entire village youth 498983;1392247115;mircea_popescu;counted for a weekend trip 498984;1392247118;pankkake;Shakespeare: they don't have the same birthday. SCAM 498985;1392247136;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones i guess that's one way to look at it. 498986;1392247144;assbot;Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1611022/plain/) 498987;1392247144;benkay;!b 9 498988;1392247145;Jere_Jones;The possibility exists that I am simply too inexperienced to know wisdom when it slaps me in the face like a trout. 498989;1392247161;mircea_popescu;part of the problem here would be that none of those things you use the term loosely for are anywhere in range for meaningful commentary. 498990;1392247164;Shakespeare;someone lied to me! 498991;1392247212;pankkake;or wikipedia lies 498992;1392247250;Shakespeare;Pretend I said Roy Orbison 498993;1392247270;pankkake;I liked the mistery though 498994;1392247280;mircea_popescu; why? << mothers are to blame because in their quest to protect their offspring they manage to fuck up the offspring's risk evaluator. 498995;1392247281;Jere_Jones;I see a lot of "That's dumb", "They are unqualified", "They shouldn't do that". With the exception of your "So you're thinking of starting a bitcoin business" post on bitcoin-talk (which I have read multiple times), there is almost no "Thou shalt do". 498996;1392247318;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones it's mpoe-prs, and the problem with "Thou shalt do" is that a) there's a lot less of that available than you'd want, and b) people are well impervious to listening anyway. 498997;1392247340;Shakespeare;this site has nice CSS http://www.famousbirthdays.com/ 498998;1392247344;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 498999;1392247345;mircea_popescu;for instance, the link to http://trilema.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/ has been pasted by me here 3 times, and by others more times. 499000;1392247356;Jere_Jones;*I* am not impervious to listening. At least, I try not to be. 499001;1392247363;mircea_popescu;in it, you will find : "Much like nobody knows how to make movies was generally true in Hollywood, nobody knows how to make Bitcoin businesses is generally true in Bitcoin. Nevertheless, this does not logically follow into so then everyone has the same chances, noobs and veterans alike. Such a proposition could not be further from the truth, because the veterans have the sizable advantage that they kn 499002;1392247363;mircea_popescu;ow all the ways movies cant be made. Thats what theyve been doing with their years and the investors money up to that point : not coming one iota closer to knowing how movies can be made, but establishing vast inroads into the obviously endless topic of how they cant in fact be made. Noobs bereft of this very valuable (in that its very expensive) knowledge aint got a prayer." 499003;1392247371;mircea_popescu;now, had you read that before or is it your first time ? 499004;1392247420;Jere_Jones;It has enough familiarness to it that I think I've read it before, but not enough that it sank in to any depth. 499005;1392247445;mircea_popescu;ok but see ? that's the problem. 499006;1392247451;mircea_popescu;this is given culture, it's a shared foundation. 499007;1392247495;mircea_popescu;when i say to moiety "you're wasting your time doing something we know is stupid. waste your time doing something we don't know is stupid yet." this is what i'm referencing. 499008;1392247515;Shakespeare;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLDYtH1RH-U 499009;1392247517;mircea_popescu;in short : the "positive" tidbits are extremely easy to miss, because they depend on other positive tidbits 499010;1392247519;ozbot;Shanghai Tower (650 meters) - YouTube 499011;1392247588;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4440 @ 0.00087171 = 3.8704 BTC [+] 499012;1392247589;Jere_Jones;I think I might be starting to understand a little of what you're saying. I shall return to my lurking, listening and learning. 499013;1392247602;mircea_popescu;asking questions hurts nothing. 499014;1392247606;Shakespeare;these guys are nits 499015;1392247608;Shakespeare;nuts 499016;1392247649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7320 @ 0.00087172 = 6.381 BTC [+] {2} 499017;1392247684;Jere_Jones;Question: Exactly which WOT is the "So you want to start a business" post talking about? I know of the #bitcoin-otc wot and the mywot.com site. 499018;1392247731;mircea_popescu;the former. 499019;1392247732;davout;Jere_Jones: bitcoin-otc 499020;1392247742;benkay;the former 499021;1392247746;benkay;http://bitcoin-otc.com/trust.php 499022;1392247764;Jere_Jones;Got it. 499023;1392247773;mircea_popescu;Shakespeare no, you had it right the 1st time. nits. 499024;1392247776;mircea_popescu;half a nitwit. 499025;1392247853;jurov; beat the shit out of the entire village youth << oh my what am i doing around such people again? 499026;1392247855;Jere_Jones;Damn. Too bad I lost my key. 499027;1392247880;benkay;'tain't too late to spin up a new one. 499028;1392247883;mircea_popescu;jurov what, i'm a lovable huggable simpleminded psychopath. 499029;1392247889;Jere_Jones;http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=Jere_Jones 499030;1392247901;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones well so there you go : DON'T LOSE YOUR KEY OMFG BBQ 499031;1392247909;Jere_Jones;^ From my first bitcoin purchase 499032;1392247921;ozbot;#bitcoin-otc gpg key data 499033;1392247952;mircea_popescu;jurov i don't suppose you're liable to go around deciding to beat people because "they're on your turf" and obviously they seem like townfolk so perhaps they're not quite as hard as all that. 499034;1392247969;mircea_popescu;just so happens that stuff seeming soft can in fact be as hard as coffin nails, somewhere in there. 499035;1392247972;mircea_popescu;like say bitcoin. 499036;1392248042;jurov;hm can't comprehend that "i don't suppose" ? 499037;1392248076;jurov;should get my nightly glass of wine 499038;1392248134;mircea_popescu;ya re-0read the whole thing lol 499039;1392248254;deadweasel;holy shit TAT push atc in minerpart__ chan 499040;1392248256;jurov;still eludes me what turf and what with hardness of townfolk 499041;1392248257;deadweasel;pushing* 499042;1392248260;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+] 499043;1392248328;mircea_popescu;you ever been to a rural disco ? 499044;1392248355;jurov;ah now it clicked 499045;1392248375;mircea_popescu;:) 499046;1392248384;jurov;one has just imagine being in their skin 499047;1392248445;davout;tricking people in thinking you'll be easy prey to beat them up afterwards is still evil mircea_popescu 499048;1392248457;davout;but evil can be fun heh 499049;1392248471;jurov;why evil? they deserve it 499050;1392248527;mircea_popescu;davout no argument. 499051;1392248533;BingoBoingo;http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/02/12/2157234/utopia-silk-roads-latest-replacement-only-lasted-nine-days 499052;1392248534;ozbot;Utopia, Silk Road's Latest Replacement, Only Lasted Nine Days - Slashdot 499053;1392248543;mircea_popescu;im an evil motherfucker. 499054;1392248555;davout;if the original point is to go there with the goal to end up kcking their ass by tricking them into thinking you're evil so they will be the ones picking the fight is manipulation 499055;1392248564;jurov;BingoBoingo: it wasn't sufficiently decentralized 499056;1392248579;davout;but like i said that can be fun 499057;1392248587;benkay;grownup trolling. 499058;1392248591;davout;s/evil/weak/ 499059;1392248594;BingoBoingo;jurov: Of course. What boggles me is they had a full 900 BTC allegedly. 499060;1392248596;davout;benkay: exactly 499061;1392248611;davout;benkay: i'd say IRL trolling actually 499062;1392248642;BingoBoingo;Related to the Utopia bust http://valleywag.gawker.com/the-biggest-bullshit-job-titles-in-tech-1521536472/@sarah-hedgecock 499063;1392248644;benkay;something like that 499064;1392248657;BingoBoingo;Moare hedge c0k 499065;1392248674;benkay;man the worst part of working at a cafe with a great view on a busy corner is all the tail walking by i'm separated from talking to by a pane of glass 499066;1392248802;mircea_popescu;benkay you should just go to an orgy already. 499067;1392248808;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4300 @ 0.00015044 = 0.6469 BTC [-] {8} 499068;1392248810;mircea_popescu;eventually you notice you can only fuck so much and stop caring 499069;1392248825;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1611105/plain/) 499070;1392248825;BingoBoingo;!b 1 499071;1392249004;benkay;yeah also nowhere near well enough capitalized to dress 'em all nicely either 499072;1392249093;benkay;but also it's the chase mircea_popescu the chase and the conquest 499073;1392249097;benkay;surely you know the routine 499074;1392249106;benkay;chase? hunt. 499075;1392249162;asciilifeform;the solution to the 'idiot X pays Q btc for fistfight' is: pay idiot Y, R btc, to present himself for fistfight to idiot X, where R < Q. 499076;1392249186;asciilifeform;pocket the difference, and watch. 499077;1392249195;BingoBoingo;^^ 499078;1392249230;jurov;that's basically what i suggested to davout 499079;1392249231;asciilifeform;this is not deep science. 499080;1392249240;jurov;but seems he's too cultured to arrange that 499081;1392249245;BingoBoingo;There's plenty of failed athletes desperate enough for the cash to allow pocketing quite the spread 499082;1392249293;asciilifeform;fistcoin. 499083;1392249338;davout;asciilifeform: that sounds like a very good way to harvest both lulz and profits 499084;1392249351;davout;jurov: did you, sorry i must've missed it 499085;1392249357;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07318 = 0.3659 BTC [-] {3} 499086;1392249453;pankkake;I have glasses, huge disadvantage in a fistfight 499087;1392249456;pankkake;I wouln't bet on me 499088;1392249488;mircea_popescu;benkay i dunno dood, i never chase. 499089;1392249526;BingoBoingo;pankkake: Hire an alternate to identify as pankkake. Look for College footballers and handeggers who missed the cutoff to go pro. 499090;1392249579;jurov;they don't american football in fr 499091;1392249591;davout;we rugby baby 499092;1392249592;pankkake;we call them rugbymen 499093;1392249602;jurov;i stand corrected 499094;1392249603;BingoBoingo;jurov: As a courtesy I refer to American football as handegg 499095;1392249606;davout;helmets are for faggots 499096;1392249609;pankkake;it's not the same 499097;1392249610;pankkake;exactly 499098;1392249612;pankkake;no protection 499099;1392249622;davout;on concrete 499100;1392249625;pankkake;:D 499101;1392249628;davout;only in winter 499102;1392249629;BingoBoingo;By football I mean the game with the kicking and skinny latinos 499103;1392249647;jurov;and theatrical injuries 499104;1392249656;jurov;and false rape claims 499105;1392249706;jurov;er, no... pilots do that when hit by lasers, not footballers 499106;1392249711;davout;funnily enough i calculated recently that when I solo-mined back in 2010 I was unknowingly making more money than most pro soccer stars 499107;1392249728;davout;jurov: pilolz 499108;1392249741;mircea_popescu;jurov wait someone raped a soccer dood ? 499109;1392249765;jurov;certainly. but nobody is allowed to know 499110;1392249777;davout;mircea_popescu: yes the french govt by imposing this 75% income tax on high salaries 499111;1392249792;pankkake;is that why monaco is doing so well this year? 499112;1392249800;pankkake;I haven't followed the details 499113;1392249807;davout;pankkake: i don't really follow soccer 499114;1392249818;mircea_popescu;davout that's not rape, that's citizensheep 499115;1392249841;davout;mircea_popescu: explain the difference 499116;1392249844;pankkake;yup Monaco does not pay the 75% tax: http://www.lefigaro.fr/sport-business/2013/12/13/20006-20131213ARTFIG00394-l-as-monaco-n-echappera-pas-a-la-taxe-a-75.php 499117;1392249844;pankkake;uh 499118;1392249844;pankkake;wrong 499119;1392249855;pankkake;well, it does, the URL is wrong 499120;1392249865;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=461080.0 499121;1392249866;davout;no the URL says "n'échappera pas" 499122;1392249867;ozbot;[Cryptostocks]CFBTC - Crypto Fund BTCless seems CS/the issuer did a misstake 499123;1392249872;mircea_popescu;"It seems like neither Cryptostocks or the issuer behind this have the time to read throu the contracts before they publish it these days, " 499124;1392249877;pankkake;but the title say it escapes :) 499125;1392249879;davout;pankkake: oh wait 499126;1392249888;pankkake;confusing! 499127;1392249897;davout;pankkake: you're right 499128;1392249917;mircea_popescu;that's a new angle : if you read the stuff crypto-whatever wannabe exchange publishes, you're roughly in the same set with idiots and grannies that still read the spam emails they get, tune in for cnbc newscasts etc 499129;1392249934;pankkake;so monaco has no 75% tax. Monaco is now 2nd in the Ligue 1 http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/ligue-1-classement.html 499130;1392249936;davout;funny you mention that, 499131;1392249962;davout;i happen to have a nigerian uncle that's in urgent need of 5 BTC to unlock the last presidents inheritance 499132;1392250034;davout;I've always wanted to try to reverse-scam these guys, sadly gmail has a good spam filter 499133;1392250069;BingoBoingo;davout: It isn't gmail. I'm finding there are generally just less spam emails in general these days 499134;1392250092;deadweasel;i've marked every havelock email ever as spam, yet it still shows up. 499135;1392250094;mircea_popescu;impudent cocklets moved on to greener pastures. 499136;1392250105;davout;"oh sure, I'll send you these $3000 to pay attorney fees to unlock the prince's inheritance, if you could just western union me a couple hundred bucks so i can fix my bike to get to the bank" 499137;1392250115;pankkake;light greylisting removed most of my spam 499138;1392250127;pankkake;so only crappy botnets still spam :p 499139;1392250136;davout;BingoBoingo: yeah, I think so too 499140;1392250182;BingoBoingo;davout: I imagine the answer is not less botnets and spammers, but more lite/doge miners and captcha solving occupying their time now. 499141;1392250220;davout;that sounds like a sensible explanation 499142;1392250252;mircea_popescu;" Le ministre dlgu au Budget" 499143;1392250258;mircea_popescu;check out the shit france has. 499144;1392250261;BingoBoingo;I mean spam doesn't even pretend to offer a return ever. Solving captchas though offers some satoshis every nao and then. 499145;1392250272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00087193 = 15.6075 BTC [+] {3} 499146;1392250315;jurov;BingoBoingo: that's very interesting view of *coin faucets 499147;1392250353;jurov;that they are useful to drain unqualified cheap workforce pool 499148;1392250394;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 218753 @ 0.00013144 = 28.7529 BTC [-] {21} 499149;1392250402;davout;mircea_popescu: no no, that's actually ok, we have a "Ministre du redressement productif" can you fucking believe it ? 499150;1392250421;davout;incidentally it's the same guy that believes the EUR is too strong 499151;1392250424;BingoBoingo;jurov: Well I mean there is substantial overlap in that most spammers are kids and most faucet users are kids. Sure there are spammers occasionally who make something through spam, but generally they are people who can find new networks (MySpace, Facebook, Linkedin) to spam before their game gets stale and the money goes missing 499152;1392250442;pankkake;Ministère de la Réforme de l'État, de la Décentralisation et de la Fonction Publique 499153;1392250447;pankkake;decentralisation ! 499154;1392250448;mircea_popescu;davout do you have une ministresse du denuement productif aussi ? 499155;1392250455;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30565 @ 0.00010595 = 3.2384 BTC [-] {20} 499156;1392250461;davout;mircea_popescu: i think you meant dénudement 499157;1392250476;jurov;Fleur Pellerin, 499158;1392250477;jurov;ministre déléguée auprès du ministre du redressement productif, 499159;1392250478;mircea_popescu;fuck that, nue but denudement 499160;1392250478;davout;denuement means poverty 499161;1392250481;mircea_popescu;wtf is with this language. 499162;1392250509;mircea_popescu;;;google fille nue 499163;1392250510;gribble;Gta5 fille nue - YouTube: ; Fille Nue - YouTube: ; Fille nue qui se fait surprendre par son père devant sa webcam ...: 499164;1392250520;mircea_popescu;yeah them bitches look poor 499165;1392250760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00087061 = 32.1255 BTC [-] {2} 499166;1392250882;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210001 = 0.3663 BTC [-] 499167;1392250895;TestingUnoDosTre;can bitcoin drop like a rock so I can drop some fiat? 499168;1392250943;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 120000 @ 0.00004717 = 5.6604 BTC [-] {58} 499169;1392251038;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2014/02/kiriakou-14-0202.pdf 499170;1392251293;benkay;death to the tyrant 499171;1392251313;benkay;cascadia now 499172;1392251351;pankkake;does the cascadian movement produce anything besides weird music? 499173;1392251381;benkay;there is no movement. 499174;1392251402;benkay;except maybe the one i left in the toilet this morning - now that was impressive. 499175;1392251408;mircea_popescu;lots of cooties infections ? 499176;1392251439;benkay;? 499177;1392251492;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2563 @ 0.00010003 = 0.2564 BTC [+] {2} 499178;1392251517;mircea_popescu;the cascadian movement produced weird music and a lot of new lice infections. 499179;1392251534;mircea_popescu;you know, from all the free sex going out in the free country. 499180;1392251553;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 17073 @ 0.00010002 = 1.7076 BTC [-] {5} 499181;1392251555;pankkake;sex is probably too mainstream for them 499182;1392251589;mircea_popescu;there is that. 499183;1392251614;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2299 @ 0.00010001 = 0.2299 BTC [-] {2} 499184;1392251615;mircea_popescu;ever since it became small in japan sex is pretty much doomed huh. 499185;1392251659;pankkake;http://coinmarketcap.com/ dogecoin now number 4 499186;1392251680;benkay;for clarity - there is no movement. 499187;1392251693;punkman;wink wink 499188;1392251697;mircea_popescu;after alt ?! 499189;1392251716;mircea_popescu;benkay you can not pull the wool over our eyes sir, we know all about it said he knowingly. 499190;1392251738;mircea_popescu;pankkake ahaha ripples #2 ? dude get out of here with this bs, 499191;1392251750;mircea_popescu;ripple total net worth is about -$400 499192;1392251768;pankkake;last trade * total units. like mpoe :) 499193;1392251781;benkay;that list is better regarded as "how much money this ccoin has sucked out of fiat" 499194;1392251787;mircea_popescu;mpoe actually stands for something. 499195;1392251810;mircea_popescu;benkay except not in a million years has ripple done anything of the sort lol 499196;1392251822;benkay;repression of the people, iirc. 499197;1392251829;benkay;'my feeelingsssss' 499198;1392251838;mircea_popescu;Sexcoin$ 539,512 499199;1392251841;mircea_popescu;gimme a break. 499200;1392251857;benkay;well of course it couldn't possibly account for slippage 499201;1392251861;mircea_popescu;LottoCoin$ 710,196 499202;1392251863;benkay;that'd entail knowing what slippage *is* 499203;1392251866;pankkake;ripple was hidden on coinmarketcap, showing it by default is probably going to be its demise 499204;1392251872;mircea_popescu;seriously ? that amply exposed scamcoin is worth dough ? 499205;1392251881;benkay;good luck selling any. 499206;1392251892;punkman;oh CMC now has two pages of coins 499207;1392251895;mircea_popescu;Bitgem$ 246,833 499208;1392251912;mircea_popescu;dude check it out lol. i wonder what all the people with jobs must be thinking 499209;1392251919;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 499210;1392251920;mircea_popescu;when you could just make a gem and buy a house 499211;1392251923;Shakespeare;so if ATC is .00000529 499212;1392251930;Shakespeare;then we're almost at $1m 499213;1392251935;mircea_popescu;CraftCoin$ 56,614 499214;1392251935;Shakespeare;for all the coins ever 499215;1392251968;pankkake;;;calc 16763*512*.00000529 499216;1392251969;gribble;45.40225024 499217;1392251974;mircea_popescu;anyway, the btc is 8bn out of a 10bn market story depicted there is off. 499218;1392251980;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.5711792 = 28.559 BTC [+] {16} 499219;1392251984;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is 99.98% of a whatever it is market. 499220;1392251997;TestingUnoDosTre;junkcoin $328,000 499221;1392252002;asciilifeform;unless i'm missing something, no cryptocoin actually 'sucks money out of fiat' 499222;1392252019;asciilifeform;unless, of course, it is generated via a 'proof of incinerated fiat bills' (serial #s?) 499223;1392252026;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he meant "sucks moneyness out of fiat competitors" 499224;1392252041;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.58499996 = 6.435 BTC [+] 499225;1392252042;punkman;if you have proof of incinerated bills you can get them replaced 499226;1392252043;mircea_popescu;fun fact : destroying fiat bills has no destructive effect on fiat. 499227;1392252049;mircea_popescu;it's merely a transfer towards the issuer. 499228;1392252050;asciilifeform;quite the opposite 499229;1392252076;mircea_popescu;well technically bills these days are more expensive to make than their face value, so it is a sort of pillage 499230;1392252077;TestingUnoDosTre;wait what? 499231;1392252079;Shakespeare;"Please provide a URL that shows the total number of coins in real time." 499232;1392252086;Shakespeare;thats what coinmarketcap wants 499233;1392252094;Shakespeare;as part of listing requirements 499234;1392252103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 881 @ 0.00087011 = 0.7666 BTC [-] 499235;1392252111;mircea_popescu;and basically you could put whatever in there 499236;1392252111;asciilifeform;benjamin costs >100 usd to make? 499237;1392252119;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform most bills are 20s 499238;1392252125;asciilifeform;and they cost >20? 499239;1392252126;pankkake;they support openex? 499240;1392252132;Shakespeare;dunno 499241;1392252134;Shakespeare;i can try 499242;1392252137;Shakespeare;but need url 499243;1392252138;mircea_popescu;cause of all the security elements asciilifeform 499244;1392252143;mircea_popescu;the only way to keep people from counterfitting them 499245;1392252149;pankkake;I mean, I would suppose the biggest hurdle is having an exchange 499246;1392252152;mircea_popescu;is to make the production process cost more than the nominal value 499247;1392252157;mircea_popescu;and i do mean MAKE 499248;1392252164;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.58945588 = 10.0207 BTC [+] {4} 499249;1392252168;pankkake;number of coins, I can write a page in ~10 mins 499250;1392252187;mircea_popescu;pankkake can you also write an irc bot so we can set the number of coins arbitrarily / 499251;1392252191;asciilifeform;last i checked, usd are built substantially below cost at proper national mints 'after hours' (e.g. NK) 499252;1392252198;TestingUnoDosTre;Im not entirely convinved 499253;1392252209;pankkake;I still haven't found why that irc bot lib does not reconnect 499254;1392252227;pankkake;well, the answer I got was "the maintainer is an arrogant fool" 499255;1392252232;mircea_popescu;http://www.marketwatch.com/story/new-100-bill-costs-60-more-to-produce-2013-10-08 499256;1392252234;mircea_popescu;nm, i eat cocks. 499257;1392252240;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1611293/plain/) 499258;1392252240;pankkake;!b 1 499259;1392252273;asciilifeform;i won't be surprised if paper money eventually gets active silicon in it 499260;1392252296;pankkake;how anonymous is cash? 499261;1392252314;pankkake;if you get cash out of an ATM, can it be tracked further? 499262;1392252318;Shakespeare;that's how USD gets value, cost to print it 499263;1392252331;asciilifeform;pankkake: if someone cares to. 499264;1392252341;Shakespeare;also USD is not inflationary 499265;1392252341;punkman;maybe the next gen of fake bill scanners will OCR the serial numbers 499266;1392252346;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59 = 1.18 BTC [+] 499267;1392252348;Shakespeare;there is a fnite amount 499268;1392252351;Shakespeare;just dunno what yet 499269;1392252360;Shakespeare;still mining it 499270;1392252363;benkay;buuuuwaaaaaaat 499271;1392252367;asciilifeform;Shakespeare: Hilbert's Hotel. 499272;1392252399;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456252.msg5043968#msg5043968 499273;1392252402;mircea_popescu;check out that title. 499274;1392252415;mircea_popescu;"World's Leader in Financial Cryptocurrency Contracts IPOs" 499275;1392252446;TestingUnoDosTre;TFA said 12 cents to produce a $100 USD bill 499276;1392252494;asciilifeform;punkman: national mints are doomed to reinvent the blockchain. that is, if anti-counterfeiting were an actual thing, instead of a psychological 'security theatre.' 499277;1392252521;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i am blown away that most us bills arent counterfeit atm. 499278;1392252530;Shakespeare;Announcing New Exotic Ways to Be Scammed 499279;1392252532;mircea_popescu;srsly, it costs 12 cents to make them and the world isn't awash in fakes ? just... how. 499280;1392252559;Shakespeare;Hilbert's hotel makes no sense to me 499281;1392252565;Shakespeare;all the rooms are full, end of story 499282;1392252574;asciilifeform;electric theft involves considerably less physical labour. 499283;1392252584;asciilifeform;(e.g. 'carding') 499284;1392252606;asciilifeform;when you counterfeit paper, some poor schmuck is stuck with the job of 'passing' it 499285;1392252607;punkman;for or all we know, we are awash in fakes 499286;1392252638;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah but carding is hip. 499287;1392252640;benkay;another conspiracy theory to hasten the demise of the tyrant 499288;1392252645;mircea_popescu;generally speaking you're best served by going the other way 499289;1392252651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.0008701 = 7.2218 BTC [-] {2} 499290;1392252652;asciilifeform;the rarity of phony bills is purely an ROI issue. 499291;1392252663;benkay;"90% of your 20s are made in NK" 499292;1392252679;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for that matter, the carded amount has to be gotten out of the bank 499293;1392252691;TestingUnoDosTre;what is this carding you speak of? 499294;1392252693;mircea_popescu;there's really no difference 499295;1392252718;asciilifeform;'carders' traditionally sell the stolen credentials for (pennies on the dollar) 'clean' money 499296;1392252719;Shakespeare;pankkake if you write that code to spit out total current ATC, i can add it to the home page... assuming it's as simple as that 499297;1392252724;asciilifeform;to those who can process them industrially. 499298;1392252744;asciilifeform;using tame banks. 499299;1392252744;mircea_popescu;so then there's exactly no difference. 499300;1392252744;pankkake;it's not that simple, you need a running node and update script 499301;1392252758;mircea_popescu;those who make bills also sell them for pennies on the dollar to those who have the means to pass them 499302;1392252782;mircea_popescu;pankkake Shakespeare just write an interpolation script by time 499303;1392252783;pankkake;so I can host it on my server, but you can't really make calls from server to server that easily 499304;1392252790;asciilifeform;correct. except that bills have to move physically. this is expensive. 499305;1392252800;mircea_popescu;nobody cares, nobody checks, the bitcoin algo is quite efficient at stabilizing issuance in spite of hash volatility 499306;1392252806;mircea_popescu;adjust it once a month or w/e 499307;1392252820;pankkake;actually… does your hosting allow php or something? 499308;1392252825;Shakespeare;yes 499309;1392252831;Shakespeare;i have it on namecheap 499310;1392252843;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not THAT expensive or else amazon'd be out of business. 499311;1392252844;asciilifeform;'carding' as we know it is actually a creature of u.s. and british banks. which profit from it. 499312;1392252855;pankkake;ok, cool, writing now 499313;1392252859;mircea_popescu;how do banks profit from carding ? 499314;1392252863;asciilifeform;'chargebacks', issued when fraud is discovered, are plucked out of merchants. 499315;1392252870;asciilifeform;they eat the loss, plus a penalty fee. 499316;1392252931;mircea_popescu;but that'd be visa and mastercard 499317;1392252934;mircea_popescu;wich aren't banks 499318;1392252939;asciilifeform;ah, yes. 499319;1392252982;asciilifeform;they're 'banks' in the medieval sense, one could say. but, sure. 499320;1392252986;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's more complicated than that. if you think paypal is paying anyone anything when it gets chargebacked... 499321;1392253013;asciilifeform;the merchant loses whatever $ was stolen, plus some. 499322;1392253017;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1623 @ 0.00014476 = 0.2349 BTC [+] {3} 499323;1392253018;mircea_popescu;small time merchants with a shop or w/e are being reamed, but that doesn't really show in the bottom line 499324;1392253032;mircea_popescu;large merchants are immune to chargebacks. 499325;1392253054;mircea_popescu;(actually some strategic large merchants get paid to use cards on a regular basis 499326;1392253066;mircea_popescu;it used to be 8% in romania for a while, until the card people finally gave up_ 499327;1392253078;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3748 @ 0.00014498 = 0.5434 BTC [+] {2} 499328;1392253085;punkman;the chargeback fines are paid to whoever is processing the merchant's transactions 499329;1392253085;asciilifeform;yeah, it would be quite surprising if 'amazon' were reamed to the same depth as a corner shop. 499330;1392253097;punkman;not Visa/Mastercard 499331;1392253117;mircea_popescu;Visa processes, what are you talking about ? 499332;1392253168;punkman;Visa fines the processors too, but on a different scale 499333;1392253200;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 1.16550606 BTC to 321`963 shares, 362 satoshi per share 499334;1392253226;asciilifeform;fact is, 'carding' could disappear overnight if the card issuers wished it. (even in countries with ubiquitous old-style magnetic readers. devices which present the correct magnetism, using one-time account #s, are trivial.) 499335;1392253227;punkman;mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquiring_bank 499336;1392253357;asciilifeform;instead, we see expensive (active silicon) but deliberately-porous crap, e.g. british 'chip&pin.' 499337;1392253416;decimation;I strongly suspect that Costco is paid by American Express to accept Amex cards only 499338;1392253491;asciilifeform;incidentally, if the avaricious idiots move everybody to RFID cards sans crypto challenge/response (as appears to be the plan) - every ATM becomes a btc-ATM. 499339;1392253507;asciilifeform;(i could draw a picture of why, but i'll leave it as an exercise for the alert reader.) 499340;1392253536;decimation;Ascii does an RFID card exist which implements RSA? 499341;1392253560;asciilifeform;decimation: probably. but not economically. 499342;1392253586;asciilifeform;one important fact is that u.s. card issuers love sending 'spam cards' via mail 499343;1392253592;decimation;It seems obvious that some sort of portable public key device is the solution for secure finance 499344;1392253607;asciilifeform;these folks are not interested in securing anything aside from themselves. 499345;1392253627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12592 @ 0.00087086 = 10.9659 BTC [+] 499346;1392253631;decimation;No, it's depressing. Who is the greater criminal? The carder or the banks who enable him? 499347;1392253687;asciilifeform;i (and millions of others) get spam cards in the mail. anyone who can discover some very accessible biographical data can activate said card, should he break the mailbox, and borrow $. 499348;1392253705;asciilifeform;then 'prove you're not a camel.' 499349;1392253728;pankkake;banks sue people who explain how easy carding is 499350;1392253755;asciilifeform;so rsa card would have to somehow cost less than the customary plastic turd, for them to even consider it. 499351;1392253760;asciilifeform;(how?) 499352;1392253812;pankkake;"Serge Humpich is a person who discovered a serious flaw in the Carte Bleue system used in France for credit cards. He was convicted in 2000 to a ten months suspended sentence. He was 36 at the time, and lost his job as a result of the case." 499353;1392253824;asciilifeform;these are a dime a dozen. 499354;1392253846;asciilifeform;like the british folks who were jailed for refusing to pay fraudulent charges on their accounts. 499355;1392253876;herbijudlestoids;hullo kids 499356;1392253878;asciilifeform;(at one time, and perhaps still, the courts there presumed guilt on the part of the complaining card holder) 499357;1392253931;mircea_popescu;punkman " Visa and MasterCard levy fines against acquiring banks that retain merchants with high chargeback frequency. " 499358;1392253932;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 7.41147624 BTC to 19`467 shares, 38072 satoshi per share 499359;1392253939;asciilifeform;pankkake: take-home lesson - found a hole? sell it to spammers and stfu. play your part in the food chain. 499360;1392253941;mircea_popescu;seems that your link supports the notion it is indeed visa fining. 499361;1392253995;punkman;when the merchant pays $30 to the processing bank, they don't turn around and give it to visa 499362;1392254003;mircea_popescu; incidentally, if the avaricious idiots move everybody to RFID cards sans crypto challenge/response << even if it has a challenge system, if it's made by the bank ppl... heh. glwt. 499363;1392254038;mircea_popescu;o look, it's a herbijudlestoids 499364;1392254060;asciilifeform;btc <-> the code. code -> rfid emitter. 499365;1392254060;decimation;The greater criminal is the fiat central planners who enable the whole system 499366;1392254102;mircea_popescu;decimation so basically all crime stems from the existence of the state. 499367;1392254103;herbijudlestoids;i been sick as a fucken dog 499368;1392254109;herbijudlestoids;no work done this week :( 499369;1392254115;herbijudlestoids;on the plus side, i own ~200 ATC 499370;1392254116;mircea_popescu;we thought you were butthurt as a fucken interneteer 499371;1392254135;herbijudlestoids;im riech biech 499372;1392254142;asciilifeform;prediction: at some point ATMs will require the user to stuff his hand in a 'monkey trap.' if the transaction is deemed 'suspicious', the clamps close. 499373;1392254145;decimation;well, if you believe mancur olson the state are the stationary bandits who have grown fat and lazy 499374;1392254152;mircea_popescu;http://www.parodie.com/english/smartcard.htm < why is this named parodie.com 499375;1392254188;asciilifeform;'suspicious,' naturally, will mean that the heuristic suspects the luser of operating a (btc market, etc) card spoofer. 499376;1392254202;decimation;ascii, it would seem foolish to have an RFID with no challenge; as you point out it would make carding even simpler 499377;1392254213;asciilifeform;and yet it is SOP now. 499378;1392254217;asciilifeform;most of the new cards have it. 499379;1392254230;asciilifeform;electromagnetic pickpockets are already busy. 499380;1392254257;decimation;There is talk amoung the elites in the us that there will be a push toward 'chip&pin' 499381;1392254266;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and consequently making an android masturbator will be illegal because it could be used to plug the claw ? 499382;1392254284;asciilifeform;something like that. 499383;1392254292;asciilifeform;'circumvention device !1!!' 499384;1392254295;mircea_popescu;yeah, i see great future for the fiat system. 499385;1392254358;decimation;As Mr. Yarvin points out, post-fiat dollars will still have some value as "federal brownie points" 499386;1392254384;mircea_popescu;confederate money still have some value. 499387;1392254421;decimation;it will be a long time before states give up on the fiat fantasy - even while everyone is banking ducats 499388;1392254445;herbijudlestoids;just going through the log 499389;1392254457;herbijudlestoids;isnt the number of altcoins simply block height * 512? 499390;1392254469;mircea_popescu;yes it is. 499391;1392254481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00086959 = 23.4789 BTC [-] {2} 499392;1392254500;mike_c;for now. once we get that cointerra hardware on the network the halving will happen soon. 499393;1392254516;asciilifeform;http://books.google.com/books?id=wdN0AQAAQBAJ&pg=PT26&dq=kerensky 499394;1392254538;herbijudlestoids;so all we need for the realtime thingy is someone running altcoind and a webserver essentially? 499395;1392254539;mircea_popescu;decimation it's not even a fantasy. has plenty of actual usecases. 499396;1392254556;mircea_popescu;"good for one fuck" nudie party tokens. 499397;1392254568;herbijudlestoids;here is some MPOE data, almost 1000 ticks in my sample finally.... http://imgur.com/46vH0ZV,6sbysnV,6nw9ZRM,sU2iaNQ price, vols, distribution of 20TickRet, DPO 499398;1392254574;mircea_popescu;"good for one spin" casino chips 499399;1392254574;mircea_popescu;etc 499400;1392254587;kakobrekla;i think you can use blockr api for altcoin 499401;1392254631;decimation;sure; the fantasy is that fiat will hold value at its quantity approaches infinity 499402;1392254641;mircea_popescu;a, that. 499403;1392254681;mircea_popescu;pretty cool. 499404;1392254682;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: lets say i place a huge at market MPOE buy order into the book and it clears the book for like twenty levels. what price does assbot report the tick completing at? 499405;1392254697;mircea_popescu;vwap 499406;1392254718;herbijudlestoids;so my tick chart looks a little funny cos of that i guess 499407;1392254722;decimation;I have a small collection of Weimar Marks 499408;1392254725;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00569804 = 0.5698 BTC [+] {5} 499409;1392254774;mircea_popescu;funny how ? 499410;1392254782;herbijudlestoids;its got that huge gap 499411;1392254804;herbijudlestoids;also i was looking at (what i assume is the daily) chart of MPOE on mpex.co 499412;1392254838;herbijudlestoids;definitely some of those bars look like someone clearing the book and then retail nublets executing much smaller orders at market after the book is cleared 499413;1392254879;decimation;ascii the disadvantages gold has are advantages for bitcoin 499414;1392254898;asciilifeform;"You should hold on to some cash, for purely didactic purposes. I remember my great-grandmother, who passed away when I was seven, and I remember playing with her little hoard of kerenki - ruble notes in ridiculously high yet worthless denominations that had been issued by the Russian Provisional Government, under the leadership of Prime Minister Alexander Kerensky... ... I was quite taken with the ten-thousand 499415;1392254898;asciilifeform;-ruble note, which seemed like a lot of money to me at the time, and was very surprised to hear that it was completely worthless and that I could take one and use it as a bookmark (which I did). It was not until the 1990s that Russia again issued a note in that denomination, which likewise became worthless soon after it was printed." 499416;1392254928;decimation;indeed, I have a 100,000 mark note 499417;1392254957;decimation;it's a useful conversation stopper for anyone who thinks fiat is a great long-term savings vehicle 499418;1392254985;BingoBoingo;I wonder what part Hearn might have had in transaction malleability suddely becoming a problem 499419;1392255030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.00086796 = 28.9031 BTC [-] {4} 499420;1392255066;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids yeah that's prolly because your dataset only has one drop 499421;1392255118;asciilifeform;"... And so, you too should hold on to a few dollar, or euro, or ruble or yuan notes, in the highest denominations available at the time they all become worthless, as a keepsake. Then you will be able to show them to your great-grandchildren and say, 'Can you imagine, this ugly piece of paper was once a prized possession!' And your great-grandchildren will no doubt think that you are a little bit senile, but th 499422;1392255118;asciilifeform;en they will probably think that anyway, because by then you probably will be. But it certainly won't be helpful to hold on to multiple shoeboxes full of old currency, because then your great-grandchildren will think that you are in fact insane, because no sane person would be hoarding such trash. It is important that they don't think that, because the lesson is an important one: chances are that during their l 499423;1392255118;asciilifeform;ifetimes some tin-pot pseudo-nationalist leader will print up ugly slips of paper with pictures of dead people, Masonic symbols and big numbers, and attempt to charge people for using them as a medium of exchange in all transactions, and your great-grandchildren need to know, from an early age, that it is a scam. It is an official scvam, backed up by the threat of violence, but it is still a scam." 499424;1392255160;decimation;it's the biggest scam going 499425;1392255240;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo inasmuch as it's mostly a reddit driven "omg we're retarded" panic, i doubt anyhing at all. 499426;1392255288;decimation;One must wonder, if each country in the world is truly soveirgn, why hasn't it occured to any of them to reinstate the gold standard? 499427;1392255289;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: not sure if the netsplit caused my bot to miss any ticks, but otherwise cant think of any reason why it would only have one 499428;1392255317;asciilifeform;i (and countless other people) got a boyhood education in fiat. when my folks were packing for the u.s., i traded in a shoebox full of rubles for $1. 499429;1392255339;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, after the great fork of 11 months ago a blaming Hearn because redditards suck at picking primary key values for databases seems reasonable. (I mean both "crises" are essentially database problems) 499430;1392255342;asciilifeform;for the $1, bought a keychain in a 'dollar store' when we landed. still got it. 499431;1392255345;mircea_popescu;decimation but it has. romania for instance is on the gold standard. 499432;1392255373;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo well sure, but the differences are more marked than the similarities. 499433;1392255431;decimation;I thought they were already on the euro - good for them if they have avoided it so far 499434;1392255465;mircea_popescu;nah, the local cb guy nixed the euro long ago, much to everyone's wtfitude. turns out he was right. 499435;1392255478;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, that depends. 11 months ago there was a ridiculously central database derpocolypse. Nao there is a more subtle derpocolypse that doesn't seem as critical, but happens to hammer the fiat/BTC interface players hard while actual BTC cared about working too much to make those mistakes. 499436;1392255485;mircea_popescu;romania has since been stockpiling gold, it holds more per capita than most countries, and it enjoys the advantages 499437;1392255502;mircea_popescu;(for instance, the leu is worth in dollars/euros/whatever else exactly as much as romania says it is worth) 499438;1392255529;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo maybe we're not talking about the same thing. what exactly is "hammering the fiat/btc" interface ? 499439;1392255536;decimation;well that makes their state funded gold mine even more retarded 499440;1392255539;asciilifeform;"To this day pots of late-Roman gold are periodically dug up in England during excavations of Roman villas; the residents of these villas were unable to derive any benefit from their hoards as their empire collapsed and the Dark Age closed in around them." (further from herr Orlov) 499441;1392255556;mircea_popescu;decimation except it wouldn't be state funded. 499442;1392255573;mircea_popescu;it'd be "private", as in romanian govt gives to some random third party the place and gets in exchange some nothing at all. 499443;1392255591;decimation;ok; that's even worse 499444;1392255602;mircea_popescu;well yes. 499445;1392255610;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Rendering the Gox and Stamp, two cans and a string exchanges with these corrected transactions (corrected because leading zeros in signatures suck). 499446;1392255620;decimation;why not declare the whole thing part of the romanian central bank to be mined an paid when it advantages Romania? 499447;1392255621;mircea_popescu;it's one of those "hey, let you give us free money" deals a la coinbase. 499448;1392255634;mircea_popescu;decimation i was under the impression i had said exactly that :D 499449;1392255651;decimation;Indeed. 499450;1392255661;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you know that a) gox is lieing about it being a problem and b) all the other scammers happy to follow suit 499451;1392255666;mircea_popescu;because hey, it's a golden opportunity. 499452;1392255709;benkay;plus the moles might get to slip some bullshit into the newer client protocol 499453;1392255713;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Of course. And should they weather this storm to scam again, the retardedness of their excuse makes their herp all the more evident. 499454;1392255715;mircea_popescu;plus that. 499455;1392255727;asciilifeform;i still predict that gox et al will eventually 'repay' the chumps in a scamcoin minted for the purpose. 499456;1392255733;decimation;Is there a coherent analysis of this supposed transaction problem somewhere? 499457;1392255739;mircea_popescu;decimation nope. 499458;1392255750;mircea_popescu;but you should write it, save me the trouble. 499459;1392255765;decimation;You also said in the past that the 'dev team' ought to write a complete api/interface spec 499460;1392255772;BingoBoingo;decimation: I've been drafting one this week. Dunno if I will get techincal enough for you decimation 499461;1392255788;BingoBoingo;decimation: No mircea_popescu Wants a spec. 499462;1392255795;mircea_popescu;decimation i merely observed that whoever is doing that is the dev team 499463;1392255812;mircea_popescu;and anyone else claiming to be the dev team is roughly in the position of various people on the forum claiming to be financiers. 499464;1392255813;decimation;well, something is better than nothing. It sucks to wade through crap cpp code to find out how something works 499465;1392255813;BingoBoingo;AH, sorry eye lag, vodka 499466;1392255845;BingoBoingo;decimation: The thing is this problem nao isn't in the BTC code at all. 499467;1392255857;BingoBoingo;At least not as I understand problem and BTC code 499468;1392255909;BingoBoingo;As I understand the narrative, this is a n00bier database problem than 11 months ago. 499469;1392256021;benkay;decimation: are you interested in working on a BNF rendering of the bitcoin network protocol? 499470;1392256026;BingoBoingo;The problem is Derp php coders making website. 499471;1392256038;benkay;hey BingoBoingo you stop talking shit on PHP okay? 499472;1392256053;benkay;it stands for Professional Hardcore Programmers for a reason, mang. 499473;1392256066;BingoBoingo;benkay: PHP is great for what it does well. 499474;1392256067;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 16 @ 0.07793684 = 1.247 BTC [+] {6} 499475;1392256079;decimation;I don't have expertise in that; I'm better at dsp code 499476;1392256113;benkay;nor do i, but it's clearly the right thing to do and an extremely useful tool to know (BNF, that is) 499477;1392256142;benkay;besides 499478;1392256142;pankkake;Pee Hash Pee 499479;1392256151;benkay;THERE IS NO FORMAL DEFINITION OF THE NETWORK PROTOCOL 499480;1392256239;mircea_popescu;derp. 499481;1392256258;decimation;after reading enough of the loper blog I'm beginning to fantasize about bitcoin written in forth 499482;1392256272;mircea_popescu;start small, do it in 3rd first. 499483;1392256279;benkay;herp. 499484;1392256283;decimation;heh 499485;1392256296;benkay;lisp zeroth 499486;1392256307;benkay;decimation if you like forth you'll love green arrays 499487;1392256308;benkay;http://www.greenarraychips.com/ 499488;1392256335;decimation;I played around with the javascript forth interpreter here: http://www.forthfreak.net/jsforth.html 499489;1392256358;decimation;I fondly recall my hp-48 RPN programming in my youth 499490;1392256372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7949 @ 0.00086721 = 6.8935 BTC [-] 499491;1392256382;benkay;baw haw haw javascript anything i cry 499492;1392256413;decimation;yeah the concept of forth on javascript is hilarious, but it's a fun toy 499493;1392256454;decimation;I saw that greenarrays stuff 499494;1392256469;BingoBoingo;An interesting contest might be to see who can develop a cryptocurrency incorporating features agreed to be essential to bitcoin in the least amount of code (self contained so any calls that would be to external libraries have to be brought in) 499495;1392256517;decimation;ideally - reduce it down to a credit card form factor 499496;1392256522;mircea_popescu;before yo ucan do that yotu need a protocol. 499497;1392256557;decimation;true. so many interesting advancements must wait for a well-documented spec 499498;1392256605;mircea_popescu;decimation as a point of strategy, the would-be dev team power ranges may be foolish, but they're useful fools. 499499;1392256614;BingoBoingo;Making a minimal functional client for the purposes of documenting a spec might make a rather ultimate battlegound in the C vs. LISP wars 499500;1392256633;mircea_popescu;a shoddy bitcoin #1 is actually quite useful, you can have bitcoin #2 all prepared in the background. 499501;1392256638;pankkake;I'll just do "import bitcoin" in Python, a la https://xkcd.com/353/ 499502;1392256660;Azelphur;Python programmer as day job, can confirm. 499503;1392256687;benkay;if i might offer a different perspective, there are several disparate concerns that could be tackled independently and independent of language wars. 499504;1392256707;mircea_popescu;benkay by thinking people. 499505;1392256716;benkay;there's the network client, the thing responsible for connecting to the bitcoin/litecoin/altcoin network downloading blocks and broadcasting txns 499506;1392256741;benkay;and then there's blockchain validation 499507;1392256758;decimation;these can and ought to be split into modules 499508;1392256764;pankkake;http://protocoin.readthedocs.org/ 499509;1392256771;benkay;indeed 499510;1392256802;benkay;(outta my face - where's the source?!?!) 499511;1392256805;benkay;in any event 499512;1392256813;mircea_popescu;http://xkcd.com/276/ 499513;1392256855;herbijudlestoids;@276 499514;1392256863;benkay;i believe (and i'm open to suggestions and corrections from those wiser and more experienced than myself) that the appropriate implementation path for both the blockchain validatoin and the network client is a state machine describing the valid states of the validator and network client respectively, the messages they can process and what states those messages kick each machine into 499515;1392256904;benkay;what's more, a state machine approach satisfies the "spec" that mircea_popescu has been going on for lo these many forevers 499516;1392256912;mircea_popescu;sounds about right. 499517;1392256925;benkay;it's a formal definition of bitcoin, as opposed to the ad-hoc cpp hairball-as-canonical-thinger 499518;1392256982;benkay;or it would be if anyone would write it 499519;1392257029;BingoBoingo;Archival fail, or why paper doesn't make the best "paper" wallets http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2014/2/12/mold-destroys-600000-library-books/ 499520;1392257034;mike_c;it's not clicking why a state machine would make it great. 499521;1392257041;decimation;yeah that sounds legit. I wish the same brain who invented bitcoin were around to help perfect it. 499522;1392257105;mike_c;what are a couple states the machine would pass through? I don't see it. 499523;1392257122;mike_c;take the blockchain validator for instance. 499524;1392257136;benkay;i'd rather take the network client actually 499525;1392257167;benkay;state: init 499526;1392257178;benkay;transition to state: exchange version messages 499527;1392257201;mircea_popescu;decimation ever heard of decentralisation ? :D 499528;1392257221;benkay;transition to state: getblocks | state: getaddrs 499529;1392257249;mike_c;yeah, so, i believe all the hairiness would be in implementing what goes on in those states anyway. i'm not sure structuring the high level stuff around states would neccesarily make it much cleaner. 499530;1392257250;BingoBoingo;Someone found a pricing error: Basketball SE Missouri State 70 Tenn Martin 79Tenn Martin ML 2 hours ago 7.060 / +606 ฿ 0.005 ฿ 0.0303 paid 499531;1392257279;mircea_popescu;mike_c what'd be the alternative ? 499532;1392257348;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9000 @ 0.00012542 = 1.1288 BTC [-] {8} 499533;1392257384;mike_c;it being a state machine is an implementation detail. a definition and spec would make the world better. 499534;1392257427;mircea_popescu;the wet being water isn't an implementation detail, is it ? 499535;1392257476;mircea_popescu;it's a state machine whether we know/admit/notice this or not. 499536;1392257492;benkay;^^ 499537;1392257530;mike_c;any program can be thought of that way. 499538;1392257551;benkay;and maybe most should? 499539;1392257552;mike_c;it's the definiton & spec of what goes on in those states that is more needed. 499540;1392257610;benkay;the english definition's been written by those who are capable of writing english definitions and not state machines, and its time for someone to write the state machine 499541;1392257617;benkay;'cause WHOOO BOY have you read the textual spec? 499542;1392257643;mike_c;so a UML diagram helps? I don't think it does. 499543;1392257672;benkay;mike_c: you can compile a formally defined state machine into a parser in the language of your choice. it's not an academic exercise. 499544;1392257684;92AAAD6TI;are you saying that a graph is defined by how its nodes are labeled and not their relationships? 499545;1392257695;mike_c;yes, rational rose will convert UML to code. shitty code that is far from done. 499546;1392257732;benkay;oh god ibm 499547;1392257747;mike_c;whoa, we chased everyone away 499548;1392257754;benkay;try Ragel. 499549;1392257763;benkay;or something industry hardened like BNF 499550;1392257800;herbijudlestoids;nah im still here 499551;1392257803;mike_c;But what you end with is the same thing we have "the code is the spec". 499552;1392257810;herbijudlestoids;sorry, was raging to my team about the shittiest con call i was just on 499553;1392257840;benkay;except a CPP hairball is not a formal definition, and BNF is, well, a formal definition. 499554;1392257887;mike_c;would you want to try and understand a complex system by reading BNF? 499555;1392257896;BingoBoingo;Hell, even a hairball of K&R C could almost pass muster as a spec 499556;1392257907;herbijudlestoids;gribble is dead? 499557;1392257942;BingoBoingo;Oh, DDoS time I see 499558;1392257945;decimation;it seems freenode is messed up 499559;1392257950;B007_;mircea_popescu: I still want to be un-poor 499560;1392257958;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53600002 = 1.072 BTC [-] {2} 499561;1392257965;BingoBoingo;B007: We all want to be unpoor 499562;1392257980;B007_;I know 499563;1392257989;BingoBoingo;B007: Unpoor is predicated on willingness to learn though 499564;1392258002;herbijudlestoids;https://medium.com/matter/76d9913c6011 499565;1392258002;mike_c;benkay: did you survive ddos? i wasn't asking rhetorically. 499566;1392258002;benkay;mike_c: it's the difference between algebra and java. 499567;1392258013;benkay;i went to the bathroom 499568;1392258020;herbijudlestoids;"What tear gas taught me about twitter and the NSA" 499569;1392258022;herbijudlestoids;good articlde. 499570;1392258033;benkay;ping mike_c 499571;1392258039;mike_c;ah :) i guess i'm saying i wouldn't want algebra or java to be the spec. 499572;1392258045;BingoBoingo;I can't stand medium.com 499573;1392258051;BingoBoingo;Too much javascript. 499574;1392258066;benkay;algebra is entirely acceptable for the spec of both network protocol and blockchain parsing. 499575;1392258092;benkay;arguably, if you can't figure it out you shouldn't be fucking with it, and if you can't spend the time to learn the notation ditto. 499576;1392258101;benkay;bitcoin is most emphatically not for dilletantes. 499577;1392258115;Mats_cd03;i have a great idea: what if someone offered a service for n number of nodes spawned through e.g. digitalocean 499578;1392258127;Mats_cd03;crowdfunded by a btc addr 499579;1392258136;benkay;you lost me at crowdfunded baby 499580;1392258136;BingoBoingo;benkay: Some parts of bitcoin are friendlier to dilettantes than others. 499581;1392258139;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: i understand, and apologise, but still, would value thoughts and opinions on what i think is a good article. if you like i can pastebin it? 499582;1392258141;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00086717 = 25.3647 BTC [-] {2} 499583;1392258143;Mats_cd03;everytime you hit $n dollars another one gets spun up for y days 499584;1392258158;benkay;BingoBoingo: yeah, like the part where you buy 'em. 499585;1392258163;benkay;not even the part where you guarantee their security yourself as the buying party. 499586;1392258176;B007_;digitalocean will lock your accout automatically if they recieve abuse complaints about you 499587;1392258181;mike_c;yeah.. not about understanding the notation. i can read assembly too, but i'd rather read C. but perhaps for something like the network protocol you're right. 499588;1392258186;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I suffered through reading it. It isn't bad. I've found tear gas relatively not that bad. 499589;1392258193;benkay;lissen mike_c i gotta dip a few blocks over to a nerd thing i'll be back online in like 20 or 30 minutes 499590;1392258193;Mats_cd03;is that something you think people would be interested in 499591;1392258206;mike_c;k, later 499592;1392258269;decimation;Mats; I doubt anyone here wants to reinvent S3 499593;1392258276;BingoBoingo;benkay: I'd venture even securing coins is something a casual user could do. 499594;1392258289;BingoBoingo;So long as the coins are one's personal coins 499595;1392258465;herbijudlestoids;decimation: you mean like openstack swift has done? ;) but i dont think thats what he was referring to 499596;1392258471;herbijudlestoids;i think hes just saying bitcoind VM instances, spawned in IaaS, funded by BT 499597;1392258475;herbijudlestoids;BTC* 499598;1392258500;decimation;ok, how would that help anyone? 499599;1392258542;herbijudlestoids;decimation: someone was complaining earlier that the number of nodes in the bitcoin network running the actual "reference implementation" that avoids this transaction malleability issue has dropped from ~10,000s in 2011 to ~1000 today 499600;1392258557;herbijudlestoids;or something like that 499601;1392258567;mike_c;A formal definition for protocol is necessary, but also insufficient. So now you know "how". But if you don't know "why", you are still going to end up fucked. The why is more important. 499602;1392258570;herbijudlestoids;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2014#498502 499603;1392258574;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 499604;1392258599;decimation;mike, I think the "why" can only be conveyed in plain English, like an RFC 499605;1392258614;herbijudlestoids;~60k to ~1k 499606;1392258639;mike_c;yeah, me too. 499607;1392258648;mike_c;let's get some PEP's in here. 499608;1392258650;herbijudlestoids;decimation: so it doesnt help in any way except in regards to that complaint 499609;1392258812;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00013817 = 0.4145 BTC [-] {4} 499610;1392258854;mircea_popescu2;da fuck i just been targetted 499611;1392258863;herbijudlestoids;nah ddos 499612;1392258918;Mats_cd03;I think it'd be easy, I might even start writing the code now just to see it happen 499613;1392258925;B007_;mircea_popescu2: targetted? 499614;1392258926;mircea_popescu2;i ended up having to connect by ip because chat.freenode.net for some reason was resolving to a suspicious ip 499615;1392258940;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/qLVTsVU 499616;1392258941;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 499617;1392258941;B007_;oh freenode 499618;1392258945;nubbins`;behold the bounty of nubbins` 499619;1392258973;Mats_cd03;Nice 499620;1392258999;B007_;is mircea_popescu2 even the real one 499621;1392259006;B007_;i mean it has a 2 499622;1392259009;B007_;suspicious 499623;1392259015;nubbins`;who cares 499624;1392259030;B007_;idk 499625;1392259033;nubbins`;heh 499626;1392259039;nubbins`;check hostmask 499627;1392259061;B007_;nah 499628;1392259101;nubbins`;got two round loaves in the oven now 499629;1392259122;B007_;I want som 499630;1392259130;B007_;I'm hungry as fuck 499631;1392259142;nubbins`;sourdough w/ flax 499632;1392259156;nubbins`;lots of omega 3, good for ya 499633;1392259267;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu2: Well, if they serve you a suspicious IP at least you can know it isn't the meta-nsa 499634;1392259498;MisterE;BingoBoingo: the problem is Gox's own fuckedup internal wallet system that allowed double spending. 499635;1392259522;MisterE;the BTC malleability bug has been known for better part of a year 499636;1392259524;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Right, but that is like a super n00by database problem 499637;1392259529;mike_c;if only they had a PEP to refer to when working on their custom shit. 499638;1392259541;MisterE;Typical Japanese / Asian to blame anything other than themselves to save face 499639;1392259557;MisterE;sorry if thats sterotyping lived here 8-years, its true 499640;1392259583;MisterE;BingoBoingo: I reckon it was a problem with scaling 499641;1392259593;pankkake;are those custom wallets really necessary? 499642;1392259618;mike_c;custom shit is always necessary when you scale big. 499643;1392259624;MisterE;FB almost went dark because they couldn't scale their php to run in huge distributed environments well 499644;1392259643;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Seems if they are are honest more of a problem of picking the wrong values to use as database primary keys. 499645;1392259644;MisterE;a couple breakthroughs such as hiphop and the hip hop vm jit compiler saved their ass by like weeks 499646;1392259647;pankkake;well facebook is a pile of bad decisions 499647;1392259660;MisterE;I suspect Cox ran into a similar wall but without FBs resources 499648;1392259676;MisterE;lol pankkake maybe a bad example 499649;1392259683;MisterE;especially in this channle 499650;1392259694;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu nope. me, i use lex and yacc, and even those only when it cannot be helped. 499651;1392259696;MisterE;maybe 1/10 have FB here? 499652;1392259698;pankkake;anyway, you could also run multiple bitcoinds 499653;1392259708;MisterE;^ 499654;1392259724;MisterE;eventually this is the future 499655;1392259743;MisterE;transactions must move out of the blockchain it cant grow forever 499656;1392259749;BingoBoingo;The Gox, if they are reliable narrators, problem is they rely on txid as a primary key in their databases. txid makes a poor primary key 499657;1392259753;MisterE;so exchanges have their own internal chains 499658;1392259764;MisterE;hmm 499659;1392259779;benkay;back 499660;1392259809;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Exchanges don't have their own internal chains. They just handle the actual chain poorly 499661;1392259819;MisterE;they will 499662;1392259828;MisterE;they must there can't be 1 chain forever 499663;1392259860;pankkake;you don't need a blockchain internally if you have trust 499664;1392259866;MisterE;already coinbase does internal wallets stuff 499665;1392259877;mike_c;benkay: i decided we need PEPs first, not BNF. 499666;1392259878;pankkake;by multiple bitcoinds I just meant multiple bitcoinds. like multiple frontend servers 499667;1392259882;MisterE;if you transfer within CB it doesn;t show in the blockchain 499668;1392259902;MisterE;not sure exactly what they are doing 499669;1392259921;MisterE;they sure do fill up my timeline with tweets a lot though 499670;1392260020;mircea_popescu2;that was trippy 499671;1392260035;MisterE;the best investment in BTC is infrastructure provider, who got rich on ever gold rush? not the miners, the people who sold them gear. BTC network infrastructure for transactions is the future of financial transactions even if BTC is not the coin / currency in use 499672;1392260067;mircea_popescu;MisterE who are you and what makes you think you have something to say ? 499673;1392260075;MisterE;:P 499674;1392260079;MisterE;nobody / arrogance 499675;1392260086;mircea_popescu;mkay. 499676;1392260101;mike_c;http://trilema.com/2012/why-smpoe-is-worth-more-than-mtgox/ 499677;1392260101;MisterE;anybody who says they know shit about BTC should be ignored 499678;1392260102;ozbot;Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 499679;1392260113;benkay;oh you decided on PEPs did you? 499680;1392260129;benkay;^^ mike_c 499681;1392260131;mike_c;2014 version: because you can withdraw your bitcoin 499682;1392260158;mike_c;benkay: yes. need the why more than the how. 499683;1392260159;benkay;mike_c: is that a reference to the Python Enhancement Proposal? 499684;1392260163;mike_c;yes 499685;1392260170;asciilifeform;ok what's this talk of state machines ? 499686;1392260174;benkay;no man bitcoin is in feature freeze 499687;1392260188;mike_c;feature freeze is fine, write PEPs for the features already existing :) 499688;1392260189;benkay;asciilifeform! 499689;1392260224;asciilifeform;benkay: here i am 499690;1392260225;benkay;for sensible, constrained declarations of a) network client behaviors and b) blockchain parsing 499691;1392260276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00087086 = 29.9576 BTC [+] 499692;1392260334;asciilifeform;sort of how i once pontificated re: fpga implementation of bitcoind (e.g. verilog) would be a good 'cruft shedder' exercise. 499693;1392260344;BingoBoingo;Oh, davout's gone. 499694;1392260356;mircea_popescu;mike_c lol 499695;1392260359;B007;I'm soooo hungry 499696;1392260367;MisterE;pizza! 499697;1392260373;mircea_popescu;for the lolz of it : mpex actually discontinued withdrawals first 499698;1392260379;asciilifeform;'rotary debugger.' 499699;1392260388;mircea_popescu;it's just in mpex' case it's been a private joke rather than the sad reality 499700;1392260390;mike_c;my counterargument was that a formal definition (be it BNF or fpga) of those is less useful than an english spec explaining rationale. 499701;1392260394;B007;mircea_popescu: how many btc do you have 499702;1392260403;B007;don't lie 499703;1392260410;mircea_popescu;B007 some. 499704;1392260415;MisterE;thats not polite 499705;1392260423;MisterE;how rich / poor are you? 499706;1392260439;B007;poor 499707;1392260445;B007;and you? 499708;1392260449;Mats_cd03;jurov: beep 499709;1392260450;mircea_popescu;there's some post where the girl's counting it much to pietilla's delight. 499710;1392260455;MisterE;in debt :/ 499711;1392260462;B007;yeah 499712;1392260467;B007;school? 499713;1392260479;MisterE;naah worse, health 499714;1392260481;mike_c;fpga that did blockchain parsing would completely ignore tx malleabiality (as it should). PEP would tell you WHY you are ignoring it, so when you are writing custom shit you don't mess it up. 499715;1392260493;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Who isn't being polite nao 499716;1392260504;asciilifeform;mike_c: i'd love to read 'Bitcoin, the book.' with rationales. but it would be of little worth without a strictly-minimal, brain-loadable reference implementation. 499717;1392260507;asciilifeform;with no sharp edges. 499718;1392260510;mircea_popescu;^ 499719;1392260512;MisterE;:p nevermind me, I'm a n00b here and dunno who is friends 499720;1392260519;mircea_popescu;we can have that novel written sometime in 2050 499721;1392260550;mike_c;but but, perfect implementation does not help you when you are adding things. 499722;1392260550;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/TomHoepfner/status/431739694250856448 << max keiser offloading the support task for his shitcoin upon freenode staff :D 499723;1392260552;ozbot;Twitter / TomHoepfner: @freenodestaff ok, thx - was ... 499724;1392260577;mike_c;both necessary, but perfect implementation is insufficient. 499725;1392260581;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 499726;1392260588;mircea_popescu;mike_c there's no particular requirement that people who don't already know the rationales sould be involved in writing any code. 499727;1392260615;mike_c;and less important while we are applying our limited resources. 499728;1392260621;B007;http://ponzi.io/ 499729;1392260622;B007;lol 499730;1392260649;mike_c;hmm. interesting point. it just makes for a bumpier ride. 499731;1392260662;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Well, in Bitcoin polite is neither asking now answering exaclty how much BTC one holds. If you must ask, Roughly or Publically how much BTC do you hold is on the line of acceptable. As far as answering though even saying "I hold between zero and inside your mom right now BTC" is still polite. 499732;1392260685;MisterE;:P it is still irc afterall 499733;1392260708;MisterE;too bad I missed out on the ponzi 499734;1392260711;B007;I hope no btc is in ur mom 499735;1392260726;BingoBoingo;MisterE Bitcoin introduces interesting features though, like information is only privledged one way. 499736;1392260741;MisterE;if it goes back to $1k I'll go in there and retrieve it :d 499737;1392260742;mike_c;the problem is bitcoin has no competition. so we get away with doing a crappy job. 499738;1392260760;MisterE;hmm good point 499739;1392260804;B007;anon wants money 176im9MN1AbWFJZ9saFnCgXXGZB4iBABhH 499740;1392260837;MisterE;I dunno why countries that want to break the dollar hegemony already like S. American's who have been fucked by the US / CIA for decades don't start their own cryptocurrency 499741;1392260868;BingoBoingo;B007: But a laundry maker in your pooper, write Bingo on your left asscheek and Boingo on your right asscheek. I'll pay 0.01 BTC for the picture. 499742;1392260869;MisterE;they want their own NSA proof internets, impossible I know, but... 499743;1392260870;asciilifeform;MisterE: they have runaway mints of their own. national scamcoins, on the other hand, are inevitable. 499744;1392260883;MisterE;yea I recon so 499745;1392260900;B007;wtf is a laundry maker 499746;1392260911;BingoBoingo;B007: A sharpie in American terms. 499747;1392260933;MisterE;marker* 499748;1392260938;B007;oh a marker 499749;1392260939;B007;lol 499750;1392260942;MisterE;:p 499751;1392260944;BingoBoingo;B007: if anon wants BTC they have to play their pooper 499752;1392260954;B007;nah 499753;1392261035;BingoBoingo;B007: You might be agreeable to that price next year, but the offer won't be there. 499754;1392261057;mike_c;mircea_popescu: wait. i disagree. how are you supposed to learn the rationale? this is why something BingoBoingo collecting satoshi's mails are useful. 499755;1392261061;B007;or it will be morthles 499756;1392261068;mike_c;*something like 499757;1392261070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00087023 = 11.4 BTC [-] 499758;1392261071;B007;*worthless 499759;1392261080;mircea_popescu;mike_c yes, you ask, you read, you whatever. 499760;1392261091;mircea_popescu;basically a pull rather than a push for now because we aren't yet as formalised 499761;1392261106;BingoBoingo;B007: No, next year it might be worth too much to spend on your dignity. Buttcoins are purely deflationary. 499762;1392261109;B007;mircea_popescu: where is my money 499763;1392261118;mircea_popescu;how was one supposed to think logically before aristotle got around to writing logics ? 499764;1392261130;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 180 @ 0.0008351 = 0.1503 BTC [+] 499765;1392261155;mike_c;yes, which is why i think the logic of bitcoin being organized is more important than the perfect implementation. 499766;1392261159;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, they debated Parimenides versus Heraclitus and just raped each other. 499767;1392261173;mike_c;ok, i've beaten this horse. 499768;1392261187;B007;its dead 499769;1392261202;asciilifeform;the question is not of a 'perfect' implementation, 499770;1392261209;mircea_popescu;but of a definite one. 499771;1392261215;mircea_popescu;something natural language will never be. 499772;1392261215;asciilifeform;but of one that can actually be understood, by a reasonably-intelligent person, with reasonable effort. 499773;1392261221;asciilifeform;the way one understands a kalashnikov. 499774;1392261272;asciilifeform;(what values of 'reasonable', depends on the intrinsic complexity of the problem.) 499775;1392261298;MisterE;mike_c: at this point in time I agree 499776;1392261305;asciilifeform;'natural language' only has a place here as a teaching aid. 499777;1392261308;MisterE;eventualy you have to ship 499778;1392261315;asciilifeform;and never as a substitute for mechanics. 499779;1392261323;mike_c;yes. and perhaps satoshi could write that. barring that, i think the order should be: we agree on the rationale, then are capable of writing the kalishnikov version. 499780;1392261341;mircea_popescu;no, because this is not art an we aren't making a vase. 499781;1392261349;mircea_popescu;this is science, we're describing an actual real process. 499782;1392261378;asciilifeform;the only truly unambiguous definition of a computation is the computation itself. 499783;1392261385;mircea_popescu;it's not a matter of agreeing how we'd like the vase to look, but a matter of representing how gravity actually and in fact does work 499784;1392261418;mike_c;you don't build the perfect factory by starting to build the machines. you figure out the overall process first, the steps. then you build the robots. 499785;1392261442;mircea_popescu;why are you so focused on the building and implementation notional universe ? 499786;1392261442;mike_c;the fricking white paper came before the code 499787;1392261449;mircea_popescu;seems odd, a state machine is an abstraction. 499788;1392261459;asciilifeform;we've got the robot. with a warehouse's worth of extraneous junk welded to it. 499789;1392261468;asciilifeform;and parts held together with tape. 499790;1392261473;mircea_popescu;mike_c i suspect the code only came because the response to the paper was a particular brand of retarded. 499791;1392261499;mike_c;asciilifeform: ok.. so you are saying reverse engineer instead of start from the top. 499792;1392261518;BingoBoingo;I can't believe B007 quit before I had the chance to drop links 499793;1392261527;asciilifeform;mike_c: you could certainly phrase it that way. 499794;1392261561;mircea_popescu;why does it have to be an either anyway ? 499795;1392261569;mircea_popescu;you know the bridges joke ? 499796;1392261570;mike_c;it does not and should not. 499797;1392261577;mike_c;only the bridge builder one 499798;1392261580;mircea_popescu;yea that. 499799;1392261585;mircea_popescu;if they meet, you got your bridge 499800;1392261590;mircea_popescu;if they don't, i guess you get two 499801;1392261607;mike_c;hmm. we're talking about different jokes. i'm talking about bob the bridge builder 499802;1392261609;asciilifeform;birthing a parsimonious implementation of something (i.e. one that can actually be understood) is not necessarily the same as the student pissing contest of 'write the shortest hello world for ms-dos in asm' 499803;1392261661;mircea_popescu;mike_c buncha teams are presenting offers to build a brige. they all start from both sides. one team has laser sensors and whatever, the 2nd satellite and whatnot 499804;1392261664;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I am pretty sure the solution to that problem is skipping ms-dos or any other os nd just writing asm hello world 499805;1392261669;mircea_popescu;the third is more flegmatic. either one or two bridges. 499806;1392261775;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that'd hardly win you the slimmest turd contest. 499807;1392261852;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Slimmest turd is a different contest. That is easily solved through copious amunts of magnesium citrate and not allowing turds to leave solution in water. 499808;1392261883;mike_c;mircea_popescu: i don't get the joke, but i get your point. 499809;1392261924;mircea_popescu;well it's supposed to be funny by contrast. the one team that didn't need tech 499810;1392262591;mircea_popescu;http://www.examiner.com/article/it-was-the-best-of-times-it-was-the-blurst-of-times-throwing-out-your-first-chapter 499811;1392262592;ozbot;It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times: throwing out your first chapter - National Wri 499812;1392262604;mircea_popescu;for epic lols : writing novels is listed under GARDENING, 499813;1392262623;mircea_popescu;sequels are spelled seqeuls, 499814;1392262630;mircea_popescu;and the guy has absolutely no idea who hemingway was. 499815;1392262655;herbijudlestoids;i read something about hemmingway today 499816;1392262656;herbijudlestoids;... 499817;1392262692;herbijudlestoids;http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/how-the-cia-turned-american-literature-into-a-content-farm 499818;1392262696;ozbot;The CIA Helped Build the Content Farm That Churns Out American Literature | Motherboard 499819;1392262697;BingoBoingo;I heard Hemmingway liked Abercrombie and Fitch 499820;1392262714;herbijudlestoids;not specifically him but yea 499821;1392262737;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids the point in quesiton is "throw away the first chapter of your novel" 499822;1392262777;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56 BTC [+] 499823;1392262802;herbijudlestoids;in reference to the current bitcoin "reference implementation"? 499824;1392262816;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Also throw away the last 2/3rds 499825;1392262827;mircea_popescu;and the middle. 499826;1392262842;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids nah, idle. 499827;1392262851;herbijudlestoids;kk 499828;1392262852;mike_c;no doubt. we need bitcoin 2.0. same math, new code. 499829;1392262885;pankkake;what about the Go implementation? 499830;1392262888;mike_c;who has nothing to do the rest of the year? 499831;1392262895;BingoBoingo;mike_c: How good are you at K&R C? 499832;1392262906;mircea_popescu;mike_c life. 499833;1392262958;herbijudlestoids;i was under the impression that the existing implmentation was pretty well coded (at least from a security perspective) but it seems like most on here disagree 499834;1392262977;herbijudlestoids;for if it was good we would not be having this discussion 499835;1392263005;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids the original stuff was poorly written by one unexperienced coder with a lot of system design experience. 499836;1392263019;mircea_popescu;it has since been "fixed" in the hands of mediocre coders with no system design comprehension whatsoever. 499837;1392263032;mircea_popescu;the resultant mess is unusable past about 0.6.x or thereabouts, for these reasons. 499838;1392263038;pankkake;the initial code was horrible, couldn't get it to compile, full of wxwindows crap where there shouldn't be. stayed away :/ 499839;1392263059;pankkake;just having bitcoind with no GUI code was than achievement 499840;1392263061;herbijudlestoids;and we are at 0.8.6.x now? what do you mean by unusable? 499841;1392263090;herbijudlestoids;from a development perspective? as in unusable to modify/update the code? 499842;1392263099;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Do you play chess? 499843;1392263107;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: i play chees poorly. 499844;1392263112;herbijudlestoids;s/chees/chess 499845;1392263124;herbijudlestoids;but i really enjoy playing 499846;1392263144;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Do you know Algebraic notation well enough to play in text? 499847;1392263152;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids what is customarily meant by unusable. "which can't be used for its intended purpose" 499848;1392263181;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: been a while with algebraic notation but moderately confident i could pick it up quickly enough for such purpose 499849;1392263208;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo has been looking for someone to beat ever since truffles ran off 499850;1392263220;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: so the bitcoind/bitcoin-qt implementation cannot be used for its intended purpose of sending/receiving/storing bitcoin blockchain whatevers 499851;1392263257;mircea_popescu;SAFELY and etc. 499852;1392263265;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0030001 = 0.15 BTC [+] 499853;1392263295;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: not sure i understand still, possibly retard serum levels still too high, but if its not secure or whatever, how come im not haxing into your walletz right now 499854;1392263298;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: As far as the tournament you spec'd goes my only credited loss is to namworld. 499855;1392263324;BingoBoingo;Twas on the night I almost finished a handle of Vodka 499856;1392263344;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Do you have a favored color? 499857;1392263370;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: not particularly...is this one of those trick questions where you psychologically evluate my expertise as a player with a simple one liner? 499858;1392263383;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Davout is also been asking if he can get a late entry into the round robin. 499859;1392263423;pankkake;herbijudlestoids: that seems like a typical BingoBoingo trick yes 499860;1392263424;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: No. You just said you play poorly so taking you at face value I want to know if you have a stronger color, which might make the game more interesting. 499861;1392263463;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I just hate games like when truffles annoyed me into playing him while I was sober. 499862;1392263504;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: sorry dude i am just recovering from some illness and about to go full pelt into a bunch of work related things as we are growing rapidly now...you want someone with more free time :) 499863;1392263523;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: How about pick head or tails? 499864;1392263524;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids for the same reason you're not fucking all the floozies in your town right now. 499865;1392263525;herbijudlestoids;i have a friend who may be interested, he loves teh chezz, online etc...dunno about text based but i assume he would be into it 499866;1392263547;BingoBoingo;;;coin 499867;1392263547;gribble;tails 499868;1392263567;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: im not hacking into your wallet because i feel drained and empty whenever i hear it talk? 499869;1392263579;mircea_popescu;i guess you're not man enough for it. 499870;1392263595;herbijudlestoids;maybe. just trying to understand your "unusable" comment. 499871;1392263601;BingoBoingo;Ok, anyone who isn't a scaredy cat OZ pussy interest in playing/ 499872;1392263640;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids right. 499873;1392263661;herbijudlestoids;would any of you sirs be interested in purchasing a small amount of ATC off me, for the sole purpose of increasing my WoT rating from 0? 499874;1392263673;mircea_popescu;it's wonderbread. i wouldn't use it and i don't agree it's bread. you could say this is me being elitist, you could devise some tests of breadess wonderbread passes 499875;1392263685;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids how much ? 499876;1392263701;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I might be willing to sell ATC at the right price, but my drunk ass isn't buying. 499877;1392263710;herbijudlestoids;i have 56 of them which are mature enough to transfer 499878;1392263723;herbijudlestoids;sell for the midpoint between bid/ask on openex 499879;1392263751;herbijudlestoids;not really looking for anything except as a mechanism to get into WoT usefully 499880;1392263754;BingoBoingo;ATC hasn't traded at the midpoint on Openex though. It has traded at the asks 499881;1392263780;herbijudlestoids;dude we are talking 56 of them, not 5,600,000 499882;1392263815;benkay;mike_c: are you satisfied with the only truly unambiguous definition of a computation is the 499883;1392263818;benkay;computation itself. 499884;1392263825;benkay;? 499885;1392263837;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: And we are talking pricing. Unless you do like the candy shop and package the atc with a teddy bear, there is no room for a premium to be demanded. 499886;1392263861;herbijudlestoids;ok...whatever...ill take the ask, i dont really care about the price 499887;1392263865;BingoBoingo;benkay: You ever play chess. I think you could beat me soundly 499888;1392263873;herbijudlestoids;we are quibbling over an infitesimaly small amount of value 499889;1392263888;benkay;hell no 499890;1392263896;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: No, we are discussing constraints of the system. 499891;1392263903;mircea_popescu;56 ?! cmon, i can't make a tx that small. 499892;1392263905;benkay;BingoBoingo ^^ 499893;1392263914;mike_c;benkay: yes, i was just saying it is insufficient. it describes the process, but does not help you extend it or use it because you don't know any of the rationale. we worked the point over pretty good about an hour ago :) 499894;1392263930;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: wut? all i am trying to do is establish some WoT creds 499895;1392263936;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1143 @ 0.00012401 = 0.1417 BTC [-] 499896;1392263937;herbijudlestoids;since you guys all love the fucken WoT 499897;1392263946;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Then maybe trade something other than an altcoin? 499898;1392263961;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo he's not a virgin, so there's the end of that. 499899;1392263983;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: and how the f am i supposed to sell other shit on -otc without a WoT rating? 499900;1392263987;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I didn't think anyone on this channel was a virgin 499901;1392264002;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Well, you have any MPOE? 499902;1392264010;BingoBoingo;Any S.NSA or S.BBET? 499903;1392264050;mircea_popescu;he has some mpoe graphs... 499904;1392264054;herbijudlestoids;so the answer is no. nobody is willing to purchase a small amount of ATC off me for the purpose of establishing my trust on WoT 499905;1392264064;KRS-One;haha 499906;1392264066;herbijudlestoids;i couldve just taken a no :) 499907;1392264068;mike_c;s.nsa went cheap today. somebody got a great deal. 499908;1392264072;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids listen, a 5k satoshi tx is like... impossible to even propagate. 499909;1392264074;mircea_popescu;you'll need moar. 499910;1392264087;mircea_popescu;$vwap s.nsa 499911;1392264088;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: S.NSA 1 day: average: 0.0001056 high: 0.000107 low: 0.000105 volume: 54348 btc: 5.739064 7 day: average: 0.00010598 high: 0.000159 low: 0.000105 volume: 74350 btc: 7.879382 30 day: average: 0.00012212 high: 0.00017 low: 0.000105 volume: 99420 btc: 12.141282 499912;1392264104;BingoBoingo;After the time it takes to withdraw 27500 ATC from Openex I'd be willing to sell it for the same 645 satoshi bid I have nao. 499913;1392264131;mircea_popescu;ahaha 645 srsly ?! 499914;1392264132;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: You forget the part where you could buy the ATC 499915;1392264162;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: There is barely anything stoping 645 from happening 499916;1392264180;moiety;hihi :) 499917;1392264184;KRS-One;of course becase there isnt any demand or volume 499918;1392264190;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: There'a actually barely anything on the book preventing 10,000 satoshis as well though 499919;1392264195;KRS-One;I could put my dick out there and gt a few bucks for it 499920;1392264211;mircea_popescu;i was gonna buy moar but 650 satoshi... 499921;1392264224;coingenuity;sup mircea_popescu 499922;1392264237;mike_c;10k blocks of ATC have sold for 500 satoshi 499923;1392264240;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: This offer isn't for you then. I wrote it for the Dogers. 499924;1392264240;mircea_popescu;coingenuity same old. 499925;1392264251;coingenuity;i feel ya 499926;1392264259;mircea_popescu;i guess ima wait for the atc0x hack then 499927;1392264261;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: ok is there some minimum youd consider? i have more but in immature blocks. willing to wait 499928;1392264282;BingoBoingo;coingenuity: Can you get a quote on 10 oz libertads to retile my bathroom yet?> 499929;1392264285;mike_c;herbijudlestoids: go find sturles. he sells small amounts of btc to help people establish wot. 499930;1392264287;mircea_popescu;what's the minimum dust atm ? 54300 ? 499931;1392264294;moiety;i are having stupid question moment. halps? 499932;1392264299;benkay;mike_c: using and extending the protocol is a non-starter right now. first we need a rock-solid, well-defined thing. 499933;1392264300;coingenuity;BingoBoingo: mexico is all fucked up, libertads are a pain to get 499934;1392264301;mircea_popescu;moiety shoot 499935;1392264328;mircea_popescu;benkay totally nobody;s using it. 499936;1392264356;moiety;you know I'm still mining my vanitygen and it's at 96.7%... can i still use my cmd window for something else while it's doing that? (sorry i know it's probably glaringly obvious) 499937;1392264369;benkay;moiety: why not spin up a new cmd window? 499938;1392264370;herbijudlestoids;moiety: win or lin? 499939;1392264371;BingoBoingo;moiety: Windows? 499940;1392264373;mircea_popescu;yes you may. 499941;1392264384;moiety;omg you can get multiple cmds? i love this thing more every day 499942;1392264387;mircea_popescu;terrible fucken bad luck, 97% ?! 499943;1392264393;BingoBoingo;moiety: I thought you moved past Windows. 499944;1392264398;moiety;thank you all and apologies again, i'm learning 499945;1392264404;mircea_popescu;moiety you know... you can open a new cmd window 499946;1392264406;moiety;no, never got to linuxing 499947;1392264418;mircea_popescu;even windows isn't apple. 499948;1392264420;moiety;i only just found ctrl alt shift! 499949;1392264436;herbijudlestoids;moiety: Start => Run => type "cmd", hit enter 499950;1392264445;mircea_popescu;ctrl-alt-tit should be a shocker then. 499951;1392264450;BingoBoingo;moiety: I feel lied to. You told me months ago you were linuxing. Back when you adopted smuxi as your IRC client 499952;1392264461;mike_c;benkay: yes, i just don't think a reference implementation counts as well defined. so TCP_KEEPALIVE is set to 100. why? was that picked intellignetly, randomly, or it doesn't really fking matter? you don't know from implementation. 499953;1392264472;asciilifeform;probabilistic algo. also quite possible that it will never converge (i.e. nothing useful hashes to fooXXXX... where foo is the vanity string) 499954;1392264493;moiety;i am still at the same position as that day BingoBoingo. I can still see the linux CDs on top of my pc. I just never used them yet 499955;1392264524;moiety;and i tried to get bitchx to work talking of irc but really failed with that. 499956;1392264526;BingoBoingo;moiety: If that is the case just skip linux and go to a BSD or Gentoo 499957;1392264534;herbijudlestoids;people still use bitchx? 499958;1392264537;moiety;check me oot with ma two wee cmds! 499959;1392264552;moiety;well, i had been wondering about bsd 499960;1392264557;mircea_popescu;what was the cmd bomb for windows ? 499961;1392264568;herbijudlestoids;cmd bomb? 499962;1392264576;asciilifeform;he probably meant fork bomb 499963;1392264578;coingenuity;mircea_popescu: there's a lot of them 499964;1392264587;mircea_popescu;yeah 499965;1392264603;asciilifeform;http://www.c-integration.com/blog/showpost.php/82-windows-fork-bomb-crash-windows-in-5-seconds 499966;1392264604;moiety;c'mon you just gave me the way to two, lets not blow them up mircea_popescu 499967;1392264604;asciilifeform;etc 499968;1392264610;BingoBoingo;moiety: BSD isn't too different. If you take that route O'Reilley has a minature verion of their sysadmin essentials book which would be valuable. 499969;1392264614;mircea_popescu;ty 499970;1392264627;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: You ever play chess? 499971;1392264636;asciilifeform;on occasion. 499972;1392264643;asciilifeform;i'm one of those bozos who 'graduated' to Go. 499973;1392264655;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: You at all familiar with algebraic notation? 499974;1392264660;asciilifeform;certainly. 499975;1392264666;moiety;has anyone tried chess 2? 499976;1392264667;BingoBoingo;I could use a loss 499977;1392264673;moiety;play me then BingoBoingo 499978;1392264676;asciilifeform;can't guarantee a loss 499979;1392264705;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: can you play me and moiety in a simul or how do we split this demand? 499980;1392264721;asciilifeform;i'll take a raincheck. about to fall asleep. 499981;1392264722;BingoBoingo;moiety: Heads or tails? 499982;1392264730;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Works for me. 499983;1392264733;mircea_popescu;tails. 499984;1392264738;BingoBoingo;;;coin 499985;1392264739;gribble;tails 499986;1392264744;pankkake;WHAT https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459028.0 499987;1392264782;mircea_popescu;pankkake scam 499988;1392264783;moiety;hahaha i love gribble more every day 499989;1392264794;BingoBoingo;pankkake: Troll the imposter coin. 499990;1392264801;moiety;i really can't play very well BingoBoingo 499991;1392264808;asciilifeform;pankkake: what's with the obligatory faux-gold-coin pics, anyway 499992;1392264821;asciilifeform;no crapartist seems to resist those 499993;1392264827;BingoBoingo;moiety: Fuck it, I'm drunk. Not lose to namworld drunk, but kind of drunk. 499994;1392264858;herbijudlestoids;i really dont understand what everyone seems to think the value of ASIC proofing a network is 499995;1392264859;moiety;you're always drunk. you'll get a quick win! 499996;1392264859;mircea_popescu;cause gold is valuable. 499997;1392264867;moiety;unless its on a crackhead 499998;1392264870;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids welcome to the club. 499999;1392264881;mircea_popescu;i've not understood it a year and a half later. 500000;1392264890;herbijudlestoids;its like being proud that any small actor with $5million can destroy your coin 500001;1392264894;herbijudlestoids;gg 500002;1392264896;pankkake;it's actually worse, being asic proof makes you vulnerable to botnets, supercomputers, clouds, anything you can rent for CHEAP 500003;1392264899;BingoBoingo;moiety: White or black 500004;1392264906;herbijudlestoids;pankkake: yea exactly. 500005;1392264908;mircea_popescu;"Now that Bitcoin computational power is handled almost entirely by large data centers, the currency has rapidly changed from a distributed, decentralized currency, to one that is much more centralized and vulnerable. Companies such as Cex.io are routinely hitting 40% PoW computational power on a daily basis, and will soon be able to perform 51% attacks at will, if they so choose." 500006;1392264910;moiety;either you choose 500007;1392264920;mircea_popescu;derp. wasn't it btcguild that had 40%ish back in feb 2013 ? 500008;1392264935;BingoBoingo;moiety: How about heads or tails (knowing I'd prefer black) 500009;1392264935;pankkake;I remember when deepbit was the big bad 500010;1392264935;asciilifeform;the essence is, some people have a fundamental but unspoken disagreement with the basic premise behind mining. 500011;1392264945;asciilifeform;i.e. they want to parcel out new coin to warm bodies 500012;1392264950;asciilifeform;or their phriends 500013;1392264956;herbijudlestoids;asciilifeform: i think its stupider than that 500014;1392264962;herbijudlestoids;they feel that ASICS are "unfair" 500015;1392264968;herbijudlestoids;and that anyone should be able to mine some coins 500016;1392264972;mircea_popescu; the essence is, some people have a fundamental but unspoken disagreement with the basic premise behind mining. <<< exactly. 500017;1392264973;asciilifeform;that's precisely the thing. warm body rights. 500018;1392264973;BingoBoingo;phriends, are people still making blue boxes? 500019;1392264989;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: no they dont work anymore 500020;1392264990;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is constantly being colonised by people who have fundamental but unverbalised disagreements with its fundamental principles. 500021;1392265001;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: they would if they could. 500022;1392265032;asciilifeform;not so much colonized as dropped straight into their hands at birth, and slowly wrestled out, with partial success so far 500023;1392265035;herbijudlestoids;i dont think any phone system has in band signalling since the early 90s, even in oz 500024;1392265035;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The old GTE payphone Verizon hasn't killed yet may still be vulnerable. 500025;1392265044;moiety;i'll be white bingo :) 500026;1392265054;BingoBoingo;moiety: K, it is your move. 500027;1392265068;asciilifeform;"Bitcoin interests me as an obvious example of a technological jewel tossed around aimlessly by the brutal hands of cave men. I cant help but picture a flashlight or a radio set, left behind in the wilderness by geologists, to be picked up later by some Stone Age aboriginals; to be fought over and worshiped. Until the batteries run out. But the batteries have not yet run out!" -- old turd of mine 500028;1392265083;mircea_popescu;| 33554432 | 4 GB | 22864142697 | Sun, 15 Jul 2694 06:44:57 GMT | | 500029;1392265086;mircea_popescu;ahahaha EPIC shit. 500030;1392265095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5676 @ 0.00086964 = 4.9361 BTC [-] {2} 500031;1392265095;BingoBoingo;"The Gods Must be Crazy" 500032;1392265100;mircea_popescu;check it out, they decided 4gb should be enough for everyone on sunday 2694 500033;1392265108;herbijudlestoids;glegh 500034;1392265155;pankkake;if you don't have 4gb in 2014 I feel for you 500035;1392265158;moiety;i'm the colour of milk naturally. ok, give me a sec, gonna have to find a board to see 500036;1392265161;asciilifeform;eh, the way earthlings roll, that's several 'Year Zero's away. 500037;1392265207;herbijudlestoids;moiety: http://www.mark-weeks.com/aboutcom/images/ble21alg.gif 500038;1392265225;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: some ex-soviet badlands still use exchanges with mechanical Strowger switches. and in-band. bluebox there. 500039;1392265288;moiety;aw yiss, thank you herbi :D 500040;1392265370;mircea_popescu;pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459028.msg5107020#msg5107020 500041;1392265373;mircea_popescu;"Sorry about that. I was doing some work on the server and accidentally killed the stratum." 500042;1392265384;mircea_popescu;clearly this coin is the solution to all centralisation troubles. 500043;1392265404;pankkake;fake altcoin has feature "Auto connect to ALTCOIN network without config" 500044;1392265404;asciilifeform;still waiting for the first altturd called 'bitcoin'. 500045;1392265411;pankkake;basically, properly configured seed nodes 500046;1392265414;asciilifeform;i mean, if we're going to collide names... 500047;1392265420;pankkake;altcoins expectations are low 500048;1392265421;mircea_popescu;https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs14.directupload.net%2Fimages%2F140212%2Ffjnk6mru.png&t=537&c=OROVgYkaPEIyYg 500049;1392265425;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Several alt-turds have been called Bitcoin 500050;1392265451;asciilifeform;beautiful. now all they need is a media loudspeaker 500051;1392265453;mircea_popescu;. Dropshadows lift the type off the page as if they are 3D. 500052;1392265467;asciilifeform;'The True Bitcoin, Discovered!1!!' 500053;1392265483;mircea_popescu;The Turd Bitcoin 500054;1392265486;mircea_popescu;(accidental typo) 500055;1392265505;mircea_popescu;Dev, correct start page, 500056;1392265505;mircea_popescu;4294967296 is 2^32, not 2^36 500057;1392265505;mircea_popescu;2^36 = 68,719,476,736 500058;1392265505;mircea_popescu;So could you specify again, how many coins total ? 500059;1392265505;mircea_popescu;Sorry for the little error, I changed it to 2^32, total number is 4294967296. 500060;1392265510;mircea_popescu;this shit's pretty good 500061;1392265521;mircea_popescu;the little error is well... some billions. 500062;1392265553;asciilifeform;that must be one fellow who never read the chessboard-rice tale as a boy. 500063;1392265576;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform either that or a fellow lieing about the eventual volume 500064;1392265577;asciilifeform;(vizier promises to put one grain on a square, two on the next, four...) 500065;1392265588;mircea_popescu;too lazy to discern if naively stupid or interestedly stupid 500066;1392265611;herbijudlestoids;i have been trolling the shit out of bitcloud 500067;1392265621;mircea_popescu;anyway, kinda funny that the alt was the true altcoin before there were fake altcoins 500068;1392265626;moiety;BingoBoingo: h2 to h3 please 500069;1392265633;BingoBoingo;K, d7-d6 500070;1392265650;herbijudlestoids;what im hoping is that i convince everyone interested in bitcloud to contribute to freenet instead 500071;1392265662;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids yeah. that'll work. 500072;1392265670;BingoBoingo;freenet? maori like failnet. 500073;1392265683;mircea_popescu;link some examples of trollage to shit will you 500074;1392265686;moiety;BingoBoingo: b2 to b3 500075;1392265689;BingoBoingo;Cause Whales of fail. 500076;1392265700;BingoBoingo;Nf6 500077;1392265710;asciilifeform;herbijudlestoids: there are rational arguments against 'asicability' that don't reduce to 'one meat puppet, one vote damnit' 500078;1392265712;pankkake;did bitcloud produce any code? 500079;1392265725;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: well unfortunately i didnt keep logs of my efforts in the irc chan, but here is the reddit thread i started for lulz www.reddit.com/r/bitcloud/comments/1xlwp5/bitcloud_prefers_hype_to_work/ 500080;1392265738;asciilifeform;asics make it hard to flee to a new workfunction if the old one is somehow borked. 500081;1392265747;asciilifeform;(i.e. serious mathematical advance) 500082;1392265751;herbijudlestoids;asciilifeform: certainly i dont disagree with your statement sir however i doubt any who are proponents of these anti ASCI coins are thinking that 500083;1392265756;mircea_popescu;i can't believe the canonical windoze fork bomb uses goto. 500084;1392265757;herbijudlestoids;s/ASCI/ASIC 500085;1392265776;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Of course it does, becaue Fortran 500086;1392265777;mircea_popescu;learn to keep logs they be important 500087;1392265781;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: tricky to forkbomb where you haven't a 'fork'! 500088;1392265812;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform or even a "for i 0 to process count do launch this process" 500089;1392265834;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: i am willing to listen to your opinion on why freenet is failnet. 500090;1392265845;mircea_popescu;epic. 500091;1392265849;pankkake;java :( 500092;1392265865;pankkake;actually, it's mostly usuability issues 500093;1392265871;BingoBoingo;Maybe in detail when this game is over? herbijudlestoids 500094;1392265875;pankkake;0530 pankkake> java :( 500095;1392265875;pankkake;0531 pankkake> actually, it's mostly usuability issues 500096;1392265885;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: sure :) 500097;1392265889;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9799 @ 0.00087086 = 8.5336 BTC [+] 500098;1392265893;herbijudlestoids;pankkake: and when was the last time you used it? 500099;1392265903;pankkake;2 years ago I think 500100;1392265906;herbijudlestoids;lel 500101;1392265916;pankkake;I really like the darknet/opennet approach 500102;1392265920;moiety;BingoBoingo: c2 - c3 500103;1392265927;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids are all the commenters your socks ? 500104;1392265930;herbijudlestoids;try it out then, lots of recent improvements 500105;1392265936;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: they certainly are not. i am triplecheesecheese. 500106;1392265944;mircea_popescu;holy shit then there's no trolling there 500107;1392265949;mircea_popescu;everyone agrees the thing is ridiculous 500108;1392265959;herbijudlestoids;well, except Javier the douchenozzle 500109;1392265987;herbijudlestoids;i really feel like he is the kind of guy i could wake up in the morning and troll 500110;1392265990;herbijudlestoids;troll him all day 500111;1392266005;BingoBoingo;moiety: g6 500112;1392266007;herbijudlestoids;then go home and hang up my hat feeling satisfied that id done something meaningful with my life 500113;1392266017;pankkake;herbijudlestoids: you're worse than me! 500114;1392266025;mircea_popescu;trolling idiots is meaningful now ? 500115;1392266038;mircea_popescu;why, because we subscribe to the theory that idiots are people too, just like us ? 500116;1392266072;herbijudlestoids;nah, but he is out there, and any disruptions i can cause to his presence on the internet is an automatic gain to the rest of internetdom 500117;1392266099;herbijudlestoids;if he spends an hour writing a response to my complaints its an hour he cant spend otherwise 500118;1392266112;pankkake;but how much time does that cost you? 500119;1392266131;mircea_popescu;so ddosing idiots now. 500120;1392266142;asciilifeform;'...but the pig will enjoy it.' 500121;1392266146;herbijudlestoids;not all the idiots 500122;1392266150;herbijudlestoids;just the ones that really get my grill 500123;1392266173;herbijudlestoids;anyway im done, i dont know if theres much more i can do 500124;1392266182;herbijudlestoids;he already unsubscribed me from the mailing list :P 500125;1392266203;herbijudlestoids;although if i catch kyle_torpey in here again i might be tempted to /query him 500126;1392266223;pankkake;I'm tired of all the nonprojects 500127;1392266230;pankkake;since diaspora 500128;1392266243;nubbins`;have i complained about the client who wants organic tank tops? 500129;1392266254;pankkake;don't think so 500130;1392266257;BingoBoingo;diaspora was the worst. Inquisition was better 500131;1392266261;mircea_popescu;yeah eyah you did 500132;1392266268;herbijudlestoids;pankkake: yea i feel it. there is lots of abandonware out there...some even had potential 500133;1392266274;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids you've really been in all the shitholes huh 500134;1392266303;nubbins`;she now wants tote bags printed and they're made out of weed 500135;1392266310;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: for some definitions of shitholes. 500136;1392266319;moiety;bingoboingo: wut 500137;1392266324;mircea_popescu;diaspora meets any. 500138;1392266334;BingoBoingo;moiety: I moved pawn g6 500139;1392266345;nubbins`;^ heh, a challenger approaches! 500140;1392266347;BingoBoingo;Cause I'm fly like a g6 500141;1392266367;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: after the initial hype, i did some trolling and ignored it. forgot about it. but then, they subscribed me to the mailing list...somehow, i dunno even know how they got my email address. maybe i accidentally entered it somewhere bitcloud related. but i figured since they invited me to the discussion, i would make my viewpoint heard on their mailing list, reddit, irc, etc 500142;1392266406;mircea_popescu;sounds sensible. 500143;1392266420;BingoBoingo;They nevar did that to me. 500144;1392266450;BingoBoingo;Avoiding OS grifter spam == playing dumb 500145;1392266458;herbijudlestoids;pankkake: but some projects are still projects even though they had huge risk of becoming nonprojects. like freenet! and i2p! 500146;1392266482;herbijudlestoids;im grateful for that 500147;1392266483;BingoBoingo;Tor has nothing on turtle routing 500148;1392266515;pankkake;when I mentionned diaspora I meant projects that got hype despite being lead by people unqualified for the task, and ignoring the existing solutions 500149;1392266523;BingoBoingo;lol 500150;1392266536;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: how is turtle F2F different from retroshare...which uses mircea_popescu favorite GPG 500151;1392266559;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: admittedly cool that was developed by tanenbaum 500152;1392266562;pankkake;is the turtle on elephants? 500153;1392266587;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Why I don't use either seems like decent IT homework reading 500154;1392266610;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: ill hassle you once your match with moiety and asciilifeform are over :) 500155;1392266615;BingoBoingo;pankkake: No, it is turtles all of the way down, like iran 500156;1392266619;herbijudlestoids;and maybe try and catch you slightly more sober 500157;1392266653;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform is tired and moiety is looking to answer 3. c3 g6 500158;1392266676;herbijudlestoids;anyway chaps, im going to lie down and try and recuperate. behave yourselves 500159;1392266696;moiety;just carry on 500160;1392266702;herbijudlestoids;this place is one of the more intellectually stimulating corners of the internet and i have become tired 500161;1392266703;BingoBoingo;moiety: Your move 500162;1392266712;moiety;it's ok, play with herbi, it will be a bettergame 500163;1392266723;BingoBoingo;moiety: He's sleeping too 500164;1392266735;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: devise, then... elephant routing. i'm off to bed. 500165;1392266745;herbijudlestoids;moiety: if you dont finish the match we will never hear the end of it. i can wait to hassle bingo about my retardedness :) 500166;1392266745;BingoBoingo;ANd he's an aussie. I gues Crocodile dundee was a myth 500167;1392266779;moiety;f2-f3 500168;1392266790;moiety;aaaaaaand did double take there at dundee lol 500169;1392266791;BingoBoingo;Bg7 500170;1392266841;BingoBoingo;Elephant routing == transmit messages through error reports to Netflix 500171;1392266864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00086848 = 31.0916 BTC [-] {3} 500172;1392266908;moiety;h3-h4 500173;1392266920;BingoBoingo;0-0 500174;1392266922;moiety;i have no idea what the board looks like 500175;1392266941;BingoBoingo;moiety: I though you had a gif or soemthing 500176;1392266944;nubbins`;ha 500177;1392266953;moiety;what even is 0? 500178;1392266966;moiety;m using herbis picture in paint 500179;1392266975;moiety;and a chess site 500180;1392266984;moiety;for what the pieces are and where they begin 500181;1392267013;moiety;ive never played without a board, im sorry 500182;1392267040;nubbins`;https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50842076/chess2.svg 500183;1392267044;nubbins`;^ svg board and pieces 500184;1392267049;nubbins`;open w/ inkscape 500185;1392267081;herbijudlestoids;lel. moiety i think 0-0 is an emoticon ;) 500186;1392267103;moiety;oh lol thanks herbi 500187;1392267117;moiety;i don't think bingo can type from hitting his forehead of the desk rightnow 500188;1392267140;moiety;i have that effect a lot 500189;1392267173;BingoBoingo;moiety: Try putting the moves in http://htmlchess.sourceforge.net/demo/example.html 500190;1392267212;BingoBoingo;0-0 is castle kingside 500191;1392267247;BingoBoingo;1. h3 d6 500192;1392267251;moiety;it puts in your moves too though 500193;1392267255;moiety;like guesses 500194;1392267264;BingoBoingo;2. b3 Nf6 500195;1392267264;moiety;i'll stick to drawing it out 500196;1392267277;mircea_popescu;0-0 is the short castling ye ninnies 500197;1392267282;BingoBoingo;3. c3 g6 500198;1392267291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00087086 = 8.7957 BTC [+] 500199;1392267304;moiety;b3-b4 please! 500200;1392267324;BingoBoingo;c5 500201;1392267337;mircea_popescu;Work on the Diaspora software began in May 2010. Finn Brunton, a teacher and digital media researcher at New York University, described their method as "a return of the classic geek means of production: pizza and ramen and guys sleeping under the desks because it is something that it is really exciting and challenging." A developer preview was released on September 15 and received criticism for various security bugs 500202;1392267367;mircea_popescu;fucking greek means of production based on italian fisherman dishes as implemented by american kids who sleep under desks in offices because even that's more interesting than their social life. 500203;1392267395;moiety;bingo but i thought castles could only move to the corners, you dont have a free corner 500204;1392267452;BingoBoingo;moiety: Castling is moving the king two spaces horizontally and then the rook cuddles it 500205;1392267472;moiety;oh fck sorry 500206;1392267485;BingoBoingo;moiety: Collect the moves so far and put them in http://htmlchess.sourceforge.net/demo/example.html 500207;1392267527;BingoBoingo;And my Rooks are big, cuddly, and black just like Micheal Sam. 500208;1392267570;pankkake;pizza and ramen are not paleo, how can you code on that 500209;1392267582;BingoBoingo;4. f3 Bg7 500210;1392267593;BingoBoingo;5. h4 0-0 500211;1392267681;BingoBoingo;6. b4 c5 500212;1392267745;BingoBoingo;I think we are caught up to the current state of the game, moiety does this look right? 500213;1392267765;BingoBoingo;pankkake: Maybe paleo is wrong? 500214;1392267780;moiety;be3 500215;1392267790;moiety;fuck knows 500216;1392267823;BingoBoingo;moiety: I dunno how one of your bishops get to e3 500217;1392267866;moiety;ok 500218;1392267870;moiety;retract 500219;1392267872;BingoBoingo;Bc1-e3 right now seems blocked by your pawn at d3 500220;1392267874;BingoBoingo;*d2 500221;1392267881;moiety;i told you you should play with herbi 500222;1392267886;BingoBoingo;pawn at d2 blocks 500223;1392267908;BingoBoingo;moiety: Last time I played an aussie it was Vexual. That game was not pretty. 500224;1392267946;moiety;are they really good or really bad you mean? 500225;1392267953;bloctoc;has etheream been discussed in here yet? 500226;1392267962;bloctoc;ethereum 500227;1392267970;BingoBoingo;bloctoc: If by discussed you mean laughed at 500228;1392267974;moiety;i love chess and i would like to get better, i just didn't realise you meant playing so manually, it's above my station 500229;1392267979;jcpham;isn't that what they were growing on the ice planet hoth? 500230;1392268009;BingoBoingo;moiety: Well, get caught up on a board or board like website. 500231;1392268024;moiety;a2-a3 500232;1392268040;BingoBoingo;moiety: But yes, basically the is playing off of the minimum necessary information. 500233;1392268041;bitcoinpete;I must've heard the high praises of ethereum 45 times tonight. 500234;1392268053;bitcoinpete;Surpassed only by smart contracts 500235;1392268055;jcpham;fuck chess checkers is for real sophisticates 500236;1392268060;bitcoinpete;Oh, and howdy 500237;1392268063;BingoBoingo;cxb4 500238;1392268101;moiety;im determined, that counts right? 500239;1392268114;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: How many dicks could a dickchuck suck if a dickchuck could suck dick? 500240;1392268121;BingoBoingo;moiety: Sure 500241;1392268136;bloctoc;bitcoinpete where was that? 500242;1392268168;moiety;lolololol @ twister 500243;1392268169;jcpham;mircea_popescu this channel has AIDS or something 500244;1392268175;bitcoinpete;at our meet-up, or "meet-up", 500245;1392268175;bitcoinpete;at our meet-up, or "meet-up", 500246;1392268187;jcpham;next they'll be planning meet ups 500247;1392268200;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Meet up in which region? 500248;1392268209;herbijudlestoids;bloctoc: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2014&bots=true#444028 500249;1392268220;BingoBoingo;Springfield Missouri with Active Miner Ken? 500250;1392268247;moiety;nd3 500251;1392268248;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: Thankfully not. In Canada. 500252;1392268270;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Then smoke a bowl with nubbins' and relax 500253;1392268304;BingoBoingo;moiety: Knights dun move that diretion... 500254;1392268312;moiety;you are such a good hostess after a few vodkas 500255;1392268316;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: My skepticism was confusing to most of them 500256;1392268321;moiety;i thought they went L, is that bishops 500257;1392268352;BingoBoingo;moiety: They do move in an L, but only that one size of L. 500258;1392268404;moiety;ive been taught it wrong then. i have been trying to move c1 to d3. 500259;1392268425;BingoBoingo;The L moiety is defined such that your knight at b1 could move to a3, c3, or d2 500260;1392268447;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: Though I was able to show one that the vagaries of language are to contracts what kraft is to dinner 500261;1392268447;BingoBoingo;moiety: The piece you should have on c1 is a Bishop 500262;1392268464;herbijudlestoids;i feel like this is the best chess game ever 500263;1392268467;moiety;aw fuck i see whati got wrong 500264;1392268473;moiety;lol herbi! 500265;1392268478;herbijudlestoids;seriously 500266;1392268489;moiety;you're watching me learn here 500267;1392268490;BingoBoingo;I'm only getting drunker 500268;1392268490;bitcoinpete;I quite like that there's a chess game going on. Haven't noticed one before when reading the logs 500269;1392268508;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: They happen sporadically 500270;1392268511;moiety;as long as you aren't getting more annoyed thats fine 500271;1392268538;BingoBoingo;moiety: As long as you don't press for speed chess like truffles I'm fine 500272;1392268556;bitcoinpete;This is a truly fascinating corner of the net 500273;1392268561;herbijudlestoids;moiety: whats that saying..."never argue with an idiot, theyll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" ...i feel like if anyone reasonably tried to match BingoBoingo they would lose...but you are winning at lulz here 500274;1392268564;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: It is indeed 500275;1392268564;moiety;lolol moiety and speed chess in the same sentence 500276;1392268584;moiety;well thats a win in my book herbi! :D 500277;1392268590;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I lose all of the time in chess 500278;1392268602;moiety;not today! 500279;1392268607;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: I've been reading the logs for the last few days after reading Trilema for the last 8-9 months. It's about I made my way here 500280;1392268608;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: I've been reading the logs for the last few days after reading Trilema for the last 8-9 months. It's about I made my way here 500281;1392268629;herbijudlestoids;bitcoinpete: do you know that your client is repeating lines? 500282;1392268636;BingoBoingo;Sweet Bitcoinpete, nice to see someone does the reading 500283;1392268655;moiety;g1-h4 500284;1392268674;BingoBoingo;?g1-h3???? 500285;1392268678;moiety;i'm saving for trilema, i haven't wanted a subscription before 500286;1392268682;moiety;ok ok hang on! 500287;1392268686;BingoBoingo;Those L's only come in one size 500288;1392268688;bitcoinpete;herbijudlestoids: did not… Any client suggestions for mac? 500289;1392268688;bitcoinpete;herbijudlestoids: did not… Any client suggestions for mac? 500290;1392268706;moiety;oh yeah i meant 3 not 4 500291;1392268709;herbijudlestoids;bitcoinpete: what are you using? 500292;1392268717;moiety;i'mbad for hopping extra, sorry 500293;1392268729;BingoBoingo;bxc3 500294;1392268733;herbijudlestoids;i would always recommend irssi, but its personal preference 500295;1392268733;bitcoinpete;herbijudlestoids: Lingo. It was free 500296;1392268733;bitcoinpete;herbijudlestoids: Lingo. It was free 500297;1392268764;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Maybe try a different client? 500298;1392268768;herbijudlestoids;bitcoinpete: try this one http://colloquy.info/ ...or xchat is pretty standard gui 500299;1392268794;BingoBoingo;Xchat is nice 500300;1392268809;MisterE;so they begrudgingly passed a debt ceiling bill 500301;1392268820;moiety;c3 - b4? 500302;1392268840;bitcoinpete;herbijudlestoids: much obliged 500303;1392268845;BingoBoingo;moiety: b4 took c3 500304;1392268854;MisterE;chess? 500305;1392268855;herbijudlestoids;MisterE: lol debt ceiling is a joke, right? considering QE to the tune of 80bn/month atm? 500306;1392268862;moiety;huh, i have a space 500307;1392268877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00087099 = 21.9925 BTC [+] {2} 500308;1392268897;MisterE;herbijudlestoids: yea they could get their shit together and not need to raise it 500309;1392268903;MisterE;plenty of cash flowing in 500310;1392268905;herbijudlestoids;lel no they couldnt 500311;1392268910;MisterE;cur foreign aid and military 500312;1392268930;herbijudlestoids;budget deficit is > trade deficit 500313;1392268932;herbijudlestoids;ergo, QE 500314;1392268936;moiety;a3-a4 500315;1392268948;moiety;damnit i thought i stole a manny there 500316;1392268981;herbijudlestoids;MisterE: the debt is too large to be reasonably be paid back. it will be defaulted on or inflated away (stealth default) or similar. 500317;1392269000;herbijudlestoids;there is no hiding from the mathematics of that fact 500318;1392269002;BingoBoingo;cxd2+ 500319;1392269011;MisterE;what they couldn't do is make the cuts they should / need to make because it would put a bunch of peopl eout of work 500320;1392269035;MisterE;yea thats why they started letting the dollar weaken 500321;1392269043;moiety;i'm back to smuxi, but i would really like to get BitchX going, i just couldn't get it to work 500322;1392269047;herbijudlestoids;MisterE: you do realise that foreign aid in toto, including military stuff, is 1% of the US budget? 500323;1392269059;herbijudlestoids;moiety: irssi > bitchx imo :) 500324;1392269061;BingoBoingo;moiety: Try Xchat with the SASL plugin 500325;1392269080;MisterE;that may be direct foregn cash aid but I doubt that covers military 500326;1392269100;BingoBoingo;moiety: Also cxd2+ 500327;1392269101;moiety;ive got xchat. whinges at me all the time and smuix is cuter. will look up irssi herbi! 500328;1392269108;moiety;ah thanks! 500329;1392269127;herbijudlestoids;MisterE: ....2011 total military and economic assitance 50bn 500330;1392269131;MisterE;well if it is really that small then start whacking away at the defense and DHS / surveillance state budgets 500331;1392269133;moiety;oi no thanks, you took my dude there didnt you 500332;1392269147;MisterE;no way, they send just that much to Israel alone every year 500333;1392269149;BingoBoingo;moiety: Of course 500334;1392269157;MisterE;let alone Egypt, etc. 500335;1392269173;moiety;i'm telling mircea on you 500336;1392269176;mircea_popescu;bloctoc it doesn't seem to be popular. why do you ask ? 500337;1392269182;herbijudlestoids;MisterE: you are mistaken. 500338;1392269194;herbijudlestoids;MisterE: $3bn/annum to israel 500339;1392269199;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete do i know you from twittr ? 500340;1392269200;BingoBoingo;moiety: I'd be more worried if you told kakobrekla 500341;1392269229;MisterE;hmm I wonder how much $3bn could do for schools 500342;1392269240;moiety;why? 500343;1392269253;BingoBoingo;moiety: Because kakobrekla runs assbot 500344;1392269257;herbijudlestoids;MisterE: a lot probably. $3bn is huge in meatspace. dunno if you heard about this http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/12/occupy-wall-street-activists-15m-personal-debt (just 15mn) 500345;1392269264;MisterE;but thats a lot lower than I expected where are you getting numbers from? 500346;1392269265;bitcoinpete;member:mircea_popescu: If you remember me, I'd be flattered :D 500347;1392269277;herbijudlestoids;MisterE: where are *you* getting *your* numbers from? 500348;1392269287;moiety;i haven't really noticed assbot, i saw an ozbot.. and i like gribble a lot! 500349;1392269300;MisterE;I haven't been putting any out heh 500350;1392269315;herbijudlestoids;you said the US sends $50bn a year to israel. 500351;1392269331;bloctoc;just trying to find out if it's the real deal. I like the fact that certain operations get more hard coded over time and high use. It sounds a lot like how neural pathways get created. Other than that, it's pretty much the same group of folks evangelizing today that were evangelizing ripple last year. 500352;1392269333;moiety;bf4 500353;1392269349;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: I kept the same screen name with exactly that in mind 500354;1392269361;moiety;scrap that i dont know where my own men are 500355;1392269383;BingoBoingo;moiety: I'll post a pic 500356;1392269408;mircea_popescu;why's bitcoinpete saying things twice why's bitcoinpete saying things twice 500357;1392269428;moiety;f1-b5 im sure i can have 500358;1392269429;herbijudlestoids;MisterE: its not that im disagreeing with you on certain issues, but its impotant to have the correct information. 500359;1392269440;MisterE;Since 1974, Israel has received nearly $100 billion in assistance. OK thats less than I thought 500360;1392269444;MisterE;yea 500361;1392269458;herbijudlestoids;for example, because you have incorrect information, you believe the US can fix its problem, whereas i feel the monetary issue in the US has reached escape velocity 500362;1392269472;BingoBoingo;moiety: look at http://imgur.com/XQuzdoi first 500363;1392269481;herbijudlestoids;we now await the return to atmo 500364;1392269483;MisterE;well given the current mindset I agree 500365;1392269499;Mats_cd03;bitcoinpete: irccloud is great 500366;1392269502;MisterE;but we can all tighten our belts and balance our checkbooks if there is a real desire 500367;1392269504;BingoBoingo;moiety: You are in check so addressing that is priority 1 500368;1392269512;MisterE;Americans are too spoiled so will let it all go to hell instead 500369;1392269526;herbijudlestoids;MisterE: *we* have nothing to do with it, when the US Federal Reserve is QEing to the tune of 80bn/month 500370;1392269541;herbijudlestoids;they are printing cash to meet obligations and dumping it on your front lawn. 500371;1392269546;mircea_popescu;http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/12/us-eu-banks-savings-idUSBREA1B1ZI20140212 500372;1392269547;ozbot;Exclusive: EU executive sees personal savings used to plug long-term financing gap 500373;1392269549;mircea_popescu;eu wants to steal pensions too! 500374;1392269556;MisterE;oh that's just the latest face of their printing presses running at full speed 500375;1392269567;MisterE;before QE it was direct cash injections into banks 500376;1392269570;MisterE;etc. 500377;1392269573;herbijudlestoids;... 500378;1392269574;bitcoinpete;Mats_cd03: merci 500379;1392269592;herbijudlestoids;the point is that if everyone tightened their belt it has no relevance if on the other side of the field they are spewing tickets. 500380;1392269598;herbijudlestoids;make sense or not? 500381;1392269616;herbijudlestoids;austerity will not solve this problem 500382;1392269618;mircea_popescu; " pretty much the same group of folks evangelizing today that were evangelizing ripple last year." and therein you have your answer. 500383;1392269630;mircea_popescu;same useless pile of crap, same troop of vultures, same spiel. 500384;1392269633;MisterE;yea it probaby has to go to hell for anything to ever be done about the fed 500385;1392269633;herbijudlestoids;just like putting a freeze on banker salaries does not stop certain banks from being giant black holes for capital 500386;1392269634;BingoBoingo;moiety: Study the board. You are down three pawns. I'm going to the garage to smoke a cigarette. Use these 5-7 minutes to come up with a plan. 500387;1392269640;MisterE;*sigh* humans suck 500388;1392269647;mircea_popescu;except this time they had the sense to stick to altspace and so i couldn't care less 500389;1392269651;KRS-One;i resemble that remark 500390;1392269683;herbijudlestoids;MisterE: hell or not i dunno...we are just talking about the obligations of the US Government otherwise called a dollar. 500391;1392269694;moiety;aww fuck man thats pretty different from mine 500392;1392269696;moiety;http://i.imgur.com/dDMRjAS.png 500393;1392269699;MisterE;which is not worth the paper it's printed on 500394;1392269711;MisterE;backed up by a stack of IOUs 500395;1392269720;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids austerity would in fact have solved the problem, back in FY 2009-2010, while creating ohter problems. 500396;1392269725;mircea_popescu;meanwhile i agree, it's escaped. 500397;1392269725;herbijudlestoids;MisterE: those two statements have *always* been true, at least since 1970s 500398;1392269725;MisterE;actually dollars are rags not paper 500399;1392269735;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: yes sure. 500400;1392269742;MisterE;yea true 500401;1392269748;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: i dont disagree that GFC was a chance to rebalance 500402;1392269752;MisterE;there was a chance in the late 00s 500403;1392269759;moiety;well bloody b1 - d2 for a start bingo lol 500404;1392269806;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids just, there wasn't who to go on tv and say "you can either all starve and your kids can have a country to live in or else we continue derping around and we might as well just go buy the rope now. so i've chosen for you to starve, stfu and eat it with the big spoon" 500405;1392269812;moiety;aw herbi, hes got tons o my bits 500406;1392269839;herbijudlestoids;my feeling is that we will just continue to repeat the current boom/bust cycle until one of the cycles kills the dollar as a global reserve asset and the euro takes over 500407;1392269842;MisterE;mircea_popescu: American's can't handle that 500408;1392269844;BingoBoingo;moiety: I'm still smoking. CHeck the moves so far on this board http://htmlchess.sourceforge.net/demo/example.html 500409;1392269851;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids not one of. this is it. 500410;1392269859;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: highly likely. 500411;1392269862;mircea_popescu;MisterE their problem, cause nobody's askin what you can handle. 500412;1392269871;MisterE;they will be in the street with their guns, serious civil unrest 500413;1392269874;MisterE;they are spoiled 500414;1392269875;herbijudlestoids;i dont want to make predictions in this discussion, leave it to you 500415;1392269875;mircea_popescu;perfect. 500416;1392269882;mircea_popescu;ty ty. 500417;1392269891;MisterE;thats why I left 8-years ago and now live in Asia 500418;1392269894;herbijudlestoids;just trying to put my 2c out there 500419;1392269909;herbijudlestoids;2satoshis even 500420;1392269915;MisterE;heh 500421;1392269933;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids i was gonna say, you dun got 2 bitcents :D 500422;1392269945;herbijudlestoids;butthole, i do, i got just over 2 500423;1392269948;herbijudlestoids;i got 0.02BTC 500424;1392269992;MisterE;I tried to buy $100 of BTC at $5 and the site was all funky I could not figure how to get my money transfered in and so I let it go 500425;1392270000;MisterE;like 2-years ago 500426;1392270000;mircea_popescu;o hey wd! 500427;1392270015;mircea_popescu;btc was 30 2 years ago 500428;1392270026;MisterE;well, whenever it was 5 500429;1392270043;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: BTC was 30 three years ago, but not 2 500430;1392270047;mircea_popescu;fuck me no it wasn't 500431;1392270052;MisterE;^ sounds more right 500432;1392270056;mircea_popescu;whoa how quickly we forget. 500433;1392270060;MisterE;err less wrong 500434;1392270067;MisterE;not us losers :p 500435;1392270071;MisterE;we dont forget 500436;1392270073;mircea_popescu;no, you're right, it was about 5 two years ago 500437;1392270087;BingoBoingo;BTC first hit $31 on the Adrian CHen Silk Road Story. 500438;1392270116;BingoBoingo;And two years ago was $5-11 because GLBSE scam and BTCST scam 500439;1392270154;BingoBoingo;Most of summer 2012 BTC was around 11 until the Pirate default. 500440;1392270164;BingoBoingo;Then it went down to $4 500441;1392270207;bitcoinpete;MisterE: At least you finally bought in. I get a kick out of people who were similarly unwilling to get past the exchange rigamarole and now say it's too expensive. 500442;1392270229;MisterE;pfft the upside is still exponential 500443;1392270240;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: DO you know Paul Graham. 500444;1392270245;MisterE;plus I been buying the dips 500445;1392270253;jcpham;where can i get bitcoins? 500446;1392270259;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: nope 500447;1392270261;jcpham;do i mine them? 500448;1392270267;bitcoinpete;Ha 500449;1392270273;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Shame, know any other VC's? 500450;1392270288;MisterE;If you live in a big city localbitcoins.com 500451;1392270302;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: Not really, never needed to 500452;1392270303;jcpham;i trolling this chat is retarded to me 500453;1392270326;jcpham;i love hearing history lessons fromstrangers 500454;1392270337;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: If you find any I have a standing offer on my blog selling bullshit filering services. 500455;1392270389;jcpham;basically i hang out in these channels to scoop up your free info 500456;1392270407;MisterE;invoice is in the mail jcpham 500457;1392270417;BingoBoingo;lol jcpham that's how I finally made /. 500458;1392270417;herbijudlestoids;jcpham: nobody minds, better you get it here than elsewhere. if it was secret the chan'd be +k and half wouldnt bein here 500459;1392270436;jcpham;i'm just jaded 500460;1392270444;MisterE;actually expanding the community benefits us all 500461;1392270454;mircea_popescu;jcpham just a little trouble coping is all >D 500462;1392270457;herbijudlestoids;i have never met anyone as jaded as the likes of mircea_popescu or BingoBoingo lol 500463;1392270467;mircea_popescu;how am i jaded! 500464;1392270472;MisterE;jaded how? 500465;1392270475;herbijudlestoids;dude you are post jaded 500466;1392270476;BingoBoingo;I wonder that as well. 500467;1392270479;MisterE;lol 500468;1392270481;mircea_popescu;MisterE now do it in a pesci voice 500469;1392270482;MisterE;post-jaded 500470;1392270486;BingoBoingo;I am constantly in a state of wonder 500471;1392270495;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: haha k 500472;1392270495;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids what's you mean by jaded ? 500473;1392270511;jcpham;no fucks were given that day mircea_popescu 500474;1392270513;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: people who have seen enough to be unimpressed 500475;1392270515;jcpham;except every day 500476;1392270534;mircea_popescu;o that. i guess i'm jaded then. 500477;1392270548;jcpham;i've seen every bitcoin scam and they just repeat 500478;1392270549;herbijudlestoids;how do i call urban dictionary? 500479;1392270553;herbijudlestoids;;;urban jaded 500480;1392270553;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: As I can tell the difference is MP has been shot where as I have merely had a shotgun pointed inches from my face 500481;1392270553;gribble;Error: "urban" is not a valid command. 500482;1392270559;BingoBoingo;;;ud jaded 500483;1392270560;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jaded | jaded. The end result of having a steady flow of negative experiences, disappointment, and unfulfillment fed into a person where they get to the point where their ... 500484;1392270561;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: jaded 500485;1392270572;mircea_popescu;that'd be a little different :) 500486;1392270572;BingoBoingo;.bait 500487;1392270574;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8ecuvzL6i1r09wbpo1_500.jpg 500488;1392270592;herbijudlestoids;hmm. i was hoping for a different definition 500489;1392270598;herbijudlestoids;hey yo i got a question about the baits! 500490;1392270603;herbijudlestoids;forgot, thhought of it last night 500491;1392270607;mircea_popescu;o look, she's all laided. 500492;1392270614;herbijudlestoids;why does ozbot not pull from imgur.com/r/gonewild? 500493;1392270621;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: The baits have two cans, add a string and you too can be Gox 500494;1392270645;MisterE;:D 500495;1392270652;bitcoinpete;*sigh* I have a feeling I'm going to be spending more time here. Too early to tell whether that's a good thing but I'm inexplicably drawn in by this circus 500496;1392270664;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: im making my own exchange. with blackjack and hookers. 500497;1392270672;herbijudlestoids;bitcoinpete: tell me about it 500498;1392270679;MisterE;yea bitcoinpete the rest of the BTC channels are lame 500499;1392270690;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: You can just lurk, I mean look at the lsit online. It is the way of most people. IRC nearly demands it. 500500;1392270691;bitcoinpete;never tried the others 500501;1392270703;bitcoinpete;trilema pointed here 500502;1392270712;bitcoinpete;no one else pointed anywhere else so here I am 500503;1392270718;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids hopefully australia has better hookers than what they found in miami 500504;1392270720;BingoBoingo;You can try #bitcoin-otc if you like self induced concussions 500505;1392270729;mircea_popescu;o look, i have a captive audience. 500506;1392270731;MisterE;mircea_popescu: they do but their coke sucks 500507;1392270743;herbijudlestoids;wut MisterE sed 500508;1392270757;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Give East StL a try 500509;1392270759;herbijudlestoids;coke in london is what... $50/g? 500510;1392270761;bitcoinpete;mircea: just like you always dreamed 500511;1392270764;mircea_popescu;til that the sole path for bilirubin elimination is through the uridine diphosphate glucuronosyltransferase isoform 1A1 500512;1392270767;herbijudlestoids;coke in sydney, half the purity of that of london is $300/g 500513;1392270784;MisterE;haha 500514;1392270797;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: you dont research your poop enough 500515;1392270811;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids actually... there's a trilema article on the subject 500516;1392270816;BingoBoingo;I tell you all magnesium citrate is a hell of a way to pass a drug test 500517;1392270825;mircea_popescu;;;google trilema de ce e cacatul maro 500518;1392270826;gribble;Trilenciclopedia pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Martie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: 500519;1392270834;mircea_popescu;literally, inquires and explains why shit's brown 500520;1392270848;bitcoinpete;well whaddya know 500521;1392270860;herbijudlestoids;oh...ok..well i already inquired and got the explanation to that q long ago :) 500522;1392270872;mircea_popescu;im slow. 500523;1392270878;bitcoinpete;I don't remember that from biochem 200 or physl 2xx. 500524;1392270895;MisterE;what language is that site in? 500525;1392270898;bitcoinpete;And my mom didn't teach me romanian... 500526;1392270901;BingoBoingo;I haven't had a bio class since 7th grade. 500527;1392270903;herbijudlestoids;almost at 300ATC :) 500528;1392270905;MisterE;Romanian? 500529;1392270956;mircea_popescu;romanian. 500530;1392271003;herbijudlestoids;;;calc 62700/2621404453 500531;1392271004;gribble;2.39184761925e-05 500532;1392271016;herbijudlestoids;^ current ATC/BTC difficulty implied price 500533;1392271024;mircea_popescu;239 ? 500534;1392271030;bitcoinpete;I had two romanian architects living with me all summer 500535;1392271041;herbijudlestoids;;;calc 31350/2911847381 500536;1392271041;gribble;1.07663609723e-05 500537;1392271043;mircea_popescu;you run an architect boarding house ? 500538;1392271050;herbijudlestoids;^^ next diff implied price 500539;1392271051;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: On Doge terms that is 20k satoshis 500540;1392271052;bitcoinpete;in the off-season 500541;1392271075;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo e-05 would be 5 zeroes. so that's 3 digit satoshi price 500542;1392271085;bitcoinpete;they loved Jaime Oliver and cooked up a storm 500543;1392271094;bitcoinpete;My townhouse had a new stink every night 500544;1392271099;mircea_popescu;all romanians worth the name can cook. 500545;1392271116;herbijudlestoids;gribble reports it in 'hard-for-retards-to-understand' format... ; 62700/2621404453 ~0.00002391847619250229 500546;1392271122;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: But Altcoin rules, ignore 3 of the zeros like Doge does. 500547;1392271128;bitcoinpete;The "husband" would spend hours slaving over the stove while the "wife" would read 500548;1392271150;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete now that's emancipated. were they in their 20s ? 500549;1392271263;herbijudlestoids;i bought some books before i got sick...graham greene "our man in havana" (i own almost all his novels now) and flaubert "madame bovary" 500550;1392271272;herbijudlestoids;anyone read flaubert? 500551;1392271273;BingoBoingo;You know who is emaciated, those creepy ass ski jumpers 500552;1392271292;bitcoinpete;mid-late 20s 500553;1392271316;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I did and then I buried it with crap 500554;1392271318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.0008717 = 5.5353 BTC [+] {2} 500555;1392271318;bitcoinpete;also big fans of QI, Top Gear, and America's Next Top Model 500556;1392271354;herbijudlestoids;how can QI be put in the same line with Top Gear and Americas Next Top Model 500557;1392271357;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: DO you have Hulu where you are at? 500558;1392271414;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: appreciate the review ;) 500559;1392271451;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Well I ask about Hulu because Appilacian Outlaws is the best reality show for understanding Bitcoin. 500560;1392271469;herbijudlestoids;haha i was talking about flaubert! 500561;1392271473;herbijudlestoids;dude how drunk are you 500562;1392271483;herbijudlestoids;youre approaching vex on sat night levels 500563;1392271500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00086675 = 13.608 BTC [-] {3} 500564;1392271549;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I'm trying to talk to bitcoinpete about tv shows. I am barely drunk. 500565;1392271577;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: If you think I am so intoxicated are you up for a game after this one with moiety is over? 500566;1392271598;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: I don't have Hulu. Just got Netflixes 500567;1392271598;herbijudlestoids;no, you owe me one discussion about turtle F2F, retroshare and why you use neither. 500568;1392271619;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Because anonymity is over rated 500569;1392271619;herbijudlestoids;although i did learn today that retroshares routing algorithm is in fact inspired by turtle 500570;1392271632;herbijudlestoids;its F2F, not anonymous? 500571;1392271637;BingoBoingo;turtle is decent for a private net. 500572;1392271651;BingoBoingo;But on public nets you have to account for the meta-NSA 500573;1392271671;BingoBoingo;meta-NSA has the solution to all crypto in a drawer 500574;1392271706;BingoBoingo;The only way to deal with meta-NSA is to invite them to lick your balls 500575;1392271763;herbijudlestoids;can you pls clarify, private net == LAN? or private net == F2F VPN 500576;1392271787;BingoBoingo;Private net is a net where you know all participants. 500577;1392271793;herbijudlestoids;yep thx 500578;1392271816;herbijudlestoids;i dont think turtle/retroshare is designed as anything but...definitely not for public net 500579;1392271817;BingoBoingo;Turtle routing is great for that. You can all watch 12 years an Oscar winnrar on that 500580;1392271836;mrkent;Anyone know where the ASIC Miner direct share spreadsheet is? 500581;1392271868;BingoBoingo;mrkent: I dunno that such a thing exists 500582;1392271878;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: so the reason you dont use it? got no friends? 500583;1392271933;mrkent;BingoBoingo, how do people trade direct shares? 500584;1392271933;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Nah. 500585;1392271937;herbijudlestoids;mrkent: talkin bout this? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPdXsQFT-vIdHRVUjQ5Ql9BQWR6OENLMkhyUktUblE#gid=0 500586;1392271948;BingoBoingo;mrkent: Talk to fry'd kitty 500587;1392271974;BingoBoingo;Nd5 500588;1392272016;BingoBoingo;moiety: Your move again 500589;1392272080;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: The reason to dislike that stuff is IRL friends are too cool for internet crimes 500590;1392272085;moiety;d2-c4 500591;1392272116;mrkent;herbijudlestoids, no i thought there was one where it displays which address owns which shares 500592;1392272124;BingoBoingo;Bg7xa1 500593;1392272133;herbijudlestoids;mrkent: sorry, cant help, i just pulled that off google 500594;1392272149;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: yea fair enough. i also get the feeling that retroshare might not have the highest code quality 500595;1392272169;mrkent;np thanks 500596;1392272174;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I can't trust that the petty shit isn't backdoored from the start 500597;1392272199;BingoBoingo;I've got misdemeanor charges to still fight 500598;1392272230;herbijudlestoids;lel 500599;1392272287;moiety;thanks for making me homeless, prick 500600;1392272293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26398 @ 0.0008723 = 23.027 BTC [+] {2} 500601;1392272313;BingoBoingo;Can't just roll over and eat a fine. Have to convince that states attorney that if this is how he fight a misdemeanor a felony can't be worth prosecuting 500602;1392272333;herbijudlestoids;i was supposed to be in bed recuperating but who can sleep when the greatest chess match of all time is happening in -assets 500603;1392272346;BingoBoingo;moiety: It's fine, just maybe try going on the offensive for a change? 500604;1392272359;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: stick it to the man! 500605;1392272374;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I've actually lost in this chan 500606;1392272376;moiety;:P 500607;1392272406;moiety;you know im kidding 500608;1392272441;BingoBoingo;moiety: I know, but seriously where is your aggression. You were white? Where are the whips? 500609;1392272466;moiety;oh i thought you thought i was being too agressive 500610;1392272500;BingoBoingo;moiety: No, It's like you have spent the entire game as an Olympic snowboarder is a green haze. 500611;1392272518;moiety;sounds good to me.... 500612;1392272539;moiety;i can say it is much easier now i can see the board 500613;1392272571;BingoBoingo;moiety: Well you have two moves before things becomem hopeless. 500614;1392272585;moiety;go have another drink 500615;1392272590;BingoBoingo;moiety: Force me to do something other than end you. 500616;1392272622;BingoBoingo;shit, I only have 3 inches of Vodka left in this fifth 500617;1392272750;BingoBoingo;http://imgur.com/91SYf9M 500618;1392272751;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 500619;1392272803;moiety;h3-g5 500620;1392272842;BingoBoingo;Bc3+ 500621;1392272877;moiety;omg did you see that http://imgur.com/gallery/1r9nx lol 500622;1392272931;BingoBoingo;moiety: This is an anti Doge channel. The best Doge thing to come out of here was selling Sochi DOge skins to the slants. 500623;1392272985;moiety;im not particularly pro doge... really is everywhere is all. 500624;1392273021;BingoBoingo;moiety: And how can I be racist. I am black. You moved first trying to colonize my half of the board. 500625;1392273023;moiety;ive never seen anything in the centre of a letter on google results, its bizarre 500626;1392273023;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: +1 for thinkpad, -999999999 for unity. 500627;1392273048;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Unity on FreeBSD ain't bad though. 500628;1392273054;moiety;and what did you just do 500629;1392273067;BingoBoingo;moiety: Bc3+ 500630;1392273075;moiety;:s ness 500631;1392273145;moiety;nvm 500632;1392273156;herbijudlestoids;y...youre using unity on fbsd? 500633;1392273163;herbijudlestoids;okkk 500634;1392273189;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I won't confirm or deny it. Maybe Open BSD, maybe NetBSD, maybe FreeBSD. 500635;1392273207;moiety;jeeves** not google 500636;1392273208;BingoBoingo;Unity is awfully portable though and better than GNOME Shell 500637;1392273249;BingoBoingo;I also don't much trust that false successor to gnome 2 500638;1392273260;herbijudlestoids;yea gnome3 stole my heart and then broke it 500639;1392273264;herbijudlestoids;iv been using xfce since 500640;1392273294;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Maybe you need an actual substance abuse problem like me. That might bring your mind to sense. 500641;1392273305;herbijudlestoids;how do you know i dont have one? 500642;1392273324;BingoBoingo;By substance I mean Bitcoin. An Aristotelian substance. 500643;1392273328;herbijudlestoids;lel 500644;1392273335;BingoBoingo;I have had so much and squandered so much. 500645;1392273338;herbijudlestoids;good save 500646;1392273360;BingoBoingo;Not a save herbijudlestoids, an actual meaning 500647;1392273400;BingoBoingo;Actual meaning refering to "is does something" 500648;1392273504;BingoBoingo;I really dunno what all the Unity hate is over anyways 500649;1392273534;BingoBoingo;It isn't like it has a niggers.txt file 500650;1392273570;BingoBoingo;Like gnome shell does 500651;1392273629;moiety;g5-h3 500652;1392273665;moiety;sorry trying to change my gpg key and failing 500653;1392273682;BingoBoingo;moiety: can't do that, you are in check 500654;1392273742;BingoBoingo;moiety: You have to take, interpose, or move to address my Bishop on c3 500655;1392273743;moiety;hang on have i moved you to the wrong place 500656;1392273780;moiety;g2-h3 500657;1392273789;moiety;c3 500658;1392273795;moiety;g2-c3 500659;1392273805;moiety;i meant c3 before as well 500660;1392273821;BingoBoingo;? is that a move? 500661;1392273840;moiety;why not 500662;1392273860;BingoBoingo;How does your pawn on g2 get to c3? 500663;1392273885;moiety;g2 has a dude, no it is h3, why am i not allowed that 500664;1392273901;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete by the way, the circus you see ? this is the house of a free market. that's how one looks, circus-y 500665;1392273902;moiety;g2-h3 500666;1392273936;BingoBoingo;moiety: Because you are in check. Your king is in imminent danger. The Bishop on c3 threatens to take it. 500667;1392273959;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids yes i read flaubert. 500668;1392273967;moiety;i thought bishops can only move diagonally 500669;1392273973;mircea_popescu;try bouvard & pecuchet sometime 500670;1392273973;BingoBoingo;You have to kill my Bishop, Block its attack, or evacuate your king 500671;1392273982;mircea_popescu;it's like... the history of forum finance. 500672;1392274004;BingoBoingo;moiety: My bishop is attacking your king on a diagonal 500673;1392274018;moiety;http://i.imgur.com/pc7dZkP.png 500674;1392274021;herbijudlestoids;hmm mircea_popescu thx i will check it out at the bookstore. any thoughts on madame bovary? 500675;1392274046;moiety;i see what i did 500676;1392274052;Duffer1;russians; pretty good at skating, who knew 500677;1392274139;MisterE;might print up a couple of these if u travel. https://twitter.com/uhf_satcom 500678;1392274140;MisterE;doh! 500679;1392274140;moiety;bingo i think he is fucked 500680;1392274161;BingoBoingo;moiety: You are doing better than truffles. I'm uploading a pic again to sync to http://imgur.com/4P4KaSc 500681;1392274203;moiety;e1 - f2 and is it not my queen? 500682;1392274243;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids plenty. 500683;1392274245;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.074 = 0.296 BTC [+] {3} 500684;1392274246;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1221 = 0.3663 BTC [-] {2} 500685;1392274249;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] {2} 500686;1392274252;BingoBoingo;moiety: Your king can do that. I'm going to take a garage cigarette break. Ask yourself if that is the BEST move. 500687;1392274253;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: just out of morbid curiosity, what is wrong with ...xchess, for example? 500688;1392274266;herbijudlestoids;why must it be played over irc 500689;1392274275;mircea_popescu;there's a trilema post from back in 2009 where some romanian studying at the sorbonne who dared not like it is excruciated by my readership. 500690;1392274284;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Mostly sloppy coding and weird errors 500691;1392274298;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: good answer 500692;1392274319;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: pls link? ill feed it to google translate (assuming its in romani) 500693;1392274323;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Xchess demands on particular font most don't have to work even halfway 500694;1392274332;mircea_popescu;wtf retarded game of chess is that ?! 500695;1392274350;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The Stallman board version 500696;1392274364;mircea_popescu;but i mean... o wait, moiety is white huh 500697;1392274367;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00087234 = 2.9223 BTC [+] 500698;1392274371;BingoBoingo;Yeah 500699;1392274372;mircea_popescu;hon you're not very good at this :D 500700;1392274389;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids http://trilema.com/2009/flaubert-suntem-noi/ 500701;1392274408;mircea_popescu;curious what gt can make out of multi-layered meaning cake a la trilema & its peanut gallery 500702;1392274414;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: She's prolly ready to beat truffles 500703;1392274428;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00296392 = 2.9639 BTC [-] {12} 500704;1392274436;moiety;lol nope :D but i will get better mircea_popescu! 500705;1392274499;herbijudlestoids;o ffs 500706;1392274507;herbijudlestoids;google translate caught by the subscription page 500707;1392274527;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: It nearly always is 500708;1392274550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+] 500709;1392274566;BingoBoingo;I remember paying half a BTC for trilema credits and losing the cookie, because webchat 500710;1392274608;BingoBoingo;Trilema is worth it enough though that I keep a hot cookie 500711;1392274640;moiety;yep e1-f2 500712;1392274670;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: surely cookie is not the only thing tying trilema to your payment? 500713;1392274699;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: It actually is because trilema is built the right way. 500714;1392274727;BingoBoingo;Nc6 500715;1392274728;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids anyway, among the commenters corina is the letters dept head of i don't recall which kind at the cluj university, als is a meanwhile deceased faggoty movie critic of great repute, esk is the chick in question and so on 500716;1392274737;BingoBoingo;Nb-c6 500717;1392274760;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: pls hold while i rip the text into gt manually 500718;1392274763;moiety;g1-h7 500719;1392274770;MisterE;what is this truffles I keep hearing about? 500720;1392274784;mircea_popescu;MisterE when you bareback a chick with diabethes. 500721;1392274794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00087171 = 7.7146 BTC [-] 500722;1392274801;MisterE;thats perfectly OK 500723;1392274802;mircea_popescu;no wait. you have the diabethes. she has a yeast infection. 500724;1392274809;MisterE;oh no 500725;1392274815;MisterE;Yeast is a no go 500726;1392274820;BingoBoingo;moiety: You have nothing on g1 500727;1392274853;moiety;i think im number dyslexic, g5-h7 500728;1392274940;BingoBoingo;Bd4+ 500729;1392274970;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: here is the translated article. will do comments once iv read http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QTQVnWbt 500730;1392275001;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids it may surprise you to know i have access to my own articles :D 500731;1392275035;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: you were curious what the translate looked like? 500732;1392275057;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: He is always curious what right translations look like 500733;1392275060;mircea_popescu;yeah but i loaded up gt 500734;1392275064;herbijudlestoids;ah right lol 500735;1392275069;herbijudlestoids;so far ineligible 500736;1392275072;moiety;f2-e1 retreaaat 500737;1392275083;BingoBoingo;right translations of trilema are... challenging though 500738;1392275099;herbijudlestoids;"Notice how not even offer me eat my own ears" 500739;1392275105;BingoBoingo;KxNe7 500740;1392275166;BingoBoingo;*KxNh7 500741;1392275217;BingoBoingo;I need to drink moar 500742;1392275223;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: it's a salty circus, which is good because I might actually learn something 500743;1392275228;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids ineligible means which can't be chosen 500744;1392275234;mircea_popescu;uninteligible however... 500745;1392275240;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: yes 500746;1392275244;moiety;i cant do that BingoBoingo http://i.imgur.com/fsai0zd.png 500747;1392275259;moiety;your king is d8 right 500748;1392275280;mircea_popescu;and since we're on it, inedible = uneatable, indelible = uneraseable. 500749;1392275282;herbijudlestoids;retarded mircea_popescu i meant illegible. 500750;1392275289;herbijudlestoids;<-retard 500751;1392275289;BingoBoingo;moiety: My king was on G8 because castling 500752;1392275293;BingoBoingo;That 0-0 500753;1392275297;mircea_popescu;but you're legging it just fine :D 500754;1392275317;mircea_popescu;لآن الشيء نفسه سوف اهتزت كثيرا، " الفوضى " هي جميع أنواع << this is illegible 500755;1392275352;herbijudlestoids;haha 500756;1392275353;moiety;then how are we on the same moves? 500757;1392275369;herbijudlestoids;Me: see the Latin spoken in cambridge . mo got toothache at one point I roared in the room STOP ! Hammertime ! 500758;1392275370;BingoBoingo;moiety: Last pick I snapped should reveal where my king has been 500759;1392275382;BingoBoingo;moiety: As would the previous pic 500760;1392275390;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: please upload a short video of yourself yelling STOP! Hammertime! to youtube. 500761;1392275402;mircea_popescu;it's a metaphore. 500762;1392275403;moiety;pics didnt help making moves as theyhad to be in order 500763;1392275404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00087171 = 16.1266 BTC [-] 500764;1392275409;mircea_popescu;i just excused myself and left. 500765;1392275446;BingoBoingo;0.01 BTC reward to the person who can name the Greek who was good at chaos. 500766;1392275451;moiety;both pics do have something on d8 500767;1392275452;mircea_popescu;tho i did use to wear a fro 500768;1392275456;BingoBoingo;moiety: Remember that 0-0 though 500769;1392275468;moiety;yeah i guessed tha 500770;1392275475;BingoBoingo;moiety: My queen is still on d8 where it started 500771;1392275488;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: eris 500772;1392275501;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Not the clitus I am thinking of 500773;1392275505;herbijudlestoids;wut! 500774;1392275506;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo : Eρις 500775;1392275513;mircea_popescu;whose name reads just like epic 500776;1392275522;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: do you actually refer to chaos... 500777;1392275529;herbijudlestoids;chaos itself was a greek god 500778;1392275531;BingoBoingo;I was thinking of Heraclitus. 500779;1392275536;mircea_popescu;goddes 500780;1392275540;herbijudlestoids;wutttt 500781;1392275541;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: How can a chasm be a god 500782;1392275542;mircea_popescu;eris was a bitch 500783;1392275562;BingoBoingo;it is like saying a vagina is a bunch of matter. 500784;1392275584;herbijudlestoids;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_%28mythology%29 500785;1392275585;ozbot;Eris (mythology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 500786;1392275588;BingoBoingo;When the vagina is defined by the lack of matter in its chaos 500787;1392275642;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I also sought a person rather than a fictional catch all 500788;1392275648;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04660001 = 0.233 BTC [-] 500789;1392275652;herbijudlestoids;"For Hesiod and the early Greek Olympian myth (8th century BC), Chaos was the first of the primordial deities, followed by Earth (Gaia), Tartarus and Eros (Love).[16] From Chaos came Erebus and Nyx.[17]" 500790;1392275670;herbijudlestoids;but i would always answer fnord...i mean eris ...to that question... 500791;1392275675;BingoBoingo;Yes, from chaos, from her slit. 500792;1392275709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00087283 = 22.7809 BTC [+] {3} 500793;1392275730;BingoBoingo;If I asked for a Dago, supposing a real person Vito Corleone would be under Mussolini every day of the week. 500794;1392275741;herbijudlestoids;lel 500795;1392275762;herbijudlestoids;fair enough, i knew the answer only from my reading of the principia discordia...im not actually cultured :P 500796;1392275811;moiety;i cant find gpg on freenode 500797;1392275858;herbijudlestoids;moiety: what do you mean? gpg is software...gnupg... 500798;1392275883;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Well, remember the chaos isn't the whole cunt, but merely the pleasant absence where the dick goes within the cunt 500799;1392275914;bitcoinpete;goddesses make me think of Citroens 500800;1392275958;moiety;in that room herbi, hopefully someone is around soon 500801;1392275994;herbijudlestoids;moiety: if you need any help with gpg i doubt anyone is more qualified than people in this room :) 500802;1392276023;herbijudlestoids;what are you trying to do? 500803;1392276044;moiety;all i want to do is chage my email address 500804;1392276047;moiety;change 500805;1392276079;moiety;i try uid bringsuo the key, try deluid tells me to select one 500806;1392276085;moiety;brings up* 500807;1392276098;herbijudlestoids;moiety: here you go https://coderwall.com/p/tx_1-g 500808;1392276140;herbijudlestoids;you dont really need to deluid, just revoke it 500809;1392276146;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: That is one way BTC beats GPG (and there are few 500810;1392276148;herbijudlestoids;(with revuid) 500811;1392276156;moiety;right kk 500812;1392276185;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: sorry you lost me, in which way does BTC beat GPG? 500813;1392276214;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: In the way that anything *id is mutable until it is confirmed. 500814;1392276219;herbijudlestoids;yer 500815;1392276220;moiety;just keeps saying you must select at least ne user id, ive tried typing it in a million different ways 500816;1392276228;BingoBoingo;This shit Gox is bitching about is a strength 500817;1392276323;herbijudlestoids;moiety: in which command? gpg --edit-key ? it should just be gpg --edit-key moiety@moiety.moiety 500818;1392276572;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: i prefer democritus to heraclitus but it might be my childhood exposure to him talking 500819;1392276624;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.1221 = 1.4652 BTC [-] 500820;1392276625;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.074 = 0.888 BTC [-] 500821;1392276637;mircea_popescu;you heard democritus talking ? 500822;1392276654;herbijudlestoids;poorly constructed sentence 500823;1392276662;BingoBoingo;Must be one of those mythical baby boomers 500824;1392276683;herbijudlestoids;as in, the childhood exposure to democritus is talking to me, and convincing me that i prefer one to the other 500825;1392276777;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids actually it was fine, it'd have been his talking to be what i pretended it to be. just a little trolling :D 500826;1392276818;herbijudlestoids;luvz2betrolz 500827;1392276878;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: You up for a game? 500828;1392276910;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: i was about to go for long walk to get some dinners 500829;1392276924;herbijudlestoids;still around in a few hours? 500830;1392276970;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Who knows? 500831;1392277032;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: mm its only 1830. lets play a game, im sure you wont take long to beat me 500832;1392277051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16951 @ 0.00086989 = 14.7455 BTC [-] {2} 500833;1392277062;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: My game against moiety is still ongooing 500834;1392277088;herbijudlestoids;ok..well ill ping you later then :) 500835;1392277473;bitcoinpete;Bon sour, mes amis. It's been a pleasure breaking the ice. 500836;1392277485;bitcoinpete;soir* 500837;1392277539;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [-] 500838;1392277661;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.19376446 = 2.3252 BTC [+] 500839;1392277662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3799 @ 0.0008672 = 3.2945 BTC [-] 500840;1392278749;Nick_Fly|2;is anyone here? 500841;1392278814;mircea_popescu;yes. 500842;1392278821;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00197733 = 0.8898 BTC [-] 500843;1392279003;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00197733 = 0.8898 BTC [-] 500844;1392279003;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1221 = 0.4884 BTC [-] {2} 500845;1392279004;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.074 = 0.296 BTC [-] 500846;1392279020;BingoBoingo;http://www.hulu.com/watch/159193#i0,p0,s10,d0 essential watching before Robocop II 500847;1392279046;nick_fly;Guys, help me! I'm stuck in Ukraine because of this revolution and I can not go home. But then the border guard offers to give him a bribe and he will miss me. He told that accepts BTC. I know it's sounds like a joke, but tom it's totally not fun!!! Donate as much as you can. 500848;1392279053;mircea_popescu;revolution ?! 500849;1392279064;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00197733 = 0.8898 BTC [-] 500850;1392279064;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] 500851;1392279108;nick_fly;google "maidan ukrain" 500852;1392279160;cazalla;ukranian eh 500853;1392279160;cazalla;you know phil leotardo got mistaken for a ukrainia 500854;1392279165;nick_fly;You are my last hope=( 500855;1392279188;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Ukraine_is_not_a_Brothel-Maidan-3.jpg 500856;1392279191;mircea_popescu;check it out, naked chicks. 500857;1392279202;mircea_popescu;hey, do you know the topless bunch, what's their name 500858;1392279227;nick_fly;Pussy Riot? 500859;1392279240;moiety;wth is going on in that pic 500860;1392279251;nick_fly;I would not come here if not for work. Please! Heeeelp!!! 500861;1392279277;mircea_popescu;yeah, that's right, pussy riot. 500862;1392279299;mircea_popescu;moiety a dancer girl is looking for her contacts ? 500863;1392279336;moiety;mircea_popescu: those guys must have paid for them, they look really pissed of she's lost them 500864;1392279363;cazalla;dhl 500865;1392279364;cazalla;el package express 500866;1392279374;nick_fly;i'm here for 3 days, can't pass the border 500867;1392279375;mircea_popescu;seems the sort of thing final year performing arts kids would be doing 500868;1392279382;nick_fly;will anyone help me? 500869;1392279393;mircea_popescu;nick_fly you know 178.172.211.44 is actually in belarus, right ? 500870;1392279401;nick_fly;it's proxy 500871;1392279418;nick_fly;local provider blocks me 500872;1392279442;mircea_popescu;cause of the revolution ? 500873;1392279471;nick_fly;ccertainly 500874;1392279519;moiety;bingo's being kind enough to just restart fresh board. i move d4 500875;1392279532;nick_fly;when i came here, the first question i have been asked was "going to "EuroMaidan"? 500876;1392279543;BingoBoingo;1. d4 d5 500877;1392279551;nick_fly;mircea_popescu: help pls 500878;1392279552;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.074 = 0.222 BTC [-] 500879;1392279553;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1221 = 0.3663 BTC [-] 500880;1392279591;mircea_popescu;why did you go there anyway 500881;1392279613;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 500882;1392279630;moiety;herbi herbi herbi 500883;1392279649;moiety;nc3 500884;1392279676;nick_fly;mircea_popescu: to sign a contract for the supply of water. Does it important? 500885;1392279692;BingoBoingo;c6 500886;1392279699;mircea_popescu;not really to me, no. mostly to you. 500887;1392279719;nick_fly;mircea_popescu: yeah 500888;1392279733;nick_fly;13xPYSqi8q3ywtU4jSVRWNR7dib1e4soKx as much as you can 500889;1392279749;mircea_popescu;so who were you signing water supply contracts for / 500890;1392279769;BingoBoingo;nick_fly: 0.01 BTC for a sharpie in your pooper with Bingo on the left asscheek and Boingo on your right asscheek 500891;1392279802;moiety;na4 BingoBoingo 500892;1392279829;nick_fly;my boss send me here. it's some kind of healing water 500893;1392279841;BingoBoingo;Nf6 moiety 500894;1392279847;mircea_popescu;well so then why isn't your boss getting you out ? 500895;1392279857;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.19376446 = 0.7751 BTC [+] 500896;1392279870;nick_fly;have you ever heard of ever heard of Borjomi? 500897;1392279888;BingoBoingo;nick_fly: get your boss here it won't be the value I offered you. 500898;1392279896;nick_fly;he don't care 500899;1392279919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15549 @ 0.00087291 = 13.5729 BTC [+] {2} 500900;1392279925;moiety;BingoBoingo: c4 500901;1392279932;BingoBoingo;nick_fly: He as you boss could do 5 laundry markers for 0.02 BTC 500902;1392279950;nick_fly;he don't even know what is BTC 500903;1392279968;BingoBoingo;Qa5+ moiety 500904;1392280037;moiety;my thing doesnt register that, what are you meaning 500905;1392280062;BingoBoingo;moiety: Queen to a5, check 500906;1392280063;nick_fly;guys, i can't discuss here for a long time. access to the internet here is VERY! expensive to me. Please help ANYONE!!!!!!! 500907;1392280065;moiety;nvm 500908;1392280082;nick_fly;13xPYSqi8q3ywtU4jSVRWNR7dib1e4soKx as much as you can 500909;1392280082;BingoBoingo;nick_fly: Freedom isn't free. 500910;1392280096;nick_fly;it's not funny 500911;1392280101;BingoBoingo;nick_fly: Freedom simply means, nothing left to lose 500912;1392280133;nick_fly;Imagine yourself in my place. IT'S NOT FUNNY! 500913;1392280206;moiety;bishop - d2 500914;1392280223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28267 @ 0.00087353 = 24.6921 BTC [+] {2} 500915;1392280223;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2228 @ 0.00012661 = 0.2821 BTC [-] {5} 500916;1392280251;BingoBoingo;Qd8 500917;1392280270;nick_fly;BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: help please 500918;1392280284;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12772 @ 0.00012023 = 1.5356 BTC [-] {4} 500919;1392280290;BingoBoingo;nick_fly: Open your sphincter first 500920;1392280317;nick_fly;implore you 500921;1392280382;BingoBoingo;nick_fly: 0.01BTC for a sharpie in your pooper 500922;1392280411;mircea_popescu;nick_fly apparently some georgian mineral water. 500923;1392280428;mircea_popescu;never had it myself. is it any good ? 500924;1392280547;moiety;ev BingoBoingo 500925;1392280550;moiety;e4* 500926;1392280575;BingoBoingo;Nxe4 500927;1392280589;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55000002 = 1.1 BTC [-] {2} 500928;1392280651;nick_fly;heeey 500929;1392280782;nick_fly;I left for 7-8 minutes until the end of Internet access. SOMEONE!!!! HELP!!!! AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!!! 13xPYSqi8q3ywtU4jSVRWNR7dib1e4soKx 500930;1392280797;BingoBoingo;nick_fly: If you want anything you can put a sharpie in your pooper or jump the country fence 500931;1392280814;BingoBoingo;nick_fly: http://www.hulu.com/watch/159192#i0,p0,s10,d0 500932;1392280816;mircea_popescu;yeah, kinda lukewarm entertainment value so far. 500933;1392280926;nick_fly;BingoBoingo: can be seen only from the usa. GUYS.... aaaaaa. heeeeeelp 500934;1392280950;nick_fly;mircea_popescu: i'v read about you. i know you can help. 500935;1392280984;nick_fly;mircea_popescu: i'm not asking as much as openBSD asked. just as much as you can 500936;1392280997;nick_fly;or as you want 500937;1392280998;mircea_popescu;lmao 500938;1392281005;BingoBoingo;nick_fly: You could still get BTC from sharpie in pooper 500939;1392281077;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.54540204 = 2.727 BTC [-] {4} 500940;1392281089;BingoBoingo;nick_fly: Great victories only come from great sacrifices... of dignity 500941;1392281104;MisterE;I wonder if we'll see more miners hedge their bet with fpgas which can be useful for other stuff they can get paid for 500942;1392281171;nick_fly;the last time - will anyone help me? i can't be here more. please if you have any kindness 500943;1392281172;nick_fly;13xPYSqi8q3ywtU4jSVRWNR7dib1e4soKx 500944;1392281176;mircea_popescu;least likely thing for a miner to hedge with 500945;1392281243;BingoBoingo;nick_fly: I am offering to pay, but only if you entertain first 500946;1392281261;nick_fly;how?!?!?! 500947;1392281316;moiety;BingoBoingo: Ba5 500948;1392281346;BingoBoingo;moiety: Qxa5+ 500949;1392281346;nick_fly;BingoBoingo: i'll do everything i can. please, have to help me 500950;1392281383;BingoBoingo;nick_fly: I offered a way to help yourself for 0.01 BTC 500951;1392281460;moiety;BingoBoingo: Ke2 500952;1392281507;BingoBoingo;Bg4+ 500953;1392281519;moiety;can i keep two emails on one key? 500954;1392281558;BingoBoingo;moiety: Yeah, but that is the least of details 500955;1392281598;moiety;i know being destroyed is priority 500956;1392281644;moiety;ke3 500957;1392281710;BingoBoingo;Bxd1 500958;1392281748;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.074 = 1.11 BTC [-] 500959;1392281749;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.1221 = 1.8315 BTC [-] 500960;1392281809;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.19376446 = 2.9065 BTC [+] 500961;1392281810;moiety;you bastard 500962;1392281826;moiety;she didnt do anything to you 500963;1392281867;moiety;rxd1 500964;1392281942;BingoBoingo;Nf6 500965;1392282130;moiety;Nc5 500966;1392282266;BingoBoingo;Ng4+ 500967;1392282358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00087384 = 4.5877 BTC [+] 500968;1392282525;moiety;kf3 500969;1392282527;mircea_popescu;those 7-8 minutes lasted a while. 500970;1392282663;MisterE;why least likely hedge mircea_popescu? That's the fastest tradeoff you get short of asic? 500971;1392282669;BingoBoingo;Ne5+ 500972;1392282907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00087384 = 8.4762 BTC [+] {2} 500973;1392282908;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0749995 = 0.15 BTC [+] {2} 500974;1392283029;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221 BTC [-] 500975;1392283090;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 500976;1392283105;moiety;ke2 :( 500977;1392283346;BingoBoingo;Nxc4 500978;1392283578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16536 @ 0.00087375 = 14.4483 BTC [-] {2} 500979;1392283827;KRS-One;btc-e is down, rumors is that it was taken down perm 500980;1392283863;BingoBoingo;lol 500981;1392283893;moiety;Nxb7 500982;1392283982;BingoBoingo;Qxa2 500983;1392284064;mircea_popescu;MisterE they could (and do) hedge by putting btc on the bitbet diff bets 500984;1392284079;mircea_popescu;they could (and perhaps to a smaller degree d0) hedge by trading diff futures 500985;1392284101;mircea_popescu;buying fpgas is not unlike buying taxicabs. not much to do with anything. 500986;1392284188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37224 @ 0.00087209 = 32.4627 BTC [-] {3} 500987;1392284446;moiety;i cant reverse my last one rc1 500988;1392284510;BingoBoingo;Qxb2+ 500989;1392284540;herbijudlestoids;i haz returned 500990;1392284582;moiety;kd1 500991;1392284588;moiety;im still losing! 500992;1392284593;moiety;wb! 500993;1392284602;herbijudlestoids;hehe, did you sort out your gpg key? 500994;1392284672;BingoBoingo;moiety: Qd2++ 500995;1392284675;BingoBoingo;Good game 500996;1392284737;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: You ready for a game? 500997;1392284798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27405 @ 0.00087105 = 23.8711 BTC [-] {3} 500998;1392284819;herbijudlestoids;sure, BingoBoingo give me 5 to browse the algebraic notation page for chess 500999;1392284827;BingoBoingo;K 501000;1392284832;moiety;ok be honest, how often could you have finished it before BingoBoingo?! 501001;1392284841;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: You prefer white or black? 501002;1392284857;BingoBoingo;moiety: I doubt he followed too close 501003;1392284864;moiety;and i did herbi! thanks :D 501004;1392284889;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: happy to flip on it 501005;1392284909;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Heads or tails? 501006;1392284943;moiety;no BingoBoingo i was sking you how much you let we away with lol 501007;1392284944;herbijudlestoids;heads pls 501008;1392284949;moiety;asking* 501009;1392284952;BingoBoingo;;;coin 501010;1392284953;gribble;tails 501011;1392284964;herbijudlestoids;ok i think i understand 501012;1392284970;herbijudlestoids;pls pull me up on any mistakes re notation 501013;1392284974;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: tails, I prefer black. Your move. 501014;1392284979;moiety;was fun with the board that 501015;1392284987;moiety;:D 501016;1392285019;herbijudlestoids;e4 501017;1392285036;BingoBoingo;d6 501018;1392285087;herbijudlestoids;b3 501019;1392285102;BingoBoingo;Nf6 501020;1392285150;herbijudlestoids;Nc3 501021;1392285161;BingoBoingo;g6 501022;1392285189;herbijudlestoids;Rb1 501023;1392285234;BingoBoingo;Bg7 501024;1392285332;herbijudlestoids;Bc4 501025;1392285347;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.0055 = 0.1265 BTC 501026;1392285348;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08199 = 0.164 BTC [+] {2} 501027;1392285349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00087425 = 11.2778 BTC [+] {2} 501028;1392285389;BingoBoingo;0-0 501029;1392285415;herbijudlestoids;how do i do the 0-0 on the html board 501030;1392285481;herbijudlestoids;got it 501031;1392285497;BingoBoingo;Ke8 to g8 and rook h8 to f8 501032;1392285578;herbijudlestoids;g4 501033;1392285596;BingoBoingo;Bxg4 501034;1392285638;herbijudlestoids;f3 501035;1392285721;BingoBoingo;e5 501036;1392285758;herbijudlestoids;xg4 501037;1392285809;herbijudlestoids;err should be fxg4 i guess sorry 501038;1392285974;BingoBoingo;Nb-d7 501039;1392286019;herbijudlestoids;g5 501040;1392286069;BingoBoingo;Nh5 501041;1392286132;herbijudlestoids;excuse me, bathroom break 501042;1392286167;BingoBoingo;fine, smoke break 501043;1392286198;herbijudlestoids;ok back 501044;1392286308;herbijudlestoids;d3 501045;1392286445;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.074 = 1.406 BTC [-] 501046;1392286584;herbijudlestoids;what are you doin, growin the tobacco yourself? 501047;1392286624;BingoBoingo;Nc5 501048;1392286747;herbijudlestoids;a4 501049;1392286806;BingoBoingo;a6 501050;1392286823;herbijudlestoids;b4 501051;1392286914;BingoBoingo;Ne6 501052;1392287072;herbijudlestoids;Ne2 501053;1392287115;BingoBoingo;Nc oe Ng 501054;1392287129;BingoBoingo;Nc or Ng 501055;1392287158;herbijudlestoids;Ng 501056;1392287160;herbijudlestoids;sorry, my bad 501057;1392287234;BingoBoingo;Nxg5 501058;1392287271;herbijudlestoids;Rg1 501059;1392287339;BingoBoingo;Ne6 501060;1392287385;herbijudlestoids;Nd5 501061;1392287441;BingoBoingo;Qh4+ 501062;1392287529;herbijudlestoids;Kf2 501063;1392287533;herbijudlestoids;err Kf1 501064;1392287594;BingoBoingo;Rf-e8 501065;1392287787;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.0055 = 0.825 BTC 501066;1392287799;herbijudlestoids;hmmm battle mode 501067;1392287876;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I hate to push, but you seem to be draggin 501068;1392287901;herbijudlestoids;Ng3 501069;1392287975;BingoBoingo;Qh3+ 501070;1392288043;herbijudlestoids;Rg2 501071;1392288096;BingoBoingo;Ng3+ 501072;1392288156;herbijudlestoids;hxg3 501073;1392288214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00087441 = 14.6464 BTC [+] 501074;1392288236;BingoBoingo;Qh1+ 501075;1392288248;herbijudlestoids;Rg1 501076;1392288324;BingoBoingo;Qh3+ 501077;1392288359;herbijudlestoids;Rg2... 501078;1392288397;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 42 @ 0.07395238 = 3.106 BTC [-] {2} 501079;1392288401;BingoBoingo;b5 501080;1392288423;herbijudlestoids;axb5 501081;1392288501;BingoBoingo;axb5 501082;1392288528;herbijudlestoids;Bb5 501083;1392288531;herbijudlestoids;err 501084;1392288532;herbijudlestoids;Bxb5 501085;1392288642;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2297 @ 0.00012999 = 0.2986 BTC [-] 501086;1392288724;BingoBoingo;Qh1+ 501087;1392288748;herbijudlestoids;Rg1... 501088;1392288870;BingoBoingo;QxNd5 501089;1392288897;herbijudlestoids;err wut? i got a pawn at e4? 501090;1392288953;herbijudlestoids;lol it was my first move... 501091;1392288963;BingoBoingo;Yeah, died long ago 501092;1392289031;BingoBoingo;Amazing how tiny things affect the board this much 501093;1392289038;herbijudlestoids;... 501094;1392289043;herbijudlestoids;i just grepped for "xe4" 501095;1392289074;herbijudlestoids;pls paste the line of you taking it? 501096;1392289105;KRS-One;;;seen vexual 501097;1392289105;gribble;vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 19 hours, 56 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: its nit even an internet fridge 501098;1392289148;herbijudlestoids;i thought i had been faithfully replicating each move, if i missed one apologies 501099;1392289152;herbijudlestoids;but i cant see it in my log 501100;1392289224;herbijudlestoids;http://imgur.com/AOWiQJt 501101;1392289225;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 501102;1392289271;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: You may be right. let me reconcile this position 501103;1392289425;BingoBoingo;Qh4 501104;1392289443;herbijudlestoids;are you sure? if you move to Qh4 i take your queen. 501105;1392289457;BingoBoingo;I might be awfully drunk. 501106;1392289470;BingoBoingo;I thought e4 was open, I mean 501107;1392289504;herbijudlestoids;last chance? if you move to Qh5 its much better move against mew 501108;1392289532;BingoBoingo;Fine, Qh3 501109;1392289544;herbijudlestoids;LOL 501110;1392289552;herbijudlestoids;we been through this but ok... Rg2... 501111;1392289617;BingoBoingo;Nd4 501112;1392289724;herbijudlestoids;Bc4 501113;1392289857;BingoBoingo;Qh1+ 501114;1392289869;BingoBoingo;Draw? 501115;1392289871;herbijudlestoids;lolllll Rg1 501116;1392289881;herbijudlestoids;wwut! 501117;1392289889;herbijudlestoids;you bored? 501118;1392289898;herbijudlestoids;im cracking up grinning here! 501119;1392289925;BingoBoingo;Qf3+ 501120;1392289953;herbijudlestoids;now were talkin 501121;1392289964;herbijudlestoids;dunno why you didnt just Qh5 earlier hehe 501122;1392289988;herbijudlestoids;Ke1 501123;1392289990;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: pawns have to find the right places 501124;1392290060;BingoBoingo;QxQ+ 501125;1392290077;herbijudlestoids;Kxd1 501126;1392290125;BingoBoingo;Nf3 501127;1392290200;herbijudlestoids;Rf1 501128;1392290274;BingoBoingo;e4 501129;1392290295;herbijudlestoids;lel my brother, e4 is not open for you 501130;1392290310;BingoBoingo;fuck have to audit again 501131;1392290312;herbijudlestoids;its got one of my pawns in it...i call him firstie... 501132;1392290326;BingoBoingo;Nd4 501133;1392290339;herbijudlestoids;http://imgur.com/qsCSca6 501134;1392290340;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 501135;1392290355;herbijudlestoids;c3 501136;1392290404;BingoBoingo;N36 501137;1392290433;herbijudlestoids;assume you meant Ne6... 501138;1392290463;herbijudlestoids;Bb5 501139;1392290471;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.08176994 = 0.8177 BTC [-] {4} 501140;1392290532;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.04799999 = 0.384 BTC [+] {2} 501141;1392290588;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: This game can end of one of two ways? You up for a draw? 501142;1392290622;herbijudlestoids;lel im enjoying myself but if for some reason you cbf to play anymore i am ok with it. what do you mean can only end one of two ways? all chess games can only end one of two ways? 501143;1392290647;herbijudlestoids;are you peering 80 moves into the future or something? 501144;1392290662;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: No, they have three ways to end. This one ends with you winning or you accepting a draw. 501145;1392290670;BingoBoingo;No way in hell I win this one 501146;1392290671;herbijudlestoids;HAHA 501147;1392290673;herbijudlestoids;sure bro 501148;1392290675;herbijudlestoids;:D 501149;1392290701;BingoBoingo;That e4 pawn just messed me up. 501150;1392290712;herbijudlestoids;seems like i enjoy playing tho, so hit me up sometime for a rematch :) 501151;1392290718;BingoBoingo;Can't believe THAT was the pawn I forgot about. 501152;1392290721;herbijudlestoids;literally grinning for the entire match 501153;1392290723;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Anytime 501154;1392290809;herbijudlestoids;chesscoin 501155;1392290810;herbijudlestoids;bitchess 501156;1392290813;herbijudlestoids;hmmm...nope 501157;1392290851;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: how are you playing these matches? ...i mean are you recording the moves on a board or is this all in your mind or something lol 501158;1392290886;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I set up a board on the floor. Usually I am good, but your e4 fucked me up. 501159;1392290915;BingoBoingo;You had the win early though 501160;1392290921;herbijudlestoids;i just assumed youre a savant playing in your mind 501161;1392290955;BingoBoingo;Nah, I am a drunk who actually set up a board on my floor 501162;1392290969;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: usually playing chess off a screen really fucks me up and i suck at it, but i think i like that HTML5 one 501163;1392290978;BingoBoingo;(in parts of the world having enough floor to do that is extravagant) 501164;1392290984;herbijudlestoids;haha 501165;1392291005;herbijudlestoids;also has tempted me to learn HTML5 501166;1392291020;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00087062 = 21.069 BTC [-] 501167;1392291037;punkman;extravagant would be having one of those huge outdoors boards and real people for the pieces 501168;1392291046;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I really dunno anything better though than a 0.02 BTC physical board 501169;1392291062;herbijudlestoids;punkman: they got those in hyde park in sydney and thats literally the last time i played chess before today 501170;1392291071;BingoBoingo;punkman: That would have been, but like 1BTC is a fortune nao 501171;1392291106;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: is hyde park the OZ version of niggers.txt? 501172;1392291119;herbijudlestoids;yeah i used to have a nice frosted glass board around but it didnt survive several house moves 501173;1392291155;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: did you know if you google niggers.txt, you shit-talking in log.bitcoin-assets.com is the 3rd result? 501174;1392291161;punkman;I got a soapstone board, half the pieces have been decapitated 501175;1392291166;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: of course 501176;1392291196;herbijudlestoids;earlier tonight i thought of something funny to do with niggers.txt, before i went out, but i forgot it while i was walking :( 501177;1392291197;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: the thing is nigger.txt is a term of art defined in this channe; 501178;1392291212;herbijudlestoids;explain for retards? 501179;1392291230;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: There is this thing called watermelon. 501180;1392291251;BingoBoingo;Everyone of all colors loves it. It is delicious. 501181;1392291261;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: for me, with you, when i say lol, its literal. 501182;1392291282;BingoBoingo;Noiggers.txt though is a term of art. 501183;1392291288;herbijudlestoids;lel 501184;1392291290;BingoBoingo;Imagine Mark Karpales 501185;1392291307;BingoBoingo;He is moar nigger.tst than Obummer 501186;1392291330;herbijudlestoids;http://buttcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/mtgox_ceo_mark_karpeles.jpg 501187;1392291333;BingoBoingo;Because those Greek Dago bitches can suck a dick 501188;1392291394;herbijudlestoids;holy shit, i just pasted that from google without looking at the url...theres actually a buttcoin.org 501189;1392291433;BingoBoingo;Oh shit, you herbijudlestoids do you know what the original dutch root nikker means? 501190;1392291447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00086996 = 7.1772 BTC [-] {2} 501191;1392291464;herbijudlestoids;not specifically 501192;1392291471;herbijudlestoids;i thought the root was spanish/portugese 501193;1392291502;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: It means ignorant, but because it sounds similar to the latin Negro 'Murica 501194;1392291509;herbijudlestoids;The variants neger and negar, derive from the Spanish and Portuguese word negro (black), and from the now-pejorative French n?gre (negro). Etymologically, negro, noir, n?gre, and nigger ultimately derive from nigrum, the stem of the Latin niger (black) (pronounced ['ni?er] which, in every other grammatical case, grammatical gender, and grammatical number besides nominative masculine singular, is nigr-, the r is tr 501195;1392291519;herbijudlestoids;the root is latin, niger == black. 501196;1392291559;herbijudlestoids;stems to nigrum (male), nigra (female) and from there to italian/french/spanish/portugese 501197;1392291564;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Latin and german are different root sources 501198;1392291616;herbijudlestoids;In the Colonial America of 1619, John Rolfe used negars in describing the African slaves shipped to the Virginia colony.[2] Later American English spellings, neger and neggar, prevailed in a northern colony, New York under the Dutch, and in metropolitan Philadelphia's Moravian and Pennsylvania Dutch communities; the African Burial Ground in New York City originally was known by the Dutch name "Begraafplaats van de 501199;1392291683;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: you could just post a half decent world star hip hop video 501200;1392291740;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: try this instead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VikXdIAQVQo 501201;1392291791;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: google challange and response. I can't give it an answer 501202;1392291819;herbijudlestoids;so whats the valid response to the niggers.txt challenge? 501203;1392291844;herbijudlestoids;< BingoBoingo > niggers.txt 501204;1392291852;herbijudlestoids;< herbijudlestoids > niggers.txt! 501205;1392291858;herbijudlestoids;? :P 501206;1392291874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00087231 = 6.0189 BTC [+] {2} 501207;1392291885;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Maybe ask kakobrekla, he's somalian, like a pirate 501208;1392292063;BingoBoingo;http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/02/12/nicki_minaj_lookin_ass_video_rapper_sets_her_sights_on_the_male_gaze_mows.html 501209;1392292064;ozbot;Nicki Minaj “Lookin Ass” video: Rapper sets her sights on the male gaze, mows it down with assau 501210;1392292235;herbijudlestoids;heres a graph of my ATC miner payouts (per block found by the coinminer.net ATC pool) for the last ...~40h http://imgur.com/FxiLehu 501211;1392292256;herbijudlestoids;yesterday was getting ~4ATC per block, now ~1.4 501212;1392292424;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: The ATC orderbook 501213;1392292448;BingoBoingo;M mood might improve especially if 1000 satoshis is broken 501214;1392292471;BingoBoingo;I mean is this nigger history month or not? 501215;1392292491;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I'm sorry Abbo 501216;1392292495;herbijudlestoids;haha 501217;1392292518;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: orderbook looks pretty much the same as this morning? just one extra offer that has narrowed the spread by 5 satoshi 501218;1392292552;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: but if it stays under 1000 satoshis the Abbos win 501219;1392292655;herbijudlestoids;well you guys are the ones with all teh bitcoinz not me...you can clear out all the offers under 1000 by purchasing the 54387 on offer below that price :P 501220;1392292695;herbijudlestoids;(and hope nobody goes to the bids to sell) 501221;1392292715;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Nothing is official thought until a n00b makes a n00b decision 501222;1392292756;BingoBoingo;Nothing is worth anything without a credible niggers.txt and a watermelon 501223;1392292911;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 50 @ 0.0048 = 0.24 BTC [-] 501224;1392295330;herbijudlestoids;hullo ThickAsThieves 501225;1392295371;herbijudlestoids;looks like the reddit ATC thread got downvoted beyond -4 :( 501226;1392295380;ThickAsThieves;lol 501227;1392295383;ThickAsThieves;their loss 501228;1392295473;BingoBoingo;shame, such a think line between altcoin and moon 501229;1392295473;herbijudlestoids;i own some now ...310 as of the last bloc 501230;1392295490;BingoBoingo;.bait 501231;1392295491;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md1fbaETqT1reuoazo1_500.jpg 501232;1392295496;herbijudlestoids;mined teh new fashioned way 501233;1392295550;BingoBoingo;That bait has orders 501234;1392295555;BingoBoingo;Spank 501235;1392295560;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: got a wallet? ill send you one? :D 501236;1392295562;BingoBoingo;.bait 501237;1392295602;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: imgur.com/r/gonewild :) 501238;1392295670;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I'm a bigger fan of the dark chocolate 501239;1392295691;herbijudlestoids;surely some in there 501240;1392295722;ThickAsThieves;i haz some ATC now 501241;1392295730;ThickAsThieves;purchased on the black market 501242;1392295745;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/CoinedUp/comments/1xsqzq/how_to_add_altcoin_to_listings/ 501243;1392295967;herbijudlestoids;every fuckin night now a mosquito gets in my room 501244;1392295974;herbijudlestoids;and i gotta kill it before i go to bed lol 501245;1392295992;herbijudlestoids;sneaky quick fuckers 501246;1392296023;ThickAsThieves;bugs dont seem to like my blood much 501247;1392296083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.08179995 = 0.409 BTC [+] 501248;1392296239;herbijudlestoids;its the noise they make when theyre flying over your ear 501249;1392296252;herbijudlestoids;drives me insane 501250;1392296262;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Wait, you can hear bugs? 501251;1392296274;herbijudlestoids;never heard the mosquito noise BingoBoingo? 501252;1392296276;BingoBoingo;how do you not die in Australasia 501253;1392296285;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I'm nearly deaf 501254;1392296296;herbijudlestoids;very high pitched whine 501255;1392296306;herbijudlestoids;which oscillates as they fly around 501256;1392296322;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I played the tuba for 8+ years and the only casualty was my hearing 501257;1392296325;herbijudlestoids;usually theyre audible within about 20cm but it sounds like its right in your ear 501258;1392296345;herbijudlestoids;which 8+ years tho? cant believe you never heard a mosquito in your life 501259;1392296361;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I haven't heard one since 4th grade 501260;1392296385;herbijudlestoids;so but you know the noise :P 501261;1392296405;BingoBoingo;Roughly, can't swear to it though. It has been a while. 501262;1392296513;herbijudlestoids;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_All_Gone_Pete_Tong 501263;1392296612;ThickAsThieves;"This brings us nicely to possibly the biggest development in the crypto space for some time. The launch of Maxcoin, the cryptocurrency fronted by Max Keiser. " 501264;1392296642;BingoBoingo;Moar like Maxi coin, has the biggest wings to prevent leakage. 501265;1392296651;ThickAsThieves;mircea_popescu ^ for your blacklist: Investing.com, Jan Skoyles 501266;1392296668;herbijudlestoids;he not here, died of ping timeout 501267;1392296693;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00086994 = 10.6133 BTC [-] 501268;1392296695;BingoBoingo;I am Afro man, running through the forest from the ku klus klan 501269;1392296825;ThickAsThieves;looks like these guys actually host pools too http://coinex.pw/ 501270;1392296831;ThickAsThieves;pools and exchange 501271;1392296931;BingoBoingo;If anyone else wan't a tip from the breaking news department, I know the spoiler to Million Dollar Baby! 501272;1392296940;herbijudlestoids;here is an idea 501273;1392296948;herbijudlestoids;(if openex.pw had an API) 501274;1392296993;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I kinda has one 501275;1392297006;BingoBoingo;*it kinds has one 501276;1392297018;herbijudlestoids;a bot that makes the market in BTC/USD at the 0.5*(ATCdiff/BTCdiff)+0.5*(ATDnextdiff/BTCnextDiff) implied price 501277;1392297060;herbijudlestoids;even a small amount of BTC, say 0.01 would be able to offer a reasonable bid at say 0.005% off the implied price 501278;1392297084;herbijudlestoids;just gotta be willing to fund it with some more BTC if someone takes out the bids 501279;1392297145;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Altcoiners are hoarders 501280;1392297165;BingoBoingo;You need serious WOT to buy ALTCOIN at 500 Satoshis per 501281;1392297185;ThickAsThieves;? 501282;1392297189;BingoBoingo;This isn't last week when 160 Satoshis was generous 501283;1392297195;ThickAsThieves;lol 501284;1392297212;ThickAsThieves;herb i think ATC price isnt the lead, it is the follow 501285;1392297215;herbijudlestoids;so you reckon the risk isnt in someone selling their ATC into the bid but rather hoarders buying up whatever ATC are on the ask? 501286;1392297215;BingoBoingo;Last week 160 Satoshis per was nearly charity. 501287;1392297256;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Generally they don't buy the exchange's ask because this is Altcoin and they have WOT. 501288;1392297281;BingoBoingo;They buy at minimal over bids 501289;1392297299;herbijudlestoids;ok lets assume i have serious WOT, and the bot makes the market on -otc 501290;1392297313;herbijudlestoids;still same issue? 501291;1392297321;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: So who did you piss off to be so lonely? 501292;1392297331;herbijudlestoids;lol 501293;1392297347;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: If you have serious WOT the bot is at least going to jack you off. 501294;1392297378;BingoBoingo;(this is why kakobrekla doesn't have couches any moar) 501295;1392297425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00086989 = 3.3056 BTC [-] {2} 501296;1392297469;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: i guess thats the case for ATCUSD but im talking ATCBTC here 501297;1392297487;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1222 = 0.4888 BTC [+] 501298;1392297547;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1221 = 0.4884 BTC [-] {2} 501299;1392297731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00087435 = 2.7979 BTC [+] 501300;1392297853;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 501301;1392297954;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: any knowledge about this 42coin? i just noticed it on openex.pw, trading at 145 to the BTC?! 501302;1392297986;herbijudlestoids;oh right...only 42 coins ever mined 501303;1392298038;ThickAsThieves;hehe 501304;1392298049;ThickAsThieves;it's like a gem of gems 501305;1392298051;herbijudlestoids;pretty interesting i guess that people actually valued it like that 501306;1392298067;herbijudlestoids;most of the transactions are for small fractions obviously 501307;1392298086;herbijudlestoids;but still...why exactly, aside from scarcity is 42coin worth 145 bitcoins? 501308;1392298096;ThickAsThieves;it's not 501309;1392298139;herbijudlestoids;well its valued as such by some people who own some BTC 501310;1392298144;herbijudlestoids;some of a BTC :P 501311;1392298149;ThickAsThieves;right 501312;1392298220;herbijudlestoids;so its just a transaction network i guess 501313;1392298233;herbijudlestoids;coins are already mined, people harvesting transaction fees 501314;1392298463;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1221 = 0.2442 BTC [-] 501315;1392298531;davout;what's the reference BTCUSD rate used for options ? 501316;1392298631;davout;bitcoincharts 24h weighted average iirc 501317;1392298822;herbijudlestoids;davout: http://mpex.co/faq.html#25 501318;1392298829;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 501319;1392298840;ThickAsThieves;;;bc,24hprc 501320;1392298841;gribble;579.79 501321;1392298852;ThickAsThieves;still factoring gox 501322;1392299181;ThickAsThieves;http://businesstech.co.za/news/banking/53087/standark-bank-throws-out-bitcoin-idea/ 501323;1392299185;ThickAsThieves;“No customers participated in the pilot,” the bank added. 501324;1392299317;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [+] 501325;1392299318;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1221 = 0.2442 BTC [-] 501326;1392299319;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 501327;1392299500;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] 501328;1392299560;herbijudlestoids;http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2014/02/fusion-power-not-yet/?cid=co18503444 501329;1392299622;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221 BTC [-] 501330;1392299744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24314 @ 0.00087111 = 21.1802 BTC [-] 501331;1392300049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00087111 = 4.8782 BTC [-] 501332;1392300659;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 25 @ 0.0818 = 2.045 BTC [+] 501333;1392301147;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.5425 = 2.17 BTC [-] {2} 501334;1392301269;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5365 = 1.073 BTC [-] {2} 501335;1392301380;herbijudlestoids;bed 501336;1392302550;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00087174 = 17.2605 BTC [+] 501337;1392302916;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.0054524 = 0.2235 BTC [-] {3} 501338;1392303038;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.00545002 = 0.2889 BTC [-] {2} 501339;1392303099;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+] 501340;1392303221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30391 @ 0.00087002 = 26.4408 BTC [-] {3} 501341;1392303404;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 204 @ 0.00544903 = 1.1116 BTC [-] {3} 501342;1392303405;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+] 501343;1392303465;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.55 = 2.2 BTC [+] {2} 501344;1392303710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14195 @ 0.00086967 = 12.345 BTC [-] 501345;1392303770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17855 @ 0.00086963 = 15.5272 BTC [-] 501346;1392303820;jurov;should the niggers.txt meme get officially recognized on ud 501347;1392303832;jurov;it originated on 05 December 2013 here by me 501348;1392303873;jurov;(just for record) :D 501349;1392304197;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+] 501350;1392304258;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34478 @ 0.00087195 = 30.0631 BTC [+] {2} 501351;1392304258;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.123 BTC [+] 501352;1392304868;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+] 501353;1392304904;davout;jurov: you need some meme-DRM 501354;1392304930;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1789 @ 0.0001345 = 0.2406 BTC [+] {2} 501355;1392305112;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 501356;1392305295;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04720001 = 0.5664 BTC [-] 501357;1392305296;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.12210001 = 0.8547 BTC [-] {2} 501358;1392305796;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2014/02/nic-ssh-rootkit.htm 501359;1392305941;mike_c;oh my. "The current version simply sends the appropriate packets to vulnerable cards and updates them" 501360;1392306332;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210001 = 0.2442 BTC [-] 501361;1392306393;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 501362;1392307553;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.123 BTC [+] 501363;1392307614;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0716 = 0.1432 BTC [-] 501364;1392307615;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.123 = 0.246 BTC [+] 501365;1392307616;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 501366;1392307674;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 21 @ 0.0055 = 0.1155 BTC 501367;1392308284;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2002 @ 0.0001345 = 0.2693 BTC [+] {4} 501368;1392308345;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2129 @ 0.00013451 = 0.2864 BTC [+] 501369;1392308390;deadweasel;asciilifeform: that's a good read, ty. 501370;1392308833;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7000 @ 0.00013452 = 0.9416 BTC [+] 501371;1392308895;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0725 = 0.145 BTC [+] {2} 501372;1392308955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.123 = 0.369 BTC [+] 501373;1392309077;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 501374;1392309444;ThickAsThieves;;;ticker 501375;1392309446;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 646.0, Best ask: 649.34, Bid-ask spread: 3.34000, Last trade: 646.0, 24 hour volume: 14026.82715181, 24 hour low: 640.05, 24 hour high: 672.0, 24 hour vwap: 653.799495596 501376;1392309466;ThickAsThieves;;;ticker --gox 501377;1392309466;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message) 501378;1392309500;ThickAsThieves;;;ticker --market mtgox 501379;1392309501;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 485.805, Best ask: 490.027, Bid-ask spread: 4.22200, Last trade: 491.11, 24 hour volume: 24971.55702147, 24 hour low: 479.923, 24 hour high: 574.99999, 24 hour vwap: 512.87363 501380;1392309505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10563 @ 0.00087435 = 9.2358 BTC [+] 501381;1392309809;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00087435 = 12.8529 BTC [+] 501382;1392310785;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.59424026 BTC to 1`662 shares, 95923 satoshi per share 501383;1392310846;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.123 = 0.492 BTC [+] 501384;1392310847;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0715 = 0.286 BTC [-] 501385;1392310968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5272 @ 0.00087302 = 4.6026 BTC [-] 501386;1392311517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20347 @ 0.00087294 = 17.7617 BTC [-] {3} 501387;1392311578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00087436 = 3.8035 BTC [+] {2} 501388;1392312046;davout;reddit can be funny somertimes http://i.imgur.com/1n2KSUm.jpg 501389;1392312209;davout;haha 501390;1392312554;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12399999 BTC [+] 501391;1392312920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00087441 = 13.0724 BTC [+] 501392;1392313347;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210001 BTC [-] 501393;1392313591;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 49 @ 0.0049143 = 0.2408 BTC [+] 501394;1392313896;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.123 = 0.246 BTC [+] {2} 501395;1392313898;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 501396;1392314262;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.02637895 = 0.5276 BTC [+] {3} 501397;1392314323;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 82 @ 0.0033945 = 0.2783 BTC [+] 501398;1392314445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00087181 = 5.6232 BTC [-] 501399;1392316763;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1311 @ 0.00013725 = 0.1799 BTC [+] {4} 501400;1392317007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21778 @ 0.00087081 = 18.9645 BTC [-] 501401;1392317101;benkay;BingoBoingo: how much Satoshi have you collated? 501402;1392317186;HeySteve;hmm where is mirceau popescu tonight? 501403;1392317861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00087031 = 39.338 BTC [-] {4} 501404;1392318174;ThickAsThieves;http://i.imgur.com/Yplvqe1.jpg 501405;1392318288;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00083553 = 0.1671 BTC [+] {2} 501406;1392318385;dub;lol 501407;1392318410;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.07110001 = 0.1422 BTC [-] {2} 501408;1392318448;mircea_popescu;DECLARATION CERTIFIEE SINCERE 501409;1392318448;mircea_popescu;Votre Honneur, 501410;1392318448;mircea_popescu;Je suis 501411;1392318448;mircea_popescu;Mademoiselle Valrie TAGRO, jeune ivoirienne ge de 21 ans. Je suis une 501412;1392318448;mircea_popescu;ancienne laurate du concours de beaut Miss Cote D'Ivoire . 501413;1392318449;mircea_popescu;Je 501414;1392318450;mircea_popescu;suis aujourd'hui orpheline et je n'ai plus personne pour m'aider et pour 501415;1392318452;mircea_popescu;me guider. 501416;1392318485;mircea_popescu;somehow it sounds even dirtier in french 501417;1392318490;asciilifeform;gift from the spam gods? 501418;1392318569;mircea_popescu;yea 501419;1392318574;HeySteve2;ah, mircea_popescu. I was wondering you had any comment on "Pandacoin PANDA AKA The Asian Doge Coin / Doge 2.0" 501420;1392318591;mircea_popescu;sounds legit. 501421;1392318618;HeySteve2;it is due to be launched tomorrow, with lots of love from Doge pump and dumper Wolong 501422;1392318624;HeySteve2;pre-mine will be a modest 3% 501423;1392318639;mod6;sad panda 501424;1392318673;mircea_popescu;HeySteve2 does it have a sarcasm detection mechanism ? 501425;1392318741;HeySteve2;indeed, but I forgot the best feature. Wolong said he's ready to work with authorities to combat terrorism right in the announce thread 501426;1392318751;mircea_popescu;lol 501427;1392318763;mircea_popescu;what makes you think anyone asked "wolong" anything ? 501428;1392318817;HeySteve2;well, the coin launched with an open letter from Wolong. 501429;1392318833;HeySteve2;exciting stuff 501430;1392318839;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: from the Fun With Widgets dept.: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/nic-ssh-rootkit.htm 501431;1392318870;mircea_popescu;HeySteve2 i tell you i don't see it. 501432;1392318877;mircea_popescu;guy's not even in the wot. 501433;1392318887;HeySteve2;shocker 501434;1392318891;asciilifeform;tldr ver.: drive bus DMA over NIC with diddled ROM. 501435;1392318909;HeySteve2;well the link is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=460037.0 501436;1392318912;asciilifeform;fun for the whole family 501437;1392318914;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform omfg, look, slovenian! kakobrekla has been a bad boy! 501438;1392319016;mircea_popescu;Well, I would say that it took me approximately 500 man-hours to get to the stage of having a working "shell" 501439;1392319026;mircea_popescu;this security, that can be breached in 500 hours. 501440;1392319034;mircea_popescu;feels like we all live in barbie's townhouse. 501441;1392319118;mircea_popescu;Arrigo Triulzi: The only way would be trusted computing if implemented properly and without the DRM halo which it normally carries. 501442;1392319132;mircea_popescu;this is not actually correct. the correct way is triangular network designs. 501443;1392319149;mircea_popescu;much cheaper and definitely practical. 501444;1392319636;asciilifeform;those 'willing to open their third eye' will see the market for deliberately-minimal HW - e.g. NICs without general-purpose CPUs, etc. 501445;1392319691;asciilifeform;(wtf does a NIC need a dual-core MIPS?) 501446;1392319693;mircea_popescu;indeed. 501447;1392319720;mircea_popescu;which ironically will be a major chance for the third world. 501448;1392319741;mircea_popescu;it's funny how this battle goes over the years. africa, south america and central asia are colonised, because they suck. 501449;1392319747;mircea_popescu;so they suck colonist cock and try their best. 501450;1392319760;mircea_popescu;however, by the time they get their tech to the level of making their own lightbulbs and other peripherals 501451;1392319774;mircea_popescu;well suddenly the ex-colonizers decide the kind of lightbulbs they can make are illegal to use. 501452;1392319804;mircea_popescu;however, just about at the same time the most important industry of the colonizers, ie silicone processing, has "progressed" past the point of usefulness 501453;1392319832;mircea_popescu;which opens a door just in time. a brazilian made "ancient" technology nic could command a premium in the marketplace 501454;1392319851;mircea_popescu;all the while cisco reports quarters of zero sales 501455;1392319857;mircea_popescu;like it did last q. 501456;1392319874;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 501457;1392319914;mircea_popescu;logically we'd expect this producer to get no likes on facebook. 501458;1392319935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81495 @ 0.0008739 = 71.2185 BTC [+] {4} 501459;1392319935;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 250 @ 0.0055 = 1.375 BTC 501460;1392320301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5042 @ 0.0008698 = 4.3855 BTC [-] 501461;1392320362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63758 @ 0.00086877 = 55.391 BTC [-] {3} 501462;1392320390;ThickAsThieves;Bitcoin Now Accounts for 10% of Sales at Porn.com 501463;1392320452;ThickAsThieves;Porn.com sells bitcoins? 501464;1392320499;benkay;another 2 hour vm provisioning killed because apple kills the wifi card when the display goes off. 501465;1392320518;benkay;*raaaage* 501466;1392320565;ThickAsThieves;anyone know what the cool kids use to display custom fonts on websites these days? 501467;1392320613;davout;benkay: i've never experienced that 501468;1392320666;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves nah, but it sells very little porn. 501469;1392320679;mircea_popescu;benkay it does. 501470;1392320683;mircea_popescu;oops i mean davout it does. 501471;1392320708;mircea_popescu;chick has a tablet, can't be used for irc because apple has decided it will turn off devices. unless you root the shit you're stuck. 501472;1392320798;KRS-One;.bait 501473;1392320799;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt6p4bHQjY1qh9l2to1_500.jpg 501474;1392320855;davout;mircea_popescu: yeah ios sucks, but on a powered laptop or on a desktop the wifi doesn't go just because the display goes off 501475;1392320867;pankkake;ThickAsThieves: http://sixrevisions.com/css/font-face-guide/ https://www.google.com/fonts 501476;1392320889;davout;not sure about a laptop that's not plugged to the power 501477;1392320902;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would you run ios on anything but a tablet. 501478;1392320927;mircea_popescu;then again i guess who the fuck provisions vms from a tablet. 501479;1392320931;asciilifeform;if there's a widget other than phone/tablet that runs ios, this is news. 501480;1392320966;davout;mircea_popescu: yeah, irc on a tablet, bad idea, provisioning a vm on a tablet, that's too mainstream 501481;1392320995;mircea_popescu;uh 501482;1392320997;mircea_popescu;you can't even type. 501483;1392321006;asciilifeform;some people use tablets as 'dumb terminals.' 501484;1392321023;mircea_popescu;so how do you produce a tilde and three dashes ? you dictate it / 501485;1392321028;asciilifeform;(with keyboards plugged in) 501486;1392321030;davout;an ipad is a pretty good reddit terminal 501487;1392321033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27350 @ 0.00086857 = 23.7554 BTC [-] 501488;1392321040;mircea_popescu;a like that. kay. 501489;1392321049;mircea_popescu;how much is an apple kbd, 300 bucks ? 501490;1392321056;mircea_popescu;(no sarcasmo) 501491;1392321057;davout;100 eur last i checked 501492;1392321058;asciilifeform;takes standard 'bluetooth' kbd 501493;1392321065;davout;or 80 501494;1392321073;mircea_popescu;that should work then 501495;1392321084;davout;yeah, vim on an ipad with your bluetooth keyboard, now *that's* hip 501496;1392321097;mircea_popescu;seems for all the trouble you could have just had a dildo. 501497;1392321099;mircea_popescu;fuck me. 501498;1392321107;mircea_popescu;ok, this is rich : dildo shaped smartphone 501499;1392321115;mircea_popescu;you can just sit on it at your cafe while wearing a hat 501500;1392321121;mircea_popescu;and typing on your bluetooth kbd 501501;1392321135;davout;heh 501502;1392321144;mircea_popescu;anyone wants to use the phone they can just blow in your as. 501503;1392321155;asciilifeform;the 'tablet terminal' crap would probably vanish if <1kg laptops with 12+hr batteries were available. 501504;1392321187;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wtf do you care, you got a car anyway, right ? 501505;1392321204;davout;asciilifeform: the macbook air gets pretty close 501506;1392321207;mircea_popescu;i knew this fellow who had his trunk always full. 1-200 loaded laptop batteries/ 501507;1392321213;asciilifeform;not me. but people with certain odd habits (working in cafes, on the shitter, etc) 501508;1392321254;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: barely anything comes with removable batteries now. 501509;1392321274;mircea_popescu;apparently the best thing for a battery is for it to be charged, stored a week or two, discharged, recharged etc. 501510;1392321286;asciilifeform;depends on the cell chemistry 501511;1392321298;asciilifeform;Li cell wants to be kept ~70% full at all times, if i recall 501512;1392321307;asciilifeform;hates cycling; full discharge, even more. 501513;1392321313;mircea_popescu;didn't it have a memory effect ? 501514;1392321317;mircea_popescu;an you're supposed to fully draw it ? 501515;1392321319;asciilifeform;that's NiCD 501516;1392321327;mircea_popescu;so i guess this answers the q :D 501517;1392321339;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00299998 = 0.159 BTC [+] {2} 501518;1392321350;asciilifeform;Li cell is a scam on the consumer, really. more or less worthless after 2 yrs. or so. 501519;1392321363;mircea_popescu;"2 years should be enough for anybody" 501520;1392321377;ThickAsThieves;thanks pankkake, i will also look at your php thing tonight hopefully 501521;1392321382;mircea_popescu;srsly now... if you've not outgrown your toys in two years it's time for the parents to pack you off for the development specialist. you got issues. 501522;1392321425;asciilifeform;got a 16 yr. old lappy here. 501523;1392321450;CheckDavid; apparently the best thing for a battery is for it to be charged, stored a week or two, discharged, recharged etc. <-- what? 501524;1392321455;CheckDavid;the best thing? 501525;1392321465;mircea_popescu;yes. 501526;1392321473;asciilifeform;http://rche.kyushu-u.ac.jp/~hayashi/syumi/lib110s.jpg 501527;1392321478;asciilifeform;(not mine, but same) 501528;1392321490;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu, that is with the old batteries 501529;1392321517;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid well yeah, it emerged in the conversation. this was happening cca 2003 so i guess it checks out. 501530;1392321526;CheckDavid;oh 501531;1392321538;benkay;new laptops every year 501532;1392321541;benkay;classic hedonic treadmill 501533;1392321551;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform looks oddly soviet. 501534;1392321570;asciilifeform;it's brick-solid. 501535;1392321571;benkay;"oh and also we added new widgets to the UI and forced a push out to all boxen so here you go now your perfectly serviceable 2 year old device runs at 1/4 speed because ACCELEROMETER-CONNECTED UI WIDGETRY" 501536;1392321589;asciilifeform;one you learn to type with 8 fingers, it's among the best laptop kbds. 501537;1392321614;mircea_popescu;benkay heh who the fuck runs original os ontheir laptop. 501538;1392321616;asciilifeform;afaik, among the last laptops made in japan 501539;1392321627;benkay;mircea_popescu: us derpy web and interaction engineers 501540;1392321632;benkay;"engineers" 501541;1392321638;mircea_popescu;well fuck them then. 501542;1392321670;davout;mircea_popescu: i do, because saint jobs willed it that way 501543;1392321679;mircea_popescu;well fuck you then. 501544;1392321688;kakobrekla;evenin 501545;1392321688;benkay;i'm pretty sure my environment's attitude to me is "fuck you" anyways. 501546;1392321704;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00086847 = 16.7615 BTC [-] {2} 501547;1392321705;mircea_popescu;benkay it's what i'm sayin' :) 501548;1392321706;asciilifeform;also among the last laptops without built-in wireless or ethernet. 501549;1392321717;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla why did you break the nice guy's firewall ? 501550;1392321733;kakobrekla;heh yeah, thats old by now. 501551;1392321740;mircea_popescu;for shame. 501552;1392321765;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.003 = 0.9 BTC [+] 501553;1392321779;mircea_popescu;benkay speaking of the ui bs, ubuntu did the exact thing with its v12 501554;1392321779;benkay;mircea_popescu: some day this year we'll be able to afford an office 501555;1392321780;benkay;some day shortly after that i'm ditching laptops as a 'work' machine. 501556;1392321807;mircea_popescu;and yes i tell you, desktops are the best tops. 501557;1392321813;benkay;yeah 501558;1392321839;asciilifeform;laptops are not used 'from a good life.' 501559;1392321839;benkay;although babes want to consume television in various places around the house 501560;1392321843;kakobrekla;since when is this page up? 501561;1392321843;kakobrekla;http://alphatesters.secretbitcoinproject.com/ 501562;1392321844;ozbot;Secret Bitcoin Project - Come see. 501563;1392321844;benkay;i might just mandate that television watching happens on that thing in the corner. 501564;1392321884;kakobrekla;ITS SO FUCKIN SEKRIT WE DONT HAVE DEVS YET 501565;1392321892;Apocalyptic;heh 501566;1392321902;benkay;FUKKEN YEAH 501567;1392321905;benkay;IT HAS ROCKETS AND LASERS AND SHIT 501568;1392321913;kakobrekla;FUKKEN LAZERZ 501569;1392321917;davout;oh this... 501570;1392321917;kakobrekla;;;lasers 501571;1392321918;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 501572;1392321924;mircea_popescu; ITS SO FUCKIN SEKRIT WE DONT HAVE DEVS YET <<< lmao 501573;1392321933;kakobrekla;is true 501574;1392321940;kakobrekla;sez I'm hiring devs & a designer. Email me at jobs@secretbitcoinproject. on top 501575;1392321961;mircea_popescu;well i guess they owe you one then for advertising their shitty gem ? 501576;1392321972;kakobrekla;"i cant tell you what it is, you want to work on in?" "yes." 501577;1392321981;davout;kakobrekla: leave your e-mail, you'll be invited to put him in touch with devs 501578;1392321986;mircea_popescu;funny how people just rehash the same old scams. so bitcoin investment gems run dry ? it's okay, make doge, the altchain investment gem 501579;1392321995;mircea_popescu;it doesn't take money, lives off your redditardation. 501580;1392322002;mircea_popescu;now they have the same principle applied to hiring. 501581;1392322025;mircea_popescu;basically everythning the western world is capable of making anymore is powered by mass curiosity, boredom, fear, generally emotions. 501582;1392322035;mircea_popescu;we're reduced to an emotions mill. the only power we can still harness. 501583;1392322042;mircea_popescu;forget fire and waterfall. 501584;1392322079;benkay;fire and waterfall? 501585;1392322096;mircea_popescu;yes. fire and waterfall, the original things that europe used to fuck over the entire rest of the world. 501586;1392322146;benkay;waterfall as in 'software mgmt'? 501587;1392322151;benkay;wtf are you on about 501588;1392322152;mircea_popescu;no dude, as in water falling 501589;1392322156;kakobrekla;lolz 501590;1392322161;davout;lel 501591;1392322161;kakobrekla;hahaha 501592;1392322167;mircea_popescu;this was pretty good 501593;1392322199;assbot;Last 25 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1614967/plain/) 501594;1392322199;kakobrekla;!b 25 501595;1392322199;benkay;the depths of my ignorance... 501596;1392322224;mircea_popescu;you know, originally it went like fire -> metalworking -big jump-> firearms 501597;1392322234;mircea_popescu;waterfalling -> mills -big jump-> steam power 501598;1392322258;benkay;yeah i got there eventually 501599;1392322259;kakobrekla;waterfalling -> put off the fire -> metalworking with cold metal 501600;1392322260;mircea_popescu;both the big jumps are simply switching to a different, more powerful, cheaper, easier to deploy aspect of the same principle 501601;1392322269;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla heretic 501602;1392322275;kakobrekla;:> 501603;1392322335;kakobrekla;bbl 501604;1392322469;benkay;is it so surprising, though mircea_popescu? the us is the land of 'get rich quick accidentally'. people don't understand the world at all, so anything mysterious might make them rich as they don't understand things to begin with. 501605;1392322502;mircea_popescu;it didn't use to be. 501606;1392322559;benkay;long long time ago 501607;1392322588;benkay;"i can still remember when/the us used to get shit done" 501608;1392322628;benkay;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAsV5-Hv-7U#t=8 501609;1392322629;ozbot;Don McLean- American Pie (with Lyrics) - YouTube 501610;1392322838;mircea_popescu;i liked the madonna version. 501611;1392322840;mircea_popescu;am i evil ? 501612;1392322924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00086742 = 41.9831 BTC [-] {4} 501613;1392323007;benkay;oh god 501614;1392323010;benkay;so america 501615;1392323045;benkay;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQVieEO6GuU 501616;1392323046;ozbot;Madonna - American Pie - YouTube 501617;1392323102;mircea_popescu;indeed. 501618;1392323103;mircea_popescu;http://coinbits.com/2013/02/04/stage-n-bitcoin-exists-pe-trilema-un-blog-de-mircea-popescu/ 501619;1392323105;ozbot;Stage n: Bitcoin exists. pe Trilema – Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | Bitcoin News Bits - CoinBits.co 501620;1392323116;mircea_popescu;check out these fuckwits. "here's a scathing mp article we stole. would you like to buy ripples now ?" 501621;1392323242;mike_c;that link redirected me to some scam site.. 501622;1392323250;asciilifeform;they lifted some turd from my site a while ago, too 501623;1392323306;mike_c;who are these people betting 20 satoshis on JD? how is that fun? 501624;1392323351;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0054 = 0.162 BTC [-] 501625;1392323368;mike_c;he won 1 satoshi. he'll be rich soon. 501626;1392323370;mike_c;https://just-dice.com/roll/628591801 501627;1392323521;Apocalyptic;hey mike_c, working on the JD investment analysis ? 501628;1392323560;mike_c;yeah. 501629;1392323780;mircea_popescu;mike_c maybe testing the randomness ? 501630;1392323796;mircea_popescu;or maybe just you know, the bottom of a monte carlo. 501631;1392323801;asciilifeform;haha, anybody run 'dieharder' on JD/SD/etc. ? 501632;1392323810;mircea_popescu;mike_c might. 501633;1392323814;mircea_popescu;hey mike, you know diehard/er ? 501634;1392323825;asciilifeform;to the victor go the spoils. 501635;1392323853;mike_c;if i don't publish anything you'll know what the results were :) 501636;1392323869;mircea_popescu;lolwut ? 501637;1392323911;mike_c;you'll know it's not so random. 501638;1392323916;Apocalyptic;heh 501639;1392323935;Apocalyptic;and we'll know that you're slowly drying out the investment pool 501640;1392323950;mircea_popescu;why would you not publish if it came out rotten ?! 501641;1392323955;mircea_popescu;o hahaha 501642;1392323958;Apocalyptic;cuz he be stealin yo 501643;1392323963;mircea_popescu;i have my slow moments 501644;1392323974;asciilifeform;well, taking the whole piggy home is a kind of 'publish.' 501645;1392323998;mircea_popescu;i put a lookout for the "mysterious m_c player emptied jd bank" threads 501646;1392323999;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, that's why he would have to do it wisely and blame good luck 501647;1392324022;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3200 @ 0.00016999 = 0.544 BTC [+] {4} 501648;1392324032;asciilifeform;see 'The Eudaemonic Pie.' 501649;1392324103;asciilifeform;always seemed to be like 'provably fair' dice is inherently at odds with sane rng. 501650;1392324134;mircea_popescu;fun twist : http://trilema.com/2011/earth-hour-s-o-facem-lata/ back in march 2011 i got pissed off at earth hour and declared i will plug everything i nthe house and make my vid card go 100% just so! 501651;1392324136;asciilifeform;that is, you're stuck with prng. 501652;1392324145;mircea_popescu;then a few months later i got the gift of bitcoin 501653;1392324149;mircea_popescu;and i never had to do this since. 501654;1392324168;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how you reason ? 501655;1392324190;asciilifeform;well, the whole concept, as i understand, is based on using a prng and disclosing seeds periodically. 501656;1392324222;mircea_popescu;yeah, but inasmuch as you rely in any fashion on blockchain generated numbers 501657;1392324225;asciilifeform;when using a trng, there is no way to mechanically prove that you are doing so 501658;1392324226;mircea_popescu;they're an actual rng 501659;1392324260;asciilifeform;any rng where a planet full of bozos contributes to the state is arguably questionable 501660;1392324266;mircea_popescu;no question 501661;1392324272;mircea_popescu;but questionable or not it is still a rng 501662;1392324310;asciilifeform;sort of like if a casino let the crowd piss on the roulette wheel. 501663;1392324314;mircea_popescu;yes but see 501664;1392324321;mircea_popescu;once you have an actual rng, there's tricks to fix it 501665;1392324326;mircea_popescu;like the coin flip etc 501666;1392324339;asciilifeform;this only works against 'natural' bias. 501667;1392324351;mircea_popescu;but planet full of bozos...well... 501668;1392324358;mircea_popescu;a good approximation of nature, at the very least 501669;1392324370;pankkake;mircea_popescu did it in Romanian, pankkake did it in French http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2011/03/26/lheure-de-la-terre/ 501670;1392324387;mircea_popescu;pankkake together with our powers combined we are 501671;1392324406;mircea_popescu;SERGEANT BITCOIN! 501672;1392324418;pankkake;capitaine planète ! 501673;1392324422;mircea_popescu;fucking hell same day too. 501674;1392324452;mircea_popescu;Pour manifester mon soutien cette initiative trop peu mdiatise, jai teint 20h30 les deux ampoules LED qui mclairaient. 501675;1392324452;mircea_popescu;Puis jai mis en route un sche-linge, deux plaques lectriques, et un emerge -u1avDN world, le tout en musique grce un ampli tubes. Comme il faisait un peu noir jai allum les 8 ampoules halognes qui taient ma disposition. Et comme il faisait un peu chaud avec tout a, jai ouvert la porte de mon rfrigrateur. 501676;1392324454;mircea_popescu;win. 501677;1392324466;asciilifeform;(actual scene from that dreadful show) 501678;1392324467;pankkake;anyway, those things don't reduce electrical consumption and just create more problems for power plants :p 501679;1392324475;mircea_popescu;pankkake yep. 501680;1392324484;mircea_popescu;the best part to my taste is this :? 501681;1392324486;pankkake;so we saved the word 501682;1392324493;pankkake;world 501683;1392324507;mircea_popescu;the coal burning power plants release X mercury into atmosphere as part of their working. 501684;1392324519;mircea_popescu;ceteris paribus the halogen lamps reduce this to about .4 X 501685;1392324535;mircea_popescu;however they contain between .7 X and 2.2 X mercury in themselves. 501686;1392324557;mircea_popescu;so you know, instead of having that thing settle somewhere in the desert, it simply got moved in your kitchen. 501687;1392324564;mircea_popescu;this is the whole of the progress involved. 501688;1392324565;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you're thinking of 'fluorescent' tube, rather than halogen 501689;1392324576;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes yes 501690;1392324602;benkay;think also of all the energy recoverable from the mass headed towards the landfill 501691;1392324604;mircea_popescu;the philips shits 501692;1392324611;asciilifeform;holy trio, 'expensive/shoddy/deadly' 501693;1392324625;asciilifeform;of envirowhinerism. 501694;1392324629;mircea_popescu;http://zeiss-campus.magnet.fsu.edu/articles/lightsources/images/mercurylampsfigure1.jpg 501695;1392324637;mircea_popescu;actually... you know. 501696;1392324695;asciilifeform;FL isn't a hg arc lamp, the 'fluorescent' refers to the inner coating of the bulb, well, fluorescing. 501697;1392324712;asciilifeform;you can get pretty much any spectrum you want (other than blackbody) - just buy the right rare earths. 501698;1392324724;mircea_popescu;http://zeiss-campus.magnet.fsu.edu/articles/lightsources/mercuryarc.html a good article overall 501699;1392324725;ozbot;ZEISS Microscopy Online Campus | Mercury Arc Lamps 501700;1392324750;asciilifeform;hg arc is typically found in high-end microscopes, etc 501701;1392324789;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, this is the thing : http://www.edisontechcenter.org/lighting/mercVapor/MercGlowDiagram.jpg 501702;1392324790;pankkake;overall I like the halogen replacements. they definitely are not low consumption but they seem to last longer 501703;1392324842;benkay;i'm a huge fan of the pot lights 501704;1392324868;benkay;we installed one in a shop of mine once 501705;1392324880;davout;pankkake: haha i remember reading this article a while ago, awsum 501706;1392324882;benkay;we'd work until 8, 9 pm before realizing it was dark outside 501707;1392324904;benkay;shitloads of flux, tuned for summer spectrum 501708;1392324926;pankkake;ideally I'd have the lights follow the cycle of day 501709;1392324929;benkay;made me so dang happy! 501710;1392324932;benkay;had so much energy, it was amazing. 501711;1392324932;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 501712;1392324949;pankkake;like http://jonls.dk/redshift/ 501713;1392324957;asciilifeform;pankkake: I'd have the lights follow the cycle of day << submarine? 501714;1392324959;asciilifeform;or so i recall 501715;1392324990;benkay;pankkake: i want to sleep in a completely-blacked out room that spins up the lights with the daylight. 501716;1392324994;benkay;that's the kind of home remodeling i can get into... 501717;1392325041;ThickAsThieves;"Is there anything the Bitcoin Foundation can do to help solve this problem?" 501718;1392325046;mircea_popescu;maybe we could all get submarines 501719;1392325050;mircea_popescu;with hashing 501720;1392325051;ThickAsThieves;Karpeles: "The Bitcoin Foundation has hired Bitcoin Developers for the purpose of promoting Bitcoin use. I guess the most puzzling part is why this issue hasn’t be[en] solved since 2011." 501721;1392325064;davout;http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/02/13/silk-road-2-hacked-bitcoins-stolen-unknown-amount/ <<<< so much win 501722;1392325066;ozbot;Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen : ~4474.26BTC | Deep Dot Web 501723;1392325075;mircea_popescu;yeah it was up like two weeks 501724;1392325109;Duffer1;who could have seen that coming 501725;1392325113;Duffer1;:/ 501726;1392325114;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves "because they were saving it so karpeles could offer a "credible" lie as to why his well known fractional reserve scam blew open" ? 501727;1392325115;asciilifeform;seacoin. 501728;1392325135;mircea_popescu;funny tho, he couldn't find investors fast enough. 501729;1392325152;mircea_popescu;then the investors who he did find that didn't heed my "you will be butchered" warning got their fingers caught. 501730;1392325157;mircea_popescu;so much sadness everywhere. 501731;1392325175;ThickAsThieves;"First off, Facebook says that San Francisco residents have the smallest chance of getting into a relationship among people in any of the 50 largest American cities." 501732;1392325184;asciilifeform;http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/01/05/bank-zachodni-wbk-cashing-out-bitcoin-through-prepaid-visa-cards/ 501733;1392325185;ozbot;Bank Zachodni WBK – Cashing out Bitcoin through Prepaid VISA Cards | Deep Dot Web 501734;1392325186;ThickAsThieves;lol 501735;1392325197;asciilifeform;at some point these folks will grow brains 501736;1392325199;asciilifeform;and do it right. 501737;1392325205;Duffer1;"Our initial investigations indicate that a vendor exploited a recently discovered vulnerability in the Bitcoin protocol known as “transaction malleability” to repeatedly withdraw coins from our system until it was completely empty." 501738;1392325241;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well... not these folks. but maybe some other folks. 501739;1392325254;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 "recently discovered in 2011" lolz. 501740;1392325261;mircea_popescu;trace that "vendor", it's them. 501741;1392325287;mircea_popescu;perfect excuse to the "we run off with teh coin" thing. much better than the used up "we were haxed" workhorse. 501742;1392325297;Duffer1;yea that's my thoughts 501743;1392325309;mircea_popescu;anyway, i guess it's time for a mtgox burial article. 501744;1392325428;jborkl;if you can not trust your two week old internet drug dealer-- what is next? 501745;1392325608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00086705 = 3.2948 BTC [-] 501746;1392325791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9233 @ 0.0008694 = 8.0272 BTC [+] {3} 501747;1392325852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11567 @ 0.00087372 = 10.1063 BTC [+] 501748;1392325913;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04716666 = 0.283 BTC [-] {2} 501749;1392326341;benkay;pretty astonishing number of coins hitting these mktplacen 501750;1392326584;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00087343 = 9.6951 BTC [-] {2} 501751;1392326828;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 71 @ 0.04614534 = 3.2763 BTC [-] {8} 501752;1392326981;mircea_popescu;!t h rent 501753;1392326982;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (551 shares, 3.03050000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (29503 shares, 162.26650000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (29503 shares, 162.26650000 BTC) 501754;1392327012;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 49 @ 0.0472 = 2.3128 BTC [+] {2} 501755;1392327013;mircea_popescu;benkay i have my doubts 4k btc found their way to said dubious sr thing. 501756;1392327032;mircea_popescu;basically you have two unreconciliable "realities", and only one is real. 501757;1392327056;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: 'strategic...' piece: DMA is an artifact from single-cpu days. 501758;1392327090;mircea_popescu;so it is 501759;1392327094;mircea_popescu;back then it was safe. 501760;1392327104;asciilifeform;solves the problem of 'how do i throw bits out (say,) the DAC, at X kHZ, regardless of what load OS is grunting under.' 501761;1392327133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00087475 = 24.5367 BTC [+] {3} 501762;1392327133;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04896982 = 0.9794 BTC [+] {4} 501763;1392327194;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04870569 = 0.5845 BTC [-] {4} 501764;1392327214;bloctoc;I wonder how long it will take for the phrase "Silk Road" to replace the word "Al Quaida" as American Press' most feared thingy. 501765;1392327249;asciilifeform;nah, they'll just say 'wreckers' (or some suitably anglicised equivalent) and be done with it. 501766;1392327277;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2013#1764 since im digging up the logs 501767;1392327280;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 501768;1392327316;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00295642 = 1.1826 BTC [-] {5} 501769;1392327338;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ever happened? 501770;1392327345;mircea_popescu;what ? 501771;1392327363;asciilifeform;'a "good enough" clone that meets the basic criterion of "not being an outright scam'... 501772;1392327368;asciilifeform;or wrong link? 501773;1392327374;mircea_popescu;well not afaik 501774;1392327377;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.04896983 = 1.0773 BTC [+] {2} 501775;1392327385;mircea_popescu;the problem with both of those being that they're not engineering terms. 501776;1392327411;mircea_popescu;ie, the appearance and the reality easily cleaves (a word is an engineering term if appearance and reality never cleave) 501777;1392327412;asciilifeform;true. 501778;1392327422;mircea_popescu;and the criterion is attached to the reality rather than the appearance. 501779;1392327439;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00282401 = 1.6944 BTC [-] {12} 501780;1392327459;asciilifeform;question should've been more specific: 'what if' a 'soviet clone' of mpex, that is, one which bows in agreement to all of the technical decisions. 501781;1392327499;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 907 @ 0.00040763 = 0.3697 BTC [-] {6} 501782;1392327500;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.04896984 = 1.4201 BTC [+] 501783;1392327501;asciilifeform;although at the time i asked this question, i was not fully aware of the 'birdlessness' of the field. 501784;1392327512;asciilifeform;('in the birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale') 501785;1392327604;mircea_popescu;indeed. 501786;1392327606;mircea_popescu;so... why not ? 501787;1392327610;mircea_popescu;because it's hard. 501788;1392327616;asciilifeform;right. 501789;1392327617;mircea_popescu;could a soviet soldier be replaced by any other man ? 501790;1392327621;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.04897985 = 0.8327 BTC [+] 501791;1392327625;mircea_popescu;sure, just as soon as that other man is willing to eat dog. 501792;1392327664;mircea_popescu;it's not hard in a technological sense, that's the easy part (even if it's what the emotion mill people seem to stumble over) 501793;1392327682;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.002803 = 2.803 BTC [-] {4} 501794;1392327683;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.04898712 = 1.7635 BTC [+] {2} 501795;1392327711;mircea_popescu;kind of what we're doing here, for that matter. trying to breed the sort of people that can compete with mpex. 501796;1392327743;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04999993 = 1 BTC [+] 501797;1392327805;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.0262 = 0.2358 BTC [-] 501798;1392327987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3000 @ 0.00279843 = 8.3953 BTC [-] {7} 501799;1392328026;asciilifeform;re: DMA: it, in itself, is not the problem. the problem, as always, is in the 'mouse-breeding kitchen' of the PC arch. in general. 501800;1392328047;ThickAsThieves;"We do respect your answer to this thread, but we do not like that you emidialty put your label "scammy" on our project." 501801;1392328049;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 168 @ 0.04999994 = 8.4 BTC [+] {2} 501802;1392328156;Duffer1;does it ever stop? 501803;1392328162;Duffer1;nevermind 501804;1392328292;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04999995 = 0.2 BTC [+] 501805;1392328353;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00039095 = 0.7819 BTC [-] {9} 501806;1392328354;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.04999995 = 0.55 BTC [+] 501807;1392328414;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04999995 = 0.75 BTC [+] {2} 501808;1392328415;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 58 @ 0.0055 = 0.319 BTC 501809;1392328417;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 400 @ 0.00038105 = 0.1524 BTC [-] {2} 501810;1392328475;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04999995 = 0.15 BTC [+] 501811;1392328476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7654 @ 0.00087297 = 6.6817 BTC [-] 501812;1392328597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22950 @ 0.00087067 = 19.9819 BTC [-] {2} 501813;1392328597;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 124 @ 0.04999996 = 6.2 BTC [+] {3} 501814;1392328658;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04999996 = 0.75 BTC [+] {2} 501815;1392328659;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.0756925 = 0.6055 BTC [-] {5} 501816;1392328719;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.04999996 = 1.55 BTC [+] {3} 501817;1392328720;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 243 @ 0.002798 = 0.6799 BTC [-] {3} 501818;1392328841;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05500014 = 0.275 BTC [+] 501819;1392328872;asciilifeform;DMA is also not really confined to PC arch; there's the fact that all recent (20 yrs. or so) DRAM works best in 'burst mode' 501820;1392328891;asciilifeform;that is, addr is clocked in, and auto-incremented for N cycles 501821;1392328949;asciilifeform;since a 'von-neumann style' cpu cannot guarantee 'paying attention' for a sufficiently-large N of cycles, we get dma. 501822;1392328987;asciilifeform;to understand 'burst', see any sdram datasheet, e.g. http://download.micron.com/pdf/datasheets/dram/sdram/512MbSDRAM.pdf 501823;1392329102;asciilifeform;i mention this in the hope of making it clear how pervasive the architectural problem mentioned in MP's piece is. 501824;1392329146;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.0818 = 0.409 BTC [+] 501825;1392329162;benkay;much informative! 501826;1392329171;benkay;big problem. 501827;1392329199;asciilifeform;that is, not the fact of dma being satanic in and of itself (it isn't), but just how thoroughly hardware designers are enslaved by architectural oddness beyond their control. 501828;1392329225;asciilifeform;e.g. support PCI or die, support consumer SDRAM sticks or die, etc. 501829;1392329255;ThickAsThieves;mircea_popescu lawsky wants you to write more blogs to tell him how to make the bitlicense regulations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhIZd9b2-Qs#t=697 501830;1392329316;mircea_popescu;can i has summary ? 501831;1392329336;asciilifeform;virtually no one gets to 'design a computer' now. (not apple, either.) they get to glue the same old crap together in mildly-different ways. 501832;1392329374;ThickAsThieves;it's long... 501833;1392329387;ThickAsThieves;about 11min he starts saying that 501834;1392329397;ThickAsThieves;and then gives some examples of things he's considering 501835;1392329405;asciilifeform;if fpga with published internal specs existed (as it did in 1994, say) but of modern proportions, this could change. 501836;1392329463;Duffer1;"think of it as open-source code regulation" 501837;1392329563;asciilifeform;(see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-12-2013#432845 and below) 501838;1392329573;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0698 = 0.349 BTC [+] 501839;1392329593;kakobrekla;http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.msg5113566#msg5113566 501840;1392329595;ozbot;So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right? 501841;1392329605;kakobrekla;zomg wtf is this some new levels of sarcasm i dont get?=! 501842;1392330061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18771 @ 0.00086941 = 16.3197 BTC [-] 501843;1392330657;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/mtgox-and-ancient-bitcoin-history-the-straight-dope/ 501844;1392330658;ozbot;MtGox and ancient Bitcoin history - the straight dope. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 501845;1392330705;mircea_popescu;rassah is back ?! 501846;1392330732;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 580 @ 0.0001734 = 0.1006 BTC [+] {9} 501847;1392330754;kakobrekla;what is this article about, anyway. 501848;1392330756;kakobrekla;take a look 501849;1392330757;kakobrekla;http://images.bwbx.io/cms/2013-05-31/0531_gigaOM_630x354.jpg 501850;1392330767;kakobrekla;scissors and tape 501851;1392330776;kakobrekla;mtgox - making collages since bitcoin 501852;1392330793;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1426 @ 0.00017948 = 0.2559 BTC [+] {7} 501853;1392330840;decimation;ascii - in your article the interviewer proposes fixing the diddled NIC with a TPM chip - lel 501854;1392330846;kakobrekla;is this rassah some idiot i forgot about? 501855;1392330848;decimation;need a TPM in my mouse 501856;1392330861;decimation;And a TPM in my TPM 501857;1392330939;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla well old timer, was really excited when btc broke 30, posted a story on forum about how he bought btc w/o his partner's knowledge out of their savbings, then sold out and bought a car 501858;1392330943;mircea_popescu;for great profit 501859;1392330956;mircea_popescu;but then as btc exploded i kind-of lost track 501860;1392331000;mircea_popescu;karpeles looks like he's writing php 501861;1392331024;kakobrekla;bought a fucking car. why does this ring a bell. 501862;1392331034;mircea_popescu;because people. and cars. 501863;1392331071;mircea_popescu;hey k: Advance Domain Availability Notice:You may be interested in joshzerlan.com, which will be available by auction soon. 501864;1392331087;kakobrekla;i got taht shit too. 501865;1392331106;kakobrekla;well done! 501866;1392331130;mircea_popescu;they're srsly handspamming us ? 501867;1392331171;kakobrekla;i have no other explanation 501868;1392331178;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/the-bitcoin-conference-nobody-went-to/ << 2012 stuff. "10% return on my S.MPOE trade today yesss 4.5 BTC" ; "It was a once in a lifetime opportunity I bought all that was available below 36000" 501869;1392331179;ozbot;The Bitcoin Conference Nobody Went To pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 501870;1392331256;mod6;mp: nice write up on gox 501871;1392331306;mircea_popescu;mod6 im sure it'll be all the rage on reddit. 501872;1392331342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21363 @ 0.00086705 = 18.5228 BTC [-] 501873;1392331647;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0053534 = 0.5353 BTC [-] {3} 501874;1392331708;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2585 @ 0.00017998 = 0.4652 BTC [+] {4} 501875;1392331718;mod6;lol one guy in r/mtgox was just trying to buy someones account 501876;1392331720;mod6;http://www.reddit.com/r/MtGox/comments/1xu56k/does_anyone_want_to_sell_me_there_mt_gox_account/ 501877;1392331721;ozbot;Does anyone want to sell me there MT Gox account ? : MtGox 501878;1392331725;mod6;kids these days.. 501879;1392331727;Bugpowder;Thinknig of making some more money on S.MPOE... just need to get the new key working with pyMPEX 501880;1392331807;mircea_popescu;mod6 link him to the earlier discussion here ? 501881;1392331961;mod6;Bug: should just be able to add the new key to your keyring and then grab the latest version 501882;1392331972;mod6;if it's got this line: self._mpex_fingerprint = 'A57D509A' [ you should be ok ] 501883;1392331986;mod6;mircea_popescu: ahh, I would, don't have reddit acct. 501884;1392332024;mod6;maybe I can just make an anon comment? /me tries 501885;1392332030;mircea_popescu;mod6 that's their curse, nobody with a clue has accounts 501886;1392332034;mircea_popescu;eh let it be, makes no diff. 501887;1392332053;mod6;ahh, ok. 501888;1392332090;mike_c;Bugpowder: have you seen herbi's charts? I think he decided if you see between 7 and 9 downward ticks you buy immediately for fast profits! 501889;1392332100;mod6;lol "Moderators: MagicalTux" :: He'd prolly just delete the post. 501890;1392332151;Bugpowder;I'll give it a try again. I have a bit of an issue because I use a sub key for my own key and need to specify it directly in the pyMPEX script. 501891;1392332190;mod6;ahh 501892;1392332227;mircea_popescu;mod6 i doubt he has the time for anything these days. 501893;1392332263;mod6;too busy programming strange things in php 501894;1392332265;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder how did that hk thing work in the end ? 501895;1392332319;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.0053138 = 0.2497 BTC [-] {6} 501896;1392332325;Bugpowder;China spread collapsed before we could set it up 501897;1392332353;Bugpowder;but it was good to talk to a good lawyer team about bitcoin financial issues 501898;1392332359;mircea_popescu;spreads will rise again. 501899;1392332366;BingoBoingo;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1xufu4/mtgox_and_ancient_bitcoin_history/ 501900;1392332366;ozbot;MtGox and ancient Bitcoin history : Bitcoin 501901;1392332386;mircea_popescu;lol stealth 501902;1392332409;mircea_popescu;pretty much the only thing one can say about 2014 btc/fiat is "spreads" 501903;1392332440;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 723 @ 0.00018181 = 0.1314 BTC [+] {3} 501904;1392332607;herbijudlestoids;hullo ladies/gents 501905;1392332623;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 912 @ 0.00018219 = 0.1662 BTC [+] {3} 501906;1392332639;mircea_popescu;Add to the very narrow margins and very active competition the burden of regulatory infringement. Money changers are spending as it is now literally immense sums (in Bitcoin terms) to try and mostly comply with obscure and convoluted regulation, which they cant avoid or ignore because theyre always stuck with one foot in fiat. In exchange for this draining expenditure they are receiving nothing at all, certainly 501907;1392332640;mircea_popescu;not the protection of their etatist overlords. 501908;1392332640;mircea_popescu;Theyre not in fact receiving as much as recognition of status or effort, they find themselves in the untenable position of a poor immigrant who is spending all his wages and borrowing at unbearable, immigrant-ghetto rates to buy flowers and wine for some local beauty who barely even registers their desperation or even presence. 501909;1392332643;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/why-smpoe-is-worth-more-than-mtgox/ 501910;1392332643;ozbot;Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 501911;1392332649;mircea_popescu;god i wish i was a girl so i could fuck myself. 501912;1392332658;KRS-One;i would fondle my boobies. 501913;1392332660;KRS-One;.bait 501914;1392332661;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxjv54XLIw1qd33kzo1_500.jpg 501915;1392332668;KRS-One;pfft 501916;1392332669;KRS-One;.bait 501917;1392332684;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.54 = 1.62 BTC [-] 501918;1392332685;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m28dw85scM1qducgxo1_1280.jpg 501919;1392332689;mircea_popescu;what pff, you discriminate against onelegged women ? 501920;1392332695;herbijudlestoids;last night i put 10ATC onto openex in a cascade limit 501921;1392332697;imsaguy;hi 501922;1392332698;herbijudlestoids;just to see what would happen 501923;1392332705;KRS-One;I demand a certain quality of bait. 501924;1392332711;herbijudlestoids;all the way down to 1 satoshi over the highest bid 501925;1392332719;mircea_popescu;imsaguy ello 501926;1392332725;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids so what happened ? 501927;1392332732;imsaguy;ltns 501928;1392332733;herbijudlestoids;went to the bathroom and someone had cleared about 5.25 out 501929;1392332736;herbijudlestoids;by the time igot back 501930;1392332745;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.065 = 0.26 BTC [-] 501931;1392332753;mircea_popescu;at 600 ?! 501932;1392332758;herbijudlestoids;no 501933;1392332764;herbijudlestoids;from 201 to 275 501934;1392332772;herbijudlestoids;i had it in 0.125 and 0.5ATC increments 501935;1392332777;mircea_popescu;herbi, how would you like to be my atc daytrader on openex ? 501936;1392332785;herbijudlestoids;lol 501937;1392332806;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 70909 @ 0.00019548 = 13.8613 BTC [+] {37} 501938;1392332818;herbijudlestoids;will you send me some BTC to actually limit bid the market? 501939;1392332831;herbijudlestoids;or do i have to take some ATC hits to generate my own BTC to limit the market 501940;1392332831;mircea_popescu;no, ima send you some atc. 501941;1392332849;Bugpowder;Is ATC listed on cryptsy yet? 501942;1392332851;herbijudlestoids;yea well its kinda fuckin hard to be a successful daytrader in a 0 liquidity market :P 501943;1392332860;pankkake;what, under 500 satoshi?! I should have sold all my stuff to jurov! 501944;1392332861;herbijudlestoids;unless i have the fund to make my own market 501945;1392332862;mircea_popescu;if it's hard when it's easy then it's hard permanently. 501946;1392332867;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1408 @ 0.00019999 = 0.2816 BTC [+] 501947;1392332876;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder nah, i don't think we like cryptsy. 501948;1392332883;mircea_popescu;actually, do we like crypsy ? 501949;1392332890;herbijudlestoids;i dun think we do 501950;1392332897;KRS-One;i think crypsy sucks ass 501951;1392332906;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you're the scamspert, do you like cryptsy ? 501952;1392332908;herbijudlestoids;certainly not the xchange iv been hearing ThickAsThieves talking about 501953;1392332915;herbijudlestoids;hes mentioning other ones iirc 501954;1392332918;KRS-One;LOL scamspert 501955;1392332918;pankkake;I use cryptsy… but it's so broken 501956;1392332919;mircea_popescu;mkay then. we don't like cryptsy. 501957;1392332922;jurov;pankkake :> 501958;1392332929;pankkake;auto sell doesn't work anymore 501959;1392332929;mircea_popescu;pankkake heretic 501960;1392332934;Apocalyptic; Bugpowder nah, i don't think we like cryptsy. // we certainly don't 501961;1392332936;pankkake;so I am forced to use that horrible interface 501962;1392332952;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids so you game or what ? 501963;1392332971;pankkake;I guess I could use btc-e for what I do (sell primecoin) 501964;1392332974;Bugpowder;I like cryptsy's order matching 501965;1392332983;mike_c;mircea_popescu: the "vendor expoliting tx malleability until our wallet was empty" was the silk road excuse, not the mtgox excuse i believe 501966;1392332983;Bugpowder;it's so brillian 501967;1392332984;pankkake;because it's buggy? :) 501968;1392332989;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 40417 @ 0.00021994 = 8.8893 BTC [+] {25} 501969;1392332994;mircea_popescu;mike_c :) 501970;1392333024;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/1615275/ 501971;1392333024;ozbot;dpaste: #1615275 501972;1392333028;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: like i said. the market has no liquidity, which makes the only game in town worth playing, making markets. if i cant make on both sides of the book, then its basically me just selling ATC arbitrarily, or i gotta take some initial losses to generate BTC from ATC sales and use those small amount of BTC to make the bids 501973;1392333047;mike_c;hehe 501974;1392333048;mike_c;ok 501975;1392333050;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 23125 @ 0.000257 = 5.9431 BTC [+] {3} 501976;1392333109;ThickAsThieves; ThickAsThieves you're the scamspert, do you like cryptsy ? <<<< i dont know any of the people doing any of em, but this morning i inquired with all of them 501977;1392333110;mircea_popescu;see Jere_Jones people have a lot of trouble stepping outside of the environment they perceive as familiar and thus imagine safe. 501978;1392333111;herbijudlestoids;we arent talking about an exchange running asset class where there is intraday vol 501979;1392333128;herbijudlestoids;so its not as if there is some vol to scalp 501980;1392333158;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids you familiar with the concept that he who can't make a sharpened stick can't make an airplane or anything else ? 501981;1392333186;kakobrekla;he who can make a shapened stick can make a buttcoin 501982;1392333196;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla anywhere he wants :D 501983;1392333200;mircea_popescu;you know the joke ? 501984;1392333206;herbijudlestoids;not specifically 501985;1392333218;mircea_popescu;guy goes to brothel, asks for most expensive dame 501986;1392333225;mircea_popescu;they bring him a $250 a number chick 501987;1392333231;mircea_popescu;he's like im not looking to spend less than 10k 501988;1392333233;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1779 @ 0.000257 = 0.4572 BTC [+] 501989;1392333237;mircea_popescu;so he leaves. goes to next brothel. 501990;1392333250;mircea_popescu;they being tipped off pretend like the fee is 10k. 501991;1392333266;mircea_popescu;guy follows gal in the room, she sprawls herself on bed, "Honey what'd you like ? cunt ? assgole ?" 501992;1392333282;mircea_popescu;the asshole's laying out some shit from his case onto a small table 501993;1392333288;mircea_popescu;"babe, for 10k i make my own holes" 501994;1392333294;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00025677 = 0.2568 BTC [-] {2} 501995;1392333296;herbijudlestoids;haha 501996;1392333334;mircea_popescu;sooo... anyone with a sharpened stick can make his own buttcoin 501997;1392333337;mircea_popescu;anywhere he wants. 501998;1392333355;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00298145 = 0.2981 BTC [+] {6} 501999;1392333356;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 130 @ 0.0055 = 0.715 BTC 502000;1392333416;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC 502001;1392333424;ThickAsThieves;mp wants his troops trained before the battle 502002;1392333450;ThickAsThieves;brazzers/pornhub taking btc now 502003;1392333466;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves generally, if you live in a town where people have the right to bear arms, it's better to live in the one where people actually know how to use arms. 502004;1392333477;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC 502005;1392333495;mircea_popescu;this i guess is somewhat counterintuitive 502006;1392333539;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: i get the joke, its amusing. but i am not sure why you feel what im saying is an indication of trouble for me stepping outside my comfort zone 502007;1392333555;herbijudlestoids;i dont mind playing in new markets, but all businesses should be appropriately capitalised 502008;1392333573;mircea_popescu;the thinking is like this : it's a bare market. 502009;1392333586;mircea_popescu;any dangers, inconveniences and issues you face, anyone else also faces. 502010;1392333596;herbijudlestoids;no 502011;1392333598;mircea_popescu;sure, someone could show up with a 100 btc wallet and beat you into a pulp. 502012;1392333599;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00025 = 0.25 BTC [-] 502013;1392333600;ThickAsThieves;plus if you mm there, i'll have someone to play with! 502014;1392333603;mircea_popescu;why would they throw 100 btc on atc ? 502015;1392333603;herbijudlestoids;i face one extra risk that say, you, dont 502016;1392333612;mircea_popescu;you're immune from it for a very soft yet very strong reason 502017;1392333615;herbijudlestoids;they are potentially not undercapitalised 502018;1392333645;mircea_popescu;so this is exactly it : you perceive safety in banality. 502019;1392333660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8592 @ 0.00086736 = 7.4524 BTC [+] 502020;1392333661;mircea_popescu;it is illusory. and it blinds you to the actual safety in barren lands 502021;1392333670;decimation;As I grow older I've learned to perceive danger in banality 502022;1392333681;mircea_popescu;decimation you got at least a decade on him 502023;1392333693;decimation;heh yeah I'm almost 35 502024;1392333701;mircea_popescu;maybe not then 502025;1392333720;decimation;I'm an old man at heart 502026;1392333725;mircea_popescu;lol 502027;1392333748;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids this dovetails neatly into an older saying of mine, re the sailor being required to sail the boat in any wind. 502028;1392333751;herbijudlestoids;got a skype meeting, back soon 502029;1392333763;decimation;prediction: there will be an operating legal BTC exchange in the US within 2 years 502030;1392333764;mircea_popescu;that's a sailor. people who can sail a boat in some circumstances are sail management technicians or w.e 502031;1392333792;mircea_popescu;decimation that'd be the optimistic view as to the us' future. 502032;1392333794;decimation;like pot, the civil servants who run the states can smell the tax revenue 502033;1392333806;decimation;I know, but I'm contrary while I'm contrary 502034;1392333819;mircea_popescu;im not sayin' it's unlikely or anything, perfectly possible. 502035;1392333839;decimation;new york seems really serious about this bitlicense deal 502036;1392333840;mircea_popescu;the us turning into a sort of continent sized syria is however also quite possible. 502037;1392333861;decimation;Of course it would with all kinds of AML KYC rules but that's obvious 502038;1392333895;mircea_popescu;the only sane way to do that would be making a state agency which handles the aml kyc. 502039;1392333904;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02636138 = 0.2636 BTC [-] 502040;1392333911;mircea_popescu;you get the license, the customer applies with the agency. you get the ok, you are legally immune 502041;1392333911;davout;mircea_popescu: why is that? 502042;1392333922;mircea_popescu;because you don't wish to be involved with or responsible of law enforcing. 502043;1392333931;mircea_popescu;you're a businessman not a policeman. let the policemen do their job. 502044;1392333939;decimation;If I'm right, then the next leg up on the BTC/USD is going to happen when the trillions of $ in retirement accounts start washing into BTC; via Gresham's law 502045;1392333952;mircea_popescu;what trillions ? 502046;1392333970;Apocalyptic;the trillions they see on their balance :) 502047;1392333973;davout;that how it works though, and it's the sad state of affairs where if you have any sort of financial license you *are* required to monitor activity, and pretty much be the police 502048;1392333974;mircea_popescu;:) 502049;1392333988;Apocalyptic;not that it's real money or anything 502050;1392333992;mircea_popescu;davout so that's what new york may offer to convince me to ok their license bs : 502051;1392333995;davout;there's no such thing as a "ok you're kosher" kind of stamp 502052;1392333996;benkay;leave those jurisdictions, then. 502053;1392333997;mircea_popescu;if they take back enforcing, we can talk. 502054;1392334009;mircea_popescu;if they don't... there's nothing on the table. 502055;1392334023;mircea_popescu;i mnean sure, they can continue talking to the scammers and be scammed till they're happy and had enough. 502056;1392334036;Apocalyptic;davout, reminds me of your model actually 502057;1392334039;davout;mircea_popescu: what is it you said once about one party of a deal saying "that's the way it's gonna be" again ? 502058;1392334053;Apocalyptic;when essentially LW is the policemen and in charge of validating clients 502059;1392334054;davout;Apocalyptic: howso? 502060;1392334059;Apocalyptic;you stick to the btc stuff 502061;1392334065;mircea_popescu;davout aha ? 502062;1392334099;decimation;http://www.ici.org/pressroom/news/ret_10_q4 502063;1392334100;decimation;Total U.S. retirement assets were $17.5 trillion as of December 31, 2010, up 5.2 percent in the fourth quarter of 2010 and up 9.1 percent for the year. 502064;1392334100;ozbot;ICI - Retirement Assets Total $17.5 Trillion in Fourth Quarter 2010 502065;1392334109;davout;Apocalyptic: yup, they be the police, i don't want to touch that with a ten foot pole 502066;1392334131;decimation;Of course, many of these assets are "invested" in stocks, run by bandits who pump & dump the price 502067;1392334147;mircea_popescu;i see your ici and i raise you a trilema : 502068;1392334148;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00023899 = 0.239 BTC [-] {10} 502069;1392334149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.0008693 = 29.9039 BTC [+] {2} 502070;1392334150;mircea_popescu;;;google Time for Europe to repeal the US-backed AML crap 502071;1392334151;gribble;BitBet, March 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; Politica si Prostie pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Thanks to Government, Banks Treat You Like Crap and Spy on You: 8 decimal places 502127;1392335603;decimation;academia has the power to insert ideas into the bureaucratic process 502128;1392335627;mircea_popescu;decimation http://www.gandul.info/magazin/ceausescu-critic-literar-1064485 502129;1392335632;mircea_popescu;that's the article, in romanian. 502130;1392335648;mircea_popescu;it summarizes a book, which is mostly built on the stenographs of romania's dictator and sole source of power, 502131;1392335653;mircea_popescu;meeting romania's academia, in corpore. 502132;1392335669;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: chess tonight? :D 502133;1392335678;mircea_popescu;the man passed for an idiot in their theoretical writings, he owns them on the floor. not because of a threat of violence, but through simple intellectual superiority. 502134;1392335679;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Why not? 502135;1392335691;mircea_popescu;this, i am convinced, is the situation of the us academia : they tell each other they're smart, 502136;1392335702;mircea_popescu;but if they get caged with a head of civil service they get wiped. 502137;1392335727;mircea_popescu;not because the guy orders them killed, but because the guy is actrually smarter than them, and breaks off their metaphorical arms and beats them into a pulp with them 502138;1392335737;herbijudlestoids;yey, i will ping you in ~8h 502139;1392335790;decimation;I think that's true to some extent - not so with elected officials though 502140;1392335858;decimation;The civil service in the US is mostly a jobs program, but the elite staff at the top generally knows what they are doing (like Ceausescu, they have learned through doing) 502141;1392335920;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I can't guarantee I'll be awake that far into the future. 502142;1392335929;mircea_popescu;so basically... the press is just living off handouts, the academia mostly wishes to circlejerk undisturbed, has first dibs on available cash and otherwise grumbles but is thankful if resources dwindle 502143;1392335940;mircea_popescu;the us is the civil service, like any socialist state, the bureaucracy. 502144;1392335999;decimation;This is mostly true, but the civil service can't entirely ignore the media either. On the other hand, the civil service also tells the media what to print 502145;1392336030;decimation;Rule by permanant bureaucracy is actually pretty stable historically 502146;1392336044;decimation;look at the Eastern Roman empire, and China 502147;1392336072;mircea_popescu;so then yes it can entirely ignore it. 502148;1392336076;mircea_popescu;it just tells it what to print. 502149;1392336079;decimation;The trick that the us government must navigate is to make the people still think they matter while making all the real decisions for them 502150;1392336091;decimation;that's the job of the media largely 502151;1392336096;mircea_popescu;it's only stable for as long as there's no new technology. 502152;1392336102;mircea_popescu;it is very unstable once the currency is attacked. 502153;1392336111;mircea_popescu;louis had the rule by bureaucracy down pat. 502154;1392336126;davout;mircea_popescu: nice article, preaching to the converted :-) 502155;1392336127;mircea_popescu;this is why attacking the currency is so paramountly important. 502156;1392336140;mircea_popescu;davout i like preaching to the converted, they have the best cleavage. 502157;1392336180;davout;mircea_popescu: i'll need to ask pankkake to explain this one to me 502158;1392336203;mircea_popescu;lol p has good cleavage ?! 502159;1392336214;davout;i don't know what you mean by cleavage 502160;1392336215;pankkake;what 502161;1392336230;davout;pankkake: your english is better than mine 502162;1392336236;pankkake;décolleté 502163;1392336243;decimation;I'm certainly a fan of peaceful transitions 502164;1392336253;mircea_popescu;http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/medium/633894003071319270-cleavage.jpg 502165;1392336262;decimation;hopefully there will be no Committee for Public Safety in the us 502166;1392336268;pankkake;http://www.singleape.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/american-apparel-deep-vneck-shirt.jpg and I don't wear those 502167;1392336270;herbijudlestoids;ok back from my calls 502168;1392336297;davout;haha i still don't get it >< 502169;1392336307;mircea_popescu;decimation peaceful transition is experimentally a function of ethnic and cultural homogenity and size. 502170;1392336317;pankkake;me neither 502171;1392336318;mircea_popescu;the us is a large, federal (as opposed to national) construct. 502172;1392336323;mircea_popescu;it can't not be bloody. 502173;1392336338;mircea_popescu;davout me either, but cleavage. 502174;1392336347;davout;mircea_popescu: this i get 502175;1392336351;mircea_popescu;me too. 502176;1392336354;mircea_popescu;daily basis! 502177;1392336360;davout;:-) 502178;1392336365;decimation;yeah, there are many possibilities but the most likely seems to be falling back to individual soviergnty of the states 502179;1392336369;mircea_popescu;corsage cleavage actually. 502180;1392336379;mircea_popescu;decimation how do you reason ? 502181;1392336381;decimation;especially the ones that haven't been demographically ruined 502182;1392336409;decimation;some states are fairly homogeneous, and the idea of a 'state' is a sufficient Schelling point around which militia can rally 502183;1392336425;mircea_popescu;except the only point of history n the us is the defeating of such a construct. 502184;1392336443;mircea_popescu;or review the legal history of the concept of nullification 502185;1392336469;mircea_popescu;no argument that it will probably get bloody around this argument rather than any other, 502186;1392336474;mircea_popescu;so a schelling point it is. 502187;1392336479;mircea_popescu;just, not for peaceful transition. 502188;1392336488;decimation;yeah I think you are likely correct 502189;1392336506;decimation;the trouble is that the collapse of the US will engulf the entire world in instability 502190;1392336539;mircea_popescu;"the entire world" as seen from the us. 502191;1392336548;mircea_popescu;may spill into canada, certainly will destroy mexico. 502192;1392336563;KRS-One;decimation is correct, unfortunately 502193;1392336585;KRS-One;not sure about the stability part, but it will be felt. 502194;1392336589;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00025498 = 0.255 BTC [+] 502195;1392336616;mircea_popescu;how ? suddenly much cheaper oil and ciggarettes ? 502196;1392336632;decimation;Well, almost all "sovereign" nations today define themselves in relation to US power 502197;1392336643;mircea_popescu;how did you end up with that conclusion ? 502198;1392336650;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00025498 = 0.3825 BTC [+] 502199;1392336678;decimation;at the very least, there will be a hunt for collaborators 502200;1392336722;mircea_popescu;you tihnk ? 502201;1392336738;mircea_popescu;that's how medieval italy played out, except everyone inside blamed everyone for doing it 502202;1392336745;mircea_popescu;"bringing foreign troops into italia" 502203;1392336754;decimation;I guess if everyone is at fault then nobody is at fault 502204;1392336769;mircea_popescu;i doubt us people will actually want russian boots in pennsylvania 502205;1392336772;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2785 @ 0.000255 = 0.7102 BTC [+] 502206;1392336784;decimation;no they will stop that 502207;1392336792;mircea_popescu;obviously should the russians, chinese, saudi, israelis etc etc actually want to set foot 502208;1392336798;mircea_popescu;there'll be not many to stop them anyway 502209;1392336816;mircea_popescu;decimation incidentally, you know how late venice resolved the problem of french invaders ? 502210;1392336817;jurov;mircea_popescu: maybe north korea will invade the south once us troops go home 502211;1392336829;jurov;china joins the fray, then japan,... 502212;1392336833;mircea_popescu;jurov famished as they are, they'll be prolly beaten off with a stick 502213;1392336836;decimation;We are talking 1600's or so? no I don't 502214;1392336852;jurov;hopfully and dumbed by meth. 502215;1392336893;mircea_popescu;decimation the venetian whores fucked them well. 502216;1392336894;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000255 = 0.255 BTC [+] 502217;1392336908;mircea_popescu;including a certain high ranking chick the french king. 502218;1392336930;mircea_popescu;so i can totally see arizona liberated by the las vegas cocksucker tribe. 502219;1392336941;herbijudlestoids;im not betting on war :) 502220;1392336953;herbijudlestoids;although the senkakku/daiyou island stuff is troubling 502221;1392336955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 400 @ 0.000255 = 0.102 BTC [+] 502222;1392336974;decimation;This was Charles VIII's invasion? 502223;1392336986;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids war lite. people shooting each other with small arms as if it were burbank. 502224;1392336990;mircea_popescu;decimation yea 502225;1392337064;decimation;interesting. the trouble with a turbulant future for the US (or other nuclear powers) is: what happens to the nukes? 502226;1392337097;mircea_popescu;decimation what happened to the russian nukes ? 502227;1392337107;jurov;the us bought them 502228;1392337115;mircea_popescu;notrly, but anyway. 502229;1392337137;pankkake;does S.MPOE intend to buy nukes? 502230;1392337145;jurov;hahaha 502231;1392337196;mircea_popescu;if they're cheap enough, why not. 502232;1392337218;mircea_popescu;a sovereign is a sovereign, it will do anything it may deem worth doing. 502233;1392337246;decimation;indeed, and once a 'bitcoin sovereign' acquires nukes, the foothold will be forever established 502234;1392337260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00086745 = 10.4961 BTC [-] 502235;1392337286;herbijudlestoids;http://www.buzzfeed.com/juliegerstein/26-terrifyingly-sexy-pairs-of-mens-underwear-just-in-time-fo 502236;1392337287;ozbot;26 Super-Sexy Pairs Of Men's Underwear Totally Perfect For Valentine's Day 502237;1392337290;decimation;The Russian nukes were managed by the civil service who wrought them 502238;1392337297;mircea_popescu;decimation not really, it's an expensive and dirty foothold. 502239;1392337302;mircea_popescu;we're not living in 1953 502240;1392337328;decimation;Well, if there is a major collapse of the US dollar for instance 502241;1392337332;decimation;the DoD will be broke 502242;1392337340;decimation;the aircraft carriers will rot in their docks 502243;1392337342;mircea_popescu;decimation expensive i meant in an absolute sense. 502244;1392337345;mircea_popescu;you have to maintain them 502245;1392337350;decimation;absolutely 502246;1392337354;decimation;and the delivery mechanisms 502247;1392337367;mircea_popescu;its a major hassle. 502248;1392337379;mircea_popescu;one of the reason this sovereign beats that sovereign is that it has a better definition of sovereignity. 502249;1392337390;mircea_popescu;one that's not tailored to the last lost war and its constraints. 502250;1392337443;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 400 @ 0.000255 = 0.102 BTC [+] 502251;1392337457;mircea_popescu;in 2013 nuclear warheads are about as useful as DTT bombs in an apple model store. 502252;1392337474;mircea_popescu;really, they'll kill a fly ? and douse everyone in there in carcinogenics ? 502253;1392337479;jurov;they will prolly sell them at thinkgeek 502254;1392337481;mircea_popescu;wait till you read the blogfeeds. 502255;1392337531;decimation;well, the ultimate argument against nukes today is that wealth is not held physically anymore 502256;1392337542;decimation;the value of a city is the sum of all the services its brains can provide 502257;1392337559;decimation;nuking the place ruins the value, making it a foolish proposition for any rational actor 502258;1392337563;herbijudlestoids;yo mirpop, its 2014 502259;1392337565;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.071 = 0.497 BTC [+] 502260;1392337568;mircea_popescu;moreover, practically : tokyo was hit worse than if the us had actually detonated a large nuclear warhead. 502261;1392337577;mircea_popescu;according to tokio administration, everything is and has been ok. 502262;1392337583;mircea_popescu;so i guess... it doesn't do much, after all. 502263;1392337608;jurov;there are irrational actors. religious nuttery is actually on the rise. 502264;1392337628;decimation;Yeah nukes are actually surprisingly survivable: http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/nukes/nuclear_weapon_effects/nuclearwpneffctcalc.html 502265;1392337631;mircea_popescu;jurov the guarantee isn't that no city will be hit. in fact as i say above, at least one already has. 502266;1392337639;mircea_popescu;the guarantee is that it won't matter. it won't. 502267;1392337748;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3900 @ 0.000255 = 0.9945 BTC [+] 502268;1392337754;decimation;even in the red zone you would likely survive the immediate radiation if you were in a simple bunker 502269;1392337761;decimation;the pressure and fire, not so much perhaps 502270;1392337770;mircea_popescu;this is in fact the laser pointer argument all over again. the earth is very large. nukes are rather limited. see 502271;1392337771;mircea_popescu;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daigo_Fukuryū_Maru 502272;1392337809;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.000255 = 1.53 BTC [+] 502273;1392337810;ThickAsThieves;from Cryptsy "We pick coins based on what we perceive the volume will be not based on any criteria you can just meet." 502274;1392337821;ThickAsThieves;do it up herb! 502275;1392337870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1618 @ 0.00087094 = 1.4092 BTC [+] 502276;1392337896;mircea_popescu;o looky, wikipedia finally running out of bandwidth ?! 502277;1392337924;pankkake;I thought you just had to bribe them 502278;1392337961;decimation;indeed, and any attack against a nuclear state with nukes must always be considered suicidal because of the uncertainty about counter-strikes 502279;1392337965;mircea_popescu;"Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is probably temporary and should be fixed soon." 502280;1392337979;ThickAsThieves;technically they dont want romanians reading it 502281;1392337984;herbijudlestoids;okkk..the spread on ATCBTC is now 1 satoshi 502282;1392337984;ThickAsThieves;sorry! 502283;1392337992;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3920 @ 0.000255 = 0.9996 BTC [+] 502284;1392337993;herbijudlestoids;ill try and keep it so 502285;1392337994;mircea_popescu;decimation not quite. the russians would retaliate against the us and eu, the us would probably retaliate against china, 502286;1392338001;mircea_popescu;china likely won't retaliate and that's the whole story. 502287;1392338020;Apocalyptic; okkk..the spread on ATCBTC is now 1 satoshi // you're aware of the fees right ? 502288;1392338035;herbijudlestoids;what do you mean? 502289;1392338048;herbijudlestoids;i am aware that there is a commission, yes...what does that have to do with the bid/ask spread? 502290;1392338052;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you can load the page ? 502291;1392338083;herbijudlestoids;Apocalyptic: im trying to build a microstructure and get paid appropriately for it 502292;1392338099;herbijudlestoids;haha fuck yes! 502293;1392338103;herbijudlestoids;already some bots seen it 502294;1392338153;herbijudlestoids;i am not the only one with this game in mind it seems, someone has an algo waiting 502295;1392338175;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.07166666 = 0.215 BTC [+] {3} 502296;1392338196;Apocalyptic;your spread has to be higher than the commission in order to make it profitable disregarding price movement 502297;1392338209;kakobrekla;;;ticker 502298;1392338210;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 603.97, Best ask: 606.99, Bid-ask spread: 3.02000, Last trade: 603.06, 24 hour volume: 28763.64056223, 24 hour low: 601.54, 24 hour high: 660.0, 24 hour vwap: 630.853465711 502299;1392338223;kakobrekla;o no moar gox here as well 502300;1392338229;pankkake;finally 502301;1392338232;kakobrekla;amazing 502302;1392338232;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 502303;1392338313;benkay;;;ticker --market mtgox 502304;1392338314;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 444.0, Best ask: 444.47083, Bid-ask spread: 0.47083, Last trade: 444.0, 24 hour volume: 29456.16303645, 24 hour low: 444.0, 24 hour high: 549.0, 24 hour vwap: 492.42453 502305;1392338333;mircea_popescu;iiiincredible. 502306;1392338369;kakobrekla;options dude mixed up 400 with 4k 502307;1392338374;herbijudlestoids;Apocalyptic: gotta build it first. 502308;1392338375;kakobrekla;i tell ya. 502309;1392338392;herbijudlestoids;Apocalyptic: if i can convince some other fuckers to be doing the same thing then it starts to roll 502310;1392338398;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla mebbe so. even if he had tho... he'd still be underwater atm 502311;1392338431;kakobrekla;myea 502312;1392338453;pankkake;openex has volume? 502313;1392338472;Apocalyptic;the guy running it is a nobody with shady past history afaik, UI is shit, the engine is PHP and looks like shit too 502314;1392338492;pankkake;so are the other altcoin trading places 502315;1392338496;herbijudlestoids;Apocalyptic: lol...it doesnt have much volume 502316;1392338512;Apocalyptic;it still does way more it should imi 502317;1392338515;Apocalyptic;*imo 502318;1392338527;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic sounds about right 502319;1392338534;BingoBoingo;Their order matching seems to be shit as well. 502320;1392338537;Apocalyptic;^ 502321;1392338552;kakobrekla;the string, is not tight enough. 502322;1392338559;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: whats specifically wrong with the order matching? 502323;1392338567;mircea_popescu;i think we should ban kakobrekla because he is slanderous. 502324;1392338578;Apocalyptic; BingoBoingo: whats specifically wrong with the order matching? // try to sell for a price of 0.00001 502325;1392338589;kakobrekla;not this again, whats next, you gonna ask me to fix and run mpex? 502326;1392338591;Apocalyptic;order will get executed at that price even if their are better bids 502327;1392338593;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: i tried to wipe out your bids with one limit order down to 111 satoshis and it skipped your bids and sold cheap 502328;1392338595;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla lol 502329;1392338605;mircea_popescu; order will get executed at that price even if their are better bids << ahahaha WHAT 502330;1392338610;Apocalyptic;it's just... WTF 502331;1392338615;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: cos theres no liquidity in my bids 502332;1392338619;Apocalyptic;yeah mircea, i'm not even joking 502333;1392338620;herbijudlestoids;it matched correctly 502334;1392338634;B007;mircea_popescu: http://kazarinakristina.deviantart.com/art/Can-u-luv-me-again-419316137 502335;1392338635;herbijudlestoids;and if that was you, butthole :P 502336;1392338637;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids so it puts unfunded bids on the book ?! 502337;1392338646;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: when i say no i mean low 502338;1392338651;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: No, I just manually sniped your bids after that fail. 502339;1392338654;mircea_popescu;so it should have still executed 502340;1392338657;mircea_popescu;why skip them 502341;1392338662;herbijudlestoids;it didnt skip them 502342;1392338666;herbijudlestoids;they were executed! 502343;1392338677;herbijudlestoids;i own ~3000 more ATC than i did a few minutes ago 502344;1392338678;Apocalyptic;in my experience they weren't 502345;1392338684;Apocalyptic;WHAT 502346;1392338685;mircea_popescu;B007 ty, what's that ? 502347;1392338704;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: They were executed after the sale at 110 satoshis. Because I had to target them at the exact price 502348;1392338705;B007;pics of girls 502349;1392338714;B007;everyone likes girls 502350;1392338724;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.123 = 0.369 BTC [+] {2} 502351;1392338727;Apocalyptic;seriously this openex is unworthy of ATC 502352;1392338734;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: check the ATC trade history 502353;1392338778;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic seems so. 502354;1392338786;kakobrekla;so can atc buy pussy yet? 502355;1392338790;mircea_popescu;but it was the first one in the market. 502356;1392338798;mircea_popescu;sorta how mtgox happened. 502357;1392338803;mircea_popescu;took 3 years to get rid of. 502358;1392338811;Apocalyptic;i wonder why atc does require libboost 502359;1392338820;Apocalyptic;*libboost_chrono 502360;1392338857;herbijudlestoids;welp 502361;1392338859;pankkake;all bitcoins require it 502362;1392338866;herbijudlestoids;now you took my bids i got no more bids 502363;1392338869;herbijudlestoids;gg 502364;1392338879;pankkake;well, I updated the makefile, older boost versions don't need that change 502365;1392338891;mircea_popescu;lol BingoBoingo in battlegear 502366;1392338907;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.068 = 0.272 BTC [-] 502367;1392338938;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'm just waiting for the next challenger to try to close the bid-ask spread 502368;1392338974;kakobrekla;is the market cap > than 1 pussy ? 502369;1392338975;Apocalyptic;x-bt's libboost libs are too old for that 502370;1392338979;mircea_popescu;lmao 502371;1392338982;pankkake;openex considers a 30 char password is only "good" 502372;1392338983;mircea_popescu;i had no idea there's ecosystem 502373;1392339001;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i'll sell you 1 pussy for 100 atc. 502374;1392339019;kakobrekla;those better not be digital? 502375;1392339029;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.069 = 0.138 BTC [+] 502376;1392339036;mircea_popescu;http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/146/0/1/dat_pussy__lol_by_i_am_jeff_the_killer-d66m0tr.jpg 502377;1392339049;kakobrekla;scammed 502378;1392339090;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.12471428 = 0.873 BTC [+] {5} 502379;1392339169;herbijudlestoids;haha ffs BingoBoingo 502380;1392339206;herbijudlestoids;lets see how you like this then 502381;1392339215;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/CryptoPumpGuru << noobs today. 502382;1392339216;ozbot;Crypto Pump Guru (CryptoPumpGuru) on Twitter 502383;1392339243;mircea_popescu;basically the concept of altcoin matched just perfectly on the preexisting pump and dump thing. 502384;1392339258;Duffer1;"Will be doing huge pumps in the future. Honest, safe, never pre-pump." 502385;1392339273;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-] 502386;1392339447;B007;I made some dosh doing pump & dump 502387;1392339467;B007;not much though 502388;1392339528;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: old owner still had working passwords - half a year after the transfer was completed" << Butugichag is waiting with open arms for these fine folks. 502389;1392339570;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 2011 tho. you gotta understand, it was sort-of like atc. 502390;1392339590;mircea_popescu;ie, this plaything. 502391;1392339622;kakobrekla;B007 i hope you feel proud! 502392;1392339639;herbijudlestoids;this is slightly more amusing than chess BingoBoingo 502393;1392339644;herbijudlestoids;is it really just you 502394;1392339655;herbijudlestoids;or is there other participants in this shenanigans 502395;1392339664;B007;kakobrekla: I do 502396;1392339671;kakobrekla;lel. 502397;1392339702;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I dunno 502398;1392339718;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu wheres that personal responsibility url 502399;1392339727;kakobrekla;slap it to B007's face. 502400;1392339771;mircea_popescu;i'm not shenaniganing. 502401;1392339812;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: if you want the market to be liquid at ~100 so be it :P 502402;1392339822;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3900 @ 0.00025437 = 0.992 BTC [-] {2} 502403;1392339824;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla no because who's he. 502404;1392339841;mircea_popescu;is that 100 satoshi ? 502405;1392339856;kakobrekla;some dude typing in this box 502406;1392339858;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: You are the one who keeps Buying high and selling low 502407;1392339888;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo as rickles once said, he's making a loss on every trade but hopes to make it up on volume. 502408;1392339920;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: My favorite part of this exercise is the one where I nao have moar ATC and BTC 502409;1392339947;BingoBoingo;Except for that mistake in their order matching left me down some ATC, because string and cans 502410;1392339992;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/3b56b45d6420c2006bf747e77549b54e/tumblr_myrrg82s3h1rtl7ujo1_1280.jpg 502411;1392340030;pankkake;approved 502412;1392340039;pankkake;oh, it's lexo 502413;1392340055;kakobrekla;the what? 502414;1392340330;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: the goal was to seed a microstructure, but if you dont want one, thats coo :) i can just lift the offers 502415;1392340343;herbijudlestoids;now what? nothin. boring. 502416;1392340368;herbijudlestoids;we coulda played pass the parcel 502417;1392340387;kakobrekla;first you need to fake up the volume 502418;1392340391;Vexual;im coming to the party 502419;1392340411;kakobrekla;to get some eyes watching 502420;1392340419;herbijudlestoids;kakobrekla: isnt that wut i said 502421;1392340426;pankkake;should fake volumes be a feature of altcoingen.io? :) 502422;1392340426;kakobrekla;i have no idea what you said 502423;1392340433;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I believe this point came up in the -assets log earlier. You didn't need someone with 100 BTC to beat your efforts at Market Marking. All it took as someone with 0.015 BTC and some ATC. 502424;1392340454;herbijudlestoids;? thats exactly what i said would happen? 502425;1392340471;herbijudlestoids;i am not capitalised correctly to make bids 502426;1392340480;kakobrekla;i dont know what is happening. so ill leave. 502427;1392340483;herbijudlestoids;and if im not capitalised correctly then the best i can do is the best i can do 502428;1392340508;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Or you could simply try to not become less capitalized? 502429;1392340662;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: yer, in which case the spread stays at 300 and nobody gives a fuck about the market 502430;1392340695;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: It isn't necessarily unhealty. It simply means sellers and buyers have a disagreement. 502431;1392340774;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: ok well let us see how much activity occurs with a spread of 300, my guess is none. 502432;1392340814;herbijudlestoids;probly between me and you there has been more activity in ATCBTC in the last hour than the last 5 days 502433;1392340829;mike_c;not even close. 502434;1392340847;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Consider this a lesson in fundamental assumptions that vary between the fiat and BTC worlds. Fiat can have money come in at any price. 502435;1392340893;herbijudlestoids;not really sure how this is any different from a fiat market 502436;1392340903;herbijudlestoids;aside from lack of leverage 502437;1392340907;herbijudlestoids;its just a two way auction. 502438;1392340911;BingoBoingo;BTC on the other hand is too expensive to throw away on making a market look right. 502439;1392340951;BingoBoingo;It is more important the market actually BE right, than to look "right" 502440;1392341000;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Consider the spreads on S.BBET and S.NSA 502441;1392341001;herbijudlestoids;right, so the correct state of ATCBTC is no trades? gg 502442;1392341017;mircea_popescu;what is the atc voluem to date actually ? 502443;1392341034;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: No the correct state is trades only when there is an agreement between buyers and sellers on value. 502444;1392341034;herbijudlestoids;sweet fuck all 502445;1392341060;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Earlier this week it was up to 0.1 in a 24 hour period on Openex 502446;1392341067;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids gotta be a least a coupla bitcoins by now 502447;1392341081;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo so like ~2btc total ? 502448;1392341095;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Nah, it wasn't sustained long enough 502449;1392341102;herbijudlestoids;i count the cumulative volume as 0.18 502450;1392341103;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.069 = 0.276 BTC [+] 502451;1392341107;mircea_popescu;yeah but iirc i bought like 500k otc, 502452;1392341108;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: trades only when there is an agreement between buyers and sellers on value << where have you traded - and what? - where trade happens in some other way? 502453;1392341111;herbijudlestoids;from all trades listed in the recent trades window 502454;1392341114;mircea_popescu;and then ThickAsThieves also bought some iirc, so did you 502455;1392341151;pankkake;my sales are probably 0.3 BTC tops 502456;1392341164;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3017 @ 0.000255 = 0.7693 BTC [+] {3} 502457;1392341171;herbijudlestoids;lel the smallest market in the world 502458;1392341173;mircea_popescu;i think it all adds up to 2-3 over its lifetime 502459;1392341173;duduqa;hi folks 502460;1392341199;mircea_popescu;very cutely microscopic. 502461;1392341225;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0698 = 0.1396 BTC [+] 502462;1392341226;pankkake;bernankoin had a sole $25 transaction 502463;1392341255;pankkake;making it worth $10668370931 now 502464;1392341263;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/600c2ec26e9c9fcecccfc237252ba881/tumblr_ms3qgk9xvM1s9b0ano1_1280.jpg 502465;1392341266;mike_c;HunterS sold a couple million ATC supposedly 502466;1392341279;mircea_popescu;mike_c i thought 1mn 502467;1392341296;mike_c;he said he already offloaded 1.6mn before that 502468;1392341308;mircea_popescu;ah 502469;1392341318;mircea_popescu;ok so looks more like 5 really ? 502470;1392341329;pankkake;;;calc 16850*512 502471;1392341330;gribble;8627200 502472;1392341396;mircea_popescu;amusingly this is way better than bitcoin's first year 502473;1392341399;kakobrekla;Next difficulty (estimate) 502474;1392341399;kakobrekla;32,319.43 502475;1392341399;kakobrekla;-48.47% change to current 502476;1392341399;kakobrekla;1294 blocks until difficulty changes 502477;1392341415;mircea_popescu;i think it took about 19 months for a 5 btc aggregated trade 502478;1392341449;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I haven't much traded. I simply saw herbijudlestoids buying and selling at prices I like. 502479;1392341496;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: unless i'm missing something, trade only happens when buyer and seller agree on a price. when goods change hands regardless, we usually use another word for it. 502480;1392341516;herbijudlestoids;asciilifeform: you say price, BingoBoingo is talking perceived value. 502481;1392341519;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well,sure 502482;1392341604;mircea_popescu;i thought you were both discussing other people's other trades 502483;1392341607;mircea_popescu;rather than your own 502484;1392341642;herbijudlestoids;nah i put some bids in, try and create some interest, bingo wanted the bids instead of pass the parcel...now nothin 502485;1392341667;herbijudlestoids;i dun have enough BTC to keep the shenanigans goin 502486;1392341684;BingoBoingo;When he put in asks I also found them palatable. 502487;1392341689;mircea_popescu;lol 502488;1392341716;mircea_popescu;"so, fiat quant finds crypto playground, gets creamed" ? 502489;1392341744;herbijudlestoids;well, it was my assumption that BingoBoingo wouldnt wanna see the last trade as ~100 but i guess i was wrong 502490;1392341754;mircea_popescu;happens. 502491;1392341756;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283947.msg5103950#msg5103950 502492;1392341761;mircea_popescu;check it out, kate's back, they say. 502493;1392341763;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: last trade now seems to be 700 502494;1392341785;ozbot;[BTC-TC] CIPHERMINE-PT - Industrial Mining & High Performance Computing 502495;1392341807;Apocalyptic;someone's dumping hard on stamp 502496;1392341817;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: i have not been creamed in any market since may 6 2010 :) 502497;1392341829;mircea_popescu;well what happened here then lol 502498;1392341832;duduqa;Apocalyptic: fresh newbies desperate 502499;1392341840;mircea_popescu;traditionally "i had a plan, gotta discontinue cause out of capital" is creamed. 502500;1392341841;KRS-One;creamed? 502501;1392341843;KRS-One;.bait 502502;1392341844;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2wil6sFcC1rrvc3lo1_500.jpg 502503;1392341858;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: i sold some BTC for some ATC? at above the diff implied price? 502504;1392341868;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, that's what happens when you're MMing with low funds 502505;1392341873;herbijudlestoids;^ 502506;1392341874;B007;ozbot: boob are too big 502507;1392341880;mircea_popescu;holy shit i know that chick. 502508;1392341885;mircea_popescu;those aren't her boobs eithr. 502509;1392341887;KRS-One;yeah its totally looking the other way all stuck up 502510;1392341889;mircea_popescu;this is a chop/ 502511;1392341897;KRS-One;rebait 502512;1392341898;KRS-One;.bait 502513;1392341899;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md0yk6CDFY1robs3no1_500.jpg 502514;1392341908;KRS-One;Mmmm rawr 502515;1392341952;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic you're always going to be low on funds. this is bitcoin. 502516;1392341984;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids so then what's the prblm ? 502517;1392342059;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: no problem specifically, but its unsustainable, id prefer to continue making a market around the diff implied price than not 502518;1392342083;mircea_popescu;how is it unsustainable, selling btc for atc at above diff implied price ? 502519;1392342092;mircea_popescu;or you mean, the atc was above ? 502520;1392342131;herbijudlestoids;i mean, now that i have no BTC in the account, i cant make the market...thats all 502521;1392342142;mike_c;so you made some profitable trades and now you're broke. 502522;1392342143;mircea_popescu;so then you got creamed. 502523;1392342148;KRS-One;.bait 502524;1392342148;herbijudlestoids;lel 502525;1392342149;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcza4qRLbt1rhmdp0o1_500.jpg 502526;1392342149;mircea_popescu;it is either one or the other you know. 502527;1392342166;herbijudlestoids;not really sure how im failing to explain this 502528;1392342172;mircea_popescu;either what you do is profitable and sustainable, or else it isn't. we have a word for that latter. 502529;1392342242;herbijudlestoids;so if i make a profit, but i cant make another profit, it counts as getting creamed? 502530;1392342248;herbijudlestoids;just to clarify on your definitions? 502531;1392342262;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 315 @ 0.0055 = 1.7325 BTC {2} 502532;1392342263;mircea_popescu;yup. 502533;1392342267;mircea_popescu;cause obviously you didn't make a profit. 502534;1392342272;kakobrekla;> I'm not sure why I ordered 8 rather than 9 upgrades, perhaps it was all we could afford at the time. 502535;1392342272;mircea_popescu;you just booked a profit. 502536;1392342275;KRS-One;http://i.imgur.com/7knHvEF.jpg 502537;1392342276;kakobrekla;this is how you run a company. 502538;1392342290;kakobrekla;perhaps we were short, perhaps i was high 502539;1392342308;mircea_popescu;perhaps the lucy in the sky... 502540;1392342311;jayk;oh dear 502541;1392342313;kakobrekla;perhaps i cut my dick off with that btc 502542;1392342331;mircea_popescu;and now i want the world to see 502543;1392342350;Duffer1;i've never seen that color of star trek shirt 502544;1392342353;jayk;at least ringo wasnt singing 502545;1392342355;herbijudlestoids;i find your definitions to be strange 502546;1392342358;herbijudlestoids;and confusing 502547;1392342365;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1615828/plain/) 502548;1392342365;mircea_popescu;!b 2 502549;1392342377;jayk;did you ever find out who that band of naked ladies was mircea_popescu 502550;1392342387;mircea_popescu;btw kakobrekla since you're not doing anything useful anyway, approve some bashes ? 502551;1392342394;mircea_popescu;jayk which one ? 502552;1392342401;jayk;oh id have to look for the picture 502553;1392342407;jayk;it was a week and half ago 502554;1392342416;jayk;it was in black and white 502555;1392342422;mircea_popescu;yes well you gotta cut me some slack here, i deal with nude bands of amazons on a biweekly basis 502556;1392342422;jayk;it was kind of amusing 502557;1392342432;mike_c;herbijudlestoids: it is not complicated. you did not "make a profit". you entered a position. 502558;1392342432;mircea_popescu;s/cut/cunt/ 502559;1392342435;jayk;hah 502560;1392342452;BingoBoingo;I made two profits. 502561;1392342465;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 502562;1392342492;BingoBoingo;And last trade on ATC was 700 Satoshis 502563;1392342515;jayk;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me15otBzHe1ru15g3o1_500.jpg 502564;1392342515;mircea_popescu;incidentally, why are you two so convinced a high last trade is useful or important ? 502565;1392342516;jayk;that pic 502566;1392342521;mike_c;omg. their order matching is horrible 502567;1392342523;mircea_popescu;not saying it isn't necessarily, but curious as to the rationale. 502568;1392342524;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'm no 502569;1392342526;kakobrekla;wait, reading the forum is not useful!? fuck, the time wasted. 502570;1392342528;BingoBoingo;*not 502571;1392342551;BingoBoingo;But I think Dogers like high last trades 502572;1392342551;mircea_popescu;jayk ah, nope. they claimed it was some slovenian band but it turned out to be a scam 502573;1392342559;jayk;oic 502574;1392342561;jayk;haha 502575;1392342580;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mam7zdFeJR1ru15g3o1_500.jpg there. 502576;1392342594;BingoBoingo;Hopefully some Dogers will see 700 and think my selling at 625 is cheap 502577;1392342620;BingoBoingo;At least I hope idiocy works that way 502578;1392342639;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: im starting to feel like i perceive value at 110 :) 502579;1392342645;mircea_popescu;because smaller amount of derphone ? 502580;1392342778;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Isn't two cans and a sting magical 502581;1392342811;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6647 @ 0.00087106 = 5.7899 BTC [+] {2} 502582;1392342825;herbijudlestoids;as long as the spread is wide it costs me almost nothing to keep the last at 110 :P 502583;1392342861;herbijudlestoids;i can keep the idiots far away 502584;1392342869;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: How do you know you aren't gifiting me cheap ATC at that price? 502585;1392342890;herbijudlestoids;i am, sure, 0.00000001 ATC 502586;1392342925;mircea_popescu;to reiterate my earlier q : why are you so convinced a high price is better than a low price ? 502587;1392342973;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'm not at all convinced. I just want to trick herbijudlestoids into gifting me more coins. 502588;1392342986;mircea_popescu;well yes, it's what generally goes on in the markets. 502589;1392343066;BingoBoingo;Now I just have to see if my withdrawal of most of herbijudlestoids's BTC makes it from Openex to https://blockchain.info/address/1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4 502590;1392343102;Apocalyptic;good luck 502591;1392343126;Duffer1;LvCunts 502592;1392343128;Duffer1;nice 502593;1392343171;mircea_popescu;cunt levelling service ? 502594;1392343173;herbijudlestoids;i will just have to get another $9 :P 502595;1392343216;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids you're focusing on the wrong aspect here. nobody is proposing you should be hanged, the argument isn't that o woe, you lost your dwelling and your woman and your future playing barbute with teh atc market. 502596;1392343286;herbijudlestoids;yea im not really sure what the argument is other than BingoBoingo wanted to prove some point about the way BTC markets should be 502597;1392343293;herbijudlestoids;gg 502598;1392343318;mike_c;;;ud gg 502599;1392343319;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gg | GG. "Good Game" 1. A polite remark uttered after the end of a round, game, or other measured interval to indicate that a match was fair and enjoyable. Usually ... 502600;1392343319;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: gg 502601;1392343320;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Well, the point is they should be different from Doge markets with their pumping and dumping and a lack of actual value 502602;1392343326;mircea_popescu;"good going" 502603;1392343329;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: gg 502604;1392343362;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids think in terms of autonomous entities. like say an insect, or whatever. its survival as a type and as a species depends on interracting with an unspeicifed envronment a certain way. 502605;1392343391;mircea_popescu;so far you're failing that test. 502606;1392343459;herbijudlestoids;lol ok? 502607;1392343521;herbijudlestoids;lucky my survival doesnt depend at all whatsoever on my attempts to generate interest on openex in ATCBTC :) 502608;1392343546;mike_c; you want to learn your lessons when they only cost $9 or when they cost more? 502609;1392343581;herbijudlestoids;haha fuck mike_c if its so aggravating, you can just put me on ignore, right? like i dont want to draw sighs from anyone 502610;1392343593;mike_c;uh oh. don't get all sensitive again 502611;1392343605;herbijudlestoids;again? 502612;1392343624;Duffer1;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg5129392#msg5129392 bitbet anyone? 502613;1392343626;ozbot;[ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] 502614;1392343632;mike_c;nevermind, nevermind. anyway, the spread has gotten lower. 502615;1392343653;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids no but see, the argument is that nature did well enough populating the earth without trying to populate the earth 502616;1392343663;mircea_popescu;but merely out of a bunch of things following my rule above. 502617;1392343673;mircea_popescu;meanwhile obama did very poorly trying to "restart the economy" from the top down 502618;1392343688;mircea_popescu;and generally, the ideology surrounding bitcoin is that these two are irreconciliable, and the 2nd is wrong. 502619;1392343807;herbijudlestoids;mike_c: yall seem convinced that you have taught me some kind of lesson...or that im learning it...or whatever...all i can see is approx what i said would happen if undercapitalised, happened. i dont really take any exception to it happening, but to the idea that there was some kind of inherent lesson, or some point, whatever... i dont see it 502620;1392343868;herbijudlestoids;this all started because mircea_popescu asked if i would be his "ATC daytrader on openex" because i mentioned having put on a small cascade of limit sells last night...and i said i didnt think there was anything to the market except the potential for MM 502621;1392343885;Apocalyptic;still talking about this heh ? 502622;1392343889;pankkake;Duffer1: I don't know if it will attract anyone. http://bitbet.us/bet/633/bfl-will-ship-before-activemining/ is almost dead 502623;1392343895;herbijudlestoids;i tried it anyway, to keep an open mind because maybe i am missing some concept... but i dont think i am. 502624;1392343914;herbijudlestoids;apparently this == quant gets creamed 502625;1392343917;pankkake;http://bitbet.us/bet/528/activemining-will-be-profitable-for-most-investors/ was better but required a lot of forum whoring :) 502626;1392343920;ozbot;BitBet - ActiveMining will be profitable for most investors 502627;1392343921;herbijudlestoids;for strange definitions of creamed 502628;1392344047;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: your analogies arent even close to related. nature builds simple robust systems, obama trying to restart a complex system far from equilibrium... 502629;1392344060;Vexual;Prince defined it back in '91 502630;1392344119;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: in no sense am i trying to build a complex system, just provide the seedbed for liquidity in ATCBTC on openex, in the hopes of enticing others to do similar 502631;1392344188;benkay;hope and socialism and a couple million bucks might get you a market. 502632;1392344214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00087115 = 10.3667 BTC [+] 502633;1392344214;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.555 BTC [+] 502634;1392344275;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.08174 = 0.4087 BTC [-] {2} 502635;1392344276;mike_c;herb, i wasn't trying to rile you up. i was just commenting on you saying you didn't care because you lost $9. my point was that's the best kind of loss to learn from if you can. 502636;1392344303;herbijudlestoids;im not riled up lol, im trying to understand wtf 502637;1392344343;mircea_popescu;well ok, so how come my analogies are not related ? 502638;1392344349;jimjenkin;hi mircea 502639;1392344353;mircea_popescu;heya 502640;1392344360;jimjenkin;good post on mtgox 502641;1392344365;mircea_popescu;why ty. 502642;1392344365;jimjenkin;on your blog 502643;1392344381;Apocalyptic;damn i missed the new trilema 502644;1392344412;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids anyway, it's nothing as heavyhanded as "a lesson" blabla, it's just we apparently all seem to see sometyhing there. 502645;1392344463;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: i just explained it? nature does not build systems which drift from equilibrium. obama is literally riding a complex system in escape velocity. the implication is that what i tried to do is ...incorrect...because its obama-esque and not nature-esque...im saying thats so far from what i was trying to accomplish, that i dont understand the connection 502646;1392344490;mircea_popescu;so what were you trying to accomplish ? because it seems one of those polymorphous things which changes under examination. 502647;1392344497;herbijudlestoids;.... 502648;1392344510;mircea_popescu;were you trying to turn a profit, were you trying to improve the atc ecosystem, what was it ? 502649;1392344559;jimjenkin;obama cant build obamacare becuase its impossible to scale 1 system to 330million individuals duh. 502650;1392344583;jimjenkin;that type of health system works in tiny populations like norway 502651;1392344613;mircea_popescu;jimjenkin norway has the advantage it doesn't need to build self-sustaining system, because they're getting free money from the sea. 502652;1392344614;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: what i said to you from the very beginning was that there is no profit to turn, except in the potential for MM, which i am underfunded for, but i would give a crack anyway 502653;1392344627;jimjenkin;thats true too mircea 502654;1392344627;mircea_popescu;so were you trying to turn a profit ? 502655;1392344692;herbijudlestoids;profit can come when there is an actual stack of bids and offers to sell into, in the meantime can make a small market around the diff implied price which encourages others to do same, generating the potential for daytrading, etc 502656;1392344706;mircea_popescu;that's a yes or a no? 502657;1392344716;jimjenkin;lol 502658;1392344737;jimjenkin;answers a simple question with gibberish 502659;1392344755;herbijudlestoids;... 502660;1392344766;herbijudlestoids;am i really speaking gibberish here? 502661;1392344776;jimjenkin;the man asked you a question 502662;1392344777;mircea_popescu;amusingly, this is pretty much bitcoin-fiat dialogue, personified. 502663;1392344871;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: the purpose of my activity, like i explained to you (now 3 times) was to have a go at something i was skeptical would work, specifically because you seemed to think there was some potential in trying the idea out 502664;1392344882;herbijudlestoids;i couldnt decipher what the potential was on questioning 502665;1392344885;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] {2} 502666;1392344886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.0008721 = 13.7792 BTC [+] {2} 502667;1392344892;herbijudlestoids;but willing to keep an open mind and have a go anyway 502668;1392344899;mircea_popescu;so what you're saying is basically that my question can not be answered, in that you can't in retrospect establish if you were or were not trying to turn a profit. 502669;1392344932;herbijudlestoids;i already said from the beginning that its highly unlikely for any business to succeed if undercapitalised and in this case i am undercapitalised for "daytrading ATC on openex" 502670;1392344934;mircea_popescu; you want to learn your lessons when they only cost $9 or when they cost more? << the problem here is, of course, that people will waive their immunity to reality when reality is still powerless. this kind of puts a low bound on everyone's education, and this is why it's so much cheaper to educate poor kids. 502671;1392344947;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids what's that to do with anything ? 502672;1392344956;mircea_popescu;so you said hail mary before stepping on the battlefield. so ? 502673;1392344995;mircea_popescu;mike_c also why slaves are the most educable. they own nothing, are immune to nothing, have no choice but tu learn. 502674;1392345006;jimjenkin;mircea_popescu: can you talk about the latest developments regarding the tx mal. bullshit, does it matter? 502675;1392345030;mircea_popescu;jimjenkin depends what your criteria are, but i dunno why it would generally matter. 502676;1392345087;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: i was not specifically, with the amount of capital input, trying to turn a profit. no. i figured that was clear but apparently not. the goal, specifically, was to entice an "ecosystem" as you put it, into existence, from which a profit can actually be derived. 502677;1392345104;mircea_popescu;so you were not trying to turn a profit, but to build up the ecosystem. 502678;1392345114;mircea_popescu;how is this different from obama trying to "restart the economy" ? 502679;1392345197;herbijudlestoids;i dun really see how its related at all. 502680;1392345210;mircea_popescu;so you perceive no point of contact between the two whatsoever ? 502681;1392345258;jimjenkin;everyone in crypto is trying to build an ecosystem, but they never explain what that ecosystem actually is 502682;1392345282;jimjenkin;another catchphrase of the tech community 502683;1392345301;herbijudlestoids;for the retarded, pls explicitly state what is the point of contact between trying to establish liquidity for exchanging ATCBTC and obama trying to kickstart a disjoint complex system in failure mode 502684;1392345313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16046 @ 0.0008704 = 13.9664 BTC [-] 502685;1392345336;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids the us economy is in state S, obama intends to move it to state S'. 502686;1392345350;mircea_popescu;atc is in state A, you intend to move it to state A' 502687;1392345374;mircea_popescu;it would seem you are substantially both the same thing doing the same thing : having identified a "better" state and labouring to enact this notion of yours into reality. 502688;1392345383;herbijudlestoids;soooo basically, everything fighting entropy in any form whatsoever is now analoguous to obama trying to kickstart the economy 502689;1392345391;mircea_popescu;not in any form whatsoever. 502690;1392345392;herbijudlestoids;my body is in state X and trying to move to state X' 502691;1392345396;herbijudlestoids;my body is obama 502692;1392345398;mircea_popescu;nope. 502693;1392345407;mircea_popescu;your body is not aiming for a state in that sense, but merely proceeding from X. 502694;1392345425;mircea_popescu;you see, if your liver relases glycogen, this is because of X, not because of X'. 502695;1392345438;mircea_popescu;this distinction, which may appear without a difference, is actually the whole story. 502696;1392345493;herbijudlestoids;usually when you type mircea_popescu i feel like there is a ray of insight and knowledge which i can catch and appreciate. not so much today. 502697;1392345527;jimjenkin;so are you trying to make a profit 502698;1392345584;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids i guess it must be cloudy :) 502699;1392345684;random_cat;what is the underlying for mpex options these days? 502700;1392345699;mircea_popescu;random_cat same as always, the bitcoincharts usd basket 502701;1392345705;herbijudlestoids;random_cat: http://mpex.co/faq.html#25 502702;1392345728;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids can you proceed through reductio ad absurdum ? 502703;1392345737;MisterE;how low can it go? 502704;1392345742;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: its been a while, but i guess so 502705;1392345746;MisterE;:D 502706;1392345746;MisterE;for some reason a drop always makes me giddy 502707;1392345764;random_cat;ty 502708;1392345767;mircea_popescu;MisterE in this case it makes me giddy too, i've a boatload of puts. 502709;1392345770;pankkake;http://beta.slashdot.org/story/198141 502710;1392345771;ozbot;Linksys Routers Exploited By "TheMoon" - Slashdot 502711;1392345780;MisterE;:) 502712;1392345793;random_cat;i knew i'd seen the basket answer before, but it got lost somewhere in the grey matter 502713;1392345795;herbijudlestoids;pankkake: there is a slashdot boycott underway you know :P 502714;1392345808;MisterE;fuck beta! 502715;1392345811;herbijudlestoids;^ 502716;1392345838;Jere_Jones;;;bc,24hprc 502717;1392345839;gribble;566.99 502718;1392345892;mircea_popescu;1st comment is pretty cool pankkake 502719;1392345908;mircea_popescu;the only problem is that they're not decentralised, that's why. 502720;1392345916;mircea_popescu;if only they could be decentralised it'd work. 502721;1392345983;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.555 BTC [+] 502722;1392346042;BingoBoingo;.bait 502723;1392346043;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5840m0b5c1r4qqc5o1_1280.jpg 502724;1392346159;KRS-One;she looks fun 502725;1392346178;mircea_popescu;she looks cold. 502726;1392346521;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 502727;1392346522;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 580.21, Best ask: 583.5, Bid-ask spread: 3.29000, Last trade: 580.2, 24 hour volume: 34030.08209270, 24 hour low: 575.13, 24 hour high: 660.0, 24 hour vwap: 623.550568937 502728;1392346693;BingoBoingo;;;asks 10000 502729;1392346694;gribble;There are currently 29342.931 bitcoins offered at or under 10000.0 USD, worth 33898938.0649 USD in total. | Data vintage: 87.7646 seconds 502730;1392346730;BingoBoingo;.bait 502731;1392346731;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4u69wVO941robs3no1_1280.jpg 502732;1392346754;jcpham;goxfail is funny 502733;1392347015;ThickAsThieves;wow you guys really overanalyzed this ATC mm thing 502734;1392347020;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55999999 BTC [+] 502735;1392347030;ThickAsThieves;herb, you did it wrong 502736;1392347037;ThickAsThieves;di it righter next time 502737;1392347039;ThickAsThieves;do* 502738;1392347083;herbijudlestoids;lol thx for the tips ThickAsThieves 502739;1392347101;ThickAsThieves;as soon as i saw your orders i knew you'd fail 502740;1392347121;herbijudlestoids;iv come up with a new strategy to keep hitting the bids with tiny increments and keep the last price down, somebody doesnt like it and has been thickening the book for me 502741;1392347126;ThickAsThieves;though the book looks better now 502742;1392347151;herbijudlestoids;yea they have to keep the book thicker to stop the tiny offers hitting their bids 502743;1392347168;herbijudlestoids;otherwise i can keep the price low indefinitely 502744;1392347233;ThickAsThieves;500 is low? sweet 502745;1392347300;the20year1;375, dang 502746;1392347330;BingoBoingo;Doge just had its first halving, Altcoin need to work on its Moon. 502747;1392347385;the20year1;There is now nearly a $200 gap between gox and coinbase 502748;1392347445;ThickAsThieves;it's not a gap it's a conversion rate 502749;1392347453;ThickAsThieves;goxcash and $ are not the same 502750;1392347486;the20year1;I understand 502751;1392347496;the20year1;however at one time the $ over coinbase price was quite high 502752;1392347512;taub;still spooky watching gox die like this 502753;1392347531;herbijudlestoids;http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/13/silk-road-2-hacked-88000-bitcoin-allegedly-stolen/ 502754;1392347532;ozbot;Silk Road 2 Hacked, Over 4,000 Bitcoin Allegedly Stolen | TechCrunch 502755;1392347544;the20year1;What's this reference wallet stuff> 502756;1392347574;ThickAsThieves;maybe Silk Road 3 will be the charm! 502757;1392347601;ThickAsThieves;;;ticker 502758;1392347603;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 555.73, Best ask: 556.01, Bid-ask spread: 0.28000, Last trade: 556.0, 24 hour volume: 36665.57017113, 24 hour low: 555.0, 24 hour high: 660.0, 24 hour vwap: 621.045881481 502759;1392347610;ThickAsThieves;cheap coins 502760;1392347630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12794 @ 0.00087083 = 11.1414 BTC [+] {2} 502761;1392347632;ThickAsThieves;wow 502762;1392347637;ThickAsThieves;gox is at 360 502763;1392347642;ThickAsThieves;308 502764;1392347645;ThickAsThieves;wow 502765;1392347657;Vexual;do they still have any magic cards to trade? 502766;1392347669;ThickAsThieves;that was weird 502767;1392347677;ThickAsThieves;the book just disappeared and reappeared 502768;1392347692;ThickAsThieves;bids were filling at 305 502769;1392347709;ThickAsThieves;then like 3000btc of bids reappeared 502770;1392347712;ThickAsThieves;wtf 502771;1392347732;herbijudlestoids;bids filled at 302 502772;1392347746;ThickAsThieves;how do they many orders just appear? 502773;1392347749;ThickAsThieves;that* 502774;1392347783;ThickAsThieves;something fishy 502775;1392347800;ThickAsThieves;or maybe the feed was outta whack 502776;1392347865;ThickAsThieves;now the bid is $20 over the ask 502777;1392347982;ThickAsThieves;this is it boys 502778;1392347994;ThickAsThieves;gox is gasping for air 502779;1392348001;mike_c;it is in freefall 502780;1392348021;ThickAsThieves;these guys are just shorting on losses to eachother 502781;1392348032;ThickAsThieves;it's gonna break 200 i bet 502782;1392348036;twizt;below 100 502783;1392348037;twizt;lol 502784;1392348043;the20year1;312 502785;1392348044;twizt;imo 502786;1392348122;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: what do you mean shorting 502787;1392348127;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2014/02/nuclear-arm-fuse-safe-panel.htm 502788;1392348133;herbijudlestoids;i thought gox was a long only market 502789;1392348134;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves> it's not a gap it's a conversion rate << more like a convulsion rate. 502790;1392348152;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids i thought they were 5k btc yest. 502791;1392348176;benkay;also lulzy 502792;1392348179;benkay;https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/700-mtgox-insolvency/ 502793;1392348188;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: you thought what was 5000BTC yesterday? 502794;1392348189;ThickAsThieves;i mean people are panicking, thinking they are actually selling at a loss so they can buy cheaper 502795;1392348192;ThickAsThieves;but no one is left 502796;1392348198;ThickAsThieves;they are just pushing it to 0 502797;1392348198;herbijudlestoids;ah right 502798;1392348231;herbijudlestoids;well if they have halted bitcoin withdrawals then... 502799;1392348264;ThickAsThieves;or, 502800;1392348271;ThickAsThieves;gox knows theyve been had 502801;1392348281;MisterE;if they have halted withdrawals its over 502802;1392348282;ThickAsThieves;and is fractional big time 502803;1392348298;herbijudlestoids;MisterE: from my understanding only bitcoin withdrawals have been halted 502804;1392348301;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.0028036 = 1.4018 BTC [-] {8} 502805;1392348317;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: i get the feeling it wasnt fractional until the US Gov took several millions of their monies :P 502806;1392348317;ThickAsThieves;i dont envy the goxer right now? 502807;1392348319;MisterE;I still cant find any difinitive news about it 502808;1392348323;ThickAsThieves;which currency to fall back on? 502809;1392348329;ThickAsThieves;goxcash or goxcoins? 502810;1392348352;MisterE;yea I never wanted to trade at Gox ever 502811;1392348355;ThickAsThieves;herb it's been fractional since they decided to have a God account 502812;1392348360;MisterE;not after their harsh verification crap 502813;1392348362;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1500 @ 0.00279702 = 4.1955 BTC [-] {5} 502814;1392348389;herbijudlestoids;MisterE: isnt that weird that you can never seem to find information? lol .... https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20140210.html " As you are aware, the MtGox team has been working hard to address an issue with the way that bitcoin withdrawals are processed. By "bitcoin withdrawal" we are referring to transactions from a MtGox bitcoin wallet to an external bitcoin address. Bitcoin transactions to any MtGox bitcoin 502815;1392348479;mircea_popescu; this is it boys << you have any idea how many different times in its history gox showed crossed wire ? 502816;1392348496;MisterE;wow Gox at $340 now 502817;1392348532;MisterE;btc-e and huboi ftw! 502818;1392348535;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids as far as i recall the original reports of the sr 2.0 failure placed the loss at 5k btc 502819;1392348541;mircea_popescu;which was a gross overstatement even then 502820;1392348551;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: ah right in reference to SR2. thx 502821;1392348553;ThickAsThieves;mp, cant you just let me be dramatic! 502822;1392348563;mircea_popescu;a ok 502823;1392348564;MisterE;Japan is always lying about their stuff that goes wrong 502824;1392348572;mircea_popescu;MisterE the guy is a french citizen 502825;1392348577;MisterE;it's the asian face saving thing 502826;1392348579;herbijudlestoids;MisterE: is btc-e really that trustworthy? 502827;1392348581;mircea_popescu;who apparently grew up in a romanian orphanage (?!) 502828;1392348586;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids no. 502829;1392348591;herbijudlestoids;thought so 502830;1392348602;herbijudlestoids;so, ftl :P 502831;1392348604;ThickAsThieves;oh i forgot to check how reddit is doing 502832;1392348606;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1226 @ 0.000257 = 0.3151 BTC [+] 502833;1392348615;MisterE;whats wrong with btc-e? 502834;1392348624;ThickAsThieves;reddit is asleep i guess 502835;1392348634;mircea_popescu;they were involved in at least one case of pumping a premined coin 502836;1392348644;mircea_popescu;back before this had become standard reddit practice 502837;1392348644;MisterE;oh? which? 502838;1392348651;MisterE;ahh 502839;1392348654;mircea_popescu;what was it even called, puresomething 502840;1392348667;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00087259 = 17.8445 BTC [+] {2} 502841;1392348669;MisterE;theres almost 100 altcoins now 502842;1392348676;ThickAsThieves;novacoin 502843;1392348682;ThickAsThieves;was btc-e's scamcoin 502844;1392348683;MisterE;I think that counts the ones that have failed too 502845;1392348684;mircea_popescu;and otherwise, sort-of dubious russian folk. not necessarily untrustworthy, just not particularly trustworthy for any reasons. 502846;1392348692;MisterE;huh, interesting 502847;1392348703;mircea_popescu;MisterE no coin ever fails. much like the us dollar, a coin has no actual obligations 502848;1392348705;MisterE;yea thats the only thing that worried me was the Russian angle 502849;1392348706;mircea_popescu;and so can never fail. 502850;1392348716;MisterE;well people drop it 502851;1392348720;MisterE;like Coinye 502852;1392348720;mircea_popescu;sure 502853;1392348727;MisterE;hashrate falls, etc. 502854;1392348734;ThickAsThieves;coins are zen 502855;1392348735;MisterE;LTC is dying a slow death 502856;1392348745;the20year1;russian angle? 502857;1392348749;ThickAsThieves;it is man who holds discontent 502858;1392348753;cazalla;MisterE: it'll be on gox any moment! 502859;1392348755;MisterE;yea it's Russian owned 502860;1392348766;MisterE;or started in Russia or someting 502861;1392348775;MisterE;lol cazalla 502862;1392348778;ThickAsThieves;just got another message, "what are your long-term plans for Altcoin?" 502863;1392348780;benkay;MisterE: better to assume everything's a scam but Bitcoin. 502864;1392348790;MisterE;that is their only hope is to take on altcoins 502865;1392348851;mircea_popescu;either that or to take cock. 502866;1392348889;herbijudlestoids;kakobrekla: still there? 502867;1392348917;MisterE;haha 502868;1392348921;MisterE;cock pays 502869;1392348925;MisterE;always has, always will 502870;1392348962;ThickAsThieves;;;market sell 5000 --mtgox 502871;1392348964;gribble;(market sell [--usd] [--market ] ) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of bitcoins. If is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, denotes the size of the order in USD. 502872;1392348981;ThickAsThieves;;;market sell 5000 502873;1392348984;gribble;A market order to sell 5000 bitcoins right now would net 1616577.0448 USD and would take the last price down to 291.3229 USD, resulting in an average price of 323.3154 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.1923 seconds 502874;1392348998;mircea_popescu;;;market sell 5000 --market mtgox 502875;1392348999;gribble;(market sell [--usd] [--market ] ) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of bitcoins. If is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, denotes the size of the order in USD. 502876;1392349005;mircea_popescu;took it out huh. 502877;1392349015;ThickAsThieves;gox is default still 502878;1392349041;mike_c;ATC is fifth highest volume on openex 502879;1392349090;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maj7hslN4H1ru15g3o1_500.jpg << cold water. it doesn't shrink only cocks. boobs too. 502880;1392349097;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves no it's not 502881;1392349121;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: lelll youre like an artist and your theme is "one naked lady amongst many clothed people" 502882;1392349135;herbijudlestoids;always. 502883;1392349142;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids aka "the human condition" 502884;1392349153;herbijudlestoids;too cryptic for the retarded 502885;1392349155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19221 @ 0.00086838 = 16.6911 BTC [-] {2} 502886;1392349192;mircea_popescu;the human condition is a major theme in artwork across the centuries. 502887;1392349210;ThickAsThieves; ThickAsThieves no it's not <<< it is for the market command it seems 502888;1392349227;mircea_popescu;omg what sloppy banishment is this 502889;1392349232;mircea_popescu;;;market sell 5000 --market bitstamp 502890;1392349233;gribble;(market sell [--usd] [--market ] ) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of bitcoins. If is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, denotes the size of the order in USD. 502891;1392349244;ThickAsThieves;dat syntax 502892;1392349252;mircea_popescu;;;market sell 5000 --usd --market bitstamp 502893;1392349253;gribble;(market sell [--usd] [--market ] ) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of bitcoins. If is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, denotes the size of the order in USD. 502894;1392349269;mike_c;;;market sell --market bitstamp 5000 502895;1392349269;gribble;A market order to sell 5000 bitcoins right now would net 2665619.2280 USD and would take the last price down to 500.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 533.1238 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0463 seconds 502896;1392349270;taub;marketmaking in these chinese exchanges is too tough 502897;1392349271;mircea_popescu;o wait hah 502898;1392349273;taub;or not worth it 502899;1392349275;BingoBoingo;;;market sell 25000 502900;1392349276;taub;too much competition 502901;1392349278;gribble;A market order to sell 25000 bitcoins right now would net 5136084.7808 USD and would take the last price down to 100.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 205.4434 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0754 seconds 502902;1392349287;taub;don't lose money, but don't make any either 502903;1392349297;taub;just swapping btc back and forth for 0% fee 502904;1392349305;mircea_popescu;;;market sell --market mtgox 25000 502905;1392349305;gribble;A market order to sell 25000 bitcoins right now would net 5136084.7808 USD and would take the last price down to 100.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 205.4434 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 27.7914 seconds 502906;1392349311;mircea_popescu;it is the default. 502907;1392349326;taub;yea 502908;1392349331;mircea_popescu;bs. 502909;1392349379;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/oX8YkXt.png 502910;1392349398;ThickAsThieves;lol 502911;1392349499;herbijudlestoids;valentines day in aus already. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhrBDcQq2DM 502912;1392349515;herbijudlestoids;gotta say, funniest vday on facebook iv ever seen, people are making good jokes 502913;1392349521;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00531947 = 0.5319 BTC [-] {3} 502914;1392349540;ThickAsThieves;does it involve Australian kisses? 502915;1392349558;herbijudlestoids;are Australian kisses something people overseas think we do but actually dont? :P 502916;1392349573;B007;;;market sell 100000 502917;1392349574;gribble;A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 7106160.6930 USD and would take the last price down to 2.6954 USD, resulting in an average price of 71.0616 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.1413 seconds 502918;1392349583;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 213 @ 0.00083555 = 0.178 BTC [+] 502919;1392349588;ThickAsThieves;they are kisses "down under" 502920;1392349607;herbijudlestoids;ahha ThickAsThieves, this is one of the posts "Fuck roses, lick 'er cunt." 502921;1392349607;B007;;;market sell 10000000 502922;1392349608;gribble;A market order to sell 10000000 bitcoins right now would net 7228836.5211 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0001 USD, resulting in an average price of 0.7229 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 34.2271 seconds 502923;1392349616;ThickAsThieves;lol 502924;1392349640;mircea_popescu;wasn't it "in the bush" ? 502925;1392349649;KRS-One;.bait 502926;1392349650;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0qjw8mfAV1r1slc5o1_1280.jpg 502927;1392349652;herbijudlestoids;also lots of people are saying happy Vladintines day, with pictures of putin being seductive, fucken hilarious 502928;1392349663;benkay;does namecoin work? 502929;1392349680;ThickAsThieves;supposedly they have a new browser plugin for it 502930;1392349690;ThickAsThieves;some PR about it today 502931;1392349697;benkay;as in does what ams said on tin? 502932;1392349697;B007;;;market sell 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 502933;1392349697;gribble;This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would sell 0 bitcoins, for a total of 7229404.4576 USD and take the price to 0. | Data vintage: 123.7412 seconds 502934;1392349699;mircea_popescu;it sort-of works 502935;1392349710;herbijudlestoids;benkay: i thought there was an issue that broke it, but apparently its been fixed, so i assume so 502936;1392349724;KRS-One;;;market buy .bait 502937;1392349724;gribble;Error: '.bait' is not a valid non-negative floating point number. 502938;1392349731;B007;;;market sell 10 502939;1392349732;gribble;A market order to sell 10 bitcoins right now would net 3909.1550 USD and would take the last price down to 387.0100 USD, resulting in an average price of 390.9155 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 158.0034 seconds 502940;1392349744;herbijudlestoids;B007: having fun there? 502941;1392349757;B007;wait where can i buy for 390 502942;1392349763;herbijudlestoids;... 502943;1392349765;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.071625 = 0.4298 BTC [+] {3} 502944;1392349768;KRS-One;mtgox ...go 502945;1392349789;benkay;;;market sell KRS-One 502946;1392349790;gribble;Error: 'KRS-One' is not a valid non-negative floating point number. 502947;1392349798;KRS-One;cant afford meh 502948;1392349810;ThickAsThieves;;;market sell 1 kilo 502949;1392349811;gribble;(market sell [--usd] [--market ] ) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of bitcoins. If is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, denotes the size of the order in USD. 502950;1392349824;Namworld;Oh fuckin bullshit 502951;1392349825;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves take you about three weeks. 502952;1392349836;ThickAsThieves;;;market sell --silkroad 1 kilo 502953;1392349836;gribble;(market sell [--usd] [--market ] ) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of bitcoins. If is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, denotes the size of the order in USD. 502954;1392349845;ThickAsThieves;oh wait 502955;1392349846;Namworld;Yet again I can't do stuff not related to driving because they only take driver's license as a form of ID. 502956;1392349850;ThickAsThieves;;;market sell --silkroad 2 1 kilo 502957;1392349851;gribble;(market sell [--usd] [--market ] ) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of bitcoins. If is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, denotes the size of the order in USD. 502958;1392349856;ThickAsThieves;ok ill stop 502959;1392349856;Namworld;Seriously... 502960;1392349860;B007;wait coinbase you can sell for 600 502961;1392349861;mircea_popescu;good idea. 502962;1392349878;B007;are mtgox buys not going though? 502963;1392349882;mircea_popescu;Namworld clearly you're a terrorist, because everyone drives 502964;1392349886;mircea_popescu;only the terrorists fly. 502965;1392349930;Namworld;Yes. Obviously. Planning to take over the world with my flying fortress that rains doom. 502966;1392349943;ThickAsThieves;Canada doesnt have an ID card that works just like license? 502967;1392349969;mircea_popescu;canada has something that works ?! 502968;1392349987;B007;canada is like mini usa 502969;1392350001;Namworld;No. Not in French Canada. 502970;1392350030;Namworld;And it's a canadian business. Photo ID or Driver's license - No passport or provincial health card. 502971;1392350062;benkay;a coupla chainsaws mebbe 502972;1392350065;B007;;;market buy 10000 502973;1392350065;gribble;A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 6752680.8043 USD and would take the last price up to 949.2028 USD, resulting in an average price of 675.2681 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 56.0308 seconds 502974;1392350069;Namworld;I only have passport and health card available here. 502975;1392350092;benkay;a bicycle? 502976;1392350132;moiety;morning, muffins are atually in the process of being made finally! [kiwi/apple] 502977;1392350200;herbijudlestoids;moiety: how much do kiwis cost in scotland! 502978;1392350206;B007;I have a $50,000.00 USD sell limit; anybody wanna sell? 502979;1392350213;moiety;kiwis are so underrated 502980;1392350227;herbijudlestoids;moiety: we get em cheap here cos just across the pond from NZ 502981;1392350232;moiety;just using jam herbi, its the bestthing to use for muffins 502982;1392350241;herbijudlestoids;ah true 502983;1392350247;moiety;i love the NZ accent, i wonder if they all sound so cheeky 502984;1392350250;ThickAsThieves;kiwis are so so 502985;1392350270;moiety;i wonder if my muffins will turn out green, hope so 502986;1392350276;moiety;might make them blue, i have dye 502987;1392350287;ThickAsThieves;they will turn out acidic 502988;1392350287;bloctoc;B007 that's a question for bitcoin-otc this forum is exclusively for smart-ass commentary 502989;1392350305;benkay;https://medium.com/p/9f53ef6a1c10/ 502990;1392350335;benkay;polizei in america 502991;1392350368;B007;scary 502992;1392350393;Duffer1;r/Bad_cop_no_donut 502993;1392350458;B007;;;market buy 100000 502994;1392350459;gribble;This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 31159.02 bitcoins, for a total of 594758785.7867 USD and take the price to 1000000000.0000. | Data vintage: 202.6239 seconds 502995;1392350520;herbijudlestoids;B007: just for the record, you know you can talk to gribble in /query right? :) 502996;1392350647;B007;yeah I should probably do that 502997;1392350703;moiety;ye of little faith ThickAsThieves 502998;1392350741;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1175 @ 0.0027757 = 3.2614 BTC [-] {8} 502999;1392350817;herbijudlestoids;benkay: yo that article is fucked right up. 503000;1392350924;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12000 @ 0.00025694 = 3.0833 BTC [+] {7} 503001;1392350968;benkay;nah, right in line with predictions. 503002;1392350985;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00275 = 0.385 BTC [-] {3} 503003;1392351034;Namworld;Can someone explain to me why CasinoBitcoin trades at 400 MONTHS of profits now? Keeps raising. 503004;1392351071;herbijudlestoids;benkay: true enough 503005;1392351095;benkay;did you hear about the kid who got sent away for more than just one night for getting sarcastic on the internet? 503006;1392351099;benkay;http://www.dallasobserver.com/2014-02-13/news/the-facebook-comment-that-ruined-a-life/full/ 503007;1392351099;ozbot;The Facebook Comment That Ruined a Life - - News - Dallas - Dallas Observer 503008;1392351102;Duffer1;Namworld probably gambling on possible buyout price 503009;1392351107;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1946 @ 0.00025749 = 0.5011 BTC [+] {3} 503010;1392351186;herbijudlestoids;benkay: yea heard plenty of those stories 503011;1392351191;herbijudlestoids;holllyyyyy shitballs! YESSSSS 503012;1392351194;herbijudlestoids;i just got word 503013;1392351206;Duffer1;oh Namworld they acquired bit777 and peerbet 503014;1392351207;herbijudlestoids;my company landed the big customer we have been courting :) 503015;1392351222;herbijudlestoids;let the cash flowwwww 503016;1392351227;Duffer1;announced yesterday 503017;1392351323;moiety;i remember that benkay, ridiculous 503018;1392351391;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids wd. 503019;1392351406;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 how much does one pay for one of the casinos ? 503020;1392351413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14063 @ 0.00087096 = 12.2483 BTC [+] {2} 503021;1392351432;benkay;congrats herbi, we just fired a client. 503022;1392351435;benkay;let me know if you need ops support ;) 503023;1392351441;Duffer1;"Terms of the deal have not been disclosed. " 503024;1392351445;mircea_popescu;derp. 503025;1392351447;Duffer1;https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=CBTC 503026;1392351447;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: we got a buyout offer from a large company, now we can tell them to f off or value us at 10-20 times more 503027;1392351456;Duffer1;Updates tab has the announce 503028;1392351456;herbijudlestoids;this huge 503029;1392351468;benkay;us-pacific tz 503030;1392351522;mircea_popescu;lol ultraplay actually owned those shits ?! 503031;1392351529;mircea_popescu;this must be a misnomer. 503032;1392351544;mircea_popescu;"CasinoBitco.in (CBTC) was the first Bitcoin-only gaming establishment to offer unique, provably-fair games along with a full Sportsbook. Operating successfully since May 2013" 503033;1392351545;mircea_popescu;derp. 503034;1392351562;mircea_popescu;how retarded do you have to be to claim first=anything in 2013 ?! 503035;1392351574;the20year1;i'm the first rentalstarter on bitcoin in 2013 503036;1392351593;mircea_popescu;"trong financials Bit777/Peerbet" 503037;1392351604;Duffer1;i'm shocked kenilworth still hasn't been listed, it's been a month 503038;1392351609;mircea_popescu;i wonder what the strong financials those'd be. undisclosed as is customary ? 503039;1392351619;mircea_popescu;the20year1 you may well be, actually. 503040;1392351642;the20year1;I don't know why Duffer1. They said they were listing at HL, and it took me from Jan 9th to Feb 7th to get listed. 503041;1392351659;the20year1;And that's with 10 days of them having lost our paperwork 503042;1392351659;Duffer1;cbtc financials: we took in the pooper but since we were so overvalued to begin with we used the remainder to buy the competition 503043;1392351674;mircea_popescu;http://gambleonlinewithbitcoin.com/blog/?p=65 ahahaha check out this nonsense 503044;1392351675;ozbot;CasinoBitco.in – Bitcoin Gambling Market Analysis | CasinoBitco.in | Bitcoin Gaming 503045;1392351683;Duffer1;took it* 503046;1392351708;benkay;how much of your ipo have you sold, the20year1? 503047;1392351789;mike_c;!t h rent 503048;1392351790;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (1183 shares, 6.50650000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (30188 shares, 166.03400000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (30188 shares, 166.03400000 BTC) 503049;1392351798;the20year1;48346 out of 78534 503050;1392351818;mike_c;assbot is lagged? he says 30188 503051;1392351840;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00491499 = 0.2457 BTC [-] {5} 503052;1392351856;the20year1;So what, 39% or so of the first round has been sold 503053;1392351861;mircea_popescu;!jd 503054;1392351862;assbot;Just-Dice stat: 14272 BTC profit, 41.5k BTC invested, 630.69 mio bets, 5.00 mio BTC wagered 503055;1392351873;the20year1;I'm not sure how the calculate it, since we had shares from bitfunder that migrated 503056;1392351900;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 32 @ 0.0049143 = 0.1573 BTC [-] {2} 503057;1392351942;mike_c;some guy just dropped 1k btc on jd. it was a ride. 503058;1392351958;moiety;o.o 503059;1392351973;moiety;\o/ muffins turned out :D 503060;1392351976;ThickAsThieves; i'm shocked kenilworth still hasn't been listed, it's been a month <<< they probly cant afford the listing fees 503061;1392351982;benkay;who's responsible for keeping track of that? 503062;1392351983;ThickAsThieves;plus theyre a scam anyway 503063;1392352007;Vexual;i'm shocked asic hasn't told em off yet 503064;1392352012;benkay;hl? 503065;1392352012;Duffer1;i know lol that's why i'm surprised havelock hasn't fallen all over itself to list them 503066;1392352014;moiety;my muffins are not a scam, how dare you 503067;1392352036;ThickAsThieves;i believe! 503068;1392352048;benkay;it's kinda crazy there's nowhere you can point and be like "look: notional float adds up simply" 503069;1392352061;Duffer1;maybe kenilworth too greedy to share the spoils of their scam with havelock 503070;1392352081;ThickAsThieves;no kenilworth just didnt fool enough people to get any volume 503071;1392352084;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15738 @ 0.00087297 = 13.7388 BTC [+] 503072;1392352090;Vexual;but they got a new landcruiser 503073;1392352112;benkay;el oh el everything's a scam 503074;1392352116;benkay;i'm going for a slice of pizza 503075;1392352117;ThickAsThieves;is that what the call kangaroos now? 503076;1392352123;Duffer1;i'm pretty sure they got thousands 503077;1392352144;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1075 @ 0.00083462 = 0.8972 BTC [-] {5} 503078;1392352155;ThickAsThieves;cuz they got em from you? 503079;1392352186;Duffer1;they didn't get a satoshi from me 503080;1392352187;moiety;kangaroos are scary http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/7f/60/b0/7f60b0704a735ea15ec0ca688cfd7f39.jpg 503081;1392352205;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 272 @ 0.00083402 = 0.2269 BTC [-] {2} 503082;1392352264;Vexual;landcruiser is rock where kangaroo is scissors 503083;1392352288;the20year1;i imagine they're like all sorts of real world IPOs, milk the capital till it's dry, move on 503084;1392352297;Vexual;? 503085;1392352303;mircea_popescu;what, moiety's muffin is a scam ?! 503086;1392352314;moiety;FUD mircea_popescu!! 503087;1392352327;mircea_popescu;"fuck you doo" ? 503088;1392352354;Vexual;dont ill bust another gut 503089;1392352377;mircea_popescu;the20year1 like facebook, groupon, twitter etc ? 503090;1392352424;mircea_popescu;!t h cbtc 503091;1392352425;assbot;[HAVELOCK:CBTC] 1D: 0.00012000 / 0.00020914 / 0.00025998 (246707 shares, 51.59604926 BTC), 7D: 0.00002001 / 0.00015478 / 0.00025998 (1080713 shares, 167.27789495 BTC), 30D: 0.00002001 / 0.00012483 / 0.00025998 (2308771 shares, 288.19321627 BTC) 503092;1392352434;mircea_popescu;;;calc 3000000 * 0.00012483 503093;1392352434;gribble;374.49 503094;1392352437;ThickAsThieves;facebook will let you choose special genders now 503095;1392352448;Vexual;so will aussie passports 503096;1392352451;moiety;no, the muffins are not a lie! 503097;1392352452;mircea_popescu;derp. the largest casino IN THE WORLD is worth less than pocket change 503098;1392352456;moiety;special genders? 503099;1392352459;mircea_popescu;yet it "Acquires" things and whatnot 503100;1392352460;Vexual;other 503101;1392352462;asciilifeform;http://nnsa.energy.gov/mediaroom/pressreleases/b61lep 503102;1392352462;ozbot;NNSA Reaches B61-12 Life Extension Program Milestone: First Full-System Mechanical Environment Test 503103;1392352469;moiety;retarded bi? 503104;1392352478;Vexual;necessity 503105;1392352484;asciilifeform;(but no pop! disappointment.) 503106;1392352497;ThickAsThieves;Havelock says CBTC market is 2034btc 503107;1392352502;mircea_popescu;wait! t\hey trade at a deep discount! 503108;1392352537;ThickAsThieves;it also says AM1 is 10899btc 503109;1392352548;ThickAsThieves;which is pretty funny 503110;1392352577;ThickAsThieves;cuz it'd be way higher, yet could never ever survive slippage 503111;1392352592;herbijudlestoids;302 looks like its holding the lows on gox 503112;1392352601;herbijudlestoids;light activity ~400ish 503113;1392352627;Vexual;who cares about magic the gathering, whats atc doing? 503114;1392352632;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00547192 = 0.5472 BTC [+] {4} 503115;1392352635;ThickAsThieves;i managed some coinbase buys at 550 503116;1392352654;herbijudlestoids;Vexual: currently im frustrating all of BingoBoingos attempts to get the price to read 700 :P 503117;1392352667;Vexual;you need some collateral mate? 503118;1392352678;mircea_popescu;omg aussie conspiraci 503119;1392352694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20750 @ 0.00086822 = 18.0156 BTC [-] {4} 503120;1392352699;herbijudlestoids;nah plenty of ATC on hand, he can easily stop my efforts by continuing to fatten out the book 503121;1392352701;ThickAsThieves;aboriginal espionage 503122;1392352705;herbijudlestoids;actually looks quite nice now 503123;1392352723;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids does that clarify the point, incidentally ? 503124;1392352734;the20year1;mircea_popescu: sort of. All these little tech startups suck their funding dry and then move on to 'the next big thing' and screw over some other institutional investor 503125;1392352736;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu? 503126;1392352736;moiety;how is ATC doing ThickAsThieves should i have a wallet by now? 503127;1392352753;ThickAsThieves;you dont need a wallet til you buy some 503128;1392352756;the20year1;For a few years my brother worked for one such tech startup, their stupidity was amazing 503129;1392352756;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 503130;1392352791;ThickAsThieves;so far ATC has seen lows of like 150sat to highs of 700 503131;1392352792;herbijudlestoids;moiety: get a wallet and i will send you one freshly mined ATC no strings attached! 503132;1392352803;herbijudlestoids;well..its 120 blocks old... 503133;1392352810;the20year1;Spent several million dollars on a rock band for pc where you used your keyboard. First week sales were a couple hundred dollars 503134;1392352813;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves it had lows of like 125 fo sho 503135;1392352820;ThickAsThieves;word 503136;1392352832;mircea_popescu;the20year you mean like guitar hero ? 503137;1392352836;ThickAsThieves;i'd value it at about 1750sat 503138;1392352838;herbijudlestoids;lows were 110 yall. 503139;1392352851;the20year1;yeah mircea_popescu that too 503140;1392352857;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves get out of here, 10x doge ? 503141;1392352861;mircea_popescu;or is it 100x doge by now 503142;1392352866;ThickAsThieves;well doge has more coins 503143;1392352876;Vexual;how many more? 503144;1392352881;ThickAsThieves;tons 503145;1392352892;herbijudlestoids;only a few satoshis above doge 503146;1392352905;ThickAsThieves;cant compare just by mkt price 503147;1392352913;herbijudlestoids;can so :P 503148;1392352924;ThickAsThieves;probly how everyone else does... 503149;1392352928;mircea_popescu;srsly, why can't i 503150;1392352930;Vexual;noone knows, they moved the cap 503151;1392352954;moiety;that's really kind herbi, but it's ok, i could try and mine one myself... OH I got my vanity! but its all mixed case D: 503152;1392352967;ThickAsThieves;total supply of doge is listed at 50trilliom 503153;1392352970;mircea_popescu;actually atc book looks deeper than doge book 503154;1392352972;ThickAsThieves;n 503155;1392352988;ThickAsThieves;total supply of ATC is like 268m 503156;1392353000;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: i think bingo has been thickening it up while we argued earlier, cos i kept pinging his bids hehe 503157;1392353006;herbijudlestoids;looks good now i admit 503158;1392353016;ThickAsThieves;i'm in there too ;) 503159;1392353021;herbijudlestoids;yey 503160;1392353107;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: regardless of the total supply, if i can go to market and get more satoshis per dogecoin (and i can, the liquidity is way better) then.... 503161;1392353125;ThickAsThieves;lol these coins i bought on coinbase like an hour ago are +$70 503162;1392353160;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321699.msg5065312#msg5065312 503163;1392353166;mircea_popescu;derp. "i wasn't here so nothing happened" 503164;1392353173;ozbot;Is mcxNow trustful? 503165;1392353208;mircea_popescu;pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459281.msg5131910#msg5131910 503166;1392353258;ThickAsThieves;lol 503167;1392353280;herbijudlestoids;Vexual: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/george-brandis-signals-government-crackdown-on-online-piracy-20140214-32q62.html 503168;1392353338;ThickAsThieves;bitfetch.com seems to have died 503169;1392353348;ThickAsThieves;Scrat ^ 503170;1392353365;ThickAsThieves;meh scrat aint here and dont care probly 503171;1392353371;mircea_popescu;what was bitfetch ? 503172;1392353394;ThickAsThieves;torrent dl condom 503173;1392353419;herbijudlestoids;ok so another idea i had 503174;1392353433;herbijudlestoids;was AWS S3 style storage 503175;1392353436;herbijudlestoids;but billed in bitcoin 503176;1392353448;herbijudlestoids;crazy? stupid? useful? 503177;1392353448;ThickAsThieves;billed? 503178;1392353460;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: cloud storage is billed usually by the GB/month 503179;1392353470;herbijudlestoids;like 10c/GB/month 503180;1392353485;herbijudlestoids;so instead of 10c its 10c equiv of bitcoin 503181;1392353492;ThickAsThieves;so billed in fiat, but payable in btc 503182;1392353524;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids just kind-of old. 503183;1392353544;mircea_popescu;nobody has yet done a splendid job of bitcoin-based hosting, and there'd definitely be demand. 503184;1392353561;herbijudlestoids;web hosting you mean? 503185;1392353574;mircea_popescu;aws w/e 503186;1392353587;herbijudlestoids;right 503187;1392353654;mod6;can you withdraw atc @ openex? or just btc? 503188;1392353657;mircea_popescu;you'll likely move from offering just storage to offering processing too anyway 503189;1392353658;Bunnyh;how come some of my Altcoin block rewards are only 50 ATC ? i've mined a couple hundred blocks and most are 512, but three blocks are only 50 503190;1392353668;herbijudlestoids;mod6: yea anything they trade is withdrawable 503191;1392353678;mod6;cool, thx her 503192;1392353680;mircea_popescu;Bunnyh nopw that sounds like a bug 503193;1392353688;mircea_popescu;can you identify such a block ? 503194;1392353695;mod6;herb* 503195;1392353740;Bunnyh;txids: 600b598d44a39d0d6c98a02462ce453296ce0733b8febd039a1173f205519d7f 64c330b169c013de2da3137b11a9bf110f91118b9c00af7f4a4ce4921f674c9c f50ed30a51ad8b40660fb96c43f3b44dffb57652e4c3ee208fa768f5fcff4684 503196;1392353755;Bunnyh;http://atc.blockr.io/tx/info/f50ed30a51ad8b40660fb96c43f3b44dffb57652e4c3ee208fa768f5fcff4684 503197;1392353806;mircea_popescu;weird. 503198;1392353815;Vexual;shit 503199;1392353837;herbijudlestoids;mod6: withdrawals seem to require manual admin approval while theyre still in beta so keep that in mind 503200;1392353849;herbijudlestoids;i seen lots of people complaining in the chat cos they thought theyre automatic 503201;1392353913;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 503202;1392353917;herbijudlestoids;Bunnyh: that is kind of weird yeah. 503203;1392353937;herbijudlestoids;Bunnyh: got debug.log from your altcoind? 503204;1392353974;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 139 @ 0.50462769 = 70.1432 BTC [-] {43} 503205;1392353992;ThickAsThieves;maybe we discover how to hack bitcoin to have smaller block rewards 503206;1392353992;Bunnyh;yes i think so, unless it has already rotated enough so that those blocks aren't visible 503207;1392354018;Bunnyh;can't access it until after a few hours though 503208;1392354035;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.545 BTC [+] 503209;1392354047;mod6;herbi: thanks for the heads up. 503210;1392354063;herbijudlestoids;Bunnyh: i just checked my debug.log which goes back to the 9th of this month...none of those hashes are in there 503211;1392354083;herbijudlestoids;looks like theyre older than what i got 503212;1392354101;Bunnyh;i mined them on the 2nd 503213;1392354120;Bunnyh;and with eloipool actually, so i guess debug.log wouldn't have anything interesting anyway 503214;1392354149;mircea_popescu;sounds like the code change might have been a little buggy ? 503215;1392354152;herbijudlestoids;wait, did you mine them solo or in pool? 503216;1392354160;mircea_popescu;perhaps it allows you to declare 50 btc new blocks if you wish, even if they shoulkd be 512 ? 503217;1392354161;Vexual;lol 503218;1392354170;herbijudlestoids;or personal pool? 503219;1392354179;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids makes no diff really, cause the block was the block 503220;1392354181;Bunnyh;herbijudlestoids: solo pool, i had too much hashpower to use altcoind directly 503221;1392354201;Vexual;did you get any 512 blocks like that? 503222;1392354208;Bunnyh;yes, hundreds 503223;1392354221;Bunnyh;just those three 50 ATC blocks randomly 503224;1392354236;Vexual;why you telling people thne? 503225;1392354255;herbijudlestoids;it would still be good to see a log of the altcoind encountering those blocks and see what its saying 503226;1392354257;ThickAsThieves;we didnt have the source code on the 2nd tho 503227;1392354262;ThickAsThieves;did we? 503228;1392354262;mircea_popescu;pankkake ^ you ever heard of shit like that ? 503229;1392354274;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: no 503230;1392354281;Bunnyh;Vexual: huh? i'm just interested in how/why that could happen 503231;1392354340;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.481 BTC [-] 503232;1392354360;Vexual;are you mining bc on the same rig? 503233;1392354385;MisterE;too much hashpower is a good problem to have 503234;1392354448;Bunnyh;Vexual: sure, i just thought i'd point those asics to a new coin for a night, it's not like that "too much hashpower" really makes much btc nowadays 503235;1392354473;herbijudlestoids;weird as well because those 50 blocks are surrounded by 512 blocks 503236;1392354478;ThickAsThieves;so it thought it was bitcoin not altcoin somehow 503237;1392354488;herbijudlestoids;not like its 50, 50, 50...its 512, 50, 512, 512, ... 50, 512... 503238;1392354523;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4800055 = 0.96 BTC [-] {2} 503239;1392354531;ThickAsThieves;so how do we do the reverse is the question 503240;1392354535;Bunnyh;"thought it was bitcoin" ? i have no idea what that could mean 503241;1392354542;ThickAsThieves;mine 512btc block 503242;1392354546;Bunnyh;they were just miners pointed to a pool that was pointed to altcoind 503243;1392354549;Vexual;someone would notic 512 bc blocks 503244;1392354562;ThickAsThieves;so 503245;1392354566;MisterE;512 bc is a lot 503246;1392354572;ThickAsThieves;yep 503247;1392354577;ThickAsThieves;so is 5000btc 503248;1392354583;ThickAsThieves;or 1m 503249;1392354584;Vexual;so mr forbes would say the whole think is borked 503250;1392354604;MisterE;there's a thousand pundits waiting to say the whole thing is b0rked 503251;1392354609;ThickAsThieves;i knew ATC would be disruptive! 503252;1392354611;MisterE;Poor Robert Bork 503253;1392354632;MisterE;last niminee to try to be honest 503254;1392354635;MisterE;nominee* 503255;1392354635;ThickAsThieves;can nodes somehow affect this? 503256;1392354664;ThickAsThieves;when/where is the block reward determined? 503257;1392354666;Bunnyh;can't you generate less than the allowed block reward + fees in btc too? or would that be rejected by other nodes? 503258;1392354672;Vexual;what code are you running bunny? 503259;1392354688;Bunnyh;that was with the initial release of altcoind + latest eloipool 503260;1392354711;MisterE;I'll just follow the chat then jump on the sploit when you guys figure it out OK :p 503261;1392354770;herbijudlestoids;im looking at ../src/main.cpp:1076 503262;1392354786;herbijudlestoids;hang on ill pull it up 503263;1392354819;herbijudlestoids;https://github.com/therealaltcoin/altcoin/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L1076 503264;1392354826;herbijudlestoids;is that the line that determines the block reward? 503265;1392354891;Bunnyh;looks familiar, i've had to check the same function with other coins to understand some custom implementations 503266;1392354892;Evolyn;can someone tell me whats happening with havelock? the site is... not accessable @.~ 503267;1392354946;herbijudlestoids;Bunnyh: so for some reason when that function was called, it COIN must have = 0.097... 503268;1392354949;agorecki;What's the reward for mining a block in terms of fees? It's .2 bitcoin, isn't it? 503269;1392354953;ThickAsThieves;https://github.com/therealaltcoin/altcoin/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L2109 503270;1392354976;ThickAsThieves;dunno if that is of interest 503271;1392354993;ThickAsThieves;just searching for 50s 503272;1392354994;ThickAsThieves;... 503273;1392355006;ThickAsThieves;that's the only one 503274;1392355031;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: that looks like an error code tho 503275;1392355038;Vexual;get you 0.01 back tat 503276;1392355061;mircea_popescu;<Bunnyh> can't you generate less than the allowed block reward + fees in btc too? or would that be rejected by other nodes? << you can 503277;1392355072;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00531907 = 0.117 BTC [-] {2} 503278;1392355091;mircea_popescu;Evolyn nobody said anything so far. 503279;1392355097;mircea_popescu;you can prolly ask toffoo 503280;1392355100;mircea_popescu;oops i mean topace 503281;1392355100;Bunnyh;so the bug could very well be in eloipool or my eloipool config 503282;1392355113;ThickAsThieves;evolyn, its probly cloudflare 503283;1392355116;Bunnyh;it was just a continuous run and those 50 ATC blocks happened randomly, spaced with dozens of normal blocks 503284;1392355118;ThickAsThieves;loads fine for me 503285;1392355148;ThickAsThieves;give it 5min 503286;1392355165;Evolyn;sometimes the site loads, yes, but having trouble most of time, and cloudflare shows me offline version all time 503287;1392355184;ThickAsThieves;there's something buggy in the code i think 503288;1392355192;ThickAsThieves;where it retries a bunch 503289;1392355206;ThickAsThieves;and then triggers CF 503290;1392355228;ThickAsThieves;happens to me a lot when pushing shares to people 503291;1392355238;MisterE;it's probably being ddosed 503292;1392355238;Bunnyh;Luke-Jr: can you think of any reason why eloipool would suddenly generate a 50 coin block reward instead of the actual amount that should be generated? 503293;1392355252;Bunnyh;50 is the initial btc reward and eloipool is designed for btc, so wouldn't be too surprising... 503294;1392355272;MisterE;yea 50 per block right? 503295;1392355282;ThickAsThieves;might wanna point out we arent talkin bout btc to luke 503296;1392355301;MisterE;and to me :p 503297;1392355320;cs1980;taking about altcoin? 503298;1392355332;ThickAsThieves;yes 503299;1392355336;Bunnyh;Luke-Jr: the correct reward would be 512 coins in this case, and eloipool mostly generated blocks with that amount 503300;1392355381;Luke-Jr;I can. 503301;1392355494;ThickAsThieves;care to share? 503302;1392355698;herbijudlestoids;i got a present for yall 503303;1392355699;herbijudlestoids;http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Xrtb6OK8t2c/TTB3SJN1AuI/AAAAAAAABas/VoiZoColSOA/s640/Jeff-Goldblum-jeff-goldblum-13817997-357-500.jpg 503304;1392355701;ThickAsThieves;jurov when comes the ATC Coinroll? 503305;1392355737;MisterE;dammit man, I see images inline 503306;1392355742;MisterE;buy a Tesla: What happens when a Tesla Model S gets rear ended? http://t.co/GgEaFTKKdZ 503307;1392355832;ThickAsThieves;what is that a Kia? 503308;1392355846;herbijudlestoids;MisterE: never admit to geeks you see your images inline. http://wikka.moreawesomethanyou.com/images/e/e1/GoatseOA.jpg 503309;1392355857;MisterE;fucker! 503310;1392355891;MisterE;it's ok I'm numb to goatse 503311;1392355926;Bunnyh;i wouldn't even want to imagine what most irc channels look like with inline images ... 503312;1392355946;Luke-Jr;ThickAsThieves: I cared to share the Eloipool code in the first place, and it seems very few care to contribute back their changes, so.. not especially inclined to help with it tbh. 503313;1392355949;MisterE;its funny when I joined this channel and my gf sees me chat from her desk behind suddenly there are naked pics in chat and she comes over 503314;1392355994;KRS-One;lol MisterE 503315;1392356014;ThickAsThieves;Luke-Jr I never even heard of the thing 503316;1392356024;ThickAsThieves;just wondering 503317;1392356047;herbijudlestoids;Luke-Jr: give us a clue and we might be keen to contribute a patch? ;) 503318;1392356064;Luke-Jr;subsidy = 5000000000 >> (height // 210000) 503319;1392356107;herbijudlestoids;is that in eloipool or in altcoind code? looks like the line below the line i pasted before 503320;1392356114;Luke-Jr;used to fabricate block templates before bitcoind has the next block 503321;1392356148;Luke-Jr;Eloipool 503322;1392356158;Luke-Jr;and yes, it looks similar because it does the same thing :P 503323;1392356170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00087297 = 4.3212 BTC [+] 503324;1392356244;ThickAsThieves;so it was caused by eloipool not altcoind 503325;1392356256;Vexual;phew 503326;1392356305;Bunnyh;thanks, mystery solved 503327;1392356320;herbijudlestoids;Luke-Jr: can we help with a patch? or its just a discrepancy for altcoins? 503328;1392356324;Bunnyh;that could be made configurable but then users would have to input the reward algorithm, which might be a bit convoluted with some coins 503329;1392356345;ThickAsThieves;herb i think it's an incompatibility 503330;1392356372;ThickAsThieves;how is eloipool supposed to know what to predict if it isnt predictable 503331;1392356377;Luke-Jr;herbijudlestoids: a patch would be handy 503332;1392356406;Luke-Jr;I'd think a simple config var with a lambda type would work 503333;1392356417;Luke-Jr;and complex altcoins could always define a full function in the config if they had to :p 503334;1392356474;herbijudlestoids;Luke-Jr: i think im on your github, but not 100% sure. do you mind pulling it up? file/line number? 503335;1392356503;mircea_popescu;o that's it then 503336;1392356560;Bunnyh;herbijudlestoids: merklemaker.py line 160 503337;1392356572;Luke-Jr;Eloipool is Gitorious-only FWIW 503338;1392356576;Luke-Jr;and Bunnyh beat me to it 503339;1392356582;mircea_popescu;might be an idea to grep the code for any 5000000000 503340;1392356587;mircea_popescu;just to be on the safe side 503341;1392356597;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 123 @ 0.00531478 = 0.6537 BTC [-] {7} 503342;1392356628;herbijudlestoids;https://gitorious.org/bitcoin/eloipool/source/8ceb124e5e7f67e58427365d20f90def7da0083e:merklemaker.py#L160 503343;1392356628;mircea_popescu;because if there's a config and then down the line this happens again in some other point people will curse. 503344;1392356630;ozbot;merklemaker.py in bitcoin/eloipool:master - Gitorious 503345;1392356637;Bunnyh;no other hits for 5000000000 503346;1392356644;mircea_popescu;cool then. 503347;1392356658;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53599999 BTC [+] 503348;1392357146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00087297 = 4.4521 BTC [+] 503349;1392357186;herbijudlestoids;Luke-Jr: i like to think that i dont suck at python, but iv never used lambda functions before 503350;1392357294;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg5134983#msg5134983 503351;1392357296;ozbot;ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It 503352;1392357322;mircea_popescu;2fa huh. 503353;1392358061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00087297 = 3.4919 BTC [+] 503354;1392358092;Duffer1;pankakke around? 503355;1392358145;Duffer1;;;later tell pankakke for your thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg5133227#msg5133227 503356;1392358145;gribble;The operation succeeded. 503357;1392358290;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 interesting that the activeminer crowd woudl confuse bitfury chips for bfl chips 503358;1392358323;Duffer1;ken claimed bfl chips, those that knew better pointed it out right away that the pic is bitfury 503359;1392358325;Luke-Jr;herbijudlestoids: abc = lambda(a, b): a + b 503360;1392358328;Luke-Jr;herbijudlestoids: is the same as 503361;1392358336;Luke-Jr;herbijudlestoids: def abc(a, b): return a + b 503362;1392358354;Luke-Jr;except abc might be some.object.property instead of just a word 503363;1392358356;Duffer1;er probably bitfury 503364;1392358369;mircea_popescu;it's bitfury 503365;1392358378;mircea_popescu;not that many actual chips around. not yet anyway. 503366;1392358383;herbijudlestoids;Luke-Jr: why lambda and not int? dont want to hassle you about stupid shit so feel free to ignore 503367;1392358386;Duffer1;it's interesting that people still believe anything ken says 503368;1392358411;herbijudlestoids;Luke-Jr: let me finish this patch im attempting, if it sucks you can tell me what i did wrong :D 503369;1392358411;Bugpowder;mircea_popescu: Do I need to resend my public key to MPEx to use my account? I keep getting unrecognized sig responses. 503370;1392358412;mircea_popescu;internet contrarianism. 503371;1392358424;Duffer1;down is up here 503372;1392358462;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder did you after oct ? 503373;1392358474;Bugpowder;I don't think so 503374;1392358480;mircea_popescu;then yes. 503375;1392358483;Bugpowder;OH 503376;1392358487;Bugpowder;OK 503377;1392358506;benkay;(defun higher-order-function-for-passing (thinger) (inc thinger)) 503378;1392358518;Bugpowder;I love how I can spent an hour trying to fix gpg only to discover this fact. 503379;1392358525;Bugpowder;sending.. 503380;1392358545;Duffer1;I don't see the reason to lie about who's chip it is though, what am I missing? 503381;1392358576;Duffer1;he's an idiot, don't overthink it OR is there another reason... 503382;1392358587;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 i dun see another reason 503383;1392358594;mircea_popescu;random internet person likes to get into arguments. 503384;1392358617;mircea_popescu;no downside, if he's proven wrong it's yet another random internet guy that's wrong. 503385;1392358632;mircea_popescu;perhaps some upside, he's gonna be an internet expert if it randomly happens he' sright. 503386;1392358657;Bugpowder;I hope this works... 503387;1392358669;Duffer1;he might be right in some rick and morty universe where 1+1=3... 503388;1392358670;mircea_popescu;"it's 2014 and that picture quality doesn't even exist anymore" i liked that part. 503389;1392358671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00087066 = 4.7886 BTC [-] 503390;1392358677;herbijudlestoids;Luke-Jr: ok i emailed to the email address in your headers. 503391;1392358695;Luke-Jr;herbijudlestoids: int cannot do what lambda does :P 503392;1392358724;herbijudlestoids;Luke-Jr: no i understand the basics of lambda, what i was asking is why use it in this case. i emailed you a thing, if its wrong pls feel free to reply and let me know 503393;1392358750;herbijudlestoids;but to me it seems like you can just pull those hardcoded ints out into the config file and let the use modify? 503394;1392358779;mircea_popescu;he doesn't know for a fact it will be always ints. 503395;1392358813;Luke-Jr;it could be an exponential degrade every block, for example 503396;1392358820;Luke-Jr;or the subsidy could grow 503397;1392358916;herbijudlestoids;Luke-Jr: ill make you a deal, if you think my patch is correct for all cases where its int, then i will spend some time on the weekend and try to understand the lambda business 503398;1392358939;herbijudlestoids;i guess not really a "deal" 503399;1392358949;mircea_popescu;lol 503400;1392358964;mircea_popescu;pledge ? 503401;1392358971;herbijudlestoids;yea i pledge on mircea_popescus pants 503402;1392358981;mircea_popescu;best put some on then 503403;1392359010;Luke-Jr;I wouldn't call it correct. 503404;1392359018;Luke-Jr;I would argue that CoinDecimals*CoinBlockReward is wrong 503405;1392359024;Luke-Jr;and that software should only ever work in the base unit 503406;1392359069;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids remove this "decimals" nonsense from your head right now. 503407;1392359076;mircea_popescu;all bitcoin amounts are simply satoshi ints. 503408;1392359082;mircea_popescu;there's no fractions in crypto. 503409;1392359082;benkay;learning the lambda business is a good idea anyways herbijudlestoids 503410;1392359123;herbijudlestoids;Luke-Jr: ok i just took that example from the altcoind code where they have a constant COIN = 100000000 and constant CENT = 10000000 503411;1392359155;mircea_popescu;wait thats not right 503412;1392359165;mircea_popescu;;;calc 100000000 / 10000000 503413;1392359166;gribble;10 503414;1392359171;mircea_popescu;that's a dent. 503415;1392359200;herbijudlestoids;static const int64 COIN = 100000000; 503416;1392359200;herbijudlestoids;static const int64 CENT = 1000000; 503417;1392359206;mircea_popescu;a ok. 503418;1392359226;herbijudlestoids;sorry i might have the wrong number of 0s, didnt use CENT in my code in the end 503419;1392359242;herbijudlestoids;Luke-Jr: so aside from that single multiplication issue, its ok? 503420;1392359248;Luke-Jr;looks ok 503421;1392359265;benkay;engineering can never be a copy/paste affair. 503422;1392359272;herbijudlestoids;alright, i am asking to make sure im on the right track, cos i dont wanna go off and do XYZ and come back to you and burn your eyes out 503423;1392359281;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00086801 = 24.7817 BTC [-] {2} 503424;1392359288;Bugpowder;mircea_popescu: sent the right pub key to office, I hope 503425;1392359291;herbijudlestoids;benkay: i didnt say i copied it :) 503426;1392359313;herbijudlestoids;but i was trying to keep the python code to look similar to what i could see in the altcoind code 503427;1392359325;herbijudlestoids;and i figured there must be some convention for using this COIN 503428;1392359375;herbijudlestoids;ok, well Luke-Jr i pantspledge to you that i will look unto the lambda business and try to make a useful patch, so that you dont feel like all of us people in the community are cunts who never contrib (altho iv never used eloipool) 503429;1392359412;Luke-Jr;k 503430;1392359591;mircea_popescu;lmao 503431;1392359594;mircea_popescu;;;eauth mircea_popescu 503432;1392359595;gribble;Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452 503433;1392359620;mircea_popescu;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:06f4e6d6f3f39f655619c7c5064ab96dcfcb77e103c7dedbccf58e2c 503434;1392359621;gribble;You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452 503435;1392359631;mircea_popescu;;;rate herbijudlestoids 1 Noob. 503436;1392359633;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user herbijudlestoids has been recorded. 503437;1392359647;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder should be ok 503438;1392359674;herbijudlestoids;thx mircea_popescu 503439;1392359728;herbijudlestoids;i have been waiting to do this for so long 503440;1392359734;herbijudlestoids;;;rate BingoBoingo sexysosexy 503441;1392359734;gribble;Error: 'sexysosexy' is not a valid integer. 503442;1392359740;herbijudlestoids;;;rate BingoBoingo 10 sexysosexy 503443;1392359741;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 10 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded. 503444;1392359752;Bugpowder;YES 503445;1392359757;herbijudlestoids;amirite? 503446;1392359760;herbijudlestoids;imrite 503447;1392359764;Bugpowder;if only I had gotten this to work a few months ago 503448;1392359772;Bugpowder;I was gonna by calls at 100 503449;1392359773;Bugpowder;hey 503450;1392359783;Bugpowder;how are bitcoin transfers working right now? 503451;1392359799;Bugpowder;Are deposits able to come in or are the getting malled? 503452;1392359842;mircea_popescu;;;rate Apocalyptic 1 x-bt.com etc 503453;1392359844;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Apocalyptic has been recorded. 503454;1392359871;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder what's malled ?! 503455;1392359899;Bugpowder;like transactions on the network. do they work right now? They do right? what % is getting mutated? 503456;1392359912;mircea_popescu;what difference does it make ?! 503457;1392359920;mircea_popescu;i have no idea %s, i dunno anyone counted. 503458;1392359930;mircea_popescu;;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 ATC 503459;1392359932;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user ThickAsThieves has been recorded. 503460;1392359934;Bugpowder;dunno. I just don't want to send a deposit and have it go to limbo 503461;1392359952;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00087362 = 32.2366 BTC [+] {2} 503462;1392360028;mircea_popescu;anyway, that's it for me. take care all. 503463;1392360033;Vexual;anyone blacklisting wonky nodes? 503464;1392360034;herbijudlestoids;cya mp 503465;1392360046;herbijudlestoids;time for a DNSBL of bitcoin nodes lol 503466;1392360329;Vexual;bugpowder you can always send it again 503467;1392360348;Bugpowder;sending a test deposit 503468;1392360418;herbijudlestoids;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1xu4he/it_is_clear_that_silk_road_2_funds_were_stolen_by/ 503469;1392360421;ozbot;It is clear that Silk Road 2 funds were stolen by the operators : Bitcoin 503470;1392360697;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK2qjeL-lxc 503471;1392360698;ozbot;My Milkshake - YouTube 503472;1392360829;herbijudlestoids;Vexual: will you be my valentine? 503473;1392360875;Vexual;if you get ukyo and burnside to spill the beans on the fbi 503474;1392360892;Vexual;i mean sec 503475;1392360967;MisterE;what herb, no honor among thieves? :) 503476;1392360988;MisterE;well I guess hosting a site for drug dealing doesn't make you a thief 503477;1392361068;Vexual;herbijerbi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPEM2RvpcLM 503478;1392361172;herbijudlestoids;MisterE: i dunno im not posting it because i agree but because the discussion within is interesting 503479;1392361188;herbijudlestoids;Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhrBDcQq2DM&feature=youtu.be 503480;1392361221;MisterE;Ahh ok 503481;1392361232;herbijudlestoids;vex lovez teh dnb 503482;1392361324;Vexual;this needs the ag dancing 503483;1392361365;Vexual;even his tie looks like a police car 503484;1392361559;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSzpOUwiLkc 503485;1392361560;ozbot;Nightcrawlers - Push The Feeling On - YouTube 503486;1392361599;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.51635 = 1.5491 BTC [-] {2} 503487;1392361933;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZSj3FbdFa4 503488;1392361934;ozbot;Daft Punk - Revolution 909 - YouTube 503489;1392361947;benkay;what the fuck is wrong with you two 503490;1392361968;Vexual;we're in love 503491;1392361983;Vexual;deal with it 503492;1392362007;benkay;-g 503493;1392362061;Vexual;#Your search - -g - did not match any documents. 503494;1392362086;KRS-One;whats wrong benkay 503495;1392362097;KRS-One;Did you have something important to talk about? 503496;1392362107;KRS-One;I'm here if so? 503497;1392362164;benkay;it's horrible 503498;1392362288;benkay;? 503499;1392362334;herbijudlestoids;benkay: its fucken valentines day, dont ruin our love 503500;1392362358;herbijudlestoids;you will understand tomorrow when the rest of the world catches up 503501;1392362484;KRS-One;http://i.imgur.com/GNqe8bp.jpg 503502;1392362514;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.514 BTC [-] 503503;1392362562;herbijudlestoids;KRS-One: someone should go stand there with a sign saying "ONLY DUMBASSES PUT ALL THEIR EGGS IN ONE BASKET" 503504;1392362586;herbijudlestoids;"Y U SKIP DUE DILIGENCE" 503505;1392362633;Vexual;id have a sign with this qr http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlhKRWGy7NQ 503506;1392362648;Vexual;ylang ylang 503507;1392362688;Vexual;but id put it on a post and get out of the snow 503508;1392362882;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uYs0gJD-LE 503509;1392362890;ozbot;M.I.A. - "Bad Girls" (Official Video) - YouTube 503510;1392363002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00087062 = 10.8392 BTC [-] 503511;1392363204;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLRfeUIeSeY 503512;1392363206;ozbot;Peer Kusiv - Hoch-Tief (Video) - YouTube 503513;1392363429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00087062 = 3.1342 BTC [-] 503514;1392363716;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD5phTXGN_0 503515;1392363716;ozbot;Madonna - Beautiful Stranger - Official Video HD - YouTube 503516;1392363946;Vexual;i heard mp lika madonna 503517;1392363960;herbijudlestoids;http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell 503518;1392363961;ozbot;How a Web Design Goes Straight to Hell - The Oatmeal 503519;1392363999;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-xu8CcamT4 herbi 503520;1392364000;ozbot;Hilltop hoods- dumb enough - YouTube 503521;1392364161;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 72 @ 0.06969012 = 5.0177 BTC [-] {5} 503522;1392364222;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.08014598 = 4.0073 BTC [+] {9} 503523;1392364281;Vexual;ok my openex tx finally got in, ima trade me some atc 503524;1392364283;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.0978 = 3.5208 BTC [+] {2} 503525;1392364403;Vexual;how many confirms do they like? 503526;1392364466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17641 @ 0.00087278 = 15.3967 BTC [+] {4} 503527;1392364479;benkay;not until you give us more music videos 503528;1392364495;Vexual;you changed your tune trudy 503529;1392364520;Vexual;did you stockholm syndrome on my utube spam? 503530;1392364527;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 700 @ 0.00522077 = 3.6545 BTC [-] {11} 503531;1392364544;Vexual;or are you being facetious 503532;1392364664;KRS-One;http://i.imgur.com/d6NMXuZ.jpg 503533;1392364676;Vexual;lol 503534;1392364796;herbijudlestoids;they need all 6 confirms 503535;1392364800;herbijudlestoids;or 5 i think 503536;1392364803;herbijudlestoids;close to all 503537;1392364880;jurov;all of them 503538;1392364891;Vexual;all 6? 503539;1392364909;Vexual;its a polular number 503540;1392364959;jurov;by satoshi's decree 503541;1392364970;Vexual;was it? 503542;1392364990;Vexual;a decree or a passing fancy? 503543;1392365017;Vexual;theres litttle difference with satishi 503544;1392365079;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr5SnlxIZCA 503545;1392365079;ozbot;Hilltop Hoods - Rattling the Keys to the Kingdom - YouTube 503546;1392365137;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.50916666 = 3.055 BTC [-] {2} 503547;1392365453;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FucSOWdvc_M this ones for pankkake for no reason other than i remember his name 503548;1392365625;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.00509978 = 0.561 BTC [-] {8} 503549;1392365744;BitcoinPropagand;Is there any MP here? 503550;1392365767;Vexual;asleep 503551;1392365774;herbijudlestoids;yerrrrr friday! 503552;1392365776;herbijudlestoids;WOOO 503553;1392365824;Vexual;shit thats two bits of info yove given me herbi, friday, and valentins 503554;1392365934;herbijudlestoids;http://www.securityweek.com/new-ie-10-zero-day-used-watering-hole-attack-targeting-us-military 503555;1392365975;herbijudlestoids;even after all these years 503556;1392365978;Vexual;ie10? 503557;1392365988;herbijudlestoids;the hax basically boil down to tricking someone 503558;1392366000;Vexual;what else you got ? how to trade atc on openex? 503559;1392366030;herbijudlestoids;lollll go read todays logs for that, everyones got an opinion about how what i did was wrong 503560;1392366041;Vexual;i was there and reading 503561;1392366050;herbijudlestoids;so thats all i got :P 503562;1392366062;Vexual;i wasn't going to offer the answer without a 1 atc prize 503563;1392366111;herbijudlestoids;http://t.co/PlG3uejFhK 503564;1392366156;herbijudlestoids;Vexual: i woulda given you 1 ATC just to represent our love 503565;1392366166;herbijudlestoids;fuck ill still give ya one ;) 503566;1392366260;Vexual;how many u got? 503567;1392366267;herbijudlestoids;plenty, want one? happy to 503568;1392366300;herbijudlestoids;gimme yer wallet addy 503569;1392366333;Vexual;yeah i don't actuall love you 503570;1392366369;herbijudlestoids;haha 503571;1392366370;herbijudlestoids;FINE 503572;1392366415;Vexual;youll need those atc soon, imma buy the whole board on openex 503573;1392366476;Vexual;ace thing 503574;1392366483;herbijudlestoids;low for now i got a steady stream coming in 503575;1392366493;Vexual;what are you mining with? 503576;1392366510;herbijudlestoids;about 1.3GH of ASIC 503577;1392366524;Vexual;loooks like bongo brain is preparing for me 503578;1392366580;Vexual;shit, im confirmed 503579;1392366654;Vexual;what do you know of bbs trades? 503580;1392366697;Vexual;nevermind 503581;1392366723;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0695 = 0.2085 BTC [-] 503582;1392366784;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.089 = 0.178 BTC [-] 503583;1392366811;herbijudlestoids;sorry was in the other room, what are bbs trades? 503584;1392366843;Vexual;bingoboingos' trades i meant, not a dial in board 503585;1392366845;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.089 = 0.712 BTC [-] 503586;1392366862;Vexual;imagine if crypto currency was invented then 503587;1392366885;Vexual;ok so what do i do herbi, i got btc 503588;1392367028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00087453 = 15.829 BTC [+] 503589;1392367054;herbijudlestoids;well you can either buy ATC at market for 499s or put a bid in above 300s 503590;1392367077;herbijudlestoids;if you buy at market you get them now, if you put in a bid you gotta wait for someone to sell into the bid 503591;1392367105;herbijudlestoids;290s is the highest bid now, sorry 503592;1392367132;herbijudlestoids;its a 2 way auction 503593;1392367248;herbijudlestoids;nothing stopping you from putting in bids below 290 i guess but then you gotta wait for someone to sell into the bids above oyu 503594;1392367358;Vexual;yeah m,y head say buy a fuckload at 125 503595;1392367426;herbijudlestoids;Vexual: there is a lot of bids above 125 503596;1392367438;Vexual;now, but earlier 503597;1392367481;herbijudlestoids;i think theyre all in there to stop me from pinging the last price to 110 hehe 503598;1392367498;Vexual;what good would that do? 503599;1392367531;herbijudlestoids;nothing, but it foils bingos attempts to have it worth more than doge 503600;1392367532;herbijudlestoids;hehe 503601;1392367567;Vexual;arent you hding atc? 503602;1392367610;herbijudlestoids;iam, but they dont hold any implicit value to me and it doesnt cost more than 0.00000001 ATC to ping a bid and set the last price ;) 503603;1392367630;herbijudlestoids;Vexual: if he wouldnt let me narrow the spread then i had to convince him to narrow it lol 503604;1392367644;Vexual;yeah this coin is unique 503605;1392367689;KRS-One;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob9Ak1t09Ao#t=115 503606;1392367689;ozbot;Protest at Mt Gox, Tokyo, 14th February 2014 - YouTube 503607;1392367702;herbijudlestoids;i got the ASICs from a friend who didnt want them anymore, i was using them to mine a small amount of BTC a while ago but then the USB hub died and were just sitting around on my desk until ATC 503608;1392367769;herbijudlestoids;just a bit of fun, i originally wanted to get some and sell them on -otc to establish WoT, but nobody wanted to buy the small amount i initially had and someone (i think benkay) mentioned sturles to me anyway as someone who helps newbies to get rated on WoT...so not really necessary for much anymore 503609;1392368126;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.09779999 = 0.489 BTC [+] 503610;1392368309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00087013 = 14.8792 BTC [-] 503611;1392368479;Vexual;herbijudlestoids: how doeth rounding on samll amounts work? 503612;1392368522;herbijudlestoids;Vexual: not too sure 503613;1392368535;Vexual;werent you buying microcents? 503614;1392368553;Vexual;do you have a notebook? 503615;1392368555;herbijudlestoids;selling 503616;1392368572;herbijudlestoids;pinging bid = sell 0.0000001 ATC into the highest bid 503617;1392368586;Vexual;did you get any btc? 503618;1392368588;herbijudlestoids;what are you specifically asking? 503619;1392368603;herbijudlestoids;yea some tiny amount, about 2000 satoshi worth 503620;1392368614;herbijudlestoids;but bingo hit all of my bids when i put them in 503621;1392368761;Vexual;well i just bought 200 at around pankkake's ask, so im good with that 503622;1392368919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14987 @ 0.00087514 = 13.1157 BTC [+] {2} 503623;1392368990;Vexual;300? 503624;1392369070;Vexual;see what happens tommorrow, ciao valentineses 503625;1392369408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27347 @ 0.00087555 = 23.9437 BTC [+] {2} 503626;1392370017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00087569 = 19.7906 BTC [+] {2} 503627;1392370200;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00293135 = 0.126 BTC [+] {3} 503628;1392370201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91100 @ 0.00087658 = 79.8564 BTC [+] {5} 503629;1392371481;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.09 = 0.9 BTC [-] {2} 503630;1392371908;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39388 @ 0.00087663 = 34.5287 BTC [+] {3} 503631;1392373494;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 489 @ 0.0029 = 1.4181 BTC [-] {2} 503632;1392373555;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0729999 = 0.146 BTC [+] 503633;1392373624;herbijudlestoids;hullo BingoBoingo 503634;1392373738;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 503635;1392373982;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08500003 = 0.34 BTC [-] 503636;1392374226;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 585 @ 0.00024529 = 0.1435 BTC [-] {4} 503637;1392374775;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 89 @ 0.07930345 = 7.058 BTC [-] {9} 503638;1392375141;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.05809769 = 11.6195 BTC [-] {11} 503639;1392375690;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06999996 = 0.42 BTC [+] {3} 503640;1392376361;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.06001922 = 0.7802 BTC [-] {3} 503641;1392376422;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06 = 0.6 BTC [-] 503642;1392377093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00087317 = 23.3573 BTC [-] {2} 503643;1392378923;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.06999325 = 2.5198 BTC [+] {5} 503644;1392379111;kakobrekla;yes herbijudlestoids 503645;1392379211;kakobrekla;http://youtu.be/ob9Ak1t09Ao?t=1m50s 503646;1392379211;ozbot;Protest at Mt Gox, Tokyo, 14th February 2014 - YouTube 503647;1392379594;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5394 BTC [+] 503648;1392381119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.0008709 = 13.0635 BTC [-] 503649;1392381302;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00025996 = 2.5996 BTC [+] {5} 503650;1392381363;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2959 @ 0.00025999 = 0.7693 BTC [+] {4} 503651;1392381485;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.08478997 = 1.3566 BTC [-] {2} 503652;1392381547;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.08478998 = 4.2395 BTC [+] 503653;1392381607;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08478998 = 0.3392 BTC [+] 503654;1392382034;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 40 @ 0.0042976 = 0.1719 BTC [+] 503655;1392382035;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1010 @ 0.00025991 = 0.2625 BTC [-] {2} 503656;1392382339;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00025999 = 0.26 BTC [+] 503657;1392382461;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08479499 = 0.3392 BTC [+] {2} 503658;1392382462;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.0818 = 0.1636 BTC [+] 503659;1392382463;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC 503660;1392382522;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0848 = 0.1696 BTC [+] 503661;1392382583;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.0818 = 0.4908 BTC [+] 503662;1392382949;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0845 = 0.507 BTC [-] 503663;1392383010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00086947 = 10.9553 BTC [-] 503664;1392383315;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.0008693 = 15.517 BTC [-] 503665;1392384156;Apocalyptic; Eh, no. Very few people expect that. The smartest investors ar buying BTC on MtGox now. 503666;1392384159;Apocalyptic;derp of the day 503667;1392384227;jurov;he meant it seriously? 503668;1392384235;dexX7;you think that's not smart? 503669;1392384264;punkman1;if you can't take withdraw fiat, what else you gonna do 503670;1392384273;punkman1;buy the cheap btc and hope mtgox gives you some 503671;1392384317;Apocalyptic;yes jurov 503672;1392384840;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2909 @ 0.00024438 = 0.7109 BTC [-] {3} 503673;1392385206;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12210003 = 0.4884 BTC [-] 503674;1392385274;ThickAsThieves;https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ob9Ak1t09Ao#t=40 503675;1392385274;ozbot;Protest at Mt Gox, Tokyo, 14th February 2014 - YouTube 503676;1392385309;herbijudlestoids;revolution in venezuela, ukraine, turkey, thailand 503677;1392385313;herbijudlestoids;and we talkin gox :P 503678;1392385391;ThickAsThieves;Karpeles confrontation at 2m 503679;1392385424;ThickAsThieves;cant fukn understand him tho 503680;1392385440;ThickAsThieves;with his south afrifrenchican accent 503681;1392385481;ThickAsThieves;dude seems starstruck 503682;1392385497;herbijudlestoids;walkies 503683;1392385500;herbijudlestoids;bbl 503684;1392386365;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.123899 BTC [+] 503685;1392386426;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC {2} 503686;1392386487;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1239 = 0.2478 BTC [+] 503687;1392386548;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.12405571 = 0.8684 BTC [+] {2} 503688;1392386582;jurov;starstruck lmao 503689;1392386609;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1241 BTC [+] 503690;1392386731;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 503691;1392386732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00086978 = 11.0462 BTC [+] {2} 503692;1392386851;ThickAsThieves;kakobrekla, idea for BitBet: in the Resolved column, make it so the winning side is colorized and/or have the winning answer displayed in the center of the bar 503693;1392386971;pankkake;the block reward check in bitcoin allows you to have blocks with lower rewards. maybe someone mined with another coingen altcoin that had compatible parameters 503694;1392386991;ThickAsThieves;it was sorted later in the log p 503695;1392386995;pankkake;oh 503696;1392387008;ThickAsThieves;twas cux a lukejr pool app 503697;1392387014;ThickAsThieves;cuz* 503698;1392387023;ThickAsThieves;herb is gonna fix it 503699;1392387036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.0008693 = 14.3 BTC [-] 503700;1392387097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4765 @ 0.000869 = 4.1408 BTC [-] {2} 503701;1392387646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21920 @ 0.00086992 = 19.0686 BTC [+] 503702;1392387707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27762 @ 0.00087212 = 24.2118 BTC [+] 503703;1392388195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37201 @ 0.00087383 = 32.5073 BTC [+] {2} 503704;1392388520;Apocalyptic;http://i.imgur.com/k8dzmD8.png 503705;1392388901;ThickAsThieves;Apocalyptic, is x-bt open for business? The site looks nice but I see no orders. 503706;1392388928;Apocalyptic;it is, 503707;1392388939;Apocalyptic;people seem to use it more as a wallet than an exchange though 503708;1392388991;ThickAsThieves;how will you ever compete with OpenEx?! 503709;1392389038;Apocalyptic;we're not on the same markets, i don't plan to include every new alt 503710;1392389049;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0835 = 0.501 BTC [-] 503711;1392389052;jurov;x-bt needs to implement similar order matching :DDD 503712;1392389064;Apocalyptic;heh 503713;1392389293;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.08399997 = 0.252 BTC [+] {2} 503714;1392389720;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 922 @ 0.00023038 = 0.2124 BTC [-] {4} 503715;1392389782;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07227 = 0.1445 BTC [+] 503716;1392390452;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 500 @ 0.0055 = 2.75 BTC 503717;1392391611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.000869 = 5.4313 BTC [-] 503718;1392391623;boolcrap;whats an assbot 503719;1392391916;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5394 BTC [+] 503720;1392391931;asciilifeform;boolcrap: tickers. 503721;1392391980;mircea_popescu;boolcrap it's a bot. it does various useful things like 503722;1392391985;mircea_popescu;!t m x.eur 503723;1392391985;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00197733 / 0.00197826 / 0.00198459 (1550 shares, 3.07 BTC), 30D: 0.0016245 / 0.00175376 / 0.0019975 (21050 shares, 36.92 BTC) 503724;1392392002;asciilifeform;and this.... 'amazing' 503725;1392392002;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 503726;1392392134;kakobrekla;!h boolcrap 503727;1392392134;assbot;List of commands: 503728;1392392135;assbot;!ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t} 503729;1392392136;assbot;!last (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l} 503730;1392392137;assbot;!mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order) 503731;1392392138;assbot;!rules (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r} 503732;1392392139;assbot;!exchanges (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e} 503733;1392392140;assbot;!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com) 503734;1392392141;assbot;!bash (desc: bashes last lines to bash) {short: !b} 503735;1392392142;assbot;!quote (desc: quotes last lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q} 503736;1392392143;kakobrekla;hm 503737;1392392146;kakobrekla;tjos os mpt tje way ot should be 503738;1392392157;kakobrekla;whatever 503739;1392392159;mircea_popescu;lol 503740;1392392179;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'everything new is carefully forgotten old' - http://www.flickr.com/photos/nnsanews/8726748024/in/photostream/ 503741;1392392223;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol 503742;1392392254;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla but srsly, bet closed on 14th, guy agitates about not being paid on 14th ? 503743;1392392259;mircea_popescu;it's not even been a day >< 503744;1392392270;pankkake;!rules 503745;1392392284;kakobrekla;ah right 503746;1392392288;kakobrekla;i missed that part 503747;1392392298;herbijudlestoids;hullo guys 503748;1392392306;herbijudlestoids;just about bedtime here 503749;1392392318;mircea_popescu;i mean i get it, people need their 18 bitcents or w/e to go invest it and double it or w/e it is they do, but still. 503750;1392392324;kakobrekla;sry mp, thought it was 5 days. 503751;1392392328;mircea_popescu;"aveti putintica rabdare" as teh phrase goes. 503752;1392392330;mircea_popescu;np np 503753;1392392331;jborkl;the option bid/ask is offline right now MP? 503754;1392392356;mircea_popescu;jborkl bot must have failed to get a quote 503755;1392392385;Jere_Jones;mircea_popescu Feature request for bash.bitcoin-assets.com: A link to the part in the relevant part at log.bitcoin-assets.com so that context is easier to find. 503756;1392392410;mircea_popescu;this is actually not a bad idea. kakobrekla would it be hard for !b to also pass the link to the first line ? 503757;1392392419;jborkl;ah ok, where is the bot getting vwap from now? I can't remember 503758;1392392429;mircea_popescu;bitcoincharts, as before. 503759;1392392434;jborkl;ok thanks 503760;1392392435;mircea_popescu;i've never changed that 503761;1392392448;herbijudlestoids;i been thinking tonight, i might have to force myself to not come in here for a while. in a week or so big things coming and i need to make sure all my focus on it. this place is just too distracting :P ...hopefully when i come back ill be rich. 503762;1392392450;kakobrekla;i approve of the idea. 503763;1392392484;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/mtgox-and-ancient-bitcoin-history-the-straight-dope/#comment-98083 << this is such lulz. 503764;1392392488;herbijudlestoids;aside from reading bash and trilema, any advice for someone who has to take a gap? 503765;1392392492;boolcrap;i see 503766;1392392495;mircea_popescu;"mp, you must do what we say or else we'll hurt ourselves! care!" 503767;1392392502;ozbot;MtGox and ancient Bitcoin history - the straight dope. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 503768;1392392507;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids get laid. 503769;1392392511;herbijudlestoids;haha 503770;1392392517;herbijudlestoids;-assets related advice 503771;1392392542;mircea_popescu;dun worry too much, as exciting as it may seem and as fleeting it may appear for that reason, bitcoin will still be here in a decade, and so will this chan. 503772;1392392551;mircea_popescu;you'll just be older and decrepit-er and senile-er 503773;1392392552;mircea_popescu;aka richer. 503774;1392392562;boolcrap;your saying that humanity will survive another 10 years? 503775;1392392574;kakobrekla;YOU A RE HUMAN!?! 503776;1392392589;boolcrap;im pretty sure we are on the verge of blowing all of ourselves up 503777;1392392613;mircea_popescu;boolcrap just the girls. 503778;1392392621;boolcrap;hrm 503779;1392392625;boolcrap;they would become asexual? 503780;1392392630;chetty;we been there for 50 years, nothing to see there 503781;1392392632;herbijudlestoids;ok thx. 503782;1392392640;asciilifeform;'we shall all bake together when we bake...' 503783;1392392652;boolcrap;lawl. 503784;1392392664;herbijudlestoids;i might try to pop in occasionally for a rematch against bingoboingo 503785;1392392672;herbijudlestoids;behave yourselves :) 503786;1392392688;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids : "go! go to your fancy fire!" 503787;1392392714;mircea_popescu;;;google blow tumbler 503788;1392392715;gribble;blow on Tumblr: ; beyonce blow on Tumblr: ; Blown glass Tumbler - YouTube: 503789;1392392747;mircea_popescu;google seems stuck in safe mode 503790;1392392770;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.07150094 = 0.286 BTC [-] {3} 503791;1392392894;boolcrap;assbot 503792;1392392895;boolcrap;show me some ass 503793;1392392899;boolcrap;!ass 503794;1392392904;boolcrap;!hotass 503795;1392392906;asciilifeform;.bait 503796;1392392907;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m65bz28JCw1rwvn7bo1_500.jpg 503797;1392392913;boolcrap;there we go 503798;1392392917;boolcrap;!hotamericanjailbaitass 503799;1392393441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00086971 = 15.4808 BTC [+] {3} 503800;1392394112;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1232 BTC [-] 503801;1392394295;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1800 @ 0.00023999 = 0.432 BTC [-] {3} 503802;1392394302;ThickAsThieves;bitstamp open for withdrawals again 503803;1392394403;ThickAsThieves;http://www.technologyreview.com/graphiti/524796/show-me-the-bitcoins/ 503804;1392394403;assbot;123! 503805;1392394404;ozbot;Charting Bitcoin's Unsteady Rise | MIT Technology Review 503806;1392394490;ThickAsThieves;minimally interesting... 503807;1392394509;ThickAsThieves;"New bitcoins are now far more likely to be spent than hoarded" 503808;1392394539;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.08399997 = 0.252 BTC [+] 503809;1392394571;mike_c;and by "spent" they mean.. moved? 503810;1392394597;mike_c;so when mining pools distribute shares the coins are "spent" i guess? 503811;1392394599;deadweasel;they don't know what they mean. 503812;1392394610;deadweasel;spendthrift miners! 503813;1392394661;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08399997 = 0.168 BTC [+] 503814;1392394717;ThickAsThieves;yeah the graphic is kinda useless 503815;1392394723;ThickAsThieves;sorry MIT 503816;1392395088;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 503817;1392395393;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] 503818;1392395637;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07900001 = 0.553 BTC [-] {2} 503819;1392395698;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 49 @ 0.07300003 = 3.577 BTC [-] {8} 503820;1392395759;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-] 503821;1392395760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00086953 = 10.8256 BTC [-] 503822;1392395777;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves> "New bitcoins are now far more likely to be spent than hoarded" << on the basis of what ? 503823;1392395879;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=465334.new#new this should be lulzy. 503824;1392395880;ozbot;Calling out CasinoBitco.in 503825;1392395897;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla ^ 503826;1392396125;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.066 = 0.66 BTC [-] {2} 503827;1392396185;pankkake;I wouldn't reduce bitbet to gambling 503828;1392396223;mircea_popescu;this is a point. 503829;1392396285;pankkake;and I think CBTC is the least worst havelock security :) (I sold mine as soon as I could make a profit, because fuck havelock, but anyways) 503830;1392396308;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 503831;1392396318;mircea_popescu;yes, which is why the mention. 503832;1392396329;mircea_popescu;wtf must you be thinking, to simply make false statements for absolutely no reason. 503833;1392396333;mircea_popescu;pretty disappointing. 503834;1392396359;pankkake;"the first Bitcoin-only gaming establishment to offer unique, provably-fair games" is true if you account for "unique" 503835;1392396368;pankkake;everything's unique in some way 503836;1392396369;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44000 @ 0.00086897 = 38.2347 BTC [-] {2} 503837;1392396372;mircea_popescu;not really. 503838;1392396391;mircea_popescu;i get that this has of late become fashionable, but it's not actually true. 503839;1392396400;mircea_popescu;every apple is not unique. it's just an apple. 503840;1392396463;mircea_popescu;more abstractly : for things to be unique it's not enough for them to be different, it's also required for that difference to be meaningful in some sort of actual system. it's not enough that a system may exist in which the difference may be meaningful. it has to be actually meaningful in an actual system. 503841;1392396467;mircea_popescu;and one's mother is not a system. 503842;1392396469;deadweasel;Hey, they launched a poll to confirm their beliefs about their upcoming growth spurt... what other evidence do you need? 503843;1392396485;deadweasel;A poll, in the forums.... 503844;1392396502;mircea_popescu;deadweasel maybe they can laungh a poll so that 2013 comes before 2011 in their personal history. 503845;1392396522;deadweasel;since they're trading below IP, it would make them look profitable! 503846;1392396527;deadweasel;IPO* 503847;1392396529;mircea_popescu;s/laungh/launch. apparently laugh got impacted in there 503848;1392396600;deadweasel;glad you took them to task. that is a very scammy venture judging by their post. 503849;1392396621;mircea_popescu;i'm with pankkake, they actually are one of the less scammy things on havelock. 503850;1392396632;mircea_popescu;they only took their investors down 30% or so, so far. 503851;1392396641;deadweasel;i've stopped looking at anything on havelock, because if it's on havelock.... 503852;1392396646;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma6breRS0v1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg 503853;1392396650;mircea_popescu;this is the worst fucking idea ever. 503854;1392396659;mircea_popescu;any chick with nice tits has serious problems running topless. 503855;1392396666;mircea_popescu;they should have let them wear bras and nothing else. 503856;1392396666;pankkake;they're over the IPOs price now I think 503857;1392396683;mircea_popescu;pankkake yeah, because they want to sell more treasury stock. 503858;1392396688;pankkake;they made 3 IPOs, each newer IPO… cheaper 503859;1392396697;deadweasel;hahaha 503860;1392396699;mircea_popescu;derp. 503861;1392396734;pankkake;and the first one was sold out very quick, it traded much higher for a short time, like the older havelock IPOs 503862;1392396754;pankkake;so that whole thing was badly done 503863;1392396777;deadweasel;were they IPOd before havelock changed ownership? 503864;1392396786;pankkake;yes 503865;1392396796;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.066 = 0.33 BTC [-] 503866;1392396838;jborkl;topace doesnt own havelock anymore? 503867;1392396899;mircea_popescu;they did some dubious shuffling of assets 503868;1392396914;mircea_popescu;it's clearly a fraudulent construct and will be pierced by any court, but hey. 503869;1392396965;pankkake;seems to be a bit stronger than the others 503870;1392396967;jborkl;oh huh, what did they inc in another country and transfer type of deal? 503871;1392396968;topace;correct i am no longer a majority stakeholder in havelock (the exchange) 503872;1392396972;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg5112237#msg5112237 if you want lulz 503873;1392396973;ozbot;[ActiveMining] Shareholder Discussion Thread {moderated TROLL FREE} 503874;1392397036;mircea_popescu;jborkl i don't even remember which bahamas it supposedly was. 503875;1392397082;jborkl;ok, yeah I missed that completely. 503876;1392397089;mircea_popescu;pankkake that'll be interesting. i guess the results are only predictable to like five people or some shit. 503877;1392397132;mircea_popescu;"We are being blocked, even in a startup the owners can move their ownership to another investor, we can't even do that." 503878;1392397134;mircea_popescu;derp. 503879;1392397142;mircea_popescu;why the fuck are all these people without a clue involved in stuff. 503880;1392397154;jborkl;I thought Activemining was resolved as a fat guy in the trunk of a 67 skylark 6 months ago 503881;1392397160;mircea_popescu;it was. 503882;1392397162;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.60766948 BTC to 1`676 shares, 95923 satoshi per share 503883;1392397168;jborkl;ok, just making sure 503884;1392397168;mircea_popescu;nothing ever goes away on the forum. 503885;1392397174;mircea_popescu;even the gbbg dood is still there. 503886;1392397198;mircea_popescu;heck, goat is still there, rpietilla is still there, one of these days the pirate character is gonna start posting again. 503887;1392397209;benkay;some of the goat's posts ocassionally get 'edited' 503888;1392397285;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0055 = 0.22 BTC 503889;1392397298;Jere_Jones;Favorite mp quote so far: "There’s however no intelligence required to be an asshole." 503890;1392397305;mircea_popescu;i said that ?! 503891;1392397310;jborkl;I noticed almost 0 of the advertising slots have been filled for about a month, I read about vaporware every few days 503892;1392397311;Jere_Jones;http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/ 503893;1392397312;ozbot;Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptib 503894;1392397328;Jere_Jones;Right before "Meanwhile, quoth Business Insider :" 503895;1392397330;mircea_popescu;lol ozzie is too short for my titulature needs. 503896;1392397347;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones wonderful thing technology, i'd have forgotten 80% of my good ideas without it. 503897;1392397654;Asa9;sir - I wish you were around when I was a teen. I would have had my shit together way before now. 503898;1392397679;Asa9;you should call yourself the Oracle something 503899;1392397710;Asa9;just wanted to add that after reading your site for awhile now 503900;1392397712;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.072 = 0.144 BTC [+] 503901;1392397772;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 25 @ 0.02467648 = 0.6169 BTC [-] {8} 503902;1392397833;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 500 @ 0.00023897 = 0.1195 BTC [-] 503903;1392397955;mircea_popescu;i shall call myself mp! 503904;1392397958;deadweasel;'his discourse is about on par with what you’d expect out of the Ohio representative in the Miss America competition.' >> ahahahahha 503905;1392397986;Jere_Jones;And... I'm out of trilema credits. I guess I should get some work done. 503906;1392397995;mircea_popescu;back to the mines. 503907;1392397998;deadweasel;dogecoin, because kids are starving in africa, 503908;1392398037;mircea_popescu;incidentally, this brings forth an interesting point : 503909;1392398053;mircea_popescu;people love to think that trilema credits system is there cause im greedy, but it may just as well be the case 503910;1392398066;mircea_popescu;they're there to force people to also do some work in a day. at the very least to pay for the credits. 503911;1392398075;mircea_popescu;fight the tendency to spend 100% of one's life in the sinagogue 503912;1392398087;deadweasel;or have rotating vpn.. 503913;1392398096;mircea_popescu;still needs to be paid for 503914;1392398108;deadweasel;i pay for it by reading it ;) 503915;1392398116;mircea_popescu;lol 503916;1392398117;deadweasel;my brain will never be the same 503917;1392398145;mircea_popescu;no but this is in reference to an amply discussed 19th century problem, where jewish kids didn't really want to do anything but learn 503918;1392398150;mircea_popescu;cause it was more stimulating 503919;1392398157;mircea_popescu;and well... you can't have a society of nothing but that. 503920;1392398196;deadweasel;we're certainly trying over here, only we've managed to learn in a poorly to not-at-all fashion. and we're great at it. 503921;1392398210;mircea_popescu;yeah i guess that's progress. 503922;1392398254;mod6;FORWARD SOVIET 503923;1392398275;Jere_Jones;Eh. No worries. Trilema credits are cheap. Surprisingly so. 503924;1392398291;mircea_popescu;mod6 it is, you know ? i mean people who haven't lived this side of the iron curtain can't really get the depth of it, it;s not the same to be told about it or to see it with your own eyes 503925;1392398294;mircea_popescu;but it is fucking soviet. 503926;1392398320;mircea_popescu;fractally so. in excruciatingly shocking detail. 503927;1392398325;asciilifeform;sad part is, these folks are about to get a Free! Amazing! excursion there. no time machine needed. 503928;1392398375;mircea_popescu;all sorts of obscure nonsensical shit you sincerely thought are an artefact of the time and place, 503929;1392398383;mircea_popescu;a resut of the stupidity of one particular race, 503930;1392398383;asciilifeform;the new, 'streamlined', 'modern' ussr. all butugichag, no kurchatov. 503931;1392398387;mircea_popescu;anything you wish. nope... was not. 503932;1392398421;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform then what's ann arbor ? 503933;1392398458;asciilifeform;it'll be in anchorage or something 503934;1392398525;asciilifeform;the americans seem eager to move into the mythical ussr they themselves painted. 503935;1392398542;asciilifeform;where 'honey don't forget to refuel the reactor, milk the bear, and turn us in to the kgb.' 503936;1392398551;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know the joke with the little girl and the icecream ? 503937;1392398556;asciilifeform;yes 503938;1392398559;asciilifeform;everyone knows it 503939;1392398564;mircea_popescu;fucking hell. 503940;1392398574;mircea_popescu;you know, i like the americans better. at least to them i can tell jokes :D 503941;1392398578;asciilifeform;anyone here doesn't know it? 503942;1392398587;Asa9;i don't 503943;1392398588;Asa9;:( 503944;1392398592;mircea_popescu;mwahaha. 503945;1392398600;deadweasel;plunder our laughs 503946;1392398615;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you say it 503947;1392398692;mod6;it has been quite the transformation over the last 30 years. WE WILL HAVE PROGRESS, FROM HOPE, TAXATION OF THE WEALTHY AND UNICORN FARTS! WE WILL SHOW THE WORLD HOW EXCEPTIONAL WE ARE! 503948;1392398697;boolcrap;tell me this joke i have not heard it 503949;1392398703;mod6;*cough* 503950;1392398728;asciilifeform;mp, i liked your telling. let's have it 503951;1392398736;mircea_popescu;i told it before ? 503952;1392398745;mircea_popescu;jesus i'm already an old man, check me out. 503953;1392398745;asciilifeform;at some point 503954;1392398809;mircea_popescu;ok, so school in soviet russia 503955;1392398837;mircea_popescu;a guy in the required sunglasses joins the 4th grade to help with their political educaiton 503956;1392398872;mircea_popescu;tells the kiddos all about the horrible imperialist barbaric lands outside of The Country, and how children there are kept naked and starving and forced to labour in huge child labour camps 503957;1392398887;mircea_popescu;whereas for comparison the kids in the soviet union are free and happy and even get icecream! 503958;1392398903;mircea_popescu;little girl in last row starts crying her pioneer shirt off 503959;1392398908;mircea_popescu;"what's the matter little girl ?" 503960;1392398913;mircea_popescu;"i want to go to the soviet union!!!" 503961;1392398922;Asa9;lol 503962;1392398931;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.08167999 = 0.8168 BTC [+] {4} 503963;1392398939;boolcrap;heh 503964;1392398945;mod6;*grin* 503965;1392398949;boolcrap;i have a joke 503966;1392398954;mircea_popescu;shoot 503967;1392398965;boolcrap;its my only joke ever. 503968;1392398967;boolcrap;ok so 503969;1392398977;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what were schoolkids' paramilitary thing called in the ussr ? i forget. 503970;1392398991;boolcrap;a rabbi a priest and little boy are sitting at a table, the little boy is kind of bent over the table getting something 503971;1392398992;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.0818 = 0.1636 BTC [+] 503972;1392399004;boolcrap;so the priest turns to the rabbi and says " boy id love to screw that little boy" 503973;1392399008;boolcrap;and the rabbi says " out of what?" 503974;1392399016;mircea_popescu;lol 503975;1392399017;Jere_Jones;lol 503976;1392399018;mod6;haha 503977;1392399025;jborkl;heh very good 503978;1392399053;Asa9;I went to the shrink once. He diagnosed me as being Stoic. I cried. 503979;1392399053;Jere_Jones;Anyone heard the "Theory vs Reality" joke? It's the only one I have that routinely gets geniuine laughs. 503980;1392399064;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/embed/_sxTbfeYdO0 anyway 503981;1392399064;ozbot;Hymn of the USSR - Red Army Choir (English Sub.) - YouTube 503982;1392399073;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones "two whores" ? 503983;1392399079;Jere_Jones;Yeah 503984;1392399103;Jere_Jones;A life lesson and a joke in one. 503985;1392399105;mircea_popescu;there's this romanian joke whereby the insane in one asylum loved jokes, and knew them so well that people'd just say the index # and everyone laughed. 503986;1392399136;Jere_Jones;That joke is romanian? 503987;1392399165;mircea_popescu;so the romanians say. 503988;1392399172;Jere_Jones;lol 503989;1392399173;mircea_popescu;im sure it's persian or something 503990;1392399226;boolcrap;popescu do you like romanian gymnasts ? 503991;1392399237;mircea_popescu;sure, why not. 503992;1392399277;boolcrap;i have nothing further to contribute to this. 503993;1392399285;boolcrap;hey i hear the internet is amazing in romania. 503994;1392399285;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 503995;1392399297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24950 @ 0.00087104 = 21.7324 BTC [+] {2} 503996;1392399308;mircea_popescu;it is actually. top 5 in teh world or something. 503997;1392399320;pankkake;really? 503998;1392399330;mircea_popescu;yeah. 503999;1392399337;boolcrap;popescu are you like, the only honest man in romania? 504000;1392399338;pankkake;for some reasons romania is banned as a whole in many private torrent trackers 504001;1392399345;pankkake;so I supposed it was shitty 504002;1392399358;mod6;lol, someone should spoof that USSR Hymn, change the words to USSA and obummer & co. 504003;1392399381;mircea_popescu;pankkake nah, it's definitely the best in the eu. 504004;1392399388;mircea_popescu;boolcrap nah. 504005;1392399402;pankkake;if you don't account for scandinavia maybe 504006;1392399425;mircea_popescu;http://www.bloomberg.com/slideshow/6/2013-01-23/top-10-countries-with-the-fastest-internet.html 504007;1392399426;ozbot;Top 10: Where to Find the World's Fastest Internet: 5. Romania - Bloomberg 504008;1392399431;boolcrap;dam 504009;1392399431;jborkl;pankkake, MP can answer this- but I seem to remember Romania had a bad rap for spam email servers awhile back so it is assumed 504010;1392399432;mircea_popescu;yes, if you account for it. 504011;1392399437;boolcrap;what kind of line do u have at your house in romania? 504012;1392399486;mircea_popescu;http://www.upc.ro/ 504013;1392399495;mircea_popescu;that's the provider. 150mbps for like 30 bux or w/e 504014;1392399511;boolcrap;dam 504015;1392399513;boolcrap;sounds amazing 504016;1392399513;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 504017;1392399513;mircea_popescu;o wait, 9 bux 504018;1392399519;mircea_popescu;apparently they slashed it 504019;1392399519;pankkake;:o 504020;1392399522;boolcrap;what about 504021;1392399524;boolcrap;in the country side 504022;1392399527;boolcrap;what kind of internet do they have? 504023;1392399531;mircea_popescu;this is the country side. 504024;1392399535;boolcrap;heh 504025;1392399536;boolcrap;so 504026;1392399542;mircea_popescu;europe, and especially romania, has been continuously inhabited for 2k years. 504027;1392399551;mircea_popescu;there is no "countryside" in the arizona sense of the term 504028;1392399554;deadweasel;9 bucks! i am in prison... 504029;1392399559;mircea_popescu;deadweasel told ya. 504030;1392399563;boolcrap;theres no places where there isnt fiber run? 504031;1392399571;mod6;i used to live in the az countryside :) 504032;1392399578;mircea_popescu;boolcrap there are, but you'd have to go there FOR THAT purpose. 504033;1392399583;boolcrap;o 504034;1392399629;mircea_popescu;anyway, getting gbps connections isn't either hard or expensive. 504035;1392399662;boolcrap;dam i just moved to the country 504036;1392399669;boolcrap;bad internet 504037;1392399673;boolcrap;back to 1997 speeds. 504038;1392399701;mod6;ahh, waiting for boobs, one line of pixels at a time 'eh 504039;1392399707;mircea_popescu;lmao 504040;1392399708;pankkake;I pay 50€ for 100M down / 5M up. and most people don't even have access to that 504041;1392399738;mircea_popescu;pankkake told ya. 504042;1392399742;boolcrap;im getting about 56k down 504043;1392399747;mircea_popescu;>< 504044;1392399748;boolcrap;:) 504045;1392399758;boolcrap;how do i jerk off, no one knows 504046;1392399764;boolcrap;nothing worse than waiting for some hot porn to load 504047;1392399765;mod6;slowly 504048;1392399782;mircea_popescu;boolcrap so get a woman. 504049;1392399788;boolcrap;well 504050;1392399792;boolcrap;in my country i dont have a stable of women 504051;1392399793;boolcrap;like u do 504052;1392399796;mircea_popescu;builds character anyway. you'll get trained against doing i too early. 504053;1392399809;mircea_popescu;pankkake incidentally, banning romania in a torrent tracker is pretrty much idiotic. 504054;1392399818;mircea_popescu;i would guess 50% of all material in the eu is in romania. 504055;1392399819;pankkake;most French internet is 20M down/1M up for 30€ (DSL) - some lucky people have real FTTH though, with symetric bandwith 504056;1392399849;pankkake;conversely, there are many romanian trackers 504057;1392399853;mircea_popescu;pankkake obviously you can have anything custom installed. the discussion is more about you know, entry level or average or w/e 504058;1392399884;pankkake;either it was because some ISPs were altering the traffic (happens in Israel), or there were too many cheaters (romanians, after all) 504059;1392399923;pankkake;well French FTTH is about 30€ too. just way too few places where it is installed 504060;1392399936;pankkake;and it seems most of the hurdle is bureaucracy 504061;1392399940;pankkake;the lines are built 504062;1392399942;mircea_popescu;of course. 504063;1392399968;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51941 BTC [-] 504064;1392399969;mircea_popescu;pankkake what'd a cheater do to a torrent ?! 504065;1392399970;pankkake;my coproperty said yes to an ISP… 3 years ago 504066;1392399989;pankkake;private trackers rely on the clients to tell how much they upload and download 504067;1392399994;pankkake;but you can totally lie 504068;1392400018;pankkake;of course, unless everyone lies, you can figure out who did lie 504069;1392400029;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.51446666 = 1.5434 BTC [-] {2} 504070;1392400030;mircea_popescu;but why do you care if they lie or not / 504071;1392400052;pankkake;each user has upload/download stats 504072;1392400063;pankkake;and you have to maintain a good ratio of those 504073;1392400095;jborkl;http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/05/fios-customer-discovers-the-limits-of-unlimited-data-77-tb-in-month/ 504074;1392400095;ozbot;FiOS customer discovers the limits of “unlimited” data: 77TB a month | Ars Technica 504075;1392400097;pankkake;the goal is to encourage sharing 504076;1392400116;mircea_popescu;this sounds to me like french bureaucracy 504077;1392400120;pankkake;haha 504078;1392400123;mircea_popescu;just let people do whatever the fuck it is they please to do. 504079;1392400144;pankkake;well, the end result is a lot of content and a lot of speed 504080;1392400163;mircea_popescu;seeing how there's no comparison point, all soviet bureaucracies claim a lot of speed and content 504081;1392400169;mircea_popescu;north korea is at this very moment saying the same 504082;1392400180;punkman1;the goal is usually to get people to pay for download credits, since they can't actually upload anything 504083;1392400185;mircea_popescu;derp. 504084;1392400186;punkman1;because too many people uploading 504085;1392400188;pankkake;the real issue of private trackers is… CENTRALIZATION!! 504086;1392400199;mircea_popescu;so the goal is to try and recreate riia out of material stolen from the riia 504087;1392400231;pankkake;the best trackers - as in best content and spee- usually don't do that 504088;1392400237;mircea_popescu;obviously. 504089;1392400251;mircea_popescu;and the better ones actually don't block romania, on the grounds of you know, being in romania in the first place. 504090;1392400305;pankkake;http://i.imgur.com/NmI9aDK.png 504091;1392400357;mircea_popescu;kinda meaningless to me but hey. 504092;1392400358;pankkake;I wanted to compare the different reward/"economic" systems but never got to it 504093;1392400359;punkman1;pankkake: how can that small amount of leechers support those seeders? 504094;1392400371;mircea_popescu;lol! 504095;1392400372;pankkake;what do you mean? 504096;1392400391;punkman1;seeders need leechers to get download credit, not enough leechers for everyone 504097;1392400403;punkman1;yeah it's a bit twisted this logic 504098;1392400429;pankkake;the thing is, most of your torrents stay idle, but you then can seed a LOT of things 504099;1392400437;mircea_popescu;http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/08/wikipedia-kills-page-linking-obama-slogan-to-socialist-movement/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0 504100;1392400438;pankkake;I have about 6000 albums seeding on that tracker alone 504101;1392400449;mircea_popescu;wikipedia deletes page because people who didn't like obama used it as an example. 504102;1392400456;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1291 @ 0.000225 = 0.2905 BTC [-] {2} 504103;1392400457;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07699985 = 0.231 BTC [+] 504104;1392400459;pankkake;and maybe 5 at a time max with downloaders. so it's manageable 504105;1392400491;pankkake;wikipedians love to delete pages 504106;1392400498;mircea_popescu;only some of them. 504107;1392400510;mircea_popescu;they don't delete the retarded pages about nonsense like bullying 504108;1392400527;mircea_popescu;they do delete pages that dare notice that indeed forward is shorthand for stupid. 504109;1392400701;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3609 @ 0.000225 = 0.812 BTC [-] 504110;1392401604;deadweasel;i leech plenty 504111;1392401613;deadweasel;limit my up to 10kb 504112;1392401616;deadweasel;:) 504113;1392401981;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07629999 = 0.1526 BTC [-] 504114;1392402026;Duffer1;hola 504115;1392402133;mircea_popescu;hey 504116;1392402286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.06647788 = 2.6591 BTC [-] {9} 504117;1392402347;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06470221 = 1.1646 BTC [-] {3} 504118;1392402454;Asa9;mp - Im doing some housework and Im hummiing along with the hymn of the soviet union. Thanks a lot! 504119;1392402469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28551 @ 0.0008708 = 24.8622 BTC [-] {3} 504120;1392402473;asciilifeform;soyuz nerushymyj,... 504121;1392402661;mircea_popescu;lol 504122;1392402740;mircea_popescu;bessmertnykh idej kommunizma! 504123;1392402752;asciilifeform;haha 504124;1392402772;asciilifeform;lenin velikij nam put' ozaril... 504125;1392402802;mircea_popescu;nono the best part about lenin (in romanian at least) is Partiia Lenina!!!! 504126;1392402817;mircea_popescu;because in romanian, feminine is derogatory, and party and lenin are both masculine. 504127;1392402829;mircea_popescu;so it's like... partidette leninette a la smurfette. 504128;1392402837;asciilifeform;ahaa 504129;1392402885;mircea_popescu;people tended to lol at that part. 504130;1392402914;asciilifeform;'only the laziest won't kick a dead lion' (rus) 504131;1392402951;mircea_popescu;i guess hipsters don't either, nor rabis. 504132;1392403506;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 491 @ 0.000225 = 0.1105 BTC [-] {2} 504133;1392403567;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1584 @ 0.00021811 = 0.3455 BTC [-] {2} 504134;1392403628;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4509 @ 0.0002181 = 0.9834 BTC [-] {6} 504135;1392403689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00087063 = 24.1165 BTC [-] {3} 504136;1392403800;kakobrekla;o pankkake whatcd :) 504137;1392404102;pankkake;which has been ddosed for weeks :( decentralize it! 504138;1392404238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00087253 = 8.3763 BTC [+] {2} 504139;1392404246;kakobrekla;i barely use it anymore 504140;1392404360;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1739 @ 0.00021811 = 0.3793 BTC [+] 504141;1392404421;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1789 @ 0.00021811 = 0.3902 BTC [+] 504142;1392405275;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06410011 = 1.282 BTC [-] 504143;1392405336;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0729 = 0.2916 BTC [-] {2} 504144;1392405337;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210004 = 0.3663 BTC [-] {2} 504145;1392405459;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 41 @ 0.06173911 = 2.5313 BTC [-] {7} 504146;1392405519;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 504147;1392405580;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78800 @ 0.00087387 = 68.861 BTC [+] {4} 504148;1392405641;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12489 BTC [+] 504149;1392405702;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.07335355 = 1.0269 BTC [+] {6} 504150;1392406312;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210005 BTC [-] 504151;1392406495;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.19376446 = 1.1626 BTC [+] {2} 504152;1392406739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11739 @ 0.00086772 = 10.1862 BTC [-] {2} 504153;1392406800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1611 @ 0.00086657 = 1.396 BTC [-] 504154;1392406922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8087 @ 0.00087448 = 7.0719 BTC [+] 504155;1392406983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27063 @ 0.00087468 = 23.6715 BTC [+] 504156;1392407715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.0008725 = 11.2553 BTC [-] 504157;1392408020;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0729999 = 0.219 BTC [+] 504158;1392408081;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.07393176 = 1.2568 BTC [+] {2} 504159;1392408264;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4500 @ 0.00021806 = 0.9813 BTC [-] {7} 504160;1392408325;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0725 = 0.145 BTC [-] {2} 504161;1392408326;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210004 = 0.2442 BTC [-] {2} 504162;1392408327;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] {2} 504163;1392408329;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06899997 = 0.414 BTC [-] 504164;1392408386;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06899997 = 0.552 BTC [-] {2} 504165;1392408996;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.00515454 = 0.3299 BTC [+] {6} 504166;1392410094;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00500738 = 0.7511 BTC [-] {4} 504167;1392410459;pankkake;easy MPOE-PR opportunity: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg5134983#msg5134983 504168;1392410504;mod6;oh wow. 504169;1392410582;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00022675 = 0.4535 BTC [+] 504170;1392410617;mod6;2FA key was written down on paper as "backup". << 2FA ftw lawl 504171;1392410672;pankkake;well if the paper was the issue, that's someone he knows 504172;1392410696;punkman1;"So we turn to you, our valued customers, what features would like us to add to our platform?" 504173;1392410729;Willdude123;Hello 504174;1392410881;kakobrekla;hi 504175;1392410897;kakobrekla;http://i.imgur.com/vKuwsiA.jpg 504176;1392410914;punkman1;i lol'd 504177;1392410951;Willdude123;What was that rather large stock exchange that shut down? Something E 504178;1392410961;Willdude123;Or did it shut 504179;1392411000;Willdude123;Are there any good books on investments I can read? 504180;1392411025;B007;yes 504181;1392411062;Asa9;the richest man in babylon 504182;1392411064;Asa9;start there 504183;1392411067;Asa9;:D 504184;1392411083;Asa9;there are many pdfs online 504185;1392411093;kakobrekla;B007's favorite 'Pumpin'n'dumping by Pirrratee Atrobterts' 504186;1392411131;Willdude123;Is that not a little old? 504187;1392411153;Asa9;well what do you mean on investments? 504188;1392411154;kakobrekla;afaik preorders were just ipoed 504189;1392411173;B007;kakobrekla: oh you 504190;1392411193;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210004 BTC [-] 504191;1392411194;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 504192;1392411214;kakobrekla;Willdude123 log.bitcoin-assets.com turned out to be a good book to read up on investments 504193;1392411230;Willdude123;So just reading what people say here? 504194;1392411241;kakobrekla;and said. 504195;1392411285;Willdude123;I don't particularly understand this B.SELL and B.MINE business 504196;1392411304;kakobrekla;read the contract if there is any 504197;1392411328;pankkake;it's inspired by https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228327.0 504198;1392411363;Willdude123;Somewhat difficult to understand, will continue 504199;1392411375;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 457 @ 0.05586238 = 25.5291 BTC [-] {11} 504200;1392411438;kakobrekla;take the time to understand and self learn yourself 504201;1392411741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00086838 = 26.9198 BTC [-] 504202;1392411873;Willdude123;kakobrekla, so how can they afford to pay out what a 5 mh/s miner would pay out? 504203;1392411879;Willdude123;Do they have miners? 504204;1392411903;Jere_Jones;punkman1 What's wrong with asking customers what they want? 504205;1392411935;punkman1;Jere_Jones: in this case, read the thread, and see the derps asking Havelock to 2FA HARDER 504206;1392412119;Willdude123;Well this is remarkably confusing 504207;1392412168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.0008711 = 14.1989 BTC [+] 504208;1392412288;Willdude123;So it costs 12000 to register with MPEX. How does anyone make any profit? 504209;1392412345;bones`;I would think successful trades? 504210;1392412473;deadweasel;i don't think he accepts £ 504211;1392412564;Willdude123;Well, 30BTC then 504212;1392412583;Willdude123;Sorry, I've yet to manage thinking in BTC without converting it to my own currency 504213;1392412645;bones`;Some good introductory reading: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=site%3Atrilema.com+noob 504214;1392412700;Willdude123;Whut? 504215;1392412751;Willdude123;The lmgtfy thing didn't really work as one was not expecting to google that 504216;1392412782;Asa9;http://www.marketwatch.com/story/does-janet-yellen-believe-in-deflation-2014-02-12?link=sfmw_sm 504217;1392412782;ozbot;Does Janet Yellen believe in deflation? - Brett Arends's ROI - MarketWatch 504218;1392413197;Willdude123;I think I sort of just about get it now 504219;1392413317;kakobrekla;Willdude123 http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=18 504220;1392413343;Willdude123;:) 504221;1392413352;Willdude123;I semi-understand it 504222;1392413360;Willdude123;I'm not making a claim to understanding it 504223;1392413693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55489999 BTC [+] 504224;1392413694;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0738 = 0.369 BTC [+] {2} 504225;1392413695;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210004 = 0.3663 BTC [-] 504226;1392413696;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 504227;1392413754;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC 504228;1392413876;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55489999 = 1.1098 BTC [+] {2} 504229;1392413998;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0738 = 0.369 BTC [+] {3} 504230;1392413999;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12210004 = 0.4884 BTC [-] {2} 504231;1392414000;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.19376446 = 0.7751 BTC [+] {2} 504232;1392414364;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] 504233;1392414425;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 504234;1392414689;punkman1;http://stephenlaw.blogspot.gr/2014/02/how-us-treasury-imposes-sanctions-on-me.html 504235;1392414689;ozbot;Stephen Law: How the US Treasury imposes sanctions on me and every other "Stephen Law" on the planet 504236;1392414761;BingoBoingo;Oh, Altcoin now leads Opened in BTC volume 504237;1392414860;pankkake;0.3BTC? WOW! 504238;1392415157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.0008725 = 21.5508 BTC [+] 504239;1392415377;asciilifeform;pankkake: wait - wtf ? 504240;1392415379;asciilifeform;surely not 504241;1392415422;pankkake;https://openex.pw/index.php?page=home shows 0.3 504242;1392415424;ozbot;OpenEx 504243;1392415424;pankkake;volume of course not price 504244;1392415432;asciilifeform;aha 504245;1392415459;asciilifeform;'Danger! 1,000,000 Ohms.' 504246;1392415468;asciilifeform;something like that 504247;1392415584;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5296 @ 0.0008711 = 4.6133 BTC [-] 504248;1392415819;Vexual;resistance is futile 504249;1392416133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.0008711 = 8.7981 BTC [-] 504250;1392416438;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00021623 = 0.5406 BTC [-] {8} 504251;1392416903;benkay;induction is irresistable 504252;1392416921;benkay;punkman1: nowhere on that page is there mention of bitcoin. you should fix that. 504253;1392418329;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.06399918 = 0.576 BTC [+] {2} 504254;1392418390;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06418175 = 0.706 BTC [+] {5} 504255;1392419383;kakobrekla;bash flushed. 504256;1392419732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.0008725 = 7.329 BTC [+] 504257;1392419857;benkay;http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=57 504258;1392419857;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets bash 504259;1392420037;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 775 @ 0.00022491 = 0.1743 BTC [+] 504260;1392420080;davout;kakobrekla: did you document your findings about bitstamps matching engine somewhere? 504261;1392420097;davout;or should i dig the logs? 504262;1392420137;kakobrekla;hm, i bitchumented it here and prolly on forums couple of times 504263;1392420165;kakobrekla;but then they added to their faq "we are retarded" and i stopped. 504264;1392420403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6465 @ 0.00087241 = 5.6401 BTC [-] 504265;1392420464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18085 @ 0.00087269 = 15.7826 BTC [+] {2} 504266;1392420565;kakobrekla;btw dunno if you caught it, but they are supposedly selling their shit in a month or so 504267;1392420594;davout;yeah, you said it here a week ago or sthg iirc 504268;1392420616;davout;the question is who buys it 504269;1392420637;punkman1;nobody sane 504270;1392420689;davout;punkman1: the value of an exchange boils down to the value of their banking relationship + their existing customer base 504271;1392420700;davout;one of the two is unknown 504272;1392420704;kakobrekla;anyway re bitstamp, there were couple of problems over the course of time 504273;1392420735;kakobrekla;the most irritating is the min trade fee 504274;1392420754;davout;oh yeah i heard about this one 504275;1392420771;kakobrekla;i had a case where someone hit my order with 1 satoshi 504276;1392420776;davout;ouch 504277;1392420792;kakobrekla;(they can also make this shit up) 504278;1392420815;davout;like hitting your order with a satoshi just to charge you the minn fee? 504279;1392420845;kakobrekla;yea 504280;1392420870;kakobrekla;and ofc fee in that case is millions % 504281;1392420884;davout;yo 504282;1392420907;Apocalyptic; btw dunno if you caught it, but they are supposedly selling their shit in a month or so // interesting 504283;1392420917;davout;"your cable was unplugged and it took 3 secs to fix? we'll charge you the full hour no problem" 504284;1392421013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00087415 = 22.3782 BTC [+] {3} 504285;1392421349;davout;kakobrekla: i'm asking because imma open up the market orders feature, and i want to test the shit out of it before i do, so i was wondering if there were some bugs with them that could give me additional things to pay attention to 504286;1392421359;davout;(on bstamp) 504287;1392421470;Apocalyptic;davout, have you read http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1r4d6t/bitstamps_streaming_api_and_exploitation/ ? 504288;1392421557;Apocalyptic;the issue, and the fact someone is exploiting it beyond reasonable doubt has been verified 504289;1392421568;davout;Apocalyptic: has it been fixed ? 504290;1392421572;Apocalyptic;nope 504291;1392421578;Apocalyptic;not to my knowledge 504292;1392421659;ThickAsThieves;why isnt mpex quoting options? 504293;1392421725;ThickAsThieves;data source seems to be working fine, no? http://api.bitcoincharts.com/v1/weighted_prices.json 504294;1392421740;davout;ThickAsThieves: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2014#503754 504295;1392421754;ThickAsThieves;failed to get a quote? 504296;1392421764;davout;yea, that's kind of mysterious 504297;1392421769;ThickAsThieves;as in cant access the bitcoincharts data that is accessible? 504298;1392421835;davout;maybe it's some sort of safe switch that interrupts quoting under certain market conditions 504299;1392421866;davout;maybe the quoting leprechauns are on strike 504300;1392421935;ThickAsThieves;thatd be fine i guess 504301;1392421943;ThickAsThieves;if that was stated reasoning 504302;1392421952;davout;or mebbe the leprechaun is busy http://th06.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2011/165/e/e/fvsm01_leprechauns1_witches0_by_faile35-d3ixz8r.jpg 504303;1392421953;Apocalyptic;.d 504304;1392421953;ozbot;2621404453.06462 | Next Diff in 384 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.8109% in 2d 4h 53m 52s 504305;1392421964;ThickAsThieves;"dont expect to buy options when you want them most" or such 504306;1392421988;ThickAsThieves;hypothetically speaking of course 504307;1392422011;davout;if it "failed" to get a quote it sort of implies it's an unexpected situation 504308;1392422032;ThickAsThieves;which'd be weird too, considering that's just an algo flaw, just make em cost more 504309;1392422119;ThickAsThieves;i vote it's a Bugpowder freezeout 504310;1392422233;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07500001 = 0.375 BTC [-] {2} 504311;1392422234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21942 @ 0.00087465 = 19.1916 BTC [+] 504312;1392422415;ThickAsThieves;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDXuPQ9ML9E 504313;1392422415;ozbot;Get Konnected with The Kronies Action Figures - YouTube 504314;1392422481;davout;wow 504315;1392423026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17498 @ 0.00087494 = 15.3097 BTC [+] 504316;1392423209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00087465 = 5.073 BTC [-] 504317;1392423819;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1600 @ 0.00038239 = 0.6118 BTC [-] {5} 504318;1392423942;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06899997 = 0.414 BTC [+] 504319;1392423943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3276 @ 0.00087494 = 2.8663 BTC [+] 504320;1392424257;mod6;lol TAT, that was awesome 504321;1392424432;mod6;"oh no! I'm underwater, I need a bail out!" lmao 504322;1392424490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8987 @ 0.0008749 = 7.8627 BTC [-] {2} 504323;1392424520;pankkake;http://thekronies.com/ (but you can't buy them… yet) 504324;1392424551;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07399999 = 0.148 BTC [+] {2} 504325;1392424552;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210004 BTC [-] 504326;1392424612;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.07399999 = 0.222 BTC [+] 504327;1392424613;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210003 = 0.3663 BTC [-] 504328;1392424614;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 504329;1392424734;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 504330;1392424857;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210003 BTC [-] 504331;1392424858;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 504332;1392425039;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00087526 = 20.2185 BTC [+] {2} 504333;1392425344;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00297571 = 0.2083 BTC [+] 504334;1392425466;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06899997 = 0.414 BTC [+] 504335;1392426859;mod6;http://youtu.be/ob9Ak1t09Ao 504336;1392426859;ozbot;Protest at Mt Gox, Tokyo, 14th February 2014 - YouTube 504337;1392426866;mod6;lmao 504338;1392427071;pankkake;from the looks of it, the guy ate all the bitcoins 504339;1392427088;pankkake;does it work like a piñata? 504340;1392427167;asciilifeform;http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jAVGHwajDek/Rug-h4p-SAI/AAAAAAAAABY/vFJNNHVb9I4/s1600-h/bus.jpeg 504341;1392427167;ozbot;bus.jpeg (image) 504342;1392427255;mod6;haha, magicaltux came on the lamers bus 504343;1392427309;kakobrekla;i think he runs that company too 504344;1392427311;kakobrekla;free pass! 504345;1392427656;benkay;afternoon 504346;1392427710;kakobrekla;heya 504347;1392428699;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06899999 = 0.69 BTC [+] {2} 504348;1392429492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00087465 = 5.4228 BTC [-] 504349;1392430651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00087537 = 13.4807 BTC [+] {2} 504350;1392431200;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 504351;1392431322;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 504352;1392431444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00087465 = 4.2421 BTC [-] 504353;1392433324;moiety;meh 504354;1392433335;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00297927 = 0.432 BTC [+] {4} 504355;1392433823;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06099999 = 0.366 BTC [-] 504356;1392434006;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00515 = 0.1288 BTC [-] 504357;1392434128;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51800001 BTC [-] 504358;1392434294;ThickAsThieves;http://www.bloomberg.com/video/can-bitcoin-come-back-from-multiple-hacks-~XPcnslQRTu4drafGngWdw.html 504359;1392434297;ozbot;Can Bitcoin Come Back from Multiple Hacks?: Video - Bloomberg 504360;1392434494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00087559 = 9.1061 BTC [+] 504361;1392434616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2207 @ 0.00087559 = 1.9324 BTC [+] 504362;1392434677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4993 @ 0.00087563 = 4.372 BTC [+] 504363;1392434767;MisterE;ThickAsThieves: you read about the dude who flew to Tokyo to confront Gox CEO? 504364;1392434860;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00022499 = 0.225 BTC [+] 504365;1392435226;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00087465 = 9.3588 BTC [-] 504366;1392435533;pankkake;http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?type=&nick=&thing=GOXBTC&otherthing=&eitherthing=¬es= 504367;1392435534;ozbot;#bitcoin-otc order book 504368;1392435836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10224 @ 0.00087563 = 8.9524 BTC [+] 504369;1392435926;chetty;haha goxbtc, is that a new alt coin? 504370;1392435963;joecool;it's a fractional reserve currency based on bitcoin 504371;1392436569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00087465 = 9.4462 BTC [-] 504372;1392437178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00087463 = 5.5976 BTC [-] {2} 504373;1392437727;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06899999 = 0.69 BTC [+] {2} 504374;1392438520;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13051 @ 0.00021537 = 2.8108 BTC [-] {10} 504375;1392439130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9525 @ 0.00087463 = 8.3309 BTC [-] 504376;1392439679;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00087564 = 8.4937 BTC [+] {2} 504377;1392439984;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 94 @ 0.00522854 = 0.4915 BTC [+] {10} 504378;1392440045;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 136 @ 0.00525205 = 0.7143 BTC [+] {5} 504379;1392440594;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.08179999 = 0.818 BTC [-] {4} 504380;1392440716;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 73 @ 0.00539358 = 0.3937 BTC [+] {4} 504381;1392440777;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 128 @ 0.00539574 = 0.6907 BTC [+] {5} 504382;1392440838;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.00539999 = 0.4158 BTC [+] 504383;1392441021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15655 @ 0.00087423 = 13.6861 BTC [-] {3} 504384;1392441778;mircea_popescu;lmao @bash 504385;1392441826;KRS-One;.bait 504386;1392441830;KRS-One;.bait 504387;1392441831;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/ee677c6897b25e3cced894c5b5ecd7fd/tumblr_mej4zorNTX1qg7sdjo1_r1_1280.jpg 504388;1392441907;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgfZiDJIMAA-_yT.png 504389;1392442082;Duffer1;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Md1Ms6EEbQ 504390;1392442083;ozbot;Darkplace - One Track Lover - YouTube 504391;1392442119;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06745001 = 0.3373 BTC [-] 504392;1392442569;moiety;merry 15th all! can get on with the rest of the year now. 504393;1392442615;moiety;wtf lol how to walk on ice? i've seen it all.. no, wait, re-enact that poster with gold crackhead...then i will have seen everything 504394;1392442668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.0008738 = 6.903 BTC [-] {2} 504395;1392442678;Duffer1;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu51vkm0SuQ 504396;1392442678;ozbot;Fenslerfilm GI Joe PSA 05 - ice - YouTube 504397;1392442706;moiety;http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/14/gallery-you-wont-believe-what-the-authorities-found-in-this-mexican-drug-lords-villa-4304530/ 504398;1392442715;ozbot;Mexican drug lord's house: You won't believe what the authorities found in this Mexican drug Lord's 504399;1392443553;cazalla;mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi 504400;1392443580;cazalla;that's for you Duffer1 504401;1392443593;Duffer1;hehe 504402;1392443703;asciilifeform;moiety: probably a counterfeiter's shop, as well as whatever else they did. 504403;1392443704;mircea_popescu;anything good ? 504404;1392443730;Duffer1;http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/22-more-gold-machine-guns-and-pistols-most-were-never-fired-just-held-for-collection-value.jpg lol 504405;1392443758;moiety;i actually think gold guns end up looking cheap 504406;1392443760;mircea_popescu;what's with people and gold guns 504407;1392443763;mircea_popescu;gold makes shitty gun 504408;1392443765;mircea_popescu;s 504409;1392443771;asciilifeform;plated. 504410;1392443787;asciilifeform;no one in his right mind would make an actual gold ak 504411;1392443813;mircea_popescu;or would they 504412;1392443834;moiety;i would like a rainbow sig 504413;1392443849;moiety;i bet they would if they could 504414;1392443859;moiety;rainbow sig: http://www.kygunco.com/prodimages/30277-DEFAULT-L.jpg very pretty 504415;1392443860;asciilifeform;i say plated. the rivets are in the right places, and if it were solid gold, it'd be welded. 504416;1392443869;asciilifeform;unless it is a perversely slavish imitation. 504417;1392443888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00087371 = 12.5814 BTC [-] {2} 504418;1392443888;BingoBoingo;I dunno if a gold barrel could do anything other than explode. 504419;1392443899;moiety;no one swept me off my feet yesterday, yous will have to put up with me a bit longer,sorry 504420;1392443915;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: depends whether one insisted on firing it... 504421;1392443958;moiety;would gold not just melt or buckle on firing? 504422;1392443990;asciilifeform;certainly. 504423;1392444079;asciilifeform;the most interesting thing in the picture is, well... not actually in the picture. 504424;1392444096;asciilifeform;that is: 'why now' 504425;1392444315;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5866 @ 0.00087454 = 5.1301 BTC [+] 504426;1392444722;B007;I made a bash script to txt me hourly google trends; should be interesting 504427;1392444939;asciilifeform;anyone else find it curious that these 'bust' photos never seem to feature gold bars? 504428;1392444943;asciilifeform;or even simulacra thereof 504429;1392444986;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.55498489 = 3.3299 BTC [+] {5} 504430;1392445002;moiety;i hadn't thought of that but it's a really good point, i would rather bars than all those notes 504431;1392445039;asciilifeform;likewise, quite a few of these shots look rather familiar. 504432;1392445051;asciilifeform;hence, probably a stage set. 504433;1392445077;asciilifeform;unless all the mexican barons share the same lion. 504434;1392445169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00087454 = 7.9583 BTC [+] 504435;1392445187;moiety;lololol 504436;1392445210;moiety;nice house though 504437;1392445291;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 36 @ 0.08977719 = 3.232 BTC [+] {7} 504438;1392445330;moiety;i thought that was wrong 504439;1392445340;moiety;they say black leopards... they are jaguars 504440;1392445397;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I imagine the gold bars are better concealed than the plated firearms. 504441;1392445413;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.10999999 = 0.88 BTC [+] 504442;1392445552;moiety;bars are aninvestment, guns are a collection though 504443;1392445576;asciilifeform;what, then, are the benjamins? 504444;1392445693;moiety;ijust mean you dont get bars to look at and put in cabinets 504445;1392446032;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The Benjamins are probably toilet paper 504446;1392446145;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00087454 = 3.5419 BTC [+] 504447;1392446208;Vexual;Hey BingoBoingo, did your openex withdrewing work? 504448;1392446411;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i always imagined they're non-functioning 504449;1392446416;mircea_popescu;not even holes drilled in the barrel 504450;1392446438;BingoBoingo;Vexual: It did indeed 504451;1392446470;Vexual;Thre cool, thanks 504452;1392446643;mircea_popescu;anyone here rebelmouse.com ? 504453;1392446783;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Any reason to try it. Homepage only seems to have buzzwords 504454;1392446809;mircea_popescu;no but it linked to trilema lots 504455;1392446819;mircea_popescu;so i figured 50-50 it's sopmeone here. 504456;1392446842;Vexual;only 360 readers? 504457;1392446918;mircea_popescu;anyway, since im in there some gems : 504458;1392446919;mircea_popescu;- http://log.bitcoin-assets.com122138 504459;1392446919;mircea_popescu;[...] 504460;1392446919;mircea_popescu;- http://www.loper-os.org7373 504461;1392446919;mircea_popescu;- http://qz.com/174757/bitcoin-company-offers-stock-denominated-in...6868 504462;1392446935;mircea_popescu;seems stan beats atlantic media. 504463;1392446946;BingoBoingo;lol 504464;1392446971;mircea_popescu;considering how much that adventure cost... 504465;1392446978;BingoBoingo;I've been finding odd content aggregators linking me from the start. 504466;1392447021;mircea_popescu;yeah there's a slew of those 504467;1392447047;mircea_popescu;semalt.com seosatnight.com etcetc 504468;1392447173;B007;mircea_popescu: what would you pay 1000 btc for? 504469;1392447321;mircea_popescu;the new york times 504470;1392447384;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I hope you mean the whole operation. 504471;1392447392;mircea_popescu;well yes. 504472;1392447515;Vexual;Imagine the page 3 girls 504473;1392447524;B007;I wonder if bitcoin is going to go up 504474;1392447529;B007;maybe I should buy 504475;1392447560;asciilifeform;afaik mouse is a lameraggregator. 504476;1392447572;asciilifeform;slurps crap from reddit et al. 504477;1392447587;mircea_popescu;o via reddit huhg 504478;1392447617;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/New_York_Times_Frontpage_1914-07-29.png 504479;1392447720;Vexual;manifesto from emporer 504480;1392447800;BingoBoingo;Vexual: And NYT doesn't have page 3 girls, yet... 504481;1392447831;Vexual;no i might have been confusing it with the sun 504482;1392447965;Vexual;what stock prices would you print for exchanges that don't close? 504483;1392448036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00087391 = 12.6717 BTC [-] {3} 504484;1392448744;mircea_popescu;24hrw 504485;1392449076;mircea_popescu;http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ellen-page-comes-as-gay-680563 504486;1392449076;ozbot;Ellen Page Comes Out As Gay: 'I Am Tired of Lying by Omission' (Exclusive) - The Hollywood Reporter 504487;1392449083;mircea_popescu;i guess she;s kind-of hot now 504488;1392449092;moiety;i was just reading that too 504489;1392449097;mircea_popescu;provided she doesn't start dating elen degeneratis or some shit 504490;1392449178;moiety;also got this http://i.imgur.com/sy2sQci.png people are dicks 504491;1392449195;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00194567 = 0.8756 BTC [-] 504492;1392449281;mircea_popescu;ew 504493;1392449355;Vexual;juno the one about the hot lesbian? 504494;1392449500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00087481 = 16.7089 BTC [+] {2} 504495;1392449706;moiety;what's .co.za again? south africa? 504496;1392449716;mircea_popescu;zaire ? 504497;1392449723;Vexual;south africa 504498;1392449746;moiety;so SA people send me a funeral notice (in scotland) for american funeral home. very good asshats 504499;1392449758;Vexual;zef as 504500;1392449773;mircea_popescu;wow it is sa 504501;1392449821;moiety;true arseholes are a special breed of people aren't they 504502;1392449843;Vexual;interesting place 504503;1392449874;Vexual;its a bit like australia if the dutch knocked it up first 504504;1392449877;moiety;i wouldn't like to go 504505;1392449904;moiety;i knew a girl here thatleft age 8 to live there, came back in her 20s 504506;1392449926;moiety;she hated it 504507;1392449956;mircea_popescu;i knew a girl that loved it, then got raped for being white, aged about 15, 504508;1392449969;mircea_popescu;then couldn't get anyone prosecuted for it out of the entire gang, so she left once she was 18 504509;1392449988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 700 @ 0.000155 = 0.1085 BTC [+] 504510;1392450009;B007;wow 504511;1392450106;MisterE;moiety: http://abcnews.go.com/Business/fake-funeral-notice-scam-low-fraudsters-ftc/story?id=22498185&google_editors_picks=true 504512;1392450113;MisterE;looks like you got phished 504513;1392450115;moiety;wow raped because she was white? 504514;1392450161;mircea_popescu;kinda how it works in south africa. 504515;1392450172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00087543 = 4.3772 BTC [+] 504516;1392450180;MisterE;security for whites is crazy there 504517;1392450187;MisterE;armed guards with AKs and shit 504518;1392450191;MisterE;place is a mess yo 504519;1392450197;moiety;wow MisterE good to see. it did try to get me to d/l something but i cancelled it. will i be ok? 504520;1392450198;Vexual;isn't there 10+ spoken languages right in cape town? 504521;1392450230;mircea_popescu;moiety possibly. 504522;1392450234;MisterE;hope so moiety but your computer can download stuff without you knowing, especially if there any known vunerabilities in your browser 504523;1392450263;moiety;better run a malwarebytes scan then? 504524;1392450265;Vexual;are you in the market for a funeral? 504525;1392450280;MisterE;personally, if it's a win box I'd take it offline and boot up with a scanner boot disk 504526;1392450288;moiety;no i got all mine booked up last month Vexual 504527;1392450293;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00212562 = 0.9565 BTC [+] 504528;1392450303;moiety;kk MisterE just scared me brb 504529;1392450354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 4300 @ 0.000155 = 0.6665 BTC [+] 504530;1392450415;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00195346 = 0.8791 BTC [-] 504531;1392450598;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] 1469 @ 0.00060598 = 0.8902 BTC [+] 504532;1392450598;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00087565 = 13.2223 BTC [+] 504533;1392450903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5061 @ 0.00087565 = 4.4317 BTC [+] 504534;1392451086;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00195346 = 0.8791 BTC [-] 504535;1392451581;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2UdJhqVsc8 504536;1392451582;ozbot;Jack Parow - Afrikaans is Dood - YouTube 504537;1392451818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.0008758 = 5.9554 BTC [+] {2} 504538;1392452083;moiety;\o/ 504539;1392452428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00087464 = 16.3558 BTC [-] {3} 504540;1392452458;Vexual;disease free? 504541;1392452565;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/on-july-29-1914/ 504542;1392452566;ozbot;On July 29, 1914 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 504543;1392452692;moiety;i hope so 504544;1392452698;moiety;40 things! 504545;1392452729;moiety;yay i can read again 504546;1392452771;Vexual;i thought how in all probability noone alive on earth today bought that newspaper 504547;1392452819;Vexual;new yorkers dont live to 120 do they? all that smog 504548;1392452908;BingoBoingo;moiety: Do you want a loan you can apply to the purchase of trilema credits since you are in the WOT nao? 504549;1392453038;moiety;that's very kind and i would normally, but I'm not in a position to give myself deadlines at the moment BingoBoingo 504550;1392453085;benkay;i dunno moiety, you might be able to talk your way into a zero interest loan 504551;1392453093;benkay;spring bubble hasn't kicked in terribly hard yet 504552;1392453126;moiety;i just looked it up, i don;t actually need a loan, i just need to know how to buy now 504553;1392453191;moiety;it was last april it was low wasn't it? i remember 504554;1392453203;moiety;april/may time i think 504555;1392453210;mircea_popescu;benkay you mean asset boobl ? 504556;1392453227;BingoBoingo;moiety: Last february though there wasn't a prolongued dip like this. 504557;1392453244;moiety;but then china hadn't banned it last year 504558;1392453246;Vexual;get out in may and stay away 504559;1392453283;BingoBoingo;moiety: At this time last year the only serious Chinese involvement was ASICMiner. 504560;1392453372;BingoBoingo;ASICMIner was building to that really sharp bubble. 504561;1392453396;moiety;what's the current with bfl thesedays? 504562;1392453414;moiety;they had grovellers out in force in london in november 504563;1392453438;BingoBoingo;moiety: BFL still isn't shipping Monarchs 504564;1392453455;mircea_popescu;well they're only what, 5 months late ? 504565;1392453469;moiety;lol still? hhaha the guy at the london expo simply said: sorry 504566;1392453487;Duffer1;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmOLtTGvsbM&feature=kp 504567;1392453487;ozbot;Toto - Rosanna - YouTube 504568;1392453517;BingoBoingo;moiety: First rule of Bitcoin is anything happening in London is at best Lols. 504569;1392453528;Vexual;hehe 504570;1392453538;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/embed/DwxCBIizQYU 504571;1392453539;ozbot;Hohenfriedberger march + Prussian army - YouTube 504572;1392453623;BingoBoingo;So... I made about a 200% gain selling the bulk of my Altcoin today. 504573;1392453642;Vexual;i made 10% yesterday, who are we taking it from? 504574;1392453652;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo would you like to be my openex broker ? :D 504575;1392453656;Vexual;mike_c? 504576;1392453667;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Maybe? 504577;1392453681;mircea_popescu;pankkake pls to pay to BingoBoingo 100k atc, let's see what he can do. 504578;1392453682;Vexual;fuck a man with a plan is the last thing i need 504579;1392453685;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you get a month. 504580;1392453693;mircea_popescu;have fun. 504581;1392453722;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: How much did you buy the ATC at? 504582;1392453732;Vexual;125 504583;1392453742;Vexual;my guess 504584;1392453743;mircea_popescu;Auf, Ansbach-Dragoner! Auf, Ansbach-Bayreuth! 504585;1392453746;mircea_popescu;what diff does it make ? 504586;1392453763;KRS-One;.bait 504587;1392453764;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3g532Ex6K1qaooc8o1_500.jpg 504588;1392453770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00087593 = 3.6789 BTC [+] {2} 504589;1392453775;KRS-One;damn its dark in there. 504590;1392453782;Vexual;lol krs-1 thats custom 504591;1392453786;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'm just thinking if you have a target sort of gain I should shoot for. 504592;1392453790;mircea_popescu;nope. 504593;1392453799;Vexual;double the atc and bring back some btc 504594;1392453803;mircea_popescu;^ 504595;1392453851;BingoBoingo;I'll see what I can do. 504596;1392453890;mircea_popescu;don't get too wrapped up in it, it's alt after all. 504597;1392453971;BingoBoingo;Of course. I mean it wouldn't be worth it to copy the Doge profiteers and whore myself out in the name of Moon. 504598;1392453997;mircea_popescu;may its name be always cheez. 504599;1392454042;BingoBoingo;The z is important. No actual milk or rennet was used in the making of the cheez 504600;1392454152;Vexual;"we got the cheez!" 504601;1392454254;Vexual;scott cann:into the blue 504602;1392454265;BingoBoingo;This ATC trading thing would be so much easier if herbi was still in the game. 504603;1392454276;moiety;otc is not the place to paypal is it 504604;1392454316;BingoBoingo;moiety: It can be if both parties have rep appropriate to the amount being traded. 504605;1392454336;BingoBoingo;Paypal/Ebay have been on an anit-BTC warpath recently though. 504606;1392454362;moiety;i spend all my time telling others not to bother lol 504607;1392454389;moiety;bitcoin isn't a very easy world is it 504608;1392454408;BingoBoingo;moiety: Have you read Mircea's variety speak article yet? 504609;1392454417;moiety;yes 504610;1392454447;BingoBoingo;Finding things that don't work is easy. Things that work though are unknowable until after the fact. 504611;1392454596;BingoBoingo;My favorite part of ATC trading is it is like all of the trading I have ever done. 504612;1392454613;Vexual;ditto 504613;1392454694;moiety;i'm just entirely fed up of the hassle 504614;1392454730;moiety;I've never managed to buy it yet because of one problem or another 504615;1392454746;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00087319 = 5.3265 BTC [-] {2} 504616;1392454769;Vexual;perhaps the nigerians are a sign 504617;1392454791;BingoBoingo;moiety: Never bought what? 504618;1392454794;moiety;btc 504619;1392454818;moiety;someone else has always done it for me 504620;1392454975;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WCFUGCOLLU 504621;1392454975;ozbot;Take The Money And Run - The Steve Miller Band (Lyrics + HQ) - YouTube 504622;1392455119;moiety;plus remember bingo, i was being paid it before, i had no need to buy 504623;1392455135;Vexual;nice 504624;1392455161;moiety;i only ever bought hosting with that, tipped the rest to other people 504625;1392455199;moiety;i have THE best email address BingoBoingo :D palindrome email address almost 504626;1392455226;Vexual;nigerians love palendromes 504627;1392455240;moiety;nigerians scare the hell out of me 504628;1392455278;moiety;all the compounds are armed guarded 504629;1392455356;Vexual;they see a palendromic email and theyre all like, this old coot is loaded! 504630;1392455397;Vexual;i should get lauxev.com for lolz 504631;1392455414;BingoBoingo;moiety: Back then you could have gotten BTC at $80 per 504632;1392455440;moiety;ik ik ik gah 504633;1392455479;moiety;will it ever dip that low again do you think? 504634;1392455529;BingoBoingo;moiety: Maybe on Gox? 504635;1392455537;moiety;lololol 504636;1392455551;moiety;gox will die this year surely? 504637;1392455553;Vexual;smells like a rouge goo dev 504638;1392455566;Vexual;paretheses ommitted 504639;1392455577;BingoBoingo;10 K BTC sometime this year is more likely than $80 for BTC on any platform that can actually deliver BTC. 504640;1392455628;BingoBoingo;moiety: Gox died last summer. 504641;1392455669;moiety;it's just like the queen, just clining on to the throne 504642;1392455673;moiety;clinging 504643;1392455735;BingoBoingo;No, not like the Queen at all. More like Ariel Sharon, practically dead, brain dead, just kept fresh on a ventilator. 504644;1392455759;Vexual;with bigger arms 504645;1392455764;moiety;fair point, the queen doesn't breath oxygen 504646;1392455806;moiety;will you still be awake in half hour or so? 504647;1392455830;BingoBoingo;moiety: Well I mean the queen spent the last 8 years at least able to walk, and not simply on display in the produce department 504648;1392455874;moiety;i wouldn't be so sure. i'm convinced they have her on a trolley 504649;1392455913;moiety;Do you know why they are waiting for William? 504650;1392455938;BingoBoingo;moiety: No Idea. 504651;1392455940;moiety;Charles doesn't want to do it. -- according to Lord Mowbray 504652;1392455947;moiety;he doesn't have the balls apparently 504653;1392455971;moiety;they all think (including himself) he is a little soft for it, better for william to go straight in 504654;1392455981;moiety;random snippet for the day 504655;1392456024;Vexual;he does, the people don't 504656;1392456041;moiety;he doesnt though. 504657;1392456047;moiety;he cant make decisions 504658;1392456074;Vexual;he might have some regrets and marketing people, but he does 504659;1392456108;moiety;i think you misunderstood what i was saying 504660;1392456157;Vexual;its highly likely 504661;1392456207;moiety;if charles was to go and be king, he would have to give up all his Duke of Edinburgh responsibilities etc. He has balls, what I'm meaning is he couldn't do what *he* wanted specifically 504662;1392456231;moiety;he wanted more leaway to do all the charity and good things he does 504663;1392456244;moiety;i think harry wouldve been better 504664;1392456261;moiety;do they even have a role now? 504665;1392456290;moiety;apart from waving 504666;1392456350;Vexual;he has a range of preserves 504667;1392456359;Vexual;willys got an attack copter 504668;1392456378;moiety;he looks about 70 already 504669;1392456380;Vexual;im thinking you might be right 504670;1392456443;Vexual;what a very scottish way of convincing me 504671;1392456465;moiety;lol what...badly?! 504672;1392456544;Vexual;no very well sir 504673;1392456718;moiety;where are you from Vexual? 504674;1392456759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00087594 = 12.2194 BTC [+] {2} 504675;1392456769;Vexual;australie 504676;1392456875;moiety;oh election time for you then 504677;1392456886;Vexual;im not enrolled 504678;1392456899;moiety;i got enrolled to vote for independence 504679;1392456959;Vexual;cool 504680;1392457085;Vexual;i eamil secretarys when i need something done; infinitely fore effective 504681;1392457151;benkay;deploy capital 504682;1392457171;Vexual;its amazing how people will take unsolicited advice worded correctly 504683;1392457171;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 504684;1392457724;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmVAWKfJ4Go 504685;1392457724;ozbot;Johnny Cash Hurt - YouTube 504686;1392457735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00087599 = 2.409 BTC [+] 504687;1392457982;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lOb799cTxM 504688;1392457982;ozbot;Black Box Ride on Time [ 1989 ] HD version - YouTube 504689;1392458173;Vexual;how the fuck am i goona play bb with 100k? 504690;1392458239;BingoBoingo;Vexual: ? 504691;1392458292;BingoBoingo;Vexual: What's Batman's greatest weapon? 504692;1392458317;Vexual;i dunno 504693;1392458331;Vexual;the call to arms from the sky? 504694;1392458352;Vexual;oh 504695;1392458370;Vexual;time for another video 504696;1392458386;Vexual;don't answer that 504697;1392458417;BingoBoingo;Vexual: Deception. 504698;1392458442;Vexual;whaddya you mean, hes fucking batman 504699;1392458446;BingoBoingo;Huh, looks like I should have put more money on Slovenia than I did. 504700;1392458478;BingoBoingo;Vexual: Yeah. But he is good at deception. That is how he uses all of these high tech weapons while hiding he is almost as rich as Mircea. 504701;1392458522;Vexual;hmm 504702;1392458554;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO5rDmSY6N4 504703;1392458554;BingoBoingo;Vexual: I mean how many peopl in Gotham can afford Batman tools? Maybe 5-10? 504704;1392458554;ozbot;Dizzee Rascal - Dirtee Cash ( Offcial Video HQ.) - YouTube 504705;1392458576;Vexual;ny gotham or gotham gotham? 504706;1392458583;Vexual;gg yah? 504707;1392458772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.000876 = 3.7668 BTC [+] {2} 504708;1392458785;BingoBoingo;Vexual: Imagination land version. 504709;1392458804;Vexual;ok 504710;1392458812;BingoBoingo;I actually had a neighbor named Batman once. 504711;1392458820;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxjdg_D5YQY 504712;1392458821;ozbot;Wiley - Wearing My Rolex (Official Music Video) - YouTube 504713;1392459442;moiety;sorry delayed response: Vexual: it's a national vote, i don't think they let you email it in 504714;1392459481;Vexual;lol 504715;1392459623;moiety;BingoBoingo: batman? please tell me there was also a Robin on your street 504716;1392459658;BingoBoingo;moiety: Nah. THis was grad school so we lived in the same building. 504717;1392459687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11206 @ 0.00087603 = 9.8168 BTC [+] 504718;1392459695;moiety;bound to have been a Robin too then.... ok, I'm satisfied 504719;1392459838;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inn4juu0Cfs 504720;1392459838;ozbot;Iggy Azalea - My World (OFFICIAL VIDEO) - YouTube 504721;1392459931;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5584855 = 1.117 BTC [+] {2} 504722;1392460053;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.56822498 = 11.3645 BTC [+] {4} 504723;1392460168;BingoBoingo;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvcHVesIzMU 504724;1392460169;ozbot;Tatu - Nas Nie Dogoniat - YouTube 504725;1392460358;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.57287264 = 6.3016 BTC [+] {4} 504726;1392460372;BingoBoingo;Fuck Yeah, Slovenia whooped the shit out of Slovakia. 504727;1392460419;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.5755599 = 11.5112 BTC [+] {4} 504728;1392460480;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.58669728 = 11.7339 BTC [+] {8} 504729;1392460535;mircea_popescu;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/13/1277249/-Reporters-Without-Borders-United-States-plummets-in-Press-Freedom-Index 504730;1392460536;ozbot;Reporters Without Borders: United States plummets in Press Freedom Index 504731;1392460537;mircea_popescu;"Compared to other nations, the United States ranks just below Romania, and just above Haiti" 504732;1392460541;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.58976433 = 11.7953 BTC [+] {6} 504733;1392460551;mircea_popescu;you know... haiti. 504734;1392460575;BingoBoingo;See Mircea, your blog has been safer than mine the whole time. 504735;1392460627;mircea_popescu;Much of Eastern and Central Europe rates better than the United States, and from Western Europe, only Italy rates worse. 504736;1392460634;mircea_popescu;italy. you know... the scum of yurp 504737;1392460640;mircea_popescu;seems so lol 504738;1392460680;BingoBoingo;Well, Ever since the Etruscans, Italy has been kind of fucked 504739;1392460751;mircea_popescu;In January 2012, the SEC charged an Illinois-based investment adviser with offering to sell fictitious securities on LinkedIn and issued two alerts in an agency-wide effort to highlight the risks investors and advisory firms face when using social media. Anthony Fields offered more than $500 billion in fictitious securities through various social media websites. For example, he used LinkedIn discussions to promote fict 504740;1392460751;mircea_popescu;itious bank guarantees and medium-term notes. 504741;1392460763;mircea_popescu;sooo... anyone want to guess as to the guy's bitcointalk name ? 504742;1392460784;BingoBoingo;That's before my time. 504743;1392460820;BingoBoingo;Imma guess Augusto Croppo? 504744;1392460829;chetty;hmm something Trader .. 504745;1392460833;mircea_popescu;i have no idea whatsoever, just guessing 504746;1392460846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00087604 = 9.0232 BTC [+] {2} 504747;1392460884;BingoBoingo;Phineas is the only other Illinoisian, but Anthony and Bruno are different names. 504748;1392460942;BingoBoingo;Dunno if Augusto is Illinoisian, but Anthony sounds like a name that might degrade to that nick. 504749;1392460972;mircea_popescu;nominalism seems hardly grounds to impugn anyone. 504750;1392461005;BingoBoingo;Of course not. 504751;1392461040;BingoBoingo;Which is why I made a stab in the dark thinking someone who offered the question might have had the name in mind. 504752;1392461054;Vexual;wheres the real estate guy? 504753;1392461071;BingoBoingo;Vexual: Ohio 504754;1392461100;BingoBoingo;Chicago's way outside of my area of operation anyways. 504755;1392461123;Vexual;yeah i now that, if hes buying millies he should know about the whole country 504756;1392461125;BingoBoingo;I mean they built their downtown around an open sewer 504757;1392461151;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.588 BTC [-] 504758;1392461214;BingoBoingo;Several of my favorite memories from Undergrad involve throwing up or shitting into the Chicago river. 504759;1392461243;Vexual;fuck id need many tributaries to manage that 504760;1392461336;BingoBoingo;Vexual: It worked out, because there were Sherpas in the group I traveled to Chicago with. Nobody handles sick ghostfaces better than Sherpas. 504761;1392462015;pankkake;BingoBoingo: ATC address? 504762;1392462060;BingoBoingo;pankkake: 14UCZyAxu73kF18SrsR6Ud6Xcy1ZnVWfTA 504763;1392462103;pankkake;sent 504764;1392462112;BingoBoingo;pankkake: Recieved. 504765;1392462127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4284 @ 0.00087308 = 3.7403 BTC [-] 504766;1392462396;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'm ready to see what I can do by the Ides of March 504767;1392462410;mircea_popescu;o hey that works out splendidly doesn't it. teh ideas of march. 504768;1392462554;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9399 @ 0.00087282 = 8.2036 BTC [-] {2} 504769;1392462590;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Of course. 504770;1392462593;pankkake;I wonder how many have stopped mining atc waiting for the diff to come down 504771;1392462609;mircea_popescu;kind of self feeding cycle that neh ? 504772;1392462614;pankkake;long diff periods definitely don't work for altcoins 504773;1392462623;BingoBoingo;pankkake: I wouldn't be surprised if kakobrekla is waiting for the drop to fire up the Buttfuries 504774;1392462631;Vexual;my 7770 wont cut it 504775;1392462662;Vexual;even p2pool 504776;1392462695;Vexual;when that new am shit dropping? 504777;1392462758;BingoBoingo;Oh, roughly 12 hours until my birthday starts. 504778;1392463286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00087228 = 6.5421 BTC [-] {2} 504779;1392463787;Vexual;ukyo could point his machines at it and get red by summer 504780;1392463835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4137 @ 0.00087552 = 3.622 BTC [+] {3} 504781;1392463863;Vexual;it's my cat's birthday 504782;1392464087;BingoBoingo;Vexual, I may or may not be your cat in disguise 504783;1392464114;Vexual;yar, i don't know what im doing 504784;1392464140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00087671 = 11.7917 BTC [+] {3} 504785;1392464166;BingoBoingo;Vexual: Maybe lock your cat in the closet and if I keep responding on IRC, you can by empiricism demonstrate I am not your cat. 504786;1392464277;Vexual;actual cat? 504787;1392464336;BingoBoingo;Vexual: The only meanigful test is actual empiricism 504788;1392464417;Vexual;i thought my cat was somewhere eating things... 504789;1392464476;BingoBoingo;Vexual: Eating things or communicating through a mouth operated Internet device. 504790;1392464817;mircea_popescu;http://www.zeekrewardsreceivership.com/ 504791;1392464818;ozbot;ZeekRewards Receivership Website 504792;1392464823;mircea_popescu;anyone remember those ? 504793;1392464984;BingoBoingo;Nope 504794;1392465009;mircea_popescu;at the time pirate ran his 7% a week thing, there was an irl 7% a week thing 504795;1392465010;mircea_popescu;that. 504796;1392465027;mircea_popescu;after pirate collapsed people speculated there was some relation. 504797;1392465394;BingoBoingo;I should have started a lot earlier 504798;1392465554;BingoBoingo;I missed the era of the stupid controlling an actual portion of the BTC monetary mass. 504799;1392465630;mircea_popescu;nutty times. everyone knew better. 504800;1392465634;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 504801;1392465636;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 653.0, Best ask: 653.17, Bid-ask spread: 0.17000, Last trade: 653.0, 24 hour volume: 37379.48623285, 24 hour low: 625.0, 24 hour high: 712.9, 24 hour vwap: 662.084329952 504802;1392465675;BingoBoingo;I just regret that one of the hot active threads when I started was the Usagi == Scammer thread back before Deprived did a runner. 504803;1392465715;BingoBoingo;Time machine would be a better investment for anyone interested in BTC than an ASIC. 504804;1392465726;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.588 BTC [-] 504805;1392465776;BingoBoingo;I wonder how long people could be strung along on a time machine pre-order though. 504806;1392465917;mircea_popescu;lol 504807;1392465923;mircea_popescu;make sure it has fans. 504808;1392465974;BingoBoingo;I'll make sure the photoshop shames Box of Fans Labs itself. 504809;1392466275;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.07200001 = 0.432 BTC [-] 504810;1392466327;mircea_popescu;!t m x.eur 504811;1392466328;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00194567 / 0.00199455 / 0.00212562 (1800 shares, 3.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00194567 / 0.00198701 / 0.00212562 (3350 shares, 6.66 BTC), 30D: 0.0016245 / 0.00177273 / 0.00212562 (22850 shares, 40.51 BTC) 504812;1392466339;mircea_popescu;how the fuck has this been trading at 0.002 504813;1392466347;mircea_popescu;the eur is like 300 neh ? 504814;1392466372;BingoBoingo;Maybe davout is slacking? 504815;1392466375;pankkake;ThickAsThieves: I realize coinmarketcap actually wants number of coins, not number of blocks. I fixed it, replace "blocks" by "coins" in the URL I gave you 504816;1392466417;mircea_popescu;make a fucking killing, buy futures worth 0.003 at 0.002 504817;1392466421;mircea_popescu;i guess everyone was slacking 504818;1392466463;BingoBoingo;Well, operation dominate the ATC market may have begun? 504819;1392466558;FabianB;;;calc 1/0.00212518 504820;1392466558;gribble;470.548377079 504821;1392466566;FabianB;;;ticker --market all --currency eur 504822;1392466571;gribble;MtGox BTCEUR last: 244.1, vol: 7081.41796619 | Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 473.79027, vol: 36481.52612339 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 465.0, vol: 532.78059 | CampBX BTCEUR last: 475.3602, vol: 314.60590746 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 478.829596, vol: 13103.20800000 | Volume-weighted last average: 446.584660985 504823;1392466571;assbot;123! 504824;1392466602;FabianB;< 300 eur is only gox 504825;1392466613;mircea_popescu;ah i just looked at bitcoincharts basket 504826;1392466619;mircea_popescu;i guess they killed mtgoxusd but not eur 504827;1392466624;FabianB;looks like future is priced ok 504828;1392466628;pankkake;bitcoin-central is 485 504829;1392466655;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1/485 504830;1392466655;gribble;0.0020618556701 504831;1392466660;pankkake;and still not on bitcoincharts! 504832;1392466706;mircea_popescu;FabianB good to see the mkt is actually healthjy, i had a moment of panic. 504833;1392466741;FabianB;nah, looks good 504834;1392466786;mircea_popescu;;;calc 0.00212562 / 0.0016245 504835;1392466786;gribble;1.30847645429 504836;1392466795;mircea_popescu;;;calc 0.00212562 / 00.00194567 504837;1392466795;gribble;Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (, line 1) 504838;1392466798;mircea_popescu;;;calc 0.00212562 / 0.00194567 504839;1392466798;gribble;1.09248742079 504840;1392466809;mircea_popescu;you know that is beautiful, 1.30 for 30 days, 1.09 for the week 504841;1392466862;mircea_popescu;anyway, im off. gl everyone. 504842;1392466901;kakobrekla;grenade launcher to you too. 504843;1392467861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00087552 = 3.6772 BTC [-] 504844;1392467880;davout;hi all 504845;1392467909;BingoBoingo;Hai davout 504846;1392468103;davout;"how the fuck has this been trading at 0.002" <- I WTF'd 504847;1392468110;davout;:D 504848;1392468288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00087552 = 5.1656 BTC [-] 504849;1392468837;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210003 = 0.3663 BTC [-] 504850;1392468880;kakobrekla;what is 'this' ? 504851;1392468898;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC 504852;1392468959;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.07379895 = 0.369 BTC [+] {2} 504853;1392468960;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12210003 = 0.4884 BTC [-] 504854;1392468961;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.19376446 = 0.7751 BTC [+] 504855;1392468994;kakobrekla;;;calc 20000/356 504856;1392468994;gribble;56.1797752809 504857;1392469151;BingoBoingo;K, everybody. Altcoin is ready for the Moon. Imma get some sleep. 504858;1392469164;davout;kakobrekla: X.EUR 504859;1392469172;kakobrekla;a a. 504860;1392469180;kakobrekla;BingoBoingo : grenade lancher! 504861;1392469188;kakobrekla;launcher 504862;1392469217;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Of course. It is the best sounds to go to sleep to. 504863;1392469229;kakobrekla;:) 504864;1392469250;BingoBoingo;Napalm scented candles are relaxing too. 504865;1392469268;kakobrekla;lel can you get those?! 504866;1392469287;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: You can make them. 504867;1392469302;kakobrekla;myea i guess so 504868;1392469313;kakobrekla;need some azn meat first or smth 504869;1392469813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200 @ 0.00087552 = 0.1751 BTC [-] 504870;1392469826;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Is goat azn enough? 504871;1392469874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12569 @ 0.00087707 = 11.0239 BTC [+] 504872;1392470179;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.07379895 = 0.5166 BTC [+] 504873;1392470180;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.12210003 = 1.221 BTC [-] 504874;1392470301;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.19376446 = 1.7439 BTC [+] 504875;1392470462;kakobrekla;lol 504876;1392470545;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.07379895 = 0.2214 BTC [+] 504877;1392470547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 9930 @ 0.00017 = 1.6881 BTC [+] 504878;1392470728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8288 @ 0.00087716 = 7.2699 BTC [+] {2} 504879;1392471643;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53580001 = 1.0716 BTC [-] {2} 504880;1392471891;ThickAsThieves;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yge311sFhC8 504881;1392471891;ozbot;Gene Burnett - Jump You F*#kers (A Song For Wall Street) - YouTube 504882;1392472206;ThickAsThieves;"At one point during the debate a brawl broke out in which one MP from the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP) had his nose broken." 504883;1392472231;ThickAsThieves;(Turkish) 504884;1392472497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1792 @ 0.00087336 = 1.5651 BTC [-] {2} 504885;1392473024;the20year1;what country ThickAsThieves? 504886;1392473290;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 450 @ 0.0002249 = 0.1012 BTC [-] 504887;1392473302;ThickAsThieves;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26205515 504888;1392473303;ozbot;BBC News - Turkish MPs pass judicial reforms amid brawl 504889;1392473317;Diablo-D3;yeah, turkey needs to figure out their shit 504890;1392473329;ThickAsThieves;there's a pic too 504891;1392473335;ThickAsThieves;of the bloody nosed guy 504892;1392473358;Diablo-D3;this is not how you conduct a democracy 504893;1392473392;kakobrekla;says some american douche 504894;1392473414;Diablo-D3;kakobrekla: I never said the USA was a democracy 504895;1392473439;punkman;I think we should have more politician brawls 504896;1392473443;Diablo-D3;but if this happened in congress, I'd want both the guy being hit and the guy hitting to be both expelled 504897;1392473496;kakobrekla;are we again playing 'i want' game? 504898;1392473505;Diablo-D3;no 504899;1392473509;Diablo-D3;because you're trolling 504900;1392473514;Diablo-D3;and you dont deserve to play it 504901;1392473528;ThickAsThieves;shit, if our politicians actually got in fistfights, americans might even pay attention to politics 504902;1392473558;ThickAsThieves;"hey bro, glad to see our coins have the same name 'ALTCOIN', can we work together? what's your plan on thealtcoin ATC?" 504903;1392473558;punkman;ThickAsThieves, not really worth the attention 504904;1392473564;ThickAsThieves;so many people ask me this 504905;1392473569;ThickAsThieves;what are my plans!> 504906;1392473575;punkman;but why not have opposing sides actually fight to pass legislation 504907;1392473577;the20year1;back in the day in the US, people would get in knife fights in congress 504908;1392473587;kakobrekla;ThickAsThieves world domination naturally. 504909;1392473606;ThickAsThieves;thanks kako, a simple enough reply 504910;1392473606;kakobrekla;o Diablo-D3 butthurt eh 504911;1392473618;kakobrekla;U CANT HAZ PLAY THIS NO!! 504912;1392473625;kakobrekla;BUT I WANT. 504913;1392473666;Diablo-D3;hahaha I just trolled kakobrekla 504914;1392473752;ThickAsThieves;http://animalnewyork.com/2014/sesame-street-fighter-real-game/ 504915;1392473752;ozbot;'Sesame Street Fighter' Is a Real Game - ANIMAL 504916;1392473758;kakobrekla;i dunno who did what or who did who or what did who but i have the banhammer and i dont like your style. 504917;1392473962;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [-] 504918;1392473963;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 97 @ 0.00508498 = 0.4932 BTC [+] 504919;1392473964;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210003 = 0.3663 BTC [-] 504920;1392475059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12341 @ 0.00087407 = 10.7869 BTC [+] 504921;1392476401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12794 @ 0.00087314 = 11.171 BTC [-] {2} 504922;1392476950;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210005 BTC [+] 504923;1392477011;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 504924;1392477072;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] 504925;1392478049;monkey;!last h am1 504926;1392478049;assbot;Last trade for AM1 on HAVELOCK was at 0.53580001 BTC [-] 504927;1392479512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00087407 = 5.6815 BTC [+] 504928;1392479634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00087286 = 6.0227 BTC [-] {2} 504929;1392480854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26982 @ 0.00087214 = 23.5321 BTC [-] {4} 504930;1392481538;Mats_cd03;goxbtc continues to sail into the ground 504931;1392481811;praeconium;Is it possible to pull out coins? 504932;1392482169;Mats_cd03;lolno 504933;1392482623;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 585 @ 0.00021584 = 0.1263 BTC [-] {4} 504934;1392482684;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 677 @ 0.00021523 = 0.1457 BTC [-] {2} 504935;1392483233;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00087215 = 6.6283 BTC [+] 504936;1392483538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00087407 = 4.2829 BTC [+] 504937;1392483599;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.63932407 BTC to 1`709 shares, 95923 satoshi per share 504938;1392483660;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 1.02106640 BTC to 77`944 shares, 1310 satoshi per share 504939;1392484361;dexX7;http://www.similarweb.com/website/mpex.co#/#icbit.se,btclevels.com http://www.similarweb.com/website/bitfunder.com#/#havelockinvestments.com,cryptostocks.com 504940;1392484687;benkay;pretty lulzy 504941;1392484974;benkay;slow day, dexX7? 504942;1392485018;dexX7;hehe yea 504943;1392485246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44700 @ 0.00087224 = 38.9891 BTC [-] {4} 504944;1392485551;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00022735 = 2.2735 BTC [+] {9} 504945;1392485584;benkay;(format "butts %s %s" "foo" \n) 504946;1392485593;benkay;oh excuse me that was meant for my repl 504947;1392485603;benkay;not caffinated yet 504948;1392485612;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 725 @ 0.00022749 = 0.1649 BTC [+] 504949;1392486588;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06899999 = 0.207 BTC [+] 504950;1392486710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00087182 = 9.4592 BTC [-] {2} 504951;1392486771;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.123 BTC [+] 504952;1392487015;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49100 @ 0.00087091 = 42.7617 BTC [-] {4} 504953;1392487381;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 25 @ 0.10771993 = 2.693 BTC [-] {5} 504954;1392487442;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.11389999 = 1.139 BTC [+] {3} 504955;1392487564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2278 @ 0.00087038 = 1.9827 BTC [-] 504956;1392487564;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.123 BTC [+] 504957;1392487625;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 690 @ 0.00043921 = 0.3031 BTC [-] {2} 504958;1392487686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00087008 = 9.4404 BTC [-] {3} 504959;1392487869;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 72 @ 0.00492365 = 0.3545 BTC [-] {4} 504960;1392488141;francis_wolke;The designated occasion for clearing Babylonia's financial slate was the New Year festival, celebrated in the spring. Babylonian rulers oversaw the ritual "breaking of the tablets," that is, the debt records, restoring economic balance as part of the cyclical renewal of society along with the rest of nature. Hammurabi and his fellow rulers signaled 504961;1392488141;francis_wolke;these proclamations by raising a torch, probably symbolizing the sun-god of justice Shamash, whose principles where supposed to guide wise and fair rulers. Persons held as debt pledges were released to rejoin their families. Other debtors were restored cultivation rights to their customary lands, free of whatever mortgage liens had accumulated. 504962;1392488141;francis_wolke;Over the next several thousand years, this same list -- canceling the debts, destroying the records, reallocating the land -- was to become the standard list of demands of peasant revolutionaries everywhere. In Mesopotamia, rulers appear to have headed off the possibility of unrest by instituting such reforms themselves, as a grand gesture of cosmi 504963;1392488141;francis_wolke;c renewal, a recreation of the social universe -- in Babylonia, during the same ceremony in which the king reenacts his godMurduk's creation of the physical universe. The history of debt and sin was wiped out, and it was time to begin again. But it's also clear what they saw as the alternative: the world plunged into chaos, with farmers defecting t 504964;1392488141;francis_wolke;o swell the ranks of nomadic pastoralists, and ultimately, if the breakdown continued, returning to overrun the cities and destroy the existing economic order entirely. 504965;1392488142;francis_wolke;-- Debt: the First 5,000 Years, page 216 504966;1392488209;francis_wolke;Interesting quote. Apologies for the extra \n - I don't know how they got there between copying from emacs and pasting into the irc client. 504967;1392488247;Apocalyptic;next time you know just pastebin it 504968;1392488278;benkay;why buy debt when someone's going to come along and break your tablets shortly thereafter? 504969;1392488297;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.124 BTC [+] 504970;1392488328;benkay;halp i'm frying too much potato 504971;1392488540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00087393 = 10.9241 BTC [+] {2} 504972;1392488601;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.19376446 = 1.5501 BTC [+] 504973;1392488723;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4648 @ 0.00021526 = 1.0005 BTC [-] {6} 504974;1392488795;francis_wolke;benkay: Fiat - you'll have more to lend out shortly thereafter? 504975;1392489028;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 504976;1392489150;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.124 = 0.248 BTC [+] 504977;1392489151;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 158 @ 0.00083559 = 0.132 BTC [+] 504978;1392489636;francis_wolke;Is this a reasonable theory? If not - why? https://gist.github.com/francis-/34ac1e35e1de283da258 504979;1392489638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10807 @ 0.00086971 = 9.399 BTC [-] 504980;1392489699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3587 @ 0.00086947 = 3.1188 BTC [-] 504981;1392489815;Apocalyptic;"Anyone intelligent enough to create Bitcoin will have aligned themselves with some sort of governmental body" lol 504982;1392489840;francis_wolke;Apocalyptic: Why do you lol? 504983;1392489876;Apocalyptic;i wonder what advantage do you seen in the creator aligning with a government 504984;1392489905;Apocalyptic;will let mircea comment on that, i'm sure he will have interesting things to say 504985;1392490004;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02579997 = 0.1032 BTC [+] 504986;1392490064;ThickAsThieves;the dude is nuts 504987;1392490117;francis_wolke;Apocalyptic: Personally, I'm digging life, and would like to continue it for as long as possible. 504988;1392490136;francis_wolke;Apocalyptic: Radical life extension is going to require some state support. 504989;1392490246;benkay;why? 504990;1392490259;benkay;more specifically, why will rle require state support? 504991;1392490301;benkay;also you're missing the part where the state isn't really its own agent but more accurately a tool of the ultra-capitalized who will be the main beneficiaries of RLE in any event. 504992;1392490309;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 156 @ 0.0028231 = 0.4404 BTC [-] {6} 504993;1392490310;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.07501002 = 0.3 BTC [-] 504994;1392490326;benkay;buuuuut it's just vastly more likely that bitcoin will shatter all fiat states than support their continued reign. 504995;1392490350;benkay;in that frame, why would anyone smart enough to read the implications of a non-state ultimately fungible currency align themselves with a state that's doomed? 504996;1392490370;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00277726 = 1.3886 BTC [-] {13} 504997;1392490371;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.00638999 = 0.1278 BTC [+] {2} 504998;1392490424;benkay;and RLE is a symptom of the too much money problem 504999;1392490425;pankkake;that thing is geopolitics for toddlers or something 505000;1392490443;benkay;"if the nsa cannot" oh my lols 505001;1392490493;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00275 = 0.6875 BTC [-] {3} 505002;1392490530;francis_wolke;benkay: Please, crucify me. I'm not going to get pissy or anything. 505003;1392490553;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 835 @ 0.00038327 = 0.32 BTC [-] {13} 505004;1392490572;benkay;mebbe later 505005;1392490575;benkay;dog ams need romp 505006;1392490595;benkay;also your feelings don't really factor into whether or not i take you to the woodshed 505007;1392490606;francis_wolke;Glad to hear it. 505008;1392490614;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 83 @ 0.003394 = 0.2817 BTC [-] 505009;1392490618;pankkake;it must be some sort of troll, where every sentence is wrong, or impossible, etc. 505010;1392490634;benkay;but hey you're a lisper so i likely won't get downright mean 505011;1392490645;benkay;;) 505012;1392490652;pankkake;"It may be within the realm of possibility that Israel controls Bitcoin" heavy sentence with no substance, "control" bitcoin what does it mean… 505013;1392490675;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3101 @ 0.00022579 = 0.7002 BTC [+] {6} 505014;1392490680;francis_wolke;pankkake: See the links on the word 'control' and 'bitcoin' 505015;1392490680;pankkake;"too fragmented to act as a cohesive whole" it doesn't have to 505016;1392490703;pankkake;"the center for cryptography / mathematics" there's no new crypto in bitcoin 505017;1392490718;francis_wolke;benkay: Also, I fail to see how bitcoin will 'shatter' any state. Millitary power is meaningful, no matter how clever the Bitcoin protocol. 505018;1392490727;pankkake;"the USG would kill it with fire" it can't 505019;1392490765;pankkake;inflation and war go hand in hand 505020;1392490958;francis_wolke;benkay: As for why RLE requires state support, if anyone gets *anywhere* with RLE, spooks are going to show up on their doorstep. The only question is - where do you want them to hail from? 505021;1392490958;francis_wolke;benkay: As for why RLE requires state support, if anyone gets *anywhere* with RLE, spooks are going to show up on their doorstep. They may not be required for the actual innovation. The only question is - where do you want them to hail from? 505022;1392491041;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.0257 = 0.2056 BTC [-] 505023;1392491159;francis_wolke;[Note: I appear to be unable to use this irc client. I held down backspace for 30 sec, couldn't navigate to any other text and revised my message. I post, and viola - my previous message is also posted! Apologies to anyone reading this diarrhea.] 505024;1392491163;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00023978 = 1.1989 BTC [+] {9} 505025;1392491224;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1625 @ 0.00023988 = 0.3898 BTC [+] {2} 505026;1392491234;jurov;spooks are going to show up on their doorstep... sry if i came late and don't understand but why? 505027;1392491266;ThickAsThieves;http://www.coindesk.com/mt-gox-users-awaiting-funds-survey-reveals/ 505028;1392491346;francis_wolke;jurov: Government is the formalization of power. Anyone doing anything interesting with radical life extension will have spooks on their doorstep momentarily. There are a number of powerful / rich people who don't want to die. 505029;1392491399;jurov;and you think they are dying (pun intended) to get registered with govt in any way? 505030;1392491462;francis_wolke;jurov: Who? The creators of btc? 505031;1392491539;jurov;no the billionaires who will undergo life extension 505032;1392491584;jurov;for example i can't imagine our resident billionaire, mircea_popescu to rely upon government protection 505033;1392491592;jurov;in any way or shape 505034;1392491603;francis_wolke;jurov: ... MP is a billionaire? 505035;1392491655;jurov;they called him one, cuz $20k for openbsd 505036;1392491660;jurov;totally logical. 505037;1392491709;francis_wolke;jurov: I mean, yeah - but do we have actual numbers? 505038;1392491739;jurov;what was the market valuation of s.mpoe, is any mpex expert around? 505039;1392491806;jurov;!t m s.mpoe 505040;1392491807;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00086657 / 0.00087355 / 0.00087717 (956594 shares, 835.64 BTC), 7D: 0.00084891 / 0.00086471 / 0.00087781 (7711255 shares, 6,668.04 BTC), 30D: 0.00082189 / 0.00090381 / 0.00101414 (28027503 shares, 25,331.72 BTC) 505041;1392491873;jurov;;;calc 0.00087355*1e9 505042;1392491874;gribble;Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (, line 1) 505043;1392491914;jurov;it is 873550 bitcoins atm 505044;1392491948;jurov;vhich is not very far from beelion $ . but that's besiedes the poi 505045;1392491952;jurov;*point 505046;1392491970;francis_wolke;jurov: RLE is still a while off, and millitary power dosn't cease to exist b/c Bitcoin. I'm sure that neither Peter Theil, or MP have any particular love for their respective governments. But they're not stupid and recognize that if some elite is going to extend their lifespans, they may need protection. 505047;1392492007;asciilifeform;francis_wolke: (author of first link in your piece speaking) you're half right. the flaw is that you are only including 'documented' ('flag, anthem, navy') powers. 505048;1392492017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00087103 = 13.5445 BTC [+] {2} 505049;1392492018;jurov;they don't need the protection. they just pwn the governemnt 505050;1392492033;francis_wolke;jurov: pwn the gov? Explain please. 505051;1392492070;asciilifeform;http://villageundertaker.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/att000022.jpg 505052;1392492091;francis_wolke;asciilifeform: I'm not aware of any others, but if you've got a reading list... 505053;1392492101;jurov;for example, general secretaries of politburo 505054;1392492113;jurov;were most ofted neposed only by death 505055;1392492117;jurov;*deposed 505056;1392492128;francis_wolke;asciilifeform: Also, thanks for keeping up the blog. I would have not learned about the LispM otherwise. 505057;1392492129;asciilifeform;we live in the great age of muppeteering. 505058;1392492144;jurov;and if they won't die for 100 years? 505059;1392492200;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1300 @ 0.00023989 = 0.3119 BTC [+] {3} 505060;1392492218;jurov;many of people with extended lifespans will seek such a position, official or unofficial 505061;1392492238;francis_wolke;jurov: Well, yeah. And if you can't beat em... 505062;1392492280;asciilifeform;francis_wolke: if you ruled over a 'center of cryptography and mathematics,' would you wish this to be known to your enemies? 505063;1392492351;francis_wolke;asciilifeform: No. 505064;1392492397;Duffer1;where did https://gist.github.com/francis-/34ac1e35e1de283da258 come from? 505065;1392492452;francis_wolke;Duffer1: I transcribed it from a piece of paper I found lying on the ground. 505066;1392492464;Duffer1;fascinating 505067;1392492627;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.119799 = 0.2396 BTC [+] 505068;1392492655;jurov;davout, did you forget the X.EUR again? 505069;1392492668;Duffer1;i can't speak about the historical finance part, but pretty much everything written about bitcoin itself is flat out wrong 505070;1392492697;francis_wolke;Duffer1: Please elaborate. 505071;1392492709;asciilifeform;francis_wolke: and so, when a government pumps out propaganda by the truckload re: how it maintains a stable of uniquely-capable cryptologic janissaries, what can you conclude? 505072;1392492749;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 482 @ 0.0002399 = 0.1156 BTC [+] 505073;1392492762;jurov;that mp is the governemnt? 505074;1392492779;jurov;he maintains some such stables 505075;1392492796;Duffer1;start with the first assertion "..a handful of parties control bitcoin.." miners control bitcoin, anyone can edit/audit the code, but it's miners that vote with their hashpower to run updated versions or not 505076;1392492829;asciilifeform;Duffer1: the assumption that we know anything whatsoever regarding the distribution of the bulk of mining power is mistaken. 505077;1392492850;MisterE;handful is misleading 505078;1392492851;asciilifeform;i can make 1TH look like 1,000 1GH lamers. and so can you, and so can any spammer. 505079;1392492862;MisterE;hmm 505080;1392492865;Duffer1;a fair point 505081;1392492871;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+] 505082;1392492904;MisterE;but why? I assume most miners no reason to deceive? 505083;1392492932;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.00083559 = 0.2507 BTC [+] 505084;1392492950;asciilifeform;MisterE: if you were the hypothetical king of the miners, you have every incentive to engineer a ruse like this. 505085;1392492973;MisterE;hmm yea if I had the most hashpower 505086;1392493054;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 32 @ 0.0055 = 0.176 BTC 505087;1392493107;Duffer1;the article attributes control of bitcoin to those hoarding the most, i was pointing out the power is in the hash 505088;1392493115;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1360 @ 0.00086947 = 1.1825 BTC [-] 505089;1392493163;asciilifeform;describing 'power' as a scalar is naive. there is power to destroy, for example, which is arguably held by whoever controls the satoshi mega-hoard 505090;1392493174;asciilifeform;and then there's the power to silently '51%' 505091;1392493179;asciilifeform;which may or may not be held by anyone 505092;1392493203;asciilifeform;and then there's the power to crunch the blockchain and squeeze out whatever truth is contained therein 505093;1392493211;asciilifeform;all three of these are quite distinct things. 505094;1392493225;Duffer1;but what controls bitcoin? 505095;1392493252;asciilifeform;once again 'controls' is a meaningless question 505096;1392493265;asciilifeform;what controls your index finger? 505097;1392493296;Apocalyptic;the associated muscles 505098;1392493394;Duffer1;there are innumerable external factors, but for purposes dissecting the statement: "Given that a handful of parties control Bitcoin..." is the answer not miners? (or the mining network) 505099;1392493395;asciilifeform;i.e. the six or so global telecoms with de-facto control over the net could switch it off like a lamp. (provisions against this scenario are quite feasible, but no one has cared to consider much less make them.) 505100;1392493432;asciilifeform;everyone seems intent on inventing the parachute after being thrown, rather than before. 505101;1392493500;asciilifeform;a more interesting question for 'political' aficionados could be 'who has the power to kill while making the death look like bad luck?' and 'who can silently bend the system towards some desired end' 505102;1392493532;asciilifeform;'who controls', on the other hand, is uselessly vague. 505103;1392493568;asciilifeform;that is, do the fellows with the 'nuclear briefcases' - 'control bitcoin'? arguably they do... 505104;1392493606;asciilifeform;in the same sense that they 'control' the weather. 505105;1392493632;asciilifeform;you 'control' your car. but it will never fly, or sail. 505106;1392493775;francis_wolke;asciilifeform: I have not drawn my conclusions r.e. the janissaries based on propaganda. At least, I'm not aware of doing so. 505107;1392493802;mircea_popescu;o look, new names. 505108;1392493908;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06899999 = 0.345 BTC [+] {2} 505109;1392493944;mircea_popescu;dexX7 not sure how accurate that sort of stuff is. 505110;1392493987;mircea_popescu;2.47% of total Mpex.co traffic in last 3 months is social < that part was lulzy. 505111;1392494069;asciilifeform;francis_wolke: possibly the only organized undertaking modern rulers are any good at is: presenting elaborately misleading pictures of their capabilities. 505112;1392494076;mircea_popescu;francis_wolke you realise the entire breaking tablets thing is strictly a function of man's early monkey-like state and has no practical importance today. do you ? 505113;1392494115;francis_wolke;mircea_popescu: I don't. 505114;1392494146;mircea_popescu;yes well. back in those days a one year interval was far outside the mental abilities of even "specialist" "bankers" to plan. 505115;1392494153;mircea_popescu;society today relies on much more intelligent people. 505116;1392494160;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the basic point that stands, supposing there is one, is that caging monkeys has a certain cost 505117;1392494165;mircea_popescu;the fact that the bulk of the live humans are about as stupid today as in 3000 bc has little bearing 505118;1392494176;asciilifeform;so the ROI on containing them isn't always positive. 505119;1392494177;mircea_popescu;they still wish and expect tvs running water and generally to be able to play around on the intenret. 505120;1392494185;francis_wolke;mircea_popescu: If the USD went to 0 btc - it would be a 'breaking of the tablets', regardless. 505121;1392494188;mircea_popescu;this requires an economy built by people who see more than a year into the future. 505122;1392494198;mircea_popescu;francis_wolke it would be the breaking of SOME tablets 505123;1392494201;mircea_popescu;ie, the stupid ones. 505124;1392494217;mircea_popescu;this happens all the time. there are 1000s of bankruptcy courts all over the world hearing millions of cases as we speak. 505125;1392494219;francis_wolke;mircea_popescu: Exactly. The point is that the middle and lower class keep working. 505126;1392494224;mircea_popescu;sure. 505127;1392494242;mircea_popescu;but this is in no way time based, and in no way a festival. 505128;1392494272;francis_wolke;Time-based? Festival? 505129;1392494298;mircea_popescu;yes. our discussion started with me asking if you realise the thing you quote has more to do with the mokeys involved than with anything of import today. 505130;1392494366;asciilifeform;modern monkey-handlers have not entirely abandoned the idea of 'populistic' gifts to their charges via mass expropriation (whether via debt forgiveness, abruptly nationalized industry, or whichever other tricks) 505131;1392494379;francis_wolke;exactly. 505132;1392494402;francis_wolke;And how do you get rid of $18 trillion in debt? And school loans. And housing loans. etc. 505133;1392494415;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suspect the problem is more like this : if i give you a debt package, there will be a cost to evaluate its value. if that cost likely exceeds its value, you may opt to just throw the whole thing away. 505134;1392494428;mircea_popescu;francis_wolke you don't. ideally, you DONT MAKE THEM 505135;1392494462;mircea_popescu;not everybody needs a college degree, even if they're white, and even if their parents have "expectations". 505136;1392494478;asciilifeform;modern 'debt politics' is simply a maintenance of the historic norm (most humans being formally enslaved to someone or other) by other means. 505137;1392494486;francis_wolke;Agreed. 505138;1392494494;asciilifeform;'kinder/gentler/paper' but otherwise effective. 505139;1392494507;francis_wolke;asciilifeform: have you read this: http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htm 505140;1392494517;mircea_popescu;or moreover it's simply THE maintenance of the historic norm, independent of human agency, which is being mentally digested in ways consecvent with the current social text. 505141;1392494522;asciilifeform;and there is never any question of turning them loose (that'd be the end of organized civilization as a concept) but change of masters. 505142;1392494542;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's never any question of turning them loose because they just won't leave. 505143;1392494569;mircea_popescu;turning "them" lose is like turning the cockroaches in your kitchen "loose", admitting you live in ny. 505144;1392494569;asciilifeform;correct. it's rather like the 'animal activist' folks turning the mice loose. 505145;1392494572;mircea_popescu;they're loose already. 505146;1392494701;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53838261 BTC [+] 505147;1392494741;francis_wolke;asciilifeform: A while back you mentioned that the rulers of today are only good at misleading the public. I agree that the *visible* rulers are good at this - but can't imagine someone like Ben Bernanke caring so little about his future that the stupid are allowed to rule. 505148;1392494763;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 179 @ 0.00293297 = 0.525 BTC [+] 505149;1392494772;asciilifeform;francis_wolke: the visible muppets aren't good at much of anything 505150;1392494775;mircea_popescu;so why does what you can and can't imagine matter ? 505151;1392494823;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+] 505152;1392494853;Duffer1;I'd say given the state of affairs worldwide the non-visible muppets aren't good at much either 505153;1392494885;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 you know you'll have to first define some criteria. 505154;1392494885;francis_wolke;mircea_popescu: Because my imagination has some bearing on reality - however tenuous. 505155;1392494895;mircea_popescu;francis_wolke can you show this to me ? 505156;1392494903;asciilifeform;Duffer1: this conclusion does not necessarily follow. 505157;1392494943;Duffer1;well what does it matter visible or nonvisible if the net result is crap all around for everyone? 505158;1392494952;mircea_popescu;again, crap by which stick ? 505159;1392494995;asciilifeform;re: imagination: gedankenexperiment time. let's imagine that i imagine there's a cleaner way to solve sha(Y)=X than brute force. i pursue this line of inquiry, and the imagined turns into the actual. 505160;1392495008;asciilifeform;in this scenario, imagination can indeed have an impact on reality... 505161;1392495032;Duffer1;worldwide asinine political regimes, religions, violence, ignorance 505162;1392495056;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform on your circumstance, yes. on the reality of the matter, none. 505163;1392495072;francis_wolke;MP: I have met some people in so-called 1%. I know what they're like, and what their parents are like. Many of them don't think - but some do. Some actually care that civilization will be around for their decedents to enjoy. 505164;1392495086;mircea_popescu;francis_wolke you know this hardly is showing, do you ? 505165;1392495091;Duffer1;my experience is obviously subject (as was my initial statement) but i don't see anyone trying to reverse these trends 505166;1392495106;francis_wolke;Though I have no experience with these matters, I can 'imagine' that they make certain sorts of donations etc. 505167;1392495118;francis_wolke;Or say that I didn't actually know any of these people. 505168;1392495127;asciilifeform;Duffer1: one can easily picture a set of aims that these things, which you aren't particularly fond of, help to advance. 505169;1392495137;asciilifeform;'it's not a bug, it's a feature' (TM) 505170;1392495144;Duffer1;hehe 505171;1392495151;mircea_popescu;listen, while i agree with the reverse (ie, indeed reality iwll have some bearing, no matter how tenuous, on your imagination), the reverse is completely baseless. 505172;1392495161;Namworld;The requirements to be included in the 1% are low... 505173;1392495167;francis_wolke;Okay, cool. 505174;1392495191;asciilifeform;in what magic book is it written that '1%' (of what...) is a useful proxy for 'those who rule' 505175;1392495197;mircea_popescu;and this is so for very good reasons long explored in the history of thought. 505176;1392495213;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform fun anecdote : romania's ruler for the 90s decade owner... a house. 505177;1392495229;asciilifeform;stalin. owned: a coat. 505178;1392495229;mircea_popescu;"sarac dar cinstit" = poor but honest, ion iliescu, the ex dictator-s golden boy. 505179;1392495252;mircea_popescu;indeed, same model. 505180;1392495298;asciilifeform;this goes back to the 'what is control' question from earlier, as well as MP's recent discussion of 'owning a cow' 505181;1392495347;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally : http://trilema.com/2014/democracy-and-finance-dont-mix-the-math-involved/#comment-98112 we're having a little dispute there. 505182;1392495348;Duffer1;i missed that one 505183;1392495350;asciilifeform;if the only things you can 'own' are those that fit in your coffin, then: stalin owned only an overcoat. and a few coin in his pocket. 505184;1392495354;francis_wolke;asciilifeform: Control, with respect to bitcoin, would be whoever has their hand on the 'kill switch'. Assuming that the guy with a nuke is stable. 505185;1392495368;mircea_popescu;there is no nor can there ever be such a "kill switch". 505186;1392495380;mircea_popescu;*that* is a figment of your imagination, like the tits on the goddesses. 505187;1392495397;asciilifeform;there is a 'fuck things up quite a bit' switch, possibly. (as described in my old piece) 505188;1392495404;mircea_popescu;surely. 505189;1392495406;asciilifeform;whether this amounts to 'kill' is debatable. 505190;1392495413;mircea_popescu;i do that to women occasionally. they generally love it. 505191;1392495416;asciilifeform;and depends as much on herd psychology as anything else. 505192;1392495469;asciilifeform;it's rather like, say you were permitted to squeeze off one shot from a small arm at your enemy. does this amount to 'kill switch'? what if you miss? what if he's got a tough hide. 505193;1392495501;francis_wolke;Agreed. 505194;1392495524;francis_wolke;Control, with respect to society, is an emergent phenomenon. That being said, the Manhattan Project happened. 505195;1392495555;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.077 = 0.231 BTC [+] 505196;1392495557;mircea_popescu;francis_wolke http://t.co/pwAThtM4MP << you know that's broken right ? 505197;1392495559;francis_wolke;In secret no less. 505198;1392495560;asciilifeform;i tend to agree with MP and others who conclude that we no longer live in a world where manhattan projects happen. 505199;1392495611;francis_wolke;mircea_popescu: It's not broken for me. http://francis-.github.io/ 505200;1392495633;asciilifeform;the necessary human material is no longer readily available. just as the metals with which the SR-71 was built no longer are. 505201;1392495634;mircea_popescu;http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://francis-.github.io/ 505202;1392495647;mircea_popescu;stubborn cat is he. 505203;1392495648;francis_wolke;asciilifeform: If you have a reading list to support this claim, I'd be happy to read it. 505204;1392495655;asciilifeform;it loads from here 505205;1392495667;asciilifeform;mebbe it's cached at ft. meade. 505206;1392495681;francis_wolke;mircea_popescu: Must have been cached. (Though you already knew that) my bad. 505207;1392495681;mircea_popescu;lol interesting 505208;1392495696;pankkake;francis-.github.io resolves, but firefox does not like the name 505209;1392495715;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure -. is nonrfc 505210;1392495716;asciilifeform;francis_wolke: which claim ? 505211;1392495719;francis_wolke;There is nothing interesting there anyway. Just an 'about' with one sentence. 505212;1392495721;pankkake;nor does lynx 505213;1392495732;pankkake;but chrome does 505214;1392495741;mircea_popescu;see, this is why we need standards. 505215;1392495745;mircea_popescu;so we can all agree on things. 505216;1392495752;mircea_popescu;like for instance now, we can agree that wtf. 505217;1392495759;francis_wolke;asciilifeform: That we're living in a world without Manhattan projects. 505218;1392495781;francis_wolke;asciilifeform: Actually, I'd be interested in a reading list irrespective of that. 505219;1392495782;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform now you're screwed, it looks like you'll have to write that article 505220;1392495792;francis_wolke;mircea_popescu: Same goes for you. 505221;1392495804;mircea_popescu;o no, i'm eight million words ahead in this game. 505222;1392495823;asciilifeform;francis_wolke: i doubt that i, personally, could prove this claim to your satisfaction. 505223;1392495831;asciilifeform;it is merely a strong conjecture. 505224;1392495858;asciilifeform;proving non-existence is generally non-trivial. 505225;1392495876;asciilifeform;except in the purely mathematical scenarios. 505226;1392495887;mircea_popescu;francis_wolke let's consider a simpler alternative. obama fdr and lincoln all broke the law, grossly. in all cases the courts duly signed off on this. 505227;1392495894;mircea_popescu;in the first case, the guy was able to cause civil war. 505228;1392495906;mircea_popescu;in the second case, the guy was able to cause massive resource redistribution 505229;1392495918;mircea_popescu;in the third case, the guy was able to not cause anything outside of measurement error. 505230;1392495924;asciilifeform;francis_wolke: you want a good read: "The Art of Not Being Governed." (James C. Scott) 505231;1392495977;asciilifeform;(book-length, high-quality treatise on the exact recipes whereby humans are corralled and milked) 505232;1392495983;mircea_popescu;the reason of course being ideological convergence, which happens because of the law of large numbers : 505233;1392496002;mircea_popescu;when you have simple ideologies, you have much easier coherence. thus activity with greatly leveraged effect. 505234;1392496024;mircea_popescu;as things progress the complexity of ideology grows and so grows the number of boxes in which we put balls. soon enough you have no box with over X balls. 505235;1392496052;francis_wolke;asciilifeform: Thanks. 505236;1392496094;asciilifeform;francis_wolke: as for the absence of 'modern manhattan project', let's attack that one head-on 505237;1392496104;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.124 BTC [+] 505238;1392496111;francis_wolke;mircea_popescu: I fail to see how this leads to a USG without Manhattan projects. 505239;1392496125;asciilifeform;for instance, you appear to consider seriously the possibility of 'radical life extension tech' being presently in covert use. 505240;1392496130;asciilifeform;do i understand correctly? 505241;1392496135;francis_wolke;mircea_popescu: No 505242;1392496140;mircea_popescu;maybe we don't mean the same thing by manhattan projects. what's your definition ? 505243;1392496140;francis_wolke;err. sorry 505244;1392496146;francis_wolke;asciilifeform:no 505245;1392496174;francis_wolke;A large scale, important project, developed in secret by USG. 505246;1392496181;mircea_popescu;right. 505247;1392496198;mircea_popescu;the limits on the largeness of scale and importance are placed by said law of large numbers. 505248;1392496207;asciilifeform;francis_wolke: further reading. GRU report based on U.S. silver purchases in 1941-43. 505249;1392496215;mircea_popescu;when the options are a1, a2, you will out of a population of 100mn find 50 people able to keep secret X 505250;1392496217;asciilifeform;(manhattan project was no secret to GRU.) 505251;1392496241;mircea_popescu;when the options are a1, an you will not find out of a population of k, k A large scale, important project, developed in secret by USG. << how does bitcoin meet any of your criteria ? 505343;1392497349;asciilifeform;francis_wolke: suggested exercise: invent something fundamental. 505344;1392497357;mircea_popescu;it's neither large scale nor important in that context. 505345;1392497364;asciilifeform;then you will know what it feels like to be a perfect 'conspiracy' of one man. 505346;1392497392;mircea_popescu;pankkake with a tenuous grasp of c practice. 505347;1392497392;asciilifeform;you'll have thoughts like 'wtf. how is it that only one man can know something' 505348;1392497397;dexX7;mircea_popesu: yea, i guess it's not very accurate, but interesting to see an estimate 505349;1392497420;francis_wolke;asciilifeform: Fair enough. 505350;1392497507;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53838261 BTC [+] 505351;1392497509;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i loved dame dench. "Be careful with my name, or you may wear it out!" 505352;1392497566;francis_wolke;mircea_popescu: See my gist. However, I think that it's clear I need to read the Bitcoin sources and more history. The 'reasoning' in said gist may not correspond to reality. 505353;1392497580;mircea_popescu;in a world where every "idea" is in fact chewed and spit and chewed so many times by so many generations by now all that's left is the spit itself, in which vaguely one can recognise the marks left by the spit of whoever long ago, in the manner new spits mix today because of the presence of that old saliva of yore, 505354;1392497592;mircea_popescu;the notion of fresh produce is indeed imponderable. 505355;1392497606;mircea_popescu;francis_wolke actual link ? 505356;1392497628;francis_wolke;mircea_popescu: https://gist.github.com/francis-/34ac1e35e1de283da258 505357;1392497629;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 185 @ 0.002941 = 0.5441 BTC [+] 505358;1392497648;mircea_popescu;fucking teleomeres. 505359;1392497653;mjr_;whats up all 505360;1392497655;mircea_popescu;half the time when i select something a final char is omitted 505361;1392497691;benkay;yo mjr_ what's up 505362;1392497693;mircea_popescu;" Anyone intelligent enough to create Bitcoin will have aligned themselves with some sort of governmental body." << this is a weak assumption. 505363;1392497700;mjr_;very weak mircea_popescu 505364;1392497702;benkay;mircea_popescu: i pointed this out already. 505365;1392497705;mjr_;benkay: whats up 505366;1392497708;mircea_popescu;ello mjr_ 505367;1392497712;mjr_;i just got the coolest new domain 505368;1392497719;mjr_;i'm quite proud of it 505369;1392497723;mircea_popescu;benkay so that makes 2 :) 505370;1392497725;benkay;hackin migration scripts, watching the babe do dishes in heels 505371;1392497745;mjr_;longtermcryptomanagement.com, longtermcryptomgmt.com and ltcmgmt.com 505372;1392497745;mircea_popescu;"A group of people associated with multiple world powers." << no. actual internationalisation happened in 2013, was announced on trilema. 505373;1392497747;benkay;well, sweeping now but general domesticity. what's the domain? 505374;1392497759;mjr_;restarting a brand new LTCM 505375;1392497764;benkay;litecoin management lol mjr_ 505376;1392497769;mjr_;no no 505377;1392497775;mjr_;long term crypto 505378;1392497775;benkay;that's what i read 505379;1392497777;benkay;nope 505380;1392497780;benkay;you're in the litecoin biz nao 505381;1392497785;mircea_popescu;mjr_ they're not that great. 505382;1392497785;mjr_;hahaha 505383;1392497794;mjr_;its mostly a joke mircea_popescu 505384;1392497797;mircea_popescu;o o 505385;1392497804;benkay;i think the ltcmgmt is great! 505386;1392497806;mjr_;anyone who knows LTCM will find it prety funny 505387;1392497813;mircea_popescu;"and Israel" << wtf ?! how do you reason francis_wolke ? 505388;1392497829;mircea_popescu;"and the remaining states are all allies of the US" < ahaha what! 505389;1392497835;mjr_;but i plan on using it as a private consulting company for btcshares.com 505390;1392497849;mjr_;did you guys see that guy from btc shop? 505391;1392497860;mircea_popescu;i guess required reading http://trilema.com/2014/most-wrong-and-absolutely-wrongest/ 505392;1392497868;benkay;if you'd read the gist it woulda saved so much time mircea_popescu 505393;1392497868;benkay;you could've jumped straight to the mockery! 505394;1392497868;mjr_;went public on the pink sheets...as i was recommending bitcoin companies do a year ago 505395;1392497874;mjr_;^^ 505396;1392497900;mircea_popescu;"it's disposal" that's not how you spell the possesive. 505397;1392497916;mircea_popescu;"neigh-impossible" << what is this, cockney ?! 505398;1392497925;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform who's this guy ? 505399;1392497928;mjr_;hahaha 505400;1392497951;mjr_;i've missed chatting with you guys 505401;1392497959;mircea_popescu;"Even if the initial miners in the "Satoshi Gang" were not initially part of the USG - they would be hunted down and forced to turn over their Bitcoin at gunpoint." oh for the love of christ. 505402;1392497960;mjr_;do you have the link handy for the romania trip? 505403;1392497972;mircea_popescu;mjr_ the conference you mea n? 505404;1392497975;mjr_;yes 505405;1392497981;benkay;mjr_: pm 505406;1392497982;mjr_;i am starting to try and make plans 505407;1392497992;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/ 505408;1392497993;ozbot;The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 505409;1392498004;mjr_;thanks so much 505410;1392498048;mircea_popescu;francis_wolke your git is nonsense. 505411;1392498051;mircea_popescu;and somewhat related : 505412;1392498053;mircea_popescu;Dolchstolegende is the notion, widely believed in right-wing circles in Germany after 1918, that the German Army did not lose World War I but was instead betrayed by the civilians on the home front, especially the republicans who overthrew the monarchy. Advocates denounced the German government leaders who signed the Armistice on November 11, 1918, as the "November Criminals" (German: Novemberverbrecher). 505413;1392498070;francis_wolke;mircea_popescu: I read the logs. My wifi died. 505414;1392498085;mircea_popescu;now, can we transpose the manhattan argument in terms of novemberverbrecher argument ? 505415;1392498106;mircea_popescu;ie, could we say the same things we say of our current fashion (ie, large scale tech project) about yesteryear's fashion ? 505416;1392498116;mircea_popescu;(ie, large scale political project) 505417;1392498159;francis_wolke;I'm not following. 505418;1392498176;mircea_popescu;the only difference being that in the 2000s humanity is fed by technology, whereas in 1900 it was fed by politics, which meant, of course, deploying the force of arms to acquire wealth. 505419;1392498187;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: who's this guy << no idea. seems to read my site at least occasionally. 505420;1392498187;mircea_popescu;francis_wolke you'll ahve to put that in the form of a question. 505421;1392498219;francis_wolke;mircea_popescu: One sec, reading your blogpost. 505422;1392498233;mircea_popescu;no rush really, #bitcoin-assets is eternal 505423;1392498251;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform keeps giving us these immortality pills, we'll be here forever. 505424;1392498360;ThickAsThieves;someone likes the BitBet layout: https://fairlay.com/ 505425;1392498372;mircea_popescu;ahahaha fair lay! 505426;1392498401;mircea_popescu;speaking of lays : benkay take the girls pic, post it, have her come by i'll give her a bitcoin so she can build her independent wealth. 505427;1392498419;mircea_popescu;(in heels, doing housework, obviously) 505428;1392498426;benkay;that was her! 505429;1392498454;benkay;she's already on payroll over here. 505430;1392498502;benkay;although if you foot the bill for travel to romania you can have a go at talking her into your dungeon. 505431;1392498507;pankkake;https://fairlay.com/bet/registered/new/ethereum-talk-10-000-views-on-youtube/ how can this be approved :/ 505432;1392498509;ozbot;Bet on: Ethereum talk > 10.000 views on YouTube 505433;1392498517;pankkake;fake views are so cheap 505434;1392498560;mircea_popescu;benkay i normally talk girls out of it not into it. 505435;1392498567;mircea_popescu;and what "that" ? 505436;1392498584;mircea_popescu;pankkake it's a fair lay lmao 505437;1392498598;benkay;the tikooni 505438;1392498605;mjr_;mircea_popescu: 505439;1392498615;mjr_;it is prevailing market rates of 1760? 505440;1392498621;mircea_popescu;o srsly ? /me actually clicks the link then 505441;1392498643;mjr_;has that been edited? i seem to remember 10 bitcoin price, not sure if i am remembering wrong 505442;1392498654;benkay;psh 505443;1392498680;mircea_popescu;mjr_ sorry ? 505444;1392498715;mircea_popescu;benkay you know i have the exact bowl ? 505445;1392498717;mircea_popescu;fucking chinese. 505446;1392498736;benkay;mircea_popescu: that's a strainer. 505447;1392498767;mircea_popescu;i see no holes ?! 505448;1392498770;mjr_;mircea_popescu: i thought the fee was 10 bitcoins for VIP, not that I am complaining, I just haven't looked in a while 505449;1392498778;mjr_;and i was under that impression 505450;1392498781;mircea_popescu;nah it always was X at time of payment, 505451;1392498782;benkay;it's a low-rez jpeg and they're small! 505452;1392498785;mjr_;ah cool 505453;1392498785;mircea_popescu;happened to be 10 btc at that time 505454;1392498792;mircea_popescu;wow. ok nm then! 505455;1392498799;mjr_;i am planning on going, and will get the payment in b4 the ides of march 505456;1392498814;mjr_;have to check my schedule real quick but it should be fine 505457;1392498852;mircea_popescu;i was going to go "oh, the blessings of romanian living, i just drained a bottle of tuica out of my barrel in the cellar now i have nicely cold tuica", but i guess i should pass. 505458;1392498990;benkay;not moving to argentina, i gather. 505459;1392499016;mircea_popescu;who knows these things. 505460;1392499042;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let me ask you this : are you gathering lots of information about the early days of bitcoin by extensively watching the altcoin chain, tracking txns etc ? 505461;1392499056;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on and off. 505462;1392499064;mircea_popescu;gedankenexperiment : you are the usg. 505463;1392499068;asciilifeform;not terribly actively in recent times, got, well, other things on me plate. 505464;1392499073;mircea_popescu;exactly. 505465;1392499157;mircea_popescu;could you have been a one man conspiracy to take it all over ? certainly. did you ? no. why not ? well...because of soft constraints. 505466;1392499163;mircea_popescu;this is what they are, this is how they work. 505467;1392499206;asciilifeform;everyone likes to imagine that there lives a hero. 505468;1392499215;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25888 @ 0.00087307 = 22.602 BTC [+] {5} 505469;1392499233;mircea_popescu;sure. and i see no problem with that, as you know, conversation. 505470;1392499237;mircea_popescu;reality however... 505471;1392499273;mircea_popescu;you gotta actually do it for it to be done. coulding have done it ain't military grade. 505472;1392499276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21612 @ 0.00087425 = 18.8943 BTC [+] {4} 505473;1392499346;mircea_popescu;epic shit this, i've already derived more value from it than doge ever was worth. 505474;1392499469;mircea_popescu;benkay anyway, nice girl, happy times! 505475;1392499520;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12999999 BTC [+] 505476;1392499581;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.002941 = 0.3265 BTC [-] 505477;1392499643;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1275 BTC [-] 505478;1392499703;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.07366666 = 0.221 BTC [-] {2} 505479;1392499704;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.124 = 0.372 BTC [-] {2} 505480;1392499705;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 505481;1392499764;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 505482;1392499825;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06899999 = 0.276 BTC [+] 505483;1392499886;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00294498 = 0.106 BTC [+] 505484;1392500009;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.124 BTC [-] 505485;1392500069;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 505486;1392500374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8228 @ 0.0008746 = 7.1962 BTC [+] {2} 505487;1392500558;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.124 BTC [-] 505488;1392500618;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 505489;1392500881;benkay;mmm yes. 505490;1392500883;benkay;happy times. 505491;1392501289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4677 @ 0.00087501 = 4.0924 BTC [+] 505492;1392501371;deanclkclk;anyone around? 505493;1392501384;deanclkclk;are there any alternatives to okpay which accepts fiat on behalf of exchanges? 505494;1392501411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8064 @ 0.00087015 = 7.0169 BTC [-] 505495;1392501462;mircea_popescu;deanclkclk not really. 505496;1392501472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2886 @ 0.00086943 = 2.5092 BTC [-] 505497;1392501480;mircea_popescu;exchanges currently seem to have a lot of problems, but if you trust any one you are best served by asking them what they can process 505498;1392501598;deanclkclk;thing is..I'm creating an exchange i'm kinda limited to okpay to do this 505499;1392501654;Duffer1;;;gpg info deanclkclk 505500;1392501655;gribble;No such user registered. 505501;1392501666;mircea_popescu;deanclkclk perhaps you've not thought this though that much. 505502;1392501673;deanclkclk;what do you mean? 505503;1392501682;deanclkclk;especially when you get an account..you also get a bank account 505504;1392501703;deanclkclk;well someone else on my team is looking into it but, it something that's been nagging my conscious 505505;1392501720;deanclkclk;conscience * 505506;1392501747;Duffer1;btc/usd exchange? 505507;1392501804;deanclkclk;yes Duffer1 505508;1392501814;deanclkclk;and btc/eur 505509;1392501825;deanclkclk;ltc also alsong with btc/ltc 505510;1392501861;mircea_popescu;deanclkclk i guess as mpoe-pr would say, see here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0 505511;1392501899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12936 @ 0.00086847 = 11.2345 BTC [-] {3} 505512;1392502232;deanclkclk;thx for that mircea_popescu 505513;1392502252;mircea_popescu;people with millions of dollars in backing failed at what you propose. 505514;1392502257;deanclkclk;but, what's WOT by the way? 505515;1392502265;mircea_popescu;it's not something to be started to fill an idle hour in the afternoon, like wittling. 505516;1392502278;deanclkclk;I know mircea_popescu 505517;1392502284;mircea_popescu;http://bitcoin-otc.com/trust.php this thing 505518;1392502295;Duffer1;Web Of Trust 505519;1392502305;deanclkclk;I have a value added propition mircea_popescu nad what I'm bring is like high frequency trading 505520;1392502327;deanclkclk;buyer wants more ..seller wants less...the trading will be automated where we try to get the best price for both buyer and seller 505521;1392502329;deanclkclk;understand? 505522;1392502362;deanclkclk;and in some cases..they can get more dollars ..as in the case of the trader and more btc in the case of the buyer 505523;1392502381;benkay;nope. do not understand. i must be idiots. 505524;1392502397;mircea_popescu;do you by any chance misrepresent "hft" to mean "a simulacra of amazon's autobid function" ? 505525;1392502412;Duffer1;you propose to allow buy/sell a price different than quoted? 505526;1392502444;deanclkclk;the buyer puts his max bid and the seller puts there minium ask price 505527;1392502467;deanclkclk;the algorithm goes through the list and find the best price for both buyer and seller Duffer1 505528;1392502474;benkay;YOU GUYS 505529;1392502478;benkay;HE'S INVENTED THE ORDER BOOK 505530;1392502481;Duffer1;how is that different than a regular order book 505531;1392502491;deanclkclk;so the seller might get more fiat and the buyer might get more btc 505532;1392502500;mircea_popescu;it presumably doesn't display actual values. 505533;1392502505;deanclkclk;it does 505534;1392502517;deanclkclk;it will show what actually traded 505535;1392502520;Duffer1;dark pool, but not dark 505536;1392502528;mircea_popescu;deanclkclk you may not like to hear this, but nevertheless it's a fact : you're really not able to do this. for your own sake do it for something light, like a play crypto. 505537;1392502534;mircea_popescu;do doge/alt/ltc/we. 505538;1392502544;deanclkclk;why? 505539;1392502548;mircea_popescu;because you're too stupid. 505540;1392502550;deanclkclk;why do you suggest that? 505541;1392502556;deanclkclk;why am I stupid? 505542;1392502571;mircea_popescu;well there are many fundamental points you're unable to consider. 505543;1392502577;deanclkclk;like what? 505544;1392502579;Duffer1;when you lose everyone's money for them it will hurt more than when you lose everyone's memecoin 505545;1392502581;deanclkclk;what's the main one? 505546;1392502583;mircea_popescu;i would imagine it's a combination of youth and whatever else. 505547;1392502606;deanclkclk;how am I loosing people's money when I said ..the objective is for folks to get more 505548;1392502620;benkay;well it's a zero sum game, homie 505549;1392502624;deanclkclk;a trade...we find the lease expensive ask and the highest bid and trade 505550;1392502631;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06899999 = 0.345 BTC [+] 505551;1392502634;deanclkclk;are u that fucking stupid? 505552;1392502634;benkay;so this is not an open problem 505553;1392502638;Duffer1;you clearly don't understand enough of what's involved to be put yourself in a position of responsibility for other's money 505554;1392502638;benkay;https://openex.pw/ 505555;1392502641;Duffer1;other's fortunes 505556;1392502682;deanclkclk;as oppose just stating random things..state in what instance I'm a "too fucking stupid" 505557;1392502689;deanclkclk;what area? 505558;1392502704;Duffer1;ok what's your area of expertise? 505559;1392502705;benkay;deanclkclk: matching the lowest ask and highest bid is the baseline for an exchange. 505560;1392502706;mircea_popescu;deanclkclk don't take it personally. i have no particular interest in the matter. 505561;1392502706;deanclkclk;I made 2 or 3 statements and all of a sudden...I'm too fucking stupid 505562;1392502710;benkay;it is completely unspecial. 505563;1392502726;mircea_popescu;well yes. we can see what statements you make and compare. 505564;1392502743;deanclkclk;benkay: have u traded on BTC-e? 505565;1392502756;benkay;deanclkclk: why does this matter? 505566;1392502758;deanclkclk;basically I just get the quantity I ask for 505567;1392502767;deanclkclk;well I bid 505568;1392502769;deanclkclk;I don't get more 505569;1392502773;mircea_popescu;>< 505570;1392502787;mircea_popescu;why would you want to get more ? 505571;1392502797;benkay;deanclkclk: you're unfortunately trading on exchanges run by derpy web developers that don't match orders like professionals, and so you come to the conclusion that order matching is a) a hard problem and b) something you're qualified to handle. 505572;1392502797;Duffer1;how could you get more? 505573;1392502813;deanclkclk;why wouldn't anyone want to get more BTC if the purpose of the site is to find the least ask trade 505574;1392502820;pankkake;as far as I know btc-e does things properly 505575;1392502822;benkay;furthermore, the problem you're trying to solve is not actually a problem. it's a flaw in your perceptions of trading. 505576;1392502826;mircea_popescu;deanclkclk because people generally want to get what they want to get. 505577;1392502834;deanclkclk;lol 505578;1392502836;deanclkclk;ok 505579;1392502845;Duffer1;noooo not ok 505580;1392502847;deanclkclk;u people must be programmers 505581;1392502852;mircea_popescu;actually, no. 505582;1392502861;Duffer1;now you're going to walk off and do it anyways, stay and talk 505583;1392502864;mircea_popescu;the only programmer here is benkay and we only keep him around cause his gf. 505584;1392502873;benkay;oi 505585;1392502876;mircea_popescu;lol 505586;1392502898;deanclkclk;people want to get what they ask for? that doesn't make any business sense 505587;1392502911;deanclkclk;people generally likes to leverage 505588;1392502912;mircea_popescu;so when i order a wire of X dollars, 505589;1392502919;deanclkclk;so I don't know what planet u people are from 505590;1392502920;mircea_popescu;the recipient should get X+k dollars ? 505591;1392502924;deanclkclk;yes 505592;1392502928;deanclkclk;that ask 505593;1392502934;mircea_popescu;well, i suppose it must be a different planet. 505594;1392502937;deanclkclk;the bid...might get more say BTC 505595;1392502941;Duffer1;dat variety speak 505596;1392502954;Duffer1;much learning for you young padawan 505597;1392502971;pankkake;but if you want more, just ask for more. your ask might not get fully filled, so? that was the price you wanted 505598;1392502974;deanclkclk;it's not guaranteed but, hte bare minimum they get what the actually bid and ask were 505599;1392502977;mircea_popescu;maybe there could be a coin dedicated to this concept. 505600;1392502987;mircea_popescu;each transfer yields more coins i nthe recipient address than were sent 505601;1392502992;mircea_popescu;this defo beats bernankoin 505602;1392502992;pankkake;I mean bid, lol 505603;1392503010;deanclkclk;guy..do you know how market works...prices change on the fly 505604;1392503019;mircea_popescu;pankkake he just outsmarted your BNK! 505605;1392503021;deanclkclk;and trades can happen ever second 505606;1392503025;pankkake;*BEK 505607;1392503029;mircea_popescu;o my bad 505608;1392503036;deanclkclk;so if I put this bid and the price sinks...I'm would be a happy camper 505609;1392503053;Duffer1;a futures exchange? 505610;1392503065;pankkake;you'd have to know the future indeed 505611;1392503069;mircea_popescu;deanclkclk so you want to specify orders by the other part of the pair, basically ? 505612;1392503083;mircea_popescu;sells specified in dollars, buys in bitcoin for the btc/usd pair ? 505613;1392503087;deanclkclk;mircea_popescu: again..attention 505614;1392503110;deanclkclk;by the bare minimum...the traders would get what they ask for....X dollars for the seller and X BTC for the buyer 505615;1392503137;deanclkclk;but, there could be a case where Seller and Buyer gets more depending on the trade 505616;1392503157;deanclkclk;the purpose is to find the highest bid and the lowest ask 505617;1392503159;pankkake;you should write a proof of concept (without any actual monies involved) 505618;1392503172;deanclkclk;I'm already doing that 505619;1392503197;mircea_popescu;hence my advice to use play coins. 505620;1392503203;pankkake;well then perhaps I'll understand your proposal 505621;1392503205;deanclkclk;so for instance...I put 100 for 1 BTC and I find a ask for 95 505622;1392503206;mircea_popescu;if your idea blows up you won't be hung out to dry. 505623;1392503217;benkay;no, you will. 505624;1392503224;deanclkclk;I save $5 dollars and I can use that 5 dollars to get an additional satososhi 505625;1392503227;mircea_popescu;ok, but not with a spiked stake in your anus 505626;1392503234;deanclkclk;it's small but it's incremental :) 505627;1392503241;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.07000003 = 0.63 BTC [-] {4} 505628;1392503246;mircea_popescu;o look, btctalk is down 505629;1392503265;pankkake;it's not. they banned you? 505630;1392503274;deanclkclk;now tell me...am I stupid? 505631;1392503289;Namworld;How do you find such lower ask/higher bid so buyer/seller gets more? All bids/asks are all already there when someone place an order. 505632;1392503296;deanclkclk;I'm already using testnet folks 505633;1392503309;pankkake;if I put 100 for 1 BTC and there is an ask at 95, I'm already getting that bitcoin at 95 505634;1392503311;mircea_popescu;http://nypost.com/2013/10/11/teen-who-faced-sex-offenders-list-for-streaking-commits-suicide/ 505635;1392503313;ozbot;Teen kills self after streaking backlash | New York Post 505636;1392503315;mircea_popescu;key words " alabama law" 505637;1392503318;pankkake;almost everywhere 505638;1392503325;Jere_Jones;You plan on doing this *on* the blockchain? 505639;1392503332;deanclkclk;all exchanges? pankkake ? 505640;1392503342;Namworld;Yes 505641;1392503342;deanclkclk;so what happens with the $5 dollars 505642;1392503349;mircea_popescu;pankkake nm back up 505643;1392503363;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.13199988 = 0.66 BTC [+] {3} 505644;1392503380;Namworld;You don't spend that $5 because there is a ask lower than 100 per BTC at 95. 505645;1392503386;pankkake;you end up with $5 and 1 BTC 505646;1392503395;Namworld;That's what happen. You get 5 dollar + a BTC 505647;1392503406;deanclkclk;so why not find another satoshi for the 5 bucks? 505648;1392503412;Duffer1;or if you do a market buy, the 5$ buys from the next order inline 505649;1392503437;deanclkclk;well that's not my experience with other exchanges folks...sorry 505650;1392503440;deanclkclk;maybe I was missing something 505651;1392503443;Namworld;You CAN select to buy 100 dollar of BTC. The exchange already finds the lowest asks and gets as much BTC as possible. 505652;1392503459;Namworld;You can select amount to buy/sell in dollar or in BTC already. 505653;1392503467;Namworld;You already get the best ask/bid. 505654;1392503467;Jere_Jones;market order vs limit order 505655;1392503475;Namworld;That's how all exchanges already work. 505656;1392503481;ThickAsThieves;time to ditch OpenEx: https://www.x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc 505657;1392503497;ThickAsThieves;courtesy of Apocalyptic 505658;1392503498;pankkake;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_(exchange) basically 505659;1392503498;ozbot;Order (exchange) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 505660;1392503504;pankkake;omgizz! thanks Apocalyptic 505661;1392503505;mircea_popescu;curious if BingoBoingo will support it 505662;1392503529;Apocalyptic;hope you guys like this order matching better heh 505663;1392503534;pankkake;the current slowness of ATC blocks will make arbitrage annoying 505664;1392503542;BingoBoingo;Sure, will take a few hours to move out. That's usually the lag on withdrawals. 505665;1392503550;Apocalyptic;I heard a diff retarget is in 33 blocks 505666;1392503566;mircea_popescu;funny thing is, the r3wt guy will never know what exactly he missed by not being part of things. 505667;1392503578;pankkake;try 1000 more blocks 505668;1392503585;ThickAsThieves;really? 505669;1392503590;ThickAsThieves;fuuu 505670;1392503592;mircea_popescu;pankkake how long are blocks atm, 10 mns ? 505671;1392503599;ThickAsThieves;like 50m 505672;1392503602;pankkake;yeah I think it's 2016 blocks, of 512 sec blocks 505673;1392503618;deanclkclk;can you cancel a trade that's partially filled on these exchanges? 505674;1392503623;Namworld;Yes 505675;1392503636;Duffer1;every exchange i've used ya 505676;1392503641;deanclkclk;which ones? 505677;1392503647;pankkake;all of them 505678;1392503651;deanclkclk;lie 505679;1392503652;Namworld;MtGox, Bitstamp, BTC-E, you name it. 505680;1392503658;ThickAsThieves;dean we dont need more exchanges 505681;1392503661;Namworld;I don't know of one that doesn't. 505682;1392503665;Duffer1;campbx/gox/btce/mcxnow 505683;1392503683;pankkake;look, if you don't allow cancelling, you're going to end up with nonsense very quickly 505684;1392503694;Duffer1;note that half of those are dead, and the others are questionably/likely scams 505685;1392503708;deanclkclk;I've used btc-e and no way in hell I could cancel a trade that was partially filled 505686;1392503741;Apocalyptic;deanclkclk, i could 505687;1392503752;Duffer1;it's highlighted in yellow in the order book and all open positions are visible below the order book, scroll down 505688;1392503753;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves at the rate we're going we soon might. you know the joke with the cadet and his horse? 505689;1392503778;Duffer1;yellow or grey i forget, it's been a while, when you mouse over it you can cancel 505690;1392503786;deanclkclk;so must of u guys are traders? 505691;1392503801;BingoBoingo;deanclkclk: Not at all 505692;1392503812;Duffer1;hell no lol 505693;1392503814;mircea_popescu;we are the secret iluminati club of bitcoin. 505694;1392503819;mircea_popescu;nice to meet you. 505695;1392503838;deanclkclk;so if you are not traders or programmers...what the fuck is that profession? 505696;1392503850;pankkake;I'm an eternal curious finance noob 505697;1392503869;Duffer1;I'm a clinger that lost it all and hangs around for I don't know why 505698;1392503873;Namworld;Some in here are traders I suppose. Other are business owners. 505699;1392503885;Namworld;Others are just watching for info/news. 505700;1392503891;Duffer1;the Haters Club, now with Bitcoin 505701;1392503894;ThickAsThieves;i'm a serial journeyman 505702;1392503907;mircea_popescu;you're all jews. 505703;1392503917;pankkake;if only being a hater was a job 505704;1392503925;Duffer1;seriously 505705;1392503937;Duffer1;well mpoe-pr, so jealous :( 505706;1392503941;mircea_popescu;i think most people go into the press trying to make a job out of it. 505707;1392503946;mircea_popescu;ahahaha right-o! 505708;1392504007;deanclkclk;so for traders here..what do you guys would want out of an exchange that your currently not getting? 505709;1392504027;Duffer1;theft insurance 505710;1392504073;deadweasel;liquidity 505711;1392504079;Namworld;Which I don't think is feasible to begin with. 505712;1392504089;deanclkclk;anything is possible 505713;1392504091;Namworld;(insurance) 505714;1392504109;Namworld;Anything? 505715;1392504114;deanclkclk;meaning if you loose 100% of your BTC..u get back say full or partial? 505716;1392504124;benkay;i want bad trade insurance 505717;1392504127;benkay;like 505718;1392504130;benkay;i bought atc at 150 505719;1392504131;kakobrekla;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26210053 505720;1392504132;benkay;it's now 100 505721;1392504137;benkay;i want that 50 sat back plz 505722;1392504138;mircea_popescu;actual credibility. 505723;1392504142;mircea_popescu;would be nice but it's too onerous to hope for. 505724;1392504142;Duffer1;nono if (when) the exchange is compromised and the hot/cold wallets stolen it's insured 505725;1392504143;deanclkclk;lol 505726;1392504144;mircea_popescu;how come every day there's some doofus who does nothing but parts and joins ;/ 505727;1392504146;mircea_popescu;deanclkclk so make a perpetuum mobile then, why you wasting your time with this crap. 505728;1392504161;deanclkclk;the only ones credible I know are the ones registered with finrar 505729;1392504168;deanclkclk;but, most traders don't want to be tracked 505730;1392504212;Namworld;There's already BTC-e to not be tracked. They don't require any verification as far as I know. 505731;1392504217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28818 @ 0.0008757 = 25.2359 BTC [+] {4} 505732;1392504232;Namworld;The registered ones are not typically insured. 505733;1392504237;deanclkclk;yes i know but, coinmkt requires social security 505734;1392504256;Duffer1;i don't know of any one that is insured 505735;1392504304;deanclkclk;how must of you guys get your money to exchanges? bank transfer? 505736;1392504320;Namworld;Yes. Bank transfer. 505737;1392504344;deanclkclk;that's the preferred way I guess 505738;1392504359;deanclkclk;and the fees doesn't matter to you guys right? 505739;1392504380;pankkake;there are fees for bank transfers? 505740;1392504381;mircea_popescu;... 505741;1392504416;Namworld;I don't know of any fiat transfer mechanism without fees. 505742;1392504432;deanclkclk;no...apologies. I was talking about trading fees 505743;1392504453;mircea_popescu;or i could bitch. 505744;1392504467;Namworld;What about them? What do you want to do? 505745;1392504490;davout;pankkake: oui? 505746;1392504495;deanclkclk;offering less trading fees 505747;1392504513;ThickAsThieves;i dont quite understand the OpenEx withdrawal process, but we'll see... 505748;1392504521;Namworld;Well that wouldn't get me at all. 505749;1392504524;ThickAsThieves;it doesnt even ask for a wallet 505750;1392504535;Namworld;I don't care about lower fees. 505751;1392504563;pankkake;davout: about insured deposits on exchanges 505752;1392504565;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves maybe it's psychic ? 505753;1392504568;deanclkclk;what would get you then? 505754;1392504581;pankkake;or it's a "donate all to exchange owner" feature 505755;1392504583;benkay;NOTHING FUCK OFF DIE AND GO AWAY EXCHAGES ARE THE WORST AND ATTRACT THE WORST 505756;1392504590;benkay;sorry. 505757;1392504593;deanclkclk;Again, I just started out in trading about 4 months ago but, I'm a programmer 505758;1392504596;benkay;sorry for capslock :( 505759;1392504598;mircea_popescu;deanclkclk dude srsly, nobody is using the thing of an unknown. you were here in channel when this happened, openx just lost all its business because Apocalyptic. 505760;1392504617;Namworld;You've just proposed x then y then z upon seeing the first things were already there so wouldn't work. If you couldn't figure it out, you're not fit to handle customer Bitcoins. Because when first thing will work, there won't be other things to try. 505761;1392504618;deanclkclk;huh? 505762;1392504622;Namworld;Bitcoins will be gone. 505763;1392504633;pankkake;well Apocalyptic doesn't know how to configure a mail server so I'm still waiting for the activation mail 505764;1392504635;Namworld;I'm basically not going to touch anything you'd do. 505765;1392504649;deanclkclk;those were all my value proposition ..I couldn't just come and spill everything 505766;1392504667;deanclkclk;I asked one at a time to get a feel of what people want 505767;1392504669;mircea_popescu;and Namworld comes to the same conclusion everyone else did, but after putting more effort and time into it. 505768;1392504678;ThickAsThieves;pankkake mine went to spam 505769;1392504705;Namworld;I just wanted to go through all the details of why no one here is interested. 505770;1392504707;deanclkclk;who is 505771;1392504709;pankkake;my server greylists things that do not have SPF or proper SPF 505772;1392504715;deanclkclk;who is Apocalyptic? 505773;1392504720;Duffer1;people want trust (web of trust), people want competence (any experience in finance or handling other's significant amounts of money?) 505774;1392504720;benkay;who are you? 505775;1392504725;Namworld;I like explaining why. 505776;1392504728;mircea_popescu;Namworld yeah, i didn't mean it negatively. 505777;1392504738;ThickAsThieves;;;gettrust Apocalyptic 505778;1392504739;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask Apocalyptic!~Apocalypt@unaffiliated/apocalyptic. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user Apocalyptic: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=Apocalyptic | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Apocalyptic | Rated since: Mon Jul 15 09:32:50 2013 505779;1392504754;deanclkclk;finance is good but, also tech expertise 505780;1392504756;benkay;;;gettrust deanclkclk 505781;1392504757;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user deanclkclk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=deanclkclk | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=deanclkclk | Rated since: never 505782;1392504767;benkay;if you want to btc 505783;1392504768;deanclkclk;most of the problem with exchanges are tech experience 505784;1392504770;benkay;first you must wot 505785;1392504773;mircea_popescu;deanclkclk get over that. techs are monkeys. nobody cares. 505786;1392504778;pankkake;Apocalyptic: 1) add a SPF record to x-bt.com 2) if possible set your reverse dns in something x-bt.com - that will reduce your amount of spaminess greatly 505787;1392504778;deanclkclk;ok 505788;1392504781;benkay;deanclkclk: incorrect. 505789;1392504790;benkay;deanclkclk: tech is a trivial thing. 505790;1392504790;Namworld;I know you didn't mircea, just a random fact I wanted to add to it. 505791;1392504806;deanclkclk;benkay: run that command again 505792;1392504827;Namworld;With that, I'm gone. Got to meet with the family. 505793;1392504831;mircea_popescu;have fun 505794;1392504842;deanclkclk;;;gettrust deanclkclk 505795;1392504843;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user deanclkclk to user deanclkclk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=deanclkclk&dest=deanclkclk | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=deanclkclk | Rated since: never 505796;1392504865;deanclkclk;so I need to signup to WOT. I haven't done so 505797;1392504876;benkay;you also need to read the thing you were linked way back up miles above 505798;1392504887;deanclkclk;yes 505799;1392504888;ThickAsThieves;great snapshot http://imgur.com/1guYfy2 505800;1392504890;benkay;"so you want to start a bitcoin business" 505801;1392504891;mircea_popescu;i tohught he read that 505802;1392504902;deanclkclk;again who is apocalyptic? 505803;1392504903;mircea_popescu;but it didn't apply to him, because that was for all the OTHER kids. 505804;1392504922;Duffer1;MP you should have PR add 'dat variety speak' article to her start a business thread 505805;1392504923;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves ahaha seriously ?! 505806;1392504932;pankkake;I don't know who Apocalyptic is but people I trust seem to trust him 505807;1392504939;pankkake;;;gettrust Apocalyptic 505808;1392504939;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask Apocalyptic!~Apocalypt@unaffiliated/apocalyptic. Trust relationship from user pankkake to user Apocalyptic: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=pankkake&dest=Apocalyptic | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Apocalyptic | Rated since: Mon Jul 15 09:32:50 2013 505809;1392504946;mircea_popescu;the news at 5, a string of mistakes that eventually annul each other if long enough. 505810;1392504947;Apocalyptic;pankkake, good point @SPF record 505811;1392504975;benkay;Duffer1: people who need to read Variety Speak won't get it. 505812;1392504982;deanclkclk;means that mircea_popescu recommended apocalyptic? 505813;1392504998;mircea_popescu;what im the only 1 ? 505814;1392505000;benkay;Duffer1: just like people who need to read "so you want to start a bitcoin business" can't get over their egos and get it. 505815;1392505001;ThickAsThieves;dean 505816;1392505003;deanclkclk;so let me get this straight. He created openex and people are loosing money? 505817;1392505008;ThickAsThieves;lear about the WoT 505818;1392505010;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.13199989 = 0.924 BTC [+] 505819;1392505019;ThickAsThieves;then youll understand why it matters at all 505820;1392505020;deanclkclk;I hear you ThickAsThieves 505821;1392505029;ThickAsThieves;and how the hell we can trust anyone across the webz 505822;1392505037;benkay;Duffer1: just like people who'd benefit from BingoBoingo's advice on how not to fail in bitcoin are too wrapped up in their silicon valley bullshit to listen to him. 505823;1392505049;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1624278/plain/) 505824;1392505049;BingoBoingo;!b 1 505825;1392505050;deanclkclk;ok so once I sign up..how does one become trusted? 505826;1392505053;Duffer1;hehe 505827;1392505066;deadweasel;'ycombinated minds' as mircea_popescu aptly put it 505828;1392505069;mircea_popescu;deanclkclk well it first and foremost takes time 505829;1392505069;ThickAsThieves;you do trustworthy things 505830;1392505076;benkay;deanclkclk: do something useful, don't screw people over. 505831;1392505079;mircea_popescu;which is why you want to do that early and then lurk here 505832;1392505083;mircea_popescu;you'll figure it out soon enough 505833;1392505084;Duffer1;you're not wrong benkay, call me a hopeless optimist though, some may learn before they lose it all instead of after 505834;1392505086;BingoBoingo;deanclkclk: You do trustful things first, eventually you get to do trustworthy things 505835;1392505096;benkay;losing it all is a part of the learning process 505836;1392505123;deanclkclk;well..I started the project from December but, I've been mostly on #bitcoin, #bitcoin-dev and #litcoin 505837;1392505126;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 benkay it was illustrated recently by herbi. the only restraint is that people's ability to be all imperial and handwave reality be overrun 505838;1392505126;benkay;whether 'all' is 9 bucks like in herbi's case, or everything everything in yours... 505839;1392505128;pankkake;what about learning by losing it half? 505840;1392505134;mircea_popescu;they don't actually have to lose anytihng per se, other than their own vanity 505841;1392505142;mircea_popescu;(or, as a progre would put it, "self-respect") 505842;1392505144;deanclkclk;I know I guy here called twitz from here..I can't remember his irc name 505843;1392505145;benkay;pankkake i gotcha buddy 505844;1392505175;Duffer1;twizt 505845;1392505177;pankkake;I learned to do backups by losing only 1/3. but I still miss it :( 505846;1392505185;ThickAsThieves;some sleepytime audio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yYrYCE4i1c 505847;1392505188;benkay;one can always earn more bitcoins. 505848;1392505200;benkay;one can never fix a reputation for incompetence. 505849;1392505205;ThickAsThieves;ozbot where are you? 505850;1392505212;benkay;much less a reputation for outright scammery. 505851;1392505224;pankkake;(backups in the general sense, not losing bitcoins due to lack of backups) 505852;1392505229;Duffer1;benkayone can always earn more bitcoins. >>> i wish 505853;1392505250;benkay;Duffer1: only thing holding you back is you, cousine. 505854;1392505274;ThickAsThieves;yep, ive seen like 3 jobs posted in here this week 505855;1392505305;BingoBoingo;;;tslb 505856;1392505306;gribble;Time since last block: 13 minutes and 49 seconds 505857;1392505314;benkay;ThickAsThieves: what jobs? 505858;1392505325;ThickAsThieves;ATC Manager to the Stars 505859;1392505330;ThickAsThieves;ATC Trader to the Stars 505860;1392505332;ThickAsThieves;hehe 505861;1392505338;benkay;well that second one was actually a noob trap 505862;1392505350;ThickAsThieves;also i'll pay bounties for needed ATC services 505863;1392505361;BingoBoingo;benkay: Actually I'm handling that second on nao. 505864;1392505379;BingoBoingo;I am the n00btrap. 505865;1392505382;benkay;o yea 505866;1392505390;benkay;for teh lolz 505867;1392505415;ThickAsThieves;random thought, there;s no way in hell that wall st guy put 8 nails in himself 505868;1392505419;ThickAsThieves;he was killed 505869;1392505435;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Why not. people survive more nails than that. 505870;1392505439;ThickAsThieves;it's like 5 dead now? 505871;1392505453;benkay;five who and what? 505872;1392505455;ThickAsThieves;it makes no sense 505873;1392505477;Duffer1;oh shi there's more? 505874;1392505492;BingoBoingo;Anyways. I thought he was Colorado Title company guy. Not Wallstreet. 505875;1392505494;mircea_popescu; << one could, perhaps, but defo not by persevering in the manner that got them the original reputation in the first place. 505876;1392505508;ThickAsThieves;if youre gonna kill yourself and you are intelligent, wtf would you nailgub yourself, and when did go for it, how the hell do you make it to 7 or 8 in the body and head? 505877;1392505521;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you know this was discussed :D 505878;1392505522;ThickAsThieves;nailgun* 505879;1392505531;ThickAsThieves;oh you think he was killed too? 505880;1392505540;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Well, the nails themselves slow bleeding. And there was no evidence he was intelligent at all. 505881;1392505555;mircea_popescu;well it's a well known joke this, "suicide, 3 shots to the head" 505882;1392505558;Duffer1;depends on nail placement really 505883;1392505561;pankkake;probably lacked the street smarts 505884;1392505574;Duffer1;and basic knowledge of anatomy 505885;1392505575;mircea_popescu; well that second one was actually a noob trap <<< all jobs are de facto noob traps 505886;1392505588;benkay;huh that's an interesting take 505887;1392505592;benkay;how so? 505888;1392505592;mircea_popescu;doh. 505889;1392505602;mircea_popescu;the thing that qualifies a good lay is exactly the thing that disqualifies a rotten one 505890;1392505603;benkay;oh enlighten my derpy ass 505891;1392505617;mircea_popescu;there's not this convenient cleavage of school from life irl. 505892;1392505638;Jere_Jones;Catching up on the last hour of conversation is depressing. 505893;1392505651;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones 505894;1392505653;mircea_popescu;oops 505895;1392505660;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones_wife : please hide any nailguns ty. 505896;1392505667;Jere_Jones;Before that. lol 505897;1392505670;davout;pankkake: what about the insured deposits ? 505898;1392505680;davout;pankkake: which deposits ? :-) 505899;1392505682;mircea_popescu;davout yes yes, we know, you have it. 505900;1392505691;davout;mircea_popescu: no i actually don't 505901;1392505708;mircea_popescu;for eur ? i thought it was eu banking w/e 505902;1392505728;mircea_popescu;"we promise you can get your money back unless germany needs it to bail out russian oligarchs in fucktardistan 505903;1392505736;mircea_popescu;" 505904;1392505738;davout;it seemed obvious to me when i first talked about it, 505905;1392505791;davout;which was a mistake, i double checked with the "fonds de garantie des dépôts" and they only cover accounts called "comptes de dépôt", and not "comptes de paiement" 505906;1392505806;mircea_popescu;o you sneak. 505907;1392505812;mircea_popescu;what are you, french ? 505908;1392505842;davout;anyway, the main point is that the money is on accounts in the name of the holders, in a financial insitution, not on our corporate accounts, and therefore legally not ours 505909;1392505857;mircea_popescu;nevertheless do go back and add addendums wherever feasible 505910;1392505869;mircea_popescu;otherwise that's grossly misrepresentative. 505911;1392505879;pankkake;the original question was "insurance from theft" though 505912;1392505882;pankkake;so that answers it 505913;1392505895;mircea_popescu;yeah but novel stuff thus unearthed 505914;1392505999;davout;pankkake: oic the question was about btc deposits 505915;1392506018;pankkake;I'm not sure 505916;1392506047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00087607 = 24.7052 BTC [+] {5} 505917;1392506055;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: You orderbook looks weird 505918;1392506056;mircea_popescu;here on -assets we specialise in animated conversations with multiple participants all of which have no certain idea wtf the topic is, what's being said, what it means and so on. 505919;1392506061;mircea_popescu;works well enough so far. 505920;1392506071;davout;haha 505921;1392506100;mircea_popescu;the english language being employed is more an artefact of the observer than a reality of the conversation. 505922;1392506112;davout;i doubt any exchange found an insurance company to cover the btc deposits 505923;1392506159;Duffer1;have any tried? 505924;1392506179;benkay;heh i'd be surprised 505925;1392506187;davout;if any did try ? 505926;1392506194;mircea_popescu;davout sure they had. 505927;1392506198;davout;we did 505928;1392506212;mircea_popescu;CPA. 505929;1392506221;benkay;nah if any'd obtained the necessary ins 505930;1392506232;Duffer1;davout who'd you approach? 505931;1392506232;mircea_popescu;;;google usagi CPA 505932;1392506233;gribble;Usagi: falsifying NAVs, manipulating share prices and misleading ...: ; Typhoon USAGI (ODETTE) Update Number 007 | Weather Philippines: ; Typhoon USAGI (ODETTE) Update Number 008 | Weather Philippines: hopefully ...after about 10 months. We could insure folks coins but not like 100% // good luck with that 506081;1392507552;deanclkclk;why Apocalyptic ? 506082;1392507572;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 377 @ 0.05626923 = 21.2135 BTC [-] {12} 506083;1392507575;ThickAsThieves;lol 506084;1392507608;deanclkclk;I wasn't asking question mircea_popescu I was pitching an idea 506085;1392507617;deanclkclk;go fuck yourself 506086;1392507622;mircea_popescu;derp. 506087;1392507627;pankkake;:( 506088;1392507642;ThickAsThieves;;;roulette 506089;1392507642;gribble;*click* 506090;1392507663;ThickAsThieves;;;bcstats 506091;1392507666;gribble;Current Blocks: 286068 | Current Difficulty: 2.6214044530646152E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 286271 | Next Difficulty In: 203 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 2 hours, 55 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3092710570.63 | Estimated Percent Change: 17.97915 506092;1392507697;deanclkclk;from my first sentence..you've been making me out to be a mentally retarded idiot 506093;1392507708;Duffer1;don't take that personally hehe 506094;1392507712;deanclkclk;rather than complain..offer suggestions 506095;1392507714;Duffer1;have you read Trilema? 506096;1392507716;mircea_popescu;i wasn't making you out. 506097;1392507733;deanclkclk;I don't know everything...that's why I asked for answers...suggestions 506098;1392507733;mircea_popescu;and you are neither at liberty to judge me nor are you at liberty to make recommendation. 506099;1392507749;mircea_popescu;more importantly, you aren't at liberty to ignore the recommendations i make. re-read the log, they're there. 506100;1392507765;mircea_popescu;it's not a matter of you "not knowing everything", implying we are somehow equal. 506101;1392507780;mircea_popescu;it is a matter of you not knowing anything, not even sufficiently something to allow you to understand how little you know. 506102;1392507803;deanclkclk;man 506103;1392507844;mircea_popescu;ayup. 506104;1392507865;mircea_popescu;so now that we understand ourselves, get in the wot, stfu and read the log for a while, then we can talk again. 506105;1392507935;ThickAsThieves;deanclkclk log.bitcoin-assets.com, http://assass.headfucking.net/ 506106;1392507938;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06950005 = 0.139 BTC [-] 506107;1392507983;ThickAsThieves;and http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Main_Page 506108;1392508000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00087689 = 2.6307 BTC [+] 506109;1392508002;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, pankkake you may wanna take out the OTQuMjMuMjE1LjE3NA== part. 506110;1392508009;mircea_popescu;it's there so i can ip-ban spammy rss stealers. 506111;1392508090;benkay;deanclkclk: you agreed to bugger off 'till you delivered something i can audit. now do so. 506112;1392508092;davout;Duffer1: looks interesting, i see nothing obviously sketchy for the service 506113;1392508108;pankkake;I don't know if I can apply filters to this thing 506114;1392508138;davout;ThickAsThieves: vaultofsatoshi has like a 11-people team, that sounds big for an exchange that does 400 weekly volume 506115;1392508152;mircea_popescu;davout who are the 11 people ? 506116;1392508157;Duffer1;davout ya it's just insured cold storage, but maybe lloyds would be approachable about insuring an exchange 506117;1392508159;ThickAsThieves;i know nothing of it 506118;1392508168;ThickAsThieves;just recalled the name for some reason 506119;1392508173;davout;the insured guys are elliptic.co btw 506120;1392508182;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [-] 506121;1392508191;davout;mircea_popescu: https://www.vaultofsatoshi.com/about 506122;1392508204;mircea_popescu;davout so there's 11 stock pics or w/e. 506123;1392508206;benkay;and maybe in retrospect it's not so much a shorting as entering into an option to spend some time if the guy leaves us alone, delivery of which he'll take when/if he delivers 506124;1392508209;deanclkclk;I'll try another irc. You guys are too playful to be taken seriously 506125;1392508219;benkay;deanclkclk does that mean our deal's off? 506126;1392508244;ThickAsThieves;your loss 506127;1392508255;benkay;play is an important part of thinking 506128;1392508256;Duffer1;i doubt very much you'll receive competent advice elsewhere 506129;1392508257;ThickAsThieves;go check out bitcoin-dev or something i guess 506130;1392508264;mircea_popescu;benkay Yeah, Im getting rid of all my furniture. All of it. And Im going to build these different levels, with steps, and itll all be carpeted with a lot of pillows. You know, like ancient Egypt. 506131;1392508272;davout;mircea_popescu: exactly, which looks sketchy 506132;1392508306;davout;deanclkclk: you want advice to create your exchange? 506133;1392508332;benkay;deanclkclk: you might listen to davout he does what you're dreaming of doing. 506134;1392508339;deanclkclk;I don't want on how to create an exchange. I'm just pitching my idea to get a feel of what people think 506135;1392508341;mircea_popescu;davout is too playful to be taken srsly. 506136;1392508360;deanclkclk;want a how to* 506137;1392508375;davout;deanclkclk: so you want a howto about how to create an exchange? 506138;1392508387;deanclkclk;lol 506139;1392508389;deanclkclk;oh boy 506140;1392508405;mircea_popescu;i could use a how to on how to. 506141;1392508415;ThickAsThieves;OpenEx is opensource, use that 506142;1392508417;benkay;yeah your howotos suck, mircea_popescu 506143;1392508421;Apocalyptic;(don't) 506144;1392508434;mircea_popescu;WHAT! 506145;1392508438;benkay;it's like you write 'em yourself or something ;) 506146;1392508443;mircea_popescu;i am so misunderstood. nobody understands me 506147;1392508450;mircea_popescu;im going to shoot myself with the stapler gun nao 506148;1392508452;benkay;well you write for yourself, is it any surprise? 506149;1392508471;davout;deanclkclk: oh sorry, I misread, what's your idea? 506150;1392508471;benkay;jurov had to pay me to write a manual for your "exchange" 506151;1392508510;Duffer1;ha i told stringpuller there was money there like months ago 506152;1392508514;deanclkclk;davout: basically from a trade..people get more from what they ask for 506153;1392508519;ThickAsThieves;what i hate about mpex is, whenever i overbid, i have btc left unspent, fukn noobs 506154;1392508546;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i was in talks with some people to recharge your phone after bids if there's like stuff left over 506155;1392508564;mircea_popescu;however i think they od'd or something because i haven't heard from them in a while 506156;1392508575;deanclkclk;do you folks trade on sites or mobile apps? 506157;1392508608;pankkake;idea: when you overpay for shares, it is distributer to the seller; we would call this tipping 506158;1392508610;ThickAsThieves;mostly via SMS 506159;1392508618;mircea_popescu;whoa a TIPPING EXCHANGE 506160;1392508628;Apocalyptic; davout: basically from a trade..people get more from what they ask for // so what about it ? 506161;1392508630;mircea_popescu;it could be all coded in doge-os 506162;1392508657;BingoBoingo;doge.js 506163;1392508658;pankkake;well, http://lolcode.org/ 506164;1392508669;deanclkclk;dajavu but, anyways 506165;1392508672;pankkake;omg "now with doge" 506166;1392508674;Apocalyptic;BTC China already has these rebates, where the fee for the liquidity taker goes to the one who put up the bid/ask 506167;1392508683;mircea_popescu;i wonder if praeconium has an evil sock meconium 506168;1392508692;davout;deanclkclk: that's your idea for an exchange? 506169;1392508719;deanclkclk;I bid a $100 for 1 BTC and I find a ask for $95. 506170;1392508725;benkay;doge-vu 506171;1392508735;davout;i spend all the 100$ and get more btc 506172;1392508739;davout;yeah i got that 506173;1392508747;deanclkclk;and use the $5 dollars to find an additional ask 506174;1392508762;BingoBoingo;"I'm fucking sick of hearing people say use your brian, etc." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=467059.msg5167848#msg5167848 506175;1392508787;davout;deanclkclk: this is not a very interesting idea, and certainly not an idea worth building an exchange around 506176;1392508799;deanclkclk;so basically you could have a case where for the original $100 for 1 BTC..I get 1.02 btc 506177;1392508818;deanclkclk;@ davout ^ 506178;1392508840;davout;yeah, i got that the first time 506179;1392508844;davout;:-) 506180;1392508848;deanclkclk;ok 506181;1392508858;mircea_popescu;O RLY? YA RLY NO WAI OIC 506182;1392508859;deanclkclk;why isn't it interesting? 506183;1392508861;mircea_popescu;ok this is pretty good :D 506184;1392508890;Bugpowder;mircea_popescu: when is the MPOEbot coming back? And when will pending deposits be credited? 506185;1392508914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00087433 = 4.2405 BTC [-] 506186;1392508917;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder the bot just as soon as it manages to talk to bitcoincharts 506187;1392508920;deanclkclk;@ davout ^ 506188;1392508928;mircea_popescu;and deposits just as soon as lemme see 506189;1392508935;davout;deanclkclk: because you reinvented market orders, except you have the currency amount you're spending locked, not the currency you're buying 506190;1392508943;Bugpowder;been waiting for a test deposit for 36 hours.... 506191;1392508963;davout;bitstamp already does it 506192;1392509017;davout;deanclkclk: so no, it's not a very interesting idea, not a bad way to let users place orders but still 506193;1392509018;deanclkclk;you are a trader davout ? 506194;1392509047;mircea_popescu;incredible how thick this guy is lmao 506195;1392509051;davout;goodbye deanclkclk, i'm going to play 506196;1392509061;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo pretty lulzy. 506197;1392509064;deanclkclk;davout: it benefits the seller and buyer. I was talking from mostly from the buyer 506198;1392509065;deanclkclk;ok 506199;1392509099;Bugpowder;I like the cryptsy system of, whatever bid you place that is over market, you get filled at asks at that exact price. 506200;1392509124;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Of course. Who really wants to use their acquaintance Brian in that way at all. Everyone knows their Brian will just flag everything as a scam and tell them to STFU n00b. 506201;1392509139;mircea_popescu;clearly evil brian. 506202;1392509149;Duffer1;cryptsy system of trading, make trade, it executes a few hours later 506203;1392509159;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder why ? 506204;1392509180;deanclkclk;Duffer1: u mean everything gets execute late? 506205;1392509195;Bugpowder;you know... place asks and bids way off market at round numbers, get favorably filled at random intervals in the future. 506206;1392509200;Duffer1;it was a joke, cryptsy is a joke ^.^ 506207;1392509231;mircea_popescu;sounds artistic. 506208;1392509237;mircea_popescu;like you know, trade as a happening. 506209;1392509288;BingoBoingo;I'm wondering when other ATC people are coming over to Apocalyptic's exchange. 506210;1392509333;BingoBoingo;Or... are we all waiting for Openex withdrawals 506211;1392509345;benkay;openex scam 506212;1392509350;benkay;use your brian BingoBoingo 506213;1392509354;Apocalyptic;first ATC deposits will confirm in a couple of hours given the network rate, no much action to be expected until then 506214;1392509356;Bugpowder;heheh 506215;1392509357;Apocalyptic;benkay, indeed 506216;1392509403;BingoBoingo;benkay: They have processed withdrawals before, it just usually takes 12 hours or so. Now, their order matching... totally scam. 506217;1392509411;mircea_popescu;yeah even on the internets ppl need a little time 506218;1392509447;Apocalyptic;it seems deanclkclk took his idea over to -otc now 506219;1392509524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00087723 = 24.2115 BTC [+] {4} 506220;1392509590;Duffer1;i wonder how many times he's been offered super cheap ltc 506221;1392509616;mircea_popescu;prolly a much better environment for him anwyay. 506222;1392509641;davout;deanclkclk: what people are trying to tell you is that your idea is not retarded, but that it does not constitute an original value proposition 506223;1392509670;benkay;you guys you guys you guys 506224;1392509672;benkay;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ_JOBCLF-I 506225;1392509679;benkay;THAT IS EVERYONE IN BITCOIN 506226;1392509689;benkay;especially deanclkclk 506227;1392509698;benkay;plus also the animations are pretty sweet 506228;1392509834;mircea_popescu;omfg the derpage. 506229;1392509921;benkay;did i just get mircea_popescu to watch a video? 506230;1392509952;mircea_popescu;indirectly but yet. 506231;1392509954;mircea_popescu;yes* 506232;1392509964;benkay;indirectly? 506233;1392509965;mircea_popescu;someone must be punished for this. 506234;1392509992;benkay;it's his fault. 506235;1392510073;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00087806 = 8.3416 BTC [+] {2} 506236;1392510222;BingoBoingo;Looks like Openex just processed a batch of withdrawls. Once these things confirm it will be time to shoot them over to x-bt 506237;1392510445;Apocalyptic;.d 506238;1392510470;Apocalyptic;damn you ozbot 506239;1392510477;BingoBoingo;;;diff 506240;1392510478;gribble;2.6214044530646152E9 506241;1392510494;asciilifeform;;;gpg eauth asciilifeform 506242;1392510495;gribble;Request successful for user asciilifeform, hostmask asciilifeform!~asciilife@pool-96-241-145-71.washdc.fios.verizon.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/B98228A001ABFFC7 506243;1392510542;asciilifeform;;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:1b013f0cf4604b0b39eee440b7280e1eb97c6aab5d299814ffc31393 506244;1392510542;gribble;You are now authenticated for user asciilifeform with key B98228A001ABFFC7 506245;1392510585;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in a world where every "idea" is in fact chewed and spit and chewed so many times by so many generations by now all that's left is the spit itself << not quite. 506246;1392510601;asciilifeform;fundamental ideas are still possible. 506247;1392510609;mircea_popescu;like for instance. 506248;1392510617;asciilifeform;i have so little faith in the meta-nsa that i'll drop one here. 506249;1392510627;mircea_popescu;can be historical 506250;1392510632;mircea_popescu;doesn't have to be curren 506251;1392510633;mircea_popescu;t 506252;1392510660;asciilifeform;2 yrs. ago i figured out how to flex a fairly ordinary multi-conductor cable in an arbitrary spot, at an arbitrary angle, purely electrically. 506253;1392510684;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05500028 = 1.1 BTC [-] {3} 506254;1392510708;asciilifeform;this alone should be enough detail for any 'alert reader' to replicate... 506255;1392510760;mircea_popescu;and this is fundamental ? 506256;1392510788;asciilifeform;depends on your definition of fundamental. robotics without motors, gears, shafts, lubrication... 506257;1392510807;asciilifeform;if 'fundamental' means 'discover new field of mathematics', then clearly not. 506258;1392510831;mircea_popescu;well given what you were replying to i took fundamental to mean "which was never afore thought" 506259;1392510850;asciilifeform;i did try to find some prior art, of some kind. found none. 506260;1392510869;asciilifeform;i post this turd here, to challenge the 1,000 idlers listening to us, to do so. 506261;1392510879;asciilifeform;i'd dearly love for it to be found. so i'm not stuck building the damn thing. 506262;1392510931;asciilifeform;hint: waveguide allowed to deform. 506263;1392510974;asciilifeform;as far as i could tell, the last fellow who pondered a related question was mr. t, when he coughed up the ac motor. 506264;1392510977;mircea_popescu;seems to me about half the 12-yo-boy demographic cartoons out there use this concept. 506265;1392510990;mircea_popescu;understand, my approach was cultural not technical. 506266;1392510990;asciilifeform;? 506267;1392511013;asciilifeform;every animated robot i know of shows robotic arms with joints 506268;1392511067;asciilifeform;rather than walking coax. 506269;1392511082;mircea_popescu;i just googled "robot cartoon" 506270;1392511092;asciilifeform;(well, triax.) 506271;1392511093;mircea_popescu;the 7 images at the top include 0 articulated arms 506272;1392511098;mircea_popescu;all are some sort of tube 506273;1392511218;asciilifeform;they still typically show at least vaguely jointed movement. 506274;1392511232;asciilifeform;though perhaps an aficionado of tentacle porn could cough up a counter-example. 506275;1392511282;mircea_popescu;now, obviously the fact that star-trek revolves around ipads does exactly nothing in a discussion of prior ipad art 506276;1392511291;mircea_popescu;but it was this rather than that angle i was pursuing. 506277;1392511352;asciilifeform;so, boolean algebra. fundamental? or, aristotle? 506278;1392511361;asciilifeform;(that is, or not, given the latter) 506279;1392511415;mircea_popescu;right. 506280;1392511422;asciilifeform;semiconductor? 506281;1392511431;mircea_popescu;the cellphone is a trivial greek trinket. they didn't know how to make it, but they did have them in their speech 506282;1392511438;mircea_popescu;semiconductor is fundamental perhaps. 506283;1392511444;asciilifeform;public key crypto? 506284;1392511460;mircea_popescu;certainly the strange behaviours of quantum that manifest at a macro level, from magnetism to histerezis, would perhaps count. 506285;1392511465;asciilifeform;i tend to think of 'fundamental' in the literal sense. that is, becomes a foundation for a recognizably novel class of things 506286;1392511473;mircea_popescu;pkc definitely not. 506287;1392511484;mircea_popescu;yeah but novel in what sense. 506288;1392511495;mircea_popescu;novel as in "never made before" or novel as in "never spoken of before" ? 506289;1392511508;asciilifeform;novel in the classic sense of transforming a 'mystery' into a mere 'problem'. 506290;1392511524;mircea_popescu;right. but still, people spoke of the mystery back when it was not yet a problem 506291;1392511585;mircea_popescu;would you say the people trying to disprove (or for that matter prove) ZFC are or are not included ? 506292;1392511598;asciilifeform;can only be said in retrospect. 506293;1392511598;mircea_popescu;does only the speech of whoever gets the result count ? 506294;1392511611;mircea_popescu;right. which is what invalidates (from a purely philosophical pov) the approach 506295;1392511620;Bugpowder;mircea_popescu: ty... Hoping to see MPOEbot make a triumphant return soon. 506296;1392511635;asciilifeform;true. the turd i threw in is not 'fundamental invention', unless it is 10 yrs. later. 506297;1392511679;asciilifeform;(and the stepper motor and ball screw go to the junkyard) 506298;1392511748;asciilifeform;(picture, say, street swept by long spool of wire with a broom on one end and a lunchbox-sized driver on the other.) 506299;1392511806;asciilifeform;every day i wake up and wonder how many other folks are sitting on crap like this 506300;1392511810;asciilifeform;because there's no place for it. 506301;1392511834;ThickAsThieves; mircea_popescu: ty... Hoping to see MPOEbot make a triumphant return soon. /// unlikely til Gox reopens wd's 506302;1392511842;mircea_popescu;why ? 506303;1392511861;ThickAsThieves;cuz i assume bot is off cuz risk 506304;1392511867;Bugpowder;as do i 506305;1392511878;mircea_popescu;no, srsly, it actually did not get prices. 506306;1392511882;Bugpowder;shorting puts right now would be sweet 506307;1392511884;mircea_popescu;last it quoted was sometime yest. 506308;1392511894;ThickAsThieves;where do you get prices? 506309;1392511907;Bugpowder;though shorting puts yesterday would have been sweeter. 506310;1392511921;ThickAsThieves;http://api.bitcoincharts.com/v1/weighted_prices.json 506311;1392511925;ThickAsThieves;works for me 506312;1392511927;mircea_popescu;http://mpex.co/faq.html#25 same place. 506313;1392511933;mircea_popescu;yes but it has to answer when the bot asks 506314;1392511948;Bugpowder;;;bc,24hprc 506315;1392511948;gribble;463.40 506316;1392511956;ThickAsThieves;ok 506317;1392511982;ThickAsThieves;bot asks like every 10min no? 506318;1392512012;mircea_popescu;i think there may be a cascading effect where if it misses one it asks too often and then it gets banned for an interval 506319;1392512016;mircea_popescu;but i was never able to troubleshoot it 506320;1392512097;mircea_popescu;how would it have been sweet yest anyway ? seem sthe price dropped. 506321;1392512098;asciilifeform;unrelated: neat find, from today's trip to library, for all crypto aficionados: 'Post-Quantum Cryptography.' Bernstein, Buchmann & Dahmen. (2009) 506322;1392512121;ThickAsThieves;i dont plan on buying any, i just think it's weird how this happens every "crash" 506323;1392512137;mircea_popescu;does it tho ? 506324;1392512153;asciilifeform;(anyone playing with mceliece and the like will find something delicious therein) 506325;1392512154;ThickAsThieves;at least 2 of the 3 ive seen 506326;1392512161;ThickAsThieves;i dont recall abnout the 1200 drop 506327;1392512173;mircea_popescu;yeah well in this process any data can be fit to any hypothesis. 506328;1392512193;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, you're into crypto ? 506329;1392512198;ThickAsThieves;mpex would certainly look better to be working than not 506330;1392512213;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: just so happens i'm into a number of things. 506331;1392512218;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves no particular requirement one can't just trade as is you know ? 506332;1392512247;ThickAsThieves;not sure what you are saying 506333;1392512275;Apocalyptic;I wrote some crypto challenges a couple of years ago, involving breaking hash functions and differential crypto, they might interest you 506334;1392512281;mircea_popescu;i am saying that mpex allows people to trade whether the bot quotes or doesn't quote, 506335;1392512294;ThickAsThieves;we're talking about the bot 506336;1392512300;mircea_popescu;and that the bot is a private offering which is in principle not required to offer anyone any convenience other than its backers. 506337;1392512311;mircea_popescu;so it can't possibly a) look good or bad b) make mpex anything. 506338;1392512320;benkay;people can't price options on their own, though mircea. that competence thing. 506339;1392512321;ThickAsThieves;to you maybe 506340;1392512352;mircea_popescu;well to logix 506341;1392512379;ThickAsThieves;why not fix it? 506342;1392512379;benkay;it's not making any money for mpex shareholders not trading! 506343;1392512406;ThickAsThieves;^ decent argument as well 506344;1392512408;mircea_popescu;cuz it's a fucking hassle to fiddle with its feed, it being hardened ;/ 506345;1392512429;benkay;ThickAsThieves that sounds like a call for a subscription market service. 506346;1392512435;ThickAsThieves;sound slike something karpeles would say 506347;1392512450;mircea_popescu;but yeah, quoting outages are temporary, people (who don't generally trade) like to bitch/find conspiraci explanations for otherwise random events. 506348;1392512459;mircea_popescu;which you know, how much effort can i expend chasing. 506349;1392512518;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves dude wtf are you talking about srsly. what is the connection there ? 506350;1392512530;asciilifeform;a hilarious find, from the same trip: http://imgur.com/6JhjQeY 506351;1392512547;ThickAsThieves;saying it's a hassle to fix a broken service? 506352;1392512574;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06099997 = 0.61 BTC [+] {2} 506353;1392512579;mircea_popescu;i think you misrepresent a convenience for a right. 506354;1392512583;asciilifeform;i was not able to locate the ditch filled with the non-functioning students. 506355;1392512588;asciilifeform;but i admit i did not look very hard. 506356;1392512602;benkay;all in their bedrooms 506357;1392512610;mircea_popescu;the bot doesn't have to quote any more than you do. where's your quote on options ? 506358;1392512610;benkay;ruminating on the future of los estados unidos 506359;1392512617;mircea_popescu;have you fixed this broken service ? 506360;1392512626;ThickAsThieves;no one has to do anything 506361;1392512634;ThickAsThieves;let's just all go home 506362;1392512634;benkay;also wtf terp asciilifeform? 506363;1392512648;asciilifeform;turtle is the symbol of the uni. for some reason. 506364;1392512666;mircea_popescu;no but srsly. 506365;1392512668;benkay;yeah but - 'terp'? 506366;1392512676;asciilifeform;terrapin turtle 506367;1392512681;ThickAsThieves;is there any logging of mpexbot uptime? 506368;1392512687;ThickAsThieves;optionsbot 506369;1392512691;asciilifeform;about palm-sized. 506370;1392512692;ThickAsThieves;not sure what you name it 506371;1392512695;mircea_popescu;not that i know, but i suppose it's becoming more useful. 506372;1392512695;Apocalyptic;benkay, a mix between turtle and derp 506373;1392512713;benkay;all terps are henceforth confined to their quarters 506374;1392512724;benkay;ritual canings will be administered until moral improves. 506375;1392512727;asciilifeform;there is a statue on the campus, car-sized, so many of the locals think it must be a gigantic sea-turtle. 506376;1392512729;ThickAsThieves;i guess no one cares but Bugpowder anyway 506377;1392512729;benkay;morale* 506378;1392512736;ThickAsThieves;i still think it's lame 506379;1392512742;benkay;i care where's my damn options bot profit 506380;1392512749;mircea_popescu;so make a watcher and do some research. 506381;1392512757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00087866 = 24.1632 BTC [+] {4} 506382;1392512772;benkay;i don't really much care in the grand scheme of things but its a point what needs making. 506383;1392512773;Bugpowder;I have a history of crushing MPOEbot. I think MP fears my awesome trading powers and has pulled the bot. 506384;1392512793;benkay;lol yeah he saw you fiddling with your key again and pulled the bot 506385;1392512796;ThickAsThieves;it did happen whilst you were sorting out your key! 506386;1392512802;Bugpowder;EXACTLY 506387;1392512805;mircea_popescu;clearly! 506388;1392512816;ThickAsThieves;observably! 506389;1392512817;Bugpowder;ALSO HE DELAYED DEPOSIT FLUSHING 506390;1392512826;Bugpowder;DOUBLEY SAFE 506391;1392512828;benkay;teh horreur 506392;1392512834;mircea_popescu;no that was because of satoshi malleability. 506393;1392512844;asciilifeform;the turtle statue traditionally gets 'offerings' during exam week. this year, more whiskey bottles and handmade bongs than ever before. 506394;1392512845;mircea_popescu;we had to check all satoshis for cubeness 506395;1392512847;mircea_popescu;by hand 506396;1392512850;mircea_popescu;one at a time 506397;1392512850;benkay;malleability options next? 506398;1392512863;Bugpowder;heh 506399;1392512868;Bugpowder;to manipulatable 506400;1392512879;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00296999 = 0.1574 BTC [+] 506401;1392512880;benkay;well yeah 506402;1392512978;davout;"we had to check all satoshis for cubeness" <<< win 506403;1392513035;Bugpowder;I imagine the feed will start working around the same time gox gets dropped from bitcoincharts, and the artificial price jump risk will have been eliminated 506404;1392513040;mircea_popescu;with all the bitching, 506405;1392513042;mircea_popescu;13924429xx ; 13924424xx ; 13924419xx ; 13924414xx ; 13924408xx ; 13924408xx ; 13924408xx ; 13924403xx ; 13924403xx ; 13923763xx ; 13923724xx ; 13923716xx 506406;1392513048;mircea_popescu;that's the past 12 times it quoted 506407;1392513059;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder srsly, mtgox is not even in the feed of bitcoincharts, since days ago. 506408;1392513067;mircea_popescu;it has exactly 0 impact in all this discussion. 506409;1392513071;ThickAsThieves;yes it is 506410;1392513075;mircea_popescu;mnope. 506411;1392513076;Bugpowder;it is 506412;1392513090;Bugpowder;how do they get $465 / BTC 506413;1392513094;Bugpowder;without it. 506414;1392513098;Bugpowder;IMPOSSIBURU 506415;1392513113;ThickAsThieves;you even noted yourself yesterday 506416;1392513117;ThickAsThieves;that it factors euro 506417;1392513123;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 439 @ 0.00296999 = 1.3038 BTC [+] {2} 506418;1392513124;ThickAsThieves;goxprice 506419;1392513136;mircea_popescu;o wow look at that. 506420;1392513141;mircea_popescu;well this is definite bs. 506421;1392513176;mircea_popescu;but but but wtf, soimehow my bot sees 500ish avgs 506422;1392513184;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00296999 = 0.2257 BTC [+] 506423;1392513189;ThickAsThieves;i thgought it couldnt see? 506424;1392513201;mircea_popescu;537 last 506425;1392513214;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i just gave you above a list of last times it quoted! 506426;1392513223;pankkake;Updated http://assass.headfucking.net/ : better CSS(!), strip weird Trilema feed stuff, links to foaf/opml so you can import the list into your own reader. and this is genius: http://intertwingly.net/code/venus/docs/filters.html 506427;1392513240;ThickAsThieves;how do i read that list? 506428;1392513245;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 392 @ 0.00296998 = 1.1642 BTC [-] {2} 506429;1392513255;mircea_popescu;unixtime 506430;1392513270;Bugpowder;I just want to short 50 DITM puts. A pittance. 506431;1392513274;Bugpowder;come back MPOEbot 506432;1392513277;Bugpowder;come back 506433;1392513284;Bugpowder;I miss u 506434;1392513302;mircea_popescu;dude did bitcoincharts split the feeds or something wtf is going on here. 506435;1392513306;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00297 = 0.1188 BTC [+] 506436;1392513319;Bugpowder;http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/currencies/ 506437;1392513320;ozbot;Bitcoin Charts / Markets 506438;1392513329;Bugpowder;what feed are you looking at? 506439;1392513337;davout;mircea_popescu: if they removed gox from the index it'll probably still be taking into account data from before the removal 506440;1392513375;Bugpowder;24hr bor 506441;1392513377;Bugpowder;bro 506442;1392513409;davout;Bugpowder: if it's the 24avg and it's been more than 24h then yes I guess sthg is off 506443;1392513430;ThickAsThieves;i dont think they removed gox 506444;1392513435;ThickAsThieves;and i doubt they will 506445;1392513444;davout;this ^ 506446;1392513473;Bugpowder;I don't see why they should. 506447;1392513488;Bugpowder;They aren't making financial decisions based on their quote 506448;1392513497;mircea_popescu;sooooo 506449;1392513514;Bugpowder;though a nefarious agent could potentially take an options position and bribe them to remove it for assured profit. 506450;1392513522;mircea_popescu;turns out bugpowder is exactly right. bot actually isn't quoting because feeds disagree not because it couldn't get them. 506451;1392513539;mircea_popescu;i was wrong o.o 506452;1392513551;benkay;!b2 506453;1392513567;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1624396/plain/) 506454;1392513567;ThickAsThieves;!b 3 506455;1392513567;benkay;foar history. 506456;1392513578;Bugpowder;lol 506457;1392513593;mircea_popescu;well fuck me am i supposed to know all this code these people write all the time everywhere omfgbbq 506458;1392513602;kakobrekla;i take bribes not to publish that. 506459;1392513606;Apocalyptic;heh 506460;1392513608;ThickAsThieves;lol 506461;1392513619;ThickAsThieves;we do it cuz we love you mp 506462;1392513624;Bugpowder;You should get the line before it too. 506463;1392513636;Bugpowder;A prediction of the future 506464;1392513652;Bugpowder;Feb 27, 2014. 506465;1392513656;benkay;mircea_popescu's having software trubbles 506466;1392513663;benkay;lol prole problems 506467;1392513666;davout;2015 -> "intern accidentally deletes mpex" 506468;1392513667;benkay;proleblems 506469;1392513683;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1624399/plain/) 506470;1392513683;benkay;!b 1 506471;1392513688;mircea_popescu;benkay the sad part of this of course being that this is actually according to spec i wrote myself. 506472;1392513707;benkay;wow the spec didn't account for all edge cases 506473;1392513708;mircea_popescu;at a time long ago when nobody had heard of such a case or imagined it likely. 506474;1392513713;benkay;color my ass surprised 506475;1392513714;mircea_popescu;no, that's the problem : it did. 506476;1392513723;mircea_popescu;it accounted for cases i duly forgot about and then happened 506477;1392513733;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06700005 = 0.335 BTC [+] 506478;1392513734;benkay;oh well then 506479;1392513741;benkay;mp wrote a spec that performs 506480;1392513749;benkay;color my ass surprised? 506481;1392513776;benkay;just joshin ya boss 506482;1392513810;mircea_popescu;anyway, mpoebot isn't quoting because the derivation among exchanges is too large, and likely won't until this is resolved somehow. 506483;1392513830;kakobrekla;why was the last quote 13923716xx then 506484;1392513855;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06700005 = 0.335 BTC [+] 506485;1392513862;Bugpowder;That seems more plausible 506486;1392513910;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla because then somehow (?!) the bitcoincharts avg came out as 537 506487;1392513916;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 564 @ 0.00023993 = 0.1353 BTC [-] {4} 506488;1392513919;mircea_popescu;which i still have no idea how 506489;1392513922;Bugpowder;mircea_popescu taps his keyboard of +3 plausibility. 506490;1392513923;kakobrekla;arite. 506491;1392513956;mircea_popescu;anyway ppls thanks for bringing it up lol. 506492;1392513976;mircea_popescu;by being in -assets i get the chance to learn how mpoebot etc actually work. 506493;1392513996;mircea_popescu;of course...this opnes up a fucking conundrum from hell, 506494;1392514018;mircea_popescu;because i am currently carrying a shitton of puts, which i would contractually be allowed to execute at the 430 bs bitcoincharts price 506495;1392514066;benkay;;;ticker --market btcavg 506496;1392514067;gribble;BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 652.46, Best ask: 654.28, Bid-ask spread: 1.82000, Last trade: 654.25, 24 hour volume: 39430.17, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 647.65 506497;1392514114;mircea_popescu;hmm i wonder where that's from. 506498;1392514123;mircea_popescu;nanotube where does gribble get ;;ticker --market btcavg data from ? 506499;1392514145;TomServo;I'd guess https://bitcoinaverage.com/#USD 506500;1392514146;Bugpowder;EXERCISE THAT SHIT 506501;1392514160;TomServo;Not sure why that's not the default tbh 506502;1392514166;nanotube;mircea_popescu: bitcoinaverage.com 506503;1392514171;mircea_popescu;a ty. 506504;1392514191;mircea_popescu;TomServo who runs it ? do you know ? 506505;1392514196;Bugpowder;It's 23,000BTC worth 506506;1392514201;Bugpowder;EXERCISE 506507;1392514206;Bugpowder;MAKE DAT MONEY 506508;1392514214;TomServo;mircea_popescu: I don't, sorry. 506509;1392514220;Bugpowder;12,000BTC PROFIT 506510;1392514220;nanotube;mircea_popescu: bitnumus 506511;1392514227;mircea_popescu;aha. 506512;1392514355;nanotube;mircea_popescu: bitcoincharts average got messed up one day, because anx.hk accidentally pushed dogecoin trade data in place of bitcoin - thus producing high volume at really low price, and screwing things up. 506513;1392514376;mircea_popescu;nanotube was that day like feb 14th ? 506514;1392514383;nanotube;i think charts has removed anx.hk for the moment 506515;1392514389;nanotube;erhm... let me see 506516;1392514411;benkay;#bitcoin-assets 506517;1392514416;nanotube;nope, that event was on feb 10 506518;1392514420;benkay;testing in production since 2011 506519;1392514443;assbot;Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1624416/plain/) 506520;1392514443;benkay;!b 7 506521;1392514483;nanotube;heh 506522;1392514627;BingoBoingo;Looks like x-bt had its first ATC trade 506523;1392514687;pankkake;there's a usuability issue, when you put an order, you get into the page in POST mode; refreshing it would likely submit the order a second time 506524;1392514709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00087806 = 8.8684 BTC [-] 506525;1392514754;Apocalyptic;it wouldn't pankkake 506526;1392514780;mircea_popescu;what's the url again ? 506527;1392514781;Apocalyptic;csrf one-time token on every form 506528;1392514790;pankkake;oh, right 506529;1392514794;pankkake;https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc 506530;1392514794;BingoBoingo;https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc 506531;1392514795;ozbot;X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin 506532;1392514795;ozbot;X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin 506533;1392514796;mircea_popescu;ty 506534;1392514799;Apocalyptic;unless you submit it before the script has a chance to set the new token ofc 506535;1392514806;mircea_popescu;um... 506536;1392514817;pankkake;I'm trying a herbijujular strategy! 506537;1392514818;mircea_popescu;you don't disable tokens after use ? 506538;1392514827;cads;mircea_popescu: I'm looking for introductory materials in quantitative finance with focus on hedge funds and derivatives valuation. Any input in this direction? 506539;1392514845;mircea_popescu;cads it'd deeply depend on what your background is. 506540;1392514848;mircea_popescu;pure math no finance ? 506541;1392514868;benkay;cads: joshi, derivatives. 506542;1392514894;mircea_popescu;i r guess ms joshi can't hurt 506543;1392514904;cads;mircea_popescu: some economics and game theory 506544;1392514924;mircea_popescu;"on becoming a quant", see if you hate it 506545;1392514934;mircea_popescu;iirc it was free 506546;1392514944;cads;math background is category theory, algebra, graphs and computation/logic 506547;1392514945;benkay;http://www.markjoshi.com/downloads/advice.pdf 506548;1392514956;benkay;that'd be the piece in question, cads. 506549;1392514976;cads;cool, I'll give joshi a spin 506550;1392515005;benkay;also jc hull 506551;1392515011;benkay;options derivatives and stuff 506552;1392515013;benkay;req'd reading. 506553;1392515018;mircea_popescu;bear in mind that quants are idiots tho. always important to keep this clearly in your head 506554;1392515031;mircea_popescu;lest you end up believing your imagination has some bearing on reality. 506555;1392515075;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 582 @ 0.00083559 = 0.4863 BTC [+] 506556;1392515076;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06799997 = 0.408 BTC [+] 506557;1392515136;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06799997 = 0.34 BTC [+] 506558;1392515163;mircea_popescu;on which topic n taleb's stuff can't be sufficiently recommended i guess. 506559;1392515167;cads;mircea_popescu: Haha you mean quantitative models don't magically reorganize reality into your will? 506560;1392515174;mircea_popescu;exactly 506561;1392515176;mircea_popescu;and what's worse : 506562;1392515188;BingoBoingo;The herbi lesson where you place orders based on how you want the book to look rather than on how you could buy and sell at palatable prices. 506563;1392515188;mircea_popescu;this remains true no matter how breathtakingly beautiful, elegant or symetrical they be. 506564;1392515189;benkay;no mircea_popescu you see i have this model and it shows that if things were different things would be different 506565;1392515247;mircea_popescu;i have a different model. 506566;1392515279;mircea_popescu;the volatility in this chan is fantasitc, not two hours ago we were discussing the new and improved ordering whereby you get more phonenumber with your order, 506567;1392515286;mircea_popescu;now we're knee deep in kaballah, 506568;1392515289;mircea_popescu;it never ends with you people. 506569;1392515364;benkay;quantitative finance -> kabbalah 506570;1392515371;benkay;i'll buy that one ;) 506571;1392515432;mircea_popescu;benkay what do you think numeric/quantitative methods are ? 506572;1392515472;mircea_popescu;re asciilifeform's coin of dry spittle. 506573;1392515496;cads;I've been butting heads with the stochastic calculus and I think I'm about ready to start reading Probability with Martingales - random variables, random processes, and statistics are starting to feel a lot more natural. 506574;1392515500;BingoBoingo;The stuff that made Madonna dump A-Rod because his Batting average and WAR stopped being good numbers. 506575;1392515516;cads;Surprisingly so.... I'd hate for it to go to my head, though :) 506576;1392515539;mircea_popescu;cads you seen the predictonator ? 506577;1392515650;cads;Sounds like something a fund manager would name his secret pet model 506578;1392515714;benkay;mircea_popescu: stochastic simulations, generally? you'd know more than me... 506579;1392515743;benkay;i was cracking wise about the technical folks' tendency to resort to blind incantations. 506580;1392515753;mircea_popescu;http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html 506581;1392515753;ozbot;Man vs. Machine. 506582;1392515754;mircea_popescu;tjhat thing 506583;1392515783;mircea_popescu;benkay but dja know what the kabbalist ppl mostly do ? 506584;1392515834;cads;the thing I find very useful about the calculus is that, forget finance, say you're dealing with an arrival process in a factory production cell or in an autonomous agent - now /that/ is a situation where your models basically become the magic word of god. 506585;1392515856;mircea_popescu;this is true. 506586;1392515861;benkay;mircea_popescu: what? 506587;1392515909;benkay;cads: you can find greater job satisfaction at a lower rate doing stochastic inventory and supply chain stuff. that said, you have to live in factories or warehouses and interact with line staff from time to time. 506588;1392515918;mircea_popescu;benkay you familiar with how if you read only the nth letter in an arbitrary string you may find a message in there ? 506589;1392515930;benkay;mircea_popescu: yup 506590;1392515934;mircea_popescu;that, then. 506591;1392515940;cads;benkay: I currently /am/ a factory worker :) 506592;1392515944;mircea_popescu;and various variations and generalisations 506593;1392515956;benkay;stochastic extraction of "sensible" strings from longer ones? 506594;1392515959;mircea_popescu;which all amount to basically "let's find the parametric function of the future" or meaning or w/e 506595;1392515990;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 785 @ 0.00024797 = 0.1947 BTC [+] 506596;1392516040;benkay;cads: well then there ain't nowhere to go but up! 506597;1392516173;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55999949 = 1.12 BTC [+] {2} 506598;1392516205;cads;So knowing the nth letter of say an english message will definitely give a probability distribution for things like "what word does this letter belong to" or "is this the middle or end of a word." 506599;1392516234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00087779 = 21.4181 BTC [-] {2} 506600;1392516241;mircea_popescu;cads except that's the correct way to use numeric methods 506601;1392516246;mircea_popescu;(ie, as to the message processed) 506602;1392516259;mircea_popescu;the kabbalistic approach is to use them in the manner global warmists use their "data" 506603;1392516270;mircea_popescu;ie, to predict or enact the word of gawd. 506604;1392516295;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02579995 = 0.1032 BTC [-] 506605;1392516363;mircea_popescu;(because you see, everything is in the torah, including the birthdate of your future wife you;ve not yet met, as well as the name of her secret lover) 506606;1392516377;benkay;this is true of π as well. 506607;1392516388;mircea_popescu;it is also true of the assets bash. 506608;1392516455;benkay;oh, our corpus isn't quite *that* large or *that* stochastic now... 506609;1392516465;BingoBoingo;And the trillions of hashes per second which aren't good enough to find blocks. 506610;1392516466;mircea_popescu;nevertheless it includes by reference enough material. 506611;1392516482;cads;This is why I refuse to learn finance first. I'd rather take whatever math intuition handicap than be caught using theorems whose conditions are not satisfied. 506612;1392516504;mircea_popescu;cads you'll never be popular with the fiat-finance crowds, 506613;1392516510;mircea_popescu;but at least you can always hang out here. 506614;1392516623;Bugpowder;You could probably do well in the just-dice groupie scene too 506615;1392516628;kakobrekla;lol price on gox just went 370->530 506616;1392516661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6034 @ 0.0008728 = 5.2665 BTC [-] {2} 506617;1392516686;Bugpowder;god damn it 506618;1392516696;cads;oh yeah, I'd heard of a sizeable market crash. 506619;1392516701;Bugpowder;time for the bot to start quoting again 506620;1392516716;benkay;;;ticker --market mtgox 506621;1392516716;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 440.0, Best ask: 442.97, Bid-ask spread: 2.97000, Last trade: 450.0, 24 hour volume: 53582.53478578, 24 hour low: 310.0, 24 hour high: 540.0, 24 hour vwap: 368.92604 506622;1392516725;Bugpowder;Roger Ver's deposit cleared 506623;1392516749;benkay;the "ship to forum sockpuppets" asic ploy. 506624;1392516750;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: von neumann widget, lol. can't wait for some joker to start 'predicting market' 506625;1392516753;pankkake;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1y116j/mtgox_bitcoin_withdrawals_working_again/ successful trolling I guess 506626;1392516753;ozbot;MtGox bitcoin withdrawals working again : Bitcoin 506627;1392516761;mircea_popescu;start ?! 506628;1392516761;cads;bitcoinity.org is now tracking bitstamp rather than gox? 506629;1392516771;mircea_popescu;cads pretty much everyone is. 506630;1392516779;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 506631;1392516780;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 666.0, Best ask: 669.0, Bid-ask spread: 3.00000, Last trade: 666.0, 24 hour volume: 20510.92582860, 24 hour low: 628.88, 24 hour high: 673.01, 24 hour vwap: 650.017359511 506632;1392516824;cads;Do we have arbitrage between gox and bitstamp? 506633;1392516832;mircea_popescu;gox is kinda dead 506634;1392516836;cads;gotcha 506635;1392516910;cads;'Transaction Malleability'!? 506636;1392516910;asciilifeform;benkay: the "ship to forum sockpuppets" asic ploy << there is much to be learned from carnival / stage magic tradecraft re: scams 506637;1392516919;mircea_popescu;carnies. definitely. 506638;1392516928;asciilifeform;the 'plant in the audience' recipe, etc. 506639;1392516935;mircea_popescu;cads http://trilema.com/2014/mtgox-and-ancient-bitcoin-history-the-straight-dope/ 506640;1392516966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15141 @ 0.00087184 = 13.2005 BTC [-] 506641;1392517008;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-12-2013#416417 check me out :D 506642;1392517011;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 506643;1392517020;mircea_popescu;also : 506644;1392517021;mircea_popescu;Kickstarter hacked, user data stolen 506645;1392517027;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 139 @ 0.0008356 = 0.1161 BTC [+] 506646;1392517033;mircea_popescu;http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57618976-83/kickstarter-hacked-user-data-stolen/ 506647;1392517033;ozbot;Kickstarter hacked, user data stolen | Security & Privacy - CNET News 506648;1392517037;Bugpowder;old 506649;1392517055;mircea_popescu;lol how old is it ? 506650;1392517063;Bugpowder;at least 4 hours 506651;1392517071;mircea_popescu;derp. 506652;1392517088;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.00083588 = 0.2508 BTC [+] 506653;1392517089;cads;Since when the fuck does bitcoin have fucking transaction fucking MALLEABILITY?! 506654;1392517093;Jere_Jones;This url should be spouted here more often: http://assass.headfucking.net/ 'Tis fucking awesome. 506655;1392517100;Bugpowder;cads: at least 4 hours 506656;1392517114;cads;Wow! 506657;1392517121;copumpkin;cads: it's been known since 2011 506658;1392517123;mircea_popescu;cads like 2009 dood 506659;1392517129;copumpkin;it isn't really all that much of a problem 506660;1392517136;copumpkin;if you're aware of it, which it turns out nobody was 506661;1392517147;mircea_popescu;who the hell wasn't srsly. 506662;1392517149;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.000836 = 0.2508 BTC [+] 506663;1392517170;copumpkin;all the major exchanges and the "official" bitcoin-qt client :P 506664;1392517171;mircea_popescu;i think it was a topic of discussion at least monthly. 506665;1392517176;copumpkin;well, they all failed at it in some way or another 506666;1392517188;mircea_popescu;in this sense security qualifies. 506667;1392517205;copumpkin;anyway, it wasn't a threat of loss of bitcoins 506668;1392517210;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 261 @ 0.0008375 = 0.2186 BTC [+] 506669;1392517211;copumpkin;unless you layer additional stupidity on top of it 506670;1392517212;copumpkin;which mtgox apparently did 506671;1392517217;mircea_popescu;or so they say. 506672;1392517225;benkay;copumpkin: do you write in public anywhere? 506673;1392517235;copumpkin;I tweet occasionally 506674;1392517239;copumpkin;why? 506675;1392517263;mircea_popescu;because he likes you and would like to get to know you better. 506676;1392517269;mircea_popescu;in a more intimate manner. 506677;1392517271;cads;secsooally 506678;1392517272;mircea_popescu;no homo. 506679;1392517317;mircea_popescu;benkay you know he's the asshole who stole my bentley and gave it to a bunch of kids from like poor countries in india or some shit, and in exchange they hacked a bunch of iphones for him 506680;1392517323;mircea_popescu;or nokias or whatever it was. 506681;1392517332;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1000 @ 0.0055 = 5.5 BTC 506682;1392517343;cads;"While transactions are signed, the signature does not currently cover all the data in a transaction that is hashed to create the transaction hash. " 506683;1392517350;cads;Wut. 506684;1392517360;mircea_popescu;cause meta. 506685;1392517382;BingoBoingo;Doesn't he also keep a bunch of tomatoes prisoner or am I confused. 506686;1392517392;mircea_popescu;no that's copineaple. 506687;1392517393;mircea_popescu;no relation. 506688;1392517400;copumpkin;:) 506689;1392517402;benkay;bwaaaaat 506690;1392517403;cads;mircea_popescu: I'm going to investigate the excuse don't worry :D 506691;1392517428;benkay;anyways, this malleability thing as mentioned above is not really a flaw, cads. 506692;1392517437;mircea_popescu;it's a feature! 506693;1392517446;benkay;the flaw is in people using the txid as a bookkeeping device which satoshi explicitly warned against iirc 506694;1392517448;pankkake;apparently there are easy improvements http://blog.oleganza.com/ 506695;1392517452;mircea_popescu;like tits, they get cold and flop arouind and your nipples hurt and everything, 506696;1392517452;copumpkin;it's not ideal and the devs are trying to adjust it 506697;1392517456;mircea_popescu;but they're defo not a flaw. 506698;1392517469;mircea_popescu;benkay yeah he did. 506699;1392517478;mircea_popescu;course he did because block reorgs iirc. 506700;1392517485;benkay;prezactly. 506701;1392517512;copumpkin;so, on a more important note 506702;1392517514;copumpkin;cloud atlas. 506703;1392517516;copumpkin;worth watching or not? 506704;1392517520;copumpkin;I like the soundtrack 506705;1392517528;cads;who composes? 506706;1392517531;mircea_popescu;watch it abd blog about the experience, i never saw it. 506707;1392517536;BingoBoingo;Anyways, the problem in Gox's case is they kept leading zeros in their signatures. Everyone else was like STFU that's dumb. Eventually some nodes started correcting this mistake. 506708;1392517567;mircea_popescu;^ that'd be acurate. 506709;1392517579;mircea_popescu;mtgox was at least 5 times told to stop with the idiocy. 506710;1392517597;BingoBoingo;Cutting those zeros changed the txid though. 506711;1392517612;cads;copumpkin: You've got me piqued on the soundtrack 506712;1392517618;mircea_popescu;but apparently the php lolcat interpreter adds leading 0's to O RLY?/OIC blocks or something 506713;1392517621;copumpkin;cads: it's pretty good 506714;1392517626;cads;if a soundtrack is good I usually watch the movie 506715;1392517667;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well so far it is at least two mistakes on Gox's part leading zeros and txid as database primary key. 506716;1392517705;mircea_popescu;i dun buy it. 506717;1392517728;BingoBoingo;Well, then there is the third mistake, scam. 506718;1392517757;asciilifeform;re: tx issue: this is reminiscent of microshit's EXE signing. where you can append whatever to the signed turd and it still passes checksum. 506719;1392517759;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 391 @ 0.00043898 = 0.1716 BTC [+] {2} 506720;1392517793;BingoBoingo;Mark's face is shaped in such a way, I imagine, he imagines he can just hug away the scam. 506721;1392517820;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 599 @ 0.00043899 = 0.263 BTC [+] {3} 506722;1392517887;cads;copumpkin: you're right, this is good 506723;1392517924;copumpkin;I'm a big fan of the tune in sonmi-451 meets chang, and the various times it recurs throughout the rest of the soundtrack 506724;1392517937;copumpkin;it picks up about halfway through 506725;1392517993;Bugpowder;Mark : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stay_Puft_Marshmallow_Man 506726;1392518002;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the diference here being of course that you're not expected to run the whole turd 506727;1392518004;mircea_popescu;just the signed part. 506728;1392518027;Bugpowder;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stay-puft-marshmallow-man.jpg 506729;1392518058;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: right. you arrange to have the turd jumped to after sig check. 506730;1392518221;mircea_popescu;well yeah in ashell environment. not quite that much flexibility in bitcoin scrupting 506731;1392518243;mircea_popescu;one thing i can't for the fucking life of me understand is why on earth has nobody made an actual competing implementation. 506732;1392518247;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06799997 = 0.136 BTC [+] 506733;1392518249;mircea_popescu;there are > 450964509860954 copy/paste alt coins 506734;1392518263;mircea_popescu;yet nobody went "ok, the ideas are quite clear, let's do this then" 506735;1392518264;asciilifeform;copy/paste vs. actual thinking. 506736;1392518274;mircea_popescu;there are 5k universities proposing they have cs departments, which is a fraud 506737;1392518287;asciilifeform;as described by herr mold. 506738;1392518288;mircea_popescu;as in a sane world no uni with a cs department could have done anything else in 2013 as a term paper 506739;1392518293;Bugpowder;man, gox back down to where it started... what a derp 506740;1392518295;mircea_popescu;than "make a bitcoin implementation" 506741;1392518313;asciilifeform;http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/08/whats-wrong-with-cs-research.html 506742;1392518313;ozbot;Unqualified Reservations: What's wrong with CS research 506743;1392518322;mircea_popescu;forget research even you know ? 506744;1392518331;benkay;mircea_popescu: it's a goddamn shame that everyone's leaving it to the self-taught hacks 506745;1392518338;mircea_popescu;this'd have been anyone's term project if i were teaching. 506746;1392518344;mircea_popescu;benkay ikr? 506747;1392518362;benkay;mircea_popescu: cs departments are for research. mechanical and ee departments are apparently where you learn to actually weld shit together. 506748;1392518364;cads;shame and opportunity 506749;1392518367;Bugpowder;How to blow 1000BTC in under 5 minutes. 506750;1392518371;mircea_popescu;and i seriously do not understand what a rector must be thinking to not close down their cs department after this 506751;1392518374;cads;how fitting 506752;1392518375;copumpkin;not sure I'd say it was blown, Bugpowder 506753;1392518385;mircea_popescu;"what, you have not implemented bitcoin as a term project ? you're defunded. 100%" 506754;1392518392;benkay;yup. 506755;1392518401;asciilifeform;can't speak for other unis, the cs dept. i studied in was a vacuum cleaner for slurping up DOD moneys 506756;1392518412;mircea_popescu;fucking bs. 506757;1392518420;asciilifeform;that is its primary function, with the students as an afterthought (read: source of cheap labour) 506758;1392518454;benkay;most us unis i've been to are similarly oriented around hoovering up research + dod monies asciilifeform 506759;1392518465;mircea_popescu;we're fortunate to live in a world where nobody has any clear measuring stick to be able to measure exactly how tall the pile of shameful excrement they find themselves under is. 506760;1392518477;mircea_popescu;so they can go around pretending like they're things they could never be. 506761;1392518483;asciilifeform;perhaps vaccum cleaner is the wrong picture. more of an idiot with mouth open, catching raindrops. 506762;1392518494;mircea_popescu;"humanities" "professors" that have no idea what a college is and can not speak latin, 506763;1392518506;mircea_popescu;cs professors who failed to have the kids implement bitcoin in 2013 506764;1392518520;mircea_popescu;all the unspeakable depth of pitecantropic refuse 506765;1392518524;asciilifeform;give it another decade... we implemented 'sed'. 506766;1392518543;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform maybe i'm blinded by zeal but seems to me sed is actually harder. 506767;1392518554;asciilifeform;'yesterday's nobel prize is tomorrow's homework' 506768;1392518564;asciilifeform;sed is arguably harder. 506769;1392518574;cads;I'd love to see a haskell or agda implementation 506770;1392518575;mircea_popescu;bitcoin once explained by satoshi is not actually hard in any sense 506771;1392518576;asciilifeform;and is 'politically' safe. 506772;1392518578;mircea_popescu;merely gotta do the work. 506773;1392518593;mircea_popescu;which is what cs depts are for. 506774;1392518621;asciilifeform;implementing btc would be a little like having the mech eng. students build a working howitzer. 506775;1392518632;mircea_popescu;so ? 506776;1392518634;benkay;hah 506777;1392518635;mircea_popescu;i definitely would. 506778;1392518642;asciilifeform;arguably imperative, but we live in bizarroworld 506779;1392518642;benkay;more like a potato gun 506780;1392518671;mircea_popescu;da fuck mech engineer you are can't build a hovitzer 506781;1392518690;benkay;u want shells too sir? 506782;1392518691;jayk;hmmm 506783;1392518691;asciilifeform;obligatory link to the MIT lamp video! 506784;1392518704;mircea_popescu;benkay you don't have to make the shells actually do anything you know ? 506785;1392518714;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIhk9eKOLzQ 506786;1392518714;ozbot;MIT graduates cannot power a light bulb with a battery. - YouTube 506787;1392518719;mircea_popescu;a howitzer can fire blanks on the football field just fine 506788;1392518734;asciilifeform;correct. 506789;1392518736;benkay;sure but then you're not really putting the barrel through its paces are you? 506790;1392518746;mircea_popescu;or for that matter make it fire solid metal ordnance. 506791;1392518749;asciilifeform;(i once discovered that my uni used to have a rifle range. gone.) 506792;1392518754;mircea_popescu;at a wall or stack of sand bags or w/e 506793;1392518759;cads;mircea_popescu: sell some Coq nerds on the importance of implementing a formally verified blockchain algorithm and further specialization to a btc implementation :) 506794;1392518759;MisterE_;asciilifeform: is right, education is a business before all esle 506795;1392518774;mircea_popescu;cads know any ? 506796;1392518777;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Most Land Grants had them back in the day. 506797;1392518796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00087607 = 12.1774 BTC [+] {2} 506798;1392518806;asciilifeform;it's hilarious. they have people 'formally verify' DRM crud. 506799;1392518819;asciilifeform;glass bead game. 506800;1392518835;mircea_popescu;apparently pitecantropic is not an english word. odd. 506801;1392518840;cads;mircea_popescu: just acquaintances on irc. 506802;1392518842;mircea_popescu;anyway, reference to the "java man" 506803;1392518849;mircea_popescu;cads so send them over. 506804;1392518858;asciilifeform;try 'pithecantropic' ? 506805;1392518872;mircea_popescu;a ok 506806;1392518882;mircea_popescu;pithecanthropus 506807;1392518894;cads;oh, key, copumpkin is also a #coq regular 506808;1392518909;mircea_popescu;o ya definitely likes the c0q 506809;1392518923;copumpkin;cads: we've spoken in all sorts of different places :P 506810;1392518956;asciilifeform;re: c0qlovers and proof-of-whatever: a particularly egregious case of glass bead game. 506811;1392518965;asciilifeform;(as discussed in a turd of mine, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390 and elsewhere) 506812;1392518983;benkay;glass bead game? 506813;1392518984;asciilifeform;attempts at 'transitioning from the informal to the formal by formal means'. 506814;1392519020;cads;asciilifeform: it's always been one great misgiving of mine whenever I read papers on large formally verified software projects 506815;1392519024;asciilifeform;(see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390&cpage=1#comment-8475) 506816;1392519091;cads;for example UC's Quark verified browser kernel or the NICTA's l4.verified project. 506817;1392519101;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 797 @ 0.00024797 = 0.1976 BTC [+] 506818;1392519103;benkay;cads: what kind of factory worker reads about formal verification of large software projects?! 506819;1392519254;asciilifeform;the whole 'automated proofs' business is fundamentally turdalicious 506820;1392519256;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you mean as a hesse reference ? 506821;1392519260;asciilifeform;yes 506822;1392519279;cads;I appreciate that we can create a kernel of security properties and then prove it about our access control model, and then build the system on that. 506823;1392519284;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 703 @ 0.00024797 = 0.1743 BTC [+] 506824;1392519288;asciilifeform;it is an attempt to hide head in the sand, escape from the fact that the only way to guarantee expected function is: actual understanding 506825;1392519290;asciilifeform;by actual brains 506826;1392519297;benkay;you mean brians 506827;1392519310;asciilifeform;and this requires a 'bonfire of the' complexity. 506828;1392519320;cads;And I appreciate that this makes it /easier/ to avoid bugs - the only place a bug can now live is in the security properties you prove about your access model. 506829;1392519335;cads;And that's the part that hits my stomach with dread. 506830;1392519361;mircea_popescu;right 506831;1392519369;mircea_popescu;you can now have no bugs except that sort of bugs you'll never find 506832;1392519393;cads;Since /those/ bugs are embedded in philosophy 506833;1392519415;mircea_popescu;right 506834;1392519417;asciilifeform;or something as mundane as the hardware. 506835;1392519457;cads;But I'm optimistic since we can study the theory of what should constitute a correct and effective security property 506836;1392519495;asciilifeform;the entire field, giving its history and monetary incentives, is a poisonous offering. 506837;1392519528;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02579995 = 0.258 BTC [-] 506838;1392519559;cads;It does feel like you're concentrating the bugs into a very rare and amazingly lucrative bug class 506839;1392519559;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 506840;1392519589;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 506841;1392519666;asciilifeform;we aren't seeing proof in the mathematical sense. only (apologies to bush the lesser) - 'proofiness.' 506842;1392519703;asciilifeform;the idea that bugs are being banished anywhere by this obscurantist crap is nonsense. 506843;1392519769;asciilifeform;example, for the thick: 506844;1392519772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00087836 = 10.2768 BTC [+] 506845;1392519802;asciilifeform;'ECC' memory is largely absent from consumer turdware. i wait for the box running your 'proofy' crap to be hit by cosmic ray. 506846;1392519813;cads;hmm, the verified software I've read about uses security properties which are proven via a formal proof assistant in a standard logic. 506847;1392519819;asciilifeform;suddenly not so verified any more. 506848;1392519869;asciilifeform;go ahead, prove anything useful about an x86 box where an arbitrary bit might flip. 506849;1392519894;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.06899996 = 1.104 BTC [+] {3} 506850;1392519928;asciilifeform;(if cosmic rays are insufficient, someone might be so kind as to pump some ionizing strange through your server. or merely turn up the thermostat in the cage. etc.) 506851;1392519938;cads;fair enough, then even the most correct formally proven software should expect some faults due to underlying hardware. 506852;1392519941;cads;hm 506853;1392519955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06899998 = 0.414 BTC [+] {2} 506854;1392519979;mircea_popescu;derp. 506855;1392520012;asciilifeform;of course, no need for such shenanigans if the box is already built of 'cooperative' iron. 506856;1392520016;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06999998 = 0.7 BTC [+] {2} 506857;1392520085;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform your dream of software that's unauditable by the user is getting closer and closer huh 506858;1392520110;asciilifeform;eh, it might as well be already 506859;1392520131;cads;asciilifeform: that brings us to study methods of invalidating the security properties by changing aspects of the substrate system that the security properties gloss over or assume by fiat. 506860;1392520139;cads;neat 506861;1392520140;asciilifeform;garden variety winblows box could busy a thousand auditors for a thousand years. 506862;1392520260;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06999999 = 0.35 BTC [+] 506863;1392520331;cads;We can always dream about strong encryption for state machine dynamics. 506864;1392520364;cads;Which could give us some padding between the software agent and untrusted underlying hardware. 506865;1392520367;asciilifeform;cads: exists (provably not in the general case, but for many particular cases, sure) 506866;1392520382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14385 @ 0.00087519 = 12.5896 BTC [-] 506867;1392520404;cads;right, currently it's amazingly inefficient and not general, and I also believe there are unfortunate theoretical limits to the power of any such approach 506868;1392520404;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 506869;1392520408;asciilifeform;problem is (well, depending on how you look), the consumer is to be on the 'wrong end of the barrel' for this one. 506870;1392520423;cads;how so? 506871;1392520443;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 68 @ 0.07 = 4.76 BTC [+] 506872;1392520444;asciilifeform;cads: look who is working on this, and why. or do i have to draw a picture. 506873;1392520482;cads;you may have to excuse my ignorance of the commercial or political side of this work 506874;1392520504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00297 = 0.1069 BTC [+] 506875;1392520580;cads;I came up with the idea of encrypted computing when I was thinking how to design an autonomous AI agent that cannot ever have its state vector interrogated or partially simulated. 506876;1392520607;asciilifeform;turdware vendors are mightily annoyed that the occasional consumer, 'smarter than average rabbit', pries open and exposes their turdwork. 506877;1392520613;mircea_popescu; neat << good point actually. 506878;1392520626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00087843 = 3.4259 BTC [+] {2} 506879;1392520651;cads;So that if an adversary has captured the state vector they can only continue to simulate it faithfully 506880;1392520664;mircea_popescu;now that'd be interesting. 506881;1392520667;mircea_popescu;i'd like a mpex like thatr. 506882;1392520670;asciilifeform;cads: i reinvented the concept, as probably just about every maths student has, when first reading about Paillier's Addition and thinking 'what if you glue this to OISC - 'jump if zero' - machine. 506883;1392520683;cads;wow, nice 506884;1392520708;asciilifeform;no heroic feat here. 506885;1392520743;cads;right, I guess to jump from homomorphic encryption to obfuscated computation is a natural one. 506886;1392520778;asciilifeform;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paillier_cryptosystem 506887;1392520779;ozbot;Paillier cryptosystem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 506888;1392520800;asciilifeform;and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_instruction_set_computer 506889;1392521034;asciilifeform;one neglected aspect of homomorphic turdcraft (let's assume that it were possible and practical in some general-'enough' case! for the sake of argument) is: 506890;1392521050;asciilifeform;unless you are carrying out the compilation with paper and pencil, 506891;1392521070;asciilifeform;you are forever doomed to trust the mechanism whereby you generated the cryptoturd. 506892;1392521072;cads;okay, so in our Paillier OISC we'd use subtract and branch of != 0, or subtract and branch if <= 0. 506893;1392521076;asciilifeform;because the result can never be verified. 506894;1392521083;asciilifeform;(verified to do what you intended it to.) 506895;1392521084;cads;Only with pallier operations 506896;1392521114;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.005498 = 0.2749 BTC [+] 506897;1392521184;cads;wait how do we implement the order relation on the ciphertext version of the data 506898;1392521206;asciilifeform;cads: not so simple. you can't have the machine actually branch in any obvious sense 506899;1392521216;asciilifeform;or an observer could deduce logic 506900;1392521232;cads;right that would surely give the game away for most things 506901;1392521289;asciilifeform;incidentally 506902;1392521298;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06799997 = 0.136 BTC [-] 506903;1392521305;asciilifeform;wiki used to have a page on 'joseki' (not to be confused with the Go players' term) 506904;1392521309;Mats_cd03;Complicated technical gibbering, mundane, cryptodongs, etc 506905;1392521318;asciilifeform;nsa cryptosystem, circa 1980s. implied to function on this principle. 506906;1392521330;asciilifeform;page was zapped some time ago. 506907;1392521342;asciilifeform;(it was used in military firmware) 506908;1392521407;cads;http://cryptography.wikia.com/wiki/JOSEKI_%28cipher%29 506909;1392521408;ozbot;JOSEKI (cipher) - Crypto Wiki 506910;1392521428;asciilifeform;something like that 506911;1392521429;asciilifeform;if i recall 506912;1392521463;asciilifeform;maybe it was just my imagination. 506913;1392521602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00087767 = 18.7821 BTC [-] 506914;1392521619;benkay;http://brooklyn-dentists.com/wp-content/bitcoin-code/emacs-bitcoin.php 506915;1392521624;Mats_cd03;Big words followed by math things 506916;1392521652;asciilifeform;shannonizer? 506917;1392521660;asciilifeform;somebody ought to stoke one with this channel log. 506918;1392521663;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19148 @ 0.00087854 = 16.8223 BTC [+] 506919;1392521680;benkay;amen 506920;1392521724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19099 @ 0.0008787 = 16.7823 BTC [+] {2} 506921;1392521767;asciilifeform;and now for something completely different: 506922;1392521769;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/02/american-exceptionalism.html 506923;1392521769;ozbot;ClubOrlov: “American” exceptionalism 506924;1392521790;Mats_cd03;i belieb in american exceptionalism 506925;1392521817;benkay;Mats_cd03: are you on cocaine? 506926;1392521836;Mats_cd03;im high on life nigga 506927;1392521840;benkay;hm 506928;1392521841;mircea_popescu;lmao! so very different 506929;1392521848;benkay;well i bleed american capitalism 506930;1392521849;mircea_popescu;;;google trilema exceptionalismul personal 506931;1392521850;gribble;No matches found. 506932;1392521851;benkay;the old kind 506933;1392521856;mircea_popescu;eh gtfo google. 506934;1392521866;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2009/exceptionalismul-personal/ 506935;1392521867;ozbot;Exceptionalismul personal pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 506936;1392521876;mircea_popescu;i do not make the mistake of positing it's romanian! 506937;1392521880;mircea_popescu;it's just stupiditarian. 506938;1392521888;Mats_cd03;american capitalism smells like fast food grease and dick cheese 506939;1392521905;Mats_cd03;not recommended for date night 506940;1392521966;benkay;these days certainly. 506941;1392521972;benkay;once upon a time it smelled like blood and money. 506942;1392521992;asciilifeform;if you're exceptionally lucky, it smells like the hangar where howard hughes farted in '72. 506943;1392522034;asciilifeform;but if you want a better smell, you'll need a time machine. 506944;1392522125;benkay;yeah. people were cool once. 506945;1392522163;Mats_cd03;i watched the aviator so yeah i can pretend like i know what youre talking about 506946;1392522174;TestingUnoDosTre;lies. when was that? 506947;1392522266;benkay;1806-1859. 506948;1392522578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68300 @ 0.00087502 = 59.7639 BTC [-] {4} 506949;1392522639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16252 @ 0.00087481 = 14.2174 BTC [-] 506950;1392522694;cads;hmm 506951;1392522761;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.002973 = 0.446 BTC [+] 506952;1392522763;mircea_popescu;people were cool from circa 1600 to about ww1. 506953;1392522784;mircea_popescu;then orwell's bugmen took over. 506954;1392522821;benkay;orwell's responsible for modern socialism? 506955;1392522826;asciilifeform;mr. o blamed the telegraph 506956;1392522828;mircea_popescu;no, but he described the type. 506957;1392522831;asciilifeform;(bugmen like central admin.) 506958;1392522851;cads;so joseki is a two part encryption decryption function E, D such that in some sense "the encryption algorithm is not the same as, and cannot be deduced from, the decryption algorithm." 506959;1392522852;mircea_popescu;makes this observation how the only sort of people who seem to trive in his dystopia are bug-like 506960;1392522890;mircea_popescu;short stubbly crab-like in movements etc. 506961;1392522903;benkay;;;calc 59.7639 + 14.2174 506962;1392522903;gribble;73.9813 506963;1392522908;cads;You can decrypt the existing operating system. 506964;1392522915;cads;To do that you read the bootstrap key. 506965;1392522933;cads;But once doing that, say you want to alter the code. You can't do that. 506966;1392522946;cads;For you cannot re-encrypt the code. 506967;1392522950;asciilifeform;implication is that this achieved something more than one can get by merely hashing & signing code. 506968;1392523009;cads;there's a million ways to subvert either 506969;1392523033;cads;just burn some of the traces on the bootstrap chip and suddenly it loads your unencrypted code just fine 506970;1392523049;asciilifeform;"On the far side of the room, sitting at a table alone, a small, curiously beetle-like man was drinking a cup of coffee, his little eyes darting suspicious glances from side to side. How easy it was, thought Winston, if you did not look about you, to believe that the physical type set up by the Party as an ideal-tall muscular youths and deep-bosomed maidens, blond-haired, vital, sunburnt, carefree - existed and 506971;1392523049;asciilifeform;even predominated. Actually, so far as he could judge, the majority of people in Airstrip One were small, dark, and ill-favoured. It was curious how that beetle-like type proliferated in the Ministries: little dumpy men, growing stout very early in life, with short legs, swift scuttling movements, and fat inscrutable faces with very small eyes. It was the type that seemed to flourish best under the dominion of 506972;1392523049;asciilifeform;the Party." 506973;1392523057;asciilifeform;('1984') 506974;1392523057;mircea_popescu;ty. 506975;1392523060;cads;... assuming you have a scanning tunneling electron microscope lying around. 506976;1392523086;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> implication is that this achieved something more than one can get by merely hashing & signing code. << fwiw i don't believe it does or could. 506977;1392523128;asciilifeform;cads: J. was devised for some unknown, godforsaken 1980s silicon. perhaps it sat the decryptor between the memory bus and cpu proper 506978;1392523162;Jere_Jones;How does an exchange that implements stop losses prevent a large order from crashing the market? If a large order comes in and wipes out the orderbook past serveral stop losses, those sells get executed after the large order right? They don't get interwoven with the large order? Interwoven seems harder to do and/or incorrect and/or unethical. That means that a stop loss can't actually 506979;1392523163;Jere_Jones;stop a loss if the market is relatively shallow. Am I misunderstanding something? 506980;1392523195;mircea_popescu;stop losses are usually offered as a best-effort thing, not as a guarantee 506981;1392523202;mircea_popescu;even in serious markets. 506982;1392523211;benkay;is there a ranking of purely crypto exchanges by vol? 506983;1392523243;Jere_Jones;And they do get executed after the order that dropped the price? Not interwoven? 506984;1392523254;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing as "interwoven" 506985;1392523260;mircea_popescu;that's why blocks are blocks. 506986;1392523267;Jere_Jones;Didn't think so. Thanks. 506987;1392523281;mircea_popescu;course, god knows what btc webmasters do. 506988;1392523303;mircea_popescu;but if you "interwoven" on nyse the sec will put your head on a pike on columbus ave. 506989;1392523304;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: angels/pinhead, etc. one could easily picture something clever (block cipher allowing direct execution of crypted instructions, without an intermediate buffer for mass decrypt) or something foolish. 506990;1392523334;Jere_Jones;That sounds less than pleasant. 506991;1392523342;asciilifeform;we'll know when an american Mitrohin or Rezun lifts the specs. 506992;1392523344;cads;asciilifeform: in that case couldn't we say the same of hashing? Although I admit. Putting the decryptor somewhere in the main flow of the system has panache, and I wouldn't be surprised if a similar approach hashing is a lot less natural. 506993;1392523385;benkay;;;calc 74*600 506994;1392523386;gribble;44400 506995;1392523401;asciilifeform;cads: idea probably was, you'd like to block-cipher the blob, but don't want to send a symmetric key (however contained) into the field. 506996;1392523434;cads;right 506997;1392523446;asciilifeform;so you want something opposite to 'rsa' 506998;1392523467;asciilifeform;(where 'anyone enciphers, only one reads') 506999;1392523508;asciilifeform;exercise for alert reader! 507000;1392523518;cads;;) 507001;1392523519;asciilifeform;deduce a working 'joseki'-like cryptosystem. 507002;1392523527;asciilifeform;(undergrad level problem.) 507003;1392523539;benkay;dang asciilifeform you're a taskmaster 507004;1392523553;asciilifeform;not like this is hard or anything. 507005;1392523565;benkay;well hey some of us are unversed. you have depth in it. 507006;1392523589;cads;asciilifeform: I'm confused as to the sense in which the encryption algorithm cannot be derived from the encryption algorithm 507007;1392523599;asciilifeform;decryption? 507008;1392523604;cads;righ 507009;1392523624;cads;is this to say the encryption _key_, can not be derived from the decryption key? 507010;1392523626;asciilifeform;not so hard. 507011;1392523674;asciilifeform;you have turds of a certain number-theoretical variety, that turn into plaintext when subjected to function F. F(turd) = plain. but you don't know F'(plain) = turd. 507012;1392523692;cads;typically the decryption key allows us to derive the encryption key via number theoretic properties 507013;1392523726;asciilifeform;cads: with some 'hardness assumption' in the way of practically accomplishing this, yes. 507014;1392523735;asciilifeform;but one could conceive of F' being the key itself 507015;1392523737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34563 @ 0.0008694 = 30.0491 BTC [-] {2} 507016;1392523764;asciilifeform;bureaucrats probably came in their pants, they hate the chore of key distribution, etc 507017;1392523809;cads;oh hey 507018;1392523820;cads;anyone wanna see women cumming while reading books? 507019;1392523858;cads;like, actual passages of cool literature like clockwork orange, sitting fully dressed at a table, while something undeniable is going on /under/ the table 507020;1392523876;asciilifeform;old hat. 507021;1392523905;cads;ah, saw it already? 507022;1392523909;cads;http://hystericalliterature.com/stoya/ 507023;1392523925;cads;I thought it was really cute 507024;1392523928;cads;I liked the essays too 507025;1392523991;cads;I felt a bit too vouyeristic while watching to watch all of them, but it was enjoyable 507026;1392524205;mircea_popescu;sooo, anyone know a native chinese speaker ? 507027;1392524215;asciilifeform;sure. 507028;1392524217;asciilifeform;why 507029;1392524225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29113 @ 0.00086896 = 25.298 BTC [-] {2} 507030;1392524241;mircea_popescu;because we have no resident chinese expert. 507031;1392524242;mircea_popescu;who ? 507032;1392524247;asciilifeform;colleague 507033;1392524251;mircea_popescu;so get him to come over! 507034;1392524279;asciilifeform;i'll poke him when i visit him on tuesday. 507035;1392524343;mircea_popescu;coolness. 507036;1392524374;asciilifeform;benkay: under no circumstances should i be confused with an actual expert on crypto 507037;1392524388;asciilifeform;but the practical application of the known building blocks is quite trivial. 507038;1392524429;asciilifeform;(somewhat less trivial if you want actual security, rather than a passing exam score, however) 507039;1392524530;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.19376446 = 2.9065 BTC [+] 507040;1392524565;cads;anyways - asciilifeform I understand that. Ie, say we have two functions F and G such that G(F(x)) = x and F(x) is in some sense independent of x. Then (F, G) is a basic kind of cryptosystem, where F is the encryption function and G is the decryption function. For us not to be able to derive F from G, G must be infeasible to invert. I believe F can be encryption with a public key (which in this case the designer will keep public), 507041;1392524565;cads;and G is decryption with the corresponding private key (which is included on the chip). It's a bit of an inversion of control of the intention of public key systems but it works for our purpose. 507042;1392524601;cads;The only detail I am not sure is about the private -> public derivability of the keys. 507043;1392524654;cads;I know bitcoin's scheme allows us to derive a public key from the private one, and that this is actually not typical. 507044;1392524714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00087169 = 4.1841 BTC [+] 507045;1392524769;cads;asciilifeform: you say that we want the 'opposite' of rsa (public decrypt, private encrypt), but... this is just the same as giving the public the private key and keeping the public one secret. 507046;1392524805;benkay;thanks for that cads. babe and i just watched stoya's. a+ 507047;1392524818;cads;wasn't it /amazing/?! 507048;1392524818;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 507049;1392524824;benkay;of course the woman's response is "i hate the essay!" 507050;1392524829;benkay;wtf not the point 507051;1392524834;benkay;maybe the point 507052;1392524854;benkay;everything's part of the point i suppose 507053;1392524863;cads;I liked stoya's own account 507054;1392524889;asciilifeform;cads: nope. 507055;1392524899;asciilifeform;having private P,Q you can P*Q and get public. 507056;1392524930;asciilifeform;what kind of exercise would this be if the answer involved only this. 507057;1392524960;mircea_popescu;benkay stoya, the whore ?! 507058;1392524975;benkay;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_ZL8HXbHQo 507059;1392524976;ozbot;This Empty Love - InnerPartySystem - YouTube 507060;1392524982;mircea_popescu;aok 507061;1392524985;cads;mircea_popescu: you must watch this: http://hystericalliterature.com/stoya/ 507062;1392525007;cads;"Hysterical Literature is a video art series by NYC-based photographer and filmmaker Clayton Cubitt. It explores feminism, mind/body dualism, distraction portraiture, and the contrast between culture and sexuality. (It's also just really fun to watch.) " 507063;1392525030;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9fgmrL08p1qdleaio1_500.gif 507064;1392525032;mircea_popescu;the other stoya. 507065;1392525057;cads;I'm questioning the feminist merit if only because I still enjoyed the work with a very male gaze :D 507066;1392525072;benkay;maybe the same stoya? 507067;1392525079;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1191 @ 0.002973 = 3.5408 BTC [+] 507068;1392525090;cads;no, absolutely the same stoya 507069;1392525122;benkay;mircea_popescu: you're missing out on all sorts of context not at least sampling videos 507070;1392525137;mircea_popescu;i'll live 507071;1392525164;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbw3j2tj2f1rqgfmbo1_500.gif 507072;1392525228;cads;mircea_popescu: the idea is that an unpaid woman sits at a table and opens up a famous literary work she chose, begins to read a key passage, starts having and orgasm, continues trying to read, climaxes, and then closes the book and says "I'm ____ and this has been moby dick" 507073;1392525280;mircea_popescu;i'd guess about 35% of adult females can actually orgasm in the situation described. 507074;1392525306;mircea_popescu;but! that said orgasm distraction is certanly a fun game. 507075;1392525313;cads;Unseen under the table the photographer's lovely assistant is working away with the apparently supernaturally effect hitachi vibrator. 507076;1392525322;benkay;!t h rent 507077;1392525323;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (1164 shares, 6.40200000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (12577 shares, 69.17350000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (32202 shares, 177.11100000 BTC) 507078;1392525330;mircea_popescu;even so. 507079;1392525337;cads;right 507080;1392525356;cads;it takes dedication to do that 507081;1392525381;cads;The first volunteer is stoya the porn star 507082;1392525382;benkay;btw that mpex trade, like 74 btc? 507083;1392525390;benkay;just about a third of the rentalstarter ipo. 507084;1392525399;cads;we know she knows how to cum 507085;1392525407;asciilifeform;they make remote-controlled instruments for this kind of work. 507086;1392525410;mircea_popescu;she fakes it lots of times you know 507087;1392525413;cads;but the other volunteers are women that work in the arts 507088;1392525416;asciilifeform;wireless. 507089;1392525428;cads;one of the women is a museum curator 507090;1392525483;asciilifeform;long gone are the days when a bottle of bees was the state of the art. 507091;1392525488;cads;and in their essays it's clear they feel they are helping make sexuality a less dirty, less manipulated thing 507092;1392525488;mircea_popescu;i wonder if giving these chicks a book and asking them to read is a legit pick-up now. 507093;1392525496;benkay;bahaha 507094;1392525498;benkay;oh you 507095;1392525526;mircea_popescu;"hello" 507096;1392525527;mircea_popescu;"hi ?" 507097;1392525541;mircea_popescu;"i saw you on the internet. so here's le diable et le bon dieu, read for me." 507098;1392525580;cads;ah, the other thing 507099;1392525625;cads;despite being arguably non-pornographic (hosted, as it was, on youtube), the 9 videos in the series got 20 million views 507100;1392525653;mircea_popescu;that matters. 507101;1392525685;cads;mixed reviews from the critics alternately called it an awesome work of feminism and art, or skeptically denounced it as 'porn, not art'. 507102;1392525689;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06941006 = 0.1388 BTC [-] 507103;1392525696;asciilifeform;russian sf author / madman viktor pelevin had a piece where, in the Dark Future (tm) all other types of porn vanish, and only this remains 507104;1392525707;asciilifeform;ending up called 'DERP', or 'derivative porn' 507105;1392525730;asciilifeform;age of consent raised to 46, so all ordinary porn is forbidden 507106;1392525730;asciilifeform;and so what remains is 'porn' with films of the censor's faces 507107;1392525752;asciilifeform;viewing the forbidden. 507108;1392525779;cads;wait were the faces edited over the actors' 507109;1392525783;mircea_popescu;cads http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OBlgSz8sSM << 660mn views. 507110;1392525794;asciilifeform;people then frequent quasi-illicit Derp viewings. 507111;1392525816;mircea_popescu;i could continue but w/e. 507112;1392525866;cads;mircea_popescu: Bahaha. 507113;1392525898;cads;I'll leave it up to you to decide what type of logical fallacy you made by throwing Charlie Bit My Finger against the work of a singe avant garde fetish photographer. :D 507114;1392525901;asciilifeform;cads: in the tale? nope. just censors viewing That Which Is To Be Deleted 507115;1392525919;asciilifeform;and grimacing suggestively 507116;1392525919;asciilifeform;at least, as i recall. 507117;1392525973;mircea_popescu;cads no, you did. "the 9 videos in the series got 20 million views" 507118;1392525988;mircea_popescu;i merely showed how that idiocy reduces to the absurd. 507119;1392526021;cads;An average of 2 million views per video is an impressive metric for an internet personality. 507120;1392526023;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing as a "view" and consequently nohing there to count. 507121;1392526046;asciilifeform;recently saw a winblows trojan turd which loaded some unknown porn vid 507122;1392526046;mircea_popescu;and hence nothing impressive in it. 507123;1392526049;asciilifeform;(primitive 'click fraud') 507124;1392526072;cads;mircea_popescu is not impressed, guys 507125;1392526116;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 507126;1392526129;cads;For the agents in an attention economy, those are important metrics. 507127;1392526132;mircea_popescu;nono, i'm impressed, deeply, just, there's nothing there to be impressive k ? 507128;1392526140;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as an attention econonmy. 507129;1392526299;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06941006 = 0.5553 BTC [-] 507130;1392526360;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0694 = 1.041 BTC [-] {2} 507131;1392526390;cads;Okay, so lets start at the bottom. The claim there are no youtube views. Youtube clearly provides analytics on the number of visitors to a page. So are we saying these numbers are fabricated by youtube or third part 'view providers? Or that youtube views don't actually record how much attention someone payed to a video, whether they really watched it, etc. 507132;1392526414;mircea_popescu;cads i can make a webpage publishing arbitrary numbers. 507133;1392526421;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] 507134;1392526422;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.0694 = 0.9022 BTC [-] 507135;1392526425;mircea_popescu;in fact back in the lycos/infoseek/geocities days most everyone did. 507136;1392526426;cads;In the second and first cases I would point out that marketing companies trust view statistics. 507137;1392526435;cads;So people pay for views and they're real. 507138;1392526439;mircea_popescu;marketing companies do not trust view statisticsa, 507139;1392526449;mircea_popescu;they simply use that particular bezzle to defraud whoever's so inclined. 507140;1392526465;mircea_popescu;there's nothing particularly wrong with being a fraudster, i guess, until you end up believing your own crap. 507141;1392526482;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] 507142;1392526512;mircea_popescu;all this aside : putting "views" next to a number does not transform the number into a measure 507143;1392526537;asciilifeform;cads: pick up one of google's '$100 off' coupons and see for yourself what it is the chumps pay for 507144;1392526538;cads;right, we must trust the entity measuring the views and the method of measuring them. 507145;1392526538;mircea_popescu;nor are you at liberty to imagine the symbol views denotes whatever definition you may happen to allocate it. 507146;1392526553;mircea_popescu;first and foremost we must agree these "views" are a thing. 507147;1392526566;mircea_popescu;you can only measure that which is thing. 507148;1392526591;cads;okay 507149;1392526615;cads;so with multiple servers serving the same content it becomes a nontrivial task to syncronize the correct number, first 507150;1392526629;mircea_popescu;all this dovetails neatly, of course, into our earlier kabbalah discussion, 507151;1392526649;mircea_popescu;but i would like to add the observation that according to the 1800s crowd, patent medicine was actually useful, actually valuable and actually working. 507152;1392526656;asciilifeform;for some reason, i can't help but remember the american moneyed idiot who proclaimed that tv watchers who get up to piss during ads are committing fraud. 507153;1392526662;mircea_popescu;and its forbidding a serious abuse of the state power against individual sovereignity 507154;1392526672;mircea_popescu;a view which is actulaly getting a slight resurgence these days. 507155;1392526681;mircea_popescu;(promoted by interested parties, of course, which is to say scammors) 507156;1392526700;asciilifeform;hell, it actually worked - with opium in every bottle 507157;1392526712;mircea_popescu;opium provides no health benefits tho 507158;1392526726;asciilifeform;arguably a better deal than what today's hucksters are pushing, regardless 507159;1392526732;mircea_popescu;perhaps. 507160;1392526736;mircea_popescu;very much depends on what you're buying,. 507161;1392526742;mircea_popescu;much like say, closer to home, silicone. 507162;1392526751;mircea_popescu;you can get excellent chips 507163;1392526754;mircea_popescu;or you could get crud. 507164;1392526791;asciilifeform;can't resist pointing out that, at least on this side of the atlantic, 'silicone' refers exclusively to the type of rubber sold under that name 507165;1392526793;mircea_popescu;now the people who have no idea about electronics regularly buy whatever someone;s telling them to. 507166;1392526797;cads;mircea_popescu: at some level I feel you are saying that it absolutely does not matter that people spent an estimated 34 million minutes looking at this single artist's work, if only because we can't trust those estimates at all. 507167;1392526799;mircea_popescu;a sorry. 507168;1392526825;mircea_popescu;cads that is a slightly different discussion, and in no way related to "views". 507169;1392526825;asciilifeform;naggum's 4-ring binders 507170;1392526830;asciilifeform;'lemon car' theorem, etc. 507171;1392526839;mircea_popescu;and that different discussion i will appoach from the following different angle : 507172;1392526862;mircea_popescu;would you consider more important the mona lisa or an equally large, equally well made unknown painting certainly made by da vinci ? 507173;1392526865;asciilifeform;cads: even a rookie spammer can easily arrange a million 'views' of whatever. 507174;1392526881;mircea_popescu;the mona lisa people have spenbt 45804958609458609458609845045809845 minutes watching. 507175;1392526886;mircea_popescu;this unknow painting, 845. 507176;1392526890;mircea_popescu;which is the more important ? 507177;1392526948;mircea_popescu;who the fuck sits in museums with a clicker doing cezanne vs caravaggio minutemanview competition ? 507178;1392526963;mircea_popescu;why not compare movies by the gross weight of tit watching them ? 507179;1392526971;cads;in the landscape of the possible human experience time is the only scarce resource, so if in /this/ universe people have spent more time experiencing the first art work, then I am willing to say this is more "important" 507180;1392526976;mircea_popescu;the oscars this year totals films watched by 48599 tons of tit fat. 507181;1392527000;mircea_popescu;so if i were to give you one of the two, you'd pick the mona lisa ? 507182;1392527019;asciilifeform;reason i mentioned google's widget, is that the chumps pay manyfold for 'conversions' (term of art) 507183;1392527031;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.126 = 0.252 BTC [+] {2} 507184;1392527036;asciilifeform;i.e. 'victims' who do not merely click the ad, but go on to buy something 507185;1392527042;mircea_popescu;right. 507186;1392527059;mircea_popescu;how the fuck would time be a scarce resource anyway. 507187;1392527064;asciilifeform;the type of fool that pays for mere click is not entirely extinct, however. 507188;1392527067;mircea_popescu;the people who do views have nothing else to do with their time 507189;1392527071;mircea_popescu;that's why they're there. 507190;1392527085;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform slowly dieing out, like the email spammer. 507191;1392527092;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 507192;1392527124;cads;mircea_popescu: I'm merely saying one work has influenced far more human experience, thoughts, and ultimately economic action. 507193;1392527150;mircea_popescu;maybe it has. 507194;1392527158;mircea_popescu;except the point of art is that it doesn't work like commerce. 507195;1392527166;mircea_popescu;maybe the unseen painting also has. for what we know... 507196;1392527187;cads;art works like a popularity contest 507197;1392527192;mircea_popescu;naw. 507198;1392527203;mircea_popescu;;;google trilema what is art 507199;1392527204;gribble;What is art ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Art over time, a graph of progress. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; WhoMerLock :: A Trio of Trilemmas by GMYuna on deviantART: 507200;1392527205;mircea_popescu;i need a ;;trilema 507201;1392527211;mircea_popescu;ffs this thing sucks. 507202;1392527218;cads;not a competition of provision of real valued, but a competition to earn human sentiment 507203;1392527222;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/what-is-art/ 507204;1392527223;ozbot;What is art ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 507205;1392527233;mircea_popescu;there, share it with the feminists, it'll make them like me, much to their detriment. 507206;1392527403;cads;I'm not going to argue what is art, I'm interested in how artists earn money, and I'm having a hard time believing that the amount of money that an artist earns does not _strongly_ correlate with the amount of attention that others give him. 507207;1392527413;cads;how can that claim be sustained? 507208;1392527486;cads;okay 507209;1392527496;mircea_popescu;the amount an artist earns strictly correlates with how powerful his lord is 507210;1392527499;mircea_popescu;and how well he serves him. 507211;1392527501;mircea_popescu;s'all. 507212;1392527546;cads;I can think of many artists that make livings working in larger studios 507213;1392527562;cads;for commercial work - entertainment, marketing, design 507214;1392527564;mircea_popescu;i can think of many ways people structure deals to avoid tax. 507215;1392527589;cads;these artists do /not/ recieve attention 507216;1392527600;mircea_popescu;yes they do, it's just not nominalized. 507217;1392527603;cads;and they in fact do better than artists that try to make their living purely on their art 507218;1392527621;mircea_popescu;the ronin ":artist" is merely a rebellious peasant. 507219;1392527622;cads;which would seem to sustain the claim that earning do not correlate to attention 507220;1392527630;mircea_popescu;no matter how he tries to fake the pretense of being an actual artist. 507221;1392527763;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.00083559 = 0.2507 BTC [-] 507222;1392527867;Namworld;;;premium mtgox bitstamp 507223;1392527868;gribble;Premium of MtGox over Bitstamp is currently -52.9905981226 %. 507224;1392527879;Namworld;This is the best thing ever... 507225;1392527891;Namworld;+25% to under -50% 507226;1392527907;cads;I think that's very cynical, and more of a moral issue.. do you think it's wrong or weak for someone to try to make a living as an artist? 507227;1392527918;mircea_popescu;i think it's confused. 507228;1392527923;cads;Stupid? Patently. 507229;1392527936;mircea_popescu;do you think it's wrong or weak for someone to make a living as an electric engineer specialised in pottery ? 507230;1392527952;cads;Sure 507231;1392527953;mircea_popescu;or a word mathematician ? 507232;1392527960;mircea_popescu;(like, say, a kabbalist) 507233;1392527966;cads;what the fuck are you doing with yourself then :D 507234;1392527970;mircea_popescu;it's ridiculously misguided. 507235;1392527979;mircea_popescu;lol 507236;1392527988;Namworld;What's the issue with someone making a living as an artist? 507237;1392528002;mircea_popescu;you'll have to read teh log, argument started centuries ago. 507238;1392528002;Namworld;I must be missing something. 507239;1392528003;cads;Expected ROI 507240;1392528007;cads;for one. 507241;1392528024;asciilifeform;reduces to a search for the right moneyed fool (e.g. reportedly, kabbalists do find employment in israel) 507242;1392528034;mircea_popescu;cads picture a chick showing up to the sky olympics with toothpics for sticks. 507243;1392528034;Namworld;Oh... well I guess few makes it. 507244;1392528052;Namworld;But "artist" encompass a lot of people and careers... 507245;1392528068;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00297498 = 0.4314 BTC [+] 507246;1392528080;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the john is not a fool, he's buying something for his money. 507247;1392528113;cads;okay, so I understand, kabbalists and artists are our public enemy so lets not be impressed with them 507248;1392528118;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH56xkdUwmM 507249;1392528119;ozbot;Pulp Fiction Bad Mother wallet restaurant scene Jules - YouTube 507250;1392528131;mircea_popescu;eh you understand nothing! 507251;1392528145;cads;in the same sense that we must never expound the virtues of a song about selling crack 507252;1392528152;mircea_popescu;bah fucking youtube. 507253;1392528159;cads;even if it is awesome and has done interesting things in the market :D 507254;1392528205;Namworld;Artists are our public enemy? 507255;1392528210;Namworld;What? 507256;1392528215;cads;I was being facetious. 507257;1392528257;cads;I want to talk about the econmics of how artists earn their sentiment, and we seem to feel that artists deserve only shitty sentiment because they're shysters that troll for a handout. 507258;1392528281;cads;And "click, whirr" the automatic thoughts now prevent us from applying economic modelling to this agent class 507259;1392528292;Namworld;earn their sentiment? 507260;1392528311;mircea_popescu;"jules, you give that fucking nimrod fifteen hundred dollars i'll shoot him on general principle" "now... I ain't giving it to him Vincent. I'm buyin' something for my money. Wanna know what I'm buyin' Ringo ? 507261;1392528311;mircea_popescu;"What ?" 507262;1392528311;mircea_popescu;"Your life." 507263;1392528312;mircea_popescu;bout it. 507264;1392528337;MisterE;poetry 507265;1392528338;mircea_popescu;cads you have no modelling, there is no economy and no sentiment. fugeddaboutit. 507266;1392528368;Namworld;What is going on here? 507267;1392528388;MisterE;we're just about to bring in the gimp I think 507268;1392528399;mircea_popescu;nah we already had the gimp 507269;1392528404;mircea_popescu;he's off building an exchange. 507270;1392528409;cads;hehe, this is how mircea_popescu and I say "I love you" 507271;1392528434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3988 @ 0.00087169 = 3.4763 BTC [+] 507272;1392528467;cads;haha, and I'm basically arguing that we can make human attention fungible and this is a horror scenario because that means the marketing firms win. 507273;1392528473;mircea_popescu;no. 507274;1392528490;mircea_popescu;you are arguing that people are interchangeable, which is broken in the way socialism generally is broken. 507275;1392528493;mircea_popescu;nothing human is fungible. 507276;1392528495;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2289 @ 0.00024762 = 0.5668 BTC [-] {3} 507277;1392528499;Namworld;We can? What? 507278;1392528521;mircea_popescu;only the inhuman parts are fungible. 507279;1392528530;mircea_popescu;this is how you know you are not your liver. 507280;1392528614;mircea_popescu;that said, you can infinitely confuse yourself with "newer" and "never" repackagings of but wait look! i have built a perpetuum mobile, i have redressed socialism so now it works etc. 507281;1392528627;mircea_popescu;i have no objection to the activity, but it doth amuse on one hand and fail to entice o nthe other. 507282;1392528711;Namworld;I'm pretty sure my humans aren't fungible. Some of my subjects are worth more. They'd cost you more for me to be willing to depart with them. 507283;1392528762;cads;Suppose I have attempted to construct a system where my clients can pay well defined amounts of money to predictably add and remove beliefs from a group of people. It's worked - I've both started and ended revolutions, political movements, market crazes... in a number of countries. 507284;1392528785;mircea_popescu;okay. 507285;1392528872;mircea_popescu;Namworld better go searching for moistened bints. 507286;1392528951;Namworld;That is a valid alternative. 507287;1392528955;cads;ehh, that scenario is too imaginary 507288;1392528963;mircea_popescu;lol caught yourself in your own web huh. 507289;1392529014;cads;the scenario is too tacky to think about :D 507290;1392529018;ThickAsThieves;catching up on log, but cads, Cloud Atlas was pretty lame 507291;1392529028;mircea_popescu;stop repressing him 507292;1392529040;mircea_popescu;he's like... trying to sniff emancipated, unshaven cunt 507293;1392529055;asciilifeform;cloud atlas! another cheap sf flick with the bomb collars! 507294;1392529058;asciilifeform;always the bomb collars. 507295;1392529064;asciilifeform;hollywood seems to love them. 507296;1392529067;cads;ah, warn copumpkin 507297;1392529083;copumpkin;watching it now 507298;1392529084;copumpkin;ssh 507299;1392529094;cads;the man has committed 507300;1392529094;mircea_popescu;you ssh ing into a film ?! 507301;1392529103;copumpkin;yeah, I have an ascii art video player 507302;1392529109;asciilifeform;ssh -X 507303;1392529109;copumpkin;works fine if you configure your terminal correctly 507304;1392529112;copumpkin;no 507305;1392529116;cads;hehe mircea_popescu you 507306;1392529120;copumpkin;not enough bandwidth for X forwarding of video 507307;1392529123;mircea_popescu;"easy to use if you know what you are doing" 507308;1392529126;cads;'re an ass :D 507309;1392529136;copumpkin;cads: you're just now realizing? 507310;1392529142;cads;course not! 507311;1392529144;copumpkin;the guy's internet famous for it 507312;1392529146;copumpkin;:) 507313;1392529149;mircea_popescu;he's only now started the sniffing. 507314;1392529157;mircea_popescu;pubertee :D 507315;1392529161;copumpkin;hah 507316;1392529163;copumpkin;anyway, back to movie 507317;1392529167;copumpkin;this thing isn't going to watch itself 507318;1392529185;mircea_popescu;buy a cozy and a ceramic bracelet on etzy while at it. 507319;1392529190;mircea_popescu;feed a starving virgin! 507320;1392529240;asciilifeform;it's a 'good bad film.' i recommend it. 507321;1392529279;mircea_popescu;i just realised we could make a pretty decent -assets mockumentary 507322;1392529283;asciilifeform;(in the sense of mr. o's essay on 'good bad books') 507323;1392529288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00087086 = 22.7294 BTC [-] 507324;1392529388;cads;mircea_popescu: I will remember that people can make you reject any economic theory simply by saying the word "feminism" 10 minutes before presenting it :D 507325;1392529404;mircea_popescu;im the foremost feminist here, i'll have you know. 507326;1392529431;mircea_popescu;(no trollo) 507327;1392529432;chetty;ppffttt 507328;1392529437;cads;not a surprise for a slave master to be the feminist of an internet bunch :D 507329;1392529516;B007;I got accused of being a feminist only once. By a girl. 507330;1392529639;chetty;current definition of term 'feminist' makes it an insult ya know :P 507331;1392529648;cads;I like some feminist stuff but I also like knockers 507332;1392529726;cads;in america at least, dudes that call themselves feminists are mostly women hating bro creeps hiding behind the label 507333;1392529784;mircea_popescu;srsly ? 507334;1392529792;cads;yeah it became a thing 507335;1392529801;mircea_popescu;i thought us male feminists were mostly... you know, dudes that can't otherwise date. 507336;1392529827;mircea_popescu;shy marginally autistic repressed twentysomethings. 507337;1392529831;cads;right it has become rapey bros 507338;1392529837;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 507339;1392529854;cads;hey I'm a shy marginally autistic repressed twentysomething! 507340;1392529862;cads;what are ya getting at! :D 507341;1392529866;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'm the sort of feminist that torns irigaray to shreds because she's too stupid to live and gives a bad name to the entire thing. 507342;1392529869;mircea_popescu;sort-of like amir taaki. 507343;1392529898;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14460 @ 0.00087313 = 12.6255 BTC [+] {2} 507344;1392529942;cads;there's this neat defense 507345;1392529955;cads;"It wasn't rape. I'm a feminist" 507346;1392529959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11840 @ 0.00087647 = 10.3774 BTC [+] 507347;1392529974;mircea_popescu;how does that work ? 507348;1392529980;mircea_popescu;anyway, to help this discussion along, 507349;1392529981;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9ulqxAlJW1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg 507350;1392530007;cads;a man will rape a woman and then claim what happened could not have been rape. He's a feminist. 507351;1392530012;cads;He's so hurt now. 507352;1392530024;mircea_popescu;uh 507353;1392530034;mircea_popescu;this is bizarre. 507354;1392530047;cads;He loves women. He's DONE things for the cause. How can this cunt thing he fucking raped her? 507355;1392530052;cads;think* 507356;1392530086;mircea_popescu;would this be one of those ambiguous episode kids get involved in that are currently mislabeled as "rape" in the us ? 507357;1392530099;mircea_popescu;such as get drunk at party, fuck, don't remember much in the morning ? 507358;1392530124;B007;lol 507359;1392530126;B007;no 507360;1392530128;nicknock_;well if you feel regret you can always dump a rape charge at the guy 507361;1392530157;nicknock_;the female option 507362;1392530307;cads;mircea_popescu: http://kieselaymon.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/tumblr_lsslmrbk001r4vn34o1_500.jpg 507363;1392530323;KRS-One;.bait 507364;1392530324;mircea_popescu;ajajaa 507365;1392530325;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/9c166611571c2fb0c370a201ed468f1f/tumblr_myr1ixjviu1smfwvpo1_500.jpg 507366;1392530353;cads;mircea_popescu: hey, cute pic, if I cross my eyes I can almost see her in 3d :D 507367;1392530369;mircea_popescu;is "gender is a social construct" supposed to excuse her lack of heels or something ? 507368;1392530388;mircea_popescu;cads yeah the grandiose photochop job is better than the girl. 507369;1392530580;BingoBoingo;Oh, happy birthday to me! 507370;1392530619;mircea_popescu;for his a bingo good booingo! 507371;1392530630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 1000 @ 0.0002 = 0.2 BTC [+] 507372;1392530697;BingoBoingo;I still have to decide what to get myself. 507373;1392530761;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcsfl6nH4i1reu145o1_500.gif ? 507374;1392530810;BingoBoingo;Maybe? I'll probably just get myself some scotch. 507375;1392530898;BingoBoingo;Or some nice wool socks. 507376;1392531107;mircea_popescu;buy a cozy and a ceramic bracelet on etzy while at it. 507377;1392531132;mircea_popescu;i will never know why they eschewed naming the thing chintzy 507378;1392531137;chetty;actually rape is a social construct then - no gender = no rape :P 507379;1392531153;cazalla;check yo priviledge 507380;1392531160;mircea_popescu;no woman no cry 507381;1392531161;cazalla;privilege even 507382;1392531173;BingoBoingo;Chintzy might be a good name for a BTC etsy. 507383;1392531196;mircea_popescu;guy walks into a bank "hell-o, i'd like to open a checking account" 507384;1392531211;mircea_popescu;"what for ? you look like one of those bums with delusions of academia" 507385;1392531219;mircea_popescu;"nevertheless, i would like to check my privilege" 507386;1392531586;cads;"Lack game? Try this formula: mention x feminist theorist, y lamentation about political issue that attacks womens rights, z assertion about sexual consent. That tactic alone may work on someone, and thats utterly scary." 507387;1392531591;cads;bahaha 507388;1392531595;cads;also this 507389;1392531598;cads;"In my ideal world, the misogynists would be ultra-detectable, with facial pocks and sulfury odors and grunt wiggle your glazed donut ass for me. " 507390;1392531657;mircea_popescu;da fuck. 507391;1392531667;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1281 @ 0.00023839 = 0.3054 BTC [-] {9} 507392;1392531669;mircea_popescu;so if i make girls twerk i'm a mysogynist ? 507393;1392531851;mircea_popescu;nm, Minh Nguyen fails to be hot and therefore her rambling is irrelephant. 507394;1392531866;cads;hehe, you are a parody of yourself :) 507395;1392531876;mircea_popescu;this is how you know i'm a feminist! 507396;1392531880;mircea_popescu;um wait... 507397;1392531910;cads;the universe has a human parody operator and you are its fixpoint :) 507398;1392531968;mircea_popescu;http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=4 507399;1392531969;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets bash 507400;1392532028;cads;I feel for what she says, and I think she's naive in only one thing 507401;1392532059;cads;her two male paradongs of perfect sexism free maleness 507402;1392532068;cads;do not exist 507403;1392532082;mircea_popescu;if i were surounded by douchy us twennysomething as a woman young enough to wish to get laid... frankly i dunno i'd find the time to write 507404;1392532094;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0704 = 0.1408 BTC [+] {2} 507405;1392532096;mircea_popescu;what with all the reload flamethrower, throw away empty fuel cartridge, reload flamethrower... 507406;1392532143;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves, Bunnyh just got email from Luke-Jr, patch seems good, hope it helps 507407;1392532143;mircea_popescu;this however has nothing to do with sexism, feminism, cultural, social, constructs and so forth. 507408;1392532185;cads;btw who is the originator of the social construct BS? 507409;1392532230;mircea_popescu;cads saussure, probably. 507410;1392532243;cads;it's... essentially right but leads people to conclude what is merely a social construct doesn't actually exist so it should be possible in /theory/ to completely dispell that what was a construct. 507411;1392532248;cads;with another construct 507412;1392532255;cads;presumably 507413;1392532270;mircea_popescu;nah that's not it. 507414;1392532272;cads;but more often with "the truth", at least if you dig at it. 507415;1392532285;mircea_popescu;it leads people to imagine that it was "constructed", which is a pedestrian interpretation of the term of art, 507416;1392532311;mircea_popescu;and thus simultaneously casts blame, upon the politically convenient targets of ostracism (ie, actual males, actual females, anyone not fucktarded) 507417;1392532322;cads;right, the builders 507418;1392532335;mircea_popescu;and offers a seeming basis for further nuttery (ie, that a "better" construct could be constructed. on etsy.) 507419;1392532362;mircea_popescu;it's really just a slightly more iq-amped way of being emo. 507420;1392532431;mircea_popescu;on re-read we don;t disagree. 507421;1392532517;mircea_popescu;anyway, the entirety of what passes for "social sciences" in the us these days can broadly be divided without remained into the emo ("i am special because i am chiefly only interested in myself and let me tell you about myself which is important because i am special bla bla bla") 507422;1392532544;mircea_popescu;and goffy, which is "look at all the neat shit i don't understand that i've randomly collected mostly by breaking old stuff apart with a hammer" 507423;1392532592;cads;and the creepy, "look we can predict crimes before they happen by monitoring unsent drafts on facebook" 507424;1392532605;mircea_popescu;one of the funniest things to watch is a goffy and an emo chick being interested in the same dood. 507425;1392532618;cazalla;where do you see that 507426;1392532623;mircea_popescu;used to be the only attraction of livejournal. 507427;1392532636;cads;cazalla: you DON'T see that 507428;1392532643;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.000876 = 35.04 BTC [-] {3} 507429;1392532643;mircea_popescu;(which was fb before fb) 507430;1392532646;cads;but you know it's there 507431;1392532653;cazalla;i use to have an LJ back in the day :P 507432;1392532676;mircea_popescu;i never did but i read some of my slaves' ljs from back in the day 507433;1392532681;mircea_popescu;mucho humiliatory. 507434;1392532683;cazalla;met a girl on there, thought she would have sex with me if i made an LJ too, gee how naive 507435;1392532700;mircea_popescu;also quite instructive for me. 507436;1392532714;benkay;what did you learn? 507437;1392532756;cads;jesus why the fuck can't we have distributed publicly owned web service assets?! 507438;1392532784;cads;People use LJ for private journals because it has privacy controls 507439;1392532789;mircea_popescu;benkay just enriched my personal sottisier. 507440;1392532805;cads;till their incompetent IT department leaks the firm's key hash database 507441;1392533370;benkay;wow pankkake venus is some brilliance 507442;1392533447;benkay;holy fucknuggets venus is illmatic 507443;1392533457;benkay;makes me want to run my own aggregation channel 507444;1392533487;benkay;or curate a republication of a bunch of feeds 507445;1392533503;benkay;no no no kid focus focus kid there are far more important things 507446;1392533611;mircea_popescu;what venus ? 507447;1392533646;benkay;http://intertwingly.net/code/venus/ 507448;1392533647;ozbot;Planet Venus source code 507449;1392533658;benkay;rss thinger 507450;1392533667;benkay;slash other stuff 507451;1392533669;benkay;probably sucks 507452;1392533680;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00087082 = 10.624 BTC [-] {4} 507453;1392533681;benkay;but man you know what else sucks? my rss story. 507454;1392533717;benkay;solution is not to implement venus actually but to fix rss in emacs 507455;1392533728;benkay;which i totally have time to and will do in the next decade 507456;1392533743;benkay;*flips table* 507457;1392533791;benkay;i'm going to go design a thing. computers suck. 507458;1392533957;mircea_popescu;oic 507459;1392534107;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.127 = 0.254 BTC [+] {2} 507460;1392534109;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 507461;1392534231;mircea_popescu;anyone care to help me build a sorted list of politically incorrect english words ? 507462;1392534236;mircea_popescu;nigger > faggot right ? 507463;1392534265;ThickAsThieves;greater at what? 507464;1392534271;mircea_popescu;at incorectness 507465;1392534280;ThickAsThieves;yeah 507466;1392534294;mircea_popescu;fatty next ? or anything before that ? 507467;1392534306;ThickAsThieves;this would take forever 507468;1392534311;mircea_popescu;i just need like the top 10 507469;1392534316;ThickAsThieves;lol 507470;1392534317;mircea_popescu;5, something. 507471;1392534319;ThickAsThieves;cunt 507472;1392534327;mircea_popescu;cunt is not politically incorrect is it ?! 507473;1392534351;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1245 BTC [-] 507474;1392534352;ThickAsThieves;wtf is p i tho? 507475;1392534366;mircea_popescu;hm. 507476;1392534373;mircea_popescu;ok. hurtful. 507477;1392534378;mircea_popescu;the most HURTFUL words! 507478;1392534420;ThickAsThieves;i'm drawing a blank 507479;1392534429;ThickAsThieves;must be in a kind mood 507480;1392534432;mircea_popescu;my powem ;/ 507481;1392534440;ThickAsThieves;slut? 507482;1392534451;ThickAsThieves;sandnigger? 507483;1392534454;dub;interseting problem 507484;1392534474;ThickAsThieves;mouthbreather? 507485;1392534484;dub;as a nigger I don't find it offensive, not a faggot so hard to judge 507486;1392534498;mircea_popescu;http://prototoast.blogspot.ro/2010/07/two-most-hurtful-words-in-english.html 507487;1392534498;ozbot;Blog-Mahoney: The two most hurtful words in the English language 507488;1392534500;mircea_popescu;god damned. 507489;1392534529;mircea_popescu;dub you're black now ?! 507490;1392534544;dub;since birth in fact 507491;1392534558;ThickAsThieves;that blog is retarded 507492;1392534565;ThickAsThieves;retard! 507493;1392534565;mircea_popescu;i had no idea. 507494;1392534571;mircea_popescu;o yeah retard. ty. 507495;1392534591;ThickAsThieves;dyke? 507496;1392534601;ThickAsThieves;rugmuncher? 507497;1392534615;ThickAsThieves;jew? 507498;1392534635;ThickAsThieves;greenhorn can be pretty insulting 507499;1392534637;mircea_popescu;jew is fine isn't it ? 507500;1392534659;mircea_popescu;should be something with the holocaust tho 507501;1392534662;mircea_popescu;maybe hebe ? 507502;1392534671;BingoBoingo;Kike 507503;1392534687;ThickAsThieves;slant 507504;1392534689;benkay;programmer 507505;1392534700;BingoBoingo;Gook 507506;1392534709;ThickAsThieves;thug, it's the new nigger 507507;1392534711;mircea_popescu;ahaha programmer 507508;1392534722;mircea_popescu;i wonder if hacker ever makes this list. 507509;1392534731;mircea_popescu;"don't be callin ma momma a hacker yo!" 507510;1392534742;ThickAsThieves;what hacker wants to be called a hacker? 507511;1392534745;BingoBoingo;Dago, potatonigger, Guido 507512;1392534760;ThickAsThieves;other than the pretender kind 507513;1392534760;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo its not that i want a long or exhaustive list, 507514;1392534777;mircea_popescu;i want it sorted. the internet is full of ambigfuous list. i want to see the fucking impolite middle class. 507515;1392534806;ThickAsThieves;my dad had a pretty bad word for nigger in portuguese 507516;1392534812;Duffer1;race based are some of the most loaded atm 507517;1392534813;ThickAsThieves;prete or something 507518;1392534819;ThickAsThieves;burnt piece of wood 507519;1392534838;chetty;I don't think it can be done, hurt is very sujective 507520;1392534848;Duffer1;especially those regarding black people and mexicans 507521;1392534864;ThickAsThieves;spic 507522;1392534871;BingoBoingo;Wetback, beaner 507523;1392534878;ThickAsThieves;i like beaner 507524;1392534886;ThickAsThieves;if i were mexican id take it 507525;1392534922;ThickAsThieves;wop 507526;1392534950;chetty;haha 'commie', long ago. Now I think its a compliment 507527;1392534968;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves maybe you could be a faux mexican 507528;1392534988;ThickAsThieves;its a running joke with the father in law 507529;1392535004;ThickAsThieves;cuz he's a redneck who cant tell the difference 507530;1392535011;ThickAsThieves;so i tell him to call me carlos 507531;1392535014;benkay;i use commie as an insult. it confuses people. 507532;1392535041;ThickAsThieves;"Gypped" is arguably the most commonly used racist term in existence today. 507533;1392535053;mircea_popescu;benkay it's always nice to yell when joining a large group "You pinko commie bastards!!!" with lively excitement 507534;1392535067;BingoBoingo;Some are more and less offensive on different sides of the atlantic. Spaz is fine in 'Murica and a Offensive in Britain. Cunt is the reverse (except when dealing with slants as a full rotation is out of the picture) 507535;1392535069;mircea_popescu;those 5 seconds while they try to decide if you're about to mow them down or it's a really funny joke are priceless. 507536;1392535093;benkay;yeah plus you get such great intel about all of them from their reactions i bet 507537;1392535113;ThickAsThieves;orgasm is pretty offensive to a lot of people 507538;1392535117;ThickAsThieves;many sex words 507539;1392535123;mircea_popescu;ya but those are all women 507540;1392535125;mircea_popescu;who cares. 507541;1392535141;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: In these parts I actually hear Jew'd about as often as Gyp'd 507542;1392535182;ThickAsThieves;yeah i think more people use gyp cuz they arent quite sure if its an insult 507543;1392535187;ThickAsThieves;whereas jew'd is pretty obv 507544;1392535217;ThickAsThieves;"guinea-rigged" 507545;1392535251;BingoBoingo;I almost forgot Guinea was a slur, fucking I-talians 507546;1392535258;mircea_popescu;guinea is a slur ? 507547;1392535266;ThickAsThieves;yeah, like wop 507548;1392535273;mircea_popescu;but it's a country name. 507549;1392535285;ThickAsThieves;its assoc with italians for some reason 507550;1392535311;mircea_popescu;;;google guinea-bissau 507551;1392535311;gribble;Guinea-Bissau - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Guinea-Bissau - Central Intelligence Agency: ; BBC News - Guinea-Bissau profile - Overview: 507552;1392535351;ThickAsThieves;maybe it's another nigger word 507553;1392535359;ThickAsThieves;i havent heard it since i was a kidf 507554;1392535364;ThickAsThieves;from my dad of course 507555;1392535387;ThickAsThieves;i'm beginning to understand why i like rap so much 507556;1392535416;BingoBoingo;"Q: What do you call an Italian homosexual? A: A Guinea cocksucker." http://books.google.com/books?id=ZgN0XECF5U0C&pg=PA49&lpg=PA49&dq=Guinea+jokes+italian&source=bl&ots=GgC_l5FM1D&sig=qPk8jkJ4dS4QnzzQ0OMKSB3y-_M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=OGcAU8HJAeLmyQHXuoG4BQ&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Guinea%20jokes%20italian&f=false 507557;1392535420;mircea_popescu;you like rap, dub likes dubstep, everyone with his own thing. 507558;1392535443;BingoBoingo;They even use guinea as a slur in The Godfather. 507559;1392535462;ThickAsThieves;italians probly got slaves from there 507560;1392535484;mircea_popescu;they were french colonies tho 507561;1392535496;mircea_popescu;and italians didn't use slaves really 507562;1392535505;BingoBoingo;Maybe the French weren't big fans of the Dagos. 507563;1392535506;mircea_popescu;except the sicilians have to this day a female slavery programme goin 507564;1392535519;ThickAsThieves;did they ship slaves tho? 507565;1392535532;mircea_popescu;only to the moors. 507566;1392535560;mircea_popescu;(fun fact : before the dutch started paying better, the black people were exporting slaves exclusively east, to yemen and other arabs) 507567;1392535564;Luke-Jr;ThickAsThieves: not sure you're involvement, but the change herbijudlestoids mentioned is merged now 507568;1392535568;Luke-Jr;your* 507569;1392535568;ThickAsThieves;my ancestors probly played a decent role in all that, being azorean 507570;1392535581;ThickAsThieves;word 507571;1392535587;BingoBoingo;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_moor 507572;1392535587;ozbot;Black Moor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 507573;1392535605;benkay;sicilian female slavery?? 507574;1392535624;ThickAsThieves;"Tina Maze of Slovenia and Dominique Gisin of Switzerland finished the women's downhill event with the exact same time" 507575;1392535643;ThickAsThieves;must be a joke in there somewhere 507576;1392535790;BingoBoingo;Openex's ATC volume is down to under a hundredth of a BTC these past 24 hours. Trading on https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc still need to pick up the slack though. 507577;1392535815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15802 @ 0.00087054 = 13.7563 BTC [-] {2} 507578;1392535815;ThickAsThieves;http://www.baystreet.ca/viewarticle.aspx?id=411977 507579;1392535816;ozbot;Baystreet.ca - ACCESSWIRE 507580;1392535824;ThickAsThieves;Bitcoin Exchange ‘Hitbtc’ Launches February 14th after $3M Investment 507581;1392535843;ThickAsThieves;those are guys mpoe-pr "see here'd" 507582;1392535913;cads;mircea_popescu: I did some reasearch about charlie bit me - turns out the advertising revenue (~$100K) let the father buy a new house. 507583;1392535944;mircea_popescu;whoa look at that, 600mn "views" yielded almost 100 btc. 507584;1392535948;mircea_popescu;a view is more than a hash! 507585;1392535967;mircea_popescu;;;estimate 1000 507586;1392535968;gribble;(estimate takes no arguments) -- Shows next difficulty estimate. 507587;1392535986;mircea_popescu;;;genrate 1000 507588;1392535987;gribble;The expected generation output, at 1000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 2621404453.06, is 0.000191846212759 BTC per day and 7.9935921983e-06 BTC per hour. 507589;1392536039;mircea_popescu;;;calc (10**9 * 24 * 3600)/0.000191846212759 507590;1392536040;gribble;450360727780104448 507591;1392536056;mircea_popescu;4.5e17 hashes per btc! 507592;1392536079;cads;"At one point in time, their father Howard Davies-Car stressed that he didn't want to commercialize on the boy's success but realized that unlicensed merchandise was being sold based on their video.[9] In response to requests from viewers online the family created "Charlie Bit My Finger" T-shirts, mugs and limited edition calendars.[2][31]" 507593;1392536119;mircea_popescu;so did the reader chicks get a new library yet ? 507594;1392536122;BingoBoingo;;;genrate 440000000000 507595;1392536123;gribble;The expected generation output, at 4.4e+11 Mhps, given difficulty of 2621404453.06, is 84412.3336141 BTC per day and 3517.18056725 BTC per hour. 507596;1392536133;cads;and it's this next part that makes it seem completely scifi to me: 507597;1392536136;cads;"The family signed into a partnership with a video management company called Viral Spiral. Viral Spiral, a video management company specializing in viral videos, has helped place the video in advertisements for companies like Sprint and helped to create a brand.[23][32] There was also news of a web series featuring the boys in the works.[33] 507598;1392536136;cads;An app called "Charlie Bit Me!!!" was created for Apple and Android devices, developed by Viral Spiral and zGames.[34]" 507599;1392536137;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo watts != kwh 507600;1392536168;ThickAsThieves;create a brand, from a viral video... 507601;1392536185;mircea_popescu;kinda shows how worthless a brand is today. 507602;1392536224;benkay;barely put any effort in... 507603;1392536228;ThickAsThieves;it's like a branding singularity 507604;1392536241;benkay;"hit by the brandhammer" 507605;1392536241;ThickAsThieves;everything you do is your brand 507606;1392536243;benkay;made 100k 507607;1392536268;mircea_popescu;policeman sees guy pissing on a fencepost. "da fuck are you doing!" "branding" 507608;1392536283;ThickAsThieves;freedom of brand! 507609;1392536313;mircea_popescu;"honey tonight i'll brand the fuck out of your vagina." "and then i brandished it into her again" 507610;1392536346;ThickAsThieves;i wonder what they call hot ironing cattle now? 507611;1392536360;ThickAsThieves;viral hits? 507612;1392536385;ThickAsThieves;tattoos 507613;1392536389;cads;oh, hey 507614;1392536389;ThickAsThieves;cowtoos 507615;1392536396;cads;speaking of memes turning into brands 507616;1392536402;cads;wtf is up with dogecoin?! 507617;1392536426;cads;their market cap is way up! http://coinmarketcap.com/doge_30.html 507618;1392536431;ThickAsThieves;it's Field Day for Nobodies 507619;1392536455;mircea_popescu;cads "turning" is maybe a little much 507620;1392536496;ThickAsThieves;i suspect doge is owned by way less people than they appear 507621;1392536499;mircea_popescu;http://coinmarketcap.com/ 507622;1392536500;ozbot;Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations | Bitcoin Ripples Litecoin Peercoin DogeCoin Nxt Mastercoin C 507623;1392536507;ThickAsThieves;it's probly just a couple sock armies 507624;1392536507;mircea_popescu;dropped to 5 in the fantasy league. 507625;1392536518;BingoBoingo;If Doges are so great, why doesn't Sochi want them? 507626;1392536533;mircea_popescu;prolly next surpassed by next. 507627;1392536539;ThickAsThieves;lol there's 2m more doge than last time i looked! 507628;1392536548;ThickAsThieves;2t* 507629;1392536565;mircea_popescu;MaxCoin -22% lmao 507630;1392536600;ThickAsThieves;i wonder how much money he'll pump in before he gives up 507631;1392536654;ThickAsThieves;ha i just went to check twitter 507632;1392536660;ThickAsThieves;and see mp doge tweet 507633;1392536664;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/maxkeiser/status/434787967203160065 507634;1392536664;assbot;123! 507635;1392536665;ozbot;Twitter / maxkeiser: Feels like a #maxcoin buy-program ... 507636;1392536686;cads;"An alternative cryptocurrency disrupting the already rather disrupting crypto market. MaxCoin Donations: mPQERLaEVcj1cMSMX5tyCcCdBeZCkm6GEK " 507637;1392536688;cazalla;speaking of doge, it was on aussie tv - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-13/the-new-aussie-crypto-currency-dogecoin-gives/5259088 507638;1392536689;cads;yeah yeah buddy 507639;1392536692;ThickAsThieves;jesus 507640;1392536695;ThickAsThieves;he said that? 507641;1392536697;ThickAsThieves;ugh 507642;1392536698;copumpkin;okay, that was quite the movie 507643;1392536700;cads;youre just trying to disrupt my wallet 507644;1392536736;mircea_popescu;dis rupting... 507645;1392536770;BingoBoingo;Maliciously rupturing? 507646;1392536780;BingoBoingo;Is Maxcoin a hernia? 507647;1392536793;ThickAsThieves;malleable anusactions 507648;1392536805;cads;Ah so when were prophets ever anything but shysters 507649;1392536816;cads;max has his followers 507650;1392536824;cads;aka chumps 507651;1392536851;cads;the only bad thing is I did not do it 507652;1392536876;cads;sad sad 507653;1392536888;ThickAsThieves;surely you can use a better name 507654;1392536890;ThickAsThieves;here i have one 507655;1392536896;ThickAsThieves;maximillions 507656;1392536899;cads;cadscoin 507657;1392537017;cads;Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 10h 507658;1392537017;cads;Financial regulators in US/UK and elsewhere want Bitcoin to stoop to their level, but it can't: it's not built that way. 507659;1392537019;cads;HAHAHAHA 507660;1392537030;cads;this guy is awesome 507661;1392537086;cads;this is a shyster and a hustler 507662;1392537101;ThickAsThieves;lol he also says "Saturday nights on Twitter a bit like streets of Paris in mid-August; nothing but drunks, homeless fools and drooling freaks." 507663;1392537103;cads;"America's Most Outrageous Political Pundit" 507664;1392537105;ThickAsThieves;on a saturday night 507665;1392537108;cads;?REAAAALLLY?!" 507666;1392537124;cads;ThickAsThieves: lol 507667;1392537210;mircea_popescu;max cads ? 507668;1392537213;mircea_popescu;i say do not despair. 507669;1392537218;mircea_popescu;you have a future in like nascar. 507670;1392537253;Duffer1;oh snap 507671;1392537377;ThickAsThieves;you could find an acronym too 507672;1392537383;ThickAsThieves;like CADS 507673;1392537391;ThickAsThieves;currency and deposit system 507674;1392537393;ThickAsThieves;or such 507675;1392537486;cads;but I'm not sure how long 507676;1392537491;ThickAsThieves;the bet exists 507677;1392537494;cads;of course 507678;1392537495;ThickAsThieves;pretty much 507679;1392537505;ThickAsThieves;http://bitbet.us/bet/621/any-altcoin-will-surpass-litecoin-in-market-capitalization/ 507680;1392537508;ozbot;BitBet - Any altcoin will surpass Litecoin in market capitalization 507681;1392537535;benkay;"start out crazy long shots, end up nailbiters" 507682;1392537551;cads;http://bitbet.us/bet/687/pussy-riot-to-announce-tour-dates-before-feb/ 507683;1392537552;ozbot;BitBet - Pussy Riot to announce tour dates before Feb 15th 507684;1392537554;benkay;there's some money in that dump 507685;1392537557;cads;ahaha 507686;1392537557;benkay;er, pump 507687;1392537573;cads;I dunno if there will be any touring for pussy riot 507688;1392537588;ThickAsThieves;there's like a legion of em no? 507689;1392537596;cads;like 5 507690;1392537617;cads;that just kicked out the two members that actually did time for the group 507691;1392537641;cads;because they want to remain an anonymous collective if criminals 507692;1392537642;mircea_popescu;tit envy ? 507693;1392537643;cads;of* 507694;1392537657;mircea_popescu;some of the chicks actually had nice tits 507695;1392537660;cads;I dunno, political suicide in either case imo 507696;1392537662;ThickAsThieves;clit envy 507697;1392537666;mircea_popescu;sadly, they were visibly stupid and never got promoted much 507698;1392537706;ThickAsThieves;there was the pretty one, the lesbian one, and the frizzy mommy 507699;1392537717;ThickAsThieves;a regular Destinys Child in the making 507700;1392537726;cads;I mean they could have gone around the world singing "Virgin Mary, put Putin away" and people would have loved it 507701;1392537756;cads;and the world would heap even more pressure and loathing on russia 507702;1392537761;cads;maybe they felt this would mean nothing 507703;1392537763;mircea_popescu;wait, is the pussy riot the ukrainian bunch or the russian bunch ? 507704;1392537770;ThickAsThieves;russian 507705;1392537801;cads;remember the russian girls that got arrested for holding an illegal concert on the stairs of the orthodox church 507706;1392537840;mircea_popescu;http://theaerogram.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/mw.voice_.fb_.jpg 507707;1392537886;ThickAsThieves;Femen stole our voice, so we only write on signs now 507708;1392537921;mircea_popescu;also stole their tits. 507709;1392537932;mircea_popescu;that'd have been way better. 507710;1392537944;mircea_popescu;"Femen stole our tits, so we have to take it in the ass now" 507711;1392537948;mircea_popescu;"It hurts." 507712;1392537984;ThickAsThieves;Our rights have been "impacted" 507713;1392538030;mircea_popescu;hahaha 507714;1392538048;ThickAsThieves;https://www.tradingview.com/x/3sJjjkXD/ 507715;1392538084;mircea_popescu;subtle proctological jokes, an -assets specialty. 507716;1392538244;cads;ThickAsThieves: I love how us bitcoin analysts use such powerful technical indicators as... rocket ships :) 507717;1392538325;mircea_popescu;rocketsheep! 507718;1392538338;cads;although I won't doubt its persuasive power 507719;1392538344;cads;for I felt it 507720;1392538345;cads;;) 507721;1392538377;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.123925 = 0.4957 BTC [-] {2} 507722;1392538466;cads;oh you guys do know that at one point english writing spelled the S sound with an F 507723;1392538476;cads;Hence "Femen stole our voice" 507724;1392538499;cads;is a naughty statement 507725;1392538547;Namworld;A friend of a friend wants to film me eating one of the hottest peppers in the world. If I don't die, he'll try it himself. What? 507726;1392538553;Namworld;Guess it can't be too bad. 507727;1392538572;Namworld;Sounds like fun. 507728;1392538592;cads;femen is a feminist group waging things such as a "topless jihad" 507729;1392538629;cads;Namworld: your friend is an evil bastard 507730;1392538665;cads;since I'm an evil bastard I encourage you to follow his heed! 507731;1392538667;mircea_popescu;semen ftole our fanny ? 507732;1392538676;Namworld;No. Me and my friends are evil bastards. I'll act like it's nothing and then we'll see his reaction. 507733;1392538690;cads;semen stole our voice. all we could make was gargling sounds 507734;1392538709;mircea_popescu;omfg. 507735;1392538720;mircea_popescu;dystopia : semen actually renders women mute. 507736;1392538729;mircea_popescu;some are happily and thus quietly married 507737;1392538732;mircea_popescu;the rest are feminists. 507738;1392538734;mircea_popescu;~ fin ~ 507739;1392538739;Namworld;I already tasted stuff ranked ~1 million on the Scoville scale without flinching. 507740;1392538757;Namworld;I'll make it look like it's nothing. 507741;1392538787;cads;Namworld: is there any way you can license the video for distribution to -assets? 507742;1392538811;cads;also your bastard friend's wimpy reaction :D 507743;1392538817;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo once btc goes up enough i guess you'll have to graduate from pens to peppers. 507744;1392538854;Namworld;The guy asked my friend because he needed someone to try before him. My friend proposed me, because he thought it would be fun. =P 507745;1392538871;Namworld;It was my understanding the guy wanted to put it on youtube. 507746;1392538871;mircea_popescu;so none of you have girlfriends ? 507747;1392538905;cads;http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/femen040413/s_f01_65431732.jpg 507748;1392538910;Namworld;I don't, mircea. 507749;1392538922;Duffer1;>.< 507750;1392538931;mircea_popescu;cads that guy looks like the vagina dentata bit his finger. 507751;1392538941;mircea_popescu;should we call spiral bacterial or w/e it was ? 507752;1392538946;cads;his expression is hilarious 507753;1392538968;Namworld;lol cads 507754;1392539042;Namworld;I'll keep you updated, cads 507755;1392539188;cads;http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/femen040413/s_f15_65342447.jpg 507756;1392539210;cads;hell yea! it looks like this girl just uppercutted the fuck out of this old man 507757;1392539253;cads;Truth: "A man kicks a topless Femen activist, as she raises her fist to protest against Islamists in front of the Great Mosque of Paris" 507758;1392539265;cads;I like the original interpretation 507759;1392539348;cads;it might be self selection bias but I notice none of these topless warriors are ugly - they're mostly slim and perky 507760;1392539361;cads;http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/04/femen-stages-a-topless-jihad/100487/ 507761;1392539362;ozbot;Femen Stages a 'Topless Jihad' - In Focus - The Atlantic 507762;1392539416;cads;this officer looks like he's seen some shit and this takes the cake 15 507763;1392539416;cads;A man kicks a topless Femen activist, as she raises her fist to protest against Islamists in front of the Great Mosque of Paris 507764;1392539419;cads;err 507765;1392539429;cads;wrong paste buffer 507766;1392539436;cads;http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/femen040413/s_f23_0RTXY7ZU.jpg 507767;1392539517;cads;one does not belong: http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/femen040413/s_f30_65431623.jpg 507768;1392539597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00086877 = 1.1294 BTC [-] 507769;1392539766;mircea_popescu;the fatty or the titless ? 507770;1392539768;cads;hey, has anyone studied Kolmogorov's classic "Foundations of Probability Theory"? 507771;1392539803;cazalla;at least they are against mudslimes 507772;1392539829;mircea_popescu;hahaha 507773;1392539967;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Maybe. 507774;1392540120;cads;hmm 507775;1392540211;cads;"[..]"attention bonds," small warranties that some information will not be a waste of the recipient's time placed into escrow at the time of sending[..]" 507776;1392540234;cads;"receivers could cash in their bonds to signal to the sender that a given communication was a waste of their time or elect not to cash them in to signal that more communication would be welcome." 507777;1392540253;cads;this is a proposed system for reducing spam 507778;1392540257;cads;can we do this with bitcoin? 507779;1392540390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9484 @ 0.00087274 = 8.2771 BTC [+] {2} 507780;1392540395;mircea_popescu;so these are the stamps basically ? 507781;1392540415;cads;If you wanna comment on my blog, or drop a message in my website's inbox, say, you must give to an escrow 507782;1392540420;mircea_popescu;mail server automatically rejects all email that doesn't come with btc. 507783;1392540446;cads;then at any time I can exercise the right to claim the credits to punish spammers and trolls 507784;1392540461;cads;I dare not claim the credits of any valued readers 507785;1392540477;cads;lest my readership diminish 507786;1392540575;cads;it would be harder to implement for email but much easier for personal websites 507787;1392540622;mircea_popescu;the trilema credits system seems quite sufficient really. 507788;1392540878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9079 @ 0.00086793 = 7.8799 BTC [-] {4} 507789;1392541000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00086659 = 5.6328 BTC [-] {2} 507790;1392541307;benkay;never put into the blockchain that which you can handle on your own machines. 507791;1392541427;jurov;http://xman.idnes.cz/foto.aspx?r=&c=A140206_105614_xman-styl_fro&foto=FRO51112d_Z_profimedia_0183244550.jpg for bait lovers 507792;1392541646;cads;drunk white redneck at an intersection next to a car full of black teenagers playing their music loud. Man starts arguing with the kids about the music, gets out of car. Argument ensues, man takes out gun an fires into the car. one kid is dead, the others uninjured. 507793;1392541696;cads;at trial the man's defense is that the kid menaced him with a gun. No gun is found at the scene and the defense argues that it is the state's burden to prove the gun was there. 507794;1392541717;cads;The jury convicts him on 3 counts of second degree attempted murder for the passengers 507795;1392541759;cads;and a count of firing into a vehicle 507796;1392541773;cads;but cannot come to a decision on the first degree murder charge against kid 507797;1392541790;cads;the judge instructs them that they may choose a lesser charge - 2nd degree, or manslaughter 507798;1392541803;cads;but they hang and a mistrial is declared 507799;1392541818;Namworld;Whut? 507800;1392541870;cads;this is a case for a shooting that happening in florida while the zimmerman trial/circus was going on 507801;1392541878;cads;a man named micheal dunn 507802;1392541917;cads;http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fatlantablackstar.com%2F2014%2F02%2F11%2Fprosecution-rests-case-murder-trial-michael-dunn-accused-killer-jordan-davis%2F&h=0&w=0&sz=1&tbnid=8sXFi_avG17bvM&tbnh=189&tbnw=267&zoom=1&docid=87r38dkSEbXN7M&ei=1YAAU6SuHMTAkQfgqYCoDQ&ved=0CAgQsCUoAg 507803;1392541928;cads;slimy looking redneck fuck if there was one... 507804;1392541943;cazalla;man needs a purple heart 507805;1392541946;Namworld;Looks like media can't cover stuff properly once again? 507806;1392541983;cads;Namworld: what you mean you're in the US? 507807;1392541984;cazalla;cads: you mean where they take a mugshot, which is likely the white mans worst day alive juxaposed with the nigras best day? 507808;1392541996;cazalla;too drunk to spell :\ 507809;1392542005;Namworld;nope 507810;1392542011;Namworld;I'm not. 507811;1392542017;cads;fuck yourself cazalla of course they 507812;1392542019;cads;do 507813;1392542026;cads;what sort of stupid question is that 507814;1392542047;Namworld;All medias would do that. 507815;1392542113;cads;in the zimmerman trial you saw juxtapositions of zimmerman looking all wellkempt next to trayvon looking like a thug on one media source 507816;1392542133;cazalla;he was a thug 507817;1392542136;cads;and pictures of trayvon a couple years younger looking angelic, next to zimmerman looking like a pile of crap 507818;1392542159;cads;every black kid is a thug 507819;1392542184;cads;Namworld: you think this is international news? 507820;1392542218;cads;I don't see what would have made it hard to find him guilty of manslaughter 507821;1392542232;cazalla;cads: he came from a broken home, was wandering the streets at night, dealing drugs, it was only a matter of time until it happened 507822;1392542252;benkay;i kinda begin to see why satoshi banged the client like he did 507823;1392542263;benkay;banged the client *out* 507824;1392542269;cads;I also wonder if the other kids in the car would have had opportunity to hide the weapon 507825;1392542275;cazalla;not that i care for zimmerman but given the media made it a black vs white issue and that black on white violence is the real issue, i can't help but smile to see him 6 foot under 507826;1392542276;cads;if /my/ shooter just got killed 507827;1392542288;cads;the least I can do for him is take his tool 507828;1392542293;cads;and hide it from the cops 507829;1392542301;cads;give him some dignity, you know? 507830;1392542316;benkay;asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: odds on the satoshi hoard moving to an unspendable address? 507831;1392542320;cazalla;perhaps they should listen to their music without disturbing the peace of others? 507832;1392542344;cazalla;there is nothing more rude than someone who plays their music within earshot of others and is oblivious to just how poor their taste is 507833;1392542383;cads;cazalla: but listen to yourself blithely say "well maybe they shouldn't annoy people", juxtaposed with the fact that a child was slaughtered. 507834;1392542403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 579 @ 0.00086704 = 0.502 BTC [+] 507835;1392542407;cazalla;it is what it is 507836;1392542419;cads;if white kids annoyed people and some black dude did the deed what would happen 507837;1392542431;cazalla;it's too late to complain your loud music draws attention after the fact 507838;1392542454;Namworld;I mean zimmerman case was probably too covered vs other cases. 507839;1392542476;Namworld;I'm not in the US and I've heard about it. 507840;1392542478;cazalla;zimmerman was just a cheap shot at whites, anti-racism meaning anti-white type crap 507841;1392542503;cazalla;the perp need not even be white to make it a black vs white issue these days 507842;1392542528;cazalla;which is why i have little sympathy for shot up black hoodlums, they do a good enough job of killing each other than we don't even need to string them up these days 507843;1392542545;cazalla;(and i think i've had enough port for this evening) 507844;1392542591;cads;so we have racists in the channel? 507845;1392542595;cads;who else? 507846;1392542607;cads;lets take a tally 507847;1392542708;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5418 @ 0.00087293 = 4.7295 BTC [+] 507848;1392542754;Namworld;I'll avoid voicing an opinion on a case I know little about. 507849;1392542778;jurov;ôôseens davout 507850;1392542784;jurov;;;seen davout 507851;1392542784;gribble;davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 hours, 5 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: 2015 -> "intern accidentally deletes mpex" 507852;1392542789;cads;the worst part about these cases is when you see these men become heros to these lowbrow whitefuk rednecks here stateside 507853;1392542820;cads;they want to be like zimmerman 507854;1392542833;cads;they CAN'T WAIT to put a slug in a nigger 507855;1392542841;cads;ooooh boy 507856;1392542846;cads;to do that and get away with it 507857;1392542848;cads;it's their drea 507858;1392542849;cads;m 507859;1392542868;cads;don't tell me it wouldn't fucking thrill you, cazalla 507860;1392542889;cads;to kill a little punk pygmy that's threating YOUR life 507861;1392542907;mircea_popescu;if anyone wants to read my poem: 507862;1392542909;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-letter-third/ 507863;1392542909;ozbot;The Letter Third pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 507864;1392542911;cazalla;it's a cheap thrill, i don't really care tbh, it occurs far away from me with people of which there are very few where i reside 507865;1392542921;mircea_popescu;benkay i have no idea. 507866;1392542949;cads;so killing someone to you is a "cheap thrill" 507867;1392542958;cads;but meh, you don't really care about it 507868;1392542984;mircea_popescu;i cant believe that thing is still a topic. srsly ? 507869;1392542990;mircea_popescu;who cares, some guy killed some guy. 507870;1392542998;cazalla;why are you so invested when 2 idiots find themselves in a situation no sensible person would, where 1 of them will die 507871;1392543091;cads;I mean ideally both idiots would be punished - one is already dead, and the other needs to get his. Not for some moral reason. Only to deter further idiots. 507872;1392543131;cazalla;why are you not up in arms about the countless nigras being shot up by other nigras, why are you so focused on zimmerman? because he is portrayed as white and it's in the media? i think that's the only reason 507873;1392543162;cads;when a black person shoots a black person he goes to jail 507874;1392543172;mircea_popescu;cads or maybe he should get a reward for punishing one idiot. 507875;1392543198;cads;these are children we're talking about. 507876;1392543201;mircea_popescu;you know a black idiot being punished for being an idiot isn't therefore being punished for being black. 507877;1392543209;mircea_popescu;apparently children can die as well as adults. 507878;1392543217;cads;better 507879;1392543227;mircea_popescu;probably even better. 507880;1392543228;cads;without leaving a trace 507881;1392543237;cazalla;teenagers aren't children 507882;1392543341;cads;legally a teenager is a child until 17 or 18 507883;1392543359;cazalla;you're being facetious now 507884;1392543378;cads;true 507885;1392543379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.00086915 = 25.2488 BTC [-] {2} 507886;1392543386;cads;I actually consider even 22 year olds to be kids 507887;1392543388;mircea_popescu;teenager is not defined legally afaik. 507888;1392543396;mircea_popescu;cads pasty ass white kids are children at 39. 507889;1392543396;cads;because they still think like fucking kids 507890;1392543406;mircea_popescu;kids that grow up on the streets are adults at 12. 507891;1392543421;cads;if that's true try talking to one about a 401k 507892;1392543436;mircea_popescu;methinks his 401k will beat your dad's 401k. 507893;1392543438;mircea_popescu;hands down. 507894;1392543440;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00297 = 0.1782 BTC [-] 507895;1392543451;cazalla;cads my point is this, a bunch of black teens driving around in an 82 corolla (thinking it's a 64 impala) blasting some rap music is going to attract the wrong type of attention, white man was stupid to react to it but this is how the world works 507896;1392543458;mircea_popescu;a particular facility to being taken advantage by the government is no particular qualification of maturity. 507897;1392543470;cads;my dad works 10 hour shifts 507898;1392543476;cads;he's too hardy for a 401k 507899;1392543486;mircea_popescu;well then you see my point. 507900;1392543501;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 240 @ 0.00290146 = 0.6964 BTC [-] {6} 507901;1392543529;cads;cazalla: that's not making a point, that's the standard argument 507902;1392543573;cazalla;well quit suggesting they are innocent and share no blame in their own death 507903;1392543587;mircea_popescu;original sean! 507904;1392543590;cazalla;it's like women who dress slutty and cry rape, you can't step into a lions cage and then complain he ate you 507905;1392543628;mircea_popescu;what if she was dressed like a slut specifically for me ? 507906;1392543634;mircea_popescu;do you now have license to help yourself too ? 507907;1392543664;cazalla;if you extend that license to me, yes 507908;1392543668;mircea_popescu;but i do not. 507909;1392543684;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00022187 = 1.1094 BTC [-] {13} 507910;1392543685;mircea_popescu;that'd be a sight, rapist obtaining prior permission from the male owner of the slut. 507911;1392543700;mircea_popescu;"yoiur honor, this wasn't rape. i asked some guy if it's ok." 507912;1392543709;cads;add a transaction to the mix and you have a pimp 507913;1392543714;cazalla;if you grant permission but it's rape, surely you are not the owner 507914;1392543736;mircea_popescu;incidentally, i hear that's why the trezor kid got shot. 507915;1392543748;mircea_popescu;some jew guy made a pie, the black kid ate the pie 507916;1392543757;mircea_popescu;the jew went "omg wtf you ate my pie for!" 507917;1392543768;mircea_popescu;and the nigger went "dude it smelled good! if you didn't want me to eat it 507918;1392543774;mircea_popescu;you shouldn't have made it smell good." 507919;1392543780;mircea_popescu;and so the jew got angry and shot him/ 507920;1392543808;mircea_popescu;and he got acquitted because the jury found the arguments unsavory. 507921;1392543812;cads;lesson is that women just need to start shooting their rapists 507922;1392543824;mircea_popescu;cads wouldn't that be rape ? 507923;1392543833;mircea_popescu;in that you know... the guy was trying to shoot it up her ? 507924;1392543878;mircea_popescu;they can, and they do. 507925;1392543883;cazalla;cads are you a sjw? 507926;1392543890;cads;sjw? 507927;1392543891;mircea_popescu;they just need an environment in which they feel safe and secure. 507928;1392543895;cazalla;social justice warrior 507929;1392543902;mircea_popescu;nah he's just a math geek. 507930;1392543910;mircea_popescu;they're a little touched. 507931;1392543951;cads;I do like to harass bigots though 507932;1392543960;cads;it's my own form of bigotry 507933;1392543973;cazalla;i was just about to ask that.. why are you bigotted against bigots 507934;1392543980;mircea_popescu;you mean you're intolerant with intolerance ? 507935;1392543999;chetty;bah you guys got no clue about rape 507936;1392544005;cazalla;btw cads, i'm fine with black people i have an acquataince with, it's the ones i don't that i'm suspect of, more so than whites i don't know 507937;1392544021;mircea_popescu;lol chetty epic statement. 507938;1392544036;mircea_popescu;cazalla youj know that's exactly what xenophobia is ? 507939;1392544051;cads;you think that if a black person is walking 40 feet behind me on a sidewalk, or if a white person is walking 40 feet behind me on a sidewalk, I don't prefer to be in the latter situation? 507940;1392544056;cads;even a black person prefers that 507941;1392544061;mircea_popescu;what srslky ?!@ 507942;1392544071;cads;err 507943;1392544074;cads;wait a second 507944;1392544078;cads;I mean I prefer 507945;1392544082;cazalla;i am xenophobic 507946;1392544087;cazalla;but that doesn't bother me 507947;1392544091;mircea_popescu;i am honestly not getting you two. 507948;1392544094;chetty;rape has nothing to do with sex - you confuse the issues 507949;1392544110;mircea_popescu;it seriously makes no difference to me. wtf difference does it make ? 507950;1392544124;cads;chetty: I later realized that the women are also physically threatened and harmed/killed during rape 507951;1392544147;cads;(I was a kid when I wondered that) 507952;1392544157;mircea_popescu;hence my comment, re "they can and they do, provided they have a safe environment in which to enjoy it" 507953;1392544160;cazalla;what difference does it make? 507954;1392544167;cazalla;or is that directed at cads 507955;1392544174;mircea_popescu;at both of you. 507956;1392544203;mircea_popescu;i noticed this before, too, us people are fucking weird. 507957;1392544211;cazalla;i don't like foreigners coming into my country and upsetting the WASP ratio 507958;1392544214;cads;we'll argue for the joy of arguing 507959;1392544222;cazalla;if i get to know them on a 1 to 1 level, that's OK 507960;1392544231;cads;we're not particularly mean to each other even when we're insulting :D 507961;1392544238;mircea_popescu;i get in a bus, i sit with the black people, white people are all giving me wtf is this ?!?! looks 507962;1392544251;cads;cazalla: right, that's how I am too 507963;1392544264;mircea_popescu;black people are all omg this guy is like dangerous. 507964;1392544276;cazalla;i'd happily chant for the random black person to be shot, shout obscentities and then invite the black neighbour over for a bbq same day 507965;1392544282;cazalla;we don't really have black people in australia anyway 507966;1392544286;mircea_popescu;you're nuts already. 507967;1392544298;mircea_popescu;the only sane conclusion is that you've paid about 100x too much attention to this race thing. 507968;1392544302;mircea_popescu;perhaps 1000x 507969;1392544308;cazalla;yeah, reading too much /pol/ lately 507970;1392544315;cazalla;+ drinking 507971;1392544340;mircea_popescu;da fuck difference does it make, even if you were in fucking somalia 507972;1392544348;mircea_popescu;most dudes there are you know, boring derps. 507973;1392544368;cazalla;yes i'm sure everyone is friendly to strangers in mogadishu 507974;1392544369;cads;cazalla: the thing about that is that is that's really some fuckshit, that's like having a gay friend over for a barbeque on saturday and secretly picketing with "GOD HATES FAGS" signs in sunday 507975;1392544379;cazalla;cads: that's me 507976;1392544385;cads;who would your friend think you were if he knew? 507977;1392544396;mircea_popescu;i'd expect he appreciates the prime trollage. 507978;1392544398;mircea_popescu;wouldn't you ? 507979;1392544416;cads;if you don't really give a fuck what you fag ass friend thinks, what kind of friend can he be? 507980;1392544422;mircea_popescu;maybe scribble a Why So Srs on the back of the sign just in case you run into people you know. 507981;1392544428;cads;hahaha 507982;1392544428;cazalla;cads: because he isn't a stranger 507983;1392544441;mircea_popescu;a great friend, inasmuch as you don't give a shit what he thinks on retarded topics 507984;1392544449;mircea_popescu;it will encourage him to spend more time thinking of better stuff. 507985;1392544461;mircea_popescu;win-win 507986;1392544466;cads;what I'm saying is that how would he feel about his friend being part of a cause that is out to menace him and people like him? 507987;1392544474;mircea_popescu;menace my foot. 507988;1392544478;cazalla;cads: case in point, my wife has a gay friend + indian (immigrant) to boot! i don't like degenerate faggots or immigrants but i don't mind him coming over for dinner, holding my son etc, strange huh 507989;1392544481;mircea_popescu;god gives cancer to people he doesn't hate, too. 507990;1392544491;cads;cazalla: that's not strange, that's human 507991;1392544500;mircea_popescu;cazalla that's only because he's not fingering your son yet. 507992;1392544510;cads;there's that, neh :P 507993;1392544511;mircea_popescu;(that you know about) 507994;1392544519;cazalla;mircea_popescu: i keep a close eye on him, don't you worry about that 507995;1392544525;mircea_popescu;good thinking. 507996;1392544533;cazalla;he is never with my son unsupervised 507997;1392544539;mircea_popescu;just to be sure, 507998;1392544543;cazalla;and baby monitor is good excuse to listen to all conversation going on in the loungeroom anyway 507999;1392544546;mircea_popescu;you should finger him at all times. 508000;1392544556;cads;make sure you get the first impression 508001;1392544564;mircea_popescu;impaction. 508002;1392544576;cazalla;gay friend or son? 508003;1392544581;cads;the fatherly touch 508004;1392544585;mircea_popescu;it just struck me about 500 people will be reading this log sunday morning with a hangover 508005;1392544589;cazalla;baby shits everywhere so it isn't a problem 508006;1392544590;mircea_popescu;and decide they really need new friends. 508007;1392544603;punkman;what kind of trollbox did I walk into 508008;1392544607;mircea_popescu;lmao 508009;1392544622;cads;The... horror. 508010;1392544623;cazalla;i've had a bottle of tawny port so i'm just about done 508011;1392544638;cads;eh cazalla you're arrite 508012;1392544648;cads;mixed up white man 508013;1392544650;cads;but arrite 508014;1392544661;punkman;no hangover, but drinking shall commence in 5 min 508015;1392544670;cads;and counding. 508016;1392544675;cazalla;still suss on you cads 508017;1392544683;cazalla;a bit too sjw-ish for me 508018;1392544713;cads;I offer something SJWs can't 508019;1392544715;cazalla;anyone who runs to the defense of unnamed blacks and supposed rape victims is suspect to me 508020;1392544718;cads;redemption. 508021;1392544721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00086676 = 13.2614 BTC [-] 508022;1392544736;cads;and freedom from sin! 508023;1392544742;mircea_popescu;cazalla maybe he just hasn't gotten laid in a really long time 508024;1392544747;mircea_popescu;white knighting is in white man's genes. 508025;1392544755;cazalla;maybe i haven't.. fucking kid and breast feeding :\ 508026;1392544770;cazalla;i swear to god i never knew breast feeding could fuck up a good pair of tits in 5 weeks 508027;1392544774;mircea_popescu;how's getting laid prevent you from breastfeeding ? 508028;1392544785;mircea_popescu;there's other positions than doggy style you know 508029;1392544800;cazalla;"don't touch them" "they are too sensitive" "no i'm still sore from pregnancy for sex" "i'm tired" etc etc 508030;1392544807;mircea_popescu;spank her 508031;1392544828;cazalla;nah, gonna go to a gentlemans room soon 508032;1392544841;cads;and spank something else 508033;1392544848;mircea_popescu;what's the point of having gentlemen's rooms in australia ? 508034;1392544850;cazalla;no-one wants saggy tits with sour milk stained shirt :\ 508035;1392544856;mircea_popescu;for tourists like ? 508036;1392544861;cazalla;although our son seems to love em 508037;1392544880;cazalla;nfi, never been to one 508038;1392544886;mircea_popescu;no wonder. 508039;1392544889;cazalla;we had plenty of sex prior to pregnancy and birth 508040;1392544914;cazalla;cads: he has blue eyes and blonde hair btw, couldn't be prouder 508041;1392544940;mircea_popescu;from an indian guy ?! 508042;1392544943;mircea_popescu;that must be rare. 508043;1392544956;cazalla;lol 508044;1392544965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00087293 = 11.7846 BTC [+] 508045;1392545049;cads;a handsome young Aryan I'm sure 508046;1392545060;cads;cazalla: you're a new dad? congrats 508047;1392545067;cazalla;ty cads 508048;1392545102;jurov;congrats, too. but don't spoil him :) 508049;1392545113;mircea_popescu;well maybe a little. 508050;1392545159;cazalla;that'll depend on bitcoin over the years to come 508051;1392545190;cads;:D 508052;1392545237;cazalla;i'll be sure to tell him to check his bitcoin privilege 508053;1392545264;cazalla;anyway, i'm off to bed 508054;1392545275;cazalla;it is interesting that when sober, i only lurk/read 508055;1392545283;cazalla;few drinks and i spew all sorts of bullshit :\ 508056;1392545328;cazalla;typica fkn aussies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmL72sgVdAQ 508057;1392545636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32887 @ 0.00087355 = 28.7284 BTC [+] {2} 508058;1392545848;cads;http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2014/02/internet_troll_personality_study_machiavellianism_narcissism_psychopathy.html 508059;1392545848;ozbot;Internet troll personality study: Machiavellianism, narcissism, psychopathy, sadism. 508060;1392545995;cads;heck, I have all of the dark tetrad 508061;1392546017;cads;and you know the best trolls honestly think they're not trolling 508062;1392546178;cads;blah the article blatantly ignores the self reporting bias in requiring trolls to identify as trolls 508063;1392546195;jurov;troll and proud 508064;1392546218;cads;but it's significant that self identifying trolls still scored horribly 508065;1392546244;cads;so while some trolls may have hiden themselves the real blatant ones decided "fuck, lets troll this test" 508066;1392546260;jurov;but really, do any non-narcissistic, well-aligned, non-machhiavellistic people exist? 508067;1392546313;jurov;afaik if they do, then they only lurk 508068;1392546409;cads;I dunnno I think trolls are free riders 508069;1392546423;cads;if you're a sadist you need to pay for your entertainment like the rest us 508070;1392546437;cads;trolls will be ejected from the dialog space soon. 508071;1392546449;cads;and will come back with more refined tactics 508072;1392546453;cads;as I am. 508073;1392546460;cads;we shall evolve 508074;1392546464;cads;we shall revise. 508075;1392546477;cads;we are legion ;) 508076;1392546505;jurov;since when the sadists must pay? 508077;1392546966;mircea_popescu; so while some trolls may have hiden themselves the real blatant ones decided "fuck, lets troll this test" << what the fuck does slate know. 508078;1392547038;mircea_popescu;debating issues that are important to you, chatting with others, making new friends, trolling others, and other. 508079;1392547039;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.0055 = 0.143 BTC [+] {2} 508080;1392547048;mircea_popescu;most fucktarded set of options ever. 508081;1392547071;cads;I have sent people to shock websites for the lulz. 508082;1392547071;cads;I like to troll people in forums or the comments section of websites. 508083;1392547071;cads;The more beautiful and pure a thing is, the more satisfying it is to corrupt. 508084;1392547074;mircea_popescu;"hi r retarded" "hi i am 12 and where does dildo go ?" "sanity" and "other" 508085;1392547087;cads;some people actually agree with such statements 508086;1392547095;mircea_popescu;you sound like the something awful crowd. 508087;1392547103;cads;sick people :P 508088;1392547106;cads;like us! :D 508089;1392547133;cads;those three lines I posted were from the slate article 508090;1392547139;cads;as examples of troll sentiments 508091;1392547147;mircea_popescu;o i 508092;1392547148;mircea_popescu;c 508093;1392547157;cads;I've been sending people to goatse.cx since I was 13 508094;1392547174;cads;tubgirl, etc. 508095;1392547184;cads;not lots of people, mostly friends 508096;1392547198;cads;and irc peers 508097;1392547222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3961 @ 0.00087357 = 3.4602 BTC [+] 508098;1392547232;cads;I like trolling particularly bad arguments on, god help me, facebook and youtube comments 508099;1392547269;cads;and who doesn't love corrupting the innocent? 508100;1392547275;mircea_popescu;i trolled a guy right here, and he enjoyed it. 508101;1392547284;mircea_popescu;your weaksauce sjwing not as much. 508102;1392547332;cads;beh fuck your guys' face with y'all white people acronyms 508103;1392547346;cads;rednecks 508104;1392547351;cads;;) 508105;1392547366;mircea_popescu;lol 508106;1392547379;mircea_popescu;wait, you're black too ? 508107;1392547384;cads;no 508108;1392547384;mircea_popescu;this place's really gone downhill. 508109;1392547539;mircea_popescu;"Once upon a time, there was an enchanted prince, who ruled the land beyond the wobbles. One day, he discovered a spot on his face. Foolishly, he ignored it...and three years later, he died of cancer. The spot, however, flourished, and soon set out to seek its fortune." 508110;1392547810;cads;"The game is essentially an abstract synthesis of all arts and sciences. It proceeds by players making deep connections between seemingly unrelated topics." 508111;1392547839;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so orlov finally found costa rica huh 508112;1392547893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27677 @ 0.00086869 = 24.0427 BTC [-] {2} 508113;1392548076;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.07 = 2.24 BTC [+] 508114;1392548230;Namworld;In Canada, people don't seem to care about immigrants. They all mix like it doesn't matter. I overheard someone at my old job say how he liked it so much more here than in the US because people weren't looking at him and less discrimination or something. 508115;1392548254;Namworld;Yet it doesn't seem like there's much difference between US and Canada to me in the culture. 508116;1392548337;cads;well there's a big difference even across the US 508117;1392548358;Namworld;Yes, guess it depends on the area. 508118;1392548401;Namworld;I'm in Montreal. I suppose that has some good on what I experience. 508119;1392548466;cads;wanna see a heat map of the geotagged tweets in the US using the word "nigger" in a negative sentiment? 508120;1392548476;Namworld;Sounds like fun 508121;1392548481;cads;http://cdn.frontpagemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/goh.png 508122;1392548496;cads;the data was normalized according to total twitter traffic 508123;1392548501;cads;lemme find the actual interactive map 508124;1392548519;cads;that lets you see the geography of all sorts of slurs 508125;1392548537;Namworld;Would be nice to have a population map too to put that in perspective. 508126;1392548539;mircea_popescu;fascinating : exactly the areas where black people live. 508127;1392548553;Namworld;That data too 508128;1392548556;mircea_popescu;cads how would you trust the negative sentiment detection ? 508129;1392548561;cads;http://users.humboldt.edu/mstephens/hate/hate_map.html# 508130;1392548562;ozbot;Hate Map 508131;1392548568;Namworld;Overlayed 508132;1392548588;cads;mircea_popescu: they paid students to manually code the statements for sentiment 508133;1392548606;cads;a little flaky but much better than automated sentiment detection, imo 508134;1392548612;mircea_popescu;fo sho 508135;1392548614;mircea_popescu;unless trolling 508136;1392548623;cads;right 508137;1392548653;cads;hopefully they blinded the kids enough to the geographic location that at least the overall shape is right 508138;1392548680;cads;mircea_popescu: actually 508139;1392548687;cads;the hate is /outside/ where blacks live 508140;1392548714;mircea_popescu;yeah it's at the north border of the space acually 508141;1392548717;cads;in little pods that correspond to high class suburbs or medium density rural 508142;1392548744;cads;and it drops off dramatically in the west, even for populated centers 508143;1392548775;cads;ie, LA has little proportion of the twitter bandwidth dedicated to "nigger" 508144;1392548792;mircea_popescu;californians lie. 508145;1392548821;mircea_popescu;your penny an hour students simple aren't sufficiently intellectually perverse to pick up on californian negative sentiment 508146;1392548861;cads;ahaah 508147;1392548897;cads;it would be hard to false positive a negative example of "nigger" :D 508148;1392548945;cads;there are a couple slurs in there like gook that are distributed in ways that seem completely arbitrary 508149;1392548973;mircea_popescu;i doubt you missed my point. 508150;1392549001;cads;I thought it was a jibe :) 508151;1392549039;cads;you're saying racist sentiment from white californians simply won't use the word 'nigger' 508152;1392549047;cads;which I'd grant you ten fold :D 508153;1392549089;cads;and indeed, this test has no way to protect against that 508154;1392549137;cads;hehe, the redneck that's been arguing against me on this one will enjoy your theory 508155;1392549176;mircea_popescu;lol 508156;1392549290;cads;maybe it's better to be surrounded by idiots that yell slurs than by smooth talking devils in suits 508157;1392549310;cads;one can take the latter group as chumps 508158;1392549318;cads;and lead them around by nose rings 508159;1392549335;cads;maybe not so for californians! 508160;1392549345;cads;err 508161;1392549347;cads;former group! 508162;1392549349;mircea_popescu;my experience with racism is that it's usually the problem of the people concerned with it. 508163;1392549375;cads;people affected by it mostly don't understand how it affects them 508164;1392549394;mircea_popescu;mno. people who spend a lot of time thinking about it end up being fucking weird. 508165;1392549404;mircea_popescu;people who couldn't care less generally aren't a problem to anyone. 508166;1392549451;mircea_popescu;i would say that your average "sensitive" idiot is about twice as noxious as your average "racist". 508167;1392549474;cads;I do like to bait them :P 508168;1392549479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26516 @ 0.00087104 = 23.0965 BTC [+] {2} 508169;1392549502;mircea_popescu;me too, but i kinda enjoy the first set more. 508170;1392549592;cads;keep in mind I and my brothers grew up here with a crappy accent as the cabbage eating weird kids that got picked on for our religion and culture 508171;1392549603;cads;remember romania is the mexico of europe to americans. 508172;1392549622;cads;so I've got some well placed hate for bigots and I'm okay with that for now 508173;1392549646;mircea_popescu;lol derp. 508174;1392549670;mircea_popescu;i don't think any us citizen alive today could pick out a romanian from a line-up if his anal virginity depended on it 508175;1392549701;chetty;really? 508176;1392549709;mircea_popescu;and you got picked out for being socially awkward and sexually unconvincing, not for "culture" 508177;1392549712;mircea_popescu;awkwardness is not culture. 508178;1392549738;cads;I'm not talking about in my adolescence, I'm talking about as a kid 508179;1392549756;mircea_popescu;picked on by who ? 508180;1392549855;mircea_popescu;well were they adults or other kids ? 508181;1392550002;cads;just kids and neighborhood bullies really 508182;1392550032;mircea_popescu;so other kids. socially awkward and sexually unconvincing. 508183;1392550043;mircea_popescu;what, you think sexual traits suddenly manifest at 18 ? 508184;1392550069;cads;well obviously socially ackward 508185;1392550089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00087575 = 8.3634 BTC [+] 508186;1392550092;cads;that's the fucking point, you're acting like people can't fucking treat socially ackward people with some fucking respect 508187;1392550101;cads;and I know that's false 508188;1392550128;cads;since people more or less treat me with respect despite my ackwardness 508189;1392550139;mircea_popescu;they can't. 508190;1392550147;mircea_popescu;the point is to help them overcome their issues. 508191;1392550151;mircea_popescu;this needs incentives. 508192;1392550163;mircea_popescu;"the beatings will continue until morale improves." 508193;1392550276;cads;I mean, a black kid in an all white classroom will be ackward. A boy with a vaganapenis will be ackward. A girl that wears a headdress is going to feel ackward. 508194;1392550284;mircea_popescu;just because people have meanwhile stopped giving a shit about you and your overall health and well being doesn't mean the people that used to care were wrong. 508195;1392550297;cads;why does it have to be an overburdening feeling though? 508196;1392550299;mircea_popescu;it's just meanwhile you live in a different sort of society, which is dispersed and disinterested. 508197;1392550314;mircea_popescu;it doesn't. it's up to them not to be. 508198;1392550401;cads;so by your counsel, would it have been up to the slaves to accept the burden, and would it have been your advice simply improve morale till the situation changes or you're lynched. 508199;1392550406;cads;? 508200;1392550440;mircea_popescu;no useful slave was ever lynched. 508201;1392550480;mircea_popescu;but yes, it is up to whoever to live his life, as his life is, rather than derp about how it should be. 508202;1392550509;mircea_popescu;i get it, everyone's special and dragons and the wrong gender and in the wrong time and insufficiently lottery winning. 508203;1392550516;mircea_popescu;not particularly interesting. 508204;1392550532;cads;so if someone is slandering you do you "derp about how it should be" or do you taking fucking recourse? 508205;1392550549;cads;or do you... "live your life" while your reputation is slandered? 508206;1392550555;mircea_popescu;well you may be inclined to review my record as the most slandered guy in the history of btc :) 508207;1392550560;cads;and take no offense or defense 508208;1392550621;Namworld;Had that in primary, living in the suburbs. Black kid in all white classroom. Had very few black people for the whole school. 508209;1392550631;cads;mircea_popescu: if I ever rape you in an alley one day you will limp back home, paste your asshole back together with some dabs of superglue and then tell no one and seek no revenge. 508210;1392550633;Namworld;Can't seem to recall any awkwardness to it. 508211;1392550645;cads;with that philosophy I can have you asshole when I want. 508212;1392550659;mircea_popescu;maybe i'll shoot you, what. 508213;1392550665;cads;that's the philosophy you want opressed kids to take 508214;1392550667;mircea_popescu;maybe you're the one getting raep'd. 508215;1392550687;mircea_popescu;no, that's just the strawman you find convenient lol 508216;1392550691;cads;well that's my point, you have built in recourse and you know how to exercise it 508217;1392550700;mircea_popescu;so do they, so can they. let them. 508218;1392550703;cads;you say you have it because you deserve it 508219;1392550714;cads;but you have it because you've been handed it 508220;1392550718;mircea_popescu;derp. 508221;1392550726;mircea_popescu;and if i have a business i didn't build that business ? 508222;1392550732;mircea_popescu;thank you obama for bitcoin and handing me mpex. 508223;1392550750;mircea_popescu;i suppose i owe tax nao too right ? 508224;1392550762;cads;you're saying if you were a nigger guinea you would have mpex. 508225;1392550766;cads;gtfo 508226;1392550775;mircea_popescu;i am a romanian in romania dood. 508227;1392550778;mircea_popescu;think it through. 508228;1392550802;cads;right, for the first thing you'd probably have been born in africa. 508229;1392550822;cads;good luck from that start. 508230;1392550823;mircea_popescu;i'd have been pretty much the same born whenever and wherever. 508231;1392550864;cads;born into the family of a destitute mother that couldn't feed you properly the first few years of your life? 508232;1392550891;cads;born into the family that lived in bitter poverty and taught you to take everything you can from the dole? 508233;1392550894;mircea_popescu;what makes you think i coud have been born to a destitute mother that couldn't feed me properly ? 508234;1392550904;mircea_popescu;what, we're equal nao ? 508235;1392550913;mircea_popescu;people aren't interchangeable. 508236;1392551003;cads;the part that really gets me is not that you can't imagine yourself as an average black person, weighted down with the average viral meme load and nonsense beliefs about finance and law and white people and everyone being out to get you 508237;1392551034;mircea_popescu;why am i not an average romanian weighted down with the average viral meme load and nonsense belief romanias get ? 508238;1392551040;mircea_popescu;what, you think blacks invented stupidity or soemthing ? 508239;1392551041;cads;but mostly that you think someone of your talent would get to the same place in life no matter what initial condition 508240;1392551047;mircea_popescu;this is exactly true. 508241;1392551064;mircea_popescu;the derpage about "conditions" is a very weak excuse. 508242;1392551079;mircea_popescu;i dunno who buys it, but judging by how often it needs to be repeated i would guess no one 508243;1392551194;cads;mircea_popescu: because you're not sampled from the sample space of romanians. You're sampled from the sample space of humans. You need to be concerned about the average expected outcome of humans if only because that's essential to collaborative solutions to problems. 508244;1392551210;mircea_popescu;what's the average gender of the human race ? 508245;1392551230;mircea_popescu;you're a clever guy, you know at least the basics of where statistics is meaningfully usable and where it isn't. 508246;1392551436;cads;hrm, is there no revolutionary effort you will have joined simply because you disagree with the way things are for a group of people you care about? 508247;1392551453;mircea_popescu;i have been at the forefront of fucking revolutionary effort lol. 508248;1392551473;mircea_popescu;that's the difference, i speak of things i know, you speak of things you dream and imagine. unflattering as that may sound. 508249;1392551500;cads;yeah that's a criticism I don't take lightly. 508250;1392551520;cads;and you can stop with any further expounding of that line now. 508251;1392551578;mircea_popescu;well, so you ever been in a revolution ? 508252;1392551584;mircea_popescu;and i don't mean on facebook, i mean with a gun. 508253;1392551682;cads;the closes to that is some underground cryptoanarchist stuff and some occupy bullshit, nothing with a gun.. yet, neh? 508254;1392551705;mircea_popescu;ok so then, if it's not your experience, why is it your preoccupation ? 508255;1392551706;cads;both efforts fell apart into violence and fighting with nothing I could do 508256;1392551759;cads;I mean, I went to rallies, I marched on board meetings, it was fun 508257;1392551781;cads;two friends in the 'movement' got into a fight at a rally 508258;1392551785;mircea_popescu;yes yes but my objection here is that you allow surogates to populate your mental forest. 508259;1392551796;mircea_popescu;which is in principle an evil. 508260;1392551800;cads;and police descended on them, broke bones, femur, put them in the hospital 508261;1392551812;mircea_popescu;a revolution is when you break the bones of the police 508262;1392551815;mircea_popescu;not the other way around. 508263;1392551823;mircea_popescu;this is the key aspect here. not that there is violence, 508264;1392551824;cads;exactly 508265;1392551830;mircea_popescu;but that the only limit to the violence is your own consicence. 508266;1392551842;mircea_popescu;and otherwise, everyone can go straight off to the guillotine. 508267;1392551946;mircea_popescu;but anyway, i'ma be off. we shall debate moar later! 508268;1392551990;cads;maybe I'll adress the mental forest thing, since I don't think you're entirely wrong, and I know it. 508269;1392552085;chetty;careful, MP's strange ideas grow on you 508270;1392552185;cads;it's the classic romanian "you know theory but you don't know practice" attack "o ai cu teoria. Dar practica te omoare." classic because every romanian has heard it from every other romanian they know, in one situation or another. 508271;1392552331;cads;Righteous Lecturing is actually Romania's official national past time, as I'm sure MP would acknowledge from his experiences with family, teachers, politicians, etc. :D 508272;1392552407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00087589 = 4.0291 BTC [+] {2} 508273;1392552590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14351 @ 0.00087531 = 12.5616 BTC [-] 508274;1392552590;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12256 = 0.6128 BTC [-] {2} 508275;1392552696;chetty;you are Romanian too cads? 508276;1392552743;cads;obviously not by choice :) 508277;1392552759;cads;how about you? what's your culture? 508278;1392552831;chetty;haha well I guess Romanain by choice would work - at least for the moment 508279;1392552991;cads;live in RO? 508280;1392552994;cads;or abroad? 508281;1392553011;cads;oh no 508282;1392553017;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0055 = 0.2475 BTC 508283;1392553030;cads;I just saw lawrence fishbourne do a Kia commercial in his Morpheus charachter! 508284;1392553042;cads;Had two sets of keys, one in each hand 508285;1392553052;chetty;live in RO atm 508286;1392553069;cads;he was a valet for christ sakes, and offers the driver the choice of two keys 508287;1392553080;cads;the driver picks the kia. the matrix is real. 508288;1392553098;chetty;course it is, was there ever any doubt? 508289;1392553203;cads;chetty: as if the second and third movies were not progressively worse scams, I am just hoping we don't see neo dodging... bad insurance quotes or something... 508290;1392553216;cads;"Geico. Whoa." 508291;1392553263;cads;let me keep at least /some/ piece of media holy and pure in my thoughts, I say! 508292;1392553279;chetty;I never watch sequels ..or TV, bad for your health (mental) 508293;1392553288;cads;^ this is a rapidly fading desire 508294;1392553293;cads;right 508295;1392553316;cads;I've learned to stop caring and throw myself into the long tail without any exterior curator 508296;1392553358;cads;future shock is a bitch sometimes though 508297;1392553570;cads;chetty: I mostly watch commericals, sound turned off, to study the visual rhetoric 508298;1392553612;cads;kinda perverse, I know... I don't do this much... stuff like the superbowl, or when I'm chilling on the couch with friends watching something 508299;1392553663;cads;I sanitize all the advertisements from my internet experience though, and get the large majority of my AV content from pirate channels 508300;1392553932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00087549 = 18.9544 BTC [+] 508301;1392554298;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+] 508302;1392554658;kakobrekla;;;ticker --market mtgox 508303;1392554659;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 250.3295, Best ask: 252.6, Bid-ask spread: 2.27050, Last trade: 249.47, 24 hour volume: 78979.07331245, 24 hour low: 247.0, 24 hour high: 540.0, 24 hour vwap: 333.23091 508304;1392555087;FabianB_;;;ticker --market all 508305;1392555092;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD last: 248.5, vol: 78869.04776296 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 633.0, vol: 16702.98226469 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 600.9, vol: 10841.20438 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 636.3, vol: 9196.50560524 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 655.01, vol: 44.65753383 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 635.753811, vol: 6328.89500000 | Volume-weighted last average: 381.946016093 508306;1392555152;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19433 @ 0.00087536 = 17.0109 BTC [-] {2} 508307;1392556128;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00087523 = 21.8808 BTC [-] 508308;1392556445;ThickAsThieves;dat ticker! 508309;1392556495;ThickAsThieves;yknow it would be really sad if gox opened and their users were buying up cheap coins and thus benefited from it's idiocy 508310;1392556516;ThickAsThieves;i guess omeone has to play the losing end 508311;1392556677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00087144 = 8.0172 BTC [-] 508312;1392557124;kakobrekla;anyone good at poker here? 508313;1392557165;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25594 @ 0.00087554 = 22.4086 BTC [+] {2} 508314;1392557179;ThickAsThieves;i hear some magic the gathering players are good at it 508315;1392557292;PsychoticBoy_;wanna buy a black lotus? 508316;1392557297;PsychoticBoy_;beta 508317;1392557310;PsychoticBoy_;got more old magic cards 508318;1392557312;PsychoticBoy_;;) 508319;1392557355;ThickAsThieves;"Unfortunately, new research suggests that's not the case — trolls' personalities correlate highly with sadism. " 508320;1392557380;ThickAsThieves;"A new study by Erin Buckels and her colleagues at the University of Manitoba found that trolls' personalities are strongly linked to personality traits that form what some psychologists call the Dark Tetrad: sadism, narcissism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism." 508321;1392557434;chetty;good description of this chan 508322;1392557479;ThickAsThieves;not enough isms though 508323;1392557620;ThickAsThieves;for example, contrarianism ^ 508324;1392557622;MisterE;whales are this is all over IRC today 508325;1392557631;MisterE;opps 508326;1392557641;ThickAsThieves;is that your brain wallet? 508327;1392557649;ThickAsThieves;:) 508328;1392557652;MisterE;already had some text inthe input line 508329;1392557664;MisterE;was gonna say whales are manipulating big time today 508330;1392557693;MisterE;and separately that the study is being talked about in many channels I'm in 508331;1392557816;ThickAsThieves;it's an imporrant development, learning trolls like to troll cuz theyre assholes 508332;1392557882;ThickAsThieves;another popular topic this morning, "how do i get cash into Gox quickly?" 508333;1392557894;ThickAsThieves;no wonder trolls exist... 508334;1392557958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00087659 = 6.9689 BTC [+] 508335;1392558153;chetty;in fairness there are also trolls that make you think - a lot of folks find that painful too 508336;1392558276;ThickAsThieves;nah 508337;1392558292;ThickAsThieves;i wont accept that all conflicting conversatinis trolling 508338;1392558308;deadweasel;i disagree :P 508339;1392558330;deadweasel;hi ThickAsThieves, morning 508340;1392558340;ThickAsThieves;herro 508341;1392558383;deadweasel;too much warm sake last night, with slices of jackfruit and vietnamese waitresses. 508342;1392558412;deadweasel;the grammar makes it seem like i'm eating slices of vietnamese waitresses. that was not the case. 508343;1392558418;ThickAsThieves;slices of waitresses? 508344;1392558428;ThickAsThieves;lol 508345;1392558432;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1y2287/just_got_an_email_from_mtgox/ 508346;1392558432;ozbot;Just got an email from mt.gox : Bitcoin 508347;1392558436;ThickAsThieves;i like the first comment 508348;1392558459;ThickAsThieves;i guess the kickstarter security leak data is being used to log into gox? 508349;1392558465;ThickAsThieves;pretty awesome 508350;1392558480;deadweasel;plunder that place senseless! 508351;1392558482;ThickAsThieves;hack sucker site #1 for obv access to sucker site #2 508352;1392558520;ThickAsThieves;"dont worry your funds arent going anywhere" 508353;1392558584;ThickAsThieves;http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/02/more-than-200-miners-trapped-south-africa-2014216131037223953.html 508354;1392558585;ozbot;Hundreds trapped in South African gold mine - Africa - Al Jazeera English 508355;1392558732;ThickAsThieves;;;market sell 2000 508356;1392558732;gribble;Bitstamp | A market order to sell 2000 bitcoins right now would net 1222350.0727 USD and would take the last price down to 603.4600 USD, resulting in an average price of 611.1750 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 170.4864 seconds 508357;1392558745;ThickAsThieves;;;market sell --mtgox 2000 508358;1392558745;gribble;(market sell [--usd] [--market ] ) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of bitcoins. If is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If '--usd' option is given, denotes the size of the order in USD. 508359;1392558759;ThickAsThieves;;;market sell 2000 --mtgox 508360;1392558759;gribble;(market sell [--usd] [--market ] ) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of bitcoins. If is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If '--usd' option is given, denotes the size of the order in USD. 508361;1392558771;pankkake;;;market sell --market mtgox 2000 508362;1392558773;gribble;MtGox | A market order to sell 2000 bitcoins right now would net 443737.1817 USD and would take the last price down to 207.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 221.8686 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0645 seconds 508363;1392558777;ThickAsThieves;ty 508364;1392558873;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57499898 BTC [+] 508365;1392559056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12164 @ 0.00087695 = 10.6672 BTC [+] 508366;1392559239;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.070399 = 0.2112 BTC [+] 508367;1392559361;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.070399 = 0.2816 BTC [+] 508368;1392559362;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07011 = 0.2804 BTC [+] 508369;1392559490;kakobrekla;coinion.com/news/world/2014/02/more-than-2000-bitcoin-miners-trapped-over-huge-diff-increase 508370;1392559971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1736 @ 0.00087695 = 1.5224 BTC [+] 508371;1392560032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10915 @ 0.00087659 = 9.568 BTC [-] 508372;1392560337;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57499898 BTC [+] 508373;1392560374;Apocalyptic;.d 508374;1392560374;ozbot;2621404453.06462 | Next Diff in 81 blocks | Estimated Change: 18.7724% in 0d 10h 50m 43s 508375;1392560428;ThickAsThieves;http://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/02/16/long-term-update-3-days-chart-at-bitstamp/ 508376;1392560429;ozbot;Long Term Update: 3 days chart at Bitstamp | Bitcoin Trading Signals 508377;1392560436;ThickAsThieves;Enky makes good posts 508378;1392560451;ThickAsThieves;in case you guys dont already follow him 508379;1392560474;ThickAsThieves;although his prediction of $200 on bitstamp is hard to digest 508380;1392560492;ThickAsThieves;wait i read that wrong 508381;1392560503;ThickAsThieves;he meant -$200 508382;1392560652;kakobrekla;he is here under Enky2 508383;1392560657;kakobrekla;fyi 508384;1392560704;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00087735 = 15.222 BTC [+] 508385;1392560942;ThickAsThieves;word 508386;1392561108;ThickAsThieves;still waiting for my btc withdrawal from OpenEx... 508387;1392561191;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 46 @ 0.19376446 = 8.9132 BTC [+] 508388;1392561225;Apocalyptic;according to their chatbox there are people complaining too 508389;1392561299;ThickAsThieves;i didnt even see the chatbox heh 508390;1392561313;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 12 @ 0.07504333 = 0.9005 BTC [-] {4} 508391;1392561326;ThickAsThieves;these elastic designs arent always practical for large monitors 508392;1392561375;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00024751 = 0.495 BTC [+] {6} 508393;1392562045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00087739 = 18.4252 BTC [+] 508394;1392562350;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2011 @ 0.00024762 = 0.498 BTC [+] {2} 508395;1392562472;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 69 @ 0.00557526 = 0.3847 BTC [+] {8} 508396;1392562717;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.067108 = 0.3355 BTC [-] {2} 508397;1392562777;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 508398;1392562891;the20year1;dang, gox is 270 508399;1392564302;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.125 = 0.5 BTC [+] 508400;1392564424;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 508401;1392564524;kakobrekla;dont listen to rap kids 508402;1392564525;kakobrekla;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-26217014 508403;1392564526;ozbot;BBC News - Man guilty of 'loud music' shootings 508404;1392564607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00087739 = 6.9314 BTC [+] 508405;1392564668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11889 @ 0.0008782 = 10.4409 BTC [+] {2} 508406;1392564690;asciilifeform;epic troll: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/fitzpatrick-snowden-01.pdf 508407;1392565570;Bugpowder;Interesting... MPEX options exercise is not executing at the bitcoincharts.com price. 508408;1392565644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00087882 = 23.9918 BTC [+] {2} 508409;1392566193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24855 @ 0.00087915 = 21.8513 BTC [+] {2} 508410;1392566498;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.0002469 = 1.2345 BTC [+] {8} 508411;1392566559;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00024764 = 1.2382 BTC [+] {5} 508412;1392566620;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19450 @ 0.00024888 = 4.8407 BTC [+] {12} 508413;1392566803;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57499899 BTC [+] 508414;1392566864;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 623 @ 0.00024989 = 0.1557 BTC [+] {2} 508415;1392567047;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57499899 BTC [+] 508416;1392567108;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07076966 = 0.2123 BTC [+] {2} 508417;1392567230;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57499899 = 1.15 BTC [+] 508418;1392567231;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00297498 = 0.1666 BTC [+] 508419;1392567291;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 176 @ 0.00565493 = 0.9953 BTC [+] {7} 508420;1392567292;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.072 = 0.36 BTC [+] 508421;1392567352;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00569999 = 0.1425 BTC [+] {4} 508422;1392567747;FabianB_;Bugpowder: what's it executing at instead? 508423;1392567782;Bugpowder;Your order to exercise 1 O.USD.P500T contracts has been received and will be executed. This will net you 0.83109870 BTC. 508424;1392567836;Bugpowder;So about $535. 508425;1392567854;Bugpowder;Maybe that was the last quoted price before the MPOEbot went down. 508426;1392567856;FabianB_;that's more like the 7 days 508427;1392568084;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 556 @ 0.00024989 = 0.1389 BTC [+] 508428;1392568267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00087693 = 15.1709 BTC [-] {3} 508429;1392568981;nubbins`;hi 508430;1392569243;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07228571 = 1.012 BTC [+] {3} 508431;1392569975;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.76594243 BTC to 1`841 shares, 95923 satoshi per share 508432;1392570055;deadweasel;hey nubbins` 508433;1392570097;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 0.43004790 BTC to 9`595 shares, 4482 satoshi per share 508434;1392570100;nubbins`;what's the haps? 508435;1392570187;ThickAsThieves;http://i.imgur.com/9fEN4EO.jpg 508436;1392570283;nubbins`;oooooof 508437;1392570322;nubbins`;"my blue jeans and tucked-in t-shirt will make this sword look even more realistic" 508438;1392570400;KRS-One;lol what an infant. 508439;1392570402;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7541 @ 0.0008793 = 6.6308 BTC [+] 508440;1392570461;ThickAsThieves;he hasnt changed like at all 508441;1392570467;ThickAsThieves;just rounder 508442;1392570585;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0672 = 0.2688 BTC [-] 508443;1392570768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00087563 = 13.4847 BTC [-] {2} 508444;1392571134;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.125 = 0.375 BTC [+] 508445;1392572049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00087942 = 14.4225 BTC [+] {3} 508446;1392572255;deadweasel;is that a current pic 508447;1392572257;deadweasel;? 508448;1392572270;deadweasel;of magicaltwat? 508449;1392572285;kakobrekla;from the latest facebook update. 508450;1392572372;Bugpowder;nice form 508451;1392572415;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 50 @ 0.05823982 = 2.912 BTC [-] {17} 508452;1392572465;deadweasel;oh my. 508453;1392573025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00087707 = 13.463 BTC [-] 508454;1392573025;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.06723333 = 0.4034 BTC [+] {2} 508455;1392573086;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.002963 = 0.1333 BTC [-] 508456;1392573452;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.128 = 0.384 BTC [+] {2} 508457;1392573513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26150 @ 0.00087707 = 22.9354 BTC [-] 508458;1392573636;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 48 @ 0.12210834 = 5.8612 BTC [-] {4} 508459;1392573808;asciilifeform;waitwhat - the fat man carries a sword? 508460;1392573847;kakobrekla;dunno, perhaps its a magic the gathering thing 508461;1392573879;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.19376446 = 5.8129 BTC [+] 508462;1392573900;asciilifeform;my first thought was, it's against angry creditors 508463;1392573972;Bugpowder;Tux rubs his +4 longsword of summoning... A venté vanilla chai latte appears! 508464;1392574550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002963 = 0.2963 BTC [-] 508465;1392574672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00087676 = 14.1597 BTC [-] {2} 508466;1392575465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 650 @ 0.00087607 = 0.5694 BTC [-] 508467;1392576685;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 192 @ 0.002963 = 0.5689 BTC [-] 508468;1392576990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00087625 = 28.3905 BTC [+] {3} 508469;1392577112;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.07256999 = 3.6285 BTC [+] {4} 508470;1392577234;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07299999 = 0.803 BTC [+] 508471;1392577356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27450 @ 0.00087882 = 24.1236 BTC [+] {2} 508472;1392577417;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.073 = 1.679 BTC [+] 508473;1392577966;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.06714 = 0.3357 BTC [-] {4} 508474;1392578515;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.128 = 0.384 BTC [+] 508475;1392578601;Bugpowder;$600 stamp 508476;1392578618;asciilifeform;http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/16/us/eavesdropping-ensnared-american-law-firm.html 508477;1392578634;Bugpowder;My buddy is at that firm 508478;1392578635;Bugpowder;heheh 508479;1392578650;Bugpowder;595 508480;1392578668;Bugpowder;I'm getting itchy... wanna buy on coinbase. 508481;1392579002;kakobrekla;ritchy. 508482;1392579064;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 198 @ 0.073 = 14.454 BTC [+] 508483;1392579065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7799 @ 0.00087546 = 6.8277 BTC [-] 508484;1392579241;ThickAsThieves;bugpowder, youre a buyer in the 500s? 508485;1392579269;Bugpowder;haven't pulled trigger yet. 508486;1392579282;Bugpowder;thinking about an entry tho 508487;1392579290;ThickAsThieves;was thinking same, but seems like it could go to 565 508488;1392579303;Bugpowder;might just start scaling in. 508489;1392579308;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.073 = 4.38 BTC [+] 508490;1392579324;Bugpowder;last buy I made was at $700 a month or two ago. 508491;1392579331;ThickAsThieves;hard to predict what will happen if gox opens too 508492;1392579336;Bugpowder;price goes up 508493;1392579340;Bugpowder;not that hard to predict 508494;1392579342;ThickAsThieves;and then down? 508495;1392579346;ThickAsThieves;on stasmp 508496;1392579357;Bugpowder;it think it rallies everywhere 508497;1392579363;ThickAsThieves;yeah at first 508498;1392579371;ThickAsThieves;i guess thats all we need 508499;1392579393;Bugpowder;I'm not a trader so... I don't really care about the next 3 months 508500;1392579401;Bugpowder;Just want lowest entry 508501;1392579410;ThickAsThieves;i trade but go long when i get stuck :) 508502;1392579442;Bugpowder;some defense of 600 at stamp 508503;1392579446;ThickAsThieves;with a small portion of coins really 508504;1392579589;Bugpowder;Did u see that options exercise is happening at the wrong price? 508505;1392579601;FabianB;;;ticker --market all 508506;1392579607;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD last: 247.0, vol: 83120.16093865 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 610.0, vol: 23766.41845250 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 582.999, vol: 16671.38148 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 609.5, vol: 11813.83308207 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 641.0, vol: 68.53288743 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 623.844733, vol: 8032.04500000 | Volume-weighted last average: 397.308574612 508507;1392579705;ThickAsThieves;well "wrong" depends on who you ask ;) 508508;1392579731;FabianB;it's supposed to ask bitcoincharts 508509;1392579735;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0672 = 0.1344 BTC [+] 508510;1392579787;Bugpowder;the bottom is in! 508511;1392579790;Bugpowder;missed it :( 508512;1392579821;ThickAsThieves;nah 508513;1392579829;ThickAsThieves;waitll tonight or tomorrow 508514;1392579835;ThickAsThieves;when gox says "sike!" 508515;1392579918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.00087994 = 47.1648 BTC [+] {4} 508516;1392579918;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00218173 = 0.9818 BTC [+] 508517;1392580002;benkay;"but the supreme court dismissed their fear as 'speculative'" 508518;1392580065;benkay;hm. maybe start a consulting company around "secure international comms" 508519;1392580071;benkay;sell everyone cardanos at 1000x markup. 508520;1392580104;benkay;defo gotta leave the us before doing that. 508521;1392580286;asciilifeform;benkay: what kind of idiot would buy at 1000x? 508522;1392580345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00088041 = 18.2245 BTC [+] {2} 508523;1392580346;benkay;the kind of idiots who don't know about cardanos to begin with. 508524;1392580358;pankkake;put a half eaten fruit on it 508525;1392580374;asciilifeform;i imagine there will be 1,000 of these once the plans are published. 508526;1392580399;benkay;asciilifeform: the cardanos come free with the implementation package for your two organizations. 508527;1392580467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9341 @ 0.00087531 = 8.1763 BTC [-] {2} 508528;1392580688;asciilifeform;one problem with this scheme is, as far as i can see, in order to want a cardano in the first place one needs a modicum of brains. 508529;1392580714;benkay;this is the enterprise sales problem. 508530;1392580766;benkay;there are fifty people over there - and only one with a checkbook and the brains to recognize a solution that needs implementing, frequently attended by much organizational resistance to doing anything. 508531;1392580786;benkay;nevertheless, that law firm needs some cardanos and training on how to use them. 508532;1392580832;benkay;besides they get to mark up the time spent fucking around with encryption to their clients - it's a win win win win win! 508533;1392580899;asciilifeform;if you personally can make this happen, talk to mp! 508534;1392580946;asciilifeform;the folks you're talking about might be a hard sell. they'd need to be talked out of their addiction to 'standards-compliant' (read: u.s.-diddled) turdware. 508535;1392580955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0735 = 0.735 BTC [+] 508536;1392581005;benkay;if the opportunity presents itself i'd be happy to. i'm not about to cold-call all the international law firms in dc, though. 508537;1392581011;benkay;although... 508538;1392581057;benkay;so the flipside of the additiction to 'standards-compliant' is that now some people in big cushy chairs are finally getting the idea that their standards are just a backdoor for the us of a. 508539;1392581077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00087413 = 17.7448 BTC [-] 508540;1392581086;asciilifeform;there is another, trickier problem that must be finessed. 508541;1392581115;asciilifeform;the clever ones will be very suspicious of anything presented as a pill against usg. 508542;1392581174;asciilifeform;on the other hand, witness all the lost souls salivating over 'silent circle' and related crap. 508543;1392581284;benkay;there is an awful chasm between people who want encryption and people who are willing to operate under the inconvenience of actual security. 508544;1392581289;asciilifeform;the 'good cop bad cop' algorithm is as old as mankind. 508545;1392582636;KRS-One;.bait 508546;1392582648;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m72h4wROLM1qkzao6o1_1280.jpg 508547;1392582661;KRS-One;.bait 508548;1392582679;twizt;pretty slow bait 508549;1392582679;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3np4jEXuS1r1c0w7o1_500.jpg 508550;1392582691;KRS-One;wtf is that? ONE boob? 508551;1392582695;KRS-One;.bait 508552;1392582711;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8u5cyYHuw1rr6uq1o1_500.jpg 508553;1392582711;KRS-One;=/ 508554;1392582719;KRS-One;fuck yea 508555;1392582732;Mats_cd03;could anyone recommend a reputable whois privacy service 508556;1392582739;KRS-One;Safenames 508557;1392582748;KRS-One;teh best i ever found as a sysadmin 508558;1392582780;nubbins`;few better ways to spend a sunday than calculating your net worth while enjoying a large mug of aeropress coffee 508559;1392582814;Mats_cd03;thx qt 508560;1392582882;benkay;eyo nubbins` 508561;1392582900;nubbins`;oh hi 508562;1392582902;benkay;BingoBoingo's nominally gathering up the satoshi letters 508563;1392582918;benkay;you should enbookify 'em 508564;1392582924;KRS-One;oh wow aeropress is much less acidic 508565;1392582945;nubbins`;the satoshi letters? 508566;1392582946;benkay;but subject of coffee, y'all ever fuck with the clever brewer? 508567;1392582956;nubbins`;KRS-One, it's what got me drinking black. 508568;1392582961;Mats_cd03;lol 'the satoshi letters' 508569;1392582962;KRS-One;wow black rly 508570;1392582970;KRS-One;is it plasic or glass? I hate plastic 508571;1392582972;benkay;nubbins`: yeah all of the things that szabo/satoshi wrote over the past 5 years or so 508572;1392582983;nubbins`;benkay: haven't tried the clever, but i do enjoy a good pour-over 508573;1392582994;nubbins`;benkay, i'd publish that 508574;1392583014;benkay;nubbins`: what i love about the clever is that it combines the extraction time of the french press with the filtering of the pour over 508575;1392583025;benkay;super precision coffee making 508576;1392583025;KRS-One;wiki doesnt say if aeropress is glass or plastic 508577;1392583030;benkay;it's plastic. 508578;1392583033;benkay;everything's plastic. 508579;1392583036;KRS-One;i'm a coffee snob 508580;1392583042;KRS-One;heat + plastic doesnt work well with me 508581;1392583054;KRS-One;plastic in fucken general 508582;1392583060;benkay;FUKKEN PLASTIC 508583;1392583061;nubbins`;aeropress is great 508584;1392583066;nubbins`;guy who invented the aerobie made it 508585;1392583068;KRS-One;ever drink water out of a plastic bottle? u can taste it 508586;1392583072;KRS-One;u cant tell me thats not bad for u 508587;1392583075;nubbins`;not sure offhand what type of plastic it's made from 508588;1392583085;benkay;hey KRS-One there are a bunch of different kinds of plastics 508589;1392583094;benkay;but hiding from them all in fear is a pretty safe approach. 508590;1392583098;nubbins`;http://aerobie.com/Products/Details/AeroPressMaterialsDescription.htm 508591;1392583115;KRS-One;whoever is in charge of plastic can shove them all up his ass. 508592;1392583119;nubbins`;heh 508593;1392583125;KRS-One;Sorry I just have a thing about plastic. 508594;1392583134;nubbins`;don't be sorry 508595;1392583135;KRS-One;i think its killing us 508596;1392583143;nubbins`;remember when everyone thought BPA was safe? 508597;1392583153;nubbins`;"oh whoops it's not lel sorry" 508598;1392583154;KRS-One;yeah 508599;1392583167;Mats_cd03;i consume 500ug of bpa every day 508600;1392583179;Mats_cd03;it makes me feel normal 508601;1392583186;KRS-One;what do u get it from 508602;1392583191;nubbins`;anyway, copolyester is what the aeropress is made of 508603;1392583199;KRS-One;nubbins`: thats better 508604;1392583214;KRS-One;it holds up to heat ok? 508605;1392583225;nubbins`;yeah, i brew at 80C 508606;1392583235;nubbins`;have been using one for ~3 years now, no signs of degradation 508607;1392583264;benkay;the clever's seal blows out after about 3 years of constant use 508608;1392583269;kakobrekla;yeah i need to get one of thsoe to try it out 508609;1392583272;nubbins`;"The AeroPress is made of three different plastics. The clear chamber and plunger are made of copolyester. The hard black filter cap, filter holder, funnel, and stirrer are made of polypropylene. The rubber like seal on the end of the plunger is made of a thermoplastic elastomer. All of these materials are FDA approved for use in contact with food. None of these materials contain bisphenol-A 508610;1392583272;nubbins`;(BPA) or any phthalates, chemicals that have been in the news lately because of possible health effects." 508611;1392583281;nubbins`;we have two ;( 508612;1392583301;nubbins`;as long as you don't store the aeropress with the plunger compressed, it should last forever 508613;1392583316;KRS-One;what do they have against glass and stainless steel? 508614;1392583318;KRS-One;more elegant 508615;1392583323;benkay;so make one 508616;1392583345;KRS-One;for instance, to smoke herb out of a nice ROOR Bong is a completely different experience than a fricken plastic one. 508617;1392583396;nubbins`;that link i pasted actually talks about glass and metal 508618;1392583432;nubbins`;consider that if ROOR made an aeropress it'd probably cost $200 508619;1392583459;kakobrekla;i thought we were past foodstamps here 508620;1392583460;nubbins`;and although you could probably throw it at a brick wall without breaking, that's probably not enough to justify the cost 508621;1392583463;kakobrekla;o wait 508622;1392583469;kakobrekla;;;ticker --market mtgox 508623;1392583470;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 244.40967, Best ask: 246.995, Bid-ask spread: 2.58533, Last trade: 246.995, 24 hour volume: 85327.37931997, 24 hour low: 220.29327, 24 hour high: 540.0, 24 hour vwap: 308.78456 508624;1392583471;KRS-One;they are cheap 508625;1392583472;kakobrekla;nevermind that. 508626;1392583476;KRS-One;$25 USD on ThinkGeek 508627;1392583480;KRS-One;I shall try one 508628;1392583499;nubbins`;don't bother with a spare pack of filters, they give you like 300 508629;1392583504;KRS-One;wow 508630;1392583517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00087262 = 13.831 BTC [-] 508631;1392583541;nubbins`;fair warning, they suggest you use a large number of beans per cup 508632;1392583547;nubbins`;like 2x what you'd use for drip 508633;1392583613;benkay;that's always struck me as an indicator of inefficiency 508634;1392583683;nubbins`;compensates for the 30 second brew time 508635;1392583699;nubbins`;you can get away with using less, tho 508636;1392583700;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] 508637;1392583701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10354 @ 0.00087262 = 9.0351 BTC [-] 508638;1392583721;nubbins`;the aeropress actually makes an "espresso-like concentrate", that you then top up with hot water 508639;1392583753;nubbins`;inventor ragequit the coffeegeek forums after a months-long argument about whether it's "espresso" or not :D 508640;1392583898;kakobrekla;well its pressed and its express 508641;1392583902;kakobrekla;how can it not be espresso 508642;1392583944;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55000481 BTC [-] 508643;1392583953;nubbins`;KRS-One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mdATGyziIY 508644;1392583971;Mats_cd03;whats worse than audio geeks? coffee nerds 508645;1392584028;kakobrekla;what you get so stoned you cant hold your bong anymore? 508646;1392584064;nubbins`;kakobrekla, the lel is that those bongs cost several hundred dollars apiece 508647;1392584076;nubbins`;and it's assumed that their owners are just going to start dropping them off tables etc 508648;1392584109;kakobrekla;you could hit someone on the head if you could remember who you wanted to hit 508649;1392584114;nubbins`;Mats_cd03: what's worse than people who like things? people who don't think you should like the things you like 508650;1392584119;nubbins`;kakobrekla, +! 508651;1392584121;nubbins`;+1 even 508652;1392584162;benkay;nubbins`: 'cause i really want my house smelling of bong water. 508653;1392584162;Mats_cd03;i like coffee, thc, and pussy 508654;1392584169;kakobrekla;well, its a saying, tell me who you hang out with and ill tell you who you are 508655;1392584176;Mats_cd03;i dont go on forums and post walls of text about any of those though 508656;1392584185;kakobrekla;pretty much same goes for , tell me what you like and ill tell you if you are a retard 508657;1392584204;nubbins`;Mats_cd03: unsure if i should offer congratulations 508658;1392584212;Mats_cd03;i guess i'm a consumer 508659;1392584219;Mats_cd03;not a connoiseur though 508660;1392584255;nubbins`;kakobrekla: i like bitcoin, coffee, bicycles, and printing 508661;1392584288;kakobrekla;you are fine 508662;1392584295;kakobrekla;except for the mac thing. 508663;1392584303;benkay;he's also a filthy pothead 508664;1392584305;pankkake;but printing is evil! 508665;1392584317;dub;i like white wimminz 508666;1392584341;nubbins`;heh 508667;1392584343;Mats_cd03;printing steals jobs from hard working bangladeshis and chinese 508668;1392584348;nubbins`;right, yeah, i like my laptop and drugs, too 508669;1392584352;Mats_cd03;(we're talking about 3d printing here right) 508670;1392584357;nubbins`;nah, 2d printing 508671;1392584363;nubbins`;what the fuck is 3d printing 508672;1392584366;kakobrekla;and those stupid cas coins. 508673;1392584377;nubbins`;yes, those stupid coins too 508674;1392584391;kakobrekla;you are not fine! 508675;1392584391;benkay;so kakobrekla nubbins` retarded or not? 508676;1392584392;nubbins`;did i tell you i sold one of those for 6btc recently? :0 508677;1392584439;kakobrekla;benkay its a hard case. 508678;1392584448;nubbins`;borderline retarded 508679;1392584455;kakobrekla;bikes coffee and bitcoin aint bad. 508680;1392584465;kakobrekla;mp would argue with the bike thing. 508681;1392584487;nubbins`;sure, but we're not all vulgar enough to have a driver cart us around ;p 508682;1392584507;benkay;hey d_rebel what's your deal 508683;1392584514;benkay;d_rebel why u change names constantly 508684;1392584518;Mats_cd03;what does cas come loaded with? 5btc? 508685;1392584530;nubbins`;Mats_cd03, there are a variety of denominations, from 0.1btc to 1000btc 508686;1392584549;Mats_cd03;o 508687;1392584579;kakobrekla;any they are _all_ useless pretty much 508688;1392584599;nubbins`;well don't tell that to the guy who paid 6btc for one loaded with 0.5btc 508689;1392584606;benkay;BWAT 508690;1392584607;d_rebel;i have no idea why that's happening. 508691;1392584609;kakobrekla;dafuq 508692;1392584625;nubbins`;it was an especially low mintage. 508693;1392584636;benkay;you crazy numismatists 508694;1392584636;kakobrekla;you mean especially retarded fella 508695;1392584644;nubbins`;well yes, that too 508696;1392584649;Mats_cd03;robbed 508697;1392584653;benkay;scammer! 508698;1392584660;nubbins`;hey, fuck you guys 508699;1392584660;benkay;nubbins` u scamzor! 508700;1392584663;nubbins`;he knew what he was buying 508701;1392584670;benkay;so do all pmb purchasers 508702;1392584674;nubbins`;HAH 508703;1392584676;nubbins`;no they don't 508704;1392584683;assbot;Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1626821/plain/) 508705;1392584683;kakobrekla;!b 10 508706;1392584713;benkay;nubbins` you just lost the moral high ground. 508707;1392584714;kakobrekla;maybe needs more contxt, ill decide later 508708;1392584718;assbot;Last 30 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1626823/plain/) 508709;1392584718;kakobrekla;!b 30 508710;1392584722;nubbins`;"assuming network difficulty stays the same..." 508711;1392584732;nubbins`;benkay, there's moral high ground in here? 508712;1392584756;nubbins`;pmb purchasers think "hey, mining = win" and the sellers say "assuming diff doesn't change..." 508713;1392584761;kakobrekla;hmm 508714;1392584763;Mats_cd03;KRS-One: how is whoisguard compared to safenames 508715;1392584764;benkay;"assuming this mintage is worth more than the underlying in the future" 508716;1392584771;kakobrekla;wasnt nubbing nagging someone couple of days or weeks ago 508717;1392584779;nubbins`;numismatic collectors think "hey, this will be worth more money in the future" and sellers say "maybe, dunno" 508718;1392584782;kakobrekla;re high moral grounds n stuffs 508719;1392584792;benkay;face it man we're all just dancing around trying to fuck each other 508720;1392584798;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0738 = 0.1476 BTC [+] 508721;1392584801;nubbins`;kakobrekla, i was giving tat grief over his rubecoin and pmb 508722;1392584804;Mats_cd03;id fuck you 508723;1392584809;benkay;yeah he's been banging on about pmbs being a scam 508724;1392584813;kakobrekla;ah yes . 508725;1392584817;pankkake;scammers scamming scammers 508726;1392584817;benkay;hasn't had the stones to call mp out on the same scam tho 508727;1392584833;kakobrekla;which one is that 508728;1392584838;nubbins`;f.pure.synth 508729;1392584844;nubbins`;AFAICT that was a scam too 508730;1392584855;nubbins`;just offered at a better rate than other similar scams 508731;1392584858;kakobrekla;lol 508732;1392584859;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00569999 = 0.3306 BTC [+] {3} 508733;1392584861;benkay;it's allllll just paper. 508734;1392584877;benkay;whether it's fancy paper with imaginary value now, or metal stamped paper with imaginary value in the future. 508735;1392584878;Chris_Sabian_;what about TAT? 508736;1392584881;nubbins`;anyway, all the info on f.pure.synth seems to be gone 508737;1392584890;nubbins`;so i wasn't able to suss out many details 508738;1392584946;benkay;it's not terribly complex. it's a pmb. 508739;1392584959;nubbins`;sure, but it was somehow tied into another pmb 508740;1392584967;benkay;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=65569.0 508741;1392584969;benkay;that'n 508742;1392584987;ozbot;[GLBSE] PureMining: Infinite-term, deterministic mining bond 508743;1392584988;nubbins`;yeah, it was essentially offering the same returns as that 508744;1392584992;nubbins`;but for a lower price 508745;1392585013;benkay;point is - life is a scam. 508746;1392585026;nubbins`;that's one outlook, yes 508747;1392585047;nubbins`;life's a scam, so you better try to get yours! 508748;1392585067;benkay;that's your play with the coins, certainly. 508749;1392585076;benkay;it's not a requirement. 508750;1392585103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32094 @ 0.00087453 = 28.0672 BTC [+] {3} 508751;1392585112;nubbins`;you'd be surprised the margins i get on most of these coins 508752;1392585132;benkay;great scam! 508753;1392585137;benkay;great margins. 508754;1392585147;kakobrekla;amazing profit 508755;1392585147;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 508756;1392585177;nubbins`;unfortunately, getting 6btc for a coin that cost ~1.2btc is a very rare thing 508757;1392585214;mircea_popescu;good evening gents 508758;1392585219;nubbins`;more common to get ~0.1 508759;1392585223;nubbins`;evening 508760;1392585229;Apocalyptic;evening mircea 508761;1392585303;benkay;i get where you're coming from nubbins`, really i do 508762;1392585309;benkay;but bitcoins is fukken dangerous. 508763;1392585316;nubbins`;no argument there 508764;1392585318;benkay;not toys 508765;1392585318;mircea_popescu;bitcoins killd my auntie. 508766;1392585329;benkay;not 'consumer tech' 508767;1392585349;mircea_popescu;consumer tech also killed my auntie. 508768;1392585354;benkay;i suppose this is why normal humans aren't allowed to buy fancy paper in the us 508769;1392585365;benkay;they might get ripped off if they're not really smart and careful! 508770;1392585379;benkay;but there's 0.01% of people that are smart 508771;1392585381;asciilifeform;consumer tech demo 508772;1392585382;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mbD-LRTAIY 508773;1392585385;benkay;and 0.01% of people that are careful 508774;1392585391;ozbot;Monkey shooting in black with AK-47 (Kalashnikov) - YouTube 508775;1392585392;mircea_popescu;ripped off by the wrong people, even! 508776;1392585457;nubbins`;fancy paper 508777;1392585457;mircea_popescu;whoa it can handle the recoil ? 508778;1392585459;benkay;that makes like nobody that should be 'allowed' to play with these dangerous toys 508779;1392585491;benkay;or alternatively accept that 99.99999 of people are going to get fucked their whole lives, throw up hands and not give fucks. 508780;1392585493;asciilifeform;staged, if anyone didn't know. 508781;1392585494;mircea_popescu;somehow i imagined a monkey trying to fire an ak would end up flying. 508782;1392585499;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is it weigh, 50 lbs ? 508783;1392585507;nubbins`;what else can i do! 508784;1392585597;benkay;make the babes happy 508785;1392585601;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: well, if little kids can shoot em... 508786;1392585602;benkay;pursue personal power 508787;1392585612;nubbins`;benkay: but i'm already doing both of those things D: 508788;1392585616;asciilifeform;nobody cancelled newton's 3rd. 508789;1392585620;benkay;yeah so let the scammers alone 508790;1392585640;benkay;or at least stop trying to foist your differentiation of scams on -assets 508791;1392585654;mircea_popescu;wtf ?! 508792;1392585665;mircea_popescu;benkay whai ?! 508793;1392585670;nubbins`;hey, this was dead until you brought it up again :P 508794;1392585715;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, i've been inducted into the ranks of pmb/rubecoin pushers 508795;1392585726;mircea_popescu;what is that 508796;1392585731;mircea_popescu;jesus how long have i been asleep 508797;1392585739;benkay;fair 'nuff 508798;1392585756;mircea_popescu;last i recall i was talking revolucion with some guy 508799;1392585817;nubbins`;yeah last thing we heard from you was time to shave my beard so i'll know how long i've been asleep 508800;1392585833;mircea_popescu;lmao 508801;1392585905;mircea_popescu;o wait pmb/rubecoin as in miner bonds and altchain scams ? 508802;1392585928;nubbins`;just go back like an hour 508803;1392585997;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i dunno if you've noticed this, but the logs are pretty much taylored for my convenience. if i'm up, an hour stretches over like 300 lines. yet the ten hours im asleep look in the log like an hour and a half. 508804;1392586048;nubbins`;that's got the makings of a great thesis statement 508805;1392586058;mircea_popescu;lol 508806;1392586079;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1200 @ 0.00083785 = 1.0054 BTC [+] {4} 508807;1392586114;nubbins`;http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/02/16/197236/mathematician-is-our-universe-a-simulation 508808;1392586126;nubbins`;^ old hat to many of you, but stories like this always get my gears turning 508809;1392586137;ozbot;Mathematician: Is Our Universe a Simulation? - Slashdot 508810;1392586155;KRS-One;ozbot: I think so. 508811;1392586167;KRS-One;or it can at least be modelled mathematically 508812;1392586198;nubbins`;Mathematical knowledge is unlike any other knowledge. Its truths are objective, necessary and timeless. 508813;1392586211;KRS-One;haha 508814;1392586212;KRS-One;.bait 508815;1392586230;nubbins`;in a just universe, .bait would link you to the proof of a theorem 508816;1392586231;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8q213Qbu01ryjfq3o1_500.jpg 508817;1392586256;KRS-One;Eww, her bicycle seat gonna smell. 508818;1392586262;asciilifeform;http://www.inwap.com/pdp10/hbaker/hakmem/hacks.html#item154 508819;1392586263;ozbot;HAKMEM -- PROGRAMMING HACKS -- DRAFT, NOT YET PROOFED 508820;1392586271;asciilifeform;(obligatory re: universe sim) 508821;1392586369;mircea_popescu;;;later tell cads actualy, it is not, not that i don't appreciate your culture on the topic. the difference is subtly this : that what you propose is geared towards the present and the future, a matter of action, whereas what i was discussing was strictly as to the past and a matter of representation. 508822;1392586369;gribble;The operation succeeded. 508823;1392586417;KRS-One;wonder if anyone has tried to pinpoint the location in the universe to the precise location where the big bang occurred, taking into account skew or any offset 508824;1392586432;KRS-One;there was the wmap project but that wasnt a specific goal 508825;1392586444;nubbins`;eh, not sure such a thing is yet possible 508826;1392586446;mircea_popescu;KRS-One the location where the big bang occured is not within the universe. 508827;1392586447;asciilifeform;likewise p != np because the kid playing sim-verse has a finite budget too... 508828;1392586454;mircea_popescu;or at least, not particularly more in one place than the other. 508829;1392586499;KRS-One;if everything came from the singularity wouldnt there be that specific point in some kind of reference to us? 508830;1392586511;mircea_popescu;nope. 508831;1392586523;nubbins`;well, what's your frame of reference for locating the singularity? 508832;1392586529;mircea_popescu;might as well try to determine where on your body is the place where your mom got laid. 508833;1392586530;KRS-One;earth obviously 508834;1392586535;mircea_popescu;obviously she didn't get laid on your body. 508835;1392586536;nubbins`;relative to earth? we're flying through space 508836;1392586550;KRS-One;right but if we can model the universe somewhat and reverse time.. 508837;1392586556;mircea_popescu;but you can not reverse time. 508838;1392586559;KRS-One;we've done it with galaxies 508839;1392586560;nubbins`;^ 508840;1392586563;KRS-One;on sim's you can 508841;1392586565;mircea_popescu;no, we haven't lol. 508842;1392586571;mircea_popescu;sims are toys. 508843;1392586574;nubbins`;sims make assumptions 508844;1392586590;KRS-One;yeah 508845;1392586600;nubbins`;consider the benign case of two galaxies smashing together and merging 508846;1392586614;KRS-One;we've simluated that 508847;1392586615;nubbins`;is a sim gonna show you what those two galaxies looked like before they crashed? 508848;1392586626;nubbins`;if so, to what resolution? etc 508849;1392586648;KRS-One;ah 508850;1392586666;nubbins`;might as well do a simulation of a pile of rotten mush to see what shape the banana was 508851;1392586681;KRS-One;too many assumptions 508852;1392586688;nubbins`;or a simulation to see what shade of yellow the eggs in your cake were, etc 508853;1392586689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10773 @ 0.0008752 = 9.4285 BTC [+] 508854;1392586700;ThickAsThieves;guys, if you suddenly pass out, i iz just rebooting 508855;1392586723;nubbins`;too many assumptions and too many one-way events 508856;1392586725;ThickAsThieves;LifeOS needs to repopulate scams 508857;1392586733;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves, on the bright side, we won't remember being asleep 508858;1392586750;ThickAsThieves;we won't remember being alive either 508859;1392586768;nubbins`;or, to generalize: we won't 508860;1392586781;ThickAsThieves;sure we will 508861;1392586787;mircea_popescu;deadweasel just admitted to slashing a vietnamese girl while drunk ? or did i misread ? 508862;1392586818;ThickAsThieves;deadweasel spoke? 508863;1392586827;nubbins`;we will, yes, sure. but i'm talking about whether we won't 508864;1392586842;mircea_popescu;he said he was jacking a rabbit with slices of vietnamese waitress. 508865;1392586848;ThickAsThieves;ah yes 508866;1392586853;ThickAsThieves;weird guy that one 508867;1392586864;nubbins`;heh 508868;1392586878;mircea_popescu;especially... what i want to know is what he did to the weasel. 508869;1392586881;ThickAsThieves;mustve got confused which part was sushi 508870;1392586889;mircea_popescu;they're both sushi. 508871;1392586900;KRS-One;heh 508872;1392586910;nubbins`;i think wait staff does too much running around to make good eating 508873;1392586916;ThickAsThieves;Bugpowder it's falling again! 508874;1392586922;ThickAsThieves;get out yer wallet 508875;1392586930;nubbins`;ideally you want a combination of little/no exercise and healthy eating 508876;1392586933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61900 @ 0.00087702 = 54.2875 BTC [+] {2} 508877;1392586937;nubbins`;but those two things so rarely go together 508878;1392586946;davout;!t x.eur 508879;1392586946;assbot;Aren't those tins of tobacco right there behind you? 508880;1392586956;mircea_popescu;"Enky makes good posts" << is this the guy that bought t credits and rated me for it >? 508881;1392586962;davout;hmm how does that thing work? 508882;1392586969;mircea_popescu;!t m x.eur 508883;1392586970;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00218173 / 0.00218173 / 0.00218173 (450 shares, 0.98 BTC), 7D: 0.00194567 / 0.00201007 / 0.00218173 (3800 shares, 7.64 BTC), 30D: 0.00166114 / 0.00179489 / 0.00218173 (21300 shares, 38.23 BTC) 508884;1392586970;ThickAsThieves;enky knows kako i think 508885;1392586977;davout;mircea_popescu: ty 508886;1392586989;ThickAsThieves;do they do that 4x thing together? 508887;1392587003;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust enikesha 508888;1392587003;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user enikesha: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=enikesha | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=enikesha | Rated since: Sun Sep 16 18:40:11 2012 508889;1392587005;mircea_popescu;tthat guy ? 508890;1392587012;ThickAsThieves;dont think so 508891;1392587013;mircea_popescu;i would guess not huh 508892;1392587017;ThickAsThieves;;;gettrust enky 508893;1392587018;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user enky: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=enky | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=enky | Rated since: never 508894;1392587022;ThickAsThieves;;;gettrust enky2 508895;1392587023;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user enky2: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=enky2 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=enky2 | Rated since: never 508896;1392587023;mircea_popescu;myeah nm, just my head got impacted. 508897;1392587074;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder: 508898;1392587074;mircea_popescu;Maybe that was the last quoted price before the MPOEbot went down. << exactly. 508899;1392587077;nubbins`;better your head than your bowel 508900;1392587088;mircea_popescu;FabianB no it's the last quoted. 508901;1392587157;mircea_popescu;benkay:sell everyone cardanos at 1000x markup. << i think you're the fifth guy planning to do basically that. 508902;1392587184;mircea_popescu;buy $5k worth of cardanos and $15k worth of suits, hassle execs for three months and bill $3.5mn worth of bs. 508903;1392587216;mod6;are they ready to order? 508904;1392587219;nubbins`;now that's pulchritude 508905;1392587235;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: benkay: what kind of idiot would buy at 1000x? << the kind of idiot that expects service, which maximally extended is the kind of idiot who only deals with people in his wot. so basically, any serious businessman. 508906;1392587245;mircea_popescu;that's why startups have advantages in the mktplace. 508907;1392587251;mircea_popescu;mod6 not just yet. 508908;1392587253;asciilifeform;1000x sounds a bit tall, that's all. 508909;1392587256;mod6;ok thx :) 508910;1392587261;mircea_popescu;a like that. well maybe. 508911;1392587279;cazalla;cads around? 508912;1392587285;mircea_popescu;;;calc 3500/(15+5) 508913;1392587285;gribble;175 508914;1392587292;mircea_popescu;100x! 508915;1392587351;mircea_popescu;benkay:if the opportunity presents itself i'd be happy to. i'm not about to cold-call all the international law firms in dc, though. <<< because why ? 508916;1392587364;asciilifeform;main challenge will be assisting noobs in learning to 'tell shit from shinola.' 508917;1392587388;mircea_popescu;that's exactly equal to saying cca 2009 "well if some bitcoins appear on my harddrives i'll be glad. i'm not abouit to run bs code on my computer which i need for trying to strip naked the sims" 508918;1392587404;ThickAsThieves; main challenge will be assisting noobs in learning to 'tell shit from shinola.' /// sounds like competition is needed 508919;1392587412;ThickAsThieves;maybe make two rival companies 508920;1392587420;asciilifeform;S.KGB 508921;1392587428;nubbins`;s.hit and s.hinola 508922;1392587445;mircea_popescu;benkay: 508923;1392587445;mircea_popescu;there is an awful chasm between people who want encryption and people who are willing to operate under the inconvenience of actual security. << into the permanent records of bitcoin-assets this goes. 508924;1392587449;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you have to draw that one. 508925;1392587472;benkay;mircea_popescu: did you see the part where i said "although..." trailing off while pondering the work/payoff function? 508926;1392587494;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, there comes a point where you have to turn it into an abstract 508927;1392587498;mircea_popescu;benkay no. i only read the parts that i can use (twice). the rest i don't read at all :D 508928;1392587529;benkay;mircea_popescu: funny man 508929;1392587539;mircea_popescu;nubbins` ok, let's try as an abstract : there's an awful chasm \between the people who want to cum and the people who are willing to operate under the inconvenience of actually getting all that girlslime all over their cock. 508930;1392587553;benkay;the inconvenience of girlslime!? 508931;1392587559;mircea_popescu;it's abstract man. 508932;1392587560;asciilifeform;i was just gonna throw that in 508933;1392587572;mircea_popescu;whoa i beat someone at the quick typing game once. 508934;1392587582;mircea_popescu;now i can die happy. or at least content. or whatever. 508935;1392587585;ThickAsThieves;girlslime, pretty sure thatd make the politically incorrect list 508936;1392587590;ThickAsThieves;and snailtrail 508937;1392587605;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves should it be gender-balanced-lubrication ? 508938;1392587619;asciilifeform;'wd-40' for all. 508939;1392587627;asciilifeform;no discriminatory advantage permitted! 508940;1392587630;mircea_popescu;you know the girls do most of the sliming. which is kind of weird seeing how the boys get most of the hurt if they didn't. 508941;1392587675;mod6;lol @ snailtrail. 508942;1392587684;ThickAsThieves;so any predictions what gox will announce? 508943;1392587691;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves chemtrails. 508944;1392587714;ThickAsThieves;i'm going with "btc withdrawals are now partially open, so we can monitor the situation 508945;1392587720;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, are chemtrails the result of quadriplegic women on chemo moving about the hospital ? 508946;1392587724;ThickAsThieves;then a wave of everyone saying they cant get coins out 508947;1392587780;mod6;then a wave of everyone pelting magicaltwit with flaming bags of dog shit 508948;1392587792;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/k8F31RR 508949;1392587793;mircea_popescu;magicallol 508950;1392587799;nubbins`;no cocks necessary. 508951;1392587805;ThickAsThieves;well scammers find ways to drag it out 508952;1392587815;mircea_popescu;nubbins` pretty good! 508953;1392587818;mircea_popescu;want some atc ? 508954;1392587819;ThickAsThieves;maybe they release some coins for vocal customers 508955;1392587834;ThickAsThieves;take the atc nubs 508956;1392587837;ThickAsThieves;you know you wanna 508957;1392587841;ThickAsThieves;be one of us michael 508958;1392587860;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: sure, send 'em to 1AltcoinSucksCocks 508959;1392587867;mircea_popescu;hater. 508960;1392587877;nubbins`;who's michael? 508961;1392587881;mircea_popescu;you do realise that without a hater atc would never win. 508962;1392587893;nubbins`;my pleasure to be a necessary cog 508963;1392587902;mircea_popescu;nubbins, the necessary cog 508964;1392587907;mircea_popescu;sounds like a good title for a kids book 508965;1392587909;ThickAsThieves;its from that vampire movie 508966;1392587911;nubbins`;or a business card 508967;1392587912;ThickAsThieves;lost boys? 508968;1392587917;mircea_popescu;nubbins` or that. 508969;1392587926;nubbins`;best business card title i ever saw was "scrabble blank feeler" 508970;1392587940;mircea_popescu;da fuck is that ?! 508971;1392587945;mod6;haha 508972;1392587956;nubbins`;heh. well you have played scrabble, yes? 508973;1392587960;mircea_popescu;i have. 508974;1392587969;ThickAsThieves;"cheater" 508975;1392587980;nubbins`;and players often put the tiles in a bag 508976;1392587991;mircea_popescu;i like playing "all languages scrabble" but generally people dont want to 508977;1392587992;nubbins`;the scrabble blank feeler takes an extra long time getting his tiles. 508978;1392587997;mircea_popescu;o i see 508979;1392588000;mircea_popescu;haha 508980;1392588001;asciilifeform;nope. this one - 508981;1392588002;asciilifeform;http://cooperostresh.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/myproof2.jpg%3Fw%3D620 508982;1392588002;nubbins`;:D 508983;1392588006;nubbins`;brilliant, no? 508984;1392588007;mircea_popescu;this is verboten in my harem. 508985;1392588024;nubbins`;now that's a nice business card 508986;1392588047;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform reminds me of an old blog post lemme see 508987;1392588049;nubbins`;perforated blotter art would make an amusing card too 508988;1392588056;nubbins`;"law-abiding citizen" 508989;1392588068;asciilifeform;or, 508990;1392588068;asciilifeform;http://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/businesscard_01_08.png%3Fw%3D580%26h%3D352 508991;1392588069;mircea_popescu;http://www.actsofgord.com/Chronicles/chapter36.php 508992;1392588093;mircea_popescu;nubbins` nah, Sovereign Druglord 508993;1392588100;mircea_popescu;in weird type and rainbow collors. 508994;1392588102;mod6;yeah that one looks like mitnick's card: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fx1mFaheb0o/ThBJ9EP0XhI/AAAAAAAAEkQ/RLNs2xcYz1g/s1600/106709219_6c8be9703b_z.jpg 508995;1392588117;nubbins`;heh. 508996;1392588122;asciilifeform;prisoners get cards? 508997;1392588134;nubbins`;"J. Keefe, sovereign" 508998;1392588147;mod6;asciilifeform: post release 508999;1392588164;asciilifeform;the post-release one probably reads 'obedient peon' ? 509000;1392588171;mircea_popescu;nubbins` with a picture of a pinky ring o nthe back for the recipient to kiss 509001;1392588192;nubbins`;we want encryption, not a fucking bridge 509002;1392588198;nubbins`;that has a ring to it 509003;1392588201;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 509004;1392588204;mod6;after he was released he was on Tech-TV or something and said, "yeah, its nice to be out... but i gotta wait like a year or something to get a cell phone... and I hvae this ankle bracelt for a few months.." 509005;1392588209;asciilifeform;obligatory russian drowning joke 509006;1392588218;mircea_popescu;do i know that one ? 509007;1392588221;nubbins`;ankle bracelet, fancy 509008;1392588236;asciilifeform;some time in medieval times, a father is leading his useless-mouth son to be drowned 509009;1392588240;nubbins`;house arrest is usually on the honor system here 509010;1392588258;asciilifeform;they pass an old man who says, 'don't drown this fellow. i'll feed him dumplings, he won't have to do any work but to dip them' 509011;1392588264;asciilifeform;son: 'whatdoyamean i gotta dip them' 509012;1392588272;asciilifeform;old man: 'drown him, father, drown, drown.' 509013;1392588279;mircea_popescu;o o o yeah! 509014;1392588372;cazalla;i enjoyed his book from 2-3 years ago 509015;1392588419;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: you could hit someone on the head if you could remember who you wanted to hit << epic. 509016;1392588454;ThickAsThieves;evoorhees seems to be posting on reddit lately 509017;1392588461;ThickAsThieves;doing panic control 509018;1392588467;mircea_popescu;jeez kako is on a roll. 509019;1392588468;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: every time i hear "one of us" i think of that old movie "freaks" or w/e it's called 509020;1392588484;nubbins`;gooble gobble! 509021;1392588517;nubbins`;if kako was any sharper he'd cut himself 509022;1392588518;ThickAsThieves;the correct quote was "Drink this Michael. Become one of us" 509023;1392588518;benkay;rad illustration nubbins` 509024;1392588528;ThickAsThieves;had to look it up 509025;1392588532;benkay;being a stick figure is disappointing though 509026;1392588542;nubbins`;benkay, couldn't find my sketchbook OR a pen. threw me off. 509027;1392588547;asciilifeform;mitnick, the fellow who was kept in solitary because judge declared 'will start ww3 by whistling' ? 509028;1392588561;jurov;what does evoorhees and kakobrekla? i feel completely out of loop 509029;1392588579;cazalla;interesting that i ran into evoorhees prior to bitcoin (wickedfire) 509030;1392588594;mircea_popescu;<benkay> being a stick figure is disappointing though << talk to the cook. 509031;1392588609;mircea_popescu;say "woman, make me a sammich. god knows being a stick figure is disappointing enough" 509032;1392588645;mircea_popescu;jurov you seen teh log ? 509033;1392588681;jurov;no, fell hopelessly behind last few days 509034;1392588702;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00087257 = 9.162 BTC [-] {2} 509035;1392588771;mircea_popescu;dub: i like white wimminz << why is that ? 509036;1392588807;ThickAsThieves;better slime 509037;1392588812;mircea_popescu;is it ? 509038;1392588837;ThickAsThieves;i wouldnt know, the only time i had a chance with a black girl i wasnt single 509039;1392588846;mircea_popescu;i don't much like other race womenz. i mean creoles can be insanely hot, but otherwise, black, yellow, eskimo, w/e, they're all ugly. 509040;1392588862;mircea_popescu;and i imagined it's prolly the same for everyone. 509041;1392588877;benkay;http://openlibernet.org/faq.html 509042;1392588878;ThickAsThieves;i find other races hot too 509043;1392588890;ozbot;Frequently Asked Questions 509044;1392588891;mircea_popescu;(creole meaning in that sentence, woman with some white ancestry) 509045;1392588909;mircea_popescu;2. Whats wrong with the current internet? 509046;1392588909;mircea_popescu;Many things actually. First of all, it is important to remember that the internet didnt just come to be in its current form. 509047;1392588913;mircea_popescu;benkay sorry, disqualified 509048;1392588915;mircea_popescu;FOR STUPIDITY. 509049;1392588945;nubbins`;benkay, http://imgur.com/se0YPEr 509050;1392588945;pankkake;doesn't work without javascript 509051;1392588946;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7041 @ 0.00022942 = 1.6153 BTC [-] {11} 509052;1392588948;nubbins`;me shrugs 509053;1392588951;pankkake;that's what is wrong with the internet 509054;1392588957;nubbins`;me forgets the / 509055;1392588979;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla:mp would argue with the bike thing. << how the fuck does he know that. 509056;1392588981;benkay;http://openlibernet.org/paper/open-libernet.pdf 509057;1392588990;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla you've been fucking my womenz on the quiet ?! 509058;1392589005;pankkake;you wrote about bikes being an instrument of evil remember? 509059;1392589007;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2262 @ 0.000229 = 0.518 BTC [-] {3} 509060;1392589008;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.12849999 = 1.285 BTC [+] 509061;1392589010;mircea_popescu;o i did ? k. 509062;1392589012;nubbins`;ha. 509063;1392589023;mircea_popescu;people reading my blogz and drilling my womenz ON THE QUIET 509064;1392589043;nubbins`;can't very well do it on the loud 509065;1392589049;kakobrekla;id still double check on the womans thing. 509066;1392589055;benkay;mircea_popescu: it's got awful js and css - that's how you know REAL PROGRAMMERS built it 509067;1392589056;mircea_popescu;nubbins` why does your guy have bycicle wheels in his eye sockets dood 509068;1392589063;benkay;nubbins`: is that me? 509069;1392589078;nubbins`;benkay, mircea_popescu: artistic license 509070;1392589081;mircea_popescu;you know it suddenly dawned on me... nubbins can't actually draw. 509071;1392589085;mircea_popescu;i think he might be blind. 509072;1392589089;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: shh, don't tell the clients 509073;1392589093;benkay;mircea_popescu: why u no bikes? how ams evil? 509074;1392589113;mircea_popescu;benkay bikes make men impotent. walking makes girl ass and legs look great. 509075;1392589115;mircea_popescu;you sort it out. 509076;1392589117;asciilifeform;nubbins`: iosif vissarionovich! 509077;1392589118;b00lcrap;1234 509078;1392589137;bo0lcrap;hey why shouldn't you fart in an apple store? 509079;1392589149;bo0lcrap;because they dont have windows! 509080;1392589152;mircea_popescu;because the metrosexuals may fall in love ? 509081;1392589160;nubbins`;heh. 509082;1392589165;mircea_popescu;mine's better. 509083;1392589175;nubbins`;anyway, regarding my ability to draw 509084;1392589181;mircea_popescu;what, is that a topic ? 509085;1392589187;nubbins`;is now! 509086;1392589190;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12849999 = 0.514 BTC [+] 509087;1392589200;nubbins`;there's a reason why i asked pascale to draw those heraldics and not me ;p 509088;1392589218;mircea_popescu;she never drew you ? 509089;1392589221;asciilifeform;"We are still at idea stage. Weve built a few simulations to test some parts of the system, but the main development hasnt begun. We have published our whitepaper, which explains.." 509090;1392589227;nubbins`;ooh, good one 509091;1392589232;nubbins`;she has, in fact, drawn me 509092;1392589242;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform could this be merged into the yarvin thing ? 509093;1392589260;nubbins`;i'm not much for realism tho 509094;1392589263;nubbins`;takes too much talent 509095;1392589266;asciilifeform;it could just as easily be merged into Duke Nukem XXX. 509096;1392589272;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i however am much for criticism! 509097;1392589274;nubbins`;heh 509098;1392589281;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lmao. maybe it should. 509099;1392589291;nubbins`;well you'll be happy to know that the band lapped up my snorting-coffee-grounds image: 509100;1392589293;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/cXupn13 509101;1392589294;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 509102;1392589303;nubbins`;i even have a picture of a smiling hipster wearing it, one sec 509103;1392589309;mircea_popescu;its actually pretty good 509104;1392589312;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.0055 = 0.385 BTC 509105;1392589323;mircea_popescu;it takes decent advantage of your few strengths while carefully avoiding all your numerous weaknesses. 509106;1392589329;benkay;haha 509107;1392589330;nubbins`;sorry, n/m, the hipster is not smiling 509108;1392589332;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/sk35KYw 509109;1392589333;ThickAsThieves;lol 509110;1392589351;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: if i wanted to highlight my weaknesses i'd just print a photo of myself 509111;1392589355;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 509112;1392589359;ThickAsThieves;cake makes hipsters sad 509113;1392589359;mircea_popescu;lol 509114;1392589371;nubbins`;i know right? face full of sugar and still not happy 509115;1392589387;nubbins`;shit, maybe he's upset about the shirts. 509116;1392589408;ThickAsThieves;looks cool enough to me 509117;1392589433;nubbins`;i'm always a bit surprised when i'm given free reign on design 509118;1392589460;nubbins`;always expecting "how about this?" to be met with "the fuck is your problem, asshole?" 509119;1392589464;mircea_popescu;"what are these people thinking" 509120;1392589468;nubbins`;well, yes 509121;1392589476;nubbins`;what ARE they thinking 509122;1392589504;ThickAsThieves;do you design shirts for non-hipster businesses? 509123;1392589512;ThickAsThieves;i bet those people would complain 509124;1392589522;nubbins`;most legit businesses come to us with art 509125;1392589538;mircea_popescu;which is how he got the idea he can draw in the first place. 509126;1392589541;mircea_popescu;by looking at all that art. 509127;1392589547;benkay;"art" 509128;1392589551;ThickAsThieves;so mean! 509129;1392589555;benkay;to bring us back to a much much earlier topic 509130;1392589556;mircea_popescu;someone stole my f's again 509131;1392589565;nubbins`;looking fat all that art 509132;1392589574;mircea_popescu;haha good 1 509133;1392589588;ThickAsThieves;loo king fat all tha tart 509134;1392589599;nubbins`;make no mistake, i do not operate under the assumption that i can draw 509135;1392589610;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves this is el englisho, doesn't spello like thato./ 509136;1392589623;mircea_popescu;nubbins` just under the hope that others can't tell ? 509137;1392589639;nubbins`;has worked reasonably well so far, this approach 509138;1392589654;ThickAsThieves;it's performance art, people just buy souvenirs 509139;1392589665;mircea_popescu;if anyone ever asks me to back up assertions about collapsing standards in education i am definitely linking this in support. 509140;1392589677;nubbins`;hey, hold on now. i didn't go to art school 509141;1392589677;mircea_popescu;and btw, we need to start selling -asset tickets, this shit's too much fun. 509142;1392589684;mircea_popescu;nubbins` not for you, for the viewers. 509143;1392589687;nubbins`;aha. 509144;1392589692;nubbins`;was waiting for "no, really?" 509145;1392589701;mircea_popescu;sidestepped :D 509146;1392589709;nubbins`;graciously 509147;1392589712;mircea_popescu;sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, you know. 509148;1392589723;nubbins`;no, really? 509149;1392589725;nubbins`;:DDDDD 509150;1392589727;ThickAsThieves;my english teacher told me puns are 509151;1392589746;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i bet your english teacher never got lied. 509152;1392589752;nubbins`;lights blinking and wind picking up, gonna try to fry some salmon while i still can. 509153;1392589758;benkay;american english teachers know neither english nor how to teach. 509154;1392589763;ThickAsThieves;he was a hideous creature of form and mind 509155;1392589784;mircea_popescu;imagine if he's from the hillbilly country and his parents are Form and Mindy 509156;1392589800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00087494 = 7.262 BTC [+] 509157;1392589815;ThickAsThieves;not punny 509158;1392589830;mircea_popescu;anyway, has the esteemed & most serene college of the assets read my recent poem ? 509159;1392589844;mircea_popescu;pls to say nice things for else i'm cutting. 509160;1392589854;ThickAsThieves;;;google trilema writes a poem 509161;1392589855;gribble;Romanian Dicelist pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Lewis's trilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; C. S. Lewis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: 509162;1392589876;mircea_popescu;;;google trilema the letter third 509163;1392589877;gribble;Lewis's trilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Free exchange: A trio of trilemmas | The Economist: ; Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: 509164;1392589883;asciilifeform;i read it. needs a part II. 509165;1392589883;mircea_popescu;google is so fucking borkt... 509166;1392589888;asciilifeform;where the sultan meets his fate. 509167;1392589912;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://www.romanianvoice.com/poezii/poezii/scrisoarea3.php if you care 509168;1392589929;mircea_popescu;the 2nd part is not about the sultan (which is duly forgotten), but about how pissed off the author is with the current environment 509169;1392589948;mircea_popescu;cca 1880 he was distraught that people learn jack shit in school and everyone's lazy and stupid and wtf is this politics conspiraci of nonsense. 509170;1392589976;asciilifeform;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Ilja_Jefimowitsch_Repin_009.jpg 509171;1392589982;asciilifeform;for anyone who never saw. 509172;1392589993;benkay;sottisier needs linking to bash.*, mircea_popescu 509173;1392589995;mircea_popescu;something like that. 509174;1392590008;mircea_popescu;benkay lol 509175;1392590025;mircea_popescu;don't be so mean, there's loads of smart things in there. 509176;1392590081;mircea_popescu;http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=3 509177;1392590083;benkay;ah then then the forum 509178;1392590094;benkay;yeah that in particular 509179;1392590102;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets bash 509180;1392590166;pankkake;sottisier ? 509181;1392590183;mircea_popescu;cads what i want to know is when the fuck did romanian and cabbage get identified. what, cause cluj cabbage ? 509182;1392590189;mircea_popescu;pankkake certes. 509183;1392590218;mircea_popescu;nowai. 509184;1392590220;mircea_popescu;from ME ?! 509185;1392590227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00087224 = 24.5099 BTC [-] {2} 509186;1392590269;pankkake;from benkay technically 509187;1392590284;benkay;ZING 509188;1392590295;mircea_popescu;fu benkay stealer of my things. 509189;1392590301;pankkake;if only your posts weren't that long, I would read them sooner 509190;1392590302;benkay;yup 509191;1392590370;Mats_cd03;can i have the sword 509192;1392590383;mircea_popescu;(which, incidentally, is a film with paolo villaggio 509193;1392590384;pankkake;does he lose his XP too? 509194;1392590387;benkay;i don't imitate, mircea_popescu i steap. 509195;1392590391;benkay;steal* 509196;1392590409;benkay;i begin to understand why offices work 509197;1392590412;mircea_popescu;pankkake no, that he keeps 509198;1392590421;benkay;you're responsible for the distractions roaming around 509199;1392590423;Mats_cd03;i tried to buy a .jp relic once, dealer tried to gouge me for $5k 509200;1392590471;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 2 BTC [+] 509201;1392590473;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lucky me, turned up, http://lib.rus.ec/b/363206/read#n_49 509202;1392590494;Mats_cd03;found a replica that was better than the real thing on ebay for $200 509203;1392590532;Mats_cd03;although the replica didnt kill hundreds of chinese so i guess its inferior tbh 509204;1392590575;mircea_popescu;И, роняя капли света, словно брызги дождевые, 509205;1392590575;mircea_popescu;От восхода до заката встали радуги ночные. 509206;1392590578;mircea_popescu;you know that's not so bad. 509207;1392590580;benkay;you can always imbue your replica with that property, though, Mats_cd03 509208;1392590626;benkay;anyways that kind of property is kind of unique and so therefore probably worth in excess of 5k 509209;1392590636;benkay;that's what, less than an mpex seat? 509210;1392590639;benkay;sounds like a deal. 509211;1392590650;Mats_cd03;it was a relic owned by a descendant of a .jp soldier in nanjing 509212;1392590657;benkay;"how many human lives is an mpex seat worth" 509213;1392590664;mircea_popescu;o it's the old soviet translation isn't it. 509214;1392590674;mircea_popescu;yeah they actually put a lot of effort into getting it right for some reason. 509215;1392590674;Mats_cd03;definitely worth more than 5k 509216;1392590679;asciilifeform;Mats_cd03: ww2 jp. swords suck (the issued ones, not the familial relics some of the nobles carried) 509217;1392590704;asciilifeform;not even reall japanese in style. more or less copies of eur. cavalry sabers of late 19th 509218;1392590715;asciilifeform;i thought serious sword folks knew that. 509219;1392590715;Mats_cd03;ya i thought so, so i picked up a carbon fibre weapon made with modern techniques 509220;1392590729;benkay;read it 509221;1392590747;benkay;thing is most humans are totally fungible 509222;1392590756;Mats_cd03;i have no expertise in that sort of thing, i meant to buy it as a gift for a colleague 509223;1392590757;mircea_popescu;teh sheeple!11 509224;1392590772;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 why'd you buy things you don't know to make gifts ? 509225;1392590774;benkay;the upper end of skill experience and what have ye isn't but that's a vanishingly small slice. 509226;1392590788;mircea_popescu;putting your friend in the awkward position of having been vicariously scammed doesn't seem like much of a gift 509227;1392590816;Mats_cd03;dude was a huge sword buff and owned all sorts of probably illegal war trophies 509228;1392590834;mircea_popescu;so therefore your odds of giving him something he doesn't think is shit are... <0.0001% ? 509229;1392590855;Mats_cd03;well i expected him to know the shit gift i bought him was shit 509230;1392590870;mircea_popescu;oic. 509231;1392590874;benkay;300 bucks'll get you a pretty nice bottle of wine, Mats_cd03. 509232;1392590896;Mats_cd03;the garbage wine he drinks is more than that 509233;1392590897;benkay;if you can avoid getting scammed ;) 509234;1392590898;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7442 @ 0.00087201 = 6.4895 BTC [-] {2} 509235;1392590905;Mats_cd03;how do you buy gifts for someone who has everything 509236;1392590917;Mats_cd03;i mean... besides a vagina purse 509237;1392590924;Mats_cd03;http://craftastrophe.net/2008/11/keep-your-money-safe-in-your-vagina/ 509238;1392590925;ozbot;Keep Your Money Safe – in Your Vagina | Craftastrophe 509239;1392590934;mircea_popescu;wait this was a woman ? 509240;1392590953;Mats_cd03;no lol 509241;1392590955;benkay;human belt. 509242;1392590983;benkay;whoopie cushin 509243;1392590989;benkay;cushion 509244;1392591096;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: hey, fuck you guys << lawl. 509245;1392591112;mircea_popescu;i cant believe after all you nuts picking on poor nubsy i came in and picked him off as new. 509246;1392591140;mircea_popescu;all that's missing is herbi driving a jet over his cat or something. 509247;1392591154;ThickAsThieves;mp the Like button and +1 button are missing from trilema 509248;1392591168;ThickAsThieves;how can i express myself without expressing myself? 509249;1392591175;benkay;oh yeah also while we're on the topic your discus implementation is fucking horrendous too 509250;1392591180;benkay;disqus* 509251;1392591206;ThickAsThieves;also where's your keyword cloud 509252;1392591211;ThickAsThieves;so useful those things 509253;1392591212;mircea_popescu;o yeah ? well i had sex with your wife! 509254;1392591243;benkay;yeah man keyword clouds are where its at 509255;1392591248;benkay;get with the 2004 mang 509256;1392591251;mircea_popescu;(the cannonical is, "his wife has cancer") 509257;1392591264;mircea_popescu;it's from the shrimpstore seinfeld episode. 509258;1392591289;mircea_popescu;http://www.seinology.com/scripts/script-147.shtml 509259;1392591292;ozbot;Seinology.com :: Scripts :: 147-The Comeback 509260;1392591323;mircea_popescu;bah fuck me, "his wife is in a coma". 509261;1392591361;ThickAsThieves;lol 509262;1392591368;ThickAsThieves;even better 509263;1392591388;ThickAsThieves;saying she's dead wouldnt be as funny either 509264;1392591392;mircea_popescu;nope. 509265;1392591397;mircea_popescu;they really polished those scripts. 509266;1392591414;mircea_popescu;you don't realise this on the first pass, watching it or w/e, but just try as a cw exercise to improve on them. 509267;1392591466;ThickAsThieves;i find tv shows to be increasingly predictable, i dont just mean boring 509268;1392591476;cazalla;curb is better 509269;1392591478;ThickAsThieves;i mean like where foreshadowing is painfully obvious 509270;1392591529;ThickAsThieves;or like how they use almost famous actors as cameo villians 509271;1392591569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33245 @ 0.00087525 = 29.0977 BTC [+] {3} 509272;1392591579;Vexual;asciilifeform: nothing wrong with ww2 japanese swords, good factory steel relinquished in shame 509273;1392591595;benkay;curb? CURB?! 509274;1392591598;benkay;show is miserable. 509275;1392591609;benkay;awkward comedy at its worst. 509276;1392591618;benkay;nobody on that show can tell a joke. 509277;1392591634;benkay;maybe the joke is on me expecting comedy 509278;1392591690;ThickAsThieves;it's the Altcoin of comedy shows 509279;1392591704;ThickAsThieves;"is this a joke?" 509280;1392591744;mircea_popescu;cazalla curb is atrocious. 509281;1392591776;mircea_popescu;"bro do you even joke ?" 509282;1392591818;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves yeah, well, that'd be a funcrtion of you growing less retarded over time. 509283;1392591841;mircea_popescu;like for instance the mtgox thing ? totally impredictable and shocking for a few people. 509284;1392591843;mircea_popescu;somewhere. 509285;1392591867;benkay; so gox: criminally incompetent? criminals? or just incompetent? 509286;1392591867;benkay;[18:30] 509287;1392591868;benkay; i cant tell which 509288;1392591870;benkay;i know some 509289;1392591874;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 46 @ 0.00296 = 0.1362 BTC [-] 509290;1392591898;mircea_popescu;you're promiscuous :D 509291;1392591904;benkay;disregarded me for months 509292;1392591915;benkay;not terribly, it's the local btc irc channel 509293;1392591925;benkay;reptations get built in more places than -assets 509294;1392591931;benkay;and AND 509295;1392591935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00087198 = 26.2466 BTC [-] {2} 509296;1392591935;benkay;i wear condoms. 509297;1392591945;benkay;so it's okay baby 509298;1392591974;mircea_popescu;boys should b e promiscuous anyway. 509299;1392591983;benkay;hear hear 509300;1392591995;benkay;what about men? 509301;1392592008;mircea_popescu;"The term can carry a moral judgement and is viewed in the context of a mainstream social ideal for sexual activity to occur within exclusive committed relationships." 509302;1392592012;mircea_popescu;ahahaha wikipedia is grand. 509303;1392592047;mircea_popescu;"i know! let's give a bunch of clueless twits the unwarranted, indefensible idea that what they know and think is universal, and then let's have them write it all out. 509304;1392592057;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00297498 = 0.1934 BTC [+] 509305;1392592060;mircea_popescu;educated, intelligent people everywhere will be entertained." 509306;1392592064;mircea_popescu;"for free." 509307;1392592086;benkay;britannica or gtfo 509308;1392592095;cazalla;mircea_popescu: because it's jewish? 509309;1392592103;benkay;and i mean the actual fucking bound volumes. 509310;1392592108;mircea_popescu;nah 509311;1392592136;nubbins`; i cant believe after all you nuts picking on poor nubsy i came in and picked him off as new. 509312;1392592141;nubbins`;i can't even get a break! 509313;1392592149;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2014#487596 509314;1392592152;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 509315;1392592163;mircea_popescu;cazalla weren;t you from down under ? 509316;1392592166;nubbins`;earlier i was asking some guy about encryption and he starts going off about bridges! 509317;1392592178;cazalla;mircea_popescu: yes 509318;1392592205;mircea_popescu;jesus, herbi is the proximate cause for me trying to rewatch that crud, cause he also claimed it's better than seinfeld. 509319;1392592209;mircea_popescu;and he's also from there. 509320;1392592218;mircea_popescu;you people must have really brainrotting tv or something. 509321;1392592226;nubbins`;curb is funny if you think watching adults endure horrendously awkward situations is funny 509322;1392592230;benkay;he's also a wannabe quant computer guy 509323;1392592235;nubbins`;if you don't, well, it just isn't 509324;1392592238;mircea_popescu;but they suck. they can't act, they aren't funny. 509325;1392592240;benkay;and i think into anime shit as well. 509326;1392592245;mircea_popescu;i'd rather watch the surveillance cam 509327;1392592248;cazalla;curb is better than seinfeld 509328;1392592253;benkay;oh shit herbi's into some wackness 509329;1392592258;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, that's the thing. they're not even trying to act 509330;1392592260;mircea_popescu;hm, maybe that's what it is, the curb thing is funny for people who don't have access to surveillance cams, 509331;1392592263;benkay;he and Vexual were wanking each other off the nother night. 509332;1392592271;nubbins`;benkay :0 509333;1392592278;benkay;it was vile 509334;1392592283;benkay;anime music videos 509335;1392592286;benkay;horrible house music 509336;1392592297;nubbins`;oof 509337;1392592298;mircea_popescu;at least it wasn't dub step. 509338;1392592309;benkay;eh 509339;1392592317;benkay;i've done too many drugs with dubstep playing to care about it anymore 509340;1392592321;nubbins`;(dub: don't want to be paged? don't choose a nick that's a genre of music) 509341;1392592338;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: having loads of fun with herr eminescu. 509342;1392592343;mircea_popescu;nubbins` dun worry, he knows i only do it to bother him 509343;1392592344;pankkake;dubsteb isn't all bad. just ignore the mainstream 509344;1392592348;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, write a russian variant! 509345;1392592348;nubbins`;dubstep, aka run some techno through a VCF 509346;1392592373;mircea_popescu;dubstep is okay if you're into fucking fifteen year olds. 509347;1392592373;nubbins`;and tweak the cutoff & peak knobs so it goes WOM WOM 509348;1392592384;benkay;well once upon a time 509349;1392592388;benkay;can't get away with it anymore 509350;1392592391;davout;wow: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-16/money-launderer-until-proven-innocent-italy-imposes-20-tax-withholding-all-inbound-m 509351;1392592394;benkay;mircea_popescu: ^^ 509352;1392592403;nubbins`;dubstep is essentially "i bought a bunch of Moog modules and can't be fucked to learn how to use any of them" 509353;1392592409;mircea_popescu;i could but srsly... i prefer tits and a nicely formed hip-thigh complex. 509354;1392592426;benkay;nubbins`: nobody buys moog modules and so therefore has no incentive to actually learn them 509355;1392592433;benkay;no investment of money, no investment of time. 509356;1392592439;benkay;"why are these tools so hard bawwww" 509357;1392592443;nubbins`;heh. 509358;1392592445;mircea_popescu;italy is pretty much bankrupt. 509359;1392592450;mircea_popescu;how is this news ? 509360;1392592456;nubbins`;you have a point, they're doing it all with softsynths 509361;1392592467;mircea_popescu;italy has never, ever, at any poiint in its history, been able to pay the bills. 509362;1392592477;mircea_popescu;while the austrians paid for them, italy existed, then it didn't 509363;1392592480;Vexual;when in rome 509364;1392592481;mircea_popescu;then hitler took over, 509365;1392592483;mircea_popescu;then they didn't. 509366;1392592489;mircea_popescu;then germany took over, now they don't... 509367;1392592494;nubbins`;altho i suspect the "free" vs "$10k+" thing is a deciding factor when choosing softsynths over modulars too 509368;1392592496;pankkake;well most of the "dubstep" I like is closer to drum and bass. still… 509369;1392592502;mircea_popescu;it's not going to end. italians are willing to spend your money or starve. either way. 509370;1392592517;pankkake;eh, you can find 5-minute howto dubstep on youtube 509371;1392592527;benkay;nubbins`: that's precisely the problem. when people can't be arsed to figure out how to get their tools to make money, they don't arse themselves to grok the tools either. 509372;1392592527;nubbins`;pankkake, that's the problem 509373;1392592533;Mats_cd03;https://soundcloud.com/whiiite/luniz-i-got-5-on-it-whiiite-x 509374;1392592552;nubbins`;10k "producers" watching a 5 minute tutorial on youtube and "releasing tracks" 509375;1392592562;benkay;if the tools are free, why develop competence when everyone else you know hacking on them is just as incompetent as yourself? 509376;1392592565;Mats_cd03;if you feel gangster listening to this trap mix... we are in agreement 509377;1392592574;pankkake;so dubstep songs are like altcoins 509378;1392592586;benkay;all techno is cryptocoins 509379;1392592589;nubbins`;pankkake sort of, but more people take dubstep seriously 509380;1392592606;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 202 @ 0.00084 = 0.1697 BTC [+] 509381;1392592627;nubbins`;and i suspect altcoins are no fun on club drugs 509382;1392592646;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, did you send those atc yet? 509383;1392592660;mircea_popescu;which atc ? the atc you never said you wanted ? 509384;1392592666;cads;behold the amazing power of 40,000 trolls to play pokemon for three days straight via random button presses: http://www.twitch.tv/twitchplayspokemon 509385;1392592666;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 509386;1392592671;cads;AMAZING 509387;1392592673;nubbins`;hey, i never said i didn't want em 509388;1392592677;nubbins`;i even gave you most of an address 509389;1392592679;pankkake;https://soundcloud.com/betamorph/logam-your-mom-makes-dubstep 509390;1392592679;Mats_cd03;i imagine youd have to be doped up to care about altcoins 509391;1392592683;mircea_popescu;lolk 509392;1392592698;nubbins`;send as many as you want 509393;1392592701;mircea_popescu;cads i thought pokemon was a cartoon series. 509394;1392592715;nubbins`;Mats_cd03: oh, you might be onto something there 509395;1392592723;Mats_cd03;it was a game first i thought 509396;1392592737;cads;mircea_popescu: I'm not sure what came first, the video game nerd or the egg. 509397;1392592747;mircea_popescu;aok. 509398;1392592762;Vexual;altcoin, not altcoins 509399;1392592769;Mats_cd03;wtf am i listening to pankkake 509400;1392592783;pankkake;Mats_cd03: the impaled northern moonforest of dubstep 509401;1392592783;benkay;i'll take nubbins`' altcoins 509402;1392592799;nubbins`;you'll take them if your address starts with 1AltcoinSucksCocks 509403;1392592799;Vexual;altcoin is the plural! 509404;1392592810;benkay;shut up Vexual 509405;1392592835;mircea_popescu;A scientific study published in 2005 found that promiscuous men and women are judged equally harshly and a recent poll showed that both genders tend to express strong preference for sexually conservative partners. 509406;1392592838;mircea_popescu;dude this is absurd. 509407;1392592841;Mats_cd03;this is the worst thing i have listened to in months 509408;1392592848;CiPi;Real men use real things. :) Like bitcoin, not altcoin. 509409;1392592856;CiPi;loosers use altcoins. 509410;1392592859;mircea_popescu;someone prefers sexually conservative parties, somewhere in that africa over there across the atlantic ?! 509411;1392592868;benkay;doncha know mircea_popescu 509412;1392592874;benkay;we all sit around and talk about what kind of sex we'd like to have 509413;1392592877;benkay;get all horny 509414;1392592879;benkay;and then go home 509415;1392592882;pankkake;but it's not altcoins, it's Altcoin 509416;1392592943;nubbins`;1AltcoinSucksCocks0123456789abcdef 509417;1392592946;nubbins`;there we go 509418;1392592966;benkay;pankkake: just transfer the coins nubbins` is throwing away to my account under your mgmt plz 509419;1392592977;nubbins`;the fuck is this, an auction? 509420;1392592984;mircea_popescu;lol 509421;1392592996;benkay;it's sunday in -assets! 509422;1392593001;benkay;#musical number begins 509423;1392593006;nubbins`;i am entitled to my entitlements! 509424;1392593015;benkay;you guys we need a stage musical 509425;1392593017;mircea_popescu;benkay i'm not giving preciously minted atc to the heathens! 509426;1392593022;TATwalking;I tell ya tho software producing takes a shit ton of time to get good at 509427;1392593026;benkay;wait i'm no heathen 509428;1392593033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18583 @ 0.0008743 = 16.2471 BTC [+] 509429;1392593039;nubbins`;TATwalking, this is why so few are good at it 509430;1392593044;benkay;this stage musical would have GLBSE 509431;1392593048;benkay;Colored Coins 509432;1392593051;benkay;Amir Taaki 509433;1392593059;nubbins`;"i'm a producer" can almost universally be responded to with "no you're not" 509434;1392593061;benkay;all as like transient guests that occasionally show up and say nonsensical things 509435;1392593072;Vexual;lol 509436;1392593103;mircea_popescu;nubbins` or with "it'll still cost you 70 for half and half" 509437;1392593116;nubbins`;hah. 509438;1392593141;mircea_popescu;he's not a producer, she is a whore, honesty all the way. 509439;1392593155;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 191 @ 0.00084157 = 0.1607 BTC [+] {2} 509440;1392593156;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1285 BTC [+] 509441;1392593171;nubbins`;"altcoin: the commodity so valuable that people don't even want others throwing theirs away" 509442;1392593190;mircea_popescu;i paid good satoshis for that stuff i'll have you know. 509443;1392593195;TATwalking;I dodge the occasional tree :) 509444;1392593210;nubbins`;tell that to my empty atc address! 509445;1392593247;Apocalyptic;nubbins`, then buy some 509446;1392593260;nubbins`;Apocalyptic, i think you missed the point by about 5km 509447;1392593272;Apocalyptic;yeah i must admit haven't read the scroll 509448;1392593277;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 31 @ 0.0055 = 0.1705 BTC 509449;1392593278;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.06913778 = 3.4569 BTC [-] {4} 509450;1392593279;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic few do. 509451;1392593283;mircea_popescu;it's five hours a day. 509452;1392593291;nubbins`;i was bequeathed some atc and now can't get anybody to follow through! 509453;1392593305;mircea_popescu;nubbins` because you were a smartass with derpy nonaddresses 509454;1392593314;nubbins`;totally is an address. 509455;1392593327;nubbins`;there's what, 2^9 private keys that will generate that address 509456;1392593327;TATwalking;now you must shoe on head 509457;1392593330;mircea_popescu;longest vanity in history. 509458;1392593350;nubbins`;well, 1MatthewNWrightIsAScammer was taken 509459;1392593351;mircea_popescu;obviously nubbins` did not read the protocol enough to know about the checksum. 509460;1392593358;nubbins`;OOOOOH 509461;1392593361;nubbins`;well fuck me 509462;1392593369;mircea_popescu;noty, but i did lel all the way/ 509463;1392593373;nubbins`;heh 509464;1392593378;nubbins`;isn't my face red! 509465;1392593392;benkay;i thought it was mostly white with some tatooos 509466;1392593392;nubbins`;guess i better go read up &c &c 509467;1392593394;mircea_popescu;ppl come to this chan thinking they're real smart all the time. 509468;1392593398;nubbins`;benkay, heh 509469;1392593399;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1980 @ 0.00043849 = 0.8682 BTC [-] 509470;1392593400;mircea_popescu;we're kinda used to it. 509471;1392593419;nubbins`;tbf i came to this chan with no such delusion 509472;1392593434;mircea_popescu;why be fair ? 509473;1392593444;nubbins`;it's all that separates us from the savages 509474;1392593451;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: "На коне своем любимом Мирча в самой гуще боя, / Он ведет свою лавину, попирая все живое." 509475;1392593460;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 2 BTC [+] 509476;1392593462;TATwalking;that and the Canadian border 509477;1392593472;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i know i know, it's very flattering. 509478;1392593477;nubbins`;TATwalking: unfortunately, we let americans through all the time 509479;1392593482;asciilifeform;named after this fellow? 509480;1392593503;mircea_popescu;the actual subject is mircea the old, http://istoriiregasite.wordpress.com/2012/06/08/cine-a-fost-mircea-si-de-ce-i-s-a-spus-cel-batran/ 509481;1392593509;asciilifeform;aha. 509482;1392593513;mircea_popescu;well no, named after my father. 509483;1392593521;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06720001 = 0.5376 BTC [+] 509484;1392593522;nubbins`;the only instance i can recall that a canadian went the other way is when that guy swam from windsor to detroit after slamming 8 beers, to see if he could 509485;1392593539;nubbins`;(he could) 509486;1392593549;Vexual;thats called@ after breakfast@ here 509487;1392593553;TATwalking;and birner 509488;1392593560;TATwalking;bieber 509489;1392593581;mircea_popescu;TATwalking stop derping with your smartphone and pick up women 509490;1392593582;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.128625 = 0.5145 BTC [+] {2} 509491;1392593584;mircea_popescu;that's what walks are for. 509492;1392593599;TATwalking;lol 509493;1392593606;TATwalking;these are too heavy 509494;1392593610;nubbins`;the women? 509495;1392593620;TATwalking;:) 509496;1392593636;Vexual;hes carrying two desktops 509497;1392593643;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00297498 = 0.2975 BTC [+] 509498;1392593652;nubbins`;one for irc, one for ___ 509499;1392593654;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform technically Mircea însuşi mână-n luptă vijelia-ngrozitoare, Care vine, vine, vine, calcă totul în picioare; is mircea himself leads into battle the fearsome tempest that coming, coming, coming, tramples everything underfoot. 509500;1392593678;mircea_popescu;they didn't have cgi in the 1800s, and you can almost see how much they'd have liked it 509501;1392593682;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: more or less exactly. 509502;1392593685;mircea_popescu;by all the effort they put into verbaly emmulating it 509503;1392593694;asciilifeform;hell, Homer does just this. 509504;1392593701;mircea_popescu;indeed. 509505;1392593704;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06720001 = 0.2688 BTC [+] 509506;1392593714;nubbins`;turns out dickens didn't go on about the grocers for the word count 509507;1392593874;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/john-morillo-windsor-man-who-swam-across-detroit-river-regrets-it-1.2476250 509508;1392593880;ozbot;John Morillo, Windsor man who swam across Detroit River, regrets it - Windsor - CBC News 509509;1392593991;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: love the ending. 509510;1392594006;mircea_popescu;remarkably reusable for 150 yo code. 509511;1392594029;asciilifeform;always had a soft spot for herr Tepes. 509512;1392594043;Namworld;Fun gif: http://i.imgur.com/RNW1vdF.gif 509513;1392594078;mircea_popescu;you mean the actual vlad or the other vlad dracul guy ? 509514;1392594085;asciilifeform;actual. 509515;1392594106;asciilifeform;the one who knew what to do with turks. 509516;1392594108;mircea_popescu;he beheaded a bunch of medieval jpm&co bankers 509517;1392594109;benkay;that's intense Namworld 509518;1392594119;mircea_popescu;as a result got a pretty bad wrap in the english language press of the time 509519;1392594122;mircea_popescu;which was german. 509520;1392594126;benkay;mircea_popescu: "bad rap" 509521;1392594134;benkay;as in rap sheet, arrest history 509522;1392594177;Namworld;It sure is... 509523;1392594182;mircea_popescu;that'd be the literal. 509524;1392594303;mircea_popescu;Kazıklı Bey haha good one. 509525;1392594365;WillTablet;Hello 509526;1392594439;benkay;welcome 509527;1392594440;WillTablet;I gave myself a challenge - break even on the $18 worth of server I used to mine about 0.007 BTC worth of dogecoin 509528;1392594453;benkay;and? 509529;1392594479;WillTablet;And I'm pretty interested to see how it ends up 509530;1392594484;nubbins`;:/ 509531;1392594489;nubbins`;anti-climax 509532;1392594503;benkay;;;ticker 509533;1392594504;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 625.66, Best ask: 625.68, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 625.68, 24 hour volume: 26319.78171749, 24 hour low: 590.01, 24 hour high: 670.0, 24 hour vwap: 627.53549918 509534;1392594506;WillTablet;Ima try and get some of it back, I prolly won't break even 509535;1392594516;benkay;;;calc 623 * 0.007 509536;1392594516;gribble;4.361 509537;1392594522;WillTablet;Ima lend it to a reputable borrower on btcjam or something 509538;1392594530;benkay;why not just learn the lesson, WillTablet? 509539;1392594547;benkay;you're only out like 12 buck 509540;1392594554;WillTablet;During the loan period, I will read up on shares and economics 509541;1392594556;nubbins`;reputable borrower 509542;1392594573;benkay;hey WillTablet let me give you a bit of insight 509543;1392594579;WillTablet;Go ahead 509544;1392594583;nubbins`;if there's one thing that speaks to a man's repute, it's his constant need of loans 509545;1392594589;pankkake;is btcjam like coinlenders? 509546;1392594592;benkay;in ten years that 0.007 BTC will be worth several x your dollars 509547;1392594604;benkay;without any risk due to lending it out. 509548;1392594612;WillTablet;True 509549;1392594616;mircea_popescu;pankkake it;s more like a logical continuation of glbse. 509550;1392594628;mircea_popescu;they came out with figures at some point that on average 30% of loans were delinquent. 509551;1392594643;mircea_popescu;(course ignoramuses that they are, it was a victorious point of pride) 509552;1392594654;nubbins`;almost 70% of loans repaid! 509553;1392594660;WillTablet;benkay: if that's the case, why does anyone invest? I want to do it as an experiment, and expect to lose it all 509554;1392594675;asciilifeform;'Filtration System, a Marvel to Behold! It Removes 80% of Human Solid Waste!' 509555;1392594679;benkay;if you expect to lose it, why bother? 509556;1392594687;benkay;if you want to actually invest it, put it into MPEx. 509557;1392594701;benkay;it's a really good question, WillTablet. 509558;1392594705;nubbins`;yeah, put 0.0007 btc into mpex 509559;1392594711;WillTablet;Sarcasm? 509560;1392594713;nubbins`;yes 509561;1392594720;nubbins`;altho i think benkay was srs 509562;1392594722;benkay;the fundamental assumption is that a given operation will grow in value faster than btc. 509563;1392594723;ThickAsThieves;i saw a btcjam presentation once, he was surprisingly transparent 509564;1392594728;ThickAsThieves;considering how ba dthe numbers are 509565;1392594734;benkay;eh semi serious 509566;1392594738;benkay;kiddo doesn't know mpex 509567;1392594741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00087198 = 4.8831 BTC [-] 509568;1392594741;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the point there being that there's a point of delinquency where loan packages become unworthy. all this is old fiat finance grease. 509569;1392594752;mircea_popescu;like you know, knowing what a space cadet kbd is. 509570;1392594753;benkay;0.007'd get et by jurov's fees instantly right? 509571;1392594763;WillTablet;mpex costs like 30 BTC a seat though 509572;1392594779;benkay;WillTablet: http://coinbr.com, although i think fees would eat you alive 509573;1392594780;nubbins`;i think the min deposit is more than that 509574;1392594787;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fave story re: tepes: 'Некогда же обедоваше под трупием мертвых человек, иже на колие саженых, множество бо округ стола его; он же среди их ядяше и тем услажашеся. Слуга же его, иже пред ним ясти ставляше, смраду оного не могии тер 509575;1392594787;asciilifeform;пети и заткну нос и на страну главу свою склони. Он же вопроси его: "что ради тако чинишь?" Он же отвеща государю: "не могу смрада сего терпети". Дракула же ту и повеле его на кол всадити, глаголя: "тамо ти есть высоко жити, смрад не м 509576;1392594788;ThickAsThieves;i imagine btcjam will be end up as proportionally unpopular as Prosper.com 509577;1392594788;asciilifeform;ожеть тебе доити".' (old russ. from http://www.old-russian.chat.ru/09drakula.htm) 509578;1392594798;benkay;your alternative is to throw it away on scams that don't have fees because they're not really businesses. 509579;1392594809;ThickAsThieves;-be 509580;1392594811;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/15/us-germany-france-idUSBREA1E0IG20140215 509581;1392594814;benkay;if you want to learn investing, borrow some money from your parents WillTablet and put it into Tesla. 509582;1392594835;benkay;some into us treasury bonds 509583;1392594836;ozbot;Merkel, Hollande to discuss European communication network avoiding U.S. 509584;1392594843;asciilifeform;translation: 'once dining under the corpses of men, those impaled on stakes, many sat around his table, dining among him and in this taking plasure. servant of his, placing food before him, could not endure the stench, 509585;1392594843;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i never heard of prosper.com 509586;1392594846;ThickAsThieves;tsla is a pretty nicely volatile stock to play with 509587;1392594852;ThickAsThieves;now you have! 509588;1392594861;nubbins`;but bitcoin gives my portfolio all the volatility that i need 509589;1392594871;ThickAsThieves;it's pretty old 509590;1392594876;WillTablet;benkay: heh my parents wouldn't let me 509591;1392594880;asciilifeform;and plugged his nose and turned his head. lord asked him, 'why do you this.' answered he: 'cannot endure the stench'. 509592;1392594888;WillTablet;I'm actually lending money to them atm 509593;1392594903;benkay;sounds like a rat fuck of bad decisions, WillTablet 509594;1392594906;benkay;why are you doing that? 509595;1392594915;ThickAsThieves;lend money to parents? 509596;1392594918;ThickAsThieves;just give it 509597;1392594923;asciilifeform;drakula ordered the man sat upon the stake, taller than others: 'high is this place, you will live free of the stench there.' 509598;1392594927;nubbins`;rat fuck, i like that 509599;1392594928;asciilifeform;(end of trans.) 509600;1392594935;benkay;they'll take it from you when they're old and dying anyways. 509601;1392594937;mircea_popescu;hehe 509602;1392594944;WillTablet;They are giving me something like 3% interest, might be 5 actually 509603;1392594955;benkay;more likely -100%. 509604;1392594986;WillTablet;I might play about with investopedia 509605;1392595004;benkay;*sigh* 509606;1392595007;benkay;have fun, kid. 509607;1392595007;ThickAsThieves;question, did any of you tell your parents to buy btc? 509608;1392595011;benkay;yup. 509609;1392595013;nubbins`;yes 509610;1392595026;ThickAsThieves;and did they? 509611;1392595029;nubbins`;no 509612;1392595030;kakobrekla;i got mine in at 5$. 509613;1392595036;benkay;good man 509614;1392595049;nubbins`;gave my dad a casascius coin for his birthday one year 509615;1392595053;benkay;mine were burning retirement capital until 6 months ago 509616;1392595059;WillTablet;benkay: sarcasm? 509617;1392595067;benkay;irony 509618;1392595073;benkay;WillTablet ^^ 509619;1392595092;Mats_cd03;whats going on with these tx inssues 509620;1392595098;Mats_cd03;^issues 509621;1392595100;benkay;the internet isn't going to teach you anything about investing except via exceptional losses. 509622;1392595104;WillTablet;So basically, the best thing to do with my bitcoins is to forget about them till I see on the news oh BTC is worth £4000 now 509623;1392595117;asciilifeform;EU: 'we'll build separate net. and run more winblows. our road to victory.' 509624;1392595119;Mats_cd03;bitpay doesn't work anymore, whining about some signature or other 509625;1392595138;ThickAsThieves;"We'll talk with France about how we can maintain a high level of data protection," Merkel said. 509626;1392595149;WillTablet;They have a market simulator though I suppose the psychological effect is different if its not real money 509627;1392595165;Duffer1;keep your btc 509628;1392595193;benkay;keep your btc 509629;1392595199;ThickAsThieves;seems like an awful lot of trouble to not solve spying 509630;1392595201;WillTablet;keep your btc 509631;1392595201;benkay;hang on WillTablet i have a book for you 509632;1392595220;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eu : we will say all sorts of things in no relation to what we actually do. it's what built rome. 509633;1392595229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.0008724 = 14.0456 BTC [+] 509634;1392595231;benkay;WillTablet: there are two books for you to read before you put any money into the market 509635;1392595240;WillTablet;Okay 509636;1392595240;benkay;The Intelligent Investor by Benjamin Graham 509637;1392595247;pankkake;ThickAsThieves: yeah, it's a high level of full of shitness. I hope nothing comes out of it, because the real motives probably aren't good 509638;1392595251;WillTablet;Are they heavy reading? 509639;1392595252;benkay;and Buffett - the Making of an American Capitalist 509640;1392595258;mircea_popescu;hey not bad. 509641;1392595279;mircea_popescu;krugman approved reading. 509642;1392595284;benkay;yup. 509643;1392595286;Duffer1;ha 509644;1392595293;benkay;if you can't make it through them, you're not ready for the markets. 509645;1392595297;WillTablet;Might get the pdf as parents would probably be like wtf investing 509646;1392595300;benkay;mircea_popescu: you have recommendations? 509647;1392595309;benkay;WillTablet: yeah get u some pdfs 509648;1392595318;benkay;WillTablet: learning is free these days. take advantage of it. 509649;1392595333;benkay;WillTablet: far more difficult than when we were taught, but hey this is the real world. 509650;1392595335;mircea_popescu;benkay i dun see a problem. 509651;1392595343;Mats_cd03;books are for nerds 509652;1392595350;mircea_popescu;so is your girlfriend. 509653;1392595361;WillTablet;benkay: does it involve anything more that grade 10 maths? 509654;1392595365;benkay;nope. 509655;1392595367;WillTablet;Good 509656;1392595368;Mats_cd03;i pray to god for investment purposes 509657;1392595373;WillTablet;Then I should be fine 509658;1392595390;Mats_cd03;my homeboy jesus knows whats good with k street 509659;1392595394;mircea_popescu;if you gotta pray to god for investment purpoises better make sure you pray to the god of the jooze. 509660;1392595399;benkay;the most complicated thing you'll ever encounter in most practical investment problems is time discounting of money WillTablet 509661;1392595423;benkay;WillTablet: have you worked with exponentials? 509662;1392595426;mircea_popescu;either that or set theory. 509663;1392595428;WillTablet;Sort of 509664;1392595429;benkay;^1/5 etc? 509665;1392595436;benkay;e^-iπ? 509666;1392595440;WillTablet;No 509667;1392595444;benkay;it's not that bad :) 509668;1392595452;WillTablet;shouldn't be too bad, no 509669;1392595455;benkay;and you won't need it to learn the important stuff about not losing your shirt. 509670;1392595460;benkay;but kid listen 509671;1392595464;benkay;sit on your butts 509672;1392595473;benkay;acquire more, don't burn the ones you have. 509673;1392595501;Mats_cd03;buy some atc, its the hot new thiing 509674;1392595509;Mats_cd03;in fact... trade all your buttcoins for atc 509675;1392595512;benkay;yeah hey mircea_popescu give the kid some atc 509676;1392595549;mircea_popescu;what am i, made of money ? 509677;1392595550;ThickAsThieves;WillTablet go here and install the wallet www.therealaltcoin.org 509678;1392595556;WillTablet;The kid 509679;1392595556;ThickAsThieves;i'll give him some 509680;1392595566;kakobrekla;Willy The Kid 509681;1392595570;mircea_popescu;WillTablet he's trying to be me, don't take it to heart. 509682;1392595580;WillTablet;Sorry, I am on an android ATM 509683;1392595583;WillTablet;Will google 509684;1392595588;pankkake;https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc trades happenin! 509685;1392595599;ozbot;X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin 509686;1392595616;benkay;so how do we get the atc ticker in -assets? 509687;1392595619;mircea_popescu;Learn your Atc Btc Ctcs! 509688;1392595639;mircea_popescu;mebbe if we .bait assbot 509689;1392595674;Duffer1;.bait brought to you by Altcoin 509690;1392595675;WillTablet;ThickAsThieves: could you do so tomorrow maybe? I'm supposed to be in bed ATM, and am 509691;1392595687;benkay;.bait 509692;1392595690;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2unva3IM91r3drngo1_500.jpg 509693;1392595708;Mats_cd03;lols 509694;1392595788;Bugpowder;ThickAsThieves: I got my dad in at $20, he exited at $80, happy to make $60k. 509695;1392595796;pankkake;well, x-bt API is annoying. need an api key even to get trades 509696;1392595801;Vexual;http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=0eb0fad 509697;1392595813;ozbot;Image View - TIS 509698;1392595821;Apocalyptic;pankkake, yeah, a public API is under construction 509699;1392595832;Bugpowder;I knew I should have bought on the dip below $600... 509700;1392595842;Bugpowder;Just added a bit at $625. 509701;1392595874;Bugpowder;Where is the alt faucet? 509702;1392595913;asciilifeform;"came to drakula two catholic monks, from the hungarian lands, pittances to collect. he ordered them brought apart, and called up one, pointed to the yard, where one could see many sat upon stakes, or on wheels broken. he did ask: 'was i just? and who are these people, sitting on stakes?' answered the monk, 'no, lord, you do evil, killing without mercy; a lord must be merciful. and those sat upon the stakes - a 509703;1392595913;asciilifeform;re martyrs!' drakula called in the other monk and asked him same. he did answer: 'you, lord, are called by god to put to death evildoers and reward the virtuous. as for those upon the stakes, they wrought evil and were justly punished.' drakula spoke again to the first monk, 'why did you leave your cloister in the monastery and walk about the courts of great lords, if you know nothing of the world? you said you 509704;1392595914;asciilifeform;rself, these people are martyrs. so i wish to make you a martyr, be in the company of your fellows.' and ordered him sat upon a stake, but the other monk, sent with fifty golden ducats back to the hungarian borders, 'you are a wise man.' 509705;1392595942;WillTablet;Wonder what they mean by virtually priceless? 509706;1392595945;benkay;it's nice seeing y'all hash through the requirements of launching an altcoin 509707;1392595947;WillTablet;Does that mean worthless? 509708;1392595961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00087198 = 3.3135 BTC [-] 509709;1392595978;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform :) 509710;1392595984;mircea_popescu;help create the world you wish to live in. 509711;1392596008;asciilifeform;circa 1486. "Сказание о Дракуле-воеводе." translation mine. 509712;1392596018;mircea_popescu;benkay it's not really belonging on the list. let people do their own charity personally. 509713;1392596051;pankkake;well, it doesn't even werk. or I'm using my client wrong … 509714;1392596119;mircea_popescu;curious what cads reads off that story :D 509715;1392596131;benkay;i hear and obey 509716;1392596144;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG.F2] 2 @ 2 = 4 BTC [+] 509717;1392596161;mircea_popescu;many hurias await thee in the land beyond the wobbles. 509718;1392596230;mircea_popescu;hm i guess in english it actually is houries 509719;1392596277;benkay;save the houries for chaang-noi 509720;1392596318;mircea_popescu;i doubt he gets any. 509721;1392596321;cads;hmm, what is this land beyond the wobbles? 509722;1392596327;ThickAsThieves; ThickAsThieves: could you do so tomorrow maybe? I'm supposed to be in bed ATM, and am /// yes just find me whenever 509723;1392596327;mircea_popescu;he'll prolly have to fuck cockroaches for all eternity. 509724;1392596332;asciilifeform;'came once from the hungarian lands a merchant to the city of drakula. and, as is custom at his court, left his cart on the city street in front of the house, and his wares - on the cart, and himself went to sleep in the house. and someone did steal from the cart 160 gold ducats. the merchant came to drakula, spoke to him of the missing gold. drakula answered, 'go, this same night you will have your gold again. 509725;1392596332;asciilifeform;' and ordered that in the whole city the thief be sought, 'should you fail to find him, the city shall perish.' and ordered the same night his old gold placed on the cart - with one added duacat. morning came, the mechant counted the gold, and counted again, then exclaimed: 'i have my gold again, but a ducat is extra!' and then the thief was caught, and the stolen gold brought. spoke drakula to the merchant th 509726;1392596332;asciilifeform;us: 'go with peace. and had you not spoken to me of the ducat, you would sit on this same stake as the thief.' 509727;1392596339;WillTablet;ThickAsThieves: yes 509728;1392596346;mircea_popescu;cads you know monty python ? the "there goes the neighbourhood" sketch ? 509729;1392596361;WillTablet;I have my PC on, since I am remarkably bad-ass 509730;1392596363;cads;:D 509731;1392596374;cads;ah, I haven't seen it 509732;1392596385;cads;is it john cleese making the speech about the wobbles? 509733;1392596389;mircea_popescu;see, romanians are uncultivated. 509734;1392596393;ThickAsThieves; Where is the alt faucet? /// is this needed for proliferation you think? 509735;1392596394;mircea_popescu;no, it's a cartoon 509736;1392596400;benkay;asciilifeform: what is this from which you're quoting? 509737;1392596421;ThickAsThieves; Wonder what they mean by virtually priceless? /// so do we 509738;1392596430;WillTablet;Ah 509739;1392596451;asciilifeform;benkay: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#509711 509740;1392596464;WillTablet;Are yoy trying to make a point here? That altcoin is just another random coin that will never be used? 509741;1392596476;benkay;asciilifeform: context? 509742;1392596484;asciilifeform;benkay: scroll up. 509743;1392596485;ThickAsThieves;that's not the point 509744;1392596499;WillTablet;What is the point? 509745;1392596515;ThickAsThieves;that there doesnt need to be one for everything to change 509746;1392596533;WillTablet;One what? 509747;1392596538;ThickAsThieves;point 509748;1392596552;WillTablet;Uhhhh-uh 509749;1392596559;ThickAsThieves;it's heavy shit 509750;1392596575;WillTablet;ThickAsThieves: I don't follow this 509751;1392596583;cads;asciilifeform: hah, awesome stories 509752;1392596596;Chris_Sabian_;TAT - so the only thing different about Altcoin is the name? 509753;1392596596;WillTablet;However, I'm guessing the altcoins were a lie 509754;1392596601;kakobrekla;WillTablet its the 15th standard. 509755;1392596625;ThickAsThieves;youre trying too hard to fit it into a box, but it is a box 509756;1392596629;benkay;the coin is a lie 509757;1392596637;kakobrekla;the cake is a bill 509758;1392596659;cads;asciilifeform: are there more in the collection? 509759;1392596660;mircea_popescu;the little boy was a slice of cake! 509760;1392596665;asciilifeform;cads: tons. 509761;1392596676;WillTablet;ThickAsThieves: not helping that much 509762;1392596694;cads;:D 509763;1392596699;Chris_Sabian_;there are people buying altcoin for 350 - 500 satoshi on 2 exchanges 509764;1392596702;mircea_popescu;Chris_Sabian_ your mistake here is to proceed on the wholly prepasterous cads worldview, whereas that which matter doesn't matter, and that which is left once you're done ignoring what matters can then be counted. 509765;1392596722;ThickAsThieves;all these coins are just coins, and what makes them different is how people use them, whether they use them, etc 509766;1392596732;mircea_popescu;and who uses them, and for what. 509767;1392596737;ThickAsThieves;yep 509768;1392596740;mircea_popescu;because, yet again, people aren't interchangeable. 509769;1392596746;mircea_popescu;and there's no such thing as "views". 509770;1392596780;WillTablet;So any investment is just defined by how its used? Like if all pound coins but one in the world was destroyed, the one pound would become worth more than jhst a pound? 509771;1392596786;mircea_popescu;so you are, you'll be forever remembered as the goldstain of some views you didn't even hold. 509772;1392596790;mircea_popescu;(consciously) 509773;1392596794;mircea_popescu;in a sense, you're being raped. 509774;1392596795;ThickAsThieves;no Will 509775;1392596817;mircea_popescu;s/goldstain/goldstein 509776;1392596837;WillTablet;If confusing teenagers is this fun, I can kinda see why teachers do it 509777;1392596844;ThickAsThieves;coins arent exactly investments 509778;1392596845;mircea_popescu;yw. 509779;1392596860;benkay;goldstain was pretty good 509780;1392596874;ThickAsThieves;they are vessels 509781;1392596875;WillTablet;ThickAsThieves: so in order to make a good decision one has to look at what other people do and where that got them? 509782;1392596887;ThickAsThieves;hey! 509783;1392596888;kakobrekla;sounds like something desirable, goldstain. 509784;1392596889;mircea_popescu;WillTablet as the girl explains. didja read it ? 509785;1392596890;ThickAsThieves;good thougth 509786;1392596901;ThickAsThieves;thought* 509787;1392596915;mircea_popescu;spicasspielers can't speal. 509788;1392596924;WillTablet;mircea_popescu: where? 509789;1392596935;ThickAsThieves;i can spell just fine, it's my fingers that never graduated 509790;1392596940;mircea_popescu;;;google mpoe-pr personal responsibility and the ponzi scam 509791;1392596941;gribble;Personal responsiblity and the Ponzi scam. - Bitcoin Forum: ; How Pyramid Schemes and Ponzi Schemes are Prosecuted in the ...: ; Domestic Taxation - LEHMAN TAX LAW: 509792;1392596964;mircea_popescu;1. Learn the pecking order. All opinions are not equal. Some people are to be respected. Learn who. Some people are irrelevant and easily ignored. Learn who. More importantly than the who, learn why. Is it just because "everyone else seems to think so"? That's no good, forget it. Is it because they were right when everyone else was wrong? That's perfect, especially if it occurs with any sort of consistency. 509793;1392596977;mircea_popescu;4. Step outside of your ideology. You might have been brought up in a very repressive social milieu in which some particular ideological slant was drilled into you. This is working to your disadvantage, get rid of it. Are you sticking up for your friends because they're your friends rather than because they have a point? Great for facebook, horrible for BTC. You will lose money. Are you following the crowd like a welfa 509794;1392596977;mircea_popescu;re state lemming? Great for the white collar slave, horrible for BTC. You will lose money. Do you think form is above content and as such it's okay to invade foreign countries and slaughter civilians just as long as nobody says shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker or tits on TV? Great for being an American, horrible for the free world. You will lose money. 509795;1392596978;mircea_popescu;etc 509796;1392596995;benkay;welfare state lemming. 509797;1392596999;benkay;yummy. 509798;1392597013;mircea_popescu;i hear people actually eat lemming 509799;1392597017;mircea_popescu;never had one myself. 509800;1392597026;benkay;shoes too, some of 'em. 509801;1392597040;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves probably cause while you were in school, they were cutting class into the schoolmates. 509802;1392597066;WillTablet;Right 509803;1392597070;WillTablet;Maybe I get this 509804;1392597071;WillTablet;Idk 509805;1392597078;mircea_popescu;what's the rush anyway. 509806;1392597103;benkay;WillTablet: you're probably young enough for it to make sense the first time you read it. consider it a blessing! 509807;1392597113;WillTablet;Seriously, prolly having some form of ASD is taking its toll hear 509808;1392597118;WillTablet;*here 509809;1392597127;WillTablet;Can someone just explain what they mean 509810;1392597128;mircea_popescu;what's the asd/atc rate ? 509811;1392597143;benkay;maybe, but channel that into focus on important things and learn how to handle humans. it /is/ a learnable skill. 509812;1392597167;WillTablet;Oh and my altcoin client says no block source available 509813;1392597205;Duffer1;pankakke have an addnode list? 509814;1392597213;mircea_popescu;wasn't it on the forum ? 509815;1392597213;Chris_Sabian_;you need to add a node 509816;1392597213;asciilifeform;'came once to drakula an envoy from the great hungarian king mathias; a noble baron, of polish birth. and drakula did sit and dine with him among the corpses. and the envoy saw before him on the ground, a thick and gilded stake, and then drakula asked of the envoy: 'tell me, for what have i prepared this stake?' fear took hold of the envoy, who thought a while, and spoke: 'seems to me, my lord, that someone amo 509817;1392597213;asciilifeform;ng the noble has dealt with you unjustly, and for him you have prepared a death more stately than for others.' drakula answered, 'you speak the truth. here you are - an envoy of a great lord, a kingly emissary, it is for you that i have crafted this stake.' answered the envoy, 'lord, if i have wrought an injustice worthy of death - do with me as you will. you are an impartial judge - it is not you who shall be 509818;1392597214;asciilifeform;to blame for my demise, but i alone.' drakula laughed, and spoke thus, 'had you not answered as you did, you would have sat down upon this stake.' and the lord ordered the envoy honoured, and gifted, and sent off in peace, with the words: 'you may walk as an envoy from great lords, to great lords, because you know how to speak to great lords; while others ought not even try, but let them first learn how to spea 509819;1392597219;asciilifeform;k to a great lord.' such was the custom of drakula: when an inexperienced envoy came to him, from a king or an emperor, and could not answer the wily questions of drakula, he would be sat upon a stake, drakula saying to him this: 'not i am to blame for your demise, but your lord is, or perhaps you are. for if your lord knew that you are unintelligent and inexperienced, and still sent you to me - a wise lord, yo 509820;1392597226;asciilifeform;ur own lord has slaine you. if you yourself had decided to come, with your own hand you have slain your own self.' and thus did the lord prepare for an emissary a tall gilded stake, and sat him down upon it, and to his lord he would send a message praying that in the future he not send to the wise and learned ruler a stupid and unlearned envoy.' 509821;1392597260;mod6;Need to add a node to altcoin.conf: Nodes: 188.165.216.59, 125.120.196.224, 68.35.72.33, 162.243.123.118 509822;1392597299;WillTablet;Yuhuh 509823;1392597313;WillTablet;So does this advice have anything to do with the offer of atc 509824;1392597332;mircea_popescu;what offer of atc ?! 509825;1392597334;WillTablet;Does the offer somehow make a point or do the points somehow make the offer 509826;1392597336;mircea_popescu;who's offering atc! 509827;1392597386;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform going a little too far isn't it ? 509828;1392597396;kakobrekla;the round rocks beneath the ground have spoken through the fire 509829;1392597425;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.12278 = 3.6834 BTC [-] {4} 509830;1392597431;Bugpowder;MPEx should have an ATC futures market, with delivery. 509831;1392597443;Duffer1;I believe I recall TaT offering ATC 509832;1392597449;mircea_popescu;nobody really has enough atc yet 509833;1392597450;WillTablet;I don't gave an altcoin.conf 509834;1392597464;Bugpowder;Maybe ATC.DIFF? 509835;1392597474;WillTablet;*have 509836;1392597478;Duffer1;it's just a .txt you create yourself and drop in the wallet folder 509837;1392597481;Chris_Sabian_;you need to make one 509838;1392597487;Bugpowder;We need some way to get in the ATC game. Why can't MPEx provide it? 509839;1392597499;kakobrekla;its not a .txt its a .conf! 509840;1392597507;Duffer1;er yea 509841;1392597517;benkay;Bugpowder: maybe an alt PMB 509842;1392597521;Duffer1;use notepad, add your text, name the file altcoin.conf 509843;1392597522;Apocalyptic;heh 509844;1392597524;Chris_Sabian_;you create a .txt file with the info in it and then remain it as .conf 509845;1392597534;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder what's wrong with just populating the spot on apocalyptic's thing 509846;1392597534;kakobrekla;why dont we just call pirate do do another round of trust 509847;1392597546;Chris_Sabian_;path in windows: C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\Altcoin 509848;1392597571;pankkake;kakobrekla: niggers.conf 509849;1392597579;Vexual;.dubstep 509850;1392597580;Duffer1;lol 509851;1392597586;kakobrekla;ithink its more beautysalon.txt 509852;1392597601;pankkake;the node I'm running is 188.165.216.59 and it's in the source code, if you built from it 509853;1392597608;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.19376446 = 3.6815 BTC [+] 509854;1392597615;Apocalyptic;Bugpowder, they're waiting for you @ https://www.x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc 509855;1392597642;kakobrekla;if you had to put css on it, at least make it look rite 509856;1392597646;Bugpowder;Do you have charts? I need charts to do TA. 509857;1392597688;pankkake;doesn't even have working api! 509858;1392597709;WillTablet;So I put this in the altcoin.conf? 509859;1392597711;WillTablet;Nodes: 188.165.216.59, 125.120.196.224, 68.35.72.33, 162.243.123.118 509860;1392597714;Apocalyptic;no charts, pankkake lies 509861;1392597721;kakobrekla;kako doesnt! 509862;1392597818;kakobrekla;WillTablet the third book is the book of assets log 509863;1392597819;mod6;WillTablet no 509864;1392597828;mod6;needs to be: 509865;1392597834;mod6;addnode= 509866;1392597838;WillTablet;Okay 509867;1392597845;kakobrekla;just do it in console 509868;1392597850;kakobrekla;simpler. 509869;1392597882;mod6;and as much as i lothe btctawk, read through this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.0;all 509870;1392597914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00087211 = 16.0468 BTC [+] 509871;1392598019;WillTablet;Got it 509872;1392598025;WillTablet;Might take a while to sync 509873;1392598058;mod6;werd 509874;1392598093;Bugpowder;I need to setup my miner 509875;1392598097;Duffer1;how many mb is the altcoin blockchain up to? 509876;1392598123;WillTablet;I have a feeling this might take a while 509877;1392598129;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 100mb overhead and like 750 bytes of txn 509878;1392598153;Duffer1;did you guys ever get the source? 509879;1392598166;mircea_popescu;the most inefficient way to process information ever invented. 509880;1392598169;cads;hey guys, lemme offer my apologies for stirring up the channel last evening 509881;1392598187;cads;I was a trollish ass 509882;1392598203;WillTablet;So what exactly is special about ATC? What does priceless even mean? 509883;1392598215;Bugpowder;I am willing to buy 10BTC worth of ATC, OTC... pm me. 509884;1392598228;mircea_popescu;cads that's the point of life dood. 509885;1392598250;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder at what price ? 509886;1392598251;nubbins`;to drink good wine before one's time? 509887;1392598266;Vexual;troll your pancreas 509888;1392598269;WillTablet;So this is still 2 weeks behind, no progress 509889;1392598276;WillTablet;Should I have added more nodes? 509890;1392598292;Bugpowder;250 satoshi / ATC 509891;1392598301;mod6;Bug: I didn't have much luck with an order on the book for a week. Try x-bt, market seems to be between 400-500 satoshi 509892;1392598338;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder i doubt that many atcs exist yet even 509893;1392598352;mircea_popescu;;;calc 10*10**8 / 250 509894;1392598352;gribble;4000000 509895;1392598355;Vexual;nope 509896;1392598366;kakobrekla;Coins in circulation: 8,735,232 of ~268 Million (3.25%) 509897;1392598374;WillTablet;I feel so fucking stupid 509898;1392598376;Bugpowder;People said dogecoin was a joke, but ended up being very profitable for me. Altcoin's great benefit is optionality (look it up, I mean the technical finance term). 509899;1392598390;WillTablet;Ermahgerd 509900;1392598396;mod6;I got scammed out of 44k ATC @ openex so beware. 509901;1392598404;mircea_popescu;wow how ? 509902;1392598407;Vexual;how scammed? 509903;1392598416;Chris_Sabian_;mod6: there is an admin online on openex so you can be able to chat 509904;1392598421;mod6;they banned my account for no apparent reason, and haven't processed my last withdrawl. 509905;1392598436;WillTablet;Though doing cpu mining with altcoins and then buying BTC seems more profitable 509906;1392598439;Bugpowder;gox strat 509907;1392598450;mircea_popescu;outrageous. 509908;1392598451;mod6;So, it's kinda a wait and see situation. Ihave an email into their admins. Will give update when they make good. 509909;1392598462;Bugpowder;WillTablet: Depends on where you are on the adoption curve 509910;1392598499;WillTablet;Well, I am just burning up free azure credit 509911;1392598500;Chris_Sabian_;if anyone wants to make an altcoin p2p pool with bfgminer, that would be great 509912;1392598509;Vexual;mod6, they pay a lot of admins, i wonder what they do all day? 509913;1392598514;mircea_popescu;doesn't the current one support bfg ? 509914;1392598522;Chris_Sabian_;cgminer 509915;1392598523;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06720001 = 0.2688 BTC [+] 509916;1392598531;mod6;Looks like x-bt did process my withdrawl today.. so far so good. Thx to Apoc. 509917;1392598537;benkay;also WillTablet you're going to want to ditch that Microsoft habit. gonna get you in trouble. 509918;1392598553;WillTablet;benkay: how so? 509919;1392598555;Bugpowder;ATC needs a killer app though. Has anyone talked to dooglus about ATCdice/ 509920;1392598556;Bugpowder;? 509921;1392598562;mod6;Vexual: they just ban accounts apparently. 509922;1392598563;pankkake;Chris_Sabian_: http://coinminer.net:19982/static/ is a p2pool 509923;1392598564;Chris_Sabian_;mod6: was that your 20k alt sold? 509924;1392598568;mod6;for no gd reason 509925;1392598582;mod6;Chris:that was a buy 509926;1392598582;benkay;no time to explain. ask the channel. 509927;1392598595;Chris_Sabian_;how can I pm on here? 509928;1392598598;WillTablet;So why must I quit this Microsoft habit? 509929;1392598599;mircea_popescu;/query name 509930;1392598630;jborkl;Bitcore library made all that much easier 509931;1392598677;WillTablet;So is altcoin a joke or a deliberately bad example? 509932;1392598686;mircea_popescu;it's a deliberately bad joke. 509933;1392598718;Chris_Sabian_;but it is a bad joke that is selling for 350 satoshi each 509934;1392598743;mircea_popescu;amusingly, i bought a bunch for a third of that two weeks ago 509935;1392598752;Bugpowder;https://www.bitcoinbuilder.com 509936;1392598756;mircea_popescu;i guess this makes me like one of the early atc success stories / nouveau riches. 509937;1392598775;Vexual;bc is oldmoney now huh? 509938;1392598792;mod6;^^^ 509939;1392598822;WillTablet;mircea_popescu: so should I just play along? 509940;1392598835;WillTablet;And be like oh yeah I knew it 509941;1392598865;WillTablet;Actually, I don't think I have time in life for BTC 509942;1392598889;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20528 @ 0.00087172 = 17.8947 BTC [-] {2} 509943;1392598898;WillTablet;I mean, I haven't even figured out my intense social problems, nor stopped procrastinating 509944;1392598911;nubbins`;lel 509945;1392598978;Chris_Sabian_;right now altcoin has a market cap of ~30 btc 509946;1392598981;WillTablet;Well, procrastination I'll figure out tomorrow 509947;1392599044;BingoBoingo;WillTablet: First work on kicking the MS habit. 509948;1392599057;WillTablet;Okay, what's the problem with it? 509949;1392599067;WillTablet;It isn't losing me momey 509950;1392599070;WillTablet;*money 509951;1392599078;benkay;not yet 509952;1392599089;mircea_popescu;WillTablet not really. just give yourself time to understand stuff. 509953;1392599093;WillTablet;But it stops when the credit runs out 509954;1392599138;BingoBoingo;WillTablet: If you have intense social problems there are few better things to do anyways than pick up a *nix habit. 509955;1392599164;kakobrekla;not sure if bashable 509956;1392599166;WillTablet;*nix 509957;1392599170;WillTablet;? 509958;1392599175;cads;:D 509959;1392599176;cads;+1 509960;1392599199;BingoBoingo;WillTablet: Linux, Unix, BSD, Solaris, Plan 9 509961;1392599217;WillTablet;Oh the server is ubuntu 509962;1392599234;WillTablet;My PC dual boots lm 509963;1392599239;mircea_popescu;you know it occurs to me oses are really like altchains 509964;1392599244;WillTablet;Which I use 50/50 with windows 509965;1392599249;mircea_popescu;and it's incredible there's no titsos yet 509966;1392599307;cads;oh hey, that reminds me 509967;1392599320;cads;has anyone applied portfolio theory to the bitcoin/altcoins system? 509968;1392599351;Bugpowder;Sure.... see https://twitter.com/trengriffin 509969;1392599351;BingoBoingo;http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=39 509970;1392599354;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets bash 509971;1392599423;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder what's he written on the topic ? 509972;1392599586;pankkake;no titsos, but http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/ 509973;1392599604;mircea_popescu;meh, loli os 509974;1392599621;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC 509975;1392599626;pankkake;which was followed by the more serious http://lwn.net/Articles/565844/ 509976;1392599670;benkay;Q : How/why did you make such a great OS? 509977;1392599670;benkay;A : I thought - what would attract young users to Linux? So I created this idea after a lot of reading and work. 509978;1392599678;benkay;such work 509979;1392599682;benkay;much readong 509980;1392599684;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is rebecca black 509981;1392599689;benkay;ahahahaha 509982;1392599696;cazalla;gotta get down on friday 509983;1392599697;benkay;today in -assets, mircea_popescu catches up to 2012 509984;1392599698;pankkake;poor girl ending up as a meme 509985;1392599702;Chris_Sabian_;...just dont go there 509986;1392599709;Duffer1;^ 509987;1392599716;cads;"Manfred drops in at his hotel suite, unpacks his Aineko, plugs in a fresh set of cells to charge, and sticks most of his private 509988;1392599716;cads;keys in the safe. Then he heads straight for the party, which is currently happening at De Wildemann's; it's a twenty-minute 509989;1392599716;cads;walk, and the only real hazard is dodging the trams that sneak up on him behind the cover of his moving map display. 509990;1392599716;cads;Along the way, his glasses bring him up to date on the news. Europe has achieved peaceful political union for the first time 509991;1392599718;cads;ever: They're using this unprecedented state of affairs to harmonize the curvature of bananas. The Middle East is, well, it's 509992;1392599721;cads;just as bad as ever, but the war on fundamentalism doesn't hold much interest for Manfred. In San Diego, researchers are 509993;1392599724;cads;uploading lobsters into cyberspace, starting with the stomatogastric ganglion, one neuron at a time. They're burning GM 509994;1392599727;cads;cocoa in Belize and books in Georgia. NASA still can't put a man on the moon. Russia has reelected the communist 509995;1392599730;cads;government with an increased majority in the Duma; meanwhile, in China, fevered rumors circulate about an imminent 509996;1392599733;cads;rehabilitation, the second coming of Mao, who will save them from the consequences of the Three Gorges disaster. In 509997;1392599736;cads;business news, the US Justice Department is ironically outraged at the Baby Bills. The divested Microsoft divisions have 509998;1392599739;cads;automated their legal processes and are spawning subsidiaries, IPOing them, and exchanging title in a bizarre parody of 509999;1392599744;cads;bacterial plasmid exchange, so fast that, by the time the windfall tax demands are served, the targets don't exist anymore, 510000;1392599747;cads;even though the same staff are working on the same software in the same Mumbai cubicle farms. 510001;1392599749;cads;Welcome to the twenty-first century." 510002;1392599751;mircea_popescu;omfg we'll have to put dpaste.com in the fucking topic of the fucking channel because all the fucking noobs can't find it on their own. 510003;1392599751;cads;- snip from Accelerando 510004;1392599754;cazalla;hello again cads, how are you today 510005;1392599810;cazalla;can't use pastebin or say hello? you are rude aren't you 510006;1392599838;cads;yeah, sorry guys, I was expecting it to be two or three lines 510007;1392599859;Bugpowder;mircea_popescu: Nothing that I have seen. Just likes to blather on about theory of alt coins and bitcoins and VC shit. The whole Andressen Horowitz Twitter axis does it (Chris Dixon, Balaji Srinasivan, and Marc) Not a bad follow though 510008;1392599872;Bugpowder;Twitter exclusively from what I've seen. 510009;1392599895;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder no argument, i just thought he actually published something useful / put some work into actually applying it or w/e. 510010;1392600036;Bugpowder;Oh hey this is kinda interesting.... Almost all NEW bitcoins are spent. http://www.technologyreview.com/graphiti/524796/show-me-the-bitcoins/ 510011;1392600036;assbot;123! 510012;1392600060;BingoBoingo;Bugpowder: Because pools have to pay their hashers. 510013;1392600061;Bugpowder;Although, do they count pool payouts as "being spent" 510014;1392600061;Chris_Sabian_;spent just means sent to a different address 510015;1392600066;Bugpowder;Yup 510016;1392600077;Chris_Sabian_;some new users could use a tumbler 510017;1392600122;cads;Bugpowder: I figured it be strange for miners to predominantly sell at the market price 510018;1392600138;mircea_popescu;someone mining on their own will still use a pool. 510019;1392600143;cads;exactly 510020;1392600144;mircea_popescu;set to private. 510021;1392600156;mircea_popescu;the block rewards will be sent to some sort of storage, even if it's just a cold wallet. 510022;1392600165;mircea_popescu;consequently, derpy article about no subject. 510023;1392600168;cads;so the news is just telling us the majority of new bitcoins are mined by the pools 510024;1392600182;pankkake;actually, some pools pay with the block reward 510025;1392600184;mircea_popescu;cads except it doesn't even do that. all it says is what i said above, 510026;1392600194;mircea_popescu;"past a certain hash even solo mining uses a private pool" 510027;1392600195;pankkake;so you can know, for those pools 510028;1392600208;pankkake;but for the others, you can't 510029;1392600232;Chris_Sabian_;how about this one: https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions-excluding-popular?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=1&address= 510030;1392600239;Bugpowder;Why is intelligent coverage so hard to come by? Are they actually stupid or are they just building a narrative that is catchy but they know actually false? 510031;1392600254;pankkake;answer is in the question 510032;1392600276;Bugpowder;Jonah Lehrer and Gladwell should collab on a bitcoin book. 510033;1392600315;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder because "views". 510034;1392600334;mircea_popescu;if you optimise for the largest possible counter of "views" it is antieconomical to actually publish intelligent coverage. 510035;1392600352;Bugpowder;This is the problem with scientific publishing too 510036;1392600357;mircea_popescu;indeed. 510037;1392600366;mircea_popescu;publishers should be rewarded by indingnance. 510038;1392600376;mircea_popescu;the more pissed off more people are, the more dough they get. 510039;1392600383;Bugpowder;For example, the recent dip cells in acid and they become super stem cells paper in Nature... Bullshit 510040;1392600404;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder aww and i was eating all these oranges trying t oturn my stomach into an octopus! 510041;1392600417;Bugpowder;Post pup peer review ongoing... nobody can replicate it, now irregularities being discovered in the gel blots... 510042;1392600485;Bugpowder;http://www.ipscell.com/stap-new-data/ 510043;1392600502;Bugpowder;But the narrative is so sexy... Nature publishes 510044;1392600508;mircea_popescu;i imagine it'll be a good day when most of the people commenting on Nature are going "hey guise Nature is nasty I am ignoring it hahaha!" 510045;1392600515;Bugpowder;See also "Arsenic DNA" 510046;1392600529;Vexual;hey if it gives a viable story for where the stem cells came from in future findings, it can only be good for science 510047;1392600533;Bugpowder;mircea_popescu: That's the way it is on Twitter 510048;1392600549;cads;hmm, I might have an example of convenient narrative. I read an article of a blogger hyping maxcoin. She claims something about the mtgox situation that I can't quite understand, but seems to level the accusation that mtgox was engaging in fractional banking. 510049;1392600550;mircea_popescu;twitter is really very fragmented. 510050;1392600554;mircea_popescu;lots of idiot tribes. 510051;1392600560;Bugpowder;Vexual: Not if its total bullshit. It is negative for science, as that Nature slot is not used for something real. 510052;1392600580;cads;I don't know enough or care enough about mt gox to know what is going on there, but there was no mention of the bug or the millions lost 510053;1392600601;cads;and it seemed contrived, meant to attract money market types to maxcoin 510054;1392600601;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't go as far as to say it's bad for science, but it definitely is inconvenient for anyone not an idiot with a nature subscription. 510055;1392600608;Bugpowder;Nature guarantees that your work will be read and discussed by many scientists. We have limited bandwidth, must use it optimally. (like hanging in bitcoin-assets) 510056;1392600620;mircea_popescu;cads was it also a rewrite of the trilema gox article ? 510057;1392600646;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder obtaining cvorum on a definition of optimality however... 510058;1392600776;mircea_popescu;i mean this channel was fundamentally born out of some clueless noobs' inability to grok that intelligent discussion is more important than avoiding displays of cunt. 510059;1392600797;mircea_popescu;that and a practical smattering of impudent cockletry with delusions of hitlerism, but anwyay. 510060;1392600905;cads;my though was that if money and fund types hear there was a bug that let criminals make off with millions they'd be unlikely to even consider what maxcoin has got going on that makes it 'even better' than bitcoin 510061;1392600935;cads;but if they hear that what's going on is that a trading house is doing a fractional banking scam, that's something that appeals much more to their refined palates 510062;1392600949;mircea_popescu;nobody asked the fund types. 510063;1392600963;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1221 = 0.2442 BTC [-] 510064;1392600974;BingoBoingo;Fucking Guinea wops http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-16/money-launderer-until-proven-innocent-italy-imposes-20-tax-withholding-all-inbound-m 510065;1392600980;mircea_popescu;bitcoin will prevail in spite of the current hierarchy. 510066;1392600990;mircea_popescu;whether elements contribute or don't contribute has no systemic impact 510067;1392601003;mircea_popescu;as the sine qua non for contribution is abjuration. 510068;1392601022;BitcoinPropagand;We make free bitcoin advertising-posters-wallpapers for non-crypto users, take a look: http://bitcoinpropaganda.blogspot.com If you like what you see pls donate! 510069;1392601039;mircea_popescu;BitcoinPropagand hey, you the guy with the posters ? 510070;1392601048;BitcoinPropagand;yes 510071;1392601062;mircea_popescu;do you actually print and glue those things or just design them ? 510072;1392601087;BitcoinPropagand;just design and give them for free why? 510073;1392601115;mircea_popescu;because i'd be interested in supporting a program of propaganda against us banking interests signed MPEx/BTC 510074;1392601132;benkay;ship some to me 510075;1392601143;benkay;i'll go bike around town wheatpasting 'em 510076;1392601146;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 209 @ 0.00084499 = 0.1766 BTC [+] 510077;1392601148;BitcoinPropagand;interesting 510078;1392601149;benkay;i need something btc to do that's not this damn parser 510079;1392601156;mircea_popescu;but the facebook angle of "here's some pdfs of stuff we made in illustrator" has little adherence. 510080;1392601168;mircea_popescu;they'd have to be posted, and the postings photographed and so on. 510081;1392601172;mircea_popescu;lot of work on the ground. 510082;1392601216;Duffer1;billboards even 510083;1392601218;BitcoinPropagand;where can i see some of that? 510084;1392601218;mircea_popescu;they want to run illiterate articles in their bullshit rags nobody reads anyway, fine, let's put some paper on their limos. 510085;1392601235;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 no, specifically not billboards. 510086;1392601263;mircea_popescu;BitcoinPropagand http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-cardano-pricing-other-statements/ for instance 510087;1392601282;mircea_popescu;or http://trilema.com/2013/rng-board-is-here-cute-shirts-bonus/ if you prefer women. 510088;1392601304;mircea_popescu;i did the exact thing with Trilema posters in Romania five years ago, country was fucking full of stickers and whatnot. 510089;1392601329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00087245 = 12.2143 BTC [+] {3} 510090;1392601395;BitcoinPropagand;the t shirt of the woman is too short 510091;1392601419;mircea_popescu;that's a new one. 510092;1392601430;benkay;au contraire, not nearly short enough 510093;1392601484;cads;http://therealasset.co.uk/bitcoin-maxcoin/ okay here's the article -- the first paragraph in the section "trouble at mt gox" gives a summary of the mt gox problems - glitches in gox + a bug in bitcoin + trade halt at gox + double counting. 510094;1392601485;asciilifeform;can't resist asking, why no billboards. 510095;1392601513;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: In the US CBS owns them all and fuck CBS. 510096;1392601523;cads;The it does this: "In effect, Mt Gox had left themselves wide open to any accusation that they were no different to any other system operating on a fractional reserve basis." 510097;1392601551;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform roughly for the same reason you don't come to the global warming protest in your car. 510098;1392601560;asciilifeform;haha 510099;1392601560;cads;It reduces the (essentially context free) summary to that single rhetorically charged statement. 510100;1392601581;cads;first of all I just have to ask, 'wtf'? 510101;1392601612;mircea_popescu;cads why does some clueless piece in an irrelevant venue merit this much of your time ? 510102;1392601644;benkay;i'm pleased that 'fractional reserve' is now an insult. 510103;1392601657;mircea_popescu;now this is a good point. 510104;1392601666;benkay;3! 510105;1392601701;cads;I was wondering about Bugpowder's earlier statement. Is this writer an idiot or a smooth PR savage? 510106;1392601714;mircea_popescu;useful idiot 510107;1392601717;mircea_popescu;covers everything. 510108;1392601756;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.07182995 = 3.5915 BTC [+] {5} 510109;1392601778;mircea_popescu;i'm kind-of surprised there isn't a localbitcoins but for activists. 510110;1392601789;mircea_popescu;a central exchange where people can trade their deeds. 510111;1392601814;mircea_popescu;decentralised, of course. 510112;1392601823;benkay;people who can build web applications while derpy as fuck are significantly less derpy than people who burn their hours trying to fix the world. 510113;1392601831;benkay;in that the former chase profit and the later abhor it. 510114;1392601852;mircea_popescu;well seems like a bug more than a feature, this. 510115;1392601873;cads;mircea_popescu: did you ever hear of the 'Freicoin' demurage currency formulated by some of the occupy wallstreet people? 510116;1392601879;benkay;except that fixing the world is impossible except randomly from time to time as in the satoshi case. 510117;1392601884;mircea_popescu;cads yes, at the time. 510118;1392601898;mircea_popescu;and yes, i thought it's a good match, it's about as misguided as the people that came up with it. 510119;1392601913;asciilifeform;freicon! arbeit macht frei. 510120;1392601935;asciilifeform;i still don't get how that was supposed to work. 'eat shit! it tastes just as good as food! trust us' 510121;1392601940;BingoBoingo;freicoin removes Bitcoin's biggest market driver - "store of value" 510122;1392601946;mircea_popescu;benkay "being rich" is also impossible, how about that. 510123;1392601954;cads;The Freicoin website says, "Freicoin's parameters are carefully chosen to eliminate the basic interest component of investments, called the liquidity premium by economists. Usurious non-zero basic interest distorts the free market, incentivises poisonous greed, excess, and short-term thinking, and perpetuates a vicious cycle of boom/bust recessions." 510124;1392601968;BitcoinPropagand;Whos ur target, what's ur budget? 510125;1392601975;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because if you really really will something, that'll matter. in that your imagination has some bearing on reality. 510126;1392601978;benkay;you and i are both using "impossible" in the sense of "impossible for you or most other people" 510127;1392601982;benkay;mircea_popescu ^^ 510128;1392602000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1390 @ 0.00087169 = 1.2116 BTC [-] 510129;1392602002;mircea_popescu;benkay no, it's just self-defeating. the previous fixage becomes the baseline for the new brokedness 510130;1392602010;mircea_popescu;the richness of yesterday is merely poverty now. 510131;1392602020;benkay;except in bitcoin, mircea_popescu 510132;1392602027;cads;mircea_popescu: the market cap of freicoin is an initial jump followed by an absolutely perfect exponential decay: http://coinmarketcap.com/frc_90.html 510133;1392602031;benkay;the richness of today is the more richness of tomorrow 510134;1392602049;mircea_popescu;maybe. 510135;1392602054;cads;mircea_popescu: freicoin ain't going to inspire no greed, no sir! 510136;1392602068;mircea_popescu;cads you grossly misrepresent "greed". 510137;1392602077;cads;arguably their mission is complete :) 510138;1392602084;cads;mircea_popescu: I'm mostly laughing at freicoin. 510139;1392602117;mircea_popescu;BitcoinPropagand my budget is for the purpose of this discussion unlimited, but it is also unfortunately useless. 510140;1392602131;mircea_popescu;i could have just bought out the damned billboards if that was the angle i wanted. 510141;1392602141;asciilifeform;http://furtherglory.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/arbeit_macht_frei.jpg 510142;1392602143;mircea_popescu;cads o i missed a sarcasm there. 510143;1392602168;cads;I heard about it from, get this, a grungy muddy finance grad student living with two other grungy dudes in a 300 tent colony that had sprung up in one of the main parks in the center of atlanta 510144;1392602183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6338 @ 0.00087376 = 5.5379 BTC [+] {2} 510145;1392602184;cads;living cramped in a tent* 510146;1392602186;mircea_popescu;were they confused as to the whereabouts of wall street ? 510147;1392602187;asciilifeform;i still don't grok this. did anyone actually wish to use freicoin? or merely for others to use it. 510148;1392602205;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that question cuts to the heart of the matter. 510149;1392602220;cads;mircea_popescu: no no, to the left and the right and the north and the south towered the enormous buildings of the billionaires 510150;1392602226;mircea_popescu;does the "feminist" not wish to wear slutty clothes herself, 510151;1392602227;cads;laughing at them 510152;1392602231;mircea_popescu;or for other girls stop doing it ? 510153;1392602234;cads;boxing them in :D 510154;1392602240;mircea_popescu;lol 510155;1392602258;cads;it was funny because there were business men filing nervously past the tents every day 510156;1392602285;mircea_popescu;you know, i'd have gone to work early and hung out with the bums half an hour. 510157;1392602287;cads;on the camp ground there was hustle and bustle and optimism and the undeniably knowledge that they were DOING SOMETHING. 510158;1392602291;mircea_popescu;why pay for entertainment. 510159;1392602299;asciilifeform;'less world, more bank!' 510160;1392602307;cads;they had, get thiss 510161;1392602309;cads;runners 510162;1392602315;cads;runners that would run between camps in the city 510163;1392602325;cads;and spread news :D 510164;1392602328;mircea_popescu;i'd have been all like "but yo, if there's no more banks, were'd you check your privilege ?" 510165;1392602343;mircea_popescu;so good for them. running is quite healthy for young men. 510166;1392602344;benkay;you keep it in your encrypted privelege wallet 510167;1392602348;cads;the dialog of privilege had not been opened in the public yet 510168;1392602363;cads;the key meme was the rhetoric of the "one percent" 510169;1392602369;mircea_popescu;i'd have had my printer print special PRIVILEGE CHECKs 510170;1392602373;mircea_popescu;and distributed them. 510171;1392602381;cads;haha 510172;1392602385;cads;maybe that's all white people have to do 510173;1392602387;benkay;privileged to rape one feminist? 510174;1392602392;mircea_popescu;and the kids' be all "but we don't have an account" 510175;1392602404;cads;well come on to the MP bank! 510176;1392602407;cads;and sign up! 510177;1392602407;mircea_popescu;and i'd have been all like a well. 510178;1392602410;mircea_popescu;nah. 510179;1392602411;benkay;"it's just a fantasy, office! this is totally consensual!" 510180;1392602416;cads;"free checking and savings for students" 510181;1392602424;mircea_popescu;mp bank prolly charges 100k to open an acct anyway. 510182;1392602434;KRS-One;heh 510183;1392602446;benkay;it's really a membership fee to the cigar and wine vaults 510184;1392602450;BingoBoingo;The original 1%'ers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaw_motorcycle_club#One_percenter 510185;1392602459;benkay;banking's just a side-bennie 510186;1392602467;mircea_popescu;i wonder what'll happen once teh bitcoin forum crowd finds out there actually are plenty of irl banks that work exactly this way. 510187;1392602486;asciilifeform;i actually entertained myself at the wash. d.c. 'occupy' regularly, until it finally croaked. got GBs of video of these folks clowning around in a thousand riotously inane ways. 510188;1392602500;nubbins`;mircea_popescu:because i'd be interested in supporting a program of propaganda against us banking interests signed MPEx/BTC 510189;1392602502;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did you pick up ? 510190;1392602513;nubbins`;^ you know, that's not an entirely difficult task to pull off. 510191;1392602529;mircea_popescu;nubbins` provided enough people think with their heads, yes. 510192;1392602554;asciilifeform;it wasn't like they quizzed you for redditard orthodoxy at the door (what door) 510193;1392602573;asciilifeform;lots of idlers, in nice suits or otherwise, came to gawk. 510194;1392602580;mircea_popescu;ha! 510195;1392602587;mircea_popescu;so i wouldn't have been the only one huh, 510196;1392602610;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.116 = 1.044 BTC [-] {5} 510197;1392602614;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: any decent-sized city likely has a number of print shops that would happily churn out and slap up posters 510198;1392602641;mircea_popescu;srsly, if the ny mayor had any sense he'd have passed an ordinance saying that kids are allowed to camp indefinitely oly for as long as they're naked, also get three meals a day courtesy of the city. 510199;1392602655;nubbins`;you could even get some of the big names to do some designs, get a bit of momentum behind it 510200;1392602666;mircea_popescu;then pass clothes dump trucks to collect the textile contraband, and beat the shit out of any dressed kids left. 510201;1392602679;asciilifeform;here, eventually the city confiscated their latrines. 510202;1392602686;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: You don't want to hit the big cities. Go for the select suburbs and exurbs where they actually live. 510203;1392602700;asciilifeform;some found their way into restaurant shitters, others did what they will where they stood 510204;1392602707;asciilifeform;eventually health inspectors condemned the tents. 510205;1392602732;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.19376446 = 1.3564 BTC [+] 510206;1392602735;BitcoinPropagand;I need to know more about that program of propaganda 510207;1392602753;mircea_popescu;http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/asia-pacific/198506-report-spies-watched-us-lawyers-in-trade-deal 510208;1392602769;nubbins`;BitcoinPropagand: what's to know? make posters and hire kids to put 'em up. this is how shows are advertised all across north america 510209;1392602775;benkay;mircea_popescu: that's what made me think about cold-calling DC intl law firms. 510210;1392602825;ThickAsThieves;dammit i'm missing good conversations 510211;1392602835;ozbot;US law firm ensnared in spying by NSA ally | TheHill 510212;1392602837;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform new york missed a huge opportunity to start the largest fuckfest/rave in the history of the us. 510213;1392602849;mircea_popescu;could have eaten rio's festival tourist trade right off. 510214;1392602852;benkay;what do you call 8 bankers jumping out of a plane? 510215;1392602857;asciilifeform;they sorta did 510216;1392602866;benkay;scuse me 8 programmers 510217;1392602880;asciilifeform;but with genuine bums in the mix, it was 'acquired taste' rather than 'general interest' kind of affair. 510218;1392602881;ThickAsThieves; Do you have charts? I need charts to do TA. /// http://atc.blockr.io 510219;1392602883;benkay;NO WAIT FORUMFOLK 510220;1392602887;benkay;"air pollution" 510221;1392602901;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you mean all the waspish wallflowers weren't about to take smelly bum cock ? 510222;1392602909;asciilifeform;sumthinglikethat 510223;1392602911;mircea_popescu;bs. 510224;1392602915;mircea_popescu;they'd have been all over that. 510225;1392602942;ThickAsThieves; Though doing cpu mining with altcoins and then buying BTC seems more profitable /// yeah but nubbins might call you a scammer 510226;1392602949;asciilifeform;evidently not enough. 510227;1392602969;mircea_popescu;only because of the ny mayor missing some very reasonable measures. 510228;1392602970;ThickAsThieves; ATC needs a killer app though. Has anyone talked to dooglus about ATCdice /// has he made alt versions before? 510229;1392602980;mircea_popescu;if they did what i propose you'd have a baby boom on your hands atm 510230;1392602981;asciilifeform;at any rate, the politically-aspirational academtards who were the 'krysha' of occupy eventually pulled the plug 510231;1392602990;asciilifeform;after der fuhrer's re-election was clinched 510232;1392602994;benkay;last thing we need is more 99%ers 510233;1392602994;mircea_popescu;myeah. 510234;1392603010;ThickAsThieves; I mean, I haven't even figured out my intense social problems, nor stopped procrastinating // dont confuse procrastinating with not wanting to do stupid shit 510235;1392603013;mircea_popescu;benkay more children is a time-tested solution to any social problem. 510236;1392603018;Bugpowder;ThickAsThieves: doge-dice has huge volume 510237;1392603027;Bugpowder;I had to add it to my hosts file 510238;1392603031;Bugpowder;along with just-dice 510239;1392603033;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://eurasian-law-breaking-news.blogspot.ro/2011/11/abramovich-explains-krysha-concept-to.html for lelz. 510240;1392603048;KRS-One;i took just-dice money and they arent getting it back 510241;1392603065;asciilifeform;as if it needs much of an explanation beyond simple translation in the anglo world. 510242;1392603066;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: Move it into BitBet 510243;1392603071;asciilifeform;(or elsewhere for that matter) 510244;1392603073;KRS-One;i will 510245;1392603084;ThickAsThieves; lots of idiot tribes. // you owe Seth Godin royalties now 510246;1392603096;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: What bets are you looking at atm? 510247;1392603108;Bugpowder;benkay: If you want, my good friend is a DC associate at said international law firm. 510248;1392603110;KRS-One;havent looked for the last week or two 510249;1392603140;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves right, the dood contributed. 510250;1392603146;Bugpowder;don't exactly understand why you want to contact them 510251;1392603154;cazalla;check your bitcoin privilege 510252;1392603155;benkay;sell 'em cardanos, Bugpowder 510253;1392603168;benkay;plus "how to keep comms secure" lessons 510254;1392603169;Bugpowder;I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS 510255;1392603177;kakobrekla;O_o 510256;1392603178;benkay;oh you no cardano? 510257;1392603182;benkay;homie you behind the times like whoa 510258;1392603186;benkay;;;google cardano 510259;1392603186;gribble;Gerolamo Cardano - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Cardano: ; Cardan biography: 510260;1392603191;benkay;;;google trilema cardano 510261;1392603192;gribble;S.NSA - Cardano pricing, other statements pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: ; Unsorted collection of various Cardano related updates + ... - Trilema: ; S.NSA, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: (1 more message) 510262;1392603203;benkay;(first (second %)) 510263;1392603223;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: Take 'NO' on this one http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/ 510264;1392603253;mircea_popescu;from the random herp with mental issues and lulzy url department : http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/10482 510265;1392603254;KRS-One;hmm 510266;1392603274;KRS-One;why is everyone yes? 510267;1392603277;KRS-One;mostly ys 510268;1392603282;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: You know it will be an interesting sweat. 510269;1392603295;kakobrekla; i mean this channel was fundamentally born out of some clueless noobs' inability to grok that intelligent discussion is more important than avoiding displays of cunt. < not really, was just to impress girls. 510270;1392603302;mircea_popescu;that too 510271;1392603361;Bugpowder;sounds good 510272;1392603393;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sikjs9Jl_tg 510273;1392603395;Bugpowder;BingoBoingo: weighting sux 510274;1392603402;mircea_popescu;look at that, benkay may have actually got himself rich. 510275;1392603407;ozbot;Sam Simmons Problems 'Daddy wants a biscuit' - YouTube 510276;1392603416;Bugpowder;cardano... looks legit! 510277;1392603418;BingoBoingo;Bugpowder: Not really given where Gox is going. 510278;1392603450;Bugpowder;BingoBoingo: I think there is an 80% chance that resolves as yes. 510279;1392603474;BingoBoingo;Oh, ye of excessive faith. 510280;1392603591;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: A decent second choice would be to start a BitBet. 510281;1392603609;BingoBoingo;South Syndney Rabbitohs to win the NRL regular season. 510282;1392603694;cazalla;up the tigers 510283;1392603708;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.115 = 0.345 BTC [-] 510284;1392603726;ThickAsThieves;i took no on that bet 510285;1392603735;Bugpowder;BingoBoingo: If you feel so strongly, why not buy the O.USD.P500T @ 1.500 BTC 510286;1392603763;ThickAsThieves;just in case 510287;1392603782;BingoBoingo;Bugpowder: I'm tied up in other things atm. 510288;1392603782;ThickAsThieves;well, for fun 510289;1392603792;KRS-One;That gox bet stinks, if they arent insolvent I'm sure they will be above $150 510290;1392603815;BingoBoingo;Well it depends on how long they can play pretend. 510291;1392603817;ThickAsThieves;well thats the bet at this point 510292;1392603849;KRS-One;They can get bought out too before anything drastic happens, I'm sure. 510293;1392603860;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: How much BTC are you looking to Bitbet, enough to play both sides? 510294;1392603873;KRS-One;There is a bit of goodwill with the mtgox brand..its been around a while. 510295;1392603893;KRS-One;Heh interesting 510296;1392603903;KRS-One;u can play both huh 510297;1392603905;Duffer1;brand presence sure but i wouldn't really call it goodwill :P 510298;1392603917;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: Playing both sides is often the best way to BitBet 510299;1392603919;KRS-One;goodwill is also negative 510300;1392603936;KRS-One;just the fact the brand is well known is what counts and even adds to balance sheets 510301;1392603944;Duffer1;ya 510302;1392603958;mircea_popescu;KRS-One you're wrong on that score. 510303;1392603963;mircea_popescu;mtgox is widely known for being shit. 510304;1392603968;mircea_popescu;this makes it a net negative, like bfl. 510305;1392603979;mircea_popescu;anyone seriously thinking of running their business would immediately rebrand. 510306;1392603988;mircea_popescu;not that anyone seriously is thinking of running their business. 510307;1392604067;ThickAsThieves;rebrand by pissing on it 510308;1392604072;KRS-One;goodwill whether negative or positive is accounted for on balance sheets 510309;1392604118;Duffer1;ohh i see like trilema asset reports 510310;1392604130;nubbins`;at this point trading magic cards would add legitimacy to their operation 510311;1392604137;Vexual;^^ 510312;1392604159;Duffer1;i took that to mean something else... 510313;1392604174;BingoBoingo;I still have no answer to my wondering if maybe Mark Gox has a touch of Downs. 510314;1392604189;KRS-One;so even though mtgox has a negative reputation, most publications reference them..is that a bad thing to a new company trying to acquire the brand? 510315;1392604205;KRS-One;publications are always quoting prices from mtgox 510316;1392604212;KRS-One;and they've had a bad rep for years 510317;1392604218;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: Unless you are fiat capitalized out of the wazoo. 510318;1392604235;mircea_popescu;KRS-One it is, yes. 510319;1392604256;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is not a mass venture. this isn;'t trying to bring about the next britney spears. 510320;1392604291;KRS-One;Im not making an argument for that really but i dig. 510321;1392604293;mircea_popescu;that aside "publications" are about as relevant as mice. 510322;1392604306;mircea_popescu;mice have been trying to eat cheese for millenia. does this mean cheese is a bank ? 510323;1392604313;KRS-One;Started out as bitbet wheher gox will go out of business. 510324;1392604315;mircea_popescu;should i plug my keyboard into a large block of cheese ? 510325;1392604424;KRS-One;Happy Birthday dude..not sure what the whole thing is on birthdays anyway..I passed the last 3 without any fanfare. 510326;1392604424;kakobrekla;happy bingo birthday 510327;1392604513;BingoBoingo;Thank you. I already had the delicous birthday dinner. Roast beef tongue. 510328;1392604527;ThickAsThieves;kinky 510329;1392605236;mike_c;gratz bingo. make a bet today. b-day bets are always lucky. 510330;1392605286;BingoBoingo;mike_c: I made the unluckiest bet of all. I bought a lottery ticker with my vodka from the Arab store. 510331;1392605298;mike_c;hah. might as well swing big 510332;1392605410;BingoBoingo;Well it was for the little lotto so I have a 1 in 500,000 chance of winning. 510333;1392605599;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17819 @ 0.00087615 = 15.6121 BTC [+] {2} 510334;1392605629;BingoBoingo;If I win though, I'll probably add 50 BTC to my holdings. 510335;1392605694;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if one must play lotto, why the fiat variety, and not xxx-dice? 510336;1392605753;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Lotto has a longer lead time until chance renders its verdict. I like to savor the tension. 510337;1392605843;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.115 = 1.38 BTC [-] 510338;1392605844;pankkake;yeah it feels weird for lotto chances of winning 510339;1392605864;BitcoinPropagand;nubbins` 1st you need to have the right message otherwise you will pass unnoticed 510340;1392605888;nubbins`;no need to tell me that! 510341;1392605900;BingoBoingo;pankkake: Well another upside to the lotto is most of my losing ticket I can know goes to miseducating the children. 510342;1392605905;BitcoinPropagand;what's the concept then? 510343;1392605914;nubbins`;no concept 510344;1392605919;pankkake;I've only bet 3×0.01BTC at 0.0099% chance 510345;1392605924;nubbins`;just talking hypotheticals 510346;1392605932;BitcoinPropagand;i see. 510347;1392605963;pankkake;BingoBoingo: your sentence does not compute 510348;1392605966;pankkake;at least in my head 510349;1392606009;nubbins`;another upside to X is that Y goes to Z 510350;1392606034;BingoBoingo;pankkake: Maybe you are Sparc, while I am still 68k 510351;1392606040;nubbins`;Y being bingo's wasted money 510352;1392606065;nubbins`;Z goes to reading wallabee entrails 510353;1392606074;nubbins`;wallaby 510354;1392606076;nubbins`;w/e 510355;1392606137;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: I'm not an Aussie. Wallabee would be too expensive to fly out just for that. 510356;1392606175;nubbins`;why do i think you are? 510357;1392606180;nubbins`;i think it's your nick 510358;1392606209;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07001 = 0.9801 BTC [-] {2} 510359;1392606212;Vexual;of the extra hydroxyls 510360;1392606285;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Prolly cause I'm awake when the Aussies are. 510361;1392606385;pankkake;this chan has weird sleep patterns 510362;1392606394;pankkake;I guess it's why I got sucked into it! 510363;1392606400;nubbins`;it's 11:36pm 510364;1392606408;pankkake;it's 4:06 am 510365;1392606478;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=470165.0 510366;1392606482;nubbins`;it's a new type of win 510367;1392606490;ozbot;[BOUNTY] Need a logo and slogan for new hybrid exchange 510368;1392606501;KRS-One;I still think even though there are companies with bad reputations that buying the brand is still worthwhile and even adds to the balance sheet. 510369;1392606503;BingoBoingo;It's 8 minutes after the hour 510370;1392606531;BingoBoingo;Sometime you suckers will abandon days and learn to embrace living by the hour 510371;1392606535;KRS-One;I'd have to disagree with mircea_popescu. I mean look at K-Mart it was bought by sears and nobody liked K-Mart. 510372;1392606539;nubbins`;heh. 510373;1392606543;KRS-One;A lot of money was involved with that. 510374;1392606568;KRS-One;I learned a little something in college. 510375;1392606577;KRS-One;between parties 510376;1392606583;KRS-One;and work and goofing off 510377;1392606621;kakobrekla;yes, time is arbitrary. i have been saying this for years now. 510378;1392606642;nubbins`;what are numbers, anyway? 510379;1392606679;BingoBoingo;Nobay likes sears either KRS-One 510380;1392606750;kakobrekla;and with that, im leaving cause its fukken late! 510381;1392606764;nubbins`;i'm leaving because i'm listless 510382;1392606872;KRS-One;yeah and they didnt change the kmart brand 510383;1392606893;KRS-One;point is, even though there are people who might not like the brand, its well known. 510384;1392606897;KRS-One;it can be improved 510385;1392606919;KRS-One;try starting up a compnay with some new name that you just pull out of your ass 510386;1392606925;BingoBoingo;No, K-mart has been doomed since Rosanne took its guns 510387;1392606951;KRS-One;even shitts companies make sales 510388;1392606956;KRS-One;*shitty 510389;1392606982;BitcoinPropagand;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102333.40 510390;1392606995;KRS-One;im not saying they are doing well just the fact that iwas a big aquisition and they didnt change the brand 510391;1392607001;BitcoinPropagand;is he/she always like this? 510392;1392607002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00087601 = 8.5849 BTC [-] 510393;1392607005;ozbot;Here's where I spew my accusations against MPOE. All are welcome. 510394;1392607118;BingoBoingo;BitcoinPropagand: That thread is an excellent exercise in separating soil from shit. 510395;1392607179;BitcoinPropagand;idk i'm just a tourist 510396;1392607196;BingoBoingo;BitcoinPropagand: No, that's my line. 510397;1392607221;the20year1;taking guns from retailers in teh US always has a negative effect on business. Men hate to shop, by selling guns they bring in men 510398;1392607225;Bugpowdurr;Goat needs to get his Lambo repo'ed and hauled off to jail. 510399;1392607230;BingoBoingo;BitcoinPropagand: Take some time and read. Everyone expects everyone else to try for six months on the reading anyways. 510400;1392607259;BitcoinPropagand;i just did it 510401;1392607273;BingoBoingo;The full six months? 510402;1392607284;BingoBoingo;How many BTC for your time machine? 510403;1392607303;BitcoinPropagand;read 510404;1392607327;KRS-One;ozbot just give my my bait 510405;1392607328;KRS-One;.bait 510406;1392607349;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8ga3op0ir1rs2jpso1_1280.jpg 510407;1392607366;ThickAsThieves;i thought that butt was gold for a second 510408;1392607400;pankkake;gold butts are only for bitcoin conferences 510409;1392607409;pankkake;when's the altcoin conference? 510410;1392607412;pankkake;and altcoin foundation 510411;1392607457;Vexual;know any cool catacomb clubs? 510412;1392607498;BingoBoingo;Vexual: Maybe if you offer evidence of not being a cop. 510413;1392607512;mircea_popescu;Bugpowdurr whats your story with goat ? 510414;1392607541;mircea_popescu;pankkake you should prolly be doing the altcoin conference. 510415;1392607585;pankkake;last time I presented something in public, no one understood what my project was 510416;1392607593;Vexual;perfect 510417;1392607608;nubbins`;that's because you're not supposed to take your cock out on the bus ;( 510418;1392607626;mircea_popescu;pankkake now you see my wisdom. 510419;1392607646;pankkake;not really 510420;1392607649;mircea_popescu;"He had a 4.0 GPA in English (and English fluency-required) classes throughout high school and college" < lol 510421;1392607657;mircea_popescu;pankkake nobody understands wtf atc is also. 510422;1392607923;benkay;goat on the forum today 510423;1392607928;benkay;re mpex 510424;1392607934;benkay;"sooner or later greater fools will run out of money" 510425;1392607940;benkay;s/money/btc 510426;1392607974;mircea_popescu;lol ok. 510427;1392607982;mircea_popescu;amusingly, he's been derping this since 2011 510428;1392607993;mircea_popescu;in the interval, he ran out of "investor's" money 3x 510429;1392608100;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.11403333 = 0.6842 BTC [-] {3} 510430;1392608102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12820 @ 0.0008765 = 11.2367 BTC [+] 510431;1392608115;mircea_popescu;here's something to consider : ancient china had FOUR beauties. that's it. four. 510432;1392608133;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the us has had four "major" singer-songwriter chicks this week 510433;1392608140;Mats_cd03;beauties? 510434;1392608147;mircea_popescu;and bitcoin has had at least fourty-four greatest businesses last half hour. 510435;1392608158;mircea_popescu;in any field oif "business" one might be interested. 510436;1392608165;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 ya. beauties. 510437;1392608209;pankkake;I'd think it's mostly because information flows faster. and there's almost unlimited bandwidth 510438;1392608218;pankkake;more crap now! 510439;1392608225;Mats_cd03;what do you mean beauties 510440;1392608230;the20year1;greatest businesses? 510441;1392608230;mircea_popescu;and because since they're all ugly and stupid, how are you to even distinguish. 510442;1392608269;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 the plural of the noun beauty. like a beauty, two beauties. 510443;1392608311;mircea_popescu;the20year yes. like these dorks https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=465334.msg5143475#msg5143475 510444;1392608335;asciilifeform;the four uglies. one entices rocks to float. one enwings bricks. one puts out the sun, who refuses to illuminate her face. one wilts flowers. 510445;1392608386;mircea_popescu;lol 510446;1392608392;mircea_popescu;"turns rocks to turds" 510447;1392608419;asciilifeform;amazing! rock converter. 510448;1392608419;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 510449;1392608445;Vexual;is she a volcano? 510450;1392608463;mircea_popescu;judging by the hydrogen sulfide... 510451;1392608474;asciilifeform;Vexual: nah, merely an anti-Midas. 510452;1392608482;Vexual;can't smell it, just lit my philospohy pipe 510453;1392608499;Bugpowdurr; in the interval, he ran out of "investor's" money 3x Nothing personal. Just one of the scammers that hasn't been shut down yet. 510454;1392608509;mircea_popescu;he has, tho. 510455;1392608522;mircea_popescu;it's just... he has not much better to do with his time anyway, so he keeps coming back. 510456;1392608536;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: So far the altcoin trading isn't going bad. 510457;1392608542;mircea_popescu;cool. 510458;1392608555;Bugpowdurr;I really do want some ATC. 510459;1392608570;BingoBoingo;Bugpowdurr: Buy at market on x-btc 510460;1392608571;Bugpowdurr;I think it could really appreciate in value and I could flip it for 10x 510461;1392608583;BingoBoingo;Sorry x-bt 510462;1392608584;Bugpowdurr;given the trajectory 510463;1392608594;mircea_popescu;what value ? and why would it appreciate in price anyway ? 510464;1392608598;Bugpowdurr;Can one deposit to ATC 510465;1392608602;mircea_popescu;sure. 510466;1392608621;BingoBoingo;Bugpowdurr: x-bt.com is the least scammy ATC exchange. 510467;1392608626;Bugpowdurr;Collective delusions cause price increases all the tim. 510468;1392608631;BingoBoingo;Bugpowdurr: Buy all of my asks 510469;1392608667;Bugpowdurr;What makes ATC any different from 10s of 'mining stocks' or other alt coins? Nothing essential 510470;1392608684;Vexual;its the only altcoin and it has a philosophy club 510471;1392608690;BingoBoingo;Bugpowdurr: Because defining is has continued longer than any meme has in history. 510472;1392608693;Bugpowdurr;It has at its core, the same driver of price as any other one of these. 510473;1392608709;Bugpowdurr;doge is the biggest winner in that fiedl 510474;1392608737;mircea_popescu;doge is in a mudslide all of its own. 510475;1392608740;mircea_popescu;no fields. 510476;1392608754;nubbins`;ooh, 'fi' looks gross in this font 510477;1392608757;Bugpowdurr;The enthusiasm level on the street is palpable. 510478;1392608777;KRS-One;Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCCkDQ6gbg4 510479;1392608794;Bugpowdurr;You might not see it over in RO, but in Santa Monica meet up, people were pumped about doge. 510480;1392608801;Bugpowdurr;PRE price runup 510481;1392608829;mircea_popescu;lmao. 510482;1392608856;mircea_popescu;what runup, afair it was going down 510483;1392608906;mircea_popescu;anyway, the reason i put zero stock in whatever the us folk get "pumped up" about is because that's what they do for the sake of doing it. they have nothing to talk about so they tell each other how excited they are about random, unremarkable stuff. 510484;1392608912;BingoBoingo;Doge just had a halving didn't it and it still trades below ATC? 510485;1392608941;ThickAsThieves;Doge is basically the social media of altcoins 510486;1392608951;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo doge basically runs a dump and dillute, to extract five bux a head from the starbucks crowd in santa monica 510487;1392608952;ThickAsThieves;a fukn scourge 510488;1392608963;mircea_popescu;in this sense it makes zero difference to count "halvings" and whatnot 510489;1392608972;mircea_popescu;they just change the pow whenever to inflate it all away. 510490;1392608974;BitcoinPropagand;my favourite altcoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=458860.0 510491;1392609032;mircea_popescu;and honestly, if i wanted fiddy grand out of a bunch of cali retards a) i wouldn't spend 80 grand to get it and b) i wouldn't bother this many people with the nonsense. 510492;1392609036;mircea_popescu;but then again that's me. 510493;1392609045;ThickAsThieves;Altcoin is worth more than AKC 510494;1392609055;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: And thousands of penny stocks have done that before. It is why wops that don't read are doomed to repeat history, because Ponzi was a fucking Guinea. 510495;1392609059;Bugpowdurr;It went from 25 to 290 satoshi... I had 20M I bought low and sold at 50 to rebuy on a dip. Felt like I had been unfaithful and was punished. 510496;1392609073;ThickAsThieves;BitcoinPropagand -> www.therealaltcoin.org 510497;1392609087;Bugpowdurr;Case in point - Tweeter 510498;1392609107;Bugpowdurr;TWTRQ 510499;1392609149;mircea_popescu;yes dood, and some twerps made a "brand" out of some youtube video. 510500;1392609153;mircea_popescu;the word is epiphenomena. 510501;1392609277;Bugpowdurr;I respect the position of not wanting to participate in epiphenomena, but this attitude is exactly the same as what Joe Phil Morgan types use to talk themselves out of making bitcoin investments. Or Tren Griffin into thinking that alt-coins are where its really at. 510502;1392609308;mircea_popescu;no argument. 510503;1392609315;BitcoinPropagand;ThickAsThieves there's a exchange for that? 510504;1392609325;mircea_popescu;i was entirely at risk of missing bitcoin entirely, if it weren't for all teh people screaming at me, 510505;1392609329;BingoBoingo;BitcoinPropagand: x-bt.com 510506;1392609382;mircea_popescu;so it's a street not a fence. 510507;1392609554;ThickAsThieves;^ 510508;1392609745;Vexual;BingoBoingo, did you buy some half decent vodka for your birthday? 510509;1392609786;BitcoinPropagand;looks interesting this is yours? 510510;1392609787;BingoBoingo;Vexual: No. I made a point to get the cheapest. 510511;1392609840;mircea_popescu;and with that i bid you all a very good time and you can call me asleep. 510512;1392609918;BingoBoingo;BitcoinPropagand: It is Apocalyptic's exchange 510513;1392610235;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 320 @ 0.00297498 = 0.952 BTC [+] 510514;1392610314;BingoBoingo;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/police-arrest-a-woman-for-failing-to-return-9-year-overdue-j-lo-vhs/ 510515;1392610315;ozbot;Police arrest a woman for failing to return 9-year-overdue J-Lo VHS | Ars Technica 510516;1392610361;Vexual;shes luck it wasn't my j-lo tape 510517;1392610383;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dly6p4Fu5TE&feature=kp 510518;1392610408;ozbot;Jennifer Lopez - Jenny from the Block - YouTube 510519;1392610457;BingoBoingo;Vexual: You know what would be nice? 510520;1392610471;Vexual;whats that friend? 510521;1392610483;BitcoinPropagand;a billion dollars 510522;1392610486;BitcoinPropagand;gtg too 510523;1392610537;BitcoinPropagand;my twitter: btcpropaganda 510524;1392610542;BitcoinPropagand;nice to meet u guys 510525;1392610558;Vexual;link tat propa 510526;1392610580;BitcoinPropagand;lol https://twitter.com/btcpropaganda 510527;1392610582;BitcoinPropagand;bye 510528;1392610587;BingoBoingo;Vexual: Imagine Niki Minaj's ass adapted to J-Lo's frame 510529;1392610664;Duffer1;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_66jPJVS4JE 510530;1392610688;ozbot;Jennifer Lopez - Waiting For Tonight - YouTube 510531;1392610848;KRS-One;j-lo boooooty 510532;1392610849;KRS-One;.bait 510533;1392610850;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8ga3op0ir1rs2jpso1_1280.jpg 510534;1392610858;KRS-One;.bait 510535;1392610877;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbza4usTFL1ra0n5co1_500.jpg 510536;1392610885;KRS-One;Mmmm nicew 510537;1392610887;Vexual;how u do that? 510538;1392610967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9699 @ 0.00087647 = 8.5009 BTC [-] 510539;1392610975;KRS-One;eh 510540;1392610995;MisterE;morning guys 510541;1392610997;Vexual;-booty 510542;1392611003;MisterE;I'm starting to think this Manu Sporny fellow is quite the tool 510543;1392611005;KRS-One;type: .bait 510544;1392611013;MisterE;from his twittwe 510545;1392611019;MisterE;and turn on inline images 510546;1392611025;MisterE;Twitter* 510547;1392611041;MisterE;.bait 510548;1392611061;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_madfh1X9GG1qap4tbo1_1280.jpg 510549;1392611076;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kGvlESGvbs 510550;1392611091;ozbot;Jennifer Lopez - Love Don't Cost a Thing - YouTube 510551;1392611114;Duffer1;oh nice i totally forgot about that one 510552;1392611216;Jere_Jones;In a currency pair, one of them is called the "Base Currency". WTF is the other side of the currency pair called? Does it even *have* a name? 510553;1392611239;Vexual;other 510554;1392611316;Jere_Jones;Seriously? 510555;1392611323;Vexual;u new? 510556;1392611365;Jere_Jones;I have not the knowledge of someone experienced and often ask stupid questions. 510557;1392611376;Jere_Jones;I have been encouraged to do so. :) 510558;1392611406;BingoBoingo;Discuss https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/435267161267773440 510559;1392611455;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 105 @ 0.00290432 = 0.305 BTC [-] {2} 510560;1392611563;Vexual;Jere_Jones, have some cake and finish your blog later 510561;1392611603;BingoBoingo;Jere_Jones: Ask your question better. 510562;1392611614;Jere_Jones;I don't blog 510563;1392611631;Vexual;context? 510564;1392611638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.0008765 = 2.498 BTC [+] 510565;1392611669;Jere_Jones;"There are two hard problems in computer science". The second problem. 510566;1392611706;Jere_Jones;BingoBoingo Vexual's answer was surprising but it was a good enough answer for my purposes. 510567;1392611726;Vexual;i just repeated what you said 510568;1392611729;BingoBoingo;Jere_Jones: Maybe blogging is your answer 510569;1392611732;cads;what the fuck 510570;1392611738;cads;martingales are really simple 510571;1392611787;BingoBoingo;cads: martingales suck. 510572;1392611809;cads;they seem surreal 510573;1392611811;BingoBoingo;What works better than martingale is full orderbook comination with a wide bid-ask spread 510574;1392611821;pankkake;lol 510575;1392611846;BingoBoingo;Or betting on sporting events with certain outcomes against brain damaged handicappers.\ 510576;1392611863;BingoBoingo;Right now Olympic hockey is quite the honeyhole 510577;1392611890;cads;I'm not sure how martingales relate to trading strategies yet, I'm talking about martingale measures in the mathematical probability 510578;1392611903;cads;I'm trying to build up to stochastic integrals 510579;1392611923;BingoBoingo;cads: The problem is the problem you identified is too broken to solve. 510580;1392611993;BingoBoingo;Stochiastic shit works in chemistry when mistakes == death from poison gas. 510581;1392612017;BingoBoingo;In BTC/(rando alternative) idiots happen though. 510582;1392612041;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE3_6CUMpYY 510583;1392612058;ozbot;D'Angelo - Untitled [How Does It Feel] - YouTube 510584;1392612068;BingoBoingo;If you want to plate the hood and trunklid of your car in rhodium sulfate idiots generally won't interfere. 510585;1392612104;BingoBoingo;If however you try to make some sort of market trade... Idiots emerge to gum the gears of efficiency 510586;1392612327;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y4K0J3fPmw 510587;1392612361;ozbot;Cody ChesnuTT - Look Good In Leather - YouTube 510588;1392612366;BingoBoingo;Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs-jpA97Wyw 510589;1392612623;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rDWEMZG0lE 510590;1392612691;ozbot;The Roots _The Seed HD+lyrics. - YouTube 510591;1392612693;Jere_Jones;AHA! "Quote Currency" 510592;1392612695;KRS-One;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O20Sljxmy9M 510593;1392612695;ozbot;Quincy Jones - The Streetbeater aka Sanford & Son Theme - YouTube 510594;1392612784;cads;BingoBoingo: idiot percolation theory :) 510595;1392612792;cads;like holes in a semiconductor 510596;1392612803;BingoBoingo;cads: Not quite percolation 510597;1392612811;cads;regulation of idiot flows with subtle currents 510598;1392612815;cads;:D 510599;1392612842;cads;BingoBoingo: indeed, a lot less predictable 510600;1392612991;Mats_cd03;dongs basically 510601;1392613059;Vexual;fuck thats funky 510602;1392613184;BingoBoingo;12 minutes left in my birthday. WHo wants to level up some cunts 1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4 510603;1392613215;Vexual;you conna spend it on dimitri? 510604;1392613231;BingoBoingo;Proceeds go to the keep me out of jail for this disorderly conduct charge fund. 510605;1392613243;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl83mI69nX4 510606;1392613289;ozbot;Lupe Fiasco - Kick Push (Video) (Album Version) - YouTube 510607;1392613396;Vexual;do your month 510608;1392613764;BingoBoingo;They see me rollin' They hat'in but they don't cat me ridin BTC. 510609;1392613796;BingoBoingo;Every month they delay. My defense gets funded, and the prosecution gets sequestered. 510610;1392613823;BingoBoingo;But shit is the way BTC works. 510611;1392613863;BingoBoingo;St Clair County had its chance to catch me with my pants down like a fairy, but nao... 510612;1392613874;BingoBoingo;Imma bigger than them. 510613;1392613930;KRS-One;You have a right to a speedy trial. 510614;1392613956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3548 @ 0.00087669 = 3.1105 BTC [+] {2} 510615;1392613962;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: Maybe I want a slow sensual trial, because BTC puts me at an advantage? 510616;1392613981;BingoBoingo;At the start of the ordeal I had a lawyer. 510617;1392613994;KRS-One;"I know my rights! I'm entitled to a phone call and a strip search!" 510618;1392614008;KRS-One;I dig, then stroke the courts. 510619;1392614011;BingoBoingo;Nao I have a lawyer acting as a paralegal and two appelate court barred lawyers as a safety net. 510620;1392614065;BingoBoingo;If this shit doesn't get dismissed my warchest is aimed at defending my position that disorderly conduct is a moral fucking imperative. 510621;1392614178;KRS-One;ya thats some shit 510622;1392614198;BingoBoingo;Advice neither good nor attrocious http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/how-to-run-your-own-e-mail-server-with-your-own-domain-part-1/ 510623;1392614436;BingoBoingo;moiety: Trade some ATC, because birthday. 510624;1392614442;moiety;happy monday 510625;1392614450;moiety;it's your birthday today? 510626;1392614480;moiety;:D happy birthday *hugs* as in sunday or monday 510627;1392614488;BingoBoingo;moiety: For another 4o minutes 510628;1392614500;moiety;kk, have you had a good birthday? 510629;1392614501;BingoBoingo;Actually 5 hours and 40 minutes 510630;1392614512;moiety;yay heaps of time 510631;1392614520;BingoBoingo;moiety: A great one. I had delicious beef tongue for dinner. 510632;1392614535;moiety;oh my mum really likes that 510633;1392614554;BingoBoingo;Honestly when roasted it is the best tasting part. 510634;1392614567;BingoBoingo;Much flavor 510635;1392614575;moiety;bit creepy when you find it in the fridge aged 7 or w/e 510636;1392614588;Bugpowder;@pmarca is going off on bitcoin right now. 510637;1392614598;BingoBoingo;moiety: Maybe? 510638;1392614610;BingoBoingo;Maybe the parents in that scenario were bad. 510639;1392614635;moiety;lol no just me being easily creeped i reckon 510640;1392614646;moiety;anyways, did you family today 510641;1392614701;BingoBoingo;Yeah. 510642;1392614722;BingoBoingo;Saw the brother and his heifer's awesome dog. 510643;1392614824;BingoBoingo;Dog ate so many carrots. 510644;1392614849;moiety;and his heifer lol 510645;1392614856;moiety;mum's dog liked tomatoes 510646;1392614877;BingoBoingo;Brother's wife is kinda thick with it. 510647;1392614893;moiety;fuck you ars, they just run artcile today http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/how-to-run-your-own-e-mail-server-with-your-own-domain-part-1/ 510648;1392614902;moiety;too late! 510649;1392614904;BingoBoingo;Before the wedding I offered counsel against that, but. 510650;1392614917;BingoBoingo;moiety: What's the probem? 510651;1392614922;moiety;if your brother is happy, that's the main thing 510652;1392614955;moiety;my pi is now a server for my email and a page! :D *beams* 510653;1392614977;BingoBoingo;How did you fit that all in your pie? 510654;1392614983;moiety;with help 510655;1392615016;moiety;http://ely.ag/ look! 510656;1392615053;BingoBoingo;moiety: Is this a sign you are abandoning node.js based trash? 510657;1392615067;moiety;no this is my page 510658;1392615071;moiety;like just me 510659;1392615086;moiety;BUT look how cool my email is gayle@ely.ag 510660;1392615096;moiety;fucking so pleased there are no words 510661;1392615119;pankkake;:) 510662;1392615165;moiety;i think i will use moderncuriosity for my business plan 510663;1392615170;moiety;hi pankkake :D 510664;1392615350;Jere_Jones;http://www.secureworks.com/assets/pdf-store/white-papers/wp-enterprise-best-practices-for-cryptocurrency-adoption.pdf 510665;1392615351;BingoBoingo;moiety: What is your newest plan? 510666;1392615356;moiety;its meant to have a picture of rome come up too but that wont work 510667;1392615366;moiety;BingoBoingo: i'm honing the stamping plan 510668;1392615392;moiety;i was thinking, even with 100 orders in one day, still doable, they don't take long to complete each item 510669;1392615393;BingoBoingo;Jere_Jones: The dell logo makes me want to not read. Give me a reason to continue. 510670;1392615398;pankkake;moiety: replace "scr" by "src" in the img tag ;) 510671;1392615419;moiety;how do you know that pankkake 510672;1392615422;BingoBoingo;O, replace scrote with source. 510673;1392615429;Jere_Jones;There's nothing of surprise in there except under the "Best Practices For Exchanges" section. 510674;1392615431;pankkake;because view source 510675;1392615436;moiety;oh! 510676;1392615513;BingoBoingo;Jere_Jones: Read, article is only 3 years behind. 510677;1392615526;moiety;omg omg omg ok go again! 510678;1392615570;moiety;editing via ssh too you know :D 510679;1392615570;BingoBoingo;moiety: Too much vatican, not anough Rome 510680;1392615572;Jere_Jones;BIP70 is only 6 months old. 510681;1392615588;BingoBoingo;BIP 70 is also mistake 510682;1392615600;moiety;BingoBoingo: first one was better.. will swap to that one 510683;1392615616;Jere_Jones;Can you elaborate? 510684;1392615682;BingoBoingo;Jere_Jones: I will give you time to read and correct yourself. I'm kinda drunk. 510685;1392615785;moiety;so am i! lol ok my pic works now 510686;1392615788;moiety;favoured pic* 510687;1392615835;BingoBoingo;Better 510688;1392616195;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xRXiwqHLUY 510689;1392616209;ozbot;Fuck U Betta (Live) - Neon Hitch - YouTube 510690;1392616270;moiety;even added my key :D 510691;1392616300;BingoBoingo;She can fuck you good, but I can fuck you betta. 510692;1392616348;BingoBoingo;moiety: Add a blog to it. 510693;1392616459;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj7jSnOxOck 510694;1392616461;ozbot;Gym Class Heroes feat. Neon Hitch - Ass Back Home (Live on Today 02-03-2012) [HD 1080p] - YouTube 510695;1392616487;Jere_Jones;Attempt #1 and correcting myself: BIP70 is evil because it, without encryption, would be vulnerable to MITM attacks. BIP70 specifies usage of a central authority for verification of the public keys encrypting/signing the request. That puts control/power in the exact hands that Bitcoin, as a philosophy, is trying to remove it from. A payment request protected by a WoT key would be less 510696;1392616487;Jere_Jones;objectionable. 510697;1392616517;moiety;i haven't heard these folk BingoBoingo 510698;1392616529;BingoBoingo;Jere_Jones: ALmost there. 510699;1392616534;moiety;and i don't think a blog would work with me. i'm the only one interestedin what i have to say lolol 510700;1392616542;BingoBoingo;moiety: The redhead is a scott 510701;1392616562;BingoBoingo;moiety: No one seriously blogs for other people other than incidentally 510702;1392616564;moiety;she looks it in the face 510703;1392616587;BingoBoingo;A blog is simply the part of the notebook you feel is safe in public 510704;1392616658;pankkake;I like to read my won blog 510705;1392616690;pankkake;own*. and I never had more than 20 readers at a time. and yet, I wouldn't regret it at all 510706;1392616698;pankkake;I mean regular readers 510707;1392616719;pankkake;even met some, so. 510708;1392616750;BingoBoingo;I've had 35K readers in one day... 510709;1392616768;moiety;was that the slashdot day 510710;1392616776;pankkake;not regular readers 510711;1392616776;BingoBoingo;Yeah 510712;1392616802;BingoBoingo;Neglecting the blog for a week I can't drop lower than 30 a day 510713;1392616855;pankkake;how, now FeedBurner only reports 7 subscribers :/ I've sunk a lot 510714;1392616863;pankkake;wow* 510715;1392616885;pankkake;but I have 75 on another place. so. :) 510716;1392616895;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: fat lot of good 'subscribers' do. 510717;1392616917;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well the only ones I care about read the niggers.txt 510718;1392616925;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i've ~1k 'subscribers', 997 are silent or, far worse, detectably stupid 510719;1392616952;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I've seen that on your blog. 510720;1392616973;BingoBoingo;You have so many clojure fags 510721;1392616982;BingoBoingo;Imagining you are on their side 510722;1392617007;moiety;asciilifeform: i has a page! https://ely.ag go see go see! AND hosted on my own server! AND look at my email address! AND also home-hosted *beams* 510723;1392617050;BingoBoingo;moiety: Skip the flash 510724;1392617072;Jere_Jones;BingoBoingo The rest would be that BIP70 is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and thus completely unnecessary? 510725;1392617079;BingoBoingo;moiety: Only use parts of HTML 5 that are contextual. 510726;1392617100;moiety;oh aye i abandoned the flash page bingo, i got flash block myself lol 510727;1392617102;BingoBoingo;Jere_Jones: Read moar. You seem to underestimate my hatorade. 510728;1392617131;BingoBoingo;moiety: I mean flash as in styling term. 510729;1392617132;asciilifeform;moiety: have some medieval strange. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#509702 and below. 510730;1392617150;asciilifeform;(translation mine) 510731;1392617187;moiety;is this my reward? 510732;1392617189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7326 @ 0.00087647 = 6.421 BTC [-] 510733;1392617239;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That alost mtouches into the earlier half country stuff. 510734;1392617257;BingoBoingo;But... Terps are Big 10 nao 510735;1392617264;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ? 510736;1392617274;asciilifeform;what's a halfcountry 510737;1392617310;BingoBoingo;Romania versus hungary, Canada versus US. Half countries dominate -assets 510738;1392617352;asciilifeform;nothing 'half' about vlad tepes's kingdom. 510739;1392617388;asciilifeform;hard to cut myth from reality though. 510740;1392617409;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: And that is why S.Time would make BTC so much better. 510741;1392617420;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#509816 510742;1392617426;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 510743;1392617536;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: What about a rewrite without the dracula name? Consider the mess between Caligula and the well hung Assirians of the old testament. 510744;1392617548;asciilifeform;historic dracula 510745;1392617553;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0Zb8G8rE1g 510746;1392617557;asciilifeform;not the 19th c. fictional personage. 510747;1392617575;asciilifeform;'son of dragon.' 510748;1392617575;BingoBoingo;I'm a brain damaged 'Murican 510749;1392617578;ozbot;Neon Hitch - Fuck U Betta [Explicit Version] - YouTube 510750;1392617588;BingoBoingo;Oh, Bruce Lee 510751;1392617608;asciilifeform;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_tepes 510752;1392617609;ozbot;Vlad the Impaler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 510753;1392617616;moiety;proper drakula 510754;1392617658;BingoBoingo;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yersinia_pestis A real dragonborn 510755;1392617670;ozbot;Yersinia pestis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 510756;1392617794;BingoBoingo;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ross_(Cherokee_chief) 510757;1392617812;BingoBoingo;'Murica used to be such an easy target. 510758;1392617814;ozbot;John Ross (Cherokee chief) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 510759;1392618106;BingoBoingo;;;ident BingoBoingo 510760;1392618106;gribble;Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None 510761;1392618183;BingoBoingo;truffles, Namworld, nubbins' You have until the 28th of February to take this chess tournament to tiebreakers or I am withdrawing my pledge to the pot. 510762;1392618592;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] 200 @ 0.0005101 = 0.102 BTC [-] 510763;1392618644;BingoBoingo;deanclkclk: How goes your "exchange" 510764;1392618653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] 4680 @ 0.00051 = 2.3868 BTC [-] 510765;1392618675;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: You still online? 510766;1392618773;moiety;kickstarter been hacked?? 510767;1392618828;BingoBoingo;moiety: Old ns 510768;1392618998;BingoBoingo;http://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-4/01-the-only-dope-for-me-is-you/weeenus/ 510769;1392619020;ozbot;Dumbing of Age - Weenus 510770;1392619070;BingoBoingo;http://www.shortpacked.com/ 510771;1392619078;ozbot;Shortpacked by David Willis 510772;1392619080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 925 @ 0.00087647 = 0.8107 BTC [-] 510773;1392619141;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9780 @ 0.00087727 = 8.5797 BTC [+] {2} 510774;1392619188;BingoBoingo;Jacqueline was seventeen, Working on a desk, When I peered above a spectacle. 0.01 BTC to fucker who names the song, cause it is always better on holliday, 510775;1392619202;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1125 @ 0.00087501 = 0.9844 BTC [-] 510776;1392619260;Jere_Jones;Damn you BingoBoingo. My search for what is wrong with BIP70 has led me to way too much good stuff to read. I have code to write damnit! 510777;1392619285;BingoBoingo;Jere_Jones: All code is worthless without good implementations. 510778;1392619294;BingoBoingo;Don't AMir this shit. 510779;1392619305;Jere_Jones;"AMir"? 510780;1392619313;BingoBoingo;Taaki, nigga 510781;1392619321;BingoBoingo;Don't do him 510782;1392619338;BingoBoingo;Do shit right or GTFO 510783;1392619358;BingoBoingo;Unless tits, in that case show them and GTFO 510784;1392619417;BingoBoingo;Jere_Jones: Who do you work for anyways who would have you write code for Bitcoin purposes without knowing this shit? 510785;1392619443;Jere_Jones;I don't work for anyone that has me write bitcoin code. 510786;1392619482;Jere_Jones;I write bitcoin code because I want to. Or, at least, I will. 510787;1392619525;BingoBoingo;Jere_Jones: To do something as idiotic as take BIP 70 seriously you must have some dark master. I merely would like an introduction. 510788;1392619578;Jere_Jones;I didn't say I took it seriously. I only said it was 6 months old when you said that dell doc was 3 years out of date. 510789;1392619643;BingoBoingo;Jere_Jones: I am just saying. I had my 28th birthday, and too little to show for it. 510790;1392619698;Jere_Jones;Shit man. On my 28th birthday, I was still in the Navy and had not yet met my wife-to-be. 28 is young as fuck. 510791;1392619760;BingoBoingo;Jere_Jones: BTC is a thing though. I feel like a poor as hoobajew 510792;1392619851;Jere_Jones;In 10 days I will have my 39th birthday. In my 39 years I have learned that I am damn good at writing code. Yet, I haven't created anything that is worthwhile in a "greater scheme of things" sense. 510793;1392619881;Jere_Jones;I don't want to hit my 44th birthday and have that statement still ring true. 510794;1392619882;BingoBoingo;Jere_Jones: Have you tried amphetamines? 510795;1392619905;BingoBoingo;Jere_Jones: You seem to be seriously behind 510796;1392619952;Jere_Jones;Probably. But being behind is not going to get me to give up. 510797;1392619985;BingoBoingo;Jere_Jones: You need to kick your own ass and learn to lisp 510798;1392620018;Jere_Jones; 510799;1392620056;Jere_Jones;Unless "lisp" was a typo and didn't actually refer to the language. 510800;1392620104;BingoBoingo;Jere_Jones: How you read it is your choice 510801;1392620268;Jere_Jones;Then I choose to say "huh?" and ask for clarification. 510802;1392620283;Jere_Jones;Not on the first part. I understood that. 510803;1392620293;BingoBoingo;Jere_Jones: ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((()))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) 510804;1392620312;BingoBoingo;Those are weapons of a moar elegant age. 510805;1392620864;BingoBoingo;Come on dance with me Micheal 510806;1392620971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.0008778 = 12.2892 BTC [+] {2} 510807;1392621398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00087871 = 16.1683 BTC [+] {2} 510808;1392621590;BingoBoingo;I am afro man, Running through the forest with the Ku Klux Klan 510809;1392621703;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07103799 = 1.0656 BTC [+] {3} 510810;1392622923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00088009 = 5.8966 BTC [+] {2} 510811;1392622954;moiety;i think steve needs a new client or soemthing 510812;1392622965;BingoBoingo;Does anyone in -assets have a line to paul graham 510813;1392623007;BingoBoingo;benkay I know you mention people being too stupid for that 510814;1392623057;BingoBoingo;I am ready to whore myself out cheap for one honest business (the rest of them don't need whores) 510815;1392623097;BingoBoingo;100 BTC can keep my attention for one year. 510816;1392623597;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones the pair is formed out of the base and the counter. 510817;1392623603;moiety;to do what bingo? 510818;1392623622;mircea_popescu;o look it's a moiety. 510819;1392623661;moiety;mircea! how's you? i has a page naos! http://ely.ag/ 510820;1392623668;moiety;not excited or anything 510821;1392623697;mircea_popescu;god forbid you be excited, this is puritania, all excitement is punished by nipple excision 510822;1392623698;mircea_popescu;or incision 510823;1392623701;mircea_popescu;or w/e. 510824;1392623720;mircea_popescu;haha nice page. 510825;1392623752;mircea_popescu;has everything it needs to have, gpg key, email, etc. 510826;1392623792;mircea_popescu;lol cads discovering martingales. cute. 510827;1392623810;mircea_popescu;"hey guise! beer! w00t!" 510828;1392623884;moiety;look at me, i'm growing! i think bingo may have passed out 510829;1392623965;mircea_popescu;http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/02/15/bitcoins-largest-exchange-is-dying-heres-why-thats-not-a-problem-for-bitcoin/ 510830;1392623968;ozbot;Bitcoin’s largest exchange is dying. Here’s why that’s not a problem for Bitcoin. 510831;1392623972;mircea_popescu;check out tim lee changing his mind. 510832;1392624003;BingoBoingo;I am so full of hate. 510833;1392624035;mircea_popescu;wha happened ? 510834;1392624068;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: High School fucks want favors out of my sweet nothing. 510835;1392624084;mircea_popescu;so fuck them. 510836;1392624106;BingoBoingo;Oh, too late ofr that. 510837;1392624143;mircea_popescu;never too late. 510838;1392624172;moiety;all this energy could be better spent elsewhere 510839;1392624192;BingoBoingo;Maybe for them. I remember though the time I tried to buy coke and got gyp'd into ketamine. 510840;1392624196;moiety;like turning me into a chess grandmaster or something 510841;1392624200;BingoBoingo;In 2009 510842;1392624235;BingoBoingo;moiety: That would ne cleaner that me collecting from all my nigs 510843;1392624265;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07349999 = 0.147 BTC [+] 510844;1392624279;mircea_popescu;pankkake: how, now FeedBurner only reports 7 subscribers :/ I've sunk a lot << see that's why i prefer talking to max keiser. he has a lot of subscribers. this makes a difference. /sarcasm 510845;1392624305;BingoBoingo;Fuck, 7 is a lot of subscribers? 510846;1392624328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00087567 = 12.6096 BTC [-] {2} 510847;1392624331;BingoBoingo;(The hatorade builds) 510848;1392624343;mircea_popescu;"Jere_Jones:BingoBoingo The rest would be that BIP70 is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and thus completely unnecessary?" lol checxk him out, at this rate by the end of the year he's rewriting trilema :D 510849;1392624366;moiety;if i ever blog, will you guys subscribe so i don't feel bad?! 510850;1392624370;mircea_popescu;nope. 510851;1392624373;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: On BIP 70 he doesn't make it that far 510852;1392624387;mircea_popescu;well maybe if tits. 510853;1392624391;mircea_popescu;what's in a subscription. 510854;1392624393;BingoBoingo;moiety: I'll sunscribe if you say something good. 510855;1392624410;mircea_popescu;maybe someone'll serbscribe... 510856;1392624437;moiety;supscript, i just say hi daily 510857;1392624451;mircea_popescu;lol 510858;1392624461;BingoBoingo;BE aware. As much anger as I have, there are moar people I'd like to kill than subscribe to. 510859;1392624472;mircea_popescu;so you;d subscribe to their funeral ? 510860;1392624480;BingoBoingo;Yeah. 510861;1392624491;mircea_popescu;best oration ever. "Dear people, I am here because I really wanted this fucker dead, and now he is." 510862;1392624512;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That is pretty much my legal defense. 510863;1392624530;BingoBoingo;For that nasty disorderly conduct charge. 510864;1392624541;mircea_popescu;sounds like it'd go over better in a las vegas strip club than in a chicago court. 510865;1392624577;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Who said chicago. This goes to cour in East St Louis. 510866;1392624589;BingoBoingo;Because Niggers.txt. 510867;1392624644;BingoBoingo;I like some dark chocolate pussy, but not at the cost of my freedom. 510868;1392624657;mircea_popescu;you know he has a point. 28 is young as fuck, and i don't even comprehend wtf this notion is that twennysomethings should have like careers and moneyz and womenz and whatnot. 510869;1392624660;mircea_popescu;live a little. 510870;1392624746;mircea_popescu;http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/16/republicans-obama-is-violating-constitution-but-little-can-do/ 510871;1392624764;mircea_popescu;republicans : "nine out of ten participants to a gangbang really enjoy the experience" 510872;1392624786;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Shhhh... 510873;1392624814;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.072 = 0.144 BTC [+] 510874;1392624827;BingoBoingo;I miss occupy WTF, because that was some easy tang. 510875;1392624873;BingoBoingo;BTC is a thing that exists nao though. 510876;1392624918;BingoBoingo;Dun dun dun dun. Stupid fucking mongoloids. 510877;1392624952;mircea_popescu;so am i the only one for whom the https://bitcoinaverage.com/ site simply loads nothing ? 510878;1392624958;mircea_popescu;dumbass bootstrap javascript etc. 510879;1392625046;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That side loads a full Usagi for me 510880;1392625068;mircea_popescu;prolly attempts to load some blocked script and fails to degrade. 510881;1392625080;BingoBoingo;Shit\ 510882;1392625138;BingoBoingo;I dumped a bunch of cigs on my lap 510883;1392625241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00088021 = 11.9268 BTC [+] {2} 510884;1392625258;BingoBoingo;I howeveer an still willing to coach Paul Graham and be his Nick Saban for 100 BTC/year 510885;1392625267;moiety;works ok for me 510886;1392625296;BingoBoingo;moiety: Maybe harass him a bit with your vagina? 510887;1392625315;moiety;lol harass who and why? 510888;1392625334;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo eh you're coming on too strong, and to the wrong people. 510889;1392625337;BingoBoingo;I want those assholes to learn to learn 510890;1392625345;mircea_popescu;paul graham is dead, or at any rate old enough he might as well be. 510891;1392625350;mircea_popescu;find some unheard of upstart. 510892;1392625369;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I think too stong to the right people. 510893;1392625378;moiety;i'm not even sure how one harrasses with on'es vagina to begin with 510894;1392625384;mircea_popescu;for anyone into celebration : Tue, 13 May 2014 16:53:20 GMT will be unixtime 1400000000 510895;1392625392;mircea_popescu;that aside, we doing anything for 1600000000 ? 510896;1392625415;BingoBoingo;Mircea No big BTC hollidays untile next year 510897;1392625420;mircea_popescu;(which, incidentally, aslo falls on a 13) 510898;1392625505;BingoBoingo;Any niggas here know a winkelvii? 510899;1392625509;mircea_popescu;https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/1011280_3925436269695_899022348_n.jpg 510900;1392625560;BingoBoingo;I can't pull that... again 510901;1392625571;moiety;you know you get virtual assistants? do you think bitcoin secretaries would be of any use? 510902;1392625594;BingoBoingo;moiety: Move to Timisoara already 510903;1392625617;mircea_popescu;bitcoin secretaries would be of plenty of use, if they're very good at what they do. 510904;1392625621;moiety;where is that and why do i know that name 510905;1392625621;mircea_popescu;and they don't end up working for george. 510906;1392625628;moiety;and who is george 510907;1392625654;BingoBoingo;George is the otheer nigga in timisoara 510908;1392625661;mircea_popescu;moiety http://www.seinology.com/scripts/script-95.shtml grep fro "feasible" 510909;1392625676;mircea_popescu;im sorry, doable not feasible 510910;1392625686;mircea_popescu;forgot for a moment this show was intended for a us audience 510911;1392625699;mircea_popescu;must use dblplusgood speaks and stuff. 510912;1392625706;BingoBoingo;I hold out for Paul graham for one reason. 510913;1392625713;BingoBoingo;niggers.txt. 510914;1392625717;moiety;aha! seinfield. I keep meaning to watch it, so many people reference it 510915;1392625776;BingoBoingo;Some dude though wanted me+him to be the StL BTC meetup. 510916;1392625785;BingoBoingo;Told him to fuck off. 510917;1392625794;BingoBoingo;Nao he works for Bitpay. 510918;1392625807;moiety;lol harsh 510919;1392625811;BingoBoingo;Told him an hour ago to fuck off harder 510920;1392625859;BingoBoingo;moiety: This is how business happens though 510921;1392625892;BingoBoingo;Especially since Charlie SHrem was Bitpay's BTC Jesus too. 510922;1392625912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 12000 @ 0.0002 = 2.4 BTC [+] 510923;1392625966;moiety;lets get drunk today, seems the best road for monday 510924;1392625971;BingoBoingo;Nevar has anyone in the history of wealth held so little and done so much. 510925;1392625989;BingoBoingo;'Cauuse Plato was wrong, nigga 510926;1392626004;moiety;what happened to shrem? 510927;1392626023;BingoBoingo;moiety: He owned a bong in 'Murica? 510928;1392626146;moiety;found Timisoara, i know it from here. that's where you live mircea, right? 510929;1392626149;BingoBoingo;This is prolly still true http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=54 510930;1392626183;BingoBoingo;moiety: That isn't where he lives, That is where he thrives. 510931;1392626210;moiety;wiki has a lovely picture of the square at night in winter 510932;1392626224;moiety;why can't we have leds all year round 510933;1392626349;moiety;youre very very drunk huh bingo 510934;1392626394;BingoBoingo;moiety: If you think this is very drunk, I dun want to know what you imagine sober is 510935;1392626449;BingoBoingo;moiety: Even if there is worse, I swear I am not the worst. 510936;1392626461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00087499 = 8.9249 BTC [-] {2} 510937;1392626472;moiety;sober is when you don't talk to me 510938;1392626488;moiety;smahed is when you end up in court 510939;1392626491;moiety;smashed 510940;1392626497;moiety;i think we are in between just now :P 510941;1392626522;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00088027 = 21.3025 BTC [+] {2} 510942;1392626574;BingoBoingo;Moiety ther is plenty of room to refine that spectrum 510943;1392626739;moiety;lol 510944;1392626750;BingoBoingo;Smashed is what I still defend in court, for justice. 510945;1392626778;moiety;february is next bit isnt it 510946;1392626923;BingoBoingo;Smashed is what I still defend in court, for justice. Moiety it is a bit too late your you 510947;1392627033;moiety;understandation incomplete. please try again? 510948;1392627070;BingoBoingo;Suppose again? 510949;1392627083;moiety;whats too late forme? 510950;1392627094;moiety;im a lost cause in general, i thought we clarified that 510951;1392627114;BingoBoingo;moiety: I am loster 510952;1392627142;moiety;you feel more lost than you are BingoBoingo. i just think youre looking for something. 510953;1392627374;moiety;http://www.cairnomohr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Scottish-Strawberry-Wine.jpg i found this however gorgeous 510954;1392627430;BingoBoingo;moiety: Of course I am lost, I am 'Murican 510955;1392627468;BingoBoingo;You have been trying for a niche too long. Do you want an expert or not; challenge posed t Mr Graham 510956;1392627502;moiety;did you just say that to him? 510957;1392627517;BingoBoingo;moiety: TO Graham, yes 510958;1392627521;moiety;you are one of the more enlightened 'muricans though bingo 510959;1392627531;BingoBoingo;moiety: I know 510960;1392627545;BingoBoingo;And people who ignore that will pain 510961;1392627559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00088058 = 9.9946 BTC [+] {3} 510962;1392627562;moiety;this is why you need a bitch man, you need someone to sit on your phone in these times to create a line you cant go over 510963;1392627608;mircea_popescu;mkay, i see moiety has the situation in hand hiar. 510964;1392627644;moiety;dont leave us! 510965;1392627787;herbijudlestoids;hullo kids 510966;1392627790;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: chess? 510967;1392627821;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: the song is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AogtividIuk 510968;1392627877;moiety;herbi! 510969;1392627929;moiety;herbi herbi I've been at my pi again! It now looks after my email AND http://ely.ag/ *beams* 510970;1392627978;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Not nao when the laptop is a traitor 510971;1392627988;herbijudlestoids;moiety: got er goin 24/7? https://www.mailpile.is/ is something i heard about yesterday 510972;1392628001;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: :( ok 510973;1392628023;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Black or white? 510974;1392628038;herbijudlestoids;haha are we playing? 510975;1392628051;herbijudlestoids;heads 510976;1392628052;herbijudlestoids;;;coin 510977;1392628053;gribble;tails 510978;1392628077;BingoBoingo;Why cause my lappy has the twitch? 510979;1392628114;herbijudlestoids;i came on just for a game! 510980;1392628170;BingoBoingo;I coughed on the lappy and nao it is angry 510981;1392628205;herbijudlestoids;alright, enjoy the song ;) 510982;1392628218;BingoBoingo;I am so full of hate 510983;1392628409;BingoBoingo;can't click 510984;1392628439;BingoBoingo;such pain 510985;1392628787;moiety;oooh herbi thanks for the mailpile link 510986;1392628838;moiety;lol i love how bingo's speech becomes more and more dogelike the more and more vodka-filled he is 510987;1392629096;BingoBoingo;moiety: i NEVER KNEW A dOGE WHO TALKED LIKE ME. 510988;1392629119;BingoBoingo;Maybe Doge means different things though. 510989;1392629233;moiety;i dont know anyone that talks like you dear 510990;1392629255;moiety;thats a good thing 510991;1392629279;moiety;are yous playing chess? 510992;1392629338;BingoBoingo;moiety: Mouse ain't working right, so no, night night 510993;1392629379;moiety;nanight BingoBoingo sleep well, hope you dont feel rough when you get up 510994;1392629450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00087554 = 8.2301 BTC [-] 510995;1392629511;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.574999 BTC [+] 510996;1392629723;moiety;is selling domains on btctalk a hideous idea? 510997;1392629878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12074 @ 0.00087496 = 10.5643 BTC [-] {2} 510998;1392629938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00087493 = 2.3623 BTC [-] 510999;1392630162;WillTablet;Hello 511000;1392630162;cazalla;depends, most people selling domains there are selling utter junk 511001;1392630609;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.57844999 = 3.4707 BTC [+] {6} 511002;1392630721;WillTablet;Heh if anyone wants dickfun.com for the rest of its term they can have ir 511003;1392630888;jurov;https://twitter.com/ConanOBrien/status/435273030927802368 << mircea_popescu 511004;1392630889;ozbot;Twitter / ConanOBrien: Wow. Strippers get angry if ... 511005;1392631280;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.58400221 = 6.424 BTC [+] 511006;1392631491;moiety;-strippers get angry if... they aren't spray painted gold first 511007;1392631646;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58400221 = 1.168 BTC [+] 511008;1392632244;moiety;hey, steve, please turn off your laptop! 511009;1392632275;moiety;or not 511010;1392632429;moiety;cazalla: mine is a bitcoin domain, just unsure what to list for 511011;1392632502;cazalla;moiety: obviously but 99% of them are total shit 511012;1392632563;moiety;yeah ive just been having a look at other listings for reference cazalla i see what you mean 511013;1392633476;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.19376446 = 1.5501 BTC [+] 511014;1392633757;Namworld;https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20140217-Announcement.pdf 511015;1392633771;Namworld;"With this new system in place, MtGox should be able to resume withdrawals 511016;1392633771;Namworld;soon. At the beginning we will do so at a moderated pace and with new daily/ 511017;1392633771;Namworld;monthly limits in place to prevent any problems with the new system and to take 511018;1392633771;Namworld;into account current market conditions. " 511019;1392633789;Namworld;market... conditions... right, whatever that is supposed to mean. 511020;1392633875;davout;also how is an e-mail telling you someone logged in to your account a security measure 511021;1392633877;CiPi;Is crap. 511022;1392633881;CiPi;They lie again. 511023;1392633887;CiPi;That fat mark liar. 511024;1392633909;davout;that's just letting you know you're being buttraped faster but doesn't really help... 511025;1392633961;davout;"hey, someone is currently performing surprise butseks on your account, since they'll probably change your password right away you're fucked nonetheless" 511026;1392633997;CiPi;I`m glad that i don`t have coins there. 511027;1392634032;CiPi;I just identified a jew, nkuttler...a big one... 511028;1392634052;jurov;;;bc,stats 511029;1392634054;gribble;Current Blocks: 286340 | Current Difficulty: 3.1295731745222874E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 288287 | Next Difficulty In: 1947 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 22 hours, 31 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3607442252.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.26946 511030;1392634091;jurov;oh it did already change again 511031;1392634391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00087503 = 2.7563 BTC [+] 511032;1392634818;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 43 @ 0.06720002 = 2.8896 BTC [-] {4} 511033;1392635062;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06437499 = 0.515 BTC [-] {5} 511034;1392635095;davout;!t m x.eur 511035;1392635096;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00218173 / 0.00218173 / 0.00218173 (450 shares, 0.98 BTC), 7D: 0.00194567 / 0.00201007 / 0.00218173 (3800 shares, 7.64 BTC), 30D: 0.00166114 / 0.00178039 / 0.00218173 (15250 shares, 27.15 BTC) 511036;1392635523;Willdude123;Are all this bitcoin stocks actually legal? 511037;1392635730;KRS-One;hah 511038;1392635784;Willdude123;IKR legal is so 2013 511039;1392635922;davout;Willdude123: define "legal" 511040;1392635965;Willdude123;In keeping with financial tax, regulation and investment law 511041;1392636099;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.0002375 = 0.95 BTC [+] 511042;1392636282;random_cat;in what locale? 511043;1392636308;random_cat;for the buyer or the seller? 511044;1392636576;davout;Willdude123: "teh law" is something relative to where you live, so unless you specify *which* law it is impossible to go further 511045;1392636608;davout;bitcoin stocks are perfectly compliant with the laws of gravity 511046;1392636677;Willdude123;Loads of exchanges tell people not to trade if they're in the US. What laws apply if they are offshore but primarily serving Americans? 511047;1392636992;davout;Willdude123: i didn't really investigate the subject of the application of american regulations to non-US bitcoin stock exchanges, but it seems the SEC does have an opinion, not that it really matters that much though. you should ask nefario about it, he used to run glbse that allegedly closed down due to some sort of SEC-indeuced legal pressure 511048;1392637075;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 83 @ 0.0055 = 0.4565 BTC 511049;1392637319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7904 @ 0.00087503 = 6.9162 BTC [+] 511050;1392637380;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.129 BTC [+] 511051;1392637764;Namworld;[06:30] bitcoin stocks are perfectly compliant with the laws of gravity 511052;1392637846;Namworld;ah 511053;1392637894;random_cat;*which* laws of gravity? Newton, Einstein, or something newer? 511054;1392639454;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.19376446 = 1.5501 BTC [+] 511055;1392640186;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+] 511056;1392640308;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.12 = 0.96 BTC [-] 511057;1392640369;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] 511058;1392640455;ThickAsThieves;i called it! "With this new system in place, MtGox should be able to resume withdrawals soon. At the beginning we will do so at a moderated pace and with new daily/monthly limits in place to prevent any problems with the new system and to take 511059;1392640455;ThickAsThieves;into account current market conditions. " 511060;1392640562;ThickAsThieves;[16:54] so any predictions what gox will announce? 511061;1392640562;ThickAsThieves;[16:55] i'm going with "btc withdrawals are now partially open, so we can monitor the situation" 511062;1392641129;Willdude123;Hey ThickAsThieves 511063;1392641147;Willdude123;I was thinking I could learn more programming and do that for BTC 511064;1392641367;ThickAsThieves;go for it 511065;1392641389;ThickAsThieves;just dont be a flaky knowitallthatknowslittle programmer 511066;1392641392;ThickAsThieves;we have enough of those 511067;1392641699;Willdude123;So someone who's just like ooh programming I can get $$ for this 511068;1392642626;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.07777002 = 0.3111 BTC [-] {2} 511069;1392642627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00087482 = 19.1148 BTC [-] {2} 511070;1392642931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25254 @ 0.0008755 = 22.1099 BTC [+] {2} 511071;1392643288;moiety;any men online just now?? 511072;1392643480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.00087467 = 0.3499 BTC [-] 511073;1392643602;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.129 = 0.258 BTC [+] 511074;1392643664;kakobrekla;yes, men online just now. 511075;1392643807;moiety;lol sorry realise how that sounded 511076;1392643815;moiety;ignore me, i had a situation 511077;1392643888;Willdude123;Men in your area 511078;1392643896;Willdude123;Looking for fun :P 511079;1392644214;kakobrekla;men just want to have fun 511080;1392644337;KRS-One;Woo! Lets party 511081;1392644340;KRS-One;Who wants to cyber? 511082;1392644343;KRS-One;.bait 511083;1392644344;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/4a52a4e5ccfe25e254cce8995ea87410/tumblr_mooo4un2LE1r6rxajo1_1280.jpg 511084;1392644355;mircea_popescu;simona halep is now #9 wta! ha! 511085;1392644367;kakobrekla;;;google cyndi lauper just want to have fun 511086;1392644367;gribble;Cyndi Lauper - Girls Just Want To Have Fun - YouTube: ; Girls Just Want to Have Fun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Cyndi Lauper – Girls Just Want to Have Fun – Listen and discover ...: 511087;1392644446;mircea_popescu;lol jurov 511088;1392644517;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 500 @ 0.0002375 = 0.1188 BTC [+] 511089;1392644923;ThickAsThieves;whoa simona has big lungs 511090;1392644934;mircea_popescu;not anymore 511091;1392644936;mircea_popescu;she used to. 511092;1392644940;ThickAsThieves;ah 511093;1392644944;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.571 = 1.713 BTC [-] 511094;1392645066;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07349999 = 0.3675 BTC [+] {2} 511095;1392645067;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.061 = 0.122 BTC [-] 511096;1392645068;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [+] 511097;1392645127;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0735 = 1.47 BTC [+] {2} 511098;1392645142;moiety;sorry guys, what happened was i went outside and my pet i just buried had been uncovered and was missing, i just didn't know what to do and i got a bit upset. apologies 511099;1392645164;mircea_popescu;so was it a fox ? 511100;1392645176;moiety;maybe, or dog or something 511101;1392645188;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07349999 = 0.735 BTC [-] {2} 511102;1392645191;moiety;the stuff i had wrapped the pet in was all over thegarden :( 511103;1392645205;moiety;and im scared to find parts of my pet, you know? 511104;1392645220;mircea_popescu;sucks ;/ 511105;1392645224;mircea_popescu;why did you bury it shallow ? 511106;1392645231;moiety;i didn't think it was shallow 511107;1392645237;moiety;and its a private garden 511108;1392645238;mircea_popescu;how deep was it ? 511109;1392645248;moiety;thinking on it, about a foot? 511110;1392645249;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0735 = 0.735 BTC [+] 511111;1392645251;mircea_popescu;that makes no difference, ownership is a people thing not a nature thing. 511112;1392645257;mircea_popescu;ever heard the "seven feet under" expression ? 511113;1392645270;ThickAsThieves;sixfeet in US 511114;1392645280;ThickAsThieves;we even have a TV show 511115;1392645284;moiety;it was just really hard digging a hole with a spoon on my own, i was a bit upset when i was doing it 511116;1392645293;mircea_popescu;yes well. 511117;1392645299;mircea_popescu;didja put anything over it ? like a plank or something ? 511118;1392645301;Willdude123;ThickAsThieves, can I ask you a question regarding B.MINE and B.SELL? 511119;1392645312;ThickAsThieves;you should ask the guy who runs it 511120;1392645321;moiety;yeah, i put wood planks that were outside over her to keep her safe 511121;1392645340;mircea_popescu;what did you bury ? 511122;1392645360;moiety;please don't laugh, she meant a lot to me 511123;1392645362;moiety;hamster 511124;1392645385;mircea_popescu;it was a cat. 511125;1392645390;mircea_popescu;cats will dig about a foot 511126;1392645396;ThickAsThieves;you think? 511127;1392645399;mircea_popescu;defo. 511128;1392645410;moiety;i think that makes sense 511129;1392645422;mircea_popescu;next time get a shovel eh. just because it's a tiny pet doesn't mean it can't get a manly burial. 511130;1392645422;moiety;there isnt that much of a mess for a dog to have been digging 511131;1392645440;kakobrekla;well, you did provide some cat a meal, thats a good thing. 511132;1392645448;moiety;i learned big lesson today mircea_popescu 511133;1392645473;ThickAsThieves;i'd guess another critter 511134;1392645474;moiety;i guess kakobrekla i know its all circular, its just a bit upsetting when its right in front of you 511135;1392645476;ThickAsThieves;like raccoon 511136;1392645483;mircea_popescu;she's in scotland 511137;1392645484;moiety;no racoons in scotland! 511138;1392645486;mircea_popescu;they have raccoons now ? 511139;1392645487;ThickAsThieves;oh 511140;1392645488;ThickAsThieves;lol 511141;1392645491;moiety;:D 511142;1392645504;moiety;but hey! you stopped me crying lolol 511143;1392645539;ThickAsThieves;maybe the cat needs a home 511144;1392645545;Willdude123;ThickAsThieves, is he on here? 511145;1392645562;ThickAsThieves;will, i dont think so, but he is responsive in his fporum thread 511146;1392645599;kakobrekla;wtf is this shit now 511147;1392645604;kakobrekla;supernode changed his name 511148;1392645617;moiety;im a bit scared to search the garden but i feel i should just in case theres bits i could rebury 511149;1392645618;kakobrekla;he is now > 511150;1392645618;kakobrekla;"rpietila, the Vassal of the Mighty Goat" 511151;1392645641;ThickAsThieves;cats dont leave bits 511152;1392645646;ThickAsThieves;they transport 511153;1392645658;mircea_popescu;yeah it probably put the thing's head on a pike somewhere. 511154;1392645700;ThickAsThieves;it's probablt on the cat owner's steps 511155;1392645715;kakobrekla;did the chang goat get him or what 511156;1392645724;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla sort-of old news actually. 511157;1392645743;kakobrekla;well im out of the loop apparently 511158;1392645744;moiety;poor wilma :( 511159;1392645752;ThickAsThieves;nice name 511160;1392645815;mircea_popescu;why does wilma care whether it's eaten by fungus or mammals ? 511161;1392645848;moiety;I care. i feel she deerved better 511162;1392645849;kakobrekla;well, i vouch taht rodents dont care if they are eaten 511163;1392645863;Willdude123;I wonder if I could somehow time lock my btc. So make it such that I can't touch them for 6 months 511164;1392645879;moiety;i couldn't bury her for ages you see, I just couldn't do it. so its worse that when i finally managed to bury her, she gets eaten a day later 511165;1392645894;kakobrekla;Willdude123 there are several ways of doing that 511166;1392645896;mircea_popescu;Willdude123 yeah. by not touching them for 6 months. 511167;1392645905;Willdude123;heh 511168;1392645910;mircea_popescu;moiety ahahaha you're such a twerp. 511169;1392645926;mircea_popescu;why not ask a day before rather than a day after teh failburial ? 511170;1392645986;kakobrekla;in some cultures that i didnt bother to remember, they un-bury the dead every few years 511171;1392645991;kakobrekla;clean the bones up 511172;1392645994;moiety;i didn't realise it had failed until about 20 minutes agp 511173;1392645994;kakobrekla;pack it back down. 511174;1392645998;moiety;ago 511175;1392646004;mircea_popescu;moiety but it was the first time you did it right ? 511176;1392646014;mircea_popescu;what made you think you're a qualified undertaker. 511177;1392646014;moiety;yep 511178;1392646032;moiety;oh lol not a single thing aside from not having any other option 511179;1392646050;mircea_popescu;so maybe next time ask the internets before devirginizing. 511180;1392646053;mircea_popescu;the internets know all. 511181;1392646083;kakobrekla;Willdude123 its possible to make a tx in such way it will be valid after n time, or just use bitbet. 511182;1392646086;moiety;yeah I usually am a lot more efficient when not bereaved 511183;1392646088;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla yeah, like in romania. 511184;1392646093;mircea_popescu;7 years, wash bones in wine, rebury. 511185;1392646103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00087554 = 5.0344 BTC [+] 511186;1392646118;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla wow that's true... bitbet can lock oyur dough for X time np./ 511187;1392646148;kakobrekla;you know that already. 511188;1392646151;ThickAsThieves;thats one of the excuses i give myself for betting 511189;1392646155;kakobrekla;i didnt know romanians do that shit, its retarded. 511190;1392646179;moiety;only the first 7 mircea_popescu ? 511191;1392646188;moiety;or every 7? 511192;1392646189;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla well it's done in the east (moldavia), where the retarded romanians live. 511193;1392646191;mircea_popescu;first 7. 511194;1392646196;moiety;k, thx 511195;1392646206;mircea_popescu;i think the next is 42 or 49 or somesuch 511196;1392646220;ThickAsThieves;however long til the bones are no longer drunk 511197;1392646224;mircea_popescu;lol 511198;1392646225;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.55540032 = 8.331 BTC [-] {6} 511199;1392646240;mircea_popescu;it's actually useful in places where you need to reuse the ground 511200;1392646247;mircea_popescu;take the bones out, bury someone else. 511201;1392646259;mircea_popescu;this is practiced extensively, just, you don't know about it. 511202;1392646266;moiety;you know, there is a park where i usually bury my small pets... im thinking others have probably been uncovered and i just havent seen it... 511203;1392646280;moiety;mircea_popescu: but don't they go looking ofr the missing (buried) person? 511204;1392646282;kakobrekla;yes its logical when you need some space, first thing it to come to mind - poke dead people 511205;1392646283;moiety;for* 511206;1392646286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.55 = 2.75 BTC [-] {3} 511207;1392646292;mircea_popescu;moiety who, they ? 511208;1392646310;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla romania is a country with ~20mn people alive and ~150 bn people dead. 511209;1392646313;ThickAsThieves;romanians leave no witnesses 511210;1392646318;mircea_popescu;you want the entire country to be a cemetery or something ? 511211;1392646330;kakobrekla;burn to ashes 511212;1392646333;kakobrekla;takes less sapce 511213;1392646336;mircea_popescu;for that matter, visit rome. they have osuaries. 511214;1392646338;kakobrekla;space 511215;1392646341;mircea_popescu;how do you think they got THOSE bones ? 511216;1392646357;kakobrekla;why would you want to look up after rome!? 511217;1392646359;mircea_popescu;pretty much all xtian monasteries did this. 511218;1392646372;mircea_popescu;i didn't say you'd want to, just that people do. 511219;1392646377;moiety;are osuaries those places with the wee slots for peoples remains? 511220;1392646426;mircea_popescu;;;google santa maria della concezione dei cappuccini 511221;1392646426;gribble;Santa Maria della Concezione dei Cappuccini - Wikipedia, the free ...: ; Santa Maria della Concezione Crypts | Atlas Obscura: ; Santa Maria della Concezione - TripAdvisor: ; Fort Douaumont - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Douaumont ossuary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: 511227;1392646560;kakobrekla;>The construction work for Fort de Douaumont started in 1885 and the fort was continually reinforced until 1913. 511228;1392646568;kakobrekla;>and due to French unpreparedness, the fort was easily captured by a small German raiding party. 511229;1392646570;kakobrekla;#win 511230;1392646575;mircea_popescu;lol 511231;1392646586;mircea_popescu;"then it was filled with like 100k skeletons" 511232;1392646624;moiety;yes! thats the one! 511233;1392646681;mircea_popescu;moiety douaumont is not in paris, it's at verdun 511234;1392646713;moiety;it's the catacombs im thinking of 511235;1392646722;kakobrekla;but but france is in paris 511236;1392646722;mircea_popescu;and for that matter, 511237;1392646725;kakobrekla;so it makes it ok! 511238;1392646726;mircea_popescu;;;google czermna 511239;1392646727;gribble;Skull Chapel, Czermna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Czermna, Lesser Poland Voivodeship - Wikipedia, the free ...: ; Kaplica Czaszek: The Chapel of Skulls | Atlas Obscura: 511240;1392646757;moiety;my gosh there is loads of these places 511241;1392646777;mircea_popescu;toldja. 511242;1392646808;moiety;quite impressive how neatly they can be stacked 511243;1392646865;moiety;have any of you ever visited any of them? 511244;1392646865;mircea_popescu;moiety you sure you weren't thinking of the actual catacombes de paris ? 511245;1392646869;mircea_popescu;sure. 511246;1392646878;moiety;i think i was mircea_popescu 511247;1392646911;moiety;might seem a strange question, but is there a smell to these places? i would imagine there would be 511248;1392646918;mircea_popescu;not really. 511249;1392646993;moiety;apparently you can get lost in the catacombes 511250;1392647042;davout;moiety: yeah, if you ever go there go with someone who knows 511251;1392647070;moiety;i really want to but i think i would get creeped at the entrance on my own davout! lol 511252;1392647079;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.552 BTC [+] 511253;1392647090;moiety;so many things to see in this world, i want eyes on legs 511254;1392647103;mircea_popescu;moiety chained nude somewhere in the depts of it, where nobody ever goes. 511255;1392647115;mircea_popescu;there, fixed your nightmares for you. 511256;1392647123;davout;the catacombs in paris aren't really filled with bones and stuff tho, they were originally places where people would get rocks from, don't know the word in english for it 511257;1392647124;ThickAsThieves;http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/02/15/bitcoins-largest-exchange-is-dying-heres-why-thats-not-a-problem-for-bitcoin/ <<< if anyone is in the mood to laugh at current WP commenter ignorance 511258;1392647135;mircea_popescu;davout quarry ? 511259;1392647140;davout;mircea_popescu: exactly, ty 511260;1392647147;ozbot;Bitcoin’s largest exchange is dying. Here’s why that’s not a problem for Bitcoin. 511261;1392647160;moiety;lolol yep, good job mircea, now im thinking on the person that locks the chains *scared* 511262;1392647168;davout;so they were originally quarries, and a part of them was used to put bones away when paris cemetaries were getting filled up 511263;1392647210;moiety;i love that washington post uses wordpress 511264;1392647216;mircea_popescu;wow, apparently other people had this filled cemeteries problem too! 511265;1392647235;mircea_popescu;check it out kakobrekla, other countries are like... you know, inhabited 511266;1392647241;mircea_popescu;with populations and everything. 511267;1392647244;moiety;lol you have to book your spot here in advance, theres so little space 511268;1392647248;kakobrekla;sarajevo had the same problem 511269;1392647266;kakobrekla;anyway the problem is that people dont want to burn bodies to ashes 511270;1392647286;mircea_popescu;Sarajevo (Cyrillic: Сарајево; pronounced [sǎrajɛʋɔ]) is the capital and largest city of Bosnia and Herzegovina, with an estimated population of 291,422 511271;1392647288;mircea_popescu;fucking epic. 511272;1392647289;moiety;i would prefer that to rotting in the ground 511273;1392647315;kakobrekla;well the problem there was war and they were locked in there 511274;1392647319;kakobrekla;with lotsa bodies 511275;1392647386;mircea_popescu;yea 511276;1392647446;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00087538 = 8.4474 BTC [-] 511277;1392647454;moiety;it's a real shame there just now too 511278;1392647588;kakobrekla;yeah 511279;1392647591;kakobrekla;as someone famous said 511280;1392647605;kakobrekla;the balkans produce more history than they can consume 511281;1392647610;mircea_popescu;ha! 511282;1392647617;mircea_popescu;now that's a good saying. 511283;1392647865;chetty;http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/02/14/health-department-launches-new-look-for-nyc-branded-condom-larger-kyng-size/ 511284;1392647865;ozbot;Health Department Launches New Look For Branded Condom, Larger Size « CBS New York 511285;1392647933;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.062 = 0.93 BTC [-] 511286;1392648130;ThickAsThieves;why is the Kyng size smaller looking? 511287;1392648215;ThickAsThieves;and why the Y? 511288;1392648317;chetty;I was hoping you guys could explain. 511289;1392648421;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.0002375 = 0.1663 BTC [+] 511290;1392648447;moiety;is this an extremely poor pr tack?? 511291;1392648478;moiety;as in everything new york gets NYXX treatment. this is a very bad play on that? 511292;1392648482;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 78 @ 0.02467669 = 1.9248 BTC [-] {12} 511293;1392648538;moiety;either waym they just look like kanyedoms 511294;1392648898;moiety;who is failcoin on twitter? 511295;1392648909;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 54 @ 0.0055 = 0.297 BTC 511296;1392649365;moiety;whoops! http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/02/08/national/tepco-no-1-plant-readings-probably-too-low/#.UwIjymJ_us9 511297;1392649458;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57984176 BTC [+] 511298;1392649734;jurov;sigh, what did the world come to 511299;1392649763;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.062 = 0.62 BTC [-] 511300;1392649885;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07101101 = 0.3551 BTC [-] 511301;1392649951;asciilifeform;'when the king freed [exiled] drakula from the dungeon, he lead him to buda, and gifted to him a house in pest, opposite buda, but to his court not yet permitted him. and then it happened that some fleeing rogue ran into drakula's manor and took refuge there. the pursuers sought the rogue there and found him. then drakula lept up, snatched his sword, ran from his quarters and beheaded the constable who had caug 511302;1392649951;asciilifeform;ht the rogue - and released the rogue. the other constables took flight, and, when they came to the judge, spoke to him of this. the judge and his horsemen went to the king with complaint of drakula. the king a messenger to drakula, to ask, 'why have you wrought this evil?' he replies thusly, 'no evil have i wrought, but the constable has slaine himself with his own hand: such shall be the demise of any who, li 511303;1392649952;asciilifeform;ke a rogue, storms into the home of a great lord. had he come to me and spoke reason, i would have found the rogue in my home and either given him up, or asked for his reprieve.' the king was told of this. and he laughed, and marvelled at drakula's approach.' 511304;1392650104;jurov;nothing unusual 511305;1392650123;jurov;hungaruan kings always had problems with local warlords 511306;1392650129;jurov;*hungarian 511307;1392650196;jurov;i'd say marvelled is just a bad translation 511308;1392650422;asciilifeform;try this one on for size then. 'once drakula proclaimed: let it be known throughout all of his lands, that all who are old, or invalid, or diseased, or poor, shall come to him. and so came to him an untold multitude of beggars and vagabonds, awaiting generous alms. he ordered them all brought to a house for this purpose built, and had food and wine brought to them. they feasted amidst great merriment. drakula t 511309;1392650422;asciilifeform;hen came to them in person, and asked 'what more do you wish?' they answered thusly: 'it is known only to god, lord, and to you: do that which god commands you.' he asked further of them: 'do you wish me to make you happy in this world, wanting for nothing?' they, awaiting from him great generosity, replied in unison, 'yes, we do want, our lord!' and then drakula ordered the house sealed and put to the torch, a 511310;1392650423;asciilifeform;nd the alms-seekers did burn. and spoke drakula to his nobles thusly, 'do you know why i did this? firstly, let them no more pester people, and let there be no more beggars in my lands, and all shall be wealthy; secondly, i have set them free; let them suffer no more upon this earth from poverty or illness.' 511311;1392650542;jurov;and then gets invited to buda by king. poor lady bathory should have known better. 511312;1392650567;jurov;but she decided to slaughter young girls instead 511313;1392650679;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00087516 = 15.4903 BTC [-] {2} 511314;1392651166;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 305 @ 0.00083781 = 0.2555 BTC [-] {2} 511315;1392651615;deadweasel;;;later tell mircea_popescu no no, I just enjoyed their hometown cuisine with sake, nothing more. hometown cuisine is not a euphemism. 511316;1392651615;gribble;The operation succeeded. 511317;1392651678;moiety;asciilifeform: i'm going to collect it all together 511318;1392651702;asciilifeform;moiety: might wanna look for a respectable translation of the whole manuscript. 511319;1392651716;asciilifeform;i've shat out maybe half, and not especially well. 511320;1392651759;moiety;i like yours. 511321;1392651907;asciilifeform;1486. "Сказание о Дракуле-воеводе." (tale of drakula, the chieftain.) 511322;1392651923;asciilifeform;(prince? warlord? воевод doesn't translate well.) 511323;1392651975;asciilifeform;(for the uninitiated: not to be confused with the fictional 19th c. undead fellow.) 511324;1392652325;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 456 @ 0.00023101 = 0.1053 BTC [-] {3} 511325;1392652326;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0055 = 0.165 BTC 511326;1392652327;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07349999 = 0.147 BTC [+] 511327;1392652402;chetty;asciilifeform: воевод = Governor, but big chief or warlord is probably 511328;1392652691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00087568 = 13.4417 BTC [+] 511329;1392652983;moiety;chetty: so, drakula the big chief?! 511330;1392653010;moiety;or if written in Hackney, Guv 511331;1392653423;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07349999 = 2.5725 BTC [+] {2} 511332;1392653606;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-] 511333;1392653650;mike_c;i guess people either don't think JD is correct, or are just deliberately giving their money away. this guy is firing off 100 bets per minute. i mean, that is just the astoundingly worst way to bet possible. 511334;1392653667;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13685 @ 0.00087455 = 11.9682 BTC [-] {4} 511335;1392653684;mike_c;2000 btc wagered in last few hours, and not surprisingly given how he is betting, he is down 23 btc, almost right on EV. 511336;1392653728;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.06528571 = 0.457 BTC [+] {4} 511337;1392653875;asciilifeform;chetty: literally, 'he who leads us into battle.' the modern english word 'governor' has rather different connotations. 511338;1392653911;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] 511339;1392653912;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.067 = 0.134 BTC [+] 511340;1392653932;asciilifeform;e.g. modern russia fields a ballistic missile titled 'voevod.' can you picture naming a rocket 'governor' ? 511341;1392653956;ThickAsThieves;Lawsky wants to do an AMA https://twitter.com/BenLawsky/status/435244370510749698 511342;1392653972;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.123 BTC [+] 511343;1392654948;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00550239 = 0.1321 BTC [-] {6} 511344;1392655009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00087468 = 7.7409 BTC [+] {3} 511345;1392655070;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 163 @ 0.005497 = 0.896 BTC [-] 511346;1392655192;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.005497 = 0.4617 BTC [-] 511347;1392655193;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1245 = 0.249 BTC [+] {2} 511348;1392655194;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0709894 = 0.4259 BTC [+] 511349;1392655253;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.541 = 1.082 BTC [-] {2} 511350;1392655314;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.5378722 = 15.0604 BTC [-] {10} 511351;1392655375;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.53557516 = 6.9625 BTC [-] {7} 511352;1392655436;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.53462825 = 6.4155 BTC [-] {7} 511353;1392655437;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.13 = 1.3 BTC [+] 511354;1392655497;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 32 @ 0.52354646 = 16.7535 BTC [-] {8} 511355;1392655644;asciilifeform;and now for something completely different. 511356;1392655661;asciilifeform;[5760131.063368] bitcoin-msghand[23369]: segfault at 0 ip 000000000048bd21 sp 00007f55d1759800 error 4 in bitcoind[400000+303000] 511357;1392655665;bones`;no more drakula? I was enjoying that 511358;1392655668;asciilifeform;third time in the past year or so. 511359;1392655700;asciilifeform;and always at 0x48bd21, too. 511360;1392655731;asciilifeform;this being the 'reference client' 511361;1392655744;asciilifeform;on a 64-bit linux box. 511362;1392655789;asciilifeform;crash, evidently, is in 'ThreadMessageHandler' 511363;1392655790;asciilifeform;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/net.cpp 511364;1392655800;asciilifeform;gentlemen start your engines. 511365;1392655863;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 610 @ 0.0002305 = 0.1406 BTC [-] {5} 511366;1392655958;ThickAsThieves;i'm too ignorant to know what this means 511367;1392655962;ThickAsThieves;halp? 511368;1392656000;mike_c;oh no. that's a lot of globals.. 511369;1392656006;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: it means a potentially-exploitable boojum. 511370;1392656009;asciilifeform;in the reference client. 511371;1392656011;asciilifeform;(bitcoind) 511372;1392656073;asciilifeform;probably naturally-occurring crash, given as the canary coin that lives on that box is still present. 511373;1392656192;jurov;interesting. i never had such crash, and running it 24/7 too 511374;1392656212;asciilifeform;also 24/7. 511375;1392656231;asciilifeform;3 of these in the past 16 months or so. 511376;1392656243;mike_c;without having a repo, it doesn't seem hard to crash this if a null node gets in the node vector. 511377;1392656273;jurov;it is the same address despite there were updates? 511378;1392656288;jurov;or running some old version? 511379;1392656310;asciilifeform;only got dumps for the last 2 times, 511380;1392656332;mike_c;do you have symbols? I bet on this line: if (pnode->fDisconnect) 511381;1392656348;asciilifeform;version 0.8.6 511382;1392656351;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.54346587 BTC to 1`921 shares, 80347 satoshi per share 511383;1392656352;asciilifeform;no symbols. 511384;1392656412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13554 @ 0.00087358 = 11.8405 BTC [-] {2} 511385;1392656473;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 46.37370840 BTC to 1`921 shares, 2414040 satoshi per share 511386;1392656514;mike_c;you have the code though, right? you could build symbols and use them to analyze the dump 511387;1392656523;mike_c;i mean, you know, if you didn't have anything else to do 511388;1392656528;asciilifeform;haha 511389;1392656534;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00494209 = 0.4942 BTC [-] {8} 511390;1392656595;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.11149999 = 0.7805 BTC [-] {3} 511391;1392656596;mike_c;i'm not going to look at that code anymore because I will have to renege on everything i said the other day and agree that a new reference build is high priority. 511392;1392656656;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00022801 = 0.57 BTC [-] {9} 511393;1392656718;asciilifeform;if bitcoind were written in common lisp or an equivalent (?) system, i'd be looking at an exact, human-readable and resumable-on-repair (!) halted daemon right now. 511394;1392656745;asciilifeform;see http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?CommonLispConditionSystem 511395;1392656768;asciilifeform;(and http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Common_Lisp/Advanced_topics/Condition_System) 511396;1392656792;mike_c;you can edit-and-continue with some c++ debuggers. it even works 30% of the time. 511397;1392656805;asciilifeform;haha 511398;1392656836;asciilifeform;that's like welding a torn hair back together. sure, it's possible... 511399;1392657144;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 45 @ 0.16230094 = 7.3035 BTC [-] 511400;1392657205;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 511401;1392657206;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09500001 = 0.285 BTC [-] {3} 511402;1392657268;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.095 = 1.045 BTC [-] 511403;1392657327;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.16230094 = 1.2984 BTC [-] 511404;1392657328;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.095 = 0.855 BTC [-] 511405;1392657511;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.067 = 0.134 BTC [+] 511406;1392657572;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0002256 = 0.2256 BTC [-] {6} 511407;1392657632;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.095 = 0.38 BTC [+] 511408;1392657633;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 511409;1392657876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00087424 = 13.6381 BTC [+] 511410;1392657999;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 33 @ 0.16230094 = 5.3559 BTC [-] 511411;1392658120;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 866 @ 0.000225 = 0.1949 BTC [-] {2} 511412;1392658181;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02421 = 0.1453 BTC [-] {2} 511413;1392658244;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0634 = 0.951 BTC [-] {5} 511414;1392658486;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.096 = 0.288 BTC [+] {2} 511415;1392658608;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.062 = 1.116 BTC [-] {2} 511416;1392658609;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.09386249 = 1.1263 BTC [-] {5} 511417;1392658610;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 72 @ 0.16230094 = 11.6857 BTC [-] 511418;1392658730;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 37432 @ 0.00021764 = 8.1467 BTC [-] {16} 511419;1392658791;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 72 @ 0.062 = 4.464 BTC [-] 511420;1392658862;cads;ahaha 511421;1392658892;cads;hey asciilifeform, so you were translating those stories from earlier? 511422;1392658905;asciilifeform;cads: yeah 511423;1392658913;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0735 = 1.1025 BTC [+] 511424;1392658925;cads;Where from? They were pretty good. 511425;1392658942;cads;It wasn't romanin, was it? 511426;1392658946;asciilifeform;nope 511427;1392658954;cads;darn 511428;1392658956;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#511321 511429;1392658961;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 511430;1392658971;asciilifeform;(scroll up for 2 more.) 511431;1392659096;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9600 @ 0.00021515 = 2.0654 BTC [-] {2} 511432;1392659218;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 600 @ 0.00020689 = 0.1241 BTC [-] {5} 511433;1392659271;cads;haha, nice 511434;1392659291;cads;hey, so you guys think mt gox has earned too many strikes to keep playing? 511435;1392659309;cads;or has it just fallen into second place 511436;1392659341;mike_c;goxbux are worth less than 0.5 btc now.. 511437;1392659401;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9827 @ 0.00019425 = 1.9089 BTC [-] {10} 511438;1392659509;cads;what do you mean, it seems like if you had 300 dollars in a gox account now you could buy coin and jump out 511439;1392659568;ThickAsThieves;except you cant 511440;1392659586;cads;oh, right, that's what 'halted withdrawals' means 511441;1392659588;ThickAsThieves;if you are maybe lucky you can maybe jump out on Thursday 511442;1392659589;cads;woo 511443;1392659645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.00087389 = 16.1233 BTC [-] 511444;1392659650;cads;this is like a full speed freight train that's been magically teleported 2 miles up into the sky 511445;1392659661;cads;above a residential area :) 511446;1392659697;cads;hurling wreckage 511447;1392659767;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.092 = 0.276 BTC [-] 511448;1392659950;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.0001906 = 1.906 BTC [-] {3} 511449;1392660072;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.064 = 0.384 BTC [+] 511450;1392660073;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0965 = 0.193 BTC [+] {2} 511451;1392660266;asciilifeform;does anyone here have more than a 'purely zoological' interest in what happens to gox? 511452;1392660284;asciilifeform;because i sure don't. 511453;1392660315;mike_c;i think we all do in the same way we had an interest in SR failing. good for btc. 511454;1392660348;asciilifeform;one chump magnet dies, another takes its place. 511455;1392660352;asciilifeform;or ten others. 511456;1392660353;deadweasel;the dodo told everyone it could fly, when in fact it had never even sold a magic card... 511457;1392660379;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.064 = 0.128 BTC [+] 511458;1392660391;jurov;you think anyone here will admit it has something there? 511459;1392660446;asciilifeform;i'll extend mp's thesis and conjecture that it died from, rather than in spite, of, the mountain of free advertising in u.s. mouthpiece media 'mtgox, the largest exchange, today, ... etc' 511460;1392660506;asciilifeform;do herds of chumps bring into existence chumpmeisters, or the other way around? 511461;1392660532;mike_c;well, it died from incompetence. herds of chumps is the only reason we are talking about them. 511462;1392660618;jurov;does anyone have a competence growing btc/fiat exchange 511463;1392660632;jurov;from 0 to 100000 users in few years? 511464;1392660664;jurov;i guess much better people than karpeles would get burned 511465;1392660678;asciilifeform;when you get 100,000 users, does satan appear before you and command you to 'take the exchange fractional' ? 511466;1392660717;jurov;they would still have to deal with banks. and they can be worse than satan. 511467;1392660747;asciilifeform;hence the question of whether an honest btc/fiat exchange is possible even in principle, without the cooperation of a sovereign. 511468;1392660791;mike_c;jurov, 0 -> 100k in a few years isn't that hard with appropriate resources (which they had) 511469;1392660825;mike_c;well, they had monetary resources. not talent resources. 511470;1392660827;asciilifeform;i think the implication might have been that 100k users turns you into a 'person of interest' for the vultures 511471;1392660834;asciilifeform;and then 'you can also have problems.' 511472;1392660840;jurov;dunno if sovereign changes anything. vatican supposedly has banned all electronic money transfers 511473;1392660883;jurov;*is banned from 511474;1392660912;wao-ender;is it? v0v, didnt know 511475;1392660932;jurov;nto even tourists can use ATMs there last time i heard 511476;1392660987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.098 = 0.196 BTC [+] 511477;1392660988;mike_c;second market is legally & reliably exchanging bitcoin. who needs an exchange for HFT quants? nobody. 511478;1392661020;jurov;what is second market? 511479;1392661051;mike_c;http://www.bitcointrust.co/ 511480;1392661052;wao-ender;jurov: https://www.secondmarket.com/company/bitcoin-investment-trust 511481;1392661056;ThickAsThieves;https://www.secondmarket.com/ 511482;1392661059;ThickAsThieves;bleh 511483;1392661072;ozbot;SecondMarket - Simplified Transactions for Private Companies and Funds. 511484;1392661078;asciilifeform;mike_c: trololol 511485;1392661114;mike_c;what? you disagree? 511486;1392661162;jurov;that does not look like something for retail 511487;1392661170;mike_c;it's not. $25k minimum. 511488;1392661269;copumpkin;well 511489;1392661272;copumpkin;and accredited investor 511490;1392661284;copumpkin;which is uncommon 511491;1392661292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4931 @ 0.00087455 = 4.3124 BTC [+] {2} 511492;1392661297;copumpkin;also, those fees are ridiculous 511493;1392661315;mike_c;as opposed to gox's "we keep your bitcoin" fee :) 511494;1392661329;copumpkin;no, as opposed to buy your own coins and sit on them 511495;1392661332;jurov;ok, but we were talking about building exchange for 100k chumps 511496;1392661333;copumpkin;and pay no fees 511497;1392661345;copumpkin;and also, lots of people have $25k who aren't accredited investors 511498;1392661366;mike_c;well, i guess i'm saying an exchange defined as "hft enabled" is not necessary. just a place to buy/sell. 511499;1392661389;asciilifeform;the other crap aside, a service where you do not get to take btc 'home' at the end of the day ought not to be called a btc exchange. 511500;1392661391;asciilifeform;call it something else. 511501;1392661414;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.09384531 = 1.22 BTC [+] {6} 511502;1392661420;mircea_popescu;A bug in Google's Chrome web browser enables malicious websites to activate your microphone and spy on conversations that happen next to your computer, even after you've left the website. 511503;1392661443;mircea_popescu;o yeah, using a browser made by a search engine was such a brilliant idea. 511504;1392661450;asciilifeform;lol 511505;1392661493;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: little bug closer to home: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#511355 511506;1392661618;asciilifeform;when using a machine with hardwired cameras/microcrophones/anal probes, always smile and speak very politely. 511507;1392661619;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform voievode, whats wrong with that ? 511508;1392661630;mircea_popescu;gotta allow at least some of the ingredients' flavour into the finished dish. 511509;1392661642;asciilifeform;haha 511510;1392661668;mircea_popescu;mike_c there's always been (since inception) a set of people who believed it is thus exploitable. 511511;1392661698;mircea_popescu;whether this is like the set who still believes the ufos have landed or moreover like the set that does government's banking is hard to say 511512;1392661703;mike_c;well, this guy just spent 50 btc looking. he hasn't found it yet :) 511513;1392661721;asciilifeform;btc can be sent to look for vulns on its own? that's news to me. 511514;1392661723;asciilifeform;had no idea. 511515;1392661728;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually that'd be duke, dux in the latin space. 511516;1392661739;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: exactly. 511517;1392661760;asciilifeform;perhaps btc also knows how to bake cakes. 511518;1392661773;mike_c;spent. with a P. 511519;1392661780;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.0735 = 1.323 BTC [+] 511520;1392661797;asciilifeform;it is very easy to spend MAXINT coin, dollars, walnuts, etc. with no result. 511521;1392661802;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/435481204867866624 :D 511522;1392661861;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you got some old/bad libraries. i have a reference running since 2011 that never crashed. 511523;1392661902;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.099 = 0.198 BTC [+] 511524;1392661903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7855 @ 0.00087531 = 6.8756 BTC [+] {2} 511525;1392661907;mircea_popescu;lol @mike_c . head in sand eh ? 511526;1392661915;mike_c;buried. 511527;1392661923;asciilifeform;this is a box devoted to running the 'current' branch. 511528;1392661927;asciilifeform;with updated libs, etc. 511529;1392661946;mircea_popescu;cads> or has it just fallen into second place << the "it may continue in 2nd place" was april 2013. 511530;1392661963;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 96 @ 0.00516082 = 0.4954 BTC [-] {10} 511531;1392661964;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.099 = 0.297 BTC [+] 511532;1392661974;mircea_popescu; or ten others. << ten are better than one. like phone numbers. 511533;1392662021;kakobrekla;as long as its over mininum 511534;1392662048;mircea_popescu;mike_c> (which they had) << this is arguyable. the thing run in the red for most of its lifetime, and in a dubious field. they always had trouble finding investors, and the investors they did find were mostly of the imbecile sort. if you want i can dig up the trilema discussion re investors and why they suck, but you'll end up with more shit to translate as a result. 511535;1392662085;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3946 @ 0.00087389 = 3.4484 BTC [-] 511536;1392662085;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00510478 = 0.2042 BTC [-] {2} 511537;1392662140;mike_c;it just doesn't take that much capital to scale to 100k. one good engineer is sufficient given the timeframe. 511538;1392662153;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i never heard of anyone running a current branch of anything that didn't crash. 511539;1392662167;mircea_popescu;what drakula'd do to the so called "programmers' doing this is left as an exercise to the current voievodes. 511540;1392662209;mircea_popescu;mike_c yeah, just like linux is sufficient for hijacking nuclear warheads in flight. 511541;1392662210;asciilifeform;imho gilged stake is too good for these folks. 511542;1392662241;mircea_popescu;maybe spiked stake. 511543;1392662264;mircea_popescu;http://www.polythene-sheeting-and-tarpaulins.com/acatalog/5inchbarb.jpg 511544;1392662280;asciilifeform;by some accounts, spikes (well, splinters) were considered a mercy, and used in extenuating circumstances, while grease on a smooth stake was used in aggravating ones. 511545;1392662296;asciilifeform;(unfortunately lack the 'citation needed' here) 511546;1392662302;mircea_popescu;this is possibly true. 511547;1392662327;asciilifeform;i suggest 'teflon' for the case at hand. 511548;1392662339;mircea_popescu;while i slept i dreamt about these two womenz having an argument which ended by leaving the other tied to a tree in the wild somewhere with her rectum stretch-filled with fresh mud. 511549;1392662341;asciilifeform;bonus of easier cleaning 511550;1392662349;mircea_popescu;the reasoning being that the shit'll dry and that's that. 511551;1392662390;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.0048923 = 0.2446 BTC [-] {4} 511552;1392662451;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.064 = 0.128 BTC [+] 511553;1392662539;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if i recall, one of danzig baldaev's comics had this exact scene in it. 511554;1392662596;mircea_popescu;it did ? 511555;1392662605;asciilifeform;(he is often said to have spiced things up a bit. so take with a grain of salt.) 511556;1392662609;mircea_popescu;mebbe i should check out this thing then 511557;1392662634;asciilifeform;https://www.google.com/search?q=danzig+baldaev&source=lnms&tbm=isch 511558;1392662649;asciilifeform;if anybody has a warez copy of the whole 130+ set, drop it here. 511559;1392662688;mircea_popescu;da fuck is lnms and isch btw ? google couldn't just put a ?t=pix or some shit like normal people. 511560;1392662695;mircea_popescu;o no. gotta be isch and derpyderp and etc. 511561;1392662718;mircea_popescu;o wait this is the camp guard that documented the tattoos is he ? 511562;1392662724;asciilifeform;not only tattoos 511563;1392662730;asciilifeform;a real hieronymous bosch, this fellow. 511564;1392662743;mircea_popescu;http://observatory.designobserver.com/media/images/Pic4_women.jpg 511565;1392662750;mircea_popescu;look at that, the maddona-whore complex, in russian. 511566;1392662755;asciilifeform;SOP. 511567;1392662756;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 318 @ 0.00083559 = 0.2657 BTC [-] 511568;1392662761;mircea_popescu;this has got to be marginal, is it ? 511569;1392662830;asciilifeform;http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_TnAcMqiBxug/TNrnuS_wugI/AAAAAAAAWnU/VA7gQGvFpGc/s1600/File0007.jpg 511570;1392662849;asciilifeform;'i am an english, french, american, japanese, italian, german, and some other kind of spy...' 511571;1392662881;mircea_popescu;heh. 511572;1392662903;asciilifeform;http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61ZVAeJ9qUL.jpg 511573;1392662905;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform re the women specifically, is that nonsense a mainstream representation afayk ? 511574;1392662913;mircea_popescu;seems to me more like an import. 511575;1392662914;asciilifeform;depends, 'mainstream' 511576;1392662918;mircea_popescu;myeah. 511577;1392662924;asciilifeform;'the slaying by a convict of a 'bullock' during an escape from camp.' 511578;1392662989;asciilifeform;'convicts, during escapes from far nothern camps of gulag lured with them (due to the impossibility of gathering adequate provisions while imprisoned) other inmates, who would be killed en route. such victims of cannibalism were known in convict argot as 'bullocks.' how many 'bullocks' were eaten up, is unknown.' 511579;1392663066;mircea_popescu;more interesting, how many troops of bullocks successfully took over the escape and ate the smartasses. 511580;1392663088;asciilifeform;never know who the bullock is until, well, bullock time 511581;1392663091;mircea_popescu;because without a 50-50 distribution cads mat has damned serious problems enacting his imagined polity into reality. 511582;1392663114;mircea_popescu;mat stands, of course, for may. rather than cunt. 511583;1392663193;mircea_popescu;i wonder if the old "each table has a sucker or it wouldn't be a table. if you don't know who then well..." into a "each escape has its bullocks, and upon the eating of the first one you'll know whether you count with him by whether you're invited to dine." 511584;1392663205;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: found your dream's woman. (warning to folks with weak nerves - medieval/inquisitory!) http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WPS03cv5PlA/T6QfShY0W6I/AAAAAAAABAE/Ekx87gH6pXA/s1600/BaldaevGulag20_.jpg 511585;1392663230;mircea_popescu;not so by an ymeans. 511586;1392663247;mircea_popescu;atm trying to discern if indeed the left side girl in the earlier pic is or only resembles. 511587;1392663512;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's the caption say ? my russian is too sucky. 511588;1392663603;asciilifeform;which one? 511589;1392663617;asciilifeform;ant girl? 511590;1392663663;mircea_popescu;yeah 511591;1392663768;asciilifeform;'some demented people in gulag during the years of the cult, for their amusement, would select women from the contigent of 'enemies of the people' and for 'some sin' sit them down upon anthills.' bottom: 'young women who refused to become lovers of their executioners in gulag would be sat upon anthills, tied to trees, 'for the mosquitoes and ants.' sometimes a pipe would be inserted, made from a reed or a birc 511592;1392663768;asciilifeform;h 'flute', a rolled up tube for the ease of entry of ants. to the legs would be tied a 'spreader stick.' often the executioners were helped by female 'vor' ['thief-in-law'] inmates.' 511593;1392663805;asciilifeform;baldaev got quite a lot of shit for these, many folks insisted that he simply drew his fantasies (during his employment as a prison guard) 511594;1392663848;asciilifeform;the compendium is now a best-seller. 511595;1392663851;asciilifeform;incl. in american bookstores. 511596;1392663900;mircea_popescu;oic 511597;1392663949;mircea_popescu;many folks = the anthropologically challenged. 511598;1392663993;asciilifeform;some scenes are a little bit stretching historical credibility, like this slave ship loading: http://cs409231.vk.me/v409231196/594d/FWKahJoz4aM.jpg 511599;1392663998;mircea_popescu;врагов enemies rather than devils 511600;1392664044;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually, the allies used that principle in places during the dunkirk rescue. 511601;1392664059;mircea_popescu;wild times. 511602;1392664072;asciilifeform;caption notes that 'nets were eventually replaced with cages holding fifty men, due to high rates of trauma.' 511603;1392664211;mircea_popescu;when it's a case of "got five hours to get as many men on the boat as you can, and whoever's left gets to meet herr drakula"... trauma starts looking like cake. 511604;1392664259;Apocalyptic;for anyone interested the ATC ticker is up @ https://www.x-bt.com/api/atcbtc/get_ticker 511605;1392664301;asciilifeform;here, author is almost certainly satisfying his own desires: http://actualhistory.ru/app/var/pub/files/86/41776_image_large.jpg 511606;1392664322;asciilifeform;(i could translate caption but it's more or less self-explanatory) 511607;1392664329;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic add some vwap stuff to it ? 511608;1392664352;kakobrekla;and vol 511609;1392664354;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, added on my todo list 511610;1392664363;asciilifeform;rectomurine cryptoanalysis. 511611;1392664376;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol, momsoup ? 511612;1392664402;mircea_popescu;so why "almost certainly" ? 511613;1392664404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00087627 = 11.4353 BTC [+] {3} 511614;1392664425;asciilifeform;'in one cellar...' '...tire pump, soldering iron, bottle, ... rat, bucket on hotplate.' 511615;1392664446;mircea_popescu;the objection being that such a diverse collection of items could not be found in the same one cellar ? 511616;1392664465;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.062 = 0.372 BTC [-] 511617;1392664540;asciilifeform;no serious objection on my part, just that the author has a reputation as a teller of embellished tales. 511618;1392664548;asciilifeform;a herodotus of sorts. 511619;1392664665;mircea_popescu;but was this reputation been built by reddit or by vory. 511620;1392664695;asciilifeform;hard to say. plenty of folks wrote that 'i did time, saw no such things' 511621;1392664697;asciilifeform;as you might expect. 511622;1392664702;mircea_popescu;right. 511623;1392664715;mircea_popescu;many women could say "i've been around the block, there's no mp" 511624;1392664723;mircea_popescu;especially to their mothers. 511625;1392664790;asciilifeform;many arguments were against the 'political' slant of the book, rather than the facts. 'some english chick is sitting on a rat pot right now, but where's the book, hah.' 511626;1392664809;mircea_popescu;i doubt she is, tbh. 511627;1392664814;mircea_popescu;the main problem of the west is impotence. 511628;1392664834;mircea_popescu;what was cat again ? thief ? 511629;1392664840;asciilifeform;recidivist. 511630;1392664873;asciilifeform;russian blogger, circa '04: 'have you ever beaten a man? had you done so, you would know that it is hard work. no less arduous than turning a meat-grinder. how often do you wake up to the urge to crank a meat-grinder? every day?' 511631;1392664878;mircea_popescu;"many english girls will have their cute recidivist tattoos fed to them should they ever end up in kresty 511632;1392664890;punkman;cat is thief, goat is snitch 511633;1392664906;mircea_popescu;punkman there's some ethnic and geographic variation to it. 511634;1392664914;asciilifeform;historians divide the tats into two basic types, 'voluntary' and 'forcible.' 511635;1392664940;punkman;well yeah, you wouldn't tattoo snitch on your forehead 511636;1392664974;asciilifeform;ex. of the latter: a devil stoking a furnace (drawn around actual arse, it being the furnace) 511637;1392664984;punkman;heh 511638;1392665013;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 30 @ 0.0243 = 0.729 BTC [+] 511639;1392665034;asciilifeform;anyone interested in this subject can find all the reading material he wishes. 511640;1392665087;punkman;I got a couple books with tattoos, these russian books seem like a good addition 511641;1392665127;asciilifeform;by some accounts, the old traditions have died, and the days when a man would be severely punished for an 'unearned' tattoo are gone. 511642;1392665129;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform re the meatgrinder thing ; it's well documented that people doing time get bored. 511643;1392665141;asciilifeform;right 511644;1392665142;mircea_popescu;if you had the option of running on a stairmaster or turning the meat grinder, what'd you take ? 511645;1392665215;mircea_popescu;and incidentally : http://www.velona.com/about/chris3.html 511646;1392665229;asciilifeform;the man i quoted re: the meatgrinder was employed as a detective embedded in a prison, in what was then leningrad. he had an interesting take: much of what the rubes think of as 'the cruelty' was simply administration of justice among the convicts 511647;1392665235;asciilifeform;for real, as well as imagines, slights. 511648;1392665270;mircea_popescu;this would be true. 511649;1392665277;mircea_popescu;as best one can discern anyway. 511650;1392665340;asciilifeform;the most mortal sin was, as one might expect, snitching, followed by welching on debts. 511651;1392665357;mircea_popescu;http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iXSddXHNoPg/TbxlRoB9dTI/AAAAAAAAAHk/CT0fRQTE0fo/s1600/lifeingulag-53%255B1%255D.jpg 511652;1392665366;mircea_popescu;i'd say that's the most improbable of the lot, actually. 511653;1392665385;asciilifeform;how's that 511654;1392665394;mircea_popescu;completely contradicts all notions of ritual purity. they'd have cut his head outside and behind 511655;1392665402;mircea_popescu;(ie, not by the door, by the opposite wall) 511656;1392665424;asciilifeform;this one is actually plausible. may be taking place in a barrack belonging to 'lower order' convicts 511657;1392665429;asciilifeform;(that is, 'political' types) 511658;1392665434;asciilifeform;cleanup left for them. 511659;1392665440;mircea_popescu;or like that i guess. 511660;1392665445;mircea_popescu;tho the people look comfortable 511661;1392665449;mircea_popescu;ie, not like they're visiting. 511662;1392665457;asciilifeform;true. 511663;1392665474;mircea_popescu;it's little things like that that grate. otherwise arguing against the message... 511664;1392665477;mircea_popescu;hard tack. 511665;1392665491;mircea_popescu;http://www.freebook.com.br/Imagens/produtos/28/9780955006128/9780955006128_Detalhes1.jpg < wtf is the fucking thinking here. 511666;1392665503;mircea_popescu;i'll show you i'm a convicted whore but hide my nipples and wear a slip! 511667;1392665522;asciilifeform;http://img15.nnm.me/7/b/8/5/d/8d654b1e70e9d5e656fcfb5dfbf.jpg 511668;1392665571;asciilifeform;'when we clean out his starfish, quickly he'll remember how he undermined soviet power and the party in his research institute with his cybernetics, this scoundrel...' 511669;1392665582;mircea_popescu;lol 511670;1392665587;asciilifeform;this one's pushing it a bit 511671;1392665598;mircea_popescu;i agree. 511672;1392665601;asciilifeform;not because of the red hot poker, either. 511673;1392665619;mircea_popescu;this seems more like prospective than descriptive 511674;1392665624;mircea_popescu;if i may be pardoned the pun 511675;1392665650;asciilifeform;incidentally, few modern armchair generals seem to know that the forbidden 'cybernetics' had nothing to do with the construction of calculating machines 511676;1392665681;asciilifeform;but rather the glass bead game pushed by half-educated fans of norbert wiener & co. at the time. 511677;1392665768;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it COULD have had something to do with calculating machines 511678;1392665769;mircea_popescu;or with breaking up the rain pattern 511679;1392665773;mircea_popescu;or with giving stalin colics. 511680;1392665791;asciilifeform;we may yet live to see boschean marvels like this one drawn about modern folks. 511681;1392665806;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.0735 = 1.6905 BTC [+] 511682;1392665807;asciilifeform;and sold in 'history for kidz' sections of trendoid bookstores. 511683;1392665835;asciilifeform;where i in fact saw baldaev. 511684;1392665867;mircea_popescu;sukas are modern, certainly. 511685;1392665873;mircea_popescu;when's your modernity start, last week ?! 511686;1392665879;asciilifeform;timeless. 511687;1392665927;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but as you observed, the age of the impotent. whose doings perhaps will not make for good pictures. 511688;1392665983;mircea_popescu;impotence never lasts. 511689;1392665988;mircea_popescu;it's a self-limiting condition. 511690;1392666034;mircea_popescu;there's only so much occupy bs the girls can put up with before eviscerating the doofus troop with their bare hands. 511691;1392666169;asciilifeform;then, pictures. 511692;1392666172;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0735 = 0.735 BTC [+] 511693;1392666173;asciilifeform;but not before. 511694;1392666176;mircea_popescu;true, that. 511695;1392666194;mircea_popescu;i would guess your gb worth of footage is by and large worthless. curb your enthusiasm level. 511696;1392666204;asciilifeform;it certianly is. 511697;1392666215;asciilifeform;hence, not posted anywhere. 511698;1392666232;mircea_popescu;myeah. 511699;1392666262;Mats_cd03;dongs 511700;1392666293;mircea_popescu;then again : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/《喜溢秋庭图》静贵妃部分.jpg 511701;1392666302;mircea_popescu;derpage abounds in history. 511702;1392666386;mircea_popescu;and from the same period : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/《玫贵妃春贵人行乐图》.jpg 511703;1392666412;mircea_popescu;who the fuck would want two concubines dressed in exactly the same cut out of slightly different colored material but otherwise same textile, 511704;1392666420;mircea_popescu;with identical earrings outside of minor variations 511705;1392666428;mircea_popescu;and equally stupid hats. 511706;1392666441;mircea_popescu;clearly there's no cock involved in this entire thing at any juncture. 511707;1392666488;asciilifeform;in an account of turkish concubines, a venetian envoy noted that cucumbers were served to them pre-sliced... 511708;1392666531;Mats_cd03;thats my fetish 511709;1392666534;mircea_popescu;well yeah... ? 511710;1392666547;mircea_popescu;i had lunch today, the salad had cucumbers, they were pre sliced 511711;1392666573;asciilifeform;well, noted specifically that they were permitted through the gate only upon slicing. 511712;1392666604;mircea_popescu;oh 511713;1392666626;mircea_popescu;do you suppose the concern was they may enjoy them through both ends of the digestive canal 511714;1392666644;mircea_popescu;or that they may contraband unapproved earrings in them, much to the anger and envy of all the other bored womenz ? 511715;1392666646;asciilifeform;presumably 511716;1392666721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6047 @ 0.00087661 = 5.3009 BTC [+] {2} 511717;1392667288;mircea_popescu;incidentally, how many people know of the war debt carusel in the context of the 1929 crisis ? 511718;1392667314;mircea_popescu;as in, all through the war the british were sucking captial out of the us, first in the form of cashing out their massive investments, then in the shape of borrowing. 511719;1392667334;mircea_popescu;this was being repaid after the war, principally from german reparations, which principally consisted of us loans to germany. 511720;1392667358;mircea_popescu;the entire thing ended in the 30s as perhaps the first major fiasco of the government-owned financial system. 511721;1392667367;asciilifeform;arse-mouth system. 511722;1392667373;asciilifeform;i though everybody knew. 511723;1392667377;asciilifeform;*thought 511724;1392667391;mircea_popescu;well, that's the problem with ww1, for the first time in history governments became a majority of the gdp, 511725;1392667402;mircea_popescu;basically the bolsheviks won anyway. 511726;1392667436;mircea_popescu;but anyway, we're talking 10 to 20 1930 bn dollars worth here. 511727;1392667453;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.54999982 = 1.65 BTC [+] {3} 511728;1392667514;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.09999995 = 3 BTC [+] {5} 511729;1392667515;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5499999 BTC [+] 511730;1392667530;mircea_popescu;that'd be roughly 30 to 50 or so thousand tons of gold, at the time 511731;1392667575;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00087393 = 1.0487 BTC [-] 511732;1392667581;asciilifeform;ww1 zapped the wealth, the rest, funny bookkeeping to cover for it 511733;1392667617;mircea_popescu;i wonder if germany is/will be told "fu, we're keeping the gold cause ww1" 511734;1392667622;asciilifeform;(not like they could've brought it back) 511735;1392667641;asciilifeform;gold for safekeeping, haha 511736;1392667653;asciilifeform;stalin, during famous party plenum, re: spanish civil war gold: 511737;1392667666;asciilifeform;'these fellows won't see it again like they won't see their ears [without mirror].] 511738;1392667894;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform romania sent about a billion trillion tons of gold and shit back when russia was run by the tsar (and close ally / relative of the romanian king) 511739;1392667906;mircea_popescu;quoty Kosighin "what gold ? we have never heard of such a gold" 511740;1392667921;mircea_popescu;quoth birladeanu "here's in the soviet archives lenin recorded speaking of it" 511741;1392667931;mircea_popescu;"o... hm.... uhhhh" 511742;1392667940;mircea_popescu;the next day "clearly, you misunderstood something" 511743;1392667947;mircea_popescu;"the whites took it" 511744;1392668273;mircea_popescu;http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2023140,00.html < economic crisis starts sort-of just as germany is done paying its 1953-reinstated, ww1 bonds. 511745;1392668281;ozbot;How Germany Ended Its World War I Reparations Payments - TIME 511746;1392668306;mike_c;more JD stats you are all dying to know: ROI on money invested last July and left alone since then: 14.5% 511747;1392668307;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.16230094 = 1.9476 BTC [-] 511748;1392668323;jurov;lol and did you hear what italy just did? 511749;1392668334;mircea_popescu;jurov ayup. 511750;1392668343;mircea_popescu;mike_c whoa. 511751;1392668358;kakobrekla;is not bad 511752;1392668359;jurov;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-16/money-launderer-until-proven-innocent-italy-imposes-20-tax-withholding-all-inbound-m 511753;1392668366;mircea_popescu;that is actually the most suspicious thing from all you've dug up so far. 511754;1392668370;mike_c;hehe 511755;1392668372;asciilifeform;why not 100%. 511756;1392668374;ozbot;"Money Launderer Until Proven Innocent" - Italy Imposes 20% Tax Withholding On All Inbound Money Tra 511757;1392668383;jurov;but it needs better source, it's based only on google translate 511758;1392668384;kakobrekla;why is it suspect 511759;1392668397;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla because it matches other numbers 511760;1392668398;asciilifeform;what's the laffer curve for dekulakization anyway. 511761;1392668422;kakobrekla;ah you are trolling. 511762;1392668429;mircea_popescu;i r srs. 511763;1392668443;mike_c;that's an exclusive. nobody else haz that data 511764;1392668449;davout;greetings asseteers 511765;1392668454;kakobrekla;lol 511766;1392668473;mircea_popescu;heya davoutee 511767;1392668478;kakobrekla;mike_c exclusive is what asseteers are about, we exclude. 511768;1392668489;mike_c;except we publish the logs. gotta fix that. 511769;1392668497;kakobrekla;myea 511770;1392668548;mircea_popescu;nah, gotta keep publishing the logs to be just like the paris club or w/e. 511771;1392668588;kakobrekla;fuck the logs, carpe diem, sieze the day, miss it, fuck you. 511772;1392668612;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1005 BTC [+] 511773;1392668613;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.06742857 = 0.472 BTC [+] {5} 511774;1392668637;mircea_popescu;In 1924, an American banker named Charles Dawes outlined what came to be known as the Dawes Plan a new reparations agreement under which U.S. banks such as J.P. Morgan issued bonds to private investors on behalf of Germany, which agreed to pay them back when the money became due. Dawes won the 1925 Nobel Peace Prize for his work on this plan. But when the first batch of bonds came due in 1928, Germany again default 511775;1392668637;mircea_popescu;ed. So in June 1929, a new plan was enacted, floating more U.S.-backed bonds and reducing Germany's payments to $28 billion paid out over 59 years. 511776;1392668649;r3wt;How do i join the WOT 511777;1392668657;mircea_popescu;totally worth a nobel prize for going "hey guise, wouldn't it be better if we ipo that shit ???" 511778;1392668659;r3wt;for ATC 511779;1392668663;mircea_popescu;r3wt hi there. 511780;1392668668;mircea_popescu;;;help 511781;1392668668;gribble;The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/ 511782;1392668681;jurov;http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Using_bitcoin-otc 511783;1392668682;ozbot;Using bitcoin-otc - bitcoin-otc wiki 511784;1392668703;jurov;^ r3wt 511785;1392668706;mircea_popescu;that prolly better. 511786;1392668732;kakobrekla;and if that is too much you can noob it out with ;;google bitcoin otc youtube 511787;1392668734;kakobrekla;or some shit 511788;1392668734;r3wt;jurov: thank you much my friend 511789;1392668769;r3wt;i was invited to join the WOT, i had never heard of it before now 511790;1392668778;mircea_popescu;gotta be in the wot. 511791;1392668782;r3wt;i was told to come here 511792;1392668797;mircea_popescu;which nobel prize story inspires me. shouldn't we have a yearly prize of some sort for some thing ? 511793;1392668809;kakobrekla;you came to the right church. 511794;1392668817;mircea_popescu;the #bitcoin-assets economic prize of economy ? 511795;1392668820;Apocalyptic;r3wt, I hear some people are waiting 2 days, maybe even more for withdrawals from openex, what's wrong ? 511796;1392668853;davout;kakobrekla: mass is in french 511797;1392668872;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu i think you would have hard time finding the nominees 511798;1392668892;asciilifeform;if people want to hand out prizes for whatever, nothing's stopping them? 511799;1392668907;r3wt;Nothings wrong. i registered the llc and some of the staff didn't want to abide by the legal requirements and left. i've been afk, so withdrawals tend to pile up with no one to confirm them 511800;1392668909;benkay;14.5% on jd investments eh? 511801;1392668912;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kakobrekla no but hear me out : 511802;1392668915;r3wt;other than Dogecoin everything is good 511803;1392668936;mircea_popescu;we collect a pot by donation, whoever wants to contribute. then the pot is on a fixed date distributed to one recipient. 511804;1392668936;mike_c;benkay: yeah. not bad for 7 months. 511805;1392668946;r3wt;but i'm not saying its not my fault because it sort of all falls on me in the end 511806;1392668952;mircea_popescu;all we need is to agree on some gross criteria, then people construct a nominee list and all contributors vote on it 511807;1392668956;mircea_popescu;proportional to their contribution. 511808;1392668959;r3wt;just try to understand where i'm coming from if you can 511809;1392668959;mircea_popescu;open source nobel prize. 511810;1392668962;mike_c;wouldn't that recipient have already amassed quite a sum by doing whatever he won the prize for? 511811;1392668976;mike_c;we're not exactly acadmeics here 511812;1392668986;mircea_popescu;r3wt well being here works wonders to defuse such tension. 511813;1392668988;mike_c;hehe. academics 511814;1392668989;mircea_popescu;otherwise people get antsy 511815;1392668998;mircea_popescu;mike_c you say that like it's a bad thing. 511816;1392669000;r3wt;we do have something very cool in the works. i'm sure no one will see it coming either. 511817;1392669018;mike_c;i don't! point being that the prize would be dwarfed by the recipients already worthy rewards from winning in the marketplace. 511818;1392669028;mod6;are you from openex, r3wt? 511819;1392669042;r3wt;mod6: yes sir 511820;1392669048;mircea_popescu;this is supposed to work so as to humble the nobel idiocy, not necessarily as to make the recipient rich. 511821;1392669050;mod6;ahh ok. ima pm u. 511822;1392669055;r3wt;you can tell me why im here? 511823;1392669063;mircea_popescu;after all, someone winning the nobel prize for actual merit is already independently well paid anyway. 511824;1392669081;mircea_popescu;take obama, he's not rich because he melted down the peace gold medal, he's rich because he bleed dry a quarter billion idiots. 511825;1392669093;mike_c;and he writes good books 511826;1392669101;mircea_popescu;definitely. 511827;1392669117;mircea_popescu;i don't remember seeing such penmanship since britney spears bio 511828;1392669124;mircea_popescu;aptly titled "stakes" 511829;1392669137;Mats_cd03;merr 511830;1392669172;mircea_popescu;so looking in the deep of the deepest of your soul!! and such, what would be the criteria one'd actually meet you'd respect 511831;1392669177;mircea_popescu;for their economics contributions. 511832;1392669222;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+] 511833;1392669273;kakobrekla;if anyone can vote to according to their btc deposit weight then we can end up with completely different game where mp always wins. 511834;1392669288;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't deposit so much as to fuck things up 511835;1392669304;kakobrekla;how much is that much? 511836;1392669319;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i'm definitely supporting this but more like a matching thing. 511837;1392669341;mircea_popescu;what's even reasonable ? less than a third i guess 511838;1392669343;jurov;what if someone makes 51% attack and takes the pot? 511839;1392669344;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5257 @ 0.0002149 = 1.1297 BTC [+] {6} 511840;1392669352;mircea_popescu;i'll just deposit moar and fuck them ? 511841;1392669356;kakobrekla;that is what i was saying 511842;1392669373;mircea_popescu;i think it's defensible tbh. 511843;1392669389;mircea_popescu;suppose you have to be in our wot to contribute. 511844;1392669404;mircea_popescu;w don't want any random tard's calls and notions anyway. 511845;1392669405;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2800 @ 0.00021498 = 0.6019 BTC [+] {4} 511846;1392669406;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [-] 511847;1392669465;kakobrekla;given your confidence i could rob you of all your btc in that way if i gather > than you 511848;1392669466;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.098 = 0.686 BTC [-] 511849;1392669501;mircea_popescu;well obviously we can't let this run as a dollar auction. 511850;1392669530;mircea_popescu;it has to be a gentleman thing. 511851;1392669542;mircea_popescu;which is kind-of the point of it in the first place anyway. 511852;1392669558;asciilifeform;prize for what, again? 511853;1392669561;kakobrekla;ok can you give me 5 possible candidates for this ? i cant think of two. 511854;1392669588;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.00021499 = 0.1505 BTC [+] 511855;1392669589;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "for outstanding contributions in the field of economics" 511856;1392669604;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i dunno, nick szabo. 511857;1392669605;Mats_cd03;lol... 511858;1392669617;mircea_popescu;just to pull out of my ass. 511859;1392669678;asciilifeform;is herr szabo in the wot? 511860;1392669678;mircea_popescu;there's hundreds to pick from, and none of them EVER make it on the libertard-run nobel rolls 511861;1392669688;mircea_popescu;because those are too busy giving the prize to retarded monkeys. 511862;1392669697;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the recipient wouldn't have to be in the wot, 511863;1392669708;mircea_popescu;the sponsors (ie, members of the academy) would have to be. 511864;1392669714;asciilifeform;you'd need an equally-reliable way to pin a public key on him 511865;1392669725;mircea_popescu;he can post an address on his blog. 511866;1392669728;asciilifeform;('do business with keys' formula) 511867;1392669741;mircea_popescu;;;google nick szabo gpg fingerprint 511868;1392669741;gribble;Cryptome listings january 7, 2014 - SlideShare: ; Cryptout - Cryptome: ; Cryptome - Mirror: 511869;1392669778;mircea_popescu;i guess not. 511870;1392669869;mircea_popescu;definitely herbi or mike_c could get one if they keep with their blogs. 511871;1392669873;asciilifeform;hundreds to pick from? 511872;1392669882;mircea_popescu;what's to keep them from it ? let the entire rest of the world learn what it has to do in the nwo. 511873;1392669888;mircea_popescu;drop all the rest, do this or perish. 511874;1392669894;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform defo. 511875;1392669898;mike_c;hehe. me and nick szabo. no contest, he hasn't done anything in years! 511876;1392669904;mircea_popescu;easy win right ? 511877;1392669911;mircea_popescu;plus you're buddy-buddy with the entire fucking academy. 511878;1392669947;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's that retard someone was recommending buying puts on the stock indexes for 10 years, showing like -5% on his hedge funds lol 511879;1392669952;mircea_popescu;i could see him on the nominees list. 511880;1392669954;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.098 = 0.294 BTC [-] 511881;1392669969;asciilifeform;so we're doing both 'ignobel' and nobel? 511882;1392669977;mircea_popescu;nono, just, i wouldn't vote for him 511883;1392669983;mircea_popescu;but i can see how someone'd recommend him. 511884;1392670003;mircea_popescu;gotta have disagreement and scream at each other to end up with a good prize. 511885;1392670016;mircea_popescu;im just trying to export my boardroom into your lives over here. i tell you, it works! 511886;1392670070;asciilifeform;if we do it with some fancy multi-keyed crypto widget, it'll double as a tontine... 511887;1392670096;mircea_popescu;may be a good idea, tho i fear automated trust systems may be hijacked in the way kakobrekla describes. 511888;1392670128;mircea_popescu;a mechanical turk you can have, an automated gentleman you can't have. 511889;1392670138;asciilifeform;truly. 511890;1392670178;mircea_popescu;so srsly, no trolling, try and come up with a broad criteria. like a sentence or something, a paragraph. 511891;1392670203;asciilifeform;and then we do physics, chemistry... ? 511892;1392670213;mircea_popescu;cads herbi and whoever else this goes for you too, even if you're poor. 511893;1392670226;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform maybe. i mean... you know, do whatever we want to do. 511894;1392670235;mircea_popescu;that's why godoshi has given us the concept of altcoins. 511895;1392670259;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1497 @ 0.00021499 = 0.3218 BTC [+] {2} 511896;1392670261;mircea_popescu;if ppls wanna do physics too we do physics too. with a focus on rocketry or w/e interests us. 511897;1392670291;mircea_popescu;the fact remains that whatever interests us is what matters in the world henceforth, and whatever interests whoever else, seven billion anon rats, is not worth a cigarette butt. 511898;1392670386;benkay;i nominate portland state aerospace society for their open source rocketry work 511899;1392670396;mircea_popescu;o hai. 511900;1392670412;mircea_popescu;if nothing else we'll at least get to find out about shit everyone else thought we knew about (tm) 511901;1392670416;mircea_popescu;such as for instance right now. 511902;1392670486;benkay;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAnPtbYMA8o&list=PL9498DE35E817D50C&index=1 511903;1392670496;benkay;built a roll control unit, doing cool stuff with imus and measurements 511904;1392670498;ozbot;LV2.3 October 2010 IMU Data - YouTube 511905;1392670500;benkay;rocket is a hilarious hog 511906;1392670503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00087567 = 21.8042 BTC [+] {2} 511907;1392670543;mircea_popescu;lol 511908;1392670582;benkay;basically built by ee's as a flight platform for their electronics 511909;1392670595;benkay;but its got some sweet mechanics too, you'll note that the fins spin independently of the rocket body 511910;1392670614;benkay;we reverse engineered that from other rockets controlled with canards 511911;1392670618;mircea_popescu;not bad 511912;1392670623;mircea_popescu;a you're part of it ? 511913;1392670625;benkay;cut, hardened and packed our own bearings 511914;1392670628;benkay;was at one point 511915;1392670670;benkay;it's a "student group" mostly made up of area professionals 511916;1392670678;benkay;big fucking bearings too 511917;1392670680;benkay;like 511918;1392670686;benkay;6" id if i recall correctly? 511919;1392670696;mircea_popescu;wait on a rocket for fin control ?! 511920;1392670708;benkay;it prevents control inversion 511921;1392670723;mircea_popescu;how much do 6" hardened steel bearings weigh ?! 511922;1392670723;benkay;tiny small control surfaces at the top 511923;1392670735;benkay;har not a consideration for this hog 511924;1392670765;benkay;and the bearings themselves are actually pretty small - they're just races attached to the frame 511925;1392670807;benkay;anyways, it's required because you have these tiny little control surfaces that swivel around up at the top of the body 511926;1392670842;mircea_popescu;aha 511927;1392670849;benkay;they induce airflow in a helix around the body, which when it impacts the giant stablization foils at the bottom 511928;1392670867;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, it occurs to me that bitcoin makes th ebest fucking prizes you can give : 511929;1392670869;benkay;on the first run this lead to an inversion of control, and eventually just crazy roll rates 511930;1392670875;mircea_popescu;the longer you go w/o spending it, the more your prize turns out to be. 511931;1392670896;benkay;then we decoupled the fins from exerting torque on the rocket body 511932;1392670899;benkay;problem solved 511933;1392670904;benkay;now the fins spin, and the rocket goes straight! 511934;1392670913;mircea_popescu;pretty cool idea. 511935;1392670920;benkay;at which point i was sucked off the rocket team and into the quadrotor team 511936;1392670930;benkay;carbon fiber airframe design! 511937;1392670971;mircea_popescu;3d printer rocket battery. 511938;1392670981;benkay;i designed a regen motor for printing 511939;1392670984;mircea_popescu;now that's a fucking nightmare. 511940;1392670988;benkay;too scared to ever test it 511941;1392670995;benkay;but ah hang on 511942;1392671104;benkay;ha yes 511943;1392671105;benkay;http://rocketmoonlighting.blogspot.co.nz/ 511944;1392671121;benkay;this gentleman chose gox/propane 511945;1392671145;benkay;not your best ISP, but definitely your best bet on fuel choices that aren't lethal without millions of USD in support staff and infrastructure. 511946;1392671171;benkay;defo my mistake in designing my regen motor: going for Isp and not testability. 511947;1392671214;mircea_popescu;you mean Isp ? impulse ? 511948;1392671222;benkay;specific impulse, yes 511949;1392671235;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07378 = 0.2213 BTC [+] 511950;1392671242;mircea_popescu;yeah that'd be a strategic mistake. 511951;1392671246;mircea_popescu;you need management :D 511952;1392671253;benkay;i have learned this 511953;1392671268;benkay;i now have some 511954;1392671275;mircea_popescu;mazel tov 511955;1392671430;r3wt;gribble;; 511956;1392671434;r3wt;;;gribble 511957;1392671434;gribble;yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me? 511958;1392671472;r3wt;;;gribble register 511959;1392671473;gribble;yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me? 511960;1392671491;mircea_popescu;;;register 511961;1392671491;gribble;(register ) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key with . is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes. 511962;1392671531;r3wt;;;register 511963;1392671532;gribble;(register ) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key with . is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes. 511964;1392671564;pankkake;http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Main_Page 511965;1392671568;ozbot;bitcoin-otc wiki 511966;1392671612;r3wt;hey gribble i want to register but don't want to use GPG 511967;1392671641;pankkake;r3wt: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Bitcoin_address_authentication 511968;1392671780;pankkake;http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_Identity_Protocol wow this is awesome 511969;1392671782;ozbot;GPG Identity Protocol - bitcoin-otc wiki 511970;1392671821;punkman;pankkake: related, https://keybase.io/ 511971;1392671879;mircea_popescu;pankkake it is. 511972;1392671909;pankkake;punkman: well the idea is interesting, but seems to rely on their website. also node.js :( 511973;1392671931;pankkake;meanwhile namecoin actually allows you to do this: https://nameid.org/?name=pankkake 511974;1392671936;mircea_popescu;yeah, the idea is not interesting. 511975;1392671948;mircea_popescu;"let us inject our stupid website spuriously" is not much of an ide.a 511976;1392671957;punkman;pankkake: I don't like that part either 511977;1392671963;punkman;but we can fix that 511978;1392671992;mircea_popescu;punkman you running it ? 511979;1392672015;punkman;I have nothing to do with it 511980;1392672049;pankkake;anyway, this gpg identity thing allows me to do what I've always wanted to do, a secure way to link profile together 511981;1392672049;mircea_popescu;a ok 511982;1392672056;TomServo;...YEAH 1 SEC, MINING ALTC0INS BY HAND 511983;1392672057;TomServo;✓ signed by maria 511984;1392672059;TomServo;ha 511985;1392672063;r3wt;;;bcregister r3wt 1337xmR8JRzwKonFgd17dhVo9NHQiP7875 511986;1392672063;gribble;Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.216.44.61. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ce803449b5f0c7085754f6594074cab76dcd45e0e6f813b45c5d79f9 511987;1392672082;pankkake;nice address 511988;1392672091;mircea_popescu;not bad. 511989;1392672147;mircea_popescu;r3wt another thing you may consider is registering with nickserv. if your name is important to you. 511990;1392672159;r3wt;;;bcregister HIshZU1IeW5WrBqteNtqDEHN1P9cbAgcjUQLv5QAfx7retsTPh6tVjQC3LL4UOE0th2/PP/4xPM9eoR5Mf1c2lA= 511991;1392672160;gribble;(bcregister ) -- Register your identity, associating bitcoin address key with . should be a standard-type bitcoin address, starting with 1. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address key, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes. 511992;1392672171;r3wt;;;bcverify HIshZU1IeW5WrBqteNtqDEHN1P9cbAgcjUQLv5QAfx7retsTPh6tVjQC3LL4UOE0th2/PP/4xPM9eoR5Mf1c2lA= 511993;1392672174;gribble;Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user 'r3wt' with address 1337xmR8JRzwKonFgd17dhVo9NHQiP7875 511994;1392672211;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 65 @ 0.0055 = 0.3575 BTC 511995;1392672214;r3wt;ok, it says registration successful. so i'm in? 511996;1392672229;mircea_popescu;yup 511997;1392672246;r3wt;hmm, i think i forgot the irc commands 511998;1392672258;r3wt;./msg NICKSERV IDENT 511999;1392672260;r3wt;right? 512000;1392672262;davout;pankkake: the address is not really impressive, having the firstbits would be 512001;1392672277;mircea_popescu;something like that. 512002;1392672279;TomServo;r3wt: register and then ident, iirc 512003;1392672281;r3wt;in my dreams 512004;1392672288;davout;r3wt: isn't it /msg nickserv identify 512005;1392672289;r3wt;i'm already ident though 512006;1392672311;r3wt;says i'm already logged in as r3wt 512007;1392672311;mircea_popescu;davout when did firstbits become a thing ? 512008;1392672329;r3wt;they've always been a thing for superfags 512009;1392672343;mircea_popescu;i can't see how it's anything but a stupid idea. 512010;1392672354;mircea_popescu;perhaps a benign novelty of no use at the best. 512011;1392672364;davout;they're like vanity plates 512012;1392672376;davout;not useful, but nice gadgets 512013;1392672382;WillTablet;TomServo: how's that working for you? 512014;1392672391;WillTablet;(Mining altcoins) 512015;1392672413;TomServo;WillTablet: it was a paste from the keybase.io page 512016;1392672459;r3wt;i'm in the WOT now yes? 512017;1392672463;mircea_popescu;TomServo is that the maria ? 512018;1392672466;mircea_popescu;r3wt yes. 512019;1392672483;TomServo;mircea_popescu: Yep 512020;1392672486;mod6;weird, no keyid or fp though? 512021;1392672491;mircea_popescu;seems apropriate. 512022;1392672500;mircea_popescu;http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=r3wt 512023;1392672502;r3wt;what is the WOT exactly? some type of bitcoin cult? 512024;1392672508;jurov;hahahahaha 512025;1392672512;ozbot;#bitcoin-otc gpg key data 512026;1392672516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00087636 = 8.0625 BTC [+] {2} 512027;1392672526;jurov;;;gettrust r3wt 512028;1392672532;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.216.44.61. Trust relationship from user jurov to user r3wt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jurov&dest=r3wt | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=r3wt | Rated since: never 512029;1392672550;jurov;r3wt ask your users to rate you 512030;1392672559;mircea_popescu;r3wt pretty much, yes. 512031;1392672565;r3wt;so i just say, go rate my otc profile? 512032;1392672567;mike_c;hmm, better process withdrawals first 512033;1392672576;Apocalyptic;^ 512034;1392672590;r3wt;already done. 512035;1392672595;mircea_popescu;r3wt https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110861.msg1227871#msg1227871 < there, it's explained. 512036;1392672608;jurov;and maybe some day someone whom i trust will rate you too, so i'll know we can do business 512037;1392672609;mircea_popescu;its a tool to allow you (and us) to evaluate the credibility of agents. 512038;1392672613;r3wt;only one withdrawals sitting on the books, and it can't be processed yet. waiting on doge. 512039;1392672614;jurov;or not 512040;1392672668;r3wt;there is no trust in business. only money and contracts 512041;1392672677;mircea_popescu;yes. this would be the contracts part. 512042;1392672760;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07105642 = 1.4211 BTC [-] {7} 512043;1392672781;r3wt;jurov: you should never trust me in the first place. 512044;1392672792;Apocalyptic;r3wt, i know of at least 3 different people waiting on withdrawals 512045;1392672825;jurov;r3wt to put *coins into your thing some rudimentary trust is necessary 512046;1392672849;r3wt;Apocalyptic: are they foreighn? alot of times foreign people put their username or wrong addresses on withdrawals and they just bounce back into their account 512047;1392672882;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.095 = 1.805 BTC [-] {2} 512048;1392672883;jurov;lmao you don't log when someone inputs malformed address? 512049;1392672893;skinnkavaj;vc 512050;1392672893;punkman;damn foreigners! 512051;1392672900;Apocalyptic;heh 512052;1392672936;davout;some trust is also required for business, at least that the other the party will hold up to their part 512053;1392672937;r3wt;@jurov: yes its logged, but only from the queue. if people wanna be clowns then they can pay the price 512054;1392672974;r3wt;for whatever reason, i haven't been able to get validate address to work correctly. 512055;1392672991;r3wt;maybe its just php, i'm not sure. hopefully it works better in LUA 512056;1392673028;davout;r3wt: you have trouble validating bitcoin addresses? 512057;1392673033;jurov;i think now i know everything i need about you 512058;1392673036;mircea_popescu;you mean the checksum ? 512059;1392673057;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=9838.0 ? 512060;1392673060;ozbot;javascript address validation? 0.2 BTC bounty (bounty paid) 512061;1392673109;mircea_popescu;people apparently paid 0.2 btc bounties in may 2011. 512062;1392673156;mod6;r3wt: thanks for sending. all is good now! 512063;1392673162;r3wt;no prob 512064;1392673231;r3wt;@dav, yeah probably something i overlooked. when i print the returned info its fine,b ut when i try to use if($row["isvalid"]) === "false") it fails 512065;1392673274;r3wt;so probably something i just need to go back to the drawing board on, but i'm not really interested in working on the php version anymore. there is literally no point in doing so 512066;1392673284;r3wt;anything i change now will be temporary 512067;1392673286;davout;r3wt: i know nothing of your code, but aren't you trying to test strict equality with a string when the value is a boolean? 512068;1392673299;mircea_popescu;seems like it 512069;1392673300;mircea_popescu;try == 512070;1392673320;r3wt;i tried == to i believe. 512071;1392673326;davout;why not if($row["isvalid"]) 512072;1392673334;davout;if it's a boolean that should be enough 512073;1392673336;mircea_popescu;you mean ! ? 512074;1392673337;r3wt;because it will return the trow anyway? 512075;1392673350;r3wt;when you rpc call it returns an array 512076;1392673371;mircea_popescu;r3wt is this thing you're using documented anywhere ? 512077;1392673386;davout;r3wt: using bitcoind right? 512078;1392673410;mircea_popescu;bitcoind in php ? 512079;1392673423;davout;mircea_popescu: why not? 512080;1392673435;mircea_popescu;uh 512081;1392673439;davout;just tried it, it returns a bool 512082;1392673441;mircea_popescu;no reason i guess. 512083;1392673448;kakobrekla;its not "false" but false 512084;1392673459;davout;so drop the whole equality test and i assume it should work 512085;1392673465;r3wt;http://pastebin.com/NqHHnKtg 512086;1392673465;mircea_popescu;with a ! 512087;1392673476;davout;mircea_popescu: oh yes 512088;1392673486;ozbot;[PHP] function isValidAddress($idtw,$address) { $wallet = new Wallet($idtw); - Pastebin.co 512089;1392673487;r3wt;no, we wrote custom wallet wrapper/object with modified bitcoinrpcphp 512090;1392673494;mircea_popescu;they see me sayin', they ignorin'. 512091;1392673512;davout;r3wt: so your wrapper converts a nice boolean into a cumbersome string? 512092;1392673519;davout;mircea_popescu: lol 512093;1392673528;benkay;i love the javascript "no, really: are these things equal or not?" === 512094;1392673537;benkay;javascript: equality?!?! 512095;1392673554;pankkake;php has the same 512096;1392673558;r3wt;lol, no you seem to misunderstand 512097;1392673584;davout;if everyone misunderstands i guess it cancels everyone out 512098;1392673585;r3wt;https://github.com/r3wt/openex/blob/master/models/class.wallet.php 512099;1392673625;r3wt;the files are out of date, but thats basically the class/wrapper 512100;1392673669;davout;r3wt: looks to me like the JSON is simply parsed so you should end up with a bool from validateaddress, no. 512101;1392673670;davout;? 512102;1392673675;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2300 @ 0.00021497 = 0.4944 BTC [-] {3} 512103;1392673714;mike_c;so you don't all think JD is just crapping money: ROI from july -> november = 0% all the gains have been since then. 512104;1392673716;r3wt;no it just returns the array. 512105;1392673725;r3wt;as far as i'm aware. 512106;1392673742;r3wt;you could be right and i'm just a dumbass overcomplicating things. i'll try your way and see. 512107;1392673748;benkay;pankkake: the same craaaaaazy equality operations? 512108;1392673771;pankkake;yeah, really horrible behaviors 512109;1392673794;davout;r3wt: if it parses the json it returns a hash, or a dictionary, whatever you call it in PHP, with the "isvalid" key pointing to a bool 512110;1392673797;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0951 = 0.951 BTC [+] 512111;1392673803;davout;r3wt: test it out i guess 512112;1392673807;kakobrekla;>if($row["isvalid"]) === "false") 512113;1392673812;kakobrekla;"false" is not a bool 512114;1392673817;kakobrekla;did ya fix dat noobery 512115;1392673841;mike_c;which noobery? using php? 512116;1392673857;kakobrekla;he pasted that line here 512117;1392673868;mike_c;sorry, just had to get a php crack in there 512118;1392673877;davout;dear god, please let this not degenerate into a language fight 512119;1392673883;davout;:) 512120;1392673884;mod6;flame flame 512121;1392673890;mike_c;i held my tongue for like a whole page 512122;1392673897;davout;OH FUCK IT, IT'S ON 512123;1392673914;mike_c;rabble rabble PYTHON rabble rabble 512124;1392673939;r3wt;you can have your jabs now. in a few weeks you will have a mouth of crow 512125;1392673950;benkay;now now 512126;1392673962;benkay;make something useful out of php and nobody bats an eye 512127;1392673963;r3wt;HINT HINT: We rewrote the exchange in something special 512128;1392673965;kakobrekla;yeah but you got the crow now 512129;1392673975;davout;r3wt: in lisp? 512130;1392673976;benkay;Lua you said? 512131;1392673977;Apocalyptic;can't wait 512132;1392673982;r3wt;yep LUA 512133;1392673984;jcpham;rabble rabble 512134;1392673997;Apocalyptic;does LUA have the === operator ? 512135;1392674001;r3wt;actually not even lua really, just some home brewery with lua 512136;1392674004;benkay;no seriously, is it equal? 512137;1392674011;r3wt;just use ~= 512138;1392674012;Apocalyptic;just wondering 512139;1392674019;r3wt;!= 512140;1392674025;r3wt;so in lua its 512141;1392674027;davout;Apocalyptic: maybe it has the NOT_EXACTLY_SURE_WHAT_I_M_DOING operator 512142;1392674027;r3wt;~= 512143;1392674032;mike_c;and the ever famous !== 512144;1392674039;r3wt;lol 512145;1392674043;davout;=~ is actually awesome 512146;1392674045;jurov;don't forget <> 512147;1392674046;mircea_popescu;import languages. 512148;1392674051;davout;lol 512149;1392674054;kakobrekla;benkay php is like real world, some are more equal than others. 512150;1392674062;Apocalyptic;r3wt, you should rewrite it in bitcoin script 512151;1392674065;davout;kakobrekla: lmao 512152;1392674065;Apocalyptic;now that would be a challenge 512153;1392674098;Apocalyptic;OP_CHECK_BALANCE OP_MAIL OP_WITHDRAW 512154;1392674099;pankkake;=~ is for using regular expressions? 512155;1392674100;mircea_popescu;i like the >=< operator. 512156;1392674108;mircea_popescu;kinda covers everything 512157;1392674124;davout;pankkake: yeah, checks for regexp match 512158;1392674135;mircea_popescu;which kind ? 512159;1392674143;davout;mircea_popescu: the infamous "figure-it-out-yourself" operator 512160;1392674149;pankkake;and I suppose you can use it for replacements too. that's one of the things I miss in Python, direct regexp access 512161;1392674160;mircea_popescu;uh python does not have regexp ?! 512162;1392674160;davout;pankkake: i don't think you can 512163;1392674179;jcpham;MPEX FAQ #42: Figure it out yourself. 512164;1392674182;r3wt;ah, now i see what i did wrong. i'm asking if a function is a boolean when it already returns one 512165;1392674186;pankkake;mircea_popescu: it does. but it's just a module, there's no quick access operator 512166;1392674192;mike_c;re.sub("php", "bugridden") 512167;1392674206;davout;r3wt: yeah, pretty much what i was yelling at you :-) 512168;1392674226;r3wt;nope, still didn't fix it 512169;1392674229;kakobrekla;no he is aksing if a fuction is a string "false" 512170;1392674241;Apocalyptic;*if a function returns 512171;1392674246;kakobrekla;ye 512172;1392674252;kakobrekla;lets broke it 512173;1392674283;r3wt;i was asking if a string in an array was false within the original function, then i was asking if the function was a boolean 512174;1392674286;r3wt;so get it right 512175;1392674295;r3wt;was the string false** 512176;1392674308;mircea_popescu; ah, now i see what i did wrong. i'm asking if a function is a boolean when it already returns one << pretty good this. 512177;1392674326;kakobrekla;double false. 512178;1392674330;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, indeed 512179;1392674345;kakobrekla;i guess that makes it true 512180;1392674353;mircea_popescu;r3wt so i guess now you have the answer : wot is the church of bitcoin miracles. 512181;1392674355;mircea_popescu;it fixes your code. 512182;1392674367;davout;"if($row["isvalid"]) === "false")" <<< array, where? 512183;1392674384;r3wt;mircea_popescu: if anything its a good place to learn 512184;1392674401;kakobrekla;is the array containing string "false" ?? 512185;1392674419;r3wt;yes, the row in the array will say "true" or "false" 512186;1392674427;r3wt;depending on if the address is valid or not 512187;1392674436;kakobrekla;but (i hope) its a bool ?? 512188;1392674436;Apocalyptic;davout, in PHP a dictionary is an array 512189;1392674445;Apocalyptic;that's one of the beauties 512190;1392674452;davout;Apocalyptic: lol, why don't they call things by their names 512191;1392674467;Apocalyptic;"An array in PHP is actually an ordered map. A map is a type that associates values to keys. This type is optimized for several different uses; it can be treated as an array, list (vector), hash table (an implementation of a map), dictionary, collection, stack, queue, and probably more" 512192;1392674483;davout;"and probably more" <<< lmao 512193;1392674483;mircea_popescu;i like the "probably more" part. 512194;1392674484;Apocalyptic;cause you know, it's tedious to call things right 512195;1392674489;mircea_popescu;should be a php operator this. 512196;1392674489;Apocalyptic;haha mircea 512197;1392674492;mircea_popescu;>~ 512198;1392674493;pankkake;it's worse. lists and dictionnaries are both arrays 512199;1392674494;mod6;things can be other things 512200;1392674514;Apocalyptic;yeah pankkake, everything is an array ! 512201;1392674517;mircea_popescu;mod6 like urmom! 512202;1392674519;r3wt;the adults are talking 512203;1392674522;mod6;haha 512204;1392674523;pankkake;and thus, if you export to json, empty "arrays" can end up as lists when you wanted dicts 512205;1392674524;mike_c;i like how it is "optimized" for all those things 512206;1392674529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11212 @ 0.00087705 = 9.8335 BTC [+] 512207;1392674538;mircea_popescu;pankkake THAT'S OK MAKE EVERYTHING IN JSON A STRING 512208;1392674538;kakobrekla;' == false ' < - comparing bool, ' == "false" ' <- comparing string 512209;1392674547;pankkake;lol 512210;1392674553;r3wt;yea i know the difference lol 512211;1392674560;davout;mircea_popescu there you go, PHP is the perfect randomness generator 512212;1392674566;kakobrekla;dafuq you comparing a string then for 512213;1392674569;pankkake;I remember once when I had to do a replace of '[]' by '{}', to fix the php json export 512214;1392674577;mircea_popescu;davout only for applications where it's not useful. 512215;1392674580;r3wt;because json rpc returns an array, not a boolean 512216;1392674591;mircea_popescu;is a boolean an array ? 512217;1392674596;r3wt;the class is the wrapper 512218;1392674598;mircea_popescu;it should be i reckon 512219;1392674600;kakobrekla;array can be anything 512220;1392674600;Apocalyptic;lemme check 512221;1392674608;r3wt;oh my god 512222;1392674622;r3wt;array("somekey" => "somevalue"); 512223;1392674635;davout;mircea_popescu: guess you have a point 512224;1392674645;mircea_popescu;if $row["hello"] ~= "false[$world]" 512225;1392674657;mircea_popescu;waitno 512226;1392674660;r3wt;how can you have a boolean in an array? 512227;1392674666;mircea_popescu;worldends.jpg 512228;1392674667;davout;derp 512229;1392674676;r3wt;it would be a string right? or i'm just stupid? 512230;1392674677;pankkake;also sometimes, php dicts are forced into lists, if you have only numeric keys or something 512231;1392674677;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, $ php -r "var_dump(is_array(false));" 512232;1392674677;Apocalyptic;bool(false) 512233;1392674678;mircea_popescu;r3wt by making it a double. 512234;1392674679;kakobrekla;like $array['key'] = false 512235;1392674686;mircea_popescu;then all the bits in it are boolean. 512236;1392674687;davout;r3wt: why would it have to be a string?? 512237;1392674700;r3wt;the array returns a string? 512238;1392674704;mircea_popescu;speaking of "all the bits in it" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M68GeL8PafE 512239;1392674709;kakobrekla;do a var_dump($array) 512240;1392674713;kakobrekla;see what is what 512241;1392674725;Apocalyptic;r3wt, the array returns crazy things 512242;1392674730;Apocalyptic;be carefull with those 512243;1392674730;r3wt;./altcoind validateaddress alfdjkaslflakdfja { "isvalid" : false } 512244;1392674742;r3wt;damn, it does return a bollean. you smart mofo 512245;1392674759;davout;it does, doesn't it 512246;1392674770;kakobrekla;i told you 356 lineas ago 512247;1392674772;davout;drop your equality test and keep the if 512248;1392674775;davout;kakobrekla: no, me 512249;1392674788;kakobrekla;fuck you ill edit logs 512250;1392674792;davout;LOL 512251;1392674799;davout;i yield 512252;1392674819;r3wt;$address = mysql_real_escape_string(strip_tags($_POST["recipient"])); $wallet = new Wallet($idtw); $validity = $wallet->validate($address); if($validity == false) { $errors[] = "Not a valid address"; $error = true; } 512253;1392674819;mircea_popescu;lmao 512254;1392674820;davout;r3wt: listen to what kako said goddommot 512255;1392674834;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00087749 = 27.7726 BTC [+] {5} 512256;1392674834;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2300 @ 0.00021498 = 0.4945 BTC [+] {3} 512257;1392674846;mircea_popescu;i can hear the collective multifacepalms of log reader ppl already. 512258;1392674860;mircea_popescu;hello multifacepalming logreader people. your facepalms have been foretold. 512259;1392674861;mike_c;seriously... if (!$validity) 512260;1392674891;davout;then it has to be $validity = $wallet->validate($address)["isvalid"] 512261;1392674904;Apocalyptic;you can't do that in PHP 512262;1392674915;mircea_popescu;php does not allow things. 512263;1392674928;Jere_Jones;5.4 does 512264;1392674937;davout;Apocalyptic: yeah, sorry, i guess i'm used to my language being insecure, not dumb 512265;1392674944;pankkake;hahaha 512266;1392674948;mircea_popescu;davout dumb is secure. 512267;1392674957;mike_c;please don't call php secure 512268;1392674958;mircea_popescu;to prove this : consider cheating wives. the dumb ones don't. 512269;1392674959;mircea_popescu;qed. 512270;1392674969;pankkake;simple is secure, not dumb 512271;1392674974;davout;pankkake: word 512272;1392674982;mircea_popescu;simple is doumbly secure. 512273;1392675017;davout;PHP burns my eyes 512274;1392675029;Apocalyptic;so does Perl 512275;1392675037;mircea_popescu;mike_c what's so insecure about php anyway. it securely failed the === "orly" test 512276;1392675089;mod6;na, perl?! 512277;1392675120;kakobrekla; 512278;1392675153;davout;kakobrekla: not too long, my eyes are only partly melted 512279;1392675156;mircea_popescu;is there some system call construct in php ? 512280;1392675159;mod6;haha 512281;1392675173;mike_c;mircea_popescu: here's one reason: "PHP is built to keep chugging along at all costs." 512282;1392675174;mircea_popescu;run("hello i am running strings on your stack"); 512283;1392675178;mike_c;http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/#philosophy 512284;1392675194;mircea_popescu;mike_c that's not automatically insecure. 512285;1392675196;ozbot;PHP: a fractal of bad design - fuzzy notepad 512286;1392675202;Apocalyptic;kako, real PHPers use echo instead of print 512287;1392675217;mike_c;you don't see other languages accidentally crapping the source code all over the web when something goes wrong 512288;1392675245;davout;"PHP takes vast amounts of inspiration from other languages, yet still manages to be incomprehensible to anyone who knows those languages." <<< truth 512289;1392675246;mike_c;it's not automatically insecure, it just tends that way. which is bad. 512290;1392675257;mircea_popescu;well sure. 512291;1392675268;Apocalyptic;http://phpsadness.com/sad/1 512292;1392675272;mircea_popescu;i still don't believe there's anything that even comes close to php for as long as what you're doing is basically... a blog. 512293;1392675282;davout;thank god nobody relies on a programming language for actual security 512294;1392675284;mircea_popescu;or w/e, a digital scrapbook for the information superhighway 512295;1392675292;ozbot;Unexpected T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM - PHP Sadness 512296;1392675294;mike_c;but he is not building a blog, he is building an exchange 512297;1392675306;mircea_popescu;this is what he thinks. 512298;1392675314;kakobrekla;Apocalyptic fortunatley being real phpers is not something to brag about 512299;1392675315;mircea_popescu;imagination has no impact on realitah still. 512300;1392675321;Apocalyptic;true 512301;1392675329;kakobrekla;echo that motherfucker. 512302;1392675357;peterl;who is building an exchange in php? 512303;1392675375;mike_c;r3wt. but don't worry, he's converting it to a custom lua engine 512304;1392675383;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2240 @ 0.000212 = 0.4749 BTC [-] {2} 512305;1392675384;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.071 = 0.497 BTC [-] 512306;1392675398;mircea_popescu;wasn't lua supposed to be a scripting language ? 512307;1392675423;mike_c;it is. but node.js says that don't matter. you can build with anything. 512308;1392675468;mircea_popescu;‣ 512309;1392675469;mircea_popescu;Weak typing (i.e., silent automatic conversion between strings/numbers/et al) is so complex that whatever minor programmer effort is saved is by no means worth it. 512310;1392675472;mircea_popescu;see, this i will dispute. 512311;1392675485;mike_c;hah. please do. 512312;1392675486;r3wt;php is shit. i will always like it because its my first thing i learned but even i can realize the problems it has 512313;1392675489;mircea_popescu;10mn people wrote === false code that worked. 512314;1392675510;mircea_popescu;that's like 100k man-hours. 512315;1392675521;mircea_popescu;the time thus spent resulted in at least 3k babies, 512316;1392675523;davout;if (x === true) { return true; } 512317;1392675527;mircea_popescu;out of which there were maybe even 2 actual programmers. 512318;1392675528;jurov;100k manboobs 512319;1392675539;mircea_popescu;now show me any other language which actually MAKES programmers. 512320;1392675553;pankkake;http://phpsadness.com/sad/1 => blame the jews 512321;1392675557;davout;sorry if (x === true) { return true; } else { return false; } <<< i've actually seen this 512322;1392675563;ozbot;Unexpected T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM - PHP Sadness 512323;1392675564;Namworld;=== in PHP? What the heck does that do? Can't recall ever using 3 = 512324;1392675580;mike_c;it means "equal in type and value" 512325;1392675596;mike_c;double equal means "almost everything is equal" 512326;1392675601;davout;how the fuck could it have the same value if it's not the same type 512327;1392675606;mike_c;seriously 512328;1392675627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2467 @ 0.00087464 = 2.1577 BTC [-] 512329;1392675627;mircea_popescu;== is useless. 512330;1392675627;mircea_popescu;‣ 512331;1392675627;mircea_popescu;Its not transitive. "foo" == TRUE, and 512332;1392675627;mircea_popescu;"foo" == 0 but, of course, 512333;1392675627;mircea_popescu;TRUE != 0. 512334;1392675630;mircea_popescu;ahahaha this is some epic shit 512335;1392675642;kakobrekla;ok so: 512336;1392675642;kakobrekla;2 512337;1392675645;kakobrekla;what did i just type 512338;1392675647;davout;==> "is this cube equal to this sphere?" sure, they're both made of wood! 512339;1392675656;kakobrekla;is it int or str 512340;1392675664;mike_c;int. no quotes. 512341;1392675677;davout;PHP looks like the language of choice for quantum physics 512342;1392675684;davout;"not sure, maybe we'll see at runtime" 512343;1392675685;mircea_popescu;so according to php is "1" = 1 evaluated to 1, 0 or what ? 512344;1392675690;kakobrekla;but i typed a str 512345;1392675690;Apocalyptic; ==> "is this cube equal to this sphere?" sure, they're both made of wood! // sure, because maleability 512346;1392675713;mike_c;wait, isn't mtgox written in php? case closed. 512347;1392675740;blg;mtgox also uses tcp/ip case closed 512348;1392675740;mircea_popescu;== converts to numbers when possible ( 123 == "123foo" although "123" != "123foo"), which means it converts to floats when possible. So large hex strings (like, say, password hashes) may occasionally compare true when theyre not. Even JavaScript doesnt do this. 512349;1392675740;KRS-One;qbasic? 512350;1392675741;davout;mike_c: no, because frameworks 512351;1392675743;mircea_popescu;this is so great. 512352;1392675766;mike_c;yes, drupal will save us 512353;1392675775;davout;also midas 512354;1392675791;mircea_popescu;For the same reason, "6" == " 6", "4.2" == "4.20", and "133" == "0133". But note that 133 != 0133, because 0133 is octal. But "0x10" == "16" and "1e3" == "1000"! 512355;1392675817;davout;i don't want to live on this internet anymore 512356;1392675822;mike_c;kako, defend that. "133" == "0133" 512357;1392675847;kakobrekla;same amt of btc. 512358;1392675855;mike_c;lol. true. 512359;1392675862;mircea_popescu;Amen to the cavalier attitude. You know about PHP's Javascript-esque === operator? (that's the one with three equals signs). That got designed on the spot in an IRC session with Zeev and some other devs. Because I actually had to explain to these folks what the concept of "object identity" was, i.e. what lisp does with 'eq', python does with 'is', and Javascript does with ===. Yes, because PHP's is different. Not only 512360;1392675862;mircea_popescu;does === fail to do object identity testing, it's simply '==', does all the "deep comparison" of ==, but also bothers to compare the type. 512361;1392675865;mircea_popescu;http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=204433&cid=16703529 512362;1392675869;ozbot;PHP 5.2.0 Released - Slashdot 512363;1392675933;mircea_popescu;In other words, I was unsuccessful in explaining this rather basic concept. They got it blisteringly wrong, and hacked this wrongness into the language for all time. I attempted to explain (much more patiently than here) that no, this is not what === is supposed to do, but I wasn't heard. Not by Zeev, not by anyone else on channel. No one got it at all. 512364;1392675933;mircea_popescu;I passionately hated PHP for a long time after that, but it's just not relevant enough to my work anymore to hate. 512365;1392676004;r3wt;so i should be learning python and lisp or what? 512366;1392676010;mike_c;sounds like a kindred spirit doesn't he mp? 512367;1392676013;peterl;python is great 512368;1392676058;mircea_popescu;mike_c it was an enjoying read. i am a sadist :D 512369;1392676073;davout;r3wt: tbh i think what matters most isn't the language, is to strive to understand exactly what's hapenning 512370;1392676105;r3wt;that is a tough task for me. i find myself doing alot of reading and then some trial and error 512371;1392676106;davout;but wanting away from PHP sounds like a sane thing if you're going to be programming moar 512372;1392676132;mircea_popescu;learning more languages never heart anyone, be they computer or natural. 512373;1392676134;r3wt;well this is my first project but i can already see that i do not want to do php forever. 512374;1392676148;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, absent any effort for deep understanding of meaning and grammar, no actual language learning takes place. 512375;1392676149;davout;r3wt: what makes a language hard to me is the lack of internal consistency it can have 512376;1392676199;pankkake;my innefiencies with php was mostly… looking up the order of function arguments, as they were so inconsistent 512377;1392676218;Apocalyptic;^ 512378;1392676253;mircea_popescu;pankkake i was just reading that 512379;1392676265;mircea_popescu;http://phpsadness.com/sad/9 512380;1392676265;ozbot;Order of arguments (array/string search) - PHP Sadness 512381;1392676296;pankkake;"implode() can, for historical reasons, accept its parameters in either order" 512382;1392676298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00087418 = 5.6822 BTC [-] 512383;1392676322;r3wt;yeah, php is an odd language im not sure why i learned it other than there is just alot of info on it out there and it seemed easy for me to learn 512384;1392676323;mircea_popescu;lol historical reasons 512385;1392676347;Apocalyptic;pankkake, now that's insane 512386;1392676366;davout;also easiest to get started with 512387;1392676395;davout;procedural is easiest to comprehend 512388;1392676403;mircea_popescu;so TIL that bitcoinaverage uses a ton of fictitious volume from crap like bitfines. 512389;1392676406;mircea_popescu;bitfinex 512390;1392676409;mircea_popescu;"volume_btc": 17716.99, 512391;1392676420;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.098 = 0.49 BTC [+] 512392;1392676422;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is one to trust an avg which includes > 25% pure unadulterated crud. 512393;1392676431;mircea_popescu;herpderp we've taken out mtgox, but we count bitfinex. 512394;1392676435;pankkake;r3wt: an advice for your current php code is not to use mysql escapes directly, but use http://php.net/PDO especially prepared statements. that way, you have less chance to forget an escape 512395;1392676453;davout;working out at bitfitness, bitches don't know bout my volume 512396;1392676463;mircea_popescu;23293.31 from bitstamp, 17237.53 from btc-e, basically this is a joke. 512397;1392676471;mircea_popescu;there's officially no bitcoin average price signal out there. 512398;1392676495;mircea_popescu;"volume_percent": 30.15 512399;1392676497;mircea_popescu;gimme a break. 512400;1392676542;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.098 = 0.196 BTC [+] 512401;1392676543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00087341 = 23.058 BTC [-] {3} 512402;1392676575;mircea_popescu;theres' ANX.HK Justcoin and a bunch of other crap with < 10 btc volume 512403;1392676579;mircea_popescu;why would anyone include this. 512404;1392676585;r3wt;pankkake: should i waste my time with that or should i continue writing ssl sockets for LUA? 512405;1392676592;peterl;mircea_popescu: could you publish your own average bitcoin price? 512406;1392676599;ThickAsThieves;my openex withdrawals are done, the delay was partially due to Chrome autofilling my username into the address field 512407;1392676604;mircea_popescu;peterl i could. and then my own bitcoin and my own planet 512408;1392676611;mircea_popescu;seems to be exactly counter to what im trying to do tho 512409;1392676618;Apocalyptic;ThickAsThieves, it's ok you are a foreigner 512410;1392676620;pankkake;r3wt: just keep in mind if you write more php. almost all other languages have libs in the style of PHP PDO 512411;1392676624;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you know that's pretty serious an issue. 512412;1392676638;nicknock_;mp: whats wrong about bfx? 512413;1392676645;r3wt;btw, openex lua is done man, it is a complete rethink. i would have a few days of moving/converting the db to the new structure but it is basically all done except for sockets and the migration of the db structure 512414;1392676646;FabianB_;coindesks bitcoin price index might be an option, but with only stamp and btce it's a joke too 512415;1392676649;pankkake;autofill is evil 512416;1392676654;mircea_popescu;nicknock_ see mpoe-pr's scamthread 512417;1392676656;peterl;don't most exchanges publish volumes and prices, shouldn't getting an average be pretty easy? 512418;1392676666;mircea_popescu;omg they have localbitcoins 512419;1392676678;mircea_popescu;so basically i can just put the price anywhere by reporting trades on localbitcoins 512420;1392676685;Apocalyptic;^ 512421;1392676690;mircea_popescu;"Rock Trading" 512422;1392676698;mircea_popescu;wait, that's still in business ? didn't it turn scam a while back ? 512423;1392676725;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00020059 = 2.0059 BTC [-] {11} 512424;1392676728;mircea_popescu;Vircurex doing an epic 2.13 btc 512425;1392676738;davout;mircea_popescu: you'd be paying them fees for this 512426;1392676748;davout;not saying it wouldn't be possible tho 512427;1392676775;mircea_popescu;davout i pay localbitcoins a fee to trade locally ? 512428;1392676778;mircea_popescu;how does that work lmao 512429;1392676785;Apocalyptic;yes mircea you do 512430;1392676785;Apocalyptic;1% 512431;1392676788;davout;i don't, know, isn't that their business model? 512432;1392676799;mircea_popescu;i have no idea they even had a business model. 512433;1392676814;mircea_popescu;basically it's a site to meet federal agents posing as people who are trying to buy bitcoins to pay for stolen cards, rite ? 512434;1392676819;davout;check-out this faggotry, visit the link bitcoincentral.com 512435;1392676854;kakobrekla;i was expecting kraken 512436;1392676859;davout;kakobrekla: lol 512437;1392676867;mircea_popescu;kraken is doing like 40 btc total. 512438;1392676889;kakobrekla;they also squated that much worth of domains 512439;1392676897;davout;somehow, two minutes after i tell lb owner about it my ip gets blocked, and the domain only works from my cell disconnected from wifi 512440;1392676905;mircea_popescu;who was arguing for the good idea=ness of using dead brands ? 512441;1392676920;mircea_popescu;there you go person : someone resurected the kraken harnett & co shat all over in 2012. 512442;1392676925;mircea_popescu;apparently it wasn't SUCH a good idea. 512443;1392676942;mircea_popescu;davout about what ? 512444;1392676962;davout;what about what? 512445;1392676972;mircea_popescu;"owner about it my ip" 512446;1392676974;ThickAsThieves; hello multifacepalming logreader people. your facepalms have been foretold. /// as a mostly not programmer this aint so bad so far! 512447;1392676996;mircea_popescu; 512448;1392677030;davout;mircea_popescu: i told the owner, the kangasbros guy that bitcoincentral.com redirected to localbitcoins.com, a minutes after it gives me a blank page and starts working again as soon as i change IP 512449;1392677100;benkay;davout o.0 512450;1392677114;mircea_popescu;i may be in my slow mode, but i dont follow teh implicashionz. 512451;1392677116;mircea_popescu;why are you redirecting to him or what ? 512452;1392677124;davout;it's not mah domain 512453;1392677129;davout;mine is with a dash 512454;1392677135;davout;bticoin-central.net/com 512455;1392677144;benkay;that's a good squat 512456;1392677145;mircea_popescu;o o o so he's squatting is what you mean 512457;1392677146;mircea_popescu;lolzy 512458;1392677157;benkay;what's better is his response to davout saying "hey squatter" 512459;1392677161;mircea_popescu;hahaha businessmen of egypt class of 2004 512460;1392677176;davout;benkay: denies at the same time, anyway 512461;1392677208;mircea_popescu;i suppose this is what is meant by the beetleman metaphore. 512462;1392677218;mircea_popescu;people with very flat profiles pushing very determinedly. 512463;1392677262;mircea_popescu;jurov here's the funny math on the topic : he could identify davout in his logs. 512464;1392677267;mircea_popescu;guess how much traffic he gets 512465;1392677278;benkay;sad trombone 512466;1392677280;mircea_popescu;to defray his $10 a year "investment" in "internet" "business" 512467;1392677396;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6120 @ 0.0001921 = 1.1757 BTC [-] {12} 512468;1392677436;mircea_popescu;Its not even consistent: NULL < -1, and 512469;1392677436;mircea_popescu;NULL == 0. Sorting is thus 512470;1392677436;mircea_popescu;nondeterministic; it depends on the order in which the sort algorithm happens to compare elements. 512471;1392677438;mircea_popescu;aahahaa what 512472;1392677456;mircea_popescu;null srsly < -1 ? 512473;1392677465;davout;SQL? 512474;1392677472;mircea_popescu;php 512475;1392677479;mircea_popescu;what, sql does that ? nowai. 512476;1392677484;benkay;but if you just avoid all those things you can write rock-solid code, mircea_popescu. 512477;1392677499;pankkake;http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ is the best on the subject, I found 512478;1392677502;mircea_popescu;benkay either that or discover more things. 512479;1392677507;mircea_popescu;i don't imagine that list came prepopulated. 512480;1392677513;davout;no no no, NULL < -1 in SQL would result in NULL 512481;1392677514;ozbot;PHP: a fractal of bad design - fuzzy notepad 512482;1392677521;mircea_popescu;pankkake i was quoting from there 512483;1392677574;pankkake;oh :) 512484;1392677601;pankkake;it's actually a good resource if you want to *learn* php 512485;1392677616;mircea_popescu;some of this shit is pretty impressive. 512486;1392677628;mircea_popescu;?: is left associative 512487;1392677700;ThickAsThieves;"we learn that Italy has just ordered banks to withhold a 20% tax on all inbound wire transfers: a decree which on to of everything will apply retroactively to February 1" i missed the retro part initially ... wtf? 512488;1392677701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00087418 = 3.3219 BTC [+] 512489;1392677743;mod6;You pull out the hammer, but to your dismay, it has the claw part on both sides. << lmao 512490;1392677773;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i can do you one better : romania passed an organic law saying that the tax code can not be altered mid exercise 512491;1392677778;mircea_popescu;because the govt kept doing this. 512492;1392677793;mircea_popescu;the next year the tax code was altered mid exercise, and to be applied from the beginning of the exercise. 512493;1392677807;ThickAsThieves;can italy even keep up with verifying claims of exemption? 512494;1392677808;davout;lol 512495;1392677809;mircea_popescu;further improvement : the people who obeyed sucked it 512496;1392677817;mircea_popescu;the people who told them to fuck off got to get away with it. 512497;1392677833;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves that's planned to become delayed. 512498;1392677836;davout;in france we have invented something marvelously cynical : "l'abus de droit" 512499;1392677860;ThickAsThieves;also does Italy not want money coming there anymore? 512500;1392677862;davout;in other words, if you use the law to your advantage too much, govt gets to fuck you 512501;1392677885;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves italy thinks money has no choice 512502;1392677891;mircea_popescu;because all moniz lead to rome 512503;1392677894;mircea_popescu;or some retarded shit 512504;1392677907;mircea_popescu;(really, it doesn't want rich foreigners coming in scooping their shit country for cheap) 512505;1392677963;ThickAsThieves;lol 512506;1392677975;ThickAsThieves;well, bitcoin! 512507;1392677981;ThickAsThieves;sry Italy 512508;1392678019;mircea_popescu;davout romanian courts are like something from 1400 HRE. 512509;1392678032;mircea_popescu;i don't think any government in the world gets so badly raped in the courts as the romanian one. 512510;1392678037;davout;"HRE" <<< ? 512511;1392678039;ThickAsThieves;are bitcoin exchanges going to even be legal next year? 512512;1392678040;mircea_popescu;good illustration of this principle 512513;1392678042;mircea_popescu;holy roman empire. 512514;1392678047;davout;oh 512515;1392678059;benkay;mircea_popescu: that's the point. avoiding "all of those things" is an impossible task. 512516;1392678065;mircea_popescu;a state agency created to herpderp about us crapola fined a popular tv station for saying nigger or some such shit. 512517;1392678078;davout;ThickAsThieves: who knows... as usual, wear a condom and don't leave money on exchanges 512518;1392678083;mircea_popescu;the station sued the agency. the court ordered the agency stfu and pay the stations' lawyers 512519;1392678091;mircea_popescu;the agency was not built with a lawyer budget, so it couldn't pay 512520;1392678101;mircea_popescu;another court said stfu and pay or else we take your computors 512521;1392678106;mircea_popescu;and sell the employees into slavery. 512522;1392678246;davout;computors, who would've thought in 1900 that janitors would be humans in 2000 and computors machines 512523;1392678257;mircea_popescu;srsly. 512524;1392678372;benkay;neat to note how the spin is changing: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/10165/floridas-bitcoin-sting-cast-doubt-law-enforcements-priorities-money-laundering-laws/ 512525;1392678381;benkay;originally "these horrible credit card fraudsters" 512526;1392678403;benkay;now it's "they're just moving too much money. you're not allowed to move more than 30K without our permission." 512527;1392678441;mircea_popescu;myeah. 512528;1392678459;mircea_popescu;the sides are stiffening, we shall have battle. 512529;1392678496;mircea_popescu;Including a file dumps its variables into the current functions scope (and gives the file access to your variables), but dumps functions and classes into global scope. 512530;1392678512;mircea_popescu;so php does not actually have scope for anything but variables ? 512531;1392678556;benkay;stahp stahp stahp 512532;1392678563;benkay;leave poor php alone 512533;1392678571;benkay;you just don't understand! 512534;1392678584;mircea_popescu;well i guess why would anyone ever want function scope 512535;1392678590;davout;it would be so cool to have a consistent language where everything is an object that you call methods on 512536;1392678591;mircea_popescu;unless they were going to do something evil with it. 512537;1392678599;mircea_popescu;davout asm ? 512538;1392678624;davout;nah, i think it's named sapphire or sthg 512539;1392678658;mircea_popescu;Using a variable as a function name, or variable name, or class name. (silent) 512540;1392678667;mircea_popescu;for the record, mysql is equally idiotic about this. 512541;1392678700;davout;classes, functions, w/e they're all objects! 512542;1392678700;mircea_popescu;ppl spent half a day debugging bizarre eulora errors only to discover the name of a variable happened to be a language construct and those you have to quote a CERTAIN way 512543;1392678732;davout;mircea_popescu: well that's kind of like mpex, "here are the rules; like it or not, but its how this thing works" 512544;1392678738;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 31 @ 0.0894743 = 2.7737 BTC [-] {8} 512545;1392678774;mircea_popescu;i guess so. 512546;1392678775;benkay;what's eulora built in? 512547;1392678781;mircea_popescu;benkay php. 512548;1392678796;mircea_popescu;srsly : it's largely c++ 512549;1392678820;Jere_Jones;mircea_popescu And THAT is a beautiful language. 512550;1392678826;mircea_popescu;there are some ad-hoc scripting things we're fighting with atm 512551;1392678853;mircea_popescu;i'm still waffly whether the entire thing should be torn out and re-written (which you know, 16th standard problem as well as joel's netscape objections) 512552;1392678864;mircea_popescu;or just try to live with the idiocy of nonsensical xml horror. 512553;1392678877;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones sure, for the first 1k lines. 512554;1392678921;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.08880003 = 0.1776 BTC [-] 512555;1392678929;Jere_Jones;I enjoy it. 512556;1392678979;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones the kids don't seem to, which means you'll probably have your work cut out for you until you fall over 512557;1392678989;mircea_popescu;seeing how most everything that actually works is actually c 512558;1392679044;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.08880001 = 0.5328 BTC [-] {3} 512559;1392679061;Jere_Jones;If I'm lucky. :) 512560;1392679195;mike_c;i hope eulora isn't rolling its own xml encoder/decoder. that sounds painful. 512561;1392679221;mircea_popescu;mike_c whatever's in the code is currently xml-ish. 512562;1392679228;mircea_popescu;if it rolls its own it ain't gonna be xml. 512563;1392679241;mike_c;xml-ish :) 512564;1392679244;mircea_popescu;but probably... lua. i guess. 512565;1392679250;benkay;HA 512566;1392679256;mircea_popescu;which will make r3wt's exchange implementable as a crafting station in eulora 512567;1392679259;mike_c;sounds like.. html! 512568;1392679270;asciilifeform;anyone remember the multi-MB nsa turd in lua? 512569;1392679282;mircea_popescu;mike_c do you know of any implementation of xml that is actually not xml-ish ? 512570;1392679301;mircea_popescu;i mean in some sort of application with some other function or destination than showcasing xml 512571;1392679337;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform vaguely. 512572;1392679337;mike_c;xml is just a data format. if it's not being handwritten why not be strict? 512573;1392679360;mircea_popescu;mike_c but as to the practical question... 512574;1392679393;asciilifeform;http://blog.malwarebytes.org/intelligence/2012/06/rats-of-unusual-sizes/ 512575;1392679399;mike_c;not sure i follow. you mean like soap? 512576;1392679416;mircea_popescu;i mean like a cheese grater or a rocket designing gui 512577;1392679422;mircea_popescu;that for some reason included a xml parser 512578;1392679433;mircea_popescu;and the thing was actually xml as opposed to xml-ish 512579;1392679463;mike_c;i would say any website service that uses soap to communicate. 512580;1392679470;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.09899999 = 0.396 BTC [+] {2} 512581;1392679518;mircea_popescu;http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/radhelp/v8/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.webservice.doc%2Ftopics%2Fcore%2Ftwsicomply.html 512582;1392679529;mircea_popescu;first fucking thing. "You can choose to make your Web service compliant or non-compliant, depending on your needs." 512583;1392679531;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] 512584;1392679544;ozbot;Help - Rational Application Developer 512585;1392679548;mircea_popescu;atrocious fucking site ibm has too 512586;1392679568;mike_c;hm, well, can you provide an example of a reason you would need to not be compliant? 512587;1392679655;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so the lua relation seems merely happenstance 512588;1392679667;mircea_popescu;mike_c none. but im just saying practically, people do what they do. 512589;1392679671;Jere_Jones;It isn't a matter of needing to be non-compliant. It would be a matter of not needing to be compliant. 512590;1392679684;Jere_Jones;Compliant requiring more resources. 512591;1392679711;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there was genuine lua in the turd 512592;1392679717;asciilifeform;or did you mean something else 512593;1392679752;mircea_popescu;i mean " multi-MB nsa turd in lua" shoud have read "the lua in the multi-MB nsa turd" 512594;1392679758;asciilifeform;ah well yes. 512595;1392679807;asciilifeform;the art of turdcraft has really gone down hill, people write shit in vb even. 512596;1392679851;mircea_popescu;The White Hat RAT A legitimate network administrator needs to quickly perform updates or solve problems for numerous users, so he has a legitimate reasons to install a remote administration tool on all of the systems under his supervision. This would allow him to make changes and/or catch people going against the companies computer use policy for all of the users without leaving his desk. 512597;1392679863;mircea_popescu;you have to be completely broken i nthe head to imagine there is such a thing as a legitimate rat. 512598;1392679878;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: remember 'back orifice' ? 512599;1392679881;asciilifeform;what it was named after. 512600;1392679892;mircea_popescu;well ya, but nevertheless. 512601;1392679920;asciilifeform;yeah i never understood the appeal of giving slaves actual computers. give them graphic terminals and be done with it 512602;1392679956;mircea_popescu;no computers for slaves. 512603;1392679967;mircea_popescu;if you need the admin to fix your computer you may not use one. 512604;1392679992;mircea_popescu;back in the day a man became eligible for marriage once he could fix his own fucking cart. 512605;1392680124;asciilifeform;http://threatpost.com/large-list-of-ftp-credentials-for-sale-in-underground-forums/104275 512606;1392680128;asciilifeform;someone still uses ftp! 512607;1392680171;mircea_popescu;Hackers cannot usually upload information to a website, 512608;1392680188;mircea_popescu;srsly, 7800 fpt servers, what is this, noob tv ? 512609;1392680297;asciilifeform;stoopid folks are stoopid, news at 11 512610;1392680315;asciilifeform;who the hell pays for trojans, also 512611;1392680322;asciilifeform;i never understood 512612;1392680327;mircea_popescu;Guy eating in an elegant restaurant in Montreal leaves his table to use the mens room and comes out screaming. 512613;1392680327;mircea_popescu;Monsieur! Monsieur! What is wrong? 512614;1392680327;mircea_popescu;I used the faucet for cold and the hottest water came out. 512615;1392680327;mircea_popescu;Ah, Monsieur c is for chaud, which means hot in French. 512616;1392680327;mircea_popescu;But the other faucet has a c on it too. 512617;1392680328;mircea_popescu;That c is for the English word cold. 512618;1392680330;mircea_popescu;Thats crazy. 512619;1392680332;mircea_popescu;No, sir, not crazy said the maitre d, We are a bilingual city. 512620;1392680385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00087418 = 0.6119 BTC [+] 512621;1392680732;mircea_popescu;http://www.correctionalassociation.org/news/new-law-bans-shackling-of-incarcerated-women-in-labor 512622;1392680737;mircea_popescu;interesting what they need laws for. 512623;1392680762;ozbot;New law bans shackling of incarcerated women in labor » Correctional Association of New York: Corre 512624;1392680883;BitcoinPropagand;http://www.coindesk.com/italian-amendment-treat-bitcoin-like-cash/ 512625;1392681119;asciilifeform;re: 'keybase' link: brilliant honeypot 512626;1392681128;benkay;am i supposed to read this florida thing to imply i can move 20k+ but but 20k-?? 512627;1392681137;mircea_popescu;"The first time I went to jail I was 18 years old. I had gone AWOL from the navy, was living with 3 prostitutes, and befriended an older Marine. The Marine and I decided to pull an armed robbery of a small convenience store. A policeman happened to be in the area, and after a long chase we were arrested and went to jail." 512628;1392681137;asciilifeform;'...certain crypto actions (signing and decrypting) are limited to users who store client-encrypted copies of their private keys on the server, an optional feature we didn't mention above...' 512629;1392681167;mircea_popescu;omfg 512630;1392681173;asciilifeform;'...co-founder of OkCupid and Keybase.' 512631;1392681180;asciilifeform;'famed artist & designer' 512632;1392681181;mircea_popescu;name ? 512633;1392681187;asciilifeform;scroll to bottom 512634;1392681199;mircea_popescu;i dont have the shit loaded 512635;1392681208;asciilifeform;keybase.io 512636;1392681212;mircea_popescu;sigh 512637;1392681224;blg;benkay: are you referring to the secret service arrests of localbitcoin users? 512638;1392681239;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1410 @ 0.00020107 = 0.2835 BTC [-] {4} 512639;1392681242;benkay;blg yup 512640;1392681245;asciilifeform;Max Krohn 512641;1392681246;asciilifeform;co-founder of OkCupid and Keybase 512642;1392681246;asciilifeform;keybase.io/max 512643;1392681246;asciilifeform;MIT Ph.D., PDOS Group 512644;1392681246;asciilifeform;Chris Coyne 512645;1392681246;asciilifeform;co-founder of OkCupid and Keybase 512646;1392681248;asciilifeform;keybase.io/chris 512647;1392681250;mircea_popescu;;;rate Chris Coyne Max Krohn Caroline Hadilaksono - 10 fucktards 512648;1392681250;gribble;Error: 'Coyne' is not a valid integer. 512649;1392681250;asciilifeform;chriscoyne.com 512650;1392681252;asciilifeform;Caroline Hadilaksono 512651;1392681254;asciilifeform;famed artist & designer 512652;1392681256;asciilifeform;keybase.io/chadilaksono 512653;1392681258;asciilifeform;www.hadilaksono.com 512654;1392681268;asciilifeform;hard-working public servants! 512655;1392681273;mircea_popescu;send the fingermen. 512656;1392681274;asciilifeform;the fucktards are the lusers. 512657;1392681298;asciilifeform;hell, it's exactly as dumb as 'online wallets' 512658;1392681307;asciilifeform;let's store private keys on this other fellow's box! 512659;1392681310;asciilifeform;what could go wrong. 512660;1392681350;asciilifeform;embrace & extinguish (TM) 512661;1392681355;mircea_popescu;no cause they're encrypted you know. 512662;1392681372;asciilifeform;lol 512663;1392681377;mircea_popescu;anyway, the positive here is that all these fucktards are rapidly giving old style fiat credentials a bad name. 512664;1392681399;mircea_popescu;o, you're from X company ? so you're too stupid to live, right, just like the geniuses that founded okcupid, facebook, whatnot. 512665;1392681411;asciilifeform;channelling herr moldy and orlov: '...it's not clear that you'll want the old world on your resume.' 512666;1392681422;mircea_popescu;definitely clear you don't. 512667;1392681435;mircea_popescu;kinda funny how the stupid work for the smart whether they like it or not. 512668;1392681462;punkman;keybase.io wants people's private keys? lulz 512669;1392681478;davout;wai 512670;1392681483;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-] 512671;1392681495;asciilifeform;can't believe nobody noticed that tidbit 512672;1392681500;davout;srsly? 512673;1392681505;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you're the first one that read the site 512674;1392681509;mircea_popescu;probably since its inception 512675;1392681518;asciilifeform;i always think, 'scroll down to where the bastard wants your keys' 512676;1392681542;davout;i skimmed over it and concluded, maybe too fast, that it was just syntactic sugar around the gpg binary or sthg 512677;1392681547;asciilifeform;the less dour the presentation, the more childlike the graphics, the more guaranteed. 512678;1392681558;punkman;I just liked the command line utility, I want to associate nicknames to keys 512679;1392681585;mircea_popescu;punkman what's wrong with, you know, the wot ? 512680;1392681594;davout;punkman: you don't have autocomplete for key names? 512681;1392681612;punkman;davout, does gpg already do that? 512682;1392681634;asciilifeform;'syntactic sugar causes cancer of the semicolon.' 512683;1392681643;davout;punkman: i'm a heretic, i'm on osx, but the gpg i have does it, o wait, its probably zsh, stupid me 512684;1392681666;asciilifeform;at any rate, a beartrap is a beartrap, stick your foot in if you enjoy that kind of thing. 512685;1392681680;davout;but even without autocomplete you can just give the first unambiguous chars of a key name and gpg will be smart enough to pick the right one 512686;1392681687;mircea_popescu;i don't get it, gpg already recognises destinations by name, email, keyd out of the box 512687;1392681688;davout;works with -r and -u 512688;1392681693;mircea_popescu;what is the functionality sought here ? 512689;1392681718;davout;moar convenience i guess, but that's what you describe, gpg is smart enough if there's no ambiguity 512690;1392681722;asciilifeform;to entertain people with cartoons while they lay back and get pwned 512691;1392681726;asciilifeform;just the same as always. 512692;1392681738;punkman;I haven't used GPG enough then 512693;1392681740;mircea_popescu;http://www.stormfront.org/truth_at_last/raje/memories.html 512694;1392681749;punkman;(I am registered on WOT though) 512695;1392681765;ozbot;Memories of Rape 512696;1392681887;davout;punkman: if you're on osx chain it with pbpaste and pbcopy for extra awesomeness 512697;1392681910;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.099 = 0.693 BTC [+] 512698;1392681971;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0993 = 0.3972 BTC [+] 512699;1392682097;punkman;davout: I never liked OSX 512700;1392682100;punkman;or the cloud 512701;1392682115;davout;or cunt 512702;1392682122;punkman;no I just had some cunt 512703;1392682125;punkman;and a tangerine 512704;1392682129;davout;hehe good for you 512705;1392682137;punkman;amazing tangerine 512706;1392682137;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 512707;1392682184;davout;anyway, chain gpg with whatever streams your clipboard from or to the standard input 512708;1392682197;benkay;(pipe) 512709;1392682220;davout;benkay: what, are words supposed to have a meaning now? 512710;1392682267;davout;well... pipe it then :-) 512711;1392682289;pankkake;ceci n'est pas un pipe 512712;1392682310;davout;i'll pipe pankkake to /dev/null 512713;1392682318;Apocalyptic;*une pipe you mean 512714;1392682329;pankkake;tu me fais une pipe ? 512715;1392682353;Apocalyptic;no chance 512716;1392682363;davout;https://soundcloud.com/steve-f-fernald/tumbleweed-wav 512717;1392682388;davout;disregard this, i perform pipes 512718;1392682417;pankkake;can't deny it, being a mac user and all 512719;1392682418;mircea_popescu;is that slang for a blowjob ? 512720;1392682422;pankkake;yes 512721;1392682425;davout;yes 512722;1392682446;punkman;so which ugly cunt can I diddle to get some ratings, http://oglaf.com/audition/ 512723;1392682496;mircea_popescu;lol 512724;1392682507;mircea_popescu;where's the cock spool one 512725;1392682522;mircea_popescu;http://oglaf.com/goodbehavior/ 512726;1392682530;ozbot;good behavior 512727;1392682573;davout;what's a spool? 512728;1392682589;mircea_popescu;moulinette ? 512729;1392682596;benkay;that one cracks me 512730;1392682599;benkay;cracks me up 512731;1392682602;benkay;the spooling 512732;1392682603;benkay;my sides 512733;1392682605;mircea_popescu;mhm 512734;1392682617;davout;mircea_popescu: https://www.google.fr/search?q=moulinette&client=firefox-a&hs=qgu&rls=org.mozilla:fr:official&channel=fflb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=b6YCU7uhCOq60QXbv4GwBg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1473&bih=1255 512735;1392682617;mircea_popescu;(make sure you hit next page, its a 2 page one) 512736;1392682644;mircea_popescu;davout a spool is the object upon which you collect a thread 512737;1392682650;mircea_popescu;be it fishing line or optic fibre 512738;1392682655;davout;mircea_popescu: ok 512739;1392682655;mircea_popescu;as well as the thread thus collected 512740;1392682662;davout;une bobine 512741;1392682672;mircea_popescu;isn't that the electric itam ? 512742;1392682678;davout;it's both 512743;1392682682;mircea_popescu;a ok. 512744;1392682703;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001898 = 0.1898 BTC [-] {6} 512745;1392682707;davout;also used for rolling movies up 512746;1392682715;davout;http://www.google.fr/imgres?client=firefox-a&hs=DNF&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla%3Afr%3Aofficial&channel=fflb&biw=1473&bih=1255&tbm=isch&tbnid=SofvF09zNszdLM%3A&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Failesvolantes.bessan.pagesperso-orange.fr%2Fvideo.htm&docid=IHKW5gK9P8OK6M&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Failesvolantes.bessan.pagesperso-orange.fr%2Fvideo%2Fbobine.gif&w=673&h=821&ei=rKYCU4vTNuGm0QXzwYCACA&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=116&page=1&start=0&ndsp=45&ved=0CHMQrQMwBw 512747;1392682721;davout;that a spool too ? 512748;1392682723;thecapitalr;whats everyones thought on CBTC? 512749;1392682733;mircea_popescu;thecapitalr what's cbtc ? 512750;1392682744;thecapitalr;casinobitco.in 512751;1392682750;mircea_popescu;davout that's a reel. 512752;1392682756;davout;aaah 512753;1392682761;davout;i heard this word before 512754;1392682764;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22316 @ 0.0008745 = 19.5153 BTC [+] {2} 512755;1392682769;mircea_popescu;thecapitalr https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=465334.msg5143475#msg5143475 512756;1392682787;thecapitalr;yeah i saw that 512757;1392682788;mircea_popescu;davout it exists as a verb too. to reel = to shake from side to side. 512758;1392682793;thecapitalr;is that legit? 512759;1392682803;mircea_popescu;what do you mean is it legit. 512760;1392682825;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1773 @ 0.00018227 = 0.3232 BTC [-] {5} 512761;1392682842;thecapitalr;i mean are they really faking their numbers 512762;1392682866;mircea_popescu;seems the linked post is made out of fairly uncontroversial and easily checked statements. 512763;1392682889;mircea_popescu;the impugned cbtc stuff however doesn't meet the same standards. 512764;1392682907;punkman;anyone notice that doge-dice is making more money than just-dice? 512765;1392682944;mircea_popescu;in actual btc ? 512766;1392682946;pankkake;because it didn't have a nakowa early on, I suppose 512767;1392682947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00087415 = 20.3677 BTC [-] {2} 512768;1392682952;punkman;mircea_popescu: I think so 512769;1392682959;mircea_popescu;i defo never noticed that 512770;1392682959;pankkake;in total btc really?! 512771;1392682966;benkay;wow 512772;1392682967;mircea_popescu;how many trillions of doge does one need to bet ? 512773;1392682969;asciilifeform;re: reference client rewrite etc. : http://oglaf.com/chronotherapy/ 512774;1392682975;Duffer1;thecapitalr just keep your btc bro 512775;1392682999;thecapitalr;what do you mean? i own shares in the company already im thinking bout selling them 512776;1392683012;Duffer1;oh 512777;1392683016;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ahahaha epic 512778;1392683031;Duffer1;personally, I'd sell 512779;1392683033;mircea_popescu;thecapitalr you bought at 18 or w/e it was ? 512780;1392683044;thecapitalr;i bought two weeks ago at 18 512781;1392683058;pankkake;I bought months ago at 18. I sold 512782;1392683066;pankkake;well, 18 then 13, but. 512783;1392683094;kakobrekla;!t h cbtc 512784;1392683095;assbot;[HAVELOCK:CBTC] 1D: 0.00018001 / 0.0002106 / 0.00024700 (120310 shares, 25.33788095 BTC), 7D: 0.00002001 / 0.0001689 / 0.00025999 (1044852 shares, 176.47235917 BTC), 30D: 0.00002001 / 0.00013876 / 0.00025999 (2428517 shares, 336.98324991 BTC) 512785;1392683101;thecapitalr;ok thanks guys i gotta go ill probably sell it sketchs me out 512786;1392683118;pankkake;what's sketchy? I'm not following 512787;1392683321;mircea_popescu;thecapitalr as i usually say to people, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#511169 512788;1392683331;mircea_popescu;why ask two weeks after rather than two weeks before ? 512789;1392683347;asciilifeform;parachute theorem. 512790;1392683374;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09915 = 0.1983 BTC [-] {2} 512791;1392683496;thecapitalr;ha cause i just found this chat room 512792;1392683508;thecapitalr;and i thought that it was a good buy until i read that post on bitcointalk... 512793;1392683509;mircea_popescu;:p 512794;1392683591;asciilifeform;http://oglaf.com/game-death 512795;1392683602;ozbot;Game of Death 512796;1392683667;asciilifeform;provably fair: http://oglaf.com/bugfuck 512797;1392683735;mircea_popescu;http://media.oglaf.com/comic/legacy.jpg << obama's dream. 512798;1392683747;punkman;http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=OG-BOOK01&Category_Code=OG 512799;1392683750;asciilifeform;gorbama. 512800;1392683754;ozbot;TopatoCo: Oglaf Book One (Adults Only) 512801;1392683759;punkman;oglaf deserves some love 512802;1392683790;mircea_popescu;punkman i agree. sadly they don't respond to emails and don't have a (working) relationship with an agent and don't fuck anyone i fuck and so on. 512803;1392683813;mircea_popescu;consequently, the love will have to wait cause im not about to give topatoco w/e 20 dollars so some people i like can make 30 cents 512804;1392683821;peterl;does oglaf have a bitcoin donation address? 512805;1392683823;punkman;I gifted a book to a friend, not sure she appreciated it 512806;1392683834;peterl;xkcd does, I have donated 512807;1392683842;mircea_popescu;peterl whatever they have they don't pass the openbsd test 512808;1392683849;mircea_popescu;i guess much in the way thepiratebay doesn't. 512809;1392683854;mircea_popescu;people will have to learn to do this. 512810;1392683869;punkman;no word from piratebay yet? 512811;1392683870;peterl;what is the openbsd test? 512812;1392683905;BingoBoingo;peterl: Are you capable of accepting money for having done a good job pretty much. 512813;1392683909;mircea_popescu;the openbsd test is a venue where i can go hi take me to your leader and they do. 512814;1392683923;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0995 = 0.2985 BTC [+] 512815;1392683929;mike_c;!t h rent 512816;1392683929;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (337 shares, 1.85350000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (5354 shares, 29.44700000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (32725 shares, 179.98750000 BTC) 512817;1392683937;peterl;is that how openbsd got a bunch of money from you, by passing the test? 512818;1392683942;mircea_popescu;it doesn't HAVE to be an irc chan, but that's prolly the simplest implementation. 512819;1392683946;mircea_popescu;peterl yeah. 512820;1392684043;pankkake;weird as they even mention the channel https://thepiratebay.se/contact 512821;1392684139;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2014#498636 512822;1392684156;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 512823;1392684213;mircea_popescu;and also if anyone actually manages to get in contact, 512824;1392684213;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/the-strange-case-of-the-delusionist-and-later-stories/ 512825;1392684214;pankkake;someone told you to use exoclick? 512826;1392684218;ozbot;The strange case of the delusionist and later stories. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 512827;1392684237;asciilifeform;'dog sees master as large dog' theorem. 512828;1392684288;mircea_popescu;"equal sized dog of same gender and age" 512829;1392684295;asciilifeform;right 512830;1392684309;mircea_popescu;pankkake its what they use atm. 512831;1392684349;mircea_popescu;and since we're taking wired, blaze, washington post and all the rest of the crap, here's some interesting internets newz : 512832;1392684349;mircea_popescu;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2552177/Forget-Internet-soon-OUTERNET-Company-plans-beam-free-wi-fi-person-Earth-space.html 512833;1392684351;pankkake;sure, but the form has a "ad inquiries" choice 512834;1392684369;ozbot;New York company says it can beam free OUTERNET Wi-fi to every person on Earth | Mail Online 512835;1392684395;asciilifeform;why dignify this horror with a link ? 512836;1392684418;punkman;mircea_popescu: is wifi from satellite even feasible? 512837;1392684430;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's about on par with all the other media crap 512838;1392684433;mircea_popescu;you see a difference ? 512839;1392684449;mircea_popescu;punkman sure it is. in the sense the sec and italian govt and everything else are feasible, 512840;1392684451;asciilifeform;it comes with an extra helping of insult to the intelligence of a five-year-old ? 512841;1392684459;mircea_popescu;i would guess beaming skittles from mars is also feasible. 512842;1392684472;punkman;how is my puny wifi card gonna talk back to the sat though? 512843;1392684475;pankkake;so trees stop wifi but space doesn't! 512844;1392684486;mircea_popescu;power of wifi frindsheep ? 512845;1392684492;punkman;myeah 512846;1392684502;mircea_popescu;it's one way internet 512847;1392684504;mircea_popescu;like cable tv. 512848;1392684511;asciilifeform;i suppose there, somewhere in the jungles, there still lives a fellow who has seen neither end of a satellite tx/rx. 512849;1392684515;mircea_popescu;kinda what verizon and etc have been trying to build all along 512850;1392684531;asciilifeform;(the physical ends.) 512851;1392684655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00087372 = 29.6191 BTC [-] {2} 512852;1392684675;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/netad.jpg 512853;1392684737;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, where is that horror from ? 512854;1392684748;asciilifeform;i honestly can't remember where i lifted it 512855;1392684760;asciilifeform;the original seems to have vanished into the aether. 512856;1392684973;asciilifeform;http://oglaf.com/riteofpassage 512857;1392684978;ozbot;Rite of Passage 512858;1392685002;mircea_popescu;http://oglaf.com/habeas-corpus/ << the habeas corpus series made me irlol 512859;1392685009;ozbot;habeas corpus 512860;1392685044;peterl;if MP is reacing out to do advertisements, should we expect the price of S.MPOE to go up soon? 512861;1392685069;Apocalyptic;peterl, are you really expecting an answer to that ? 512862;1392685071;mircea_popescu;either that or down. 512863;1392685077;peterl;;) 512864;1392685117;punkman1;mircea_popescu: is this month gonna have more new accounts than previous one? 512865;1392685155;mircea_popescu;i guess we see when the reports come neh ? 512866;1392685213;mircea_popescu;http://media.oglaf.com/comic/vorpal_blade.jpg << this chicks got really nice tits. 512867;1392685448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37950 @ 0.00087665 = 33.2689 BTC [+] {3} 512868;1392685478;asciilifeform;meanwhile, at ft. meade: http://oglaf.com/trapmaster 512869;1392685875;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00087349 = 6.0271 BTC [-] 512870;1392685935;ThickAsThieves;that's the cartoon of Altcoin 512871;1392686383;thecapitalr;you guys like neobee? 512872;1392686412;thecapitalr;i threw .2 BTC into it a while back... not a whole lot obviously but enough to test the waters 512873;1392686424;benkay;what ams even neobee 512874;1392686440;kakobrekla;thecapitalr http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=43 512875;1392686447;benkay;if you're operating at the interface of fiat and bitcoin, you're going to have a bad time. 512876;1392686494;benkay;i'm much more of a niobe kinda guy 512877;1392686495;benkay;http://www.artrenewal.org/artwork/312/2312/10262/the_daughters_of_niobe-large.jpg 512878;1392686495;benkay;'cause you know 512879;1392686498;benkay;TITS 512880;1392686553;thecapitalr;lmao 512881;1392686607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22136 @ 0.00087326 = 19.3305 BTC [-] {2} 512882;1392686911;benkay;ThickAsThieves: what is the actual deal with Neobee after all? 512883;1392686931;kakobrekla;wait now i get it 512884;1392686945;kakobrekla;nubbins pissed cause neobee doesnt use him to print their shits 512885;1392687040;benkay;actualy neobee is a great name 512886;1392687075;pankkake;Neo & Bee 512887;1392687086;benkay;It was on occasion of the annual celebration in honor of Latona and her offspring, Apollo and Diana, when the people of Thebes were assembled, their brows crowned with laurel, bearing frankincense to the altars and paying their vows, that Niobe appeared among the crowd. Her attire was splendid with gold and gems, and her face as beautiful as the face of an angry woman can be. She stood and surveyed the people with haughty looks. "What 512888;1392687087;benkay;folly," said she, "is this! to prefer beings whom you never saw to those who stand before your eyes! Why should Latona be honored with worship rather than I? My father was Tantalus, who was received as a guest at the table of the gods; my mother was a goddess. My husband built and rules this city, Thebes; and Phrygia is my paternal inheritance. Wherever I turn my eyes I survey the elements of my power; nor is my form and presence 512889;1392687087;benkay;unworthy of a goddess. To all this let me add, I have seven sons and seven daughters, and look for sons-in-law and daughters-in-law of pretensions worthy of my alliance. Have I not cause for pride? Will you prefer to me this Latona, the Titan's daughter, with her two children? I have seven times as many. Fortunate indeed am I, and fortunate I shall remain! Will any one deny this? 512890;1392687098;benkay;oh pastebin 512891;1392687102;benkay;sorry guys 512892;1392687114;thecapitalr;i sitll like them... interested in seeing what happens on the 23rd after their ipo runs out 512893;1392687123;benkay;anyways, point is some mortal gets arrogant and struck down by the gods 512894;1392687141;benkay;thecapitalr: what were the terms of their ipo? "buy our stock at this price, trading begins on this date"? 512895;1392687153;benkay;three month gap between first stock on sale and first public trade? 512896;1392687203;thecapitalr;im not sure.. i honestly am just learning.. I know that their IPO price on LMB holdings is .003 but you have been able to trade it on havelock for a while. The price on havelock is also ~.003 512897;1392687220;thecapitalr;they are not selling it on LMB after the 23rd 512898;1392687278;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39600 @ 0.00087123 = 34.5007 BTC [-] 512899;1392687522;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.06882355 = 1.17 BTC [+] {4} 512900;1392687705;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00087077 = 22.4659 BTC [-] 512901;1392688209;benkay;i dunno man 512902;1392688214;benkay;i just don't see the genius, thecapitalr 512903;1392688237;benkay;i just don't see any good reason to move my btc into neo/bee's pockets 512904;1392688276;pankkake;I think it's the other way. you move your EURs 512905;1392688312;pankkake;if they manage to have many merchants in cyprus, why not? 512906;1392688321;pankkake;though the question is… what has bitcoin to do with it 512907;1392688357;benkay;i have 1 investment. 512908;1392688358;benkay;btc. 512909;1392688366;benkay;some speculative plays in mpoe, nsa 512910;1392688376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00086994 = 25.2283 BTC [-] 512911;1392688383;benkay;the fundamentals of neo/bee are horrible compared to the btc fundamentals. 512912;1392688384;pankkake;s.nsa is mostly an investment in btc at this point :) 512913;1392688398;benkay;it's got a nice bottom 512914;1392688400;benkay;HEYO 512915;1392688417;pankkake;I'm not discussing the merits of neo&bee as an investment 512916;1392688418;benkay;and by bottom i mean foundation? 512917;1392688424;herbijudlestoids;hullo guys, i wrote a new blog...because i was reading teh log.bitcoin-assets and saw i could earn teh nobel -assets price 512918;1392688425;benkay;o i am. 512919;1392688433;Apocalyptic;heh 512920;1392688435;benkay;what ams even blog, herbijudlestoids? 512921;1392688438;pankkake;yeah, but I think we would agree on it, so, nothing else to say ;) 512922;1392688446;herbijudlestoids;http://bitquant.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/intrinsic-value-and-smpoe-market.html 512923;1392688447;Alex_Vertiez;wtf is this chat 512924;1392688452;benkay;chasing that -assets economics award? 512925;1392688461;benkay;blogspot?! 512926;1392688469;ozbot;bitquant: Intrinsic Value and S.MPOE Market Implied EPS Growth 512927;1392688550;herbijudlestoids;enjoy :) 512928;1392688555;herbijudlestoids;feedback appreciated 512929;1392688559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00087087 = 26.039 BTC [+] {2} 512930;1392688591;pankkake;TL;DR 512931;1392688647;benkay;har trolling business partner 512932;1392688656;benkay;"it has curly braces! it must be javascript!" 512933;1392688900;benkay;regarding 'go' 512934;1392688916;benkay;the least google-able programming language. 512935;1392688996;pankkake;golang 512936;1392689091;pankkake;http://money.cnn.com/1999/07/12/deals/disney/ 512937;1392689112;ozbot;Disney absorbs Infoseek - Jul. 12, 1999 512938;1392689474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00087245 = 38.0388 BTC [+] {3} 512939;1392689496;benkay;i know pankkake - still a horrible name 512940;1392689750;KRS-One;makes me think of flat woman tits 512941;1392689752;KRS-One;.bait 512942;1392689771;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/e715b07435a41e84b6ab8361bc2c319b/tumblr_moqnk9qvtP1r563rvo1_1280.jpg 512943;1392690450;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 85 @ 0.00480078 = 0.4081 BTC [-] {4} 512944;1392690511;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 214 @ 0.00472864 = 1.0119 BTC [-] {8} 512945;1392690572;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 76 @ 0.00470001 = 0.3572 BTC [-] {2} 512946;1392690767;nubbins`;punkman1 512947;1392690786;nubbins`;curl http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/CF2950F23C844002 | gpg -d | pbcopy 512948;1392690798;nubbins`;replacing my OTPS url with yours, obv 512949;1392690838;nubbins`;wait, no, i mean davout 512950;1392690964;nubbins`;kakobrekla, tsk, accusing me of such things ;D 512951;1392691144;nubbins`;Namworld, chess? 512952;1392691243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13242 @ 0.00087415 = 11.5755 BTC [+] 512953;1392691253;Apocalyptic;nubbins`, wanna play ? 512954;1392691304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28806 @ 0.00086993 = 25.0592 BTC [-] {2} 512955;1392691305;nubbins`;yeah, just gimme a couple minutes to set up 512956;1392691387;benkay;u guys why ams even database password? 512957;1392691394;benkay;so much cargo cult 512958;1392691409;Apocalyptic;searching for nubbins`... I end up with http://www.chess.com/members/search?name=nubbins&country= 512959;1392691413;benkay;crazy rando db password 'cause what if cluster am breachified 512960;1392691421;benkay;password which is in source control. 512961;1392691433;nubbins`;that's not me, i don't have a chess.com account 512962;1392691451;Apocalyptic;was refering to the dog though 512963;1392691474;nubbins`;haha 512964;1392691491;nubbins`;not bad 512965;1392691513;nubbins`;anyway, if you hadn't offered to play, i would have burned my bread. just grabbed it in time 512966;1392691542;nubbins`;you want white or black? 512967;1392691546;pankkake;benkay: well don't put it in your source control silly 512968;1392691549;nubbins`;or should we flip a ;;coin 512969;1392691583;Apocalyptic;go ahead and flip 512970;1392691596;nubbins`;you call it! 512971;1392691596;benkay;pankkake: i'm talking about everyone else out there 512972;1392691598;benkay;and also ssh keys all the thing 512973;1392691641;pankkake;I haven't seen it much, but maybe because I usually influence those things 512974;1392691644;Apocalyptic;;;coin 512975;1392691644;gribble;heads 512976;1392691660;Apocalyptic;means i'm white 512977;1392691662;pankkake;a lot of frameworks allow you to keep some things separate easily 512978;1392691665;nubbins`;works for me 512979;1392691676;Apocalyptic;c4 512980;1392691687;benkay;i mean i just don't get it 512981;1392691696;nubbins`;c5 512982;1392691707;Apocalyptic;Nc3 512983;1392691707;benkay;unless you have the rigor to do a '12f' application, don't fuck around with cargocult 12fa 512984;1392691726;benkay;just lock the boxes with ssh and go smoke a bowl breh 512985;1392691732;nubbins`;e5 512986;1392691748;Apocalyptic;e4 512987;1392691753;decimation;ugh. reading net.cpp from bitcoind that asciilifeform pointed out yesterday is a crazy mess 512988;1392691759;decimation;random locks everwhere 512989;1392691771;benkay;link! 512990;1392691776;benkay;i demand a link 512991;1392691777;nubbins`;Ng6 512992;1392691778;pankkake;eh. postgres does not even require passwords, provided the querying user is in the right group or something 512993;1392691787;decimation;optimization for supposedly transparent features 512994;1392691798;benkay;see? it's great. 512995;1392691802;benkay;unpassword all the things 512996;1392691807;benkay;secure acces with *nix roles and ssh 512997;1392691814;benkay;sufficient for like 90% of cases 512998;1392691821;pankkake;I use tunnels for a lot of things 512999;1392691829;benkay;problem is everyone wants to think they're in the 10% of cases that need rigor 513000;1392691829;Apocalyptic; Ng6 << illegal move 513001;1392691836;pankkake;(not necessarily SSH tunnels) 513002;1392691837;nubbins`;sorry, Nf6 513003;1392691850;benkay;i keep a repl in production 513004;1392691860;Apocalyptic;d3 513005;1392691863;benkay;<- kidding 513006;1392691874;benkay;(sorta) 513007;1392691897;pankkake;and yeah, authentication on the protocol level is usually useless, redundant, and a liability (i.e. "can you really rely on it") 513008;1392691909;pankkake;I would never open a mysql server to the world, always use a tunnel 513009;1392691992;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids> hullo guys, i wrote a new blog...because i was reading teh log.bitcoin-assets and saw i could earn teh nobel -assets price <<< lawl 513010;1392691994;mircea_popescu;see, it werks! 513011;1392692006;nubbins`;Nc6 513012;1392692015;mircea_popescu;of course, blogspot can never qualify for assnob price 513013;1392692066;nubbins`;don't hate on the man's hosting! 513014;1392692090;pankkake;blogger makes static files and easily exportable data. not much to hate. 513015;1392692095;Apocalyptic;Bg5 513016;1392692096;pankkake;except it's from The Google 513017;1392692115;nubbins`;pff, as if staying away from blogger is going to make a difference there 513018;1392692117;mircea_popescu;decimation glad you're having fun :D 513019;1392692131;nubbins`;blogspot, even 513020;1392692153;pankkake;herbiju*: I'll provite leet hosting for a 5% cut of the prize 513021;1392692156;benkay;wake up nubbins 513022;1392692158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00087487 = 18.8097 BTC [+] {2} 513023;1392692161;benkay;it's 2014 nao 513024;1392692186;pankkake;it's tumblr now? 513025;1392692190;mircea_popescu;pankkake the extent of your demands makes roses wilt in the fields. 513026;1392692206;mircea_popescu;srsly, static filed and "easily" exportable data ? that's it ? 513027;1392692230;nubbins`;Be7 513028;1392692240;nubbins`;benkay, 20-what? 513029;1392692241;pankkake;it means you are free to move elsewhere quickly 513030;1392692248;mircea_popescu;herp. 513031;1392692250;nubbins`;WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN :D 513032;1392692254;mircea_popescu;so if i rape you with a door open that's good enough. 513033;1392692261;mircea_popescu;whenever you're done taking it in the ass you can move quickly 513034;1392692268;mircea_popescu;with a prolapsed colon and barefoot down the street. 513035;1392692273;pankkake;but how can blogger rape? 513036;1392692277;nubbins`;hah 513037;1392692280;Apocalyptic;Nf3 513038;1392692281;nubbins`;^ fair question 513039;1392692287;mircea_popescu;i dunno dood. say by putting a link TO THEMSELVES on your shit. 513040;1392692297;mircea_popescu;say by deciding which of your articles need a special click through page. 513041;1392692313;pankkake;the second you don't like it you can move out 513042;1392692320;mircea_popescu;say by disqus-ing your commenters avant disqus was invented even 513043;1392692329;nubbins`;Qd7 513044;1392692332;mircea_popescu;i bet that's how disqus was born, some ycombinated heads were sitting around and one went 513045;1392692333;nubbins`;sorry, Qc7 513046;1392692347;mircea_popescu;'you know what'd be really retarded ? if we made blogspot-style comment forms like a stand alone" 513047;1392692347;pankkake;typically disqus is shit because you don't have control of the comments 513048;1392692358;mircea_popescu;that second was in 1997. 513049;1392692385;benkay;maintain all files locally. 513050;1392692389;benkay;generate html 513051;1392692390;nubbins`;^ 513052;1392692392;benkay;push to arbitrary box. 513053;1392692393;pankkake;disqus exists because static blog generators didn't resolve the comments part; and making the result worse in the end! 513054;1392692420;pankkake;and until I have a mail-to-comment gateway, I'm sticking to wordpress 513055;1392692422;Apocalyptic;Bxf6 513056;1392692428;benkay;yeah the comment engine thing is a problem 513057;1392692436;benkay;not really a big problem in the grand scheme of things 513058;1392692441;nubbins`;Bxf6 513059;1392692449;benkay;but still leads to all sorts of derpage in public like disqus 513060;1392692462;mircea_popescu;dude srsly ? "next blog" ? 513061;1392692466;mircea_popescu;how is this bullshit even allowed to exist ? 513062;1392692498;Apocalyptic;Nd5 513063;1392692520;nubbins`;wordpress is okay 513064;1392692527;mircea_popescu;blog on blogspot, make a yahoo stores shop, bank with paypal, wtf is this, reddit ?! 513065;1392692547;nubbins`;Qa5+ 513066;1392692549;benkay;re: variety speak 513067;1392692556;benkay;variety speak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58-atNakMWw 513068;1392692557;pankkake;wordpress.COM has much less shit 513069;1392692565;pankkake;and well, you can go from the .com to your own instance 513070;1392692585;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 140 @ 0.0055 = 0.77 BTC 513071;1392692593;mircea_popescu;"This video is unavailable." 513072;1392692599;nubbins`;honestly the only hassle with wordpress.com is trying to funnel both your email and your web traffic through the same domain 513073;1392692603;nubbins`;inexplicably complicated 513074;1392692626;mircea_popescu;they too lazy to properly set up zones or something 513075;1392692646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2335 @ 0.00087709 = 2.048 BTC [+] 513076;1392692667;nubbins`;ehh, more likely that they'd just prefer you use wordpress.org instead 513077;1392692676;nubbins`;can't have too many features in the trial version 513078;1392692682;mircea_popescu;these too not necessarily contradictory :p 513079;1392692694;Apocalyptic;Nd2 513080;1392692905;nubbins`;Bg5Bg5 513081;1392692911;nubbins`;i mean uh, half of that 513082;1392692935;nubbins`;stopped to make sure it was a good move ;( 513083;1392692949;asciilifeform;q: any of you folks ever bitflipfuzz the referenceclient ? 513084;1392692975;asciilifeform;(or know of someone who has) 513085;1392693013;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it is actually remarkably stable to fuzzed chains 513086;1392693027;Apocalyptic;Be2 513087;1392693053;benkay;get a room, you two 513088;1392693072;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not classical fuzz, understand. bitflips. 513089;1392693080;asciilifeform;in arbitrary space. 513090;1392693084;asciilifeform;incl. instructions. 513091;1392693094;nubbins`;0-0 513092;1392693096;MisterE;like bitrot? 513093;1392693100;mircea_popescu;also http://vampires.wikia.com/wiki/The_Vampire_Dictionary 513094;1392693105;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you mean what, in the code ? 513095;1392693130;asciilifeform;correct. 513096;1392693131;Apocalyptic;f4 513097;1392693144;mircea_popescu;i dunno anyone actually did this, may make for a good blogpost 513098;1392693150;mircea_popescu;why, found anything interesting ? 513099;1392693168;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/UBbKmto.png 513100;1392693168;asciilifeform;mathematical view of this: what is the 'mutation-space' surrounding the 'correct' state like. 513101;1392693174;nubbins`;Bh4+ 513102;1392693195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00087803 = 1.4048 BTC [+] 513103;1392693198;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform somehow in my mental organisation what you propose comes way after a spec 513104;1392693217;asciilifeform;see, ex: 'bit-squatting' 513105;1392693239;Apocalyptic;g3 513106;1392693256;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07299999 = 1.095 BTC [-] {2} 513107;1392693317;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 153 @ 0.07344999 = 11.2378 BTC [+] {3} 513108;1392693431;nubbins`;Be7 513109;1392693457;nubbins`;maybe the worst move possible 513110;1392693494;Apocalyptic;fxe5 513111;1392693528;Apocalyptic;one of the worse indeed 513112;1392693572;nubbins`;not what i was expecting you to do. d6 513113;1392693647;kakobrekla;benkay at least its not jewtube links 513114;1392693711;Apocalyptic;Nxe7+ 513115;1392693744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00087844 = 6.5005 BTC [+] {2} 513116;1392693896;nubbins`;Nxe7 513117;1392693929;Apocalyptic;exd6 513118;1392693950;nubbins`;Nc6 513119;1392693988;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.528755 = 2.115 BTC [-] {4} 513120;1392693999;Apocalyptic;O-O 513121;1392694060;decimation;ascii do you want to get some measure of robustness to error? 513122;1392694061;nubbins`;Bh3 513123;1392694108;Apocalyptic;Rf4 513124;1392694171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1865 @ 0.00087803 = 1.6375 BTC [-] 513125;1392694248;nubbins`;Rae8 513126;1392694293;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0645 = 0.129 BTC [-] {2} 513127;1392694294;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.099 = 0.198 BTC [-] {2} 513128;1392694295;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2} 513129;1392694303;Apocalyptic;Nb3 513130;1392694325;nubbins`;Qa4 513131;1392694422;Apocalyptic;Rh4 513132;1392694512;nubbins`;Be6 513133;1392694582;Apocalyptic;Nxc5 513134;1392694600;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 513135;1392694606;nubbins`;bold 513136;1392694684;nubbins`;b5 513137;1392694710;nubbins`;maybe the second worst move possible 513138;1392694712;Apocalyptic;what 513139;1392694725;Apocalyptic;Nxa4 513140;1392694754;nubbins`;xa4 513141;1392694776;Apocalyptic;Qxa4 513142;1392694889;nubbins`;Rc6 513143;1392694894;nubbins`;sorry, Rc8 513144;1392694925;asciilifeform;http://i.imgur.com/z5OXztS.jpg 513145;1392694933;asciilifeform;'guess the gadget' 513146;1392694933;Apocalyptic;Bg4 513147;1392694999;nubbins`;hologram machine 513148;1392695013;asciilifeform;nubbins`: close. 513149;1392695026;nubbins`;always the bridesmaid, never the bride 513150;1392695042;nubbins`;g5 513151;1392695085;asciilifeform;'selective plane illumination' microscope. not relevant to anything, except that the photo inevitably leads to the thought, 'hate to be the one caught in an airport search with this.' 513152;1392695086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5908 @ 0.0008699 = 5.1394 BTC [-] 513153;1392695086;Apocalyptic;Bxe6 513154;1392695126;nubbins`;unless it's a canadian airport 513155;1392695127;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/pipe-bomb-handed-back-to-passenger-skylar-murphy-by-airport-guard-1.2497650 513156;1392695142;ozbot;Pipe bomb handed back to passenger Skylar Murphy by airport guard - Edmonton - CBC News 513157;1392695150;nubbins`;xe6 513158;1392695185;Apocalyptic;Rh5 513159;1392695403;nubbins`;Ne5 513160;1392695505;Apocalyptic;Qxa7 513161;1392695513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7269 @ 0.00087031 = 6.3263 BTC [+] 513162;1392695572;nubbins`;Nxd3 513163;1392695610;Apocalyptic;Qxh7# 513164;1392695624;Apocalyptic;gg, was bleeding you slowly 513165;1392695652;nubbins`;gg, didn't even see that coming :D 513166;1392696123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42883 @ 0.00087653 = 37.5882 BTC [+] 513167;1392696126;ThickAsThieves;amusing http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/3217394420001/lack-of-stability-making-bitcoin-too-risky-for-investors/#sp=show-clips 513168;1392696144;ThickAsThieves;it has Bitcorn, the only naysayer from the NY hearings 513169;1392696153;ThickAsThieves;what an unfortunate name 513170;1392696165;nubbins`;wait 513171;1392696168;nubbins`;that's his actual name? 513172;1392696187;ThickAsThieves;maybe not 513173;1392696188;ThickAsThieves;hehe 513174;1392696204;nubbins`;heh, had to check. apparently not :( 513175;1392696209;ThickAsThieves;he called it Bitcorn 513176;1392696213;ThickAsThieves;thats how he got the name, ok 513177;1392696222;ThickAsThieves;he says some lies 513178;1392696229;ThickAsThieves;but isnt totally predictab;e 513179;1392696611;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 500 @ 0.00470133 = 2.3507 BTC [-] {7} 513180;1392696897;mike_c;i love quants. "if we assume the market is correctly pricing this stock, then we can derive that this stock is overpriced" :) 513181;1392697021;benkay;dat kabbalah 513182;1392697038;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0997 = 0.2991 BTC [+] 513183;1392697107;mike_c;;;later tell herbijudlestoids it would be interesting to analyze s.mpoe price based on 2012 earnings and then see how that analysis would have performed over 2013. 513184;1392697107;gribble;The operation succeeded. 513185;1392697197;benkay;back test all the things 513186;1392697858;mircea_popescu; i love quants. "if we assume the market is correctly pricing this stock, then we can derive that this stock is overpriced" :) >> pretty much it. 513187;1392697897;herbijudlestoids;guise, i setup a page to grep the log.bitcoin-assets for mentions of my name 513188;1392697924;herbijudlestoids;mike_c: if what you quoted is what you took away from the blog post, i guess i must suck at communicating. 513189;1392697957;mike_c;you said priced efficiently, no? 513190;1392697961;herbijudlestoids;dude. 513191;1392697977;herbijudlestoids;i said, if we assume, for the sake of an experiment, that the market has priced efficiently, then this is what its implying as EPS growth 513192;1392698081;herbijudlestoids;theres nowhere that says its overvalued. the point is, you get paid a decent long term return if the implied EPS is <= actual future EPS. if its > then you dont. 513193;1392698153;herbijudlestoids;if you can somehow prove the price is (or isnt) locally efficient, then we can talk about how informative the price is 513194;1392698279;mike_c;"We are talking a range of 126% - 170% here" << i read into this a tone saying it was too high. not what you were implying? 513195;1392698308;mike_c;"that the Market Implied EPS Growth rate for S.MPOE is very, very high." 513196;1392698320;herbijudlestoids;... 513197;1392698322;mike_c;very very seems to be impying too high :) 513198;1392698331;herbijudlestoids;rest of the paragraph 513199;1392698333;herbijudlestoids;"This premium over normal fair values (compare to our earlier SPY example) assigned by the market under assumptions that EPS growth will be very large. Investors who pay the premium today will be rewarded with reasonable returns only if the actual future EPS growth averages at or above this level for a significant period of time. Otherwise the investment can reasonably be expected to provide a poor long term retur 513200;1392698381;benkay;the curse of technical fields 513201;1392698397;herbijudlestoids;is it really so hard to understand? 513202;1392698403;benkay;humans operating in those fields frequently lose the ability to communicate with others outside of those narrow, ultraspecialized fields. 513203;1392698407;mike_c;i don't care if you are saying it was too high, you are entitled to your opinion. 513204;1392698426;herbijudlestoids;mike_c: im not saying too high lol, im saying *this is what the market is implying EPS growth will be* 513205;1392698435;mike_c;so you have no opinion on the price? you are just a calculator? 513206;1392698442;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 49 @ 0.0053544 = 0.2624 BTC [-] 513207;1392698449;mike_c;have an opinion! 513208;1392698466;herbijudlestoids;i love people who love quants 513209;1392698488;herbijudlestoids;mike_c: whether or not i have an opinion really has shit all to do with the article 513210;1392698501;mike_c;ok, so forget the article. i am curious what your opinion is. 513211;1392698503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.0008755 = 44.0377 BTC [-] {2} 513212;1392698508;benkay;your opinion is what differentiates you from a calculator 513213;1392698521;benkay;quants like programmers want to be valued because they can make the numbers do stuff 513214;1392698534;benkay;but nearly always forget that the interpretation is where the real money's at 513215;1392698559;benkay;so: herbijudlestoids: mpoe: overpriced or no? 513216;1392698570;herbijudlestoids;you guys sure are weird sometimes. benkay, the point of the article is to highlight things that people might not know about. if i had some info or opinoin that MPOE was undervalued or overvalued, why would i put it on the blog for morons to see instead of just buying or selling MPOE? 513217;1392698582;mike_c;why not do both? talk your book. 513218;1392698588;benkay;'cause nobody's going to read your blog 513219;1392698590;Duffer1;Herbi you should paywall your blog, make them work for it ^.^ 513220;1392698600;benkay;yeah and talk your book 513221;1392698607;herbijudlestoids;fucken fuck so weird 513222;1392698626;benkay;what's weird about talking your book? 513223;1392698630;herbijudlestoids;no 513224;1392698631;herbijudlestoids;your atittude 513225;1392698632;herbijudlestoids;its weird 513226;1392698636;chetty;not greedy enough? 513227;1392698652;mike_c;you want an opinion out of me? s.nsa is underpriced. go ahead and trade on it. 513228;1392698663;benkay;hell yeah nsa's underpriced 513229;1392698667;benkay;get super long nsa 513230;1392698701;herbijudlestoids;mike_c: well it depends i guess. mircea_popescu was telling me something about 1% being the natural RoR in bitcoin under one calculation but in a different calculation 1000s of % 513231;1392698718;herbijudlestoids;if we are operating under assumption of bitcoin economy, i would say its fairly priced, not undervalued 513232;1392698720;benkay;loglink? herbijudlestoids 513233;1392698748;mike_c;add those thoughts to your post. it will improve it. blog readers like opinions with their stats. 513234;1392698771;Duffer1;herbi got a twitter feed? 513235;1392698783;herbijudlestoids;i do but its not bitcoin related Duffer1 513236;1392698818;mike_c;if your opinions can be as polarizing as mp's you can even charge for it. 513237;1392698821;herbijudlestoids;mike_c: see that is useful feedback which i appreciate. your earlier comments just get my grill. 513238;1392698835;mircea_popescu;fwiw, i don't think the entire "growth" bs is worth two shits. 513239;1392698838;herbijudlestoids;misread the post, misunderstood the point, derogate me based on that 513240;1392698854;mircea_popescu;a high price in btc does not reflect an expectation of that thing to grow. 513241;1392698865;mike_c;you gotta thicken your skin a bit. you get riled too easy. 513242;1392698873;mircea_popescu;to make eps etc comparisons between btc and fiat, fiat must first be converted on a % of m3 basis. 513243;1392698903;herbijudlestoids;there is no fiat involved and i explicitly state so at the end of the article 513244;1392698906;mircea_popescu;so inasmuch as google is worth 1% of all dollars today and 1% of all dollars in 2050, a high price of google stock is warranted at all points because google is important 513245;1392698913;mircea_popescu;imaginary "growth" in the interim notwithstanding. 513246;1392698927;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids seems to me all notions of growth are imported from fiat. 513247;1392698954;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: all securities have an internal rate of return 513248;1392698978;herbijudlestoids;if the price of S.MPOE does not include growth, then why am i paying more than its dividend value for it? 513249;1392698990;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 35 @ 0.07838228 = 2.7434 BTC [-] {6} 513250;1392698992;herbijudlestoids;because its important? 513251;1392699009;mircea_popescu;yep. 513252;1392699043;mircea_popescu;forget rate of return, focus on rate of conservation. 513253;1392699116;Duffer1;do you post that info anywhere MP? 513254;1392699121;herbijudlestoids;rate of conservation of ? 513255;1392699123;mircea_popescu;what info ? 513256;1392699127;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids of btc. 513257;1392699129;Duffer1;conversion rate 513258;1392699150;mircea_popescu;well it's all highly speculative, nobody has the first inkling wtf is going on here. 513259;1392699154;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: why do i need to buy a security then? the rate of conservation for holding bitcoin is 100% 513260;1392699159;mircea_popescu;but im attacking herbi because he's much too immersed into fiat nonsense. 513261;1392699165;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids so you think. it is not. 513262;1392699182;mircea_popescu;it's 9x% depending how competent you are with wallets and whatnot. 513263;1392699193;mircea_popescu;why do people bet on bitbet ? "so they can't spend the btc", sez someone yest. 513264;1392699198;herbijudlestoids;and investing in MPOE has ...a better rate of conservation? 513265;1392699214;herbijudlestoids;... 513266;1392699215;mircea_popescu;it may. 513267;1392699244;chetty;well mine has this silly habit of growing when I don't look too often :) 513268;1392699258;mike_c;plus inflation. bitcoins in the sofa will shrink on a % basis. 513269;1392699263;herbijudlestoids;chetty: your bitcoins grow? 513270;1392699291;mircea_popescu;mike_c this is actually true, tho at the rate we're going by the time btc moneyness reaches balance the remaining inflation will indeed be very low 513271;1392699305;mircea_popescu;but i suspect this is the overarching point here : 1% gains over a century are immense, 513272;1392699310;mircea_popescu;1% losses over a century are disastrous. 513273;1392699315;mircea_popescu;none of the 15% a year fiat bs. 513274;1392699340;mircea_popescu;btc time machine. 513275;1392699357;herbijudlestoids;so are you gonna explain it or do i just wallow in my retardedness 513276;1392699366;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids ask and be enlightened! 513277;1392699403;herbijudlestoids;im asking. you said focus on rate of conservation...i fail to see why i would invest in any security in that case, rather than investing in good wallet practices etc 513278;1392699416;mircea_popescu;you could invest in good wallet practices just as well 513279;1392699420;mircea_popescu;from what i gather in this chan most do. 513280;1392699460;mircea_popescu;apparently you don't ask very good q's :D 513281;1392699514;herbijudlestoids;youre saying something like...the rate of return is not important, this other rate, the rate at which an economic activity can "conserve" bitcoins 513282;1392699530;ThickAsThieves;so much work to say mpoe is spensive 513283;1392699530;mircea_popescu;anyway, let's consider the historical case as it played out. s.mpoe vs pmbs 513284;1392699546;mircea_popescu;which is pretty much what everything else is, with sparse exception. 513285;1392699565;mircea_popescu;a pmb will reward X% per interval, and decay Y% per interval, with Y > X for all cases. 513286;1392699591;mircea_popescu;mpoe is so structured shareholders can only make a gain. thus Y > 0, X =0. 513287;1392699606;mircea_popescu;trying to compare those Ys with these Ys misses both points. 513288;1392699611;mircea_popescu;X is actually more important than Y. 513289;1392699633;mircea_popescu;no other business in the history of business sits in this position of "can only turn a profit" 513290;1392699641;ThickAsThieves;well... 513291;1392699649;mircea_popescu;consequently models developed for evaluating what are fundamentally pmbs can not usefully be applied. 513292;1392699657;ThickAsThieves;can only lot lose money, maybe 513293;1392699660;ThickAsThieves;not* 513294;1392699672;ThickAsThieves;but even then 513295;1392699676;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves yeah, isuppose it can also be 0. 513296;1392699719;mircea_popescu;for that matter, even the s.mpoe mkt cap comparison to an actual comp is broken. 513297;1392699731;mircea_popescu;you'd have to compare s.mpoe mkt cap with an actual corp's mktcap - book value 513298;1392699738;mircea_popescu;altho that's also not quite accurate. 513299;1392699748;ThickAsThieves;for an many things as herb covered he only scratched the surface 513300;1392699751;mircea_popescu;in short... this is a complete nonsensical mess of wires sticking out. 513301;1392699763;Bugpowdurr;mircea_popescu: Q about exercise 513302;1392699763;ThickAsThieves;the answer is obvious nayway 513303;1392699771;mircea_popescu;Bugpowdurr shoot. 513304;1392699777;ThickAsThieves;there's only one way to price mpoe 513305;1392699782;ThickAsThieves;at market 513306;1392699784;mircea_popescu;up ? lol 513307;1392699793;ThickAsThieves;tada! 513308;1392699806;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids you enlightened any yet ? 513309;1392699857;Bugpowdurr;If there are 3000 contracts of an option outstanding sold to bot, then another user creates another 500 contracts, and then exercises them without selling them, does that force the exercise of a fraction of the previously sold options? 513310;1392699946;mircea_popescu;in principle yes. 513311;1392699966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00087279 = 5.2367 BTC [-] 513312;1392699967;mircea_popescu;atm the entire option thing is quarantined because of the price signal bs 513313;1392699981;ThickAsThieves;when wasnt it bs? 513314;1392700001;mircea_popescu;this is finance. bs is fine until it smells. 513315;1392700027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17735 @ 0.00087258 = 15.4752 BTC [-] {2} 513316;1392700032;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1632070/plain/) 513317;1392700032;ThickAsThieves;!b 3 513318;1392700065;Bugpowdurr;So exercising in borkled right now? 513319;1392700105;ThickAsThieves;this seems odd to me 513320;1392700117;Bugpowdurr;And in theory, a 3rd party could force exercise of someone else's short position by mkopt -> exercise chains? 513321;1392700120;ThickAsThieves;to buy options, and not have options 513322;1392700154;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: dude. i did not say MPOE was expensive. 513323;1392700165;ThickAsThieves;i did 513324;1392700199;ThickAsThieves;that;s what i took from it as well 513325;1392700214;ThickAsThieves;overpriced, tomatoe 513326;1392700215;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: if the price i pay today for MPOE is more than the total amount of gains that MPOE can bring in over say, 10 years, then it is a bad investment for people looking for assets to invest in for 10 years 513327;1392700227;mircea_popescu;Bugpowdurr how would they force someone's short position anyway ? 513328;1392700263;mircea_popescu;normally executions are distributed to actual held options randomly, but atm im holding the pre 14th set apart. 513329;1392700271;ThickAsThieves;10 years? 513330;1392700272;Bugpowdurr;"Bear in mind that whenever someone exercises options of your symbol you will be allocated a portion of the executions corresponding to your total share of created contracts for that symbol. Thus if you create 100 O.BTCUSD.C50T and someone else creates 150, in case there's an execution of 50 contracts you will be assigned 20 of those." 513331;1392700276;mike_c;hm 513332;1392700276;herbijudlestoids;no? 513333;1392700279;ThickAsThieves;that's like 100years in bitcoin 513334;1392700279;mike_c;you know you can sell it when you're done, right? 513335;1392700310;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids only if mpoe is to close shop in 10 years. 513336;1392700347;Bugpowdurr;I was thinking that someone could deduce whether the whale short the puts had been stopped out by MKOPT / EXERCISE a number of options and see how many were assigned to him vs. other. 513337;1392700349;ThickAsThieves;herb the problem with all that really is you can't apply your numbers without making assumptions, but in fact, only one assumption can be made, you're making too many assumptions 513338;1392700406;mircea_popescu;Bugpowdurr in principle this should work. 513339;1392700419;mircea_popescu;not in the case at hand tho. 513340;1392700427;Bugpowdurr;but doesn't at the moment due to unannounced options segregation 513341;1392700437;Bugpowdurr;Damn. 513342;1392700454;Bugpowdurr;Also damn, I'm on a network that doesn't let me send BTC. 513343;1392700459;herbijudlestoids;mike_c: if im dependent on the ask price at end of life then its a speculation not investment 513344;1392700459;mike_c;well, that was part of his point. the pmb will necessarily decay. mpoe won't. 513345;1392700460;herbijudlestoids;so, S.MPOE priced at 100BTC per share is just as good an investment as S.MPOE at 0.0000001 per share then 513346;1392700460;herbijudlestoids;is that what youre claiming? 513347;1392700460;mike_c;i'm not claiming that. 513348;1392700460;herbijudlestoids;i must be a complete moron 513349;1392700460;mike_c;well you are a quant :) (don't get mad now) 513350;1392700460;herbijudlestoids;... 513351;1392700461;mike_c;hm, try this. would s.mpoe returning 1% a year be the same to you as 7C returning 1% a year? 513352;1392700461;herbijudlestoids;7C? 513353;1392700461;mike_c;!t h 7c 513354;1392700462;assbot;[HAVELOCK:7C] 1D: 0.00414026 / 0.00414026 / 0.00414027 (23 shares, 0.09522599 BTC), 7D: 0.00330000 / 0.00447172 / 0.00787947 (266 shares, 1.18947875 BTC), 30D: 0.00310008 / 0.0051724 / 0.00789999 (1033 shares, 5.34308438 BTC) 513355;1392700462;mike_c;nvm, anything on havelock. 513356;1392700462;herbijudlestoids;uh...so youre talking about two securities, both with the same known future rate of return? 513357;1392700462;mike_c;no, i'm talking about with the same historicals (price and eps for last 6 months) 513358;1392700462;herbijudlestoids;sure, if so, i would value them identically 513359;1392700462;mike_c;oof 513360;1392700462;mike_c;really? come on. 513361;1392700462;herbijudlestoids;if you know the future rate of return will be the same then yes 513362;1392700462;mike_c;i said the same historicals. obviously no one "knows" the future rate of return. 513363;1392700462;herbijudlestoids;ok my conn just lagged out sorry reading up those lines 513364;1392700462;herbijudlestoids;mike_c: no i wouldnt value shit based on historical data alone? 513365;1392700463;herbijudlestoids;mike_c: i thought the article ...i just wrote...makes it pretty clear? if youre buying one asset based on the 6 month historicals, then the future has to play out in a certain way for your investment to not underperform. 513366;1392700463;mike_c;underperform compared to what though. 513367;1392700463;herbijudlestoids;compared to just holding BTC and taking no loss! 513368;1392700463;herbijudlestoids;mike_c: hold BTC, return 0%, hold overvalued asset for 10Y, sell asset, return -10% 513369;1392700463;herbijudlestoids;hold undeprriced asset for 10Y, sell asset, return +10% 513370;1392700475;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: i said *asset*. any of them, it doesnt matter. 513371;1392700476;ThickAsThieves;what the 513372;1392700488;Bugpowdurr;yikes 513373;1392700494;mike_c;freenode is not healthy right now 513374;1392700506;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: i am totally fine with valuing MPOE on a book value basis. so what is the current P/B multiple? 513375;1392700517;Bugpowdurr;Well... my little crafty experiment is a fail. 513376;1392700518;mircea_popescu;mpoe book = 0 513377;1392700522;mircea_popescu;is the problem 513378;1392700530;mircea_popescu;so p/b is infinite anyway. 513379;1392700546;Bugpowdurr;time for a good night's sleep. 513380;1392700548;Bugpowdurr;l8r 513381;1392700552;ThickAsThieves;peace 513382;1392700561;mike_c;herbi, have you done a dcf on mpoe? 513383;1392700630;herbijudlestoids;if yall were trying to explain something...or make me see some kind of light, im not seeing it 513384;1392700641;herbijudlestoids;mike_c: nope 513385;1392700649;mircea_popescu;whenever you seem just about to get it you retreat to declaring you ain't getting it 513386;1392700698;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00513044 = 0.2309 BTC [-] {3} 513387;1392700701;mircea_popescu;let's go yet another angle at this. 513388;1392700709;herbijudlestoids;pls stick to the angle 513389;1392700716;herbijudlestoids;you said focus on rate of conservation 513390;1392700720;mircea_popescu;if one continues to interpolate the current difficulty of mining curve, 513391;1392700728;mircea_popescu;the future value of bitcoin is pretty much infinite. 513392;1392700747;mircea_popescu;this makes the substitute p/b for any other way to get btc in the indefinite future also properly infinite. 513393;1392700761;herbijudlestoids;ok, i dont disagree with any of those statements 513394;1392700780;herbijudlestoids;i have some experience with the same concept re gold 513395;1392700788;mircea_popescu;basically the lot of what i'm saying is that there are no acceptable models to valuate here. 513396;1392700805;ThickAsThieves;well there's one 513397;1392700805;mircea_popescu;this will need more research rather than simple c/p stuff that really doesn't work in fiat anyway 513398;1392700807;ThickAsThieves;;) 513399;1392700820;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00018035 = 0.9018 BTC [-] {8} 513400;1392700821;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-] 513401;1392700822;herbijudlestoids;.... 513402;1392700827;herbijudlestoids;did anyone catch me valuating? 513403;1392700829;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves it's an indetermination (inf/inf) it'll have to be somehow resolved 513404;1392700831;herbijudlestoids;without me knowing? 513405;1392700844;ThickAsThieves;i dont think it can be 513406;1392700871;ThickAsThieves;i think it's like a currency rate burdened by indeterminable inflation rates 513407;1392700876;ThickAsThieves;can only be priced in the moment 513408;1392700881;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1564 @ 0.00017688 = 0.2766 BTC [-] {5} 513409;1392700882;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 187 @ 0.0051107 = 0.9557 BTC [-] {8} 513410;1392700883;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids sowhat were you doing ? 513411;1392700883;ThickAsThieves;at market 513412;1392700947;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: showing what the market is implying the EPS growth rate will be on an infinite horizon... 513413;1392700962;mircea_popescu;well i don't see i could disagree with that. 513414;1392700968;mircea_popescu;why are we arguing again ? 513415;1392700979;Duffer1;conversion rate 513416;1392700996;mircea_popescu;o wait. we are arguing because you're claiming you can calculate the eps growth. 513417;1392700999;mircea_popescu;this is not established. 513418;1392701004;ThickAsThieves;cuz someone said if things were different, things would be different or such 513419;1392701016;herbijudlestoids;cos you said some bullshit about my focus on growth coming from fiat and that i should focus on the rate of conservation 513420;1392701018;mike_c;Duffer1 :) that's the second time. are you deliberately misspelling conservation? 513421;1392701038;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids perhaps not the best expression of the concept, but anyway. 513422;1392701038;herbijudlestoids;ps: we arent arguing, i am questioning, to understand 513423;1392701051;mircea_popescu;what makes you think you can calculate the eps growth rate implied by the market ? 513424;1392701086;Duffer1;mike_c ah thanks i misread conservation 513425;1392701111;mircea_popescu;(don't get me wrong, i get the ample wtftude involved here. i humbly submit it's not because of me but because of fundamental issues stemming from the nature of btc) 513426;1392701127;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 513427;1392701187;herbijudlestoids;how do i know what...that the price of MPOE is derived from economic activities? 513428;1392701193;ThickAsThieves;maybe the price is cuz few holders hold most 513429;1392701195;mircea_popescu;each and every juncture of it. 513430;1392701200;ThickAsThieves;and those 3 guys dont feel like selling 513431;1392701216;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.0008739 = 11.0548 BTC [+] 513432;1392701218;mircea_popescu;one example. 513433;1392701218;ThickAsThieves;why does the market have to imply anything? 513434;1392701221;ThickAsThieves;how does it? 513435;1392701226;mircea_popescu;another : maybe s.mpoe is becoming monetized in a particular manner, 513436;1392701233;mike_c;the havelock market implies a lot of things 513437;1392701237;mircea_popescu;such as for instance as roughly the equivalent of a discounted us fed 513438;1392701253;mircea_popescu;wherein a number of large players keep pushing back and forth holdings of s.mpoe as tokens of credit 513439;1392701273;mircea_popescu;that's a theory explored in http://trilema.com/2012/is-smpoe-really-worth-that-much/ 513440;1392701291;ThickAsThieves;it's cuz Eve 513441;1392701293;mircea_popescu;and in general, the safe assumptions in fiat are at the very least suspect in btc. 513442;1392701294;ThickAsThieves;and Rift 513443;1392701310;mircea_popescu;o btw... the bitcoin guild in rift ? biggest thing on server. 513444;1392701312;mircea_popescu;> 700 ppl 513445;1392701323;herbijudlestoids;ok maybe i am making some assumptions, but i think those assumptions: 1. that the price of MPOE is derived from something, 2. that MPOE is an economic entity 3. that the price of MPOE is derived from that economic activity 513446;1392701325;ThickAsThieves;i contemplated reinstallation... 513447;1392701328;herbijudlestoids;those are pretty safe assumptions. 513448;1392701361;mircea_popescu;so you say. 513449;1392701362;ThickAsThieves;yes it's safe to assume MPOE is a thing with a price 513450;1392701384;herbijudlestoids;... 513451;1392701402;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids there's no compelling reason to believe the price of mpoe isn't derived from its value as a currency. 513452;1392701423;ThickAsThieves;i just dont see how you could possibly isolate anything useful 513453;1392701429;mike_c;is TWTR value derived from its economic activity or from pipe dreams about future potential? 513454;1392701444;herbijudlestoids;mike_c: value or price? 513455;1392701444;mircea_popescu;twtr value is defo not derived from any economic activity 513456;1392701449;ThickAsThieves;how do you factor liquidity? 513457;1392701451;mircea_popescu;fb/groupon/etc for that matter either. 513458;1392701460;herbijudlestoids;err exactly? right? 513459;1392701478;herbijudlestoids;the market implied EPS growth rate for FB/TWTR/GRPN are very very high. not as high as MPOE, but quite high 513460;1392701503;ThickAsThieves;people still buy grpn? 513461;1392701503;mircea_popescu;but yes, to complete the story : for all you know s.mpoe is the fractionary reserve of the btc superrich. for all you know s.mpoe is the doge of assets. for all you know s.mpoe is the golden ticket people dream with. 513462;1392701503;herbijudlestoids;if the economic activity (or lack theroef) in those assets does not provide an appropriate amount of EPS growth 513463;1392701506;ThickAsThieves;yeesh 513464;1392701526;herbijudlestoids;then investors will underperform relative to holding cash or the index 513465;1392701547;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids you seem strangely immune to the currency notion. 513466;1392701558;mircea_popescu;what exact economic activity does gold provide ? 513467;1392701563;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: no im willing to accept that 513468;1392701608;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: store of value which is hoardable without restricting the economy, non dilutable, no counterparty risk, etc 513469;1392701620;mircea_popescu;right. that's an angle i can't reduce or disprove. 513470;1392701644;mircea_popescu;for that matter, the other angle i can't reduce or disprove is "very small certain income > any other alternative, seeing how all other assets are -EV so far" 513471;1392701645;KRS-One;http://i.imgur.com/pU2lyce.jpg 513472;1392701655;mircea_popescu;and obviously, "dude it's a scam through and through" is a third. 513473;1392701671;KRS-One;.bait 513474;1392701671;mircea_popescu;can't fucking apply numeric methods on something this conceptually fragmented. 513475;1392701678;herbijudlestoids;so? still waiting to understand how my notion of "growth" is imported from fiat and why i should focus on the "rate of conservation" 513476;1392701681;mircea_popescu;which is why i love you. 513477;1392701682;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/4b5d8a295f96a1b95c479f7854c63718/tumblr_mugv6z3DjK1qgj6gdo1_1280.jpg 513478;1392701715;KRS-One;love that pic of magical tux 513479;1392701720;mircea_popescu;the value of the only asset which yields a + is pretty muchj... infinite 513480;1392701722;mircea_popescu;or unspecified 513481;1392701725;mircea_popescu;or "whatever it costs" 513482;1392701733;mircea_popescu;very prone to sudden volatility etc 513483;1392701758;herbijudlestoids;by the avg asset do you mean the shite on havelock or whatever? 513484;1392701773;mircea_popescu;well, glbse, take your pick. bitjam or w/e 513485;1392701777;herbijudlestoids;ye 513486;1392701791;mircea_popescu;you're in new york, all eateries serve excrement 513487;1392701791;herbijudlestoids;so youre talking relative valuation 513488;1392701793;herbijudlestoids;i am not. 513489;1392701800;mircea_popescu;human, goat, whatever. hispano, jew, you can pick it. 513490;1392701812;herbijudlestoids;MPOE is infinitely valuable compared to scams. sure. no worries, no argument. 513491;1392701815;mircea_popescu;obviously the seats in the one restaurant which serves food go by "how much people hungry can afford to pay" 513492;1392701817;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 588 @ 0.00017372 = 0.1021 BTC [-] {3} 513493;1392701819;herbijudlestoids;that is not what im talking about 513494;1392701820;mircea_popescu;this is no relation to economic activity. 513495;1392701829;herbijudlestoids;err well it totally is though 513496;1392701839;mircea_popescu;arguably! 513497;1392701844;mircea_popescu;but you need a much more... efficient! market 513498;1392701853;mircea_popescu;see ? that's what mike_c was basically saying originally. 513499;1392701877;mircea_popescu;currently bitcoin is woefully inefficient : people get beaten into shit, they turn around and reimplement the same thing. 513500;1392701880;mircea_popescu;and again and again. 513501;1392701881;herbijudlestoids;mike_c originally said that i assumed the market was efficient and therefore MPOE was overpriced. i did not saythat. 513502;1392701888;mircea_popescu;that's as antieconical as it gets. 513503;1392701907;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids stop being so fragile. he just said you're presuming the market is efficient and therefore oyu're stupid 513504;1392701975;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 11294 @ 0.00015837 = 1.7886 BTC [-] {5} 513505;1392701981;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: so, for the sake of experiment, we are not allowed to make assumption that MPOE price is locally efficient? thats stupid now? 513506;1392701982;mircea_popescu;antieconical lmao. they don't make e-cones zese pplz! 513507;1392702011;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids i r sorry but it is. pretty much any assumption of market efficiency in any bitcoin market is touched in the head. 513508;1392702048;mircea_popescu;(which again is proven by the diff curve, with its attendant problems, and by the fiat/btc prices, and by a thousand other glimmers) 513509;1392702067;ThickAsThieves;it would be less crazy to look at past data to see what that implies for the future 513510;1392702080;herbijudlestoids;ThickAsThieves: lolllllllll 513511;1392702086;mircea_popescu;not bad lol 513512;1392702094;herbijudlestoids;one tells me the assuming the price is efficient is stupid 513513;1392702099;ThickAsThieves;:) 513514;1392702102;herbijudlestoids;the next tells me you can infer future performance from the past inefficient price 513515;1392702104;mircea_popescu;he must have been trollingk 513516;1392702114;mike_c;however the altcoin market.. getting tight! 100 satoshi spread on x-bt 513517;1392702139;mike_c;fire up the day trading bots 513518;1392702149;mircea_popescu;why does nobody have nighttrading bots ? 513519;1392702153;mircea_popescu;i imagine they;'d be sexier. 513520;1392702164;herbijudlestoids;you cant really daytrade in a 24/7 market 513521;1392702174;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids anyway, don't let any of the foregoing impugn on your intelligence or usefulness for the space. 513522;1392702178;mircea_popescu;you're being useful. 513523;1392702185;herbijudlestoids;daytrading by definition is having no positions at close 513524;1392702186;ThickAsThieves;the "all" is silent in daytrading 513525;1392702210;mike_c;also, they aren't really "bots". just computer programs. 513526;1392702229;mircea_popescu;actually because of how credit works you can sort-of rolling-window-daytrade 513527;1392702238;mircea_popescu;as in, not have to rollover any day/week/whatever loans 513528;1392702240;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: like i said earlier. i dont view this as an argument, when i question it is just to learn. i am always willing to consider an opinion or formula or whatever, even if i dont accept it in the end. 513529;1392702261;herbijudlestoids;if you tell me something i dont understand, i will question. not to defend my existing view, which im happy to discard given evidence. 513530;1392702269;mircea_popescu;yeah but chat gets pretty hot and you're new, so. one never knows. 513531;1392702281;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17446 @ 0.00087253 = 15.2222 BTC [-] 513532;1392702296;chetty;http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/google-ngram-experiments/ 513533;1392702320;mircea_popescu;now that's cool 513534;1392702321;ozbot;Google NGram Experiments | Information Is Beautiful 513535;1392702357;herbijudlestoids;i like the ngram viewer much more than google trends 513536;1392702368;herbijudlestoids;but the data is not as realtime as trends 513537;1392702446;mircea_popescu;very well armed intellectually these peoples. 513538;1392702462;chetty;its never the tools fault 513539;1392702532;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: worse they present the data as if it was clear cut that now people like salsa more than ketchup, but there is probly algorithmic/computational reasons more than historical ones 513540;1392702551;herbijudlestoids;anyway. i cant stick around. i just came because mike_c said i said MPOE was overvalued. 513541;1392702565;herbijudlestoids;to be clear, if the RoR is 1%, its fairly valued, or slightly undervalued. 513542;1392702731;jurov;lolwat 513543;1392702800;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.072 = 0.72 BTC [-] 513544;1392702850;jurov;;;slap assbot 513545;1392702851;*;gribble slaps assbot with a variable biff 513546;1392702878;kakobrekla;thanks 513547;1392702886;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2014#513545 513548;1392702888;kakobrekla;works nao 513549;1392702902;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 513550;1392702916;mircea_popescu;cool 513551;1392703035;Duffer1;.d 513552;1392703055;ozbot;3129573174.52229 | Next Diff in 1833 blocks | Estimated Change: 6.3479% in 11d 21h 30m 20s 513553;1392703118;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+] {2} 513554;1392703371;cads;Wow these poor pokemon bastards have been stuck in a maze for 24 hours now. 513555;1392703421;cads;today it reached a new high - 75 thousand people mashing buttons desperately trying to get past what would normally take two minutes for a single player. 513556;1392703443;cazalla;what's that about cad? 513557;1392703445;cazalla;cads* 513558;1392703484;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00087073 = 17.4581 BTC [-] 513559;1392703505;cads;It's a completely absurd social experiment. Someone created a video feed of a pokemon game, and fed it to a well known distributor of live videogame video feeds, Twitch.tv. 513560;1392703582;cads;In the chat room (which is a regular IRC chatroom operated by twitch.tv) the broadcaster placed a bot that would interpret messages from players as key presses: players may register to the site to go on the chat and type "up" "down", "a", "b", etc. 513561;1392703597;cazalla;watching now 513562;1392703623;cazalla;btw my brother had the WR for fastest complete time for pokemon red on twin galaxies 513563;1392703633;cazalla;not sure if it still stands, this is years ago 513564;1392703638;cads;wow, definitely show him this 513565;1392703646;cazalla;we don't talk lol, not for years 513566;1392703654;cads;hehe 513567;1392703668;cads;sorry to hear 513568;1392703675;cads;(he probably knows anyways) 513569;1392703700;cads;everyone in the pokemon world is hearing about this if only because it's been tainting the pokemon memes. 513570;1392703727;cazalla;not sure if he still follows it, this was during uni for him 513571;1392703745;cazalla;i need to finish the latest one that came out 513572;1392703753;cazalla;only 3 or 4 badges done 513573;1392703778;mircea_popescu;wtf is the pokemon world o.o 513574;1392703853;cads;millions of people wasting billions of hours producing and consuming pokemon memes and other fan content 513575;1392703880;cads;along with the multinationals feeding off of them. 513576;1392703895;cazalla;shame they are yet to make mmorpg for pokemon 513577;1392703958;cads;It would be hard to mess that up. 513578;1392704013;Duffer1;have you seen wildstar? 513579;1392704036;mircea_popescu;you mean past the age of 12 ?! 513580;1392704040;Duffer1;some people dedicate lots of effort and money into fucking things up 513581;1392704059;cads;mircea_popescu: Do you know about ponies? 513582;1392704066;cazalla;yeah but i don't have the time for mmos anymore like wildstar 513583;1392704093;mircea_popescu;cads i know little girls ride them, occasionally... 513584;1392704132;cads;in the 21st century, little girls and middle aged men alike love ponies. 513585;1392704157;cads;it is highly disturbing. 513586;1392704174;cads;to see a man fawning over cute animated My Little Ponies 513587;1392704181;cads;but the profit 513588;1392704183;cads;oh the profit. 513589;1392704198;mircea_popescu;uh. 513590;1392704223;mircea_popescu;so bascially in the 21st century middle aged men are mentally infantile. 513591;1392704230;mircea_popescu;girls used to mature a coupla years before boys, 513592;1392704232;cazalla;pokemon and bronies are unrelated 513593;1392704233;mircea_popescu;now it's a coupla decades. 513594;1392704274;cads;cazalla: they're both products that are being enjoyed by an increasingly long tail of originally unexpected users 513595;1392704277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2704 @ 0.00087129 = 2.356 BTC [+] 513596;1392704279;Duffer1;i don't know if there's support for that statement caz hehe 513597;1392704317;cazalla;they're good games though 513598;1392704335;cazalla;and most gamers are adults afterall 513599;1392704343;cazalla;so you can't compare the 2 things 513600;1392704414;Namworld;Hmm... BTC.sx has a clear lack of capital. 513601;1392704420;cads;mircea_popescu: so 'moe' is a style of anime synonymous with "cute" and "budding" charachters that you want to lovingly "protect", and it's very popular with young girl audiences and middle aged male audiences. 513602;1392704435;mircea_popescu;that i heard of. 513603;1392704487;cads;My little pony was a failing toy brand that was rebranded by the hasbro corporation into a moe cartoon series called My little pony: friendship is magic. It was aimed at little girls but featured good writing and character design and pretty soon had a huge fan base of "bronies" 513604;1392704498;cads;these are "bros" that love my little pony. 513605;1392704540;mircea_popescu;ie all the people who find child porn either too expensive, too risky, or too socially inacceptable to directly discuss. 513606;1392704560;cads;that's about it, except behind the scenes of course there's all sorts of disgusting pony porn and yeah, I think you hit it on the head 513607;1392704573;jurov;bronies are middle age? i thought it's teenagers 513608;1392704626;mircea_popescu;which is how i got to hear about it, the anthropologists keeping track of the decay of the us cultural space noticed that it's not just that holywood can't make a film that's not either a very bad socialist tract or else a drug chain 513609;1392704653;cads;jurov: I'd hope the mass majority are teenagers 513610;1392704653;mircea_popescu;but moreover the prevalence of pedophilia is such that it look smore like the bitcoin hash debit than anything. 513611;1392704704;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.527 BTC [-] 513612;1392704716;Namworld;To me, "moe" can only mean Moe Szyslak. Nothing more. 513613;1392704741;cads;jurov: there was the case of the 30-something that was fired from his job. 513614;1392704749;Namworld;jurov, I thought bronies were mostly little girls under 10 and guys 30-50. 513615;1392704765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3896 @ 0.0008724 = 3.3989 BTC [+] 513616;1392704765;Namworld;With some huge age gap in-between 513617;1392704796;cads;Namworld: one of my exes has a 17 year old brother who is a brony. Kid is a robotics genius, and a ... pony genius. 513618;1392704799;cads;*shrug* 513619;1392704809;Namworld;eh 513620;1392704855;jurov;i guess these males got it inflicted upon them in the 1990s when original ponies aired 513621;1392704879;cads;I've got another friend and she has a brother that has an actual pony stamp tattoo. 513622;1392704893;cads;rainbow dash's storm cloud 513623;1392704915;cads;I myself know entirely too much my little pony stuff to not be afraid. 513624;1392704932;cads;*shrug* - meme poisoning 513625;1392705090;cads;jurov: I dunno, ponies were never in the male culture growing up, at best I would have seen commercials 513626;1392705124;cads;_maybe_ it's a sort of childhood brand recognition 513627;1392705230;cads;the really astounding thing with this and other memes in general is how much actual work goes into creating and distributing, discussing, criticizing, 'debating' memes. 513628;1392705269;cads;and how it's come to pass that corporations profit off of this content as if they made it, just by hosting it 513629;1392705292;jurov;i do remember them, it was a biggie for some time. fortunately i was not allowed much tv then 513630;1392705316;mircea_popescu;cads so how much profit exactly are we talking here ? 513631;1392705356;Namworld;I didn't have cable until like 2000 and I don't know when we got Internet... probably so late. 513632;1392705375;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00015811 = 0.3953 BTC [+] {3} 513633;1392705447;cads;Well like pageviews -> $s it's hard to quantify. It's a non-monetized time waste with leeches sucking at each juncture, so I'm not sure where to begin speculating on the profit 513634;1392705458;mircea_popescu;it is "hard to quantify" ? 513635;1392705461;mircea_popescu;what are you, in derp mode ? 513636;1392705473;mircea_popescu;Hasbro Reports Fourth Quarter and Full-Year 2013 Financial Results and Declares an Increase in Quarterly Dividend to $0.43 per Share 513637;1392705473;mircea_popescu;2013 full-year net revenues of $4.08 billion were flat with 2012 revenues of $4.09 billion; 513638;1392705482;cads;we have to look at aqcuisitions of large media providers like youtube and tumblr 513639;1392705494;mircea_popescu;2013 full-year net earnings were $372.4 million 513640;1392705504;Namworld;Advertising revenue is easy to quantify... 513641;1392705508;mircea_popescu;so the owner made like 400mn total, and they sell a lot of crap other than this stale meme. 513642;1392705525;mircea_popescu;let's call it 100mn generously and forget about it, 513643;1392705526;cads;Namworld: but the advertising revenue from people sharing memes? 513644;1392705536;mircea_popescu;it barely pays for a decent corporate jet. 513645;1392705550;mircea_popescu;cads i just did. 513646;1392705678;cads;mircea_popescu: my claim is that media distributors like youtube and facebook profit from hosting this unlicensed community created meme content, which is typically considered much more entertaining in itself than anything like the cartoons, dvds, or plushies made by the company. 513647;1392705727;jurov;hahaha what wikipedia has to say: According to Margaret Loesch, CEO of The Hub, revisiting properties that had worked in the past was an important programming decision, influenced to an extent by the opinions of the network's programming executives, a number of whom were once fans of such shows. 513648;1392705748;jurov;doubt these executives were female 513649;1392705802;mircea_popescu;cads so you're saying that the owner's profits from the franchise are dwarfed by the various leeches' ? 513650;1392705840;mircea_popescu;this proposition is frequently revisited but empirically always shown to be false. 513651;1392705851;mircea_popescu;it has a lengthy tradition i nthe ip business. 513652;1392706192;jurov;http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/02/14/oukoe-uk-romania-dolphins-idUKBREA1D1J920140214? 513653;1392706212;ozbot;In election year, Romania debates giving human rights to dolphins 513654;1392706220;jurov;and we have MP who lives off air and exchanges love with aliens, too :D 513655;1392706229;jurov;and wants to be a president 513656;1392706237;cads;I mean, youtube was acquired in 06 for 1.5 $bn of google stock. In the mean time google has grown to from 400 to 1200 a share. Suppose youtube grew proportionally with that and it's valued at $6bn. However youtube has grown far beyond what most people imagined. A 2012 boast from google values youtube at around $56bn. 513657;1392706429;cads;I don't think it makes sense to pretend youtube does anything other than make money off of other people's (chumps) content 513658;1392706473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21312 @ 0.00087124 = 18.5679 BTC [-] {2} 513659;1392706521;cads;and it's also hard for nintendo to tell youtube that some 12 year old kids' world record playthrough of pokemon needs to funnel back some ad money to nintendo 513660;1392706534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00087073 = 20.6363 BTC [-] 513661;1392706595;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.072 = 0.648 BTC [-] 513662;1392706662;cads;I mean, stupid shit like this live actions reenactment that got umpteen million views and pays the living wages of some internet famous douchebags, while putting 80% of the revenue into the coffers of youtube. 513663;1392706683;cads;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1h5TzdTq0o 513664;1392706700;ozbot;POKEMON IN REAL LIFE - YouTube 513665;1392707191;cads;The big social media aggregators - facebook, twitter, youtube, tumblr, basically make billions of market captilization / acquisitions, and all they do is hold onto content that users have put there willingly under a license that gives the corporation full rights to the content until it is deleted by the user. 513666;1392707270;cads;So these billion dollar valuations are all due to the fact that people are too stupid to run distributed media channels or protest a bad contract clause and are willing to sit through advertisements. 513667;1392707352;jurov;cads, where would you put a video you suspect may get mildly popular? on your adsl? pay for a webhosting? 513668;1392707422;cads;if I was making a revenue stream the latter sounds ideal, but of course I understand that my revenue stream would be even _bigger_ if I syndicate my content with youtube. 513669;1392707485;cads;their marginal cost is so much smaller than mine 513670;1392707503;cads;to them they don't even notice if I get slashdotted. For me it might take me out of business for a day. 513671;1392707518;mircea_popescu;cads so basically you'd like this to be worth a lot is what igather. 513672;1392707531;jurov;also, i do run misc p2p stuff and even with 60mbit uplink on my home connection i get annoying dns resolving problems occassionally 513673;1392707535;cads;not a lot, but enough to be worth studying 513674;1392707548;mircea_popescu;maybe. 513675;1392707564;mircea_popescu;you have a large number of mistaken assumptions baked in, tho. 513676;1392707571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 240 @ 0.00087152 = 0.2092 BTC [+] 513677;1392707580;mircea_popescu;" make billions of market captilization / acquisitions, and all they do is hold onto content that users have put there willingly under a license that gives" 513678;1392707595;mircea_popescu;there is absolutely no relation between the content bs and the acquisitions/mkt cap game. 513679;1392707596;mircea_popescu;none. 513680;1392707612;mircea_popescu;if one day btc-e pulls a vircurex and lists itself as an asset, and pumps the price like they do 513681;1392707641;mircea_popescu;you going on about how the trollbox is worth thousands of btc because some scammer somewhere traded what he purpots to be 1% of some crap with himself at an implied valuation of fiddy billion 513682;1392707648;mircea_popescu;would be equally ridiculous. 513683;1392707686;mircea_popescu;the trollbox may have some value, but that value is not visible in how much doge goes for. 513684;1392707843;Mats_cd03;how important is having more nodes, exactly 513685;1392707850;Mats_cd03;is it measurable at all 513686;1392707881;mircea_popescu;i suspect it's one of those things like wearing condoms 513687;1392707892;mircea_popescu;one day we'll find out exactly how important it would have been 513688;1392707893;jurov;Mats_cd03: for me it makes clear difference that my txs propagate nicely 513689;1392707900;jurov;that's all i need to know 513690;1392707965;Mats_cd03;i wonder how much bandwidth the network consumes 513691;1392708006;Mats_cd03;i wouldnt mind running a node if i knew what i was contributing 513692;1392708019;mircea_popescu;so run one, it helps. 513693;1392708027;mircea_popescu;doesn't eat that much bw, kbps. 513694;1392708037;Mats_cd03;would 2tb/month be enough 513695;1392708055;mircea_popescu;;;calc 2000000 / 30 /24/3600 513696;1392708055;*;jurov looks 513697;1392708056;gribble;0.771604938272 513698;1392708062;mircea_popescu;definitely 513699;1392708089;mircea_popescu;it doesn't do 771 kbps, it does something like 30 513700;1392708109;jurov;up 46 days,TX packets 1728363356 bytes 1580097315893 (1.4 TiB) 513701;1392708127;Mats_cd03;ill start a droplet 513702;1392708148;cads;blah I hate how easy hard math turns out to be after a couple years of study. That makes you feel like you were an idiot 2 years ago. 513703;1392708149;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1400000/46 / 30 / 24 / 3600 513704;1392708150;gribble;0.011741814278 513705;1392708161;jurov;bitcoind does cause 10mbit+ spikes, if someone with ssd pulls the blockchain from me 513706;1392708167;cads;And the difficulty of the math you're currently studying assures you feel like an idiot presently. 513707;1392708169;jurov;but it averages out 513708;1392708195;mircea_popescu;cads wut ? 513709;1392708208;Mats_cd03;i have $60 in digital ocean credit so its all good 513710;1392708309;cads;mircea_popescu: math that kicked my ass 2 years ago is now super trivial, and yet the math that's kicking my ass today still seems tough 513711;1392708332;mircea_popescu;how it goes hehe 513712;1392708374;cads;I should just smartly recognize that it's just as trivial as the old math, and solve it just as easily in one stroke 513713;1392708380;cads;but alas 513714;1392708424;mircea_popescu;lol 513715;1392708436;mircea_popescu;the girl you love today has but a cunt just like your ex 513716;1392708448;mircea_popescu;you should smartly recognise they're just the same and be done with it 513717;1392708450;mircea_popescu;but alas. 513718;1392708669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00087012 = 6.2649 BTC [-] {2} 513719;1392709340;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00087166 = 14.9926 BTC [+] {2} 513720;1392709340;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1215 @ 0.00015683 = 0.1905 BTC [-] {7} 513721;1392709463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44544 @ 0.00086944 = 38.7283 BTC [-] {4} 513722;1392709483;MisterE;LMAO: http://imgur.com/YwmzEck 513723;1392709659;cads;hmm, a year ago reddit raised a million dollars an a 400 million dolar valuation 513724;1392709707;cads;can you guys suggest a business model for reddit that would actually make money? 513725;1392709767;cads;it already had 18 million in the bank 513726;1392709889;cads;the reason they took the million is to open the business for buyin and input from silicon valley investors 513727;1392709967;cads;when they were spun out in 2011 they started with 20 mil, and they have been operating the popular online social forum and news syndication site with a "very lean staff" 513728;1392710002;cads;so they eat about a million of each year and there's really no way I can see for them to make money 513729;1392710011;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.002989 = 0.2092 BTC [+] 513730;1392710067;Duffer1;it will be interesting to see if they'll be able to unobtrusively monetize the site 513731;1392710111;cads;the funny thing is they think they're going to be able to get non-shitty ideas from VCs with 5% buyins. 513732;1392710201;cads;I dunno 513733;1392710208;cads;what would you guys do? 513734;1392710226;cads;jurov, mp? Duffer1, you're a reddit fan? 513735;1392710228;Duffer1;ya they've essentially said they're not creative enough to figure it out, so at least they recognized they need help 513736;1392710271;jurov;do about what? monetizing reddit? 513737;1392710290;Duffer1;it has intrinsic flaws that make me not read the comments, but i still browse daily for headlines 513738;1392710333;cads;"we spent half a mill on consultants alone so far and nothing. Time to bring in the leeches" 513739;1392710390;Duffer1;i don't believe that will end well for them, but i'm not creative enough to figure it out either so who am i to say 513740;1392710428;cads;jurov: yeah, they need a business plan because right now they just give a fun free news platform for all 513741;1392710438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.0008718 = 7.4539 BTC [+] 513742;1392710481;cads;a reddit video news channel? 513743;1392710490;Duffer1;the comments are already weaponsgrade stupid, perhaps the us military will step up to fund the disinformation platform of the new century 513744;1392710561;Duffer1;reddit has infinite value to any organization looking to shape american perceptions 513745;1392710635;cads;"we have the power to determine when trolls swarm a topic" 513746;1392710655;MisterE;cads: some richpeople will step in and fund reddit 513747;1392710658;cads;just a tiny parameter tweak in the voting mechanism 513748;1392710661;MisterE;like they did BSD 513749;1392710671;MisterE;reddit is going nowhere 513750;1392710676;MisterE;just like wiki 513751;1392710678;cads;independently rich tech types? 513752;1392710682;MisterE;yea 513753;1392710692;cads;that just love their reddit and coffee? 513754;1392710693;MisterE;a Ellison or Bezos 513755;1392710695;MisterE;an* 513756;1392710706;MisterE;yea and becasue Swartz started it 513757;1392710756;MisterE;reddit was a cliquey thing before it blew up and most were techies / libertarians 513758;1392710769;MisterE;I wish someone would do a docu on reddit 513759;1392710855;cads;On the plus side if it ever goes down nerds will just put it back up 513760;1392710913;MisterE;^ this too 513761;1392710925;MisterE;like TPB it's well mirrored 513762;1392711070;cads;haha, slashdot seems to be doing better 513763;1392711075;cads;ish. 513764;1392711116;cads;they started a tv channel a couple years ago, and were acquired for 20 mil by a holding company that same year. 513765;1392711183;cads;apparently last october the company rolled out some interface changes that have incited the users into anger. The users "Slashcotted" slashdot this past week :P 513766;1392711372;MisterE;yea we boycotted them all last week 513767;1392711377;MisterE;I unsubbed from newsletter 513768;1392711379;MisterE;etc. 513769;1392711384;MisterE;getting most from Ars now 513770;1392711401;MisterE;still /. fills a niche no one else does 513771;1392711435;MisterE;their comment threading is shit and the beta made it much worse 513772;1392711455;MisterE;community pushed back and CmdrTaco kept ramming it down our throats 513773;1392711478;cads;? 513774;1392711478;MisterE;I think he learned his lesson he posted a mea culpa 513775;1392711526;MisterE;sec I get linky 513776;1392711644;MisterE;this kinda started it: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3322099 513777;1392711700;Diablo-D3;wait 513778;1392711704;Diablo-D3;people still read slashdot? 513779;1392711946;MisterE;cads: the fuckers pulled it from the site 513780;1392712051;Diablo-D3;>community 513781;1392712055;Diablo-D3;>CmdrTaco 513782;1392712060;MisterE;ty 513783;1392712061;Diablo-D3;srsly? you're going to pull that card? 513784;1392712084;Diablo-D3;what community, and thats always been his fucking site, no matter whos actually owned it 513785;1392712090;Diablo-D3;he does what he goddamned pleases 513786;1392712094;Diablo-D3;its why its been shit since day one 513787;1392712122;Diablo-D3;and I have a 5 digit slashdot UID, I fully well know what slashdot used to be 513788;1392712125;Diablo-D3;it hasnt changed 513789;1392712135;MisterE;yea 513790;1392712144;MisterE;I have a 5 digit uid too! 513791;1392712173;MisterE;it's always been a somewhat benevolent dictatorship 513792;1392712238;Diablo-D3;slashdot is up to what, 8? 9? now? 513793;1392712243;Diablo-D3;does it even display UIDs anymore? 513794;1392712251;MisterE;yes 513795;1392712256;MisterE;3 millionish 513796;1392712420;MisterE;http://meta.slashdot.org/story/14/02/06/2329227/slashdot-tries-something-new-audience-responds 513797;1392712423;ozbot;Slashdot Tries Something New; Audience Responds - Slashdot 513798;1392712573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20326 @ 0.00086967 = 17.6769 BTC [-] 513799;1392712872;MisterE;fuck them for taking down their mea culpa 513800;1392712899;*;MisterE I'm a send him a can of Spotted Dick: http://www.amazon.com/Heinz-Spotted-Dick-Pudding-10-5oz/dp/B000LAYC6C 513801;1392712939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49152 @ 0.00086907 = 42.7165 BTC [-] 513802;1392713610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21027 @ 0.00086967 = 18.2866 BTC [+] 513803;1392713671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3515 @ 0.00087092 = 3.0613 BTC [+] 513804;1392713857;Vexual;hi 513805;1392713970;Vexual;r3wt was ere? 513806;1392714039;Vexual;i think i can guess the mad genius that orchestrated that 513807;1392714071;jurov;hi Vex, indeed 513808;1392714096;Vexual;hey jurov, did i spell orchestrated incorrectly? ;) 513809;1392714109;jurov;why? 513810;1392714156;Vexual;jj you often seem to correct my spelling when im tipsy, which i like 513811;1392714290;jurov;no you spelled that correctly afaik. i was referring to content, it was very lulzy 513812;1392714341;jurov;within 5 minutes we have shown he doesn't know php or js 513813;1392714347;Vexual;id like to speak to r3wt 513814;1392714452;jurov;maybe he'll come back, he seems eager lo learn 513815;1392714452;MisterE;why would someone claim they know php / js and don't? 513816;1392714471;MisterE;like you can't fool people 513817;1392714571;benkay;one can hop from scam to scam quite handily doing that for a while 513818;1392714577;benkay;the internet is a biiiig place 513819;1392714585;Vexual;and small 513820;1392714595;benkay;some say 513821;1392714606;benkay;cost of identity is still low 513822;1392714611;benkay;we'll see how things change when that does 513823;1392714659;benkay;in other news i offered a startup against whose api i'm working a deal on some documentation 513824;1392714673;benkay;their poor devs were like "oh god yes save us from the documentation" 513825;1392714689;benkay;(all unaware of my inability to correctly satoshize a bitcoin) 513826;1392714700;Vexual;lol 513827;1392714710;benkay;few days go by 513828;1392714730;benkay;"hey dudes, here ams rate sheet, figure you only will be interested in 1/4 time" 513829;1392714740;benkay;"OMG IP AND CORE COMPETENCIES AND ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG" 513830;1392714752;benkay;*sigh* 513831;1392714764;benkay;whatever happened to getting the job done? 513832;1392714778;Vexual;yeah it's these managerial types 513833;1392714810;benkay;it's hilarious 513834;1392714825;benkay;their previous startup has burned through like 20M in capital, and isn't even dead yet 513835;1392714830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00086902 = 30.4592 BTC [-] {2} 513836;1392714846;benkay;bankruptcy walking, but the sharks are still just circling. 513837;1392714857;benkay;praying for a successful pivot, i warrant. 513838;1392715054;Vexual;you might like to try an alcohol habit, come back from lunch saying "hang on a darn tooter!" 513839;1392715074;Vexual;not relly 513840;1392715224;benkay;i kinda think fuck single page javascript apps 513841;1392715240;benkay;but that's a damn hard line to hold in this consulting environment 513842;1392715260;benkay;wait no hang on they're great in some applications 513843;1392715269;benkay;argh engineering what even ams a tradeoff 513844;1392715379;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC 513845;1392715440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11312 @ 0.00087092 = 9.8518 BTC [+] 513846;1392715684;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 439 @ 0.00299 = 1.3126 BTC [+] 513847;1392716477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26960 @ 0.00087113 = 23.4857 BTC [+] {2} 513848;1392716660;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00299 = 0.1076 BTC [+] 513849;1392716843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18707 @ 0.0008718 = 16.3088 BTC [+] 513850;1392716904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17593 @ 0.00087272 = 15.3538 BTC [+] 513851;1392717148;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+] 513852;1392717331;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00299 = 0.2093 BTC [+] 513853;1392718047;moiety;mowning all 513854;1392718246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.0008701 = 21.97 BTC [-] {2} 513855;1392718259;Diablo-D3;http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/176676-graphene-nanoribbons-could-be-the-savior-of-moores-law 513856;1392718272;ozbot;Graphene nanoribbons could be the savior of Moore’s Law | ExtremeTech 513857;1392718369;jurov;what would you use 1e12 transistors for? you'd need to parallelize everything on order of 1e3 513858;1392718387;jurov;that's really useful only for mining and such 513859;1392718551;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 443 @ 0.002989 = 1.3241 BTC [-] 513860;1392719150;Namworld;Eh: http://static1.fjcdn.com/comments/4957483+_e37a66eb929934ae4d40c3919b04641e.jpg 513861;1392719284;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 250 @ 0.0055 = 1.375 BTC 513862;1392719285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00087269 = 23.6063 BTC [+] {2} 513863;1392719893;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 205 @ 0.002989 = 0.6127 BTC [-] 513864;1392719959;moiety;hahaha 513865;1392720747;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00086875 = 16.5497 BTC [-] {2} 513866;1392720930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00087079 = 24.3386 BTC [+] 513867;1392721113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00087079 = 24.9046 BTC [+] 513868;1392721540;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5275 = 1.055 BTC [+] {2} 513869;1392721967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.00087079 = 28.9973 BTC [+] 513870;1392721967;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 356 @ 0.00299 = 1.0644 BTC [+] 513871;1392722028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00086857 = 12.4206 BTC [-] 513872;1392722760;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9000 @ 0.00017493 = 1.5744 BTC [+] {6} 513873;1392722821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00086855 = 24.2325 BTC [-] {2} 513874;1392722882;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1500 @ 0.00084449 = 1.2667 BTC [+] {4} 513875;1392723004;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 986 @ 0.00043495 = 0.4289 BTC [+] {4} 513876;1392723858;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.075005 = 0.15 BTC [-] {2} 513877;1392724285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00087079 = 7.0969 BTC [+] 513878;1392724529;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 615 @ 0.00017499 = 0.1076 BTC [+] {3} 513879;1392724895;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 109 @ 0.00299033 = 0.3259 BTC [+] {2} 513880;1392725444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00086986 = 26.9657 BTC [-] {4} 513881;1392726115;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34255 @ 0.00087305 = 29.9063 BTC [+] {2} 513882;1392727030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50050 @ 0.00086846 = 43.4664 BTC [-] {2} 513883;1392727396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19977 @ 0.00086822 = 17.3444 BTC [-] {2} 513884;1392727457;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39423 @ 0.00086796 = 34.2176 BTC [-] {3} 513885;1392727823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15195 @ 0.00086762 = 13.1835 BTC [-] {3} 513886;1392727945;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3004 @ 0.0001901 = 0.5711 BTC [+] {6} 513887;1392728006;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00019899 = 0.2985 BTC [+] {2} 513888;1392728067;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2001 @ 0.00019899 = 0.3982 BTC [+] {4} 513889;1392728250;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.1 = 1 BTC [+] 513890;1392728372;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 541 @ 0.00019101 = 0.1033 BTC [-] 513891;1392728555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46600 @ 0.00086553 = 40.3337 BTC [-] {2} 513892;1392729043;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00020997 = 1.0499 BTC [+] {6} 513893;1392729653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00086482 = 7.9996 BTC [-] 513894;1392729714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19452 @ 0.00086447 = 16.8157 BTC [-] {2} 513895;1392730202;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.1 = 1 BTC [+] 513896;1392730263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.0008642 = 11.7099 BTC [-] 513897;1392731056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33810 @ 0.00086646 = 29.295 BTC [+] {2} 513898;1392731117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16890 @ 0.00086747 = 14.6516 BTC [+] 513899;1392731788;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07199999 = 0.144 BTC [-] 513900;1392731912;davout;Apocalyptic: encore une victoire pour canard 513901;1392731917;Apocalyptic;heh 513902;1392732410;nubbins`;absent cads: i had a tenant who was an adult male brony, also 80% sure he was a pedophile 513903;1392732435;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: romania has dolphins?! 513904;1392732701;asciilifeform;perhaps in soviet-era military delphinarium? 513905;1392732703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24775 @ 0.00086451 = 21.4182 BTC [-] 513906;1392732722;asciilifeform;(where the beasts were taught to fight with knives) 513907;1392732755;nubbins`;oh, wait, romania borders the black sea, doesn't it 513908;1392732764;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.1 = 0.6 BTC [+] 513909;1392732765;nubbins`;for some reason i pictured it as being landlocked 513910;1392732933;ThickAsThieves;first Neo branch is built out: http://i.imgur.com/KrD2SlD.jpg 513911;1392733003;gx;ThickAsThieves what's that? 513912;1392733019;gx;looks sexy 513913;1392733029;nubbins`;fancy 513914;1392733089;gx;doesnt look like a lot of room for storage tho :P 513915;1392733090;gx;haha 513916;1392733120;nubbins`;why do people bother with masked hostnames on irc 513917;1392733130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00086343 = 26.5936 BTC [-] {2} 513918;1392733191;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 305 @ 0.000845 = 0.2577 BTC [+] 513919;1392733679;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.072 = 1.44 BTC [+] 513920;1392733877;ThickAsThieves;bitcoins dont take much space ;) 513921;1392733900;ThickAsThieves;also note they occupy the 2nd and 3rd floor of that same building 513922;1392733906;gx;what is neo? 513923;1392733921;gx;i can only hope that someday our offices for coinigy are 1/2 as cool looking 513924;1392733929;ThickAsThieves;a bitcoin un-bank 513925;1392733940;ThickAsThieves;i never sorted out a perfect term for it 513926;1392733949;ThickAsThieves;I suggest coining "finserv: 513927;1392733954;ThickAsThieves;finserv 513928;1392733984;ThickAsThieves;suggested* 513929;1392733988;ThickAsThieves;...coffee 513930;1392734003;ThickAsThieves;casinobitcoin guy is mad at me now 513931;1392734045;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.072 = 0.792 BTC [+] 513932;1392734411;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 323 @ 0.002991 = 0.9661 BTC [+] 513933;1392734412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00086246 = 13.4975 BTC [-] 513934;1392734427;nubbins`;why's that, you held up a mirror? 513935;1392734466;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=472946.0 513936;1392734467;ozbot;Need btc Donations for Kidney Transplant 513937;1392734468;nubbins`;sounds legit 513938;1392734533;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 34 @ 0.058965 = 2.0048 BTC [-] {5} 513939;1392734570;ThickAsThieves;pretty much 513940;1392734584;nubbins`;best way to get people mad at ya 513941;1392734594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00086475 = 22.8294 BTC [+] {2} 513942;1392734599;ThickAsThieves;mpoe-pr made the mirror 513943;1392734605;ThickAsThieves;i just said 'hey look' 513944;1392734612;nubbins`;that's a thing she does, yep 513945;1392734645;nubbins`;less entertaining than it once was. i think she's getting tired 513946;1392734657;ThickAsThieves;i wrote him a respectful insightful reply 513947;1392734659;ThickAsThieves;maybe he listens 513948;1392734683;ThickAsThieves;i think she just needs better targets 513949;1392734689;ThickAsThieves;with BTCT, etc gone 513950;1392734694;ThickAsThieves;slim pickins 513951;1392734704;ThickAsThieves;unless you wanna take CryptoStocks srsly 513952;1392734733;ThickAsThieves;candy crush is gonna IPO, lol 513953;1392734748;nubbins`;well, poking fun at tweedleherp and tweedlederp can onl... wait, really? 513954;1392734753;ThickAsThieves;"better to burn out than to fade away" 513955;1392734765;nubbins`;candy crush: the saga continues 513956;1392734774;ThickAsThieves;http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/18/king-digital-in-ipo-filing-crushes-it-on-revenue-profit/?mod=WSJBlog 513957;1392734775;nubbins`;they should get wu-tang to do them a theme song 513958;1392734797;ozbot;King Digital, in IPO Filing, Crushes It on Revenue, Profit - MoneyBeat - WSJ 513959;1392734800;ThickAsThieves;King Digital sounds like a rap name too 513960;1392734803;nubbins`;nod 513961;1392734886;ThickAsThieves;http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2014/02/18/50000-bitcoin/ 513962;1392734889;ozbot;Could there be a $50,000 bitcoin? - Term Sheet 513963;1392734994;ThickAsThieves;another banker death http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/18/j-p-morgan-employee-falls-to-death-in-hong-kong/?mod=WSJBlog 513964;1392735015;ThickAsThieves;"Police described that death as non-suspicious." lol 513965;1392735045;nubbins`;http://live.wsj.com/video/faa-grounds-drone-beer-delivery-service/AF9F9299-F538-4892-AC37-A143AB85D523.html?mod=WSJ_article_outbrain&obref=obnetwork#!AF9F9299-F538-4892-AC37-A143AB85D523 513966;1392735055;nubbins`;that's a large amount of url 513967;1392735070;ozbot;Video - FAA Grounds Drone Beer Delivery Service - WSJ.com 513968;1392735094;nubbins`;"police described the death as no big deal" 513969;1392735153;ThickAsThieves;hmm there's a new WSJ Karpeles interview? 513970;1392735155;ThickAsThieves;must find 513971;1392735245;ThickAsThieves;http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304899704579388483531937144?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304899704579388483531937144.html 513972;1392735249;ozbot;Mt. Gox Shows Bitcoin's Growing Pains - WSJ.com 513973;1392735265;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 139 @ 0.002991 = 0.4157 BTC [+] 513974;1392735318;ThickAsThieves;"In the email interview, Mr. Karpelès responded to questions about the company's solvency or protection for customers' funds by saying that the matter is confidential. " 513975;1392735325;ThickAsThieves;i cant find said interview 513976;1392735365;nubbins`;"i can't comment on whether or not we're insolvent, that's confidential" 513977;1392735562;ThickAsThieves;lol 513978;1392735565;ThickAsThieves;insane 513979;1392735630;ThickAsThieves;CBTC guy declined my advice 513980;1392735631;ThickAsThieves;oh well 513981;1392735754;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.097 = 0.582 BTC [-] 513982;1392736058;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] 513983;1392736119;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.0243001 = 0.486 BTC [-] {3} 513984;1392736261;ThickAsThieves;in case anyone wants to light up a comment section: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/10274/glass-boxes-bitcoin-investments-real-time-transparency/ 513985;1392736297;ThickAsThieves;the author: "Kent spent a decade in the trenches trading, researching, and writing about equities and options. A advocate for civil liberties and open information, he produces and performs cyberpunk music as SEVEN7HWAVE. Currently Kent oversees digital marketing for Pixorial - a disruptive video and photo sharing service." 513986;1392736392;nubbins`;SEVEN7HWAVE 513987;1392736395;nubbins`;fucking brutal 513988;1392736403;nubbins`;THIR13EN GHOSTS 513989;1392736409;nubbins`;SE7EN 513990;1392736425;nubbins`;SU6K MY DI6K 513991;1392736457;nubbins`;"a disruptive website" 513992;1392736462;nubbins`;"cyberpunk" 513993;1392736472;ThickAsThieves;disruptive tweets 513994;1392736473;nubbins`;they forgot to mention that he's obviously an insufferable twat 513995;1392736484;ThickAsThieves;you forgot to use decentralized 513996;1392736488;ThickAsThieves;he 513997;1392736488;nubbins`;boy, these photos and videos sure are disrupting me 513998;1392736501;nubbins`;his music is disruptive 513999;1392736506;nubbins`;MCing shows via wi-fi 514000;1392736520;nubbins`;cybercloudpunk 514001;1392736668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35819 @ 0.00086498 = 30.9827 BTC [+] {3} 514002;1392736806;gx;can someone give me the lowdown on how MPEX works 514003;1392736812;gx;is it something i can actually throw BTC in and trade on? 514004;1392736852;ThickAsThieves;it is 514005;1392736856;gx;oh, i see the faq now 514006;1392736857;kakobrekla;check the missing manual 514007;1392736861;gx;so i assume it's all api-based 514008;1392736947;kakobrekla;i use it by hand 514009;1392736958;kakobrekla;but i think im one of the few 514010;1392736994;gx;ah, i see 514011;1392737000;gx;this looks interesting 514012;1392737034;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 422 @ 0.00299201 = 1.2626 BTC [+] {2} 514013;1392737056;gx;need a 30 btc minimum buy in? 514014;1392737064;kakobrekla;or use coinbr.com 514015;1392737096;kakobrekla;;;google mpex missing manual 514016;1392737097;gribble;MPEx Missing Manual : BitcoinStocks - Reddit: ; MPEx: The Missing Manual 6 - Options - serialized delusions: ; MPEx: The Missing Manual 5 - Account statements and transfers ...: D 514518;1392753682;ThickAsThieves;where does cannabit operate anyway? 514519;1392753704;pankkake;you mean s.laughter 514520;1392753710;pankkake;I'm waiting for s.lut myself 514521;1392753741;pankkake;ThickAsThieves: I think "it's a secret" - forums are down so can't check 514522;1392753747;deadweasel;Florida, home of the DEA. 514523;1392753760;KRS-One;aint that the truth 514524;1392753783;mod6;why florida? 514525;1392753792;ThickAsThieves;Sunshine State! 514526;1392753806;ThickAsThieves;old people 514527;1392753810;ThickAsThieves;tourism 514528;1392753818;KRS-One;florida was ground zero for the 'pill mill' thing where addicts went dr. shopping for any dr. who would prescribe pain killers then they'd resell them 514529;1392753840;KRS-One;funny you can still drive around and still see abandoned store fronts that were once 'pain clinics' 514530;1392753855;KRS-One;I wonder how many doctors are sitting in prison right now who once had it all. 514531;1392753859;mod6;well, you can get a lic for co or wa today iirc. 514532;1392753861;ThickAsThieves;now all i see is Vape shops 514533;1392753863;mod6;just grow indoor. 514534;1392753881;KRS-One;Anyone besides me here in FL? 514535;1392753893;mircea_popescu;mod6 lots of old people, 514536;1392753894;deadweasel;KRS-One, if they had it all, they wouldn't be selling pill illegally? 514537;1392753895;mircea_popescu;and home of the dea. 514538;1392753897;ThickAsThieves;all these people putting god knows what into themselves with offbrand ecig flavorings 514539;1392753903;mod6;ahh. 514540;1392753904;ThickAsThieves;i'm in FL 514541;1392753913;ThickAsThieves;i dont want to be, but i am 514542;1392753928;ThickAsThieves;fukn wife just landed a better job too... 514543;1392753931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00086454 = 11.0661 BTC [+] 514544;1392753932;KRS-One;ThickAsThieves same here..sucks for I.T. I'm in south FL, aka little "New York" 514545;1392753947;mircea_popescu;buncha old jewish princesses ? 514546;1392753954;deadweasel;JAPs 514547;1392753983;KRS-One;mircea_popescu: you bet 514548;1392753990;mircea_popescu;pankkake so you're in paris, make me something i can call s.lut 514549;1392753992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.00086497 = 27.679 BTC [+] {3} 514550;1392754006;pankkake;what's the relation with paris? 514551;1392754008;KRS-One;deadweasel: the doctors were giving out big time prescriptions and billing insurance for medical services. Typical caselod was probably 150%-200% of what it should have been without the unnecessary prescriptions. 514552;1392754020;pankkake;oh, lutèce ? :) 514553;1392754024;mircea_popescu;pankkake isn't that where the s lol 514554;1392754029;ThickAsThieves;french gaming company, call it Lüt 514555;1392754034;mircea_popescu;where the sluts live ? intl capital of sluttery ? 514556;1392754045;pankkake;meh 514557;1392754056;pankkake;more bitches than sluts 514558;1392754071;mircea_popescu;s.bit doesn't have the same bite to it. 514559;1392754075;KRS-One;Boca Raton FL is like little "New York" and jewish american princesses abound. 514560;1392754083;ThickAsThieves;Leisure Under the Table 514561;1392754094;mircea_popescu;del boca vista raton, florida. 514562;1392754095;KRS-One;Some are quite hawt. 514563;1392754103;KRS-One;del boca what lol 514564;1392754116;KRS-One;There is Del Rey Beach 514565;1392754131;ThickAsThieves;we have a Treasure Island too 514566;1392754132;KRS-One;yeh those are typical names 514567;1392754140;KRS-One;ThickAsThieves where is Treasure Island? 514568;1392754145;ThickAsThieves;maybe good place for S.POT 514569;1392754151;ThickAsThieves;off cost of Tampa 514570;1392754155;ThickAsThieves;coast 514571;1392754186;KRS-One;oh cool 514572;1392754186;KRS-One;http://www.mytreasureisland.org/ 514573;1392754196;kakobrekla;pankkake its called a laughing stock, not a laughter stock. 514574;1392754197;KRS-One;I've been to Tampa, party town. Girls were nuts there. 514575;1392754198;ozbot;Welcome to City of Treasure Island, Florida 514576;1392754217;mircea_popescu;we already had K.S.Laughter anyway 514577;1392754217;KRS-One;I dont like the west coast..the gulf is a sesspool. 514578;1392754217;pankkake;kakobrekla: but, slaughter 514579;1392754222;kakobrekla;FU 514580;1392754228;kakobrekla;..rate -500 514581;1392754291;mircea_popescu;for the people who actually understand graphs and math shit like that, herbi, cads, etc : 514582;1392754293;kakobrekla;o look a zillion dorra forum is down 514583;1392754305;mircea_popescu;what'd be the likely effect on the wot if the ratings were free up to maxint ? 514584;1392754314;mircea_popescu;obv the sum total would just be w/e modulo maxint 514585;1392754346;deadweasel;KRS-One: The gulf is a cesspool, yes. but it's MY cesspool ^_^ 514586;1392754356;KRS-One;haha you too? 514587;1392754358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9668 @ 0.00086571 = 8.3697 BTC [+] 514588;1392754382;deadweasel;raised in S.Texas. Oooh, i like th sound of that. S.Texas 514589;1392754387;KRS-One;East coast, Atlantic = Best beaches until you get to Sebastian, Daytona 514590;1392754403;KRS-One;Did you see much from the oil disaster there 514591;1392754412;ThickAsThieves;so the US residents active in this channel are majority floridian? that can't be 514592;1392754412;deadweasel;mississipi river dumps all the farmers gobshite into the gulf. death ensues. 514593;1392754424;KRS-One;thats right, sesspool 514594;1392754432;deadweasel;i'm NNE states 514595;1392754438;deadweasel;now 514596;1392754461;mircea_popescu;it's like california, florida and new york 514597;1392754467;mircea_popescu;you know, where money and broadband lives. 514598;1392754489;KRS-One;mircea_popescu: there sure isnt any I.T. here in Florida..I've got to get my ass to California at some point. 514599;1392754490;deadweasel;and we're overrun by brown people. 514600;1392754495;deadweasel;whom we LOVE. 514601;1392754505;deadweasel;because yards don't clip themselves 514602;1392754510;*;deadweasel censors self 514603;1392754529;davout;hello 514604;1392754530;ThickAsThieves;my lawn guy is white 514605;1392754548;KRS-One;my guy is mexican and i dont know how he gets it all done so fast 514606;1392754554;*;Jere_Jones is catching up 514607;1392754568;mircea_popescu;KRS-One ask the wife ? :D 514608;1392754568;*;Jere_Jones is in Florida as well 514609;1392754576;KRS-One;LMAO!!! 514610;1392754581;deadweasel;haha 514611;1392754581;ThickAsThieves;lol 514612;1392754594;KRS-One;As long as he keeps the bushes trimmed =D 514613;1392754598;deadweasel;my mom had a tennis coach for a while, pretty sure they were fucking 514614;1392754602;deadweasel;but maybe not, who knows 514615;1392754609;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1y9mnx/yes_its_official_ben_lawsky_has_agreed_to_the/ 514616;1392754610;mircea_popescu;i knew there was some bush comedy-value-add in there somewhere. 514617;1392754618;KRS-One;deadweasel: The important thing is that she was happy. As long as our parents are happy right? 514618;1392754620;ThickAsThieves;mp did he acknowl your twet? 514619;1392754624;deadweasel;yup, agreeed 514620;1392754628;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i didn't look lessee 514621;1392754629;deadweasel;they are still happy 514622;1392754630;ozbot;Yes, it's official, Ben Lawsky has agreed to the Reddit AMA : Bitcoin 514623;1392754659;mircea_popescu;Someone who curses in public is strongly signaling 1) substance, 2) no hypocrisy, 3) freedom of opinion... But he is not necessarily right. 514624;1392754664;mircea_popescu;whoa check out mr taleb 514625;1392754672;mircea_popescu;i really like that guy more and more wtf. 514626;1392754716;davout;black swan is supposedely an awesome read 514627;1392754724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00086336 = 24.3468 BTC [-] {3} 514628;1392754731;ThickAsThieves;lawsky likes his supernintendo meme 514629;1392754749;mircea_popescu;davout factually. 514630;1392754758;kakobrekla;what meme 514631;1392754765;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves see you made me go on twitter now im spending mah bitcoins, 514632;1392754771;mircea_popescu;you'll be the poverty of me. 514633;1392754790;davout;worth being ordered? so be it 514634;1392754794;ThickAsThieves;"Andreas discusses the value of decentralization IN ALL THINGS." oh noes 514635;1392754795;mircea_popescu;definitely. 514636;1392754807;mircea_popescu;anyway, no, the lawsky fellow is still wallowing in his own irrelevance. 514637;1392754844;ThickAsThieves;he'll be bitcoin jesus next week 514638;1392754872;mircea_popescu;lmao now this is a good bitbet : 514639;1392754881;mircea_popescu;first us official to be arrested over bitcoin stuff. 514640;1392755018;davout;ThickAsThieves: not sure if good or new bruce wagner 514641;1392755029;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 79 @ 0.0055 = 0.4345 BTC 514642;1392755090;ThickAsThieves;i think lawsky actually loves bitcoin 514643;1392755107;ThickAsThieves;and is just trying to do his job 514644;1392755115;kakobrekla;like nsa loves privacy 514645;1392755147;ThickAsThieves;while a funny juxtapos, no 514646;1392755197;kakobrekla;he did express some feelings re dogecoin though. 514647;1392755235;ThickAsThieves;his job is probably impossible though 514648;1392755248;ThickAsThieves;to mate his world and bitcoin's 514649;1392755261;ThickAsThieves;regardless of his bias 514650;1392755298;ThickAsThieves;http://jezebel.com/meet-the-woman-who-straight-up-rocks-a-beard-1525265585?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow 514651;1392755307;ozbot;Meet the Woman Who Straight-Up Rocks a Beard 514652;1392755334;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07496329 = 0.8246 BTC [+] {3} 514653;1392755486;deadweasel;beardo 514654;1392755594;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves possibly. 514655;1392755627;mircea_popescu;is jezebel the dyke site ? 514656;1392755660;mircea_popescu;"Starting at 11, her polycystic ovary syndrome made her hair growth really dramatic, the Huffington Post reports. She tried shaving, bleaching, waxing twice a week but nothing quite worked. In school, she was bullied, called names like "beardo" and "she-male," because people seem to think it's okay to act like a complete fucking monster." 514657;1392755671;mircea_popescu;and... it isn't ? 514658;1392755713;kakobrekla;im sorry but lotsa hair does not imply 'shemale', noobs. 514659;1392755725;mircea_popescu;a beard ?! 514660;1392755739;mircea_popescu;dude, everyone i know *in that way* is shaved down there. 514661;1392755741;davout;kakobrekla doesn't get fooled into sex that easily 514662;1392755753;kakobrekla;lol 514663;1392755767;mircea_popescu;lmao 514664;1392755793;ThickAsThieves;can you electrolysis the face? 514665;1392755826;ThickAsThieves;ha i didnt even know this existed: https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/4081-altcoin-atc-information/ 514666;1392755850;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves basically your role in the atc ecosystem is to be hijacked 514667;1392755855;mircea_popescu;you're the HJO. 514668;1392755896;mircea_popescu;" tells you everything about the dev who I will guess could care less about how is coin appears to us miners. 514669;1392755896;mircea_popescu;which ill add without us miners the coin is nothing ... devs need to sell us, show us its worth out hardware, time, n electric 514670;1392755896;mircea_popescu;otherwise ... he can sit at home and solo mine every coin himself. " 514671;1392755906;mircea_popescu;teh miners tell it like it is yo! lol 514672;1392755924;ThickAsThieves;hehe 514673;1392755943;ThickAsThieves;they wanna be pitched 514674;1392755952;ThickAsThieves;maybe i'll go in there waiving bounties around 514675;1392755964;ThickAsThieves;no one takes me up on them anyway 514676;1392755993;mircea_popescu;lol splendid way to end up alt-bankrupt 514677;1392756001;Apocalyptic;https://www.newaltex.com/ another cc exchange sigh 514678;1392756013;ozbot;Newaltex - MINT/BTC Market 514679;1392756032;mircea_popescu;"totally agree. What dev will do for a sample, if chain will have some bug and he still not got profit to pay real developer for fix?" 514680;1392756047;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic there will be ~5k of these. 514681;1392756065;Apocalyptic;mircea, yeah it's the new trend, everyone got to make one 514682;1392756077;mircea_popescu;"At present we experience difficulties with the e-mail server. The pool is transferred to a mode of service and will be postponed for other hosting." 514683;1392756083;pankkake;want to lol? read https://cryptorush.in/index.php?p=faq 514684;1392756085;mircea_popescu;none of these people are english native speakers are they. 514685;1392756090;pankkake;also, they have the fake altcoin 514686;1392756121;mircea_popescu;Please check out https://www.newaltex.com/ ALT/BTC pair added ready for some trading. Its a fairly new site but growing daily. Really cool dev too. 514687;1392756131;mircea_popescu;o the same one hehe 514688;1392756165;Apocalyptic;yeah got the link from there 514689;1392756166;mircea_popescu;off of it's users 514690;1392756194;Apocalyptic;thay have over600 ATCs on asks 514691;1392756202;mircea_popescu;The trade engine will trade only with orders that match your desired trade rate. This means that if you submit an order with a rate of .10, it will only match with other orders with a rate of .10, not .12 or .08. There is no dynamic rate calculation present right now in the Crypto Rush trade engine. 514692;1392756224;mircea_popescu;this sounds like it shgou;d partner with that clickclick guy 514693;1392756239;mircea_popescu;We are sorry for causing any inconvenience with this method. Please keep this in mind while trading, and that it's not a bug but still being worked on while Crypto Rush is in Beta. 514694;1392756248;mircea_popescu;Wallets are stored separate from the site, we backup often. We built from the ground up with security in mind 514695;1392756249;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 198 @ 0.0008455 = 0.1674 BTC [+] 514696;1392756294;pankkake;cryptorush also has negative balances 514697;1392756316;ThickAsThieves;wait is ALT=ATC? 514698;1392756322;ThickAsThieves;at newaltex 514699;1392756322;pankkake;no 514700;1392756327;ThickAsThieves;oh 514701;1392756352;mircea_popescu;o look #cryptorush 514702;1392756358;mircea_popescu;they have a webirc embed on the page. 514703;1392756381;dub;cryptocrush? 514704;1392756399;*;dub invents next big thing 514705;1392756403;Apocalyptic;cryptorush claims to have : Total BTC volume:2,800.36597993 514706;1392756426;mircea_popescu;http://linkandzelda.com/ << this is the owner 514707;1392756429;ozbot;Linkandzelda's Projects | The Home Of Everything I Do 514708;1392756435;ThickAsThieves;http://bbs.wabigong.com/thread-835-1-1.html 514709;1392756438;mircea_popescu;we know it to be so because his homepage has an irc which also embeds webirc the same way 514710;1392756475;mircea_popescu;he has a hosting whitelabel, a pokemon community... 514711;1392756479;mircea_popescu;this dude either is usagi 514712;1392756487;mircea_popescu;or else should have usagi's babies. 514713;1392756585;pLambert;I got a coinbase phishing email today. It was very convincing. 514714;1392756658;davout;a phishing e-mail pretending to be a legitimate scam company, heh 514715;1392756662;mircea_popescu;lol 514716;1392756676;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1634938/plain/) 514717;1392756676;kakobrekla;!b 3 514718;1392756695;mircea_popescu;so im currently tryign to buy facebook followers from the cryptotard in his irc channel 514719;1392756709;mircea_popescu;curious what comes of this. there's ~150 people there but nobody says anything 514720;1392756721;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu can you auth plox? 514721;1392756730;kakobrekla;first s.pot, now buying facebook shits 514722;1392756730;mircea_popescu;aite. 514723;1392756734;mircea_popescu;lol 514724;1392756734;kakobrekla;i dont belive it. 514725;1392756737;mircea_popescu;;;eauth mircea_popescu 514726;1392756738;gribble;Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452 514727;1392756773;mircea_popescu;shit i forgot my key guise!!1 514728;1392756778;mircea_popescu;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e8184214a3f62d741e64b684dad0a7e561d3314ad57e8ff10c9a4b60 514729;1392756779;gribble;You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452 514730;1392756785;kakobrekla;dammit, its real. 514731;1392756789;mircea_popescu;anyway kakobrekla you just don't understand the range of my interests! 514732;1392756806;mircea_popescu;but srsly nao : the guy that made a lolexchange which only matches exact price 514733;1392756818;mircea_popescu;also runs a "buy twitter followers" and "generate fake testimonials" site 514734;1392756886;davout;even localbitcoins has a better engine... 514735;1392756914;mircea_popescu;this is pretty epic shit. 514736;1392756920;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 292 @ 0.00301 = 0.8789 BTC [+] 514737;1392756921;Apocalyptic;^ 514738;1392756940;Apocalyptic;although you have to admit it's better than r3wt's one 514739;1392756952;mircea_popescu;meanwhile they're also sending spam emails, because their servers got blacklisted 514740;1392756964;mircea_popescu;and so are having a meltdown in their own chan 514741;1392756970;Apocalyptic;heh 514742;1392756976;mircea_popescu;<Devianttwo> iscrawler: I checked our email system 5 minutes ago 514743;1392756976;mircea_popescu;<Devianttwo> we have send 2 k emails in 24 hours. 514744;1392757018;mircea_popescu;robert keith cristopher jr. 514745;1392757025;Jere_Jones;Shoulda used ses to send out emails 514746;1392757033;mircea_popescu;https://www.resume.com/devianttwo 514747;1392757044;ozbot;Robert Keith Christopher JR's Resume 514748;1392757048;mircea_popescu;I am applying to be a full-time employee at this location. Before moving to Lake City, FL; I worked as a cashier and many jobs in Ocean Springs, MS. This includes 2 years at KFC/Long John Silver as there head cashier. After moving here to Lake City, FL I worked as a DirecTV Technical Support agent at Sitel. I worked there for about a year before moving on to Walmart in Lake City, FL. I worked at Walmart for about a yea 514749;1392757048;mircea_popescu;r and I then moved on to work for the Census (US Goverment) for about 1 month. Once I finished with that; I worked as a call agent from home which included taking orders for multiple different companies. I also helped run a company called FragCorner.net which was a game server hosting company for 5 years. I believe that my exceptional customer service record is one of my key qualities that I can bring to you're store. 514750;1392757055;mircea_popescu;omfg this shit is epic. 514751;1392757079;Apocalyptic;dude he's an expert cashier 514752;1392757089;mircea_popescu;this is going on trilema. 514753;1392757092;kakobrekla;to you are store? 514754;1392757096;kakobrekla;who is store? 514755;1392757096;mircea_popescu;too good typefaction. 514756;1392757109;ThickAsThieves;who is this guy? 514757;1392757112;ThickAsThieves;i missed something 514758;1392757115;mircea_popescu;so read log 514759;1392757153;ThickAsThieves;i thought i did, it's r3wt? 514760;1392757161;Apocalyptic;cryptorush's admin 514761;1392757164;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07999799 = 0.16 BTC [+] 514762;1392757174;Apocalyptic;well, one of them 514763;1392757177;mircea_popescu;i dunno r3wt has anything to do with it 514764;1392757263;Apocalyptic; which it looks like they are... 514765;1392757263;Apocalyptic; for the love of god who broke them now... 514766;1392757286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8000 @ 0.00020749 = 1.6599 BTC [+] {5} 514767;1392757291;Apocalyptic;mircea stop breaking dem mails 514768;1392757347;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 520 @ 0.00020769 = 0.108 BTC [+] {3} 514769;1392757410;Jere_Jones;Their order matching engine must be completely whack. 514770;1392757459;mircea_popescu;fellow americans : is "Youth Challenge Program" some special for-tards thing over there ? 514771;1392757470;davout;it's not an engine, it's probably an == or an === operator 514772;1392757477;Jere_Jones;I know, right 514773;1392757482;mircea_popescu;davout an operator ~==== an engine 514774;1392757490;davout;mircea_popescu: lol 514775;1392757494;Jere_Jones;oooo 4 ='s 514776;1392757518;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones omg noob. ~= is an operator and === is another operator. 514777;1392757519;davout;it's the "no-seriously-i-mean-it" PHP equality operator 514778;1392757523;mircea_popescu;their power combined ~=> engine 514779;1392757580;Jere_Jones;like C++'s toward operator? 514780;1392757615;nicknock;hey guys, do you know where I can still find tradable gox derivs? plus500 removed it and btc.sx is out of reserves. 514781;1392757618;Jere_Jones;while (c --> 0) { // do shit } 514782;1392757652;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1220 @ 0.00020989 = 0.2561 BTC [+] {3} 514783;1392757653;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52100002 = 1.563 BTC [-] 514784;1392757714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00086271 = 20.36 BTC [-] 514785;1392757774;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.07502525 = 0.3001 BTC [+] {3} 514786;1392757937;ThickAsThieves;lol get this 514787;1392757939;ThickAsThieves;Asked why the company hadn't addressed customers' concern sooner, Mr. Karpelès responded in an email interview with The Wall Street Journal on Monday: "I assume you refer to the malleability issue. We sincerely apologize for this incident; however, please understand that we are NOT the developers of Bitcoin." He added, "We are very surprised that anyone could fault MtGox instead of 514788;1392757939;ThickAsThieves;the bitcoin software." 514789;1392758019;mircea_popescu;nicknock sorry what ?! 514790;1392758042;ThickAsThieves;he wants to fuck with cheap goxcoins i think 514791;1392758059;ThickAsThieves;"fuck with" in the hiphop sense 514792;1392758066;nicknock;mp :) i'd like to place some leveraged bets on the goxbtc / goxusd rate. 514793;1392758112;nicknock;heh, if i'd have the stash to "fuck with" it, i'd likely have lost it already 514794;1392758254;ThickAsThieves;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_LFrMcoEm4 514795;1392758267;ThickAsThieves;Ukraine's capital streamed live as police threaten crackdown 514796;1392758271;ozbot;Espreso TV - LIVE - YouTube 514797;1392758423;nicknock;how are the mpex fiat futures settled? 514798;1392758505;davout;nicknock: delivery 514799;1392758506;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 47 @ 0.02420002 = 1.1374 BTC [-] {3} 514800;1392758507;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 26 @ 0.05800001 = 1.508 BTC [-] {4} 514801;1392758519;davout;nicknock: it's in the contract 514802;1392758525;jurov;nicknock: http://explo.yt/post/2013/12/16/All-about-X.EUR-future-on-MPEx 514803;1392758538;nicknock;thx 514804;1392758628;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.077 = 0.154 BTC [-] 514805;1392759011;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/robert-keith-cristopher-jr-matt-sartain-kristian-thomson-cryptorush-much-comedy-lulzgoldmine/ 514806;1392759021;ozbot;Robert Keith Cristopher, Jr ; Matt Sartain ; Kristian Thomson ; Cryptorush : much comedy & lulzgoldm 514807;1392759041;Jere_Jones;Woohoo!! Time to use my credits! 514808;1392759116;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.07699912 = 0.308 BTC [+] {4} 514809;1392759177;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.07887488 = 0.631 BTC [+] {5} 514810;1392759213;nicknock;TaT: i'm thinking of transferring some asicminer from 796 to havelock. never transferred shares before, any caveats to think of? 514811;1392759321;mircea_popescu;and special thanks to pankkake 514812;1392759350;mircea_popescu;also logs if anyone conceivably wants them http://dpaste.com/1635097/ 514813;1392759362;ThickAsThieves;nicknock, i never worked with 796, you;ll need to convert to direct shares first 514814;1392759382;ThickAsThieves;otherwise, instructions are in the description 514815;1392759591;Jere_Jones;"I would be lost without Trilema. It's exactly what I've been looking for." 514816;1392759591;Jere_Jones;- Petrina U. (via http://testimonial-generator.com/index.php) 514817;1392759596;Jere_Jones;lol 514818;1392759620;nicknock;TaT: ok thanks 514819;1392759637;mircea_popescu;lolz 514820;1392759643;mircea_popescu;Petrina Urina ? 514821;1392759656;Jere_Jones;Sure. Why not? 514822;1392759672;mircea_popescu;he could at least have gone the whole distance and made he names funny. 514823;1392759678;mircea_popescu;Petrina Ypsilanti the 3rd 514824;1392759691;mircea_popescu;Desdemona Safello 514825;1392759708;Jere_Jones;Then you'd have the real Petrina Ypsilanti the 3rd saying "I never said that! 514826;1392759716;mircea_popescu;Cuntess Ersatz-Szerbet of Elderberry 514827;1392759717;Jere_Jones;Can't have that. 514828;1392759769;pankkake;hahaha I love the last one 514829;1392759783;mircea_popescu;sorta sounds like erzsi bathory 514830;1392759798;mircea_popescu;jurovs' dreamgal 514831;1392759832;jurov;yup 514832;1392759852;jurov;have you seen the recent slovak film about her? 514833;1392759859;jurov;she's very charming 514834;1392759866;mircea_popescu;i haven't, no. 514835;1392759875;mircea_popescu;lots of nudity and pubescent gore ? 514836;1392759892;jurov;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469640/ 514837;1392759892;ozbot;Bathory: Countess of Blood (2008) - IMDb 514838;1392759925;mircea_popescu;is it any good ? 6.0 doesn't promise 514839;1392759929;jurov;some hints.. but it's never clear 514840;1392759965;jurov;it's just weird as everyhinng from that director 514841;1392759970;mircea_popescu;I also like to help people setup multiple things 514842;1392759970;mircea_popescu;such as the bomb. 514843;1392759971;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 514844;1392760038;mircea_popescu;i wonder how many actual nuts that end up shooting people COULD in fact be detected by reading facebook pages. 514845;1392760108;jurov;they can, but only if they are in love 514846;1392760201;Jere_Jones;mircea_popescu Maybe add a part at the end of your latest post about not being a tard. "Steer clear of all tards. Don't be a tard. That is all." 514847;1392760216;mircea_popescu;how is a tard not going to be a tard ? 514848;1392760236;mircea_popescu;i mean i don't mind telling people what to do, but i'm kind-of partial to telling them to do that which can be done. 514849;1392760242;Jere_Jones;By recognizing that one is a tard? Isn't that the first step to nontardism? 514850;1392760256;mircea_popescu;you're slow, you're slow. what are you going to do ? 514851;1392760261;mircea_popescu;move out of the fast lane and enjoy the view. 514852;1392760302;mircea_popescu;everyone ends up in the same place anyway. 514853;1392760322;Jere_Jones;I think I may be a tard. I am certain that I was a tard. I don't want to be a tard in the future. 514854;1392760347;mircea_popescu;dude get out of here. what was your resume like at 30 ? 514855;1392760386;Jere_Jones;I have never written a resume, but if I had, it would have been dominated by Aviation Electronics Technician, US Navy. 514856;1392760400;mircea_popescu;right. 514857;1392760401;Jere_Jones;Every job I've ever had has been via word of mouth. 514858;1392760406;mircea_popescu;this one is dominated by stocking shelves. 514859;1392760414;Jere_Jones;That *was* funny. 514860;1392760429;ThickAsThieves;this is my tard, there are many tards like it, but this one is mine 514861;1392760444;mircea_popescu;so you know, doing stupid shit is one thing, being a tard is a different thing. 514862;1392760455;Jere_Jones;My resume at 18 would have been dominated by KFC. He sounds like a kid. 514863;1392760500;Jere_Jones;KFC and construction. Ah... the days of no responsibilities. Just touching breasts, thighs and legs... 514864;1392760550;Jere_Jones;Speaking of responsibilities. Back to them. Thanks for the laughs. I needed them. 514865;1392760576;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones the ged was in 2001. 514866;1392760579;mircea_popescu;2001 you hear me / 514867;1392760635;Jere_Jones;Damn. Being generous would put him at 14 at the time. That would make him 27-ish now? 514868;1392760676;Jere_Jones;Being realistic, he was 18 at the time so he's past 30 now. 514869;1392760705;Jere_Jones;That's a long time to work dead-end jobs. 514870;1392760745;mircea_popescu;time don't flow equally fast for everybody. 514871;1392760867;jurov;mircea_popescu i have a hunch you may like this: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1xpaie/nsas_operation_orchestra_undermining_crypto/ 514872;1392760886;jurov;how NSA leveraged failed startups tards and the like 514873;1392761005;mircea_popescu;"I agree with his final point. We've done the technical approach. It was a good effort, but if the theorising (I'm assuming that a lot of this is theorising?) is true, we can't build our way out of this problem. We have to shut down organisations and programmes like this by bringing them to the light of day, and the only approach to that is political." 514874;1392761007;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0055 = 1.1 BTC 514875;1392761014;mircea_popescu;which brings us to why we're here. 514876;1392761068;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27983 @ 0.00086271 = 24.1412 BTC [-] 514877;1392761120;jurov;i'd recommend it to acsiilifeform, too but no rectothermals are involved 514878;1392761192;mircea_popescu;lol 514879;1392761200;mircea_popescu;why so mean. so the guy likes his plugs warm. 514880;1392761235;mircea_popescu;The stated mission of the Youth Challenge Program is "to intervene in and reclaim the lives of at-risk youth to produce program graduates with the values, skills, education and self-discipline necessary to succeed as adults." 514881;1392761238;mircea_popescu;til/ 514882;1392761251;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.0055 = 1.65 BTC 514883;1392761258;mircea_popescu;The program accepts 16-18 year old male and female high school dropouts who are drug-free and not in trouble with the law. 514884;1392761484;jurov;as i'm watching this, got very strong suspicion about doge 514885;1392761491;jurov;anyone with me? 514886;1392761567;xeroblaze0;suspicion about what 514887;1392761619;jurov;just watch the orchestra video 514888;1392761678;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [-] 514889;1392761725;CiPi;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26240149 514890;1392761726;ozbot;BBC News - Big bitcoin exchange 'fixes' trading glitch 514891;1392761797;ThickAsThieves;fixed but not fixed 514892;1392761800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24762 @ 0.0008635 = 21.382 BTC [+] {3} 514893;1392761803;ThickAsThieves;BBC i'm disappoint 514894;1392761856;jcpham;mtgox has fixed bitcoin hoorah! 514895;1392761858;mircea_popescu;jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#475326 514896;1392761861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37257 @ 0.00086271 = 32.142 BTC [-] 514897;1392761861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07302727 = 0.8033 BTC [-] {3} 514898;1392761877;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves gotta make fiddy bux somehow. to buy al lthe memes 514899;1392761944;ThickAsThieves;http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2014/02/18/wisguard182way_enl-c775ad7775e59ef4f0365eef17415c32a0a7c96b.jpg 514900;1392761973;mircea_popescu;uh 514901;1392761992;jurov;mircea_popescu: yes, but i enjoy how clearly it's laid out there 514902;1392762010;mircea_popescu;i enjoy even more how little it did. 514903;1392762105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.0008648 = 8.9074 BTC [+] 514904;1392762276;KRS-One;Here's my recent fav 514905;1392762280;KRS-One;http://i.imgur.com/pU2lyce.jpg 514906;1392762306;KRS-One;Does Magical Tux enjoy Coffee or is it Dessert? 514907;1392762349;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0055 = 0.2475 BTC 514908;1392762410;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0055 = 0.165 BTC 514909;1392762411;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1183 @ 0.00021259 = 0.2515 BTC [+] 514910;1392762471;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 694 @ 0.00021259 = 0.1475 BTC [+] {2} 514911;1392762472;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.003025 = 0.2783 BTC [+] 514912;1392762715;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 159 @ 0.00302185 = 0.4805 BTC [-] {2} 514913;1392762776;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06250006 = 0.125 BTC [-] {2} 514914;1392762858;ThickAsThieves;"Herbalife Ltd. reported fourth-quarter profits ... that exceeded analysts’ expectations. The results marked the 20th straight quarter the nutritional supplement maker’s profit figures have exceeded Wall Street’s estimates" ...this world... 514915;1392762906;KRS-One;that shit is still going? 514916;1392762987;nicknock;New investors born daily! 514917;1392763203;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.0770003 = 0.539 BTC [-] {4} 514918;1392764019;mircea_popescu;strong 3rd world sales, no doubt. 514919;1392764049;mircea_popescu;every romanian chick that's not starving while pretending to be working in pr is starving pretending to sell hebalife, avon and whatnot. 514920;1392764073;mircea_popescu;maybe one in ten has the sense (or really, the looks) to actually do something worthwhile with her time. 514921;1392764484;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00086172 = 25.4207 BTC [-] {3} 514922;1392764523;ThickAsThieves;http://graphics.cs.msu.ru/en/node/1181 514923;1392764524;ozbot;Our condolenses to parents of Mikhail Sindeyev | Graphics and Media Lab 514924;1392764552;ThickAsThieves;"thecoder behind Namecoin-QT and main dev of Huntercoin has passed away suddenly, aged 27 from a stroke" 514925;1392764561;mircea_popescu;wow. 514926;1392764850;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34308 @ 0.00085718 = 29.4081 BTC [-] {2} 514927;1392764903;the20year2;As a quick FYI for RENT investors, we are persuing two individual properties currently. 514928;1392764936;deadweasel;http://graphics.cs.msu.ru/en/node/1181 514929;1392764945;deadweasel;oh shit, sorry 514930;1392764946;ozbot;Our condolenses to parents of Mikhail Sindeyev | Graphics and Media Lab 514931;1392765202;cazalla;young for a stroke esp deadly one 514932;1392765582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36802 @ 0.0008648 = 31.8264 BTC [+] 514933;1392765776;arij;hello 514934;1392765785;CiPi;http://www.bloomberg.com/video/ebay-paypal-most-successful-together-donahoe-says-M8oKQ3F5Q3SBdIrbWSnzcw.html 514935;1392765786;ozbot;EBay, PayPal Most Successful Together, Donahoe Says: Video - Bloomberg 514936;1392765788;arij;what was that bitcoin prediction website? 514937;1392765790;arij;bit something? 514938;1392765806;arij;nvm, found it 514939;1392765929;xeroblaze0;link 514940;1392765930;xeroblaze0;? 514941;1392766025;the20year2;ANyone have any short term estimates on BTC price, like for the week? 514942;1392766045;xeroblaze0;good luck with that 514943;1392766051;xeroblaze0;thursday will mess everything up 514944;1392766060;the20year2;What's thursday? 514945;1392766099;jcpham;over 9000 by then 514946;1392766150;xeroblaze0;another gox announcement 514947;1392766182;jcpham;dogecoin support coming to mtgox in just shy of 2 weeks time 514948;1392766237;the20year2;i was thinking thursday was their announcement if they'd resume withdrawl/deposits 514949;1392766280;TomServo;i was thinking maybe seppuku 514950;1392767168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1376 @ 0.00086489 = 1.1901 BTC [+] {2} 514951;1392767511;ThickAsThieves;from that Ebay vid: ""You can use digital currencies in the paypal digital wallet, that's in fact what PayPal is doing is building a digital wallet that can take multiple types of currencies." - John Donahue, CEO of eBay." 514952;1392767537;ThickAsThieves;quoted imediately after he was asked how paypal could compete with bitcoin 514953;1392769364;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00086784 = 2.0828 BTC [+] 514954;1392769669;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00302845 = 0.1514 BTC [+] 514955;1392769730;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00302852 = 0.1242 BTC [+] 514956;1392769913;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 106 @ 0.00504974 = 0.5353 BTC [-] {4} 514957;1392769974;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00501 = 0.2555 BTC [-] {2} 514958;1392770096;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 1.875 BTC [-] 514959;1392770523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00086784 = 8.852 BTC [+] 514960;1392771194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20645 @ 0.00086814 = 17.9228 BTC [+] {2} 514961;1392771194;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.0242 = 0.2178 BTC [-] 514962;1392771725;asciilifeform;jurov: i saw that thing (and, if i recall, posted it here) when it came out. 514963;1392771732;asciilifeform;it's a spoof (if that wasn't clear) 514964;1392771739;asciilifeform;but the facts are, well... factual. 514965;1392771963;asciilifeform;(re: 'orchestra.') 514966;1392772091;nubbins`;;;later tell mircea_popescu re: S.POT, canada is outlawing personal growing for medical marijuana patients in april, and the entire system will move over to private growers. legal at federal level. country full of world-renowned growers. number of licensed users expected to grow tenfold over next decade. nice business to have established when across-the-board legalization eventually comes around. 514967;1392772091;nubbins`;A+++++++++++ WOULD INVEST IN :0 514968;1392772091;gribble;The operation succeeded. 514969;1392772286;WillTablet;Gotta get me some altcoin invested in that 514970;1392773003;cazalla;anyone else wagering robot wins vs human in ping pong 514971;1392773146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7905 @ 0.00086784 = 6.8603 BTC [-] 514972;1392773199;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Where? 514973;1392773237;cazalla;http://bitbet.us/bet/760/kuka-table-tennis-robot-to-beat-human/ 514974;1392773478;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: 'The Death of Fulger': http://flibusta.net/b/268651/read#r73 514975;1392773507;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: interesting how there is never a translation (of whatever quality) to english 514976;1392773527;asciilifeform;poor english. 514977;1392773756;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00086759 = 6.5937 BTC [-] {2} 514978;1392774000;decimation;have any of you looked at 'pynode' 514979;1392774011;decimation;it's a python bitcoin network client 514980;1392774060;decimation;https://github.com/jgarzik/pynode 514981;1392774108;decimation;also for the lolz: http://cnsmaryland.org/2014/02/18/officials-boost-maryland-cybersecurity-center/ 514982;1392774330;BingoBoingo;http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2014/02/18/chinas-swelling-soldiers-too-big-for-tanks/?mod=e2tw 514983;1392774427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00086738 = 8.8473 BTC [-] 514984;1392775282;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.52100001 = 7.294 BTC [-] {3} 514985;1392775342;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.52 = 5.72 BTC [-] {2} 514986;1392775497;BingoBoingo;http://swimsuit.si.com/swimsuit/models/kate-upton/zero-g-photos/1 514987;1392776013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7569 @ 0.00086738 = 6.5652 BTC [-] 514988;1392776379;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.50712001 = 2.5356 BTC [-] {3} 514989;1392776440;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.50586 = 2.5293 BTC [-] {3} 514990;1392776623;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC 514991;1392776746;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4056 @ 0.00086561 = 3.5109 BTC [-] 514992;1392776867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3044 @ 0.00086561 = 2.6349 BTC [-] 514993;1392778087;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7465 @ 0.00086513 = 6.4582 BTC [-] 514994;1392778209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00086562 = 7.3145 BTC [+] {2} 514995;1392778819;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] 514996;1392778941;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.0030323 = 0.2668 BTC [+] {2} 514997;1392779429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11327 @ 0.00086742 = 9.8253 BTC [+] {2} 514998;1392779734;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00503001 = 0.1962 BTC [-] 514999;1392780100;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 1.875 BTC [-] 515000;1392780101;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.08499962 = 0.85 BTC [+] {4} 515001;1392780161;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.08499999 = 1.02 BTC [+] {4} 515002;1392780198;mircea_popescu;interesting nubbins` 515003;1392780222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14588 @ 0.0008676 = 12.6565 BTC [+] {2} 515004;1392780223;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i guess i must be an old arse, everyone i heard was very excited for some reason. 515005;1392780291;mircea_popescu;i guess the people that got the licenses in colorado made out ok. 515006;1392780344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00086423 = 5.6175 BTC [-] 515007;1392780352;mircea_popescu;lol so paypal wants to compete with bitcoin by making... yet another webwallet. 515008;1392780354;mircea_popescu;derp. 515009;1392780370;the20year;will it take bitcoin? 515010;1392780379;mircea_popescu;course their webwallet would have an exchange built in, which by now they're probably testing and which nobody will be either to compete with or outlaw. 515011;1392780391;KRS-One;.bait 515012;1392780393;the20year;will be interesting 515013;1392780395;mircea_popescu;so i guess there goes the market for man-and-his-dreams exchanges. 515014;1392780396;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/83c8281cb0e39de3abd8523cefd588dc/tumblr_mvt4swF7ox1r1of71o1_1280.jpg 515015;1392780649;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 73 @ 0.003 = 0.219 BTC [-] {2} 515016;1392780830;BingoBoingo;I don't know if Paypal can make the jump from holding nothing of value on their servers to holding numbers of extreme value. 515017;1392780839;the20year;Correct 515018;1392780851;the20year;i think it could be good for worldwide acceptance, but won't displace many 515019;1392780892;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo they hold ccs 515020;1392780904;mircea_popescu;this, prior to bitcoin was the most valuable and only valuable thing to keep on a server. 515021;1392780992;mircea_popescu;anyway, they of any sense'll treat their investments in coinbase/whatever exchange as having terms of 1 year tops. 515022;1392781083;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You wrote before on the subject of stolen credentials like credit card numbers making a poor currency due to their short lifespan. 515023;1392781092;mircea_popescu;this is true. 515024;1392781105;mircea_popescu;but you are telling me that bitstamp has better ops and it security than paypal ? 515025;1392781198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6552 @ 0.00086848 = 5.6903 BTC [+] 515026;1392781198;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.07499997 = 0.375 BTC [-] {2} 515027;1392781215;kakobrekla;i know the answer to that!! 515028;1392781246;mircea_popescu;lol i was thinking, "and after you're done telling me go tell kako" 515029;1392781259;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.07499997 = 0.45 BTC [-] {4} 515030;1392781294;mircea_popescu;anyway, the greater strategic implication here is that given my lukewarm at best interest in the fiat side, 515031;1392781320;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.07499997 = 0.225 BTC [-] 515032;1392781331;mircea_popescu;and given the horridly ineptitude of the tech people + the horridly dishonest ineptitude of the "business" people involved in the "market" let's call it for lack of a better term of interfacing bitcoin and fiats 515033;1392781338;mircea_popescu;we are losing control over the thing. 515034;1392781365;mircea_popescu;after paypal offers transparent exchanging into and from bitcoin to anyone with a paypal account we won't even KNOW what the exchange rate is anymore. 515035;1392781379;mircea_popescu;not that we necessarily care, but it is the first actual loss in the field. 515036;1392781451;chetty;It will be whatever paypal is giving +30% (their fee) 515037;1392781470;mircea_popescu;basically what they do now, if you move usd to eur or w/e 515038;1392781476;mircea_popescu;they charge whatever they want and that's that. 515039;1392781503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00086848 = 1.3461 BTC [+] 515040;1392781558;BingoBoingo;I'm leaning towards supposing all BTC/fiat interface operations come with finite lifespans. 515041;1392781575;mircea_popescu;people said this of paypal originally. 515042;1392781580;mircea_popescu;but it's been stabe for 20 years. 515043;1392781585;kakobrekla;well everything in this fuckin universe comes with a finite lifespan 515044;1392781608;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla you know wells fargo was originally a stagecoach company ? 515045;1392781610;mircea_popescu;cca 1800 515046;1392781621;kakobrekla;so ? 515047;1392781642;BingoBoingo;Some things are more finite than others. 515048;1392781658;kakobrekla;depends on the amount of '=' 515049;1392781664;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 515050;1392781677;mircea_popescu;"your code does not have a large enough amount of =" 515051;1392781685;mircea_popescu;CHECK UR PRIVILEGDE! 515052;1392781709;BingoBoingo;Things like matter and form have less finitude 515053;1392781881;nubbins`;http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/01/17/medical-marijuana-production-in-canada-set-for-dramatic-change/ 515054;1392781881;ozbot;Medical marijuana production in Canada set for dramatic change | National Post 515055;1392782040;asciilifeform;and then THC-secreting genmod tomato is introduced, and people forget the idiot political crap. 515056;1392782052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14246 @ 0.00086848 = 12.3724 BTC [+] {2} 515057;1392782059;nubbins`;it's not so much the THC itself as it is all the other cannabinoids 515058;1392782074;nubbins`;plain ol' THC pills have been around for ages and never really gained much traction 515059;1392782112;asciilifeform;doesn't have to be an exact replica. only equally fun. and not readily visually detectable. 515060;1392782127;nubbins`;"Health Canada estimates that by 2024, the 'legal marijuana supply industry' may have annual revenues of $1.3-billion." 515061;1392782147;nubbins`;eating a tomato will never be equally as enjoyable as smoking a joint :D 515062;1392782170;BingoBoingo;Well there were K2 and the other products from Asian and pacific pharmaceutical manufacterer's after hours production 515063;1392782174;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+] 515064;1392782175;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.0030323 = 0.2881 BTC [+] 515065;1392782314;nubbins`;“Health Canada had valid concerns” about the authorized license applications they were receiving last year, says Mr. Kennedy. Many displayed a “lack of sophistication” about the medical marijuana industry, or had a “lack of capital,” he says. The department “was concerned about the ability of new licence holders to meet demand.” 515066;1392782329;nubbins`;k2 etc is for idiots 515067;1392782339;decimation;] 515068;1392782356;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Was... was for idiots. 515069;1392782365;asciilifeform;the point was not that diddled tomatoes in particular will replace smokable delights, but that the idiocy of prohibition could be technologically finessed 515070;1392782366;nubbins`;ah, even better then 515071;1392782371;asciilifeform;if someone saw fit to do so. 515072;1392782638;decimation;ascii did you see the maryland "cyber center" link? 515073;1392782645;asciilifeform;old news 515074;1392782677;asciilifeform;it's yet another idiot funnel for the public treasury (incl. grants) into the pockets of 'seekoority' hucksters. 515075;1392782712;decimation;I feel bad for the youth who will be swindled into giving their flower to rank idiocy 515076;1392782767;decimation;also: steve sailor makes the point that marygeewanna is 'good smoke' - need to remind people that it can start fires too: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2014/02/good-smoking-v-bad-smoking.html 515077;1392782845;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.06374998 = 0.51 BTC [-] {3} 515078;1392782848;decimation;"Smoking tobacco is losing so it seems reasonable to ban smoking it even in your own car while driving through a brushfire zone. Smoking marijuana is winning, so it doesn't seem like the ban on smoking in Laurel Canyon applies to dope." 515079;1392782953;decimation;It seems to me that there would be some value in having a multicast stream of blockchain updates 515080;1392782966;decimation;it's so sad that multicast is broken for almost everyone 515081;1392782967;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.06349999 = 0.1905 BTC [-] 515082;1392782971;nubbins`;meh. in the early days of canada's national parks, they had to put signs up reminding people not to toss lit cigarettes or tap pipe bowls onto the ground 515083;1392782990;nubbins`;the simpler explanation is "people are idiots and need explicit signage" rather than "good smoke / bad smoke" 515084;1392783047;BingoBoingo;The simpler solution is to remember to grind spent but warm cigarette butts into the dirt when traversing a tinderbox. 515085;1392783126;nubbins`;that's not simpler at all :D 515086;1392783150;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.06299999 = 0.189 BTC [-] 515087;1392783241;decimation;what I don't understand is why bitcoin network code uses TCP, yet includes optimization hacks to try to improve performance. Why not manage things properly at the application layer with UDP? 515088;1392783300;asciilifeform;decimation: neither the only nor the most egregious kludge in the ref. client. 515089;1392783353;decimation;no, but I find the overuse of TCP to be an annoyance. TCP was made by the devil to help people trick themselves 515090;1392783380;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-verify-your-identity/ 515091;1392783420;mircea_popescu; I feel bad for the youth who will be swindled into giving their flower to rank idiocy <<< unlike what other youth ? 515092;1392783433;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol 515093;1392783433;ozbot;O hai let me verify your identity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 515094;1392783438;decimation;alas, youth is wasted on the young 515095;1392783445;mircea_popescu;which lass ? :D 515096;1392783448;decimation;heh 515097;1392783455;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5621 @ 0.00086849 = 4.8818 BTC [+] 515098;1392783472;mircea_popescu;but yeah. 515099;1392783524;mircea_popescu;decimation because satoshi didn't understand udp and couldn' find any libraries. 515100;1392783541;mircea_popescu;because they mostly don't exist standalone because people in gaming need and so make them 515101;1392783611;mircea_popescu;but anyway, bored young minds with the strength of oxen wishing to create an ACTUAL altcoin are well advised to try and specify bitcoin. 515102;1392783629;mircea_popescu;by the time they're done they will have collected enough tidbits (such as this one) to actually make an alt with a chance. 515103;1392783672;decimation;yeah. The end-to-end argument ( http://www.reed.com/dpr/locus/Papers/EndtoEnd.html ) was written in the early 80's and seems to have been ignored ever since 515104;1392783689;mircea_popescu;decimation in anyone's defense, nobody can know everything. 515105;1392783693;asciilifeform;classy crapware, btw, tends to speak with pure udp. 515106;1392783699;mircea_popescu;we are today right here in this chan in a much softer seat than satoshi ever was 515107;1392783707;mircea_popescu;simply because there's a collection of idiots rather than a single idiot. 515108;1392783732;decimation;this is true. I would rather have bitcoin as-is than no bitcoin 515109;1392783742;BingoBoingo;I imagine Satoshi is a lurker in this chan, never speaking, but simply logging the lols 515110;1392783752;mircea_popescu;decimation it still IS a prototype. 515111;1392783768;mircea_popescu;it's role never having been to be worth "x billionty dollars" but simply to support nurture and allow this conversation. 515112;1392783801;mircea_popescu;anyway, paul baran's work is ALSO mostly forgotten 515113;1392783823;mircea_popescu;and perhaps the larger loss. as people today interact with him like with shakespeare, out of reinterpreted reinterpretations of copies 515114;1392783828;mircea_popescu;rather than considering the actual points 515115;1392783865;decimation;oh, he did Ricochet 515116;1392783876;BingoBoingo;"Rock Glass while doing high-impact sports. Glass is a piece of technology, so use common sense. Water skiing, bull riding or cage fighting with Glass are probably not good ideas." https://sites.google.com/site/glasscomms/glass-explorers 515117;1392783878;mircea_popescu;he did a metric ton of shit 515118;1392783884;decimation;there are still Ricochet boxes that dot the countryside in the US 515119;1392783918;asciilifeform;decimation: got at least 6 of those just on my street. 515120;1392783931;asciilifeform;they still respond to signals! i once bought a ricochet modem just to determine this. 515121;1392783937;decimation;I wonder if they still work :) 515122;1392783940;decimation;lol awesome 515123;1392783947;asciilifeform;they work - but no backhaul. 515124;1392783995;mircea_popescu;o quit quitting is it! i see 515125;1392784004;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 837 @ 0.00021259 = 0.1779 BTC [+] {2} 515126;1392784015;asciilifeform;ricochet was a classic example of a co. with a real, useful product, killed by gross mismanagement 515127;1392784044;asciilifeform;leaving a gap of several yrs with no economical replacement 515128;1392784069;asciilifeform;before the appearance of inexpensive/ubiquitous 'ip over cellular' 515129;1392784090;decimation;right. It seems to me that there is still space to compete in that market for bottom dollar text/email 515130;1392784114;asciilifeform;ricochet was a true mesh network 515131;1392784132;asciilifeform;even now i can get the modems to pass garbage from one end of the town to another. 515132;1392784135;decimation;I always wondered how they would deal with constrained nodes 515133;1392784140;BingoBoingo;I remember when half of the failed grocers and restauranteurs tried to set up competing dial up ISPs 515134;1392784143;decimation;chokepoints in the graph 515135;1392784221;decimation;I think guys like him and Vint Cerf see what the Internet has become and are sad 515136;1392784233;decimation;like idiots using stateless protocols like http to "log in" 515137;1392784248;BingoBoingo;http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/02/18/1839237/a-mathematical-proof-too-long-to-check 515138;1392784250;ozbot;A Mathematical Proof Too Long To Check - Slashdot 515139;1392784263;asciilifeform;decimation: the rot goes far deeper. 515140;1392784278;asciilifeform;decimation: see, for example: the notion of 'formats.' (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309) 515141;1392784324;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this is a classic example of 'proofiness' 515142;1392784332;asciilifeform;(to borrow from herr bush's 'truthiness') 515143;1392784345;asciilifeform;people who put no value on understanding. 515144;1392784356;mircea_popescu;proofines = the quality of something which isn't proven but you'd like it to be. 515145;1392784366;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Of course. 515146;1392784421;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I might lean towards thinking the proof is valid, but could come in at hundreds of KB if only enough Aspies were locked in an attic with some meth. 515147;1392784433;mircea_popescu;ofcourseyouwould.jpg 515148;1392784452;decimation;ugh, the worst offenders for hardware codecs are the DVSI guys 515149;1392784526;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I imagine Breaking Bad takes place in an Alternate universe where Erdos had to cook his own amphetamines. 515150;1392784539;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: the fool's fake passport: once it becomes possible to do business only with those who follow formula of 'fuck people, do business with keys,' social engineering goes mostly away. 515151;1392784553;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0995 = 0.199 BTC [+] 515152;1392784558;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform or at least, social engineering as we know it. 515153;1392784566;decimation;on the other hand, you could argue that "IS-95" is a "format" and Qualcomm camps out on that with their custom crapware 515154;1392784571;mircea_popescu;social engineering as the venetians knew it "mostly went away" too. 515155;1392784590;asciilifeform;it will resolve to elaborate ruses to steal keys 515156;1392784594;asciilifeform;which is still an improvement. 515157;1392784599;*;mircea_popescu tries to remember who decimation is. who are you decimation ? 515158;1392784614;decimation;I'm some guy livin' in the US 515159;1392784620;the20year;oh my 515160;1392784628;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually the novel of "how will SE look in a post-key apocalypse" could be an interesting novel. 515161;1392784632;mircea_popescu;haha ok. 515162;1392784648;asciilifeform;see the immortal 'Shall Be Delivered'. 515163;1392784655;asciilifeform;(by mpoe-pr) 515164;1392784657;mircea_popescu;doesn't seem much there yet. 515165;1392784673;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'm juggling 8 tasks, but is there a bounty on the post key apocolypse novel? 515166;1392784710;asciilifeform;http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/ 515167;1392784725;ozbot;Shall be Delivered | The Whet 515168;1392784752;asciilifeform;required reading, for anyone who gives half a damn. 515169;1392784755;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo not particularly 515170;1392784797;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00492531 = 0.1478 BTC [+] {4} 515171;1392784826;asciilifeform;the author, about whom i know virtually nothing else - is a titan. 515172;1392784836;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Understandable. 515173;1392784867;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That author is from what I understand an expatriate Californian 515174;1392784893;decimation;http://www.rowetel.com/blog/?page_id=452 515175;1392784910;ozbot;Codec 2 « Rowetel 515176;1392784921;decimation;this guy is a hero to the amateur radio guys - he's making is own open-source codec for low bitrate speech 515177;1392784949;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you mean of the whet ?! 515178;1392784969;asciilifeform;whoever wrote that tale 515179;1392784975;asciilifeform;if i recall, it was mpoe-pr 515180;1392784978;mircea_popescu;i am guessing you'll be meeting her. 515181;1392784984;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It was indeed 515182;1392785016;mircea_popescu;she's not really a titan, like D. 515183;1392785126;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: perhaps you've heard the infamous ' Я русский бы выучил только за то, что им разговаривал Ленин' line 515184;1392785151;asciilifeform;(deliberately ungrammatical. it is spoken by some conquered savage, in a Mayakovsky poem) 515185;1392785165;asciilifeform;('russian i would learn, simply because, it was spoken by lenin') 515186;1392785186;mircea_popescu;paaaaartiiiiiaa leeeniiinaa 515187;1392785191;asciilifeform;haha 515188;1392785199;decimation;why not German spoken by Marx? 515189;1392785208;mircea_popescu;or hegel. 515190;1392785224;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00086849 = 9.0757 BTC [+] 515191;1392785234;mircea_popescu;but yes, this is the major criterion i employ to guide me linguistically. 515192;1392785250;mircea_popescu;i've not learned chinese yet mostly because i know of no noteworthy intellectual achievement in their classics. 515193;1392785257;mircea_popescu;i did learn english because shakespeare is good. 515194;1392785259;asciilifeform;point being, if that piece were written by a demented martian, i should like to learn martian. 515195;1392785261;decimation;that's what I was about to ask 515196;1392785284;decimation;they have 5,000 years of bureaucracy 515197;1392785317;asciilifeform;the chinese, as i understand, got stuck in a certain 'thermodynamic' trap 515198;1392785331;mircea_popescu;decimation it's not even the bureaucracy. i despise their 5000 years of dumbass comme-il-faut-confucianism 515199;1392785335;asciilifeform;of, you could say, insufficiently high temperature in the simulated-annealing sense. 515200;1392785359;asciilifeform;they 'color within the lines' (as pre-braindamage paul graham put it) 515201;1392785360;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform tell you what. they had alchemy inception cca 2nd century BC. 515202;1392785372;mircea_popescu;we have extant inscriptions enough to certify this. 515203;1392785378;asciilifeform;they had countless neat things. 515204;1392785380;mircea_popescu;by 1800 they were still dicking around. 515205;1392785383;BingoBoingo;I'm still lol'ing at decades of nutrition made soldier outgrow the chinese army's tanks 515206;1392785392;mircea_popescu;the head whore cixi rejected trains because they were TOO NOISY 515207;1392785398;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this was an actual problem in japanese metro in the '80s. 515208;1392785405;asciilifeform;the kids wouldn't fit in their parents' chairs. 515209;1392785471;decimation;There is something about the West that breeds a certain creativity that is absent in the far East 515210;1392785483;BingoBoingo;Well, I guess this makes a case for chemistry as being a somewhat acceptable surrogate for food. 515211;1392785494;mircea_popescu;yes. a derisive despising of the other. 515212;1392785538;decimation;every man for himself vs. veneration for the entire family/community? 515213;1392785549;BingoBoingo;If only the Chinese had enough inate malice, they could have been the ones to hook the English on opium 515214;1392785564;asciilifeform;rec. reading re: china: 'The Rise of Early Modern Science: Islam, China and the West', T. E. Huff 515215;1392785593;asciilifeform;dives into, (for those of us who do not know chinese) the reasons why the gadgets did not transition into what we think of as 'technology' 515216;1392785605;mircea_popescu;decimation something in that sense. i dunno that it could be readily reducible to any other form. 515217;1392785607;asciilifeform;and why their alchemists got firmly wedged in alchemy 515218;1392785618;mircea_popescu;both sets of chimps will readily ensalve the troop for their benefit 515219;1392785633;mircea_popescu;but the western chimps tend to lol at the slave troop while doing it. 515220;1392785641;mircea_popescu;this contains the seeds of improvement. 515221;1392785658;mircea_popescu;this is perhaps usable as an explanation of why the us and generallythe english world collapses today 515222;1392785662;decimation;rather than the slaves accepting the mandate of heaven 515223;1392785673;mircea_popescu;it all begun when they decided it'd be more stable if they stopped making fun of their captives. 515224;1392785677;mircea_popescu;more stable it did in fact become 515225;1392785693;mircea_popescu;who knew that sort of ossified, concrete stability is the enemy of long term survival. 515226;1392785706;mircea_popescu;what ants knew what cracks are. 515227;1392785711;decimation;frank herbert hints at that in Dune 515228;1392785712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5647 @ 0.00086441 = 4.8813 BTC [-] 515229;1392785746;mircea_popescu;i guess so yeah 515230;1392785823;decimation;somehow this ties into all voice and no exit 515231;1392785832;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/codemonkey.pdf 515232;1392785847;decimation;why didn't the 1000 BC Chinese sail to the new world and scap some Indians? 515233;1392785848;asciilifeform;'Group Responses to Specially Skilled Individuals in a Macaca fascicularis Group'. E. Stammbach 515234;1392785895;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8658 @ 0.00086849 = 7.5194 BTC [+] 515235;1392785914;mircea_popescu;decimation perhaps, but that may well be misleading. hard to see 515236;1392785918;asciilifeform;the chinese visited some of our present dysfunctions rather early on. 515237;1392785923;asciilifeform;see the Zheng He voyages 515238;1392785923;mircea_popescu;(i'm not nearly that well informed in azn matters) 515239;1392785937;asciilifeform;(arguably their equivalent of 'space program') 515240;1392785952;asciilifeform;brought back animals from africa, etc. to no useful end 515241;1392785975;asciilifeform;result: fleet burned, deep sea navigation verboten - as wasteful... 515242;1392785975;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because they could never sail, because they were fucktarded in the roman sense 515243;1392785982;mircea_popescu;(who also could not - ever - sail) 515244;1392785990;mircea_popescu;because who is this sea and how dares it move! 515245;1392785999;asciilifeform;sailing isn't quite enough though 515246;1392786005;mircea_popescu;it would have been enough, yes. 515247;1392786007;decimation;the Romans managed to trade with China too 515248;1392786021;mircea_popescu;may i remind you that at all points of human history the chinese hel;d the upper hand. 515249;1392786032;mircea_popescu;chinese merchants shopwing up in europe would have disrupted the hansa 515250;1392786037;BingoBoingo;When aircraft carriers are a tenth of a BTC, I might pick one up and start an ocean voyaging farm 515251;1392786041;mircea_popescu;and their ships could have easily arbitered the 100 years' war 515252;1392786058;mircea_popescu;and in general, we could have been a subcategory of their culture much like they ended up a subcategory of ours. 515253;1392786066;decimation;but it was the Euros dreaming of sailing to China, not the other way 515254;1392786073;mircea_popescu;well euros can dream. 515255;1392786076;asciilifeform;easily. but they were a bit too 'cold'. 515256;1392786078;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2163 @ 0.00021259 = 0.4598 BTC [+] 515257;1392786081;mircea_popescu;;;google animaniacs ghost of magellan 515258;1392786082;gribble;Animaniacs - Ballad of Magellan - YouTube: ; Animaniacs - The Ballad of Magellan - YouTube: ; Poem: Ballad of Magellan - HolyJoe.Org: 515259;1392786156;mircea_popescu;"you'll find the east indies, you just don't know where". 515260;1392786163;mircea_popescu;some people put up better with this bs than others. 515261;1392786204;decimation;I wonder if there is the same itch in China to try to gain alludial rights, like the English moving to New England 515262;1392786205;chetty;comfortable people stay home, the miserable go adventuring 515263;1392786265;mircea_popescu;i doubt they have the concept of allodial 515264;1392786304;decimation;yeah, the emperor or whoever has the mandate of heaven which is universal, why bother escape? 515265;1392786322;mircea_popescu;because fuck you, that's why. 515266;1392786329;mircea_popescu;i wonder how this even translates to chinese. 515267;1392786353;BingoBoingo;If only friedcat was in -assets 515268;1392786382;decimation;heh. I doubled my money with btct and asicminer, but then I heeded the warnings of mpoe-pr and bailed 515269;1392786393;mircea_popescu;and so you got to keep it ? 515270;1392786398;decimation;for the most part, yes 515271;1392786409;mircea_popescu;gfy. 515272;1392786414;mircea_popescu;(ie, good for you). 515273;1392786423;BingoBoingo;I think I'm going to try sealwithclubs, been about 9 months since I've been there. Maybe I can make a profit or two. 515274;1392786432;decimation;unfortunately I lost a much bigger stash a few years ago when my hard drive died 515275;1392786438;decimation;taught me a lesson I will never forget 515276;1392786439;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: imaginary physical, dead tree book or cardboard box that the product somehow is..These are required supposedly because its professional ..it helps the bullocks imaginary perceptions << the gold coins generated by the script all crapcoin artists seem to use. or the cardboard '90s software box drawn (identically!?) by all peddlers of winblows turdware... 515277;1392786457;BingoBoingo;decimation: That seems to be a common lesson. 515278;1392786457;mircea_popescu;indeed. 515279;1392786484;mircea_popescu;it's a fundamental function of language, this symbolism. 515280;1392786487;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: remember 'the camel has two humps' piece? 515281;1392786492;asciilifeform;re: the abstraction-blind. 515282;1392786499;asciilifeform;they demand these curious idols. 515283;1392786500;mircea_popescu;they're "professional" which really is just a shoddy translation of "civilised", ie, part of the polity 515284;1392786507;mircea_popescu;they display this by donning the polity's fashions 515285;1392786518;asciilifeform;i think these folks literally have to see a gold coin, albeit a cartoon gold coin 515286;1392786523;mircea_popescu;it is not nearly as silly as it seems. there's a fundamental tension at work. 515287;1392786524;asciilifeform;or they can't imagine concept of 'coin' 515288;1392786524;decimation;yeah electronics have to come in a box with irrelevant art 515289;1392786538;mircea_popescu;i have a set of three articles in romanian laying the foundation for understanding this and many other bullshits. 515290;1392786545;BingoBoingo;Oh Seals now says they require 2 confirmations to credit deposits while only actually requiring one. 515291;1392786559;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/peri-metaphyseos/ 515292;1392786564;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/despre-esente/ 515293;1392786570;decimation;you see this phenomenon with the Old Republican goldbugs who try to understand bitcoin 515294;1392786572;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/cele-doua-atot-esente/ 515295;1392786573;ozbot;Peri metaphyseos pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 515296;1392786573;ozbot;Despre esente pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 515297;1392786574;ozbot;Cele doua atot-esente pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 515298;1392786581;decimation;"we need bitcoin backed with gold" etc 515299;1392786626;mircea_popescu;possibly the most imporant articles i ever published but the shit's fucking abstruse. 515300;1392786661;asciilifeform;folks with fully-decked-out brains, who can reason in abstractions, can't really picture what it's like not to 515301;1392786685;asciilifeform;except perhaps with great effort, and if you remember early childhood exceptionally well. 515302;1392786700;mircea_popescu;but you are wrong to think that the language-servants are not proceeding abstractly. 515303;1392786711;mircea_popescu;they are proceeding on a radically different sort of abstraction than the number-servants 515304;1392786729;asciilifeform;seems to me like they are actually envisioning that cartoon coin, except somehow 'made of bit' 515305;1392786733;mircea_popescu;yup. 515306;1392786739;mircea_popescu;this, you will agree, is abstraction. 515307;1392786753;asciilifeform;witness herr dimon, believing that 'surely this cartoon coin can be copied just like mp3' 515308;1392786769;mircea_popescu;im not entirely sure that's his problem there. 515309;1392786796;mircea_popescu;i don't know the guy well enough to discern da fuck he's thinking under n layers of public communication bs 515310;1392786832;asciilifeform;leaving aside the question of whether a particular mouthpiece of the headless dictatorship believes this, it is clearly intended for the consumption of folks who do (or could, with the right prod) 515311;1392786842;mircea_popescu;dimon is actually smart. 515312;1392786869;mircea_popescu;there are, you know, even in soviet russia smart people. 515313;1392786945;asciilifeform;i doubt this is a surprise to anyone 515314;1392786981;asciilifeform;but, seeing only what can be seen in the infamous quote, it was a good show. 515315;1392786982;mircea_popescu;to me it is a perpetual surprise tbh. 515316;1392787017;mircea_popescu;like... suppose there's a club of shitbathers, who seek out filthy stables and other animal warehouses to bathe in the crap 515317;1392787036;asciilifeform;'even' in the russian prison there are smart folks. some, perhaps not quite smart enough to spring loose, some that stay out of habit, some that have simply not located a sufficiently fat herd of bullocks... 515318;1392787041;mircea_popescu;then you discover some of those people actually heard of merlot, and even can distinguish it from pinot. 515319;1392787043;mircea_popescu;shocking. 515320;1392787117;decimation;bitcoin teaches that the valuable part of the gold coin isn't the physical coin but merely the information it conveys 515321;1392787145;asciilifeform;was this really a shock to anyone? 515322;1392787166;mircea_popescu;decimation are we sure this is actually true ? 515323;1392787194;mircea_popescu;it could just as well show that the pedestrian definition of "physical" isn't really as important as we thought. 515324;1392787208;mircea_popescu;what is more "physically yours" than something nobody can take from you ? 515325;1392787230;mircea_popescu;the laws of physics are after all maffs, all of them. 515326;1392787232;decimation;in the final analysis everything can be taken from you, except your soul 515327;1392787246;mircea_popescu;are you kidding ? the soul is the first to go. 515328;1392787255;mircea_popescu;just meet a nice enough pair of legs. 515329;1392787258;mircea_popescu;or eyes or w/e. 515330;1392787278;asciilifeform;if gold could be teleported at will, and likewise stowed in an inaccessible 'never-land' by the owner, one would need no electronic cryptocoin. 515331;1392787313;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the absence of both of these being long regarded as a bug in the implementation of physicality. 515332;1392787355;mircea_popescu;lmao, reading those old article, a romanian joke : 515333;1392787364;mircea_popescu;guy buys a new car. friend asks him what color is it ? 515334;1392787372;mircea_popescu;"well... do you know the color of the sky just as the sun is rising ?" 515335;1392787373;mircea_popescu;"sure" 515336;1392787377;mircea_popescu;"just like that but green" 515337;1392787398;decimation;heh 515338;1392787423;decimation;I was watching Top Gear last sunday and they were driving a Dacia sedan 515339;1392787435;decimation;it's amazingly cheap for what you get 515340;1392787435;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 515341;1392787445;mircea_popescu;it is. 515342;1392787518;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=473902.msg1521109;topicseen#new 515343;1392787526;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: What protects the gold from malicious teleportation? 515344;1392787527;mircea_popescu;o it's back ? 515345;1392787541;ThickAsThieves;"This topic has been moved to Trashcan." 515346;1392787550;decimation;what if I teleported all the gold on Jupiter? 515347;1392787551;mircea_popescu;lol poor herbi 515348;1392787554;decimation;it seems inflationary 515349;1392787566;BingoBoingo;herbi needs so many learns 515350;1392787569;ozbot;MOVED: bitquant: Intrinsic Value and S.MPOE Market Implied EPS Growth 515351;1392787574;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: presumably it responds to the correct incantation only. 515352;1392787579;asciilifeform;(to follow the analogy) 515353;1392787585;decimation;and has limited range perhaps 515354;1392787589;mircea_popescu;decimation one of the advantages of au is that it being elemental, it's actually finite in any finite region of space. 515355;1392787615;asciilifeform;until people get eager enough to start throwing neutrons 515356;1392787619;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I mean we can add some crypto to gold teleportation, but at that point the gold may as well be superfluous 515357;1392787620;ThickAsThieves;thats quite a useful advantage 515358;1392787620;decimation;heh 515359;1392787626;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform fun fact : teleportable gold would be cheaper than gold as-is currently is. 515360;1392787626;asciilifeform;(see the 'price ceiling' discussion from a few months ago) 515361;1392787635;mircea_popescu;IN SPITE of being more useful 515362;1392787641;mircea_popescu;in the strict utilitarian view of utility. 515363;1392787647;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how could it be otherwise? 515364;1392787656;asciilifeform;no need to pay for transport, etc 515365;1392787662;mircea_popescu;well wouldn't a car which also sucks your cock be naturally more expensive than one that doesn't ? 515366;1392787672;mircea_popescu;as it has more "intrinsic utility" or w/e ? 515367;1392787676;asciilifeform;haha 515368;1392787694;mircea_popescu;kinda shows why the entire utilitarian and monetarist stuff is nonsense with a dab of cream. 515369;1392787705;decimation;it's my understanding that sdcards are cheaper than the equivlient plain flash ships 515370;1392787710;decimation;chips 515371;1392787710;asciilifeform;this is the correct approach to explanation, btw: stuff a crowbar in the contradictions between observed reality and the extant crap 515372;1392787716;asciilifeform;and jump on it 515373;1392787723;mircea_popescu;surely. 515374;1392787753;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think i may prove a metastability re neutronsa 515375;1392787757;asciilifeform;probably everyone here knows about modern 9 volt battery. 515376;1392787767;BingoBoingo;Oh the solar wind dude somehow managed to get scammier https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297334.msg5225572#msg5225572 515377;1392787773;asciilifeform;(go to your cellar, find one and saw it open.) 515378;1392787775;mircea_popescu;grossly stated, "seeing how the value of gold in a finite space would be a function of other physical processes in the same finite space, 515379;1392787779;ThickAsThieves;the one for your tongue 515380;1392787784;asciilifeform;then divide its cost by the five round cells inside. 515381;1392787786;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0995 = 0.2985 BTC [+] 515382;1392787787;mircea_popescu;the trade value of gold may never exceed the energetic cost of gold" 515383;1392787806;decimation;it's cheaper, I presume? 515384;1392787822;asciilifeform;palpably. 515385;1392787824;asciilifeform;at least here. 515386;1392787831;decimation;this is why I find the "oh noes, the deflation" objection to bitcoin hilarious 515387;1392787844;decimation;as MP pointed out bitcoin is inflationary for a long time 515388;1392787857;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan hey, makes two of us. 515389;1392787861;BingoBoingo;Is kakobrekla Slovenia or Slovakia, I forget. 515390;1392787869;decimation;electronics have gone up in value & down in price for decades 515391;1392787871;ThickAsThieves;Somalia 515392;1392787876;decimation;yet people are not "waiting to buy" computers 515393;1392787878;mircea_popescu;they're all the same anyway 515394;1392787881;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: But which one. 515395;1392787903;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu hi, I've been reading your blog and thought I'd check out the chat 515396;1392787927;mircea_popescu;a hey. 515397;1392787927;ThickAsThieves;Kakobreklia would be a cool name for a place 515398;1392787933;mircea_popescu;"It is plain to see, from both sides of the issue, the troubles associated with PayPal payments. The problem SWMC would have with accepting PayPal payments is this: An investor purchases a Contract for X-GH/s using PayPal for the purchase. The mined BTC for the Contracts is paid to the investor over the following 6 months (for this example, the life of profitability of the investment.) Then, sometime between 6 to 12 mo 515399;1392787933;mircea_popescu;nths after the purchase of the Contract" 515400;1392787939;mircea_popescu;lol BingoBoingo, this guy understands things. 515401;1392787944;mircea_popescu;THAT is going to be his problem. definitely. 515402;1392787962;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves prolly spelled kakobreklja 515403;1392787988;mircea_popescu;(they spell the ligature i as a j for some god forsaken reason) 515404;1392788018;ThickAsThieves;maybe i'll even remember that 515405;1392788032;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well he started with two other noobs. One had sense to quit hours after my blog post. The other didn't quit until a few weeks ago. The one unfortunately stuck with the forum handle has sent me so much angry correspondence. 515406;1392788046;mircea_popescu;aw 515407;1392788067;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves think marija 515408;1392788090;mircea_popescu;like Marija Lucija Stupica 515409;1392788102;BingoBoingo;So, I've bet on slovenia to beat Sweden in Olympic hockey to multiply my bet by 20 515410;1392788126;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo did you see halep making #9 wta ? 515411;1392788134;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I did indeed 515412;1392788150;mircea_popescu;bitch wins ima be like rich and everything. 515413;1392788167;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: If she matches up against WIlliam soon I'm going to make so much money and maybe kill a sportsbook. 515414;1392788194;mircea_popescu;i doubt miss williams wants to play a scrappy player from romania. 515415;1392788203;BingoBoingo;The Alma mater couldn't do it. Maybe this woman who turned tits into a rocket can. 515416;1392788243;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: In a tournament she may have no choice. 515417;1392788271;mircea_popescu;true true 515418;1392788393;BingoBoingo;The problem with boxing is the opposite thing. Where any party can veto any matchup. At least tennis forces these issues. 515419;1392788394;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=471533.msg5224445#msg5224445 515420;1392788396;ozbot;Bitcoin startups 515421;1392788398;mircea_popescu;this shit is pretty epic. 515422;1392788417;decimation;it strikes me as unlikely that random fanbois were able to actually design and build asics 515423;1392788426;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo boxing has the problem that every fight kills you a little. 515424;1392788436;mircea_popescu;tennis is free from this. if anything, every match makes you better. 515425;1392788477;mircea_popescu;decimation notice that asic production only began in earnest once the set of fanbois crossed into the 100k heads territory. 515426;1392788488;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: American handegg has the same problem as boxing. Amazing where ad revenue goes when fiat backs the ads. 515427;1392788523;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it's dubiously fiat's fault, seeing how the solidus and aureus backed the same principle. 515428;1392788638;decimation;I bought one of the knc miner neptunes, thinking they would deliver. In retrospect, it was a dumb idea. Now they want to deliver me rights to their "datacenter" that will mine for me 515429;1392788642;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, I think when herbi was trying to sculpt an orderbook I pointed out that in fiat world the cheapest part is the money. Maybe this week a trailer park sells for $200, maybe next for $200,000 515430;1392788688;BingoBoingo;I'd also like to remind nubbins' Namworld and truffles of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#510761 515431;1392788690;mircea_popescu;decimation "everyone's making roi" or how did the scammertalk go 515432;1392788761;decimation;yeah. they claim it's because they are having to delay delivery of the newer 20 nm chips 515433;1392788803;decimation;On the other hand, it's better than nothing at all, like BFL 515434;1392788822;mircea_popescu;o cause not having delivered anything else they're now delaying for better stuff to not deliver 515435;1392788829;mircea_popescu;this seems to me so familiar somehow... 515436;1392788838;BingoBoingo;decimation: BFL ships things... To Tiger Direct and newegg after their customers give up on them. 515437;1392788858;decimation;heh 515438;1392788895;BingoBoingo;I only learned of this yesterday. That BFL has a 10 GH/s miner sold through warehouse stores. 515439;1392788913;decimation;who is going to go to Sam's club to buy a bitcoin miner? 515440;1392788979;BingoBoingo;decimation: People who lack the btc to overstock.com? 515441;1392789006;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.0030323 = 0.4548 BTC [+] 515442;1392789018;mircea_popescu;"In 301, one gold aureus was worth 833⅓ denarii; by 324, the same aureus was worth 4,350 denarii. In 337, after Constantine converted to the solidus, one solidus was worth 275,000 denarii and finally, by 356, one solidus was worth 4,600,000 denarii." 515443;1392789028;mircea_popescu;i wonder what one could have bought with a denarius or two back then 515444;1392789038;mircea_popescu;but say it was like a dollar, you needed 5 of them for a cup of coffee 515445;1392789053;mircea_popescu;imagine walking around with ~50mn in the shape of ten coins, weighing 1/4 pound 515446;1392789080;BingoBoingo;Moar nao can fit on a microsd card. I'd like to feel that. 515447;1392789116;mircea_popescu;but the social implications 515448;1392789121;mircea_popescu;anyone could have taken your gold coins 515449;1392789125;mircea_popescu;yet society functioned just fine. 515450;1392789141;mircea_popescu;meanwhile today, abramovich visiting some london court has nowhere to eat. 515451;1392789159;mircea_popescu;i think one major point people fail to properly consider is just how unwarrantedly equalitarian society today is. 515452;1392789172;BingoBoingo;That point is true. 515453;1392789175;mircea_popescu;and just how unsustainable that theatre is, on the face. 515454;1392789176;decimation;it's a religion 515455;1392789202;mircea_popescu;decimation yeah, the religion of "views". 515456;1392789219;BingoBoingo;It doesn't even have the history to be religion. 515457;1392789221;greenspan_fan;alternatively, it's a cool-off 515458;1392789260;greenspan_fan;you're much less likely to get hassled as a billionaire if you pretend other people are worth as much as you by some metric 515459;1392789271;BingoBoingo;Fun would be taking a time machine back to 400AD carrying a pound of black pepper and an sks. 515460;1392789274;greenspan_fan;(just not the one you care about) 515461;1392789292;BingoBoingo;greenspan_fan: That is what your staff is for. 515462;1392789301;mircea_popescu;just the fact that someone'd even consider hassling you is indicative of serious systemic problems. 515463;1392789321;greenspan_fan;this isn't always the case though 515464;1392789324;mircea_popescu;ie, that tons of people are completely clueless as to their proper place in the world. 515465;1392789352;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you recall that "come up with what you'd take back in time" contest on trilema ? 515466;1392789355;*;BingoBoingo wants expandable ASP style batons with inbuilt electroshock devices to exist. 515467;1392789368;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: No, that may be before my time. 515468;1392789413;mircea_popescu;someone came up with tin foil iirc 515469;1392789441;mircea_popescu;i imagine tin foil'd make pretty good trade goods 515470;1392789446;greenspan_fan;I mean, if the true scope of the gulf between the average and someone in the 0.001% was really appreciable, the average person has so much less to lose 515471;1392789451;BingoBoingo;In Napoleon III's court Aluminium was worth everything 515472;1392789462;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan they all have equally the same to lose : their place in the world. 515473;1392789482;mircea_popescu;this notion that anyone could be anything is kind-of strange. 515474;1392789492;mircea_popescu;all comparison predicated on it even stranger. 515475;1392789518;greenspan_fan;true, but people have some grasp of how far the fall is for others 515476;1392789555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8133 @ 0.00086557 = 7.0397 BTC [-] 515477;1392789555;BingoBoingo;If a billionaire falls 99% in the forbes standings they are still richer than Rap Genius 515478;1392789563;mircea_popescu;cryptorush is a fine example in an endless string of fine examples as to why this nonsense is harmful to the stupid poor. 515479;1392789588;greenspan_fan;which nonsense? that anyone can be anything? 515480;1392789608;mircea_popescu;in general, if you're too stupid to make a pan, you're much better off thinking you're too stupid to make a pan thank thinking you're smart enough to make a pan. 515481;1392789616;mircea_popescu;yes. 515482;1392789639;decimation;Herr Yarvin has a giant meandering post on topic: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/09/technology-communism-and-brown-scare.html 515483;1392789653;mircea_popescu;arguably society as a whole extracts more benefits from the stupid who think themselves smart than from any other venue, 515484;1392789657;mircea_popescu;but this seems hardly sustainable. 515485;1392789678;mircea_popescu;decimation http://trilema.com/2013/youre-the-guy-who-wasnt-good-enough-to-sling-dope/ 515486;1392789685;mircea_popescu;no shortage of posts on the subject methinks :D 515487;1392789688;decimation;In old Japan, it wasn't illegal to be an asshole. It wasn't even illegal to be an asshole to a samurai. But it was illegal to be an asshole to a samurai - if you weren't a samurai. See how it works? You might say the samurai were a sort of protected class. A system not at all unique to old Japan. Always and everywhere, "microaggressing" against the protected class is hazardous to your health. 515488;1392789740;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu: I don't understand-- why more benefits? why unsustainable? 515489;1392789744;mircea_popescu;decimation dunno how far i'd take that always and everywhere, i like say nigger and shit. 515490;1392789759;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan check the sling dope article ? 515491;1392789773;mircea_popescu;after which i'll gladly answer if you need further answering 515492;1392789801;asciilifeform;nobody cancelled this 515493;1392789815;asciilifeform;try microaggressing against herr dimon, should you ever chance to encounter him in a lift. 515494;1392789826;decimation;well, Herr Yarvin's point is that the niggers have taken the place of the roman duke 515495;1392789829;decimation;with all the attendant rot 515496;1392789841;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform like what, say he is ugly and his mother dresses him funny ? 515497;1392789850;asciilifeform;yarvin also noted 'yi yi zhi yi' 515498;1392789967;decimation;yeah there's no doubt that the elite whites in America would import any barbarian available to level their redneck enemies 515499;1392789969;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform srsly, construct a microagression scenario. 515500;1392789975;mircea_popescu;call him a rapist ? what ? 515501;1392790035;decimation;I suspect that merely attempting to enter the same confined room with him would be considered a 'microagression' 515502;1392790066;mircea_popescu;uh 515503;1392790080;mircea_popescu;you're nuts, i rode in elevators with all sorts of people, what 515504;1392790112;mircea_popescu;this pokemania stuff is very recent. 515505;1392790157;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu: read it; still unsure why it's unsustainable-- 0->1 SD is always going to be about 18% 515506;1392790188;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan it's unsustainable because it creates frustration in the stupid. 515507;1392790194;mircea_popescu;frustration in the stupid can never be resolved. 515508;1392790201;mircea_popescu;thus the costs baloon to eventual doom. 515509;1392790225;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu: they move on to a new fandom (catharsis!) or get a clue; new people are attracted by the same mechanisms as the previous cohort 515510;1392790241;mircea_popescu;this in the ideal, business plan rendition of the thing (infinite hitpoints etc) 515511;1392790259;mircea_popescu;in the real retelling of the situation, they start smoking pcp and quit showing up for work. 515512;1392790298;mircea_popescu;all the problems the us faces today are strictly an attempt to somehow manage the frustration of the stupid that the unsustainable system induced. 515513;1392790315;mircea_popescu;people much poorer who lack the delusions of grandeur are actually doing just fine all over the rest 19/20ths of the world. 515514;1392790342;chetty;well these days they try to exploit the frustration 515515;1392790347;mircea_popescu;so, unsustainable budgets because of "mandatory" social spending, 515516;1392790356;mircea_popescu;unsustainable budgets because no business whatsoever, 515517;1392790387;mircea_popescu;the country's nigh on ungovernable, and the reason is simply that the 4/5ths of the population that are the idiots believe they are not actually subhuman. 515518;1392790423;greenspan_fan;yeah, I sort of wonder how it will all play out 515519;1392790437;mircea_popescu;every dood with a ged and a history of shelf stacking thinks they're a person just as much as me. this bizarre state of affairs can only lead to fallover. 515520;1392790470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8819 @ 0.00086557 = 7.6335 BTC [-] 515521;1392790471;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan well how could it play out ? teh fifth that matters tried to voice till they got bored, now they're mostly exiting 515522;1392790487;asciilifeform;for those who somehow avoided hearing of it, a basic 'newton's laws' of the degringolade: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/p/the-five-stages-of-collapse.html 515523;1392790489;mircea_popescu;to use decimation's earlier terminology. 515524;1392790539;asciilifeform;strike that 515525;1392790540;asciilifeform;http://www.resilience.org/stories/2008-11-11/five-stages-collapse 515526;1392790552;asciilifeform;(the original piece, vs. the ad for the book-length elaboration) 515527;1392790557;ozbot;The Five Stages of Collapse 515528;1392790567;decimation;I like to experience the fifth stage when I play dayz 515529;1392790568;greenspan_fan;thx, read it 515530;1392790572;mircea_popescu;uh orlov deleted it from his blog ? 515531;1392790576;asciilifeform;nope 515532;1392790577;greenspan_fan;the question is where can you exit to? 515533;1392790580;asciilifeform;it's just buried 515534;1392790586;decimation;there is no exit 515535;1392790591;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan generally, the third world or your dreams. 515536;1392790622;asciilifeform;inner emigration. works great until gasenwagen. 515537;1392790624;mircea_popescu;romans exited to gaul, byzantines exited to the arabs and northern europe etc 515538;1392790645;asciilifeform;(re dreams) 515539;1392790663;greenspan_fan;haha 515540;1392790665;decimation;perhaps it will be possible that a group of pissed off Euros will invade some reasonable turd world country and create a colony 515541;1392790676;mircea_popescu;Solzhenitsyn spent a while exiting in his head then did it properly 515542;1392790678;decimation;except they would be the mortal enemies of the entire multicult 515543;1392790686;mircea_popescu;decimation like what, argentina ? 515544;1392790686;greenspan_fan;it already happened once 515545;1392790705;asciilifeform;orlov has a pretty good 'do it now, in the open, and they'll zap you' piece 515546;1392790731;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i believe that to be a lie. would you say i'm not personally an example of in the open etc ? 515547;1392790739;asciilifeform;re: en masse colonies 515548;1392790744;asciilifeform;rather than individual escapees 515549;1392790746;mircea_popescu;o i thought re exits 515550;1392790757;mircea_popescu;i sitll have my doubts tho. 515551;1392790762;decimation;bitcoin seems to be a charmed matter 515552;1392790767;asciilifeform;u.s. is Elphialtes 'with an army and navy.' 515553;1392790771;mircea_popescu;the us does not have anything like the projective powers it imagines it has. 515554;1392790777;decimation;it sufficiently conflicts the interests of the bureaucrats that they cannot see the threat clearly 515555;1392790781;greenspan_fan;military bases in half the world's countries 515556;1392790785;asciilifeform;fuck, not ephialtes 515557;1392790788;asciilifeform;but the other fellow 515558;1392790793;*;asciilifeform should go to bed 515559;1392790803;decimation;yeah me too 515560;1392790803;greenspan_fan;higher defense spending than just about every other country combined 515561;1392790808;asciilifeform;Ephialtes of Trachis 515562;1392790814;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan you know, anyone can bezzle. 515563;1392790816;asciilifeform;as seen in '300' 515564;1392790826;greenspan_fan;I think they do, but it would be politically complicated to actually deploy it. 515565;1392790844;mircea_popescu;haha where did i hear that last 515566;1392790849;mircea_popescu;wait, was it the soviets ? i think it was. 515567;1392790855;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu: yes, but if they decided to actually get their money's worth it would be spectacular 515568;1392790858;mircea_popescu;"we could do it but we don wanna!" 515569;1392790864;mircea_popescu;no, it wouldn't be. 515570;1392790869;mircea_popescu;lemme tell you a story. 515571;1392790870;asciilifeform;the lepers will not suffer an identifiable colony of the healthy to live 515572;1392790870;decimation;all of that fancy military hardware would be gone tomorrow if the dollar collapsed 515573;1392790875;asciilifeform;if they have any say about it. 515574;1392790877;mircea_popescu;an old american moves to a thai village. 515575;1392790886;mircea_popescu;he has pension payments, and the thai are poor. 515576;1392790894;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, he's a frail old man without a clue. 515577;1392790903;mircea_popescu;so he ends up "investing" : he buys a share in the local cafe 515578;1392790906;mircea_popescu;and i nthe local whorehouse 515579;1392790911;mircea_popescu;(but he still has to pay for service) 515580;1392790916;mircea_popescu;eventually he's out of money, 515581;1392790928;mircea_popescu;but he's too kindly to actually cash in on his investments that looky helped the village thrive. 515582;1392790934;mircea_popescu;if he did tho... well it'd be spectacular. 515583;1392790948;mircea_popescu;no, it wouldn't be. he'd just be stripped naked and anally raped with a pole for public amusement. 515584;1392790958;mircea_popescu;it is best for his future to stfu and kowtow. 515585;1392790986;asciilifeform;that's because he's piss-poor (in the non-monetary economy of the place, the one that actually counts) 515586;1392790993;mircea_popescu;exactly like the us. 515587;1392790998;mircea_popescu;as the entire snowden thing shows. 515588;1392791017;mircea_popescu;somehow it wasn't a north vietnamese that leaked the homemade porn of the fucktarded "supreme leader" 515589;1392791022;greenspan_fan;but in cases of embezzlement, they're wasting capacity 515590;1392791078;greenspan_fan;a national emergency (when government and contractor interests are aligned) would actually put that capacity to use 515591;1392791088;mircea_popescu;you are very naive indeed. 515592;1392791101;decimation;such an emergency is precisely the time that the unpayable debts become due 515593;1392791108;mircea_popescu;ever heard of the an lushan rebellion ? 515594;1392791124;greenspan_fan;that's pretty obscure 515595;1392791125;asciilifeform;what soviet arms, with the possible exception of trench-diggers at tbilisi, quelled the rebellions? 515596;1392791132;mircea_popescu;ok, well, it was a major rebellion in china 515597;1392791146;mircea_popescu;it shows that in a national emergency the govt and contractor interests are not merely not alligned 515598;1392791150;mircea_popescu;but actually not allignable. 515599;1392791158;decimation;plenty of rebellions were fueled by cheap ak's though 515600;1392791185;mircea_popescu;i suppose one could take the parliamentary wars in england too 515601;1392791191;asciilifeform;decimation: don't confuse the aftermath of the romans/soviets marching home from the colonies with rebellion. 515602;1392791208;greenspan_fan;like those around 1600-1700? 515603;1392791212;mircea_popescu;a, now in THAT case the interests allign. 515604;1392791237;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan yes the stuff around charles 515605;1392791254;asciilifeform;orlov's point 'business-as-usual is a manufactured product' is a useful one 515606;1392791273;asciilifeform;once the collective hallucination pops, no amount of public beheading brings it back 515607;1392791318;mircea_popescu;moreover, finding agents to do the beheading becomes expensive 515608;1392791324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 7000 @ 0.0002 = 1.4 BTC [+] 515609;1392791329;mircea_popescu;for they well know that the enemy may or may not be inclined to buy the nurnberg defense. 515610;1392791358;asciilifeform;usually, free agents account for most of the heads, though 515611;1392791380;mircea_popescu;the beauty of "national emergencies" is that even bureaucrats suddenly become free agents 515612;1392791390;mircea_popescu;which they live subjectively as a rape by reality. 515613;1392791407;asciilifeform;chechen: 'nice house.' russian: 'it's mine. wanna buy?' chechen: 'i'll talk it over with my chums, we'll see you at 0400 hrs for a chat' next day: chechens in house, pigs eat well 515614;1392791441;decimation;for the select few like Cromwell, they can ride the wave of terror to new heights 515615;1392791444;decimation;most end up dead 515616;1392791454;mircea_popescu;decimation the reference was pre cromwell tho 515617;1392791462;mircea_popescu;rump parliament et all. charles' problems. 515618;1392791480;mircea_popescu;obviously all power vacuums create plugs, much like all drainage pipes create clogs 515619;1392791485;mircea_popescu;but we're not there yet. 515620;1392791492;BingoBoingo;Lessons in BTC business http://www.spike.com/episodes/9tk3so/bar-rescue-on-the-rocks-season-2-ep-209 515621;1392791507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 301 @ 0.00086849 = 0.2614 BTC [+] 515622;1392791557;decimation;the Reformation is another example - once Luther revealed the lies of the church, hundreds of third parties immediatedly started to grasp for the raw power up for grabs 515623;1392791582;greenspan_fan;i'd still say that the u.s. could project more power but doesn't because the world is too complicated. Something might be a good idea tactically but terrible strategically, etc. 515624;1392791588;mircea_popescu;not sure that's the read i'd put on luteranism 515625;1392791610;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan it could project more power at the risk of having its arms broken off and used to beat it over the head. 515626;1392791619;greenspan_fan;in the event of some unifying scenario of principle actors (say, a world war) they'd be much more effective 515627;1392791623;mircea_popescu;consider the simple point of the wtc bombing. 515628;1392791629;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 1400 @ 0.00021 = 0.294 BTC [+] 515629;1392791638;mircea_popescu;ten arabs turned a spot of their choosing in manhattan from bank to mosque. 515630;1392791659;mircea_popescu;at a cost to the us of about billions in direct damages, and then billions more in materiel over a war they've yet to win. 515631;1392791690;mircea_popescu;soo... for the arab side : 1.enemies looses bank ; 2. we gain mosque ; 3. we destroy some enemy wealth ; 4. enemy destroys some more of its own wealth. 515632;1392791693;mircea_popescu;seems a win win win win. 515633;1392791694;greenspan_fan;ok, we cannot take the actions of george bush as an example of great or even good strategy 515634;1392791708;mircea_popescu;we can take the historical facts as historical facts tho. 515635;1392791709;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for the folks who actually run the place, this was an epic pants-creaming victory, rather than the apparent humiliation. 515636;1392791712;decimation;george bush was a figurehead upon a bureaucracy 515637;1392791714;mircea_popescu;it wasn't bush building a mosque there. 515638;1392791724;greenspan_fan;the smarter move would've been to mourn and then move on 515639;1392791737;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so for the folks running the forbidden city all sorts of things were epic pants creaming victories. 515640;1392791748;mircea_popescu;up until the time when barbarians stormed in and took a piss on their kimono 515641;1392791812;greenspan_fan;asciilifeform also, it lead to the election of obama, and some of those people (depending on proximity to political center) were terrified of what he might do 515642;1392791812;mircea_popescu;anyway. obama thought he's tough tits, talked shit to putin like any random forum retard. 515643;1392791820;mircea_popescu;he got beaten into a pulp. like any forum retard. 515644;1392791826;mircea_popescu;i don't see this exceptionalism of bush you propose. 515645;1392791844;greenspan_fan;his administration made exceptionally bad choices, is all 515646;1392791846;mircea_popescu;he seems more or less average. 515647;1392791856;mircea_popescu;not worse than the current 515648;1392791879;greenspan_fan;compare w/ clinton or nixon as executives, though 515649;1392791889;mircea_popescu;arguably clinton was a lot better than the lot of them, but hey. he didn;t in the end have the balls to come out and say "i am the president. i fuck whoever i want whenever i want in whatever manner i feel like. get lost twerps" 515650;1392791946;greenspan_fan;political considerations (can't do much if other democrats can't get elected). Which is the price you pay for living in an egalitarian society. 515651;1392791959;decimation;nixon was terrible; he fathered the modern multicult 515652;1392791988;greenspan_fan;his administration was one of the most well run in recent memory 515653;1392792012;mircea_popescu;nixon was pretty atrocious, politically speaking. 515654;1392792018;mircea_popescu;surprising you don't have reagan in there, really. 515655;1392792032;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan go into detail re: well run. use examples. 515656;1392792079;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that yarvin piece is absolutely fuckingly hysterically funny, because : 515657;1392792088;mircea_popescu;" I was pretty amazed that he went for it. He flat out said that he wants his film to be funded and wasn't sure if it'd be possible after all of his, and I replied that it realistically wasn't going to happen without the say-so of someone like me, and I wasn't inclined to give some producer the nod on this. " 515658;1392792112;greenspan_fan;The ones that come to mind in terms of achievements: detente, opened relations w/ china, created EPA, 515659;1392792114;mircea_popescu;the "someone like me" is some nobody on twitter, whose claim to fame was "retweeting only women" 515660;1392792120;asciilifeform;wait which? 515661;1392792122;mircea_popescu;that such terpitude even exists in the open... 515662;1392792135;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the bron scare one. 515663;1392792142;asciilifeform;aha 515664;1392792144;decimation;his post about Anil Dash 515665;1392792147;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan i thought we were discussing projection of power. 515666;1392792151;mircea_popescu;did the subject change ? 515667;1392792190;mircea_popescu;somehow somewhere in this world this fucktard exists, and he doth believe he meaningfully has any impact on anything whatsoever. 515668;1392792198;mircea_popescu;this is like dr greg to the power of ten 515669;1392792234;greenspan_fan;sort of-- you asked me to qualify "well-run" re: nixon. Who I had used as an example of executive quality impacting projection of power via strategic considerations 515670;1392792264;mircea_popescu;i asked you to qualify well run strictly in the context of our discussion. 515671;1392792272;mircea_popescu;which is how i took it you meant it. 515672;1392792282;mircea_popescu;otherwise you know... some presidents were really tall and handsome. 515673;1392792287;greenspan_fan;haha 515674;1392792308;asciilifeform;discussions like this inevitably conflate '...was an effective ruler' and 'the buttons on his throne still worked in those days.' 515675;1392792309;mircea_popescu;again reagan 515676;1392792309;mircea_popescu;lol 515677;1392792313;greenspan_fan;I wanted to avoid vietnam and associated regions because that's a debate quagmire 515678;1392792332;mircea_popescu;only debatable in the sense of debatably useful for your side in this discussion 515679;1392792343;mircea_popescu;otherwise it easily sums up to "example of the us failing to project its claimed power" 515680;1392792361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00086852 = 8.2509 BTC [+] {2} 515681;1392792374;greenspan_fan;but clearly, being able to get china/su to come to the table entails some projection of power, no? 515682;1392792378;mircea_popescu;no. 515683;1392792382;asciilifeform;the buttons are a little dodgy nowadays. some clogged with spoodge, some connected to winblows '98 boxen, others miswired. 515684;1392792384;mircea_popescu;any woman can get men to come to her table, 515685;1392792389;mircea_popescu;all she needs is to lift the tail. 515686;1392792413;greenspan_fan;but for nixon it wasn't from a position of supplication 515687;1392792424;mircea_popescu;nor was it from its opposite. 515688;1392792438;mircea_popescu;nixon in china is nothing like breznev in china. 515689;1392792455;decimation;you should read what Chiang Kai-Shek thought of Nixon 515690;1392792462;greenspan_fan;so for the us to successfully projected power, it would have to treat china like panama? 515691;1392792480;mircea_popescu;that would be what you're proposing, n'est pas ? that it could do such a thing, "if need be" 515692;1392792511;greenspan_fan;chiang kai shek was a miserable bastard who was mad at the us because they got shafted after wwii and korea 515693;1392792517;decimation;lol 515694;1392792530;mircea_popescu;uh 515695;1392792542;mircea_popescu;wait, nixon wasn't a miserable bastard ? 515696;1392792544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40790 @ 0.00086911 = 35.451 BTC [+] {4} 515697;1392792547;mircea_popescu;or brejnev or who exactly. 515698;1392792551;decimation;read some history dude http://www.amazon.com/Chiang-Kai-Shek-Chinas-Generalissimo/dp/0786714840 515699;1392792565;greenspan_fan;on my bookshelf, but haven't read it 515700;1392792577;decimation;the us abandoned china to Stalin and Mao 515701;1392792586;mircea_popescu;eh 515702;1392792586;decimation;because FDR loved him some commies, more or less 515703;1392792593;mircea_popescu;jackshit they could have done, cmon. 515704;1392792601;greenspan_fan;no, it was truman's/eisenhower's decision 515705;1392792609;decimation;fdr's lackeys 515706;1392792617;mircea_popescu;it was plato's decision just as well heh. 515707;1392792632;greenspan_fan;post wwii, macarthur planned to open the korean theatre to include china as well 515708;1392792634;mircea_popescu;"i decide not to fly to mars" 515709;1392792663;greenspan_fan;he and chiang conspired to attack on two fronts 515710;1392792674;asciilifeform;decimation: problem with herry moldy & co. is that the west refrained from 'dulles plan' (rearm the jerries and play a rematch in '45) because they knew they'd have their balls handed to them 515711;1392792683;greenspan_fan;the joint chiefs advised against it so it ended up not happening 515712;1392792700;asciilifeform;and not because of the u.s admins being traitors in disguise 515713;1392792707;greenspan_fan;true 515714;1392792709;decimation;My objection is to FDR's "europoe first" strategy 515715;1392792720;mircea_popescu;decimation because why ? 515716;1392792722;greenspan_fan;why? 515717;1392792729;asciilifeform;not enought nukes on the shelf at that point to make a meaningful difference 515718;1392792735;mircea_popescu;without that the us story would have ended in the 60s rather than 50 years later. 515719;1392792761;decimation;if china were secured, hitler would have been worn down 515720;1392792768;mircea_popescu;>.< 515721;1392792771;decimation;by internal squabble and bureaucracy 515722;1392792775;mircea_popescu;you have any idea what "china" cca 1945 means ? 515723;1392792791;decimation;right, it's basically a massive number of peasents 515724;1392792795;mircea_popescu;the only factory produced chewing gum. 515725;1392792801;decimation;eh, fuck it you're right 515726;1392792804;greenspan_fan;not really sure if that was winnable, and also, germany constituted a much greater threat 515727;1392792818;decimation;even 1942 US would have been able to marshal them to do anything useful 515728;1392792821;mircea_popescu;germany left alone to overrun england'd have been a royal fucking pain. 515729;1392792831;decimation;"would not have been" 515730;1392792874;decimation;ascii, do you believe in Moldbug's "Hitler invaded Russia in self defense idea"? 515731;1392792883;decimation;it seems a pretty big stretch 515732;1392792903;asciilifeform;lifted from Rezun 515733;1392792908;decimation;yeah 515734;1392792938;mircea_popescu;it does seem the sort of nonsense he publishes for the sake of being interesting to chicks. 515735;1392792977;asciilifeform;whose writings on subjects he was personally connected with (gru, spetznaz) were interesting and plausible, the other stuff, not so much. 515736;1392793001;decimation;it seems that there would be a pile of nazi intelligence or something that would substantiate the claim 515737;1392793009;decimation;I've no doubt that Stalin had the motive and opportunity 515738;1392793010;mircea_popescu;"You know, Goog, once you start lying, there's really no end to it. For one thing, even if your enemies ignore lying, defensive evasion, and other telltale "beta" behaviors, they still own you." <<< whoa. 515739;1392793023;mircea_popescu;so yarvin delivers. there, greenspan_fan is a short and sweet explanation of the concept. 515740;1392793040;mircea_popescu;whether its enemies actually bother to call the us on its gargle or not... they still own it. 515741;1392793044;mircea_popescu;and pretty much everyone knows. 515742;1392793047;decimation;yeah exactly. 1942 US would not have been alpha enough to marshal the oriental hordes into invading moscow 515743;1392793063;BingoBoingo;The story of CoinBase http://www.spike.com/episodes/81jluh/bar-rescue-yo-ho-ho-and-a-bottle-of-dumb-season-2-ep-201 515744;1392793074;mircea_popescu;decimation average han guy marching ~1700 days on foot to reach moscow ?! 515745;1392793077;asciilifeform;the whole notion of applying concepts from 'human' civvie life, with various connotations, like 'self defence', to the doings of empires, is fundamentally disingenuous. 515746;1392793083;mircea_popescu;not for a thousand houris. 515747;1392793113;decimation;one laughs at the thought 515748;1392793148;mircea_popescu;decimation in one of the countless retellings of the entire nazi thing (a woman in berlin) 515749;1392793162;mircea_popescu;a russian officer makes the point that most of the russian soldiers didn't even know wtf germany is 515750;1392793173;mircea_popescu;before it had to fucking invade. and they likely wouldn't have cared to find out. 515751;1392793230;decimation;it's true. the invasion creates a Schelling point 515752;1392793268;mircea_popescu;hitler was, if my otherwise uninformed opinion interests, simply caught in a battle with his own demons. 515753;1392793287;mircea_popescu;the old plans (from ww2) called for germany to sweep west into france and then east to russia 515754;1392793295;mircea_popescu;this for very good reasons having to do with mobilization times. 515755;1392793304;mircea_popescu;hitler had an inferiority complex to the "old regime" 515756;1392793316;decimation;his betters? 515757;1392793316;mircea_popescu;and never was fully confident in his actually much smarter military advisers. 515758;1392793323;mircea_popescu;so he just tried to do what the pops did. 515759;1392793338;mircea_popescu;the old plans (from ww1) i mean 515760;1392793358;mircea_popescu;of course the great germany of ww1 fielded as many people as russia did, 515761;1392793363;mircea_popescu;and about 2x as many as france. 515762;1392793366;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: There is a huge gulf between an Officer and a Soldier though. 515763;1392793378;mircea_popescu;well, corporal as the case may be. 515764;1392793397;asciilifeform;everyone here read 'hitler's table talk' ? 515765;1392793403;mircea_popescu;i have not. 515766;1392793404;decimation;?? 515767;1392793406;asciilifeform;recommended. 515768;1392793420;mircea_popescu;how the fuck am i going to read anything, im stuck here with you guise, 515769;1392793424;mircea_popescu;reading all the words 515770;1392793427;asciilifeform;haha 515771;1392793428;decimation;hehe yeah 515772;1392793440;decimation;speaking of which I must sleep or my mind will be useless 515773;1392793443;mircea_popescu;nn 515774;1392793453;greenspan_fan;cya 515775;1392793483;*;asciilifeform wanders off to read 1970s Наука и жизнь, on brand new 2560 x 1600 lcd. 515776;1392793594;BingoBoingo;Officer vs Soldier is Usagi versus Usagi's self image. 515777;1392793645;greenspan_fan;hey, I was wondering: is there anyone keeping track of mt. gox's inflows/outflows? or are those too hard to identify/untangle? 515778;1392793821;mircea_popescu;the thinking is that you're more likely to misinform than inform trying to do that. 515779;1392793852;greenspan_fan;I am assuming it's hugely profitable for those who have been keeping track 515780;1392793885;mircea_popescu;how you figure ? 515781;1392793915;greenspan_fan;it should be near zero or near the other exchanges, if enough people knew if it was (in)solvent, right? 515782;1392793970;mircea_popescu;so if mtgox recycles its deposits to its own addresses fifty times it now has paid out 50x its actual capital ? 515783;1392793981;greenspan_fan;the fact that it isn't (and assuming it's possible to trade in any volume) means that you'd be selling/buying from people who clearly don't know as much as you do 515784;1392794009;greenspan_fan;no, I mean, if you're able to buy from them and subsequently transfer from them 515785;1392794026;greenspan_fan;or alternatively, sell your account/wallet to someone else who thinks they're solvent 515786;1392794069;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 27500 @ 0.00018025 = 4.9569 BTC [-] {26} 515787;1392794073;Vexual;or have another milkshake and stay rotund 515788;1392794090;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014#491406 515789;1392794145;mircea_popescu;and of course http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2014#493216 515790;1392794170;greenspan_fan;my personal belief is that they're fucked, but it'd be profitable to know one way or the other 515791;1392794191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8840 @ 0.00086649 = 7.6598 BTC [-] {2} 515792;1392794252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 760 @ 0.00087008 = 0.6613 BTC [+] 515793;1392794267;Vexual;thats prolly exactly what they're thinking greenspan_fan 515794;1392794275;greenspan_fan;haha 515795;1392794733;Vexual;i wonder if they even know how much they double spent 515796;1392794769;greenspan_fan;here's all you need to know, haha : https://twitter.com/MtGox 515797;1392794795;BingoBoingo;greenspan_fan: There is a lot to learn from Vexual 515798;1392794812;greenspan_fan;sorry, wasn't trying to be rude 515799;1392794862;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00305 = 0.1983 BTC [+] 515800;1392794879;benkay;anything interesting happen today BingoBoingo? 515801;1392794897;greenspan_fan;my impression was that they're past the point of being a functioning business since they're not bothering to update/answer customers, and one of the public facing parts of their business (twitter) hasn't been updated and what is there is embarrassing, since, like a month ago 515802;1392794923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8814 @ 0.00086509 = 7.6249 BTC [-] {4} 515803;1392794937;BingoBoingo;benkay: Just fucking with the car again 515804;1392794951;greenspan_fan;so the heuristic judgement suggests a significant amount of double spending 515805;1392794955;BingoBoingo;Fucking check engine light 515806;1392794960;greenspan_fan;slash double withdrawals, w/e 515807;1392794982;BingoBoingo;greenspan_fan: I suspect more just Mark has a touch of downs and imagines he can hug away his scams 515808;1392794984;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1292 @ 0.00086423 = 1.1166 BTC [-] 515809;1392794984;benkay;where's my berkely auto distribution 515810;1392795168;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 90 @ 0.0055 = 0.495 BTC 515811;1392795178;Vexual;hook it up to some interior disco leds BingoBoingo 515812;1392795224;Vexual;fixed! 515813;1392795228;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.539 BTC [+] 515814;1392795233;greenspan_fan;BingoBoingo his repeated lack of response to those protesters is not a good sign either 515815;1392795406;BingoBoingo;Vexual: The way the car is now, I might give myself epilipsy trying that. 515816;1392795424;BingoBoingo;greenspan_fan: Protesters are worthless unless they go as far as Ukraine. 515817;1392795529;greenspan_fan;BingoBoingo but you'd think that after the fifth encounter he might have something to say? 515818;1392795580;BingoBoingo;greenspan_fan: People have things to say. Scammers though prefer to say less. 515819;1392795594;greenspan_fan;exactly 515820;1392795608;BingoBoingo;From Mr. Ponzi to Mr. Karpales 515821;1392795687;BingoBoingo;Oh, how did this n00b post to a locked thread? 515822;1392795688;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=142101.msg5190355#msg5190355 515823;1392795704;Vexual;coz disco lights 515824;1392795706;ozbot;BitcoinSports.eu - Bitcoin Sportsbook - Parlays & Teasers - No Registration 515825;1392795716;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8442 @ 0.00017014 = 1.4363 BTC [-] {11} 515826;1392795838;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00303 = 0.2424 BTC [-] 515827;1392795899;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00303 = 0.2727 BTC [-] 515828;1392796082;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1558 @ 0.00017 = 0.2649 BTC [-] {4} 515829;1392796136;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/435871088216510464 515830;1392796144;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @nntaleb Hey, I wanna give ... 515831;1392796145;mircea_popescu;taleb doesn't want bitcoins too ;/ 515832;1392796177;Vexual;whos that guy? 515833;1392796231;mircea_popescu;he invented swans. 515834;1392796238;Vexual;he looks like a fuckwit 515835;1392796247;mircea_popescu;he's possibly the only smart guy on twitter. 515836;1392796273;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Do you need someone to talk to 'Muricans? 515837;1392796273;Vexual;i could be wrong 515838;1392796283;mircea_popescu;that all depends. 515839;1392796309;greenspan_fan;did you read antifragile? 515840;1392796326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6522 @ 0.00086734 = 5.6568 BTC [+] 515841;1392796328;greenspan_fan;it was really bad in comparison to tbs and fbr 515842;1392796396;davout;hi assets 515843;1392796444;mircea_popescu;heya 515844;1392796473;davout;don't give dem coins away 515845;1392796486;davout;it usually goes that way in my experience 515846;1392796493;davout;"umm, well thanks" 515847;1392796493;Vexual;davout votes 4 515848;1392796509;davout;two years later, when price did x100 515849;1392796555;davout;"oh hey, remmember this bitcoin you gave me? lost it" 515850;1392796566;davout;and variations thereof 515851;1392796608;davout;also do enjoy some of my new blog for brekko : http://blog.bitcoin-central.net/2014/02/18/the-chameleon-first-impressions/ 515852;1392796625;mircea_popescu;davout i wouldn't particularly mind having this to hold over taleb. 515853;1392796632;mircea_popescu;especially because of all the shit he's written. 515854;1392796666;davout;makes sense 515855;1392796679;mircea_popescu;omfg that is bad. 515856;1392796803;davout;"and these words convinced me to blog-pukku" 515857;1392796814;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.0053 = 0.1802 BTC [+] 515858;1392796815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00086734 = 1.9081 BTC [+] 515859;1392796845;mircea_popescu;davout which you mean ? 515860;1392796858;davout;blog-seppuku 515861;1392796889;mircea_popescu;uh what's that mean ? 515862;1392796895;davout;if the first comment i get about it is "omfg that is bad." :-) 515863;1392796897;mircea_popescu;dun tell me you deleted it, i just linked it from twitter 515864;1392796904;mircea_popescu;well, the thing you discuss is bad. 515865;1392796907;mircea_popescu;the blog post is fine 515866;1392796934;davout;ah thank you! 515867;1392796986;davout;it kinda looks like the store-your-porn kind of security device, not the store-your-bitcoin-wallet 515868;1392797119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00087057 = 12.6233 BTC [+] {2} 515869;1392797136;B007;haha I have an address 515870;1392797147;B007;10 000 of them 515871;1392797178;mircea_popescu;B007 yeah but you don't have the name. 515872;1392797181;mircea_popescu;funny how nature works. 515873;1392797187;B007;mmhmm 515874;1392797215;B007;well im in cs so 515875;1392797219;B007;maybe someday 515876;1392797233;B007;after school 515877;1392797239;mircea_popescu;indeed so. 515878;1392797337;B007;And I met this pentester that works at hp 515879;1392797341;B007;kinda interesting 515880;1392797393;B007;he makes 100 000 + a year 515881;1392797476;B007;this guy https://twitter.com/Jhaddix 515882;1392797536;greenspan_fan;isn't that kinda low? 515883;1392797565;greenspan_fan;or 100000+ from bounties alone? 515884;1392797576;BingoBoingo;Bar Rescue might be the second best education in BTC business 515885;1392797615;B007;greenspan_fan: I mean I don't know exactly how much he makes 515886;1392797644;B007;I was told around 100 000 so 515887;1392797681;mircea_popescu;so oprah rich. 515888;1392797720;B007;lol 515889;1392797721;greenspan_fan;someday, once my dogecoin mining rig comes in 515890;1392797743;B007;lol 515891;1392797746;BingoBoingo;greenspan_fan: That day you will ency BFL customers or what? 515892;1392797770;greenspan_fan;haha, who do you think I ordered from? 515893;1392797788;mircea_popescu;bfl makes doge coin miners ? 515894;1392797792;greenspan_fan;it cost a lot, but you have to spend dr. phil money to become oprah rich 515895;1392797794;greenspan_fan;it's a joke 515896;1392797796;mircea_popescu;well. "makes". 515897;1392797866;greenspan_fan;a friend of mine ordered a miner from them and now uses it mainly as a space heater 515898;1392797877;greenspan_fan;so probably a bad investment 515899;1392797966;B007;coinbase is surprisingly stable. been around 600 usd / 1 btc forever. artificial? 515900;1392798008;BingoBoingo;B007: Can it be anything else? 515901;1392798146;greenspan_fan;looking on their website, their charts stop in december: https://coinbase.com/charts 515902;1392798400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8693 @ 0.00087066 = 7.5686 BTC [+] 515903;1392798527;Vexual;nubbins' might get you some good organic bitcoins 515904;1392798708;Vexual;mircea_popescu, it stikes me that the collected works of this taleb fellow might cost less to buy than 1bc, have you tried his publisher(s)? 515905;1392798743;mircea_popescu;i am not interested in a) enriching foreign third parties or b) participating in relationships of any kind on any other structure than as designed by me. 515906;1392798756;Vexual;you could ask that they are sent in a carbon nuetral fashion and all 515907;1392798763;mircea_popescu;so no, the bitcoin only exists if he does what i say. 515908;1392798763;Vexual;lol 515909;1392798877;Vexual;but talking to the phone girls at publishing houses is so much fun 515910;1392798886;mircea_popescu;so talk to em. 515911;1392798900;mircea_popescu;jesus god, yarvin actually argues that the us invented communism ? 515912;1392798919;Vexual;they may have repurposed the word 515913;1392798930;mircea_popescu;;;later tell decimation thanks for that link, i lold. 515914;1392798931;gribble;The operation succeeded. 515915;1392798945;mircea_popescu;this would be a fine example of why i hold the guy for a complete ignoramus. 515916;1392798959;greenspan_fan;the problem w/ offering to send people bitcoin is that the people who are doing it lately have like 0.001 btc to their name 515917;1392798960;mircea_popescu;the reality on the field is that france invented communism, and everyone tried to copy france to some degree. 515918;1392798987;mircea_popescu;to spin this into some sort of story of our pathetic colonies being relevant, let alone central... 515919;1392798988;mircea_popescu;heh. 515920;1392798995;mircea_popescu;it takes a lot of acid. 515921;1392799067;Vexual;not really an argument 515922;1392799072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6581 @ 0.00087066 = 5.7298 BTC [+] 515923;1392799384;Vexual;communism might be one of those thing that one has to experience to fully understand 515924;1392799398;greenspan_fan;absolutely it is 515925;1392799406;B007;the commies are coming! hide under a desk 515926;1392799514;greenspan_fan;it just doesn't seem like enough to point out how it goes the same way every time 515927;1392799517;Vexual;i expect dreadlocked hippies living in a squat isn't the same 515928;1392799549;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan infinite hitpoints. the evisceration of each individual head of cattle is its own, private and special event. 515929;1392799560;greenspan_fan;Partly, you have to be restricted from opting out 515930;1392799565;mircea_popescu;it only goes the same way if you're not yourself a cow. 515931;1392799586;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu I don't really get the "infinite hitpoints" thing 515932;1392799606;mircea_popescu;seen http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/ ? 515933;1392799626;greenspan_fan;thx, brb 515934;1392799645;BingoBoingo;Seriously like no other 42 minutes of video says 'Murica like this http://www.spike.com/episodes/81jluh/bar-rescue-yo-ho-ho-and-a-bottle-of-dumb-season-2-ep-201 515935;1392799646;CiPi;http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/bitcoin-atm-goes-live-in-albuquerque-more-coming-to-austin-and-seattle/ 515936;1392799659;ozbot;Bitcoin ATM goes live in Albuquerque, more coming to Austin and Seattle | Ars Technica 515937;1392799688;Vexual;mirce do you think communism as it was in romania allowed more opportunities for people to be successful? 515938;1392799712;mircea_popescu;nope. 515939;1392799742;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4248 @ 0.00086732 = 3.6844 BTC [-] {2} 515940;1392799754;mircea_popescu;communism is like cancer : at the very most it allows the fucked to appreciate how great it'd have been if they weren't so fucked. 515941;1392799801;greenspan_fan;on one hand, there are the people who just don't learn from experience 515942;1392799856;greenspan_fan;but there's also the people who don't respond to any sort of abstract counterargument 515943;1392799864;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00305 = 0.244 BTC [+] {2} 515944;1392799931;greenspan_fan;communism seems to attract the intersection of both groups 515945;1392799946;mircea_popescu;communism doesn't attract anyone really. 515946;1392799953;mircea_popescu;it's just the shithole in which the stupid fall. 515947;1392799965;mircea_popescu;i guess technically that may count as some sort of an attraction. 515948;1392799984;mircea_popescu;but no one goes there willingly. one is a communist that is too stupid, too lazy, or too stupid and lazy to be anything else. 515949;1392799990;greenspan_fan;low energy state 515950;1392799995;greenspan_fan;not a ground state, though 515951;1392799999;mircea_popescu;a jesuit, a pedophile, a wrestling fan, whatever. 515952;1392800121;greenspan_fan;Alternatively, you have people with great intelligence who support it because it's theoretically interesting, or controversial, or perhaps out of masochism 515953;1392800158;greenspan_fan;cf. zizek, who I can't really slot into one of the above groups 515954;1392800164;mircea_popescu;no, simply your categorisation of these people is flawed. 515955;1392800185;Vexual;they want everyman to have the same power or something 515956;1392800186;BingoBoingo;Zizek is a wrestling fan 515957;1392800200;greenspan_fan;vis. crediting them with intelligence? or describing why they might be interested? 515958;1392800202;mircea_popescu;either they are in fact intelligent but it has nothing to do with the shameful stupidity of communism, much like beethoven probably farted but this isn;t normally mentioned 515959;1392800207;mircea_popescu;or else they just weren't intelligent. at all. 515960;1392800242;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo how very aspirational of him. 515961;1392800251;greenspan_fan;marx was intelligent, but defined communism 515962;1392800290;mircea_popescu;you familiar with saul lieberman ? 515963;1392800296;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I just going off of what I see. Zizek dislike the communism he grew up with, but instead prefered the still stupider communism advanced by Hulkamania 515964;1392800299;greenspan_fan;no, but I'll look it up 515965;1392800326;BingoBoingo;greenspan_fan: Are you familiar with Transnistria? 515966;1392800329;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan "it is forbidden to have a course in nonsense. But the history of nonsense, that is scholarship." 515967;1392800354;B007;who is that quote by 515968;1392800360;mircea_popescu;B007 i just said lol. 515969;1392800366;Vexual;its new 515970;1392800387;greenspan_fan;BingoBoingo no, but I'll look it up 515971;1392800389;mircea_popescu;the quote was re kabbalah, of course, but it makes little difference. 515972;1392800402;mircea_popescu;lol poor guy will end up making wikipedia not load again. 515973;1392800423;B007;I sure will 515974;1392800425;greenspan_fan;it's a good quote 515975;1392800439;mircea_popescu;it makes the point. marx studying idiocy is marx studying idiocy. 515976;1392800451;mircea_popescu;some bovine being a communist is not marx, but some bovine. 515977;1392800474;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 5000 @ 0.00300006 = 15.0003 BTC [-] {5} 515978;1392800476;greenspan_fan;but he genuinely believed it was the ideal system of the world 515979;1392800477;mircea_popescu;and quod licet marxi non licet bovi. 515980;1392800485;mircea_popescu;this you know because how. 515981;1392800492;Vexual;and your freind with the offer of 1bc? 515982;1392800502;mircea_popescu;Vexual taleb ? what of him ? 515983;1392800511;greenspan_fan;cf. communist manifesto 515984;1392800517;Vexual;this is my question, its very open ended as usual 515985;1392800549;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan theoreticians often get overexcited which makes them be stupid. 515986;1392800568;mircea_popescu;i'm not throwing out heidegger or husserl or hegel on the grounds of being involved in communism 515987;1392800573;mircea_popescu;nor eliade or whoever else. 515988;1392800601;mircea_popescu;(the proposed difference between fascism, national socialism, soviet socialism, communism, etc so forth is purely imaginary) 515989;1392800631;greenspan_fan;which is what I alluded to when I said one of the reasons smart people espouse communism is for theoretical interest 515990;1392800657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2825 @ 0.00086423 = 2.4414 BTC [-] 515991;1392800661;mircea_popescu;yeah but what is excusable in the 1800s back when nobody could or did read and so you were able to count on a certain audience 515992;1392800664;BingoBoingo;greenspan_fan: Transnistria is the last surviving Soviet Socialist Republic 515993;1392800683;mircea_popescu;is not excusable in 2000s, when everyone THINKS they can read. 515994;1392800687;greenspan_fan;BingoBoingo "surviving" 515995;1392800696;Vexual;i think i can't , and dont 515996;1392800773;greenspan_fan;yet you see people who still claim to be "communist" and aren't easily dismissed 515997;1392800784;Vexual;i can save two hours ignoring a book by not picking it up 515998;1392800803;mircea_popescu;i have seen no such thing to date. 515999;1392800807;greenspan_fan;it's one of those things you have to experience in order to discover that no, it won't be different this time 516000;1392800828;mircea_popescu;you mean persuaded rather than dismissed ? 516001;1392800837;Vexual;you can buy into a commune in nimbin for about 150k 516002;1392800882;greenspan_fan;"dismissed as idiots/not capable of understanding" 516003;1392800902;greenspan_fan;ever heard the song "Holiday in Cambodia"? It's kinda apropos 516004;1392800964;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan i think i must be missing something. 516005;1392800984;mircea_popescu;rather banal punk, classical themes (fakers, real world, bla bla), what of it ? 516006;1392801003;Vexual;is he saying marx was chasing his tail? 516007;1392801015;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu the lyrics are addressed to the stereotypical college leftist 516008;1392801021;mircea_popescu;right. 516009;1392801084;greenspan_fan;suggesting a holiday in cambodia (under the pol pot regime), because something short of actually being in a communist country is unlikely to make an impact 516010;1392801124;greenspan_fan;hey, did you write/translate the poem in "The Letter Third"? http://trilema.com/2014/the-letter-third/ 516011;1392801153;mircea_popescu;since we're doing this, you ever saw One, Two, Three ? 516012;1392801163;greenspan_fan;no, but I'll look it up 516013;1392801182;mircea_popescu;you should check it out. cagney in west berlin, fixing up the slutty daughter of his us boss with a local nutty kid. 516014;1392801184;mircea_popescu;commie kid. 516015;1392801253;mircea_popescu;and no, the original is a classical romanian poem, for which asciilifeform ferreted out the old soviet translations. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#509201 516016;1392801269;mircea_popescu;i did write the translation ad hoc. 516017;1392801274;mircea_popescu;(it's rather loose) 516018;1392801495;greenspan_fan;It was clever. Not what you expect on a blog. 516019;1392801555;BingoBoingo;greenspan_fan: That's why MP can charge 516020;1392801559;greenspan_fan;so I may have to find some of my usb keys to actually subscribe, rather than pirating 516021;1392801582;greenspan_fan;The line about facing the "same one doom" in trilema.com/2014/a-conceit-or-the-importance-of-blogging/ was excellent as well 516022;1392801600;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan what are you talking about, not on a blog. 516023;1392801604;mircea_popescu;where else ?! 516024;1392801716;greenspan_fan;normally, blogs have a really poor signal-noise ratio, you know? 516025;1392801737;mircea_popescu;but this is merely a side effect of them having the absolute monopoly on all peaks of human production. 516026;1392801760;mircea_popescu;the same was true on broadway, back when broadway still mattered : huge noise to signal ratio. 516027;1392801764;greenspan_fan;which is not to say that they don't have interesting/worthwhile things in them 516028;1392801801;mircea_popescu;not much of any value or import can be found outside of a blog these days, nor will be for a while. 516029;1392801815;*;Vexual scoffs 516030;1392801830;greenspan_fan;but putting an idea in its best terms is hard, and blogs are somewhat low effort 516031;1392801830;BingoBoingo;greenspan_fan: I'm guessing you are 'Murican 516032;1392801845;greenspan_fan;BingoBoingo Canadian 516033;1392801859;mircea_popescu;low effort as compared to what ? 516034;1392801912;greenspan_fan;low effort in the sense that you can tell posts are first/second drafts 516035;1392801915;greenspan_fan;there's not an incentive to perfection 516036;1392801928;Vexual;theres an irc man 516037;1392801978;greenspan_fan;and in particular, the image of everything great ever written starting as a blank page was perfect 516038;1392801981;mircea_popescu;so how many drafts does trilema average ? 516039;1392802013;greenspan_fan;idk, but it's actually enjoyable/interesting to read 516040;1392802039;greenspan_fan;rather than having to go through tediously to find what's worthwhile 516041;1392802056;mircea_popescu;so guess ? 516042;1392802143;greenspan_fan;I can't really tell, since you're not a native english speaker, but I'd say "one draft" because you're baiting me. 516043;1392802162;Vexual;mano you said you could see how many edits it had 516044;1392802181;mircea_popescu;indeed. 516045;1392802199;Vexual;i'll guess one billionty 516046;1392802252;greenspan_fan;Well, one purpose of multiple drafts is to capture the best version of what you're trying to say 516047;1392802269;mircea_popescu;i never draft. i publish then i have editors edit my shit. maybe once in a blue moon i decide midway that what i'm writing is stupid and drop it altogether. 516048;1392802326;greenspan_fan;but if the ideas are themselves good, the product tends to be good. 516049;1392802338;mircea_popescu;either that or satan. 516050;1392802387;greenspan_fan;yeah, I wasted my deal w/ the lower power on violin playing skills 516051;1392802406;Vexual;oh play for us 516052;1392802414;mircea_popescu;lol srsly. 516053;1392802421;mircea_popescu;you play the violin ? 516054;1392802429;Vexual;i do love a fiddle 516055;1392802447;Vexual;what do you play? 516056;1392802469;greenspan_fan;not well; it's a reference to niccolo paganini who was reported to cause riots and fainting spells at his concerts 516057;1392802556;mircea_popescu;the pedestrian explanation, of course, being that he had a much softer crowd to work with. 516058;1392802564;greenspan_fan;he was the original musician (I believe) whose reputation had faust superimposed over it 516059;1392802589;greenspan_fan;yeah, I went to see joshua bell and I barely rioted at all 516060;1392802627;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xurQZcHgb0 516061;1392802629;ozbot;Beethoven Notturno in D for Viola ,Piano op.42 mov.1 - YouTube 516062;1392802652;mircea_popescu;you know of his subway experiment ? 516063;1392802667;cazalla;that idea to charge, did you get that from NYT or some other news site? 516064;1392802674;greenspan_fan;yes 516065;1392802679;mircea_popescu;i GAVE IT to the nyt. 516066;1392802687;mircea_popescu;i was absolutely the first to charge. 516067;1392802694;cazalla;i hooked a big one 516068;1392802696;Vexual;hey, i do the trolling here cazalla 516069;1392802696;greenspan_fan;people need to be told what's worth money 516070;1392802783;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/hello-nyt-goodbye-nyt/ that was an article on the occasion 516071;1392802783;ozbot;Hello NYT - Goodbye NYT pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 516072;1392802790;mircea_popescu;(ie, the nyt system is quite pathetic) 516073;1392802815;mircea_popescu;"Cred ca asta ar trebui sa-mi scriu pe cartea de vizita : eu sunt un tip care-a conceput asa, de unul singur, un sistem mai eficient decit chestia implementata de New York Times, sase opt luni mai tirziu." 516074;1392802849;mircea_popescu;"i suppose this is what should be on my business card : i'm the guy who came up on his own with a better system than what the nyt came up with, six i mean eight months later" 516075;1392803067;Vexual;the content is often chewier 516076;1392803081;greenspan_fan;isn't theirs worse, though? I can get the news from anywhere, but to read your site I have to use proxies or wait 516077;1392803115;mircea_popescu;it was a purely technical discussion. 516078;1392803144;mircea_popescu;theirs does not in fact work as implemented, like a lawn mower that doesn't cut, you just follow after it with clippers. 516079;1392803183;greenspan_fan;it's more intended for the severely computer illiterate 516080;1392803214;mircea_popescu;right. kind-of a poor excuse. 516081;1392803230;greenspan_fan;I think chrome's incognito mode lets you read any nyt article you want 516082;1392803264;Vexual;no ensuring the mower blades are firmly attached can be detrimental to observers health 516083;1392803266;mircea_popescu;so basically moldbug's september 2009 write-up on communism and whatnot is chiefly notable for his very good points on charity vs w/e, "callous altruism". 516084;1392803276;mircea_popescu;which happens to be a re-write of http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-charity/ 516085;1392803289;mircea_popescu;which actually came to be because of a discussion with asciilifeform 516086;1392803333;mircea_popescu;so i guess the circle is complete, don't recomend yarvin to me, recomend trilema to his readership, which will result in him having more stuff to write in the future. 516087;1392803342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00086222 = 10.1311 BTC [-] {3} 516088;1392803355;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan or if not some trivial html editing 516089;1392803593;greenspan_fan;that's another good post 516090;1392803601;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1EU4ipTkRg 516091;1392803609;ozbot;Irish Fiddle : Frankie Gavin 1 - YouTube 516092;1392803613;r3wt;;;authenticate 516093;1392803614;gribble;Error: "authenticate" is not a valid command. 516094;1392803625;Vexual;namaste r3wt 516095;1392803638;r3wt;namaste Vexual 516096;1392803641;r3wt;;;auth 516097;1392803641;gribble;(auth ) -- Initiate authentication for user . You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire within 10 minutes. 516098;1392803643;Vexual;how are you? 516099;1392803652;r3wt;;;auth r3wt 516100;1392803653;gribble;Error: You have not registered a GPG key. Try using bcauth instead, or register a GPG key first. 516101;1392803665;Vexual;ill give you a minute :) 516102;1392803733;r3wt;;;auth 1337xmR8JRzwKonFgd17dhVo9NHQiP7875 516103;1392803734;gribble;Error: This nick is not registered. Please register. 516104;1392803739;mircea_popescu;http://freebeacon.com/subpar-anti-obama-street-art-covers-santa-monica/ 516105;1392803740;r3wt;;;auth r3wt 516106;1392803741;gribble;Error: You have not registered a GPG key. Try using bcauth instead, or register a GPG key first. 516107;1392803744;mircea_popescu;i would say this is working splendidly. 516108;1392803748;greenspan_fan;I've looked at the welfare state as supplanting charity, but it's interesting to think that having charity function properly in practice hurts the rational for the welfare state 516109;1392803751;Vexual;yarr#] 516110;1392803752;mircea_popescu;r3wt use bcauth as the bot tells you eh 516111;1392803756;r3wt;hmm, i have not registerd a gpg key it says. i 516112;1392803761;r3wt;;;bcauth r3wt 516113;1392803762;gribble;Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.216.44.61. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b992307b1d423773c3a0c60d25f61343c84dd35ee8dad48939e1eef1 516114;1392803768;r3wt;awesome, thanks man 516115;1392803771;Vexual;thatll do 516116;1392803778;*;r3wt is n3wb 516117;1392803792;ozbot;Subpar: Anti-Obama Street Art Covers Santa Monica | Washington Free Beacon 516118;1392803817;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan imo that's like perfume supplanting washing. 516119;1392803843;r3wt;so i should buy and sell here to increase my ratings? 516120;1392803860;r3wt;WTS: 10 LTC. .026 /ea. 516121;1392803863;Vexual;you can help me to increse your ratings 516122;1392803889;BingoBoingo;===== 516123;1392803898;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu happens in practice, still kinda gross 516124;1392803906;cazalla;can havelock stop people selling shares that were privately held but than added to the exchange later (see casino bitcoin) 516125;1392803921;mircea_popescu;no. 516126;1392803942;BingoBoingo;WTS 75,000 ATC 2,000 Satoshis each 516127;1392803971;Vexual;r3wt, i accidently sent a bunch of bitcoin to my altcoin deposit address, can you have someone trasfer they kay over? 516128;1392803995;Vexual;take a % for the cause 516129;1392804004;cazalla;i wonder how long until casino bitcoin offload them then seeing the privately held ones were added to the exchange 516130;1392804006;Vexual;shareholders, devs, whatever 516131;1392804006;r3wt;I'm pretty sure i can't transfer the key from ATC to BTC 516132;1392804015;Vexual;im pretty sure u can 516133;1392804018;BingoBoingo;r3wt: Exact same key format 516134;1392804028;Vexual;dumpprivkey importprivkey 516135;1392804031;mircea_popescu;r3wt same keys work ya 516136;1392804032;r3wt;^different checksum 516137;1392804038;Vexual;nope 516138;1392804079;r3wt;tx id vexual? 516139;1392804081;BingoBoingo;r3wt: Not for ATC and BTC 516140;1392804088;Vexual;experience the atc power friend 516141;1392804105;r3wt;how much btc is it anyway? 516142;1392804219;Vexual;0.08 and change, whats it worth to you? you have the key 516143;1392804240;Vexual;i was thinking 10% 516144;1392804263;Vexual;you can take the lot if you like 516145;1392804272;Vexual;but thats not my preference 516146;1392804331;r3wt;Project LUAPOD: https://twitter.com/_OpenEx_/status/436078620172226561/photo/1 516147;1392804408;r3wt;lol, i'm not goinna take your coins. i was just wondering. i'm not experienced enough to be sure if importing the key is the idea, especially with reported "Transaction malleability" vulnerabilities discovered in bitcoin recently. 516148;1392804486;Vexual;well have a go, 10% is a generous offer 516149;1392804499;r3wt;10% of what? 516150;1392804514;r3wt;are you being serious? 516151;1392804520;Vexual;take 10% of the bitcoin for your trouble, it should take all of 5 minutes 516152;1392804528;Vexual;yes 516153;1392804547;antephialtic;does this read like satire to you: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2014/02/19/world/europe/ap-eu-turkey-internet-restrictions.html?hp 516154;1392804582;Vexual;nope, sounds like 2014 516155;1392804587;antephialtic;I don't think the turkish president gives a fuck how many twitter followers he has 516156;1392804656;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6zIEfSxqkg 516157;1392804668;mircea_popescu;ahaha 516158;1392804677;ozbot;Sheryl Crow - All I Wanna Do - Rare Original Video - YouTube 516159;1392804699;mircea_popescu;so basically if people who predicate their lives on twitter followers consistently act like anyone gives a shit about their twitter followers, somehow ??? the twitter followers will matter ? 516160;1392804720;mircea_popescu;the turkish president could buy twitter and bury it somewhere and nobody'd even know. 516161;1392804790;r3wt;ok vexual. better not be any surpises here 516162;1392804823;davout;mircea_popescu: "what's the inernet gonna do? blog about it?" <<< made me lol and looks relevant here 516163;1392804834;mircea_popescu;indeed. 516164;1392804893;Vexual;r3wt, ask any of the more reputable players here if you like 516165;1392804907;r3wt;;;gettrust Vexual 516166;1392804909;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user r3wt to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=r3wt&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never 516167;1392804958;r3wt;you have no ratings 516168;1392804965;Vexual;its true 516169;1392805074;Vexual;did you see my support request to this effect with another username? 516170;1392805091;r3wt;ok. post your openex deposit address for bitcoin. 516171;1392805121;r3wt;you're high if you think i'm going to just import the private key on the server. i'll make a new local wallet import it then destroy the privatekey after i' 516172;1392805125;r3wt;send the coins. 516173;1392805150;Vexual;thanks, is 10% ok? 516174;1392805168;r3wt;no percent, i send it to you straight minus the tx fee 516175;1392805200;Vexual;you're the finest 516176;1392805202;cazalla;turning down a vig eh 516177;1392805538;mircea_popescu;http://davegooden.com/2011/05/how-airbnb-became-a-billion-dollar-company/ 516178;1392805541;ozbot;How AirBnB Became a Billion Dollar Company - Dave Gooden 516179;1392805541;mircea_popescu;pretty funny shit. 516180;1392805659;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9555 @ 0.00086244 = 8.2406 BTC [+] {2} 516181;1392806014;r3wt;looks like Vexual lost .08 btc to stupidity 516182;1392806031;Vexual;it may be tru 516183;1392806093;Vexual;if you can get it back, take some money for your time 516184;1392806188;r3wt;if i could get it back, the bitcoin protocol would be seriously flawed. 516185;1392806212;r3wt;you can defy tradition and even physics, but you can't defy logic 516186;1392806281;mircea_popescu;what he do ? 516187;1392806452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1250 @ 0.00086007 = 1.0751 BTC [-] 516188;1392806457;Vexual;i was overly typical 516189;1392806469;Vexual;i sent btc to my atc add on openex 516190;1392806642;BingoBoingo;Is this an ===== problem? 516191;1392806668;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/436088812041560064 516192;1392806668;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @anildash Your self-absorbed ... 516193;1392806676;mircea_popescu;anyone wanna lay odds on the fucktard actually showing ? 516194;1392806978;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BjtgdNSyxs 516195;1392806978;ozbot;Positive Force - We Got The Funk (Original US re-edit version vinyl 1979) - YouTube 516196;1392806982;Duffer1;SJ crap? 516197;1392806993;cazalla;sjw 516198;1392806993;BingoBoingo;I'd only offer 4.5 to 1 in favor of no. 516199;1392806996;mircea_popescu;social justice 516200;1392807010;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo o im taking that yes. how much is your pleasure ? 516201;1392807011;cazalla;Duffer1: check your bitcoin privilege 516202;1392807057;Duffer1;ah 516203;1392807107;Vexual;whenever you get a chance r3wt, theres no rush 516204;1392807117;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Give me time for a glass of OJ and some more thought on those odds. 516205;1392807123;mircea_popescu;i don't recall such insolence in quite a while. 516206;1392807123;pankkake;must be weird to be called self-absorbed by MP 516207;1392807135;mircea_popescu;this guy is a sort of chewed gum attached to someone's boot. 516208;1392807144;mircea_popescu;"There was also a pretty dogged pitch for his startup, which will get all kinds of warm huzzahs from the intersection of MRAs, Bitcoin fans, NSA critics and Redditors. I was pretty amazed that he went for it. He flat out said that he wants his startup to be funded and wasn't sure if it'd be possible after all of his, and I replied that it realistically wasn't going to happen without the say-so of someone like me, and I 516209;1392807144;mircea_popescu;wasn't inclined to give some VC the nod on this. On reflection, I'll be explicit: If you're a venture capitalist, and you invest in Pax's startup without a profound, meaningful and years-long demonstration of responsibility from Pax beforehand, you're complicit in extending the tech industry's awful track record of exclusion, and it's unacceptable." 516210;1392807145;mircea_popescu;this. 516211;1392807148;mircea_popescu;this is what the fucktard said. 516212;1392807149;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I have to see who this Dash guy is 516213;1392807168;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo literally nobody. 516214;1392807197;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I need maybe 20 minutes to see what kind of Nobody though. 516215;1392807201;mircea_popescu;no rush. 516216;1392807219;mircea_popescu;the kind of nobody who imagines that buying 500k worth of twitter followers and going to faggoty parties in CA makes him notable. 516217;1392807252;BingoBoingo;I might also have to finish the episode of Bar Rescue first 516218;1392807286;mircea_popescu;prolly wise. 516219;1392807337;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It is almost as good as the Variety Speak. We need John Taffer in this channel. 516220;1392807370;mircea_popescu;so tell him 516221;1392807380;Vexual;i can piss a better bar rescue in 30 second 516222;1392807420;Duffer1;btw thanks for sharing that last one BB 516223;1392807424;BingoBoingo;Need to find him first. This Dash dude is a social media hot mess. A year a retweeting only women for some Doge article. 516224;1392807440;mircea_popescu;the raping that this entire establishment of nothings and nobodies is about to get all through the rest of the decade is unparallel in the history of rape. 516225;1392807452;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ayup 516226;1392807475;mircea_popescu;but you know, whatever. they're asking for it. 516227;1392807482;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I read the Doge article on the retweets before. Name was unnotable though. 516228;1392807508;mircea_popescu;which doge is this ? 516229;1392807641;mircea_popescu;anyway, i gotta say there is one thing i love about twitter : 516230;1392807683;mircea_popescu;the fact that by starting your tweets with an @ reference you effectively limit distribution to only those who already follow the idiot in question allows one to engage idiots who otherwise you'd hesitate to engage for the last thing you want is publicise unremarkable idiots. 516231;1392807756;Vexual;totes 516232;1392807794;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07211003 = 0.2884 BTC [-] 516233;1392807855;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07211002 = 0.649 BTC [-] {2} 516234;1392807916;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07210801 = 0.7211 BTC [-] {4} 516235;1392807929;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The Doge article where he wrote about only retweeting women. It would have been a Bit article if only it wouldn't insult Bit, hence Doge article. 516236;1392807951;mircea_popescu;oic. 516237;1392807977;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.0720325 = 1.7288 BTC [-] {7} 516238;1392807978;mircea_popescu;i dun think he actually has the clue to see the difference, just, the doge troop of fucktards probably haven't bought his payola whatever yet, 516239;1392807988;mircea_popescu;donated to a kitten shelter or w/e it is they do. 516240;1392808038;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.07151963 = 1.931 BTC [-] {4} 516241;1392808099;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.07020004 = 1.755 BTC [-] {3} 516242;1392808119;BingoBoingo;Oh, Loser invoked my name http://dashes.com/anil/2014/02/a-checklist-of-stupid-things-men-will-say-when-they-find-out-i-only-retweet-women.html 516243;1392808138;mircea_popescu;what srsly ?!@ 516244;1392808188;Diablo-D3;people give a shit about gender on the internet? lol. 516245;1392808218;mircea_popescu;i don't get why that's supposed to be a problem anyway. so he retweeted only women. i fuck only women. seems about even. 516246;1392808235;Diablo-D3;it was flamebait on hn recently anyhow 516247;1392808320;mircea_popescu;First, to recap: I had about 18,000 followers of my own back in October, when I got added to the suggested user list. (Let's call these "organic" followers.) If I'd have continued my normal rate of growth, i'd have about 25,000 followers today, but thanks to being on the list, I've got close to 300,000 followers. Surprisingly though, I only get as many retweets and replies as I'd get with my organic number of followers. 516248;1392808321;mircea_popescu;derp. 516249;1392808492;BingoBoingo;Lloyds might have to insure a bet on Dash. So much Hurp. I don't think I can price Dash. 516250;1392808515;mircea_popescu;i don't think there's a price. 516251;1392808526;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.069 = 0.69 BTC [-] 516252;1392808566;BingoBoingo;The more I read the more i think he might show for a derp piece. 516253;1392808587;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.06841332 = 1.0262 BTC [-] {3} 516254;1392808595;BingoBoingo;Or he could be too high and mighty. 516255;1392808648;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.06032109 = 2.7144 BTC [-] {8} 516256;1392808649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00086273 = 5.7803 BTC [+] {3} 516257;1392808770;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 330 @ 0.055 = 18.15 BTC [-] 516258;1392809012;BingoBoingo;The Derp is strong with this one http://dashes.com/anil/2014/01/stupid-simple-things-sf-techies-could-do-to-stop-being-hated.html 516259;1392809080;Duffer1;*click link* A Blog About Making Culture ... *closes tab* 516260;1392809110;BingoBoingo;lol 516261;1392809187;Duffer1;i get the strong impression that it's more 'tell me what to think' type blogging rather than 'teach me how' 516262;1392809236;cazalla;i don't understand why there are more and more of these types of people 516263;1392809239;BingoBoingo;Reading his mouth feces makes me want to see him stop by 516264;1392809288;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 it's a fine example of the us socialism. guy's an (unpaid) propaganda agent of stupidity. 516265;1392809316;pankkake;because they can afford to live in their bubbles, away from reality? 516266;1392809326;BingoBoingo;pankkake: Not forever 516267;1392809332;pankkake;I hope so 516268;1392809353;cazalla;it's popping up everywhere though 516269;1392809360;cazalla;more recently gaming 516270;1392809378;pankkake;oh? 516271;1392809457;mircea_popescu;closer to leni riefenstahl on the riefenstahl-eisenstein scale of socialist propaganda. 516272;1392809504;pankkake;I've seen a few "enough is enough" about the supposed IT sexism. I think the nonsense worked so far because those are usually quiet communities, so they took silence as acceptation 516273;1392809526;mircea_popescu;yup. 516274;1392809556;mircea_popescu;moreover, fuckwits like this and whats-her-rapeface cause i forgot tend to live in their own realities 516275;1392809570;mircea_popescu;sort-of like little mtgoxes scattered around the land. 516276;1392809625;BingoBoingo;In the meantime a higher portion of MP's IT and coding workforce has vaginas than SIlicon Valley's 516277;1392809657;mircea_popescu;this happens to be true. 516278;1392809663;mircea_popescu;but you see, it HAPPENS to be true. 516279;1392809729;mircea_popescu;perhaps at some level that happening happens because actual women that are actually competent also... happen to be more comfortable with me than with fucktards like this and his ilk. nevertheless... 516280;1392809748;r3wt;ping>>(i++) 516281;1392809890;mircea_popescu;anyway, from reading his comments i get now why the low income housing for free stuff is so important to these people. 516282;1392809915;BingoBoingo;lol 516283;1392809915;mircea_popescu;basically, all the fuckwits doing the retweeting, redditing etc are people with "liberal" educations and a ton of debt, no means of sustenance and a desire to live in manhattan 516284;1392809925;cazalla;sounds like a micro aggression 516285;1392809926;mircea_popescu;so therefore... OF COURSE they want low income housing. 516286;1392809942;mircea_popescu;so they don't have to go back to ohio and help pick up the potato crop. 516287;1392809952;BingoBoingo;Anils seems to realize that if he didn't accidentally into Six Apart he could have been an expert cashier too 516288;1392809954;mircea_popescu;this shit's so like romania cca 1983 it burns. 516289;1392809990;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Idaho is potatos. Ohio is shitpits. 516290;1392810007;mircea_popescu;ony because all the ohio fuckwits and ESPECIALLY fuckwitettes flocked to ny to be 516291;1392810009;mircea_popescu;"writers" 516292;1392810053;BingoBoingo;Any Industrial chemical process that smells too bad for New Jersey happens in Ohio 516293;1392810660;mircea_popescu;The punk rolled up his big blue eyes and said to the jocker, Sandy, 516294;1392810660;mircea_popescu;Ive hiked and hiked and wandered too, but I aint seen any candy. 516295;1392810660;mircea_popescu;Ive hiked and hiked till my feet are sore and Ill be damned if I hike any more 516296;1392810660;mircea_popescu;To be buggered sore like a hobos whore in the Big Rock Candy Mountains. 516297;1392810840;BingoBoingo;Great song 516298;1392810944;BingoBoingo;Never before has Bowlderization done as much harm as it did to the Big Rock Candy Mountain 516299;1392810983;mircea_popescu;well maybe once or twice 516300;1392811040;BingoBoingo;Definitely no more than thrice though 516301;1392811194;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/candice-is-making-breakfast/ 516302;1392811201;ozbot;Candice is making breakfast pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 516303;1392811207;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRhmHdwnhWQ 516304;1392811208;ozbot;Shel Silverstein - Who's your Daddy, Sue? - YouTube 516305;1392811211;mircea_popescu;that sad moment when your favorite read of the day is a year old articlke of your own 516306;1392811234;mircea_popescu;"This video contains content from UMG. It is restricted from playback on certain sites" 516307;1392811238;mircea_popescu;meh fucking asshats these people. 516308;1392811269;BingoBoingo;Asshats everywhere 516309;1392811438;BingoBoingo;Great point "Boys get caught and go to jail, girls get caught and go to the maternity ward." 516310;1392811693;mircea_popescu;so they do. 516311;1392811744;mircea_popescu;so apparently thailand is up in flames 516312;1392811784;BingoBoingo;Thailand and Ukraine in flames at the same time? There won't be any girls left for the cam sites. 516313;1392811798;mircea_popescu;srsly. 516314;1392811874;BingoBoingo;Maybe we should make Wisconsin poorer 516315;1392811881;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.06524102 = 0.9786 BTC [+] {7} 516316;1392812064;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.066 = 0.396 BTC [+] {3} 516317;1392812735;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.53999999 = 3.24 BTC [+] {2} 516318;1392812857;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00086085 = 2.7117 BTC [-] 516319;1392812979;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00529998 = 0.1378 BTC [-] 516320;1392813284;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 516321;1392813345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00086044 = 7.3137 BTC [-] 516322;1392814165;mircea_popescu;"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work....After eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started...and an enormous debt to boot!" 516323;1392814166;mircea_popescu;who said ? 516324;1392814206;dub;alex jones 516325;1392814260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00086025 = 8.1724 BTC [-] {2} 516326;1392815018;mircea_popescu;actually henry morgenthau 516327;1392815053;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 49 @ 0.00305 = 0.1495 BTC [+] 516328;1392815492;lnovy;Hi guys, anybody willing to explain me that 2/4/2014 mpex puts in laymen terms? thx 516329;1392815569;mircea_popescu;lnovy why not read the logs of that day ? 516330;1392815605;lnovy;mircea_popescu: I'm reading that, but I guess I'm not that schooled in the terminology, therefore I'm asking for layman terms... 516331;1392815639;mircea_popescu;there's also bugpowder's explanation on the forum 516332;1392815647;lnovy;eg. that little [-] at the end of assbot line has a meaning of what? 516333;1392815662;lnovy;the thread that is linking the irclog? 516334;1392815690;mircea_popescu;the [-] has the meaning that the current trade is at a lower price than the previous trade 516335;1392815713;lnovy;from bitcointalk? or some other? can you point me please with a link? I'd be glad 516336;1392815718;lnovy;thanks 516337;1392815786;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=449354.msg5061051#msg5061051 516338;1392815804;lnovy;ok, will dive into that, thx 516339;1392816029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00086085 = 1.3774 BTC [+] 516340;1392816335;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.067 = 0.134 BTC [+] 516341;1392816395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00086085 = 6.8007 BTC [+] 516342;1392816883;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.07498882 = 1.9497 BTC [-] {6} 516343;1392816944;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0749891 = 1.4998 BTC [+] {3} 516344;1392816945;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 516345;1392817106;ThickAsThieves;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/19/birds_eye_releases_mashtags_social_spud_snacks/ 516346;1392817114;ThickAsThieves;"Mashtags have been salted and hashed" 516347;1392817554;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07498994 = 0.225 BTC [+] 516348;1392817615;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 56 @ 0.07499227 = 4.1996 BTC [+] {7} 516349;1392817616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00086144 = 4.2211 BTC [+] {2} 516350;1392817830;mircea_popescu;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/denmark-bans-halal-and-kosher-slaughter-as-minister-says-animal-rights-come-before-religion-9135580.html 516351;1392817836;mircea_popescu;denmark, struggling to be even more of a joke. 516352;1392817839;mircea_popescu;if that were possible. 516353;1392818078;davout;france is considering banning foie gras 516354;1392818088;davout;or so i heard 516355;1392818103;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 203 @ 0.003 = 0.609 BTC [-] {2} 516356;1392818104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00085996 = 1.9349 BTC [-] {2} 516357;1392818164;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.003 = 0.18 BTC [-] 516358;1392818190;pankkake;then southwest will probably secede 516359;1392818218;mircea_popescu;it's really amusing to watch, all the bs. 516360;1392818252;mircea_popescu;about five years ago romania "banned" classic lighbulbs. 516361;1392818279;the20year;And in the US some want to make kosher/halal slaughters manditory 516362;1392818279;mircea_popescu;i still use them, they're still available for sale. not in the supermarkets, of course, which happens to be great : i never used them, but now more people have direct economic incentive not to. 516363;1392818310;mircea_popescu;about thirty years ago, some countries in the waszaw pact were a lot more zealous than romania in implementing the glorious directives of the eastern socialist brother. 516364;1392818316;mircea_popescu;they... didn't do so well. 516365;1392818331;the20year;Which ones? 516366;1392818345;mircea_popescu;bulgaria, for instance. 516367;1392818346;the20year;Moldova seems to be a shining beacon of economic and poltical freedom. But that's the only one I can think of 516368;1392818365;the20year;Really? My bulgarian contacts seem to make fun of Romania for being more commie than themselves 516369;1392818384;mircea_popescu;haha really ? 516370;1392818403;the20year;Yeah 516371;1392818420;mircea_popescu;in broad strokes, the soviet plan was to have industry concentrated in russia and agriculture in the west. 516372;1392818423;the20year;my one contact there keeps wanting me to come over and help with business development. He has a ton of cool stuff going on since they can export to the EU 516373;1392818431;mircea_popescu;it worked in the ukraine and bulgaria, which mostly made pickles all through the 90s. 516374;1392818437;mircea_popescu;and as a result, they actually had a famine, in the 90s 516375;1392818441;the20year;Pickles and hunger 516376;1392818452;the20year;Ukraine had a fammine in like 2004 or 2005 516377;1392818457;mircea_popescu;right. 516378;1392818466;the20year;Nothing like the holomodor mind you, but they were worried about an agricultural collapse on a massive scale 516379;1392818469;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.0053 = 0.1219 BTC [+] 516380;1392818474;mircea_popescu;im aware. 516381;1392818476;the20year;That's when grain prices in the US started to boom which is finally starting to end now 516382;1392818485;the20year;Land prices went from $3k/ac to nearly $8k locally 516383;1392818496;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the same 2004, romania was one of the 3 countries the us was suspecting might have sold inertial stabilizers and other high tech gear to the evil arabs. 516384;1392818526;the20year;Yeah, obviously that's stupid because Romania can't produce things like that, they're more into producing shovels and cheap inaccurate guns 516385;1392818529;mircea_popescu;so mayhap said bulgarian guy is a little... you know, confabulating. 516386;1392818547;mircea_popescu;the20year actually, romania is exactly capable of producing them, and in fact it had sold them. 516387;1392818569;the20year;His statement to me was that all political officals are corrupt, but they're also cheap to buy, so you can get done whatever you want for a few hundred bucks 516388;1392818618;the20year;Compared to moldova, where it costs $1m to build a $50,000 building 516389;1392818670;mircea_popescu;yes, which is the gist of my earlier point. 516390;1392818676;mircea_popescu;romania is very corrupt, and much so to its benefit. 516391;1392818688;mircea_popescu;at the rate things are going france or denmark may be tomorrow's bulgaria and ukraine. 516392;1392818705;davout;yup 516393;1392818709;the20year;I don't know about that, it's going to be quite interesting though in 20 years 516394;1392818717;davout;i'm considering opening a bitcoin exchange in nigeria, thoughts? 516395;1392818731;the20year;Between negative population growth, rise of immigration and 75% taxes, it'll make for a quite interesting century 516396;1392818732;mircea_popescu;take some foreign legion folks with you. 516397;1392818735;mircea_popescu;they're well respected. 516398;1392818737;the20year;I just want to see how the map changes in Europe more 516399;1392818757;the20year;Maybe scottland, flanders and some of spain will break off 516400;1392818762;mircea_popescu;the20year i pay ~3%. i dunno where you got that 75% from. 516401;1392818773;the20year;You have assets over 1m? 516402;1392818778;mircea_popescu;... 516403;1392818781;davout;lived there, mommy still knows folks in various ministries, if they're corruptible that could become the main exchange hub in africa >) 516404;1392818787;the20year;The guys i've talked to in spain are all leaving over Hollande's big tax 516405;1392818797;mircea_popescu;hollande is taxing spain ?! 516406;1392818807;the20year;and if you look , holland's tax is just a throwback to mitterand's big tax in the 80s, which saw a pretty large exodus of business leaving the country 516407;1392818808;mircea_popescu;that's a good one :D 516408;1392818830;mircea_popescu;france is fucked anyway, i think pretty much everyone realises this by now. 516409;1392818835;the20year;I think that you could get good traction on african exchanges/wallets if you show the use of savings 516410;1392818839;the20year;Does germany? 516411;1392818854;davout;the20year: what do you mean? as in inflation-proof? 516412;1392818865;the20year;most africans don't save, saving money for the future is a good thing 516413;1392818872;the20year;financial independence is a good thing 516414;1392818874;mircea_popescu;germany is fine. 516415;1392818889;davout;the20year: the way they save is they make kids 516416;1392818893;mircea_popescu;^ 516417;1392818896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.0008592 = 4.4678 BTC [-] {2} 516418;1392818901;the20year;Correct 516419;1392818905;mircea_popescu;they don't actually have enough for any other saving to be worthwhile 516420;1392818917;mircea_popescu;fat in the kids first, then fat in the cattle, then real estate 516421;1392818923;the20year;I just get sad every time I hear about more stupidity in africa, i wish someone would do something taht might actually make the general populace act less retarded 516422;1392818930;mircea_popescu;then capital goods, then capital in cash. a full four degrees away from it yet 516423;1392818940;the20year;The resources are there 516424;1392818949;mircea_popescu;the20year the average of africa population is A LOT less retarded than the average of us. 516425;1392818961;the20year;A guy in my town exports farm equipment to south Africa, it's always depressing to hear how terrible things are getting for farmers there 516426;1392818968;davout;mircea_popescu: the proof is that they manage to survive in africa 516427;1392818971;mircea_popescu;^ 516428;1392818974;the20year;as far as IQ goes or what? 516429;1392818992;mircea_popescu;as far as retardation goes. 516430;1392819024;mircea_popescu;the us folk are merely on the receiving end of a pillage system their grandfathers built and they can't support. 516431;1392819031;mircea_popescu;as conditions equalize it'll be indeed interesting. 516432;1392819055;chetty;Africa would do fine if people would stop helping them so much 516433;1392819067;the20year;Who is helping zimbabwe? 516434;1392819096;mircea_popescu;about the same people helping detroit. 516435;1392819102;mircea_popescu;broadly speaking. 516436;1392819140;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 516437;1392819179;pankkake;many (all?) of the horrible african leaders have been western-educated 516438;1392819183;kakobrekla;davout i can cover nigeria from somalia just well. 516439;1392819202;mircea_popescu;omg competition! 516440;1392819262;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 600 @ 0.00039 = 0.234 BTC [-] {2} 516441;1392819272;mircea_popescu;the20year if you're genuinely interested to go into depth re your example, http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/ 516442;1392819341;davout;kakobrekla: it's on the other side! 516443;1392819372;davout;for those who read franch http://www.legorafi.fr/2014/02/18/hbo-netflix-la-ministre-de-la-culture-veut-imposer-une-baisse-du-quota-de-creativite-dans-les-series-americaines/ 516444;1392819409;pankkake;another good point for bitcoin in africa, is that using multiple currencies isn't something new 516445;1392819431;mircea_popescu;aahah 516446;1392819450;davout;when i was a kid i wondered why my mum had to buy dollars on the black market 516447;1392819459;mircea_popescu;you grew up in nigeria ?! 516448;1392819459;davout;now i get it :-) 516449;1392819468;mircea_popescu;and are now running a bitcoin exchange ?! 516450;1392819470;mircea_popescu;OMFG 516451;1392819471;davout;sat on dutch school there for three years 516452;1392819486;davout;(the french school was too retarded apparently) 516453;1392819492;mircea_popescu;lautre grand gant HBO domine le march avec des sries de qualit, de Newsroom Games of Thrones 516454;1392819495;mircea_popescu;oh fucking hell. 516455;1392819503;mircea_popescu;how is that quality. in what parallel universe. wtf. 516456;1392819506;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1083 @ 0.00037255 = 0.4035 BTC [-] {18} 516457;1392819514;davout;it's like the onion 516458;1392819520;mircea_popescu;o o 516459;1392819531;mircea_popescu;i see 516460;1392819543;pankkake;name comes from le figaro 516461;1392819556;mircea_popescu;Trop de crativit dun coup dans un pisode dune srie pourrait provoquer des dommages irrparables 516462;1392819564;davout;you can see stuff like "terrorist organizations on strike after the government complexifies the emergency plans color codes" 516463;1392819567;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 556 @ 0.00036001 = 0.2002 BTC [-] {5} 516464;1392819571;mircea_popescu;lol 516465;1392819572;pankkake;le gorafi is often close to reality, like the onion 516466;1392819576;davout;yup 516467;1392819579;mircea_popescu;complexifies should be a word. 516468;1392819612;davout;did i just teach mircea_popescu a new english word? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/complexify 516469;1392819644;mircea_popescu;lol 516470;1392819687;mircea_popescu;soo... our good friend the irrelevant twitter authority has failed to actually back his bullshit. surprisingly enough. 516471;1392819698;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i could so have taken your bitcents!!11 516472;1392819750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00086214 = 2.6726 BTC [+] {2} 516473;1392819860;davout;"and are now running a bitcoin exchange ?!" <<< haha, missed this 516474;1392819883;davout;I LEARNED FROM THE MASTERS 516475;1392819933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00086266 = 5.0897 BTC [+] 516476;1392819951;mircea_popescu;amusingly, the forum never discovered this a year or so ago. 516477;1392819954;ThickAsThieves;I just want to note that briefly working with Jimmy @ cryptocointalk.com has been a pleasure and I like what he's doing with his forum 516478;1392819954;mircea_popescu;it'd have been funny. 516479;1392819957;mircea_popescu;forum sux at dox 516480;1392819959;ThickAsThieves;i'll try to get him in here too 516481;1392819979;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves which jimmy is this and what exactly do you work on with jimmy ?! 516482;1392819983;ThickAsThieves;he begins offering advertising opportunities soon 516483;1392820003;ThickAsThieves;to become a mod and manage the Altcoin thread he created 516484;1392820009;ThickAsThieves;he even verified I was me! 516485;1392820085;ThickAsThieves;he's this guy on the default forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=102470 516486;1392820116;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 201 @ 0.00084543 = 0.1699 BTC [-] {3} 516487;1392820117;ThickAsThieves;;;gettrust jimmyk 516488;1392820118;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user jimmyk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=jimmyk | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jimmyk | Rated since: never 516489;1392820136;mircea_popescu;ah 516490;1392820141;mircea_popescu;i c 516491;1392820154;ThickAsThieves;basically he's made no derp noises since i met him 516492;1392820158;ThickAsThieves;is all i'm saying 516493;1392820168;mircea_popescu;cool beans. 516494;1392820237;ThickAsThieves;also stumbled on this blog by mislinking apocalyptic's exchange http://www.x-btc.com/ 516495;1392820238;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07689998 = 0.6152 BTC [+] 516496;1392820279;chetty;Welcome to global warming: http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2014/02/18/report-southern-invasion-of-arctic-dwelling-snowy-owls-spreads-to-25-states/ 516497;1392820335;ThickAsThieves;tens of thousands of bird-counting volunteers?! 516498;1392820338;ThickAsThieves;yeha right 516499;1392820360;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 67 @ 0.07473133 = 5.007 BTC [-] {6} 516500;1392820421;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07443332 = 0.6699 BTC [-] {6} 516501;1392820726;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00019044 = 0.2857 BTC [+] {6} 516502;1392821012;ThickAsThieves;okay there's no way in hell ALL of the comments are naturally negative on WSJ http://online.wsj.com/public/page/reader-comments.html?baseDocId=SB10001424052702303491404579390971115008010&headline=The%20killer%20app%20for%20bitcoin%20may%20be%20international%20transfers%2C%20a%20process%20that%20can%20be%20costly%20and%20slow. 516503;1392821065;ThickAsThieves;unless only an idiot would make an account at wsj.com to comment.... 516504;1392821182;lnovy;from that link it looks like that an idiocy is more than common there... 516505;1392821252;ThickAsThieves;right, but where are the bitcoin-loving idiots? 516506;1392821336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00086266 = 1.4665 BTC [+] 516507;1392821505;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-nigger-a-practical-exercise/ 516508;1392821507;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun. 516509;1392821702;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07 = 1.12 BTC [-] {2} 516510;1392822129;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10242 @ 0.00085746 = 8.7821 BTC [-] 516511;1392822147;kakobrekla;i dont even ... 516512;1392822312;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6179 @ 0.00017409 = 1.0757 BTC [-] {21} 516513;1392822345;mircea_popescu;ha! 516514;1392822392;ThickAsThieves;the irony(?) is that i wish your exchange with him had more substance 516515;1392822415;ThickAsThieves;but i guess that's the point 516516;1392822417;mircea_popescu;i wish exactly the same. 516517;1392822435;mircea_popescu;generally people seem uniquely unprepared to... you know, explain themselves. 516518;1392822441;mircea_popescu;sad state of affairs. 516519;1392822470;mircea_popescu;average joe blow banker can't articulate why he doesn't like bitcoin. 516520;1392822497;mircea_popescu;"dude, i hate it because it's a threat, what do you want from me ?" would be infinitely more respectable than you know... "oh, deflation" 516521;1392822506;pankkake;lol you quoted me 516522;1392822513;mircea_popescu;so i did. 516523;1392822523;pankkake;anyway I feel like you're discovering twitter 516524;1392822540;pankkake;it's always empty "witty" retorts, never substance 516525;1392822545;mircea_popescu;ironically, i had an account long long ago, then abandoned it because they did something stupid to the site. don't remember what exactly. 516526;1392822553;mircea_popescu;and now recently discovered that they fixed it. 516527;1392822558;mircea_popescu;so... i guess I am rediscovering it. 516528;1392822568;ThickAsThieves;do you think your style may not serve you in situations like this? as in, you started with farts and piss, and thus gave him an out to start talking like a child? 516529;1392822589;mircea_popescu;so he failed to establish his ground as a man, will do better as a child ? 516530;1392822607;ThickAsThieves;well it was easier and maybe youre just a troll 516531;1392822611;mircea_popescu;the difference between the smart and the stupid is simply that the smart can be stupid. the stupid can't be smart. 516532;1392822625;mircea_popescu;if we reduce it to the smart are smart, the stupid are stupid then there's no longer any clear hierarchy. 516533;1392822647;mircea_popescu;sure, maybe i'm just a troll. 516534;1392822650;mircea_popescu;problem solved ? 516535;1392822708;ThickAsThieves;some people require ritual in their debate is all i mean, i'm not saying it's justifiable, so much as if you talk to people the "right" way, the substance of the conversation can sometimes be allowed to surface 516536;1392822725;mircea_popescu;you know what barnacles are right ? 516537;1392822729;ThickAsThieves;yes 516538;1392822739;mircea_popescu;this particular ship you propose, which existed cca 1800, has meanwhile been infected by barnacles, 516539;1392822743;ThickAsThieves;ive injured myself often on them 516540;1392822748;mircea_popescu;to the point that there's no ship left. just an outline of barnacles. 516541;1392822771;mircea_popescu;this is what this guy is, and what i meant by "nigger" in that article : he's nothing more substantial than JUST the ritual in question. 516542;1392822786;mircea_popescu;in such a circumstance attempting to satisfy the ritual becomes an empty exercise in circularity. 516543;1392822861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2308 @ 0.00085746 = 1.979 BTC [-] 516544;1392822864;ThickAsThieves;but you reached out to him for a reason right? 516545;1392822870;ThickAsThieves;what? 516546;1392822883;mircea_popescu;"I offered you a chance to redeem your idiocy" 516547;1392822885;mircea_popescu;honestly. 516548;1392822896;mircea_popescu;it is literally what it is. 516549;1392822930;mircea_popescu;like some derp makes some ipo announcement on tardtalk and you or the girl or pankkake (who is just a troll right ?) or kako or anyone says some things 516550;1392822948;mircea_popescu;and the noob either withdraws the "ipo" (which i've seen at least once) or else goes on a derprampage. 516551;1392822951;ThickAsThieves;wouldnt that require convincing him of his idiocy at all 516552;1392822953;mircea_popescu;which i've seen a million times. 516553;1392822966;mircea_popescu;he convinced himself of it, let him unconvince himself of it too. 516554;1392822991;pankkake;I give up on the forum btw. it's hopeless. 516555;1392822999;mircea_popescu;any other approach runs straight into "i'll unconvince myself for five dollah mista" 516556;1392823013;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426116.0 people trust "screenshots", get scammed, say "i just wanted to mine" 516557;1392823018;mircea_popescu;http://news.ino.com/headlines/?newsid=274828001 516558;1392823020;ThickAsThieves;maybe, something just seems ineffective about it 516559;1392823030;mircea_popescu;check it out : us supreme court rules that argentina must pay out in fulkl to holdouts 516560;1392823036;mircea_popescu;while europe is trying to restructure debt. 516561;1392823040;mircea_popescu;this is so much epic fail. 516562;1392823065;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=473710.0 shameless sockpuppeting 516563;1392823075;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves the most effective point in all of us foreign policy was when kennedy said "fu, we're ghoing to war" 516564;1392823091;mircea_popescu;in relations with agents you're stuck not being efficient but effectual instead. 516565;1392823126;ThickAsThieves;maybe use your mpex options problem as an example, it was brought up more than once that you had a problem and it should be solved, but only after preparing the information in a way you could digest would you acknowledge it 516566;1392823150;ThickAsThieves;maybe not fair to compare a room of smart people i guess 516567;1392823157;pankkake;apparently France said to Argentina that it was cool http://www.lesechos.fr/opinions/points_vue/0203314387608-prets-a-l-argentine-la-position-indigne-de-la-france-650469.php 516568;1392823182;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves but i did engage the substance. 516569;1392823191;mircea_popescu;there's a fundamental difference here in that sense. 516570;1392823207;ThickAsThieves;well what if i had come to you saying your options are shit cuz they a borked 516571;1392823209;ThickAsThieves;and thats all 516572;1392823214;mircea_popescu;the reason people could ever construct their arguments was that i was engaging the substance, and visibly so, which allows for retort. 516573;1392823227;mircea_popescu;and the reason they bothered is the experience/knowledge that i actually do act under my own authority, 516574;1392823231;mircea_popescu;so it's not wasted effort. 516575;1392823248;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves but that's not at all similar. 516576;1392823278;ThickAsThieves;i guess youre right 516577;1392823281;ThickAsThieves;if i had sais 516578;1392823291;ThickAsThieves;Here’s a challenge : defend the options crap. in public. Against me. 516579;1392823300;ThickAsThieves;it wouldve been settled even faster 516580;1392823312;mircea_popescu;mebbe. 516581;1392823330;mircea_popescu;we'd have ended up bogged down in the fact that i know who you are 516582;1392823333;mircea_popescu;he doesn't know who i am. 516583;1392823365;mircea_popescu;if random guy fell into the chat with that request i'd have probably linked him to jurov's manual. 516584;1392823371;mircea_popescu;see how he goes from there. 516585;1392823410;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 662 @ 0.00036 = 0.2383 BTC [-] {4} 516586;1392823440;ThickAsThieves;being in the US, and a background in mktg & visual media, it's hard for me to avoid the desire to cater i guess 516587;1392823450;mircea_popescu;which is fine in many applications 516588;1392823452;mircea_popescu;but not in all. 516589;1392823457;mircea_popescu;no one strategy is good in all situations. 516590;1392823471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 944 @ 0.00085691 = 0.8089 BTC [-] 516591;1392823496;mircea_popescu;in this case mutual catering is actually a large chunk of the problem. 516592;1392823508;mircea_popescu;not only and not especially because it inflates such bubbles of self-absorption, 516593;1392823520;ThickAsThieves;i just enjoy it more when someone is converted and joins us, than when we display one more idiot 516594;1392823521;mircea_popescu;but imo even more importantly because it fails to resolve tensions with the unknown 516595;1392823537;mircea_popescu;by which i mean : kids who hussle each other grow strong and confident 516596;1392823556;mircea_popescu;kids that live in the us schools today, forbidden to as much as touch, grow up with this HORRID fear of everyone and everything 516597;1392823567;ThickAsThieves;i agree that catering in general is a horrible snowballing thing 516598;1392823568;mircea_popescu;which is unnatural, to the point it corrupts dogs. 516599;1392823586;ThickAsThieves;my wife is writing her resignation pr for her job 516600;1392823592;ThickAsThieves;and i'm like why are you lying? 516601;1392823619;ThickAsThieves;she feels she must play the game 516602;1392823626;ThickAsThieves;i feel like playing the game is the problem 516603;1392823641;mircea_popescu;well, in her defense, women playing the game and men playing the game are different problems. 516604;1392823685;ThickAsThieves;indeed, her being a woman happens to be one of the reasons she's leaving 516605;1392823699;mircea_popescu;that's an entirely different style of suck. 516606;1392823708;ThickAsThieves;old man board just cant come to terms 516607;1392823727;mircea_popescu;what srsly ? 516608;1392823740;ThickAsThieves;yeah i never thought i;d see it 516609;1392823746;ThickAsThieves;but we got old south here still 516610;1392823771;ThickAsThieves;they just see her as the girl asking for the money 516611;1392823775;ThickAsThieves;(nonprofit org) 516612;1392823786;ThickAsThieves;but she's actually the boss 516613;1392823802;mircea_popescu;http://michaelgraham.com/dear-fcc-its-none-of-your-god-business/ 516614;1392823802;ThickAsThieves;they have secret meetings without her and such 516615;1392823812;mircea_popescu;hahaha why ? 516616;1392823823;ThickAsThieves;cuz they wanna be the boss 516617;1392823849;mircea_popescu;but why ? they're the board no ? 516618;1392823856;mircea_popescu;is this like a bunch of bored retired people ? 516619;1392823861;ThickAsThieves;exactly 516620;1392823866;mircea_popescu;those boards suck. 516621;1392823869;mircea_popescu;she should quit. 516622;1392823873;ThickAsThieves;she did 516623;1392823885;ThickAsThieves;nearly doubled her salary too 516624;1392823898;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1146 @ 0.00018 = 0.2063 BTC [-] {2} 516625;1392823903;ThickAsThieves;she was doing it partly out of charity 516626;1392823915;ThickAsThieves;cuz she believed in the org 516627;1392823924;mircea_popescu;fcking condominium boards. they never go anywhere. 516628;1392823937;ThickAsThieves;our city is riddled 516629;1392823943;ThickAsThieves;many of my clients were nonprofits 516630;1392823950;ThickAsThieves;horrible horrible boards 516631;1392823959;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.00527915 = 0.2534 BTC [-] {2} 516632;1392823961;mircea_popescu;where the fuck do you live, florida ? 516633;1392823965;mircea_popescu;o wait, yes you do huh. 516634;1392823968;ThickAsThieves;hehe 516635;1392824020;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018 = 0.18 BTC [-] 516636;1392824142;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07299997 = 0.219 BTC [+] 516637;1392824207;jayk;another jp morgan bank jumper 516638;1392824217;jayk;d'oh 516639;1392824264;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07299997 = 0.146 BTC [+] 516640;1392824288;mircea_popescu;i hear jpm is rebranding 516641;1392824294;mircea_popescu;PopCorn 516642;1392824321;ThickAsThieves;rebranding sure is brutal these days! 516643;1392824325;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1005 @ 0.00300034 = 3.0153 BTC [+] {3} 516644;1392824345;ThickAsThieves;"throw it all out the window" 516645;1392824447;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00287002 = 0.1148 BTC [-] {2} 516646;1392824508;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 376 @ 0.00281257 = 1.0575 BTC [-] {5} 516647;1392824569;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 255 @ 0.0028002 = 0.7141 BTC [-] {2} 516648;1392824675;mike_c;!t h rent 516649;1392824677;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (866 shares, 4.76300000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (5326 shares, 29.29300000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (34080 shares, 187.44000000 BTC) 516650;1392824694;Apocalyptic;"Dimon's hit squad at work right now....If i work at JPM, I would watch my back going to and from work just to be safe" 516651;1392824772;ThickAsThieves;ask for an office on a lower floor at least 516652;1392824814;jayk;oh there has been 6 in 3 weeks 516653;1392824814;asciilifeform;on lower floor people tend to slip and fall onto nailguns 516654;1392824823;jayk;at least 2 jumperd 516655;1392824825;ThickAsThieves;indeed 516656;1392824832;jayk;jumpers 516657;1392824909;mircea_popescu;;;google jumping jack z80 516658;1392824910;gribble;Jumping Jack (1983)(Imagine Software) ROM < ZX Spectrum Z80 ...: ; Jumping Jack • ZX Spectrum online - Torinak: ; Universal/UPL Game List: 516659;1392824996;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.09975999 = 1.4964 BTC [+] {5} 516660;1392825019;asciilifeform;;; google hardhat mack 516661;1392825020;gribble;Hard Hat Mack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Hard Hat Mack Game Review (Apple II) - YouTube: ; C64 Longplay - Hard Hat Mack - YouTube: 516662;1392825031;asciilifeform;phun phact: that was where i first heard of 'osha' 516663;1392825058;mircea_popescu;jesus apple gayzorz 516664;1392825077;asciilifeform;brother and i played this on our 'Iskra' (xt clone) and combed three different dictionaries to learn what the fuck an osha is 516665;1392825095;davout;and wtf is an osha? 516666;1392825105;asciilifeform;;; google OSHA 516667;1392825106;gribble;Occupational Safety and Health Administration - Home: ; OSHA Law & Regulations: ; Workers page - OSHA: 516668;1392825110;asciilifeform;that. 516669;1392825118;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.53995999 = 5.3996 BTC [-] {3} 516670;1392825162;jayk;;;google custers revenge 516671;1392825163;gribble;Custer's Revenge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Custer's Revenge - YouTube: ; Custer's Revenge - The 11 Most Racist Video Games - UGO.com: 516672;1392825182;jayk;i had that for the atari 2600 516673;1392825210;mircea_popescu;did any of you discover that the original civ could be forced into multiplayer mode 516674;1392825218;mircea_popescu;by altering a bit in the savegame 516675;1392825227;mircea_popescu;(the one that identified which civilisation you're playing) 516676;1392825234;asciilifeform;not only that 516677;1392825241;asciilifeform;you could play as the 'barbarians' 516678;1392825250;mircea_popescu;yup 516679;1392825255;mircea_popescu;that was actually loads of fun 516680;1392825261;mircea_popescu;tho you couldn't build shit 516681;1392825287;asciilifeform;right 516682;1392825377;mircea_popescu;As the mist leaves no scar on the dark green hill so my body leaves no scar on you and never will 516683;1392825387;mircea_popescu;what the fuck cockless inept lover is this cohen guy 516684;1392825394;mircea_popescu;who the fuck ever loved a woman and never left any scar on her. 516685;1392826460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00085799 = 4.1184 BTC [+] 516686;1392826521;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.511 = 2.044 BTC [-] {2} 516687;1392826582;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.511 = 1.022 BTC [-] 516688;1392826643;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07289998 = 1.458 BTC [-] {3} 516689;1392826704;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07300014 = 0.876 BTC [+] {2} 516690;1392826706;ThickAsThieves;this should make National Geographic: http://cdn1.sbnation.com/assets/4023629/DSCF4056.jpg 516691;1392826726;ThickAsThieves;he's even wearing google glass 516692;1392826765;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07499 = 0.5999 BTC [+] 516693;1392826768;ThickAsThieves;http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=176060&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1901229&highlight= 516694;1392826824;asciilifeform;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anil_Dash 516695;1392826833;asciilifeform;' he was the winner of the "nigritude ultramarine" search engine optimization contest,[5] and in 2005 he was photographed and printed in the New York Times on June 2, 2005, Fashion Thursday section in a Threadless t-shirt mentioning the web site Goatse.cx.' 516696;1392826835;asciilifeform;seriously? 516697;1392826859;ThickAsThieves;lol 516698;1392826889;ThickAsThieves;"... is a blogger, entrepreneur, and technologist." 516699;1392827069;ThickAsThieves;“It is important to continually improve Canada’s regime to address emerging risks, including virtual currencies such as Bitcoin, that threaten Canada’s international leadership in the fight against money laundering and terrorist financing,” said Flaherty. 516700;1392827132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 476 @ 0.00085799 = 0.4084 BTC [+] 516701;1392827619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00085751 = 9.647 BTC [-] {2} 516702;1392827646;bones`;So what is going to happen in Ukraine? 516703;1392827712;nubbins`;mayhem 516704;1392827784;bones`;Pretty sure they've made it to mayhem 516705;1392827993;nubbins`;nod 516706;1392827995;nubbins`;more of the same 516707;1392828001;bones`;speaking of: http://rt.com/news/weapons-protesters-kiev-police-745/ 516708;1392828290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36250 @ 0.00086029 = 31.1855 BTC [+] {4} 516709;1392828386;Chris_Sabian_;Apocalyptic: are you online? 516710;1392828398;Apocalyptic;Chris_Sabian_, I am 516711;1392828429;nubbins`;BingoBoingo: i'm now 0-2 after losing to you and Apocalyptic. D: 516712;1392828435;nubbins`;;;later tell truffles CHESS 516713;1392828436;gribble;The operation succeeded. 516714;1392828440;nubbins`;;;later tell namworld CHESS 516715;1392828440;gribble;The operation succeeded. 516716;1392828534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3320 @ 0.00085687 = 2.8448 BTC [-] 516717;1392828785;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform postmodernism. everyone's famous for nothing in particular. 516718;1392829022;mircea_popescu;hey assets, is cloudhashing.com scam ? 516719;1392829025;mircea_popescu;or what do we know of it ? 516720;1392829104;ThickAsThieves;it's been around a long time 516721;1392829130;ThickAsThieves;i always assumed they stopped mining and started faking it at some point 516722;1392829144;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 150 @ 0.16230094 = 24.3451 BTC [-] 516723;1392829146;ThickAsThieves;there are some stories out there of customer nightmares 516724;1392829157;ThickAsThieves;but i never saw anything definitive 516725;1392829205;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.70496334 BTC to 2`122 shares, 80347 satoshi per share 516726;1392829238;mircea_popescu;kinda what i had too 516727;1392829262;ThickAsThieves;TF endorsed them 516728;1392829268;ThickAsThieves;and advertised there 516729;1392829286;ThickAsThieves;Deprived called it a scam 516730;1392829323;mircea_popescu;did he ever show anything ? 516731;1392829361;ThickAsThieves;yeah, but TF debunked it 516732;1392829372;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=163741.msg1803042#msg1803042 516733;1392829384;mircea_popescu;well i guess this passes the bar for advertising, what can i say. 516734;1392829386;ThickAsThieves;a whole thread on the topic :) 516735;1392829632;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 150 @ 0.06271483 = 9.4072 BTC [-] {10} 516736;1392829876;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.5111244 = 2.5556 BTC [+] {3} 516737;1392829892;TomServo;asciilifeform: got a link to the monitor you mentioned? 516738;1392829909;asciilifeform;TomServo: it wasn't a proper monitor. tablet widget. 516739;1392829914;asciilifeform;kept around just for that purpose 516740;1392829919;TomServo;Ah 516741;1392829998;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0975 = 0.39 BTC [-] {2} 516742;1392829999;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 57 @ 0.16230094 = 9.2512 BTC [-] 516743;1392830142;asciilifeform;TomServo: simply bought the highest 'dpi' screen sold, for reading scanned crap. 516744;1392830209;nubbins`;was it an ipad with retina? ;p 516745;1392830215;asciilifeform;nope 516746;1392830233;nubbins`;i've seen some nice usb monitors for cheap 516747;1392830234;asciilifeform;those are 2048 x 1536 516748;1392830294;nubbins`;nod. fine for the size, but if you want something bigger.. 516749;1392830308;asciilifeform;one of the google tablet toys 516750;1392830312;asciilifeform;'nexus 10' 516751;1392830315;nubbins`;ah, yes 516752;1392830323;nubbins`;i almost bought a nexus 516753;1392830326;nubbins`;4, 5, something 516754;1392830330;asciilifeform;i literally don't need it for anything other than reading djvu scans. 516755;1392830336;nubbins`;yeah 516756;1392830340;nubbins`;way cheaper than an ipad, too 516757;1392830345;asciilifeform;about the same cost 516758;1392830348;nubbins`;srsly? 516759;1392830353;asciilifeform;~400 usd 516760;1392830356;nubbins`;<--doesn't keep up on tech much anymore 516761;1392830364;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 45 @ 0.06250007 = 2.8125 BTC [-] 516762;1392830369;nubbins`;i think my ipad was ~$700 516763;1392830373;nubbins`;but this was years ago 516764;1392830378;nubbins`;and a business expense 516765;1392830379;asciilifeform;if someone sold a screen with double the pixels for double the cost, i'd have bought that. 516766;1392830386;asciilifeform;or triple, quadruple, etc. 516767;1392830415;asciilifeform;djvu is a really spiffy format that uses wavelet compression 516768;1392830418;ThickAsThieves;the nexus 7 is pretty nice 516769;1392830427;asciilifeform;and the scans are usually taken in a ridiculously high res to begin with 516770;1392830451;nubbins`;what's the biggest res that HDMI can support at a reasonable framerate, i wonder? 516771;1392830462;asciilifeform;('pdf' for such scans is virtually worthlessly slow) 516772;1392830538;nubbins`;^ 516773;1392830542;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You didn't get him in channel though. 516774;1392830547;asciilifeform;my one and only flirt with programming for apple crap was a djvu viewer for ipad (model 1) 516775;1392830557;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo true true 516776;1392830564;asciilifeform;never published (i decided it was crap, and shortly after, someone beat me to the punch) 516777;1392830572;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ok 3k px but how big is it ? 10 inches ? 516778;1392830576;asciilifeform;10. 516779;1392830578;asciilifeform;diagonally 516780;1392830583;mircea_popescu;kinda small neh ? 516781;1392830595;asciilifeform;usable. originals were roughly a4. 516782;1392830612;mircea_popescu;even so. i make it my policy to never look at small stuff. 516783;1392830619;asciilifeform;the viewer auto-crops whitespace 516784;1392830624;mircea_popescu;i don't think i've read type smaller than about half an inch in the past decade 516785;1392830630;asciilifeform;so it looks more or less like the original page 516786;1392830642;mircea_popescu;but the original page is what, 12pt ? 516787;1392830650;asciilifeform;~14 516788;1392830652;mircea_popescu;a a 516789;1392830697;mircea_popescu;but anyway, everyone : the best thing you can do for your eyes is make all the text big. 516790;1392830711;mircea_popescu;and never look at small shit, like ever. 516791;1392830792;mike_c;aren't we all sitting in front of multiple 30" monitors that are blasting our eyes to crap anyway? 516792;1392830798;*;ThickAsThieves increases IRC font size 516793;1392830814;mircea_popescu;mike_c the eyes don't mind all that much just as long as you don't go all spinoza on them 516794;1392830849;Jere_Jones;Can/Should WOT be used for a business identity instead of the individuals behind that business? 516795;1392830863;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones can you construct an example ? 516796;1392830866;Jere_Jones;Scratch "Can". Obviously it "can". 516797;1392830911;Jere_Jones;Coinbase (just an example) creates a WOT identity and puts the fingerprint on their website. Happy with the service? Rate it. Unhappy, rate it. 516798;1392830936;mircea_popescu;seems reasonable. 516799;1392830952;mircea_popescu;firm, comes from firma, which comes from signature. 516800;1392830972;mircea_popescu;the wot is the corporation register of bitcoin. whether you're a person or anything else, you're equally a corporation anywya. 516801;1392830988;Jere_Jones;Would there be an implied social contract to not transfer the identities private key if the business changes ownership? 516802;1392831003;mircea_popescu;you can effect key changes on the wot. 516803;1392831013;mircea_popescu;the outgoin gowner would sign in favour of the new owner's key. 516804;1392831028;Jere_Jones;I'm thinking more along the lines of the new owners not getting the benefit of the previous owners good ratings. 516805;1392831038;mircea_popescu;why not ? 516806;1392831046;mircea_popescu;when you buy a business you buy its goodwill too. 516807;1392831061;diametric;oh man so tempting a 3d printer I've wanted to try for a while can be bought with bitcoin now. 516808;1392831067;mircea_popescu;sometimes people fuck it up, like dice seems to have fucked up /. 516809;1392831085;nubbins`;one of my companies has a WoT identity 516810;1392831099;mircea_popescu;diametric and you want us to talk you out of it ? 516811;1392831108;nubbins`;to be fair i use it as well, but, shrug 516812;1392831112;ThickAsThieves;problem for the business is, 516813;1392831122;Jere_Jones;thanks 516814;1392831124;ThickAsThieves;people are way mor elikely to leave negative feedback 516815;1392831144;nubbins`;sure, but that's true of individuals too 516816;1392831155;nubbins`;how many people have a dozen "-10 FAGGOT SCAMMER" ratings? 516817;1392831155;ThickAsThieves;not sure i agree 516818;1392831156;mircea_popescu;what is this, php operators ? 516819;1392831164;mircea_popescu;everything's > than everything else ? 516820;1392831172;diametric;mircea_popescu: yes its probably wise 516821;1392831179;diametric;I've run out of real estate to put them 516822;1392831189;diametric;until I build out my garage into a machine shop this spring 516823;1392831199;mircea_popescu;diametric ok so i'll talk you out of it for a modest fee of 1 btc 516824;1392831202;nubbins`;diametric: for the sake of a differing opinion, i think you should purchase the luxury item you don't have room for 516825;1392831204;diametric;mircea_popescu: haha 516826;1392831213;diametric;nubbins`: i like your style 516827;1392831226;*;nubbins` buffs fingernails on lapel 516828;1392831243;mircea_popescu;didn't blow on them first, go straight to jale 516829;1392831248;mircea_popescu;do not pass go do not collect 1 btc fee. 516830;1392831262;nubbins`;joke's on you, my lapel is covered in petroleum jelly 516831;1392831281;mircea_popescu;lol 516832;1392831310;mircea_popescu;diametric you could probably put it in the bedroom anyway 516833;1392831313;mircea_popescu;instead of a double bed 516834;1392831316;mircea_popescu;which is really not needed 516835;1392831319;mircea_popescu;you could have two cots 516836;1392831323;mircea_popescu;or bunk beds 516837;1392831337;diametric;haha 516838;1392831339;nubbins`;anyway regarding this growing weed business, it's probably not a great way to make money. so regulation, much red tape 516839;1392831357;mircea_popescu;nubbins` the co licenses are worth about 10x what they cost atm. 516840;1392831370;kakobrekla;based on what 516841;1392831372;nubbins`;are they xferable? 516842;1392831376;mircea_popescu;what ppl'd pay to get one 516843;1392831379;mircea_popescu;well, it's iffy. 516844;1392831381;nubbins`;nod 516845;1392831389;nubbins`;iffy is a precursor to no 516846;1392831393;bones`;diametric, did you say what you planned on printing? 516847;1392831396;mircea_popescu;depends. people sell ips for instance. 516848;1392831406;nubbins`;the other thing is that all this shit is still 100% illegal on the federal level 516849;1392831418;diametric;bones`: lots of things, though i already have 9 3d printers 516850;1392831424;diametric;wait i think its 9, i lost count 516851;1392831426;mircea_popescu;the entire point is the destruction of the federal level. 516852;1392831430;nubbins`;DEA bandaleros can technically (if not practically) swoop in whenever they wish 516853;1392831441;diametric;nubbins`: i hope they would 516854;1392831448;bones`;Then you definitely should buy another, who has 9 of something? Have 10. 516855;1392831448;nubbins`;why? fuck the dea 516856;1392831454;diametric;nubbins`: not for the reasons you think 516857;1392831459;nubbins`;do tell 516858;1392831462;diametric;They need to do that, so someone with time and money can challenge that shit 516859;1392831462;mircea_popescu;but for different reasons altogether ? 516860;1392831469;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, story of my life 516861;1392831474;mircea_popescu;diametric let them consolidate a few years first. 516862;1392831494;nubbins`;plenty of money then 516863;1392831496;diametric;yeah 516864;1392831515;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: I don't remember, but I didn't think Apocalyptic was in the tournament. 516865;1392831516;nubbins`;there's a guy in my city who has a massive hydroponic lettuce operation 516866;1392831521;diametric;I feel like the feds plan is just to loom over the industry to cast doubt on it, but only rarely try to enforce it at the federal level. 516867;1392831523;nubbins`;BingoBoingo: then my record remains 0-1 516868;1392831535;mircea_popescu;diametric the federal plan is to try and survive. 516869;1392831539;diametric;its fucking ridiculous marijuana is a schedule 1 drug 516870;1392831541;mircea_popescu;which is difficult already 516871;1392831544;nubbins`;and i know of several people who currently have grow licenses from health canada 516872;1392831565;*;nubbins` thinks 516873;1392831576;nubbins`;city bylaws would realistically be the only other obstacle 516874;1392831583;Apocalyptic;how come i'm not in the tournament ? 516875;1392831599;nubbins`;but i mean, just move the farm outside the city. 15 minute drive and you're in the sticks 516876;1392831607;nubbins`;security costs plummet then, as well 516877;1392831616;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic i thinkj they started it like 6 weeks ago 516878;1392831628;nubbins`;at least a month ago, likely more 516879;1392831648;nubbins`;anyway 516880;1392831650;Apocalyptic;I remember playing BingoBoingo well before that 516881;1392831667;nubbins`;you're looking at this from the perspective of buying a license and selling it, not from the perspective of actually financing a legal grow-op 516882;1392831668;KRS-One;city bylaws = ordinances 516883;1392831669;nubbins`;correct? 516884;1392831701;KRS-One;.bait 516885;1392831712;*;KRS-One leaves 516886;1392831715;nubbins`;heh 516887;1392831719;nubbins`;.wait 516888;1392831725;mircea_popescu;nubbins` assets are assets. 516889;1392831728;nubbins`;nod 516890;1392831745;mircea_popescu;seems it's a better deal than buy a miner, which is worth less in time 516891;1392831767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00085597 = 3.7663 BTC [-] 516892;1392831787;jcpham;aww snap we 'minin 516893;1392831792;jcpham;in the -assetsd 516894;1392831800;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic gotta ask BingoBoingo then, he's been butchering the championship management. 516895;1392831824;nubbins`;well, if you feel like doing it in .ca, you know a canadian who can wrangle things. got about 6 months to make a killing before competition pushes profit down to a minimum 516896;1392831868;mircea_popescu;it's an entire apparatus, not as simple as one guy sadly. 516897;1392831872;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: We played well before the tournament started I believe. It was this thing started on a whim as a four player round robin. truffles nubbins` and myself were in MP's spec I believe and then Namworld was online at the exact right time. Since we need some sort of three way tiebreaker if nubbins` loses to everyone... Fuck it, five way round robin. 516898;1392831888;nubbins`;oh, totally, you'd need a dozen or so people at the least 516899;1392831951;nubbins`;i've got a brown thumb anyway, the best i'd be able to do is pull together a team on your behalf 516900;1392831962;Apocalyptic;alright 516901;1392831979;nubbins`;BingoBoingo: "if" i lose to everyone 516902;1392832003;nubbins`;such delicate wording ;D 516903;1392832011;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.063 = 0.756 BTC [-] 516904;1392832072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10890 @ 0.00085652 = 9.3275 BTC [+] {3} 516905;1392832133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6323 @ 0.00085477 = 5.4047 BTC [-] {2} 516906;1392832147;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Well, truffles is in this thing. 516907;1392832229;nubbins`;HEH 516908;1392832250;nubbins`;on another note: "Pussy Riot members attacked with whips by Cossack militia in Sochi" 516909;1392832281;ThickAsThieves;http://buttcoin.org/bitcoin-jesus-asserts-food-water-value 516910;1392832345;nubbins`;hahaha 516911;1392832349;nubbins`;don't even need to watch it 516912;1392832350;nubbins`;my sides 516913;1392832373;jcpham;water futures will one day be a hot market 516914;1392832388;jcpham;fresh water speculation 516915;1392832409;mod6;ahh cool, never noticed the "check GPG key quality" link on the WoT page for a certain registered person, it links to nosuchlabs.com's collider :) 516916;1392832872;nubbins`;that reminds me, i need to vault some backups 516917;1392833145;benkay;glacierrr 516918;1392833153;benkay;dude youse guys aws is so seductively awesome 516919;1392833170;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07127777 = 0.6415 BTC [-] {3} 516920;1392833232;benkay;blob store? we got it. presigned urls for user content? we got it. cdn? yup. servers. auto-backing-up database servers. load balancers. 516921;1392833242;benkay;still want my own metal 516922;1392833348;kakobrekla;zomg "i believe that decentralization in the central theme of the century." dude, it aint funny! 516923;1392833380;nubbins`;generally i lose a little bit of interest in a sentence when it starts with "I" 516924;1392833394;nubbins`;and then a larger chunk if "I" is followed by "believe" 516925;1392833425;nubbins`;if it wasn't for peripheral vision, i wouldn't know what the rest of the sentence was beyond "decentralization" 516926;1392833430;kakobrekla;well the question went "do you believe that. ..." 516927;1392833446;kakobrekla;or maybe it didnt 516928;1392833455;kakobrekla;who knows at this point. 516929;1392833473;nubbins`;nobody D: 516930;1392833491;nubbins`;"central theme of the century" 516931;1392833513;nubbins`;i believe that he doesn't know what three of those words mean 516932;1392833532;benkay;idea combinatorics 516933;1392833535;benkay;thinking is hard to begin with 516934;1392833544;ThickAsThieves;what were previous century themes? 516935;1392833551;nubbins`;combinatorics, great field of study 516936;1392833551;benkay;but man you start /stacking/ ideas and people just trip over their own feet 516937;1392833560;nubbins`;makes you go a bit googly-eyed after a while tho 516938;1392833573;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: "centralization", i guess ;( 516939;1392833602;ThickAsThieves;we've been building things for so long, let's change it up! 516940;1392833604;nubbins`;or perhaps "hopefully we will survive long enough to reproduce" 516941;1392833616;nubbins`;that's probably the overarching theme 516942;1392833637;Ito9;http://www.ubs.wallst.com/ubs/mkt_story.asp?docKey=1329-L2N0LO199-1 516943;1392833651;nubbins`;but hey, isn't that just a different way of saying "decentralization"? ;D 516944;1392833684;ThickAsThieves;"do not block or slow down access to any lawful content on the Internet." 516945;1392833707;ThickAsThieves;providers being recruiting as enforcers again 516946;1392833723;nubbins`;lawful content 516947;1392833729;nubbins`;seems pretty cut-and-dry 516948;1392833732;ThickAsThieves;recruited* 516949;1392833757;ThickAsThieves;yeah like weed dispensers? 516950;1392833812;ThickAsThieves;or maybe bitcoin miners? 516951;1392833902;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07000001 = 0.35 BTC [-] 516952;1392833963;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 182 @ 0.0050309 = 0.9156 BTC [-] {11} 516953;1392834025;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.06601487 = 2.9707 BTC [-] {9} 516954;1392834085;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00085568 = 6.332 BTC [+] 516955;1392834236;ThickAsThieves;Lawsky AMA 12:30PM EST tomorrow --- https://twitter.com/BenLawsky/ 516956;1392834268;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.063 = 1.827 BTC [-] 516957;1392834278;BingoBoingo;;;tslb 516958;1392834287;gribble;Time since last block: 6 minutes and 17 seconds 516959;1392834878;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 50 @ 0.05830048 = 2.915 BTC [-] {11} 516960;1392835080;cads;hey guys, suppose a business is consulting me to provide them a fleet of 5 3d printers (which can be bought for around $4K a piece) 516961;1392835124;cads;What's the appropriate consulting fee, assuming I'm additionally training some workers and teaching them how to use the tech? 516962;1392835250;benkay;2k/wk 516963;1392835271;benkay;;;calc 2000/wo 516964;1392835271;gribble;Error: 'wo' is not a defined function. 516965;1392835275;benkay;;;calc 2000/40 516966;1392835275;gribble;50 516967;1392835284;benkay;nah. 6k. 516968;1392835407;cads;okay, 2k a week while we're there doing the thang 516969;1392835427;cads;or more! 516970;1392835514;asciilifeform;re "do not block or slow down access to any lawful content on the Internet." << http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/netad.jpg 516971;1392835731;ThickAsThieves;that's a joke graphic though right? 516972;1392835737;asciilifeform;afaik. 516973;1392835753;asciilifeform;joke's getting less funny, though. 516974;1392835833;pankkake;some French mobile ISP did a similar thing 516975;1392835845;asciilifeform;nsa settles lawsuit with comic nsa: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/mccall-v-nsa-dhs.pdf 516976;1392835861;pankkake;and most mobile ISPs are doing a lot of crap 516977;1392835915;diametric;asciilifeform: I've seen that going around. 516978;1392835930;diametric;asciilifeform: what appears to be happening now, is verizon and comcast are pushing netflix through their already saturated links 516979;1392835936;diametric;and then going "thats just how the internet works, we're not throttling it!" 516980;1392835938;VirtaAssets;you can contribute to the Satoshi Project to receive a guaranteed 120% payout (34.1% funded on round 49) : http://cur.lv/7lc9r 516981;1392835944;diametric;and by netflix i mean amazon aws 516982;1392835959;VirtaAssets;I was not on private ? sorry :\ 516983;1392835974;asciilifeform;spambot with built-in apology! 516984;1392835977;diametric;haha 516985;1392835978;asciilifeform;who said there is nothing new under the sun! 516986;1392835979;VirtaAssets;ignore my message 516987;1392835983;diametric;VirtaAssets: tell me more 516988;1392835993;kakobrekla; yes, you can contribute to the Satoshi Project to receive a guaranteed 120% payout (34.1% funded on round 49) : http://cur.lv/7lc9r 516989;1392835993;kakobrekla; or you can fuck off 516990;1392835993;kakobrekla; oups, I was not on private :\ 516991;1392835993;kakobrekla; sorry 516992;1392835995;kakobrekla;lulz 516993;1392836017;diametric;VirtaAssets: do you have any multi-level marketing opportunities? 516994;1392836020;VirtaAssets;have a look 516995;1392836025;pankkake;obvious spam trick is obvious 516996;1392836036;VirtaAssets;It works 516997;1392836051;diametric;VirtaAssets: it works! wow! tell me more about how it works 516998;1392836056;VirtaAssets;join me on private diam 516999;1392836066;diametric;let me get some popcorn first 517000;1392836082;pankkake;you send me 1.2 BTC and I'll send you 1 BTC 517001;1392836112;diametric;no no no, you invest 10 BTC, and get a monthly 0.1BTC return 517002;1392836135;asciilifeform;diametric: not unlike mining co. 517003;1392836140;diametric;yep 517004;1392836173;ThickAsThieves; nsa settles lawsuit with comic nsa: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/mccall-v-nsa-dhs.pdf /// this is awesome 517005;1392836310;mike_c;w00t, $500 from the nsa 517006;1392836318;ThickAsThieves;i wonder if i could get away with selling NSA original logo shirts as parody too 517007;1392836339;ThickAsThieves;"are you trying to say the NSA is not a joke?" 517008;1392836340;asciilifeform;that cheque has got to be even more valuable then a Knuth one 517009;1392836343;asciilifeform;*than 517010;1392836456;asciilifeform;the bureaucrats got a good deal for that 500. case never went to trial, and so they'll get to pull this shit as many times as they like. 517011;1392836483;cads;wow my business partner sent me the email correspondence with the client 517012;1392836509;cads;he managed not to mention that he has a partner who's loaning him the computronium base of the business 517013;1392836512;Apocalyptic;cads, was there some "niggers.txt" attachment ? 517014;1392836531;cads;and he sent his resume 517015;1392836534;cads;for giggles :) 517016;1392836546;diametric;http://i.imgur.com/0goJ6t3.png 517017;1392836579;cads;the client thinks that it would be a good idea to instead retain my friend for 25 an hour while he helps them set up 517018;1392836588;cads;and possibly a permanent position 517019;1392836602;cads;I think if we manage this we can get more than that 517020;1392836668;cads;for now we're negotiating a first job - we're going to print a gun stock for around $700 517021;1392836719;diametric;print a gun stock? 517022;1392836750;cads;it's a prototype to testing fit and ergonomics 517023;1392836829;the20year2;Pretty expensive for a gun stock 517024;1392836839;the20year2;Unless it's free floating, unique and all that jazz 517025;1392836899;kakobrekla;can you also print a laughing stock? 517026;1392836916;the20year2;I imagine so 517027;1392836926;cads;I'm not sure why they would not simply mill it from wood 517028;1392836939;the20year2;Most companies do , or they use PIM to make one from say zytel 517029;1392836952;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07 = 0.42 BTC [+] 517030;1392836953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00085662 = 6.7245 BTC [+] 517031;1392836976;the20year2;But, as you said if it's a prototype it might make sense to test it before using. Granted I don't undersand how you came to $700 if that fee doesn't include the design work too 517032;1392837013;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.0561 = 0.3366 BTC [-] {3} 517033;1392837041;diametric;the20year2: 3D printing thats a bit high, but for traditional CNC its not. 517034;1392837051;diametric;the20year2: creating the toolpath from the design can be just as difficult as the design itself. 517035;1392837060;the20year2;3d printing or cnc? 517036;1392837066;ThickAsThieves;sounds like the embroidery business 517037;1392837070;the20year2;For cnc it could likely be fine, for 3d printing i don't think it'd be right 517038;1392837074;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.05180004 = 1.554 BTC [-] {7} 517039;1392837096;ThickAsThieves;with an extra dimension :) 517040;1392837110;the20year2;Big cost on the t 517041;1392837111;diametric;the20year2: yeah thats what i said 517042;1392837118;cads;we're figuring 200-300 for set up, 500-600 for printing. 517043;1392837118;diametric;most of the toolpath work for 3D printing is entirely automated 517044;1392837127;the20year2;The stock will be then creating the toolpath if they go wood, molds for dies ,ect 517045;1392837137;the20year2;I need to get into that business 517046;1392837156;cads;it's going to be a ultra tall format print and we're expecting it to fail at least once :P 517047;1392837160;the20year2;Are you talking full length stock, say 18"-24" long or just the end stock for like an AR/AK that's 6" or so 517048;1392837164;diametric;cads: FDM? 517049;1392837167;cads;yeah 517050;1392837180;diametric;yeah thats way expensive dude, but hey if you can get it, good on you 517051;1392837184;cads;right now they use a STL machine in italy 517052;1392837196;cads;and fly out a guy to check the prototype 517053;1392837219;cads;I think they want to see what a $1000 3d printer can do 517054;1392837235;diametric;If it were like an objet, then yeah $700 probably isn't enough. 517055;1392837239;cads;and want some local guys or indeed some inhouse capability and staff 517056;1392837245;diametric;The resins objet uses are stupid expensive 517057;1392837247;cads;objet would be at least 3500 517058;1392837294;the20year2;would seem cheaper to me then to create dies and just PIM it 517059;1392837325;diametric;the20year2: creating the die would cost a lot more than $700 517060;1392837343;diametric;I guess if you had some cheap sintered dies made 517061;1392837346;cads;I'm not going to lie, 3500 is a figure I pulled from my rear 517062;1392837348;diametric;that only would last a few runs it would be 517063;1392837402;cads;but you have less lead time and you're able to print really unmanufacturable geometry 517064;1392837404;asciilifeform;anyone recall the stories of u.s. soldiers in vietnam making fun of their plastic stocks? 517065;1392837427;asciilifeform;http://www.snopes.com/military/m16.asp 517066;1392837429;greenspan_fan;yes, didn't they have to switch back? 517067;1392837437;cads;Hmm, it would be nice if we could print with fiber reinforced plastic. 517068;1392837493;the20year2;My dad was told by quite a few guys they hated their stocks 517069;1392837496;cads;I'm kinda worried our printer won't be able to do it 517070;1392837501;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.513 BTC [+] 517071;1392837506;greenspan_fan;I am just waiting for a $500 carbon fiber printer to show up on kickstarter 517072;1392837510;cads;the thing is a piece of crap 517073;1392837513;asciilifeform;pretty sure plastic stocks are SOP to this day 517074;1392837525;cads;and the control software is really lame 517075;1392837526;the20year2;For most firearms, yes 517076;1392837547;cads;luckily the parts we have to print are pretty printable 517077;1392837549;asciilifeform;i always thought this was odd. how do you club a man with a plastic stock 517078;1392837561;the20year2;There's a tube inside the aluminum stock that runs to the end of it 517079;1392837563;greenspan_fan;repeatedly? 517080;1392837565;benkay;"hold still! i must bonk you gently!" 517081;1392837569;greenspan_fan;haha 517082;1392837574;the20year2;And you're not supposed to club someone with the gun, you're supposed to stab with the pointy knife on the other end 517083;1392837585;the20year2;Or , if you're gonna club someone, use the barrel, not the butt 517084;1392837587;diametric;greenspan_fan: theres CF infused PLA already 517085;1392837590;diametric;greenspan_fan: its junk 517086;1392837600;diametric;CF just isn't something you really 3D print with 517087;1392837615;greenspan_fan;too deformable, or what? 517088;1392837615;the20year2;There are some really good materials coming out soon that have awesome tensile strength 517089;1392837621;asciilifeform;i recall the relevant u.s. manual explicitly forbidding clubbing with the business end. 517090;1392837623;asciilifeform;bent barrels. 517091;1392837630;the20year2;No 517092;1392837635;diametric;greenspan_fan: no benefit, any FDM style printer is still going to suffer from a weakness on the layers 517093;1392837640;diametric;greenspan_fan: whether or not its CF 517094;1392837648;the20year2;Those barrels are made out of steel proofed to 200,000PSI , you're not gonna bend them by clubbing someone 517095;1392837681;greenspan_fan;you don't have to bend it much to wreck it 517096;1392837692;the20year2;It just isn't possible to bend the barrel of a modern firearm 517097;1392837698;asciilifeform;the20year2: proofed by firing. directionally even stress, from inside. 517098;1392837701;asciilifeform;it isn't a crowbar 517099;1392837706;the20year2;or to damage it by a human being clubbing somoene with it 517100;1392837711;asciilifeform;and grunts are, afaik, severely punished for using it as such 517101;1392837722;the20year2;In a life or death situation i'm sure they don't care too much 517102;1392837760;the20year2;But at any rate, the military still issues bayonets to soldiers 517103;1392837769;the20year2;and those work typically much better than clubs 517104;1392837807;asciilifeform;manual for m16 (downloadable!) actually had a chapter on how to destroy the piece, if capture is imminent - instructed to scatter parts, and bend the barrel by jumping on it... 517105;1392837869;the20year2;Would be much easier just to separate the BCG from the bolthead and just throw it as far as you can 517106;1392837888;asciilifeform;if i recall that was part of the recipe. 517107;1392837932;the20year2;That would render the gun inoperable and virtually nothing usable for the enemy to use 517108;1392837948;asciilifeform;well, a useful barrel 517109;1392837950;asciilifeform;presumably valuable 517110;1392837964;the20year2;Depends 517111;1392837981;the20year2;Bending the gas tube would be pretty easy, and could potentially plug the barrel up in a way it wouldn't operate correctly in teh future 517112;1392838044;asciilifeform;all of this being rather funny in light of the fact that the vietnamese wouldn't pick these up, even when brand new. 517113;1392838068;the20year2;Not against us , but they used the heck out of them against the CHinese and conitnue to use them today 517114;1392838144;asciilifeform;[insert obligatory armchair generals' 'ak vs m16' flamewar here.] 517115;1392838146;the20year2;the AK and M16 are two different guns. One is for people who are educated and trained, the other is for everyone else 517116;1392838162;the20year2;I love my AK, but I can't say it's the gun I want to use if the world ends 517117;1392838245;the20year2;Additionally, up until the Sino-vietnam conflict, the Chinese doctrine was to issue everyone with T53 bolt action rifles because they were 'more reliable' than the AK 517118;1392838255;asciilifeform;when this is said, i always picture a game-like scene, where a godlike narrator proclaims 'world has ended! choose your small arms' 517119;1392838299;the20year2;I'm sure it won't happen like that, but the gun within grabbing ditance, ready to go in my house is a colt AR15, not my AK 517120;1392838340;asciilifeform;my understanding is that people generally get whatever's lying around in the ruins of whichever great 20th c. empire they happen to live in. 517121;1392838386;the20year2;Depends on the scenario 517122;1392838423;the20year2;Plenty of empires or smaller players have had time in the past to prepare for wars, ect. Many people in many nations have had time to prepare for civil wars 517123;1392838445;the20year2;The leadup to the yugoslovian wars saw some sides doing quite well with armament programs.....the ones that lost didn't prepare 517124;1392838460;asciilifeform;general rule for 'partizan,' historically, is to stick to the caliber of the prospective enemy. 517125;1392838468;asciilifeform;whose supplies you are to be plundering. 517126;1392838481;the20year2;That usually works quite well 517127;1392838508;asciilifeform;i'm told that yugoslavia still produces german 8mm rounds 517128;1392838520;the20year2;Yes, they still have the dies that the USSR plundered from Germany 517129;1392838522;asciilifeform;(well, what's left of yugoslavia) 517130;1392838538;the20year2;The USSR broke up much of the fabrication equipment from Eastern Germany and sold or gave it to client states 517131;1392838561;mod6;bought my buddy a mauser once, thing bucks like a mule. 517132;1392838571;asciilifeform;there are russian factories still running various machine tools with nazi eagles stamped on them. 517133;1392838576;the20year2;Much of the 8mm/mauser equipment ended up in Romania and Yugoslovia. The MG42 tooling ended up entirely almost in Yugoslovia, specifically the zavasta plant in Serbia. They still produce the MG42 and K98 on original german equipment 517134;1392838581;asciilifeform;'works, why fix it' 517135;1392838591;asciilifeform;zastava? 517136;1392838593;the20year2;ascii, to a point yes, but the bulk of it was given to USSR client states 517137;1392838602;the20year2;Yes 517138;1392838606;the20year2;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zastava_Arms 517139;1392838632;asciilifeform;neat. 517140;1392838666;asciilifeform;interesting to picture future 'apocalyptic' war fought with ww2 arms. 517141;1392838677;the20year2;In future wars there will be plenty of ww1 era firearms used 517142;1392838696;the20year2;There are many, many firearms from WW2 and pre-ww2 eras still being used in most of the middle east, africa and asia 517143;1392838708;the20year2;And of all ww2 weapons, a great deal were made during ww1, 517144;1392838721;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 95 @ 0.0055 = 0.5225 BTC 517145;1392838722;asciilifeform;just rubs in the point that nothing fundamentally new has happened in the field since those times. 517146;1392838723;the20year2;And if you got surplus from ww1, means there's a good chance you have pre-1900 weapons too. 517147;1392838729;the20year2;Not really 517148;1392838737;the20year2;my favorite example is the colt potato digger 517149;1392838755;the20year2;Buy one without a ton of permits in the US and it's jail time 517150;1392838763;the20year2;Even though it's 120 years old, and made with hand tools 517151;1392838772;asciilifeform;heh, yet another reason for the immortality of vintage small arms 517152;1392838778;asciilifeform;people tend to bury or otherwise hoard them 517153;1392838782;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.055 = 0.22 BTC [+] {2} 517154;1392838796;the20year2;That's why I collect them. There's something fun about handing a 1895 issued rifle to a person and reminding them it's effective to 1,000 yards 517155;1392838841;the20year2;There are few if any modern arms that are vastly superior to those made during ww2. Sure things are lighter today, but that's it 517156;1392838850;asciilifeform;people in the 'iron curtain' lands still often find 'grandfather's schmeisser' in the attic, etc. 517157;1392838856;the20year2;The US M240 GPMG is based off the BAR which was designed in 1918 517158;1392838869;the20year2;People do that all over the world still :) 517159;1392838878;the20year2;I always hear about hand grenades being found locally of ww2 vintage 517160;1392838916;asciilifeform;russian folk rhyme: 'Дедушка в поле гранату нашел. Взял он ее, к сельсовету пошел. Дернул колечко, кинул в окно. Дедушка старый — ему все равно.' 517161;1392838945;asciilifeform;'grandfather found a grenade in the field. over to the town hall he went. pulled the pin, threw in window. grandpa is old, he doesn't care.' 517162;1392838951;the20year2;Nice 517163;1392838967;the20year2;i just hate seeing people find and turn in $30,000 guns for destruction 517164;1392839018;asciilifeform;idiots will turn in $30mil rembrandts if those are banned one day. 517165;1392839078;mike_c;BingoBoingo: is there a btc line-betting sportsbook that isn't a total scam? 517166;1392839115;BingoBoingo;mike_c: I've found bitbook.biz reliable, but who knows if they will continue to be reliable. 517167;1392839134;mike_c;thanks 517168;1392839331;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 250 @ 0.00085662 = 0.2142 BTC [+] 517169;1392839356;mike_c;bitbet needs moar links. where's that list of proposed/rejected bets? 517170;1392839406;mike_c;found it. http://bitbet.us/propositions/ 517171;1392839697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 900 @ 0.00086158 = 0.7754 BTC [+] 517172;1392839724;pankkake;is there a way to download the bitcoin-otc wot db? 517173;1392839746;mike_c;yes. 517174;1392839789;pankkake;can I have a more detailed answer? 517175;1392839879;mike_c;yeah, sry. in the arguments the other day mp said the wot can be backed up by anyone (similar to mpex db). that is my basis for "yes". idk how, but it should not be fruitless to keep looking for how. 517176;1392839896;pankkake;yes, that's exactly why I was looking into doing that :) 517177;1392839900;mike_c;hehe 517178;1392839931;Apocalyptic;you'll probably have to write a custom spider 517179;1392839954;benkay;hey nanotube where do you stuff the wot backups again? 517180;1392839974;pankkake;that's what I feared. well, I'll eventually write a lib to explore it anyway 517181;1392840044;benkay;nanotube keeps backups in public, i knew where they were at one point. that memory block has been gc'd for more useful things tho 517182;1392840099;jurov;benkay, you don't have virtual memory? 517183;1392840105;nanotube;http://bitcoin-otc.com/otc/ 517184;1392840108;nanotube;pankkake: ^ 517185;1392840108;jurov;with swap configured :D 517186;1392840124;pankkake;thanks! 517187;1392840130;ozbot;Index of /otc 517188;1392840156;nanotube;np hf. doing anyhting interesting with it? 517189;1392840215;Apocalyptic;will backup that too 517190;1392840353;pankkake;maybe to link users between services, but for now just backups 517191;1392840357;benkay;jurov: i do have virtual memory, but swap is extremely manual 517192;1392840369;Mats_cd03;the20year2: r u cute in a uniform 517193;1392840525;ThickAsThieves;"According to our own internal audit we have never had a 2FA account compromised. We offer a BTC10 reward to anyone that can repeatedly prove that he can hack an account which has 2FA enabled." ~Havelock Investments 517194;1392840551;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19028 @ 0.00086158 = 16.3941 BTC [+] {2} 517195;1392840552;benkay;goodness 10btc you say 517196;1392840570;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135035.msg5243435#msg5243435 517197;1392840582;benkay;virtual memory pointer to web of trust backups updated: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/02/19_bitcoin-otc-web-of-trust-backups.html 517198;1392840590;ozbot;Havelock Investments - Exchange feedback/comments 517199;1392840592;jurov;*benkay swaps out heavily ;) 517200;1392840643;benkay;*noise of giant blocks getting shuffled around inefficiently* 517201;1392840856;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.525 BTC [+] 517202;1392840886;ThickAsThieves;forum is advertising this http://makebtc.org/ 517203;1392840985;mike_c;un-squickily. what a word :) 517204;1392840999;diametric;ponzi schemes, ponzi schemes everywhere 517205;1392841155;benkay;mike_c: thanks 517206;1392841163;benkay;mike_c: throwaway pun of the day ;) 517207;1392841203;benkay;"GET YER BITCOIN PONZI SCHEMES UP AND RUNNIN BOYS WE GOT A NEW CROP OF SUCKERS IN TOWN" 517208;1392841226;mike_c;i do like this new breed though that is upfront about the ponzi-ness. 517209;1392841257;benkay;ya well no shame in it really 517210;1392841275;benkay;like the lotto or anything with expected -ev outcomes 517211;1392841277;mike_c;no shame if you are upfront about it. some shame if you say its not and it is. 517212;1392841280;benkay;the scam is in lying about the reality 517213;1392841284;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00086218 = 3.966 BTC [+] 517214;1392841284;mike_c;yeah 517215;1392841324;diametric;good ponzi schemes always pay off for early investors 517216;1392841344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00086345 = 9.6706 BTC [+] {2} 517217;1392841346;ThickAsThieves;someone make an IPO that invests for 1 profit period in every ponzi that appears PDF - Ponzi Destruction Fund 517218;1392841411;benkay;man that's a risky play 517219;1392841425;benkay;lots of human in the loop there 517220;1392841584;ThickAsThieves;might be an interesting study across all bitcoin securities, how much would have been made/lost if you bought into every bitcoin IPO and sold the day after it's first payout/dividend 517221;1392841596;ThickAsThieves;its* 517222;1392842056;KRS-One;isnt it safe to say they'd all be a loss 517223;1392842127;ThickAsThieves;not at all 517224;1392842157;CiPi;here you go girls www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iGIcN4UFEA 517225;1392842258;diametric;KRS-One: good ponzi's last a while, and actually have ROI for early investors 517226;1392842287;diametric;its how a ponzi needs to work. If the ponzi shuts down immediately after it opens, its not really a ponzi, its just an regular scam to steal your money. 517227;1392842308;ThickAsThieves;http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billSearchClient.xhtml 517228;1392842316;ThickAsThieves;search for AB-129 517229;1392842323;ThickAsThieves;to see details of the bill and votes 517230;1392842323;ozbot;Bill Search 517231;1392842415;ThickAsThieves;"A person shall not issue or put in circulation, as money, anything but the lawful money of the United States. Nothing in this section shall prohibit the issuance and use of alternative currency that is redeemable for lawful money of the United States or that has value based on the value of lawful money of the United States but a person shall not be required to accept alternative 517232;1392842415;ThickAsThieves;currency. " 517233;1392843031;dexX7;and that's from 2013? weren't there news recently that alt currencies are illegal and this shall change in the future? 517234;1392843043;diametric;the last part is probably the most relevant 517235;1392843105;ThickAsThieves;well it was created jan 2013 517236;1392843111;diametric;Theres also a subtle distinction. So long as goods and services sold for bitcoin, calculate their cost in bitcoin based on USD, all is fine. 517237;1392843116;ThickAsThieves;theyve been editing it i think 517238;1392843136;diametric;But if I decouple the USD value from bitcoin, and begin using it based on my own interpretations (or the community at large) then I'd be in violation I guess. 517239;1392843159;ThickAsThieves;how can one prove decoupling (or even care) 517240;1392843183;ThickAsThieves;like i do escrows for .2btc 517241;1392843213;ThickAsThieves;aside from legalities revolvong around escrow 517242;1392843221;ThickAsThieves;what if i dont list USD 517243;1392843227;ThickAsThieves;or adjust with fluctuation 517244;1392843274;dexX7;you read it as something like "you are fine with accepting btc as long as you also accept usd"? 517245;1392843300;davout;you guys seem to be confusing redeemable, and exchangeable 517246;1392843337;diametric;no 517247;1392843381;diametric;ThickAsThieves: individually its hard to prove that kind of decoupling. 517248;1392843393;diametric;but in a community at large, would be easier. 517249;1392843398;davout;"shall prohibit the issuance and use of alternative currency that is redeemable for lawful money" 517250;1392843413;diametric;you forgot the word not 517251;1392843414;ThickAsThieves;of course i do adjust my rates, but not often enough to be remotely "coupled" 517252;1392843438;diametric;davout: It says you can exchange bitcoin for money, and you can exchange goods and services for bitcoin so long as that bitcoin value is based in USD. 517253;1392843464;ThickAsThieves;seems odd 517254;1392843466;diametric;ie I want to sell you a $500 phone for BTC. I figure out how much BTC is worth about $500, thats fine. If I decide based on other factors then I wouldn't be. 517255;1392843474;diametric;ThickAsThieves: Its like a sleeper 517256;1392843498;ThickAsThieves;what if i offer 5% discount to bitcoin buyers? 517257;1392843502;diametric;its something that realistically won't come into play until Bitcoin becomes large enough that very large communities (in the US) begin transacting solely in bitcoin 517258;1392843519;davout;diametric: where does it say that ? 517259;1392843525;ThickAsThieves;what if i charge a service fee to accept bitcoin? 517260;1392843540;ThickAsThieves;or if i use a rate convenient to me 517261;1392843558;diametric;davout: "Nothing in this section shall prohibit the issuance and use of alternative currency that is redeemable for lawful money of the United States or *that has value based on* the value of lawful money of the United States but a person shall not be required to accept alternative currency." 517262;1392843567;diametric;davout: the "value based on" part. 517263;1392843585;diametric;The very first line prohibits an entirely alternative currency from existing, period. 517264;1392843592;diametric;The second allows it so long as its coupled to USD 517265;1392843609;ThickAsThieves;you could also read that as "it's legal until the fed says it isnt" 517266;1392843618;diametric;ThickAsThieves: you can read everything like that 517267;1392843628;ThickAsThieves;any state law at least 517268;1392843639;diametric;really any law at this point 517269;1392843652;ThickAsThieves;yeah but saying so makes you an asshole 517270;1392843661;davout;diametric: i read it as "issuing alternative currency based on the usd isn't forbidden" 517271;1392843664;diametric;of course, they have to maintain the theater 517272;1392843671;diametric;davout: thats exactly what i said. 517273;1392843694;ThickAsThieves;it says a lot more than that 517274;1392843694;davout;diametric: which does't imply that alternative currency based on the usd is forbidden 517275;1392843699;diametric;davout: If the alternative currency is based on the USD its okay. So you can buy/sell with bitcoin so long as the value you give to bitcoin is coupled to USD you're fine. 517276;1392843726;ThickAsThieves;i wonder if we're all interpreting it wrong, 517277;1392843730;davout;diametric: i didn't see any part where it said it *had* to be, it says it isn't forbidden 517278;1392843731;asciilifeform;the correct engineering philosophy here is to treat law the way satellite designers treat cosmic rays. 517279;1392843735;ThickAsThieves;and it's legalizing state-issued crypto 517280;1392843742;pankkake;you're probably all wrong 517281;1392843743;ThickAsThieves;to represent dollars 517282;1392843750;diametric;davout: lets break this down. 517283;1392843755;diametric;"A person shall not issue or put in circulation, as money, anything but the lawful money of the United States." first sentence. 517284;1392843760;davout;diametric: it doesn't say it's the *only* allowed form of alt currency 517285;1392843760;diametric;Bans alternative currency. 517286;1392843770;davout;nope 517287;1392843802;ThickAsThieves;note: they specifically edited it to say "person" instead of "corporation, flexible purpose corporation, association, or individual" 517288;1392843806;diametric;No it does, the first sentence clearly states if you put into circulation as money anything but USD, you're in violation. 517289;1392843813;diametric;Then the second sentence begins making exceptions. 517290;1392843814;CiPi;diametric; what r u doing here man? :) 517291;1392843825;davout;i'm putting it in circulation as valueless tokens 517292;1392843834;diametric;CiPi: ...do I know you? 517293;1392843844;davout;it *might* be used to outlaw mining, but nothing else 517294;1392843855;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135035.msg5244429#msg5244429 lol 517295;1392843878;ozbot;Havelock Investments - Exchange feedback/comments 517296;1392843910;diametric;davout: I'm missing how you think the first sentence doesn't ban using something as money other than USD. 517297;1392843925;davout;what if i told you bitcoin was a commodity 517298;1392843926;asciilifeform;let them outlaw farting, as well. 517299;1392843935;ThickAsThieves;it is a commodity 517300;1392843961;diametric;CiPi: I'm at a loss 517301;1392843962;ThickAsThieves;it's also a currency and a platform 517302;1392843963;davout;case dismissed, a money requires an issuer, a central bank if you will 517303;1392843963;ThickAsThieves;etc 517304;1392843973;davout;it's used as a currency 517305;1392843984;davout;but it has the properties of a commodity 517306;1392843988;diametric;davout: I see what you mean 517307;1392843994;ThickAsThieves;like bottles of detergent for drugs 517308;1392843997;davout;diametric: good 517309;1392844002;diametric;davout: but the second sentence outlaws anyone using bitcoin if its not tied to USD. 517310;1392844006;davout;nope 517311;1392844021;davout;since the first sentence didn't outlaw bitcoin, the second sentence is just making exceptions 517312;1392844036;davout;it can't follow that the second sentence prohibits bitcoin 517313;1392844041;diametric;the first sentence outlawed the putting of bitcoin into circulation. 517314;1392844046;davout;or free barter of a commodity 517315;1392844047;diametric;the second says how it can be used 517316;1392844049;CiPi;diametric; i think you loose the train man. :) 517317;1392844061;diametric;;;ident cipi 517318;1392844061;gribble;Nick 'cipi', with hostmask 'CiPi!~cip@unaffiliated/cipi', is not identified. 517319;1392844070;davout;no it didn't, like i said, bitcoin is a commodity 517320;1392844095;davout;the point is that this whole thing is irrelevant to bitcoin 517321;1392844111;davout;as much as in theory than in practice 517322;1392844112;diametric;davout: give me an example it is relevant to then 517323;1392844120;davout;diametric: what? 517324;1392844123;diametric;I'm curious what its relevant too if not bitcoin, or diametric-tokens. 517325;1392844136;diametric;What currency would meet the legal criteria of this legislation 517326;1392844151;davout;diametric: i have no idea, does it have to be relevant to something? 517327;1392844168;davout;diametric: it's relevant to the liberty reserve usd for example i'd say 517328;1392844172;diametric;davout: It doesn't, but those that enforce it will find something it is relevant too, and you're kidding yourself if you think bitcoin wouldn't be it. 517329;1392844211;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00298868 = 0.5977 BTC [+] {6} 517330;1392844214;diametric;Whats the legal definition of a commodity anyway? 517331;1392844216;davout;saying that law enforcement will fuck you regardless of what the law says is orthogonal to the thing being debated 517332;1392844227;diametric;I thought it had to have an inherent use 517333;1392844235;ThickAsThieves;yknow they do explain the bill in the PDS 517334;1392844239;ThickAsThieves;PDFs 517335;1392844248;ThickAsThieves;"This bill makes clarifying changes to current law to ensure that various forms of alternative currency such as digital currency, points, coupons, or other objects of monetary value do not violate the law when those methods are used for the purchase of goods and services or the 517336;1392844249;ThickAsThieves;transmission of payments." 517337;1392844276;davout;diametric: distributed timestamping is what blockchain is about, voting, you name it 517338;1392844279;ThickAsThieves;check the Bill Analysis tab 517339;1392844283;ThickAsThieves;for the rest 517340;1392844296;asciilifeform;contemplating design of btc-related anything while assuming sympathetic (or even grudgingly-cooperative) bureaucrats is like designing tanks and assuming a cooperative enemy. 517341;1392844317;diametric;davout: alright I'll concede then it may not apply 517342;1392844333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00086219 = 5.3887 BTC [-] 517343;1392844371;davout;diametric: the whole point is that no matter the way you put it, banning bitcoin and pretending to be a democracy are mutually exclusive 517344;1392844410;ThickAsThieves;for some reason the Coinye story is in that pdf too 517345;1392844411;ThickAsThieves;lol 517346;1392844413;diametric;davout: I'm not disagreeing with that 517347;1392844432;ThickAsThieves;there's even a joke 517348;1392844445;ThickAsThieves;"Facing legal action, creators of COINY have ended the project and COINYE is now Lost in the World, but may have been nothing more than a Dark Fantasy." 517349;1392844662;the20year2;Which bill? The NY one? 517350;1392844709;ThickAsThieves;cali 517351;1392844723;ThickAsThieves;http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billSearchClient.xhtml 517352;1392844728;ozbot;Bill Search 517353;1392844731;ThickAsThieves;then search for AB-129 517354;1392844779;Bugpowder;http://winkdex.com/#/formula 517355;1392844795;Bugpowder;Time to update the MPOEbot settlement price index? 517356;1392844818;ThickAsThieves;winkdex?! 517357;1392844819;ThickAsThieves;lol 517358;1392844821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00086219 = 3.1901 BTC [-] 517359;1392844821;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07 = 0.98 BTC [+] 517360;1392844859;the20year2;So what's your synopsis TAT? 517361;1392844860;ThickAsThieves;Winkdex is calculated by blending the trading prices in U.S. dollars for the top three (by volume) qualified Bitcoin Exchanges* 517362;1392844867;ThickAsThieves;* As of February 7, 2014, Mt.Gox placed a "pause on all [BTC] withdrawal requests” in addition to a continued "back-log of [USD] withdrawals”. As a result, it is no longer a qualified exchange for the Winkdex calculation. 517363;1392844881;Bugpowder;http://winkdex.com/ 517364;1392844882;ThickAsThieves;i dont need to make a synopsis, they already did 517365;1392844894;ThickAsThieves;it's in the Bill Analysis tab 517366;1392844913;the20year2;'qualified' 517367;1392844917;pankkake;wankdex 517368;1392844926;davout;ThickAsThieves: i see two PDFs 517369;1392844938;davout;the one i'm reading mentions dogecoin 517370;1392844948;pankkake;by the way, I'd use other currencies converted to USD, too. otherwise, you're ignoring perfectly working exchanges 517371;1392844958;dexX7;nice chart 517372;1392844992;ThickAsThieves;one pdf is just a newer version of the other i think 517373;1392845004;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.07252099 = 0.7252 BTC [-] {5} 517374;1392845045;the20year2;localbtc price is pretty nice 517375;1392845069;ThickAsThieves;why not call it Windex? 517376;1392845072;ThickAsThieves;:) 517377;1392845078;FabianB_;Bugpowder: looks like it's missing a 24h avg 517378;1392845093;ThickAsThieves;The Industrial Strength Index 517379;1392845118;Bugpowder;FabianB_: tru 517380;1392845131;ThickAsThieves;http://media.qcsupply.com/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/3/4/340228_1.jpg 517381;1392845137;Bugpowder;TSLA 517382;1392845141;Bugpowder;oh my 517383;1392845147;dexX7;lol 517384;1392845151;ThickAsThieves;did they announce already? 517385;1392845153;Bugpowder;shorts penetrated again. 517386;1392845161;ThickAsThieves;nice 517387;1392845168;ThickAsThieves;i sold already tho :( 517388;1392845171;FabianB_;same problem as with the coindesk index 517389;1392845174;Bugpowder;I still need to get my bitcar 517390;1392845192;Bugpowder;I need to pickup the license plate from CA DMV... 517391;1392845214;ThickAsThieves;wait did tesla even announce earnings yet? 517392;1392845234;Bugpowder;up $30 AH... so?? 517393;1392845252;the20year2;oh wow, i din't realize tesla was at $200 517394;1392845256;the20year2;good thing I bought at $135 517395;1392845309;ThickAsThieves;i played the waves for a bit, but ended up with cash 517396;1392845318;ThickAsThieves;made a few thousand 517397;1392845343;ThickAsThieves;was hoping to get caught long 517398;1392845448;FabianB_;Bugpowder: oh and: "Subscription to the API for Winkdex will be available soon." 517399;1392845494;ThickAsThieves;or Viindex, thatd be better 517400;1392845547;TomServo;lol they couldn't be bothered to have unique 'about us' descriptions? 517401;1392845564;ThickAsThieves;theyd have to be unique! 517402;1392845579;ThickAsThieves;i wonder if they only screw twins 517403;1392845604;ThickAsThieves;hanging out at Doublemint HQ to pick up chicks 517404;1392845615;TomServo;ha 517405;1392845687;ThickAsThieves;http://www.yenra.com/marketing/twins.jpg 517406;1392845756;Bugpowder;TSLA 517407;1392845756;Bugpowder;http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ABEA-4CW8X0/2967652535x0x727013/9885dd26-2e82-4052-b171-3685fd8150b3/Q4%2713%20Shareholder%20Letter.pdf 517408;1392845764;TomServo;"You know, when I see those two twins on that Doublemint commercial? I'm not thinking of gum." 517409;1392845859;kakobrekla;is it a gun? 517410;1392845875;dexX7;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iGIcN4UFEA 517411;1392845879;ThickAsThieves;i invited the cryptocointalk.com guy to IRC but he says he's swamped with working on the forum 517412;1392845879;ozbot;Still Report #190 Calif Assembly Passes Cryptos Unanimously - YouTube 517413;1392845886;dexX7;didn't watch it yet 517414;1392845888;ThickAsThieves;says he'll check out the WoT 517415;1392845927;kakobrekla;ThickAsThieves who is dat guy 517416;1392845931;ThickAsThieves;tryin to john galt everyone into b-a 517417;1392845950;ThickAsThieves;jimmyk, seems to be putting the work in 517418;1392846041;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00495 = 0.2475 BTC [-] 517419;1392846898;kakobrekla;http://apina.biz/117821.jpg 517420;1392847008;deadweasel;that's a fine cork. 517421;1392847011;r3wt;;;bcauth r3wt 517422;1392847011;gribble;Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.216.44.61. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:43ad94451c81549176cd11b6b741f22d8795f925a6f42e150382b652 517423;1392847017;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.10031999 = 1.0032 BTC [+] {6} 517424;1392847078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00086081 = 18.1631 BTC [-] {3} 517425;1392847749;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 517426;1392847776;the20year2;We just posted a contract update on havelock 517427;1392847799;kakobrekla;oh changed the contract !? 517428;1392847807;kakobrekla;thats neat. 517429;1392847810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00086236 = 4.9155 BTC [+] {2} 517430;1392847811;kakobrekla;mp can we do that too? 517431;1392847844;kakobrekla;i wanna take some things out 517432;1392847855;benkay;wat ams even contract 517433;1392847863;benkay;hey the20year2 what changes did you make? 517434;1392847876;kakobrekla;basically just grep for any utf8 char and replace it with space 517435;1392847880;kakobrekla;that will do 517436;1392847891;benkay;"we agree to!" 517437;1392847905;benkay;sold. 517438;1392847918;r3wt;anyone wanna buy some bitcoin-scrypt? 517439;1392847930;kakobrekla;what is a bitcoin-scrypt 517440;1392847962;r3wt;just bitcoin with the scrypt algorithm, you never heard of it? 517441;1392847985;jurov;https://twitter.com/cavirtex/status/436165824672317440 cavirtex does 517442;1392847985;ozbot;Twitter / cavirtex: Our site will be going down ... 517443;1392847993;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0631 = 0.1262 BTC [+] 517444;1392847994;kakobrekla;is bitcoin-scrypt compatible with my IP address? 517445;1392848020;jurov;no it's only compatible with ipv4 and ipv6 517446;1392848033;kakobrekla;hmm 517447;1392848050;kakobrekla;anyone here selling those too? 517448;1392848051;the20year2;benkay: we're bidding on 3 different properties 517449;1392848087;the20year2;kakobrekla: it was a update on bidding on 3 different properties that we're looking at/conisdering with the IPO cash 517450;1392848099;r3wt;i'll throw in a dusty crackrock. its kinda old and stale but it'll getcha hi 517451;1392848137;kakobrekla;is that rock compatible with my ip address? 517452;1392848158;*;jurov offers r3wt bitcoin-rot13 for it 517453;1392848175;*;r3wt decliens 517454;1392848212;kakobrekla;every fool would decline that, bitcoin-rot13 is worth only as much as bitcoin-plaintext 517455;1392848248;jurov;as opposed to duty hairy crackrocks 517456;1392848252;jurov;*dusty 517457;1392848271;kakobrekla;but those getcha hi. 517458;1392848349;r3wt;true 517459;1392848357;r3wt;they do getcha hi 517460;1392848373;Apocalyptic;wtf is this 517461;1392848390;r3wt;i don't know i derailed the thread again. time for me to shut up now 517462;1392848439;kakobrekla;choo choo *BAM* in a rock of crack. 517463;1392848481;jurov;ok back to business: davout, why b-c isn't listed on btcmarkets nor bitcoinity? 517464;1392848483;r3wt;Someone i knew once blew their brains out yesterday. One of those people you'd never think would blow their brains out 517465;1392848503;kakobrekla;davout why b-c isnt listed on btcrt 517466;1392848513;kakobrekla;or rtbtc 517467;1392848542;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 25 @ 0.06959971 = 1.74 BTC [+] {8} 517468;1392848794;r3wt;WTS: 32 LTC make offer 517469;1392848815;ThickAsThieves;rot, this aint the place 517470;1392848830;r3wt;who is rot? 517471;1392848955;kakobrekla;where is that herbi now 517472;1392848975;BingoBoingo;Probably hanging out with kangaroos 517473;1392849053;kakobrekla;http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg5246037#msg5246037 517474;1392849055;ozbot;Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock] 517475;1392849059;kakobrekla;PR solves all problems 517476;1392849065;kakobrekla;especially with missing monies. 517477;1392849336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00086115 = 3.6168 BTC [-] 517478;1392849349;jurov;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=464274.0 nopenopenope 517479;1392849351;ozbot;[ANN] PWNYCOIN [PWNY] 517480;1392849379;pankkake;I mined it, but it didn't make me rich despite the instamine feature 517481;1392849396;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2608 @ 0.00018108 = 0.4723 BTC [+] {9} 517482;1392849428;pankkake;they botched the pony theme, too… not cute, not enough ponies 517483;1392849486;pankkake;and rainbow dash is worst pony 517484;1392849539;Diablo-D3;... 517485;1392849540;Diablo-D3;dude 517486;1392849543;Diablo-D3;they're ALL worst pony 517487;1392849546;Diablo-D3;they're ponies 517488;1392849553;pankkake;:( 517489;1392849563;Diablo-D3;and besides, if we're playing that game 517490;1392849572;Diablo-D3;its clearly pinkie pie 517491;1392849596;*;pankkake ignores Diablo-D3 517492;1392849609;kakobrekla;so luke dash jr is a pony too? 517493;1392849611;Diablo-D3;fourth wall breaking gypsy arsonist murderer that is also the second companion to the doctor. 517494;1392849640;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.06999995 = 0.35 BTC [+] {2} 517495;1392849817;deadweasel;jurov, you launched a coin? 517496;1392849842;pankkake;related: http://www.shadowplayers.com/main%20upload/molly2_157.jpg 517497;1392849873;Mats_cd03;This Cognitive guy is just starting college? lolol 517498;1392849908;jurov;deadweasel: no, why? 517499;1392849999;deadweasel;pwnycoin not you? 517500;1392850006;deadweasel;;) 517501;1392850311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00086399 = 10.4543 BTC [+] {2} 517502;1392850495;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 122 @ 0.00299996 = 0.366 BTC [+] {5} 517503;1392850555;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.07229998 = 2.169 BTC [+] {4} 517504;1392850616;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.07299999 = 0.584 BTC [+] {3} 517505;1392850860;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53499998 BTC [+] 517506;1392850880;ThickAsThieves;dafuck http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/19/5427332/facebook-is-buying-whatsapp 517507;1392850884;ThickAsThieves;$16b! 517508;1392850921;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.534 BTC [-] 517509;1392851041;diametric;see they were smart 517510;1392851044;diametric;unlike groupon 517511;1392851105;ThickAsThieves;such signs if getting old, ive never heard of whatsapp before 517512;1392851109;ThickAsThieves;of* 517513;1392851184;jurov;it's funny i have met people that were using some IM app I never heard of, cuz everyone they know is using it 517514;1392851194;jurov;even yahoo messenger 517515;1392851231;diametric;i'm still rocking aol instant messenger 517516;1392851238;diametric;same account since like, 97 i think 517517;1392851242;ThickAsThieves;i did for a long while 517518;1392851246;ThickAsThieves;then google talk 517519;1392851256;ThickAsThieves;now everyone wants to use skype 517520;1392851268;ThickAsThieves;i just use whatever i have to i guess 517521;1392851270;diametric;ugh no 517522;1392851290;diametric;i prefer something that works with pidgin/adium so I can use OTR 517523;1392851326;ThickAsThieves;never tried using otr for chats 517524;1392851366;diametric;I use it pretty much all the time. Most of the people I talk to have an otr capable client so it just automatically initiates a session 517525;1392851451;ThickAsThieves;now it says $19b 517526;1392851453;ThickAsThieves;heh 517527;1392851460;jurov;haha. for one i know of no one using otr outside irc 517528;1392851466;ThickAsThieves;oh $3b in stock 517529;1392851836;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.10099999 = 0.202 BTC [+] {2} 517530;1392853150;pankkake;skype is the evil of evils. proprietary encrypted protocol, so you're forced to use their crappy software 517531;1392853174;ThickAsThieves;IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT 517532;1392853174;ThickAsThieves;On March 1, 2014, TAT Investments will transfer control of the AM1, AM100, and [b]SMG [/b]listings at HavelockInvestments.com to the direct control of Havelock Investments. 517533;1392853174;ThickAsThieves;None of these funds are closing at this time. A new e-mail address for AM1 transfer requests will be provided at the end of this month. 517534;1392853174;ThickAsThieves;None of the fund terms are changing other than to replace TAT Investments. 517535;1392853174;ThickAsThieves;All underlying assets that represent these passthrough shares will also be transferred to Havelock. The direct shares will be held at 1J5fvfUrDcZj8rrpVHMgn8u7sXee84QkPd. 517536;1392853175;ThickAsThieves;This also means that ThickAsThieves will no longer hold a board seat with ASICMINER, and a representative from Havelock will instead. 517537;1392853175;ThickAsThieves;NEOBEE is not changing operators. 517538;1392853178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00086132 = 2.3686 BTC [-] {2} 517539;1392853190;ThickAsThieves;sry i hit enter before cleaning that up 517540;1392853313;Chris_Sabian;why the change? 517541;1392853348;pankkake;:( 517542;1392853361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00086403 = 2.8513 BTC [+] 517543;1392853393;dexX7;are they buying you out? 517544;1392853404;ThickAsThieves;that's really a very long answer or very short one 517545;1392853414;ThickAsThieves;the short one is, i don't want to manage them anymore 517546;1392853419;dexX7;ah 517547;1392853531;ThickAsThieves;the reasons why are multiple, some fairly obvious, some not 517548;1392853577;ThickAsThieves;i'll keep it positive though and note i'm focusing on other projects instead 517549;1392853702;pankkake;I guess I was right saying Altcoin is the next AsicMiner 517550;1392853729;ThickAsThieves;haha 517551;1392853788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.0008644 = 3.933 BTC [+] {2} 517552;1392853889;kakobrekla;even shorter is answer: theres no more money innit 517553;1392853910;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 517554;1392853925;kakobrekla;amirite? 517555;1392853963;ThickAsThieves;there's certainly LESS money in it 517556;1392853968;ThickAsThieves;but still money to be made 517557;1392853973;kakobrekla;less enough! 517558;1392853977;ThickAsThieves;indeed 517559;1392853987;kakobrekla;to be bothered. 517560;1392854022;kakobrekla;the pot is dry 517561;1392854029;kakobrekla;pass it quickly to someone else 517562;1392854031;kakobrekla;before they notice. 517563;1392854038;kakobrekla;havelock saves. 517564;1392854047;ThickAsThieves;worth more to them 517565;1392854078;ThickAsThieves;good thing Deprived wasnt around to pass it to! 517566;1392854256;kakobrekla;[Zapp Brannigan has just piloted the Titanic straight into the path of a black hole] 517567;1392854256;kakobrekla;Captain Zapp Brannigan: Don't blame yourself, Kif. We were doomed from the start. I guess all that remains now is for the captain to go down with the ship. 517568;1392854256;kakobrekla;Lt. Kif Kroker: That's surprisingly noble of you, sir. 517569;1392854256;kakobrekla;Captain Zapp Brannigan: No, it's noble of you, Kif. As of now, you're in command. Congratulations, Captain. 517570;1392854256;kakobrekla;[Zapp runs off] 517571;1392854289;ThickAsThieves;lol 517572;1392854290;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: 'in the game of chess, you must never let the enemy see your pieces!' (from same.) 517573;1392854305;kakobrekla;hehe 517574;1392854367;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ydz04/i_was_just_threatened_for_exposing_a_scam_on/ 517575;1392854367;ozbot;I was just threatened for exposing a scam on r/bitcoin : Bitcoin 517576;1392854380;ThickAsThieves;seansoutpost gets warnt 517577;1392854459;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.51251667 = 3.0751 BTC [-] {4} 517578;1392854474;pankkake;"Scammers used to be gentleman and just disappear from existence" oh really? 517579;1392854495;ThickAsThieves;and then make new existence 517580;1392854501;ThickAsThieves;over and over 517581;1392854508;ThickAsThieves;sometimes more than one at a time 517582;1392854522;ThickAsThieves;cryptostocks is cranking them out lately 517583;1392854530;pankkake;scammers are cocky and get mad when you expose them 517584;1392854532;ThickAsThieves;S.EXISTENCE 517585;1392854539;pankkake;S.EX 517586;1392854555;pankkake;S.EXIST 517587;1392854572;ThickAsThieves;S.EXCORCIST 517588;1392854581;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.51200001 = 4.608 BTC [-] 517589;1392854594;asciilifeform;'SEX EXISTS' (graffiti on an abandoned warehouse in wash. d.c. area.) 517590;1392854597;ThickAsThieves;AM1 crashing on the news! 517591;1392854599;ThickAsThieves;hehe 517592;1392854645;pankkake;well the thing is… if Havelock falls, the operator is havelock 517593;1392854744;ThickAsThieves;flipside, one less counterparty to worry about 517594;1392854764;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.512 = 2.56 BTC [-] 517595;1392854769;ThickAsThieves;nah, even i dont buy that 517596;1392854810;ThickAsThieves;the risk of Havelock affects all on Havelock always 517597;1392854822;ThickAsThieves;can't remove that really 517598;1392854825;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.512 = 10.24 BTC [-] 517599;1392854886;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.51115 = 5.1115 BTC [-] {4} 517600;1392854992;Namworld;Don't issuers have list of holders? 517601;1392855152;ThickAsThieves;on Havelock, yes 517602;1392855171;ThickAsThieves;i can access it live anytime and get autobackups twice each day 517603;1392855192;Namworld;Sounds good. 517604;1392855204;ThickAsThieves;not sure what youre getting at though 517605;1392855306;pankkake;it means havelock was kinda irrelevant as a counterparty 517606;1392855313;pankkake;we trusted you! 517607;1392855346;ThickAsThieves;Havelock is far from irrelavant though 517608;1392855393;ThickAsThieves;even a shareholder list cant prevent many things 517609;1392855437;ThickAsThieves;but no i agree that it's better to have the middleman 517610;1392855487;ThickAsThieves;assuming there's trust to be gained 517611;1392855520;ThickAsThieves;now, i believe Havelock and Panama Fund might be separate things 517612;1392855543;ThickAsThieves;Havelock, the investment bank 517613;1392855551;ThickAsThieves;or whichever category they claim 517614;1392855679;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.511 = 1.022 BTC [-] 517615;1392855740;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 137 @ 0.00299998 = 0.411 BTC [+] {3} 517616;1392856167;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00492307 = 0.2117 BTC [-] {5} 517617;1392856228;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.50701 = 6.0841 BTC [-] {2} 517618;1392856533;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00491707 = 0.9834 BTC [-] {5} 517619;1392856594;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.50560167 = 3.0336 BTC [-] {4} 517620;1392856777;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.0680575 = 0.2722 BTC [-] {4} 517621;1392856838;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 33 @ 0.05672483 = 1.8719 BTC [-] {9} 517622;1392857021;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50510002 = 1.0102 BTC [-] 517623;1392857082;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.50510001 = 5.051 BTC [-] {2} 517624;1392857430;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: on another note: "Pussy Riot members attacked with whips by Cossack militia in Sochi" << bwahaha 517625;1392857457;mircea_popescu;mod6 yup :D 517626;1392857528;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves this "theme of the century" bs is greatly loved by libertards, because it pretty much works like global warming. 517627;1392857557;mircea_popescu;there's very little data, and the data that is unwarrantly overrepresents what they like (ie, their own eco chambers) and fails to represent or misrepresents what actually happened. 517628;1392857639;mircea_popescu;o look, the "i didn't know i was on private" bs made it to here. 517629;1392857670;mircea_popescu;about five years ago an affiliate manager came up with the brilliant idea of doing two email blasts instead of one, because the first "had some mistakes" that "were corrected" 517630;1392857692;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00482502 = 0.1206 BTC [-] 517631;1392857712;mircea_popescu;it became fashionable because affiliate marketing is a very fashion driven industry, occupation, and so for about a year no email blast could ever be sent by anyone that was "correct". 517632;1392857800;ThickAsThieves;i never met an affiliate marketer i liked 517633;1392857827;ThickAsThieves;both web and irl types 517634;1392857848;ThickAsThieves;cue mp "That's how I got rich!" 517635;1392857874;mircea_popescu;nah not rly. 517636;1392857880;mircea_popescu;i did meet some i liked, 517637;1392857886;mircea_popescu;but what do you know, they were all women. 517638;1392857909;mircea_popescu;generally the affiliate marketing guy is a combo of sleazy car salesman and otaku fatso. 517639;1392857997;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 11.00391760 BTC to 18`616 shares, 59110 satoshi per share 517640;1392858010;mircea_popescu;cads: I think they want to see what a $1000 3d printer can do << by paying 700 for an itam ? wouldn't it be easier to just add 300 and check the printer at home ? 517641;1392858041;ThickAsThieves;surely not easier 517642;1392858078;ThickAsThieves;it's the easy that theyre paying for 517643;1392858085;mircea_popescu;i never paid 700k for a consome just to see waht a 1mn restaurant can do, i'll tell you that :D 517644;1392858098;ThickAsThieves;lol 517645;1392858106;ThickAsThieves;very fair comparison 517646;1392858109;mircea_popescu;totally. 517647;1392858110;ThickAsThieves;i stand erected 517648;1392858114;mircea_popescu;haha 517649;1392858130;cads;I mean, these guys currently... fly a guy overseas to look at a part. 517650;1392858145;mircea_popescu;cads i get it, i get it, burning through all that vc money is a fucking tough job. 517651;1392858172;mircea_popescu;hey cads, you had a blog did you ? 517652;1392858249;cads;nope, I was playing with one for some of my math stuff but I never published anything worth reading 517653;1392858258;cads;I keep wanting to get back to blogging 517654;1392858301;mircea_popescu;so then, here's your big thing : make a post introducing social justice as if it were set theory. 517655;1392858311;ThickAsThieves;WhatsApp had one investor, at $8m in 2011 517656;1392858326;cads;hehe, I do love moral calculus. 517657;1392858330;ThickAsThieves;coke and whores for the whole team! 517658;1392858332;mircea_popescu;i'll argue the shit out of you, if nothing else then so anon retards have a model of how it works. 517659;1392858348;mircea_popescu;and maybe, who knows, understand actual generosity, 517660;1392858355;mircea_popescu;as opposed to their contemptible slimy thing. 517661;1392858393;mircea_popescu;the20year2: In a life or death situation i'm sure they don't care too much << did this guy just argue with a bunch of people about using the rifle as a club ? 517662;1392858401;ThickAsThieves;uh oh ""In terms of value creation, this is the biggest on record," re: WhatsApp 517663;1392858410;ThickAsThieves;what about teh buttcoinz? 517664;1392858416;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves see ? all the forum signs of greatness. 517665;1392858435;mircea_popescu;it's too easy for us. we are incredibly fucking powerful, just for having been here and seen it first hand. 517666;1392858463;benkay;;;market 517667;1392858464;gribble;Error: "market" is not a valid command. 517668;1392858465;benkay;;;ticker 517669;1392858467;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 627.85, Best ask: 628.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.62000, Last trade: 627.85, 24 hour volume: 10920.95006922, 24 hour low: 617.0, 24 hour high: 636.0, 24 hour vwap: 626.88346818 517670;1392858467;ThickAsThieves;how on gods bloody earth is a chat app worth $19b 517671;1392858490;ThickAsThieves;especially one i never heard of 517672;1392858495;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves in exactly the same way it's a good idea for businesses to ask for "affordable housing" instead of tax rebates. 517673;1392858508;mircea_popescu;you have to have a special worm in your head, like tequilla. 517674;1392858563;ThickAsThieves;that's 19 Instagrams 517675;1392858570;ThickAsThieves;well maybe not anymore 517676;1392858574;moiety;mew all, how goes? 517677;1392858580;ThickAsThieves;probly lik 87 Instagrams now 517678;1392858585;mircea_popescu;pew moiety. just fine. 517679;1392858592;cads;ThickAsThieves: so.. whatapp? 517680;1392858597;mircea_popescu;which one is instagram ? 517681;1392858606;mircea_popescu;tumblr is different right ? 517682;1392858606;ThickAsThieves;the photo filters 517683;1392858609;moiety;look at my feet through a weird filter = instagram 517684;1392858615;mircea_popescu;aok 517685;1392858616;Apocalyptic;^ 517686;1392858625;mircea_popescu;definitelly worth 19 billion DOLLARS. 517687;1392858630;cads;mircea_popescu: instragram is photography for hipsters and hiphop kids 517688;1392858635;mircea_popescu;not likely worth five bitcoin, but 19 bn dollars...well... 517689;1392858643;ThickAsThieves;they basically put photobooths in an app and called it a day 517690;1392858644;moiety;tumblr = heres pics of everything in a back-to-front blog setup 517691;1392858657;cads;tumblr is miniblogging 517692;1392858666;mircea_popescu;i think that's where ozbot gets all those bad pictures of naked teenagers. 517693;1392858673;moiety;lol! 517694;1392858679;ThickAsThieves;.bait 517695;1392858681;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m21aqoo0k41r3drngo1_500.jpg 517696;1392858683;mircea_popescu;cads so do we got a deal or are you too loath to commit ? 517697;1392858684;ThickAsThieves;:) 517698;1392858700;mircea_popescu;lmao the prostitution rests. 517699;1392858719;ThickAsThieves;perfect compliment to my erected joke! if only we planned 517700;1392858734;mircea_popescu;pankkake you shall have a more detailed answer in a second. 517701;1392858742;mircea_popescu;o nm you already had it 517702;1392858769;cads;mircea_popescu: I'm not sure where I'd start to be honest 517703;1392858774;moiety;lolol talking of prostitution 517704;1392858775;mircea_popescu;you too ? 517705;1392858787;mircea_popescu;dude what's with you people, seriously. you believe in this, right ? 517706;1392858794;mircea_popescu;it's no shame, people believe all sorts of weird shit. 517707;1392858803;cads;I do want to do a mathematical treatise of some austrian school economics 517708;1392858804;mircea_popescu;but how can you go through your day not understanding what you believe in ? 517709;1392858818;mircea_popescu;i mean even the flat earth folks can EXPLAIN it to you if you ask. 517710;1392858857;ThickAsThieves;the earth is flat, it just appears spherical 517711;1392858864;moiety;lol this girl tries upmarket selling herself on a forum basically. you should see who replied http://www.hellou.com/2014/02/apparently-young-woman-posted-following-forum-title-marry-rich-guy-2049/ 517712;1392858867;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves do you know who was the biggest believer ? 517713;1392858875;ThickAsThieves;napolean? 517714;1392858881;ThickAsThieves;i dunno 517715;1392858883;mircea_popescu;o no. almost contemporary. 517716;1392858893;mircea_popescu;the kruger guy for whom the krugerrand is named. 517717;1392858898;mircea_popescu;staunch. 517718;1392858920;wao-ender;very loyal and commited 517719;1392858921;wao-ender;instersting 517720;1392858931;benkay;o/ moiety 517721;1392858933;mircea_popescu;i tend to ask people with gold coin collections (which obviously WILL include some) "but you don't think the earth is flat, too, do youi ?" 517722;1392858940;mircea_popescu;absolutely nobody to date knew the reference. 517723;1392858977;wao-ender;oh here is reference http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/staunch 517724;1392858997;moiety;\o aye up benkay :) how's you? 517725;1392859018;mircea_popescu;wao-ender no i mean about paul kruger 517726;1392859058;cads;mircea_popescu: I dunno, maybe I could do a situation with agents that act under various ignorance or misinformation constraints. 517727;1392859080;cads;I'm trying to think of the simplest measure of the fairness of a situation. 517728;1392859088;mircea_popescu;cads don't be bullied into it, but just consider that a) you really can't go through life like this and b) you definitely can't write the austrian thing for this reason. 517729;1392859119;mircea_popescu;sooner or later it'll have to be well resolved. 517730;1392859120;wao-ender;oh, we believes in that war with England, right? 517731;1392859124;ThickAsThieves;i think i just found a havelock bug, i sent a deposit to two different security accounts using 1 tx, it only deposited one amount 517732;1392859128;wao-ender;that his army can resist? 517733;1392859146;mircea_popescu;wao-ender they did it just fine for a while. but yes the boors. 517734;1392859151;ThickAsThieves;no way to exploit such thing, but annoying... 517735;1392859183;wao-ender;interesting life story 517736;1392859186;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves reverse-malleability. 517737;1392859230;wao-ender;well, but kinda it's true 517738;1392859233;mircea_popescu;moiety oyu know that "please allow me to analyse your situation" post is about as old as the internet ? 517739;1392859237;wao-ender;all we have, is the Hope. 517740;1392859242;wao-ender;Hope for next day. 517741;1392859266;mircea_popescu;i distinctly remember readinf the exchange in the mid 90s, thinking "look how retarded the mericans actually are, they believe this crap is respondent" 517742;1392859285;moiety;of course not! I've been banished from proper internetting for years! I loved his response though, fresh to me. 517743;1392859315;moiety;aw i think i find something good and it just turns out ive beenunder my rock for a while again lol 517744;1392859316;mircea_popescu;if i recall the original actually had good new england grammar 517745;1392859338;cads;hmm, so the service boasts half a billion users 517746;1392859357;mircea_popescu;cads AND VIEWS! pls do not forget the views. 517747;1392859400;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.50277 = 10.0554 BTC [-] {7} 517748;1392859414;cads;yes, the views, the views, gotta count the views... 517749;1392859418;cads;.... views.... 517750;1392859426;*;cads twitches 517751;1392859436;mircea_popescu;lol 517752;1392859439;moiety;i also learned today that ABBA admitted they wore the outfits they did for tax deductions 517753;1392859456;mircea_popescu;... abba ?! 517754;1392859460;moiety;yeah lol 517755;1392859461;mircea_popescu;just how young are you darlin' ? 517756;1392859500;moiety;29 years, a lot younger worldly. fair? 517757;1392859531;mircea_popescu;hehe i'm just pestering you. 517758;1392859553;mircea_popescu;you see, bois are fully allowed to love mac clintock, but god forbid a woman mentions abba like she heard of it. 517759;1392859557;mircea_popescu;gotta keep the double standards. 517760;1392859588;moiety;ah i forget those, go wandering into all kinds of sentences unwittingly 517761;1392859649;mircea_popescu;diametric the other interepretation is, that as long as you price your goods in dollars you're fine, and as long as you accept someone';s offer of doobaloos for your items you're also fine, 517762;1392859663;mircea_popescu;but you're not allowed to open a shop on 5th avenue which lists all prices in bitcoin and doesn't take usd, 517763;1392859676;mircea_popescu;nor are you allowed to pull the "this is just as good as usd" liberty dollar scam. 517764;1392859751;mircea_popescu;the way to skirt this, for fun and profit, is obviously to open the 5th avenue shop with prices prominently displayed in bitcoin and a tiny print usd value underneath, like "We also take this shit if you absolutely must" 517765;1392859767;mircea_popescu;which will likely get you sued and congress pass a law saying dollars have to be just as big as anything else on the tag!!1 517766;1392859769;cads;Hey guys, are you familiar with the multi-armed bandit problem? 517767;1392859775;moiety;lolol 517768;1392859783;mircea_popescu;cads yes 517769;1392859811;moiety;i thought most bandits had multiple arms 517770;1392859820;ThickAsThieves;Dancing Queen was the first cover song in my first punk band 517771;1392859833;moiety;please say its online somewhere ThickAsThieves ! 517772;1392859840;ThickAsThieves;nope 517773;1392859841;ThickAsThieves;sorry 517774;1392859842;moiety;aww 517775;1392859862;mircea_popescu;moiety it's a formulation of the explore/exploit dilemma 517776;1392859874;cads;moiety: A one armed bandit is a slot machine, while the multi-armed bandit problem considers the best play in a situation with multiple slot machines with uncertain odds. 517777;1392859879;mircea_popescu;like suppose you're naked outdoors circa 4500 bc, and very hungry. 517778;1392859884;mircea_popescu;you find a bush with berries. 517779;1392859894;mircea_popescu;how long do you spend grazing and when do you leave looking for more bushes ? 517780;1392859910;moiety;when you have collected them all from the first 517781;1392859922;mircea_popescu;yes well, it gets more complicated than that. 517782;1392859930;moiety;ik sorry i couldnt resist 517783;1392859940;mircea_popescu;god forbid someone marries you. 517784;1392859951;moiety;i think we can all safely assume thats not going to happen 517785;1392859954;mircea_popescu;attn all present jpm bankers. the girl won't leave till she's bled you dry! 517786;1392859967;moiety;LOL 517787;1392859970;mircea_popescu;hehe 517788;1392859977;moiety;but..she bakes! 517789;1392859987;mircea_popescu;do you pole dance ? 517790;1392860012;moiety;i feel my art is restricted with equipment 517791;1392860015;moiety;no 517792;1392860020;mircea_popescu;supposedly it's great exercise. 517793;1392860051;moiety;the actual pole spins itself doesn't it, its not as difficult as it looks 517794;1392860075;mircea_popescu;it can be about as difficult or easy as you want to make it for yourself. 517795;1392860084;benkay;i think not. strippers can't handle rotational inertia. 517796;1392860098;mircea_popescu;benkay they actually have both versions. 517797;1392860113;benkay;o of course 517798;1392860115;benkay;but you know 517799;1392860120;benkay;somewhere there's a cutoff. 517800;1392860122;benkay;5% 517801;1392860127;benkay;? 517802;1392860128;benkay;25? 517803;1392860134;benkay;2%?* 517804;1392860136;mircea_popescu;the problem with fixed poles is that girls want to lube it up 517805;1392860137;benkay;matter of taste. 517806;1392860141;mircea_popescu;which then gets kind-of disgusting 517807;1392860161;benkay;which is why they wipe it down with solvent between performances, non? 517808;1392860167;mircea_popescu;someplaces. 517809;1392860195;mircea_popescu;the problem with that is the solvent isn't so kind on the sensitive skin of the thigs 517810;1392860206;benkay;so let it evaporate 517811;1392860219;benkay;disease transmission's it's own peculiar set of tastes too. 517812;1392860229;moiety;looking at wiki, i think it just depends on the venue 517813;1392860238;mircea_popescu;you generally need a bill of health to work anywhere. 517814;1392860268;moiety;chinese pole dancers use two 517815;1392860414;mircea_popescu;re winkdex : myeah, we have a serious problem with indexes. 517816;1392860632;mircea_popescu;lol @ reddit link 517817;1392860642;mircea_popescu;"ono, someone said mean things to me ON THE INTERWEBS! PLS CARE" 517818;1392860741;mircea_popescu;and the shit got like 200 votes and comments and whatnot. which clearly shows the importance of social media voting. 517819;1392860742;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 46 @ 0.49771739 = 22.895 BTC [-] {7} 517820;1392860864;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51 = 1.02 BTC [+] 517821;1392860955;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: multi-armed bandit: http://lalandlab.st-andrews.ac.uk/tournaments/tournament1/sociallearning.html 517822;1392860975;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is old news; 2nd tournament is mostly done now, too 517823;1392860986;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.07495 = 0.1499 BTC [+] {2} 517824;1392860992;mircea_popescu;basically the appeal of civ was exactly this 517825;1392860996;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: contest inspired by Axelrod's prisoner's dilemma tournament 517826;1392861025;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know this inspires me ? one could formalise the problem with strings. 517827;1392861036;asciilifeform;they sorta did. 517828;1392861036;moiety;thats just along the road from me! 517829;1392861044;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hear me out : 517830;1392861068;mircea_popescu;you define actual words in the dictionary as "good stuff", and each player gets a selection of poems to complete. words themselves are worth points, filled lines are worth more points, filled poems even more. 517831;1392861082;mircea_popescu;then you give everyone strings, and they can read one char at a time 517832;1392861092;mircea_popescu;for a cost. or skip the string, for a larger cost. 517833;1392861103;BingoBoingo;I just caution against the spring anchored portable poles unless you like driving drunk girls to the ER at odd hours of the morning because they flew into a wall. 517834;1392861121;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo nttawwt. 517835;1392861133;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform obviously player can only eat a word if the whole word has been read. 517836;1392861210;asciilifeform;this sound like fun, but the contest was a robot-writing one 517837;1392861215;asciilifeform;rather than between players directly 517838;1392861231;asciilifeform;the final reports are worth reading 517839;1392861236;mircea_popescu;yes yes 517840;1392861241;mircea_popescu;you have to write the scripts for this. 517841;1392861258;mircea_popescu;i was just describing what your bot is supposed to do. 517842;1392861275;mircea_popescu;well not your your. one's. 517843;1392861290;asciilifeform;what's the goal? to reproduce the poem before the other players? 517844;1392861297;mircea_popescu;get most moneyz 517845;1392861320;mircea_popescu;the key here, of course, being that the strings are not all created equal 517846;1392861329;asciilifeform;'read one character at a time' << from another player's slate? 517847;1392861340;mircea_popescu;each string has its own per-character entropy, from epsilon to 8-epsilon 517848;1392861348;mircea_popescu;no, the string is in the middle. 517849;1392861365;mircea_popescu;"all players get copies of the same strings" say. 517850;1392861383;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: might want to describe this for the simple (i.e. mathematically) 517851;1392861392;mircea_popescu;that'll be hard ;/ 517852;1392861407;mircea_popescu;ok but let me try. 517853;1392861440;mircea_popescu;the game board consists of an endless set of strings, which all start as natural language constructs and are "decayed" by bit flipping by an actual rng. 517854;1392861450;mircea_popescu;once the decay is complete the game board is ready. 517855;1392861473;mircea_popescu;any number of players can play. 517856;1392861498;mircea_popescu;each player gets the same copy of the same list of strings. at any point each player has the choice of either reading one more character from their current string or advance ot the next string. 517857;1392861517;mircea_popescu;each player has a pre-given "Table" consisting of a number of natural language poems. these are actual literature. 517858;1392861556;mircea_popescu;whenever a player has read a natural language word (ie, from the dictionary) out of the string (exact match, no mixing of letters or anything scrabble-ish) he now has that word. 517859;1392861573;mircea_popescu;the word on itself is worth something. if the word is actually part of one of the player's poems on their table, it's worth more. 517860;1392861580;mircea_popescu;if the player completes a line or a poem, more bonuses. 517861;1392861596;asciilifeform;sounds like a variation on 'Erudit' 517862;1392861598;mircea_popescu;he wins with the highest score once all players have read all strings. 517863;1392861600;mircea_popescu;does it ? 517864;1392861622;mircea_popescu;cause that's what i was wanting, to see if this is original or i'm just ineptly stumbling on well known (to everyone else) history. 517865;1392861637;asciilifeform;and it's not clear, from this description, that the ideal strategy is any kind of problem 517866;1392861664;asciilifeform;s/erudit/scrabble 517867;1392861665;mircea_popescu;why is that ? 517868;1392861737;asciilifeform;well, consider a bot. he can contain whatever, so he has an embedded dictionary (for the natural language of the poems) 517869;1392861761;asciilifeform;or, failing that, simply the set of necessary words (all words from his poem slate) 517870;1392861774;mircea_popescu;no problem. so ? 517871;1392861789;mircea_popescu;it is a given the bot would contain the dictionaries, sure. 517872;1392861794;asciilifeform;if the current buffer at any time does not match the beginning of any useful word, switch. 517873;1392861800;mircea_popescu;uh. 517874;1392861808;mircea_popescu;so you switch on character 1 of all strings ? 517875;1392861812;asciilifeform;unless i'm missing something 517876;1392861828;asciilifeform;not all, but once 'x' becomes 'xy' and there is no 'xylophone' in the table... 517877;1392861836;mircea_popescu;seems to me a better strategy may be to stick with a not-so-entropic string 517878;1392861843;mircea_popescu;than to switch and perhaps get a very entropic string. 517879;1392861853;asciilifeform;illustrate? 517880;1392861855;mircea_popescu;even if the xy atm has no xylophone. 517881;1392861871;mircea_popescu;ok. string one : xygfredfoxjumpedoverstan 517882;1392861886;mircea_popescu;string two acadafabadabababbadaafa 517883;1392861919;asciilifeform;from whence do the strings come? 517884;1392861929;mircea_popescu;they all start as natural language constructs 517885;1392861938;mircea_popescu;and are fuzzed to different (and unknown to players) degrees 517886;1392861948;mircea_popescu;some are very badly fuzzed. some very slightly. some in between 517887;1392861958;asciilifeform;random selections from dictionary, then permuted a character at a time before start? 517888;1392861970;asciilifeform;and with varying degrees of noise? 517889;1392861972;mircea_popescu;random selections from the poems given out, 517890;1392861974;mircea_popescu;and then noised. 517891;1392861984;mircea_popescu;basically the player becomes an exercise to measure the fuzzer parameters 517892;1392861988;asciilifeform;but noised to differing degrees, deliberately? 517893;1392861988;mircea_popescu;in a half-blind fashion. 517894;1392861991;mircea_popescu;yeah. 517895;1392862000;asciilifeform;then strategy is clear, measure the noise. 517896;1392862022;mircea_popescu;that in principle is clear, but it helps as much as "capture enemy pieces" helps in chess 517897;1392862023;mircea_popescu;i suspect. 517898;1392862030;asciilifeform;certainly. 517899;1392862034;mircea_popescu;because measuring the noise has a cost in itself. 517900;1392862096;mircea_popescu;moreover, take our original two strings. 517901;1392862101;mircea_popescu;when do you measure the noise ? 517902;1392862104;mircea_popescu;xy is noisier than ac 517903;1392862110;mircea_popescu;sampling problems. 517904;1392862126;mircea_popescu;xyg way noisier than aca 517905;1392862147;asciilifeform;noise being 'frequency of substrings that contain no valid words,' perhaps. 517906;1392862157;mircea_popescu;2nd still less noisy 517907;1392862196;benkay;hey mircea_popescu where's the essay in which you explain why proles can't afford privacy? 517908;1392862204;asciilifeform;fuck, i've played this game! 517909;1392862208;asciilifeform;with genetic sequences. 517910;1392862210;asciilifeform;long story. 517911;1392862218;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/anonimity-not-for-the-poor/ 517912;1392862219;ozbot;Anonimity : not for the poor. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 517913;1392862231;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i was going to say, basically this game is the game of fucking life. 517914;1392862243;mircea_popescu;every programmer ever has basically played this with compilers and errors and blabla. 517915;1392862245;benkay;thankee sir 517916;1392862246;mircea_popescu;every engineer idem. 517917;1392862285;asciilifeform;i meant, literally this game. 517918;1392862293;asciilifeform;with homology modelling. 517919;1392862297;mircea_popescu;o wow srsly ? 517920;1392862300;mircea_popescu;is it named anything ? 517921;1392862304;asciilifeform;not afaik 517922;1392862319;mircea_popescu;hey. 517923;1392862320;asciilifeform;but an actual expert might know. (i was thrown into that line of work by accident.) 517924;1392862330;mircea_popescu;i guess ima clean it up and put it on the t. 517925;1392862367;asciilifeform;i also have a hunch that it is a variant of Knapsack Problem 517926;1392862373;mircea_popescu;it certainly is. 517927;1392862377;mircea_popescu;im just not sure it's reducible to i. 517928;1392862379;mircea_popescu;it* 517929;1392862389;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00494 = 0.1037 BTC [+] {2} 517930;1392862391;asciilifeform;incidentally 517931;1392862406;asciilifeform;consider this knapsack packer: 517932;1392862438;asciilifeform;you want, from a set n1, n2, n3, ... nk, a subset such that sum(...) = S 517933;1392862458;mircea_popescu;blackjack ? 517934;1392862470;asciilifeform;that was just a simplified restatement of problem; 517935;1392862500;asciilifeform;now consider a source of light, of known polarization, shining into a tube 517936;1392862517;asciilifeform;on the other end of tube, a filter which passes only light polarized P degrees. 517937;1392862553;asciilifeform;in the pipe, slides containing each a matrix of regions of optically rotating substance (chiral whatever) 517938;1392862575;asciilifeform;each region rotates the light by d1, d2, ... dk degrees. 517939;1392862590;mircea_popescu;"make porn appear on the screen" 517940;1392862599;asciilifeform;endgame is an exercise for the alert reader. 517941;1392862610;asciilifeform;(incl. how to get the answer out.) 517942;1392862623;asciilifeform;(and how to attach 'weights' to n1, ... nk) 517943;1392862635;mircea_popescu;your reader needs to be mighty alert. 517944;1392862644;asciilifeform;result: machine solving knapsack problem in polynomial time. 517945;1392862657;asciilifeform;(source: my turdbook, circa '08) 517946;1392862691;mircea_popescu;i bet you the most that comes out of this is some new quantum effect. 517947;1392862702;asciilifeform;this is a strictly 1900s contraption. 517948;1392862727;asciilifeform;http://chemed.chem.purdue.edu/genchem/topicreview/bp/1organic/graphics/24_19.gif 517949;1392862751;asciilifeform;(basic principle due to herr pasteur) 517950;1392862763;benkay;see asciilifeform even MP thinks your readers gotta be super alert. 517951;1392862782;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's sans the chiral bits :) 517952;1392862799;mircea_popescu;you will end up with separation issues at the region boundries i bet. 517953;1392862802;asciilifeform;damnit, you want that i draw the whole picture, and then some bozo maps knapsack to the discrete logarithm problem 517954;1392862806;asciilifeform;and then we can go cry 517955;1392862810;mircea_popescu;derp, they never do. 517956;1392862820;mircea_popescu;i tell you, the most happening is "wow, look, likght does THAT too ?!" 517957;1392862828;*;asciilifeform waves to dr. evil reading this 517958;1392862853;mircea_popescu;recall the early highschool physics "and now the light makes spots, and now the light makes lines" 517959;1392862862;asciilifeform;it's a brute-forcer for n-SAT, too 517960;1392862871;asciilifeform;because you can perform modular arithmetic using rotation 517961;1392863092;asciilifeform;idea is, some scattered light will take the correct path through the rotators 517962;1392863100;asciilifeform;if you can determine the path, you have answer. 517963;1392863233;mircea_popescu;but you can't determine the path for very good reasons 517964;1392863237;mircea_popescu;known since about the 1900s 517965;1392863244;asciilifeform;not directly. 517966;1392863314;mircea_popescu;you won't be able to establish the path of light after you've measured its position 517967;1392863321;mircea_popescu;(tyhrough the rotation) 517968;1392863323;asciilifeform;no need. 517969;1392863329;asciilifeform;pull the rotator slides one by one 517970;1392863342;asciilifeform;and measure the error of the 'answer' 517971;1392863351;mircea_popescu;i tell you, this is a perpetuum lightmobile. 517972;1392863382;mircea_popescu;i'm a very theoretical physicist. i have no fucking idea of the formulas involved in physics, but i can tell you when you're wasting your time. 517973;1392863495;asciilifeform;i don't insist that this is a useful mechanism, that necessarily does 'the job'. only that 1) i never found any trace that it was proposed before 2) i cannot see a 'textbook' reason why it ought not to work 517974;1392863535;lnovy;(tldr, but...) conservation of energy? 517975;1392863564;asciilifeform;lnovy: please elaborate? 517976;1392863622;lnovy;sorry, off-topic problem, as i've said, tldr 517977;1392863671;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i for one certainly would like to see it built. 517978;1392863686;mircea_popescu;lnovy nah, that was just a metaphor. 517979;1392863701;lnovy;mircea_popescu: :) 517980;1392863704;asciilifeform;incidentally, 'there are no new ideas', etc. and this is but a minor generalization of shamir's TWINKLE/TWIRL 517981;1392863713;asciilifeform;which i realized the next day. 517982;1392863719;mircea_popescu;not so minor. 517983;1392863731;mircea_popescu;it's actually pretty good sarcasm, re twinkle. 517984;1392863744;asciilifeform;i only brought this up because armed bandits and knapsacks. 517985;1392863888;asciilifeform;there's a whole field of weird analogue computers using light, that mostly died out some time last century 517986;1392863907;asciilifeform;it could use a little help from modern electronics, and come back with a vengeance 517987;1392863934;asciilifeform;(from the 'weird soviet crap' dept. of my brain) 517988;1392863971;Duffer1;http://i.imgur.com/JZ85Pgu.gif 517989;1392863973;asciilifeform;people did amazing things with optics, without any access to coherent light, much less computer 517990;1392863973;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 517991;1392864060;greenspan_fan;for instance, fresnel lenses-- a thin sheet that magnifies surprisingly efficiently 517992;1392864064;moiety;lol duffer thats brilliant 517993;1392864129;Duffer1;^.^ 517994;1392864152;moiety;might know this one: http://i.imgur.com/txDa8p9.png 517995;1392864163;asciilifeform;pop quiz for whoever: how did the discoverer of the 'LED' die? 517996;1392864216;greenspan_fan;heart disease? cancer? automobile accident? 517997;1392864221;asciilifeform;no/no/no 517998;1392864223;moiety;i thought he was still alive 517999;1392864229;asciilifeform;and no 518000;1392864240;moiety;wiki lies to meeeeeeeee 518001;1392864267;asciilifeform;starvation. 518002;1392864297;moiety;starvation? 518003;1392864301;greenspan_fan;vis a vis, leningrad. Wikipedia lists three discoverers though 518004;1392864302;Duffer1;ww2 518005;1392864304;moiety;im just catching up i see there are three guys 518006;1392864368;chetty;A Fatwa has been issued against living on Mars by clerics who say that trying to set up home there would be un-Islamic. 518007;1392864383;moiety;wah i didnt realise it was as early as 1927 he started documenting 518008;1392864435;benkay;chetty: did you ever read the Red/Green/Blue Mars books? 518009;1392864544;chetty;nope never heard of those 518010;1392864589;Duffer1;i've read them, proud to say i didn't skip any pages 518011;1392864592;benkay;Kim Stanley Robinson. he gets a wee-bit preachy and long in the mouth (like Rand) but has a very vivid story about the different groups who emigrated and why and what they all did with themselves. 518012;1392864696;chetty;haha just reading about them, seems very timely stuff 518013;1392864792;Duffer1;the over all story is well worth the overlong theories of possible future technical/civil/economic possibilities 518014;1392864860;Duffer1;i wonder what KSR would extrapolate from blockchain tech 518015;1392864901;mircea_popescu;who ? 518016;1392864910;Duffer1;kim stanley robinson 518017;1392864918;benkay;it was interesting to see the Accelerando guy take his stance on bitcoin being evil 518018;1392864928;Duffer1;charles stross 518019;1392864943;benkay;yeah, him. 518020;1392864951;benkay;when A. is basically all about what the world looks like after the hidebound states fall over 518021;1392864975;benkay;although in his vision it was the reputation system that cracked 'em open, not the breaking of the fiat bank. 518022;1392864981;benkay;makes sense, right? nerds want to have other nerds idolized by nerd-tokens. 518023;1392864982;Duffer1;which is ironic since his latest book (which was frankly aweful) featured the cryptocurrency idea prominently 518024;1392864999;mircea_popescu;benkay tell you a secret : if all the people who had been up to this point claimed to be employed at or interested in bitcoin's business had recognised it and moved over, 518025;1392865005;benkay;not this power-concentrating pure money technology bullshit 518026;1392865007;mircea_popescu;i'd have been well fucking worried it's all a plant. 518027;1392865008;asciilifeform;stross, if i'm not mistaken, is the 'other kind' of writer 518028;1392865012;mircea_popescu;as it is, it's all fine. 518029;1392865016;asciilifeform;the kind with 'kolhozes on mars' 518030;1392865034;benkay;;;ud kolhozes 518031;1392865035;gribble;Google found nothing. 518032;1392865035;mircea_popescu;OF COURSE they would fight it tooth and nail. imagine someone invents a solution to all X problems tomorrow. 518033;1392865049;mircea_popescu;who do you think will fight it in the US ? those currently involved in X right ? 518034;1392865060;asciilifeform;;;ud kolkhoz 518035;1392865061;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kolkhoz | trending. hipster · neknominate · lumpatious · tittybong · poopsterbate · dtf · spectaphile · bae · yolo · pussy. categories. gaming · sports · food · sex · tv · film ... 518036;1392865061;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: kolkhoz 518037;1392865073;benkay;this is no secret to me, mircea_popescu 518038;1392865074;asciilifeform;bah. 518039;1392865079;mircea_popescu;i know :) 518040;1392865106;Duffer1;;; tittybong 518041;1392865106;gribble;Error: "tittybong" is not a valid command. 518042;1392865111;Duffer1;;;ud tittybong 518043;1392865112;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tittybong | tittybong. a place in Australia but also the act of the female appendage leaping from it's cotton, underwired prison. Can be used as an expression of pleasure...or  ... 518044;1392865112;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: tittybong 518045;1392865130;benkay;it's great right? 518046;1392865138;benkay;bitcoin stable for spring 2014 at 650 518047;1392865158;benkay;everyone thinks its crazy and or stupid 518048;1392865162;benkay;the ones who argue a) satoshi hoard and b) implementation-as-specification are right 518049;1392865165;benkay;but sadly also wrong 518050;1392865192;benkay;i have no idea how a) will resolve, but b) cannot stand. 518051;1392865227;mircea_popescu;http://www.btcbeauties.com/donate < check out this shit. 518052;1392865228;ozbot;Bitcoin Beauties 518053;1392865233;mircea_popescu;"our project". wtf ? 518054;1392865255;ThickAsThieves;address starts with a 3? 518055;1392865269;mircea_popescu;ikr ? 518056;1392865277;mircea_popescu;fucking weirdest thing i've seen so far today. 518057;1392865279;benkay;they're excited about growth 518058;1392865282;benkay;my kinda babes. 518059;1392865284;pankkake;P2SH address 518060;1392865287;mircea_popescu;and i mean who wouldn't be. 518061;1392865295;asciilifeform;the '3' was a monkeywrench thrown by their monkey 518062;1392865301;asciilifeform;who resented being put to such a task. 518063;1392865305;benkay;"we appreciate your your support and stoke" 518064;1392865306;ThickAsThieves;lol 518065;1392865318;ThickAsThieves;there's something missing too 518066;1392865322;ThickAsThieves;beauty 518067;1392865329;mircea_popescu;well they're ok girls, whadda ya want. 518068;1392865337;benkay;great tits, too. 518069;1392865339;mircea_popescu;supposing of course the tiny shitty pictures aren't lifted. 518070;1392865363;benkay;http://www.btcbeauties.com/assets/anto.jpg 518071;1392865377;ThickAsThieves;i can see a shape of a nipple! 518072;1392865387;*;ThickAsThieves donates it all. 518073;1392865429;benkay;blew your wad, eh? 518074;1392865432;pankkake;girl pics for btc is something reddit is actually useful at 518075;1392865442;moiety;i go for hot chocolate and miss tits and bongs? ffs ping me next time 518076;1392865457;mircea_popescu;incidentally re p2sh : 518077;1392865461;asciilifeform;moiety: you also missed n-sat solver. 518078;1392865471;mircea_popescu;gavin put in code that made everyone downloading the latest versiion vote "yes" cause he wanted to see a yesz. 518079;1392865494;mircea_popescu;this got him exactly squat, showing about how important control of the new releases was 518080;1392865495;mircea_popescu;back in 2012. 518081;1392865515;benkay;whaaaaat 518082;1392865525;asciilifeform;p2sh ? 518083;1392865539;pankkake;well, pools don't really apt-get install bitcoin 518084;1392865596;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform some braindamaged extension of innate scripting capabilities 518085;1392865608;mircea_popescu;which was put together suspiciously quickly. 518086;1392865612;pankkake;but it allows to decentralize everything! 518087;1392865614;asciilifeform;bip-16 ? 518088;1392865617;pankkake;yes 518089;1392865618;mircea_popescu;Luke-Jr was all against it iirc. 518090;1392865627;mircea_popescu;yeah 518091;1392865633;pankkake;see, you shouldn't hate Luke-Jr 518092;1392865639;ThickAsThieves;like against it with his crotch? 518093;1392865649;mircea_popescu;http://blockchain.info/p2sh << lol. beleeted 518094;1392865664;mircea_popescu;then there was bip-17, an entire drama. 518095;1392865666;asciilifeform;https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0016.mediawiki 518096;1392865666;benkay;saw that 518097;1392865667;asciilifeform;? 518098;1392865671;benkay;man if you delete shit 518099;1392865684;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [+] 518100;1392865691;benkay;relevant to past business/coding exploits 518101;1392865698;benkay;u ams scam. 518102;1392865700;moiety;went looking for that asciilifeform lol 518103;1392865702;benkay;what was this forced voting thong? 518104;1392865704;mircea_popescu;it is pretty fucking stupid. 518105;1392865717;ThickAsThieves;are bitcoin software updates even going to be possible for much longer? 518106;1392865718;mircea_popescu;in his defense they "updated" the site like 5x in the interval, because you defo need moar logos and shit 518107;1392865733;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves this is a sore spot power rangers would rather not go into. 518108;1392865734;asciilifeform;trying to figure out the point 518109;1392865750;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform look into bip-12 too while you're at it. 518110;1392865754;moiety;i still cant figure out the btcbeauties project apart from trying to hide the fat one 518111;1392865770;ThickAsThieves;she's just big-boned! 518112;1392865800;moiety;it's a trap! 518113;1392865814;pankkake;I like big boneds 518114;1392865819;mircea_popescu;me either, but i told em to drop by here. 518115;1392865823;mircea_popescu;maybe they do and then can explain. 518116;1392865851;moiety;i love how they went on location as probably too embarrassed to strip pff anywhere else 518117;1392865866;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.05329996 = 0.3198 BTC [-] {2} 518118;1392865867;moiety;lol i would love it if they did 518119;1392865873;moiety;drop by i mean 518120;1392865873;mircea_popescu;you ever been nude in public ? 518121;1392865884;benkay;don't they know the assettes only get off on public nudity? 518122;1392865890;moiety;let's define public. do you mean in view or just in a public place? 518123;1392865896;mircea_popescu;either way. 518124;1392865903;moiety;yes but not in view 518125;1392865908;mircea_popescu;just establishing your credentials to bitch at them >D 518126;1392865910;asciilifeform;cursory reading of bip-12 suggests that it gives you a coin that sits on a magic addr, from whence it can, say, move to A1, A2, or A3 but nowhere else 518127;1392865923;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ono. it pulls up something from the stack. 518128;1392865932;asciilifeform;sure 518129;1392865947;asciilifeform;but i'm trying to enumerate the possible cases 518130;1392865959;mircea_popescu;it could do pretty much anything, such as never stop. 518131;1392865964;mircea_popescu;(turing complete) 518132;1392865965;asciilifeform;given that most of the opcodes in the classical client are commented out 518133;1392865973;asciilifeform;(or were, last i checked) 518134;1392866012;asciilifeform;as far as i can tell, pissing on this particular electric fence is strictly voluntary. 518135;1392866025;mircea_popescu;yup 518136;1392866061;asciilifeform;bip-12 appears to specify a max recursion depth of 2 518137;1392866072;mircea_popescu;the argument isn't "o wow look btc is broken", the argument merely is "o hey, remember when gavin was a total asshat in 2012 ?" 518138;1392866086;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform admitting it is actually enforced. 518139;1392866124;asciilifeform;the devs stay on their ceremonial throne until the first bugocalypse. 518140;1392866149;asciilifeform;after that, they go somewhere else... 518141;1392866177;asciilifeform;will be interesting to see what becomes of the empty throne. 518142;1392866187;moiety;how many bips are there? 518143;1392866201;asciilifeform;moiety: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips 518144;1392866210;moiety;thank you asciilifeform 518145;1392866232;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-] 518146;1392866244;asciilifeform;wait a sec 518147;1392866247;moiety;jesus, lots 518148;1392866248;asciilifeform;bip-61 518149;1392866260;asciilifeform;'standard' and link -> 404 ?! 518150;1392866286;asciilifeform;nm 518151;1392866660;moiety;sorry you guys hearts must sink when i come in 518152;1392866691;jayk;i really hate commercials that have a doorbell 518153;1392866700;jayk;especially ones that sound exactly like mine 518154;1392866715;benkay;my heart sinks when truffles comes in. 518155;1392866724;moiety;lol i had a parrot that meowed and did the phone 518156;1392866781;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50004999 = 1.0001 BTC [-] {2} 518157;1392867077;bloctoc;I apologize if it's already been discussed, but does anyone seen significance in mtgox stopping the drop today? 518158;1392867138;benkay;"stopping the drop"? 518159;1392867141;benkay;;;ticker --market mtgox 518160;1392867142;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 262.345, Best ask: 264.695, Bid-ask spread: 2.35000, Last trade: 262.345, 24 hour volume: 33931.23630368, 24 hour low: 257.10001, 24 hour high: 298.0, 24 hour vwap: 265.3911 518161;1392867166;Duffer1;did they suspend trading or did the market stop selling? 518162;1392867187;jcpham;Winkdex! 518163;1392867204;bloctoc;if you look at 24 hour chart, there seems to be a willingness to buy at 261 518164;1392867236;bloctoc;wondering if that's where mtgox needs the price to be to recapitalize. 518165;1392867499;moiety;this is how gox is protecting itself from closure. If they don't let anyone withdraw ever again, they can't ever really close 518166;1392867528;moiety;(kidding) 518167;1392867656;benkay;not that good of a joke 518168;1392867659;benkay;too close to home 518169;1392867678;benkay;at least in their minds... 518170;1392867879;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00494 = 0.1927 BTC [+] 518171;1392867901;mike_c;1) stop withdrawals. 2) use your 'unlimited account' to buy btc at 260. 3) use whatever you have left in the sofa cushions to process some withdrawals and restore some confidence 4) sell some of your cheap coins and use funds to process more withdrawals. 5) goto step 4. 518172;1392868062;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24814 @ 0.00086611 = 21.4917 BTC [+] {2} 518173;1392868460;Jere_Jones;http://i.imgur.com/N8kbDck.jpg 518174;1392868550;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37950 @ 0.00086614 = 32.87 BTC [+] {2} 518175;1392868558;benkay;amen. 518176;1392868776;moiety;i nabbed that 518177;1392868786;mircea_popescu;nice album art. 518178;1392868808;mircea_popescu;"A number of government lawyers involved in lawsuits over the NSA phone-records program believe federal-court rules on preserving evidence related to lawsuits require the agency to stop routinely destroying older phone records" 518179;1392868819;mircea_popescu;aka the "We must spy because you're sueing us about our spying" defense. 518180;1392868855;mike_c;http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/panacea-opens-the-books/ 518181;1392868857;ozbot;Panacea Opens The Books - Btc Alpha 518182;1392868870;mircea_popescu;o hey. 518183;1392868875;benkay;well done mike_c 518184;1392868876;mircea_popescu;is this an exclusive ? 518185;1392868884;mike_c;you didn't even read it yet benkay! 518186;1392868891;mike_c;mircea_popescu: yup 518187;1392868898;mircea_popescu;so say so in the piece noob :D 518188;1392868906;mike_c;srsly. 518189;1392868912;mike_c;pr fail 518190;1392868916;mircea_popescu;next time. 518191;1392868945;mircea_popescu;i hereby summarize assets for all future times : 518192;1392868948;benkay;talking about the scoop, mike_c :0 518193;1392868954;mike_c;oh :) 518194;1392868961;mircea_popescu;"hey guise! check out this neat thing i did" "x" "o fuck me". 518195;1392869021;mircea_popescu;through its first five months of operations 518196;1392869022;mircea_popescu;s ? 518197;1392869037;mike_c;August through january. i think that's 5 518198;1392869053;mircea_popescu;but first five months of operation neh ? 518199;1392869054;mike_c;fuck 518200;1392869056;mike_c;that's 6 518201;1392869086;pankkake;great article 518202;1392869091;mircea_popescu;nice data. 518203;1392869103;moiety;that's very nice mike_c :) 518204;1392869106;mike_c;thanks. credit to kakobrekla for sending that along. very cool of him. 518205;1392869191;kakobrekla;o very cool 518206;1392869404;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 108 @ 0.003 = 0.324 BTC [+] 518207;1392869417;Apocalyptic;nice article mike_c 518208;1392869429;moiety;there he is lol hi kakobrekla 518209;1392869461;kakobrekla;yes, here. hi! 518210;1392869476;mike_c;Apocalyptic: thanks. also, i believe awhile ago you mentioned you were interested in the income investments section, so check out http://www.btcalpha.com/income/. it's version 1, but still some useful info i think. 518211;1392869489;Apocalyptic;just reading it now :) 518212;1392869526;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.00482148 = 0.2604 BTC [-] {7} 518213;1392869648;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.48103001 = 4.3293 BTC [-] {2} 518214;1392869698;benkay;i think the assettes crashed your server, mike_c. 518215;1392869718;benkay;leastaways /income/ isn't serving anything for me. 518216;1392869747;*;benkay goes back to the ragel documentation 518217;1392869753;mike_c;browser? 518218;1392869765;mike_c;sry chan, i'll pm. 518219;1392869805;benkay;yeah it may be a browser thing 518220;1392869813;benkay;no man fuckit! debug in -assets! this is how we roll. 518221;1392869826;mike_c;ok! so what browser/os we working with here? 518222;1392869841;benkay;os x, firefox. 518223;1392869849;mike_c;oh, i don't support mac 518224;1392869852;mike_c;(kidding) 518225;1392869867;benkay;highchart js is the long-loading one. 518226;1392869875;benkay;and nevermind. 518227;1392869884;mike_c;loading? 518228;1392869894;benkay;nondeterministicwebbug. 518229;1392869899;mike_c;cool 518230;1392869899;benkay;mhm 518231;1392869901;benkay;"did you clear your cache?" 518232;1392869905;benkay;"did you restart your browser" 518233;1392869909;benkay;"did you restart your computer" 518234;1392869923;mike_c;you don't have to clear cache. i version my static files like a good webdev. 518235;1392869932;benkay;"are you running ie8?" 518236;1392869933;moiety;i was just reading the income page - nice page mike_c 518237;1392869938;benkay;lost an ie8 argument recently 518238;1392869946;greenspan_fan;what's an ie8 argument? 518239;1392869946;mike_c;thanks moiety. there is more to come on that page. 518240;1392869954;mike_c;should we support it. 518241;1392869957;moiety;bookmarked you! 518242;1392869963;benkay;that'd make you a better dev than most webbers. 518243;1392869963;mike_c;awesome 518244;1392869969;benkay;mike_c: you're still serving directly from highcharts. 518245;1392869995;mike_c;yes, that one i didn't want to bother serving locally. but i will probably change that b/c their server is down more than mine. 518246;1392869996;benkay;and i think it's a blocking call. 518247;1392870010;mike_c;ok, maybe i'll change it now. 518248;1392870046;kakobrekla;well since you are already taking complaints, in opera next witch already uses webkit, some charts get broked 518249;1392870065;kakobrekla;but i understand if you will not fix it 518250;1392870069;mircea_popescu;drama chick after performance : "how come people on stage never throw tomatoes @ the audience" 518251;1392870073;kakobrekla;i prolly wouldnt 518252;1392870109;mike_c;i already installed opera just for you kako. opera next is probably beyond your service contract. 518253;1392870111;Apocalyptic;who does use opera these days anyway 518254;1392870117;benkay;mike_c: did you see mircea_popescu's point a few days ago about the flipside of "you can raise it but you can't spend it"? 518255;1392870118;kakobrekla;LMAFO 518256;1392870125;kakobrekla;hats off mike_c 518257;1392870131;Apocalyptic;*except in somalia 518258;1392870174;mike_c;benkay: recently? don't think so. i've been around for a couple discussions on the topic. 518259;1392870182;Bugpowder;Semi-rational mutagenesis 518260;1392870225;benkay;mike_c: the basic gist is that you can't spend it when btc price is going up 'cause derp, but then when you don't spend it in time you get a reaming from investors. 518261;1392870232;benkay;for failing to capitalize on high price. 518262;1392870258;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 239 @ 0.00299999 = 0.717 BTC [-] {2} 518263;1392870269;mike_c;hah, yeah, i read that. but that is a minor consideration against the order of magnitude changes when it goes up. 518264;1392870278;Bugpowder;mircea_popescu: I played that game quite a bit in grad school. 518265;1392870282;Bugpowder;For example http://nar.oxfordjournals.org/content/28/16/e78 518266;1392870289;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder o hey so it has a name and everything ? 518267;1392870299;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform check it out 518268;1392870308;Bugpowder;Well, it's not exactly the same game but similar enough 518269;1392870334;Bugpowder;You use degenerate PCR primers to evolve and screen fluorescent protein genes 518270;1392870338;mircea_popescu;shorter alphabet basicall ? 518271;1392870344;Bugpowder;trying to find an new one that matches 518272;1392870349;Bugpowder;well... 4 characters 518273;1392870350;mircea_popescu;shorter alphabet / longer verses. 518274;1392870361;Bugpowder;but you mutate base on the codons 518275;1392870377;Bugpowder;so 3^3 'letters' 518276;1392870387;mircea_popescu;interesting 518277;1392870392;Bugpowder;since you need 3 to actually code an amino acid. 518278;1392870407;mircea_popescu;but isn't it 3^4 then ? 518279;1392870424;Bugpowder;uhhh 518280;1392870427;Bugpowder;4^3 518281;1392870428;Bugpowder;yeah 518282;1392870431;mircea_popescu;right 518283;1392870435;Bugpowder;though some represent the same letter 518284;1392870436;Bugpowder;http://dps.plants.ox.ac.uk/langdalelab/protocols/PCR/degenerate_primer.pdf 518285;1392870454;Bugpowder;So you can specify ATGC 518286;1392870455;mircea_popescu;well cool! 518287;1392870478;Bugpowder;OR you can specify a blend of two, three or all four randomly assorted at that position 518288;1392870504;Bugpowder;Say you want to evolve a fluorescent protein to glow a different color 518289;1392870531;Bugpowder;you suspect that a few amino acids near the core chromophore will influence the color 518290;1392870585;Bugpowder;So you do a PCR reaction (make billions of copies of the DNA), but use primers that have these selective random patches at the points in the sequence you want to sample the variation space in 518291;1392870602;moiety;thats ace 518292;1392870619;moiety;why are oxford uni using comic sans 518293;1392870620;Bugpowder;your new gene sequence now has randomizations at those spots, as specified by your primer blend 518294;1392870625;mircea_popescu;right. 518295;1392870677;Bugpowder;then you mix the genes into a bunch of bacteria, and dilute the solution really far down, then spread it over many agar plates 518296;1392870712;Bugpowder;each bacteria that got one of the mutant genes in it will grow an independent colony 518297;1392870724;Bugpowder;hundreds or thousands on a plate 518298;1392870774;Bugpowder;and you can put them under a fluorescent light to see if you A) fucked the protein up or B) changed its color slightly. Take your best hits, sequence the gene to see what you've got, then repeat the process. 518299;1392870788;Bugpowder;This is how one gene, GFP, the green fluorescent protein 518300;1392870793;Bugpowder;Turned into many colors. 518301;1392870844;Bugpowder;Here is a painting of various color fluoresncet bacteria on a plate... created by this game... 518302;1392870845;Bugpowder;http://tsienlab.ucsd.edu/HTML/Images/IMAGE%20-%20PLATE%20-%20Beach.jpg 518303;1392870894;Bugpowder;Most mutations kill the fluorescence (they don't match literate word, as a metaphor) 518304;1392870937;Bugpowder;but a few work... Just need to find them.. by flipping 2-3 letters at a time 518305;1392870954;Bugpowder;Alternatively you can use error-prone PCR, which makes random mutations everywhere 518306;1392870967;Bugpowder;instead of targeted 518307;1392871006;mircea_popescu;ok that's pretty cool 518308;1392871033;Bugpowder;OR you can insert the gene into the hyper somatic recombination region of B cells (this is how antibody diversity is generated in your own immune system), and then let the B cells mutate the protein for you 518309;1392871050;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder did you obtain the painting by smear selected bacteria or by smearing uniform bacteria with particular mutagen ? 518310;1392871052;Bugpowder;Then you just sort millions of cells over and over again till you enrich the color you want. 518311;1392871069;Bugpowder;mircea_popescu: That was made by the former 518312;1392871074;mircea_popescu;aha 518313;1392871081;Bugpowder;different colors has already been evolved 518314;1392871090;mircea_popescu;i can't help but think you're pretty close to biofilm 3d printing. 518315;1392871123;Bugpowder;Then a friend made a pallete of different color bacteria and painted the plate with a dilute solution of them. Waited 48 hours and that was the impressive result 518316;1392871137;Bugpowder;(its under UV illumination) 518317;1392871160;mircea_popescu;which... you know, if galateea ever happens... 518318;1392871169;moiety;Bugpowder, may i please use this picture? 518319;1392871190;Bugpowder;It's on wikipedia 518320;1392871192;Bugpowder;I think. 518321;1392871195;moiety;fab 518322;1392871201;Bugpowder;I think I put it there many years ago 518323;1392871222;Bugpowder;Yup 518324;1392871222;Bugpowder;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_fluorescent_protein 518325;1392871223;ozbot;Green fluorescent protein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 518326;1392871228;moiety;it is really cool, i started an album after the illustrating science challenge last year 518327;1392871231;Bugpowder;BTW this work won the 2008 Nobel prize. 518328;1392871236;Bugpowder;in Chemistry 518329;1392871290;mircea_popescu;pretty cool. 518330;1392871309;moiety;i need glofish in my life 518331;1392871356;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.48103666 = 1.4431 BTC [+] {3} 518332;1392871378;moiety;A Japanese-American Team created green-fluorescent cats as proof of concept to use them potentially as model organisms for diseases, particularly HIV.[42] I volunteer to look after them 518333;1392871486;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for your warez pleasure: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/lightproc.djvu 518334;1392871506;mircea_popescu;uh. 518335;1392871508;mircea_popescu;djvu ? 518336;1392871527;Bugpowder;downstream application... Total brain network activity imaging. 518337;1392871528;Bugpowder;http://www.nature.com/news/flashing-fish-brains-filmed-in-action-1.12621 518338;1392871528;ozbot;Flashing fish brains filmed in action : Nature News & Comment 518339;1392871533;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'optical methods of signal processing.' v. d. svet. 1971 518340;1392871537;Bugpowder;Works best in fish tho 518341;1392871544;Bugpowder;transparent 518342;1392871605;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: example, p. 69, optical 'correlator' 518343;1392871610;Bugpowder;Also 518344;1392871611;Bugpowder;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EYbjW3wgwY 518345;1392871611;ozbot;Watching a mouse's brain think about running with GCaMP3 - YouTube 518346;1392871619;asciilifeform;pure gold 518347;1392871627;mircea_popescu;ah 518348;1392871664;Bugpowder;Need sleep. Laterzzz 518349;1392871665;moiety;thats incredible 518350;1392871694;moiety;cya Bugpowder thanks for le links! 518351;1392871733;mircea_popescu;for a glimpse at my forum digests : 518352;1392871736;Bugpowder;I built the gene in the mouse video... the fish video is 2 more series of evolution better... 518353;1392871736;mircea_popescu;crypto-trade (neotrix's deal that used to be an altcoin marketplace, and 518354;1392871736;mircea_popescu;which i beat the shit out of when they decided to start letting people 518355;1392871736;mircea_popescu;list securities, and which has been fucking up massively since, and which 518356;1392871736;mircea_popescu;i've been back to say hey next time listen to me before you get into this 518357;1392871736;mircea_popescu;sorta mess) is jumping on board the "o no malleability is preventing us 518358;1392871737;mircea_popescu;from paying out" wagon 518359;1392871739;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149458.700 518360;1392871787;greenspan_fan;anyone seriously concerned about a price collapse if it turns out most exchanges were as incompetent as mt gox? 518361;1392871806;mircea_popescu;not really. 518362;1392871822;Chris_Sabian;dont think that is possible 518363;1392871826;mircea_popescu;people thought silk road is fundamental to bitcoin value. it closed, no ill effects recorded. 518364;1392871840;greenspan_fan;there were ill effects, but it was kinda priced in at that point 518365;1392871841;mircea_popescu;people imagine exchanges are fundamental to bitcoin price. they'll close, no ill effects to be recorded. 518366;1392871843;Chris_Sabian;save the drop in price from 135-88-120 518367;1392871850;asciilifeform;(for anyone unfamiliar with 'djvu', it's an old but irreplaceable format specifically for warez scans. wavelet-compressed images. no turing-complete vector rendering as in pdf.) 518368;1392871852;greenspan_fan;people immediately bought on the dip 518369;1392871922;greenspan_fan;the concern is that speculation is pretty fundamental to current price and exchanges facilitate that 518370;1392871964;mircea_popescu;speculation of the sort and type that the exchanges enable and reddit/forum/.etc support is about as fundamental to bitcoin as druggies were. 518371;1392871985;Chris_Sabian;look the last 2 steep rises, april and nov-dec. the price shot up then peaked and dropped to ~1/2 value 518372;1392872002;Chris_Sabian;it stayed that way for several months 518373;1392872039;greenspan_fan;it kinda depends if it's past the point where adoption is widespread enough to sustain an economy w/o needing easy conversion between fiat and btc 518374;1392872046;asciilifeform;perhaps if the public exchanges perish, people will be cured of the habit of treating 'btc price in X' as a scalar. 518375;1392872063;benkay;dat fuzzy probability zone 518376;1392872069;benkay;"how much does a bitcoin cost?" 518377;1392872072;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan "adoption" means something strictly different from pageviews 518378;1392872084;mircea_popescu;bitcoin's adoption among people worth six digits or less is irrelevant. 518379;1392872086;benkay;"how good is your WOT?" 518380;1392872090;Chris_Sabian;http://coinmap.org/ 518381;1392872091;ozbot;CoinMap 518382;1392872100;asciilifeform;what does cocaine cost. or, for that matter, aluminum. 518383;1392872106;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and perhaps we'll be fucking rid of all the forum investors. 518384;1392872108;mircea_popescu;im all for it. 518385;1392872120;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu worth how? I have less than 100 000 btc, for example 518386;1392872130;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan dollah i meant. 518387;1392872240;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is like, you know, reactionary, conservative, evil, sane. you're either rich or smart or invisible. 518388;1392872247;asciilifeform;the answer here, i suspect, depends on whether you like the taste of bullocks. 518389;1392872255;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform more like cats. 518390;1392872280;mircea_popescu;bullocks would be ok, but the "six digits or less" is equal to saying in that other context "60 kgs or over" 518391;1392872294;greenspan_fan;but it's also pretty experimental, is the thing 518392;1392872299;mircea_popescu;so is atc. 518393;1392872374;greenspan_fan;there's a few things like mathematical breakthroughs re: hash functions or serious bugs in the client that could tank the price 518394;1392872383;mircea_popescu;definitely. 518395;1392872397;mircea_popescu;serious bugs not so much, really. 518396;1392872399;greenspan_fan;(or, if you prefer, value) and it's hard to account for those 518397;1392872405;mircea_popescu;hash function can be a huge problem. 518398;1392872427;mircea_popescu;this incidentally is why bitcoin addresses are encoded so layeredly. 518399;1392872445;mircea_popescu;even if you somehow bash one hash function in, you still don't really have enough yet 518400;1392872452;mircea_popescu;and stuff will have to be emergency-migrated. 518401;1392872472;greenspan_fan;if you're able to break SHA-256 you'd end up w/ a majority of the hashing power if you were smart 518402;1392872478;greenspan_fan;then couldn't you block the migration? 518403;1392872485;chetty;https://discuss.financialjuice.com/uploads/default/1300/009b0c1ddc148fee.jpg 518404;1392872502;mircea_popescu;not practically. 518405;1392872515;mircea_popescu;if your crack is not known, then maybe for a while you can benefit from it. 518406;1392872534;mircea_popescu;if it IS known however the code will just be patched to take it out, and people will move on the new system for cause 518407;1392872540;mircea_popescu;and you can do whatever you want on the old chain. 518408;1392872564;greenspan_fan;but how do you coordinate moving to the new system? and what if that takes too long? 518409;1392872575;mircea_popescu;it takes all of five minutes 518410;1392872587;mircea_popescu;"hi guise, here is problem, here is patch, pls install so and so" 518411;1392872603;greenspan_fan;I think you're underestimating how hard it would be to patch 518412;1392872614;mircea_popescu;or maybe you overestimate. 518413;1392872622;mircea_popescu;what's the thinking ? 518414;1392872645;mircea_popescu;(your q was as to coordinate moving, not as to patching, mind) 518415;1392872657;greenspan_fan;well look at transaction malleability; doesn't seem like a huge problem, but it hasn't been fixed yet 518416;1392872666;mircea_popescu;well ? 518417;1392872674;Apocalyptic;it's not an issue 518418;1392872682;mircea_popescu;when you say sha was breached you're not describing some nitnoy thing nobody cares about. 518419;1392872699;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.48101 = 0.962 BTC [-] 518420;1392872741;greenspan_fan;well yeah, but there comes a point when subverting btc is the most profitable use of a breakthrough, hence the first thing it'd be used for 518421;1392872749;mircea_popescu;so ? 518422;1392872780;greenspan_fan;in the interim between breach, patch being devised and patch being promulgated, you'd have zero activity 518423;1392872810;mircea_popescu;so you would. 518424;1392872824;greenspan_fan;and that doesn't constitute a huge problem? 518425;1392872825;Duffer1;that assumes a patch hasn't already been made 518426;1392872832;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan not really. bitcoin is not visa. 518427;1392872882;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu as you say, not a problem for reasonably wealthy individuals, but it means that if you don't already have a lot of fiat currency, you can't rely on bitcoin 518428;1392872896;Duffer1;software changes, it'd be annoying sure and the media shitfest will be epic, but neither of those things matter 518429;1392872919;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan not sure if you ever read http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#comment-92015 ? 518430;1392872934;greenspan_fan;one sec, finding a new proxy... 518431;1392872935;mircea_popescu;and no, you should not rely on bitcoin. this has been explicitly stated since day one. bitcoin is not here for you to rely on. 518432;1392873057;benkay;greenspan_fan: you don't need credits for comments. 518433;1392873064;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06800001 = 0.136 BTC [-] 518434;1392873087;KRS-One;.bait 518435;1392873089;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/0230a601ff554ecdd6d2941552f4d89f/tumblr_msi3siUEvs1r1rxrbo1_500.jpg 518436;1392873298;greenspan_fan;OK, so the contention is that things that are faster to process (such as cash or credit) are expected to allow for retail level/immediate transaction, while btc is more of a long term store of value, right? 518437;1392873397;mircea_popescu;well, more of a long term slower moving thing yeah 518438;1392873412;mircea_popescu;let's do some napkin calculations here. 518439;1392873426;greenspan_fan;brb, all I have is paper 518440;1392873432;mircea_popescu;built-in ccp delay on a payment, ~1 second. built in btc delay on a payment, ~10 minutes. 518441;1392873450;mircea_popescu;tolerable ccp service outage, ~one day, from experience so far. 518442;1392873462;mircea_popescu;thus therefore, tolerable btc outage should be something like 2 years. 518443;1392873508;greenspan_fan;absent some other similar currency overtaking it due to the delay 518444;1392873508;mircea_popescu;obviously presuming liniarty and so on and so forth, but just for the sake of it. 518445;1392873525;greenspan_fan;which is the case for the short term 518446;1392873530;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan well presumably whatever suspends btc suspends all btc-likes 518447;1392873536;mircea_popescu;otherwise btc is just borkt and needs fixing 518448;1392873553;asciilifeform;time to digest a meal: ~6 hours. does that mean that one should be able to go without meal for ~72 yrs? 518449;1392873555;benkay;not that this actually prevents anyone from exchanging btc, provided they're sufficiently trusty 518450;1392873564;benkay;"here - take this pre-signed transaction" 518451;1392873575;mircea_popescu;benkay actually, no trust needed. 518452;1392873584;benkay;now, you're dependent on the technical ability of your counterparty to track and not double-spend. 518453;1392873586;mircea_popescu;"here, take this pre-signed tx, put it in your block" 518454;1392873606;mircea_popescu;i mean, we can do blockchain propagation and mining via email ffs. 518455;1392873621;mircea_popescu;this was actually tested back in the old days of mpoe, works just fine. 518456;1392873625;benkay;well what does it mean for bitcoin to be stopped!? 518457;1392873631;mircea_popescu;ikr? 518458;1392873671;asciilifeform;is there a scenario with 'paper & pencil btc' that does not reduce to simply 'Hawala' ? 518459;1392873673;benkay;i'm going back to figuring out how to represent a 32-bit int in ragel on java. 518460;1392873682;mircea_popescu;fucking java. 518461;1392873704;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if one takes a conceptual hawala rather than any particular historical implementation, no. 518462;1392873704;benkay;you can say that again. 518463;1392873709;benkay;"stench of the cube farm" 518464;1392873712;mircea_popescu;course this is more of a case of hawala reduces to bitcoin 518465;1392873763;greenspan_fan;Well, given the above, I expect that btc is just a placeholder for something that will have numerous quantitative technical improvements. 518466;1392873772;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> time to digest a meal: ~6 hours. does that mean that one should be able to go without meal for ~72 yrs << yes, if they were a payment processor. 518467;1392873783;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan so did satoshi. 518468;1392873791;mircea_popescu;reality does not care what we expect, turns out. 518469;1392873801;benkay;i expect a new whore at the door 518470;1392873814;greenspan_fan;how does one calculate EV in whores? 518471;1392873821;asciilifeform;to go back to the 'peasant never saw a gold coin' scenario. a peasant, correct. how about a shipyard? 518472;1392873843;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan not clear, but er is the clap. 518473;1392873848;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform go on ? 518474;1392873864;asciilifeform;idea being, gold was never purely a long-term store 518475;1392873918;greenspan_fan;at some point, you need to be able to exchange for things to have value 518476;1392873945;benkay;but the "you" here can vary, and does not include pizzas 518477;1392873945;asciilifeform;one can picture a degenerate case - e.g. hydrogen bomb 518478;1392873975;benkay;more like "o now i have credit for a billion pizzas at this local bitcoin brokerage" 518479;1392873975;greenspan_fan;wouldn't the degenerate case be a strangelet? 518480;1392874020;asciilifeform;in the sense of the ultimate 'trading sardine' 518481;1392874052;asciilifeform;(strongly negative 'use value') 518482;1392874114;asciilifeform;trying to think of items which act as store of value in some useful sense without really being spendable 518483;1392874155;asciilifeform;and whether the phrase 'store of value' even makes sense here. 518484;1392874186;greenspan_fan;perhaps things that would fall under the category of intellectual property? 518485;1392874215;benkay;it's arguably only contextual in a world in which nobody can really ant their hard work away. 518486;1392874218;greenspan_fan;I can't spend "knowing how to make an engine", but knowing that I can do that (and having the plans/information to do so) stores value 518487;1392874219;benkay;or rather it's astronomically difficult to do so. 518488;1392874305;asciilifeform;we can talk about 'storing energy' and come to rational conclusions about physically-real things (e.g. organisms.) and then we can talk about storing 'value', and end up with pseudo-scientific strange... 518489;1392874313;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan this seems to me a completely unwarranted generalisation that actrually breaks logic. 518490;1392874334;mircea_popescu;no, it does not "store value" any more than "empathy" as used by the libertard is either human or virtuous. 518491;1392874337;asciilifeform;'value' is phlogiston. 518492;1392874363;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu you're right, it does seem to beg the question... 518493;1392874407;greenspan_fan;trying to define why something is valuable is hard enough without also restricting the ability to spend it 518494;1392874413;mircea_popescu;not that there's anything wrong with trying anything and everything on the beast. 518495;1392874426;mircea_popescu;roughly we're in the situation of "dragon moved in hillside next to village" 518496;1392874433;mircea_popescu;threowing a virgin that way once or twice is sensible. 518497;1392874494;asciilifeform;to complete the picture, 'dragon' turns out to be a peculiarly-shaped active volcano. 518498;1392874506;mircea_popescu;no it's a dragon 518499;1392874511;mircea_popescu;you're just looking at its zit. 518500;1392874517;asciilifeform;precisely that. 518501;1392874599;mircea_popescu; idea being, gold was never purely a long-term store <<< this will need fleshing out. 518502;1392874605;mircea_popescu;seems to me it was purely a long term store. 518503;1392874611;mircea_popescu;people short-term stored in silver. 518504;1392874703;chetty;storing value is actually a bet isn't it? That there will be a future to use it in. 518505;1392874712;mircea_popescu;that's no sort of bet. 518506;1392874717;mircea_popescu;if there's no future you've not lost anything. 518507;1392874741;greenspan_fan;opportunity cost, assuming you could store elsewhere, which you can 518508;1392874744;chetty;yeah you have, the use today of whatever you stored 518509;1392874817;greenspan_fan;btc will continue to be valuable because it has previously been valuable and there's the expectation that, over some acceptable time period, you can exchange it 518510;1392874885;greenspan_fan;the uncertainty comes from the second part, because it's a new protocol and it's difficult to predict what might impact your ability to exchange it 518511;1392874963;greenspan_fan;the things I'm thinking of are either flaws in the protocol, flaws in the software, concerted regulation or an attack via a sufficiently powerful adversary 518512;1392875013;asciilifeform;the common factor between btc and gold, etc. is (no surprise to anyone, i hope) - behaviour as a closed (i.e. conserved) system, and easily verified as such 518513;1392875072;greenspan_fan;how much would it cost to get enough hashing power to wreck the network? how long would you have to disrupt the network before it becomes far less valuable? 518514;1392875088;asciilifeform;recommended reading: the different ways in which self-proclaimed alchemists were treated in various times and places. 518515;1392875096;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan it's not strictly a matter of cost. 518516;1392875108;mircea_popescu;people are currently desperate to buy stuff to wreck the network with 518517;1392875110;mircea_popescu;noone's selling. 518518;1392875133;mircea_popescu;the computational cost of the network has been calculated, on trilema, it was scary back then. it's way worse now. 518519;1392875157;asciilifeform;this is predicated on the assumption of brute force, though. 518520;1392875159;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/things-that-matter-these-days-things-that-dont-matter-these-days/ 518521;1392875160;ozbot;Things that matter these days ; things that don’t matter these days. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mirce 518522;1392875162;mircea_popescu;article in question. 518523;1392875167;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well sure. 518524;1392875202;greenspan_fan;as an example, if you were paypal, could you afford to design, build, and power enough asics to wreck the network? 518525;1392875236;mircea_popescu;look throguh the math there, do your own calculations. 518526;1392875255;BingoBoingo;Depends on who finds the shortcut. If someone manages to math in a way that a GPU hashes like an army of buttfuries, they may just quietly collect coins. coins. 518527;1392875292;mircea_popescu;then someone emulates quantum computers in a zx80 emulator emularted within a gpu card and bam 518528;1392875392;mircea_popescu;ahahaha von-schlep 518529;1392875398;asciilifeform;any one of you folks who wants to actually give this a go, scroll up the log to find the n-sat solver... haha 518530;1392875445;asciilifeform;'...the first woodpecker would destroy civilization' - but he can't be arsed. 518531;1392875462;greenspan_fan;it's a question of economics-- is subverting a cryptocurrency worth more to you than profiting from it? 518532;1392875489;asciilifeform;'some just wanna watch it burn' 518533;1392875535;greenspan_fan;"if you want a picture of the future, it's us collecting a 3% transaction fee... forever" 518534;1392875709;mircea_popescu;http://minigame.bz/eulora/binaries/ << new eulora release. 518535;1392875727;mircea_popescu;includes source. davout pankkake 518536;1392875743;mircea_popescu;and i forget who else was asking me about it. 518537;1392875762;mircea_popescu;it also includes basic crafting and skill training and harvesting and recipes and stuff. 518538;1392875780;mod6;cool! 518539;1392875799;greenspan_fan;what is it? 518540;1392875900;chetty;greenspan_fan, eulora, mmorpg 518541;1392875996;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: can you quickly say, what is the largest number of legal moves possible for one chess player, in any position? 518542;1392876016;BingoBoingo;I cannot. 518543;1392876024;asciilifeform;(i can easily estimate an upper bound, using 'ah he has 16 queens') 518544;1392876057;asciilifeform;idly wondering about a 'provably fair' blockchain chess-for-coin 518545;1392876060;asciilifeform;as i fall asleep 518546;1392876082;BingoBoingo;Sure, but tightening that upper bound gets messy. Even 16 queens block each other, restricting movement. 518547;1392876098;asciilifeform;sure 518548;1392876165;asciilifeform;my 1st thought was 'referee has canonical enumerator for legal moves. player moves by encoding integer M' 518549;1392876178;asciilifeform;'first player who cannot M > 0 lost' 518550;1392876187;asciilifeform;but then, repeated-move stalemates 518551;1392876198;asciilifeform;and the like 518552;1392876252;BingoBoingo;That could work. 518553;1392876253;asciilifeform;(for completeness of picture, first player who moves with M' > M (illegal) also lost. clearly.) 518554;1392876296;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan http://trilema.com/category/smg/ 518555;1392876296;asciilifeform;if the bip-whatever voodoo mentioned earlier actually gets baked into the blockchain, one could conceivably play this game 518556;1392876306;asciilifeform;without a referee 518557;1392876347;BingoBoingo;Then there's the part where M=0 stalemates exist. 518558;1392876352;asciilifeform;(the pot would automagically move to the winner) 518559;1392876358;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no because each game could only be played once ? 518560;1392876387;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: moves would be carried out by sending to an addr generated for the purpose 518561;1392876400;mircea_popescu;uh 518562;1392876401;asciilifeform;low bits of sum <-> move 518563;1392876423;asciilifeform;winner keeps the total 518564;1392876445;asciilifeform;of course, this is foolish, because we've the angels but not the pin-head. 518565;1392876449;asciilifeform;unless i'm missing something. 518566;1392876620;BingoBoingo;Well, it would require all four low digits. 518567;1392876654;asciilifeform;sure, for a low stake game, the moves are the pot. 518568;1392876692;asciilifeform;you could play this right now, sans voodoo, and it would look quite like the 'provably fair' dice widgets 518569;1392876726;asciilifeform;(someone is driving the payouts, but you can trivially verify, having only the blockchain, that he never did anything other than the Right Thing) 518570;1392876765;asciilifeform;hell, no fancy encodings needed, just stuff normal algebraic notation in 518571;1392876774;BingoBoingo;Right. 518572;1392876775;moiety;yay a new way i could lose? 518573;1392876804;asciilifeform;(12 bits) 518574;1392876895;asciilifeform;this is so trivial, that if it does not already exist, it is purely from lack of interest in the game 518575;1392876969;asciilifeform;is worth considering even if you don't like to play for coin. encourages slow games... 518576;1392876976;BingoBoingo;Sure. 518577;1392877212;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5049 BTC [+] 518578;1392877334;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5049 BTC [+] 518579;1392877395;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5049 BTC [+] 518580;1392877776;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/krtek_net/status/436386804372344832 518581;1392877777;ozbot;Twitter / krtek_net: Mtgox is sorting orders, waiiting ... 518582;1392877780;mircea_popescu;lmao check out this shit. 518583;1392877839;mircea_popescu;who was asking about "interveaving" ? 518584;1392877910;benkay;intervaging 518585;1392877957;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bloctoc there is oyur answer : it stopped dropping because they've stopped executing orders under X value. 518586;1392877958;gribble;The operation succeeded. 518587;1392877968;mircea_popescu;if you put an order to sell they'll just delay it until someone bids enough. 518588;1392878037;benkay;thereby guaranteeing a rapid dissolution of fractional reserve? 518589;1392878053;benkay;"oops! guess we ran out." 518590;1392878114;BingoBoingo;I'm impressed it took them this long. 518591;1392878136;mircea_popescu;benkay all it seems it'd do would be cut down volume 518592;1392878161;mircea_popescu;i suppose maybe maintain the appearance of things working in the eyes of complete noobs for an extra... hours ? coupla days ? 518593;1392878179;benkay;is there a bitbet on capitulation? 518594;1392878210;mircea_popescu;not afaik 518595;1392878371;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06801 = 0.204 BTC [+] 518596;1392878432;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.068 = 0.272 BTC [-] 518597;1392878437;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/smg-eulora-v004/ << 518598;1392878438;ozbot;S.MG - Eulora v0.0.4 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 518599;1392878616;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10199999 BTC [+] 518600;1392879164;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00086615 = 26.331 BTC [+] 518601;1392879652;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [-] 518602;1392879842;moiety;people are so ridiculous. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/japan-woman-chased-by-stampeding-herd-rabbits-video-1437033 they say she makes a lucky escape.... 518603;1392879851;moiety;she's fucking feeding them! 518604;1392879934;BingoBoingo;If it can happen to Jimmy Carter. 518605;1392880172;moiety;lol! i didn't know about this "incident" 518606;1392880201;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48112 BTC [-] 518607;1392880202;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00086609 = 7.8814 BTC [-] {2} 518608;1392880203;moiety;was not disappointed! lol wiki has a pic of the rabbit "swimming away from the President" ffs lol 518609;1392880605;BingoBoingo;Bunnies make the perfect sleeper agents 518610;1392880790;moiety;i thought it was hilarious when they accused the downing street cat of being a spy 518611;1392880811;moiety;it had been missing and turned up one day randomly where it shouldn't have been, so they got all suspicious of it lol 518612;1392881029;BingoBoingo;Well the sufficiently paranoid could assume a bug was sewn into the cat. 518613;1392881073;moiety;yep exactly what they thought 518614;1392881075;moiety;http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/06/10/is-george-osbornes-cat-freya-chinese-spy_n_3415629.html 518615;1392881075;ozbot;Is George Osborne's Cat Freya A Chinese Spy? 518616;1392881079;moiety;she had been gone 3 years 518617;1392881107;moiety;poor cat 518618;1392881177;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.48095233 = 4.3286 BTC [-] {6} 518619;1392881326;mircea_popescu;all this derpage re @wesuck or whatever that thing's called reads to me a lot like "o hey we here at dead-fiat-ventures wish to make a last stand against this evil bitcoin empire" 518620;1392881352;mircea_popescu;"we still work! look! please! care!" 518621;1392881507;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The gawker rag Valleyway (the one with hedgec0k) has been running some lulzy bitcoin stuff you should probably have one of the girls archive. 518622;1392881532;mircea_popescu;nah, that's one of those venues which gets blacklisted in integrum. 518623;1392881546;mircea_popescu;makes little difference what anyone working for gawker actually said, having worked for it is enough. 518624;1392881609;mircea_popescu;maybe fleshbot being an exception or w/e. 518625;1392881647;BingoBoingo;I could see Deadspin surviving with Fleshbot. 518626;1392881688;mircea_popescu;fun fact : back in 2008 (ie, as the crisis hit) denton suspended their bonus package. 518627;1392881697;mircea_popescu;133 people were sharing about 50k a month in bonuses 518628;1392881709;mircea_popescu;rationale being "nobody gives a shit about pageviews" 518629;1392881727;mircea_popescu;;;calc 50000 / 133 / 650 518630;1392881727;gribble;0.578368999422 518631;1392881744;mircea_popescu;half a bitcoin a month on average. how's that for a bonus. 518632;1392881774;BingoBoingo;A half a Bitcoin is pretty sweet. The equivalent in shitbucks not so much. 518633;1392881833;mircea_popescu;but hey, you know. cocksuckers making enough to pay for either their own coffee or their own sugar opine on matters. 518634;1392881906;greenspan_fan;I wonder if the opining actually shapes matters, like, at all? 518635;1392881923;greenspan_fan;because the self-perception of influence is part of the compensation 518636;1392881934;BingoBoingo;Eh, at least Gawker has some elements like Fleshbot that could survive. Huffington post and Buzzfeed though, lack even that. 518637;1392881967;greenspan_fan;I think you underestimate how easy a content aggregator is to run 518638;1392881991;greenspan_fan;if all your "employees" work for free, then everything else is profit 518639;1392881996;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan the self-perception of importance is pretty much the whole of the compensation. 518640;1392882008;mircea_popescu;the influence however, is exactly zero. 518641;1392882058;greenspan_fan;I worked at one point for a place that was getting into social media, but once you're out of that sort of giddy milieu it just doesn't seem like it's much of a priority 518642;1392882061;mircea_popescu;i mean sure, steal and distribute warez, get qt pissed off. 518643;1392882070;mircea_popescu;but in that sense piratebay eats their cookie. 518644;1392882073;BingoBoingo;I think we should replace this "content aggregating" with pankakke's brilliant term "assass" 518645;1392882085;greenspan_fan;ass as a service? 518646;1392882088;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 518647;1392882109;BingoBoingo;Of course. 518648;1392882147;greenspan_fan;amazing idea: netflix for prostitution 518649;1392882147;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 518650;1392882152;BingoBoingo;The original assass contains interesting things. The lesser assasses AOL it up. 518651;1392882153;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.46286778 = 8.3316 BTC [-] {8} 518652;1392882221;greenspan_fan;I already have a tagline: the world's newest profession 518653;1392882245;greenspan_fan;is y combinator taking applications? 518654;1392882267;mircea_popescu;sure. 518655;1392882321;greenspan_fan;I think it would be worthwhile to apply w/ that idea, like a startup version of the sokal affair 518656;1392882326;BingoBoingo;greenspan_fan: To my knowledge they process applications in batches. Kind of like the Army except without the filtering to keep bona fide retards out of camp. 518657;1392882336;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.461 = 1.844 BTC [-] 518658;1392882397;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.461 = 3.688 BTC [-] {2} 518659;1392882580;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00086434 = 17.5893 BTC [-] 518660;1392882613;mircea_popescu;all you have to do is convincingly suck up. 518661;1392882628;mircea_popescu;go identify who the guys involved are, send girls to fuck each of them, 518662;1392882634;mircea_popescu;then get the girls together for the public pitch 518663;1392882636;mircea_popescu;you're in. 518664;1392882661;mircea_popescu;play the "womenz in tech" angle for maximum butthurt later on. 518665;1392882735;chetty;womenz in tech is an angle?? 518666;1392882755;greenspan_fan;hopefully an acute one, HA HA HA HA HA 518667;1392882759;BingoBoingo;In the People 518668;1392882760;mircea_popescu;for these schmucks it's nothing but an angle. 518669;1392882768;BingoBoingo;'s Republic of California it is 518670;1392882861;greenspan_fan;is it really? or is that just something that everyone pretends to value because the alternative is constant broadsides from the SJ crowd? 518671;1392882911;chetty;does any real person care what the SJ crowd does/says? 518672;1392882932;greenspan_fan;maybe? I honestly can't tell 518673;1392882942;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan well, it's like in any socialist state : some people go along because they hope to get something from it, 518674;1392882946;mircea_popescu;most just nod it off. 518675;1392882987;mircea_popescu;there are entire career paths financed on the public dole which consist of nothing but pretending like the crap matters, 518676;1392882998;mircea_popescu;and so... you know, economic recovery. we've hired more people to do nothing, go us. 518677;1392883190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.0008669 = 14.6073 BTC [+] {3} 518678;1392883413;BingoBoingo;Well, a lot of roads I have little occasion look much more impressive than they used to. Doesn't offer much utility though. 518679;1392883434;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.068 = 0.272 BTC [-] 518680;1392883495;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06700111 = 0.402 BTC [-] {3} 518681;1392884105;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.46100001 = 1.844 BTC [+] 518682;1392884349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00086724 = 20.0766 BTC [+] {2} 518683;1392884553;greenspan_fan;any recommendations for bulk image viewers for OS X? 518684;1392884575;greenspan_fan;I have an absurd number of graphs in assorted subdirectories... 518685;1392885264;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.46100001 = 1.844 BTC [+] {2} 518686;1392885386;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.461 = 0.922 BTC [-] 518687;1392885508;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.46 = 6.9 BTC [-] {3} 518688;1392885813;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.451 BTC [-] 518689;1392885935;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4501 BTC [-] 518690;1392886536;cazalla;that gox bet is looking good now 518691;1392886606;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 244 @ 0.00479645 = 1.1703 BTC [-] {17} 518692;1392886667;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.45 = 6.75 BTC [-] {2} 518693;1392887076;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Which one? link plox 518694;1392887101;cazalla;http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/ 518695;1392887200;BingoBoingo;cazalla: It actually looked better days ago when I pointed it out to KRS-One 518696;1392887217;cazalla;would've been a nice no 11 months ago 518697;1392887279;cazalla;guessing it'll still resolve as yes 518698;1392887332;BingoBoingo;Well, if Gox keeps their order matching shennanigans up 518699;1392887827;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/436429248740728832 518700;1392887828;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @Falkvinge @kLee1977 I'll bet ... 518701;1392887834;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i can't find people to take these easy bets with 518702;1392887841;BingoBoingo;Things like gox fucking with order matching though need to be considered in these bets. Anticipating SatoshiDice would probably not be listed on MPEx for the full length of 2013 make pushed me to put a whole BTC on S.BBet being worth more back in February. 518703;1392887888;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, you have been seasoned as a strategic consultant. 518704;1392887935;BingoBoingo;Thinking decades instead of hours. 518705;1392888002;BingoBoingo;Whatsapp is too Myspace to have value. WhatsApp embraces customers too poor for actual tools. 518706;1392888014;BingoBoingo;Kinda like Microsoft. 518707;1392888136;BingoBoingo;DE however, when fiat fails has a lot of copper and fiber. 518708;1392888154;B007;Microsoft? I don't think you know what you're talking about 518709;1392888178;BingoBoingo;B007: How little do consumers have to pay for WIndows? 518710;1392888208;B007;So? Microsoft sells to corporations 518711;1392888225;BingoBoingo;Generally Windows is bundled with a consumer machine and consumers accept that to not learn better things. 518712;1392888241;B007;true 518713;1392888272;BingoBoingo;The entire microsoft ecosystem from Basic in the 70's to nao is that doing better things is more expensive in terms of time to learn the right ways. 518714;1392888322;B007;but I don't think you can compare Microsoft to WhatsApp 518715;1392888323;BingoBoingo;Now that WIndows is so entrenched with lusers over decades, they have been able to force a sorporate ecosystem, because learning is bad Mkay. 518716;1392888342;BingoBoingo;B007: What is the problematic point? 518717;1392888415;BingoBoingo;This fake messaging network business whatsapp is in isn't too different from the fake software development tools business Microsoft started with 518718;1392888430;B007;Microsoft is vastly different from a messageing app 518719;1392888470;BingoBoingo;It wasn't at its inception. This is the old "Fake it until you make it" 30k millionaire shit. 518720;1392888496;B007;yeah 518721;1392888497;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06888867 = 0.1378 BTC [+] {2} 518722;1392888558;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06888829 = 0.3444 BTC [-] {2} 518723;1392888563;BingoBoingo;The thing is there just aren't opportunites to do this anymore really. 518724;1392888573;B007;sure there are 518725;1392888655;B007;you are in the wrong business son 518726;1392888713;BingoBoingo;Maybe, but I'm not in the wrong business that Facebook and Whatsapp are 518727;1392888724;B007;advertising? 518728;1392888759;BingoBoingo;B007: Deception. THey are in the deception business. 518729;1392888766;B007;hshs 518730;1392889019;BingoBoingo;http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/02/20/0312253/math-models-predicted-global-uprisings 518731;1392889021;ozbot;Math Models Predicted Global Uprisings - Slashdot 518732;1392889765;mircea_popescu;what was the lowest consumer license for windoze, like 50 bux ? 518733;1392889839;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: For OEMs I hink I've read it goes down to at least $25 518734;1392889851;mircea_popescu;nominally 518735;1392889857;mircea_popescu;prolly goes down to 25 by going up to 90 518736;1392889903;BingoBoingo;Well, MS's money comes largely from WIndows volume and selling Office and Visual studio. 518737;1392889979;BingoBoingo;MS's priority for WIndows has to be keeping the number of Windows installs up to keep selling Office and Visual Studios. 518738;1392890055;chetty;I really fail to understand why anyone would still be using windows 518739;1392890118;BingoBoingo;chetty: Inertia and aversion to learning I imagine. 518740;1392890147;mircea_popescu;"it just works" 518741;1392890152;mircea_popescu;no wait, that's the other one. 518742;1392890179;BingoBoingo;The other one hasn't just worked since version 7.5.1 518743;1392890252;BingoBoingo;Windows seems more to just be a fear of any other name. Call it pudding and they will ignore it is shit. 518744;1392890304;mircea_popescu;goatse.os 518745;1392890373;mircea_popescu;i have a new formula for computing the market value of bitcoin 518746;1392890388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31100 @ 0.00086842 = 27.0079 BTC [+] {3} 518747;1392890391;mircea_popescu;number of articles published discussing bitcoin / number of sensible things said. 518748;1392890397;mircea_popescu;it works for all currencies pretty much. 518749;1392890421;mircea_popescu;when bitcoin gets close to about pi it's time to sell. 518750;1392890571;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.00453677 = 0.4083 BTC [-] {8} 518751;1392890632;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 79 @ 0.00433875 = 0.3428 BTC [-] {7} 518752;1392890789;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: So atm RSS beats herbi? 518753;1392890800;mircea_popescu;how's that ? 518754;1392890859;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It give you articles published on bitcoin. Reading gives you the sensible things. Then math. 518755;1392890877;mircea_popescu;i read very little and understand even less. 518756;1392890980;BingoBoingo;Isn't that what the girls are for? 518757;1392891073;mircea_popescu;i was talking to a friend earlier and i said "tis hard being a woman". she retorted "yeah, not only our brains don't work but tits and asses both droop with time too!" 518758;1392891092;mircea_popescu;it's hard all around my brothar. hard times. 518759;1392891209;MisterE;MS got teh Enterprise 518760;1392891216;MisterE;and thats what matters 518761;1392891219;mircea_popescu;actually it 518762;1392891227;BingoBoingo;MisterE: for some definitions of enterprise. 518763;1392891228;mircea_popescu;s been making huge gains on webhosting. 518764;1392891229;MisterE;when you're stacking Benjis 518765;1392891238;MisterE;^ 518766;1392891267;MisterE;hate to say it but Azure was good before the upgrade now I hear no complaints 518767;1392891286;MisterE;coz I root for the to fail heh 518768;1392891287;BingoBoingo;Is Microsoft actually making gains or are the finally moving Hotmail off of FreeBSD 518769;1392891329;mircea_popescu;seems a combination of really shitty hosting and people running servers on their home broadband 518770;1392891393;BingoBoingo;Well all of those spam sites need to point .info and .pw domains somewhere. 518771;1392891679;Namworld;https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20140220-Announcement.pdf 518772;1392891684;Namworld;Exclusive news 518773;1392891697;Namworld;Before it's posted officially. 518774;1392891714;Namworld;They should change their pdf naming standard. 518775;1392891723;mircea_popescu;jajaja 518776;1392891726;mircea_popescu;well done 518777;1392891785;mircea_popescu;Namworld ty, i dumped it on twitter :D 518778;1392891865;Namworld;It's posted now it seems on gox. 518779;1392891892;Namworld;Well that was quick. 518780;1392891991;mircea_popescu;lol 518781;1392892110;wao-ender;:D 518782;1392892231;Namworld;This announcement is as stupid as the previous one. Who would have thought. 518783;1392892234;BingoBoingo;GoxBTC is headed to the CORE!!! 518784;1392892252;Namworld;Protesters were a security threat? 518785;1392892283;BingoBoingo;Namworld: They didn't want to let Mark hug out the scam accusations 518786;1392892323;mircea_popescu;such a roflmao thing 518787;1392892346;mircea_popescu;mtgox turns out to be about as good as bfl. 518788;1392892393;BingoBoingo;Well... Most people took 18 months to abandon BFL. Gox went, what... a whole 24 months before getting called out? 518789;1392892434;Namworld;Or worse 518790;1392892447;mircea_popescu;Bitcoin Foundation businesses! FTW! 518791;1392892452;Namworld;They aren't done yet proving themselves. 518792;1392892477;Namworld;They could become the best worst. 518793;1392892584;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.488 BTC [+] 518794;1392892588;mircea_popescu;this is true. 518795;1392892686;BingoBoingo;I'm still leaving the offer out there if Goldman or JPM wants to try outrunning YCombinator that I tucked in my footnotes 518796;1392892763;mircea_popescu;the problem you run into is this : they do not wish to actually matter in the world that is, they wish to instead live in a world they'd prefer. 518797;1392892779;mircea_popescu;that you can't do for them, nobody can, and so until they learn to submit you;re not going to have business there. 518798;1392892830;jurov;Sooo...infamous bitcoinbourse.eu is going to allow for trading of stocks...another lulzround begins? 518799;1392892876;jurov;But Markus is far less competent than ukyo/burnside...so prolly not. 518800;1392892944;mircea_popescu;there is a lot of competition in being the best worst. 518801;1392893011;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.10208 = 0.5104 BTC [+] {3} 518802;1392893012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00086434 = 11.0636 BTC [-] 518803;1392893016;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I watched La Terra Trema. JP Morgan will have to find a wholesaler sometime. 518804;1392893034;mircea_popescu;hehe what did you thinkl ? 518805;1392893053;BingoBoingo;It ended how the Merchant of Venice should have. 518806;1392893081;mircea_popescu;hehe 518807;1392893120;BingoBoingo;Had to watch it twice since I understand spoken Spanish survivably but Italian not so much. 518808;1392893298;ThickAsThieves;i might win! http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/ 518809;1392893319;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Which side you take, this could be thrilling 518810;1392893319;ThickAsThieves;;;ticker --market mtgox 518811;1392893320;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 150.0, Best ask: 153.216, Bid-ask spread: 3.21600, Last trade: 150.0, 24 hour volume: 67216.83064744, 24 hour low: 134.09756, 24 hour high: 276.24152, 24 hour vwap: 201.18216 518812;1392893330;ThickAsThieves;i'm on No 518813;1392893350;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: You realize the bet it for that particular day and not before. 518814;1392893363;ThickAsThieves;i know 518815;1392893367;ThickAsThieves;but they are dead 518816;1392893420;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: They were on a ventilator 9 months. Most sane courts would have unplugged the vegetable. 518817;1392893465;ThickAsThieves;"In addition to the technical issue, this week we have experienced some 518818;1392893465;ThickAsThieves;security problems, and as a result we had to relocate MtGox to our previous office building 518819;1392893465;ThickAsThieves;in Shibuya (details can be found here https://support.mtgox.com/home). The move, 518820;1392893465;ThickAsThieves;combined with some other security and technical challenges, pushed back our progress." 518821;1392893467;ThickAsThieves;lol! 518822;1392893484;ThickAsThieves;"As much as we didn’t want to only provide an “update on an update”, this is the current 518823;1392893484;ThickAsThieves;status. We are committed to solving this issue and will provide more information as soon 518824;1392893484;ThickAsThieves;as possible to keep everyone in the loop." 518825;1392893484;ThickAsThieves;" 518826;1392893484;ThickAsThieves;We are very sorry for the delays and deeply appreciate your kind understanding and 518827;1392893485;ThickAsThieves;continuous support." 518828;1392893489;ThickAsThieves;yay! 518829;1392893514;ThickAsThieves;sorry i'm delirious from randomly waking up too early cuz i had feeling itd be crashing 518830;1392893550;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: I'm only one timezone over and haven't slept yet. 518831;1392893560;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00465587 = 0.3725 BTC [-] {6} 518832;1392893623;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.48809999 = 1.9524 BTC [+] {2} 518833;1392893657;ThickAsThieves;time for bitbets on mark's freedom 518834;1392893717;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it must have subtitles neh ? 518835;1392893738;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Subtitles would have blocked too much misery from my eyes. 518836;1392893745;mircea_popescu;this is true 518837;1392893751;ThickAsThieves;;;ticker 518838;1392893753;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 597.0, Best ask: 599.58, Bid-ask spread: 2.58000, Last trade: 600.0, 24 hour volume: 22132.64616219, 24 hour low: 590.0, 24 hour high: 636.0, 24 hour vwap: 615.145591973 518839;1392893753;mircea_popescu;you know visconti had amateurs shoot the whole thing ? 518840;1392893759;mircea_popescu;those people actually lived in those houses, 518841;1392893767;mircea_popescu;if not exactly under the medieval conditions described. 518842;1392893773;ThickAsThieves;omg how do i get cash into gox someone should arb that /s 518843;1392893783;BingoBoingo;Yeah. Between viewings one and two I did the paper reading. 518844;1392893784;mircea_popescu;but when the girl is barefoot on the dirt floor, that's her own dirt floor she's barefood on. 518845;1392893805;BingoBoingo;barefood sounds much sexier than that scene. 518846;1392893844;mircea_popescu;meanwhile check out gabridome https://twitter.com/Gabridome/status/436454038251769856 518847;1392893900;BingoBoingo;Fuck, I dunno who that is. 518848;1392893906;davout;jurov: didn't he allow that earlier already? 518849;1392894021;BingoBoingo;davout: You still interested in that chess tournament? 518850;1392894034;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1641614/ 518851;1392894039;mircea_popescu;that's back in 2013. 518852;1392894063;mircea_popescu;epic ;;ticker results. 518853;1392894086;BingoBoingo;That is nearly when I made my first appearance. 518854;1392894115;cazalla;ThickAsThieves: you may! 518855;1392894126;davout;BingoBoingo: are you guys done with the first one ? 518856;1392894157;ThickAsThieves;hehe #mtgox is muted 518857;1392894182;BingoBoingo;davout: We were coming to an inevitable tiebreaker problem so we added Apocalyptic an six player could help reduce ties still further. 518858;1392894235;BingoBoingo;Caveat is the kicker I supposed for this months long tournament is expiring on the 28th, because obligations can not be kept open forever. 518859;1392894235;davout;BingoBoingo: ok, with pleasure! I can't play right now tho 518860;1392894245;BingoBoingo;davout: Neither can I. 518861;1392894248;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bf1PkUeCAAAVhe3.png 518862;1392894260;mircea_popescu;on the left vs the right, the effects of the deterioration of public schooling. 518863;1392894271;mircea_popescu;fucktards don't even know what words mean these days. 518864;1392894292;jurov;davout: previously only bourse shares were sold, not even trading them was possible. 518865;1392894303;mircea_popescu;accepting credit cards is a skill. exponential, logarithmic, this year alone or whatever else. it's all a soup. 518866;1392894328;mircea_popescu;fucking embarrassment these kids. 518867;1392894353;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: We covered dictionaries in primary school that I remember. 518868;1392894380;mircea_popescu;i'm sure they covered "issues" in primary school. 518869;1392894411;BingoBoingo;Sure. We covered tornadoes, fire, and earthquakes in that order 518870;1392894419;mircea_popescu;"WhatsApp founder Jan Koum signs deal with FB at social services office where he used to get food stamps. " 518871;1392894421;mircea_popescu;can this be more doge ? 518872;1392894435;BingoBoingo;No, this is total Doge. 518873;1392894456;mircea_popescu;"Facebook is now buying out anything that 14 year olds might use for billions of dollars. Good thing they're using stock and not real money." 518874;1392894460;BingoBoingo;A great troll campaign would be Corgis against Doge. 518875;1392894464;mircea_popescu;at least i got some sane people in my feed. 518876;1392894494;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Thing is only 3 billion in that acquisition was stock 518877;1392894518;mircea_popescu;i didn't actually dig into it. 518878;1392894531;ThickAsThieves;who is john galt? 518879;1392894566;mircea_popescu;fictional character. 518880;1392894574;mircea_popescu;hm, pussy riot is actually a punk band ?! 518881;1392894583;mircea_popescu;in what fucking sense ? i thought they were pop. 518882;1392894586;BingoBoingo;Always just been a punk band. 518883;1392894599;BingoBoingo;Russia is still catching up to the 70's 518884;1392894606;ThickAsThieves;and a harem of active-ists 518885;1392894632;BingoBoingo;Next thing you will tell me Russian discos are closing in favor of night clubs 518886;1392894643;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is it punk 518887;1392894647;BingoBoingo;And then they've reached the 80's 518888;1392894663;davout;BingoBoingo: wasn't it the opposite, only 3bn in cash? 518889;1392894663;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, 518890;1392894664;mircea_popescu;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/weird-news/viking-apocalypse-end-of-the-world-predicted-to-happen-on-saturday-but-dont-cancel-your-weekend-plans-yet-9138092.html?origin=internalSearch 518891;1392894664;ozbot;Viking apocalypse: End of the world predicted to happen on Saturday (but don't cancel your weekend 518892;1392894666;ThickAsThieves;it's punk cuz they can only make music with their thumbs 518893;1392894667;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Horses and beedles. 518894;1392894672;BingoBoingo;*needles 518895;1392894729;mircea_popescu;Virgin Mary, Mother of God, put Putin away Рut Putin away, put Putin away 518896;1392894729;mircea_popescu;Black robe, golden epaulettes All parishioners crawl to bow The phantom of liberty is in heaven Gay-pride sent to Siberia in chains 518897;1392894729;mircea_popescu; 518898;1392894729;mircea_popescu;The head of the KGB, their chief saint, Leads protesters to prison under escort In order not to offend His Holiness Women must give birth and love 518899;1392894734;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo does this sound like punk to you ? 518900;1392894735;BingoBoingo;davout: I might have to read again, because vodka. Shame you can't play chess nao. 518901;1392894740;ThickAsThieves;http://imgur.com/5hdErlO 518902;1392894740;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 518903;1392894760;mircea_popescu;Virgin Mary, Mother of God, become a feminist 518904;1392894760;mircea_popescu;Become a feminist, become a feminist 518905;1392894771;mircea_popescu;this is not punk lol. this is lib-pop. 518906;1392894772;davout;BingoBoingo: i'm pondering whether i should play myself or let my little brother play against you 518907;1392894779;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Sounds more metal. 518908;1392894791;mircea_popescu;metal. women. what ? 518909;1392894792;BingoBoingo;davout: Honestly it is prolly more about timing 518910;1392894807;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Nothing is more metal than a miscarriage stage show. 518911;1392894810;davout;BingoBoingo: no, my lil bro would probably beat me to a pulp 518912;1392894828;davout;BingoBoingo: what timezone are you in? 518913;1392894837;davout;US West? 518914;1392894843;mircea_popescu;get out, pussy is not metal. 518915;1392894845;BingoBoingo;davout: If we go on those criteria I could prolly hire a jew, but I am GMT -6 518916;1392894845;davout;east i meant 518917;1392894868;BingoBoingo;Equivalent of US central 518918;1392894950;BingoBoingo;davout: I have to warn you though that I have lost to Namworld (though truffles beat Namworld) 518919;1392894980;davout;what do you use to keep track of the board's state ? 518920;1392894991;BingoBoingo;davout: Algrbraic notation. 518921;1392894999;BingoBoingo;Post moves in channel 518922;1392895002;davout;to keep track of, not to communicate 518923;1392895018;davout;as in, i don't have an actual board at hand to do this 518924;1392895019;BingoBoingo;Oh, I set up a board on the floor next to my desk 518925;1392895022;davout;haha 518926;1392895024;davout;ok 518927;1392895029;BingoBoingo;Other people use web tools 518928;1392895038;davout;we're getting there 518929;1392895055;jurov;davout: have you seen my question why b-c isn't listed anywhere? 518930;1392895068;davout;jurov: no 518931;1392895091;davout;where is it? 518932;1392895106;mircea_popescu;The $19 billion deal -- $12 billion in stock, $4 billion in cash and $3 billion in restricted shares 518933;1392895107;jurov;Ok :) so am asking now, why it't not on btccharts nor bitcoinity? 518934;1392895111;mircea_popescu;so there we go. 518935;1392895139;davout;jurov: because i haven't put in the time yet to re-enable their API 518936;1392895155;davout;i tried to push the job on pankkake 518937;1392895226;jurov;Well. And maintaining x.eur asks are pushed on whom? 518938;1392895244;jurov;Delisting imminent :D 518939;1392895255;davout;lolwut 518940;1392895272;jurov;Atm all asks are mine. 518941;1392895287;mircea_popescu;davout fb buying snapchat. 518942;1392895299;mircea_popescu;oops i mean webchat 518943;1392895305;mircea_popescu;uh. 518944;1392895307;mircea_popescu;something. 518945;1392895308;davout;jurov: lemme have a look 518946;1392895327;BingoBoingo;Eh, ATC should have stayed Openex only https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc is so dead 518947;1392895342;BingoBoingo;Nearly all orders are mine. 518948;1392895359;jurov;davout don't sweat it, i'm in teasing mood 518949;1392895361;ThickAsThieves;it never left 518950;1392895365;ThickAsThieves;trade both 518951;1392895369;ThickAsThieves;if you dare 518952;1392895375;davout;jurov: yo. i still want to know what's up 518953;1392895376;mircea_popescu;needs better advertising 518954;1392895386;davout;prolly outta BTC 518955;1392895414;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Maybe I am doing both. x-bt killed Openex volume and orders 518956;1392895415;ThickAsThieves; Hope we got something new on monday atleast. 518957;1392895422;ThickAsThieves;poor goxer 518958;1392895480;davout;jurov: oic, my bot's algo is not very evolved yet, and won't place orders if it results in executions 518959;1392895491;davout;jurov: i'll widen my spread 518960;1392895515;davout;i don't have time to work on it right now, but that's something i'll have to fix 518961;1392895551;mircea_popescu;davout that seems exactly countrary to marketmaking. 518962;1392895572;ThickAsThieves;marketcockteasing 518963;1392895574;davout;mircea_popescu: isn't that more arbitrage? 518964;1392895598;mircea_popescu;well no, marketmaker means exactly you blow out the book on a regular basis if it doesn't conform. 518965;1392895608;davout;the basic reason to this iirc is that executions that are immediate don't appear in stats 518966;1392895619;mircea_popescu;not placing orders thatd result in executions is exactly anti-mm behaviour 518967;1392895635;mircea_popescu;basically the book is ruling you. 518968;1392895636;mircea_popescu;you're supposed to rule the book 518969;1392895706;davout;not arguing that, i need some more work to work around the mpex api weirdnesses 518970;1392895776;davout;also, given the current market conditions i'm pretty ok with widening the spread anyway 518971;1392895815;davout;or i guess, instead of tracking order by order i can track aggregates 518972;1392895851;davout;ok imma lunch :-D 518973;1392895944;mircea_popescu;what weirdness is that!11 518974;1392896111;ThickAsThieves;"Congress could remove federal funding from academic institutions that decide to boycott Israel." 518975;1392896116;ThickAsThieves;alrighty 518976;1392896541;mircea_popescu;"Facebook's purchase price values each Whatsapp user at $40. Whatsapp users pay zero dollars and are not shown ads." 518977;1392896543;mircea_popescu;ook. 518978;1392896614;punkman1;they pay $0.99 per year, after the first year 518979;1392896626;mircea_popescu;i wonder how many actually are a year old. 518980;1392896668;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Most whatsapp users I know are South Asian, so few I imagine 518981;1392896854;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.06700633 = 1.1391 BTC [-] {5} 518982;1392896855;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46000002 = 0.92 BTC [-] {2} 518983;1392896880;mircea_popescu;from what i see here most of their userbase is eu. they got little azn if anything. 518984;1392896958;BingoBoingo;I thought a quarter of their userbase was split between India, Indonesia, and the Phillipines. 518985;1392896966;BingoBoingo;Also, lulz https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=471533.msg5231394#msg5231394 518986;1392897586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54947 @ 0.00086128 = 47.3248 BTC [-] 518987;1392897836;BingoBoingo;So... Ukraine and Thailand are getting still worse. Will any camwhores live through next week? 518988;1392897899;BingoBoingo;Also I am very disappointed in Micon for letting himself drop far enough to address this. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=471610.0 518989;1392898020;ThickAsThieves;"Chevron offers free pizza to make up for deadly fracking explosion" 518990;1392898107;random_cat;pizza include 10^8 year old anchovies 518991;1392898137;ThickAsThieves;in "oil" 518992;1392898179;BingoBoingo;Oh I finally found an episode of Bar Rescue with a Lie, because I am 'Murica's premier expert on Karaoke http://www.spike.com/episodes/bccp83/bar-rescue-karaoke-katastrophe-season-3-ep-308 518993;1392898382;ThickAsThieves;latest version http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1579346/000119312514058712/d562329ds1a.htm 518994;1392898494;BingoBoingo;I'm just kinda shocked by how little Micon moves me nao. 518995;1392898579;BingoBoingo;Last year I was accepting of the March madness pool that was just me and him. 518996;1392898629;BingoBoingo;This year though going to Seals with Clubs and getting bot robbed and facing a ponzi, it is hard to back an accusation because Micon does to. 518997;1392898754;ThickAsThieves;was that ever a reason to? 518998;1392898984;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you got botproof ? 518999;1392898991;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Micon used to be quite the scam early warning system/ 519000;1392898991;mircea_popescu;or more like bothunch 519001;1392899002;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: bothunch 519002;1392899015;mircea_popescu;bothunch and the naked bot lunch 519003;1392899055;BingoBoingo;The bothunch is supported by the wasteland that used to be rich cash games on seals. 519004;1392899057;davout;mircea_popescu: iirc the stat doesn't tell you about executions for orders that never hit the book 519005;1392899085;BingoBoingo;It has only been 9 months since I've been ther. 519006;1392899093;mircea_popescu;davout you know how the tracking thing works ? 519007;1392899104;davout;mircea_popescu: yeah you linked that previously to me 519008;1392899107;Bugpowder;Giddyup 519009;1392899111;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00083746 = 0.8375 BTC [+] {4} 519010;1392899126;davout;i just need to go from understanding how it works to implementing it 519011;1392899130;Bugpowder;Anyone selling goxbux??? I hear they are having a 75% off sale 519012;1392899164;davout;i didn't say it wasn't possible, i said it was handled in a way that qualifies as "a little weird" in my system 519013;1392899172;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00043542 = 0.4354 BTC [+] {10} 519014;1392899175;mircea_popescu;davout i can see that yeah 519015;1392899178;mircea_popescu;jus' checking. 519016;1392899198;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder maybe lnovy ? 519017;1392899208;davout;mircea_popescu: so to sum it all up you get a track ID from the synchronous response message 519018;1392899220;BingoBoingo;Wait, is lnovy Dashe's IRC handle? 519019;1392899225;davout;so if it isn't in your next stat you conclude it executed 519020;1392899233;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00019798 = 0.198 BTC [+] {2} 519021;1392899248;BingoBoingo;davout: That or niggers.config 519022;1392899255;davout;BingoBoingo: lolwut 519023;1392899255;KRS-One;haha 519024;1392899274;mircea_popescu;davout no. you get a track id in all executed orders. if it matches the hash of an order of yours then that hit the book and disappeared. if it doesn't then your order was on the book and got hit by someone else. 519025;1392899275;KRS-One;There have been times irl I wish I had that config file. 519026;1392899288;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo whose ? 519027;1392899314;BingoBoingo;lno *-* WTF is that Dash? 519028;1392899352;BingoBoingo;Micon though lacks the trust I offered him a year ago. 519029;1392899354;mircea_popescu;i have no idea what you are sayin 519030;1392899385;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Anil Dash. I'm trying to imagine his IRC nicks 519031;1392899392;davout;mircea_popescu: imma look into that 519032;1392899412;davout;BingoBoingo: you're drunk aren't you 519033;1392899427;BingoBoingo;davout: Credibly though. 519034;1392899435;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bg6smPtIYAAgYP8.png:large 519035;1392899456;davout;i can see drunk people. when i'm not high. 519036;1392899461;mircea_popescu;lol 519037;1392899477;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC 519038;1392899478;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00044503 = 0.2225 BTC [+] {6} 519039;1392899510;BingoBoingo;Fuck that map. Drunk chicago is a negative. Shit should be carried to Ohio and dumped in the shit river. 519040;1392899536;ThickAsThieves;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuZudZFmRgw&list=UUAAgMYqyzm_kT2tgI3HPE2A&feature=c4-overview Mark's cat is named Tibane, like the gox co 519041;1392899537;ozbot;Tibane's new house (first attempt) - YouTube 519042;1392899538;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.0008518 = 0.8518 BTC [+] {4} 519043;1392899553;Bugpowder;http://www.datafox.co/blog/googles-buying-all-the-robots/ 519044;1392899554;ozbot;Google’s Buying All the Robots… | DataFox 519045;1392899565;Bugpowder;THat's a lot of acquisitions 519046;1392899660;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00019981 = 0.3996 BTC [+] {6} 519047;1392899668;mircea_popescu;google has probably the world's best buyouts department. 519048;1392899688;mircea_popescu;like, historically. 519049;1392899691;BingoBoingo;Prolly 519050;1392899712;BingoBoingo;Not mere historically though. 519051;1392899738;ThickAsThieves;they are building ed-209 i guess 519052;1392899738;BingoBoingo;Like. DOD regulations are the only pseudo obstacle kind of success. 519053;1392899760;Bugpowder;This is all it took for MtGox to fold. http://www.mtgoxprotest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/P1030097.jpg 519054;1392899763;davout;omfg, karpeles makes an apple pie on a porn movie sound track 519055;1392899764;davout;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ3g6IwrZZg&list=UUAAgMYqyzm_kT2tgI3HPE2A 519056;1392899767;Bugpowder;Compare to Kiev 519057;1392899778;KRS-One;haha never saw that one 519058;1392899789;Bugpowder;Mark's sword was less powerful than expected 519059;1392899792;davout;the music 519060;1392899808;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder you got your timeline mixed up there. 519061;1392899808;KRS-One;is he czech? 519062;1392899828;mircea_popescu;why do people keep doing this re mtgox, event x at t, event y at t+k, o look, y is all it took for x. 519063;1392899840;KRS-One;french 519064;1392899890;Bugpowder;That was a happier time for Tux... The pie had not been eaten 519065;1392899912;davout;i kinda feel sorry for him 519066;1392899965;mircea_popescu;sure, fat stupid guy caught in a position that wasn';t for him. it's understandable. 519067;1392899971;KRS-One;for being one of those nerdy fat kids who wears black all the time, thinks he is a genius and believes he is better than everyone else? 519068;1392899986;mircea_popescu;we had this mildly retarded chick in highschool, her parents kept pushing her to "achieve". 519069;1392899994;Bugpowder;It does seem that he knows how to bake a nice pie 519070;1392899995;mircea_popescu;she spent about 16 hours doing homework each day. 519071;1392900009;davout;Bugpowder: he's french how would he not 519072;1392900014;mircea_popescu;eventually ended up an assitant uni teacher. generations of freshmen mocked her bitterly. 519073;1392900042;KRS-One;a misguided soul 519074;1392900043;mircea_popescu;never got married, never progressed past assistant position, just... 519075;1392900049;mircea_popescu;just suffered, basically. 519076;1392900053;mircea_popescu;sad fate. 519077;1392900053;BingoBoingo;I had fun fucking mildly retarded (in my estimation) girl who was the a star forward on the HS soccer team. 519078;1392900057;davout;sad 519079;1392900079;KRS-One;BingoBoingo: retard fucker 519080;1392900079;mircea_popescu;coulda been a grocery clerk or a florist or a shoe store saleswoman and been just fine. 519081;1392900082;mircea_popescu;but no, "gotta achieve". 519082;1392900086;BingoBoingo;She could suck a dick great 519083;1392900095;mircea_popescu;i don't think anyone ever offered. 519084;1392900096;KRS-One;BingoBoingo: oh..well then. 519085;1392900097;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: Prolly just stupid 519086;1392900112;BingoBoingo;Could suck a great dick though 519087;1392900113;mircea_popescu;but one time she was walking backwards and ran into a pole 519088;1392900118;mircea_popescu;so she turned around and apologized 519089;1392900122;davout;mircea_popescu: florist sounds good! 519090;1392900123;KRS-One;BingoBoingo: that matters more. 519091;1392900123;mircea_popescu;which was the lol for a month. 519092;1392900137;KRS-One;omg mircea_popescu LOL 519093;1392900144;mircea_popescu;i think your average guy would rather have been caught in bed with a small boy than with her. 519094;1392900169;KRS-One;hahahhaa omg you got me laughing 519095;1392900183;KRS-One;i need.. 519096;1392900185;KRS-One;.bait 519097;1392900185;mircea_popescu;KRS-One stop laughing at tards, have you no conscience ? 519098;1392900186;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9w8cjXFkk1qzn3jqo1_1280.jpg 519099;1392900193;KRS-One;nope 519100;1392900202;mircea_popescu;a well. 519101;1392900214;KRS-One;nah i do have a conscience..its just okay to laugh at life. 519102;1392900344;mircea_popescu;"Google may have missed skipped social, but theyre bringing together a lot of highly talented teams that are working on:" 519103;1392900355;mircea_popescu;strategically sound decision. 519104;1392900355;mircea_popescu;social is worth just about squat. 519105;1392900392;ThickAsThieves;except they didnt skip social at all 519106;1392900397;ThickAsThieves;they just failed quickly 519107;1392900398;BingoBoingo;I still can't believe how disappointing a wee bit of education made Micon 519108;1392900403;ThickAsThieves;which is just as well 519109;1392900406;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves failed quickly, moved on, w/e. 519110;1392900435;ThickAsThieves;at least they didnt buy twitter or whatever 519111;1392900445;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: I dare you to browse Seals ring games 519112;1392900452;BingoBoingo;So dead. 519113;1392900478;ThickAsThieves;all energy emitted from Seals and its people has indicated for me to stay away since first contact 519114;1392900488;mircea_popescu;that bad eh ? 519115;1392900507;BingoBoingo;They (Micon) rightly called BFL out as a scam 519116;1392900516;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Deader than you imagine 519117;1392900537;mircea_popescu;is poker dead generally or they just stoopid ? 519118;1392900554;ThickAsThieves;any property worth scooping up in the ashes? 519119;1392900573;BingoBoingo;Poker is definitely injured 519120;1392900605;BingoBoingo;The thing I lost to last night could not have been a human player though. 519121;1392900615;ThickAsThieves;"Google reportedly offered $10 billion for WhatsApp" 519122;1392900619;ThickAsThieves;bahwell 519123;1392900624;mircea_popescu;reportedly by whom ? 519124;1392900633;ThickAsThieves;Furtune 519125;1392900641;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: By liver sense 519126;1392900655;ThickAsThieves;http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2014/02/20/google-whatsapp-10-billion/ 519127;1392900656;ozbot;Google offered to buy WhatsApp for $10 billion - Fortune Tech 519128;1392900676;BingoBoingo;11 Months ago I was the only person willing to bet 1 BTC agaisnt Micon on NCAA tournament brackets 519129;1392900694;BingoBoingo;That was a stupid decision/ 519130;1392900702;ThickAsThieves;"Two separate sources have told me that's how much Google (GOOG) offered to purchase WhatsApp. The bid did not come with promise of a board seat, unlike the Facebook agreement." 519131;1392900711;ThickAsThieves;his mom and his cat 519132;1392900734;ThickAsThieves;her* 519133;1392900748;ThickAsThieves;"Jessi Hempel is a New York-based technology writer for Fortune. She has written extensively about digital media, online advertising and social networking. " 519134;1392900755;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves right, two sources have told nobody in particular that things diversely may have been etc. 519135;1392900800;BingoBoingo;Maybe this is crazy, but a Google board seat is worth more than Facebook board seats 519136;1392900839;Bugpowder;This guy seems to have a better idea for what is going on with WhatsApp. http://ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2014/1/30/interaction-canvases-and-ecosystems 519137;1392900847;ThickAsThieves;as in it's more costly for Google to have one more idiot in the ranks than not 519138;1392900857;mircea_popescu;lol 519139;1392900882;mircea_popescu;hey guise, have you heard about jpm rebranding ? 519140;1392900892;ThickAsThieves;only that you mentioned it 519141;1392900900;mircea_popescu;they're gonna be PopCorn 519142;1392900910;mircea_popescu;"just turn the heat on and they jump" 519143;1392900928;ThickAsThieves;"An airy delight!" 519144;1392900936;mircea_popescu;"I can't believe it's not CDOs" 519145;1392900942;nicknode;lol 519146;1392900967;ThickAsThieves;"Buttered up and consumed!" 519147;1392900974;mircea_popescu;"Once you swap, you can't stop" 519148;1392900996;BingoBoingo;JPM has exactly one way to rebrand http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/23/a-wow-comment-analysis-fest/#fn4-586 519149;1392900997;ThickAsThieves;"See if you catch one in the mouth!" 519150;1392901010;nicknode;any news out of asicminer? 519151;1392901011;mircea_popescu;da fuck is fn4-586 519152;1392901023;mircea_popescu;nicknode yeah they were bought out by facebook 519153;1392901023;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: A footnote. 519154;1392901025;mircea_popescu;19bn. 519155;1392901029;mircea_popescu;a cool. 519156;1392901043;nicknode;nice, well then this was a good morning then lol 519157;1392901044;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The footnote I point at fiat olds and BTC newbs 519158;1392901102;mircea_popescu;aha 519159;1392901220;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Even Pirates had their black flags which were the sign they were willing to offer quarter. 519160;1392901243;BingoBoingo;I have no use for the red flag and denial of quarter from reality. 519161;1392901372;mircea_popescu;fun fact : a roger was shakespeare era term for beggars with pretense of learning. 519162;1392901378;mircea_popescu;sort-of like forumites, basically. 519163;1392901431;ThickAsThieves;wife: "Facebook bought WhatsApp for $19b? Suckers, they could've downloaded it for free." 519164;1392901436;BingoBoingo;A true Ver. There is a population in the US that has an 18 to 36 month window to hedge their existence. 519165;1392901694;davout;ThickAsThieves: lol 519166;1392901711;BingoBoingo;Also, "Roger" was a shakespeare era term necessitated by the mere decades of seamanship the english would have to pass the dutch by at that time. 519167;1392901721;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves maybe they planned to use it for more than a year. 519168;1392901775;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Facebook wanted the people who couldn't afford facebook 519169;1392901839;ThickAsThieves;prediction: facebook starts buying dating sites 519170;1392901928;mircea_popescu;nah 519171;1392901935;ThickAsThieves;ancestry.com then? 519172;1392901937;BingoBoingo;I though t facebooks revenues came from people not getting laid 519173;1392901943;mircea_popescu;wasn't matt's gf all ranty against dating sites ? 519174;1392901944;ThickAsThieves;why these make too much sense? 519175;1392901951;mircea_popescu;"o snapchat allows teens to fuck all day long i don't care" ? 519176;1392901959;nicknode;not that much value in not getting laid 519177;1392901980;ThickAsThieves;who's matt anyway? 519178;1392901984;ThickAsThieves;mark? 519179;1392901986;mircea_popescu;nicknode in general the average male would prefer to not get laid and be bossed around than to get laid and have to boss the women around. 519180;1392902003;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves whoever hoodie-whats-his-face. zuckerberg 519181;1392902011;ThickAsThieves;word 519182;1392902056;ThickAsThieves;bigtime silicon valley ceo's have very small wardrobes 519183;1392902087;davout;ThickAsThieves: yay, i can be a big time silicon valley ceo 519184;1392902100;ThickAsThieves;you may choose black turtleneck, tshirt, hoodie, sneakers or 3-piece suit less tie and top button 519185;1392902100;mircea_popescu;no because nigeria 519186;1392902114;davout;mircea_popescu: lol fuck you 519187;1392902125;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves if i were the [ex] yahoo ceo i'd show up for work in a black and white apron 519188;1392902142;ThickAsThieves;cuz ur colorblind? 519189;1392902155;BingoBoingo;I am still wrapping my head around Seals was full last year, but it was still just me versus Micon in March Madness 519190;1392902158;davout;no cause his place is dirty 519191;1392902169;mircea_popescu;CAUSE I WOULD BE A WOMAN 519192;1392902174;ThickAsThieves;you mean that blonde chick? 519193;1392902178;ThickAsThieves;she got fired? 519194;1392902183;mircea_popescu;well im covering my bets. 519195;1392902193;mircea_popescu;maybe she was meanwhile who;s to know 519196;1392902196;ThickAsThieves;the world conspires with you 519197;1392902237;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Hitting mircea for his general ly compromised sight would be like criticizing me for my hearing. 519198;1392902243;mircea_popescu;someone should make a line of business go-go suits and shear body stockings for women in the boardroom 519199;1392902260;ThickAsThieves;i dunno, being colorblind cant be that bad 519200;1392902287;BingoBoingo;I dunno how it can't be. I mean in the pussy you get to see the actual pink. 519201;1392902292;ThickAsThieves;i have constant tinnitus and i'm ok 519202;1392902307;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dude, my sight is fine. i can shoot sparrows half mile away. it's just i don't see most useless colors. 519203;1392902373;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You let the color blind thing out a while ago but the half inch text very recently. We needed to force the answer. 519204;1392902394;mircea_popescu;the text thing is for confort tho. 519205;1392902401;ThickAsThieves;i assume half-inch is an exaggeration 519206;1392902428;davout;that's what she said 519207;1392902432;*;ThickAsThieves waits for a "that's what she said"... 519208;1392902437;ThickAsThieves;dangit! 519209;1392902439;davout;lmao 519210;1392902443;mircea_popescu;i can read most stuff people need loupes for with my naked eyes, but that doesn't mean i want to 519211;1392902448;mircea_popescu;on any sort of continued basis 519212;1392902502;BingoBoingo;Understandable mircea_popescu. I can barely stand test less dense than 8 pts offers on a screen (unless it is a spectaculary fail screen). 519213;1392902593;MisterE;when are we gonna test 500 already?!?! 519214;1392902608;MisterE;been waiting for days 519215;1392902617;BingoBoingo;MisterE: August? 519216;1392902620;ThickAsThieves;i'll tell you for 5btc 519217;1392902626;MisterE;this stability pisses me off 519218;1392902630;mircea_popescu;why ?! 519219;1392902641;MisterE;lol I like the swings 519220;1392902645;ThickAsThieves;cuz gemz 519221;1392902653;BingoBoingo;MisterE: I can sell you instability for the right price. 519222;1392902654;MisterE;like craps I guess you try to catch the streaks 519223;1392902659;MisterE;play a conservative game 519224;1392902669;MisterE;only pass/ don;t pass bets 519225;1392902683;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Conservative Game? Are you Rumsfeld in Fallujah? 519226;1392902711;MisterE;the place the taliban just took back? 519227;1392902725;MisterE;well not just 519228;1392902726;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Wrong brown people. 519229;1392902771;ThickAsThieves;MisterE, $500 will be tested in approx 7 days 519230;1392902794;BingoBoingo;Oh, I though this was MPEX 0.1 lots 519231;1392902821;BingoBoingo;$500/BTC has been whipped for quite a while 519232;1392902840;ThickAsThieves;whipped? 519233;1392902855;nicknode;ThickAsThieves: what is the relationship between you and havelock? i was under the impression you were more or less the same entity, but apparently not? trying to understand the TaT,havelock,asicminer thinigie posted about in the last day 519234;1392902863;MisterE;naah 500 is only a NY regulator's announcement away 519235;1392902868;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Yeah, like an antiquated piece of farm equiptment that can't even imagine challenging a tractor. 519236;1392902869;MisterE;wtf is up with Cox anywyas? 519237;1392902883;MisterE;Iwas away for a couple days 519238;1392902905;BingoBoingo;nicknode: ThickAsThieves is someone Havelock was fucking. 519239;1392902915;BingoBoingo;Nao ThickAsThieves has a spine 519240;1392902926;BingoBoingo;And he dun like to get fucked 519241;1392902943;ThickAsThieves;lol 519242;1392902954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19612 @ 0.00086128 = 16.8914 BTC [-] 519243;1392902973;ThickAsThieves;that doesnt even work in the abstract 519244;1392902993;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Some things work better in the real than the abstract. 519245;1392902993;ThickAsThieves;nicknode, why would you think we're all the same thing? 519246;1392903009;mircea_popescu; ThickAsThieves: what is the relationship between you and havelock? i was under the impression you were more or less the same entity, but apparently not? <<< see ? this is what you did. now pay for it. 519247;1392903013;nicknode;tarded lack of research, first impressions blah blag 519248;1392903023;ThickAsThieves;so research 519249;1392903034;nicknode;anyway, i kind of thought you were the guy operating havelock. apparently not. but what does the latest news mean? 519250;1392903052;ThickAsThieves;there's the plain above you, there's the parachute below you 519251;1392903061;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Be afraid. This is moar research than most of your PT investors do. 519252;1392903074;ThickAsThieves;plane* 519253;1392903075;ThickAsThieves;derp 519254;1392903079;KRS-One;nicknode: you thought TaT was Havelock? wow 519255;1392903085;ThickAsThieves;that's a first 519256;1392903094;mircea_popescu;not afaik, no. 519257;1392903104;nicknode;well yeah. anyway, care to enlighten me as to the latest developments? 519258;1392903110;ThickAsThieves;still not as bad as emails i get asking me how to buy AM100 519259;1392903126;ThickAsThieves;what more is needed to know than what was announced? 519260;1392903153;mircea_popescu;"First they came for the lawyers, and I didn't say anything because I am not a lawyer. Now everything is awesome." 519261;1392903173;nicknode;well since my confusion runs pretty thick with regards to the involved entities, i dont get what it means 519262;1392903212;ThickAsThieves;man you need to articulate 519263;1392903216;ThickAsThieves;i know you can do it 519264;1392903237;nicknode;you make a great impression 519265;1392903244;ThickAsThieves;it means Havelock is running the listed things I will used to have run 519266;1392903268;nicknode;ahh, confusion clearing slightly 519267;1392903279;BingoBoingo;Remember when Havelock ran only an S.DICE passthrough 519268;1392903287;ThickAsThieves;did you read all the words in the announcement? 519269;1392903315;BingoBoingo;Those days were the best lols 519270;1392903349;ThickAsThieves;mp, what's that lawyer quote from/for? 519271;1392903376;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Oh, it is just standard hebe talk 519272;1392903394;nicknode;it makes more sense now that I'm disabused for some preconceived notions yes. thank you :) 519273;1392903398;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves some twitter guy. you care who ? 519274;1392903409;ThickAsThieves;i found it, i just cant suss the context 519275;1392903412;ThickAsThieves;or meaning... 519276;1392903426;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah, i remember. those were the days when investors didn't lose btc weekly. 519277;1392903469;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well it was that shot period between GLBSE's death and the emergence of the lessers. 519278;1392903480;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you know the "first they came for the tits, but i said nothing because i wasn't a tit, then they came for the cunt, but i said nothing for i wasn;'t a cunt, now i got nowhere to jack off" thing ? 519279;1392903515;ThickAsThieves;nope 519280;1392903529;mircea_popescu;jesus. 519281;1392903532;BingoBoingo;I remember the days when havelock was just TAT on steroids 519282;1392903536;mircea_popescu;what sort of a jew are you. 519283;1392903539;ThickAsThieves;dont call me that it's embarassing 519284;1392903550;ThickAsThieves;a catholic one 519285;1392903553;mircea_popescu;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_... 519286;1392903553;ozbot;First they came ... - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 519287;1392903577;BingoBoingo;Sweet, funnel cloud!!! How long will I have internet!!! 519288;1392903603;ThickAsThieves;i wish i was raised jewish, christ 519289;1392903639;mircea_popescu;sooo.... facebook being cut to ew and neutral across the board. 519290;1392903653;BingoBoingo;I love tornado weather 519291;1392903680;MisterE;where do I get the btc-e api key and secret? 519292;1392903681;random_cat;it's better served cold, bingoboingo 519293;1392903693;MisterE;oic profile 519294;1392903719;ThickAsThieves;shoulda bought okcupid 519295;1392903777;ThickAsThieves;hey i like this first they came thing and now i get it, thx 519296;1392903788;BingoBoingo;random_cat: Fuku, Imma be wearing this welt for a week nao. 519297;1392903846;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i'm shocked you never heard it before. it's really a meme. 519298;1392903869;BingoBoingo;Like a really old meme 519299;1392903925;BingoBoingo;Like I am trying to figure out if this is merely impact swelling or floating detached bone 519300;1392903992;ThickAsThieves;imagine what else i don't know 519301;1392903994;ThickAsThieves;:) 519302;1392904077;BingoBoingo;For serious so many ice bitches on my lawn. 519303;1392904112;ThickAsThieves;http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-price-hits-135-mt-gox-office-move-verification-demand/ 519304;1392904123;ThickAsThieves;must be verified to wd coins too now 519305;1392904136;nicknode;wow 519306;1392904217;ThickAsThieves;oh today is the lawsky AMA 519307;1392904232;ThickAsThieves;the fun shall continue 519308;1392904235;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.07101394 = 4.2608 BTC [+] {11} 519309;1392904239;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: When, doesn't look like I'm sleeping 519310;1392904290;ThickAsThieves;3.5hrs 519311;1392904311;ThickAsThieves;time for nap if you try 519312;1392904319;Glotarolt;hello guys 519313;1392904323;ThickAsThieves;hi 519314;1392904326;Glotarolt;who want to sell LTC? 519315;1392904334;ThickAsThieves;wrong chan 519316;1392904339;Glotarolt;is this right chanel? 519317;1392904349;BingoBoingo;Glotarolt: I will sell you 5 LTC at 3 BTC per LTC 519318;1392904361;Glotarolt;[14:51] it unfolded on #bitcoin-assets 519319;1392904370;Glotarolt;this guy give me this chanel to ask 519320;1392904390;ThickAsThieves;dunno what to tell ya 519321;1392904394;Glotarolt;i need big amount like 2-3k LTC 519322;1392904395;ThickAsThieves;yknow they have exchanges for hat 519323;1392904398;ThickAsThieves;that* 519324;1392904404;Glotarolt;NAhhh 519325;1392904413;Glotarolt;i just have much problem 519326;1392904415;ThickAsThieves;too hard to scam that wau? 519327;1392904418;ThickAsThieves;way* 519328;1392904420;Glotarolt;and i have now my btc 519329;1392904427;Glotarolt;long story 519330;1392904431;ThickAsThieves;i bet 519331;1392904432;Glotarolt;i want to kill someone 519332;1392904433;Glotarolt; 519333;1392904434;CheckDavid;Ba hahahahahaa 519334;1392904446;ThickAsThieves;kill urself? 519335;1392904458;random_cat;gravity works 519336;1392904462;Glotarolt;think kill myself? 519337;1392904464;Glotarolt;NO 519338;1392904470;ThickAsThieves;oh my mistake 519339;1392904477;CheckDavid;Glotarolt: I will kill ThickAsThieves for 2 coins. 519340;1392904482;ThickAsThieves;i figured you were the most convenient victim 519341;1392904482;Glotarolt;want to kill some Admin 519342;1392904485;CheckDavid;I'm a professional hitman 519343;1392904489;Glotarolt;Hahahaha 519344;1392904511;CheckDavid;World class assassination services 519345;1392904516;Glotarolt;i just cross here to ask for bloody LTC 519346;1392904517;Glotarolt;:) 519347;1392904527;ThickAsThieves;try #altcoin 519348;1392904535;Glotarolt;think? 519349;1392904544;BingoBoingo;Glotarolt: If you keep talking like this you might discover just how finite your existence is. 519350;1392904545;random_cat;i am a professional BOFH 519351;1392904549;CheckDavid;Easier to scam Ltc than BTC? 519352;1392904574;Glotarolt;? 519353;1392904594;ThickAsThieves;will you pay a 10% premium on market price for the LTCs? 519354;1392904596;davout;Glotarolt why don't you start your own exchange 519355;1392904608;Glotarolt;i start soon 519356;1392904614;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1642144/plain/) 519357;1392904614;davout;!b 2 519358;1392904615;Glotarolt;wait to Gox crash 519359;1392904619;Glotarolt;:) 519360;1392904690;Mallstromm;https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FwnuQWZg.jpg&t=537&c=7viZmSe90xbWQQ 519361;1392904722;davout;Mallstromm: is that a police complaint? 519362;1392904723;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00213003 = 0.9585 BTC [-] 519363;1392904741;Mallstromm;that's Warsaw's anticorruption division investigating MtGox Poland 519364;1392904743;Mallstromm;:D 519365;1392904815;davout;Mallstromm: i think mtgox's polish bank has more to lose in such an investigation than mtgox itself 519366;1392904833;davout;because they'll be found to have covered it all up 519367;1392904858;Mallstromm;davout: that would (partially) explain the absurd 100k x day limit on outgoing transactions? 519368;1392904892;davout;Mallstromm: i think that the limit is bullshit 519369;1392904909;Mallstromm;I agree. There's no way you have such limits. 519370;1392904915;davout;our bank already did bigger wires than that, for *one* wire 519371;1392904924;davout;you know, not for all the days wire 519372;1392904929;Mallstromm;And if you have them, you just increase those limits depending on your volume 519373;1392904945;BingoBoingo;davout: Is there a good way to get fucktons of USD into yout exchange? 519374;1392904957;Mallstromm;davout: I know and I agree. If you have the money, you can move it. That's how it works and how banks make their money. 519375;1392904965;davout;BingoBoingo: first question is "can you register?" 519376;1392904967;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 25 @ 0.16230094 = 4.0575 BTC [-] 519377;1392904973;davout;BingoBoingo: you're murrican right 519378;1392904979;davout;if so then you can't 519379;1392904981;BingoBoingo;davout: I dunno. 519380;1392904983;Glotarolt;He is IDIOT 519381;1392905003;davout;Mallstromm: exactly, they charge you, that's all 519382;1392905018;Mallstromm;yeah, being 'murrican kinda sucks. Such freedom, such wealth, such ass-rape :D 519383;1392905030;davout;wow 519384;1392905080;Mallstromm;Such NSA. Such guantanamo. Such ban on 'murricans on all BTC exchanges :D 519385;1392905091;Mallstromm;its really the land of the free 519386;1392905095;davout;Mallstromm: no, only a couple actually 519387;1392905113;BingoBoingo;davout: With lead time if necessary I can be dutch. 519388;1392905138;Mallstromm;davout: anyone willing to run a SERIOUS exchange will probably have to ban most american customers unless they can get MSB license in ALL States. That's kinda unpractical 519389;1392905141;davout;BingoBoingo: LOL 519390;1392905171;davout;Mallstromm: that makes no sense, the concept of a MSB exists only in the US, for the purpose of doing business with americans 519391;1392905178;BingoBoingo;davout: It's true though from my understanding of EU law and ancestery. 519392;1392905193;davout;BingoBoingo: even i couldn't get dual dutch citizenship 519393;1392905197;random_cat;south carolina does not require a msb 519394;1392905200;davout;and i'm fucking born there :) 519395;1392905229;Mallstromm;davout: there's need to be a dual-citizenship treaty for that and not many countries have such treaties 519396;1392905267;Mallstromm;davout: the fact is that if you ban 'murricans you avoid a lot of hassle 519397;1392905269;equex;usa demands you give up one 519398;1392905270;davout;Mallstromm: france and the netherlands had this retarded kid 519399;1392905273;davout;and called it belgium 519400;1392905276;equex;the us one 519401;1392905279;BingoBoingo;davout: I guess either I won the grandpa lottery or the civil service there is too fucked to follow the law. 519402;1392905298;Mallstromm;davoutMallstromm: france and the netherlands had this retarded kid -> THAT MADE ME LOL :D 519403;1392905393;BingoBoingo;davout: All the better. My ancestors are Flemish 519404;1392905467;Bugpowder;Mallstromm: Why is an MSB license impractical. You are thinking that MtGox level dipshites are going to be running the serious exchanges from now on? Major VC money is moving into the space, and US people will have liquidity access within their brokerage account by EOY. 519405;1392905489;davout;Bugpowder: what exactly do you call major VC money? 519406;1392905496;davout;coinbase's 25m? 519407;1392905499;ThickAsThieves;;;ticker --market mtgox 519408;1392905502;Mallstromm;I don't see major VC money 519409;1392905504;Mallstromm;I see peanuts 519410;1392905504;Bugpowder;that's just a start 519411;1392905512;Mallstromm;a few VC's gambling with play money 519412;1392905513;Mallstromm;that's all 519413;1392905514;kakobrekla;>15:35 A new protester has joined and is not happy. 519414;1392905518;kakobrekla;omg this is hilarious 519415;1392905538;Bugpowder;just keep thinking like the 2012-2013 paradigm will persist this year and next... 519416;1392905558;davout;Bugpowder: what's the 2012-2013 paradigm? 519417;1392905578;ThickAsThieves;that bitcoin is a nerdfadponziscam 519418;1392905578;Bugpowder;Shitty companies, shitty liquidity and nobody paying attention. 519419;1392905616;BingoBoingo;VC's gambling sounds right. 519420;1392905627;Bugpowder;That's what VCs do 519421;1392905628;ThickAsThieves;bug, what's your outlook for next ATH? 519422;1392905634;Bugpowder;$4000 519423;1392905638;Bugpowder;next to 519424;1392905639;ThickAsThieves;timewise 519425;1392905640;Bugpowder;top 519426;1392905642;Bugpowder;EOY 519427;1392905650;Bugpowder;but that's just based on growth curves 519428;1392905650;BingoBoingo;If Goldman or JP Morgan wants to get in this sector I am their hebe. 519429;1392905656;ThickAsThieves;i had $3400 in July 519430;1392905663;Bugpowder;could be that soon 519431;1392905672;davout;i think end 2014 be like end 2014, beginning of the next bubble 519432;1392905676;davout;end 2012 519433;1392905678;davout;dammit 519434;1392905703;davout;bottom this spring 519435;1392905703;BingoBoingo;end of 2012 was a low. 519436;1392905717;ThickAsThieves;well if all the traders with money agree, it will be so! 519437;1392905718;Bugpowder;We have seen the same pattern 3-4 times now 519438;1392905726;davout;yeah, which means it started going back up from there :-) 519439;1392905732;ThickAsThieves;i think bottom is this month actually 519440;1392905736;davout;ThickAsThieves: 519441;1392905738;davout;no 519442;1392905742;davout;dun think so 519443;1392905749;AndrewWhatsUpppp;expecting 111 519444;1392905757;ThickAsThieves;no, davout? 519445;1392905758;Bugpowder;we are going to need mainstream buy-in to support the next price level. 519446;1392905773;davout;ThickAsThieves: i remember when we hit $2 after seeing $32 519447;1392905774;Bugpowder;people like hblodget need to get their head out of their ass and buy some coins. 519448;1392905800;Bugpowder;davout: That's when I entered. Wired the money the day it hit $2. 519449;1392905815;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 134.4, Best ask: 134.49, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 134.49, 24 hour volume: 75018.53888080, 24 hour low: 132.13, 24 hour high: 276.24152, 24 hour vwap: 189.9134 519450;1392905819;Bugpowder;I wonder what the price will be when Krugman capitulates. 519451;1392905825;BingoBoingo;I regret not buying at those 2 dollars. 519452;1392905861;ThickAsThieves;latest gribble response ever? 519453;1392905864;davout;glorious days 519454;1392905929;Bugpowder;I'll define major VC money to == enough money so that becoming an MSB in all 50 states is no big deal for multiple competing liquidity providers. 519455;1392905936;ThickAsThieves;i still think we have til ides of March at best to buy at bottom, got chart that sensibly disagrees? 519456;1392906058;KRS-One;Ahh the ides of March. That is when we move. 519457;1392906126;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.47799999 = 2.39 BTC [+] {3} 519458;1392906464;mircea_popescu;Mallstromm sooo... who are you ? 519459;1392906637;Mallstromm;mircea_popescu: an ex-securitate agent now looking into illicit business 519460;1392906673;BingoBoingo;Mallstromm: You ever have a clearance? 519461;1392906674;mircea_popescu;how clever. 519462;1392906675;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00086282 = 22.347 BTC [+] {2} 519463;1392906704;Mallstromm;:D 519464;1392906722;mircea_popescu;so typical twennysomething boi with too much too prove ? 519465;1392906740;BingoBoingo;Mallstromm: Are you elligible for the TS/SCI job fairs? 519466;1392906740;Mallstromm;mircea_popescu: unfortunately not so young 519467;1392906758;mircea_popescu;well time cures all. 519468;1392906800;Mallstromm;BingoBoingo: of course, my background is perfect to grant me a position in any three letter agency 519469;1392906853;BingoBoingo;Mallstromm: Congrats. I passed that chance up and my brain grew into a need for lamotrigine. 519470;1392906883;Mallstromm;now just cooperating with SELEC (http://www.secicenter.org/) 519471;1392906934;mircea_popescu;lmao why's the casa poporului there 519472;1392906944;BingoBoingo;lol 519473;1392906965;mircea_popescu;"BRUSSELS, January 21st, 2014", here's a picture of some building from romania. 519474;1392906987;Mallstromm;:D 519475;1392907015;Mallstromm;SELEC is run by the FBI (no joke). You know how amateurish these 'murricans guys are 519476;1392907064;mircea_popescu;http://www.secicenter.org/m271/Careers cute. 519477;1392907068;ozbot;SELEC Web Site 519478;1392907176;Mallstromm;well, you get paid in USD. :) 519479;1392907246;BingoBoingo;Mallstromm: Who does? 519480;1392907253;Mallstromm;Selec workers 519481;1392907263;mircea_popescu;o this is the seci thing 519482;1392907272;mircea_popescu;jesus what's with the constant rebranding. 519483;1392907362;Mallstromm;yes, its the SECI thing 519484;1392907388;Mallstromm;SECI is the old naming, SELEC is the new one 519485;1392907400;mircea_popescu;did it step in some paintcan or something ? 519486;1392907414;Mallstromm;still the official proxy of US three-letter-agencies in Eastern Europe 519487;1392907453;mircea_popescu;well cool. 519488;1392907481;Mallstromm;well, now we can stop joking :) sorry to interrupt you guys... But you was the one asking, Mircea 519489;1392907537;mircea_popescu;so wait, you aren't an ex securitate agent with a job in teh ex seci now secl? 519490;1392907651;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 182 @ 0.00085499 = 0.1556 BTC [+] 519491;1392907755;ThickAsThieves;cointerra delivers http://imgur.com/a/4W2ik 519492;1392907773;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50999996 BTC [+] 519493;1392907776;Mallstromm;empty boxes? 519494;1392907819;ThickAsThieves;mtgoxes 519495;1392907823;mircea_popescu;hahaha 519496;1392907834;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.07299999 = 1.241 BTC [+] {2} 519497;1392907870;mircea_popescu;haven't i seen those three fan things before ? 519498;1392907915;mircea_popescu;Created 15 hours ago 5 views << wow. 519499;1392907931;mircea_popescu;nobody cares, srsly ? 519500;1392907931;BingoBoingo;Shit 519501;1392907970;ThickAsThieves;i only found it incidentally 519502;1392907983;ThickAsThieves;Korbman posted it 519503;1392908024;BingoBoingo;;;tslb 519504;1392908028;gribble;Time since last block: 20 minutes and 45 seconds 519505;1392908043;ThickAsThieves;;;estimate 519506;1392908044;gribble;Next difficulty estimate | 3786669022.0 based on data since last change | 3995924804.52 based on data for last three days 519507;1392908052;ThickAsThieves;;;bcstats 519508;1392908054;gribble;Current Blocks: 286894 | Current Difficulty: 3.1295731745222874E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 288287 | Next Difficulty In: 1393 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 19 hours, 49 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3786669022.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 20.99634 519509;1392908086;BingoBoingo;I have such a solid knot on my forehead. Fuck hail 519510;1392908201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54550 @ 0.0008639 = 47.1257 BTC [+] {2} 519511;1392908241;ThickAsThieves;ouch 519512;1392908259;ThickAsThieves;maybe you are becoming a full bronie 519513;1392908276;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: I still have like two drinks left in this fifth. 519514;1392908339;ThickAsThieves;i know i said it already, but i fukn love this fever-tree ginger beer as a mixer 519515;1392908360;ThickAsThieves;makes your lips burn with joy 519516;1392908422;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Right nao I'm doing 50/50 instant coffee and vodka 519517;1392908432;Mallstromm;ThichkAsThieves: wonderful. Did you try the moscow mule with it? Fever-tree ginger beet + lime + vodka 519518;1392908457;ThickAsThieves;i add grapefruit juice too 519519;1392908479;Mallstromm;I prefer the original "moscow mule" with only vodka and some drops of natural lime juice 519520;1392908492;Mallstromm;grapefruit juice is too 'murrican for my taste :D 519521;1392908515;BingoBoingo;Grapefruit is healthy except for that part where it inhibits all of the good liver enzymes. 519522;1392908516;ThickAsThieves;hehe, too grapefruity for most people's taste i bet 519523;1392908528;ThickAsThieves;my wife thinks i prefer the most gross stuff 519524;1392908539;ThickAsThieves;hops, ginger, etc 519525;1392908542;BingoBoingo;Grapefruit tastes good enough. 519526;1392908542;mircea_popescu;tampons ? 519527;1392908570;BingoBoingo;Grapre fruit just leaves you vulerable to every poison ever. 519528;1392908584;Mallstromm;ThickAsThieves: i hope she's just speaking about food/beverages and not other kind of philias 519529;1392908587;ThickAsThieves;so it gets you higher, big deal 519530;1392908589;ThickAsThieves;:) 519531;1392908610;ThickAsThieves;well i do also like twister japanese horror 519532;1392908614;ThickAsThieves;twisted* 519533;1392908635;asciilifeform;from the circus: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562647/NSA-worker-beat-3-year-old-adopted-son-death-tells-police-hadnt-bonded-boy.html 519534;1392908638;kakobrekla;wait, instant coffee and vodka in same cup?? 519535;1392908660;kakobrekla;i think id rather drink petrol 519536;1392908667;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Yeah, for justice 519537;1392908670;ThickAsThieves;probly taste similar 519538;1392908674;Mallstromm;kakobrekla: i hope he was joking, that's beyong gross 519539;1392908695;mircea_popescu; i think id rather drink petrol << in moscow they do. 519540;1392908695;kakobrekla;i dunno, he does have balls. 519541;1392908706;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know what daily mail is right ? 519542;1392908714;mircea_popescu;sort-of like business insider with better creative writing. 519543;1392908718;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu and survive? 519544;1392908728;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: of course. 519545;1392908729;mircea_popescu;sure. they're survival champs. 519546;1392908756;asciilifeform;i can't wait for the tabloids to 'nsa ufos!1!!' 519547;1392908757;Mallstromm;well, if they survive winter in Novosibirsk they can survive anything 519548;1392908768;kakobrekla;here, bomb. 519549;1392908774;Mallstromm;in fact i wouldn't know how to survive a winter in Novosibirsk without drinking petrol 519550;1392908780;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so is the guy in custody ? 519551;1392908807;BingoBoingo;Fuck UFO's. Shit s boring. Fucking clouds attacked me today. 519552;1392908846;asciilifeform;http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/damascus-man-charged-with-killing-his-three-year-old-adopted-son/2014/02/18/4cc02e2a-98a4-11e3-9616-d367fa6ea99b_story.html 519553;1392908847;ozbot;Damascus man charged in death his 3-year-old adopted son - The Washington Post 519554;1392908852;asciilifeform;possibly. 519555;1392908892;mircea_popescu;"he is being held without bond." 519556;1392908895;mircea_popescu;they just added that lol. 519557;1392908899;mircea_popescu;no capital or anything. 519558;1392908903;asciilifeform;http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/college-park-shady-grove-campuses-affected-by-university-of-maryland-security-breach/2014/02/19/ce438108-99bd-11e3-80ac-63a8ba7f7942_story.html 519559;1392908904;ozbot;University of Maryland computer security breach exposes 300,000 records - The Washington Post 519560;1392908911;asciilifeform;haha and there's the tortoise 519561;1392908922;BingoBoingo;Fucking terps 519562;1392908928;BingoBoingo;Herp Turp 519563;1392908932;asciilifeform;notice the dirt? 519564;1392908936;asciilifeform;it's from the 'sacrifices.' 519565;1392909000;BingoBoingo;So... concussion first aid. Is sleep good or bad? 519566;1392909008;BingoBoingo;If the patient is plastered. 519567;1392909009;mircea_popescu;it's fine. 519568;1392909062;BingoBoingo;Fuck spinny ice wind thingies. 519569;1392909072;asciilifeform;http://umd.edu/datasecurity/ 519570;1392909073;ozbot;The University of Maryland :: A Public Research University Advancing our State and the World 519571;1392909089;asciilifeform;(mtgox style turdletter) 519572;1392909115;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.06300337 = 1.5751 BTC [-] {4} 519573;1392909138;Mallstromm;LOOOOL Mircea, what about that picture on your Twitter account? The one in which you are wearing an open shirt, showing to the world your beautiful chest? 519574;1392909139;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Universities have done worse. When I was at Mizzou their research reactor had a security breach. 519575;1392909140;Mallstromm;:D 519576;1392909144;Mallstromm;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu 519577;1392909145;ozbot;Mircea Popescu (Mircea_Popescu) on Twitter 519578;1392909148;Mallstromm;its hilarious man 519579;1392909162;mircea_popescu;hallo yes i am mircea popescu. 519580;1392909165;mircea_popescu;wtf. 519581;1392909171;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Largest research reactor in the US 519582;1392909213;BingoBoingo;Mallstromm: WHat is wrong with a dude showing some chest if he gets the pussy? 519583;1392909241;Mallstromm;"if he gets the pussy" 519584;1392909242;Mallstromm;:D 519585;1392909251;mircea_popescu;srsly, topless guys are a big deal nao ? 519586;1392909273;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Maybe he doesn't ask or tell? 519587;1392909276;mircea_popescu;i fucking live in this world where women go about nude in teh park. i guess it'd be an ivory... tower ? 519588;1392909328;Mallstromm;well, you know, in some parts of the world taking a walk in the center of a city in top-less is quite awkward 519589;1392909339;mircea_popescu;in and of itself, awkward ? 519590;1392909348;mircea_popescu;some stupid bitch could be awkward at it, sure. 519591;1392909355;Mallstromm;:D 519592;1392909355;BingoBoingo;Mallstromm: You don't look like Mark Karpales do you? 519593;1392909357;mircea_popescu;the point of training is that she's not awkward. 519594;1392909359;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1203 @ 0.00019706 = 0.2371 BTC [-] {5} 519595;1392909419;asciilifeform;re: nsa chief: i wonder if the prosecutor knows that prosecutors 'could also have problems' 519596;1392909444;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'll bet yo uthat particular prosecutor does not care. 519597;1392909456;asciilifeform;that's more or less the whole interesting part of the picture. 519598;1392909467;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Interesting is Mizzou reactor breach merely needed a cab and not a prosecutor. 519599;1392909485;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ? 519600;1392909571;BingoBoingo;So... I am fairly certain that in this channel I have made comments that limit the set of people who could be me to 1. But Meta-NSA is a myth. 519601;1392909612;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: worry after i'm impaled. 519602;1392909619;BingoBoingo;Fucking storm raid sirens again. 519603;1392909666;mircea_popescu;should we start a deadpool ? 519604;1392909668;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'm just surprised the bore of an M16 is so small like a ruger plinking rifle. 519605;1392909688;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not like this is a national secret 519606;1392909703;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: in most of the u.s. you can walk into a store and buy the damn thing and try it for yourself 519607;1392909747;asciilifeform;what's funny is that the ussr slavishly copied the 'tiny bullet' school of thought in '74 519608;1392909760;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: No, but... At least the Moissin-Nagant through the M-14 had the virtue of not being bored in squirrel caliber. 519609;1392909778;asciilifeform;they taught soldiers marksmanship in those days 519610;1392909796;BingoBoingo;And engagement at distance. 519611;1392909858;asciilifeform;the modern school of thought, i believe, is 'wound, don't kill, the enemy and tie up three men' 519612;1392909874;asciilifeform;(actual experts are invited to comment) 519613;1392909876;mircea_popescu;at least in guerilla warfare, definitely. 519614;1392909880;BingoBoingo;I'd believe that. 519615;1392909884;Mats_cd03;556 is godly 519616;1392909907;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you ever read the old trilema article re the la bank robbers ? 519617;1392909912;BingoBoingo;Wierdest thing I've known is the Yugo SKS. Soviet bullet, Nato grenade launcher 519618;1392909913;Mats_cd03;twice the combat load due yo half the weight of a 763 round 519619;1392909923;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the one with the armour? 519620;1392909941;Mats_cd03;762 dat is 519621;1392909984;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the one observing that their strategy was correct, in that the pensions and hi of the cops they shot make it unworthwhile for the cops to show up next time. 519622;1392909988;mircea_popescu;(yeah, same one). 519623;1392910019;asciilifeform;they showed up on account of being biorobots. 519624;1392910042;mircea_popescu;they still cost the taxpayer. 519625;1392910043;asciilifeform;('meat puppets' in the english-speaking world?) 519626;1392910083;CiPi;Apple has startet again to accept bitcoin apps, alot of markets accepting bitcoin...ATM`s open is USA with btc...why the price is not rising and is falling? 519627;1392910094;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The right armour beats the wrong bullets? 519628;1392910112;BingoBoingo;Like in North Hollywood? 519629;1392910129;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/strategii-in-lupta-antisociala/ 519630;1392910130;ozbot;Strategii in lupta antisociala pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 519631;1392910131;mircea_popescu;Strategia corecta, in sensul ca perfecta, este sa mergi si sa jefuiesti banca. Daca nu apare politia, foarte bine, mergi in treaba ta. Daca insa apare politia, macelaresti civilii. Si anume, pe toti. Fara ezitari, fara mila, cu toata atentia pentru optimizarea carnajului in sensul extensiunii. Doua-trei sute de persoane minim, intr-o zona cit de cit centrala (ca doara nu jefuiesti banci la periferie acuma). 519632;1392910131;mircea_popescu;Sigur, dupa aia cel mai probabil vei muri. Ei, si ? Conteaza mai putin asta, daca te gindesti ca a) de murit oricum mori si respectiv b) odata ce politistii stiu ca daca vin vor muri sute de civili iar daca stau acasa nu va muri nimeni ei nu mai au de fapt o alegere la dispozitie. Pur si simplu, nu le va da nimeni voie sa se apropie de locul jafului, ca trei sute de morti ori doua milioane bucata pe asigurari vine juma 519633;1392910134;mircea_popescu; de miliard, iara tu nu poti fura mai mult de citeva milioane in cash, dat fiind ca n-ai cum ii duce. De fapt exact asa s-a ajuns si la regula ca-ti da bancherul oriciti bani si te lasa sa pleci, singura victorie a oamenilor antisociali in raport cu societatea din istoria moderna. 519634;1392910168;Mats_cd03;what was that about pastebin 519635;1392910174;mircea_popescu;the correct strategy, which is to say the perfect strategy, is to go rob a bank. if no police shows up, good. if they do, butcher the civillians. which is to say, all ofthem. no mercy, no hesitation, optimize the carnage as to extension. 519636;1392910225;mircea_popescu;of course, you will likely die for it. so what ? hardly worth the menton this, if you think that a) you'll die anyway and b) once the police admin knows that sending the police means hundreds dead or wounded and if not sending the police means nothing they no longer have a choice. 519637;1392910267;mircea_popescu;pure and simple, they won't be even allowed to come near a place where someone's robbing a bank. because 300 hit at 3mn a piece is a billion, and nobody can afford to waste a billion to cover for whatever coupla million in bills you can possibly carry. 519638;1392910281;mircea_popescu;that's basically the principle there, works in all confrontations exactly the same. 519639;1392910321;BingoBoingo;Oh, robbing banks, the only way to do it wrong has to be carrying a sadwich, taking the money and walking briskly. 519640;1392910342;mircea_popescu;simple matter of cost optimisation, the well known weakness of the weak. 519641;1392910349;mircea_popescu;he who values his life has no future. 519642;1392910410;BingoBoingo;Funny story. After my allegedly disorderly conduct and old acquaintance from way back tried robbing a bank with a sandwhich. 519643;1392910421;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 3 lines man, cmon. 519644;1392910467;BingoBoingo;His bank robbery case is resolved, my disroderly conduct misdemeanor is still pending 519645;1392910492;BingoBoingo;On those mispelling it seems like bedtime. 519646;1392910492;mircea_popescu;obviously they wanted his sandwich 519647;1392910510;BingoBoingo;Of course. 519648;1392910559;BingoBoingo;As luck would have it for him he went into lockup as I fronted the local paper. He told the people in his pad "I know that dude" 519649;1392910610;BingoBoingo;No one messed with him, that he will talk about when he isn't hammered enough to bring out the trauma. 519650;1392910701;BingoBoingo;If only newspapers respected the sacred bounds of the word allegedly. 519651;1392910755;BingoBoingo;Done right, that could have been a bigger 1-2 social media coup than Y-Combinator could have imagined. 519652;1392910788;BingoBoingo;I only have to assume Paul Graham doesn't know how to pay me. 519653;1392910820;mircea_popescu;you got a graham fixation or somfin' ? 519654;1392910823;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07299999 = 0.219 BTC [+] 519655;1392910895;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Nah, but he makes it clear he is the money slut. I just turned 28. Going off of the lifespoans of most of my close relatives I've only got 22 years left at most. 519656;1392910929;BingoBoingo;I'm not giving up, so he is going to have to learn to pay the piper. 519657;1392910973;mircea_popescu;guy is what, 60 ? give him a break. 519658;1392910984;mircea_popescu;you're like some chick indignant that rms won't wash for her. 519659;1392910993;mircea_popescu;"but i'm 28! and my tits are really nice!!1" 519660;1392911102;BingoBoingo;lol, fair enough. Maybe it is 'Murica, but in my ancestry lives past 50 years of age seem to be... rather uncommon. 519661;1392911163;BingoBoingo;I'll be back. Imma try to sleep while the storm raid sirens are STFU. 519662;1392911607;pankkake;perhaps they didn't eat paleo 519663;1392912078;nubbins`;hi 519664;1392912103;mircea_popescu;hey 519665;1392912172;mike_c;BingoBoingo: last sale was to me, so you don't have *all* the orders on x-bt :) 519666;1392913578;Mallstromm;Withdrawals not working on Bitstamp 519667;1392913593;Mallstromm;http://www.dumpt.com/img/viewer.php?file=c5n76shw9wspczpdmnge.jpg 519668;1392913597;Mallstromm;sweet stuff 519669;1392913610;kakobrekla;THE COMPUTER SAYS NO 519670;1392913638;Mallstromm;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=476614.0 519671;1392913640;ozbot;Anyone else got bitstamp btc withdrawal problems? 519672;1392913650;mike_c;what an infuriating error message 519673;1392913833;kakobrekla;no dude 519674;1392913839;kakobrekla;"Bitstamp. How an exchange should be run. " 519675;1392913845;kakobrekla;DONT YA KNOW?! 519676;1392913873;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07002301 = 0.14 BTC [-] 519677;1392913890;mike_c;best in the business. it's like being the best spammer or something. 519678;1392914050;kakobrekla;lel 519679;1392914070;nubbins`;** ATTENTION ** As per our terms of service, we only service Canadian Citizens. If you deposit BTC, you will **NOT** be able to withdraw them until you are level 1 Verified or higher. Failure to get level 1 verified or higher will result in the **FORFEITURE OF YOUR COINS**!!! 519680;1392914073;nubbins`;^ cavirtex 519681;1392914086;nubbins`;as a canadian citizen, i eagerly await my servicing 519682;1392914101;nubbins`;my body is ready 519683;1392914104;Bugpowder;This is probably the first time Mark K has bitten off more than he could chew. 519684;1392914144;mircea_popescu;wait, forfeiture of coins ? 519685;1392914187;mircea_popescu;you mean people don't have the god given right to send bitcoin to any address for any purpose they themselves established ? 519686;1392914187;kakobrekla;he did that the first time he installed bitcoind Bugpowder 519687;1392914238;nubbins`;oh, they have the right 519688;1392914246;nubbins`;they just don't have the right to get their coins returned to them 519689;1392914254;Bugpowder; Incoming Bitcoin that doesn't exactly match a quoted sum will be simply kept, reported as profits and distributed to MPEx shareholders. 519690;1392914296;kakobrekla;yeah but we all know he is just crazy. 519691;1392914520;mjr_;hi all 519692;1392914525;nubbins`;hi 519693;1392914533;mjr_;whats new in the world? 519694;1392914546;nubbins`;trying to build eulora, gonna grind up some beef soon 519695;1392914571;Apocalyptic;.d 519696;1392914571;ozbot;3129573174.52229 | Next Diff in 1383 blocks | Estimated Change: 19.8444% in 7d 16h 45m 14s 519697;1392914574;mjr_;nice 519698;1392914605;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.16230094 = 1.2984 BTC [-] 519699;1392914735;mjr_;ah...gox is getting to be pretty annoying 519700;1392914910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00086638 = 6.1513 BTC [+] 519701;1392915182;dexX7_;woah x_X my test withdrawal from kraken to fidor bank via sepa did not even take one hour 519702;1392915353;nubbins`;:o 519703;1392915459;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0645 = 0.129 BTC [+] 519704;1392915558;mircea_popescu;nubbins` a yes lemme know 519705;1392915564;mircea_popescu;dexX7_ wd. 519706;1392915581;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.90663431 BTC to 2`373 shares, 80347 satoshi per share 519707;1392915581;mircea_popescu;sepa is normally like that. provided, you know, the exchange actually sends it. 519708;1392915628;davout;hey mjr_ 519709;1392915636;mjr_;what up 519710;1392915644;jurov;depends, sepa can arrive next day 519711;1392915644;mjr_;how are you doing? 519712;1392915693;AndrewWhatsUpppp;sepa is a month+ last i heard 519713;1392915742;ThickAsThieves;Spanish banking group BBVA acquires Simple for $117 million in cash 519714;1392915825;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-] 519715;1392915835;jurov;AndrewWhatsUpppp that's mtgox exclusive feature 519716;1392915849;AndrewWhatsUpppp;haha 519717;1392915861;AndrewWhatsUpppp;true. realSEPA (lol) is 1-2 business days yes 519718;1392915872;mircea_popescu;AndrewWhatsUpppp congratulations on being bought out for 190 billion. 519719;1392915873;AndrewWhatsUpppp;especially if your whole country has adopted the IBAN standard 519720;1392915925;TwinWinNerD;If the bank actually sends out the SEPA it is there within hours. But banking... 519721;1392915936;ThickAsThieves;http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/20/doug-kass-doubles-down-on-tesla-short/ 519722;1392915937;ozbot;Doug Kass Doubles Down on Tesla Short - MoneyBeat - WSJ 519723;1392915966;mircea_popescu;that's not going to end well. 519724;1392916069;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.0004458 = 0.2229 BTC [+] {4} 519725;1392916116;Bugpowder;Trading 101 - How to dollar-cost average a short: Don’t. 519726;1392916158;mircea_popescu;at least he's a qualified investor. 519727;1392916252;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.063 = 0.315 BTC [-] {2} 519728;1392916413;mike_c;dollar-cost average is my second favorite "finance" term after head-and-shoulders. 519729;1392916460;mircea_popescu;i always wonder why it's not tit and elbow. 519730;1392916496;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 363 @ 0.0055 = 1.9965 BTC 519731;1392916965;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: not too crucial, but i don't think the new src actually does come with instructions 519732;1392916981;mircea_popescu;what's missing ? 519733;1392917000;nubbins`;instructions :D 519734;1392917049;mircea_popescu;you're not helping me :p 519735;1392917055;nubbins`;haha. 519736;1392917078;nubbins`;your post mentioned something about the source including instructions for building the client 519737;1392917084;mircea_popescu;well yes. 519738;1392917093;mircea_popescu;jamfiles etc 519739;1392917105;nubbins`;ah, aha. yes, sure 519740;1392917116;nubbins`;i suppose that's a form of instruction 519741;1392917129;nubbins`;i was searching for a README or something 519742;1392917131;mircea_popescu;but you know, i dunno what you want/need unless you say 519743;1392917132;mircea_popescu;o 519744;1392917145;nubbins`;altho TBF if you can't figure out how to use jam, instructions are going to be of minimal help 519745;1392917154;mircea_popescu;theres an automake or somesuch script i think 519746;1392917157;nubbins`;nod 519747;1392917214;nubbins`;ran into the same issues as before, likely related to apple's bundling their own fork of LLVM 519748;1392917236;mircea_popescu;as in it won't make or won't compile at all ? 519749;1392917270;ThickAsThieves;lawsky AMA open for questions http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1ygcil/as_requested_im_ben_lawsky_superintendent_of_the/ 519750;1392917278;nubbins`;lots of compile errors. i think i'm gonna try to install it via macports 519751;1392917302;nubbins`;need to do some more reading but IIRC macports lets you specify one of many versions of gcc 519752;1392917533;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-] 519753;1392917691;ThickAsThieves;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bg7rS1gIEAA9jB6.jpg:large 519754;1392917715;ThickAsThieves;is that a fingerprint scanner on his kb? 519755;1392917779;ThickAsThieves;what shitty desk setup 519756;1392917786;ThickAsThieves;where do his legs go 519757;1392917787;mircea_popescu;why the fuck does he have a gamebox 519758;1392917793;mircea_popescu;or wtf lame console i don't even know is that ? 519759;1392917810;ThickAsThieves;supernintendo lawsky meme 519760;1392917818;ThickAsThieves;he's into it 519761;1392917834;mircea_popescu;jesus. 519762;1392917862;mircea_popescu;desk too low, that thing actually looks like he's moved into his master's house as a junior slavegirl and they didn't have a spare room so he got the closet. 519763;1392917930;mircea_popescu;at least he got a blue shirt so should be ok. 519764;1392917937;mircea_popescu;that's finance, right ? 519765;1392917939;nubbins`;confirmed, his knees don't go under that keyboard tray 519766;1392917945;ThickAsThieves;blue shirt red tie, horrible 519767;1392917954;nubbins`;his back must hurt all the time 519768;1392917964;ThickAsThieves;and look how low his monitors are 519769;1392917967;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves it's a power tie. it's what real high power business execs do. 519770;1392917969;ThickAsThieves;hunch all day 519771;1392917969;mircea_popescu;if it's 2006. 519772;1392917992;mircea_popescu;i don't get these people with the top of monitor alligned to nostril arrangements. 519773;1392917998;ThickAsThieves;we're so lame 519774;1392918000;nubbins`;http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-95jJQwpsuhk/TxAqf84m62I/AAAAAAAABtI/xoZX_-7nANo/s1600/-9.jpg 519775;1392918001;ThickAsThieves;lol 519776;1392918001;mircea_popescu;here i am harranguing you people about letters too smal 519777;1392918003;nubbins`;blue shirt red tie 519778;1392918033;ThickAsThieves;is that gay will smith? 519779;1392918044;mircea_popescu;and meanwhile the ny bureaucracy is stuck nosedripping past the screen 519780;1392918061;ThickAsThieves;anyone have any good questions for him? 519781;1392918065;mircea_popescu;nubbins` the shoes are the most worrisome. 519782;1392918073;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i want to know why is his desk so low. 519783;1392918079;mircea_popescu;isn't he uncomfortable there ? 519784;1392918114;nubbins`;"shoes" 519785;1392918126;nubbins`;that's like calling a condom a pair of pants 519786;1392918198;pLambert;see, he never actually uses the computer, he has another desk to his right 519787;1392918201;mircea_popescu;sarcasm is the highest form of internetwit. 519788;1392918216;mircea_popescu;pLambert so your theory is basically scamcomputerdesk ? 519789;1392918233;pLambert;more that the computer is there for show 519790;1392918239;mircea_popescu;right. 519791;1392918243;mircea_popescu;ken lansky. 519792;1392918256;ThickAsThieves;aww i can only post every 8min 519793;1392918260;ThickAsThieves;lame 519794;1392918266;mircea_popescu;how 8 ?! 519795;1392918268;ThickAsThieves;or 10 or whatever 519796;1392918277;mircea_popescu;you gotta mine a reddit block ? 519797;1392918278;ThickAsThieves;"you are doing that too much. try again in 8 minutes." 519798;1392918325;ThickAsThieves;i did ask "Would you agree that money laundering is now impossible to stop due to inter-cryptocurrency exchanges and a global market outside of the US?" 519799;1392918326;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07002201 = 0.4902 BTC [-] {3} 519800;1392918327;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.063 = 0.63 BTC [-] 519801;1392918343;mircea_popescu;such a pointless question. 519802;1392918360;ThickAsThieves;couldnt think of anything i actually wanted to know from him 519803;1392918373;mircea_popescu;ask some chick you met in a bar if she'd agree she's never going to get satisfactorily laid ever again in her life. 519804;1392918384;ThickAsThieves;well 519805;1392918394;nubbins`;9/10 would say "i agree" 519806;1392918405;ThickAsThieves;it's more putting the topic on the table to see what he says 519807;1392918408;nubbins`;the other 1 in ten have heard of me 519808;1392918436;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves bad medium for that approach. i can afford it with noobs here cause they're stuck with me. amas tho... 519809;1392918473;ThickAsThieves;well the first reply shows it 519810;1392918495;ThickAsThieves;"there is no evidence that money-launderers , South American Drug Barrons or international terrorist have , of have any intention of EVER using Bitcoin ( The transaction logs on the blockchain will render them traceable ) So they will stick with the good old fashioned Dollar ( latest estimates is that there is over 1.5trillion Dollars involved world-wide ) any comments Ben ?" 519811;1392918502;mircea_popescu;tbh i kinda like the guy. i mean he looks uncomfortable as all hell and plenty clueless, 519812;1392918509;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02230888 = 0.1115 BTC [-] {4} 519813;1392918510;mircea_popescu;but otherwise i suspect he means well. 519814;1392918515;ThickAsThieves;i like him too 519815;1392918526;ThickAsThieves;i think he likes bitcoin much more than he'll let on 519816;1392918545;mircea_popescu;not much of a criterion, that. 519817;1392918552;mircea_popescu;so far bitcoin's been helped more by people that hated it 519818;1392918555;mircea_popescu;than by those loving it. 519819;1392918561;Mats_cd03;i think its relatively easy to launder bitcoin 519820;1392918579;ThickAsThieves;well this is a guy that has an arsenal of red tape and idiocy at his disposal 519821;1392918593;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, do you know if i should be using a specific snapshot of crystalspace-2.1? http://crystalspace3d.org/cvs-snapshots/zip/ 519822;1392918615;Mats_cd03;certainly not trillions but i could see hundreds of millions being feasible 519823;1392918638;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 how exactly do you put the limit ? 519824;1392918648;mircea_popescu;if i can launder a dime i can launder a quadrillion. 519825;1392918650;Mats_cd03;i dont, its arbitrary 519826;1392918651;nubbins`;latest stable is 2.0, but ./configure checks for >= 2.1 519827;1392918652;mircea_popescu;just rotate it. 519828;1392918678;ThickAsThieves;;;ticker --market mtgox 519829;1392918679;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 122.0, Best ask: 123.6, Bid-ask spread: 1.60000, Last trade: 121.0, 24 hour volume: 85791.15253635, 24 hour low: 120.69, 24 hour high: 276.24152, 24 hour vwap: 178.66003 519830;1392918722;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you know the thing is in the first bundle 519831;1392918728;nubbins`;aha! 519832;1392918735;nubbins`;ty 519833;1392918753;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC 519834;1392918779;mircea_popescu;mp mp. 519835;1392918807;ThickAsThieves;lawsky: "I think new, careful regulations, especially related to preventing money laundering, will make banks more comfortable with Bitcoin-related activity over time." 519836;1392918808;nubbins`;mircea popescu magic points 519837;1392918815;ThickAsThieves;asnwering a diff q 519838;1392918817;mircea_popescu;my pleasure 519839;1392918821;nubbins`;i know ;( 519840;1392918875;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0625 = 0.125 BTC [-] 519841;1392918997;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07005 = 1.4711 BTC [+] {2} 519842;1392919058;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07000024 = 1.4 BTC [-] 519843;1392919089;benkay;mircea_popescu: method of currency my sides 519844;1392919118;benkay;exponential growth; logarithmic leaps! 519845;1392919167;mircea_popescu;waitwut 519846;1392919252;jcpham;goxfail is an interesting dynamic to follow 519847;1392919281;jcpham;either masterful manipulation of throngs of users who expect insolvency 519848;1392919290;jcpham;i can't tell which yet 519849;1392919307;nubbins`;yeh, interesting times 519850;1392919325;Mats_cd03;time to buy more btc 519851;1392919335;nubbins`;people buy btc? 519852;1392919336;jcpham;very interesting to see if it stops and where 519853;1392919349;ThickAsThieves;how is it masterful? 519854;1392919358;ThickAsThieves;things that are obvious are not genius or masterful 519855;1392919362;jcpham;i've always thought it was gox 519856;1392919373;ThickAsThieves;mostly just criminal in this case 519857;1392919375;jcpham;and it isn't obviously mtgox doing it is it? 519858;1392919385;ThickAsThieves;it is 519859;1392919399;jcpham;proof because i just speculate it 519860;1392919408;jcpham;i always have though 519861;1392919413;mircea_popescu;that's ok, jcpham just has this insane british passion of arguing for the dead underdog. 519862;1392919424;mircea_popescu;it usually fucks him in the ass, but he keeps a stiff upper buttlip and limps on. 519863;1392919474;jcpham;unless you guys know of some specific citable proof that mtgox internally is doing this 519864;1392919504;jcpham;i still say masterful manipulation on mtgox's part for not being proven to do it yet 519865;1392919514;jcpham;txn volume alone 519866;1392919529;mircea_popescu;derp. 519867;1392919533;ThickAsThieves;occam was never one to smack proof over the head 519868;1392919540;jcpham;not the razor! 519869;1392919543;mircea_popescu;you know who else isn't proven to be "doing it" yet ? 519870;1392919548;mircea_popescu;gbbg or w/e it was called, that thing. 519871;1392919552;mircea_popescu;bggb 519872;1392919556;mircea_popescu;something. 519873;1392919575;ThickAsThieves;bel biv devoe? 519874;1392919583;mircea_popescu;some dumbass forum "security" 519875;1392919617;mircea_popescu;but when you're done with the derp and are actually ready to look the proof over, try for instance https://twitter.com/krtek_net/status/436492419811405824 519876;1392919637;mircea_popescu;i dunno how clearer than "we're only executing sell orders if they're over XXX arbitrary value" you can get. 519877;1392919716;ThickAsThieves;and this http://i.imgur.com/qLYhzR3.jpg 519878;1392919755;ThickAsThieves;we know it wasnt Namworld selling all dem coins 519879;1392919800;nubbins`;haha 519880;1392919802;nubbins`;nice graph 519881;1392919889;Bugpowder;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_U4a8YoB9w 519882;1392919890;ozbot;Apocalypse Now - Intro (HD) - YouTube 519883;1392919890;mircea_popescu;trilema is now using 3mB/s 519884;1392919894;mircea_popescu;what the fuck people ;/ 519885;1392919920;nubbins`;your popeuloraty is rising 519886;1392919927;nubbins`;(swidt?) 519887;1392919939;mircea_popescu;lol popehatness. 519888;1392919995;mircea_popescu;i gotta say, ancient wordpress is superbly solid software. 519889;1392920005;mircea_popescu;that's a modest server really spitting out all that shit. 519890;1392920075;ThickAsThieves;gox gonna break 100 519891;1392920081;Bugpowder;yep 519892;1392920085;Mallstromm;double digits here we come 519893;1392920091;Bugpowder;makes no sense to me 519894;1392920101;Bugpowder;you aren't getting your dollars out either 519895;1392920108;ThickAsThieves;you assume it 519896;1392920109;Bugpowder;why not have 5x the value 519897;1392920111;ThickAsThieves;s not mostly gox 519898;1392920112;nubbins`;lelling at the goxbtc-for-realbtc trade in -otc these days 519899;1392920113;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder might as well enjoy the trading. 519900;1392920123;mircea_popescu;nubbins` is it going well ? 519901;1392920134;nubbins`;we won't know until later 519902;1392920149;nubbins`;rather, it's going well, we're just not sure who it's going well for 519903;1392920158;dexX7_;almost 3k traded today on bitcoinbuilder.com, no idea how much went through -otc 519904;1392920160;Bugpowder;Any actual lawsuit shutdown payout will probably come up with a market valuation for the BTC and disburse assets accordingly 519905;1392920174;ThickAsThieves;in 2016 519906;1392920190;Bugpowder;how can they not have the coins? 519907;1392920191;Bugpowder;really 519908;1392920194;ThickAsThieves;by then ATC will rule 519909;1392920198;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder lolsuit. remember they still owe the bitcoinica btc ? 519910;1392920200;ThickAsThieves;really? 519911;1392920210;Bugpowder;a hot wallet might have been scooped 519912;1392920213;uglux;how much? 519913;1392920214;Bugpowder;but not the cold storage 519914;1392920220;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder it's all gone. 519915;1392920225;mircea_popescu;that's what the "malleability" bs was all about. 519916;1392920232;ThickAsThieves;bug they were sending coins more than once 519917;1392920233;mircea_popescu;they emptied whatever was left and that's that. 519918;1392920243;Bugpowder;not from a cold wallet 519919;1392920245;ThickAsThieves;the loss can be as large as their derp 519920;1392920245;mircea_popescu;uglux 20k, something. 519921;1392920258;Bugpowder;what was the last wallet address they signed from? 519922;1392920268;Mats_cd03;they prob emptied a cold wallet or five before they knee about the bug 519923;1392920270;nubbins`;it's a wonder that a gang of weeaboos hasn't violently assaulted karplelelel yet 519924;1392920278;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02000264 = 0.12 BTC [-] 519925;1392920279;Mats_cd03;knew* 519926;1392920296;ThickAsThieves;seriously, at this point i wanna beat him down just because 519927;1392920306;kakobrekla;the gang is almost doubling every day 519928;1392920311;kakobrekla;now at 3 people. 519929;1392920315;ThickAsThieves;lo 519930;1392920315;mircea_popescu;lol 519931;1392920327;Mats_cd03;hit him with your keyboard 519932;1392920330;ThickAsThieves;it's a protest bubble! 519933;1392920330;mircea_popescu;a GANG of weaboos ? this reminds me of the old mp skit about the evil grannies. 519934;1392920394;ThickAsThieves;"Many bitcoin enthusiasts think that the widespread adoption of some form of cryptocurrency is an inevitability and that unfriendly governments such as China and Russia will ultimately be powerless to stop it. Do you share this view?" 519935;1392920402;ThickAsThieves;Lawsky: Hard to put the genie back in the bottle. I can't predict the future but Bitcoin is certainly a new powerful technology that holds a lot of promise for the future if we can mitigate some of the potential negatives like money laundering. 519936;1392920415;nubbins`;yeah, i guess it's a bit of a reach that weeaboos could organize in meatspace 519937;1392920418;benkay;Mats_cd03: re: cleaning coins: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/01/31_mix-your-coins-for-1-bitbet-as-mixer.html 519938;1392920468;pankkake;but bitbets are public 519939;1392920478;benkay;mircea_popescu: referring to your link ibm/bitcoin poster and the failure of education 519940;1392920482;benkay;u no ams see "private bitbet" pankkake?! 519941;1392920510;mircea_popescu;that link was such sad fail. 519942;1392920515;pankkake;certes 519943;1392920524;Mallstromm;bitbet "war chest" 519944;1392920526;Mallstromm;LOL 519945;1392920541;Mallstromm;maybe they were referring to Mircea's "milky-white chest" 519946;1392920545;ThickAsThieves;but the coins arent even cleaned 519947;1392920552;ThickAsThieves;they are just sent back to you, no? 519948;1392920625;ThickAsThieves;lol 4600 coins bid at 110.00 519949;1392920658;dignork;ThickAsThieves, coins might be different, but bitbet is useless for hiding, bet wins are returned to the same address, or the one mentioned in initial transfer, so it's easy track 519950;1392920673;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know how Мичурин died btw ? 519951;1392920686;benkay;ThickAsThieves: you can check with mircea_popescu and kakobrekla but i believe you'll be getting older coins than you put int. 519952;1392920692;mircea_popescu;dignork how do you reason ? 519953;1392920693;benkay;dignork: bet wins are returned to the address of your choice - get it right. 519954;1392920694;ThickAsThieves;dignork you can specify a new payout address 519955;1392920709;Mallstromm;lol, only $2M on Gox's order book :D :D :D 519956;1392920723;dignork;ThickAsThieves: yes, you can, but return address is posted in the betting transaction 519957;1392920726;ThickAsThieves;now if BitBet itself also needs to clean coins, i could see this working out 519958;1392920731;ThickAsThieves;:) 519959;1392920755;ThickAsThieves;not on private bets 519960;1392920758;uglux;gox is a fucking casino now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg5264088#msg5264088https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg5264088#msg5264088 519961;1392920760;ThickAsThieves;dignork ^ 519962;1392920769;mircea_popescu;dignork so what if the address is posted ? 519963;1392920791;ThickAsThieves;i wonder if gox will go to single digits 519964;1392920801;mircea_popescu;lol it'd be epic if they actually put a dice system in. 519965;1392920809;dignork;mircea_popescu, for proper tumbling return address should be passed out of band, reading about private bets now 519966;1392920829;mircea_popescu;i do not follow your logic. so address is published. so ? 519967;1392920903;benkay;american banks fading in relevance: http://venturebeat.com/2014/02/20/online-bank-simple-acquired-by-spains-bbva-for-117m-with-a-focus-on-international-growth/ 519968;1392920922;mircea_popescu;chec it out, 1% of snapchat or w/e it was. 519969;1392920958;benkay;mircea_popescu dignork: even so, private bets hold addresses...private, keeping third parties from bridging through scraping bitbet 519970;1392920963;kakobrekla;omg lolz www.bitcoinbuilder.com 519971;1392920998;Bugpowder;just-dice is much better for mixing 519972;1392921024;mircea_popescu;don't they do the sdice include inputs in outputs ? 519973;1392921065;Bugpowder;was better. I'm not sure actually, haven't been following along lately. 519974;1392921071;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 519975;1392921086;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla lol they do payouts once a day ? suicide. 519976;1392921090;mircea_popescu;how many days are there. 519977;1392921105;kakobrekla;i dunno just got the link from bug :> 519978;1392921165;nubbins`;lovely responsive design there 519979;1392921201;kakobrekla;kinda broked neh? 519980;1392921251;mircea_popescu;Morgan Housel @TMFHousel Critics: Mark Zuckerberg understands the value of social networks better than you do. That's why he's Mark Zuckerberg and you're a critic. 519981;1392921251;mircea_popescu;Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu @TMFHousel @EddyElfenbein Thank you Mr. Candide. Pangloss is calling, run along now. 519982;1392921255;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/0c2rj74 519983;1392921256;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 519984;1392921259;nubbins`;masterful 519985;1392921261;mircea_popescu;i'm pasting this here because i'd like at least one person to get it. 519986;1392921270;mircea_popescu;and i don't see it happening on twitter... 519987;1392921298;mircea_popescu;nubbins` at least it's not titstrap. 519988;1392921317;benkay;HAW 519989;1392921498;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 132 @ 0.00292 = 0.3854 BTC [-] 519990;1392921591;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/ 519991;1392921592;ozbot;BitBet - BTC/USD at MtGox will be above $150 on Mar 1st 2014 519992;1392921594;mircea_popescu;holy shit this will burn. 519993;1392921616;mircea_popescu;3:45 atm. ppl gonna make out like bandits. 519994;1392921645;benkay;mhm 519995;1392921648;benkay;weight's working correctly on that one too. 519996;1392921671;ThickAsThieves;i got .1 at 3169 weight, not great, but not bad 519997;1392921700;ThickAsThieves;bitbet has .07 at 99999 weight 519998;1392921704;ThickAsThieves;hehe 519999;1392921712;mircea_popescu;ya bitbet will make what, 1 btc there ? 520000;1392921755;ThickAsThieves;yep 520001;1392921772;mircea_popescu;course it could just as well go to 3983409583409853098 on the 1st 520002;1392921778;ThickAsThieves;indeed 520003;1392921841;ThickAsThieves;kinda surprised bitstamp price is hanging in there 520004;1392921846;ThickAsThieves;575 atm 520005;1392921934;mircea_popescu;check out 1994 : 520006;1392921935;mircea_popescu;GEORGE: Really? (Jerry shakes his head) Maybe this will become like a cool thing, living with your parents. 520007;1392921936;mircea_popescu;JERRY: (sarcastically) Ya, then maybe baldness will catch on. This will all be turning your way. 520008;1392921941;mircea_popescu;today is 2014, and needless to say... 520009;1392921991;nubbins`;a cool thing 520010;1392922251;ThickAsThieves;this AMA blows 520011;1392922262;ThickAsThieves;first one i've ever followed live 520012;1392922296;ThickAsThieves;basically it's meaningless words with "but money laundering" weaved in 520013;1392922455;benkay;sounds like typical usg propaganda 520014;1392922462;Bugpowder;I stopped the terrorists and created 2.5 million jobs with my bit license 520015;1392922482;Bugpowder;Lawsky's stump speech for NY gov 2016 520016;1392922568;ThickAsThieves;is pot legal in NY yet? he can add that to his agenda 520017;1392922609;Bugpowder;http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/20/balanced-coinbase-bitcoin/ 520018;1392922610;ozbot;Marketplace Payments Startup Balanced Partners With Coinbase And Adds Bitcoin Support | TechCrunch 520019;1392922657;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50996 BTC [-] 520020;1392922694;mircea_popescu;he's not running for governor. 520021;1392922758;ThickAsThieves;mayor? 520022;1392922759;mircea_popescu;i wonder if this ends up in a coinlab-esque trial. 520023;1392922772;mircea_popescu;nah they have a commie kid for mayor, he'll stick till the town sinks. 520024;1392922795;Bugpowder;ok 2020 USPrez 520025;1392922819;mircea_popescu;i think he may be trying for a job in the actual institutions 520026;1392922822;mircea_popescu;sec, whatever. 520027;1392922857;ThickAsThieves;except he'll just end up cryptolord, cuz no one else will wanna be it 520028;1392922988;mircea_popescu;;;google lansky new york 520029;1392922989;gribble;Lansky's Old World Deli - CLOSED - Upper West Side - New York ...: ; Lansky's New York | American, Pasta, Breakfast | Order Online | 235 ...: ; West Side Rag » LANSKY'S DELI CLOSES: 520030;1392922994;benkay;cryptolord of NYC 520031;1392923000;benkay;i don't want it. 520032;1392923002;mircea_popescu;check that out, a closed deli outranks him in ny. 520033;1392923003;benkay;and i *like* the place. 520034;1392923020;mircea_popescu;i tell you i dun see governor. 520035;1392923024;Bugpowder;LAWSKY 520036;1392923032;benkay;;;google lawsky new york 520037;1392923033;gribble;Benjamin M. Lawsky - Department of Financial Services - New York ...: ; Benjamin Lawsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Ben Lawsky (BenLawsky) on Twitter: 520038;1392923053;mircea_popescu;o silly me. 520039;1392923171;mircea_popescu;young guy, anwyay. too soon to say where he ends up. 520040;1392923298;benkay;us young guys - too young to get shitloads of dollars into btc at the right time, doomed to toil for the cryptolords forever. 520041;1392923332;mircea_popescu;the wonders of deflationary currencies. 520042;1392923356;benkay;check your privilege, mircea_popescu 520043;1392923467;pLambert;so, when MtGox goes away in a day or two, will the price on the other exchanges go back up to 1000? 520044;1392923484;nubbins`;in a day or two, heh 520045;1392923495;nubbins`;willing to put some money behind that? 520046;1392923551;pLambert;nah, I dont like to bet on idiots 520047;1392923565;benkay;but those are the best bets! 520048;1392923810;dignork;mircea_popescu, sorry I had to jump offline for a bit, back to the using bitbet as a tumbler, private bets do provide this function, but bitbet.us is not accessible over tor and does not work over https... 520049;1392923848;nubbins`;no https! 520050;1392923877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97375 @ 0.00086765 = 84.4874 BTC [+] {6} 520051;1392923881;Bugpowder;Gox is solvent 520052;1392923890;asciilifeform;no, gox is solute. 520053;1392923890;Bugpowder;we need a new bitbet 520054;1392923898;mircea_popescu;dignork why isn't it accessible over tor ?! 520055;1392923941;dignork;mircea_popescu: I meant it does not implement hidden service, or at least I couldn't find the interface 520056;1392923958;asciilifeform;bitbet is perfectly accessible over tor. but exits can easily substitute in magic addrs instead of the supplied ones. 520057;1392923961;mircea_popescu;it doesn't as an onion, no, if that's what you meant 520058;1392923999;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.02000263 = 0.26 BTC [-] {2} 520059;1392924006;dignork;mircea_popescu: yep, I meant onion addr, the point is to encrypt the traffic, not identity of the player 520060;1392924008;mircea_popescu;what's https help anyway ? 520061;1392924016;mircea_popescu;i don't think you 520062;1392924023;nubbins`;^ 520063;1392924024;mircea_popescu;'re proceeding with a clear understanding of what you wish to achieve 520064;1392924033;mircea_popescu;but moreover are trying to do a particular dance. 520065;1392924059;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as this is true, and you wish to do "x-tumbler-dance" obviously bitbet won't be a good solution for oyu. 520066;1392924158;pLambert;use bitbet as tumbler: put in small bet on winning side, put in large (to be laundered) bet on the losing side. Voila, instead of having stolen bitcoins you now have gambling winnings. 520067;1392924162;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder solvent in the sense of sniffing glue ? 520068;1392924197;nubbins`;"i am the solvent" 520069;1392924247;dignork;mircea_popescu: I don't care if it's called tumbler, the idea is that person A sends funds to person B in untraceable way. Placing bet over public channel is not so untraceable. 520070;1392924320;mircea_popescu;take a bet with a:b odds. place bet A on a going to A', bet B on b going to B'. 520071;1392924328;mircea_popescu;either A or B is "dirtly", the rest are clean. 520072;1392924336;mircea_popescu;you are now completely separated. 520073;1392924402;Mallstromm;really? 520074;1392924411;dignork;mircea_popescu: assuming it's a private bet, placed over clear channel, it's trivially linked 520075;1392924413;Mallstromm;are you guys still discussing about the retarded "bitbet as a tumbler" issue? 520076;1392924415;nubbins`;but the guy monitoring his non-https traffic is observing him placing these bets 520077;1392924417;Mallstromm;like 5 hours later? 520078;1392924425;nubbins`;Mallstromm, they took a break 520079;1392924434;nubbins`;are you harping on people for having a conversation? 520080;1392924435;nubbins`;;p 520081;1392924436;mircea_popescu;dignork maybe trivially doesn't mean what you think it means. 520082;1392924437;dignork;if it's a public bet, you're risking odds change 520083;1392924445;mircea_popescu;so use small sums. 520084;1392924459;mircea_popescu;Mallstromm did you want to contribute something ? 520085;1392924463;Mallstromm;yep 520086;1392924477;Mallstromm;if you want to tumble your coins, just send them to bitcoinfog.com and follow the procedure 520087;1392924488;nubbins`;but i don't trust bitcoinfog 520088;1392924498;mircea_popescu;who is bitcoinfog ? 520089;1392924509;Mallstromm;what it's sure is that sending the "tainted" coins from address A to receive them back to address A is just retarded. 520090;1392924516;mircea_popescu;How the service works 520091;1392924517;mircea_popescu;You register an account on our website 520092;1392924519;mircea_popescu;are you retarded ? 520093;1392924532;Apocalyptic;i'm pretty sure they are selectively scamming 520094;1392924534;dignork;mircea_popescu: i do not mean script kiddie intercepting plaintext http traffic to bitbet, I mean trivial for law enforcement for example 520095;1392924537;Mallstromm;mircea: just a little 520096;1392924548;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.101 = 0.202 BTC [-] {2} 520097;1392924550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 520098;1392924551;mircea_popescu;dignork doing what dood ? 520099;1392924560;mircea_popescu;so you lost some money on a bet, and some people won it. 520100;1392924561;mircea_popescu;now what. 520101;1392924570;Mallstromm;dignork: well, if LE is sniffing your traffic that means they are physically VERY CLOSE to you... Thus you have much bigger problems 520102;1392924597;dignork;Mallstromm, I assume LE sniffing bitbet traffic 520103;1392924620;Mallstromm;dignork: I've used bitcoinfog many times. It works just fine. They've been in business for more than a year now. It's as safe as it gets. Just do not send hundreds of coins but a few dozens at a time 520104;1392924625;MisterE;hah, people are selling off interest in their coins locked up in Cox 520105;1392924630;nubbins`;"as safe as it gets" 520106;1392924631;asciilifeform;dignork, Mallstromm: if you're using tor, children are sniffing your traffic 520107;1392924631;nubbins`;get out 520108;1392924632;asciilifeform;and laughing. 520109;1392924636;MisterE;sounds like CDF to me 520110;1392924658;mircea_popescu;Mallstromm may i point out that the firm guarantees of nobody are worth nothing ? 520111;1392924669;mircea_popescu;get in the wot, come back in a year, i might care. probably i won't, but anywya. 520112;1392924680;nubbins`;maybe i'm just being obtuse, but i'm not sure where the confusion is here 520113;1392924684;MisterE;but in person 520114;1392924689;MisterE;buy* 520115;1392924694;MisterE;only tru anon 520116;1392924705;dignork;asciilifeform, sure, exit nodes are sniffing, or at least could, so it's a working assumption 520117;1392924724;Mallstromm;sure, exit nodes are sniffing my encrypted traffic 520118;1392924726;Mallstromm;good for them 520119;1392924732;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i'd tell you but i'm trying being polite ot the noobs. 520120;1392924746;asciilifeform;sniffing and, if they wish, changing. 520121;1392924752;Mallstromm;I'm sure not logging on my personal POP3, non-SSL email account through Tor 520122;1392924754;Mallstromm;:D 520123;1392924771;asciilifeform;what part of s/bitbetaddr/magicaddr is difficult to understand 520124;1392924773;nubbins`;suppose person X's traffic is being sniffed. person X sets up a private bitbet, with input address A and payout address B. sniffer observes this. sniffer now knows that person X controls address B. 520125;1392924784;nubbins`;hold my hand here, someone 520126;1392924826;mircea_popescu;nubbins` he knows no such thing. 520127;1392924830;mircea_popescu;i can use YOUR b. 520128;1392924834;mircea_popescu;i can use bitstamp's b 520129;1392924857;mircea_popescu;what now, joejobbing the bitcoin network because we're idiots and we think we can make statements about things we don;'t understand ? 520130;1392924918;nubbins`;okay, well, let's not get hung up on "know". fact remains that a direct connection has been made between A and B 520131;1392924925;nubbins`;by the sniffer 520132;1392924945;nubbins`;this is the essence of dignork's issue 520133;1392924949;mircea_popescu;where is this sniffer ? 520134;1392924956;mircea_popescu;bitbet side or user side ? 520135;1392924963;nubbins`;who cares 520136;1392924963;dignork;mircea_popescu: bitbet side 520137;1392924968;nubbins`;both sides 520138;1392924998;asciilifeform;given that bitbet pumps out unsigned text, there are no sides here 520139;1392925000;nubbins`;suppose he's in a submarine in the middle of the atlantic 520140;1392925050;mircea_popescu;i still don't get it. 520141;1392925064;asciilifeform;the man in the middle can present arbitrary crap instead of what bitbet pumped out. 520142;1392925072;mircea_popescu;so you ask for an address to bet, and insert an address to receive. 520143;1392925082;mircea_popescu;this now creates an association, you say ? 520144;1392925107;asciilifeform;(my observation was about plain theft, rather than de-anonymization) 520145;1392925167;nubbins`;i do say 520146;1392925173;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is a barb here. bitbet addresses are rather consecutive if you've noticed. 520147;1392925186;asciilifeform;so swap out the 'send winnings to' addr 520148;1392925203;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but the person can trivially verify this. 520149;1392925206;mircea_popescu;send 1 bitcent first 520150;1392925210;asciilifeform;while, when bitbet replies, preserve the genuine addr (that user pasted) in the text. 520151;1392925217;mircea_popescu;that shows you on the site where it thinks btc is going out. 520152;1392925271;mircea_popescu;so you know, if you're worried, do it like that 520153;1392925277;mircea_popescu;and you might even catch the rabbit. 520154;1392925281;asciilifeform;anyone actually do this? 520155;1392925287;mircea_popescu;if they give a shit they can 520156;1392925291;mircea_popescu;if they do not they don't have to. 520157;1392925294;mircea_popescu;perfect security model. 520158;1392925309;asciilifeform;trivial exercise: pump bitcoin addrs through tor (exits), see what comes out on the other end. 520159;1392925309;mircea_popescu;at any rate this is why bitbet addresses work the way they do on this score. 520160;1392925315;mircea_popescu;surely. 520161;1392925396;mircea_popescu;nubbins` so now address A dirty is connected to A', clean 520162;1392925404;mircea_popescu;whereas B clean is connected to B; dirty. 520163;1392925410;mircea_popescu;a loses, b wins. problem solved. 520164;1392925523;dignork;mircea_popescu: since bet is private, the bet itself is a link between A and B, the fact that bet was established over plaintext makes it not private in general. 520165;1392925535;mircea_popescu;dignork i was discussing open bets. 520166;1392925548;nubbins`;i was discussing closed ones :( 520167;1392925564;nubbins`;anyway, B isn't clean, the sniffer just watched their suspect tell bitbet to pay out to B 520168;1392925565;mircea_popescu;i dunno where this "closed bets as tumblr" thing started, but it's not so clever. 520169;1392925579;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you're not paying attention here. 520170;1392925614;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2014#520070 < 520171;1392925615;dignork;mircea_popescu: open bets as tumbler are not usable, since the fee, which contains odds change, is unpredictable 520172;1392925619;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 520173;1392925646;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 21 @ 0.01950488 = 0.4096 BTC [-] {5} 520174;1392925656;mircea_popescu;so pick bets that don't contain odds changes. 520175;1392925665;dignork;but they can be flatten on a series of bets, so ok, it can work 520176;1392925668;nubbins`;okay, so the person sniffing traffic just watched me provide two addresses, A' and B', to bitbet 520177;1392925678;mircea_popescu;why "you" ? 520178;1392925678;nubbins`;how is that clean? 520179;1392925692;mircea_popescu;it watched user x with a dirty A provide A' 520180;1392925692;nubbins`;why not me? anyone 520181;1392925698;mircea_popescu;and user y with clean B provide B' 520182;1392925707;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 75 @ 0.01930035 = 1.4475 BTC [-] {7} 520183;1392925768;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.01910042 = 0.1146 BTC [-] 520184;1392925780;nubbins`;...oh 520185;1392925785;nubbins`;i really wasn't paying attention 520186;1392925787;mircea_popescu;no, the word is d'oh. 520187;1392925789;benkay;but this thwarts the scammer's desire to launder all their money without having any to begin with. 520188;1392925813;mircea_popescu;anyway, this isn't so much an exercise in showing how great bitbet is for this purpose, but moreover on how trivial it is to use any properly designed service as a tumbler, 520189;1392925821;nubbins`;the omission of x vs y in the original statement threw me for a loop 520190;1392925821;mircea_popescu;and generally how retarded this "taint" bullshit is. 520191;1392925827;mircea_popescu;there's no taint in bitcoin. 520192;1392925871;mircea_popescu;thinking otherwise is right out of the book with the flat earth, the perpetuum mobile, the keynesian economics and so on and so forth. 520193;1392925881;mircea_popescu;mechanical rng, generally the states of sin. 520194;1392925934;mircea_popescu;who the fuck in his right mind would imagine that a) tor actually serves your anonimity or b) in order to anonimize you create accounts is beyond me. 520195;1392925939;mircea_popescu;seriously, what is wrong with people. 520196;1392925967;benkay;fiat thinking takes some time to disloge 520197;1392925979;Namworld;create accounts? 520198;1392925980;mircea_popescu;i guess, but srsly... 520199;1392925988;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall your piece on professional cattle management industry? 520200;1392925990;mircea_popescu;Namworld some derpy service, whatever. 520201;1392925997;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i guess I HAVE TO RECALL IT 520202;1392926003;mircea_popescu;may i live to forget it. 520203;1392926012;asciilifeform;just as every NYT turd is guaranteed to mention 'mtgox, the premier exchange,...' whenever it runs a piece on btc 520204;1392926027;asciilifeform;it is just as mandatory to mention 'tor, anonymity...' 520205;1392926037;mircea_popescu;"tor, anonimity, accounts" 520206;1392926046;mircea_popescu;;;google "partidul, ceausescu, romania" 520207;1392926047;gribble;Partidul Ceausescu Romania !.flv - YouTube: ; Partidul, Ceausescu, Romania - YouTube: ; Partidul Ceausescu Romania - YouTube: 520208;1392926056;asciilifeform;nobody cancelled herr goebbels, marketing genius 520209;1392926058;dignork;mircea_popescu: what's wrong with tor providing anonimity? I understand it's not absolute, but still better than nothing, and cheap. 520210;1392926059;asciilifeform;'repeat lie' 520211;1392926073;mircea_popescu;dignork i think the answer is contained in your question. 520212;1392926156;dignork;mircea_popescu: even lame proxies/vpns provide SOME level of anonimity, the fact that they're obviously not absolute does not make them useless. 520213;1392926192;mircea_popescu;dignork listen here, if you're trying to not be caught cutting school, going to the bar across the street where kids cutting school go isn't your best bet. 520214;1392926204;asciilifeform;the creation of the most humble lamer is still an improvement over a professionally-designed honeypot. 520215;1392926205;mircea_popescu;even if they have these funky hats that sort-of make you invisibly unrecognisable. 520216;1392926212;asciilifeform;if only because it creates no illusions 520217;1392926276;asciilifeform;u.s. media is almost a magical oracle of what not do to 520218;1392926295;asciilifeform;if the puppetmasters were clever, they'd occasionally let something useful and intelligent be printed 520219;1392926301;asciilifeform;just to mask this fact 520220;1392926307;mircea_popescu;what, to be just like the soviets ? 520221;1392926314;mircea_popescu;some progress, please. 520222;1392926321;asciilifeform;haha 520223;1392926343;dignork;mircea_popescu: ok, you suggest that mere fact of using tor, singles you. Since Snowden-induced paranoia this might not be a case anymore. 520224;1392926380;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/dear-guardian-stop-being-retarded/#comment-95392 520225;1392926381;ozbot;Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 520226;1392926382;mircea_popescu;see there. 520227;1392926386;asciilifeform;the sheer naivete. do we have to draw a picture here? 520228;1392926408;mircea_popescu;Mallstromm i hope you're taking notes. 520229;1392926415;asciilifeform;how long does it take to write a perlturd that tells a planted box which other units in a cage are pumping tor? 520230;1392926418;asciilifeform;10 minutes? 520231;1392926434;asciilifeform;then disks pulled, and the obvious endgame. 520232;1392926523;davout;why is there no "hitler has coins on gox" video yet 520233;1392926531;mircea_popescu;i don't think anyone actually pulls disks anymore do they ? 520234;1392926547;mod6;davout: srsly. 520235;1392926568;*;mod6 pulls 256 ddms 520236;1392926598;davout;i'm out, this internet sux 520237;1392926619;mircea_popescu;see you in boxxy 520238;1392926631;Apocalyptic;" actually, I think right now the entire mtgox issue is pretty relevant to bitcoin as a whole" 520239;1392926645;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic tell him to read moar trilema and stfu ? 520240;1392926647;Apocalyptic;why on earth would that be relevant ? 520241;1392926662;dignork;asciilifeform: pulled disk etc. This is a directed attack. I can imagine this picture, patyvans travels all over us,chaina,w/e and pull disks from all tor users. Srsly? 520242;1392926664;Apocalyptic;#bitcoin is turning reddit 520243;1392926713;mircea_popescu;a) you don't need all ; b) nobody actually pulls disks anymore. 520244;1392926715;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, probably wouldn't be able to appreciate what trilema has to offer 520245;1392926749;mircea_popescu;gotta give people a chance. 520246;1392926890;dignork;mircea_popescu: I read trilema, like your writing style and general mindset, it just doesn't mean I have to agree with everything you say 520247;1392926899;mircea_popescu;absolutely not. 520248;1392927323;Mallstromm;sure, using Tor singles you out. But if you use it correctly that's all they know - that you are using Tor. 520249;1392927339;Mallstromm;Of course using Tor on Windoze or OS X is just retarded 520250;1392927374;Mallstromm;probably modern Windoze and OSX are pumping all the data of somebody using Tor on that systems 520251;1392927402;Mallstromm;but on a custom linux distro is pretty safe. 520252;1392927423;Mallstromm;and now seriously: where is Vladimir? We need him to make a "hitler discover his coins are stuck on Gox". 520253;1392927538;jayk;mtgox is really kicking themselves, now they relocated offices 520254;1392927570;kakobrekla;physical security mebbe 520255;1392927584;kakobrekla;protesters almost double daily dont ya know 520256;1392927599;jayk;with it being so low, once the exchanges resume, i wonder if people will cash out or just let it ride till it climbs back up 520257;1392927639;jayk;with mtgox, do they hold your coins? 520258;1392927640;kakobrekla;www.ustream.tv/channel/mtgox-protest 520259;1392927643;kakobrekla;lmao 520260;1392927708;kakobrekla;www.mtgoxprotest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/P1030097.jpg 520261;1392927729;kakobrekla;i dunno whats with the middle guys face, the jacket cleary says "THE NORTH FACE" 520262;1392927765;kakobrekla;defeats the mask wearing purpose 520263;1392927766;jayk;lol 520264;1392927848;Mallstromm;:D 520265;1392927849;Mallstromm;lol they seem 3 homeless 520266;1392927857;kakobrekla;they prolly are by now 520267;1392927867;kakobrekla;i dunno i just find the lappys funny on a protest 520268;1392927887;kakobrekla;"where is our money?" " oh well, imma gonna play some games now." 520269;1392927902;mike_c;they aren't playing games, they are day trading on gox 520270;1392927912;kakobrekla;is there a difference? 520271;1392927930;lnovy;graphics sucks at mtgox 520272;1392927948;kakobrekla;gotta preserve dat batter power 520273;1392927952;lnovy;but gameplay is awesome :) 520274;1392927952;kakobrekla;battery 520275;1392928025;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0627 = 0.1254 BTC [+] 520276;1392928405;ThickAsThieves;ha lawsky replied to my ergonomic advice 520277;1392928431;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1ygcil/as_requested_im_ben_lawsky_superintendent_of_the/cfkbz3z?context=3 520278;1392928461;mircea_popescu;did he tip you ? 520279;1392928504;ThickAsThieves;nope, but reddit says i can add it to my resume 520280;1392928587;Bugpowder;that part was funny 520281;1392928598;Apocalyptic;^ 520282;1392928699;kakobrekla;so, anything good inthere? 520283;1392928706;ThickAsThieves;nope 520284;1392929001;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 21 @ 0.01910042 = 0.4011 BTC [-] 520285;1392929065;benkay;!t h rent 520286;1392929066;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (516 shares, 2.83800000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (5193 shares, 28.56150000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (34696 shares, 190.82800000 BTC) 520287;1392929116;benkay;rentalstarter seems to be in sales rate decay mode 520288;1392929428;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.102 BTC [+] 520289;1392929429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] 2500 @ 0.00076 = 1.9 BTC [-] 520290;1392929489;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00086683 = 10.9221 BTC [-] 520291;1392929632;TwinWinNerD;What do you guys think is a fair pricing for GoxCoins right now? 520292;1392929689;kakobrekla;davout was rite. 520293;1392929716;davout;wat 520294;1392929855;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00087009 = 1.7402 BTC [+] 520295;1392929868;ThickAsThieves;0.0 is fair price 520296;1392929877;Namworld;The only thing I regret is moving funds out of MtGox before the issues. 520297;1392929902;ThickAsThieves;thatll go away 520298;1392929928;Namworld;People are buying gox BTC for 40%-60% in BTC. 520299;1392929938;Namworld;;;premium bitstamp mtgox 520300;1392929948;Apocalyptic;Namworld, much lower now 520301;1392929951;davout;kakobrekla: log isn't very informative 520302;1392929958;Bugpowder;Apocalyptic: NOPE 520303;1392929967;Namworld;I still see people offering 40% at a minimum. 520304;1392929974;Bugpowder;0.5 BTC is the current bid 520305;1392929975;Bugpowder;https://www.bitcoinbuilder.com 520306;1392929981;Apocalyptic;I saw a trade at 35% 520307;1392929987;Namworld;While we can buy BTC for 20% of price at other exchanges. 520308;1392929990;Bugpowder;it bounced 520309;1392929994;kakobrekla;davout i was agreeing on you re internet sucks after i saw TwinWinNerDs line. 520310;1392929997;ThickAsThieves;that book barely moves 520311;1392930008;Bugpowder;that dude that wired $50k in is gonna do well. 520312;1392930041;davout;kakobrekla: oic 520313;1392930045;Bugpowder;450 coins for $50k sheet. 520314;1392930051;davout;BingoBoingo: chess? 520315;1392930054;Bugpowder;wish I had account. 520316;1392930057;Apocalyptic;Bugpowder, do you believe gox is solvent ? 520317;1392930061;Bugpowder;sure 520318;1392930080;Bugpowder;how they fuck could they get the cold wallets drained. It's not plausible 520319;1392930094;ThickAsThieves;so what's the prediction for the next gox announcement? 520320;1392930095;Namworld;Even if they aren't. You can sell those 450 goxBTC for 180 BTC or 100k+ 520321;1392930095;kakobrekla;buy all the coins then 520322;1392930100;Bugpowder;them being incompetent at rolling out a code fix and terrible at communication is. 520323;1392930114;Bugpowder;I have no account tho 520324;1392930127;davout;Bugpowder: you get the cold wallets drained by having your accounting fucked with. plain and simple 520325;1392930191;Bugpowder;Doesn't pass the common sense test 520326;1392930192;Namworld;Either way, right now having fiat on gox allows to buy 2x the BTC you'd get at other exchanges. 520327;1392930196;benkay;^^ 520328;1392930218;kakobrekla;its more like 5x 520329;1392930219;Namworld;By reselling your gox BTC 520330;1392930226;davout;Bugpowder: what do you mean the common sense test? 520331;1392930228;benkay;"BTC" 520332;1392930236;Namworld;I mean if you sell it for actual, guaranteed BTC 520333;1392930238;Namworld;x2 520334;1392930241;Namworld;otherwise, x5 520335;1392930249;kakobrekla;davout i think he is trying to imply tux has one 520336;1392930293;ThickAsThieves;next theyll probly say authorities are investigating the malleability exploiters, so many funds and accounts are frozen until resolution 520337;1392930307;ThickAsThieves;dont worry your coins are safe 520338;1392930337;ThickAsThieves;freenode has a cold 520339;1392930342;Bugpowder;The test where you are like... Hey my accounting says I need to pay out 100,000BTC from the wallet and oh hey we have been manually resending 100,000BTC in transactions... And oh hey people have been telling us for months that our specific implementation is vulnerable to a malleability attack... I wonder if something is funky 520340;1392930393;Bugpowder;There were that many malled txns prior to 2/10 to begin with. Certainly not enough to drain the cold storage 520341;1392930393;ThickAsThieves;well if you are implying they noticed long ago, why did they not fix it? 520342;1392930393;Bugpowder;were NOT 520343;1392930403;ThickAsThieves;why did it escalate before being acknowledged 520344;1392930405;Bugpowder;I'm not implying 520345;1392930410;kakobrekla;its no point discussing, take your positions if you can, and wait it out 520346;1392930425;Bugpowder;It is a known fact that many devs told them their method was vulnerable 520347;1392930440;mircea_popescu; how they fuck could they get the cold wallets drained. It's not plausible << what exactly is not plausible about it ? 520348;1392930448;Bugpowder;At least according to aantop's latest podcast 520349;1392930454;ThickAsThieves; There were that many malled txns prior to 2/10 to begin with. Certainly not enough to drain the cold storage ... source? 520350;1392930466;ThickAsThieves;i recall linking charts for at least a week or two before 520351;1392930476;ThickAsThieves;showing escalating frozen wd's 520352;1392930482;Apocalyptic;so do I 520353;1392930484;Bugpowder;yeah, that's all I saw too 520354;1392930495;Apocalyptic;Bugpowder, common sense would indicate you exactly otherwise 520355;1392930502;Bugpowder;I just don't think its plausible for them to be that stupid 520356;1392930515;Bugpowder;but I guess the market thinks differently 520357;1392930516;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder wait, you are actually buying the "malleable tx" bs ?!~ 520358;1392930535;Bugpowder;I think they lost 10k BTC tops 520359;1392930536;ThickAsThieves; At least according to aantop's latest podcast /// what makes him reputable? 520360;1392930538;mircea_popescu;dude. 520361;1392930540;Bugpowder;for MtGox yes 520362;1392930540;mircea_popescu;THEY STOLE IT. 520363;1392930545;mircea_popescu;they did not lose anything. 520364;1392930551;Bugpowder;SR2 stole it 520365;1392930556;mircea_popescu;sigh. 520366;1392930568;Apocalyptic;Bugpowder seems like another sturles, mtgox diehard fan 520367;1392930569;mircea_popescu;looky : tux made the "malleable tx" 520368;1392930573;mircea_popescu;it's not any third party. 520369;1392930575;ThickAsThieves;Bugpowder why is an arbitrary amount like 10k reasonable, but not much more? 520370;1392930579;Apocalyptic;but I may be wrong 520371;1392930581;ThickAsThieves;pulling number out ass? 520372;1392930587;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48001001 BTC [-] 520373;1392930588;mircea_popescu;it's just the perfect smoke cover, because people suffer from some sort of very particular brain issue. 520374;1392930602;Bugpowder;If the hypothesis is that mtgox actively embezzled funds... Well that is a possibility. 520375;1392930609;mircea_popescu;sigh 520376;1392930610;jborkl;watcging the youtube video of the guy camping and confronting Karpeles, they stole it 520377;1392930617;jborkl;watching 520378;1392930637;Bugpowder;But that doesn't make sense. Police care about this shit now 520379;1392930643;mircea_popescu;o right. 520380;1392930643;ThickAsThieves;i assume gox committed every crime possible in regards to exploiting their system 520381;1392930645;Bugpowder;He will go to jail 520382;1392930648;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 104 @ 0.00460227 = 0.4786 BTC [-] {2} 520383;1392930650;mircea_popescu;this is a perfect argument. 520384;1392930664;mircea_popescu;a guy who has been runing fractional reserve since ~2011, and who has lied on paperwork submitted 520385;1392930669;mircea_popescu;was NOT going to jail before 520386;1392930682;jborkl;and I read the report about the txn problems, someone did a blockchain analysis of the Push_whatever attack- the attack started 2 days after Gox got hit 520387;1392930683;mircea_popescu;and stealing the wallets is totally unreasonable, because he's going to jail. 520388;1392930690;mircea_popescu;you need a thinking hat. 520389;1392930692;Bugpowder;He is going to much more jail if he straight plundered it all. 520390;1392930696;mircea_popescu;derp. 520391;1392930712;mircea_popescu;he was going to jail anyway. 520392;1392930713;ThickAsThieves;to hell with him! 520393;1392930719;mircea_popescu;he didn't have the bitcoinica funds to pay back. 520394;1392930745;jborkl;That is the proof in the report, it showed there were no malformed txn even reported on the day Gox said 520395;1392930754;jborkl;let me find it 520396;1392930761;Bugpowder;show us the data please! 520397;1392930770;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48001 BTC [-] 520398;1392930771;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00460227 = 0.4602 BTC [-] {2} 520399;1392930776;Namworld;MtGox reeks of manipulation, purposeful fails and etc. 520400;1392930800;Namworld;No problem stealing your own business under the eyes of authorities. Right in front of them. 520401;1392930817;the20year2;New rentalstarter update - We have preliminary acceptance by seller on the 3 unit property. 3 units at $67k 520402;1392930820;Namworld;Done properly, no evidence. It's quite possible. 520403;1392930837;mike_c;MPOE market maker uptime since Jan 3: http://i.imgur.com/lwu9eMs.png 520404;1392930839;ThickAsThieves;i bet it could be forensicly proven gox is manipulating 520405;1392930839;Namworld;At a minimum, they manipulate price for a profit. 520406;1392930881;mircea_popescu;mike_c why the pikes ? 520407;1392930897;mike_c;little blips of up/down time i guess. 520408;1392930900;Namworld;How? Mark can just claim he had to do all these haltings because of issues. 520409;1392930900;ThickAsThieves;mike_c, plot it against price 520410;1392930909;mike_c;price of what? 520411;1392930918;ThickAsThieves;the index it uses 520412;1392930923;benkay;actually plot it against implied vol 520413;1392930930;mircea_popescu;mike_c so either 0 or 1 ? 520414;1392930933;Namworld;How would one prove that's not the case? 520415;1392930941;mike_c;yah, 0 is down, 1 is up 520416;1392930946;benkay;IMPLIED VOL 520417;1392930954;jborkl;Those are not BTC being traded anyway, they are Gox coins until they prove they have the reserve to back it 520418;1392930977;mircea_popescu;no way tho, you mean it was down pretty much solid 8 to 10 jan ? 520419;1392930990;ThickAsThieves;namworld, by analyzing and auditing book behavior 520420;1392930993;mike_c;yeah, seem nuts? i can check data. 520421;1392930998;mircea_popescu;it does seem nuts. 520422;1392931042;mircea_popescu;also definitely was quoting on the 1st of feb 520423;1392931071;mike_c;kk, disregard, i did some spot checking on downtimes but maybe not enough. i'll verify. 520424;1392931092;Namworld;TaT, how would that help? I didn't say manipulate through fake orders. Just through haltings, bad news, etc. 520425;1392931096;mircea_popescu;mike_c is this based on like 1 sampling/day ? 520426;1392931106;mike_c;polling every 2 minutes 520427;1392931117;mircea_popescu;so then why 1/0 ? 520428;1392931131;mike_c;the graph has a 2 minute resolution 520429;1392931133;mircea_popescu;from that graph it either was down an entire day or up an entire day or some shit 520430;1392931151;mike_c;no, not all the pikes are on tick marks 520431;1392931166;mircea_popescu;mike_c it can't possibly have 2 min resolution seeing how you have what, 20 pixels in each day 520432;1392931171;mircea_popescu;and a day is longer than 40 minutes 520433;1392931192;ThickAsThieves;namworld you lost me, i'll i'm saying is i bet if the right people spend the right amount of time looking at orders placed and filled, you'd see gox tzking everyone for a ride 520434;1392931198;davout;mircea_popescu: not for french civil servants 520435;1392931207;mircea_popescu;lol 520436;1392931210;Namworld;Perhaps 520437;1392931232;mike_c;the data has a 2 minute resolution. the graph is obv. somewhat less, but it is taken from that data. 520438;1392931245;mircea_popescu;so then shouldn't i be seeing averaging ? 520439;1392931253;mircea_popescu;and consequently, values other than 1 and 0 ? 520440;1392931263;mike_c;no, it's not bucketed. 520441;1392931281;mike_c;if you zoomed in on the graph (not the png), you would get to 2 minute resolution 520442;1392931287;mircea_popescu;look, bucketed or not, this can't be that. 520443;1392931296;mircea_popescu;hm 520444;1392931299;mike_c;ok, first off, let me make sure the down/up is accurate in january. 520445;1392931305;mike_c;brb 520446;1392931315;mircea_popescu;i'm off for now, but we continue this tomorro. 520447;1392931320;mike_c;ok 520448;1392931369;jborkl;One puzzle is that Mt.Gox announced their difficulties on Feb 7, and then explained Feb 10 that they were stopping withdrawals due to a malleability attack. Since the OP_PUSHDATA2 attack didn't start until Feb 9, this attack can't be responsible for the Feb 7 problems. One possibility is there was a different type of malleability attack that affected Mt.Gox. It would be interesting to get the hash 520449;1392931369;jborkl;for one of the affected transactions from before Feb 7, to see what was going on. 520450;1392931380;jborkl;now let me find the data that was posted 520451;1392931746;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 24 @ 0.05656291 = 1.3575 BTC [-] {6} 520452;1392931747;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12896 @ 0.00087011 = 11.2209 BTC [+] {2} 520453;1392931820;Bugpowder;At first glance, this does not seem encouraging. 520454;1392931820;Bugpowder;https://blockchain.info/address/1LNWw6yCxkUmkhArb2Nf2MPw6vG7u5WG7q 520455;1392931859;ozbot;Bitcoin Address 1LNWw6yCxkUmkhArb2Nf2MPw6vG7u5WG7q 520456;1392931919;davout;jborkl: it's not impossible that the massive "let's fuck with every single tx floating around" isn't the same attack mtgox is referring to 520457;1392931955;ThickAsThieves;http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=CABsx9T3%2BTOQ6c7%3DqEhOoc%2BtYSp%3Djba-o8MA3Z8N9t05BDdYS5w%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=bitcoin-development 520458;1392931956;ozbot;SourceForge.net: Bitcoin: bitcoin-development 520459;1392932146;Namworld;What's not good with that, Bugpowder? 520460;1392932196;Bugpowder;The balance is zero 520461;1392932206;Bugpowder;where are the other mtgox addresses? 520462;1392932217;Bugpowder;That was the address they sent 500,000BTC to back in 2011. 520463;1392932242;Bugpowder;https://blockchain.info/address/1DbD7zFjYSQRiATc8dHxWUWSM9YmQYR9JW 520464;1392932242;ozbot;Bitcoin Address 1DbD7zFjYSQRiATc8dHxWUWSM9YmQYR9JW 520465;1392932319;jborkl;davout, the person scanned for all transactions that uses op_pushdata, from what I understand that should be very limited to a certain problem being fixed- normally about 40 a day- it was 19 I think on Feb 7th and did not rise until the 10th 520466;1392932347;Namworld;Is that the MtGox green address? 520467;1392932384;jborkl;so, it would seem there would have to be two different ways used or Mtgox was super duper special and got hit with a unique attack that was used on no one else 520468;1392932388;davout;Namworld: green addresses wow 520469;1392932420;bones`;RIP 520470;1392932424;Bugpowder;I am downloading the transaction history of that address 520471;1392932450;Bugpowder;looking for a single big transfer to a putative cold wallet 520472;1392932488;kakobrekla;>1.) Unfortunately, we don't have a financial report yet. Putting one together is going to be a very time consuming process, and we don't have the time quite yet. Soon though. 520473;1392932491;kakobrekla;guess who 520474;1392932711;kakobrekla;well whatever you are no fun 520475;1392932715;kakobrekla;it goes on 520476;1392932718;kakobrekla;>2.) The "missing div" period was a result of very bad luck. Right now we don't have any way to prove this, but its what happened. 520477;1392932725;mike_c;cbtc? 520478;1392932734;ThickAsThieves;ciphermine? 520479;1392932734;jborkl;http://www.righto.com/2014/02/the-bitcoin-malleability-attack-hour-by.html 520480;1392932734;ozbot;Ken Shirriff's blog: The Bitcoin malleability attack graphed hour by hour 520481;1392932735;kakobrekla;nope! 520482;1392932738;kakobrekla;and NOPE 520483;1392932740;jborkl;http://www.righto.com/2014/02/the-bitcoin-malleability-attack-hour-by.html 520484;1392932741;ozbot;Ken Shirriff's blog: The Bitcoin malleability attack graphed hour by hour 520485;1392932741;Bugpowder;found the output 520486;1392932741;Bugpowder;13faR1RRm9ZkTiQkAnCcbRoajtvNscojEM 520487;1392932744;kakobrekla;now im dissapoint 520488;1392932759;mike_c;bitbet? 520489;1392932766;kakobrekla;now you are trolling 520490;1392932799;kakobrekla;anyway, its coming from the mouth of new cog pr named samuel 520491;1392932810;kakobrekla;prolly lab con guy or what 520492;1392932904;Bugpowder;oh i followed the chain... comes back to 1LNW... 520493;1392932974;ThickAsThieves;yeah 520494;1392932977;ThickAsThieves;more clicking 520495;1392933576;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 1.80943206 BTC to 321`963 shares, 562 satoshi per share 520496;1392933698;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1023 BTC [+] 520497;1392934187;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 665 @ 0.00018897 = 0.1257 BTC [-] 520498;1392934430;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.000855 = 0.171 BTC [+] 520499;1392935040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16429 @ 0.00087112 = 14.3116 BTC [+] {3} 520500;1392935284;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00292 = 0.146 BTC [-] 520501;1392935345;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00460227 = 0.2761 BTC [+] {2} 520502;1392935346;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00226762 = 1.0204 BTC [+] 520503;1392935467;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 87 @ 0.00299919 = 0.2609 BTC [+] {2} 520504;1392935793;kakobrekla;i dont even notice since i disabled joins and quits 520505;1392935821;kakobrekla;but its much better experience ircing this way 520506;1392935833;kakobrekla;less noise. 520507;1392935843;mike_c;just don't tell anyone what we talked about while OTR there. 520508;1392935860;kakobrekla;:) 520509;1392935935;mike_c;;;later tell mircea_popescu you were right, graph was clumping data points. here it is fixed: http://i.imgur.com/LgHsdOq.png 520510;1392935962;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-] 520511;1392935963;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 35 @ 0.47149599 = 16.5024 BTC [-] {8} 520512;1392935968;jurov;in all respect, it's not fixed 520513;1392935970;gribble;The operation succeeded. 520514;1392935986;mike_c;why not? looks fixed to me 520515;1392936013;jurov;the times where it went up and down often don't give any useful info 520516;1392936023;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 70 @ 0.08058349 = 5.6408 BTC [+] {26} 520517;1392936029;mike_c;hm. is it not useful that it went up and down often? 520518;1392936039;jurov;better would be really to show average uptime in the period 520519;1392936048;jurov;you know how mpoe bot works? 520520;1392936069;jurov;it places orders with some random expiration time 520521;1392936084;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00460228 = 0.1335 BTC [+] 520522;1392936088;jurov;and then sleps for random time too, perhaps 520523;1392936114;jurov;so it's usual there are none or two same auotes at once even if all is okay 520524;1392936117;jurov;*quotes 520525;1392936173;kakobrekla;and you can exercise both quotes? 520526;1392936185;jurov;why not? 520527;1392936188;mike_c;ah, i did not know that. well, it is accurate now at least. could be improved for usefulness. my interest was mostly looking for extended downtime stretches. 520528;1392936196;kakobrekla;double exposure? 520529;1392936203;jurov;but it doesn't take long usually 520530;1392936286;jurov;mp is keen to be unpredictable. back in 2012 mpex even paid btc interest at random time every day 520531;1392936300;jurov;there was no information in STAT how much 520532;1392936322;jurov;fortunately, before i can i pull my hair about it, it was canceled 520533;1392936328;jurov;*i could 520534;1392936366;kakobrekla;wasnt it ticking all the time? 520535;1392936381;kakobrekla;iirc twas pulled cause server load or something 520536;1392936389;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2020 @ 0.00018901 = 0.3818 BTC [+] {4} 520537;1392936399;jurov;don't remember 520538;1392936511;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4671 @ 0.00021168 = 0.9888 BTC [+] {7} 520539;1392936577;kakobrekla;my brain tends to remember useless things such as that 520540;1392936705;jurov;yeah, cuz there are millions of mpex accounts 520541;1392936755;jurov;no i recall something about mp saying he can't do anything useful and safe with the bitcoins anyway 520542;1392937060;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.10480001 = 0.2096 BTC [+] 520543;1392937061;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07245931 = 0.1449 BTC [+] 520544;1392937074;kakobrekla;http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=72 520545;1392937075;kakobrekla;lol 520546;1392937075;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets bash 520547;1392937080;kakobrekla;when did this cherry happen 520548;1392937093;*;kakobrekla digs logs 520549;1392937559;asciilifeform;http://www.righto.com/2014/02/ascii-bernanke-wikileaks-photographs.html 520550;1392937560;ozbot;Ken Shirriff's blog: Hidden surprises in the Bitcoin blockchain and how they are stored: Nelson Mand 520551;1392937675;asciilifeform;http://www.righto.com/2013/11/how-hacker-news-ranking-really-works.html 520552;1392937676;ozbot;Ken Shirriff's blog: How Hacker News ranking really works: scoring, controversy, and penalties 520553;1392937685;asciilifeform;'...Anything with "NSA" in the title is penalized and drops off quickly.' 520554;1392937717;asciilifeform;'... Severing ties with the NSA started off with a NSA penalty but was so hugely popular it still got the #1 spot. However, it was quickly given an even bigger penalty, forcing it down the page.' 520555;1392937731;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.10480001 BTC [+] 520556;1392937914;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 43 @ 0.0055 = 0.2365 BTC 520557;1392938042;nubbins`;so, havelock 520558;1392938186;nubbins`;setting aside this whole "we're locking your account if you don't have 2FA enabled" 520559;1392938276;nubbins`;i wonder are they going to keep the same setup for s.mg (run through a coinbr account) or if they have/will have a direct mpex account 520560;1392938307;nubbins`;also, pretty hard to claim that 10btc bounty when the site won't load ;( 520561;1392938331;Bugpowder;#mtgox channel is muted. 520562;1392938342;kakobrekla;:D 520563;1392938366;nubbins`;fools, they should just blanket +q on join 520564;1392938561;ThickAsThieves; i wonder are they going to keep the same setup for s.mg (run through a coinbr account) or if they have/will have a direct mpex account /// it already is 520565;1392938571;nubbins`;it already is what? 520566;1392938574;ThickAsThieves;it was only a coinbr thing for the first week 520567;1392938583;ThickAsThieves;then i got mpex 520568;1392938592;nubbins`;oh, the overview page still says it's going through coinbr 520569;1392938603;ThickAsThieves;the shares will be transferred to their mpex 520570;1392938607;*;nubbins` nods 520571;1392938651;nubbins`;gotta say, those guys seem more like rank amateurs every day 520572;1392938709;ThickAsThieves;i suppose they would quite literally be amateurs, and we all know that already 520573;1392938726;ThickAsThieves;not like they have experienc erunning exchanges 520574;1392938731;ThickAsThieves;or claimed to 520575;1392938785;nubbins`;or secure websites 520576;1392938792;nubbins`;for any definition of secure 520577;1392938821;ThickAsThieves;i do think auto-locking accounts is an odd move 520578;1392938829;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 145 @ 0.000855 = 0.124 BTC [+] 520579;1392938835;ThickAsThieves;maybe okay if you feel like youve been compromised or something 520580;1392938867;nubbins`;just one more odd move in a long string of them 520581;1392938870;ThickAsThieves;seems more likely this was because the software change made the situation easier this way 520582;1392938909;ThickAsThieves;cavirtex is definitely making some insulting moves 520583;1392938921;nubbins`;they were patching up basic-level security holes are recently as last summer 520584;1392938931;nubbins`;cavirtex is shady as fuck too, tbh 520585;1392938951;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.10480001 = 0.2096 BTC [+] 520586;1392938959;nubbins`;shame, since there's no trustworthy CAD exchanges 520587;1392938978;pankkake;the unlocking does not require anything, just ask for it to be unlocked 520588;1392938985;pankkake;so this is basically a "are you alive" probe 520589;1392939003;pankkake;I signed the request with my gpg key for good measure, but… 520590;1392939012;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 104 @ 0.0055 = 0.572 BTC {2} 520591;1392939024;nubbins`;but they don't give a fuck if you do or not 520592;1392939084;nubbins`;tbh, how do they even know if that's your gpg key or not 520593;1392939089;nubbins`;s/tbh/tbf 520594;1392939121;pankkake;you can't, unless you see that key used elsewhere or signed by others 520595;1392939128;nubbins`;nod 520596;1392939142;nubbins`;you might as well have included a photograph of yourself as a young man 520597;1392939157;pankkake;you can actually put images as GPG identities :) 520598;1392939166;nubbins`;problem solved! :D 520599;1392939195;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06215005 = 0.2486 BTC [-] {3} 520600;1392940332;r3wt;;;bcauth r3wt 520601;1392940332;gribble;Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.216.44.61. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:624dc741886c82e2a81b4d16bcc0b6ba784d79ab89954e305f5449c3 520602;1392940344;r3wt;Vexual: are you here 520603;1392940415;nubbins`;depends on your definition of here 520604;1392940476;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.10480001 BTC [+] 520605;1392940537;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24295 @ 0.00087189 = 21.1826 BTC [+] 520606;1392940579;r3wt;if you see him, let him know i imported that key finally 520607;1392940598;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.10480001 = 0.2096 BTC [+] 520608;1392940605;nubbins`;why not do a ;;later tell vexual :) 520609;1392940649;r3wt;i'm still a nub and not familiar with all the commands 520610;1392940660;nubbins`;just type ;;later tell vexual 520611;1392940689;r3wt;;;later tell Vexual i imported that private key. lets arrange a time to chat 520612;1392940689;gribble;The operation succeeded. 520613;1392940720;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 520614;1392940782;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.02098174 = 0.2308 BTC [+] {3} 520615;1392941513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00087234 = 9.9011 BTC [+] {2} 520616;1392942367;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00087254 = 9.2489 BTC [+] 520617;1392943099;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.00460294 = 0.5524 BTC [-] {10} 520618;1392943160;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00460001 = 0.1794 BTC [-] {2} 520619;1392943308;Bugpowder;They question is not "to buy or not to buy?", rather, "when to buy?" 520620;1392943404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00086962 = 13.2182 BTC [-] {3} 520621;1392943418;Namworld;Never? 520622;1392943418;kakobrekla;no data yet 520623;1392943457;Namworld;Why buy when you can earn? 520624;1392944281;Namworld;MtGox about to go 2 digits 520625;1392944319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00087254 = 9.3362 BTC [+] 520626;1392944400;Duffer1_;why isn't the opposite true? 520627;1392944431;kakobrekla;2 digits going to mtgox? 520628;1392944435;kakobrekla;that cant possibly be 520629;1392944435;nubbins`;heh 520630;1392944436;Duffer1_;i mean, why do people believe getting fiat out of Gox will be easier than getting BTC out of gox (thus causing the price of BTC to increase) 520631;1392944463;kakobrekla;no amount of digits is going to gox! 520632;1392944464;nubbins`;who knows? 520633;1392944476;nubbins`;why did people believe gox could be trusted with funds in the first place 520634;1392944505;kakobrekla;why did people believe could be trusted with funds in the first place 520635;1392944569;Duffer1_;sure but with money trapped their already it's now a question of what people believe they'll have an easier time withdrawing from gox 520636;1392944574;Duffer1_;there* 520637;1392945076;kakobrekla;kraken: Hi Everyone - we are working on a major re-design for the site (no, I don't know when it will come out). 520638;1392945082;kakobrekla;didnt they lauch like last week? 520639;1392945086;kakobrekla;launch 520640;1392945136;kakobrekla;also they added fucking dogecoin 520641;1392945145;kakobrekla;un fucking believable 520642;1392945188;wao-ender;nice 520643;1392945204;kakobrekla;yes, if by nice you mean retarded, we agree. 520644;1392945322;Namworld;nice as in, let the mythical creatures (kraken, doge, etc) stick together. 520645;1392945455;kakobrekla;http://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/436663439214120960 520646;1392945458;kakobrekla;lel 520647;1392945587;nubbins`;it saddens me when "exchanges" add things like doge 520648;1392945592;nubbins`;even ltc 520649;1392945683;kakobrekla;but kraken is hip! 520650;1392945688;kakobrekla;look at the css 520651;1392945691;kakobrekla;its amazing 520652;1392945691;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 520653;1392945835;nullp;;baratio bitstamp 520654;1392945860;kakobrekla;the what? 520655;1392945953;ThickAsThieves;here comes 99! 520656;1392945983;kakobrekla;too bad it wont go to 0 520657;1392945986;Namworld;MtGox 2 digits 520658;1392945999;kakobrekla;;;premium bitstamp mtgox 520659;1392946000;ThickAsThieves;to the core! 520660;1392946001;gribble;Premium of Bitstamp over MtGox is currently 456.444069231 %. 520661;1392946002;Namworld;Cusipzzz 50 retest prediction right. 520662;1392946005;Namworld;On gox only 520663;1392946018;Namworld;We're going for it ._. 520664;1392946048;kakobrekla;dunno where these coins are comming from 520665;1392946057;kakobrekla;book seems kinda empty 520666;1392946070;kakobrekla;could be fractional coins 520667;1392946073;Namworld;book has been empty since like 900 USD per BTC 520668;1392946083;kakobrekla;on top of everything 520669;1392946095;kakobrekla;but what does this achieve 520670;1392946105;kakobrekla;more usd in goxes hands 520671;1392946113;Namworld;Should have put a 100 BTC short with x100 leverage as soon as bad news hit... if only there was a place to do that. 520672;1392946141;MisterE;Lots of people got cold Coxed heh 520673;1392946145;MisterE;I'm all in fiat 520674;1392946145;Namworld;I could bounce the price back to 900 by closing the short. 520675;1392946159;kakobrekla;MisterE you are on gox? 520676;1392946164;MisterE;fuck no 520677;1392946178;MisterE;their shitty premium and verification process 520678;1392946187;MisterE;I'm glad they failed like a cancer fallen off 520679;1392946223;MisterE;plus Japanese lie about everything for a long time before you get the real story 520680;1392946241;kakobrekla;he is french 520681;1392946254;pankkake;worse 520682;1392946257;nubbins`;HEH 520683;1392946259;MisterE;^ 520684;1392946275;pankkake;he's fat and french, even more suspicious 520685;1392946331;MisterE;Trollbox is poppin today 520686;1392946485;MisterE;Trollbox: "Overstock cancelling bitcoin orders now" 520687;1392946557;MisterE;gonna go so low and I;m a buy them all 520688;1392946638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06200008 = 0.248 BTC [-] {2} 520689;1392946639;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1011 = 0.4044 BTC [-] {2} 520690;1392946640;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-] {2} 520691;1392946862;Namworld;This is great. We're not at like x10 the price of 1.5 year ago. 520692;1392946874;Namworld;BTC is growing fast man, so fast. Can't believe. 520693;1392947003;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 23 @ 0.10091304 = 2.321 BTC [-] {3} 520694;1392947598;Duffer1_;a moment for Gox https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ4xA5Cggp4 520695;1392947602;Duffer1_;RIP my friend 520696;1392948467;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0710006 = 1.42 BTC [-] {3} 520697;1392948772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00086873 = 7.862 BTC [-] {2} 520698;1392948894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00086821 = 3.2992 BTC [-] 520699;1392948972;Vexual;the lack of breakfast egg down the fron't of his magical tshirt is cause for suspicion 520700;1392948995;cazalla;RIP in peace 520701;1392949035;Vexual;@150 they may have executed self insurance 520702;1392949067;Vexual;covered any losses and such 520703;1392949443;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8912 @ 0.00087387 = 7.7879 BTC [+] {3} 520704;1392949963;mike_c;gox back over 100! to the moon! 520705;1392950098;Vexual;if they get back, some will make some coin and be happy, like that fat french chep emerging from his kitchen 3 hours later with your roast duck 520706;1392950236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00086821 = 7.9875 BTC [-] 520707;1392950285;Vexual;theyre good at being bad 520708;1392950960;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt6LqblW1Vo 520709;1392951663;Vexual;to the atc trader, it seems r3wt saved my pittance from satoshis locker, so I will be trading again on both exchanges 520710;1392951700;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00087412 = 0.6993 BTC [+] 520711;1392951874;asciilifeform;http://www.securelist.com/en/analysis/204792325/Absolute_Computrace_Revisited 520712;1392951992;Apocalyptic;Vexual, have fun on Openex's spread 520713;1392952005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00087518 = 9.4957 BTC [+] {3} 520714;1392952055;Vexual;ug 520715;1392952073;Vexual;we can find a price 520716;1392952167;Vexual;asciilifeorm, why aren't bioses bigger? 520717;1392952184;Vexual;storage is cheap now 520718;1392952185;asciilifeform;Vexual: they're mighty big, if you ask me 520719;1392952205;asciilifeform;you can fit just about anything in 4-8M 520720;1392952273;Vexual;titties on the boot screen, thats as advanced as i get 520721;1392952529;Vexual;is there such thing as a write once bios? 520722;1392952540;asciilifeform;Vexual: those used to be standard. 520723;1392952564;Vexual;circa? 520724;1392952572;asciilifeform;e.g. the mask ROMs found in most 1980s hardware 520725;1392952588;Vexual;ah 520726;1392952645;asciilifeform;in late '80s, EPROM (erasable), programmed by removing and baking under uv light to erase, and writing in a gadget built for the purpose 520727;1392952652;asciilifeform;then, EEPROM (electrically erasable) 520728;1392952655;asciilifeform;no uv needed 520729;1392952679;Vexual;you can make it in your kitchen? 520730;1392952687;asciilifeform;and finally, modern 'flash', which is really an eeprom that operates on ordinary logic voltage 520731;1392952698;asciilifeform;(rather than the 12v or so 'erase' rail that was once needed) 520732;1392952720;asciilifeform;kitchen? 520733;1392952723;Vexual;lab? 520734;1392952732;asciilifeform;if you need to read/write old roms, consult arcade machine enthusiasts 520735;1392952742;Vexual;they still us eit? 520736;1392952761;asciilifeform;example: 520737;1392952762;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1066 520738;1392952775;asciilifeform;little bugger on the bottom-right of 1st shot is eprom 520739;1392952788;asciilifeform;(top left of 2nd shot, with electrical tape over window) 520740;1392952797;asciilifeform;http://loper-os.nfshost.com/wp-content/mwredux/rom.jpg 520741;1392952809;asciilifeform;bottom two photos: ad-hoc reader 520742;1392952824;asciilifeform;(add 3 wires and 12v rail, it would write) 520743;1392952874;Vexual;mmmm so lpt 520744;1392952898;asciilifeform;quick&dirty, works. 520745;1392952905;Vexual;sexy 520746;1392952917;asciilifeform;modern pc rarely comes with lpt, i've a pcie card with one just for such occasions. 520747;1392952965;Vexual;i like how you can ruin shit pugging them in 520748;1392952975;asciilifeform;? 520749;1392953055;Vexual;plugging in a printer in the old days with things turned on occasionally fried motherboards 520750;1392953064;asciilifeform;ground loop. 520751;1392953161;Vexual;i/o wasnt meant to be easy 520752;1392953164;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6289 @ 0.00087613 = 5.51 BTC [+] 520753;1392953194;asciilifeform;paradoxically, i/o was much easier (from designer's point of view) in those days. 520754;1392953198;asciilifeform;usb is a first-class bitch. 520755;1392953220;Vexual;bill gates evilest contibutiuon 520756;1392953237;asciilifeform;blame apple for usb 520757;1392953247;Vexual;? 520758;1392953253;asciilifeform;they introduced it 520759;1392953261;asciilifeform;it's a refinement of their earlier 'adb' 520760;1392953281;asciilifeform;(the DIN plugs seen on pre-usb apple keyboards and mice) 520761;1392953286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06233334 = 0.187 BTC [+] {3} 520762;1392953287;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1011 = 0.3033 BTC [-] {3} 520763;1392953288;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] {3} 520764;1392953289;Vexual;oh 520765;1392953308;asciilifeform;usb is a highly-stateful protocol with a book-length standard 520766;1392953341;asciilifeform;vs. something like rs-232, which can be described to a child on a napkin. 520767;1392953358;asciilifeform;or lpt, where there is no protocol to speak of, only a bunch of wires with controllable logic high/low. 520768;1392953444;asciilifeform;http://www.ermicro.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/rs232_01.jpg 520769;1392953469;asciilifeform;https://www.zaber.com/w/images/thumb/1/13/Rs232_waveform_instruction_byte.jpg/400px-Rs232_waveform_instruction_byte.jpg 520770;1392953622;decimation;ascii maybe we can boot bios out of a TPM 520771;1392953626;Vexual;can you get a laptop with a 232 anymore? 520772;1392953633;decimation;and then have that TPM inside a TPM 520773;1392953670;asciilifeform;'we put shit in the shit so you can eat shit while you eat shit' (tpm) 520774;1392953700;decimation;yo dawg we heard you like security 520775;1392953706;TomServo_;Vexual: Not easily from my experience. Although there are USB to RS-232 converters to be had. 520776;1392953713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6383 @ 0.00087386 = 5.5778 BTC [-] 520777;1392953726;decimation;ascii your libretto has rs-232 right 520778;1392953728;asciilifeform;the converters work for most purposes 520779;1392953733;asciilifeform;yes it does 520780;1392953734;asciilifeform;and lpt. 520781;1392953745;decimation;I've spent hours trying to get random usb-232 converters working 520782;1392953753;decimation;one would think the drivers would be somewhat standard 520783;1392953753;Vexual;me too 520784;1392953755;asciilifeform;(if you have a widget that wants hardware flow control, you're generally SOL with the converter) 520785;1392953755;decimation;not the case 520786;1392953831;asciilifeform;at any rate, i've worked with gadgets that would not play with any available converter. 520787;1392953839;decimation;I wish someone would explain why my hard drive, mouse, keyboard and printer all must use the same I/O bus 520788;1392953870;decimation;did eliminating the PS/2 ports really save anyone any money? I don't get it 520789;1392953885;Vexual;i dont own a usb kb 520790;1392953926;asciilifeform;Vexual: same. no kbds made after 1990 or so. 520791;1392953935;asciilifeform;(garbage) 520792;1392953940;Vexual;makes it difficult to talk to some things 520793;1392953958;asciilifeform;? 520794;1392953965;decimation;ascii have you tried those 'new' model m's from the guy who bought the factory from IBM in kentucky? 520795;1392953978;asciilifeform;yes. wasn't really satisfied 520796;1392953984;asciilifeform;mechanical quality isn't 100% there. 520797;1392953990;TomServo_;I was just going to say, I feel like such an idiot for getting rid of all those model Ms 520798;1392954007;decimation;surely the springs on a 30 year old keyboard are starting to wear? 520799;1392954013;asciilifeform;decimation: nope. 520800;1392954034;kakobrekla;i also ditched about 5 of them 520801;1392954039;asciilifeform;decimation: admittedly, it was ~20 yrs. old when i got to it, so i haven't any idea of what they were like when new. 520802;1392954044;kakobrekla;maybe theres still some laying around 520803;1392954054;asciilifeform;they're still ~50 usd. on ebay and the like 520804;1392954058;asciilifeform;amazingly cheap for what you get. 520805;1392954058;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 520806;1392954067;kakobrekla;yes it was. 520807;1392954075;asciilifeform;if you're willing to clean the thing yourself, you can go as low as $10. 520808;1392954105;asciilifeform;keys, caps, and plastic shell overnight in enzyme-bearing dishwash liquid 520809;1392954118;asciilifeform;wash, rinse, repeat 520810;1392954129;asciilifeform;alcohol for the electricals 520811;1392954203;decimation;clickykeyboards.com sells them for ~$95 520812;1392954222;asciilifeform;did sell. last i checked they were sold out. 520813;1392954250;decimation;they have some 1391401 models made in 1991 520814;1392954273;decimation;My first computer was an Epson XT 520815;1392954285;decimation;cost like $1500 in the late 80's 520816;1392954285;Vexual;c64 520817;1392954354;decimation;Apparently the keyboards made after 1992 were made by Lexmark 520818;1392954358;kakobrekla;black and yellow 286 520819;1392954361;decimation;that's probably the guy who sells them today 520820;1392954399;kakobrekla;prolly some clone at that point 520821;1392954464;Vexual;i had a nice imb xt 520822;1392954495;Vexual;shouldn't have thrown that out 520823;1392954517;Vexual;even just the kb 520824;1392954546;Duffer1;so here's an odd problem 520825;1392954563;Duffer1;i'm unable to upload an image to any file sharing site 520826;1392954607;Vexual;that had a keyboard connector 520827;1392954624;kakobrekla;hm might as well color my irc to amber-black scheme 520828;1392954644;decimation;apparently in March 1991 IBM divested their hardware manufacturing to a company that became Lexmark 520829;1392954650;Vexual;mines all cga kako 520830;1392954666;decimation;Lexmark cheapened everything 520831;1392954710;kakobrekla;Vexual that is not as haxxing as amber 520832;1392955604;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00087031 = 2.2193 BTC [-] 520833;1392955680;decimation;;;diff 520834;1392955680;gribble;3.1295731745222874E9 520835;1392955711;decimation;.d 520836;1392955726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00086808 = 4.6442 BTC [-] {2} 520837;1392955750;decimation;;;seen ozbot 520838;1392955750;gribble;ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 hours, 1 minute, and 14 seconds ago: Ken Shirriff's blog: How Hacker News ranking really works: scoring, controversy, and penalties 520839;1392955865;Vexual;dies a derp 520840;1392955887;Vexual;whats amber? 520841;1392955936;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfS5tgNC6qw 520842;1392956011;Vexual;ahh 2 colour 520843;1392956026;kakobrekla;http://sales.hansotten.nl/uploads/msx/monitoren/IMG_6798.JPG 520844;1392956052;Vexual;yes i ne'r had that 520845;1392956094;Vexual;if i could experience jealousy or shame, i might 520846;1392956321;Vexual;i only know awe 520847;1392956402;decimation;I wonder if someone makes a decent LCD-based serial terminal 520848;1392956451;Vexual;i mgiht have the bits, u want aluminum or wood? 520849;1392956495;decimation;heh yeah it wouldn't be hard to build 520850;1392956501;decimation;I wouldn't mind if it were battery-powered 520851;1392956521;Vexual;powdercoated steel 520852;1392956529;Bugpowder;mircea_popescu is back! 520853;1392956537;mircea_popescu;heya. 520854;1392956543;Vexual;hey mircea 520855;1392956551;mircea_popescu;what disaster happened ? 520856;1392956557;Bugpowder;I have taken the gospel and spread fear in the hearts of men 520857;1392956571;Bugpowder;#mtgox chat has been muted indefinitely 520858;1392956574;decimation;ozbot is apparently dead 520859;1392956576;Vexual;the dude from gox is fat and im on my third bottle of whisky 520860;1392956577;Bugpowder;channel 520861;1392956580;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4428 @ 0.00087031 = 3.8537 BTC [+] 520862;1392956580;Bugpowder;not chat 520863;1392956591;mircea_popescu;mike_c that looks less dumbfoundingly no fucking way-ish. i ordered some data extracted i'll have something in a little 520864;1392956596;mircea_popescu;once i get to that email or w/e. 520865;1392956605;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder all hail. 520866;1392956621;Bugpowder;I watched the pie video two more times and I just can't imagine Tux being evil. So much passion for pie. 520867;1392956642;Bugpowder;Maybe I am seduced by the french language 520868;1392956652;mircea_popescu;maybe you're seduced by fatties. 520869;1392956653;Vexual;i know kaluah when i see it 520870;1392956666;mircea_popescu;what, srsly, passionate people can't lie ? what's this. 520871;1392956670;decimation;is that guy still camping outside of mtgox's building in tokyo? 520872;1392956682;mike_c;less dumbfoundingly stupid? :D assets is so affirming 520873;1392956695;mircea_popescu;mike_c check yo privilege man. 520874;1392956698;mircea_popescu;at least you're here. 520875;1392956704;mike_c;hehe. just teasing. 520876;1392956733;Vexual;theyre moving to paris so they an toss insolent brits into the river 520877;1392956746;mircea_popescu;decimation whay wouldn't he, you know ? 520878;1392956756;mircea_popescu;i mean, he'd be camping somewhere else if not there, not like he has a house or anything. 520879;1392956776;mircea_popescu;middle class folks looking through the press always imagine that the protesters are you know, like them. house and two cars. 520880;1392956785;Vexual;nor coin with witch to pay for a roof 520881;1392956801;decimation;there are probably many actual bums who would be happy to protest for a few coins 520882;1392956807;mircea_popescu;right ? 520883;1392956817;mircea_popescu;how do you think obama clinched the elections ? 520884;1392956817;decimation;Karpales should be arrested by the UN for being a fat fuck 520885;1392956820;mircea_popescu;#occupy-bumstreet 520886;1392956826;decimation;busin' bums from the 'hood 520887;1392956830;Vexual;dont ill have another hernia 520888;1392956843;mircea_popescu;Vexual i hear Hernia's pretty hawt. 520889;1392956974;Vexual;seriously, don't make me laugh too much or ill have to pay some faggot surgeon tho render me unconcious and tke a knife to my nether regions 520890;1392956980;decimation;mircea, I liked your nigger story on trilema, but I was confused about the link on your second footnote - do you mean Yarvin's article posted Sep 2013? 520891;1392957007;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 257 @ 0.00303966 = 0.7812 BTC [+] {2} 520892;1392957055;mircea_popescu;decimation yes, i do. 520893;1392957062;decimation;okay that makes sense then 520894;1392957086;mircea_popescu;a rare day when what you thought mp meant is what mp actually meant. 520895;1392957090;mircea_popescu;lets celebrate! 520896;1392957112;decimation;heh. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Mr. Yarvin reads your blog 520897;1392957122;mircea_popescu;it wouldn't hurt him if he did. 520898;1392957129;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 909 @ 0.00020009 = 0.1819 BTC [-] 520899;1392957142;decimation;his early stuff was good, especially on the structure of power in the us and economics 520900;1392957149;decimation;low SNR though 520901;1392957150;mircea_popescu;anyway, kids about his age in romania used to do this all the time. 520902;1392957190;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 935 @ 0.00020009 = 0.1871 BTC [-] 520903;1392957196;decimation;skim stuff from idea makers? 520904;1392957197;mircea_popescu;i know the general opinion is that omg copying is bad or w/e, but i don't hold it. any painter worth a shit was made by copying the old masters in his own hand. it's how you become a good writer, rewrite fucking hemingway 520905;1392957200;mircea_popescu;or whover you like. 520906;1392957232;mircea_popescu;decimation the idea isn't to "skim stuff" and try to pass it as your own. the idea is this : 520907;1392957251;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3050 @ 0.00020108 = 0.6133 BTC [+] {2} 520908;1392957261;mircea_popescu;suppose a guy who is older than you, and better than you, and smarter and more connected and cultivated and powerful than you has a number of slaves, among which this absolutely breathtakingly stunning young lady. 520909;1392957286;mircea_popescu;now, stealing her and trying to get her dressed is the best exercise a young boy could possibly attempt. 520910;1392957312;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07000003 = 1.05 BTC [-] 520911;1392957315;mircea_popescu;because, turns out, keeping teh girl content is not exactly trivial. it seemed trivial back when the other guy was doing it, but it is not in fact trivial. 520912;1392957321;mircea_popescu;this is much better than derping about "privilege" 520913;1392957329;Vexual;rum diaries? 520914;1392957355;decimation;yeah, being a good master (husband, employer, etc) is hardass thankless work 520915;1392957362;mircea_popescu;it's not thankless. 520916;1392957371;mircea_popescu;i get thanked on hands and knees on regular basis. 520917;1392957399;mircea_popescu;this is how socialism starts : by encouraging the slaves to not be expressively thankful. 520918;1392957404;mircea_popescu;it all proceeds from there. 520919;1392957434;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00305 = 0.2318 BTC [+] 520920;1392957435;decimation;This is how the us has become ungovernable 520921;1392957441;mircea_popescu;quite possibly. 520922;1392957506;mircea_popescu;i mean, take the notion of censorship. you consider it unbearable to be told to shut the fuck up, keep your bitching to yourself and disperse right now. but... you DO keep your thanking to yourself as a matter of course, as if it's ordained from on high. 520923;1392957526;mircea_popescu;not like you go to the boss and say, hey, it just dawned on me, you're so much smarter than me. thank you for taking the time to be my boss. 520924;1392957537;mircea_popescu;and if anyone else does, whay! THAT ASSHOLE! THAT BROWNNOSE. 520925;1392957538;Vexual;i vote 2 520926;1392957553;mircea_popescu;well... in this context censorship is merely the enforcing of the obligation of coherence. 520927;1392957574;mircea_popescu;suddenly you have a society in which censorship is not at all absurd, but quite logically sound and flowing from what the people do. 520928;1392957576;mircea_popescu;this sucks. 520929;1392957598;mircea_popescu;(and obviously i mean nothing personal by "you") 520930;1392957647;B007;the boss is not always smarter 520931;1392957651;mircea_popescu;so then tell him. 520932;1392957659;mircea_popescu;obviously he's not always smarter. 520933;1392957661;Vexual;same as ungovernable 520934;1392957666;B007;but what if you want to keep the job 520935;1392957670;Vexual;its not a thing 520936;1392957679;decimation;so the boss has a right to ensure the slaves are in order 520937;1392957684;mircea_popescu;you don't want to keep the job where he a) isn't smarter and b) can't cope. 520938;1392957703;mircea_popescu;decimation more like, it's your duty to live in a sane world. 520939;1392957722;decimation;in the case where you are in an insane job situation, for example, it would be your duty to leave 520940;1392957730;mircea_popescu;indeed it would. 520941;1392957849;decimation;so the position of master cannot be granted by fiat 520942;1392957865;mircea_popescu;B007 of interest re the boss being smarter always or not, see the mp 50-50 rule, too. 520943;1392957870;mircea_popescu;decimation yes it can. be your fiat. 520944;1392957887;mircea_popescu;and it should be, because just like with the poker table : if you live with no masters it just means you're an idiot. 520945;1392957918;mircea_popescu;s/be your/by your/ 520946;1392957972;Vexual;thats some heavy fucking popescuism 520947;1392957981;mircea_popescu;yeah, only about 3k years old. 520948;1392958015;Vexual;i was just gonna say i feel like i should be sitting by a campfire 10k yrs ago 520949;1392958044;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 980 @ 0.0002 = 0.196 BTC [-] 520950;1392958143;B007;:%s/be your/by your/g 520951;1392958150;Duffer1;i'm at a total loss, what could possible prevent me from uploading images to imgur or photobucket or tinypic.. 520952;1392958154;decimation;it is my experience that there is always someone greater 520953;1392958154;Duffer1;possibly* 520954;1392958184;B007;Duffer1: whats wrong? 520955;1392958210;Duffer1;i get an error message whenever i try to upload a pic to imgur 520956;1392958227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00087322 = 33.7063 BTC [+] {5} 520957;1392958227;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 709 @ 0.00292987 = 2.0773 BTC [-] {11} 520958;1392958230;Duffer1;not just imgur but any of those sites, regardless of browser 520959;1392958241;B007;what error 520960;1392958249;Vexual;decimation: i find that when i try to trade 520961;1392958258;Duffer1;unknown just says an error occured 520962;1392958287;B007;unreliable internet? 520963;1392958288;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1939 @ 0.00082945 = 1.6083 BTC [-] {17} 520964;1392958300;dub;sniff dem packets 520965;1392958306;B007;ya 520966;1392958342;Vexual;what are you uploading duffer? 520967;1392958363;Duffer1;pics of one of my boats for stringpuller 520968;1392958383;Vexual;one of your boats? how many do you have? 520969;1392958393;Duffer1;a few 520970;1392958395;Duffer1;they're models 520971;1392958417;Vexual;tiikoni.com/tis 520972;1392958458;dub;he got mad yachts 520973;1392958561;Vexual;are you watching black sails? 520974;1392958576;Vexual;as a prequal to treasure island it's disappointing 520975;1392958587;Duffer1;hey it worked http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=3f29bfd 520976;1392958612;Duffer1;how does that work first try but none of the others do.. fml 520977;1392958644;Vexual;ok now i feel jealousy, do yo u sell them? 520978;1392958657;Vexual;is taht real copper? 520979;1392958667;Duffer1;yea copper hull 520980;1392958689;Duffer1;there's no market for em, it's my hobby 520981;1392958715;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00299999 = 0.264 BTC [+] {2} 520982;1392958773;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 the grandeur of javascript. 520983;1392958776;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.00299999 = 0.111 BTC [+] 520984;1392958905;Duffer1;reinstall java maybe? 520985;1392958966;Vexual;delete java 520986;1392959132;B007;i like writing java exploits 520987;1392959137;B007;so much fun 520988;1392959270;Vexual;are the spars painted plastic? 520989;1392959296;Duffer1;it's all wood and string and copper 520990;1392959305;Vexual;whats it worth? 520991;1392959325;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.08699999 = 0.174 BTC [+] 520992;1392959348;Vexual;those hooks should be lashed 520993;1392959373;Duffer1;;;later tell thestringpuller must be java problem http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=d767b59 http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=57922df http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=3f29bfd http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=d41c734 520994;1392959373;gribble;The operation succeeded. 520995;1392959393;Duffer1;lies what hooks? 520996;1392959408;Vexual;abaft the ratlines 520997;1392959441;Duffer1;you can get a finished one on ebay i'm sure dirt cheap 520998;1392959453;Vexual;not with a copper hull 520999;1392959519;Vexual;put aleanor gibbens on the deck and we'll talk coin 521000;1392959560;Duffer1;ha 521001;1392959569;Duffer1;i'm pretty sure the hooks are period correct 521002;1392959569;MisterE;when will we test 500 already?!?! 521003;1392959578;MisterE;today for sure 521004;1392959579;KRS-One;second hand word from ne0futur is that mtgox was hacked...anyone? 521005;1392959807;mircea_popescu;KRS-One that scammer is still talking in public ? 521006;1392959809;mircea_popescu;fascinating. 521007;1392959960;MisterE;I doubt even the people in Gox know wtf is going on let alone outsiders 521008;1392960059;KRS-One;Yes, supposedly. I got that info from someone else. 521009;1392960081;KRS-One;i just joined the chan where is talking #mtgox-chat 521010;1392960139;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4Z9AuT9g5k 521011;1392960150;KRS-One;http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mtgox-protest 521012;1392960156;KRS-One;live feed from mtgox hq 521013;1392960192;Vexual;fuck 13 k viewers 521014;1392960210;kakobrekla;lol that guy "we knew mtgox is idiots" 521015;1392960217;kakobrekla;then why the fuck did you have money there 521016;1392960225;Vexual;nneds more stippers 521017;1392960282;Vexual;can we get btc girls in tokyo? 521018;1392960327;decimation;needs more bums too. I bet most bums in Japan are too polite to be much use here though 521019;1392960328;cazalla;even if they had my coins, i wouldn't sit out there all day 521020;1392960336;Vexual;roastu ducku tabemashteka? 521021;1392960372;Vexual;me neither, id send an email 521022;1392960400;Vexual;shall i traslate? 521023;1392960416;KRS-One;need moar young japanese hello kitty girls 521024;1392960419;KRS-One;.bait 521025;1392960423;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-] 521026;1392960432;Vexual;ozbot asleep 521027;1392960492;decimation;the irony of this whole affair is that while various us states are contemplating idiotic bitcoin regulation, actual bitcoin villians are scamming funds from us citizens 521028;1392960570;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wa95CvhESQ 521029;1392960780;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADo6wawOUFo 521030;1392960839;decimation;such poor editing 521031;1392960855;Vexual;its a lime stream 521032;1392960911;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.485 = 3.395 BTC [+] 521033;1392960912;Vexual;hey its a mac, AusBitBank should go and steal it! 521034;1392960931;decimation;no I mean your japanese music videos 521035;1392960942;Vexual;yeah 521036;1392960942;*;AusBitBank wakes up 521037;1392960945;Vexual;lol 521038;1392960954;Vexual;sup AusBitBank? 521039;1392960973;AusBitBank;nothin much .. what am I stealing now ? *reads backlog* 521040;1392961001;Vexual;nothing i know of 521041;1392961024;Vexual;unless you're affiliated with gox these dyas? :) 521042;1392961049;AusBitBank;lol nah I cut ties with that trainwreck long ago 521043;1392961076;decimation;lol all the sad sacks whining on the ustream 521044;1392961118;decimation;I sold my house and gave the proceeds to Karapales why oh why 521045;1392961143;Vexual;its all good in the neighbourhood mano 521046;1392961228;Vexual;i kinda wish i had an account 521047;1392961256;decimation;just so you can watch the trainwreck? 521048;1392961275;Vexual;yeah 521049;1392961311;Vexual;bitcoinity should aution gifspace 521050;1392961399;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-] 521051;1392961400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00086793 = 37.8417 BTC [-] {2} 521052;1392961880;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajeL87l3prM 521053;1392962031;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBcywAE1pTk 521054;1392962344;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YbGN1BMSLc 521055;1392962680;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.06200001 = 0.992 BTC [-] {2} 521056;1392962802;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC 521057;1392962803;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1024 = 0.3072 BTC [+] {2} 521058;1392962804;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06200001 = 0.124 BTC [-] 521059;1392962805;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] 521060;1392962985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00086861 = 4.9511 BTC [+] 521061;1392963000;Vexual;KRS-One that stream would be a lot more interesting with godzilla 521062;1392963158;Vexual;did they move to shibuya? 521063;1392963197;Vexual;can we get these guys on chan? 521064;1392963223;Vexual;ill buy em a pizza 521065;1392963227;Luke-Jr;>_< that SubsidyAlgo patch broke it 521066;1392963405;Vexual;oh 521067;1392963419;Vexual;does dhl fly there? 521068;1392963489;Vexual;what journalist? 521069;1392963736;Duffer1;i keep checking log to see if you're talking to someone i have on ignore.. 521070;1392963749;Vexual;me? 521071;1392963754;Duffer1;ya lol 521072;1392963765;Vexual;luke was ere, is he ignore? 521073;1392963793;Duffer1;nope 521074;1392963805;Vexual;im just talking to myself 521075;1392963812;Duffer1;<3 521076;1392963829;Vexual;>_< 521077;1392964036;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Quy2RhefKT0 521078;1392964129;Vexual;dhl! 521079;1392964212;greenspan_fan;and the marketplace deliver: https://www.bitcoinbuilder.com/ 521080;1392964230;greenspan_fan;(don't know if anyone has already mentioned it) 521081;1392964289;Vexual;tre market 521082;1392964321;greenspan_fan;or, if you prefer, technical people looking to profit off of technical incompetence 521083;1392964399;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/ 521084;1392964405;mircea_popescu;required reading, as they say. 521085;1392964505;mircea_popescu;Luke-Jr say wut ? 521086;1392964541;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan yeah we had a lol yest. 521087;1392964608;greenspan_fan;idk if it's completely fungible; you can analyze the blockchain, right? and idk if there's a mixer that you can trust. 521088;1392964634;kakobrekla;Sorry kakobrekla, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum. 521089;1392964634;kakobrekla;You have been banned by a forum moderator. You may appeal here: banappeals-w6pquw43@theymos.e4ward.com . 521090;1392964639;kakobrekla;ok so this is the new ban model 521091;1392964651;Vexual;you're always benned 521092;1392964677;kakobrekla;yeah well ill ban them back if they come here!!11 521093;1392964685;Vexual;excellent 521094;1392964736;greenspan_fan;like I mean, once you have a certain amount of information about the users inferences between two addresses becomes much more accurate 521095;1392964790;greenspan_fan;what would you do if people started leaning on you for data on your customers? 521096;1392964796;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan nope, you can't "analyze" the blockchain, 521097;1392964805;mircea_popescu;you can just think you can. 521098;1392964824;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla hardly worth the attention now are they. 521099;1392964832;Vexual;i lik ethis gox,bum, just trading 521100;1392964865;Vexual;stop asking feckin stoopid questiuns 521101;1392964866;kakobrekla;anyone with half a brain is not there. 521102;1392964887;Vexual;yeah well i dont have a pssport 521103;1392964889;mircea_popescu;hes just trying to get a bitcent or w/e it is. 521104;1392964939;Vexual;32ksterling 521105;1392965011;Vexual;oim fookin ruined! 521106;1392965242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9932 @ 0.00087296 = 8.6702 BTC [+] 521107;1392965306;mircea_popescu;https://blog.blockchain.info/ 521108;1392965311;mircea_popescu;check out the derpage seriously. 521109;1392965312;mircea_popescu;bluehost ? 521110;1392965325;Vexual;derpage be in the feed 521111;1392965354;Vexual;how much yen u lost? whoa i cant count 521112;1392965389;kakobrekla;but can you cunt? 521113;1392965401;Vexual;you dont even know kano :)( 521114;1392965438;Vexual;im surely feeling a fiddle coming on 521115;1392965537;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGPGknpq3e0 521116;1392965583;greenspan_fan;I was hoping for a link with more fiddle 521117;1392965665;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xmg0uVsPpk 521118;1392965724;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Congratulations on defending the slander of your soul from the indignity of being allowed on Bitcointalk 521119;1392965760;kakobrekla;thank you! 521120;1392965802;kakobrekla;i would drink some voda and instant coffee to toast if i had some 521121;1392965807;kakobrekla;vodka 521122;1392965859;benkay;amazing concontion 521123;1392965859;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 521124;1392965859;mircea_popescu;got potatoes ? 521125;1392965863;benkay;cuntcocktion 521126;1392965934;kakobrekla;i got potatoes, i love potatoes, i dont hav etime 521127;1392965969;mircea_popescu;so if you don't have time, have a potato. 521128;1392965981;benkay;potahto 521129;1392965994;Vexual;no more whisky no more gin 521130;1392966008;Vexual;its vodka dribbling down my svchin 521131;1392966032;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ouqhCtIh2g&feature=kp 521132;1392966041;kakobrekla;raw potato will make my time even shorter 521133;1392966045;benkay;this is disappointing: https://blockchain.info/address/13iGD7nu6kXTtPS9DxKhY4gJdgchvdXJFH 521134;1392966073;Duffer1;? 521135;1392966077;kakobrekla;is that gox cold storage? 521136;1392966084;Duffer1;ha 521137;1392966250;benkay;http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/ 521138;1392966271;mircea_popescu;This exceptionally cold and snowy winter has shown that government climate scientists were dead wrong when it came to predicting just how cold this winter would be, while the 197-year old Farmers Almanac predicted this winter would be bitterly cold. 521139;1392966278;mircea_popescu;moar farmer's almanac. 521140;1392966307;benkay;i'm going to go ahead and guess they're both kinda just stochastically wrong 521141;1392966357;greenspan_fan;stochastically? climate science makes bad predictions due to overfitting 521142;1392966382;greenspan_fan;"With four parameters I can fit an elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk" -- Abraham Lincoln 521143;1392966390;mircea_popescu;actually i'm with greenspan_fan here. 521144;1392966400;benkay;wrong with a beautifully normal distribution on some wrongness axis 521145;1392966408;mircea_popescu;they overfit to all hell, which is the bane of noobs and politicos in science. 521146;1392966411;mircea_popescu;and finance. 521147;1392966414;mircea_popescu;and everything. 521148;1392966444;Vexual;i agree check your barometer and your atns 521149;1392966459;benkay;not really buying that an almanac is more accurate 521150;1392966487;mircea_popescu;why not ? 521151;1392966492;greenspan_fan;if climate change worries you, looking at the reports they don't really publicize that some places stand to benefit 521152;1392966520;greenspan_fan;I'd take it more seriously if all the people involved were buying up russian and canadian farmland 521153;1392966524;benkay;eh not terribly worried about the downside. i know it's pretty bad. 521154;1392966530;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan meta fitting :) 521155;1392966531;Duffer1;kansas needs shoreline 521156;1392966538;Vexual;why no aussie greenspan_fan? 521157;1392966547;benkay;gotta drain the tundra, greenspan_fan. 521158;1392966551;benkay;it's not simply farmable as is. 521159;1392966563;mircea_popescu;benkay minable. 521160;1392966590;greenspan_fan;Vexual: ozone depletion, so you get (more) cancer w/ your tan? I haven't looked at it in years though 521161;1392966598;Vexual;china is buying our arable land like theres no tommorrow 521162;1392966606;jurov;benkay you need water, not just soil 521163;1392966611;benkay;mircea_popescu i was going to bring up water table problems but just freeze a berm around your mining works el oh el oh el 521164;1392966666;mircea_popescu;im not a geologist employed by a venture fund trying to buy siberian lands, so what do i care about the water table et all. 521165;1392966685;mircea_popescu;obviously some places will be better and others worse, but we're discussing the birdseye view here 521166;1392966697;benkay;nm 521167;1392966759;mircea_popescu;it'll drain somewhere. you don't really want to buy the riverbed, i guess, but if you disperse your ownership you gotta average out ok. 521168;1392966763;benkay;i don't really expect accuracy on predictions of the behavior of a really complex multidimensional set of oscillators and dampers (see: planetary processes of weather etc) with totally unknown coupling from a set of modelers whose heads gotta be up they asses much less a book from a ways back 521169;1392966787;mircea_popescu;benkay the book is better, strictly because it doesn't have the tools to overfit with. 521170;1392966793;mircea_popescu;you familiar with the concept of overfitting ? 521171;1392966794;greenspan_fan;well, the book looks at far less data, and perhaps those parameters are better selected 521172;1392966808;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan nah, they simply don't know math. that's their saving grace. 521173;1392966821;Vexual;overfitting is imaining where the diamonds are without sighting them? 521174;1392966824;benkay;intimately. i did a spot of modeling when building a wafer host for a wager probing mfgr. 521175;1392966839;mircea_popescu;benkay ok so then. 521176;1392966868;greenspan_fan;I'm doing some modelling too, but it's mostly catalogue work for sears 521177;1392966876;mircea_popescu;not knowing you can do complex poly fitting means you'll just draw a line through the datapoints 521178;1392966877;benkay;okay out of curiosity, on what bases were the authors of this almanac predicting? 521179;1392966880;mircea_popescu;rather than end up with some crazy. 521180;1392966887;greenspan_fan;I think it's just cyclical trends? 521181;1392966889;benkay;fully granted 521182;1392966892;mircea_popescu;benkay hearsay. 521183;1392966913;mircea_popescu;i think you underestimate the majorly powerful computer natural language is. 521184;1392966927;mircea_popescu;you perhaps imagine mankind hasn't been using computers before the numeric machines. this would be false. 521185;1392966938;benkay;hah i do? 521186;1392966946;mircea_popescu;i dunno, why im proposing it. 521187;1392966970;benkay;i operate from the basis that we're just chemical machines. 521188;1392966981;greenspan_fan;additionally, all the fancy numerical methods we use are older than the farmer's almanac, or close to 521189;1392966981;mircea_popescu;a ok then. well that'd be overfitting for our needs. 521190;1392966990;mircea_popescu;let's say that we are chemical machines which fit a very primitive lua. 521191;1392966998;benkay;cognition, layered abstractions. 521192;1392967006;mircea_popescu;much like bitcoin is running on supercomputers but basically oding some very primitive scripting. 521193;1392967010;mircea_popescu;you with me ? 521194;1392967029;benkay;yeah yeah 521195;1392967047;mircea_popescu;so a bunch of derps cca 1700 who are desperately aware of farming, cause their life depends on it 521196;1392967064;mircea_popescu;will make and diffuse observations, which is not so unlike asciilifeform's light problem solver yest. 521197;1392967071;mircea_popescu;eventually they compute something 521198;1392967072;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00226762 = 1.0204 BTC [+] 521199;1392967077;mircea_popescu;and that something is the farmer's almanac. 521200;1392967087;greenspan_fan;it's kind of like feature discovery in AI 521201;1392967088;mircea_popescu;it's not either very good or very fixable (or actionable, scientifically) 521202;1392967095;mircea_popescu;but it IS a better fit than the modern climate science. 521203;1392967116;greenspan_fan;you quantify something (albeit abstractly, like "cold winter" or "windy previous season" or whatever) 521204;1392967130;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan that's the beauty of natural language vs math. 521205;1392967138;mircea_popescu;"cold winter" IS a quantification in that sense. 521206;1392967142;mircea_popescu;it just doesn't have a numeric value 521207;1392967152;mircea_popescu;it has a lingustic value. 521208;1392967155;benkay;oh man but this system has a horrible problem 521209;1392967160;mircea_popescu;it does yes 521210;1392967162;mircea_popescu;a number of them. 521211;1392967164;greenspan_fan;hence abstractly; then you can form causal relationships between your observations 521212;1392967176;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan yeah we're pretty much in agreement. 521213;1392967178;benkay;which is that most people have just totally fucked substrates for running these operations 521214;1392967190;mircea_popescu;benkay errors diverge. 521215;1392967210;mircea_popescu;that's why it takles 197 fucking years to even compute anything usable. 521216;1392967253;greenspan_fan;additionally, people reinforce their belief on correct predictions and the people who are bad at thinking in terms of a-->b tend to starve vs. write almanacks 521217;1392967255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00087605 = 10.0746 BTC [+] {2} 521218;1392967278;mircea_popescu;and a whole slew of things such as group selection, and marginalisation, etc 521219;1392967287;mircea_popescu;all flow from trying to keep the machine as sharp as possible. 521220;1392967291;greenspan_fan;what is cool is that there's all these (possibly apocryphal) stories about how, say, the inuit have 47 different words for snow 521221;1392967308;mircea_popescu;that's why the scapegoat is NOT a "horrible crime" in a 1700s culture, but quite fucking required, sane and reasonable. 521222;1392967336;greenspan_fan;why would you need so many words? because these are the features that you use to interpret your environment, and sometimes survival means knowing light, wet snow from permafrost 521223;1392967371;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan boas' idea is widely disputed. 521224;1392967376;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't use it raw like that. 521225;1392967438;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07001 = 1.0502 BTC [+] 521226;1392967448;benkay;there being a relationship between abstraction power of words and the number of maintained in brain on mental horsepower. 521227;1392967455;benkay;some optimization point on the curve, etc 521228;1392967469;mircea_popescu;benkay the original argument against teaching the plebs to write. 521229;1392967472;mircea_popescu;still valid to this day. 521230;1392967485;benkay;hah i get it fills their brains with ideas they can't handle 521231;1392967488;mircea_popescu;the original argument against moving away from latin service in church. "what and lose all that abstraction power ?!?!" 521232;1392967489;benkay;they'll go crazy! 521233;1392967508;mircea_popescu;benkay no. "it will take more than they can carry to teach them what we mean by all the words" 521234;1392967516;mircea_popescu;"they'll fuck up the values of our variables and break all the code" 521235;1392967540;benkay;does latin have significant abstraction power? 521236;1392967543;benkay;also what are your favorite languages? 521237;1392967558;mircea_popescu;in the sense that at the time french didn't exist latin had been used continuously by millions for millenia 521238;1392967559;mircea_popescu;yes it did. 521239;1392967570;greenspan_fan;english, lisp, then latin in my case 521240;1392967582;mircea_popescu;greek, latin and romanian. 521241;1392967616;greenspan_fan;vulgus vult decepi, ergo decepitur 521242;1392967628;benkay;what's your ranking of them by power of expression? 521243;1392967648;mircea_popescu;there's no such power of expression function that can be discussed over the set. 521244;1392967663;benkay;sure and all programming languages are turing equivalent so why bother 521245;1392967666;greenspan_fan;I'd put english, then lisp, then latin, but that's probably by order of familiarity 521246;1392967682;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00087697 = 5.6126 BTC [+] 521247;1392967687;mircea_popescu;benkay if you care of some inkiling of why greek is the mother of them all, maybe http://trilema.com/2009/etimologia-democratiei/ 521248;1392967725;greenspan_fan;I'm kinda skeptical that you can trace lisp back to greek 521249;1392967734;mircea_popescu;you can trace thought back to greek 521250;1392967737;mircea_popescu;lisp, not so much. 521251;1392967746;greenspan_fan;I can't even find a keyboard that has the greek alphabet in it 521252;1392967756;mircea_popescu;no space cadet where you live ? 521253;1392967783;greenspan_fan;have you read Jaynes' "The origin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind"? it's kinda on point in that regard 521254;1392967794;mircea_popescu;yeah. 521255;1392967805;greenspan_fan;and no, so all my variables are "alpha" or "epsilon", which is frankly depressing 521256;1392967837;benkay;mircea_popescu: what did you think of the Jaynes book? 521257;1392967857;mircea_popescu;i thought it was okay. 521258;1392967887;greenspan_fan;it's more something that you read about for the ideas, rather than because it's a complete and fleshed out theory 521259;1392967929;benkay;on an entirely unrelated topic 521260;1392967988;benkay;this waffling about the legality of bitcoin by places thailand etc are just going to delay its recognition as a thing by the big institutions 521261;1392967991;benkay;which is great 521262;1392968002;mircea_popescu;it's really indiferent. 521263;1392968044;greenspan_fan;more time to perfect the algorithm vs. faster adoption? 521264;1392968054;mircea_popescu;take the great plague. what difference does the church pronouncement against a great plague, or for it, or about it 521265;1392968059;mircea_popescu;make to the plague itself ? 521266;1392968084;greenspan_fan;if you tell all the churchgoers to stay indoors it might make a difference 521267;1392968088;mircea_popescu;did it ? 521268;1392968103;mircea_popescu;plagues run to completion. they know. 521269;1392968115;greenspan_fan;haha 521270;1392968135;greenspan_fan;and sometimes, the people it forces to stay indoors invent calculus 521271;1392968146;greenspan_fan;or something. I forget. 521272;1392968162;mircea_popescu;sure. lawsky will probably invent a whole new way of fucking women in your office 521273;1392968168;mircea_popescu;owing to his very bizzare low table. 521274;1392968207;greenspan_fan;googled it, was not disappointed 521275;1392968238;mircea_popescu;one thing that always shocked me about soviet aparatchicks was how horribly bad their suits were. 521276;1392968261;mircea_popescu;today what shocks me about the soviet aparatchicks is how horribly uncomfortable their stuff is. 521277;1392968268;jurov;benkay, define recognition 521278;1392968294;benkay;"harder, please" 521279;1392968297;jurov;they will try to ban it? tax it? how? 521280;1392968302;mircea_popescu;jurov you going to go for a "what they think they see is not what is there thus no recognition could have taken place" ? 521281;1392968319;mircea_popescu;lol harder please 521282;1392968327;mircea_popescu;you know you'd have made a great harem girl benkay ? 521283;1392968342;jurov;yes, i'm interested wha exactly benkay thinks he sees 521284;1392968349;benkay;i'm working on training my first! 521285;1392968377;benkay;i dunno 521286;1392968380;benkay;i'm stoned 521287;1392968382;mircea_popescu;don't break anything. 521288;1392968384;benkay;it's late 521289;1392968391;benkay;hands off the servers i promise 521290;1392968468;greenspan_fan;what's bizarre to me is how everyone in that AMA was pretty much begging for regulation 521291;1392968483;mircea_popescu;they'd also made decent harem girls. 521292;1392968488;mircea_popescu;most do. 521293;1392968558;greenspan_fan;but it's this unquestioning faith that the best policy is to always shoehorn everything into whatever the prevailing paradigm was 521294;1392968568;benkay;eventually the bag bursts 521295;1392968574;mircea_popescu;seems a reasonable approach really. 521296;1392968580;mircea_popescu;woman goes picking berries. 521297;1392968596;mircea_popescu;if she finds a new type of berries, you really expect her to run home and come back with a new type of berry bag ? 521298;1392968630;greenspan_fan;it's more like, if you went picking berries and wandered upon a mcdonalds 521299;1392968643;mircea_popescu;even so. 521300;1392968656;greenspan_fan;yes, you can store cheeseburgers in the same bag, but you could also just use the drivethru 521301;1392968669;mircea_popescu;but you don't have a drivethrough in your country. 521302;1392968722;greenspan_fan;(before the analogies diverge too much) the problem is is that it completely misses the point about how there's now a fundamentally different way of acquiring food 521303;1392968733;Vexual;;;ud dillybag 521304;1392968734;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dilly%20Bag | Dec 15, 2010 ... Dilly Bag. Apparel such as a satchel or handbag carried by escorts and strippers that are used to contain a variety of accessories used in their ... 521305;1392968744;mircea_popescu;obviously it misses the point. 521306;1392968746;benkay;thanks vex 521307;1392968749;mircea_popescu;why'd you expect her not to miss the point ? 521308;1392968764;greenspan_fan;because that is a universe I would like to live in 521309;1392968768;benkay;hey Vexual hit me with some old dub 521310;1392968782;Vexual;how old ar eyou? 521311;1392968797;benkay;hahaha 521312;1392968802;benkay;from before 1970 plz 521313;1392968810;benkay;50's if you got it, if it exists 521314;1392968813;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan so then act that way don't expect that way :D 521315;1392968826;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYPOghwtEr4 521316;1392968862;benkay;lovely thankee 521317;1392968863;Vexual;too big a jump 521318;1392968893;benkay;it's grand 521319;1392968915;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu it's not something that you can do just on your own, though 521320;1392968950;mircea_popescu;not missing the point is not something you can do on your own ? 521321;1392968956;mircea_popescu;then what do you want from her. 521322;1392968988;greenspan_fan;if there's a big enough push, the government can/will step in, regulate everything they can regulate and exterminate everything else 521323;1392969047;greenspan_fan;it's a marginal risk w/r/t bitcoin, but jeez, one wishes everyone could just get w/ the program w/o all these false steps 521324;1392969088;mircea_popescu;what are you talking about even. 521325;1392969125;greenspan_fan;for example that fawning AMA 521326;1392969203;greenspan_fan;he (and his suspiciously low desk) aren't on your side. They might not be against you, but it's still not a great idea to do your best to hand over control to the first guy with a title and incipient back problems who comes along 521327;1392969209;mircea_popescu;they aren't ?! 521328;1392969224;mircea_popescu;wait, reddit hands something over ? 521329;1392969230;greenspan_fan;well, not really 521330;1392969244;greenspan_fan;as you point out those people are typically sub 0.1 btc holders 521331;1392969254;mircea_popescu;dude five minutes ago we were in perfect agreement on complex math stuff, now i have no idea even what you're on about. 521332;1392969257;mircea_popescu;how can things change so. 521333;1392969273;greenspan_fan;local inflection point, maybe? 521334;1392969278;mircea_popescu;must be someting. 521335;1392969286;mircea_popescu;but i mean, from what axioms you proceed ? 521336;1392969291;mircea_popescu;i can't identify a shared one even. 521337;1392969334;greenspan_fan;A1: The government has, at varying levels of cost, options to subvert/ruin the valuable aspects of bitcoin 521338;1392969362;Vexual;bullshit 521339;1392969375;greenspan_fan;A2: the government responds to popular will, to some degree 521340;1392969427;greenspan_fan;A3: The folks on reddit constitute a reasonable sample of the voting public, from which "popular will" is derived 521341;1392969440;mircea_popescu;a1 and a2 aren't true tho. 521342;1392969454;mircea_popescu;but write out the whole list it/ll be helpful 521343;1392969459;Vexual;bc was invented for government fail, not to solve it 521344;1392969474;greenspan_fan;doing so, since I went to the trouble of using colons and everything 521345;1392969510;greenspan_fan;P1 (A2, A3): The support on reddit indicates there's some popular demand for government regulation of bitcoin 521346;1392969517;benkay;another vex another 521347;1392969571;mircea_popescu;wait, aren't you missing a a4 ? 521348;1392969576;Vexual;where do we go from here? 521349;1392969607;greenspan_fan;P2 (P1, A1): There's a good chance of government regulation/interference occuring, which, depending on the effort involved, could lead to subversion of the valuable aspects of bitcoin 521350;1392969618;chetty_;reddit twerps count as popular demand? now I know I fell down the rabbit hole 521351;1392969641;mircea_popescu;chetty_ myeah. 521352;1392969647;benkay;something with some soul 521353;1392969661;jurov;subversion of the valuable aspects of bitcoin << what should i imagine here? 521354;1392969662;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan your axiomatic system is incomplete. the redditards live off the govt dole. since the govt can not create value out of thin air, you're missing an a4 521355;1392969668;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXbP4JBf8To 521356;1392969673;mircea_popescu;describing the people the govt actually extracts value from to give to a3. 521357;1392969727;benkay;amazing vexual! 521358;1392969727;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 521359;1392969753;greenspan_fan;I don't even really know how the us economy functions, but it does, after a fashion 521360;1392969770;greenspan_fan;so I think it's fair to say that it has some ability to execute on A1 521361;1392969787;greenspan_fan;consider that part of the "dole", in the form of pandering 521362;1392969828;greenspan_fan;that really should be A4, to be honest; it's kinda weird how I thought that was pre-axiomatic... :( 521363;1392969833;mircea_popescu;;;later tell mike_c here's the actual data : since jan 1st mpoe bot has quoted 7192 times, for a total book exposure of 62930 minutes, = ~43.7 days (out of 51.4) so like 85%. of these in turn 7 (so like 90%) have been since the 14th, ie since the signal divergence. 521364;1392969833;gribble;The operation succeeded. 521365;1392969854;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan :p 521366;1392969867;mircea_popescu;so now... the people whose livelihood depends on government do see it as on their side. it is. 521367;1392969877;mircea_popescu;they also do expect it to continue making their lives possible, as it has in the past. 521368;1392969895;mircea_popescu;now, on these reasonable expectations you posit that the government can somehow take the shine out of metal for their benefit ? 521369;1392969902;mircea_popescu;the shine is to the metal, not separable. 521370;1392969939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24180 @ 0.00087717 = 21.21 BTC [+] {2} 521371;1392969941;greenspan_fan;bitcoin's an idea, and to quote abraham lincoln once again, "there's nothing that can stop an idea whose time has come" 521372;1392969958;greenspan_fan;but in the short term you can delay it, for sure 521373;1392969961;mircea_popescu;more importantly : your average kid on reddit could not survive if i teleported him to a random place on earth. 521374;1392969968;Vexual;tru dat 521375;1392969969;mircea_popescu;of fucking course he expects what he expects neh ? 521376;1392970002;mircea_popescu;but merely that of course he expects it is no ground to say of course it can be done. 521377;1392970007;greenspan_fan;so I wish these people would just get with the program and not invite the apparatchiks (I think that's also the model of his desk? from ikea, maybe?) to mess things up 521378;1392970022;mircea_popescu;of course children expect to be the kings of creation. so what of it ? 521379;1392970042;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0A3-wc0rpw 521380;1392970046;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan but a) they're not inviting him anywhere, because wherever they are so is he already 521381;1392970052;mircea_popescu;and b) what's he gonna fuck up ? reddit ? 521382;1392970088;greenspan_fan;I think we're mainly in disagreement w/r/t whether or not they'd be able to meaningfully intervene 521383;1392970107;mircea_popescu;so model it. 521384;1392970189;greenspan_fan;if I had the resources of the us govt, and I wanted to wreck bitcoin at all costs, I'd start w/ outlawing its use for payment, and impose penalties for anyone in my jurisdiction who has a bitcoin wallet 521385;1392970199;mircea_popescu;you read the discussion re atc with asciilifeform ? 521386;1392970212;greenspan_fan;no, can you link me? 521387;1392970234;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2014#505460 521388;1392970281;greenspan_fan;then I'd move on to technical subversion, which might mean dedicating supercomputers to attack the blockchain, or just ddos/hack any of the major players 521389;1392970352;mircea_popescu;you'd be perpetually too late. 521390;1392970354;mircea_popescu;that is the problem. 521391;1392970368;mircea_popescu;not that you couldn't have run, achilles, but that you neglected the turtle. 521392;1392970372;jurov;greenspan_fan: there are much more cost effective options, and they are deployed right now 521393;1392970379;jurov;this: http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/fosdem/2014/Janson/Sunday/NSA_operation_ORCHESTRA_Annual_Status_Report.webm 521394;1392970393;jurov;long but worthy. 521395;1392970402;benkay;vexual that's crazy 521396;1392970410;greenspan_fan;listening to it while my code compiles 521397;1392970414;Vexual;toolong 521398;1392970420;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0bS-YnLf4s&list=PLB3AFACEE85B0C572 521399;1392970469;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu I think we're a year or two out before the hash rate reaches escape velocity 521400;1392970475;mircea_popescu;really ? 521401;1392970485;mircea_popescu;can you estimate current network hash in alu ops ? 521402;1392970514;greenspan_fan;the bailout was like a trillion dollars 521403;1392970531;mircea_popescu;you familiar with the concept of the bezzle ? 521404;1392970544;greenspan_fan;yes, I am canadian after all :p 521405;1392970568;greenspan_fan;for far less than a billion I could commission enough asics to make the network mine, for all intents and purposes 521406;1392970575;mircea_popescu;ok so. they spent a trillion "Dollars", but those trillion dollars could not have bought a trillion one dollar ringdings 521407;1392970581;mircea_popescu;no, you could not. 521408;1392970601;mircea_popescu;you imagine infinite elasticity. this is false. 521409;1392970609;mircea_popescu;the people who can make asics are ALREADY doing it, on their own account 521410;1392970613;mircea_popescu;they don't need your billion. 521411;1392970617;mircea_popescu;so what you got nao, pops ? 521412;1392970620;mircea_popescu;keep your billion. 521413;1392970638;greenspan_fan;thx, I need it for my rent anyways 521414;1392970645;mircea_popescu;this is exactly the trap VCs in their own mind struggle with atm. 521415;1392970652;mircea_popescu;"o, we got a billion" 521416;1392970660;mircea_popescu;"well... enjoy shoving it in and out ?" 521417;1392970675;mircea_popescu;their bitcoin being, of course, dollars, we couldn't, of course, care less. 521418;1392970679;greenspan_fan;as long as you spend it before the ponzi implodes you're in the clear, no? 521419;1392970686;mircea_popescu;who you're going to spend it to ? 521420;1392970702;mircea_popescu;you're desperate to spend it, and the people you need to do things aren't desperate to get it. 521421;1392970703;jurov;greenspan_fan: you imagine tsmc can and will reject all orders for 2 month or so just cause usg drops a billion? 521422;1392970715;greenspan_fan;the nsa, intel, whomever 521423;1392970732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16528 @ 0.00087979 = 14.5412 BTC [+] {3} 521424;1392970732;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan if the nsa, intel, whomever actually could hire more people 521425;1392970741;mircea_popescu;they'd hire some people who wouldn't be spilling their beans each year. 521426;1392970765;greenspan_fan;if you model leaks as a poisson process, they're actually pretty air-tight 521427;1392970794;greenspan_fan;plus, you're assuming that technical talent doesn't respond to things like patriotism 521428;1392970811;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#475162 << and see that too for better context. 521429;1392970831;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan technical talent DOES respond to patriotism much more than to money. 521430;1392970836;greenspan_fan;a few posters of rosie the solderer and voila, you've got your asics 521431;1392970837;mircea_popescu;the problem is, their country is the serenissima, 521432;1392970848;mircea_popescu;and your shitty empire trying to infiltrate it will pay through the teeth for no results at all. 521433;1392970879;greenspan_fan;as a (possibly out of date) counter example, I could point to the manhattan project 521434;1392970907;greenspan_fan;thousands of supremely bright, capable people, managed by the army, built an atomic bomb in like three years 521435;1392970934;mircea_popescu;still with the manhattan project ? 521436;1392970941;mircea_popescu;you know this was a majorly discussed topic recently hiar. 521437;1392970943;mircea_popescu;do you ? 521438;1392970999;mircea_popescu;anyway : back then the most serene republica veneta was the us. much in the sense of how back then the bitcoin of the world was the usd. 521439;1392971020;jurov;greenspan_fan: anyway, what you suggest is *not* about building something, but the exact opposite 521440;1392971021;mircea_popescu;thigns have changed. we have a real republic and a real bitcoin now, which leaves the us back among its peers. 521441;1392971065;mircea_popescu;jurov here's the funny thing on top of it : if the us actually DID try to build something, like a superadvanced asic design ? we'd get it for free in the next leak bundle. 521442;1392971074;mircea_popescu;and we'd use it better than them, so overal... thanks for the fishes. 521443;1392971295;greenspan_fan;I'm not saying this is likely, or even permanent 521444;1392971352;greenspan_fan;just that my preference would be to avoid the struggle 521445;1392971534;mircea_popescu;why ? 521446;1392971653;greenspan_fan;because I value my time 521447;1392971683;mircea_popescu;but how else is your time to be spent ? 521448;1392971693;mircea_popescu;"life is on the wire. everything else's just waiting." 521449;1392971760;Vexual;todays fish is trout a la creme 521450;1392971773;greenspan_fan;I just don't really see an upside to tedious interference by lansky et. al. 521451;1392971803;Vexual;enjoy your meal 521452;1392971812;jurov;not seeing an upside is different thing than 521453;1392971817;jurov;"subversion of the valuable aspects of bitcoin" 521454;1392971903;greenspan_fan;by valuable aspects I meant things like consistent network performance, ease of exchange, ease of adoption 521455;1392971912;mircea_popescu;uh. 521456;1392971920;mircea_popescu;not only those aren't the valuable aspects of bitcoin 521457;1392971924;mircea_popescu;but it doesn't even have them. 521458;1392971937;greenspan_fan;(for some values of the above) 521459;1392971950;mircea_popescu;"the valuable aspects of icecream : warmth" 521460;1392971958;mircea_popescu;"for some values of warm" 521461;1392971967;greenspan_fan;best served at 250 kelvin 521462;1392971999;greenspan_fan;there are others, but those are kind of baked in 521463;1392972012;mircea_popescu;bitcoin has terrible overhead and it is without a doubt the klunkiest, most ineffectual way to transmit payments ever devised 521464;1392972016;mircea_popescu;i nthe history of mankind. 521465;1392972023;mircea_popescu;you think that's its main value ?! 521466;1392972025;jurov;lol, like some fb derp wrote just hour ago that mtgox failure is "damaging bitcoin philosophy" 521467;1392972032;greenspan_fan;haha 521468;1392972036;mircea_popescu;jurov clearly. 521469;1392972041;jurov;i just replied what philosphy? stfu pls 521470;1392972059;mircea_popescu;oppressor. 521471;1392972067;Vexual;satoshi designed it that gox might imrove the philosophy 521472;1392972067;greenspan_fan;no, I think it's actually really elegant 521473;1392972074;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06398999 = 0.256 BTC [+] {2} 521474;1392972080;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan sure, it is really elegant, but not for those reasons. 521475;1392972123;greenspan_fan;"get off my wall with your cis-decafe-non-mtgox privilege" 521476;1392972161;Vexual;whats that when its a sentence? 521477;1392972176;greenspan_fan;10-to-life for hate crimes? 521478;1392972221;Vexual;oh 521479;1392972260;mircea_popescu;o look who's here. 521480;1392972265;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu as a means of exchange, all those things are valuable though, and most easily attacked 521481;1392972292;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan you have any kids ? 521482;1392972332;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu nope, why? 521483;1392972335;davout;bitcoin. stahp. 521484;1392972350;mircea_popescu;well, most parents have this experience. whereby angry 5 yo threatens to hold his breath to death. 521485;1392972362;mircea_popescu;first timers get really panicked about it. 521486;1392972376;mircea_popescu;sane people couldn't care less. when kid's had enough holding his breath he'll give up on it. 521487;1392972594;Vexual;how long has facebook been a thing? 521488;1392972602;mircea_popescu;~5 years. 521489;1392972605;greenspan_fan;since 2005 or so, I think 521490;1392972670;greenspan_fan;Feb 4, 2004 521491;1392972674;greenspan_fan;jesus 521492;1392972709;mircea_popescu;when it was started != when it was a thing 521493;1392972738;Vexual;i wonder how many humans it has created 521494;1392972775;greenspan_fan;I am going to say, at least 500 million 521495;1392972785;greenspan_fan;most of those were immediately pre-ipo 521496;1392972791;Vexual;i mean random dads 521497;1392972851;Vexual;it aint 500m 521498;1392972854;greenspan_fan;I wonder if they've modelled that internally? 521499;1392972869;greenspan_fan;I was thinking more "users" to inflate their statistics 521500;1392972979;mircea_popescu;was geared towards college kids originally, so prolly plenty. 521501;1392972988;Vexual;either way its prolly closer to 500m than 0 in a sense 521502;1392973445;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHGAtHc_e_0 521503;1392973495;Vexual;no more factories, but heres a tablet app 521504;1392973665;KRS-One;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDYGlDV4ldo 521505;1392973751;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Women_working_at_Douglas_Aircraft.jpg 521506;1392973755;mircea_popescu;gotta love 1940s jean cut. 521507;1392973881;Vexual;worldpop was smaller then mircea, it's all skinny jeans now 521508;1392973931;mircea_popescu;skinny jeans are okay, but not really for everyone. 521509;1392973965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16724 @ 0.00088092 = 14.7325 BTC [+] {3} 521510;1392974164;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH6ZRJlTsDY 521511;1392974216;Vexual;i ypothesise that you can't put too many ants into a colony, something normal will happen 521512;1392974248;Vexual;hormones and all 521513;1392974575;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.00469998 = 0.1457 BTC [+] {2} 521514;1392974592;Vexual;just liek these gox protesters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG4S4NpdJug 521515;1392974648;KRS-One;That was a kind of famous picture mircea_popescu 521516;1392974679;Vexual;whats that? 521517;1392974697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1794 @ 0.00087916 = 1.5772 BTC [-] 521518;1392974706;Vexual;riviting aircarft? 521519;1392974716;KRS-One;yes 521520;1392974722;*;KRS-One away Zzzzzzzzz 521521;1392974784;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uEMOeDZsA 521522;1392975322;Vexual;hey bugpowder, do yo uthink you can sell fireants with double testosterone to the ethical standards comitte? 521523;1392975383;mircea_popescu;yeah it was. 521524;1392975823;Duffer1;has there been any b-a discussion of kurzweil or singularity? 521525;1392975841;Duffer1;or trilema? 521526;1392976100;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 207 @ 0.0021795 = 0.4512 BTC [-] 521527;1392976222;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 789 @ 0.00018902 = 0.1491 BTC [-] {3} 521528;1392976223;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.0021795 = 0.9808 BTC [-] 521529;1392976726;mircea_popescu;on trilema some. 521530;1392976781;Duffer1;i have been unable to locate such 521531;1392976811;mircea_popescu;soo ukraine just defaulted ? 521532;1392976854;jurov;where? 521533;1392976939;mircea_popescu;word around the campfire. 521534;1392976969;mircea_popescu;there's a coupla bn in 2015 notes that are being written off. 521535;1392977002;*;jurov starts filling all available contaainers with natural gas 521536;1392977076;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 650 @ 0.00018 = 0.117 BTC [-] {3} 521537;1392977320;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.00017504 = 0.1225 BTC [-] {6} 521538;1392977442;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 916 @ 0.000175 = 0.1603 BTC [-] 521539;1392977808;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1172 @ 0.00017002 = 0.1993 BTC [-] {5} 521540;1392977930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00087916 = 2.7254 BTC [-] 521541;1392978052;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.1 = 0.8 BTC [-] 521542;1392978113;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [+] 521543;1392978174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5381 @ 0.00088144 = 4.743 BTC [+] 521544;1392978174;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00469994 = 0.4935 BTC [-] {4} 521545;1392978235;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00017 = 0.17 BTC [-] {4} 521546;1392978296;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [+] 521547;1392978443;mircea_popescu;jurov re blinding : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKp67SrSLlM 521548;1392978784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8145 @ 0.0008759 = 7.1342 BTC [-] {2} 521549;1392979821;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07000005 = 1.47 BTC [-] {2} 521550;1392980065;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.0047 = 0.2397 BTC [+] 521551;1392980196;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 521552;1392980197;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 575.0, Best ask: 575.79, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 576.99, 24 hour volume: 39740.40054212, 24 hour low: 530.01, 24 hour high: 604.5, 24 hour vwap: 571.791472504 521553;1392980432;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.0047 = 0.423 BTC [+] 521554;1392980471;Mallstromm;;;market sell 40000 521555;1392980472;gribble;Bitstamp | A market order to sell 40000 bitcoins right now would net 13173637.7416 USD and would take the last price down to 100.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 329.3409 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0292 seconds 521556;1392980492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00088516 = 11.5956 BTC [+] {2} 521557;1392981025;BingoBoingo;;;lasers 521558;1392981026;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 521559;1392981956;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.48100101 = 1.924 BTC [-] 521560;1392982017;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.481001 BTC [-] 521561;1392982627;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.48015143 = 3.3611 BTC [-] {2} 521562;1392983420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13494 @ 0.00087782 = 11.8453 BTC [-] {2} 521563;1392983542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3056 @ 0.00087576 = 2.6763 BTC [-] 521564;1392984518;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2553 @ 0.00087712 = 2.2393 BTC [+] 521565;1392985311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1631 @ 0.00087524 = 1.4275 BTC [-] 521566;1392985991;KRS-One; I AM SENDING 5000 EUROS TO MTGOX LADIES AND GENTLEMEN 521567;1392985998;ThickAsThieves;http://bitnode.io provides public & private p2pool nodes. 0% fee on public nodes. private nodes on inquiry. private nodes and altcoin nodes coming soon 521568;1392986047;KRS-One;He should just send the 5000 euros to me, at least I'll send him an autographed nudic pic back for his troubles. 521569;1392986082;KRS-One;;;seen ozbot 521570;1392986082;gribble;ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 hours, 26 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: Ken Shirriff's blog: How Hacker News ranking really works: scoring, controversy, and penalties 521571;1392986097;KRS-One;why 521572;1392987615;ThickAsThieves;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHVWegNfQl0#t=54 521573;1392987751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4783 @ 0.00087278 = 4.1745 BTC [-] 521574;1392988056;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06200001 = 0.124 BTC [-] 521575;1392988544;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.0029 = 1.45 BTC [-] {2} 521576;1392988788;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.061 = 0.244 BTC [-] {2} 521577;1392988849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00087204 = 0.872 BTC [-] 521578;1392989520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14189 @ 0.00087398 = 12.4009 BTC [+] {2} 521579;1392989637;ThickAsThieves;ticks are so nasty 521580;1392989813;ThickAsThieves;gmaxwell: wumpus: yea, I understand they had timed automatic reissues... :( this was also something I didn't know prior to monday before last and is one of the other reasons my "they couldn't have lost much!" position softened to "I have no freeking clue." 521581;1392989900;ThickAsThieves;;;later tell bugpowder http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2014#521580 521582;1392989900;gribble;The operation succeeded. 521583;1392989991;ThickAsThieves;from: http://pastebin.com/DaSph9uT 521584;1392990157;Mallstromm;ThickAsThieves: old news 521585;1392990396;ThickAsThieves;old news in this chan? 521586;1392990402;ThickAsThieves;if so sry 521587;1392990435;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.101 BTC [-] 521588;1392990632;davout;http://blog.bitcoin-central.net/2014/02/19/the-cloudflare-mitm/ 521589;1392990683;davout;where is ozbot? 521590;1392990923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10706 @ 0.00087537 = 9.3717 BTC [+] {2} 521591;1392990990;random_cat;.bait 521592;1392991006;jurov;davout so what do you use? 521593;1392991046;davout;jurov: i'm used to ozbot fetching the , doesn't really matter :-) 521594;1392991069;jurov;no i mean instead fo cloudflare 521595;1392991401;davout;jurov: nothing 521596;1392991412;davout;i'll have to eventually figure something out 521597;1392991455;davout;last time i got DDoS'd i set up a different IP, and sent it to customers that asked for it 521598;1392991474;davout;i think an e-mail MPEX-like API would be good 521599;1392991508;davout;i don't have a definitive answer 521600;1392991543;davout;maybe i'll end up using them if i can make sure nothing sensitive goes thru 521601;1392991567;davout;imma replace bitcoin addresses displayed on the website by gpg-signed e-mail receipts for example 521602;1392991626;jurov;you can show gpg signed output in browser, too 521603;1392991643;jurov;pity there isn't a plugin that can verify it, tho 521604;1392991694;jurov;triyng to develop it would prolly be best way to let nsa goons to identify themselves :D 521605;1392991779;jurov;https://webpg.org/?view=downloads#ext-firefox hmmm but there is something 521606;1392992012;jurov;if it is sound project, maybe everyone at #assets can push it for their projects 521607;1392992143;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.063 = 0.315 BTC [+] 521608;1392992204;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06362249 = 0.2545 BTC [+] {2} 521609;1392992215;ThickAsThieves;interesting 521610;1392992265;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06399999 = 0.128 BTC [+] 521611;1392992380;davout;jurov: the problem with showing the GPG data in browser is that said data would be generated asynchronously 521612;1392992434;jurov;you need to generate deposit addy asynchronously? 521613;1392992618;davout;the GPG-signature and address generation can't happen on the web facing servers 521614;1392992643;davout;that protects you against a compromised server too 521615;1392992667;davout;because if you work from the assumption that no frontend/app server will ever be compromised you're in for a world of pain 521616;1392992706;davout;the best way to design security is IMHO to consider that you're already compromised, at least to some extent 521617;1392992812;jurov;it can still happen elsewhere 521618;1392992939;jurov;asynchronicity by itself will not help you against frontend compromise 521619;1392993168;davout;asynchronicity is merely a consequence of "the frontend doesn't know shit about where the sensitive server is" 521620;1392993727;jurov;i don't think it's absolutely necessary consequence 521621;1392993737;jurov;it's sufficient if the sensitive server has minimal interface exposed to frontend and does not implicitly trust it 521622;1392993770;jurov;it cen even be behind proxies like mpex does and still can be pretty responsive 521623;1392993908;jurov;but what i want to discuss, if we all can force users to install gpg browser plugin 521624;1392993945;asciilifeform;gpg running automatically in a browser (or elsewhere) is questionable wisdom. 521625;1392993945;jurov;and use it to auth to the service and verify sensitive data it got back 521626;1392993975;jurov;i don't believe anything more is achievable while providing srvice to chumps 521627;1392993978;asciilifeform;verify, ok. sign/decrypt without human trigger pull - no thanks 521628;1392994001;jurov;they can then easily migrate to using cardano 521629;1392994079;asciilifeform;jurov: one of the reasons why cardano is that the host machine does not automatically know that a cryptographic widget, as such, is plugged in. 521630;1392994087;asciilifeform;only the human knows 521631;1392994106;asciilifeform;a dedicated piece of soft for talking to cardano defeats this purpose. 521632;1392994130;asciilifeform;and creates an easy target 521633;1392994241;jurov;all that is actually needed is to have ability to save to file/load from file 521634;1392994248;asciilifeform;yes 521635;1392994268;asciilifeform;but consider the question of whether an attacker can automatically determine that cardano is present and in use. 521636;1392994293;asciilifeform;if you have any dedicated software component on the pc end (e.g. browser plugin), it is a target. 521637;1392994313;asciilifeform;if, on the other hand, you merely move files onto and out of a usb drive... 521638;1392994319;davout;asciilifeform: how is 'put file on usb device, check for encrypted file magically appearing' not possible ?? 521639;1392994333;asciilifeform;davout: because it doesn't appear until the trigger is pulled 521640;1392994340;davout;aaah 521641;1392994341;davout;smart 521642;1392994354;davout;automation is overrated 521643;1392994375;asciilifeform;soviet nuke subs, it is said, have manually-cranked reactor controls. 521644;1392994386;davout;well then the attack becomes more complex 521645;1392994392;davout;think its still feasible tho 521646;1392994397;davout;put file on usb dev 521647;1392994399;davout;wait 521648;1392994400;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07147981 = 0.5004 BTC [+] {3} 521649;1392994411;davout;if at some point encrypted copy appears, user pulled the trigger 521650;1392994413;asciilifeform;not that a human, driving a pwned machine remotely, will remain permanently unaware that the victim owns a cardano 521651;1392994424;davout;however the attack is easily detectable in taht case 521652;1392994434;davout;yeah 521653;1392994440;asciilifeform;but an automatic diddler is faced with a considerably-harder problem. 521654;1392994454;davout;true 521655;1392994461;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07147989 = 0.2144 BTC [+] 521656;1392994505;jurov;how would cardano be hidden from someone watching my desktop? 521657;1392994522;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07147999 = 0.7863 BTC [+] {2} 521658;1392994530;asciilifeform;jurov: once again, a human watching, if he has a brain, may eventually figure it out 521659;1392994552;asciilifeform;but, unlike the case of a dedicated app, there is no simple mechanical test. 521660;1392994596;MisterE;http://winkdex.com/#/ 521661;1392994705;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13926 @ 0.00087097 = 12.1291 BTC [-] {3} 521662;1392994841;jurov;but i did not mean the gpg plugin to ask cardano to encrypt/sign automatically 521663;1392994886;asciilifeform;jurov: ideally, there would be nothing on the pc that suggests ownership of a cardano. 521664;1392994889;asciilifeform;at all. 521665;1392994983;jurov;then you want completely sterile machine that's booted every time from image, anyway 521666;1392995008;asciilifeform;jurov: for some applications, this makes sense. 521667;1392995537;davout;IBM was right, it's better manually 521668;1392995790;kakobrekla;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrxPuk0JefA 521669;1392996043;mike_c;mircea_popescu: i don't know what the discrepency is, but my logs disagree with that. Like I am seeing that Jan. 25th and Jan. 28th were basically down all day and I just got stock bid/asks from the market depth feed. who knows. i'll look for bugs in my poller sometime. 521670;1392996108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00087004 = 4.1762 BTC [-] {2} 521671;1392996291;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0714 = 0.1428 BTC [-] 521672;1392996881;davout;kakobrekla: haha incredible 521673;1392996894;davout;(i'm so fucking scared now to say the ama zing word) 521674;1392996921;davout;i can't believe it's not some sort of clever gopro ad 521675;1392996931;pankkake;amazing 521676;1392996935;davout;nooooooo 521677;1392996951;davout;oh wait, it is a clever go pro ad 521678;1392997120;Jere_Jones;http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/ 521679;1392997129;Jere_Jones;Damn, that was hard to find. 521680;1392997184;davout;;;google cardano snsa 521681;1392997185;gribble;S.NSA - Cardano pricing, other statements pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/snsa-cardano-pricing-other-statements>; S.NSA, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/snsa-january-2014-statement/>; S.NSA pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/snsa/> 521682;1392997250;Jere_Jones;Yeah. I didn't know the snsa part. :) 521683;1392997440;davout;:-) 521684;1392997531;Jere_Jones;Now maybe I can re-read the earlier discussion and it will make more sense. 521685;1392997633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00086986 = 4.6538 BTC [-] 521686;1392998060;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000175 = 0.175 BTC [-] {2} 521687;1392998296;davout;kakobrekla: where's the bitbet on mtgox's solvency ? 521688;1392998325;pankkake;http://bitbet.us/bet/751/mtgox-out-of-business-in-2014/ 521689;1392998426;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.062 = 0.124 BTC [-] {2} 521690;1392998427;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.101005 = 0.202 BTC [+] {2} 521691;1392998428;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2} 521692;1392998449;davout;ty 521693;1392999219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-] 521694;1392999703;diametric;http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/ 521695;1392999713;diametric;thats gonna sting 521696;1392999890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4440 @ 0.00087213 = 3.8723 BTC [+] 521697;1393000134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00087105 = 9.3638 BTC [-] 521698;1393000134;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00299997 = 0.171 BTC [+] 521699;1393000256;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00299998 = 0.12 BTC [+] 521700;1393000677;the20year2;The contract was accepted completely on the 2 houses on 1 lot :) 521701;1393001446;BingoBoingo;Sweet, Serena Williams lost, so I made money. 521702;1393001964;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.95323557 BTC to 2`431 shares, 80347 satoshi per share 521703;1393002086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00087219 = 7.7625 BTC [+] {3} 521704;1393002192;TomServo;.d 521705;1393002201;TomServo;Oh yeah. No ozzy. 521706;1393002574;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 521707;1393003178;benkay;mornin 521708;1393003672;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.020002 = 0.2 BTC [-] {4} 521709;1393003674;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07148 = 0.2144 BTC [+] 521710;1393004626;asciilifeform;from btce russian trollbox: '[gox] will end up like soviet gensec: after prolonged illness, perished unexpectedly...' 521711;1393004690;pankkake;can russians still use btc-e? 521712;1393004700;pankkake;or any exchange 521713;1393004953;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.090005 = 0.36 BTC [-] {3} 521714;1393005075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00087093 = 1.7419 BTC [-] 521715;1393005197;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00450016 = 0.108 BTC [-] {2} 521716;1393005259;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.101 BTC [-] 521717;1393005260;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 521718;1393005319;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.063 = 0.126 BTC [+] {2} 521719;1393005686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00087029 = 7.441 BTC [-] {2} 521720;1393005930;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.101 BTC [-] 521721;1393005931;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 521722;1393006140;benkay;http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1b9iyl/my_friend_foolishly_let_me_ssh_into_his_account/c95chhf 521723;1393006234;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00449094 = 0.1886 BTC [-] {3} 521724;1393006295;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00430232 = 0.185 BTC [-] {2} 521725;1393006417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00086941 = 10.0417 BTC [-] {2} 521726;1393006774;nubbins`;tourette hooker neighbour is locked out of house 521727;1393006782;nubbins`;idly considering calling police to report break-in in progress 521728;1393006964;ThickAsThieves;lol 521729;1393006979;ThickAsThieves;what is it with women not saying what theu mean all the time 521730;1393007346;benkay;do it nubbins` 521731;1393007404;ThickAsThieves;"i was going to ask you to write a check for the floor guy, but he's leaving now" "ok, but he's here now, i can write a check now, right?" "he's leaving now" "so write a check for him now?" "yes, that's what i said." 521732;1393007439;ThickAsThieves;pretty much all wife-to-husband communication 521733;1393007611;mike_c;hah. i have had that exact conversation recently. 521734;1393007646;*;benkay gives ThickAsThieves a katana. it is enchanted +5 specifically for cutting through female chatter. 521735;1393007710;ThickAsThieves;it works in reverse too, like when you say something that's seems painfully clear, it gets interpreted as the much less likely but arguable possible version 521736;1393007724;ThickAsThieves;arguably* 521737;1393007802;ThickAsThieves;"I don't want french fries." "Oh you already ate?" 521738;1393007805;ThickAsThieves;and such 521739;1393007881;ThickAsThieves;everything must mean something more, i guess 521740;1393007916;benkay;if you let it 521741;1393007917;benkay;"dear, the simplest interpretation is the one you're looking for." 521742;1393007942;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.071 = 0.71 BTC [-] 521743;1393008038;benkay;no, i just don't want any french fries. 521744;1393008072;benkay;vigilance against being disposed of? 521745;1393008072;ThickAsThieves;but are you hungry?! 521746;1393008085;ThickAsThieves;hehe 521747;1393008226;benkay;;;calc 40*4/2 521748;1393008226;gribble;80 521749;1393008229;benkay;80 521750;1393008254;nubbins`;dealing with this client who runs a hot yoga studio 521751;1393008270;nubbins`;she said she'd be by last night at 7:30 to pick up her order 521752;1393008293;nubbins`;i waited til 9:45, unil "sorry i forgot!" 521753;1393008317;nubbins`;today: "i'll pick them up at 2pm". 2:45: "i'll be there soon." 3:00: "can i pick them up at 4?" 521754;1393008339;ThickAsThieves;"you can pick them up whenever i'm here" 521755;1393008341;nubbins`;because hey, everyone is a robot but her and she's the only person whose time is valuable 521756;1393008360;nubbins`;if she's not here by 4:00pm exactly, i am literally not answering the door when she arrives 521757;1393008369;ThickAsThieves;at some point i stopped allowing pickups 521758;1393008372;nubbins`;nod 521759;1393008382;ThickAsThieves;all prices included shipping costs 521760;1393008386;ThickAsThieves;FREE shipping! 521761;1393008390;nubbins`;heh 521762;1393008447;nubbins`;she wanted organic racerback-style tank tops. such a thing does not exist. the closest we could find was tanks with 6.25% organic cotton 521763;1393008473;nubbins`;so instead of getting regular cotton tanks shipped from the next province over, we order 6.25% organic tanks shipped from the exact opposide end of the continent 521764;1393008477;nubbins`;because, y'know, eco-friendly 521765;1393008500;nubbins`;idly considered buying regular cotton tank tops and sewing a 1" organic cotton seam on the bottom 521766;1393008510;nubbins`;round it up to an even 10% organic 521767;1393008541;nubbins`;honestly, given the choice between being "eco-friendly" and giving the appearance of it while being the opposite 521768;1393008551;nubbins`;people almost invariably choose the appearance 521769;1393008556;ThickAsThieves;just rip all tags out always and imprint your own branding 521770;1393008563;ThickAsThieves;builds customer "loyalty" 521771;1393008575;nubbins`;have idly considered this, but sizing 521772;1393008591;nubbins`;next thing you've got 4 screens, one for each size S-XL 521773;1393008645;nubbins`;might do it anyway tho, we use these nice shirts now that have easy-tear tags 521774;1393008695;ThickAsThieves;is tagging legally required at all? 521775;1393008709;ThickAsThieves;i suppose people have allergies? 521776;1393008732;nubbins`;country of origin and care instructions are mandatory 521777;1393008744;nubbins`;not sure about materials, but probably 521778;1393008759;nubbins`;some brands have two tags: a brand tag and a care/materials tag 521779;1393009711;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4360 @ 0.00087314 = 3.8069 BTC [+] 521780;1393009955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00087396 = 12.4102 BTC [+] 521781;1393010159;kakobrekla;http://radiostudent.si/sites/default/files/styles/thumbnail_w530/public/slike/2014-02-21-napihovanje-temelji-juna%C5%A1kih-src-slovenskih-olimpijcev-24165.jpg?itok=I8pyq9aF 521782;1393010177;kakobrekla;is true. 521783;1393010811;nubbins`;she showed up with SIX MINUTES to spare 521784;1393010818;nubbins`;and of course she arrived in a smart car 521785;1393010826;nubbins`;groan 521786;1393010857;dub;is she fat? 521787;1393010901;nubbins`;no, she runs a yoga studio 521788;1393010992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2827 @ 0.00087235 = 2.4661 BTC [-] {2} 521789;1393011020;dub;both yoga instructors I've had were a bit chunky, havent done bikram though 521790;1393011146;kakobrekla;did you do yoga or did you do the instructors? 521791;1393011170;dub;the yoga 521792;1393011356;greenspan_fan;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/harvard-supercomputing-cluster-hijacked-to-produce-alt-cryptocurrency/ 521793;1393011357;dub;i did an aerobics instructor if that helps 521794;1393011373;nubbins`;helps what? :D 521795;1393011513;KRS-One;she must have had a nice bod 521796;1393011522;KRS-One;;;seen ozbot 521797;1393011545;greenspan_fan;it's funny, because I was thinking of using a supercomputer to mine dogecoin, but decided not to because the idea was idiotic on many levels 521798;1393011565;asciilifeform;botnet is cheaper 521799;1393011570;KRS-One;When the hell is he getting back here with my porn 521800;1393011570;asciilifeform;and expandable. 521801;1393011599;greenspan_fan;but I don't have l33t hacker skillz 521802;1393011615;KRS-One;all u have to do is write some gay malware 521803;1393011638;greenspan_fan;It's not for me. I've seen that movie w/ keanu reeves. I don't even know kung fu. 521804;1393011656;asciilifeform;most crapnet artists have no l33t sk1llz 521805;1393011672;asciilifeform;they just buy a ride from professional spammers 521806;1393011710;greenspan_fan;enh. just doesn't seem like a good thing to get involved with 521807;1393011739;asciilifeform;neither is mooching cpu cycles from employer 521808;1393011751;greenspan_fan;who said I'm employed? 521809;1393011764;asciilifeform;well, from whoever 521810;1393011787;asciilifeform;but if you're hijacking something, why not a supercomputer. 'might as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb.' 521811;1393011819;greenspan_fan;I think it would be a good story to tell in prison 521812;1393011828;asciilifeform;'whatcha in for? doge' 521813;1393011841;greenspan_fan;"wow" 521814;1393011846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00086936 = 9.7368 BTC [-] 521815;1393011894;nubbins`;such time 521816;1393011896;nubbins`;many soap 521817;1393011975;asciilifeform;several places have massive fpga clusters, hijack those. 521818;1393011982;asciilifeform;not intel crap 521819;1393011994;nubbins`;fuck that, hijack a train 521820;1393012523;greenspan_fan;interestingly, you might be able to hijack a shipment of fpgas or asics, which would make for the nerdiest heist movie in history 521821;1393012612;twizt;eh 521822;1393012619;AndrewWhatsUpppp;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tONLDwGK1Qc 521823;1393012625;jborkl;Anyone want to buy Google Glass for BTC- I have not ordered them yet so you can pick out color style 521824;1393012669;twizt;when u want something done u gotta do it urself -_- 521825;1393013371;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00086936 = 2.8689 BTC [-] 521826;1393013737;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.48143704 = 1.4443 BTC [+] {3} 521827;1393013981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19770 @ 0.00086934 = 17.1869 BTC [-] {2} 521828;1393014530;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1023 = 0.2046 BTC [+] {2} 521829;1393014532;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 521830;1393015201;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 100 @ 0.0034 = 0.34 BTC [+] 521831;1393015750;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0625 = 0.25 BTC [+] {4} 521832;1393015751;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10136666 = 0.3041 BTC [-] {3} 521833;1393015752;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] {3} 521834;1393015787;ThickAsThieves;http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/02/21/280730201/enterprising-girl-scout-sells-cookies-outside-marijuana-clinic?utm_content=socialflow&utm_campaign=nprfacebook&utm_source=npr&utm_medium=facebook 521835;1393016421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00086801 = 5.9893 BTC [-] {2} 521836;1393016787;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00086795 = 5.0341 BTC [-] 521837;1393017275;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10239999 BTC [+] 521838;1393017763;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC 521839;1393017946;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.08499999 = 0.85 BTC [-] {2} 521840;1393018253;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/teksavvy-ordered-to-id-alleged-movie-downloaders-1.2546477 521841;1393018272;nubbins`;"[Judge] Aalto ordered that before Voltage can send a letter to the alleged downloaders, it must return to court to get the wording of its communications cleared by a case management judge." 521842;1393018294;nubbins`;"In order to ensure there is no inappropriate language in any demand letter sent to the alleged infringers, the draft demand letter will be provided to the court for review," Aalto wrote. "Any correspondence sent by Voltage to any subscriber shall clearly state in bold type that no court has yet made a determination that such subscriber has infringed or is liable in any way for payment of damages." 521843;1393018495;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 43 @ 0.07148 = 3.0736 BTC [+] 521844;1393018548;ll_;hopefully that will slow infringement trolling in .ca 521845;1393018610;mike_c;paging eulora support. any suggestions on investigating seg fault on launch? http://pastebin.com/pr0rpyfp 521846;1393018739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2169 @ 0.00017301 = 0.3753 BTC [-] 521847;1393018861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1024 = 0.2048 BTC [+] {2} 521848;1393018863;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 521849;1393018923;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1024 BTC [+] 521850;1393018924;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 521851;1393019179;mike_c;nubbins` did you ever get this thing building/running? 521852;1393019410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00086904 = 20.6397 BTC [+] {2} 521853;1393019410;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 130 @ 0.0055 = 0.715 BTC 521854;1393019487;nubbins`;mike_c: haven't had much time to look at it the past few days. having some issues getting crystalspace up and running 521855;1393019551;nubbins`;did you examine the xml file listed? 521856;1393019943;mike_c;i did. a large config file for the updater. 521857;1393019959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00086942 = 5.4773 BTC [+] {2} 521858;1393020019;nubbins`;wanna pastebin it? 521859;1393020035;mike_c;btw, i downloaded cs from bundle 1, set CRYSTAL and LD_LIBRARY_PATH env variables, and it found it 521860;1393020045;mike_c;obviously i don't have the game working though. 521861;1393020098;mike_c;i can pastebin it, but i don't believe it is modified from the download bundle (if you have that) 521862;1393020225;nubbins`;i'm compiling CS from the latest snapshot 521863;1393020230;nubbins`;not going too great so far :D 521864;1393020342;nubbins`;ah, that xml file is actually pretty small 521865;1393020355;nubbins`;yeah, not much in the way of clues there from what you've posted 521866;1393020407;mike_c;yeah, maybe something with the audio issues they've been having and my sound drivers 521867;1393020442;nubbins`;they did mention audio was borked, didn't think it was a breaking problem tho 521868;1393020459;mike_c;nor did i. 521869;1393020475;mike_c;but those DEBUG lines are supiscious 521870;1393020512;benkay;how ams even software, guys? 521871;1393020515;benkay;and ladies of course 521872;1393020996;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07234644 = 1.0852 BTC [+] {5} 521873;1393021025;nubbins`;benkay: barely :D 521874;1393021133;benkay;barely software? 521875;1393021136;benkay;nubbins`: ^^ 521876;1393021138;*;nubbins` nods 521877;1393021139;nubbins`;D: 521878;1393021160;nubbins`;...failed updating 315 target(s)... ...skipped 306 target(s)... ...updated 715 target(s)... 521879;1393021163;nubbins`;NOT BAD 521880;1393021256;benkay;many software 521881;1393021259;benkay;much barely 521882;1393021262;benkay;so deploy 521883;1393021266;benkay;wow 521884;1393021306;nubbins`;targets plz, no update 521885;1393021690;pankkake;http://blog.cassidiancybersecurity.com/post/2014/02/Bitcrypt-broken that's why bitcoin is down! 521886;1393021911;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00018829 = 0.2824 BTC [+] {6} 521887;1393022062;diametric;pankkake: https://blockchain.info/address/1HKCHx1RFhNHuF3NxLviHdrjNFzJbCTvrC 521888;1393022072;diametric;looks like some suckers paid up 521889;1393022216;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1029998 BTC [+] 521890;1393023253;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1300 @ 0.00017226 = 0.2239 BTC [-] {4} 521891;1393023314;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3238 @ 0.00017101 = 0.5537 BTC [-] {5} 521892;1393023375;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2040 @ 0.00017006 = 0.3469 BTC [-] {3} 521893;1393023436;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1443 @ 0.00017006 = 0.2454 BTC [-] {3} 521894;1393023497;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 909 @ 0.00017007 = 0.1546 BTC [+] {3} 521895;1393023619;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07100202 = 0.71 BTC [-] {2} 521896;1393023969;asciilifeform;re: ransomware: '90s virii simply formatted your disk. how exactly is this any worse? 521897;1393023985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00087023 = 7.7015 BTC [+] {2} 521898;1393024019;asciilifeform;esp. since it is possible to refuse VirusOS today - vs. then 521899;1393024116;pankkake;;;view 19807 521900;1393024118;gribble;#19807 Fri Feb 21 18:04:10 2014 sorjef SELL 12.0 GOXBTC @ 0.4 btc ((Would like to sell my gox btc. Hurry up! Since this is my first trade here will send money first if you have a good rating, if you're newbie like me escrow is needed.. Thanks a lot!)) 521901;1393024122;pankkake;this is hardcore 521902;1393024180;asciilifeform;426 bit rsa key, lol 521903;1393024354;Apocalyptic;pankkake, i've seen worse 521904;1393024360;Apocalyptic;50 goxBTC for 1 BTC 521905;1393024474;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 236 @ 0.0055 = 1.298 BTC 521906;1393024595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00086795 = 7.0304 BTC [-] 521907;1393024778;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 133 @ 0.00299999 = 0.399 BTC [+] {2} 521908;1393025083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00086754 = 15.3555 BTC [-] {4} 521909;1393025084;mircea_popescu;mike_c weird, wild stuff. 521910;1393025205;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-] 521911;1393025309;mircea_popescu;@Mircea_Popescu This is like saying "behind every nigger is stupidity" @ligayaya "Behind every troll is pain." Community wisdom @nrrrdcore #PassionProjects 521912;1393025309;mircea_popescu;@ligayaya @Mircea_Popescu @nrrrdcore actually, I don't think it is. at all. 521913;1393025309;mircea_popescu;@Mircea_Popescu @ligayaya @nrrrdcore Of course you don't think so. Oppressors honestly think they're just being nice. 521914;1393025310;mircea_popescu;win ? 521915;1393025311;mircea_popescu;win. 521916;1393025428;mircea_popescu;mike_c i passed teh thing along. 521917;1393025439;mike_c;crash report? thanks. 521918;1393025521;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform remember Stoned B ? 521919;1393025532;asciilifeform;sure! 521920;1393025533;mircea_popescu;mike_c o no no, ty. 521921;1393025547;mircea_popescu;we had a number of segfaults which were ironed out, curious if yours is a new brand or some edge case. 521922;1393025565;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it was such a problem where i lived by 1992ish i was able to spot it with diskedit 521923;1393025693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1065 @ 0.00082809 = 0.8819 BTC [-] 521924;1393025769;mircea_popescu;jesus twitter is unbearable. 521925;1393025786;mircea_popescu;how did all these schmucks end up so persuaded of their own importance anyway 521926;1393025797;wao-ender;v0v, mp in one line with nrrrdcore 521927;1393025805;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in case you missed, beautiful turd: http://www.securelist.com/en/analysis/204792325/Absolute_Computrace_Revisited 521928;1393025813;mircea_popescu;wao-ender who's that, you know em ? 521929;1393025829;wao-ender;mircea_popescu: some lady around github 521930;1393025832;asciilifeform;(tldr version: 'useful' bios rootkit enabled by default on some boxes) 521931;1393025835;mircea_popescu;oic. 521932;1393025851;mircea_popescu;"This report is a return to the problem of security mechanisms implemented in modern anti-theft technologies that reside in firmware and PC BIOS of commonly used laptops and some desktop computers." 521933;1393025862;mircea_popescu;best abstract ever. tyvm whoever wrote this, now i know. 521934;1393025869;pankkake;because twitter caters to that kind of thing, everything in it prevent actual discussion 521935;1393025887;asciilifeform;i actually sat on a jury some years ago in a case where 'computrace' was the evidence. 521936;1393025892;mircea_popescu;pankkake yeah i think you may be right, there is something to this sculpting communities theory. 521937;1393025937;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06112499 = 0.2445 BTC [+] {3} 521938;1393025951;asciilifeform;the turd is unremarkable; quite like the usual winblows rootkit, except for the fact of 1) ships in stock bios on most x86 laptops and 2) c&c servers eschew authentication or crypto (!) 521939;1393025961;mircea_popescu;so has mtgox delivered asics yet ? 521940;1393025967;mircea_popescu;is bfl making payments ? 521941;1393026059;wao-ender;and nrrrdcore is part of ladies of github afaik 521942;1393026108;mircea_popescu;wao-ender ok but did she actually do something ? 521943;1393026137;mircea_popescu;or is it more like "ladies of wallstreet" consisting of the barristas and hooters waitresses ? 521944;1393026172;wao-ender;what I remember, she leads some groups, like ladies who codes and like that 521945;1393026184;pankkake;but does she code? 521946;1393026204;wao-ender;I had it on radar like in september or so, but I'm not that social-freak 521947;1393026208;mircea_popescu;"leads groups" derp 521948;1393026213;wao-ender;well 521949;1393026220;wao-ender;yeah, taking social credit for that 521950;1393026228;mircea_popescu;if you ask him, max keiser leads groups doing bitcoin stuff. 521951;1393026235;wao-ender;paying in followers on tweeters. "look what I've done" 521952;1393026248;mircea_popescu;is she a transsexual too ? 521953;1393026259;wao-ender;does she looks like that? I dont think so 521954;1393026264;wao-ender;but she acts like feminist for me 521955;1393026273;mircea_popescu;so basically a kate woods wannabe. 521956;1393026355;asciilifeform;who's woods? 521957;1393026391;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/the-stuple/ 521958;1393026398;mircea_popescu;that thing. 521959;1393026402;asciilifeform;aha 521960;1393026494;asciilifeform;(no mention of anyone called woods in that piece...?) 521961;1393026838;pankkake;http://trilema.com/2014/on-periphery-and-the-peripheral-ephemerides-are-also-mentioned/ perhaps 521962;1393026894;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's this craig woods character which became kate, and had been running all sorts of projects and whatnot 521963;1393026897;mircea_popescu;such as the one discussed there. 521964;1393026909;asciilifeform;wendy carlos. 521965;1393026912;mircea_popescu;very important leader of imaginary cavalries. 521966;1393026936;asciilifeform;(better example: lynne conway) 521967;1393026948;mircea_popescu;yes well, that'd be different 521968;1393027040;mircea_popescu;(l conway is actually quoted by name as the reason i can't quite declare transsexualism out of this world, in my article about transsexualism) 521969;1393027063;asciilifeform;interesting book on the subject - 'the man who would be queen' 521970;1393027069;asciilifeform;conway became the personal nemesis of the author 521971;1393027073;asciilifeform;(whose name escapes me) 521972;1393027077;mircea_popescu;but i would propose there is a difference between the people who have a problem with their gender, 521973;1393027083;mircea_popescu;and the people who have a problem with their fame. 521974;1393027218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00086647 = 13.127 BTC [-] {3} 521975;1393028072;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.485 BTC [+] 521976;1393028133;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.481 BTC [-] 521977;1393028194;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.48011113 = 0.9602 BTC [-] 521978;1393028401;mircea_popescu;"Alienation of Affections and Criminal Conversation lawsuits are allowed in North Carolina to preserve the sanctity of marriage and the institution of the family. It is estimated that over 200 alienation of affection cases are filed in North Carolina each year." 521979;1393028425;mircea_popescu;such legal. 521980;1393028621;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [+] 521981;1393028743;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18272 @ 0.00086576 = 15.8192 BTC [-] {3} 521982;1393030024;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.0055 = 0.1265 BTC 521983;1393030329;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48012 BTC [-] 521984;1393030516;benkay;!t h rent 521985;1393030517;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (551 shares, 3.03050000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (4376 shares, 24.06800000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (35395 shares, 194.67250000 BTC) 521986;1393030539;asciilifeform;from dept. of lol: http://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/index.html 521987;1393030545;mircea_popescu;benkay you doing a research project ? 521988;1393030573;mircea_popescu;ahaha it just occured to me... do the utah nsa people wear special blessed underwear ? 521989;1393030584;asciilifeform;with barcodes! 521990;1393030595;asciilifeform;(seriously. mormon church issues them under signature.) 521991;1393030656;mircea_popescu;yup 521992;1393030664;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform listen maybe im geometrically challenged, but! 521993;1393030686;mircea_popescu;the silo + 9 tanks 1st picture is not contradicted by the silo + 9 tanks last picture in that scroll ? 521994;1393030695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.0008685 = 16.0238 BTC [+] {2} 521995;1393030696;mircea_popescu;it would seem to me it's not possible for both snaps to represent the same solid. 521996;1393030710;wao-ender;"for the good of the Nation" 521997;1393030730;benkay;mircea_popescu yeah on state machines ;) 521998;1393030745;mircea_popescu;hehe 521999;1393030868;asciilifeform;http://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/photos/2014/utah-data-center-2014.jpg vs http://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/photos/2014/nsa-utah-spy-center-2014.jpg ? 522000;1393030919;mircea_popescu;aye 522001;1393031003;asciilifeform;3d drawing. 522002;1393031060;mircea_popescu;i guess it must be ? 522003;1393031076;asciilifeform;http://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/aerial-utah-data-center.jpg 522004;1393031078;mircea_popescu;maybe someone just flipped a pic for obscure reasons 522005;1393031082;asciilifeform;quite a few of these are works of art. 522006;1393031164;mircea_popescu;. Recently, our classified NSA Oak Ridge facility made a stunning breakthrough that is leading us on a path towards building the first exaflop machine (1 quintillion instructions per second) by 2018. This will give us the capability to break the AES-128 encryption key 522007;1393031191;asciilifeform;more from this lulzatron: http://whitehouse.gov1.info/tunnel/index.html 522008;1393031195;mircea_popescu;i thought aes-128 worked on integers ? 522009;1393031216;asciilifeform;certainly. 522010;1393031232;asciilifeform;author is a parodist, not a cryptographer. 522011;1393031237;mircea_popescu;also afaik aes-128 is something to the tune of 10^40 ? 522012;1393031246;mircea_popescu;in which case exaflop is not particularly useful in any sense 522013;1393031251;asciilifeform;quite. 522014;1393031264;mircea_popescu;so author is a journalist, we could say. 522015;1393031305;Apocalyptic;<mircea_popescu> also afaik aes-128 is something to the tune of 10^40 ? // what do you mean ? 522016;1393031315;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic tries needed to bruteforce. 522017;1393031349;Apocalyptic;hum, thought it would be higher 522018;1393031354;mircea_popescu;notrly. 522019;1393031369;mircea_popescu;i think they have aes-256 nao tho 522020;1393031386;mircea_popescu;which is ~double. ie 80ish 522021;1393031418;asciilifeform;log10(2^128) ~= 38.53 522022;1393031420;asciilifeform;there ya go 522023;1393031427;mircea_popescu;o hey 522024;1393031428;asciilifeform;no deep science here. 522025;1393031435;mircea_popescu;i got pretty close in head! 522026;1393031487;asciilifeform;i thought it was strange that your first thought was in base-10... 522027;1393031511;mircea_popescu;im a phb not a tech see. i think in practically useful terms :D 522028;1393031530;asciilifeform;wonder if ibm still builds base-10 machines. 522029;1393031535;asciilifeform;(BCD!) 522030;1393031540;Apocalyptic;<asciilifeform> i thought it was strange that your first thought was in base-10... // that's what confused me yeah 522031;1393031565;mircea_popescu;now let's do it in inches. 522032;1393031583;asciilifeform;'this jallopy gets xx furlongs per hog's head...' 522033;1393031633;asciilifeform;found original, http://makeameme.org/media/created/my-car-gets.jpg 522034;1393031915;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00299999 = 0.75 BTC [+] {2} 522035;1393032071;MisterE;When will it test 500 already? Waaah 522036;1393032342;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000198 = 0.198 BTC [-] 522037;1393032378;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw if it wasn;t obvious, base 10 because of the exaflops. 522038;1393032405;mircea_popescu;MisterE you know there's a lot of people with no bitcoins because they decided they will buy if it goes under X and it never did. 522039;1393032409;mircea_popescu;where x starts as low as 2. 522040;1393032453;MisterE;mircea_popescu: I'm a minnow though 522041;1393032471;mircea_popescu;no contest. 522042;1393032481;MisterE;I personally feel like interest in LTC is waning 522043;1393032493;MisterE;hasrate has not been stable 522044;1393032496;MisterE;what d you think? 522045;1393032502;Apocalyptic;people fled to doge 522046;1393032537;mircea_popescu;hashrate is a poor indication of interest. 522047;1393032539;MisterE;yea I was banned from #bitcoin the day doge launched for saying "it will be disruptive" 522048;1393032583;MisterE;falling hashrate is a really bad thing for your currency though 522049;1393032595;kakobrekla;did ya mean disturbing instead disruptive? 522050;1393032598;MisterE;it's like when the sex goes in a relationship, the writing on the wall 522051;1393032707;Apocalyptic;.d 522052;1393032726;mircea_popescu;MisterE hashrate fell for bitcoin on multiple occasions. 522053;1393032730;mircea_popescu;no ill effects were recorded 522054;1393032739;MisterE;oh ok 522055;1393032749;mircea_popescu;tho one could fill a hard-drive with the drivel of the various speculators who knew shit on the topic at the time(s) 522056;1393032749;MisterE;thought it was a straight march up 522057;1393032758;mircea_popescu;only recently. 522058;1393032773;benkay;ultimately we come back to the personal responsibility thing 522059;1393032801;MisterE;benkay: I'm American you'll need to explain that to me 522060;1393032815;MisterE;what is this responsibility thing you speak of? 522061;1393032910;MisterE;mircea_popescu: I'm not waiting to get in at 500 I'm wanting to see if support at 500 is broken how low it can go 522062;1393032933;mircea_popescu;not that low. 522063;1393033521;kakobrekla;kinda funnie: 522064;1393033522;kakobrekla;-- 522065;1393033523;kakobrekla;So a "serious" exchange only offers "serious" coins? By what criteria does a coin count as serious? The answer to this question is bound to be controversial, but note that dogecoin has: 522066;1393033523;kakobrekla;Massive userbase 522067;1393033523;kakobrekla;65k+ subscribers on reddit 522068;1393033530;kakobrekla;Hashrate rivaling that of litecoin 522069;1393033530;kakobrekla;Trade volume rivaling that of litecoin 522070;1393033530;kakobrekla;Whatever may be said against dogecoin, the fact is that it has gained traction very rapidly and become a very serious coin for trading. Why wouldn't a serious exchange want to offer it? We are after all in the trading business. 522071;1393033531;kakobrekla;-- 522072;1393033554;mircea_popescu;o look it has views! 522073;1393033557;mircea_popescu;serious views! 522074;1393033561;kakobrekla;lel 522075;1393033582;pankkake;it had more real usage than litecoin ever did 522076;1393033586;mircea_popescu;the reason a serious exchange does not want to offer a scam is contained in the expression "serious exchange" 522077;1393033593;pankkake;the mistake is to take litecoin as "serious" 522078;1393033601;mircea_popescu;otherwise the arguments presented could have been presented by any scam to date, and in fact were so presented 522079;1393033611;mircea_popescu;starting with the "forum bankers" listing pirate "securities" on glbse 522080;1393033678;kakobrekla;supporting altcoins just gives you a lot more low net worth retards to deal with 522081;1393033700;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/TheBestOfAmazon << 522082;1393033702;kakobrekla;they will suffer. 522083;1393033708;mircea_popescu;check it out. doge is almost bigger than amazon. 522084;1393033750;pankkake;which is the exchange in question? 522085;1393033766;kakobrekla;seriously you need to ask? :D 522086;1393033786;Duffer1;is it that vault of satoshi thing the redditers are talking about? 522087;1393033793;kakobrekla;meh 522088;1393033795;kakobrekla;its kraken 522089;1393033807;kakobrekla;they brought forex to bitcoin or something remember 522090;1393033810;mircea_popescu;kraken is semi-serious. 522091;1393033822;pankkake;they have xrp, they have ven… doge is more serious already 522092;1393033827;mircea_popescu;like that famous actress, semi moore. 522093;1393034416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00087086 = 11.147 BTC [+] {2} 522094;1393034493;B007;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/harvard-supercomputing-cluster-hijacked-to-produce-alt-cryptocurrency/ 522095;1393034551;the20year1;lol 522096;1393034747;mircea_popescu;pankkake http://trilema.com/2014/in-defense-of-the-troll/ 522097;1393034750;mircea_popescu;hugs and kisses. 522098;1393034852;pankkake;:) 522099;1393035588;BingoBoingo;I really need to start paying more attention to MMA matchups. There's a decent fight tomorrow and I totally missed the chance to submit a Bitbet. 522100;1393035604;mircea_popescu;aww 522101;1393035766;BingoBoingo;Great upset potential as well, would have been a great bet to take both sides on. 522102;1393035949;BingoBoingo;http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1966743-ufc-170-rousey-vs-mcmann-fight-card-betting-odds-and-predictions 522103;1393036352;benkay;some days i wonder if learning how to gamble effectively is +ev or not... 522104;1393036379;the20year1;donno 522105;1393036391;the20year1;I'm happy with learning startups :D 522106;1393036431;pankkake;by definition it should be, otherwise it isn't effective? 522107;1393036535;benkay;you're a landlord, not a startup. 522108;1393036538;BingoBoingo;benkay: It's less learning how to gamble and more trying to spot pricing errors and finding patterns. One pattern I have found profitable is if betting against Serena Williams would multiply your bet by 12 or less in a certain match, there's prolly a fuckton of money to be had. 522109;1393036659;benkay;i just doubt i'd do much better than stochastic bouncing around, pankkake - much like gamblers or traders. up one day, down the next; cognitively biased against tracking returns etc. it's a goddamn emotional shitshow is what it is. 522110;1393036708;pankkake;well, I guess it depends on the gamble. I'd agree that most things gamblers and traders think as skill isn't 522111;1393036728;BingoBoingo;Definitely. 522112;1393036748;BingoBoingo;Patience is the game. 522113;1393036781;BingoBoingo;Wait for lines that don't seem priced right, still lose a lot and hope EV come. 522114;1393036843;pankkake;I'll just bitbet for the lulz 522115;1393036864;the20year1;landlords can startup too :) 522116;1393036870;pankkake;maybe one of my submitted bets will actually turn out to be the crazy option :) 522117;1393036922;the20year1;don't you have to back your bets? 522118;1393037121;pankkake;not necessarily, you get the unlikely house bet to your name 522119;1393037127;BingoBoingo;Bitbet is the best betting platform. 522120;1393037140;pankkake;I didn't know that when I started creating bets though! 522121;1393037149;pankkake;there's a good mpoe-pr post about it 522122;1393037167;BingoBoingo;Also a few trilema articles. 522123;1393037527;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 50 @ 0.00339999 = 0.17 BTC [-] 522124;1393038335;asciilifeform;http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=qfrswb8k5mwp&style=b&lvl=2&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=22932432&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1 522125;1393038336;ozbot;Bing Maps - Driving Directions, Traffic and Road Conditions 522126;1393038348;asciilifeform;(gulag!) 522127;1393038844;bitcoinpete;Right, howdy 522128;1393038909;bitcoinpete;So I finally started a bitcoin blog 522129;1393038915;bitcoinpete;Seemed like the thing to do 522130;1393038923;mircea_popescu;heya bitcoinpete 522131;1393038934;mircea_popescu;is it any good ? 522132;1393038942;bitcoinpete;Couldn't say 522133;1393038950;bitcoinpete;It only has one post 522134;1393039065;bitcoinpete;The single post, hot off the press, is quite relevant to #bitcoin-assets, or at least referenced 522135;1393039070;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/ 522136;1393039071;ozbot;When Bitcoin Met Pete 522137;1393039262;Duffer1;" I can’t separate out the signal when there’s that much noise." i had that exact conclusion a couple months ago 522138;1393039291;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: I think you've got your Middle America metaphore flipped around. Buffet chooses Omaha for a reason. 522139;1393039348;mircea_popescu;that scary moment when you google a word that you know means ho and you discover that as far as google knows, the only instances it was ever used are on your blog. 522140;1393039434;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Good writeup though. 522141;1393039435;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete "at the alters " < altars. 522142;1393039693;bitcoinpete;Thanks gang 522143;1393039705;bitcoinpete;Gotta go entertain some house guests 522144;1393039707;mircea_popescu;hahaha look at that, someone likes us. 522145;1393039708;bitcoinpete;I'll be around 522146;1393039714;kakobrekla;impossibru 522147;1393039714;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla you've broken it nao. 522148;1393039720;kakobrekla;broked 522149;1393039725;kakobrekla;de-leeteing 522150;1393039733;mircea_popescu;pls to beleete kthx 522151;1393039782;kakobrekla;lets see some more posts before we conclude this is not trolling! 522152;1393039808;mircea_popescu;let us conclude this is not trolling now and then be butthurt later 522153;1393039812;mircea_popescu;thus driving btc price up 522154;1393039862;kakobrekla;imma get some buttcoins if we plan to get butthurt 522155;1393039974;lnovy;there's a goxcoin now... and I'm hodling that... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=481185.0 522156;1393039987;mircea_popescu;come to think of it : buttecoin. proof of work ? collapsed buttes. 522157;1393040021;mircea_popescu;http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/roads/2014/02/argentina_s_black_market_for_hard_cash_buenos_aires_deliverymen_will_bring.html << money delivery. 522158;1393040021;ozbot;Argentina’s black market for hard cash: Buenos Aires deliverymen will bring the currency you need. 522159;1393040087;mircea_popescu;"[ANN][GOX] GoxCoin - 0 coins per block" 522160;1393040091;mircea_popescu;lol pretty good. 522161;1393040189;taub;haha 522162;1393040201;taub;whats the latest update with gox? 522163;1393040206;taub;no coins or fiat out? 522164;1393040211;mircea_popescu;to the moon moon moon 522165;1393040212;lnovy;like every year... 522166;1393040223;lnovy;fixed soon™ 522167;1393040236;BingoBoingo;What's the prevailing market rate for Buttcoins nao? 25 Gox BTC or 0.035 BTC sound right (price adjusted upward because writing implements are overdone, into the future buttchugging hotsauce is the new standard) 522168;1393040355;taub;n[3mD▒ 522169;1393040360;taub;whops 522170;1393040443;taub;bitstamp i'd say 522171;1393040454;kakobrekla;BingoBoingo lets wait for some beggars to come in and try to get a quote 522172;1393040489;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Sure. I've got coin from Betting against Serena to devote to some lols. 522173;1393040508;kakobrekla;hehe 522174;1393040573;pankkake;http://www.coinion.com/2014/02/21/mtgox-drop-bitcoin-start-trading-game-cards/ 522175;1393040578;BingoBoingo;I know mircea_popescu suggested peppers, but with skin intact, much of the entertainment isn't going to leave the pepper. 522176;1393040631;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you know, the asshole is the strongest dessicant known on earth. 522177;1393040675;BingoBoingo;Of course. It is why you need a good oil based lube. KY just dries too fast. 522178;1393040699;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1001 BTC [-] 522179;1393040717;mircea_popescu;then again capsein is liposoluble isnt it 522180;1393040738;BingoBoingo;It is, that is why it makes such an effective irritant. 522181;1393040756;mircea_popescu;right. well... i guess you'll have to peel the peppers. 522182;1393040880;KRS-One;what do you think of the sphincter as a hole? 522183;1393040885;KRS-One;.bait 522184;1393040887;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxzhq5zFCA1qiyg3so1_500.jpg 522185;1393040894;BingoBoingo;That, might be more painful than the sauce, because liquid is going to stimulate a bowel movement in short order. Probably before they can get a picture. Then it is done. A peeled pepper is going to get crushed by an anus and I imagine would linger longer than the sauce would have. 522186;1393041079;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9ii0zeAgK1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg 522187;1393041095;Duffer1;i'm not sure i'm prepared to click that 522188;1393041114;Duffer1;everything went better than expected 522189;1393041127;mircea_popescu;lol 522190;1393041269;BingoBoingo;According to the Serena Williams principal I'm going to suggest an interesting sweat tomorrow might come from betting Sara McMann to beat Ronda Rousey, IF you can find an appropriate venue to do so (Sorry for dropping the ball on proposing a BitBet) 522191;1393041351;lnovy;mircea_popescu: prague, I think I know even where... 522192;1393041371;mircea_popescu;lnovy myeah 522193;1393041374;lnovy;very old photo thou 522194;1393041384;mircea_popescu;the czech reslutsblic. 522195;1393041402;mircea_popescu;i mean repubic 522196;1393041403;lnovy;that my fatherland! yeah :) 522197;1393041417;mircea_popescu;hehe. 522198;1393041570;BingoBoingo;It looks like Goldman might be buying bitcoin http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/21/goldman-bitcoin/ 522199;1393041677;mircea_popescu;need to get mpoe shares somehow... 522200;1393041755;BingoBoingo;Reconcile Goat and Cabbage? 522201;1393041848;BingoBoingo;Goldman offers non-answers and suggests problems that are actually well documented non-problems. Either the Janitor is answering questions or they don't want to admit they are buying coins. 522202;1393041858;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00086725 = 5.4637 BTC [-] 522203;1393041944;mircea_popescu;i don't remember the last time a bank released something intelligent. 522204;1393041961;mike_c;"there is no liquid derivative market for Bitcoin" only because of gox! 522205;1393041978;mike_c;silly goldman 522206;1393041988;BingoBoingo;I think all of the incentives are to favor releasing unintelligent things. 522207;1393042000;mircea_popescu;indeed. 522208;1393042009;mike_c;until they get the coins they want, then it will be the best thing since sliced bread 522209;1393042025;mircea_popescu;generally you can tell who they're affraid of by checking who they don't mention. 522210;1393042031;BingoBoingo;mike_c: No, they will sowly turn positive. 522211;1393042041;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.50499997 = 2.02 BTC [+] {3} 522212;1393042057;BingoBoingo;But yeah, the lack of mentions of actual derivatives markets highlights their fears. 522213;1393042063;chetty_;mike_c: did you get Eulora running? 522214;1393042077;mike_c;no, that seg fault stopped me 522215;1393042095;mike_c;otherwise i would be crafting, not chatting :D 522216;1393042101;chetty_;what OS you on? 522217;1393042112;mike_c;ubuntu.. very recent version 522218;1393042122;mike_c;maybe 12.x 522219;1393042157;chetty_;did you compile or just run? binary should work - was compiled on 12.04 522220;1393042170;mike_c;just ran it. got CS from the v0.0.1 bundle 522221;1393042172;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'that scary moment when you google a word ... discover that as far as google knows, the only instances it was ever used are on your blog' << 'rectothermal' 522222;1393042182;mircea_popescu;tufuzula. 522223;1393042225;chetty_;try running client directly, not from launch - ./euclient see what happens pls 522224;1393042250;mike_c;will do, but that box is in the office so it won't be til monday. 522225;1393042263;mike_c;i'll let you know 522226;1393042318;Duffer1;ha playing at work? 522227;1393042337;mike_c;i tried, but since it crashed i had to work.. 522228;1393042342;Duffer1;:( 522229;1393042345;mike_c;anyways, i'm the boss :) 522230;1393042392;*;mircea_popescu ponders whether he should mention the even much cooler thing for the NEXT update 522231;1393042396;mircea_popescu;prolly not. 522232;1393042407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 450 @ 0.00086725 = 0.3903 BTC [-] 522233;1393042409;mike_c;we just got this build. gotta save something. 522234;1393042422;mircea_popescu;srsly. 522235;1393042431;mircea_popescu;so who was running windoze ? 522236;1393042451;BingoBoingo;If they ran it, would they admit it? 522237;1393042459;Duffer1;i'm on windows 522238;1393042461;Duffer1;don't hate 522239;1393042461;mircea_popescu;i recall someone saying they run windows at some point 522240;1393042463;Duffer1;:P 522241;1393042467;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 do you know how to compule ? 522242;1393042471;mircea_popescu;compile* 522243;1393042472;asciilifeform;beauty of running winblows is that it admits it for you 522244;1393042475;Duffer1;i do not 522245;1393042476;mircea_popescu;lol 522246;1393042483;asciilifeform;sometimes, using blockchain... 522247;1393042515;mike_c;i'm on it right now. i looked at compiling it, but gave up reasonably quickly. looked like i would have to modify jamconfig pretty heavily. 522248;1393042546;mike_c;there is supposed to be a command with jam that will generate a VC workspace, but it didn't work. 522249;1393042677;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I imagine if I ran a cube farm somewhere I'd have everyone's terminal set up to report that it was running Windows 95 release and Netscape 4.0 522250;1393042745;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wasn't talking about browser 'user agent' data, either 522251;1393042787;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'm getting curious 522252;1393042808;mike_c;can't be as bad as a mac that sends the contents of your hard drive to the cloud for you. 522253;1393042847;asciilifeform;just the fact that a facility where a number of folks run winblows pisses crapware c&c packets through its net pipe the way the sewer outlet of a girl's dorm pisses progesterone (look it up...) 522254;1393042877;mike_c;;;goodle dorm progesterone 522255;1393042877;gribble;Error: "goodle" is not a valid command. 522256;1393042887;mike_c;;;google dorm progesterone 522257;1393042887;gribble;Are Birth Control Pills Changing Evolution? - ViewZone: <http://www.viewzone.com/estrogen.html>; Progesterone Won't Shield Women Against Alzheimer's - ABC News: <http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Healthday/story?id=4509571&page=1>; Powerpoint_24_13 - the Department of Animal Sciences: <http://www.ansci.wisc.edu/jjp1/ansci_repro/lec/lec_24_human/lec24_13.ppt> 522258;1393042902;BingoBoingo;Ah 522259;1393042918;asciilifeform;;;google hormonal water pollution 522260;1393042919;gribble;Water Pollution Caused by Birth Control Poses Dilemma | LiveScience: <http://www.livescience.com/20532-birth-control-water-pollution.html>; Sex effects of water pollution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_effects_of_water_pollution>; Declining Male Fertility Linked To Water Pollution -- ScienceDaily: (1 more message) 522261;1393042928;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no need to look it up, we know why all the boys on reddit sound like girls. 522262;1393042947;asciilifeform;more directly relevant to the poor fish, but that's beside the point 522263;1393043029;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Also relevant to the people catching them. You can catch some large fish downstream from a wastewater treatment facility, but eating them... 522264;1393043096;greenspan_fan;reconsidering my exclusively sushi-based diet 522265;1393043104;mircea_popescu;http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/01/07/reddit-for-men/ 522266;1393043104;ozbot;A Man's Guide to Reddit | The Art of Manliness 522267;1393043108;mircea_popescu;this shit's pretty lulzy. 522268;1393043122;mircea_popescu;how to become a man by reading reddit. 522269;1393043123;asciilifeform;greenspan_fan: invest in a pocket geiger. 522270;1393043127;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/socialskills/comments/1yj6vu/how_to_get_someone_to_text_you_first/ 522271;1393043129;ozbot;How to get someone to text you first. : socialskills 522272;1393043136;KRS-One;greenspan_fan: Stick with the sushi diet. Pretty soon we will see some pretty interesting sushi dishes due to Fukishima. 522273;1393043201;Duffer1;r/wicked_edge I would actually recommend 522274;1393043240;greenspan_fan;the problem w/ reading reddit for self-improvement is, of course, sample bias 522275;1393043257;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 what's it about ? 522276;1393043263;asciilifeform;the general problem with eating shit for nutrition is... 522277;1393043274;mircea_popescu;i eat sushi. 522278;1393043280;mircea_popescu;mostly dalmatian salmon 522279;1393043282;Duffer1;how to shave proper with a dual or single edge blade 522280;1393043308;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 i used to do that, i had a barber using a how you call the things, like a knife 522281;1393043313;asciilifeform;Duffer1: how on earth does one shave with dual-edged blade? i mean, you can use one edge at a time 522282;1393043318;greenspan_fan;straight razor? 522283;1393043320;BingoBoingo;It is weird that salmon is one of the newest fish to be used as sashimi and served raw in suchi 522284;1393043321;mircea_popescu;but tbh, im not a fan of close shaves anymore. 522285;1393043324;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan yea 522286;1393043346;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo pretty much my favourite. i used to get premium tuna but now i dont trust it. 522287;1393043349;asciilifeform;could shave with anything that one can sharpen. partizans shaved with axe. 522288;1393043351;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: "Safety razo" 522289;1393043372;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he means those old things, metal with a screw on handle 522290;1393043378;asciilifeform;aha 522291;1393043388;asciilifeform;why does the subject need a how-to ? 522292;1393043401;greenspan_fan;honestly, I have no idea how to shave 522293;1393043404;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I like that Salmon doesn't live long enough to accumulate the weird shit tuna does. 522294;1393043406;mircea_popescu;dude, they have how to's about how to tickle the clit these days. 522295;1393043417;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo this is farmed off the dalmatian coast. 522296;1393043424;Duffer1;asciilifeform http://www.maggardrazors.com/product-category/safety-razors/ 522297;1393043441;asciilifeform;Duffer1: looks like a normal razor 522298;1393043451;asciilifeform;(circa 20th c.) 522299;1393043454;greenspan_fan;but safer 522300;1393043478;asciilifeform;yes. is there anyone here who has not shaved with this? i'm curious what is remarkable about it 522301;1393043483;Duffer1;remember the audience though, fatherless kids who think a 5 blade face mutilator is how to shave correctly cause tv said so 522302;1393043492;greenspan_fan;exactly! 522303;1393043493;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform about 90% of reddit has never shaved with it 522304;1393043497;mircea_popescu;half of those for lack of any need to. 522305;1393043504;BingoBoingo;Ah. Here we have Pacific farmed salmon and Atlantic mostly wild salmon. Usually though I prefer putting up with cooking to enjoy the local freshwater fish though. 522306;1393043505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00086572 = 2.2942 BTC [-] 522307;1393043539;greenspan_fan;I'd try using a straight razor but tv has made me think that they will peel off my face 522308;1393043540;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo im in flatlands, freshwater fish is unedible. 522309;1393043551;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the amazing things i've learned in this place. 522310;1393043551;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 522311;1393043571;Duffer1;a straight is an enormous amount of work 522312;1393043575;Duffer1;DE for life 522313;1393043577;mircea_popescu;eh get out. 522314;1393043587;mircea_popescu;takes a barber ~20 minutes. 522315;1393043594;greenspan_fan;so I'm kinda contemplating just waxing my face 522316;1393043598;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Understandable. It really doesn't take much distance to find places from here where that is true. 522317;1393043599;mircea_popescu;and that's because he's mostly speaking. 522318;1393043620;Duffer1;if you can afford a barber sure, but if you're doing it yourself... 522319;1393043636;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 what, you think being a barber is like a talent ? 522320;1393043644;BingoBoingo;Duffer1: Just grow a damned beard already 522321;1393043647;greenspan_fan;yes, those dudes used to perform surgery 522322;1393043657;mircea_popescu;zing lol 522323;1393043660;Duffer1;i'm sure it could be, but if you're not doing it yourself then it would be overlly expensive 522324;1393043685;mircea_popescu;so get your gf to do it. 522325;1393043699;mircea_popescu;topless chick shaving you. it's a turn on 522326;1393043713;Duffer1;i'm sure it is 522327;1393043726;asciilifeform;talented barbers: see the musical 'Sweeney Todd' 522328;1393043734;greenspan_fan;brb, googling for topless shaving fetishist website 522329;1393043753;mircea_popescu;che bel piacere... 522330;1393043760;mircea_popescu;per un barbiere 522331;1393043762;mircea_popescu;di qualita! 522332;1393043797;greenspan_fan;http://www.thegrosvenorongeorge.com.au/barber-babes-topless-hairdresser.html 522333;1393043799;ozbot;Barber Babes is Brisbanes ONLY Topless Barber Shop We have FULLY Qualified Hairdressers who are VERY 522334;1393043802;greenspan_fan;it exists! 522335;1393043815;greenspan_fan;not just as a website but a full-on business 522336;1393043817;BingoBoingo;I don't think I've actualy shaved, rather than merely trimmed my face in the past year, but I have shaved my head probably 10 times more frequently than I have hard my hair trimmed. 522337;1393043821;mircea_popescu;omfgthere's a tumbler. 522338;1393043821;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb8hjz0P9J1qiyv6ro1_1280.jpg 522339;1393043835;greenspan_fan;hahaha 522340;1393043871;Duffer1;:( 522341;1393043923;greenspan_fan;I'm thinking that counts as extremely taboo for muslims 522342;1393043929;mircea_popescu;MEN'S TOPLESS HAIR WASH, MASSAGE & FINISH = From $15 522343;1393043931;mircea_popescu;not so bad. 522344;1393043945;greenspan_fan;depends what kind of finish they're offering 522345;1393043954;mircea_popescu;course i'd stil luse an older rotund guy myself. 522346;1393044184;Duffer1;b2 :P 522347;1393044424;BingoBoingo;Oh, the lake better manage to get itseld up to 62 degree sometime this next month. 522348;1393044542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2878 @ 0.0008667 = 2.4944 BTC [+] 522349;1393045648;cazalla;that woman is nasty 522350;1393045668;cazalla;tats, peircings, ear plugs, total degenerate 522351;1393045718;mircea_popescu;why so square ? 522352;1393045733;Namworld;https://developer.paypal.com/docs/classic/products/adaptive-payments/# 522353;1393045733;ozbot;Classic APIs - Adaptive Payments product page - PayPal Developer 522354;1393045742;Namworld;Look at the 21 supported countries. 522355;1393045801;Namworld;My country is 2 countries. 522356;1393045827;Namworld;Also some countries are 3 countries, obviously. 522357;1393045846;the20year1;3 chinas! 522358;1393045873;the20year1;But only one US and one UK 522359;1393045896;Namworld;3 japans, 3 pakistans, 3 singapores. 2 Australias. 522360;1393045904;Namworld;There's actually 10 countries in that list. 522361;1393045910;mircea_popescu;many countries, 522362;1393045916;mircea_popescu;such paypaypaypaypaypalpal 522363;1393045945;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07020001 = 0.351 BTC [-] 522364;1393046006;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 51 @ 0.07018045 = 3.5792 BTC [-] {2} 522365;1393046032;Namworld;11* 522366;1393046555;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.505 = 1.01 BTC [+] 522367;1393046982;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07249879 = 0.2175 BTC [+] 522368;1393047226;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0701002 = 0.1402 BTC [-] 522369;1393048751;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 23 @ 0.00499998 = 0.115 BTC [-] 522370;1393048891;cazalla;ay yo 522371;1393048915;cazalla;quit speaking bitcoinanese, you a doge 522372;1393050425;bitcoinpete;The houseguests have departed and I'm back 522373;1393050520;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.00468998 = 0.1454 BTC [+] 522374;1393050588;BingoBoingo;This was definitely a good article for MP to have linked http://trilema.com/2010/de-as-avea-un-caine/ 522375;1393050627;BingoBoingo;Welcome back bitcoinpete, shame you could not party harder and longer this Firday night. 522376;1393050689;bitcoinpete;They were going to a "show" and there's only so much hearing damage I can take 522377;1393050721;bitcoinpete;especially since I need to stay nimble for a badminton tournament tomorrow 522378;1393050735;BingoBoingo;Well, I did mean Firday literally. Yesterday and today's winds left a good portion of one of those Woody bastards on my roof. 522379;1393050795;BingoBoingo;And yesterday (Thursday) morning after passing out from a mix of Vodka, instant coffee, and concussion I also had that older debris to clear as well. 522380;1393050806;BingoBoingo;Badmiton is an interesting game though. 522381;1393050870;BingoBoingo;I am rather poor at badminton, but I took a class in college, like most college classes it probably only served to make me worse at the pursuit. 522382;1393050911;bitcoinpete;Ha Firday... 522383;1393050939;bitcoinpete;I also played badminton in college, scholarship and everything 522384;1393050954;BingoBoingo;Seriously, if it wasn't for the electric line I would have taken down the rest of the thing myself, sunroom be damned. 522385;1393050960;BingoBoingo;Cool. 522386;1393050983;BingoBoingo;I just needed PE credits and I did power walking and though how hard can badminton be? 522387;1393050992;BingoBoingo;Turns out pretty hard. 522388;1393050999;bitcoinpete;For my 2nd degree anyways, badminton is only college here, not uni 522389;1393051004;bitcoinpete;it is 522390;1393051016;bitcoinpete;the higher levels aren't like the backyard stuff 522391;1393051022;bitcoinpete;dominated by azns 522392;1393051032;BingoBoingo;I'm going to take a wild guess. Are you an Aussie or a Brit bitcoinpete 522393;1393051047;bitcoinpete;Canadian 522394;1393051054;bitcoinpete;*Canuck 522395;1393051072;bitcoinpete;Plaid-wearing, canoe-rowing, maple syrup-chugging 522396;1393051083;BingoBoingo;Cool. 522397;1393051090;bitcoinpete;You? 522398;1393051102;BingoBoingo;I'm from little Egypt. 522399;1393051118;bitcoinpete;Vegas? 522400;1393051138;BingoBoingo;Nah, the definition that Google should turn up first. 522401;1393051182;BingoBoingo;I live in the 21st century's Australia. 522402;1393051246;BingoBoingo;White trash, prisons everywhere. But Chicago so more prisons than other white trash regions. 522403;1393051288;bitcoinpete;Chicago's great to visit, I hear it's terrible to live in 522404;1393051300;BingoBoingo;Chicago is a shithole. 522405;1393051321;BingoBoingo;St Louis is so much less shitty. 522406;1393051330;BingoBoingo;Though it is still shitty in its own ways 522407;1393051473;BingoBoingo;The nice compromise that comes with being close to St Louis while still being on the Illinois side of the river is you get to be further from Chicago without having to deal with scorpions. 522408;1393051508;bitcoinpete;I'll visit St Louis after I visit Savannah GA, Washington DC, Nashville, Cincinnati, maybe even Detroit. 522409;1393051522;bitcoinpete;It's on the list, just not that high 522410;1393051542;bitcoinpete;Scorpions sound worse than -40C 522411;1393051562;BingoBoingo;Sounds like a decent order to do things in. Detroit will make St Louis (even East St Louis) look like paradise. 522412;1393051568;BingoBoingo;Especially in October. 522413;1393051580;BingoBoingo;The missouri scorpions aren't too bad though. 522414;1393051607;BingoBoingo;They leave a welt a lot bigger than any bee does, but they don't do anything life threatening. 522415;1393051688;BingoBoingo;Missouri scorpions only present a problem in that they can live nearly anywhere. So 9999 times out of 10000 you can touch shit on the ground, but that one time... world of pain. 522416;1393051774;BingoBoingo;My introduction came though when I was going to Mizzou and one of those fuckers came into my apartment in the middle of summer while I was sleeping, and I guess I tried to swat it off my ass or something. 522417;1393051787;bitcoinpete;heh 522418;1393051862;BingoBoingo;Swatted it and smashed it into the covers (only evidence it was a scorpion was the parts intact. Didn't completely wake up then, but... When I woke up I couldn't sit. 522419;1393051938;bitcoinpete;haha ouch 522420;1393051958;bitcoinpete;So BingoBoingo what do you do with Bitcoin? Other than hang out with this gang 522421;1393051970;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Mostly I price risk. 522422;1393051994;BingoBoingo;I blog some too, but I've been neglecting the blog for two long (a few weeks) 522423;1393052048;BingoBoingo;I was lucky to come into the space when ASIC in general looked like scams but GPUs didn't look promising either. 522424;1393052095;BingoBoingo;So late 2012 I started trying to get some without buying it (huge mistake when they were trading for $4-6) 522425;1393052186;BingoBoingo;I made decent BTC through early 2013 abusing altcoins and betting, but seeing how fast shit was rising made the mistake of cashing out too readily because I wasn't as read in trilema as I could have been. 522426;1393052273;BingoBoingo;I hang out here because during the great fork of March 2013 people here made more sense than people in -dev did. 522427;1393052335;bitcoinpete;Fair enough 522428;1393052345;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: What brought you into Bitcoin? 522429;1393052381;bitcoinpete;Investment opportunity mostly 522430;1393052387;BingoBoingo;Ah. 522431;1393052410;bitcoinpete;I first heard about BTC in late 2011 at $0.90 and misunderstood it as a PayPal competitor 522432;1393052441;bitcoinpete;1.5 years later, after reading more economics, finance, philosophy, risk management, and I finally got it 522433;1393052456;BingoBoingo;I first hear of it in 2009 and mistunderstood it as some Derp distributed computing project. 522434;1393052468;bitcoinpete;Then I couldn't get enough and here I am 522435;1393052496;BingoBoingo;Well, everyone gets here later than they wish they did. 522436;1393052515;BingoBoingo;Even Hal Finney wishes he would have made Bitcoin instead of Beta testing it. 522437;1393052547;bitcoinpete;True. I'm glad I moved when I did. I look around at the "successful" people in my community and none of them are even close to getting it 522438;1393052586;BingoBoingo;And that is where 10-100 thousand dollar bitcoin comes from in part. 522439;1393052587;bitcoinpete;Just like they didn't get Apple in the late 90's and Twitter before the turn of the last decade 522440;1393052623;BingoBoingo;Well to be fair, apple could have completely died anytime in the 90's 522441;1393052635;bitcoinpete;Then, iMac 522442;1393052701;BingoBoingo;That was still incredibly iffy. 522443;1393052726;bitcoinpete;Not too iffy for me to buy a bunch of AAPL 522444;1393052740;bitcoinpete;If you could call Bitcoin a technology, it would be the 3rd after Apple and Twitter that I was in the first 1%. Not on my CV, I swear 522445;1393052760;bitcoinpete;Assuming BTC has another 99% to go 522446;1393052822;BingoBoingo;Well, in 2004 freshman year of college I put extra financial aid dollars into buying Sun Microsystems stocks, so I have little room to criticise anyone. 522447;1393052928;chetty_;I doubt even 'oldtimers' here really grasp what bitcoin is .. or where it might go 522448;1393053004;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo Oof 522449;1393053006;BingoBoingo;Definitely, the oldtimers seem to understand Bitcoin the least. 522450;1393053143;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.505 = 2.02 BTC [+] 522451;1393053252;bitcoinpete;;;later tell mircea_popescu nu ye legūma ka porkul 522452;1393053253;gribble;The operation succeeded. 522453;1393053265;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00469975 = 0.2162 BTC [+] {3} 522454;1393053281;bitcoinpete;haha gribble success! 522455;1393053367;BingoBoingo;I wonder why scools like this try sports http://deadspin.com/new-hampshire-basketball-team-ends-four-year-long-losin-1528355153 522456;1393053389;BingoBoingo;If you are ok with losing that much maybe jsut offer ROTC and Afghanistan 522457;1393053589;bitcoinpete;Externalize the losing? 522458;1393053766;BingoBoingo;Murica seems good at that 522459;1393053902;bitcoinpete;That it does. QE is a peach at that 522460;1393053949;BingoBoingo;Oh, there are other tricks as well. 522461;1393055179;greenspan_fan;"A people that sells its own children is more condemnable than the buyer; this commerce demonstrates our superiority; he who gives himself a master was born to have one." -- Abraham Lincoln 522462;1393056315;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4276 @ 0.00086737 = 3.7089 BTC [+] 522463;1393056511;bitcoinpete;I'm out for now. Cheers 522464;1393056559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00086663 = 5.3731 BTC [-] {2} 522465;1393059150;BingoBoingo;The saga of Thermos, explained by Bar Rescue http://www.spike.com/episodes/k2q25z/bar-rescue-the-blue-frog-sings-the-blues-season-1-ep-106 522466;1393059535;BingoBoingo;Related to http://trilema.com/2012/the-stockexchange-shareholders-on-welfare/ 522467;1393060524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00086737 = 5.4211 BTC [+] 522468;1393061744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00086523 = 5.9701 BTC [-] 522469;1393061744;chetty;zzzzzzzzz 522470;1393062318;moiety;herro 522471;1393062615;BingoBoingo;Oh, Kiev seems like it is on the market nao. 522472;1393062866;chetty;Venezuela is sounding nasty 522473;1393063006;BingoBoingo;Yeah. Venezuala, Thailand, and Ukraine is like the perfect storm for chaos in can whore countries. 522474;1393063136;chetty;eh the list is longer than that .. they just don't make the news anymore 522475;1393063215;moiety;Bosnia and Guinea in there too 522476;1393063726;BingoBoingo;Sure, the Phillipines as well even though their government outlawed the industry. 522477;1393063757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00086509 = 9.0834 BTC [-] {2} 522478;1393064062;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 234 @ 0.07007092 = 16.3966 BTC [-] {5} 522479;1393064123;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 38 @ 0.0666576 = 2.533 BTC [-] {5} 522480;1393064439;BingoBoingo;I think I've found a fake book [Prolly scam]//www.betcoinsports.com/faq 522481;1393064794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5398 @ 0.00086491 = 4.6688 BTC [-] 522482;1393064965;MisterE;ya'll probably know already but... 522483;1393064966;MisterE;Ukraine's capital fell into the hands of the protesters Saturday morning. Without a shot fired, opposition units surrounded and took control of parliament, the Council of Ministers building and most important, the Presidential Administration ... 522484;1393065221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12746 @ 0.0008646 = 11.0202 BTC [-] {2} 522485;1393065504;BingoBoingo;MisterE: This is how actual revolutions happen, as opposed to the occupy wall street stuff where the only casualties are protesters who get brained by CS grenades. 522486;1393065539;MisterE;^^ 522487;1393065551;MisterE;people gotta die 522488;1393065577;MisterE;less will die if they are fat and can take more rounds like in the US 522489;1393065582;MisterE;:D 522490;1393065591;Duffer1;without a shot fired? 522491;1393065643;Duffer1;weren't dozens killed by snipers? 522492;1393065677;BingoBoingo;Duffer1: They were. 522493;1393065746;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Maybe you got the wrong implication out of that statement. The point is for a revolution to happen, the aspiring revolutionaries have to inflict casualties on the force opposing them to drop the qualifier of aspiring. 522494;1393065805;MisterE;no I got it, the tree of democracy must be regularly watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots and all 522495;1393065815;MisterE;(I think) 522496;1393065826;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Closer. 522497;1393065895;BingoBoingo;Basically a protest encampment is worthless. A protest encampment getting owned by the 5-0 is worthless. A protest camp that can put some hurt on the 5-0 however qualifies as a revolution. 522498;1393066075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00086459 = 13.8767 BTC [-] 522499;1393066434;MisterE;and a revolutionary is a rebel until they win when they become freedom fighters 522500;1393067966;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 730 @ 0.0029025 = 2.1188 BTC [-] {9} 522501;1393068271;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.50948698 = 10.1897 BTC [+] {5} 522502;1393068454;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.06299985 = 0.63 BTC [+] 522503;1393069735;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1151 @ 0.00285341 = 3.2843 BTC [-] {6} 522504;1393071687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.00086913 = 12.5589 BTC [+] {3} 522505;1393072053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00087081 = 2.6995 BTC [+] {2} 522506;1393073639;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1900 @ 0.00044516 = 0.8458 BTC [+] {9} 522507;1393075055;jurov;davout: bitcoinity is "waiting for some serious exchange" lol 522508;1393075077;davout;for his transparency thing? 522509;1393075347;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 988 @ 0.00082809 = 0.8182 BTC [-] 522510;1393075401;jurov;What transparency thing? I thought it't for ads. 522511;1393075667;davout;jurov: what ads 522512;1393075670;davout;explain 522513;1393076140;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0047 = 0.1175 BTC [+] 522514;1393076381;jurov;davout just go there, select any market anf you'll see it. 522515;1393076413;jurov;That space is usually used for ads and it seems quite lucrative. 522516;1393076420;davout;i see 522517;1393076452;davout;yea it's the transparency thingy gmaxwell fished out of the ideasphere 522518;1393076464;jurov;Link? 522519;1393076479;davout;just click on the "serious exchange" thgin 522520;1393076502;davout;basically an exchange publishes list of accounts+balances+matching signed cold storage 522521;1393076514;davout;OR sum of asks+matching signed CS 522522;1393076557;davout;both ideas have flaws 522523;1393076565;jurov;Oh i see. First time there something completely unrelated flashed so i closed it. 522524;1393076597;ThickAsThieves;I don't think you're ever gonna see exchanges fully publishing cold wallets 522525;1393076614;davout;it's not even that 522526;1393076635;davout;if you have the sum of asks you're not proving you're solvent 522527;1393076652;davout;if you publish a list of accounts it has serious privacy implications unless done exactly right 522528;1393076659;davout;AND you can omit accounts selectively 522529;1393076678;ThickAsThieves;what *is* it then? 522530;1393076691;davout;OR you can serve different lists to different people and claim the differences stem out of the different time they were requested at 522531;1393076707;davout;that's what it is 522532;1393076715;davout;i'm not saying it's absolutely impossible 522533;1393076723;davout;but it's harder than what they make it sound 522534;1393076728;ThickAsThieves;think we're asking two different contexts of the question 522535;1393076735;davout;mebbe 522536;1393076753;ThickAsThieves;i mean comboy wont get what he wants 522537;1393076764;ThickAsThieves;and the bigger the exchange, the less likely 522538;1393076850;ThickAsThieves;so maybe we're saying the same thing 522539;1393076905;ForexTradr;sup 522540;1393076943;davout;ThickAsThieves: i might whip something up quickly 522541;1393076947;davout;for the sake of the reddit points 522542;1393076983;ThickAsThieves;lol 522543;1393076986;ThickAsThieves;true true 522544;1393077092;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bitcoinpete the cannonical form of that where i'm from is "pasare ca porcu' nu-i." 522545;1393077092;gribble;The operation succeeded. 522546;1393077117;Jere_Jones;mircea_popescu You still looking to compile something on windows? 522547;1393077126;mircea_popescu;yes. 522548;1393077144;mircea_popescu;o right, you were the windows guy huh ? 522549;1393077160;Jere_Jones;I don't think I've ever mentioned the os that I use. 522550;1393077172;mircea_popescu;i thought you had ? 522551;1393077175;mircea_popescu;aanyways 522552;1393077178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00087184 = 25.6321 BTC [+] {4} 522553;1393077178;Jere_Jones;However, yes, my main machine is windows. 522554;1393077210;mircea_popescu;well so wana give it a shot ? 522555;1393077237;Jere_Jones;I'm about to take my daughter to art class. I'd be happy to when I get back. It'll be about 3 hours. 522556;1393077288;mircea_popescu;i'll be more than happy if i have a compile within a week heh. 522557;1393077317;Jere_Jones;Ok. What/where is it? 522558;1393077333;mircea_popescu;eulora is the mmorpg s.mg is working on 522559;1393077352;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/smg-eulora-v004/ < the most recent release, includes source 522560;1393077352;ozbot;S.MG - Eulora v0.0.4 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 522561;1393077361;Jere_Jones;Ok 522562;1393077363;mircea_popescu;you may need files from v0.0.1 tho 522563;1393077500;Jere_Jones;Do you just want the binaries or do you want to be able to reproduce it? 522564;1393077538;mircea_popescu;well since you're doing it keeping notes would be very good, so others can reproduce it or try to if they wish 522565;1393077549;mircea_popescu;but binaries is principally the thing 522566;1393077561;Jere_Jones;ok 522567;1393077876;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bloctoc aite done ty. 522568;1393077876;gribble;The operation succeeded. 522569;1393078458;jurov;;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ea10c310edc19ca952ab8cdaee3e1d95f150b05f0d08850dda334bf0 522570;1393078459;gribble;You are now authenticated for user jurov with key 677ABD62D0AEE7D7 522571;1393078497;jurov;;;rate random_cat gave him a loan with ltc collateral, all went well 522572;1393078498;gribble;Error: 'gave' is not a valid integer. 522573;1393078502;jurov;;;rate random_cat 1 gave him a loan with ltc collateral, all went well 522574;1393078504;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user random_cat has been recorded. 522575;1393079495;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00087328 = 9.5188 BTC [+] 522576;1393079922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14391 @ 0.00086567 = 12.4579 BTC [-] {2} 522577;1393082882;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-] 522578;1393082942;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07244124 = 0.1449 BTC [+] 522579;1393083005;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 240 @ 0.00295585 = 0.7094 BTC [+] {6} 522580;1393083064;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 164 @ 0.0048 = 0.7872 BTC [+] {2} 522581;1393083430;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07243323 = 0.7243 BTC [-] {3} 522582;1393083432;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1001 BTC [-] 522583;1393083433;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 522584;1393084162;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.16230094 = 2.4345 BTC [-] 522585;1393085199;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.0629 = 0.8177 BTC [-] 522586;1393085626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00086726 = 4.5965 BTC [+] {2} 522587;1393086053;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 340 @ 0.00085779 = 0.2916 BTC [+] {2} 522588;1393086846;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1549 @ 0.00279474 = 4.3291 BTC [-] {18} 522589;1393088371;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.98055355 BTC to 2`465 shares, 80347 satoshi per share 522590;1393088493;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00017467 = 1.7467 BTC [-] {11} 522591;1393088494;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] [PAID] 2.17250000 BTC to 86`900 shares, 2500 satoshi per share 522592;1393088554;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3222 @ 0.000174 = 0.5606 BTC [-] {4} 522593;1393088615;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.000174 = 0.87 BTC [-] {3} 522594;1393088737;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00017336 = 0.3467 BTC [-] {5} 522595;1393088859;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 240 @ 0.07328322 = 17.588 BTC [+] {16} 522596;1393088920;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8733 @ 0.00017093 = 1.4927 BTC [-] {15} 522597;1393088921;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0745 = 0.298 BTC [+] 522598;1393088981;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07449999 = 0.745 BTC [-] {2} 522599;1393089286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.48414211 = 0.9683 BTC [-] 522600;1393089287;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0745 = 1.1175 BTC [+] {2} 522601;1393089652;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.0745 = 2.235 BTC [+] 522602;1393089835;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0745 = 0.745 BTC [+] 522603;1393089896;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.075 = 0.3 BTC [+] 522604;1393089957;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0055 = 0.165 BTC 522605;1393090445;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.075 = 0.45 BTC [+] 522606;1393090567;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.076 = 0.912 BTC [+] {2} 522607;1393090689;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.484122 = 0.9682 BTC [-] {2} 522608;1393090750;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0760397 = 0.8364 BTC [+] {3} 522609;1393091055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1510 @ 0.00086724 = 1.3095 BTC [-] 522610;1393091299;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.48412175 = 1.9365 BTC [-] {2} 522611;1393091300;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.0765 = 1.9125 BTC [+] {2} 522612;1393091360;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.484121 = 1.4524 BTC [-] 522613;1393091421;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0765 = 1.53 BTC [+] {3} 522614;1393091482;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.07692307 = 2 BTC [+] {3} 522615;1393091909;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.002 = 0.9 BTC [-] 522616;1393091970;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.077 = 2.156 BTC [+] 522617;1393092092;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 42 @ 0.00339999 = 0.1428 BTC [-] 522618;1393092093;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [+] 522619;1393092153;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06150511 = 0.123 BTC [-] {2} 522620;1393092154;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08 = 0.32 BTC [+] {2} 522621;1393092155;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7258 @ 0.00016015 = 1.1624 BTC [-] {12} 522622;1393092214;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.08045454 = 0.885 BTC [+] {3} 522623;1393092275;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.081 = 0.324 BTC [+] {2} 522624;1393092458;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.081 = 3.24 BTC [+] 522625;1393092459;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.48345022 = 4.3511 BTC [-] {4} 522626;1393092519;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.48114287 = 6.736 BTC [-] {3} 522627;1393092520;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.0849875 = 1.3598 BTC [+] {2} 522628;1393092580;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 81 @ 0.00442998 = 0.3588 BTC [-] {6} 522629;1393092641;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 65 @ 0.0894 = 5.811 BTC [+] {3} 522630;1393093068;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.07400343 = 1.1101 BTC [-] {5} 522631;1393093373;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0908 = 0.1816 BTC [+] 522632;1393093495;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.00278062 = 0.2669 BTC [-] {2} 522633;1393093556;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0908 = 0.5448 BTC [+] 522634;1393093617;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.0908 = 1.1804 BTC [+] 522635;1393093739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.48011113 = 0.9602 BTC [-] 522636;1393093740;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0908 = 0.9988 BTC [+] 522637;1393093861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0908 = 0.3632 BTC [+] 522638;1393093922;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0908 = 0.1816 BTC [+] 522639;1393094044;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 34 @ 0.0908 = 3.0872 BTC [+] 522640;1393094593;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.48006056 = 0.9601 BTC [-] {2} 522641;1393094654;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.09616665 = 0.577 BTC [+] {2} 522642;1393094715;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.097 = 0.291 BTC [+] 522643;1393095020;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00086752 = 6.3763 BTC [+] {2} 522644;1393095203;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.07400001 = 0.148 BTC [-] 522645;1393095264;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.07316683 = 0.439 BTC [-] {2} 522646;1393095325;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.09763333 = 0.5858 BTC [+] {3} 522647;1393095386;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0984 = 0.492 BTC [+] 522648;1393095813;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0984 = 0.6888 BTC [+] {2} 522649;1393095874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00086755 = 0.4338 BTC [+] 522650;1393095996;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.09733327 = 0.292 BTC [-] {3} 522651;1393097277;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.098 = 0.196 BTC [+] 522652;1393097338;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00450314 = 0.1261 BTC [-] {5} 522653;1393097339;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.098 = 0.392 BTC [+] 522654;1393097399;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00278037 = 0.3893 BTC [-] {5} 522655;1393097400;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.09807997 = 0.9808 BTC [+] {3} 522656;1393097460;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0984 = 0.492 BTC [+] 522657;1393097463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00087074 = 15.7604 BTC [+] {2} 522658;1393098436;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0981 = 0.4905 BTC [-] {5} 522659;1393098497;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.0984 = 1.2792 BTC [+] {2} 522660;1393098558;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.09982489 = 9.9825 BTC [+] {6} 522661;1393098619;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.1 = 0.6 BTC [+] {3} 522662;1393098680;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.100001 = 1 BTC [+] {2} 522663;1393098924;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.104 = 0.728 BTC [+] 522664;1393099046;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.10400015 = 1.352 BTC [+] {2} 522665;1393099290;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.104 = 1.04 BTC [-] 522666;1393099412;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.10966999 = 1.7547 BTC [+] {5} 522667;1393099473;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11 = 0.22 BTC [+] 522668;1393100083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4849 = 0.9698 BTC [+] 522669;1393100145;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.11 = 0.88 BTC [+] 522670;1393100327;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 993 @ 0.00081588 = 0.8102 BTC [-] {10} 522671;1393100388;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.11 = 0.88 BTC [+] 522672;1393100449;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+] 522673;1393100510;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.11 = 0.44 BTC [+] 522674;1393100876;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.11 = 2.53 BTC [+] 522675;1393100877;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4849 = 0.9698 BTC [+] 522676;1393100998;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4849 = 0.9698 BTC [+] 522677;1393100999;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 132 @ 0.00440163 = 0.581 BTC [-] {6} 522678;1393101059;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.11 = 1.54 BTC [+] 522679;1393101060;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2750 @ 0.00298746 = 8.2155 BTC [+] {11} 522680;1393101486;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.11 = 1.1 BTC [+] 522681;1393101547;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 522682;1393102096;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.11 = 0.88 BTC [+] {2} 522683;1393102157;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 151 @ 0.00424006 = 0.6402 BTC [-] {6} 522684;1393102158;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.48010001 = 1.9204 BTC [-] 522685;1393102218;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.11 = 2.64 BTC [+] {2} 522686;1393102340;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11 = 0.22 BTC [+] {2} 522687;1393102523;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.112 = 0.224 BTC [+] 522688;1393102645;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.112 = 0.224 BTC [+] 522689;1393102706;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.112 = 0.672 BTC [+] 522690;1393102889;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1135 BTC [+] 522691;1393103011;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.11369999 = 0.5685 BTC [+] {3} 522692;1393103255;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0044 = 0.132 BTC [-] 522693;1393103316;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.11541666 = 0.6925 BTC [+] {2} 522694;1393103682;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1175 BTC [+] 522695;1393103926;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.01937428 = 0.1356 BTC [-] {3} 522696;1393103987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11003001 BTC [-] 522697;1393104231;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02089999 = 0.1254 BTC [+] {2} 522698;1393104841;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.0209857 = 0.1469 BTC [+] {3} 522699;1393105085;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.115 BTC [+] 522700;1393105268;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 87 @ 0.00299695 = 0.2607 BTC [+] 522701;1393105634;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.117249 BTC [+] 522702;1393105878;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.11742 = 1.0568 BTC [+] 522703;1393105939;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.1110006 = 0.888 BTC [-] {3} 522704;1393106000;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.111 = 0.999 BTC [-] 522705;1393106183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14768 @ 0.00087292 = 12.8913 BTC [+] {3} 522706;1393106549;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11739899 = 0.3522 BTC [+] 522707;1393106671;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.11739899 = 0.587 BTC [+] 522708;1393107098;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11742 BTC [+] 522709;1393107281;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 323 @ 0.002997 = 0.968 BTC [+] 522710;1393107282;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11742 = 0.2348 BTC [+] 522711;1393107342;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.11742 = 0.4697 BTC [+] 522712;1393107464;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02129988 = 0.1065 BTC [+] 522713;1393107465;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.1175 = 0.47 BTC [+] 522714;1393108257;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 236 @ 0.00299999 = 0.708 BTC [+] {2} 522715;1393108379;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11739899 BTC [-] 522716;1393108562;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 229 @ 0.003 = 0.687 BTC [+] 522717;1393108684;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.1175 = 0.705 BTC [+] 522718;1393108807;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.118 BTC [+] 522719;1393109111;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.09799165 = 0.294 BTC [+] {2} 522720;1393109172;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.09799251 = 0.49 BTC [+] {2} 522721;1393109233;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 11 @ 0.10297258 = 1.1327 BTC [+] {6} 522722;1393109294;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 17 @ 0.1099794 = 1.8696 BTC [+] {5} 522723;1393109355;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 19 @ 0.11230735 = 2.1338 BTC [+] {6} 522724;1393109356;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.0004 = 0.12 BTC [-] 522725;1393109416;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 11 @ 0.12913581 = 1.4205 BTC [+] {4} 522726;1393109417;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.480105 = 0.9602 BTC [+] {2} 522727;1393109418;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11899999 = 0.238 BTC [+] 522728;1393109477;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 161 @ 0.0055 = 0.8855 BTC {2} 522729;1393109478;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 34 @ 0.13392634 = 4.5535 BTC [+] {6} 522730;1393109538;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 15 @ 0.1358999 = 2.0385 BTC [+] 522731;1393109721;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11899999 = 0.357 BTC [+] 522732;1393109782;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.11899999 = 2.975 BTC [+] 522733;1393109843;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.119 = 0.238 BTC [+] {2} 522734;1393109904;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.11899999 = 0.595 BTC [-] 522735;1393110819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00087322 = 11.7885 BTC [+] {2} 522736;1393111856;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11739899 BTC [-] 522737;1393113625;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1358999 BTC [+] 522738;1393113808;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11100103 = 0.222 BTC [-] 522739;1393114113;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11149999 = 0.3345 BTC [+] {2} 522740;1393114967;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.1110026 = 1.11 BTC [-] {3} 522741;1393115333;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11499797 BTC [+] 522742;1393115455;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.11499997 = 1.035 BTC [+] 522743;1393115821;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.11124341 = 1.3349 BTC [-] {4} 522744;1393116126;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00305 = 0.2318 BTC [+] 522745;1393116248;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0044 = 0.11 BTC [-] 522746;1393116309;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11289999 BTC [+] 522747;1393116431;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11289997 BTC [-] 522748;1393117957;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11199799 BTC [-] 522749;1393118261;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.11000057 = 0.77 BTC [-] {2} 522750;1393118322;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.10300029 = 0.206 BTC [-] {2} 522751;1393119054;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1027 BTC [+] 522752;1393119664;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.10255333 = 0.3077 BTC [-] {3} 522753;1393119725;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.09410057 = 0.5646 BTC [-] {4} 522754;1393120335;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.08900012 = 1.068 BTC [-] {3} 522755;1393120396;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.08900025 = 1.424 BTC [+] {3} 522756;1393121616;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.10088584 = 0.7062 BTC [+] {4} 522757;1393122531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00086095 = 7.1889 BTC [-] {3} 522758;1393124483;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11195387 = 0.3359 BTC [+] 522759;1393124910;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.062497 = 0.25 BTC [+] 522760;1393124911;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1027 = 0.4108 BTC [+] 522761;1393124912;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-] 522762;1393125276;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.11164966 = 0.6699 BTC [-] {3} 522763;1393125337;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11164933 = 0.3349 BTC [-] {2} 522764;1393127538;assbot; fucyaal 522765;1393127545;BingoBoingo;Maybe ozbot or gribble informed on assbutt 522766;1393127556;mircea_popescu;til : 522767;1393127559;mircea_popescu;;;google THERAC-25 522768;1393127560;gribble;Therac-25 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25>; An Investigation of Therac-25 Accidents - I: <http://courses.cs.vt.edu/cs3604/lib/Therac_25/Therac_1.html>; Therac-25 Accidents: An Updated Version of the Original Accident ...: <http://sunnyday.mit.edu/therac-25.html> 522769;1393127576;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 40 @ 0.0042 = 0.168 BTC [+] {2} 522770;1393127577;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.08499788 = 0.255 BTC [+] {2} 522771;1393127579;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 153 @ 0.00305403 = 0.4673 BTC [+] {3} 522772;1393127584;mircea_popescu;o look it's back! heya honey! 522773;1393127589;mircea_popescu;what sweet buns you have. 522774;1393127606;assbot; :* 522775;1393127620;mod6;lol 522776;1393127702;mircea_popescu;"Probably the single most destructive software bug to ship in the last 10 years with consumer software was an EVE Online update whose installer wiped boot drives on Windows." 522777;1393127704;mircea_popescu;o sweet. 522778;1393127721;kakobrekla;O_o 522779;1393127767;mod6;yikes 522780;1393127771;kakobrekla;it prolly deleted less systems than linux nubs did with rm -rf * comming from irc to fix their problems. 522781;1393127812;r3wt;no one has ever been that stupid,. 522782;1393127822;kakobrekla;we got one! 522783;1393127898;mod6;r3wt: don't underestimate the power of idiots 522784;1393127913;kakobrekla;the stupidity is the big infinity. 522785;1393127918;BingoBoingo;r3wt: What are you talking about, Plenty of people have used WIndows to play Eve in the past. 522786;1393127921;mircea_popescu;r3wt yes, they have. 522787;1393127932;r3wt;no the rm -rf * 522788;1393127933;mircea_popescu;now they';re making a statue in reykjkavik to immortalize it. 522789;1393127938;r3wt;even a linux noob wouldn't fall for that 522790;1393127963;kakobrekla;that is just your humble and wrong opinion. 522791;1393127970;kakobrekla;opinions are like views. everyone wants more. 522792;1393128024;mircea_popescu;lmao 522793;1393128050;BingoBoingo;A thing that may have been a sport in the 1990's when first boot device was always a: may or may not have been putting floppy disks with format c: in autoexec.bat in Best Buy computers. 522794;1393128057;r3wt;your farts must smell pretty good then 522795;1393128090;kakobrekla;certanly better than veggies farts. 522796;1393128135;BingoBoingo;Adequate intake of beef and pork is the only way to keep one's farts polite. 522797;1393128146;kakobrekla;"would you like some veggie farts?" "actually, id rather opt for that bag of fiat." 522798;1393128165;kakobrekla;lol BingoBoingo , its true. 522799;1393128201;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Fish and chiken won't do it alone. 522800;1393128226;mircea_popescu;a true mexican eats enough jalapeno that when he farts, 522801;1393128231;mircea_popescu;it's not the smell women object to. 522802;1393128242;mircea_popescu;but the sudden vaginal itch. 522803;1393128253;kakobrekla;lol 522804;1393128262;kakobrekla;this chan is retarded. 522805;1393128270;BingoBoingo;Jalapeno doesn't have much heat though. 522806;1393128291;mircea_popescu;pǝpɹɐǝʇɹ ɹ n ou 522807;1393128336;kakobrekla;i can read that. 522808;1393128363;mircea_popescu;i wonder if an irc chan ever existed where the people wrote upside down deliberately and just held their irc-chat dedicated monitors upside down 522809;1393128364;mircea_popescu;to bother noobs 522810;1393128406;mircea_popescu;girl goes up to guy's apartment for the first time, sees monitor suspended on rope from ceiling, looks at him "o, you're on #weird-fucks ?" 522811;1393128417;BingoBoingo;I'd be disappointed if #openBSD-techsupport didn't operate that way 522812;1393128418;kakobrekla;well, you can rotate it with software, you dont need to hold the monitor in place. 522813;1393128445;mircea_popescu;ɐןʞǝɹqoʞɐʞ shh! 522814;1393128454;kakobrekla;lel 522815;1393128546;BingoBoingo;In the hotel kakobrekla image on the ceiling is rotated by software rather than mirror. 522816;1393128613;mircea_popescu;"you don't need mirrors atop your fuckbed, you can just use a flat screen and stream cellphone snapshots" 522817;1393128629;mircea_popescu;Real.Men.Use.Rope. 522818;1393128640;kakobrekla;or just call up nsa to back feed and the cams in the room to rooms tv screen 522819;1393128647;kakobrekla;and = all 522820;1393128650;mircea_popescu;Firefox is the best argument that proprietarians have about low quality foss software. A million eyes, a million hands, a million turds. 522821;1393128652;mircea_popescu;ahjaha epic 522822;1393128772;BingoBoingo;But firefox is fixed simply through the NoScript extension to become the second best web browser after Lynx 522823;1393128854;mircea_popescu;i have my doubts 522824;1393128861;mircea_popescu;not based on anything specific, i never used firefox. 522825;1393129037;BingoBoingo;Well, I make small modificattions, but as per my classifications of these things it is delete and see if it still works rather than actual programming. 522826;1393129159;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, what browser are you usually using ? 522827;1393129173;mircea_popescu;lynx/opera 522828;1393129203;B007;lynx lol 522829;1393129221;BingoBoingo;B007: Don't be hating of lynx 522830;1393129230;mod6;<3 lynx 522831;1393129264;B007;do you use lynx with DOS? 522832;1393129287;BingoBoingo;B007: I haven't used DOS since spring 2004 522833;1393129306;B007;I use DOS for BIOS upgrades 522834;1393129318;B007;that is all 522835;1393129449;mod6;-.- 522836;1393129459;B007;DOS from a USB flash drive isn't bad 522837;1393129471;B007;I like DOS better than windows 522838;1393129483;B007;but I like *nix the best 522839;1393129876;benkay;;;ticker --market mtgox 522840;1393129902;*;benkay taps foot impatiently 522841;1393132882;copumpkin;:) 522842;1393132886;*;copumpkin hugs mircea_popescu 522843;1393132920;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0624974 = 0.3125 BTC [-] {2} 522844;1393132921;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49497998 = 0.99 BTC [+] {2} 522845;1393132923;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02021011 = 0.1213 BTC [-] {5} 522846;1393132924;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 40 @ 0.00489999 = 0.196 BTC [+] 522847;1393133002;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2014#522839 and the next 3 lines, .... looks like mp is running mtgox 522848;1393133004;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 522849;1393133009;kakobrekla;or is it mpgox really. 522850;1393133026;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlDXTc8IJ7c 522851;1393133027;ozbot;Cougar Bourbon Advertisement - YouTube 522852;1393133097;kakobrekla;no spam 522853;1393133123;Vexual;sorry 522854;1393133162;kakobrekla;dont be so apologetic 522855;1393133171;kakobrekla;say sorry now! 522856;1393133176;Vexual;fuck off cunt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ScjucUV8v0 522857;1393133196;kakobrekla;yes yes more like it 522858;1393133201;kakobrekla;not the link tho 522859;1393133211;kakobreklaa;THERE YOU ARE! 522860;1393133223;mod6;ehlo 522861;1393133225;Vexual;a? 522862;1393133229;mircea_popescu;ah here we are back 522863;1393133263;Vexual;more normal? 522864;1393133280;asciilifeform;B007, BingoBoingo: i actually had occasion to set up a brand-new ms-dos box just recently. 522865;1393133292;kakobrekla;yes more normal thanks to my bug report. 522866;1393133295;Vexual;got the manual no doubt ascii 522867;1393133320;asciilifeform;Vexual: manual? next, a manual for a knife or fork? 522868;1393133335;Vexual;real dos has a manual 522869;1393133431;kakobrekla;i dunno how to use fork manual. anyone got a manual on that? 522870;1393133462;kakobrekla;meh, ill just put it into automatic mode, it does have my name innit. 522871;1393133492;mircea_popescu;somalia needs training in using the fork ? 522872;1393133500;KRS-One;yea 522873;1393133505;KRS-One;and better 522874;1393133506;KRS-One;.bait 522875;1393133507;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_menyu4mfxm1qc3ldvo1_500.jpg 522876;1393133510;kakobrekla;no, fork i know, the manual i dont. 522877;1393133525;KRS-One;her bathing suit came off 522878;1393133552;B007;asciilifeform: what was it? 522879;1393133557;kakobrekla;it makes a lot of sense to wear that 522880;1393133565;mircea_popescu;her bathing suit looks more like earrings 522881;1393133565;kakobrekla;you just need 2 cups and you can make an exchange 522882;1393133600;kakobrekla;or cans, to be more exact 522883;1393133604;mircea_popescu;i wonder how those people advertise it. "all the cramp and discomfort of a bra with none of the protection!" 522884;1393133612;Vexual;24 carat excellence 522885;1393133616;kakobrekla;if i say cups i get reminded of those cups videos taht you dont want to be reminded of 522886;1393133622;asciilifeform;B007: box controlling some stepper motors. hence single-tasking OS where you can simply execute 'CLI' and kill interrupts, getting 100% deterministic timing with empty loop. 522887;1393133633;B007;nice 522888;1393133653;mircea_popescu;99.x% deterministic timing :D 522889;1393133675;asciilifeform;100 - clock jitter. 522890;1393133682;B007;but wouldn't a microcontroller or real time os make more sense? 522891;1393133684;mircea_popescu;yea 522892;1393133699;asciilifeform;might as well be a microcontroller. 522893;1393133706;B007;:D 522894;1393133744;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhH66kZIAAA6N4k.jpg:large 522895;1393133776;B007;oh man might have to send that to some people 522896;1393133782;mircea_popescu;lol 522897;1393133786;kakobrekla;i thought thats the bing bang 522898;1393133814;mircea_popescu;coca-mentos, big-bang, bingoboingo, what diff does it make 522899;1393133823;mircea_popescu;aren't we all worldending cataclysms ? 522900;1393133837;Vexual;looks like ascii is spoofing gps 522901;1393133845;mircea_popescu;btw, since we're on the topic : anyone explain the difference between a clism and a cataclysm ? 522902;1393133872;Vexual;i still think jurov likes in slovenia, so not me 522903;1393133895;asciilifeform;Vexual: ? 522904;1393133918;kakobrekla;ok imma start to think people are getting these countries unintentionally wrong 522905;1393133927;Vexual;you hacked into the coke truck gps ascii 522906;1393133928;mircea_popescu;slovakia ? 522907;1393133934;Vexual;slovakistan! 522908;1393133945;mircea_popescu;no that's in albania. 522909;1393133945;B007;um clism isn't an english word is it 522910;1393133947;kakobrekla;North Somalia 522911;1393133965;mircea_popescu;B007 enema 522912;1393133982;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my first thought. 522913;1393133987;*;Vexual extrudes another hernia 522914;1393134007;B007;you never make much sense 522915;1393134078;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49 = 0.98 BTC [-] 522916;1393134139;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.10100016 = 0.505 BTC [-] {3} 522917;1393134179;Vexual;i don't know shit, when you get to the big water, it's not austalistan anymore 522918;1393134200;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.101 BTC [-] 522919;1393134224;Vexual;recognise 522920;1393134251;KRS-One;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4YutyVP7ig 522921;1393134252;ozbot;Milkshake with lyrics - YouTube 522922;1393134296;Vexual;whats happening in the ukraine? i don't trust twitter 522923;1393134315;BingoBoingo;B007: I challenge you to make more sense than vexual 522924;1393134322;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11163997 = 0.3349 BTC [+] 522925;1393134323;Vexual;umpossible 522926;1393134368;benkay;hey guys thumbs up or thumbs down on gently simmering the covered stock overnight 522927;1393134379;benkay;i'm failing to estimate evaporation rates on my own 522928;1393134389;benkay;on one hand covered 522929;1393134393;benkay;otoh cover has hole and hot 522930;1393134421;mircea_popescu;Vexual they're becoming independent. 522931;1393134438;mircea_popescu;benkay nothing can safely burn overnight. 522932;1393134447;mircea_popescu;if you had a wood fire it'd be safe cause wood runs out. 522933;1393134486;benkay;it's not burning per se just a big ol' piece of steel with electrons pumped through. 522934;1393134526;mircea_popescu;even so. 522935;1393134532;BingoBoingo;benkay: Can you set 140 F as a temperature? 522936;1393134549;mircea_popescu;;;google 140 F in K 522937;1393134550;benkay;i zapped my pidbox :( 522938;1393134550;gribble;Rafale Xtremjet Skymaster Kingtech K-140F - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiX3dVLU9go>; RC F-15 Turbine Jet Maiden Flight "Kingtech K-140" - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2moHwVW8NM>; K-140 (Kansas highway) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-140_(Kansas_highway)> 522939;1393134554;mircea_popescu;useful. 522940;1393134573;benkay;f yeah that's useful there's a jet in the results 522941;1393134584;benkay;a TOY JET! 522942;1393134590;mircea_popescu;anyway, low temp like 333k may work i guess. 522943;1393134648;Vexual;get a crock pot if youre all elecrtons benkay 522944;1393134686;mircea_popescu;http://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-patent-prevents-students-from-sharing-books-120610/ 522945;1393134697;benkay;that would be the answer to this wouldn't it Vexual 522946;1393134705;benkay;shit i just got told by Vexual 522947;1393134741;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this shit is SOP at american unis 522948;1393134757;mircea_popescu;such lol. 522949;1393134786;Vexual;patenting anti piracy wont get paid 522950;1393134786;mircea_popescu;all the kids bought books afair, mostly because it was cheaper to buy the book than to photocopy 522951;1393134805;mircea_popescu;~10 or so bux a 500 page book vs 30-40 for photocopying 1k pages. 522952;1393134823;mircea_popescu;any system in which the printed books cost more than the xerocopies doesn't deserve to exist. 522953;1393134843;asciilifeform;you can get usable copy via cheap camera, even phone camera, using a stand - a la 'spy minox' 522954;1393134850;MisterE;how do you "bookmark" a page on git? 522955;1393134863;MisterE;follow? 522956;1393134868;Vexual;or get a tuned in printing press that will print onto shitty paper 522957;1393134868;benkay;bahaha nope. 522958;1393134869;MisterE;watch? 522959;1393134898;benkay;i kind of think fuck social vcs, but i dasn't really take that stance in america 522960;1393134904;Vexual;be the textbook 522961;1393134918;mircea_popescu;what are social vcs ? 522962;1393134919;benkay;http://www.skymasterjet.com/image1/t4t.jpg 522963;1393134947;Vexual;i was somewhere else for special relativity 522964;1393134962;mircea_popescu;nice girl ? 522965;1393134965;Vexual;fuck if im explaining that for $80/hr 522966;1393135072;asciilifeform;was in a uni bookstore not long ago. there are books costing 150-200 usd 522967;1393135090;mircea_popescu;i think a bitbel prize for computing may be in order for whoever predicts a vexual next line. 522968;1393135109;asciilifeform;they also have a tradition of re-issuing the same text year after year, with renumbered exercises 522969;1393135115;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11163761 BTC [-] 522970;1393135117;asciilifeform;so students can't use last year's book. 522971;1393135121;mircea_popescu;ok thats just fucking idiotic. 522972;1393135134;B007;I did't buy any books this semester 522973;1393135143;mircea_popescu;someone pays money to be in the class of people doing this ? why the fuck already. 522974;1393135146;asciilifeform;one fellow around here published cross-references that made an old set of exercises usable, he was expelled, if i recall. 522975;1393135170;B007;lol 522976;1393135172;benkay;they're widely available on the internet. 522977;1393135177;mircea_popescu;beyond scandalous. 522978;1393135200;benkay;anyways hey guys checkout these sweet mini jets: http://www.bvmjets.com/Pages/XtremeJets/F16%206.75.htm 522979;1393135228;benkay;looks like effective combat mini drones are available at about 2k 522980;1393135233;benkay;to civilians no less! 522981;1393135253;asciilifeform;benkay: flight time = ? 522982;1393135260;benkay;i have yet to identify the powerplant, yet, but many pages mention fuel tanks 522983;1393135263;benkay;oh horrible 522984;1393135277;benkay;but at least the cost of the microdrones necessary to liberate cascadia's well priced now 522985;1393135285;benkay;;) 522986;1393135291;benkay;ah, 3k 522987;1393135294;mircea_popescu;"I met Richard Stallman (RMS) once. Actually sat down to dinner with him at the same table but I didnt realize who he was. He was poorly dressed, unkempt, needed a shower, and his conversation was both confused and confusing. I later learned that he was always that way. When he got up as the speaker for that afternoon, I said to myself, Huh? Who is this guy that hes being allowed to speak dressed like that? 522988;1393135294;mircea_popescu;After about five minutes, it finally dawned on me that this was the guy behind the GNU/GPL movement but he spoke like an insane, raving mad man. After about half an hour of listening, I came to the conclusion that he fits the stereotype of prophet like those found in the Bible only hes got the software angle. 522989;1393135294;mircea_popescu;Ignore that lunatic. Hes completely nuts." 522990;1393135338;mircea_popescu;benkay i wish those guys ipo'd in btc ;/ 522991;1393135355;benkay;who ipo which what? 522992;1393135361;mircea_popescu;the xtremejets ppl. 522993;1393135365;benkay;the jets dudes? 522994;1393135379;asciilifeform;when i read these folks, i wonder if they'd care for stallman if he were washed & dressed 522995;1393135388;asciilifeform;or if they'll just take the cheapest shot available 522996;1393135393;benkay;what is the damn power plant! 522997;1393135395;BingoBoingo;I predict Vexual next says Bullshit because he loves the shit of Bulls over the shit of cows 522998;1393135413;Vexual;i call spaniards spaniards 522999;1393135414;mircea_popescu;yrah the jet dudes 523000;1393135457;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think he is lucky that he's unkempt, otherwise i'd be reading all over the internet how he's a pedophile pornographer gypsy guy. 523001;1393135465;benkay;oh man they're doing cool stuff too mircea_popescu http://www.bvmjets.com/tips/sabre_jet_news.htm 523002;1393135478;mircea_popescu;i just want a model jet companee ;/ 523003;1393135490;benkay;haha 523004;1393135492;asciilifeform;diy war machine ought to be regarded as disposable. so solid rocket engine would make the most practical sense. 523005;1393135494;benkay;i gotta guy to introduce you to 523006;1393135504;asciilifeform;before long, you have a 'strela.' 523007;1393135542;benkay;asciilifeform: i'm down with that trajectory of development. 523008;1393135549;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform most flights would be interdiction. 523009;1393135555;mircea_popescu;nondisposable have their utility. 523010;1393135562;Vexual;yes 523011;1393135568;benkay;yeah keep 20 or 30 of the nice ones around 523012;1393135569;BingoBoingo;Yeah, If I made a DIY airforce I dunno if I would want a non-drone craft more complicated than an F-16 523013;1393135571;benkay;try not to break 'em too often 523014;1393135595;Vexual;turbo polystyrene is the best model jet 523015;1393135619;mircea_popescu;benkay what's the total kinetic mommentum you expect could be packed in something like http://www.bvmjets.com/images/XtremeJets/F16/missiles.jpg ? 523016;1393135622;mircea_popescu;straight-fired. 523017;1393135623;Vexual;the hobby that keeps you outta guitmo 523018;1393135642;benkay;you want 2 vehicle classes, at a broad sweep: disposables to take stuff out (poor man's guided missle) and fancy ones (comms, coordination, w/e) 523019;1393135659;BingoBoingo;I dunno I think a quilted flourocarbon winged biplane could be nice 523020;1393135669;mircea_popescu;benkay "interdiction, picking up chicks" 523021;1393135693;benkay;interdiction 523022;1393135695;BingoBoingo;benkay: Flip the uses. Disposables for command and fancy for destruction 523023;1393135699;benkay;interdicktion 523024;1393135706;Vexual;who lives on a coast? im working on a robot boat 523025;1393135719;benkay;BingoBoingo: surewhynot 523026;1393135737;benkay;they're cheap enough that one might be able to test different strategies 523027;1393135761;benkay;i actually think coordination of the cheap ones is an emergent thing 523028;1393135782;benkay;"go over there and ruin anything moving till you run out of juice" 523029;1393135794;benkay;or smash yourselves into it w/e 523030;1393135799;Mats_cd03;anyone here live in chicago 523031;1393135819;BingoBoingo;Mats_cd03: No civilized person lives in that wasteland 523032;1393135832;benkay;mircea_popescu: robots on everything with thrust vectoring 523033;1393135843;Mats_cd03;im about to move there for a job 523034;1393135843;asciilifeform;swarms. 523035;1393135856;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 actually some people do yea 523036;1393135862;asciilifeform;pocket-sized flyers, forming phased-array antennae 523037;1393135867;BingoBoingo;benkay: I know two classmates who became fighterpilots. At least one wants to become a cargo pilot because the planes are more comfy. 523038;1393135867;benkay;^^ 523039;1393135873;benkay;asciilifeform gets it 523040;1393135890;benkay;fuck actual humans in planes BingoBoingo their time has come and gone 523041;1393135893;Vexual;radar at the edge of space? 523042;1393135895;benkay;war is for robots now 523043;1393135899;asciilifeform;let's see with what they will shoot a swarm. 523044;1393135900;mircea_popescu;sex too. 523045;1393135908;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11163761 = 0.2233 BTC [-] 523046;1393135927;BingoBoingo;benkay: Human pilots will continue to be a thing as long as Prisoners of war take resources to hold 523047;1393135929;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform emp, large nets, spray paint... 523048;1393135949;asciilifeform;all great. except that you only need one 'bee' up the tailpipe. 523049;1393135962;BingoBoingo;If we want EMP warfare, why power at all and not aliminium filings? 523050;1393135992;asciilifeform;pill against emp is to use line-of-sight optical links between the 'bees' 523051;1393135995;asciilifeform;instead of radio 523052;1393136017;asciilifeform;sealed conductive chassis (nobody cancelled Greene's theorem) 523053;1393136024;BingoBoingo;(aliminium over aluminium because lithium and aluminum in alloy melts real nice. as per Kosovo) 523054;1393136042;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the amount of aiming the light beam requires makes your ships still vulnerable to emp 523055;1393136042;asciilifeform;better still, trimethyl aluminum. 523056;1393136044;mircea_popescu;cause computors. 523057;1393136059;asciilifeform;greene's theorem. 523058;1393136063;mircea_popescu;even so. 523059;1393136073;mircea_popescu;ungrounded cage will still generate field. 523060;1393136080;asciilifeform;conductor in a metal shell, zero induced electric field inside 523061;1393136088;asciilifeform;regardless of flux 523062;1393136091;asciilifeform;on the outside. 523063;1393136119;mircea_popescu;isn'tthat only true of spherical shell ? 523064;1393136123;asciilifeform;nope 523065;1393136125;mircea_popescu;hm. 523066;1393136139;asciilifeform;although the schoolbook typically starts with a spherical shell as example 523067;1393136158;mircea_popescu;this seems counterintuitive to me. 523068;1393136200;mircea_popescu;so if i have a shell in the shape of two connected spheres, of different sizes, i can't put an instrument inside that will tell me whether the small or the big sphere is closer to the nuclear blast ? 523069;1393136210;Vexual;subs talk through oceans and the earth with very long waves 523070;1393136227;asciilifeform;Vexual: towed antenna. 523071;1393136276;Vexual;cant emp that shit 523072;1393136444;asciilifeform;ex: http://www.theprepperjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/FaradayBox-HowTo.png 523073;1393136471;asciilifeform;(one can laugh at the implementation, but not the physics.) 523074;1393136541;asciilifeform;incidentally, emp weapon other than traditional nuke is more or less a joke 523075;1393136561;asciilifeform;during 'desert storm' u.s. popped an emp bomb above an iraqi radio station 523076;1393136568;Vexual;really? 523077;1393136571;asciilifeform;knocking it out for several hours (they had to change an amp) 523078;1393136583;Vexual;active emp? 523079;1393136584;asciilifeform;if they had used a classical bomb of the same weight, they could have levelled it. 523080;1393136592;Vexual;nukes dont joke 523081;1393136597;asciilifeform;explosively-pumped vircator. 523082;1393136611;B007;link to a story about the emp? 523083;1393136634;Vexual;get a ham license b007 523084;1393136671;asciilifeform;B007: dig it up yourself 523085;1393136677;asciilifeform;source was a russian report 523086;1393136699;asciilifeform;u.s. claimed that they zapped the entire iraqi power grid with emp, a transparently laughable tale 523087;1393136724;BingoBoingo;Rousey is a fucking cut of the first degree 523088;1393136740;asciilifeform;the reason why it is so easy to produce massive emp with nuke is, charged particles zinging around in van allen belt. 523089;1393136778;asciilifeform;turn the planet's magnetosphere into a dynamo. 523090;1393136793;KRS-One;heh cool 523091;1393136802;Vexual;nukes arent cool 523092;1393136815;asciilifeform;the notion of a useful non-nuclear emp weapon is transparent grantsmanship 523093;1393136822;asciilifeform;why? do a gedankenexperiment 523094;1393136823;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0624997 = 0.625 BTC [-] {2} 523095;1393136839;asciilifeform;take a traditional bomb, of any practical size you prefer 523096;1393136862;asciilifeform;and picture 100% of the chemical energy converted into a radio emission of whichever type you prefer. 523097;1393136882;asciilifeform;(actual vircator or other known mechanisms gives nothing close to 100%) 523098;1393136897;asciilifeform;regardless of how this emanation is aimed, nobody cancelled inverse-square law. 523099;1393136898;BingoBoingo;To the best of my knowledge unuseful non-nuclear emp weapons are a thing, but vastly surpassed by non-nuclear, non-emp weapons that simply scatter conductive fibers. 523100;1393136945;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeIJmciN8mo 523101;1393136945;ozbot;Nicki Minaj - Starships (Explicit) - YouTube 523102;1393136953;asciilifeform;the one and only such item of some actual military use is a (current) russian anti-tank shell that detonates at an approach of ~1m 523103;1393136972;asciilifeform;fired in a two-parter - emp shell to blind sensors, classical shell follows behind. 523104;1393136995;asciilifeform;but, much as any general would love 'death ray', there is no death ray. 523105;1393137050;BingoBoingo;The US still has airborne cluster munitions that are deigned for used against power substations which by design litter the area with aliminum and carboin fillaments. 523106;1393137068;chatquack;trippy! 523107;1393137079;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if this ever becomes popular, conductors will be insulated. 523108;1393137116;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: This was first used against Serbia during the operations to "free" "Kosovo" 523109;1393137128;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 308 @ 0.00039999 = 0.1232 BTC [-] {2} 523110;1393137153;BingoBoingo;At the time popular press was informed these were EMP weapons. 523111;1393137154;chatquack;3 man watter ballon launcher + metal chain 523112;1393137162;chatquack;water** 523113;1393137170;asciilifeform;the cheapest weapon is the fictional one. 523114;1393137174;BingoBoingo;Later declassification revealed there were merely littering weapons 523115;1393137221;BingoBoingo;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLU-114/B_%22Soft-Bomb%22 523116;1393137221;ozbot;BLU-114/B "Soft-Bomb" - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 523117;1393137330;asciilifeform;u.s. national sport, zapping defenceless savages from a safe distance. 523118;1393137373;asciilifeform;but a more beloved, more lucrative national sport - graft. 523119;1393137407;chatquack;fun read BingoBoingo 523120;1393137425;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdrqA93sW-8 523121;1393137426;ozbot;Nicki Minaj - Pound The Alarm (Explicit) - YouTube 523122;1393137444;chatquack;FTA: The filaments are only a few hundredths of an inch thick and can float in the air like a dense cloud. 523123;1393137450;chatquack;Neat! 523124;1393137470;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Ever since Abe I don't think any 'Murican would dispute graft as the greatest 'Murican sport 523125;1393137496;KRS-One;Vexual: remember what kakobrekla said about pasting links.. 523126;1393137659;Vexual;that one doesnt cont 523127;1393137915;KRS-One;Why? 523128;1393137982;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.11272731 = 3.9455 BTC [+] {6} 523129;1393137983;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform remarkably clever the trashbin faraday cage. 523130;1393138104;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.11299984 = 3.39 BTC [+] {5} 523131;1393138115;mircea_popescu;chatquack and who might you be ? 523132;1393138135;chatquack;Hmmm... Deep question... 523133;1393138150;mircea_popescu;just give the elevator speech. 523134;1393138153;mircea_popescu;and meanwhile : http://cuteoverload.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/wpid-12211283714_59aa5e38c1_o.jpg?w=560 523135;1393138256;*;chatquack is a lover of things. 523136;1393138295;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58-atNakMWw << goat finally built his exchange. 523137;1393138531;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 818 @ 0.00015002 = 0.1227 BTC [-] {5} 523138;1393138646;B007;http://winkdex.com 523139;1393138785;chatquack;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elevator_pitch *giggles* I've never heard of that before. 523140;1393138785;ozbot;Elevator pitch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 523141;1393138836;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.11299999 = 0.565 BTC [+] {3} 523142;1393138889;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Would be a shame if a stiff milking gave goat the MRSA 523143;1393138910;chatquack;Anywho. I got intrested in bitcoin last ~april and have been consumed by it (along with any crypto). I'm a computer junky who got sick and tired of working on computers. Much better as a hobby for me right now. I found a recent love for auto detailing and I am a coinchat exile. =D 523144;1393138931;mircea_popescu;so welcome 523145;1393138932;chatquack;I also love beer. 523146;1393138937;chatquack;Thanks! 523147;1393138942;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v8I5egzoMo 523148;1393138943;ozbot;Car Wash Song - YouTube 523149;1393138946;mircea_popescu;wait, you're not bitcoinpete are you ? 523150;1393138951;chatquack;no sir 523151;1393138952;mircea_popescu;that makes two of you car freaks 523152;1393138970;chatquack;Oh ya? 523153;1393138978;BingoBoingo;I can vouch that chatquack and bitcoinpete are different. 523154;1393138990;mircea_popescu;maybe we end up with the bitcoin-assets hotrods club 523155;1393139000;chatquack;Does someone in here love optimum no rinse? 523156;1393139005;Vexual;im saving up for a model a 523157;1393139019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00083418 = 4.0458 BTC [-] 523158;1393139038;chatquack;(name drop) also, I've bs'd with BingoBoingo for a few months now. 523159;1393139045;Vexual;for those of you that don't know the jive, thats two carburettors and an overdrive 523160;1393139054;BingoBoingo;I'm finally coing to chop my emssions system to bits with a sawzall next week and hope it wasn't the EGR valve 523161;1393139061;chatquack;~working at the car wash ya~ 523162;1393139085;*;chatquack turns it up. 523163;1393139109;mircea_popescu;they still use carburetors ?! 523164;1393139119;Vexual;in '38 they did 523165;1393139123;mircea_popescu;right. 523166;1393139136;B007;i wish i had a car....fuck 523167;1393139160;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtVX-qfUi6w 523168;1393139160;ozbot;HD_Hot Rod Race_Jimmy Dolan_Lyrics 1951 - YouTube 523169;1393139181;mircea_popescu;B007 some people do but mostly the car is not for fuck. 523170;1393139215;Vexual;carburettor is emp resistant 523171;1393139272;chatquack;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dTG7xDFPzo 523172;1393139272;ozbot;Futurama carwash song - YouTube 523173;1393139275;*;chatquack jams out 523174;1393139304;B007;mircea_popescu: now that is funny 523175;1393139344;chatquack;Vexual, wouldn't the ignition coil still be a prob? 523176;1393139347;mircea_popescu;http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4386&cpage=1#comment-381481 523177;1393139350;ozbot;Why I think RMS is a fanatic, and why that matters. 523178;1393139354;mircea_popescu;check out extra-pissed off eric raymond 523179;1393139366;chatquack;Unless you were running mechanacily injected diesel. 523180;1393139424;chatquack;The recharging system would be fried too. 523181;1393139439;Vexual;i didnt say proof 523182;1393139445;*;chatquack runs to the hills and dons his tinfoil hat. 523183;1393139446;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0044 = 0.132 BTC [-] 523184;1393139493;Vexual;but your pump will pump 523185;1393139508;chatquack;it should right? 523186;1393139532;Vexual;yep way past the point the block is hot enough to cook you from the back seat 523187;1393139564;chatquack;If your ignition coil on a gas engine goes out, you'd lose spark though I think. 523188;1393139603;Vexual;it might splutter while its happening 523189;1393139607;chatquack;diesel is good to go without spark, thanks to compression. (I think) 523190;1393139626;chatquack;Oh oh.. If the chamber is still hot enough to combust gas? 523191;1393139630;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00435001 = 0.1479 BTC [-] {2} 523192;1393139646;BingoBoingo;Diesel still needs glow (hot) plugs 523193;1393139658;chatquack;Not once the chambers are hot. 523194;1393139671;chatquack;You can run diesel off of compression alone. 523195;1393139687;BingoBoingo;Yoiu still need some heat chatquack 523196;1393139689;chatquack;I don't know if it's the same for gas. 523197;1393139691;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.48022083 = 2.4011 BTC [-] {4} 523198;1393139700;chatquack;Ah yes... Starting it cold would be a prob. 523199;1393139748;chatquack;But if an emp hit while it was running, an older diesel engine would continue running. 523200;1393139751;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.11731818 = 2.581 BTC [+] {3} 523201;1393139780;chatquack;A mechanical injector pump is a nifty machine. 523202;1393139788;BingoBoingo;Most older gasoline engines would continue running as well. 523203;1393139822;BingoBoingo;EMP's negative effects generally appear in relation to the length of the recieving wire. 523204;1393139826;chatquack;I think even the older gas ones would still rely on their ignition coil to build power to feed the spark plugs. 523205;1393139872;chatquack;And an ignition coil is a big nast coil. It would probably fuse and short from a local emp. 523206;1393139917;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AogtividIuk 523207;1393139917;ozbot;Franz Ferdinand - Jacqueline - YouTube 523208;1393139920;chatquack;nast = nasty 523209;1393139945;chatquack;That's a worrysum photo. 523210;1393139959;chatquack;worrysome?** 523211;1393139988;BingoBoingo;It's always better on holliday 523212;1393139998;BingoBoingo;So much better on holliday 523213;1393140019;Vexual;fucking webjet 523214;1393140022;*;chatquack bops around 523215;1393140056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00083988 = 5.5012 BTC [+] 523216;1393140129;chatquack;~That's why we only work when, we neeeeeed the money~ 523217;1393140141;BingoBoingo;McMann is fired. 523218;1393140166;chatquack;Send him the bill. 523219;1393140206;BingoBoingo;chatquack: Her 523220;1393140231;chatquack;o.O 523221;1393140344;BingoBoingo;Oh look, Jebus made bail https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem/status/437467209829318657 523222;1393140403;mircea_popescu;@cukeking @CharlieShrem How exciting. Where will the bitcoin innovation end? 523223;1393140415;mircea_popescu;i love it when people are their own parodies. 523224;1393140426;KRS-One;.bait 523225;1393140427;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m22kdnBuyK1rtoc5eo1_500.jpg 523226;1393140465;BingoBoingo;I promise, I will always be the best parody of myself. 523227;1393140485;mircea_popescu;http://bitcoins.sh/5 :D 523228;1393140488;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 523229;1393140538;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijk4j-r7qPA 523230;1393140538;ozbot;Franz Ferdinand - Take Me Out - YouTube 523231;1393140706;BingoBoingo;Huh, my IRL domain's hosting just lapsed. 523232;1393140719;BingoBoingo;And I really dun care. 523233;1393140727;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 40 @ 0.0627 = 2.508 BTC [+] 523234;1393140731;mircea_popescu;on yer blog ?! 523235;1393140757;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The firstnamelastname.net blog yeah. 523236;1393140800;BingoBoingo;Apparently it actually happened a few weeks ago, but fuck it. 523237;1393140897;*;chatquack chuckles at http://bitcoins.sh/5 523238;1393140954;BingoBoingo;I care little though, firstnamelastname@firstnamelastname.net has no WOT. BingoBoingo has some WOT though. 523239;1393140978;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wznMbAkyBHQ 523240;1393140979;ozbot;Franz Ferdinand - Darts Of Pleasure - YouTube 523241;1393141063;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=penvn9VL32Y 523242;1393141064;ozbot;Modest Mouse - Dashboard - YouTube 523243;1393141294;chatquack;http://bitcoins.sh/poop *chuckles* 523244;1393141294;ozbot;Poo Hammer — YOURLS 523245;1393141314;chatquack;Wow, ozbot... You are on top of things. 523246;1393141320;KRS-One;He's awesome 523247;1393141323;KRS-One;.bait 523248;1393141324;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2f9d1l0mW1qkegsbo1_1280.jpg 523249;1393141390;KRS-One;see 523250;1393141391;BingoBoingo;I had to think a while 523251;1393141392;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPhnOKmhbBw 523252;1393141393;ozbot;Modest Mouse - Ocean Breathes Salty - YouTube 523253;1393141398;chatquack;oh man... 523254;1393141413;BingoBoingo;Your sould 523255;1393141459;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.115 = 1.035 BTC [-] 523256;1393141533;chatquack;I don't think I've seen this mm video. 523257;1393141579;chatquack;~I had to think a while~ 523258;1393141586;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_pnlYYHO1g#aid=P-Ux0v3EWow 523259;1393141587;ozbot;Modest Mouse - The Whale Song - YouTube 523260;1393141605;chatquack;This... 523261;1393141627;chatquack;fuck man. I'm going to play this one for my neighbors. 523262;1393141699;chatquack;~I guess I'm a scout, so I should find a way out, so everyone can find a way out~ 523263;1393141710;chatquack;Brings tears. 523264;1393141735;chatquack;We're all stuck on this crazy marble. 523265;1393141745;BingoBoingo;chatquack: I know your weakness 523266;1393141764;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11683333 = 0.3505 BTC [+] {2} 523267;1393141772;BingoBoingo;SO everyone can find a way out 523268;1393141791;*;chatquack rocks back'n forth 523269;1393141825;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.117 BTC [+] 523270;1393141861;chatquack;~I know I was a scout, I should've found a way out. So everyone could find a way out!!!~ 523271;1393141958;chatquack;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CH1Tu9-oSU&feature=kp 523272;1393141958;ozbot;14. Talkin' Shit About a Pretty Sunset - YouTube 523273;1393141978;chatquack;ooooooooooooooooooo nooose 523274;1393141992;chatquack;tied myself in, tied myself too tight 523275;1393142003;BingoBoingo;tskt-ka tsk-ka 523276;1393142022;BingoBoingo;Well he just drove off sometime slife's ok 523277;1393142050;chatquack;ha, my first album 523278;1393142129;*;chatquack does the cockroach 523279;1393142208;chatquack;I think I'm having an alcholic moment. 523280;1393142209;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi7KDOAj4Xo 523281;1393142210;ozbot;Modest Mouse - King Rat - YouTube 523282;1393142228;chatquack;I'm going to have to let talin' shit finish first. 523283;1393142231;BingoBoingo;Well, niggers.txt 523284;1393142244;chatquack;ohgoddamnnit 523285;1393142316;chatquack;Weeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllllll 523286;1393142356;*;chatquack plays the air violin 523287;1393142395;BingoBoingo;Deep water, Deep water senseless deny 523288;1393142404;BingoBoingo;I went down like a rag doll 523289;1393142411;chatquack;*bops around more* 523290;1393142424;chatquack;*air horn* 523291;1393142429;BingoBoingo;lol 523292;1393142470;chatquack;I've never seen such a divese croud then at a Modest Mouse show. 523293;1393142497;mircea_popescu;lol wasn't that nubbins' favourite band ? 523294;1393142542;chatquack;Senseless denial** 523295;1393142552;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Maybe? 523296;1393142557;BingoBoingo;Prolly 523297;1393142560;*;chatquack goes to renew his lease 523298;1393142567;BingoBoingo;Imma go take a walk. 523299;1393142587;BingoBoingo;If it takes more than two hours I fail by Bitcoin fitness test. 523300;1393142658;chatquack;oh boy 523301;1393142709;*;chatquack puts on http://grooveshark.com/#!/album/The+Lonesome+Crowded+West/145992 523302;1393142735;*;chatquack then begins to wonder what the 145992 is all about. 523303;1393142928;mircea_popescu;bloctoc all done now thanks. you can go back to #eulora :p 523304;1393142987;bloctoc;thanks mp, maybe I'll head over and make it look crowded. 523305;1393143082;bloctoc;how much can my artistic sister make building useless things in eulora? any benchmarks yet? 523306;1393143103;chetty;no useless stuff 523307;1393143157;bloctoc;I don't wish to belabor the point, but I recall a conversation long ago about flying horses. 523308;1393143216;bloctoc;never mind I'd find a flying horse to be useful. 523309;1393143219;chetty;flying houses? now thats an idea 523310;1393143262;bloctoc;I already thought of flying houses 523311;1393143432;bloctoc;the logistics would never work because of wall sockets. 523312;1393143462;bloctoc;and plumbing 523313;1393143533;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.003066 = 0.1686 BTC [+] 523314;1393143611;mircea_popescu;bloctoc no specific benchmarks yet, but there will be 523315;1393143638;mircea_popescu;and maybe we can have wifi water ? like wafi. 523316;1393143675;chatquack;H2O.11g 523317;1393143682;bloctoc;rain just got rebranded 523318;1393143690;bloctoc;rain 2.0 wireless 523319;1393143712;chatquack;H2O.0? 523320;1393143740;chatquack;*drops the mic* (and gets another drink) *beer 523321;1393143767;mircea_popescu;lol I DISRUPTED RAIN 523322;1393143777;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 119 @ 0.00462327 = 0.5502 BTC [+] {9} 523323;1393143838;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.117 = 0.819 BTC [+] 523324;1393143872;mircea_popescu;"If all of this seems like a great deal of trouble, think what's at stake. We are faced with the most evil enemy mankind has known in his long climb from the swamp to the stars. There can be no security anywhere in the free world if there is no fiscal and economic stability within the United States. Those who ask us to trade our freedom for the soup kitchen of the welfare state are architects of a policy of accommodati 523325;1393143872;mircea_popescu;on." 523326;1393143899;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.118 = 0.236 BTC [+] 523327;1393143909;mircea_popescu;"Many Americans today, just as they did 200 years ago, feel burdened, stifled, and sometimes even oppressed by government that has grown too large, too bureaucratic, too wasteful, too unresponsive, too uncaring about people and their problems. I believe we can embark on a new age of reform in this country and an era of national renewal, an era that will reorder the relationship between citizen and government." 523328;1393143916;mircea_popescu;dude i could quote reagan for the rest of the day. 523329;1393143920;mircea_popescu;he needs to be read more. 523330;1393144179;*;chatquack gets ready to "do the cockroach". 523331;1393144204;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00015918 = 0.1592 BTC [+] {7} 523332;1393144304;chatquack;~I was in heaven, I was in hell. Believe in neither, but fear them as well; This one's a doctor, this one's a lawyer, THIS ONE'S A CASH FIEND TAKING YOUR MONEY!~ 523333;1393144439;B007;r & r -- Ronald Reagon 523334;1393144594;chatquack;Ronald Raygun? 523335;1393144603;chatquack;pew pew 523336;1393144609;chatquack;;;lasers 523337;1393144610;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 523338;1393144618;*;KRS-One ducks 523339;1393144620;KRS-One;.bait 523340;1393144622;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me08u7vPsQ1reae9uo1_500.jpg 523341;1393144636;chatquack;What are thoes tubes? 523342;1393144649;chatquack;Dry'r ducting? 523343;1393144737;chatquack;bbbl love u 523344;1393145058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00083509 = 13.9878 BTC [-] {2} 523345;1393145302;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.0201705 = 0.4034 BTC [-] {9} 523346;1393145321;BingoBoingo;Back 523347;1393145424;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 922 @ 0.003066 = 2.8269 BTC [+] 523348;1393145482;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl9vGHVT_Xs 523349;1393145482;ozbot;Truckers Atlas - Modest Mouse - YouTube 523350;1393145485;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.003068 = 0.1718 BTC [+] 523351;1393145546;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00479957 = 0.48 BTC [+] {4} 523352;1393145607;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49797989 BTC [+] 523353;1393145608;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00487441 = 0.4874 BTC [+] {4} 523354;1393147681;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.003068 = 0.1964 BTC [+] 523355;1393147682;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49699959 BTC [-] 523356;1393147803;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 92 @ 0.00489999 = 0.4508 BTC [+] {2} 523357;1393149023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00084022 = 4.5372 BTC [+] 523358;1393150121;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11200033 BTC [-] 523359;1393150241;chatquack;~the origans of the mud shar are as follows...~ 523360;1393150302;chatquack;~There's a motel in Seattle, Washington, called the Edgewater Inn . . . The Edgewater Inn is built out on a pier . . . so that means that when you look out your window you don't see any dirt, it's . . . got a bay or something out in your backyard . . .~ 523361;1393150317;chatquack;muuuudddddshhhhaaarrrk 523362;1393150378;chatquack;my mind drifts back... 523363;1393150465;chatquack;~ . . . to a meeting, a chance meeting in the Chicago O'Hare Airport . . .~ 523364;1393150481;chatquack;~Where the members of The Vanilla Fudge told Don Preston about a home movie they made at the Edgewater Inn . . . with a mud shark!~ 523365;1393150487;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.062 = 0.124 BTC [-] 523366;1393150513;mircea_popescu;http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Was-Forced-To-Have-Sex/1776436 523367;1393150520;mircea_popescu;this is pretty epic. 3rd world problems. 523368;1393150563;chatquack;FTA: I told him that my “ boyfriend “ took huge amout of money almost everytime for different reasons……mom’s operation, someone’s cancer…….lots of reasons. 523369;1393150570;chatquack;sounds like a pimp 523370;1393150585;chatquack;in all the wrong ways 523371;1393150653;chatquack;~What kind of girl do you think we are?~ 523372;1393150702;B007;"he could gift me lots of deseases" 523373;1393150800;mircea_popescu;it sounds very africa-ish to me. 523374;1393150808;mircea_popescu;seriously, those people never heard of a wake-up service ? 523375;1393150830;davout;wtf is up with the price 523376;1393150840;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 523377;1393150841;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 638.92, Best ask: 639.75, Bid-ask spread: 0.83000, Last trade: 638.91, 24 hour volume: 24427.22237949, 24 hour low: 569.1, 24 hour high: 646.0, 24 hour vwap: 607.335388949 523378;1393150844;mircea_popescu;what ? 523379;1393150851;davout;!t m x.eur 523380;1393150851;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.002 / 0.002 / 0.002 (450 shares, 0.90 BTC), 7D: 0.002 / 0.0021717 / 0.00226762 (2908 shares, 6.32 BTC), 30D: 0.00166114 / 0.001845 / 0.00226762 (16570 shares, 30.57 BTC) 523381;1393150883;davout;i go to bed 420 eur/btc 523382;1393150889;davout;i get up 500 523383;1393150903;B007;r u rich now? 523384;1393150912;mircea_popescu;i r guess he muyst be 523385;1393150921;davout;B007: i was rich before you knew how to spell "bitcoin" 523386;1393150932;chatquack;oh snap 523387;1393150932;B007;unlikely 523388;1393150949;mircea_popescu;so prices move while you sleep. welcome to the insomniac side. 523389;1393150975;davout;is there some mtgox-related news or whatever 523390;1393150999;davout;looks like not heh 523391;1393151008;mircea_popescu;not particularly. they're going to come back monday they say. 523392;1393151028;mircea_popescu;may be that they've found a sucker, but that story'll end if i find him too. 523393;1393151037;davout;lol 523394;1393151042;mircea_popescu;mtgox living on the edge dun dun dun 523395;1393151053;chatquack;fastest btc/usd rise e v a h 523396;1393151061;mircea_popescu;suckerseek, a bitcoin service. 523397;1393151065;davout;chatquack: not rly 523398;1393151070;KRS-One;lol 523399;1393151079;chatquack;m a y be ? ? ? 523400;1393151083;KRS-One;no 523401;1393151087;KRS-One;not close 523402;1393151097;chatquack;probably not thought, trust has been lost 523403;1393151099;davout;mircea_popescu: you forgot the "powered by btcjam" 523404;1393151193;chatquack;~mud shark~ 523405;1393151209;chatquack;~oh you can hear the steam baby...~ 523406;1393151219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.003049 = 0.1707 BTC [-] 523407;1393151245;chatquack;~steam roller~ 523408;1393151296;chatquack;~hemroids, talk'n about your hemroids, baby~ 523409;1393151329;chatquack;http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/frankzappa/latexsolarbeef.html 523410;1393151329;ozbot;FRANK ZAPPA LYRICS - Latex Solar Beef 523411;1393151394;chatquack;~All groupies must bow down, in the sacrad presense of the latax solar beef~ 523412;1393151406;chatquack;sacred** 523413;1393151434;chatquack;*que willie the pimp* 523414;1393151540;davout;chatquack: playing now 523415;1393151666;chatquack;~real futuristic, I dig the fins.~ 523416;1393151739;chatquack;Life Wastes AndyHardy 523417;1393151955;chatquack;~Ooooh! Anything for you, my most seductive, seclusive... pop star of a man... picture this if you can: b jobs! knotted nylons! bamboo canes! three unreleased recordings of Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young fighting in the dressing-room of the Fillmore East! Why, one enchilada wrapped with pickle sauce shoved up and down in between a donkey's legs until he can't it stand anymore! All this 523418;1393151956;chatquack;and more, Howie! Including! an electric cooled pony harness, with fuel injection... fuel injection... fuel injection...~ 523419;1393151991;KRS-One;Crosby, Stills, Nash: southern cross 523420;1393152022;KRS-One;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3kImL2gDkI 523421;1393152022;ozbot;Southern Cross with lyrics - Crosby, Stills, and Nash - YouTube 523422;1393152023;chatquack;~Well, I know when I'm licked... All over~ 523423;1393152096;mircea_popescu;davout :p 523424;1393152378;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.11200023 = 1.12 BTC [-] {3} 523425;1393152379;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.003055 = 0.1833 BTC [+] 523426;1393152683;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 523427;1393152715;chatquack;so RENT many curency 523428;1393152744;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.1135 = 1.7025 BTC [+] {3} 523429;1393152751;Guest24301;do we have a new bot in here? 523430;1393152756;chatquack;so test zoom drunkenness' 523431;1393152775;chatquack;text** 523432;1393152804;*;chatquack turns it over to Guest24301 523433;1393152835;chatquack;kernips, for moisture. 523434;1393152907;chatquack;~trembling like a penguin, when the battey fails. 523435;1393153134;chatquack;g'night/morn'n -assets 523436;1393153175;chatquack;I will now leave you goodby. 523437;1393154195;KRS-One;i need some bait 523438;1393154196;KRS-One;.bait 523439;1393154197;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdjapnDFMq1qg7xwvo1_500.png 523440;1393154208;KRS-One;rawr 523441;1393154635;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11759899 BTC [+] 523442;1393154636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00085119 = 3.6176 BTC [+] 523443;1393155245;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 628 @ 0.00015934 = 0.1001 BTC [+] {5} 523444;1393155306;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00306792 = 0.1657 BTC [+] {2} 523445;1393155855;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 217 @ 0.003068 = 0.6658 BTC [+] {2} 523446;1393158295;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 105 @ 0.003068 = 0.3221 BTC [+] {3} 523447;1393158844;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 256 @ 0.00308999 = 0.791 BTC [+] {2} 523448;1393159210;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 651 @ 0.002 = 1.302 BTC [-] 523449;1393159271;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 534 @ 0.00082093 = 0.4384 BTC [-] {6} 523450;1393159332;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 244 @ 0.00309 = 0.754 BTC [+] 523451;1393159393;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 101 @ 0.00310979 = 0.3141 BTC [+] {2} 523452;1393159943;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00312 = 0.1248 BTC [+] 523453;1393160003;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 940 @ 0.00313296 = 2.945 BTC [+] {3} 523454;1393160186;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.003133 = 0.1347 BTC [+] 523455;1393160552;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00085493 = 4.6594 BTC [+] 523456;1393160918;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 255 @ 0.003133 = 0.7989 BTC [+] 523457;1393161284;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11199999 BTC [-] 523458;1393161345;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11199999 = 0.224 BTC [-] 523459;1393161467;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 243 @ 0.0031 = 0.7533 BTC [-] 523460;1393162382;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 116 @ 0.00313 = 0.3631 BTC [+] {2} 523461;1393162504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 324 @ 0.00313143 = 1.0146 BTC [+] {2} 523462;1393162626;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2074 @ 0.003133 = 6.4978 BTC [+] 523463;1393162687;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 146 @ 0.003138 = 0.4581 BTC [+] {2} 523464;1393162747;mircea_popescu;http://theinvisiblethings.blogspot.ro/2011/04/linux-security-circus-on-gui-isolation.html btw 523465;1393162767;ozbot;The Invisible Things Lab's blog: The Linux Security Circus: On GUI isolation 523466;1393163196;ThickAsThieves;newstand in cyprus http://i.imgur.com/27Tbity.jpg 523467;1393163205;ThickAsThieves;vagina! 523468;1393163237;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.48032503 = 3.8426 BTC [-] {3} 523469;1393163256;ThickAsThieves;new webisite is up, needs some small tweaks, but much better than prior http://www.neo-bee.com/en/ 523470;1393163406;ThickAsThieves;opening is tomorrow 523471;1393163450;KRS-One;nice 523472;1393163480;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1143 @ 0.00315698 = 3.6084 BTC [+] {7} 523473;1393163541;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 579 @ 0.00318999 = 1.847 BTC [+] {2} 523474;1393163602;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 589 @ 0.00319 = 1.8789 BTC [+] {2} 523475;1393163664;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.11199995 = 0.56 BTC [-] {2} 523476;1393163830;pankkake;as far as I know, Windows has the same issue, and a lot of software has to work around it - especially since servers also have GUIs 523477;1393163980;pankkake;http://www.neo-bee.com/en/services/use-bitcoins/ so easy stores, nice 523478;1393163985;ozbot;Neo :: Accepting Bitcoins 523479;1393164149;caustiq;just picked up 3btc worth of neo&bee after watching it for awhile 523480;1393164158;caustiq;hope they spread virally throughout EU 523481;1393164166;caustiq;topple the banking cabal 523482;1393164212;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1027 BTC [+] 523483;1393164395;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 617 @ 0.00319 = 1.9682 BTC [+] 523484;1393164411;mircea_popescu;pankkake afaik win7 tried some locking 523485;1393164415;mircea_popescu;not that it did anything 523486;1393164443;goxtakeover;Hi. We have started an initiative to rescue MtGox. If you interested, visit www.mtgoxtakeover.com 523487;1393164445;pankkake;I was told you can run windows servers without guis now 523488;1393164456;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 398 @ 0.00319499 = 1.2716 BTC [+] {5} 523489;1393164459;pankkake;I hope it involves pitchforks 523490;1393164475;mircea_popescu;goxtakeover start by introducing yourself and drop the spurious "we" 523491;1393164476;pankkake;oh, right, just donations 523492;1393164485;mircea_popescu;weaboos are not "we". 523493;1393164606;ThickAsThieves;lol goxscamover 523494;1393164641;goxtakeover;<mircea_popescu> - this can be read on the website 523495;1393164660;mircea_popescu;but i am not reading your website now am i 523496;1393164725;ThickAsThieves;the site essentially says "send you coins" in not many more words 523497;1393164731;ThickAsThieves;send us* 523498;1393164749;ThickAsThieves;either way 523499;1393164803;caustiq;that sounds sketchy 523500;1393164808;caustiq;AF 523501;1393164821;ThickAsThieves;most scams do 523502;1393165066;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49899997 BTC [+] 523503;1393165514;mircea_popescu;i suppose i;m gonna end up having to write a post about introductions. apparently it's completely lost on peeps that it makes absolutely zero sense to just start sputtering stuff as a complete unknown. 523504;1393165570;pankkake;http://i.imgur.com/hkO5nPE.jpg more goatse than vagina 523505;1393165691;KRS-One;ah goatse..timeless. 523506;1393165721;ThickAsThieves;hehe 523507;1393165722;mircea_popescu;actually, that's like cyprus' largest circulation newspaper 523508;1393165725;mircea_popescu;like 20k or something 523509;1393165735;ThickAsThieves;it's in like 3 papers at least 523510;1393165790;pankkake;and it's open, so not wasted coverage! 523511;1393165802;pankkake;or opening tomorrow I guess 523512;1393165831;mircea_popescu;what's it selling again ? 523513;1393165849;ThickAsThieves;bitcoin financial services 523514;1393165861;ThickAsThieves;biggest probly being the Bee network 523515;1393165871;mircea_popescu;but specifically. 523516;1393165877;mircea_popescu;guy reads newspaper, does what ? 523517;1393165900;ThickAsThieves;a merchant would sign up to accept Bee for cheaper payment proc 523518;1393165910;ThickAsThieves;a user would open an account to get a card 523519;1393165948;ThickAsThieves;wallet service in one light 523520;1393165966;BingoBoingo;Possibly related http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/02/23/the-heathrow-m/ 523521;1393165974;ThickAsThieves;will also offer euro-pegged accounts 523522;1393165996;ThickAsThieves;doesnt seem to be on offer for opening 523523;1393165998;mircea_popescu;so basically coinbase ? 523524;1393166005;mircea_popescu;but with store card ? 523525;1393166055;ThickAsThieves;but positioning itself like a bank 523526;1393166069;mircea_popescu;o look at that, wikipedia has meanwhile caught on that the people still left editing there are mostly paid marketeers. 523527;1393166082;ThickAsThieves;they are targeting Bank of Cyprus pretty directly 523528;1393166120;mircea_popescu;aahaha til boc is ~1/3 s.mpoe 523529;1393166160;ThickAsThieves;Cyprus is a small place 523530;1393166164;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2708 @ 0.00085192 = 2.307 BTC [-] 523531;1393166164;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1100 @ 0.00085743 = 0.9432 BTC [+] {6} 523532;1393166170;mircea_popescu;yeah i never realised just how small i guess. 523533;1393166200;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 523534;1393166202;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 621.38, Best ask: 622.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.62000, Last trade: 622.0, 24 hour volume: 26392.18547313, 24 hour low: 571.19, 24 hour high: 646.0, 24 hour vwap: 610.946532288 523535;1393166213;mircea_popescu;;;calc 0.00085192 * 610.9 523536;1393166214;gribble;0.520437928 523537;1393166222;mircea_popescu;in fairness it's more like 2/3 s.mpoe 523538;1393166230;mircea_popescu;apparently i got beaten to shit this quarter. 523539;1393166243;ThickAsThieves;don't let anyone ever say mp wasn't fair! 523540;1393166243;mircea_popescu;o january 1.2 bn mkt cap, where art thou! 523541;1393166281;ThickAsThieves;need to start more mmo clans 523542;1393166288;mircea_popescu;there should be a forbes list for bitcoin, derping about hao mp lost most of his wealth this quarter and is nao desperate!!1 523543;1393166297;Duffer1_;i'm guessing april..ish MP ^.^ 523544;1393166312;ThickAsThieves;hehe 523545;1393166312;mircea_popescu;cool. 523546;1393166328;pankkake;http://bitbet.us/bet/717/bitcoin-in-forbes-top-100-billionaires-list/ 523547;1393166331;mircea_popescu;i guess if i add up the various bitcoin guilds in games we get just about a circulation 523548;1393166332;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin in Forbes' Top 100 Billionaires list 523549;1393166363;ThickAsThieves;someone made a plugin for WoW 523550;1393166371;ThickAsThieves;to transfer btc 523551;1393166396;pankkake;so you can sell stuff ingame for btc? 523552;1393166404;ThickAsThieves;yeah 523553;1393166407;mircea_popescu;ayup 523554;1393166414;mircea_popescu;course wow is such inflation 523555;1393166424;pankkake;cool! but, does it have some kind of escrow? 523556;1393166427;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/ron-maimon-lubos-motl-and-other-internet-things-i-hear-of-today-for-the-very-first-time/#comment-98192 523557;1393166433;mircea_popescu;pankkake notrly. 523558;1393166448;ThickAsThieves;lame 523559;1393166471;mircea_popescu;why ? wow gold is worthless anyway 523560;1393166480;mircea_popescu;if op won't just send fuck them, plenty others. 523561;1393166500;pankkake;aren't chinese slaves farming it? it must be worth something 523562;1393166505;mircea_popescu;there's trillions of the stuff lying around. 523563;1393166511;mircea_popescu;pankkake buyer's market tho. 523564;1393166530;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.062695 = 0.1881 BTC [+] 523565;1393166957;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0627 = 0.4389 BTC [+] 523566;1393166958;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 93 @ 0.003194 = 0.297 BTC [-] 523567;1393167323;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.0032 = 0.1056 BTC [+] {2} 523568;1393167506;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 360 @ 0.0032 = 1.152 BTC [+] 523569;1393167507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00085493 = 4.6166 BTC [+] 523570;1393167567;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.0032 = 0.2944 BTC [+] {4} 523571;1393167933;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.10513226 = 0.4205 BTC [-] {2} 523572;1393168055;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00320342 = 0.2883 BTC [+] {2} 523573;1393168116;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 523574;1393168238;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06279 = 0.1884 BTC [+] 523575;1393168299;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00310104 = 0.6202 BTC [-] {2} 523576;1393168360;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.06279999 = 1.1932 BTC [+] 523577;1393168482;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06279999 = 0.1256 BTC [+] 523578;1393168713;BingoBoingo;.bait 523579;1393168714;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/95545a37883846930df4a7e2fd963e84/tumblr_mevwwnO4931rdthk0o1_500.jpg 523580;1393168717;BingoBoingo;.d 523581;1393168717;ozbot;3,129,573,174.52229 | Next Diff in 885 blocks | Estimated Change: 18.8556% in 4d 23h 39m 8s 523582;1393169001;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves check out this shit https://app.sponsoredtweets.com/tweeters 523583;1393169033;mircea_popescu;i bet you that if you hire any selection of them you want to tweet some muzak or w/e you will sell less units than dollars spent ? 523584;1393169123;pankkake;finally, being a celebrity pays off 523585;1393169138;pankkake;lol some are cheap 523586;1393169204;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1652087/plain/) 523587;1393169204;mircea_popescu;!b 4 523588;1393169207;BingoBoingo;I have just lost my faith in Bob Villa 523589;1393169219;mircea_popescu;there's jose canseco in there which is why i linked him 523590;1393169275;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.0031184 = 0.3306 BTC [-] {2} 523591;1393169313;BingoBoingo;Jose Canseco is supposed to be cheap and trashy nowadays though. 523592;1393169336;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 701 @ 0.00315524 = 2.2118 BTC [+] {13} 523593;1393169361;Bugpowder;So who gave me op in mtgox-chat? 523594;1393169392;pankkake;perhaps because of the splits? 523595;1393169397;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4850005 = 0.97 BTC [-] {2} 523596;1393169439;Bugpowder;I just joined again and still have it? 523597;1393169459;Bugpowder;I feel so powerful. 523598;1393169519;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 799 @ 0.00321636 = 2.5699 BTC [+] {5} 523599;1393169555;mircea_popescu;time for an opban war 523600;1393169571;mircea_popescu;"Former reality TV star and model." 523601;1393169575;mircea_popescu;holy shit that's low. 523602;1393169580;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 133 @ 0.00305 = 0.4057 BTC [-] {4} 523603;1393169693;mircea_popescu;"Famous For: Has been in the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit issue for 8 consecutive years!" 523604;1393169700;mircea_popescu;Bio: Supermodel. 523605;1393169702;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00305 = 0.1007 BTC [-] 523606;1393169703;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.4802004 = 2.401 BTC [-] {2} 523607;1393169705;mircea_popescu;i wonder what a "submodel" is then 523608;1393169732;mircea_popescu;cause srsly... not even a cover ? not even a decade ago ? any 16yo can make the cover ffs. 523609;1393169763;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+] 523610;1393169824;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1011 @ 0.0032193 = 3.2547 BTC [+] {6} 523611;1393169885;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.4899966 = 1.47 BTC [+] {3} 523612;1393169886;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 370 @ 0.00305053 = 1.1287 BTC [-] {5} 523613;1393170063;ThickAsThieves;<mircea_popescu> there's jose canseco in there which is why i linked him /// lol this is one ugly link...ick 523614;1393170099;mircea_popescu;note that i don't really know what the guy is supposed to be 523615;1393170101;mircea_popescu;rapper ? 523616;1393170106;ThickAsThieves;jose? 523617;1393170118;ThickAsThieves;was a good slugger (baseball) 523618;1393170128;ThickAsThieves;now he's a reality derp 523619;1393170137;ThickAsThieves;more like former reality show derp 523620;1393170187;BingoBoingo;Yeah, he was busted for steroids before that was expected of people who hit baseballs like him. 523621;1393170190;mircea_popescu;oh 523622;1393170226;mircea_popescu;btw, people who are for legalisation : sports dope too ? 523623;1393170235;BingoBoingo;Yeah. 523624;1393170252;mircea_popescu;cause it's the perfect examplke of why i'm against. if it's legal then it's mandatory, cause if you can you must. 523625;1393170266;mircea_popescu;soon enough the things competing in sports look about as human as the things competing in special olympics 523626;1393170286;mircea_popescu;we have two sets of special olympics : for the chemically imbalanced type 1 and for the chemically imbalanced type 2. 523627;1393170318;ThickAsThieves;this doesnt make sense to me 523628;1393170324;mircea_popescu;specifically ? 523629;1393170328;ThickAsThieves;a drug can be illegal but not allowed in a sport 523630;1393170333;ThickAsThieves;i mena legal 523631;1393170353;mircea_popescu;isn't it self-defeating to be pro legalisation in society but not in sport ? 523632;1393170357;mircea_popescu;it's either good or bad. 523633;1393170361;ThickAsThieves;no 523634;1393170365;ThickAsThieves;also makes no sense 523635;1393170368;mircea_popescu;now this i gotta hear. 523636;1393170371;mircea_popescu;what do you mean no ? 523637;1393170372;ThickAsThieves;it's not a matter of good or bad 523638;1393170385;mircea_popescu;so on what grounds can you allow people to X but not athletes ? 523639;1393170407;ThickAsThieves;conflict of values must always be managed in a collective effort 523640;1393170416;mircea_popescu;wat 523641;1393170419;ThickAsThieves;the grounds that it's my league and fuck you 523642;1393170430;mircea_popescu;so then i hardly see what argument you have against the usg. 523643;1393170435;mircea_popescu;it's their league and fuck you. 523644;1393170442;ThickAsThieves;league is voluntary 523645;1393170447;mircea_popescu;so is us. 523646;1393170451;ThickAsThieves;ont play the sport if you wanna do that drug 523647;1393170453;mircea_popescu;you dun like it split. 523648;1393170459;ThickAsThieves;correct 523649;1393170471;mircea_popescu;so then you basically got nothing. 523650;1393170485;ThickAsThieves;both can be true is all 523651;1393170495;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00305 = 0.1312 BTC [-] {2} 523652;1393170499;ThickAsThieves;drugs legal in law but not in clubs 523653;1393170523;mircea_popescu;but if you support them being illegal in clubs, you really have no grounds to oppose them being generally illegal. 523654;1393170528;mircea_popescu;same exact arguments will be brought. 523655;1393170540;mircea_popescu;"o, club trying to forbid drugs is only causing clashes at the gate" 523656;1393170542;ThickAsThieves;lol you apply this type of logic to all things? 523657;1393170545;mircea_popescu;yup 523658;1393170549;mircea_popescu;it's what logic is for. 523659;1393170555;ThickAsThieves;nah 523660;1393170565;mircea_popescu;who invented "types" of logic anyway 523661;1393170582;ThickAsThieves;i cna smoke a cigarette in my own terms, but when i have to mix the values of others i must compromise 523662;1393170595;mircea_popescu;what values bs. 523663;1393170598;ThickAsThieves;well there are two types of logic 523664;1393170598;mircea_popescu;we're not discussing values here. 523665;1393170605;ThickAsThieves;1 that is actually logic, and one that pretends 523666;1393170612;mircea_popescu;lol k. 523667;1393170617;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.0032 = 3.2 BTC [+] 523668;1393170623;mircea_popescu;so there's logic and then there's derpage. we agree. 523669;1393170624;chetty;clubs in the sports sense are 'public accommodations' , so what they gonna do, exclude blacks and gays too? 523670;1393170641;mircea_popescu;chetty no, only X, not Y. because type of logic. 523671;1393170674;chetty;that logic makes my head hurt 523672;1393170678;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2066 @ 0.00321837 = 6.6492 BTC [+] {5} 523673;1393170691;BingoBoingo;The sports dope arms race has a lulzy endgame though. Castrations because natural hormones aren't as good as the sports dope versions. Eventually an equilibrium occurs where either the people competing at the highest level have testacles or not. 523674;1393170693;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'm done for today! catch y 523675;1393170695;mircea_popescu;all tomorrow 523676;1393170739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0032 = 0.64 BTC [-] 523677;1393170753;ThickAsThieves;there could also be safety arguments in sports 523678;1393170756;ThickAsThieves;to not allow drug use 523679;1393170766;ThickAsThieves;endangering your teammates etc 523680;1393170792;BingoBoingo;Probably depends on the sport and the drug. 523681;1393170815;ThickAsThieves;i dont see why drugs cant be legal in home but diaallowed in organizations that choose too 523682;1393170829;ThickAsThieves;it's not like drugs are a basic human right or some shit 523683;1393170861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 546 @ 0.00323988 = 1.769 BTC [+] {4} 523684;1393170908;BingoBoingo;Baseball would probably be better if they just let leaded coffee back into the clubhouse instead of going through this pretense http://www.baseballnation.com/2012/6/29/3104332/is-there-an-adhd-epidemic-in-major-league-baseball 523685;1393170922;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 100 @ 0.00311511 = 0.3115 BTC [-] {6} 523686;1393170923;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1070 @ 0.00323667 = 3.4632 BTC [-] {3} 523687;1393170945;ThickAsThieves;no, baseball is just boring 523688;1393170983;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.003233 = 0.3071 BTC [-] {2} 523689;1393171058;BingoBoingo;Most sports are fundamentally boring when they aren't understood. 523690;1393171077;ThickAsThieves;i understand baseball 523691;1393171091;ThickAsThieves;i worked for the sports section at a newspaper for 2 years 523692;1393171105;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00323 = 1.615 BTC [-] 523693;1393171115;ThickAsThieves;it's boring 523694;1393171203;ThickAsThieves;anyone else see strange characters in the Recent Trades box here: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/order.php?symbol=NEOBEE 523695;1393171219;Jere_Jones;no 523696;1393171227;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 280 @ 0.00322128 = 0.902 BTC [-] {2} 523697;1393171252;ThickAsThieves;hmm 523698;1393171288;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 980 @ 0.0031 = 3.038 BTC [-] 523699;1393171410;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 181 @ 0.00322199 = 0.5832 BTC [+] {2} 523700;1393171471;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00323999 = 6.48 BTC [+] {2} 523701;1393171532;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00323999 = 6.48 BTC [+] {3} 523702;1393171776;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 484 @ 0.00081244 = 0.3932 BTC [-] {5} 523703;1393171777;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 128 @ 0.00323276 = 0.4138 BTC [+] {3} 523704;1393172264;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00312 = 0.624 BTC [-] 523705;1393172386;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11188887 BTC [+] 523706;1393172874;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 120 @ 0.0055 = 0.66 BTC 523707;1393173179;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11188887 = 0.3357 BTC [+] 523708;1393173301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00085493 = 1.9663 BTC [+] 523709;1393173484;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.11189721 = 2.2379 BTC [+] {3} 523710;1393174033;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00044998 = 0.135 BTC [+] {4} 523711;1393174216;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49833332 = 1.495 BTC [+] {3} 523712;1393174338;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00323299 = 0.1261 BTC [+] 523713;1393174582;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00323299 = 0.194 BTC [+] 523714;1393174583;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06279999 = 0.2512 BTC [+] 523715;1393174765;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.98537437 BTC to 2`471 shares, 80347 satoshi per share 523716;1393174948;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 701 @ 0.00322983 = 2.2641 BTC [+] {2} 523717;1393175253;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 392 @ 0.00323 = 1.2662 BTC [+] 523718;1393175375;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00322 = 0.161 BTC [-] {2} 523719;1393175619;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 341 @ 0.00323 = 1.1014 BTC [+] 523720;1393175680;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 278 @ 0.00323009 = 0.898 BTC [+] {3} 523721;1393175682;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.11000001 = 0.55 BTC [-] 523722;1393175741;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.003233 = 0.1617 BTC [+] 523723;1393175863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1938 @ 0.00085493 = 1.6569 BTC [+] {3} 523724;1393175925;kakobreklaa;www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-W1weeK2UA 523725;1393175931;kakobreklaa;this. shit. is .amazing. 523726;1393175931;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 523727;1393175951;kakobreklaa;srs, look at it, imagine you went in a zoo. 523728;1393175985;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00323299 = 0.2425 BTC [-] 523729;1393176046;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00323299 = 0.1455 BTC [-] 523730;1393176107;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 247 @ 0.00323299 = 0.7985 BTC [-] 523731;1393176168;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.10800001 = 0.216 BTC [-] 523732;1393176229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00085904 = 18.1257 BTC [+] {2} 523733;1393176269;ThickAsThieves;lol 523734;1393176290;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 309 @ 0.003232 = 0.9987 BTC [-] 523735;1393176291;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.10800001 BTC [-] 523736;1393176401;pankkake;fiat money is also based on a meme! 523737;1393176416;ThickAsThieves;"we're all going to the moon on generosity" 523738;1393176635;ThickAsThieves;the guy the runs the place is a character huh 523739;1393176656;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0032 = 0.64 BTC [-] 523740;1393176667;ThickAsThieves;"I have 12,00 domain names, I know everything about bitcoin, everything." 523741;1393176672;ThickAsThieves;12000* 523742;1393176695;kakobreklaa;told ya its good material. 523743;1393176769;Jere_Jones;Speaking of domain names, I have merkletree.com coming up for renewal and I'm not going to do anything with it. Can anybody use it? 523744;1393176779;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.003232 = 0.32 BTC [+] 523745;1393176986;benkay;how is the ukraine doing today? 523746;1393177083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 182 @ 0.0055 = 1.001 BTC 523747;1393177160;ThickAsThieves;" 523748;1393177163;ThickAsThieves;"Yesterday, just days after its high-profile $16 billion acquisition by Facebook, the Whatsapp messaging service suffered an unprecedented four hours of downtime. " 523749;1393177172;ThickAsThieves;"the culprit was a faulty network router" 523750;1393177207;benkay;network engineering is hard! 523751;1393177388;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 493 @ 0.003232 = 1.5934 BTC [+] 523752;1393177449;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 94 @ 0.00323299 = 0.3039 BTC [+] 523753;1393177754;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 46 @ 0.003232 = 0.1487 BTC [-] {3} 523754;1393177902;benkay;;;ticker --market mtgox 523755;1393177903;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 329.1, Best ask: 329.4, Bid-ask spread: 0.30000, Last trade: 333.0, 24 hour volume: 44077.39346478, 24 hour low: 177.1, 24 hour high: 348.98, 24 hour vwap: 260.56546 523756;1393178059;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 439 @ 0.003232 = 1.4188 BTC [-] 523757;1393178120;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 561 @ 0.003232 = 1.8132 BTC [-] 523758;1393178181;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 339 @ 0.003232 = 1.0956 BTC [-] 523759;1393178242;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 262 @ 0.00323618 = 0.8479 BTC [+] {3} 523760;1393178303;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 230 @ 0.00324956 = 0.7474 BTC [+] {3} 523761;1393178852;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.499 = 0.998 BTC [+] 523762;1393178854;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 26 @ 0.06090223 = 1.5835 BTC [-] {10} 523763;1393178913;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [-] {2} 523764;1393179157;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 79 @ 0.00493876 = 0.3902 BTC [+] {3} 523765;1393179707;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 800 @ 0.00015497 = 0.124 BTC [+] {3} 523766;1393179828;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05800334 = 0.174 BTC [-] {2} 523767;1393179830;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.499 BTC [+] 523768;1393179831;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.1 = 0.5 BTC [-] 523769;1393180011;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1209 @ 0.00016099 = 0.1946 BTC [+] {3} 523770;1393180072;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06 = 0.12 BTC [+] 523771;1393180255;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 49 @ 0.00319 = 0.1563 BTC [+] 523772;1393180377;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.00323175 = 0.3135 BTC [+] {3} 523773;1393180560;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1920 @ 0.0001615 = 0.3101 BTC [+] {3} 523774;1393180682;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8000 @ 0.00016499 = 1.3199 BTC [+] {5} 523775;1393180987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00323199 = 0.3232 BTC [+] 523776;1393181090;ThickAsThieves;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHIRTfZ_20E#t=185 523777;1393181117;ozbot;Sex positions - Part 1 (Wheelchair user) (Paraplegic) - YouTube 523778;1393181762;ThickAsThieves;http://imgur.com/DIS3c0E 523779;1393181763;ozbot;The developers for Neo & Bee have this on the outside of their office - Imgur 523780;1393181857;pankkake;the image confuses my brain 523781;1393182040;jurov;ThickAsThieves: is that the apple ssl code? 523782;1393182097;pankkake;on the top, copyrigts are Satoshi Nakamoto then Bitcoin Developers ;) 523783;1393182145;Apocalyptic;it's more likely some bitcoin code 523784;1393182193;benkay;sublime text? really? 523785;1393182214;ThickAsThieves;let's just hope they've implemented their cryptography without flaw 523786;1393182238;jurov;tomorrow they have flagship opening..moar swag photos upcoming 523787;1393182248;pankkake;the best way to have no flaw in your crypto is to not write it 523788;1393182258;jurov;will there be neobee condoms, too? 523789;1393182299;pankkake;you're onto something; shouldn't bitcoin come with lube? :) 523790;1393182330;ThickAsThieves;i bet there are doge condoms 523791;1393182351;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/1xx4fl/much_sex_so_safe_wow_its_the_great_dogecondom/ 523792;1393182353;ozbot;Much Sex So Safe! Wow! It's the Great Dogecondom Design Contest! Submit your condom wrapper designs 523793;1393182374;jurov;*tat dodges the neobee question* 523794;1393182388;pankkake;doges* 523795;1393182396;ThickAsThieves;i assumed you werent serious about neo condoms 523796;1393182409;jurov;comdoms are serious!!!1 523797;1393182472;KRS-One;seriously uncomfortable..nothing like the real fucking thing 523798;1393182634;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00323198 = 0.1745 BTC [+] 523799;1393182695;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 839 @ 0.00323199 = 2.7116 BTC [+] {3} 523800;1393182756;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 933 @ 0.00325147 = 3.0336 BTC [+] {6} 523801;1393182817;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 403 @ 0.00323198 = 1.3025 BTC [-] {2} 523802;1393182939;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 254 @ 0.00328999 = 0.8357 BTC [+] {2} 523803;1393182969;bitcoinpete;Dogeparty 2014: irllol 523804;1393183000;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15417 @ 0.00015172 = 2.3391 BTC [-] {15} 523805;1393183244;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1515 @ 0.00328878 = 4.9825 BTC [-] {5} 523806;1393183305;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06 = 0.12 BTC [+] 523807;1393183469;mod6;(09:19) < kakobreklaa> srs, look at it, imagine you went in a zoo << LOL "175 doge = 1 cupcake" 523808;1393183562;mod6;"WE'RE ALL GOIN TO THE MOON!" such amaze 523809;1393183649;bitcoinpete;mod6 just some priceless specimens there 523810;1393183682;mod6;lmao @ this vid 523811;1393183793;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 309 @ 0.00329854 = 1.0192 BTC [-] {4} 523812;1393183854;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 310 @ 0.0032 = 0.992 BTC [-] 523813;1393183910;mod6;"i own 12,000 domain names, I know everything about bitcoin, I probably know most of the damn people who own the bitcoin ..." 523814;1393183915;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1036 @ 0.00329654 = 3.4152 BTC [+] {5} 523815;1393183976;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.11406426 = 1.5969 BTC [+] {6} 523816;1393183977;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.0033 = 0.1914 BTC [+] 523817;1393183978;mod6;such scamcoin 523818;1393183992;bitcoinpete;the scammiest lol 523819;1393184037;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 47 @ 0.00329997 = 0.1551 BTC [-] 523820;1393184041;benkay;pankkake: why u no let me assass on mah fone? 523821;1393184075;mod6;thx for the link kakobrekla 523822;1393184081;pankkake;benkay: if you have an iPhone, you are an enemy of freedom. no site for you 523823;1393184098;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00329999 = 1.65 BTC [+] 523824;1393184110;benkay;i'm just a slave under the regime! don't make me suffer *more*! 523825;1393184115;pankkake;:) 523826;1393184160;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1904 @ 0.00329996 = 6.2831 BTC [-] {8} 523827;1393184189;pankkake;the rule is global to my server, so I can't really disable it for one domain 523828;1393184222;kakobrekla;mod6 , yeah vexual and krs1 should look up to it 523829;1393184255;mod6;such lulz 523830;1393184281;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2108 @ 0.0033 = 6.9564 BTC [+] {2} 523831;1393184525;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2688 @ 0.00014028 = 0.3771 BTC [-] {9} 523832;1393184679;bitcoinpete;http://arxiv.org/pdf/1402.3612v1.pdf 523833;1393184697;bitcoinpete;"The complex architecture of primes and natural numbers" 523834;1393184708;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3990 @ 0.00013217 = 0.5274 BTC [-] {10} 523835;1393184771;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.11759998 = 0.588 BTC [+] 523836;1393184830;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.11759999 = 0.8232 BTC [+] {2} 523837;1393184832;benkay;heavy 523838;1393184836;benkay;bitcoinpete ^^ 523839;1393184855;bitcoinpete;"The importance of primes transcend theoretical aspects, and practical applications include public key cryptography algorithms and pseudorandom number generators " 523840;1393184891;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 83 @ 0.003333 = 0.2766 BTC [+] {3} 523841;1393184932;davout;there is something i always wondered, how is a PRNG relevant to finding primes ? 523842;1393184945;davout;i mean, there's only so much primes under a certain boundary right 523843;1393184952;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 156 @ 0.003333 = 0.5199 BTC [+] {2} 523844;1393185006;davout;and the fact that you can factor RSA keys if you find two that share a prime makes me wonder whether we won't someday run out of usable ones 523845;1393185014;davout;(usable primes) 523846;1393185018;dignork;davout: if you mean finding primes for RSA, PRNG is only used to select a search range 523847;1393185093;davout;because the more know RSA keys exist, the weaker they collectively become 523848;1393185093;davout;s/know/known/ 523849;1393185093;davout;dignork: interesting 523850;1393185125;davout;dignork: the global search space must be mind-boggling if the PRNG is relied upon to select a search space that won't overlap with other search spaces from other known RSA keys 523851;1393185135;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.1178 = 0.589 BTC [+] 523852;1393185196;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5746 @ 0.00013001 = 0.747 BTC [-] {2} 523853;1393185318;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 387 @ 0.00333298 = 1.2899 BTC [-] {2} 523854;1393185440;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00322 = 0.644 BTC [-] 523855;1393185463;dignork;davout: the space is huge: let's say you're looking for a 2^1024 prime, which is not less than 2^1023, and roughly each 10th number is prime, you have ~2^1022 variants 523856;1393185501;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.003308 = 0.1654 BTC [+] {2} 523857;1393185563;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.48024402 = 6.7234 BTC [-] {4} 523858;1393185590;davout;dignork: as in 10% of the numbers above 2^1023 is a prime? 523859;1393185645;mjoiii__;ThickAsThieves, "recent trades" is showing some junk characters in my browser too 523860;1393185666;mjoiii__;the bitcoin symbol 523861;1393185690;benkay;;;later tell mircea_popescu social vcs is facebook + git/subversion/mercurial/etc - social + version control system 523862;1393185691;gribble;The operation succeeded. 523863;1393185733;dignork;davout: not exactly, but it's around 1/10, so even if I'm horribly wrong it's tsill in range of 2^1000 523864;1393185748;dignork;s/tsill/still/ 523865;1393185748;jurov;social control system :D 523866;1393185758;davout;nice 523867;1393185804;benkay;gamified work 523868;1393185806;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2004 @ 0.00333149 = 6.6763 BTC [-] {3} 523869;1393185810;benkay;bleugh 523870;1393185817;benkay;otoh 523871;1393185821;benkay;GETS MORE OUTTA WORKERS 523872;1393185824;benkay;so rock, hard place. 523873;1393185842;jurov;the 'density' of primes around t should be 1/lnt. 523874;1393185855;jurov;;;calc 1/ln(2^1024) 523875;1393185855;gribble;Error: 'ln' is not a defined function. 523876;1393185859;jurov;;;calc 1/log(2^1024) 523877;1393185859;gribble;Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number. 523878;1393185879;jurov;it's 0.0014088819 523879;1393185894;jurov;meand 1.4% of them should be primes, plenty enough 523880;1393185908;jurov;er..0.14% 523881;1393185912;davout;sounds like it 523882;1393185928;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4802 BTC [-] 523883;1393185932;dignork;jurov: yep, but still it's in 2^1000 range :) 523884;1393185966;davout;still, it sounds that because of the birthday paradox, the more RSA gets used, the weaker it becomes 523885;1393185979;dignork;fun with huge numbers is that you can be horribly wrong and it's still on the same order of magnitude - huge :) 523886;1393185985;davout;lol 523887;1393185994;bitcoinpete;qapla huge is right 523888;1393186014;jurov;birthday paradox doesn't stand a chance for 2^1000 bucket 523889;1393186073;jurov;oh, did phuctor find something yet? 523890;1393186102;davout;jurov: phuctor i dunno, but i heard some RSA keys were found to be weak 523891;1393186124;jurov;that was cause of poor (predictable) rng 523892;1393186133;davout;i see 523893;1393186140;davout;not because of birthday paradox 523894;1393186200;jurov;http://nosuchlabs.com/stats asciilifeform what does 35 duplicate moduli mean? 523895;1393186201;ozbot;So far: 523896;1393186236;jurov;it's normal or are these really weak keys? 523897;1393186294;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 891 @ 0.00333199 = 2.9688 BTC [+] 523898;1393186429;jurov;lol that favicon 523899;1393186488;davout;haha didn't notice 523900;1393186782;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 117 @ 0.003332 = 0.3898 BTC [+] {2} 523901;1393186843;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 219 @ 0.003332 = 0.7297 BTC [+] 523902;1393186871;davout;i'm in love with this woman -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ZWghQBoKk 523903;1393187026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14948 @ 0.00086797 = 12.9744 BTC [+] 523904;1393187087;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00333199 = 0.9996 BTC [-] 523905;1393187278;dignork;Ex0deus: regarding linux maintenance: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1043212 523906;1393187287;dignork;oops 523907;1393187392;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 880 @ 0.00333233 = 2.9325 BTC [+] {4} 523908;1393187575;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 660 @ 0.003332 = 2.1991 BTC [-] {2} 523909;1393187636;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 340 @ 0.003332 = 1.1329 BTC [-] 523910;1393187697;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 108 @ 0.00333299 = 0.36 BTC [+] {3} 523911;1393187758;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 372 @ 0.0033329 = 1.2398 BTC [-] {2} 523912;1393187881;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1500 @ 0.00333296 = 4.9994 BTC [+] {2} 523913;1393187941;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 93 @ 0.0033329 = 0.31 BTC [-] {2} 523914;1393188002;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 380 @ 0.0033301 = 1.2654 BTC [-] {3} 523915;1393188063;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.003332 = 0.3998 BTC [+] 523916;1393188368;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.003332 = 0.4998 BTC [+] 523917;1393188522;mod6;https://cheezburger.com/8079170048 523918;1393188523;ozbot;Untitled - Cheezburger 523919;1393188554;kakobrekla;lol 523920;1393188593;davout;such swag 523921;1393188673;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 230 @ 0.003332 = 0.7664 BTC [+] 523922;1393188683;dub;who dat is 523923;1393188741;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2014#523724 523924;1393188744;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 523925;1393188773;kakobrekla;take a look 523926;1393188856;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.11375 = 0.455 BTC [-] {2} 523927;1393188978;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 321 @ 0.00481194 = 1.5446 BTC [-] {10} 523928;1393188979;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.0033329 = 0.9999 BTC [+] 523929;1393188980;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.48014 = 2.4007 BTC [-] 523930;1393189161;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.003332 = 0.2332 BTC [-] 523931;1393189162;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11779999 = 0.2356 BTC [+] 523932;1393189466;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.11255555 = 1.013 BTC [-] {4} 523933;1393189527;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00081659 = 0.1633 BTC [-] {4} 523934;1393189540;bitcoinpete;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUpW18Exw8g 523935;1393189541;ozbot;Decentralized #DogeParty - YouTube 523936;1393189582;bitcoinpete;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcUWaVbC8wY 523937;1393189582;ozbot;Dogecoin: The Future Of All Trade And Commerce. - YouTube 523938;1393189588;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00333 = 0.2231 BTC [-] {2} 523939;1393189649;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 331 @ 0.00333 = 1.1022 BTC [-] {2} 523940;1393189668;pankkake;facepaw 523941;1393189688;davout;pankkake: LOL 523942;1393189955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 603 @ 0.00330247 = 1.9914 BTC [-] {6} 523943;1393189966;jurov;mpex.co/?mpsic=X.DGE anyone? 523944;1393189995;jurov;or what is the code? DGC? 523945;1393190000;pankkake;DOGE 523946;1393190011;pankkake;more characters, more valuable 523947;1393190016;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 917 @ 0.00318685 = 2.9223 BTC [-] {6} 523948;1393190073;kakobrekla;kraken sez its XDG 523949;1393190077;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.003329 = 0.223 BTC [+] 523950;1393190085;pankkake;well they also say XBT 523951;1393190095;kakobrekla;they are also retarded 523952;1393190138;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 183 @ 0.00332988 = 0.6094 BTC [+] {3} 523953;1393190199;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00332999 = 0.1865 BTC [+] {2} 523954;1393190357;ThickAsThieves;what's the cheapest one can get 12,000 domain names anyway? 523955;1393190443;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.0033 = 6.6 BTC [-] 523956;1393190565;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 301 @ 0.00332199 = 0.9999 BTC [+] 523957;1393190593;benkay;i was made sad: http://stackoverflow.com/a/7470912 523958;1393190613;benkay;"create an object with multiple values and return it" 523959;1393190615;benkay;bawww 523960;1393190626;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00333 = 0.1665 BTC [+] 523961;1393190680;jurov;every time this was necessary i saw untyped Array used 523962;1393190687;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 396 @ 0.00085745 = 0.3396 BTC [+] {4} 523963;1393190690;jurov;so i considered it defacto standard 523964;1393190726;benkay;huh thanks jurov 523965;1393190809;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 187 @ 0.00085747 = 0.1603 BTC [+] {2} 523966;1393190810;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00332999 = 0.2497 BTC [-] 523967;1393190850;pankkake;but can you do r1, r2 = butts(); ? 523968;1393190871;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11779998 BTC [+] 523969;1393190901;dignork;pankkake: not in java 523970;1393190902;benkay;i can't see through all the semicolons 523971;1393190906;benkay;help 523972;1393190914;benkay;drowni-- 523973;1393190920;pankkake;:( 523974;1393190931;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 402 @ 0.00333 = 1.3387 BTC [+] {2} 523975;1393191025;benkay;but what about different kinds of values? 523976;1393191031;benkay;argh 523977;1393191076;jurov;just return XML 523978;1393191083;jurov;XML solver errything 523979;1393191087;jurov;*solves 523980;1393191114;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 32 @ 0.0055 = 0.176 BTC 523981;1393191115;benkay;i... 523982;1393191236;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC 523983;1393191318;benkay;i am actually going to return an array of strings 523984;1393191322;BeanFactoryPostP;ouch BeanFactoryPostProcessor too long 523985;1393191322;benkay;because oh dear god save me 523986;1393191371;BeanFactoryPostP;don't forget to define them as global constants 523987;1393191419;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11779999 BTC [+] 523988;1393191496;benkay;global butt 523989;1393191537;benkay;more please davout 523990;1393191541;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00331 = 0.662 BTC [-] 523991;1393191600;davout;benkay: more what? music? 523992;1393191602;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 598 @ 0.00331 = 1.9794 BTC [-] 523993;1393191603;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11779999 = 0.3534 BTC [+] 523994;1393191607;benkay;cello in particular 523995;1393191614;davout;benkay: :3 523996;1393191634;benkay;i found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwjZnZDpXSA which has the same thing, but maybe more of 523997;1393191653;benkay;concerto in d, that is 523998;1393191659;davout;benkay: nice, i'll listen to this 523999;1393191678;davout;you want the mp3s of jacqueline dupré's C & D Haydn ? 524000;1393191701;davout;she is amazing 524001;1393191701;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 524002;1393191734;benkay;ooh that sounds lovely yah 524003;1393191866;davout;gimme a minute, imma install dropbox 524004;1393191892;benkay;no don't do it 524005;1393191894;benkay;it's a trap 524006;1393191898;davout;lol 524007;1393191912;davout;web version will do then 524008;1393191931;benkay;man we should really just share public keys and scp stuff to each other 524009;1393191951;benkay;and i'm not setting that up right now - dick deep in java oop spaghetti 524010;1393191978;davout;you don't need it to download, there is the "copy public URL" feature that's kinda neat 524011;1393191992;benkay;that is kinda neat 524012;1393192015;benkay;yeah man thats cool i'll always take good music :) 524013;1393192051;davout;i love to compare interpretations, sometimes it feels like the differences make for a completely different piece 524014;1393192264;davout;hah, the gendron cadenza on the C 1st mov. is superb 524015;1393192269;bitcoinpete;I really couldn't help myself here: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/dogederps/ 524016;1393192273;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1130 @ 0.00333081 = 3.7638 BTC [+] {3} 524017;1393192274;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.0008158 = 0.8158 BTC [-] {9} 524018;1393192294;bitcoinpete;mod6 thanks for the pic! 524019;1393192334;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1070 @ 0.00333299 = 3.5663 BTC [+] {3} 524020;1393192395;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 245 @ 0.003333 = 0.8166 BTC [+] 524021;1393192622;benkay;bitcoinpete: what are your bitcoinspirations? 524022;1393192731;mod6;haha bitcoinpete, np :] 524023;1393192761;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11749999 = 0.235 BTC [-] 524024;1393192987;bitcoinpete;benkay: haha for blogging? or why BTC in general? 524025;1393193085;benkay;open ended question 524026;1393193162;jurov;benkay and your? to use btc to liberate cascadia? 524027;1393193188;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 86 @ 0.003333 = 0.2866 BTC [+] 524028;1393193220;benkay;that's just a joke jurov ;) 524029;1393193231;benkay;a schtick as they say 524030;1393193270;jurov;:) 524031;1393193310;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 135 @ 0.003333 = 0.45 BTC [+] 524032;1393193311;jurov;oh, and i heard cascadian national animal will be tree octopus :D 524033;1393193315;bitcoinpete;Well, I find the level of intellectual rigour in this space to be the highest. BTC has the broadest scope of implications of pretty much anything I've yet encountered and that brings forth the most fascinating types of people. 524034;1393193331;bitcoinpete;It's a stimulating space, that's why I'm here 524035;1393193364;benkay;.bait 524036;1393193365;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/8893d68eafcd23a1e21e9103cad2c57e/tumblr_mlie66nLbn1so5dabo1_1280.jpg 524037;1393193377;benkay;now there's some stimulation 524038;1393193408;bitcoinpete;titilating 524039;1393193425;davout;benkay: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RaZ7btje5Jo/TJ7VObLtCdI/AAAAAAAAA1I/s5htkxq62JA/s1600/nudecellist.jpg 524040;1393193435;benkay;cute 524041;1393193456;davout;the chick looks good too 524042;1393193480;benkay;sho nuff 524043;1393193559;pankkake;don't know why but women with string instruments do something for me 524044;1393193615;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.10302984 = 1.0303 BTC [+] {7} 524045;1393193624;bitcoinpete;benkay basically, my bitcoinspiration, such as it is, is not being bored. and yours? 524046;1393193920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00087548 = 6.2159 BTC [+] 524047;1393194130;benkay;i think not coining words like that is mine. 524048;1393194173;davout;benkay: https://www.dropbox.com/s/oegb7af4b827rjg/Jacqueline%20du%20Pr_-%20Vionlincello%20%2B%20Barbirolli%20-%20Lon%20Sym%20O.zip 524049;1393194197;*;benkay downloads 60 megs of binary to disk from a stranger's dropbox 524050;1393194212;benkay;davout auth plz 524051;1393194214;benkay;jkjk 524052;1393194215;davout;benkay: come in the van, i have candy 524053;1393194236;davout;it's not public? 524054;1393194290;benkay;davout: it's public, i was asking something else 524055;1393194292;benkay;;;gettrust davout 524056;1393194293;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user davout: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=davout | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=davout | Rated since: Thu Jan 27 16:22:24 2011 524057;1393194309;davout;what was it you were asking 524058;1393194331;benkay;i was joking that i want you to auth with gribble before i download your .zip 524059;1393194342;davout;haha I GET IT KNOW! 524060;1393194347;benkay;ding ding ding 524061;1393194387;davout;you better not unzip the first stranger you meet, jus saying 524062;1393194395;dexX7;lol 524063;1393194400;davout;>D 524064;1393194403;dexX7;i wasn't expecting music when i started the download 524065;1393194424;davout;dexX7: the tranny porn is in a private folder 524066;1393194430;benkay;to the logs with you, dexX7 524067;1393194485;davout;mtgox lately -> http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/46398991.jpg 524068;1393194574;dexX7;hehe 524069;1393194591;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 689 @ 0.0033 = 2.2737 BTC [+] 524070;1393194774;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 384 @ 0.0033 = 1.2672 BTC [+] {4} 524071;1393194775;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.113 BTC [-] 524072;1393194835;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 303 @ 0.0033 = 0.9999 BTC [+] 524073;1393194896;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0055 = 1.1 BTC 524074;1393194941;praeconium;Are there some kind of rating services for crypto currencies? How to compare them? 524075;1393194957;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.0032987 = 0.1352 BTC [-] 524076;1393195065;kakobrekla;yes 524077;1393195105;benkay;no 524078;1393195139;pankkake;if coin.name == 'bitcoin': return True 524079;1393195140;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 463 @ 0.00325 = 1.5048 BTC [-] {2} 524080;1393195156;jurov;goto fail; 524081;1393195169;assbot;Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1652573/plain/) 524082;1393195169;kakobrekla;!b 10 524083;1393195262;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 524084;1393195384;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 36 @ 0.0055 = 0.198 BTC {2} 524085;1393195385;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00329869 = 0.2309 BTC [+] 524086;1393195506;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 900 @ 0.00043 = 0.387 BTC [-] 524087;1393195575;peterl;is NeoBee IPO over now? 524088;1393195682;dexX7;from lmb-holdings.com: ... and there are 2756311 of Shares available, out of which 15653 are locked. 524089;1393195689;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00328 = 0.164 BTC [-] 524090;1393195811;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 470 @ 0.00329869 = 1.5504 BTC [+] 524091;1393195872;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 136 @ 0.0032987 = 0.4486 BTC [+] 524092;1393195933;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 151 @ 0.0032987 = 0.4981 BTC [+] 524093;1393196055;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 160 @ 0.0032987 = 0.5278 BTC [+] 524094;1393196087;benkay;such demand 524095;1393196096;benkay;neomoon 524096;1393196102;kakobrekla;over 9000 satoshi 524097;1393196116;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 303 @ 0.00329869 = 0.9995 BTC [-] 524098;1393196121;benkay;!t h neobee 524099;1393196122;assbot;[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00301100 / 0.00324505 / 0.00333300 (63246 shares, 205.23638306 BTC), 7D: 0.00278000 / 0.00316807 / 0.00333300 (86852 shares, 275.15330922 BTC), 30D: 0.00257150 / 0.00302647 / 0.00333300 (231394 shares, 700.30791976 BTC) 524100;1393196136;benkay;!t h rent 524101;1393196138;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (760 shares, 4.18000000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (4034 shares, 22.18700000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (36390 shares, 200.14500000 BTC) 524102;1393196149;benkay;lookit that, almost 3x rentalstarter 524103;1393196177;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00329 = 0.125 BTC [-] 524104;1393196238;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.103999 = 0.208 BTC [+] {2} 524105;1393196239;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00329 = 0.1316 BTC [-] 524106;1393196241;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 524107;1393196299;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 719 @ 0.00329 = 2.3655 BTC [-] {3} 524108;1393196343;benkay;heuristic average neo trade size ~3B 524109;1393196360;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.0033 = 1.155 BTC [+] {2} 524110;1393196371;benkay;probably erring on the high side honestly 524111;1393196421;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 244 @ 0.0033 = 0.8052 BTC [+] {2} 524112;1393196482;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00333 = 1.332 BTC [+] {2} 524113;1393196543;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 739 @ 0.0008576 = 0.6338 BTC [+] {4} 524114;1393196665;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 218 @ 0.00333 = 0.7259 BTC [+] 524115;1393196970;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3000 @ 0.00322561 = 9.6768 BTC [-] {5} 524116;1393197397;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [+] 524117;1393197946;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.003299 = 0.2573 BTC [+] 524118;1393198069;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 273 @ 0.0033 = 0.9009 BTC [+] {2} 524119;1393198312;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1042 @ 0.0033 = 3.4386 BTC [+] {2} 524120;1393198434;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06149996 = 0.246 BTC [+] {2} 524121;1393198436;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 309 @ 0.0033 = 1.0197 BTC [+] {2} 524122;1393198495;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 173 @ 0.0033 = 0.5709 BTC [+] {2} 524123;1393198496;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 28 @ 0.0615 = 1.722 BTC [+] 524124;1393198617;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 40 @ 0.0615 = 2.46 BTC [+] 524125;1393198618;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 117 @ 0.003299 = 0.386 BTC [-] 524126;1393198678;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.0615 = 0.738 BTC [+] 524127;1393198739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 651 @ 0.003299 = 2.1476 BTC [-] {3} 524128;1393198919;benkay;well that was nice davout thank you 524129;1393198922;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 93 @ 0.003299 = 0.3068 BTC [-] 524130;1393199837;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 432 @ 0.00329927 = 1.4253 BTC [+] {3} 524131;1393199898;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.0033 = 0.1155 BTC [+] 524132;1393200020;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 445 @ 0.0033 = 1.4685 BTC [+] 524133;1393200081;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 339 @ 0.0033 = 1.1187 BTC [+] 524134;1393200203;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.003299 = 0.4949 BTC [-] 524135;1393200508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00088258 = 10.6792 BTC [+] 524136;1393200508;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.003299 = 0.2474 BTC [-] 524137;1393200630;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.003299 = 0.3299 BTC [-] 524138;1393200691;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 91 @ 0.003299 = 0.3002 BTC [-] 524139;1393200762;bitcoinpete;;;later tell mircea_popescu cluck, cluck! Also, for the sake of curiosity, I'd be more interested in a car registry than a car club per se. Also also, ce nu the omoarà the intàreste. Noroc! 524140;1393200762;gribble;The operation succeeded. 524141;1393200813;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.003299 = 0.2111 BTC [-] 524142;1393200874;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 206 @ 0.003299 = 0.6796 BTC [-] 524143;1393200935;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.0033 = 0.2541 BTC [+] 524144;1393201301;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 88 @ 0.0055 = 0.484 BTC 524145;1393201302;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11749999 = 0.3525 BTC [+] 524146;1393201423;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.06279998 = 0.314 BTC [+] {2} 524147;1393201424;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.10101 = 0.404 BTC [-] 524148;1393201425;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-] 524149;1393201452;MisterE;http://www.tuaw.com/2014/02/19/apple-google-and-other-tech-companies-made-a-secret-pact-to-ke/?ncid=rss_trunhttps://sslimgs.xkcd.com/comics/automation.png 524150;1393201454;MisterE;oops 524151;1393201457;MisterE;wtf 524152;1393201458;MisterE;https://sslimgs.xkcd.com/comics/automation.png 524153;1393201483;MisterE;http://www.tuaw.com/2014/02/19/apple-google-and-other-tech-companies-made-a-secret-pact-to-ke/?ncid=rss_trun 524154;1393201484;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.06279999 = 0.314 BTC [+] 524155;1393201489;MisterE;both good 524156;1393201545;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.064 = 0.384 BTC [+] {3} 524157;1393202094;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 78 @ 0.11787558 = 9.1943 BTC [+] {7} 524158;1393202107;MisterE;http://www.eccouncil.org/ 524159;1393202277;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1438 @ 0.00332491 = 4.7812 BTC [+] {4} 524160;1393202582;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 181 @ 0.00333 = 0.6027 BTC [+] {2} 524161;1393202880;benkay;MisterE: re: wages, old news. 524162;1393202887;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00333 = 0.2531 BTC [+] 524163;1393203070;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.498 BTC [+] 524164;1393203436;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 409 @ 0.00333 = 1.362 BTC [+] {2} 524165;1393203462;the20year2;our volume on HL seems to be pretty good today.....wonder what happened 524166;1393203558;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 450 @ 0.00333 = 1.4985 BTC [+] {2} 524167;1393203863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20950 @ 0.00087798 = 18.3937 BTC [-] {2} 524168;1393203880;benkay;!t h neobee 524169;1393203881;assbot;[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00301100 / 0.00325251 / 0.00333300 (75607 shares, 245.91259058 BTC), 7D: 0.00278000 / 0.00318364 / 0.00333300 (99117 shares, 315.55323104 BTC), 30D: 0.00257150 / 0.00303986 / 0.00333300 (243755 shares, 740.98060618 BTC) 524170;1393203886;benkay;something to do with neobee i gather 524171;1393203914;the20year2;our stock has had good volume too because of it 524172;1393204168;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0033 = 0.165 BTC [-] 524173;1393204234;jayk_; 524174;1393204351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00087676 = 16.0447 BTC [-] {2} 524175;1393204351;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.11863 = 1.1863 BTC [+] {2} 524176;1393205022;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 365 @ 0.0033 = 1.2045 BTC [-] 524177;1393205023;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 40 @ 0.00425249 = 0.1701 BTC [+] {4} 524178;1393205083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4591 @ 0.00087548 = 4.0193 BTC [-] 524179;1393205205;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC 524180;1393205571;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC 524181;1393206242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20759 @ 0.00087508 = 18.1658 BTC [-] 524182;1393206425;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.1188 = 0.594 BTC [+] 524183;1393206486;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.11903991 = 2.3808 BTC [+] {6} 524184;1393206547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00087736 = 12.0198 BTC [+] {2} 524185;1393206974;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.0033 = 0.1254 BTC [-] 524186;1393207535;benkay;the20year2: it's not "volume" if you're only selling. 524187;1393207584;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41400 @ 0.0008829 = 36.5521 BTC [+] {4} 524188;1393207767;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 135 @ 0.003281 = 0.4429 BTC [-] 524189;1393207950;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.1198 = 0.3594 BTC [+] 524190;1393207952;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.0033 = 0.198 BTC [+] 524191;1393208011;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 325 @ 0.0033 = 1.0725 BTC [+] {2} 524192;1393208133;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.0033 = 0.1221 BTC [+] 524193;1393208255;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 151 @ 0.00328 = 0.4953 BTC [-] 524194;1393208560;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 81 @ 0.00328617 = 0.2662 BTC [+] {2} 524195;1393208621;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.0033 = 0.231 BTC [+] 524196;1393209170;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00085991 = 0.8599 BTC [+] {5} 524197;1393209292;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 21 @ 0.16230094 = 3.4083 BTC [-] 524198;1393209353;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00499178 = 0.4992 BTC [+] {5} 524199;1393209354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5660 @ 0.00088179 = 4.9909 BTC [-] 524200;1393209532;mircea_popescu;;;later tell benkay ah ah i see. 524201;1393209533;gribble;The operation succeeded. 524202;1393209719;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1500 @ 0.0033 = 4.95 BTC [+] 524203;1393209780;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.0033 = 0.1254 BTC [+] 524204;1393209841;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.0033 = 0.2244 BTC [+] {2} 524205;1393209902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19409 @ 0.00088179 = 17.1147 BTC [-] 524206;1393210146;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.1198 = 0.599 BTC [+] {2} 524207;1393210207;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.1199 = 0.4796 BTC [+] 524208;1393210208;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14678 @ 0.00087815 = 12.8895 BTC [-] 524209;1393210695;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3000 @ 0.003292 = 9.876 BTC [-] 524210;1393210756;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.003292 = 3.292 BTC [-] 524211;1393210757;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11974999 BTC [-] 524212;1393210939;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.11975 = 0.7185 BTC [+] 524213;1393211000;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.11975 = 2.874 BTC [+] 524214;1393211001;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0652 = 0.1304 BTC [+] 524215;1393211488;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3060 @ 0.00329738 = 10.09 BTC [+] {3} 524216;1393211549;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.0033 = 0.231 BTC [+] 524217;1393211671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30341 @ 0.00087907 = 26.6719 BTC [+] 524218;1393212117;dexX7;http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303426304579401883794330454 + http://pastebin.com/4ZFv0MXb 524219;1393212177;Duffer1;2 down 524220;1393212195;ozbot;Mt. Gox CEO Resigns From Bitcoin Foundation Board - WSJ.com 524221;1393212238;Duffer1;bitbet who's next? 524222;1393212281;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 743 @ 0.00015299 = 0.1137 BTC [-] 524223;1393212369;bloctoc;note to self, if offered a seat on the board, run. 524224;1393212379;bloctoc;away 524225;1393212411;the20year;They had been calling for him to resign 524226;1393212422;the20year;Who else resigned? 524227;1393212432;bloctoc;shrem 524228;1393212503;the20year;http://imgur.com/UrOOiYH 524229;1393212503;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 524230;1393212505;the20year;Holy crap 524231;1393212581;mircea_popescu;bloctoc good point 524232;1393212586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00088342 = 9.9385 BTC [+] 524233;1393212586;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.49958799 = 9.9918 BTC [+] {6} 524234;1393212587;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9121 @ 0.00016339 = 1.4903 BTC [+] {2} 524235;1393212617;cazalla;karpeles is a loser and i think he is a booser 524236;1393212628;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: http://thoughtinfection.com/2014/02/22/we-are-becoming-programmable-society/ 524237;1393212633;bloctoc;can someone explain that wall on bitstamp. I know it's declasse to talk about price action, but the20year just brought it up 524238;1393212640;mircea_popescu;o look who's here. thestringpuller when did oyu get out 524239;1393212650;mircea_popescu;bloctoc someone is selling like 8k 524240;1393212651;thestringpuller;they let me out of jail last week 524241;1393212656;thestringpuller;it's so weird on the outside 524242;1393212663;B007;jail? 524243;1393212665;mircea_popescu;finally can have cock in the other hole ? 524244;1393212667;thestringpuller;no it was a joke 524245;1393212673;thestringpuller;i've been locked away at my day job as a slave 524246;1393212697;B007;what's your day job? 524247;1393212699;thestringpuller;i just thought mircea_popescu would find that article interesting since he talkeda bout teh concept like a year ago 524248;1393212704;the20year;It's about 10k worth of BTC , trying to push market down 524249;1393212780;mircea_popescu;why necessarily meta ? can't people just sell stuff anymore ? 524250;1393212933;dexX7;confirmed https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=462 524251;1393212962;mircea_popescu;people harping on twitter about how women are the future of tech 524252;1393212966;mircea_popescu;mp: "Women are the future of tech like they are the present of governance. When it sucks they come to dominate it." 524253;1393212975;mircea_popescu;ensuing butthurt. 524254;1393213007;antephialtic;https://www.bitstamp.net/order_book 524255;1393213011;antephialtic;look at the asks 524256;1393213016;mircea_popescu;antephialtic look at the log 524257;1393213018;thestringpuller;lol bitbet is technically bound by gpg contract via prospectus. says in prospectus the methodology of how payouts/bet resolution occurs etc... 524258;1393213052;antephialtic;micrea_popescu: whoops 524259;1393213117;the20year;Where's the bitstamp orderbook? 524260;1393213166;mircea_popescu;the20year you just added a jpg 524261;1393213185;Jere_Jones;If I recall correctly, one of mircea_popescu's points about gpg contracts was that they are unenforcable and that they should be agreed to with the knowledge that they are unenforcable. 524262;1393213187;the20year;It was from /r/bitcoin 524263;1393213196;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 245 @ 0.0033 = 0.8085 BTC [+] {2} 524264;1393213225;the20year;Depends on the state i'd guess. Is it enforcable in your state? GPGs are not in mine, but online contracts can be certified 524265;1393213238;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones quote is better than paraphrase :) 524266;1393213257;mircea_popescu;you mean the gpg contracts trilema article ? 524267;1393213267;Jere_Jones;Looking for a quote 524268;1393213285;Jere_Jones;I've been reading a lot of trilema so it may take me a minute to find it. 524269;1393213414;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/ << you meant that ? 524270;1393213418;Jere_Jones;Ah. My mistake. Not "unenforcable". "Won't be enforced". 524271;1393213419;Jere_Jones;http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/ 524272;1393213434;mircea_popescu;aha. 524273;1393213446;mircea_popescu;see, the shit about me is that i write very subtly. these aren't the same. 524274;1393213529;Jere_Jones;Yeah. Certainly distinct. 524275;1393213533;ozbot;GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 524276;1393213533;ozbot;GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 524277;1393213539;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhLGGI4IcAA3bA5.jpg:large << check out lenin taking a ride 524278;1393213557;thestringpuller;yea trilema 524279;1393213619;thestringpuller;lol won't be enforced. the other guy says "self enforcing" i just found it interesting people are bringing these subjects up years later 524280;1393213648;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller there's this massive derpage re "we've found this technology which we'll pretend like and demand it does our work for us" 524281;1393213658;mircea_popescu;there was some good discussion here re why that's nonsense, lemme find it. 524282;1393213660;thestringpuller;blogger: "omg crytocontracts are new, they'll change things" bitcoin-assets: "Uh we've been using them for a few years now, we know." 524283;1393213728;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2014#496087 524284;1393213731;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 524285;1393213745;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] 524286;1393213759;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller pretty much. then "and they aren't for X anyway, they're for Y" then blogger "omfg you do not understand the holy cause of the future!!11" 524287;1393213784;benkay;a local businessman asked me about Ethereum and its "distributed autonomous corporations" recently. i sent him back a tome the gist of which was "come on man you run a business do you really think these nerds are going to code up an AI that can handle the ambiguity and indeterminacy of what we do? it mighta worked for S.D. and J.D. but shit at the end of the day those were driven just fine by humans!" 524288;1393213798;benkay;were/are 524289;1393213834;mircea_popescu;benkay except sd ipod on mpex not on ethereum 524290;1393213855;benkay;that is precisely my point. 524291;1393213865;benkay;those were driven just fine by humans. 524292;1393213889;mircea_popescu;anyway. kids gotta kid. 524293;1393213904;benkay;no ether-fueled turing computers necessary. 524294;1393213980;thestringpuller;TURING COMPLETE 524295;1393213994;benkay;turing my butt 524296;1393214016;benkay;compute my poop 524297;1393214024;kakobrekla;/cap req -identify-msg 524298;1393214029;kakobrekla;eh 524299;1393214032;mircea_popescu;can i sell tickets to "Touring benkay butt. The international butt tour!" ? 524300;1393214045;mircea_popescu;oooo 524301;1393214068;benkay;only if we figure out a way to use my poops as memory 524302;1393214080;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones you know the merchant of venice, do you ? 524303;1393214100;Jere_Jones;No 524304;1393214128;Jere_Jones;Oh. Shakespeare? 524305;1393214138;nicknode;benkay: ether is useless cause real word is messy, that it? 524306;1393214147;nicknode;real world, that is 524307;1393214152;benkay;people don't use the script system in bitcoin not 'cause it's not turing complete but because the needs ethereum satisfies are entirely imaginary. 524308;1393214172;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1044 @ 0.00322969 = 3.3718 BTC [-] {3} 524309;1393214173;benkay;nicknode to within an order of magnitude 524310;1393214185;benkay;how is your DAC going to handle the problem of vetting pantie suppliers from pakistan, india, china, etc? 524311;1393214187;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones yes. it's what people were discussing in that log link i gave above. my selection of it, ie http://trilema.com/2014/the-most-serene-republic-and-its-laws/ 524312;1393214216;mircea_popescu;and that readlist goes for nicknode too :D 524313;1393214397;benkay;i wonder what fraction of shit sold for btc is sold to people who just want to spend their bitcoins to fuel the consumer tech self-validation angle 524314;1393214425;mircea_popescu;considering i've not bought anything for btc in 2013... 524315;1393214448;benkay;what, humanskin notebooks not sold for btc? 524316;1393214450;mircea_popescu;i guess i bought some things, actually, not on the usual "here's my shop" sense 524317;1393214470;Duffer1;mp do you even lambo? 524318;1393214484;mircea_popescu;nope 524319;1393214513;mircea_popescu;i don't even drive. 524320;1393214538;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.5 = 5 BTC [+] 524321;1393214600;randomcloud;Did somebody ring for me? 524322;1393214608;dignork;mircea_popescu: gpg-contracts is a beautifull article. Thank you. 524323;1393214623;randomcloud;Oh BingoBoingo~ 524324;1393214633;mircea_popescu;dignork my pleasure. 524325;1393214636;mircea_popescu;randomcloud who're you ? 524326;1393214649;mircea_popescu;o wait, you're the randomcloud chick i remember nao 524327;1393214659;randomcloud;I got a saved message that I was wanted here for some reason 524328;1393214660;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.063 = 0.189 BTC [-] 524329;1393214667;randomcloud;And hi random famous bitcoin rich person 524330;1393214672;mircea_popescu;lol 524331;1393214677;randomcloud;Where's BingoBoingo? 524332;1393214691;mircea_popescu;either in jail or in a whiskey barrel 524333;1393214709;KRS-One;haha 524334;1393214759;randomcloud;So who needed me here and why? 524335;1393214790;benkay;from whom did this message originate, randomcloud 524336;1393214793;benkay;? 524337;1393214830;randomcloud;A bot in another room 524338;1393214839;randomcloud;It said someone sent a message 20 hours ago saying I was wanted in -assets 524339;1393214842;mircea_popescu;you mean gribble ? 524340;1393214842;randomcloud;*shrug* 524341;1393214857;Duffer1;interesting 524342;1393214867;randomcloud;No, not gribble, it's from another room where BingoBoingo and I hang out in; the message says he was the one who sent it 524343;1393214878;randomcloud;Damn it, now I'm gonna wonder what's going on the whole night. :/ 524344;1393214879;mircea_popescu;well so then he was the one who wanted you 524345;1393214896;mircea_popescu;check out the logs of here ~20 hours ago, 524346;1393214897;Jere_Jones;"But lend it rather to thine enemy, who, if he break, thou mayst with better face exact the penalty." lol 524347;1393214899;mircea_popescu;maybe it becomes obvious 524348;1393214965;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11500001 BTC [-] 524349;1393215083;benkay;hey guys what's the notion of estimating how much of your pot to bet on a thing of known odds and payout called? 524350;1393215088;benkay;optimal risk something or other? 524351;1393215113;benkay;risk pricing? 524352;1393215133;B007;lol 524353;1393215152;mircea_popescu;benkay http://trilema.com/2014/all-you-may-ever-need-to-know-of-financial-planning/ ? 524354;1393215157;nicknode;kelly betting is one method 524355;1393215159;mircea_popescu;ie, kelly criterion ? 524356;1393215164;benkay;0.01% chance of winning 1B - how ams even calculate 524357;1393215167;benkay;value of above 524358;1393215178;mircea_popescu;;;calc 0.01 * 10**9 524359;1393215178;gribble;10000000 524360;1393215180;nicknode;that is "EV" estimated value 524361;1393215200;mircea_popescu;i guess i missed some zeroes but you get the idea. 524362;1393215207;mike_c;EV = expected value 524363;1393215208;benkay;so it is a simple product 524364;1393215222;mircea_popescu;so sez bernoulli. 524365;1393215240;nicknode;how much to bet then becomes a question of expected value (or rather excess value, or "edge"), variance and account size 524366;1393215270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24294 @ 0.000885 = 21.5002 BTC [+] {2} 524367;1393215317;mike_c;kelly criterion is simple on a 1:1 payout - you bet your edge. that is if you have a 60% chance of winning on a 1:1 payout you bet 20% of your bankroll. 524368;1393215331;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00088629 = 7.6221 BTC [+] 524369;1393215331;benkay;hah 524370;1393215336;mike_c;more complicated on variable payouts, but the formulas are not complicated. 524371;1393215352;benkay;so i just realized the outsized returns of "startups" blind the average street "angel" to kelly criteria evaluation 524372;1393215378;mike_c;average street angels are not profitable 524373;1393215388;mircea_popescu;yes and yes. 524374;1393215397;mircea_popescu;welcome to being smarter than most people club. 524375;1393215403;benkay;well duh 524376;1393215443;benkay;plus the mythology and cult worship around google/yahoo/msft/etc totally throws everyone's radars out of whack 524377;1393215448;benkay;dude! 524378;1393215452;nicknode;i've always felt im part of that club, though i seem to never recognize the other members though 524379;1393215460;mircea_popescu;benkay consider this simple point : facebook overpaid by about 99.x% for that whatsapp thing. 524380;1393215468;benkay;someone tried to compare their shitty startup to google at me the other day 524381;1393215472;benkay;outta mah FACE 524382;1393215476;mircea_popescu;this yielded two results : telegraf now making noises about how they added 800k new users in the past 4 hours 524383;1393215479;mircea_popescu;rather than 1mn a day 524384;1393215497;mircea_popescu;and armchair generals going "i wonder who's the next to buy one of these. vodafone ? telefonica ?" 524385;1393215514;benkay;(telegraf?) 524386;1393215517;mircea_popescu;then i point out that this bs deal put the bar way wya topo high, which means there won't be more sales, as old money has more of a clue 524387;1393215523;mircea_popescu;(dunno some bs messaging app nobody heard of) 524388;1393215525;mike_c;i was reading about HP acquisition of autonomy the other day. numbers were something like "acquired for $11b. HP wrote off $8B" 524389;1393215533;mircea_popescu;and they go like o no, old money loses money through its teeth. 524390;1393215537;mircea_popescu;because they actually believe this shit. 524391;1393215551;mircea_popescu;so then i point out that telefonica makes 5bn net on 70bn revenue 524392;1393215559;mircea_popescu;whereas fb makes 1 bn net on 7 bn revenue 524393;1393215568;mircea_popescu;and so it's a chipmunk in the discussion. 524394;1393215580;mircea_popescu;so they retort that telefonica did in fact buy some messaging app 524395;1393215589;mircea_popescu;and lo and behold, they did indeed. for 70 MILLION 524396;1393215598;benkay;bahaha 524397;1393215612;mircea_popescu;and so then they run for the exists. 524398;1393215612;benkay;scammers scamming scammers 524399;1393215635;mircea_popescu;but one can't not stop to observe that yo! had you spent five minutes thinking things though on publicly available data, 524400;1393215642;mircea_popescu;you'd have not been a total derp 524401;1393215677;mircea_popescu;mike_c there must be some tax angle in all this i'm missing. 524402;1393215680;benkay;exits as in everything is ludicrously overvalued everyone going to cash this instant? 524403;1393215705;mike_c;the autonomy deal? accounting fraud that was only found after acquistion 524404;1393215718;mircea_popescu;benkay no exists as in, and i quote, "you lost me, all I said was WHO will start investing, didn't name an exit price, have a lovely Sunday :) " 524405;1393215724;dignork;mircea_popescu telegraf app is known, apaprently only in russia 524406;1393215726;mircea_popescu;not like he has dough to exit anyway. 524407;1393215747;mircea_popescu;dignork the fact that user numbers are like "views", ie easily and commonly faked is only known here, apparently. 524408;1393215759;mircea_popescu;mike_c ah i see. 524409;1393215806;mircea_popescu;anyway. this is, mostly, the bezzle. 524410;1393215825;dignork;mircea_popescu: i assume it's known since it creates a lot of media noise in russian language. media noise can be inflated as well, it just costs more than "views" 524411;1393215857;mircea_popescu;right. 524412;1393215862;mircea_popescu;meanwhile over at the stupid farm : 524413;1393215863;mircea_popescu;@TheBitcoinWife 6h 524414;1393215863;mircea_popescu;Staunch Bitcoin purists are missing out on the beautiful decentralization of innovation that is manifested in altcoins. Real time evolution! 524415;1393215870;mircea_popescu;@Mircea_Popescu 56m 524416;1393215870;mircea_popescu;@TheBitcoinWife @Beautyon_ Hon, you really need to drop by #bitcoin-assets. Yer the one missing out. http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=bitcoin-assets 524417;1393215875;mircea_popescu;@TheBitcoinWife 44s 524418;1393215875;mircea_popescu;@Mircea_Popescu @Beautyon_ Pls dont call me hon & patronize me. If you paid any attention youd know Im not "missing out." I LIVE for Bitcoin 524419;1393215881;mircea_popescu;how could you NOT patronize these idiots ? 524420;1393215892;mircea_popescu;i mean, she thinks it's because she's a woman, but it's merely because she's dumb. 524421;1393215997;the20year;Some people can't comprehend the fact that they're supid so they want to blame everyone else and call them names 524422;1393216028;mircea_popescu;kinda why calling people names is so effectual. 524423;1393216042;mircea_popescu;you call one of these schmucks names it's like a cataclysmic event in their little brain. 524424;1393216084;the20year;Don't even have to do that 90% of the time 524425;1393216099;the20year;Just say something that could potentially be taken the wrong way and all hell breaks loose 524426;1393216124;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5099 BTC [+] 524427;1393216273;benkay;oh my god bitcoinwife tweet feed or whatever they call is maybe worse than btctalk? 524428;1393216276;benkay;no, couldn't be... 524429;1393216279;benkay;but sheeeeit maybe 524430;1393216284;mircea_popescu;lol 524431;1393216287;mircea_popescu;but SHE LIVES FOR IT 524432;1393216290;Jere_Jones;"No, none that thou hast wit enough to make." lol 524433;1393216300;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones you see ? YOU SEE ? 524434;1393216313;benkay;wtf no deep link tweets? 524435;1393216314;Jere_Jones;I'm getting there 524436;1393216336;mircea_popescu;so as a bonus exercise for he who was smart enough to find the important spot, write an alternative future or description of what the prayer should hgave been 524437;1393216364;benkay;http://imgur.com/2TmId25 524438;1393216364;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 524439;1393216428;benkay;dumbest in the world award 524440;1393216436;benkay;so dumb cannot comprehend their own dumbness 524441;1393216441;benkay;words fail 524442;1393216535;benkay;THE HORROR http://imgur.com/elHxylT 524443;1393216551;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00328 = 0.328 BTC [-] 524444;1393216713;nubbins`;hi 524445;1393216830;Duffer1;Mrs.P TheBitcoinWife ‏@TheBitcoinWife 4h 524446;1393216832;Duffer1;@pbaril @bitcoin_girl IMO #MAX, #QRK & #DOGE differ from each other enough that unless you are day-trading alts, it'd be prudent to hold all 524447;1393216833;Duffer1;o.o 524448;1393216849;nubbins`;prudent 524449;1393216881;mod6;lol 524450;1393217035;mircea_popescu;lolk 524451;1393217043;Duffer1;prudent to hold all 524452;1393217044;Duffer1;the stuple has spoken 524453;1393217046;Duffer1;poverty is fun 524454;1393217054;mircea_popescu;werll if not fun at least prudent 524455;1393217057;mircea_popescu;DONT PATRONIZE HER 524456;1393217086;mod6;*smirk* 524457;1393217100;mircea_popescu;this is what the fucktarded activists have reduced the matter to. these are "women in tech" 524458;1393217101;Duffer1;ah shit i went 6 on the second line 524459;1393217109;mircea_popescu;hunter coin is adorable and she roots out for ken the most. 524460;1393217130;mircea_popescu;fucking despicable abuse of women to a degree not the loweliest slave in the most obscure african harem endures. 524461;1393217175;mircea_popescu;ahaha wait wait. "the proven leaders in crypto" max keiser ? 524462;1393217193;nubbins`;so there's this thing called the RPM Challenge, where interested parties may give themselves the task of writing and recording an album of music entirely during the month of february 524463;1393217195;KRS-One;well? who else had a coin named after them? 524464;1393217210;nubbins`;we decided to make a Dick Surgery album for RPM this year; listening to it now 524465;1393217216;Duffer1;proven leaders in crypto (7) 524466;1393217222;Duffer1;my haiku is saved thank you MP 524467;1393217226;mircea_popescu;nubbins` not bad 524468;1393217240;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: you're only saying that because you haven't heard it 524469;1393217241;nubbins`;HEH 524470;1393217282;mircea_popescu;benkay https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/437811089900711936 524471;1393217286;mircea_popescu;lmao 524472;1393217300;nubbins`;it's an aleatoric cacophony 524473;1393217304;mircea_popescu;what's so hard about making an album in a month. 3 days/song is over the average for pro pop these days. 524474;1393217310;nubbins`;but it's an excuse to submit a dick surgery to the CBC 524475;1393217316;nubbins`;and we can't pass that up 524476;1393217322;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: sure, but pro pop = $$ 524477;1393217328;mircea_popescu;well yeah 524478;1393217328;nubbins`;the music machine is costly 524479;1393217341;mircea_popescu;most girlies get about a week in the studio 524480;1393217350;nubbins`;rpm is largely an amateur/independent affair 524481;1393217351;mircea_popescu;for their "album" 524482;1393217364;nubbins`;although there's a shockingly high number of really good albums that come out of it each year 524483;1393217395;mircea_popescu;i guess some people aren't lazy bums 524484;1393217399;*;nubbins` nods 524485;1393217427;mircea_popescu;i had no idea how well my follow list protects me on twitter. 524486;1393217446;mircea_popescu;there's like fiddy billion of these retards who think they matter in btc because they have no life, and so they "live for bitcoin" 524487;1393217520;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 524488;1393217522;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 579.21, Best ask: 579.34, Bid-ask spread: 0.13000, Last trade: 579.34, 24 hour volume: 34513.61331147, 24 hour low: 566.22, 24 hour high: 646.0, 24 hour vwap: 605.031106652 524489;1393217599;nubbins`;;;seen thestringpuller 524490;1393217600;gribble;thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour and 19 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> TURING COMPLETE 524491;1393217710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00088779 = 5.9482 BTC [+] 524492;1393217712;cazalla;gee i hate that bitcoin wife bullshit, if that was my wife, i'd beat her 524493;1393217727;mircea_popescu;why ? 524494;1393217754;nubbins`;"the bitcoin wife" 524495;1393217755;nubbins`;eyeroll 524496;1393217830;the20year;I like the blog theme 524497;1393217850;the20year;Maybe we could use that type of theme for rentalstarter... 524498;1393217859;mircea_popescu;people with any smarts need to be convinced to start blogs. people who already have blogs... dun wanna use the noggin. it's a dilemma. 524499;1393217860;cazalla;too outspoken, her husband should do the speaking yet he is silent 524500;1393217876;mircea_popescu;cazalla i would guess the gimmick is that btc/satoshi is the husband 524501;1393217926;nubbins`;ehh, blogs are a burden 524502;1393217932;cazalla;i use to blog 524503;1393217937;nubbins`;used to, yep 524504;1393217945;cazalla;that is to say i paid indians to write barely legible shit and wrapped it in adsense 524505;1393217950;nubbins`;heh 524506;1393217952;cazalla;good times 524507;1393217971;mircea_popescu;everything worth doing is a burden 524508;1393217972;the20year;Used to be quite profitable, I made quite a bit of c oin hiring philipinos to blog for companies 524509;1393217980;nubbins`;sure, that's fair 524510;1393217981;the20year;and can be outsourced 524511;1393217985;mircea_popescu;business is a burden, children are a burden, womenz are a burden, fucking eating is a burden 524512;1393218003;nubbins`;if eating is a burden, you're doing it wrong 524513;1393218018;cazalla;yeah, i miss the pre panda/penguin days 524514;1393218019;nubbins`;hahahaha this album is fucked 524515;1393218019;mircea_popescu;you gotta chew... 524516;1393218033;kakobrekla;yes. 524517;1393218035;cazalla;i had so many 4slicetoaster.com websites plastered with their engrish 524518;1393218036;chetty;what you never got bored of chewing nubbins? 524519;1393218036;nubbins`;i honestly can't hear most of it when we play 524520;1393218042;nubbins`;because the drums are so goddamn loud 524521;1393218049;nubbins`;but this is fucking rich 524522;1393218074;mircea_popescu;drum cowbell ? 524523;1393218083;nubbins`;no cowbell, heavy on the cymbals tho 524524;1393218102;mircea_popescu;same deal. 524525;1393218109;nubbins`;chetty: sometimes my mouth gets tired, but only when it's a really delicious meal that i feel i need to eat quickly 524526;1393218131;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you know, just because for w/e reason you don't perceive it as a burden 524527;1393218133;mircea_popescu;doesn't mean it isn't. 524528;1393218135;the20year;sell wall on bitstamp is about halfway through 524529;1393218146;nubbins`;well, everything's a burden to some schmo 524530;1393218155;mircea_popescu;the20year idiot zonehenge "karpeles quits bf, price plumets" 524531;1393218172;mircea_popescu;totally infantile these people. and i mean, the bitcoinwife being a clueless bint is one thing 524532;1393218174;the20year;Seems like price has gone up to me 524533;1393218176;nubbins`;haha how drunk was i when we recorded this 524534;1393218189;nubbins`;the dogs got into a fight and we all started barking at them 524535;1393218220;mod6;its a never-ending parade of idiots commenting on twitter about bitcoin 524536;1393218299;mircea_popescu;mod6 commenting'd be one thing. 524537;1393218306;Jere_Jones;If not for http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/, most of http://trilema.com/2014/the-most-serene-republic-and-its-laws/ would have been lost on me. 524538;1393218314;mircea_popescu;the problem is they have the unmitigated audacity to pretend like they know what they're talking about. 524539;1393218337;mod6;very true. 524540;1393218342;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones bitcoin has proven leaders you see. max keiser et co :D 524541;1393218564;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 700 @ 0.00328406 = 2.2988 BTC [+] {2} 524542;1393218686;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 101 @ 0.0032 = 0.3232 BTC [-] {2} 524543;1393218747;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00088779 = 7.1467 BTC [+] 524544;1393218769;mircea_popescu;TIL nick szabo thinks peak oil is nonsense. 524545;1393218802;benkay;does he make coherent arguments on the topic? 524546;1393218842;benkay;oh the underwater mining routine? 524547;1393218844;mircea_popescu;sort-of. difficult to evail 524548;1393218849;mircea_popescu;http://szabo.best.vwh.net/miningthevastydeep.html 524549;1393218849;ozbot;Mining the Vasty Deep 524550;1393218904;mircea_popescu;Some perspective, even some purely theoretical perspective, is in order. If we look at the problem at the scale of the solar system, we find that hydrocarbons are remarkably common -- Titan has clouds and lakes of ethane and methane, for example, and there are trillions of tonnes of hydrocarbons, at least, to be found on comets and in the atmospheres and moons of the gas giant planets. What is far more scarce in the so 524551;1393218904;mircea_popescu;lar system is free oxygen. If there will ever be a "peak" in the inputs to hydrocarbon combustion in the solar system it will be in free oxygen -- which as a natural occurence is extremely rare beyond Earth's atmosphere, and is rather expensive to make artificially. 524552;1393218906;mircea_popescu;for instance. 524553;1393218912;mircea_popescu;this is in fact sound, at that scale. 524554;1393218965;mircea_popescu;and while the "Carbon" preoccupation is laughable on the part of hte "climate scientists", ie the dudes dressed in white coats on tv screens, 524555;1393218979;mircea_popescu;nevertheless it's a fact that oxygen saturation in atmosphere has been dropping for the past coupla centuries. 524556;1393219000;mircea_popescu;"fresh air" ain't quite as fresh as it used to be. 524557;1393219039;benkay;ocean mining is a thing i plan to do when properly capitalized. 524558;1393219062;mircea_popescu;to the tune of what, 100 trn ? 524559;1393219068;benkay;har 524560;1393219073;benkay;no, i think building robots 524561;1393219094;mircea_popescu;yeah but you'll need a coupla aircraft carriers + a bunch of nuke subs 524562;1393219100;mircea_popescu;just in case anyone gets uppity. 524563;1393219123;benkay;for what now? 524564;1393219135;mircea_popescu;protecting your exploration sites 524565;1393219140;mircea_popescu;you never played starcraft ? 524566;1393219166;benkay;o yeah 524567;1393219171;benkay;i see i see 524568;1393219205;KRS-One;starcraft ftw 524569;1393219223;mircea_popescu;ok wise assets of wisdom, i have a stupid question. 524570;1393219254;mircea_popescu;when i was a kid i loved a game, something like 3max or somesuch. it consisted basicalyl of this, you built robot metallic things, and fought over land an water against enemies. 524571;1393219264;mircea_popescu;sort of way cooler dune, and it had hotseat multiplayer 524572;1393219277;mircea_popescu;i could never find it again ;/ anyone know it ? 524573;1393219326;mircea_popescu;you could pick "races", one was musashi 524574;1393219330;mircea_popescu;it got bonus to planes iirc 524575;1393219357;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 304 @ 0.003289 = 0.9999 BTC [+] 524576;1393219389;nubbins`;TBF when you keep making people and stop making trees, the level of O2 is obv going to decline ;p 524577;1393219409;nubbins`;i for one welcome the arrival of intelligent plants 524578;1393219422;mircea_popescu;iirc algae actually produce more oxygen than trees 524579;1393219440;mircea_popescu;and in fact there's more of them today than 200 years ago, because we keep dumping all this organic and iron into the ocean 524580;1393219518;*;nubbins` shakes head 524581;1393219526;nubbins`;dead algae gobble oxygen 524582;1393219549;nubbins`;this is why people are worried about massive algal blooms in the ocean 524583;1393219555;benkay;nautilus minerals has apparently canceled their deep sea mining relationship with whichever tinpot country they were working with 524584;1393219577;mircea_popescu;benkay those are shares to hold 524585;1393219582;mircea_popescu;provided they'll actually not renege. 524586;1393219591;mircea_popescu;currently it's riskier to hold fiat shares than it is to hold bitcoin shares 524587;1393219601;mircea_popescu;provided you have the sense to identify which shares are worth holding in the first place. 524588;1393219639;benkay;nautilus shares? 524589;1393219651;benkay;i'd kill for some. or to work with them. 524590;1393219675;mircea_popescu;they're a penny stock neh ? 524591;1393219707;benkay;well, maybe holding stock is too much exposure 524592;1393219731;benkay;but robots man! i've always had a hardon for robots. i'd like to get back to hacking on robots, and of larger scale too. 524593;1393219754;benkay;yeah i bet nautilus needed a shitton of capital 524594;1393219766;benkay;aren't all exploration stocks penny stocks? 524595;1393219771;benkay;"we're gonna strike gooooold!" 524596;1393219779;mircea_popescu;nah not really 524597;1393219807;mircea_popescu;the way the exploration market works is, the governments holding explorable land spend some public money on support services for idiots. like i dunno, geologist support. 524598;1393219828;mircea_popescu;the idiots, who are people who wish to strike it big, take all the risk and go camp in the wild, whittling their lives away fighing the impossible odds of nature. 524599;1393219843;mircea_popescu;the smarter and luckier actually get exploration companies together, which have possibly valuable claims. 524600;1393219854;mircea_popescu;once a claim is actually worth enough, the majors buy them out. 524601;1393219864;mircea_popescu;pretty much all fields have a few majors in this business. 524602;1393219899;randomcloud;How do you know all of this crap? 524603;1393219901;benkay;there is one major difference with nautilus, however. 524604;1393219904;nubbins`;the process of procuring a claim here is a bit of an odd thing 524605;1393219911;mircea_popescu;randomcloud im a businessman. i know business. it's what i do. 524606;1393219914;nubbins`;once a year the canadian government sells titles 524607;1393219921;nubbins`;first come first serve 524608;1393219929;randomcloud;Do you do stuff just in bitcoin or outside of it? 524609;1393219933;nubbins`;the exploration companies pay bums to camp out in lineups for days/weeks 524610;1393219953;mircea_popescu;randomcloud i used to have a well paid consultancy before bitcoin swallowed me. 524611;1393219954;the20year;titles? 524612;1393219963;nubbins`;land titles 524613;1393219966;mircea_popescu;nubbins` aren't you describing the exact same thing ? :) 524614;1393219971;*;nubbins` thinks 524615;1393219972;randomcloud;Oh. That's pretty cool. 524616;1393219976;nubbins`;yes, i am 524617;1393219991;mircea_popescu;i kinda tried to give an abstraction, pretty much all countries with explorable land do some variant of it. 524618;1393219999;nubbins`;nod 524619;1393220000;mircea_popescu;possibly the russkis being the lulziest 524620;1393220004;nubbins`;canada's north is the hot spot these days 524621;1393220040;nubbins`;not just for minerals either, hence all the hand-waving and sabre-rattling around claims to the north pole 524622;1393220059;mircea_popescu;a war over the np would be cool. 524623;1393220067;mircea_popescu;"GERMANY INVADES SANTAS HOUSE!" 524624;1393220070;nubbins`;canada, russia, denmark 524625;1393220073;benkay;rendered irrelevant by deep sea mining though 524626;1393220079;mircea_popescu;benkay sort-of. 524627;1393220080;nubbins`;and the usa i guess, 'cos of alaska 524628;1393220094;mircea_popescu;benkay amusingly, it's exactly the same thing, because of the huge capital barriers involved. 524629;1393220120;nubbins`;fun fact, the easternmost point in north america is in denmark 524630;1393220149;benkay;pick up nautilus for pennies on the dime when they go under, mircea_popescu 524631;1393220158;benkay;they have sweet machines 524632;1393220161;mircea_popescu;benkay whjen they go under it'd be too late. 524633;1393220168;mircea_popescu;shareholders are last in line 524634;1393220177;mircea_popescu;and moreover, even if they strike it big, repudiation is a major concern. 524635;1393220191;nubbins`;https://twitter.com/MtGox 524636;1393220191;ozbot;MtGox.com (MtGox) on Twitter 524637;1393220231;mircea_popescu;lol they beleeted it all ? 524638;1393220263;benkay;pardon, mp but repududiation? 524639;1393220266;benkay;repudiation* 524640;1393220272;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 63 @ 0.0030064 = 0.1894 BTC [-] {7} 524641;1393220315;mircea_popescu;repudiation is the unilateral rejection of a claim. like what companies do on havelock, 524642;1393220318;mircea_popescu;o you owned shares ? fu. 524643;1393220333;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11899999 BTC [+] 524644;1393220383;nubbins`;heh 524645;1393220395;benkay;i'll settle for the machines. 524646;1393220397;nubbins`;wait, those are companies? 524647;1393220408;nubbins`;(where are those drumsticks...0 524648;1393220452;mircea_popescu;nubbins` soyouthink some canadian penny stock is so much better ? 524649;1393220452;mircea_popescu;who is going to send in the army, ww1 style, to protect your claims 524650;1393220452;mircea_popescu;like the us protected rockefeller's ? 524651;1393220460;mircea_popescu;the russians even weren't able to protect the claims of their oligarchs in cyprus 524652;1393220469;mircea_popescu;and cyprus is a shitty island 524653;1393220503;benkay;whole mining stack gets snatched up and taken over by the government. 524654;1393220506;mircea_popescu;(obv the russian govt side would very much argue that they did a splendid job, protected it via diplomacy.) 524655;1393220519;mircea_popescu;benkay canada has a history of stealing corps anyway. 524656;1393220531;nubbins`;^ 524657;1393220539;mircea_popescu;under the guise of "regulation" or w/e. 524658;1393220556;nubbins`;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_and_Labrador_v._AbitibiBowater_Inc. 524659;1393220556;ozbot;Newfoundland and Labrador v. AbitibiBowater Inc. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 524660;1393220562;mircea_popescu;basically, no armored divisions, no fiat investments. 524661;1393220573;nubbins`;"Background" in particular 524662;1393220577;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00328 = 0.1968 BTC [-] 524663;1393220638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.063 = 0.63 BTC [-] 524664;1393220656;mircea_popescu;The company closed its paper mill in Stephenville, Newfoundland in 2005, and announced in 2008 that it would also close its plant in Grand Falls-Windsor. The Newfoundland and Labrador House of Assembly promptly passed legislation expropriating AbitibiBowater's assets in the province. This included the cancellation of water and hydroelectric contracts and agreements between the province and Abitibi, the cancellati 524665;1393220656;mircea_popescu;on of ongoing legal proceedings Abitibi had against the province, and the blocking of access to Newfoundlands courts by Abitibi. 524666;1393220662;mircea_popescu;compare and contrast this with that idiot judge guy, 524667;1393220687;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/ 524668;1393220688;ozbot;The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 524669;1393220821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.0008885 = 21.324 BTC [+] {2} 524670;1393220910;nubbins`;"The government later learned it had accidentally expropriated the former mill property in central Newfoundland — and its environmental liabilities — as well." 524671;1393220968;nubbins`;i picture a room full of suits furrowing their brows and wondering aloud if they can un-expropriate things 524672;1393220983;benkay;worse than suits 524673;1393220985;benkay;bureaucrats 524674;1393220993;mircea_popescu;when in fact the room should have been full of suits suddenly realising that the guillotine is for them. 524675;1393221084;nubbins`;if only 524676;1393221093;benkay;the tanks'll have to change hands first. 524677;1393221101;nubbins`;the guy in charge at the time was a real hothead 524678;1393221123;nubbins`;there was some disagreement about federal money and he ordered the canadian flag be taken down from all provincial government buildings 524679;1393221126;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1189999 BTC [-] 524680;1393221127;nubbins`;quite a stir that caused 524681;1393221141;mircea_popescu;benkay i doubt that'll end up mattering. as it is right now, nobody cares who can ride horses or owns a pair of chaps 524682;1393221201;benkay;you're saying we're headed clean back to horses? 524683;1393221226;r3wt;;;bcauth r3wt 524684;1393221227;gribble;Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.216.44.61. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:2622c373f57f74c8f9ceb5e6246b25d8274e96de15a86d5dcbbaa7d0 524685;1393221246;mircea_popescu;benkay im saying that things such as nukes, and tanks, and so on are grossly unimportant anymore. 524686;1393221280;mircea_popescu;if you read that facebook explanation of the thing in the ukraine, the guy clearly states that the police did not dare intervene in force chiefly becayse "we know where they live and would have killed them off one by one" 524687;1393221282;benkay;more along the lines of "who can muster a pickup full of men with shotguns" 524688;1393221292;mircea_popescu;this is true. "we know where you live". whats the tank good for ? 524689;1393221343;benkay;task for lurking do-gooders: liberate the list of police names and addresses in all of your hometowns 524690;1393221362;benkay;i betcha US cops use windows systems. shouldn't be hard. 524691;1393221370;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1451 @ 0.00088854 = 1.2893 BTC [+] 524692;1393221375;benkay;just kidding, meta-nsa 524693;1393221419;*;r3wt kicks in benkay's door 524694;1393221423;chetty;The holding up a mirror to the police was pretty good 524695;1393221428;r3wt;"freeze muthafucka!" 524696;1393221432;nubbins`;chetty, i liked that 524697;1393221442;mircea_popescu;benkay http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2014#487027 524698;1393221459;nubbins`;next thing ya know, this: http://www.mukamo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/cryingcop10.jpg 524699;1393221512;mircea_popescu;oh my game was "M.A.X: Mechanized Assault and Exploration" 524700;1393221517;mircea_popescu;thank you person. 524701;1393221573;benkay;makes me want to build a pay-to-play 4x webgame 524702;1393221593;benkay;grah infinite possibly fun things to do 524703;1393221599;mircea_popescu;impossibru 524704;1393221616;nubbins`;set up a money exchange in eulora 524705;1393221620;nubbins`;done like dinner 524706;1393221660;benkay;nubbins`: more arcade style "put in some doge! some lite! some bit! get stuff to use!" 524707;1393221675;asciilifeform;jurov: (perhaps belated) 'duplicate moduli' is exactly what it says on the box. 524708;1393221709;asciilifeform;jurov: p1q1 = p2q2, for some p2q2 524709;1393221753;B007;I think you misunderstand the purpose of tanks and nukes, they are for foriegn wars 524710;1393221756;nubbins`;^ incidentally this is where "mind your Ps and Qs" came from 524711;1393221771;nubbins`;B007, you sure about that? 524712;1393221778;B007;pretty sure, yeah 524713;1393221811;B007;people have always known where local cops lived 524714;1393221839;benkay;the suburbanization of north america has really atomized people B007 it's not like the eu at all 524715;1393221857;benkay;part of what makes this country so horrible 524716;1393221862;benkay;all the damn space 524717;1393221917;B007;that doesn't make it horrible 524718;1393221919;nubbins`;you think you've got it bad down there 524719;1393221929;r3wt;i could have sworn it was the hipsters, high on their own farts dragging this country down. 524720;1393221929;mircea_popescu;B007 your notion of foreign is broken tho. 524721;1393221946;mircea_popescu;it used to mean shomething, 500 years ago. now i'm more likely to fuck a foreign chick than a local one. 524722;1393221946;B007;perhaps 524723;1393221952;mircea_popescu;in fact, im not even sure i fucked a romanian this year. 524724;1393221956;nubbins`;what does foreign even mean 524725;1393221982;nubbins`;as a canadian, it doesn't mean jack shit to me 524726;1393221984;mircea_popescu;so in this sense, all military operations are against people. 524727;1393221988;BitcoinSachs;I was told there was a fair amount of BitcoinWife bashing going on in here. 524728;1393221989;nubbins`;an icelandic man might feel differently 524729;1393221994;mircea_popescu;hello BitcoinSachs 524730;1393221997;mircea_popescu;you married to her ? 524731;1393222005;BitcoinSachs;Nope, but she is a good friend of mine. 524732;1393222008;nubbins`;lel 524733;1393222009;mircea_popescu;good for her. 524734;1393222020;KRS-One;i can't take it anymore 524735;1393222021;KRS-One;.bait 524736;1393222023;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/9cf78c2e244319fab96d52c4cd5962c4/tumblr_mup8huNbMI1r1zkrlo1_500.jpg 524737;1393222023;BitcoinSachs;Bunch of cowards sitting behind a IRC chat talking shit on someone. 524738;1393222031;KRS-One;ahhh 524739;1393222033;mircea_popescu;BitcoinSachs do you know how to read the logs ? 524740;1393222045;B007;link at the top 524741;1393222064;mircea_popescu;B007 yes but he comes from an environment where the obvious and common sense aren't either obvious or common. 524742;1393222072;BitcoinSachs;I've already heard all I need to about the bullshit being said in here. 524743;1393222082;nubbins`;lel x5 524744;1393222086;mircea_popescu;BitcoinSachs do you know who you're making a fool of yourself in front of ? 524745;1393222091;nubbins`;you've certainly got a bee in your bonnet 524746;1393222109;BitcoinSachs;If you know who I am, you also are well aware I don't give a fuck. 524747;1393222116;B007;ok 524748;1393222119;nubbins`;well, now that that's established 524749;1393222122;mircea_popescu;so then what are you doing there ? 524750;1393222137;BitcoinSachs;Attack one of my friends, and I will show up. 524751;1393222147;nubbins`;and..... talk to people? 524752;1393222152;mircea_popescu;i never heard of anyone posessed of this highschooler attitude mattering in any context, fwiw. 524753;1393222163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00088854 = 6.0421 BTC [+] 524754;1393222163;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06529 = 0.1959 BTC [+] 524755;1393222173;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i believe the expression is, "coward sitting behind a IRC chat talking shit on someone." 524756;1393222176;BitcoinSachs;Says the half-tards smack talking someone not here because she makes them feel inferior. 524757;1393222188;mircea_popescu;no, actually, the problem is she's retarded. 524758;1393222197;mircea_popescu;and nobody is smack talking the retarded here. 524759;1393222203;asciilifeform;what the hell is a bitcoinwife? i'm going back to sleep. 524760;1393222206;mircea_popescu;we go in quite excruciating detail to document how and why they are retarded. 524761;1393222208;nubbins`;what's a half-tard? 524762;1393222214;r3wt;wait so who talked shit to the dudes wife here? 524763;1393222229;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nn! 524764;1393222241;mircea_popescu;he's not married, he's just copumpkin ing all over her. 524765;1393222244;r3wt;life->end 524766;1393222256;BitcoinSachs;I feel bad for you guys. It's seriously sad. 524767;1393222266;*;nubbins` facepalms 524768;1393222268;mircea_popescu;BitcoinSachs so listen, if we apologize do you get laid tonight ? 524769;1393222285;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0653 = 0.3265 BTC [+] 524770;1393222286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.0032 = 0.2496 BTC [-] 524771;1393222289;r3wt;lol, what did you say about his wife? 524772;1393222290;BitcoinSachs;I don't come into IRC's often because it's usually for the depressed middle aged white man who doesn't get any anymore so they sit in a chat talking to each other. Similar to AOL chats back in the day. 524773;1393222298;BitcoinSachs;Atleast now you morons don't pretend to be little girls. 524774;1393222299;mircea_popescu;wait wait. 524775;1393222303;mircea_popescu;you're not even white ?! 524776;1393222306;mircea_popescu;nigga gtfo out of here. 524777;1393222314;r3wt;no need for that mircea 524778;1393222354;benkay;r3wt's a little boy, BitcoinSachs, mind his delicate mind. 524779;1393222358;mircea_popescu;what, let the guy have fun. 524780;1393222369;r3wt;lol, a little boy eh 524781;1393222383;benkay;(nothing personal r3wt it's for teh lulz) 524782;1393222387;nubbins`;BitcoinSachs from what i can tell, people were lelling at "the bitcoin wife" because she sits around on her ass in front of a computer all day, thinking that what she says matters 524783;1393222393;mircea_popescu;r3wt how old are you anyway ? i forget. 524784;1393222395;r3wt;nice to know you think of people in IRC and picture little boys. seems oddly fitting 524785;1393222398;nubbins`;i'm not sure how that's so different from doing the same thing on IRC 524786;1393222407;nubbins`;srsly, think about it 524787;1393222410;mircea_popescu;aahha zing 524788;1393222423;r3wt;i don't even know what the fuck you are even talking about half the time, none of you 524789;1393222424;benkay;BitcoinSachs: tell me this isn't retarded http://imgur.com/elHxylT 524790;1393222426;mircea_popescu;benkay does the darling know about the little boys ? 524791;1393222458;benkay;oh goodness i don't really know *who* knows about the little boys at this point 524792;1393222467;mircea_popescu;i suppose BitcoinSachs should meet BingoBoingo 524793;1393222482;asciilifeform;is there a litecoinwife? 524794;1393222488;nubbins`;dogecoinwife 524795;1393222491;BitcoinSachs;whoever it is that keeps messaging me, I deleted it on accident. this is life. 524796;1393222495;mod6;hobonicklewife 524797;1393222495;mircea_popescu;i think there's a dogewife doing doges somewhere on 4chan 524798;1393222499;mircea_popescu;but it's a little... gross. 524799;1393222506;benkay;man i am into that 524800;1393222521;benkay;sweet doge action 524801;1393222526;nubbins`;always kind of thought that referring to yourself as "the ____ wife" was a bit demeaning 524802;1393222526;r3wt;when white kids pretend to be black on the internet 524803;1393222542;mircea_popescu;nubbins` "the slutty wife" ? 524804;1393222543;benkay;BitcoinSachs you gotta learn how to IRC, man. 524805;1393222548;BitcoinSachs;I don't give a shit if you guys apologize or not. Just think how you would feel if someone turned an IRC into a mass group bashing of you. I doubt many of you would like that. 524806;1393222549;nubbins`;the anything wife. the hockey wife 524807;1393222556;BitcoinSachs;I mean, I get off on your hatred. 524808;1393222564;BitcoinSachs;but I am a sick bastard like that. 524809;1393222564;nubbins`;you get off on hatred? 524810;1393222565;mircea_popescu;BitcoinSachs you have any idea how many have tried ? 524811;1393222567;nubbins`;you poor, sad man 524812;1393222572;benkay;BitcoinSachs: i get people all over my shit all the time 524813;1393222574;asciilifeform;is the implication of $foowife something like 'married to the sea' ? 524814;1393222577;benkay;in my actual face, though. 524815;1393222584;r3wt;@Sacks: i agree. you will get no quarter from these other gentlemen though 524816;1393222589;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform who even knows that the proles mean when they use words. 524817;1393222594;nubbins`;asciilifeform i think the implication is that they like to think of themselves in terms of their marriage 524818;1393222600;nubbins`;honestly don't get it, not trolling 524819;1393222604;B007;http://i.imgur.com/K5hrMAb.jpg 524820;1393222607;mircea_popescu;omfg r3wt this traitor to the holy cause of irc! 524821;1393222612;nubbins`;"i am first and foremost a person who is married to a man" 524822;1393222617;mircea_popescu;RUNNING DOG TO THE TWITTERHEADS 524823;1393222618;r3wt;^lawl 524824;1393222631;mircea_popescu;nubbins` can you see "The MP wife" ? 524825;1393222650;nubbins`;yes, but only because i have a vague understanding of the type of female company you keep 524826;1393222662;asciilifeform;mpoe-pr ? 524827;1393222664;mircea_popescu;i've done this plenty of times, "i'm with her". functionally the same thing 524828;1393222669;r3wt;Reminds me of this cat who used to get on the forums at school and pretend to be a 18 year old filipina chick 524829;1393222685;mircea_popescu;r3wt and a buncha doods went all crazy "protecting" her ? 524830;1393222686;nubbins`;i'd probably divorce my wife if she started referring to herself exclusively in terms of me 524831;1393222705;nubbins`;"yes hello, i'm mrs. jon keefe" 524832;1393222707;mircea_popescu;nubbins` yeah but you're not a self absorbed asshole quite to the degree we are. 524833;1393222712;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.06535 = 1.1763 BTC [+] 524834;1393222719;asciilifeform;cats with irc habits? now definitely time for me to sleep... 524835;1393222723;r3wt;yeah i got banned from the forum for mocking he/she 524836;1393222726;nubbins`;hmm, that's fair 524837;1393222733;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a cat is the equiv of a chick 524838;1393222740;asciilifeform;ah ah 524839;1393222744;mircea_popescu;r3wt so now you know what's happening here. 524840;1393222750;BingoBoingo;Goldman definitely doesn't seem to be what it used to be. 524841;1393222757;r3wt;no hot ass filipina chick gets on a damn sports forum, there's no way in hell 524842;1393222761;nubbins`;bitcoinman 524843;1393222763;benkay;hey BingoBoingo we got someone for you to meet 524844;1393222776;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo nono, the relation between this twerp and gs is about the same as the relation between the btcwife and btc. 524845;1393222785;nubbins`;^ heh 524846;1393222788;mircea_popescu;purely based on stalking. like michael moore and important ppl. 524847;1393222791;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1652963/plain/) 524848;1393222791;benkay;!b 2 524849;1393222799;benkay;goddamnit 524850;1393222800;nubbins`;gotta be quick if you wanna !b 524851;1393222803;mircea_popescu;benkay you fail son. 524852;1393222815;benkay;type slower assholes 524853;1393222816;mircea_popescu;!b quick or !b broken! 524854;1393222825;nubbins`;error: quick is not an integer 524855;1393222831;mircea_popescu;fuck whoever just pmd me named assbot i deleted it 524856;1393222834;mircea_popescu;such is lyf! 524857;1393222836;nubbins`;hahah 524858;1393222844;mod6;haha 524859;1393222844;benkay;;;later tell BitcoinSachs where'd you go? 524860;1393222845;gribble;The operation succeeded. 524861;1393222853;BingoBoingo;Wait, people can't just adopt titles like "The wife of Bitcoin" or "The Sachs of Bitcoin" and it just automagically becomes true? 524862;1393222861;mircea_popescu;hey guise, i have an idea! 524863;1393222871;mircea_popescu;let's all make derpnames like nounbitcoin and bitcoinnoun 524864;1393222883;r3wt;;;later tell BitcoinSachs yolo 524865;1393222883;gribble;The operation succeeded. 524866;1393222884;mircea_popescu;that way the fact we're related to bitcoin will be quite clear to everyone! 524867;1393222887;BitcoinSachs;I have nothing left to add to this trollbox. You guys all know how pathetic you are. I just wanted to swing by and make sure someone told you. Have a good night. 524868;1393222893;benkay;coinverb 524869;1393222903;nubbins`;BitcoinScrotums 524870;1393222905;r3wt;yolo 524871;1393222906;mod6;lol 524872;1393222916;nubbins`;BitcoinSachs: cheers, come back any time 524873;1393222924;nubbins`;you seem interesting and well-spoken 524874;1393222935;benkay;if a glacially slow typist. 524875;1393222938;mircea_popescu;it's so sad the various fiat banks don't hold a trollbox where their top manageemnt could come by 524876;1393222939;nubbins`;and not like a young man on the verge of tears 524877;1393222942;BitcoinBordello;Puppies.txt 524878;1393222942;mircea_popescu;and mock the plebs. 524879;1393222943;mircea_popescu;tha' 524880;1393222950;r3wt;you can catch me on the wallstreet journal and time magazine homeboy :D 524881;1393222952;mircea_popescu;s what i'd have done during occupylolz 524882;1393222971;nubbins`;eh, occupy was its own trollbox 524883;1393222979;benkay;it's all the same thing, nubbins` 524884;1393222992;benkay;the everyone 524885;1393222992;mircea_popescu;nubbins` yes except the ws top brass didn't participate 524886;1393222998;benkay;le mob 524887;1393223000;mircea_popescu;imagine if dimon started mocking the womenz 524888;1393223011;BingoBoingo;The actual 1% http://guestofaguest.com/new-york/instant-expert/the-original-one-percenter 524889;1393223062;mircea_popescu;BitcoinSachs so what would we have heard of you for ? do you run a service of any import ? anything ? 524890;1393223072;nubbins`;"Another reflex is to call a general assembly at the slightest sign of movement, and vote. This is a mistake. The business of voting and deciding a winner, is enough to turn the assembly into a nightmare, into a theater where all the various little pretenders to power confront each other. Here we suffer from the bad example of bourgeois parliaments. An assembly is not a place for decisions but for 524891;1393223072;nubbins`;palaver, for free speech exercised without a goal. " 524892;1393223078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16738 @ 0.0008896 = 14.8901 BTC [+] {2} 524893;1393223088;nubbins`;occupy crowd should've listened to the invisible committee ;( 524894;1393223104;mircea_popescu;nubbins` occupy crowd should have just gone for nudism. 524895;1393223114;mircea_popescu;pretty much the one way a crowd of nobodies can disrupt modern society. 524896;1393223137;nubbins`;so, unisex femen for american kids? 524897;1393223139;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6762 @ 0.00089009 = 6.0188 BTC [+] 524898;1393223177;mircea_popescu;yup 524899;1393223186;mircea_popescu;it would have swollen in numbers greatly 524900;1393223200;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0655 = 0.131 BTC [+] 524901;1393223201;nubbins`;not the only thing that would have swollen 524902;1393223204;mircea_popescu;indeed. 524903;1393223237;mircea_popescu;still, if the people trying to get obama reelected had enough sense to only pay a few girls to get it all started, judghing correctly the white knight idiocy of the frustrated male will do the rest 524904;1393223245;mircea_popescu;they could have also had the sense to only hire gangbang veterans. 524905;1393223260;mircea_popescu;a woman can take about a thousand cocks a day, if she's any good at it. 524906;1393223275;nubbins`;sponsored by astroglide 524907;1393223287;mircea_popescu;definitely. 524908;1393223309;mircea_popescu;astroglide could have just used crop treatment helicopters to dump gallons of lube on the crowd 524909;1393223326;mircea_popescu;now THAT would have been a problem for wall street. 524910;1393223352;mircea_popescu;o look at that, we lost buttcoinsecks. 524911;1393223353;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/deincarnation/4/ 524912;1393223353;ozbot;Deincarnation 524913;1393223388;mircea_popescu;win. 524914;1393223455;nubbins`;but rage against the popular music group tells me that fear is my only god 524915;1393223469;mircea_popescu;waitwut 524916;1393223494;mircea_popescu;anyway, for the inquiring minds that wish to know : yesterday i had spinach in bechamel with small shrimps, 524917;1393223497;nubbins`;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sqFprD6qIs 524918;1393223498;ozbot;Vietnow- Rage Against the Machine (Lyrics) - YouTube 524919;1393223509;mircea_popescu;and today i'm baking a pumpkin and will have it with tenderloin! 524920;1393223519;nubbins`;i didn't know you baked 524921;1393223532;mircea_popescu;well im baking in the sense i'm running bitbet. 524922;1393223542;*;nubbins` nods 524923;1393223551;nubbins`;i should start a "bitcoin husband" blog 524924;1393223556;mircea_popescu;bitcoinwife is doing the work 524925;1393223558;nubbins`;and just yammer about the meats i grind etc 524926;1393223576;mircea_popescu;husbandry. meats. grinding. 524927;1393223581;mircea_popescu;this sounds a little porny dontchathink? 524928;1393223588;nubbins`;my entire life is a euphemism 524929;1393223627;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.0032 = 0.112 BTC [-] {2} 524930;1393223678;mircea_popescu;nubbins` but srsly, it's not a bad idea. 524931;1393223696;mircea_popescu;not that many people make moose sausage, and when i mentioned it to chetty she was like... nom. 524932;1393223765;cazalla;i should make rabbit sausage 524933;1393223771;mircea_popescu;check it out, "The rest of this article fill look" 524934;1393223783;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did you know nick szabo has a w/f issue ? 524935;1393223840;mircea_popescu;this'd be by far the most important property too look for in that entire "textual analysis" story. 524936;1393223847;cazalla;have rabbits, have sausage add on thingo for the kitchenaid 524937;1393223923;mircea_popescu;cazalla can't hurt. 524938;1393223932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19012 @ 0.00088843 = 16.8908 BTC [-] 524939;1393223933;nubbins`;actually, my mother called earlier today, she has two moose roasts at the house for me 524940;1393223935;chetty;oh somebody said moose sausage ...drool 524941;1393223950;cazalla;what is moose like? never seen it for sale here in aus 524942;1393223971;mircea_popescu;moose is a very large cow. 524943;1393223972;nubbins`;very lean 524944;1393223979;nubbins`;like beef, bit more stringy/gamey 524945;1393223980;chetty;venison ++ 524946;1393223981;nubbins`;it's ncie 524947;1393223982;cazalla;rabbit is lean 524948;1393223984;nubbins`;*nice 524949;1393224002;cazalla;i raise these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_white_rabbit 524950;1393224016;nubbins`;fun 524951;1393224031;nubbins`;interesting fact, you'd die if all you ate was rabbit 524952;1393224041;cazalla;not true 524953;1393224052;cazalla;you eat the brains in addition to the meat if it comes to that 524954;1393224080;nubbins`;sure, yeah 524955;1393224083;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsVDb3kqnnI < this is cazalla 524956;1393224084;ozbot;Woman Chased By Cute Bunny Rabbits - YouTube 524957;1393224092;nubbins`;implication was only eating the meat 524958;1393224100;cazalla;top kek 524959;1393224102;mircea_popescu;eating the brains of any mammal is dangerous 524960;1393224108;nubbins`;but after a few days you'd be at a point where you're willing to cut the fat off your own body to eat 524961;1393224112;mircea_popescu;in that we never know wtf prions they got. 524962;1393224129;mircea_popescu;nubbins` a few days ? i fasted for days. who cares. 524963;1393224140;nubbins`;muslims 524964;1393224144;nubbins`;i guess 524965;1393224145;cazalla;yes i know, which is why i don't eat them but if you only had rabbit to eat, you'd need to eat the brain and organs to survive otherwise rabbit starvation as nubbins referred to 524966;1393224175;cazalla;but if you have a balanced diet, you can eat as much rabbit as you want 524967;1393224185;nubbins`;hm, was mentioning this in -otc because luke was there, but you guys might find this interesting as well 524968;1393224187;cazalla;every 2nd person tells me about this rabbit starvation bs 524969;1393224200;nubbins`;so i've been wanting to silkscreen, by hand, a book of text for some time now 524970;1393224206;nubbins`;nice art paper, hand-printed and bound 524971;1393224228;nubbins`;one of my friends is greek, and really into religious texts 524972;1393224237;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0032 = 0.64 BTC [-] 524973;1393224240;mircea_popescu;cazalla i think i started it in here. but anyway, obviously, eat some fish oil or w/e, it's resolvable. 524974;1393224257;nubbins`;so we're going to produce a copy of the gospel according to mark, with scriptio continua greek and modern english on opposing pages 524975;1393224268;cazalla;mircea_popescu: i hear it from others IRL 524976;1393224287;nubbins`;calling it "the gospel not according to mark" (because it's not according to him), and omitting the resurrection entirely (as it wasn't in the original) 524977;1393224287;cazalla;as long as you have a source of fat (and I have chickens for the eggs too), it's not an issue to eat lots of rabbit meat 524978;1393224298;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 704 @ 0.0032 = 2.2528 BTC [-] 524979;1393224346;nubbins`;exciting stuff, although nerdy enough that i don't think anyone besides the two of us will be interested 524980;1393224357;mircea_popescu;cazalla butter'd be better tbh. i almost always cook rabbit in butter. 524981;1393224383;nubbins`;who knows, maybe we can sell a copy to the university library 524982;1393224384;mircea_popescu;nubbins` fortunately for you, there exists a large contingent of themarkwifes on twitter, reddit etc 524983;1393224395;mircea_popescu;seeing how tjhey don't understand what anything is, they may just as well buy it. 524984;1393224414;*;nubbins` nods 524985;1393224423;davout;cutie -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=483109.0;topicseen 524986;1393224430;nubbins`;anyway, i was interested to learn that in the original gospel of mark, jesus dies and that's the end of the fucking book 524987;1393224437;nubbins`;no resurrection, none of that stuff 524988;1393224443;mircea_popescu;benkay "There are over 400 collectively worth more than $1.5 billion in operation today and their numbers are increasingly rapidly." 524989;1393224447;mircea_popescu;there, there's a future. 524990;1393224477;mircea_popescu;lol 524991;1393224481;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 524992;1393224505;nubbins`;"Seismologists have set up instrumentation for when Tux has a tantrum." 524993;1393224506;nubbins`;lel, tsk tsk 524994;1393224519;nubbins`;guy's not even that fat 524995;1393224541;mircea_popescu;he's bad fat. 524996;1393224543;midnightmagic;cazalla: Just counter with the fact that virtually any rabbit everywhere that doesn't carry a toxic heavy metal load or weird foreign exotic parasites can be eaten. 524997;1393224557;mircea_popescu;there's this distinction i make between people who are genuinely fat and people who are visibly fastfood fat. 524998;1393224559;midnightmagic;"Try that with an elk." 524999;1393224592;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic rabbits carry human able parasites ? 525000;1393224624;nubbins`;european elk or north american elk? 525001;1393224634;nubbins`;i.e. moose or wapiti? 525002;1393224685;midnightmagic;mircea_popescu: None that I'm specifically aware of, but my farmer friends tell me it's possible. 525003;1393224685;chetty;rabbits can carry a bacteria thats kinda like plague 525004;1393224691;mircea_popescu;"The current center of this activity is Namibia, with offshore reserves estimated at more than 1.5 billion carats." << look at that, almost one diamond for each marrigeable girl! 525005;1393224696;midnightmagic;nubbins`: N.A. 525006;1393224698;mircea_popescu;now where to find the 10k dollars to pay for all the rings 525007;1393224708;nubbins`;midnightmagic: i've eaten those 525008;1393224719;midnightmagic;nubbins`: Hopefully it was cooked well! :-) 525009;1393224719;mircea_popescu;chetty pest is universal, much like e colli 525010;1393224725;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.0031995 = 0.1632 BTC [-] 525011;1393224730;nubbins`;ground and cooked well-done :D 525012;1393224767;nubbins`;have also eaten the other type, as we were discussing earlier 525013;1393224780;nubbins`;moose makes good stew 525014;1393224786;midnightmagic;nubbins`: Recommend caribou sausage. So.. good.. 525015;1393224800;nubbins`;now caribou, i haven't had 525016;1393224820;nubbins`;uh, how the fuck is it 3:30am? 525017;1393224836;nubbins`;i'm going to bed 525018;1393224840;nubbins`;peace 525019;1393224908;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 349 @ 0.002 = 0.698 BTC [-] 525020;1393224912;mircea_popescu;benkay o look at that, nautilus actually focuses on mining extinct black smokers 525021;1393224915;mircea_popescu;that's a brilliant idea. 525022;1393225030;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1300 @ 0.00015004 = 0.1951 BTC [-] {9} 525023;1393225031;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1189999 BTC [-] 525024;1393225213;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0655 = 0.4585 BTC [+] 525025;1393225214;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] 525026;1393225274;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.119495 = 0.239 BTC [+] {2} 525027;1393225335;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.119999 = 0.24 BTC [+] 525028;1393225640;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00089009 = 6.7647 BTC [+] {2} 525029;1393225854;benkay;jesus christ man 525030;1393225883;benkay;mircea_popescu i'm not about to just go work for some crazy exploration company 525031;1393225884;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 401 @ 0.00321496 = 1.2892 BTC [-] {2} 525032;1393225885;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103999 BTC [+] 525033;1393225917;benkay;and i at least spend five minutes evaluating markets into which i want to get 525034;1393225954;benkay;yeah 400 robots under the sea worth a stupid amount of money 525035;1393225964;benkay;i can defo make some sea robutts 525036;1393226097;mircea_popescu;lol wut ? 525037;1393226128;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00089009 = 10.236 BTC [+] 525038;1393226385;mircea_popescu;lmao i just owned @bitcoin. and reddit. 525039;1393226391;mircea_popescu;@Bitcoin 48m Mt. Gox @MtGox DELETES everything from their twitter account http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yrqpm/mtgox_deletes_all_tweets_from_their_twitter_feed/ 525040;1393226391;mircea_popescu;How about next time you RT https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/437823752571588608 instead of being an ass. @Bitcoin @MtGox DELETES everything from their twitter account. 525041;1393226405;mircea_popescu;must suck to exist as a news thing and be constantly hours, days, years late. 525042;1393226677;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0605005 = 0.242 BTC [+] {2} 525043;1393226678;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.103999 = 0.208 BTC [+] 525044;1393226738;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.1160009 = 0.464 BTC [-] 525045;1393226799;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11999 BTC [+] 525046;1393226860;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.00460033 = 0.2208 BTC [-] {5} 525047;1393226861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 156 @ 0.0032 = 0.4992 BTC [-] {2} 525048;1393226862;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.119997 BTC [+] 525049;1393226982;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 21 @ 0.00499999 = 0.105 BTC [+] {2} 525050;1393227043;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02092199 = 0.1046 BTC [-] {4} 525051;1393228385;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0032 = 0.16 BTC [-] {2} 525052;1393228812;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 9 @ 0.08389498 = 0.7551 BTC [+] {3} 525053;1393228893;Mats_cd03;nubbins`: I'd buy a copy 525054;1393229056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00089045 = 6.2332 BTC [+] {2} 525055;1393229117;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 900 @ 0.003292 = 2.9628 BTC [+] 525056;1393229168;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 525057;1393229169;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 564.72, Best ask: 565.73, Bid-ask spread: 1.01000, Last trade: 563.28, 24 hour volume: 38005.11725061, 24 hour low: 551.0, 24 hour high: 646.0, 24 hour vwap: 597.953787271 525058;1393229287;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 525059;1393229292;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD last: 167.01, vol: 75617.20805633 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 565.18, vol: 37959.43040405 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 568.6, vol: 18409.36629 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 576.0, vol: 26575.00530557 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 575.0, vol: 303.90218819 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 594.083025, vol: 13228.16500000 | Volume-weighted last average: 394.500944754 525060;1393229304;mircea_popescu;lawl. just not under 150 yet huh. 525061;1393229316;BingoBoingo;Well, not under 150 at the moment. 525062;1393229483;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.00478995 = 0.3592 BTC [+] {10} 525063;1393230416;Vexual;thats food for thought 525064;1393230446;Vexual;if you're bulimic 525065;1393230459;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 126 @ 0.00333 = 0.4196 BTC [+] 525066;1393230520;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00333 = 3.33 BTC [+] 525067;1393230581;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3402 @ 0.00333 = 11.3287 BTC [+] 525068;1393230642;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103 BTC [-] 525069;1393230825;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17061 @ 0.00088899 = 15.1671 BTC [-] {4} 525070;1393230886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.00021 = 1.05 BTC [+] 525071;1393230947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00088958 = 10.586 BTC [+] 525072;1393231008;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.00333 = 0.2398 BTC [+] 525073;1393231252;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00333 = 0.999 BTC [+] 525074;1393231374;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 69 @ 0.00333 = 0.2298 BTC [+] 525075;1393231444;Vexual;neobee open? 525076;1393231862;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.0730002 = 0.146 BTC [-] {2} 525077;1393231923;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 229 @ 0.00333287 = 0.7632 BTC [+] {2} 525078;1393231984;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2868 @ 0.00333333 = 9.56 BTC [+] 525079;1393232289;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00335631 = 0.2853 BTC [+] {3} 525080;1393232411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00089121 = 18.0916 BTC [+] {3} 525081;1393232411;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.00349 = 0.3316 BTC [+] 525082;1393232533;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 505 @ 0.00349 = 1.7625 BTC [+] {2} 525083;1393232899;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.00349 = 0.2024 BTC [+] 525084;1393232960;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3500 @ 0.00349 = 12.215 BTC [+] {2} 525085;1393233021;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 316 @ 0.00349 = 1.1028 BTC [+] {2} 525086;1393233632;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.102 BTC [-] 525087;1393233633;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 525088;1393233692;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06100005 = 0.183 BTC [-] 525089;1393233693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.102 = 0.306 BTC [-] 525090;1393233694;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] 525091;1393233936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10047 @ 0.00089418 = 8.9838 BTC [+] {2} 525092;1393233997;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00349 = 0.5235 BTC [+] {2} 525093;1393234119;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 163 @ 0.00348899 = 0.5687 BTC [-] {3} 525094;1393234180;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.003489 = 0.3315 BTC [+] {2} 525095;1393234241;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 543 @ 0.003489 = 1.8945 BTC [+] 525096;1393235339;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.1199988 = 0.6 BTC [+] {3} 525097;1393235461;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49100012 BTC [-] 525098;1393235522;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2295 @ 0.00349 = 8.0096 BTC [+] 525099;1393235583;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00349 = 0.4886 BTC [+] 525100;1393235644;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 358 @ 0.00349 = 1.2494 BTC [+] {3} 525101;1393235706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00089122 = 3.654 BTC [-] 525102;1393235827;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00349 = 0.1187 BTC [+] 525103;1393235889;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 270 @ 0.00499999 = 1.35 BTC [+] {4} 525104;1393235949;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 386 @ 0.00349 = 1.3471 BTC [+] {2} 525105;1393236742;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 204 @ 0.0008578 = 0.175 BTC [-] 525106;1393236743;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 105 @ 0.00349 = 0.3665 BTC [+] 525107;1393237047;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 147 @ 0.00349 = 0.513 BTC [+] {2} 525108;1393237535;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49100012 BTC [-] 525109;1393237596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 4000 @ 0.00021 = 0.84 BTC [+] 525110;1393237657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] 2500 @ 0.00069999 = 1.75 BTC [-] 525111;1393237718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 4000 @ 0.00021 = 0.84 BTC [+] 525112;1393237779;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 839 @ 0.00349 = 2.9281 BTC [+] {2} 525113;1393237840;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1560 @ 0.00350045 = 5.4607 BTC [+] {5} 525114;1393237963;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.062 = 0.62 BTC [+] 525115;1393238084;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.0035788 = 0.1181 BTC [-] {2} 525116;1393238206;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00350003 = 0.7 BTC [-] {2} 525117;1393238267;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 380 @ 0.00350003 = 1.33 BTC [-] {2} 525118;1393238328;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00350005 = 0.35 BTC [+] {2} 525119;1393238511;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 52 @ 0.00369634 = 0.1922 BTC [+] {2} 525120;1393238512;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.16230094 = 0.9738 BTC [-] 525121;1393238572;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00384892 = 0.1001 BTC [+] {2} 525122;1393239182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6501 @ 0.00089497 = 5.8182 BTC [+] 525123;1393239243;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.003849 = 0.3272 BTC [+] 525124;1393239365;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00385234 = 0.262 BTC [+] {2} 525125;1393239366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7133 @ 0.00089653 = 6.3949 BTC [+] {2} 525126;1393239426;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.0038699 = 0.1354 BTC [+] {3} 525127;1393239487;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00386999 = 0.1741 BTC [+] {3} 525128;1393239497;jurov;morning 525129;1393239498;jurov;mircea_popescu: when will the mpoe bot go back? 525130;1393239507;jurov;*come back 525131;1393239509;jurov;lol 525132;1393239548;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 49 @ 0.00386999 = 0.1896 BTC [+] {3} 525133;1393239731;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 313 @ 0.00386999 = 1.2113 BTC [+] {2} 525134;1393239792;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 142 @ 0.00372943 = 0.5296 BTC [-] {6} 525135;1393239865;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-was-written-by-the-retarded-part-ii/ 525136;1393240036;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.062 = 0.62 BTC [+] 525137;1393240084;jurov;oh that. iconsidered writing about, too..but everyone accepts the accounts dysfunctionality as completely normal thing 525138;1393240158;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1815 @ 0.00386999 = 7.024 BTC [+] {4} 525139;1393240215;jurov;should write about such things anyway 525140;1393240219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00387 = 0.387 BTC [+] 525141;1393240402;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.117 BTC [-] 525142;1393240667;ozbot;Bitcoin was written by the retarded, part II pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 525143;1393240720;Duffer1;.d 525144;1393240838;ozbot;3,129,573,174.52229 | Next Diff in 731 blocks | Estimated Change: 19.9186% in 4d 1h 29m 47s 525145;1393240890;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49010002 = 0.9802 BTC [-] {2} 525146;1393240951;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [-] 525147;1393240952;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.00387 = 1.3545 BTC [+] 525148;1393241195;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 230 @ 0.00387 = 0.8901 BTC [+] 525149;1393241317;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.11999995 = 2.28 BTC [+] {2} 525150;1393241318;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6160 @ 0.00016388 = 1.0095 BTC [+] {7} 525151;1393241378;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00387 = 0.1935 BTC [+] 525152;1393241500;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 148 @ 0.00460028 = 0.6808 BTC [-] {5} 525153;1393241561;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4033 @ 0.00387 = 15.6077 BTC [+] {4} 525154;1393241622;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 659 @ 0.00387 = 2.5503 BTC [+] {4} 525155;1393241683;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103999 BTC [+] 525156;1393241684;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1420 @ 0.00387 = 5.4954 BTC [+] {3} 525157;1393241866;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.02060001 = 0.412 BTC [-] {5} 525158;1393241988;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 23 @ 0.02022221 = 0.4651 BTC [-] {12} 525159;1393241989;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 242 @ 0.00389 = 0.9414 BTC [+] {3} 525160;1393242232;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 101 @ 0.00386999 = 0.3909 BTC [-] {2} 525161;1393242476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5473 @ 0.0008979 = 4.9142 BTC [+] {2} 525162;1393242537;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.12 = 1.2 BTC [+] 525163;1393242659;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 590 @ 0.0038 = 2.242 BTC [-] 525164;1393242903;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 261 @ 0.00379 = 0.9892 BTC [-] {2} 525165;1393242971;jurov;http://imgur.com/a/uL6Lw neobee, the savior of poor cypriots 525166;1393242971;ozbot;Neo Building - Imgur 525167;1393243008;jurov;ThickAsThieves: i can, like, really go there and exchange bitcoins or do anything meaningful? 525168;1393243025;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.12 = 1.92 BTC [+] 525169;1393243147;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00379 = 0.5685 BTC [-] 525170;1393243203;mircea_popescu;jurov i grilled him yest. 525171;1393243228;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2014#523512 525172;1393243229;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 525173;1393243574;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00379046 = 0.2426 BTC [+] {2} 525174;1393243696;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.0038 = 0.3344 BTC [+] 525175;1393243818;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.0038 = 1.14 BTC [+] {3} 525176;1393243879;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 268 @ 0.00377 = 1.0104 BTC [-] 525177;1393243940;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 276 @ 0.0038 = 1.0488 BTC [+] {2} 525178;1393243941;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.12 = 1.32 BTC [+] 525179;1393244063;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 203 @ 0.00379766 = 0.7709 BTC [-] {3} 525180;1393244123;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.003795 = 0.3605 BTC [-] 525181;1393244733;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.1197693 = 1.557 BTC [-] {2} 525182;1393244794;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11631101 = 0.3489 BTC [-] 525183;1393244813;cazalla;he is NEO, you are like the buzzing of flies to him 525184;1393244977;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16167 @ 0.00089656 = 14.4947 BTC [-] 525185;1393244977;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 71 @ 0.003795 = 0.2694 BTC [-] 525186;1393245099;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 225 @ 0.0038 = 0.855 BTC [+] {2} 525187;1393245160;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.0038589 = 0.3936 BTC [+] {2} 525188;1393245221;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 528 @ 0.00383988 = 2.0275 BTC [-] {4} 525189;1393245343;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00385 = 0.1656 BTC [-] {2} 525190;1393245344;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [+] 525191;1393245465;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.0038576 = 0.1736 BTC [+] {2} 525192;1393245648;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.063 = 0.126 BTC [+] 525193;1393245649;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.10101 = 0.202 BTC [-] 525194;1393245650;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] 525195;1393245709;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.12 = 3 BTC [+] 525196;1393245831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00089305 = 21.969 BTC [-] {5} 525197;1393245953;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 83 @ 0.003859 = 0.3203 BTC [+] {2} 525198;1393246319;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.48203 = 4.8203 BTC [-] {2} 525199;1393246380;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 268 @ 0.00380111 = 1.0187 BTC [-] {2} 525200;1393246381;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.12 = 0.24 BTC [+] 525201;1393246563;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 259 @ 0.00386 = 0.9997 BTC [+] 525202;1393246680;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/HistOpinion/status/437927458810368000/photo/1/large 525203;1393246680;ozbot;Twitter / HistOpinion: US Apr '38: Do you believe, ... 525204;1393246728;mircea_popescu;what do executives know 525205;1393246731;mircea_popescu;they're in on it! 525206;1393246732;mircea_popescu;etc 525207;1393246746;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00386 = 0.193 BTC [+] 525208;1393246990;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 244 @ 0.00385879 = 0.9415 BTC [+] {2} 525209;1393247064;ThickAsThieves;what's an economic life? 525210;1393247119;ThickAsThieves;and how is "partly" an acceptible answer to a question that contains "mostly" 525211;1393247182;ThickAsThieves;maybe shoulda just been Yes, Probably, Possibly, No 525212;1393247222;ThickAsThieves;also, why truck drivers? 525213;1393247257;ThickAsThieves;they are an awkward representative, being that they are blue collar middle/upper-middle class 525214;1393247295;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.003865 = 0.1971 BTC [+] {3} 525215;1393247345;random_cat;ro invest: ponzi of the day? 525216;1393247356;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 113 @ 0.00385535 = 0.4357 BTC [-] {2} 525217;1393247397;ThickAsThieves;if you have to ask, then you already know the answer :) 525218;1393247448;ThickAsThieves;"If you claim that for some reason that it would be better for people to invest in stocks or something else on mpex then doing carefully selection on what investments and where on other plattfors or avoid investing in anything at all if they don't have the correct knoledge. Then you may kindly explain why and how it would be better for the avg investors as im pretty sure most of them 525219;1393247448;ThickAsThieves;wouldent even have 30 btc so how do you even think they would even be in the target group for your stockexchange, is just redicules." 525220;1393247454;ThickAsThieves;so much ouch 525221;1393247478;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 197 @ 0.003865 = 0.7614 BTC [+] 525222;1393247539;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 181 @ 0.003865 = 0.6996 BTC [+] 525223;1393247661;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 353 @ 0.003865 = 1.3643 BTC [+] {3} 525224;1393247783;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 260 @ 0.00385 = 1.001 BTC [-] 525225;1393247842;ThickAsThieves;"Neo Bee, I hope you are the AOL of Bitcoin, and not the next iteration of Mtgox." lol 525226;1393247966;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00386499 = 0.2203 BTC [+] {2} 525227;1393248027;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.12 BTC [+] 525228;1393248149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11533 @ 0.00089556 = 10.3285 BTC [+] {3} 525229;1393248210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6267 @ 0.00089798 = 5.6276 BTC [+] 525230;1393248210;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.00386498 = 0.2242 BTC [-] 525231;1393248274;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00386499 = 0.2937 BTC [+] {2} 525232;1393248393;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.482 BTC [-] 525233;1393248394;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 194 @ 0.00386397 = 0.7496 BTC [-] 525234;1393248441;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i have no idea 525235;1393248465;mircea_popescu;random_cat what's that even ? 525236;1393248542;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i'd guess they had easier access to a bunch of truck drivers ? 525237;1393248550;mircea_popescu;anyway, where's the quote from ? forum ? 525238;1393248638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 42 @ 0.0055 = 0.231 BTC 525239;1393249064;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00382 = 3.82 BTC [-] {2} 525240;1393249186;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00386393 = 0.1005 BTC [+] {2} 525241;1393249247;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 261 @ 0.00382 = 0.997 BTC [-] 525242;1393249323;random_cat;mircea: apparently the operator is looking for "investors" and posted a bitcointalk thread which got picked up by blockchain.info... see https://ro-invest.com/ 525243;1393249347;random_cat;oic, the bitcointalk thread is actually a link with a referrer code 525244;1393249360;random_cat;curiouser and curiouser 525245;1393249408;dexX7;wow 13 % daily, must be legit 525246;1393249423;random_cat;hell, perhaps it is merely a "send me your coin" site 525247;1393249452;ThickAsThieves;perhaps? 525248;1393249468;*;random_cat shrugs 525249;1393249473;random_cat;i was generously calling it a ponzi 525250;1393249613;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.00386398 = 0.4985 BTC [+] 525251;1393249614;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.12 = 3.12 BTC [+] {3} 525252;1393249632;mircea_popescu;random_cat probably ciuciu resurected. 525253;1393249707;mircea_popescu;so firefox is making a 25 dolla phone, facebook is hoping to spin the watsap disaster into a phone... 525254;1393249735;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1070 @ 0.00380079 = 4.0668 BTC [-] {4} 525255;1393249746;mircea_popescu;what's with people and this obsession for phones 525256;1393249919;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.1205 = 0.6025 BTC [+] 525257;1393249979;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.12673333 = 2.6614 BTC [+] {3} 525258;1393249980;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 308 @ 0.00386398 = 1.1901 BTC [+] 525259;1393250040;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.003881 = 0.1941 BTC [+] 525260;1393250065;mircea_popescu;incredible how the bitcoin foundation rats nest sticks together to the very end. 525261;1393250084;mircea_popescu;"This is actually good news. I applaud Mark and the MtGox team for making the right decision as I had to do the same. Speaking very lengthy to Mark and the team over the weekend, I see good news on the horizon for people who have funds stuck in MtGox (I also have funds in MtGox stuck)" < shrem 525262;1393250101;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1055 @ 0.003885 = 4.0987 BTC [+] {3} 525263;1393250102;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.16230094 = 0.9738 BTC [-] 525264;1393250123;Duffer1;farewell fellatio 525265;1393250133;Duffer1;i hate politics 525266;1393250162;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.0008968 = 16.0976 BTC [-] 525267;1393250206;mircea_popescu;"Colorado Girl Scouts Not Allowed To Sell Cookies Outside Pot Shops" 525268;1393250207;mircea_popescu;win. 525269;1393250223;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.003885 = 0.272 BTC [+] 525270;1393250285;Duffer1;they had to come up with some local ordinance since a couple of them got clever and sold out - can't allow little girls hanging around stoners to become popular 525271;1393250351;mircea_popescu;im guessing the only way to safeguard the nation is banning girlscout cookie sales, girls, scouts and cookies. 525272;1393250370;Duffer1;sounds reasonable 525273;1393250385;mircea_popescu;so conn just imploded 525274;1393250401;jurov;girl schouts must be protected from potheads 525275;1393250406;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00389 = 0.1945 BTC [+] {2} 525276;1393250411;jurov;cuz national security or whatever 525277;1393250411;mircea_popescu;apparently selling couches on credit to people who have horrible credit ratings in the hopes they'll find change in the very couches to pay for the couches didn't work out 525278;1393250421;mircea_popescu;seems you need rich friends to be able to use couches that way. 525279;1393250467;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 440 @ 0.00389 = 1.7116 BTC [+] {2} 525280;1393250655;ThickAsThieves;<mircea_popescu> what's with people and this obsession for phones /// cuz proles don't buy desktops anymore 525281;1393250700;mircea_popescu;heresy. 525282;1393250712;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-] 525283;1393250755;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/niubi/status/437948979872284672 epic shit. 525284;1393250770;mircea_popescu;"What do u call selfie taken by someone dedicated to overcoming selfhood ?" 525285;1393250956;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.1289995 = 0.258 BTC [+] {2} 525286;1393250971;ThickAsThieves;i guess reddit discovered Havelock last night... 525287;1393250995;mircea_popescu;"As we were letting you know back on the 15th of May 2013, two models filled lawsuits against Totem Entertainment and Totem Front Office alleging we were using their images without their authorization. 525288;1393250996;mircea_popescu;Despite they both signed a contract and have been paid, we've been ordered by a French judge to cease using their images and to terminate any licencing of them. We appealed from that decision but meanwhile we have to comply with the judge's order." 525289;1393250998;mircea_popescu;fucking french judges. 525290;1393251077;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 31 @ 0.00339999 = 0.1054 BTC [+] {2} 525291;1393251078;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.00084029 = 0.4201 BTC [-] {3} 525292;1393251136;ThickAsThieves;"Gmail adds unsubscribe button to rid your inbox of promotions" nice feature 525293;1393251137;mircea_popescu;http://webmasters.totemcash.com/top100.php << meanwhile check out that sadness. one guy laundering money and $150 a month to make the top 100. 525294;1393251199;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00388 = 0.485 BTC [-] {3} 525295;1393251235;ThickAsThieves;what's a virtuagirl? 525296;1393251251;mircea_popescu;and from the anals of stupid : chick that identifies as "Digital @NBC Owned Television Stations. I tweet media, tech & startups. California transplant, opinions are mine." wants to know if this pic is legit : "So.. I got this WhatsApp message from one of my contacts this morning, real thing? pic.twitter.com/mLAMw9hmUY " 525297;1393251258;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves prolly some webcam stuff. 525298;1393251273;mircea_popescu;most porn today is webcams because how the fuck are you going to get paid for a jpeg 525299;1393251275;ThickAsThieves;seems like a desktop widget of a nudie gif 525300;1393251280;ThickAsThieves;old school stuff 525301;1393251321;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00388 = 0.1086 BTC [-] {2} 525302;1393251322;mircea_popescu;wow they charge for that ? 525303;1393251323;the20year;I heard that Bill gates is buying AOL out and if you have AOL and windows they will pay you $5,000 as long as you forward the message 525304;1393251353;mircea_popescu;the20year you're now ready to work for NBC as a social media, tech and start-ups specialist. 525305;1393251375;mircea_popescu;WomenzInTeach! 525306;1393251411;ThickAsThieves;zuckerberg keynote today maybe he can confirm 525307;1393251412;ThickAsThieves;lol 525308;1393251432;mircea_popescu;she should defo ask him. 525309;1393251452;mircea_popescu;"Mr Mike like totally great stuff can you tell me like is it true about the forwarding ?" 525310;1393251504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.12916363 = 1.4208 BTC [+] {2} 525311;1393251565;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.12999 = 0.52 BTC [+] 525312;1393251566;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.08389499 = 0.3356 BTC [+] {2} 525313;1393251626;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00388 = 0.776 BTC [-] 525314;1393251687;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 218 @ 0.00388322 = 0.8465 BTC [+] {2} 525315;1393252297;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1322 @ 0.00016389 = 0.2167 BTC [+] 525316;1393252327;Apocalyptic;"<epscy> maybe the foundation should run an insurance scheme, if they run the satoshi client and follow best practices the foundation would pay out for any losses due to bugs in the software" 525317;1393252329;Apocalyptic;eps 525318;1393252337;Apocalyptic;err... derp of the day ? 525319;1393252360;BingoBoingo;They day is young, bigger derps are inevitable 525320;1393252366;ThickAsThieves;^ 525321;1393252376;mircea_popescu;ahahaha best idea ever. 525322;1393252389;mircea_popescu;no srsly, they should. make usagi an officer. 525323;1393252397;Diablo-D3;wat 525324;1393252399;Apocalyptic;"<epscy> i'm only half joking" // gets epic 525325;1393252404;Diablo-D3;whatever happened to that guy anyhow 525326;1393252419;Diablo-D3;because he seems to have finally left when he realized that he couldnt scam money out of DMC 525327;1393252480;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1822 @ 0.00016389 = 0.2986 BTC [+] 525328;1393252481;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.003888 = 0.5832 BTC [+] {2} 525329;1393252534;mircea_popescu;i think he finally left once he realised he couldn't shove his guitar or somesuch 525330;1393252548;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/437958867012444161 525331;1393252548;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @MichaelKitces @businessinsider ... 525332;1393252554;mircea_popescu;curious if famous anal-ist takes the challenge. 525333;1393252663;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 319 @ 0.003888 = 1.2403 BTC [+] {3} 525334;1393252664;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.12987362 = 2.078 BTC [-] {5} 525335;1393252665;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.16230094 = 8.115 BTC [-] 525336;1393252724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00089761 = 22.9339 BTC [+] {4} 525337;1393252724;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 986 @ 0.00389 = 3.8355 BTC [+] 525338;1393252785;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1030 @ 0.0039 = 4.017 BTC [+] {2} 525339;1393252846;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.12999995 = 2.73 BTC [+] {3} 525340;1393252907;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.0039 = 3.9 BTC [+] 525341;1393252966;mircea_popescu;;;tslbn 525342;1393252966;gribble;Error: "tslbn" is not a valid command. 525343;1393252969;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1071 @ 0.00382 = 4.0912 BTC [-] {2} 525344;1393252971;mircea_popescu;;;tslb 525345;1393252971;gribble;Time since last block: 16 minutes and 49 seconds 525346;1393253151;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 625 @ 0.00016389 = 0.1024 BTC [+] 525347;1393253212;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103999 BTC [+] 525348;1393253273;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.00389 = 0.5368 BTC [-] 525349;1393253395;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.00389 = 0.3968 BTC [-] {2} 525350;1393253396;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 44 @ 0.06101534 = 2.6847 BTC [-] {6} 525351;1393253456;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00388931 = 0.1128 BTC [-] {2} 525352;1393253457;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.06035 = 0.3621 BTC [-] {3} 525353;1393253761;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 248 @ 0.00388 = 0.9622 BTC [-] 525354;1393253944;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.104 = 0.312 BTC [+] 525355;1393254066;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 253 @ 0.00382 = 0.9665 BTC [-] 525356;1393254127;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00389 = 0.5835 BTC [+] 525357;1393254201;davout;;;later tell benkay interdasted in some delicious janos starker? 525358;1393254202;gribble;The operation succeeded. 525359;1393254249;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.124 BTC [-] 525360;1393254493;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.12200001 = 0.488 BTC [-] 525361;1393254554;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00388 = 0.388 BTC [-] 525362;1393254615;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.122 = 0.732 BTC [-] 525363;1393254616;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 130 @ 0.00388 = 0.5044 BTC [-] {2} 525364;1393254676;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0039 = 0.195 BTC [+] 525365;1393254798;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.0038999 = 0.2925 BTC [-] 525366;1393254840;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=482989.msg5337539#msg5337539 525367;1393254842;ozbot;[Cryptostocks]Coinex.io they just removed all traces about there offer at CS 525368;1393254847;mircea_popescu;check out ThickAsThieves owning the field... 525369;1393254874;ThickAsThieves;had an mp(oe-pr) up my butt i guess 525370;1393254988;mircea_popescu;particularly lulzy set of idiots there anyhow 525371;1393255042;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.00381428 = 1.335 BTC [-] {2} 525372;1393255054;ThickAsThieves;i love how thy then tries to say english is not his first language 525373;1393255073;ThickAsThieves;you don't learn a second language and spell that terribly 525374;1393255095;ThickAsThieves;"there's nothing wrong with my education you can't get much higher actually" 525375;1393255108;ThickAsThieves;"newcummers" 525376;1393255110;ThickAsThieves;lol 525377;1393255132;ThickAsThieves;"Paying 30 btc to get access to trading on mpex would be a huge misstake for 99.99% of all people, especially as some got access to that for free in the beginning." 525378;1393255138;ThickAsThieves;yet he uses bitcoin 525379;1393255249;mircea_popescu;"my brain doesn't work because english is not my first language" 525380;1393255250;mircea_popescu;seems legit. 525381;1393255252;jurov;"These are values uplifted by bandits, not brethren." ooooh so romantic "DDD 525382;1393255294;mircea_popescu;he really got something in there. 525383;1393255321;ThickAsThieves;bandit sounded better than burglar :) 525384;1393255367;mircea_popescu;i can't discern whether shrem defending mtgox on twitter is worse for shrem or worse for mtgox. 525385;1393255401;ThickAsThieves;tough one 525386;1393255403;jurov;for both, that's synergy 525387;1393255405;mircea_popescu;what's the worse situation, for a fraudster to associate with a drug dealer or vice versa ? 525388;1393255436;ThickAsThieves;when will they catch Ver on something? 525389;1393255454;mircea_popescu;(i get that neither are very good at their respective thing, but still, discussing in principle) 525390;1393255469;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 680 @ 0.00389678 = 2.6498 BTC [+] {4} 525391;1393255530;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.12899998 = 1.032 BTC [+] 525392;1393255531;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.0039 = 0.2457 BTC [+] 525393;1393255560;mircea_popescu;sooo... egypt cabinet resigns, new military dictatorship brewing ? 525394;1393255571;mircea_popescu;country comes back to what it was, only with 30 years younger mubarak 525395;1393255592;mircea_popescu;and i guess no ak47-ing of the anwar sadat this time 525396;1393255642;Apocalyptic;<ThickAsThieves> when will they catch Ver on something? // I'm waiting for Vessenes 525397;1393255652;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 71 @ 0.0039 = 0.2769 BTC [+] {3} 525398;1393255702;ThickAsThieves;vessenes seems to have proven slipperyness 525399;1393255711;mircea_popescu;the teflon don of bitcoin. 525400;1393255713;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.0039 = 0.975 BTC [+] 525401;1393255783;mircea_popescu;"I've said it before, but if Barack Obama had been president instead of Ronald Reagan, I'd still be a Soviet Citizen." ~Kasparov 525402;1393255833;mircea_popescu;it's kind of funny that US govt official policy back in the 80s, such as "government is bad generally and big government worse" etc is today regarded as fringe opinion. 525403;1393255868;asciilifeform;'gorbama.' 525404;1393255896;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1280 @ 0.0039 = 4.992 BTC [+] {3} 525405;1393255922;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at least gorby had his fun moments. 525406;1393255931;mircea_popescu;was it him or yeltsin that actually fired at the duma ? 525407;1393255936;mircea_popescu;it was yeltsin wasn't it. 525408;1393255957;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 94 @ 0.0039 = 0.3666 BTC [+] {4} 525409;1393255965;BingoBoingo;Sounds like a Yeltsin thing to do. 525410;1393255990;mircea_popescu;got plastered one night, ordered the artillery out the next morning 525411;1393255993;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnz9lOXQP3w 525412;1393256019;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.004879 = 0.1366 BTC [+] 525413;1393256269;mircea_popescu;a nice 525414;1393256269;mircea_popescu;lol i like that white lada there 525415;1393256309;mircea_popescu;one thing he did well was the choice of successor. 525416;1393256309;mircea_popescu;putin is probably the strongest leader russia had since roughly speaking ivan 525417;1393256324;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 214 @ 0.00394 = 0.8432 BTC [+] {2} 525418;1393256335;asciilifeform;'Му sister, do you still recall, как Ельцин бился мордой в пол…' (sf writer V. Pelevin) 525419;1393256384;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 286 @ 0.00394 = 1.1268 BTC [+] {4} 525420;1393256394;mircea_popescu;lol 525421;1393256445;KRS-One;http://www.kirainet.com/english/women-vending-machine/ 525422;1393256456;KRS-One;Can't wait for the U.S. to get these 525423;1393256470;ozbot;» Women vending machine Kirainet.com – A geek in Japan 525424;1393256472;KRS-One;Pretty good deal for $1 USD 525425;1393256482;KRS-One;.bait 525426;1393256506;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.11663173 = 0.4665 BTC [-] {2} 525427;1393256507;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 117 @ 0.00394375 = 0.4614 BTC [+] {4} 525428;1393256508;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbal5vNj4T1qznrwro1_500.jpg 525429;1393256527;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw, if you're at all curious, by very far the best contemporary employ of the romanian equivalent of mat is this bunch of kids making a cartoon. 525430;1393256539;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iCLCJifhfQ 525431;1393256539;ozbot;RObotzi.S01.Ep.1.Vin - YouTube 525432;1393256566;mircea_popescu;it is utterly untranslatable, but it is also the only cultural product of contemporary romania that i'd bother mention. 525433;1393256567;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.003948 = 0.2211 BTC [+] {2} 525434;1393256621;asciilifeform;neato 525435;1393256628;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.0039425 = 0.1183 BTC [-] {2} 525436;1393256633;Duffer1;what does the red one say at 1:05? 525437;1393256652;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's insanely hard to. most romanian native speakers could not write down the average episode even if they were given unlimited replays. 525438;1393256684;mircea_popescu;you need a fucking postdoc to even understand the whole thing. 525439;1393256715;mircea_popescu;an indicative example : loud music, the blue guy asks "cine-i la usa" (who's at the door) 525440;1393256716;Duffer1;i'll stick to rick & morty 525441;1393256732;mircea_popescu;the other guy pretends to mishear "sa te ghetzalesc in gusa ?" which'd be... you want me to cum down your throat ? 525442;1393256756;mircea_popescu;ghetz is a translation of hungarian word for cum, transformed into a verb by the romanian method of verbing (utterly foreign to hungarian) 525443;1393256763;mircea_popescu;and gusa means gullet. 525444;1393256785;mircea_popescu;s/is a translation/a notation/ 525445;1393256786;asciilifeform;not entirely related, for those concerned with obfuscations, homomorphic trickery, etc. : http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2014/02/cryptographic-obfuscation-and.html 525446;1393256853;Duffer1;i wish i could understand ep11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4itGkB168Q 525447;1393256872;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.021 = 0.126 BTC [+] 525448;1393256873;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.003948 = 0.1579 BTC [+] 525449;1393256897;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 lemme write it down for you then. 525450;1393256919;Duffer1;thanks ^>^ 525451;1393256933;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00487999 = 0.1269 BTC [+] 525452;1393257055;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 494 @ 0.00044494 = 0.2198 BTC [+] {2} 525453;1393257116;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 556 @ 0.00045 = 0.2502 BTC [+] {3} 525454;1393257177;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.13587993 BTC [+] 525455;1393257178;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 476 @ 0.00392936 = 1.8704 BTC [-] {4} 525456;1393257179;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02349997 = 0.1645 BTC [+] {2} 525457;1393257298;Duffer1;https://crypto-trade.com/maintenance 525458;1393257300;ozbot;Crypto-Trade | Bitcoin Exchange, Namecoin Exchange, Litecoin Exchange, Primecoin Exchange, BTC Excha 525459;1393257322;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 http://dpaste.com/1653751/ 525460;1393257345;Duffer1;brb learning romanian 525461;1393257421;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 211 @ 0.0008371 = 0.1766 BTC [-] {2} 525462;1393257422;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 91 @ 0.00392742 = 0.3574 BTC [-] {2} 525463;1393257423;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 677 @ 0.00045 = 0.3047 BTC [+] {2} 525464;1393257462;mircea_popescu;well at leeast you can now sing along :D 525465;1393257482;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.12 = 0.96 BTC [+] {2} 525466;1393257535;jurov;http://zevv.nl/play/misc/bugaday/ 525467;1393257604;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.003944 = 0.1183 BTC [+] 525468;1393257620;Duffer1;sweating onion sauce - that can't be right? 525469;1393257674;Duffer1;"Well ... I see a creature with mecla the beggar , like pad with wings . Between her tits have hair in their ears and runny die nears surprised sweating onion sauce ." 525470;1393257678;Duffer1;google translate 525471;1393257719;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 it's exactly right. tho i'd have said "exhudes onion sauce" 525472;1393257726;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 290 @ 0.003948 = 1.1449 BTC [+] {2} 525473;1393257732;Duffer1;fascinating 525474;1393257783;mircea_popescu;face of a beggar, like a female hygiene product with wings, hair between the tits and whey coming out of ears. 525475;1393257787;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 144 @ 0.003944 = 0.5679 BTC [-] 525476;1393257814;Duffer1;ohhh pad, i see 525477;1393257848;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3660 @ 0.00397988 = 14.5664 BTC [+] {10} 525478;1393257972;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.12 = 0.48 BTC [+] 525479;1393258031;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 544 @ 0.004282 = 2.3294 BTC [+] {5} 525480;1393258032;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00016388 = 1.6388 BTC [-] 525481;1393258092;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2081 @ 0.00016388 = 0.341 BTC [-] 525482;1393258093;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 356 @ 0.004282 = 1.5244 BTC [+] {3} 525483;1393258153;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.11701501 = 2.3403 BTC [-] {6} 525484;1393258214;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 527 @ 0.00432375 = 2.2786 BTC [+] {6} 525485;1393258275;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 79 @ 0.00433 = 0.3421 BTC [+] {3} 525486;1393258276;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.10101 = 0.202 BTC [-] 525487;1393258277;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.11645 = 0.6987 BTC [-] {2} 525488;1393258336;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 87 @ 0.00436448 = 0.3797 BTC [+] {3} 525489;1393258397;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 127 @ 0.00439 = 0.5575 BTC [+] 525490;1393258458;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.11438525 = 0.6863 BTC [-] {2} 525491;1393258459;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.00439 = 0.4478 BTC [+] {3} 525492;1393258519;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.11400001 = 0.684 BTC [-] 525493;1393258520;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00439 = 0.1229 BTC [+] 525494;1393258549;Jere_Jones;At what point does the price of NEOBEE become silly? 525495;1393258580;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.114 = 1.368 BTC [-] 525496;1393258637;Apocalyptic;silly as in overvalued ? 525497;1393258662;Jere_Jones;Yeah 525498;1393258702;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.11096673 = 1.6645 BTC [-] {3} 525499;1393258711;thestringpuller;!h b.exch 525500;1393258711;assbot;List of commands: 525501;1393258712;assbot;!ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t} 525502;1393258713;assbot;!last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l} 525503;1393258714;assbot;!mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order) 525504;1393258715;assbot;!rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r} 525505;1393258716;assbot;!exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e} 525506;1393258717;assbot;!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com) 525507;1393258718;assbot;!bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b} 525508;1393258719;assbot;!quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q} 525509;1393258720;thestringpuller;!ticker h b.exch 525510;1393258723;assbot;[HAVELOCK:B.EXCH] 1D: 0.16230094 / 0.16230094 / 0.16230094 (111 shares, 18.01540434 BTC), 7D: 0.16230094 / 0.16230094 / 0.16230094 (661 shares, 107.28092134 BTC), 30D: 0.02010015 / 0.19893903 / 0.24310363 (2586 shares, 514.45633147 BTC) 525511;1393258723;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe 525512;1393258723;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00085493 / 0.00088506 / 0.0008982 (593615 shares, 525.39 BTC), 7D: 0.00083298 / 0.00087017 / 0.0008982 (5020770 shares, 4,368.94 BTC), 30D: 0.00082189 / 0.00088785 / 0.00101414 (27032433 shares, 24,000.87 BTC) 525513;1393258723;thestringpuller;weird....? 525514;1393258764;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00045 = 0.45 BTC [+] {2} 525515;1393258788;mircea_popescu;!t h neobee 525516;1393258792;assbot;[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00310005 / 0.00349514 / 0.00439000 (123218 shares, 430.66362307 BTC), 7D: 0.00278000 / 0.00337639 / 0.00439000 (171638 shares, 579.51649026 BTC), 30D: 0.00257150 / 0.00317899 / 0.00439000 (308370 shares, 980.30640239 BTC) 525517;1393258824;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.11799999 = 0.944 BTC [+] {2} 525518;1393258885;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11799999 = 0.236 BTC [+] 525519;1393258917;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones i dunno, how would you eval it even 525520;1393258920;thestringpuller;;;calc 0.000080347 * 5 525521;1393258922;gribble;0.000401735 525522;1393258946;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 81 @ 0.00437 = 0.354 BTC [-] 525523;1393259001;Jere_Jones;It's nonvoting so the only thing that matters is future value + future dividends. 525524;1393259007;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.00438 = 0.1183 BTC [+] 525525;1393259094;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones so they got a bunch of advertising in cyprus done. by my count that's worth ~0, and they have a pretty clueless ceo/management team, which is the end of the story. 525526;1393259107;mircea_popescu;then again... im sure other people differ. 525527;1393259115;thestringpuller;babysteps 525528;1393259184;Jere_Jones;I own some and my avg pps is .001125. At what point do I say "Good 'nuff" and bail? 525529;1393259191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5631 @ 0.00089454 = 5.0372 BTC [-] 525530;1393259191;thestringpuller;what are they even making money from if they don't charge people to accept payments on their network... 525531;1393259214;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones did they ever publish a statement ? 525532;1393259214;jurov;they don't seem to have any product. to get merchants onboard, you need some pos terminal 525533;1393259219;mircea_popescu;balancesheet, cash flow, etc ? 525534;1393259253;Jere_Jones;No. Just projections. 525535;1393259266;mircea_popescu;derp... 525536;1393259266;thestringpuller;lol like tru payment processor 525537;1393259291;Jere_Jones;I don't expect one until the end of the quarter. 525538;1393259300;mircea_popescu;how long have they been trading ? 525539;1393259311;Jere_Jones;neobee? or in general? 525540;1393259312;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00438 = 0.876 BTC [+] 525541;1393259321;Jere_Jones;Duh. "They", not "you" 525542;1393259324;mircea_popescu;neobee what do you mean in general. 525543;1393259326;mircea_popescu;yeah lol. 525544;1393259358;thestringpuller;!ticker m ^oix 525545;1393259359;assbot;[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) 525546;1393259365;Jere_Jones;Since October 525547;1393259382;mircea_popescu;i guess they only missed one if they do quarterlies then 525548;1393259389;mircea_popescu;so bail once they miss the 2nd 525549;1393259392;Jere_Jones;The "IPVO" started in october. It ended yesterday. 525550;1393259400;thestringpuller;are options not moving this month? or is all exposure underwritten/short from users -> mpoebot? 525551;1393259403;mircea_popescu;not like you'll have any problem unloading to the reddit crowd anyway 525552;1393259429;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller we're out of signal atm. 525553;1393259434;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 233 @ 0.00438 = 1.0205 BTC [+] 525554;1393259456;thestringpuller;how so? 525555;1393259485;thestringpuller;like bitcoin charts has been unreachable for some time? 525556;1393259492;thestringpuller;or some other signal...? 525557;1393259516;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#506450 525558;1393259530;thestringpuller;thx 525559;1393259551;ThickAsThieves;neo does a hold a lot of coin last i knew 525560;1393259556;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1230 @ 0.00438376 = 5.392 BTC [-] {2} 525561;1393259557;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC 525562;1393259558;ThickAsThieves;another factor to consider 525563;1393259586;ThickAsThieves;ipo raised like 9500btc or sumth 525564;1393259603;ThickAsThieves;obviously some ha sbeen spent 525565;1393259609;ThickAsThieves;no idea at what price or how much though 525566;1393259618;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.1105001 = 0.442 BTC [-] 525567;1393259639;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves kinda why statements are helpful. 525568;1393259648;mircea_popescu;would resolve Jere_Jones question anyway. 525569;1393259655;thestringpuller;whoa, so gox indirectly is fucking up options quoting? 525570;1393259658;thestringpuller;well from bot 525571;1393259661;thestringpuller;hahaha 525572;1393259662;thestringpuller;woow 525573;1393259679;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00089231 = 8.6108 BTC [-] 525574;1393259683;thestringpuller;what about settling outstanding options? that will still be resuolved with 24h,prc no? 525575;1393259688;thestringpuller;;;bc,24hprc 525576;1393259689;gribble;350.98 525577;1393259698;ThickAsThieves;<mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves kinda why statements are helpful. /// can't argue with that 525578;1393259739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7649 @ 0.00089156 = 6.8195 BTC [-] 525579;1393259739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 105 @ 0.00444951 = 0.4672 BTC [+] {4} 525580;1393259800;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 71 @ 0.00446999 = 0.3174 BTC [+] {2} 525581;1393259801;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.00470024 = 0.2256 BTC [-] {5} 525582;1393259861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 227 @ 0.00446999 = 1.0147 BTC [+] {5} 525583;1393259922;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 252 @ 0.00447415 = 1.1275 BTC [+] {4} 525584;1393259983;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 323 @ 0.0045 = 1.4535 BTC [+] {6} 525585;1393260054;ThickAsThieves;ebay needs some lessons on how to deal with trolls http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/24/5442358/war-of-words-heats-up-between-carl-icahn-and-ebay-with-accusations-of 525586;1393260105;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 207 @ 0.0045 = 0.9315 BTC [+] {2} 525587;1393260153;Diablo-D3;step one: ignore all criticism 525588;1393260169;davout_;mircea_popescu i lol'd at your last article 525589;1393260400;ThickAsThieves;http://www.coindesk.com/bank-like-bitcoin-portal-neo-opens-first-branch-cyprus/ we have liftoff? 525590;1393260532;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00479 = 0.1485 BTC [+] 525591;1393260561;ThickAsThieves;uh oh they mentioned Havelock 525592;1393260593;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 120 @ 0.16230094 = 19.4761 BTC [-] 525593;1393260635;ThickAsThieves;wonder if it'll get picked up by bigger media 525594;1393260707;BingoBoingo;Doubt it, this isn't OpenBSD or anything 525595;1393260715;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00479 = 0.2395 BTC [+] 525596;1393260838;ThickAsThieves;hehe 525597;1393260898;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 229 @ 0.00479785 = 1.0987 BTC [+] {4} 525598;1393260899;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC 525599;1393260959;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00488 = 0.488 BTC [+] 525600;1393260968;ThickAsThieves;i see coindesk assumed the market cap on havelock was actually that 525601;1393260974;BingoBoingo;https://xkcd.com/273/ 525602;1393261022;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00488 = 0.2147 BTC [+] {2} 525603;1393261081;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 340 @ 0.00488 = 1.6592 BTC [+] {2} 525604;1393261142;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 133 @ 0.00488751 = 0.65 BTC [+] {4} 525605;1393261204;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.17097594 BTC to 2`702 shares, 80347 satoshi per share 525606;1393261325;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00488224 = 1.9529 BTC [-] {5} 525607;1393261386;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 101 @ 0.00488 = 0.4929 BTC [-] {2} 525608;1393261447;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 1.76010680 BTC to 9`595 shares, 18344 satoshi per share 525609;1393261508;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 112 @ 0.05943381 = 6.6566 BTC [-] {4} 525610;1393261509;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.0049 = 0.5439 BTC [+] {4} 525611;1393261510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00088851 = 19.3695 BTC [-] {2} 525612;1393261569;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.004892 = 0.6115 BTC [-] {3} 525613;1393261631;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.00489514 = 0.4748 BTC [+] {2} 525614;1393261687;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: random as shit question. does romania have skateboarding? 525615;1393261691;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.000155 = 0.465 BTC [-] 525616;1393261697;mircea_popescu;i guess it must. 525617;1393261700;thestringpuller;like are there good skaters out there? 525618;1393261712;mircea_popescu;i have no idea, i'm kinda interested in women only in that age range. 525619;1393261727;thestringpuller;lol i have a youtube video for you 525620;1393261791;thestringpuller;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhQmW21AJHI - bad footage but of a chick skating 525621;1393261804;thestringpuller;might not be completely your type tho :P (not super model enuff) 525622;1393261874;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00487975 = 0.1122 BTC [-] {2} 525623;1393261935;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00489 = 0.1516 BTC [-] 525624;1393261953;mircea_popescu;she's ok i guess. 525625;1393262003;Duffer1;taking your board to the MPsummit stringpuller? :D 525626;1393262035;mircea_popescu;so apparently apple just got owned to shit 525627;1393262057;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.05821334 = 0.8732 BTC [-] {8} 525628;1393262058;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 136 @ 0.00489073 = 0.6651 BTC [+] {2} 525629;1393262059;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [+] 525630;1393262080;mircea_popescu;"This means theoretically that if youve been using the flawed iOS or OS X systems since then, a hacker on your shared network could have captured all your data that should have been SSL- or TSL-encrypted for the past 18 months." 525631;1393262085;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you seen the shit ? 525632;1393262099;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: posted it here several days ago 525633;1393262106;asciilifeform;assumed that nobody gave a shit 525634;1393262112;mircea_popescu;i guess i didn't realise at the time just how deep it goes 525635;1393262118;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000155 = 0.155 BTC [-] 525636;1393262120;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 234 @ 0.00489999 = 1.1466 BTC [+] {3} 525637;1393262121;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.104 = 0.936 BTC [+] {2} 525638;1393262122;mircea_popescu;just went "derp, apple sucks" 525639;1393262179;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.48303333 = 1.4491 BTC [+] {2} 525640;1393262240;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 410 @ 0.00489779 = 2.0081 BTC [-] {4} 525641;1393262241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15620 @ 0.00088688 = 13.8531 BTC [-] {2} 525642;1393262302;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2280 @ 0.00088651 = 2.0212 BTC [-] 525643;1393262302;mircea_popescu;"goto fail;" srsly ?! 525644;1393262423;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.0049 = 1.715 BTC [+] {3} 525645;1393262447;asciilifeform;a very convenient 'bug.' 525646;1393262461;asciilifeform;the days of ham-handed 'nsakey' are long gone. 525647;1393262478;mircea_popescu;http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2014/02/20/remittance-map/ 525648;1393262480;mircea_popescu;check out nigeria. 525649;1393262484;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.004949 = 2.4745 BTC [+] 525650;1393262545;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 83 @ 0.0049499 = 0.4108 BTC [+] 525651;1393262606;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 47 @ 0.00494999 = 0.2326 BTC [+] 525652;1393262789;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 203 @ 0.00494999 = 1.0048 BTC [+] {5} 525653;1393262790;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4420 @ 0.00088651 = 3.9184 BTC [-] 525654;1393262850;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.005 = 0.135 BTC [+] 525655;1393262911;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1343 @ 0.0001555 = 0.2088 BTC [+] 525656;1393263073;deadweasel;nigeria rec'd 20bn ?! 525657;1393263094;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 117 @ 0.00499986 = 0.585 BTC [-] {2} 525658;1393263216;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.485 BTC [+] 525659;1393263257;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg5341322#msg5341322 525660;1393263260;pankkake;http://beta.slashdot.org/story/198557 525661;1393263277;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0049989 = 0.4999 BTC [-] 525662;1393263278;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1000 @ 0.00010091 = 0.1009 BTC [-] {4} 525663;1393263279;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.058 = 0.348 BTC [-] 525664;1393263338;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.06049899 = 0.726 BTC [+] {4} 525665;1393263339;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 305 @ 0.0049991 = 1.5247 BTC [+] {4} 525666;1393263372;mircea_popescu;deadweasel i saw 6 525667;1393263399;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0606 = 0.2424 BTC [+] 525668;1393263401;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00499907 = 0.3349 BTC [-] {3} 525669;1393263402;mircea_popescu;pankkake lol waitwat ? 525670;1393263406;pankkake;indeed 525671;1393263452;ThickAsThieves;ahahaha 525672;1393263459;ThickAsThieves;i'm jealous 525673;1393263460;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 159 @ 0.0049197 = 0.7822 BTC [-] {6} 525674;1393263461;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.105 = 0.315 BTC [+] {2} 525675;1393263471;jborkl;mircea_pankkake? 525676;1393263479;mircea_popescu;who's crumbs anyway ? 525677;1393263515;mircea_popescu;is this some guy's sock trying to pretend he's me or is it some random nut trying to say i'm everybody 525678;1393263520;jborkl;forum account that got perma banned 525679;1393263521;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 450 @ 0.00478 = 2.151 BTC [-] {4} 525680;1393263524;Duffer1;pretty funny troll 525681;1393263538;Duffer1;the ActM goatse was perfect 525682;1393263544;mircea_popescu;eccentric huh ? 525683;1393263553;mircea_popescu;hey guise you really think i'm eccentric psychotic ? 525684;1393263563;ThickAsThieves;crumbs uses another name now 525685;1393263571;mircea_popescu;"The proof of this has been sent to the person who paid for my services which cannot and will not be shown on here, due to the backlash this will bring including personal information for him and other users who have trusted him." 525686;1393263573;ThickAsThieves;i think i sorted it but i forgot 525687;1393263578;mircea_popescu;iiiinteresting 525688;1393263582;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.00478106 = 0.3538 BTC [+] {8} 525689;1393263583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9156 @ 0.00088648 = 8.1166 BTC [-] 525690;1393263583;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00509982 = 0.153 BTC [+] {2} 525691;1393263592;mircea_popescu;"Due to the real identity of these troll accounts belonging to Mircea Popescu and how close he believes himself to be to the higher echelons of Bitcoin including the Mods/Admins of this forum, i don't believe this post to last long." 525692;1393263596;Bones;btctalk drama is best drama 525693;1393263598;mircea_popescu;who am i close to, thermos ? bear ? 525694;1393263608;mircea_popescu;who is even a mod there these days ? 525695;1393263613;mircea_popescu;o wait, davout! 525696;1393263614;ThickAsThieves;crumbs is basically who almost knows what he's talking about but usually takes the trolling just ove rthe edge 525697;1393263629;ThickAsThieves;a poster* 525698;1393263644;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 21 @ 0.00509999 = 0.1071 BTC [+] 525699;1393263652;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves meanwhile i got the list. 525700;1393263655;ThickAsThieves;bitcoinnewsfeed is velacreations i think 525701;1393263700;ThickAsThieves;ffsixtynine uses socks to be somewhat pumpy 525702;1393263706;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 21 @ 0.0049989 = 0.105 BTC [+] {3} 525703;1393263732;mircea_popescu;" The Fed isn't printing." 525704;1393263739;mircea_popescu;gotta love twitter folk. 525705;1393263759;Duffer1;eoe 525706;1393263763;Duffer1;wow even 525707;1393263766;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 192 @ 0.0049989 = 0.9598 BTC [+] {5} 525708;1393263768;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.0051 = 0.1275 BTC [+] 525709;1393263769;mircea_popescu;incidentally : check out this shot https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhQVp6XIEAANOCd.jpg:large 525710;1393263777;mircea_popescu;isn't it fucking pathetic ? i mean it's obv the girls aren't there cause of the guy. 525711;1393263788;mircea_popescu;they're not even looking at him, more liek trying to get in the shot. 525712;1393263803;ThickAsThieves;i bet he's into some weird shit 525713;1393263826;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 525 @ 0.00499897 = 2.6245 BTC [+] {5} 525714;1393263887;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 272 @ 0.00499893 = 1.3597 BTC [-] {6} 525715;1393263893;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves maybe he's crumbs. 525716;1393263927;ThickAsThieves;here's my ignore list if anyone wants http://dpaste.com/1654085/ 525717;1393263949;Duffer1;can i be Crumbs? 525718;1393263951;ThickAsThieves;not all scammers 525719;1393263954;Duffer1;dibs 525720;1393263956;mircea_popescu;i recently emptied mine. i feel all nude now 525721;1393263963;ThickAsThieves;cuz i also ignore total idiots 525722;1393263966;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves wait, vampire is on irc ?! 525723;1393263973;ThickAsThieves;tahts the forum 525724;1393263973;Jere_Jones;Hmmm... the first name on your list is the dude that sold me my first bitcoins. 525725;1393263975;mircea_popescu;a, forum nm. 525726;1393263992;mircea_popescu;listen, with the new 0day scammer registration programme, does ignoring even serve any purpose anymore ? 525727;1393264022;mircea_popescu;lol ignored aussie_striker 525728;1393264063;ThickAsThieves;i think it does serve purpose cuz now accounts with more than 1 coin go up in scammer value 525729;1393264068;ThickAsThieves;so there will be persistence 525730;1393264070;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00499889 = 0.22 BTC [-] {2} 525731;1393264090;mircea_popescu;all these names i don't know 525732;1393264094;ThickAsThieves;and there is def evidence of 2+coin accounts being sold 525733;1393264103;mircea_popescu;SolarWindMiningCompany << wait aren't these those idiots with the insane ipo plan ? 525734;1393264132;ThickAsThieves;dunno 525735;1393264141;ThickAsThieves;my gavel is swift and lacks memory 525736;1393264162;ThickAsThieves;sometimes 525737;1393264163;ThickAsThieves;hehe 525738;1393264186;mircea_popescu;nice list of people who LIVE for bitcoin, had you paid attention!!1 525739;1393264192;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 251 @ 0.00484762 = 1.2168 BTC [-] {3} 525740;1393264247;Duffer1;wait so "Prism" is claiming Crumbs is MP/Pankkake and MPOE-PR and that he was hired to find out this information by a high value neobee holder 525741;1393264258;mircea_popescu;"The information & proof has now all been given to the buyer to do with as they please (legal action) - (see below), now with their consent I have the approval to post the identity of this Troll." 525742;1393264265;mircea_popescu;wait wait... i'm getting sued ? 525743;1393264285;mircea_popescu;pankkake what have you got me mixed up in! 525744;1393264293;Duffer1;this is a bizarre troll, i wonder what the endgame is 525745;1393264301;Duffer1;er endgame = punchline 525746;1393264314;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.0049989 = 0.3799 BTC [+] 525747;1393264319;mircea_popescu;i am but a simple country boy, some might say a cock-eyed optimist, who got mixed up in a deadly game of world diplomacy and international intrigue! 525748;1393264348;Duffer1;bitcointalk drama is best drama 525749;1393264355;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 525750;1393264356;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 554.46, Best ask: 554.89, Bid-ask spread: 0.43000, Last trade: 554.99, 24 hour volume: 45677.47870327, 24 hour low: 514.02, 24 hour high: 629.0, 24 hour vwap: 579.195068284 525751;1393264370;mircea_popescu;"mp is ousted as pankkake/crumbs. bitcoin plunges" 525752;1393264412;BingoBoingo;It wouldn't be the first time. 525753;1393264450;mircea_popescu;actually you're right, the pankkake theory is really... 525754;1393264454;mircea_popescu;wait. usagi invented that neh ? 525755;1393264461;mircea_popescu;or was usagi before p's time 525756;1393264494;mircea_popescu;who was usagi threatening to sue because it's me ? 525757;1393264496;BingoBoingo;Usagi I think was largely pre-pankkake 525758;1393264497;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.0049989 = 0.12 BTC [+] 525759;1393264508;ThickAsThieves;coincidence!? 525760;1393264516;BingoBoingo;Maybe Deprived or repentance? 525761;1393264523;mircea_popescu;repentance ? hmmm 525762;1393264527;jborkl;deprived 525763;1393264531;mircea_popescu;cause he had irc logs as evidence! 525764;1393264535;ThickAsThieves;http://bitcoinmagazine.com/10434/guncoin-2nd-amendment/ 525765;1393264537;mircea_popescu;of me hiring whoever to mess up his biz 525766;1393264539;ThickAsThieves;fukn hideous 525767;1393264560;Duffer1;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.0 525768;1393264564;ThickAsThieves;"Guncoin claims to exist out of a real public need. In the United States it is very difficult to find conventional payment processors willing to serve online firearm dealers. When a third party payment processor is willing to process a transaction it involves an incredibly high fee." 525769;1393264569;ThickAsThieves;how cna they print that shit 525770;1393264575;pankkake;yes, I almost invested in usagi stuff but people said noooooooooooooo and then there was no usagi 525771;1393264592;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves this is actually true. 525772;1393264602;pankkake;also, Prism is probably crumbs 525773;1393264618;ThickAsThieves;how does guncoin solve anything? 525774;1393264620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00088473 = 12.3862 BTC [-] {2} 525775;1393264624;mircea_popescu;never you mind that. 525776;1393264626;ThickAsThieves;by being bitcoin in disguise? 525777;1393264642;mircea_popescu;the true part is that gun dealers are being squeezed by obama's goons exactly on the pp side. 525778;1393264680;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00088342 = 4.6821 BTC [-] 525779;1393264680;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.105 = 0.21 BTC [+] {2} 525780;1393264682;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 525781;1393264686;pankkake;guncoin is worse, because it says "i trade guns" 525782;1393264696;pankkake;whereas bitcoin you can say it was only for pot 525783;1393264712;mircea_popescu;lol 525784;1393264718;mircea_popescu;hence "Crackpot" 525785;1393264732;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9ihtpqwVP1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg << cunt we all just get along ? 525786;1393264744;ThickAsThieves;bitcoin mag needs an editor with a strong pimp hand 525787;1393264802;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.00499896 = 0.3599 BTC [+] {3} 525788;1393264882;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is a whole u.s. subculture of astoundingly illiterate folks who will fall for this 525789;1393264897;mircea_popescu;this 525790;1393264898;asciilifeform;the same ones who came up in your research of 'sovereign citizen' crapola 525791;1393264905;mircea_popescu;o o o. 525792;1393264925;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 175 @ 0.0049987 = 0.8748 BTC [-] {3} 525793;1393264927;mircea_popescu;well... the more idiots are being drawn away from bitcoin, the better. 525794;1393264937;mircea_popescu;people going about "adoption" keep forgetting we don't want a large number of idiots, 525795;1393264948;mircea_popescu;we want a high avg iq more than that 525796;1393264969;ThickAsThieves;yeha if we spend all the idiots now, what will the smarties pillage? 525797;1393264990;kakobrekla;did you make the chart Bugpowder? 525798;1393265011;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9db3yoO1v1ry97voo1_500.jpg << aren't those great tits ? 525799;1393265084;Duffer1;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.msg3954657#msg3954657 525800;1393265107;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 380 @ 0.004999 = 1.8996 BTC [+] {3} 525801;1393265139;Bugpowder;kakobrekla: not yet. Fucking swamped with real work 525802;1393265145;mircea_popescu;I offer 1M Nxt ? what's that worth ? 525803;1393265153;ThickAsThieves;something 525804;1393265166;ThickAsThieves;what's wrong with these people 525805;1393265168;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.004999 = 4.999 BTC [+] {2} 525806;1393265171;Bugpowder;Need to figure out a better JSON parser for Matlab first. 525807;1393265173;ThickAsThieves;pankkake doesnt even troll 525808;1393265195;Bones;that's mp's serious account 525809;1393265229;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 205 @ 0.0049951 = 1.024 BTC [-] {3} 525810;1393265246;ThickAsThieves;how on earth are people still caring about ActM 525811;1393265250;ThickAsThieves;does it pay divs or something? 525812;1393265270;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves yes. 1mn nexts 525813;1393265290;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0055 = 0.22 BTC 525814;1393265291;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00499502 = 2.4975 BTC [-] {2} 525815;1393265292;pankkake;still not trading so no 525816;1393265329;pankkake;also crypto-trade is down 525817;1393265334;pankkake;https://crypto-trade.com/maintenance 525818;1393265345;Duffer1;ya lol 525819;1393265351;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 128 @ 0.00499 = 0.6387 BTC [-] {2} 525820;1393265352;mircea_popescu;"So above you see pankkake continue to smear the company ActiveMining (by calling it an investment scam, associating it with the known 'LabCoin scam', saying the CEO is facing jail and accusing me of being a scammer (!)) after Ken publicly refused to pay pankkake's blackmail money demand." 525821;1393265353;mircea_popescu;derp 525822;1393265360;ThickAsThieves;they were hacked right? C-T 525823;1393265368;Duffer1;of course 525824;1393265369;ThickAsThieves;they say they lost $30k and will cover it 525825;1393265369;mircea_popescu;these people. i wonder if there's anyone but the scammers left on that forum 525826;1393265390;mircea_popescu;o look, they could have got a mpex seat 525827;1393265411;ThickAsThieves;they are on sale havent you heard? 525828;1393265412;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.00499 = 0.3094 BTC [-] {3} 525829;1393265420;pankkake;I forced myself to log out and missed all the good things! 525830;1393265422;ThickAsThieves;like $16500 525831;1393265432;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 525832;1393265433;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 534.0, Best ask: 535.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 535.0, 24 hour volume: 47401.00643850, 24 hour low: 514.02, 24 hour high: 629.0, 24 hour vwap: 577.133067696 525833;1393265441;mircea_popescu;yeah not bad. 525834;1393265473;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.106 = 0.212 BTC [+] {2} 525835;1393265474;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 310 @ 0.00499 = 1.5469 BTC [-] 525836;1393265478;mircea_popescu;MPOE-PR: "i just... i can't even... i wasn't going to say anything tonight, but this forum has decreased in intelligence and self-awareness since last fall at least three fold" 525837;1393265506;mircea_popescu;"sometimes i imagine i'm in a floating third world bazaar full of people trying to sell socks and pick pockets and not much else" 525838;1393265535;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05800016 = 0.174 BTC [-] {2} 525839;1393265536;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.004995 = 1.998 BTC [+] 525840;1393265537;pankkake;there has been like three scams in a week 525841;1393265556;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: one of the great mysteries that my puny brain is powerless to digest is why you & mpoepr haven't decamped and left that forum to the radioactive cockroaches and rats 525842;1393265595;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.058 = 0.232 BTC [-] {2} 525843;1393265596;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4000 @ 0.00499909 = 19.9964 BTC [+] {7} 525844;1393265598;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 525845;1393265599;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform she does what i say and i never said she should leave. 525846;1393265611;Duffer1;the rabbit hole, it goes deeper https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg5341519#msg5341519 525847;1393265613;mircea_popescu;call it inertia i guess 525848;1393265641;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i meant you in the sense of your firm, naturally 525849;1393265656;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1301 @ 0.005 = 6.505 BTC [+] {4} 525850;1393265659;mircea_popescu;uh howssat ? 525851;1393265703;asciilifeform;just, how low does the signal to noise ratio need to go 525852;1393265717;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.107 = 0.321 BTC [+] {3} 525853;1393265718;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 470 @ 0.00517446 = 2.432 BTC [+] {3} 525854;1393265720;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 525855;1393265721;mircea_popescu;i never measure it tho. what do i care ? 525856;1393265728;mircea_popescu;she writes well, that's good enough. 525857;1393265772;asciilifeform;the swine appear to be indifferent to the pearls, though 525858;1393265778;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.00464002 = 0.1485 BTC [-] {3} 525859;1393265798;mircea_popescu;i think some people here actually found this place because they ran over something she said. 525860;1393265869;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg5341519#msg5341519 << asciilifeform check it out 525861;1393265879;mircea_popescu;they're doing textual analysis on me, coming to th conclusion i'm nick szabo 525862;1393265900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00088319 = 9.4501 BTC [-] {2} 525863;1393265901;asciilifeform;i wonder how many other people are szabo now. 525864;1393265916;asciilifeform;who, i wonder, am i 525865;1393265923;mircea_popescu;you are crumbs. 525866;1393265944;asciilifeform;mebbe i'm an unknown usenet spammer from 1994. 525867;1393265946;mircea_popescu;your girl is pankkake. 525868;1393265951;mircea_popescu;except on weekends. then she's thestringpuller 525869;1393265953;asciilifeform;textual analysis, wonderful thing 525870;1393265961;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.005198 = 0.499 BTC [-] 525871;1393266055;jurov;pity we can't use graphology 525872;1393266062;pankkake;crumbs was accused of being Eduardo de Castro, CEO of Hashfast 525873;1393266070;pankkake;I think I was paid by Hashfast too 525874;1393266073;asciilifeform;phrenology, 525875;1393266074;asciilifeform;. 525876;1393266078;mircea_popescu;derpology ? 525877;1393266084;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.481 = 2.405 BTC [-] 525878;1393266085;ThickAsThieves;<asciilifeform> who, i wonder, am i /// lol 525879;1393266085;mircea_popescu;herpetology was taken 525880;1393266105;diametric;so pankkake is controlled by mircea_popescu 525881;1393266107;diametric;many lols. 525882;1393266125;ThickAsThieves;i read a book on graphology once, pretty much says, people who write crazy, are mor elikely to be crazy 525883;1393266132;mircea_popescu;oops sorry guys i accidentally posted as diametric 525884;1393266144;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0051959 = 1.0392 BTC [-] 525885;1393266149;pankkake;I write crazy 525886;1393266153;diametric;its popescu's all the way down 525887;1393266157;pankkake;can't even follow lines 525888;1393266167;ThickAsThieves;broken cursive seemed to be a big indicator, if i recall 525889;1393266167;pankkake;my signature is never the same 525890;1393266179;kakobrekla;i dont write crazy but i am 525891;1393266186;mircea_popescu;anyone wanna see my handwriting / 525892;1393266196;BingoBoingo;Why not? 525893;1393266202;ThickAsThieves;sure 525894;1393266205;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00519608 = 0.3533 BTC [+] {3} 525895;1393266208;kakobrekla;its prolly like doctors 525896;1393266210;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/ajunge/ 525897;1393266215;ThickAsThieves;i'm betting it leans slightly to the left 525898;1393266220;mircea_popescu;telling natl liberal party to get stuffed. 525899;1393266228;mircea_popescu;it's a historical document of sorts! 525900;1393266245;ThickAsThieves;your sig looks a lot like mine 525901;1393266262;mircea_popescu;CLEARLY 525902;1393266265;mircea_popescu;you're pankkake 525903;1393266266;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 210 @ 0.0051985 = 1.0917 BTC [+] 525904;1393266275;ThickAsThieves;pretty normal handwriting 525905;1393266277;ThickAsThieves;not crazy 525906;1393266282;ThickAsThieves;you may put on your robe 525907;1393266300;mircea_popescu;lies. 525908;1393266301;asciilifeform;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Wladislaus_Dragwlya.JPG 525909;1393266311;mircea_popescu;preparetohearfrommyelawyer 525910;1393266316;mircea_popescu;fortheseslanders 525911;1393266327;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 454 @ 0.00519809 = 2.3599 BTC [-] {2} 525912;1393266328;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is that you ? 525913;1393266347;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's the good king vlad. 525914;1393266363;mircea_popescu;indeed. 525915;1393266368;mircea_popescu;nice penmanship 525916;1393266382;mircea_popescu;anyway, anyone can transcribe my shit ? 525917;1393266387;mircea_popescu;first complete version gets 1k ATC 525918;1393266388;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 202 @ 0.0051985 = 1.0501 BTC [+] {2} 525919;1393266395;asciilifeform;seems like there was a time when anyone with something to write had decent penmanship. 525920;1393266396;devthedev;What do you need mircea_popescu? 525921;1393266409;mircea_popescu;devthedev you mean generally or what ? 525922;1393266420;devthedev;What do you need transcribed :P 525923;1393266465;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2014#525896 525924;1393266511;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.00519133 = 0.3219 BTC [-] {3} 525925;1393266513;Apocalyptic;guys, and particularly asciilifeform, what hardware would you recommend to generate random bytes ? 525926;1393266527;mircea_popescu;cardano :D 525927;1393266537;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: how many do you need? and for what use ? 525928;1393266538;Jere_Jones;What's the budget and timeline? 525929;1393266546;ThickAsThieves;place cat on keyboard for random bytes 525930;1393266559;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, just 8 bytes, I need the best entropy i can reallistically get 525931;1393266561;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: more importantly, do you need random bytes that others do not have a copy of? 525932;1393266565;Apocalyptic;yes 525933;1393266583;devthedev;Oh 525934;1393266583;asciilifeform;for 8 bytes, toss a coin manually and apply von neumann's debiasing algo. 525935;1393266585;Apocalyptic;do I just roll dice ? 525936;1393266592;Apocalyptic;ok 525937;1393266608;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic 1F 22 5A 94 D5 09 40 8B 525938;1393266610;mircea_popescu;there you go. 525939;1393266621;asciilifeform;depending on how crufty your coin is, you may have to throw it several hundred times. 525940;1393266626;Apocalyptic;do you need random bytes that others do not have a copy of? // now -assets has them, seems about right 525941;1393266632;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 188 @ 0.0051892 = 0.9756 BTC [-] {3} 525942;1393266653;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic you know the von neumann coin debias algo ? 525943;1393266657;Apocalyptic;yes 525944;1393266658;asciilifeform;http://www.billthelizard.com/2009/09/getting-fair-toss-from-biased-coin.html 525945;1393266662;mircea_popescu;so then that 525946;1393266666;Apocalyptic;I was tempted to dd if=/dev/random bs=8 count=1 > secret 525947;1393266675;Apocalyptic;then i don't trust my hd RNG very much 525948;1393266677;mircea_popescu;prolly work. 525949;1393266701;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic the problem of rng quality only appears on large datasets. 525950;1393266705;mircea_popescu;for 8 bytes nobody can say anything 525951;1393266715;mircea_popescu;FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF is perfectly random 525952;1393266754;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 457 @ 0.00518248 = 2.3684 BTC [-] {5} 525953;1393266755;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0597 = 0.1791 BTC [-] 525954;1393266761;Apocalyptic;the probability of others guessing that is quite high though 525955;1393266776;Apocalyptic;but I know what you mean 525956;1393266787;ThickAsThieves;i'd never have guessed it 525957;1393266795;mircea_popescu;just impossible to verify entropy quality on tiny samples. 525958;1393266811;Apocalyptic;generally any statistical analysis is irrelevant on tiny samples 525959;1393266812;mircea_popescu;and yes, it SEEMS it'd have been easy. 525960;1393266815;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 105 @ 0.00509999 = 0.5355 BTC [-] {3} 525961;1393266818;mircea_popescu;but only in retrospect. 525962;1393266828;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: if you're a decent player of 'von neumann's mindreader' game, you can safely use your own fingers. 525963;1393266836;mircea_popescu;there's a slight difference between stat analysis and entropy measuring, but anyway 525964;1393266839;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, will look into that, thanks 525965;1393266854;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, yeah, was just pointing another fact 525966;1393266856;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html 525967;1393266866;ThickAsThieves;i love that thing 525968;1393266876;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.0051 = 0.408 BTC [+] 525969;1393266889;ThickAsThieves;i got into a zone where i was doing well by not thinking, but couldnt keep it up 525970;1393266901;mircea_popescu;look at that, Jere_Jones is nao rich, over 51! 525971;1393266904;ThickAsThieves;thats what she saud 525972;1393266937;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 52 @ 0.0050038 = 0.2602 BTC [-] {4} 525973;1393267005;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic actually, probably great way to get random data : select random day from log, select random portion of text, hash it. 525974;1393267038;mircea_popescu;as anyone reading can attest, this chat is the randomest thing on the planet. 525975;1393267059;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.481 BTC [-] 525976;1393267060;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.005 = 0.555 BTC [-] {4} 525977;1393267091;Jere_Jones;Rich? Eh. The depth on Havelock is so thin that I'd wipe out the entire orderbook down to 1 satoshi. So it isn't like I can actually cash out. 525978;1393267110;mircea_popescu;$depth meh nm 525979;1393267111;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 525980;1393267120;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.005 = 0.5 BTC [-] 525981;1393267181;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 882 @ 0.0048611 = 4.2875 BTC [-] {11} 525982;1393267182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00088262 = 7.8994 BTC [-] 525983;1393267220;mircea_popescu;holy shit i totally forgot nubbins! 525984;1393267242;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 118 @ 0.00470466 = 0.5551 BTC [-] {3} 525985;1393267339;ThickAsThieves;did you leave him in a trunk or something? 525986;1393267351;Vexual;tied in the celar 525987;1393267354;mircea_popescu;;;later tell nubbins`omfg you're right! 525988;1393267354;gribble;The operation succeeded. 525989;1393267363;devthedev;Hey BingoBoingo 525990;1393267363;devthedev;Anyone think Gox will ever resume BTC withdraws? :P 525991;1393267374;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves no i just went ballistic over idiot wannabes stealing shit totally forgetting to mention i got it from him 525992;1393267384;mircea_popescu;which i guess is ironic 525993;1393267393;Vexual;everyone was poliely ignoring that mp 525994;1393267402;mircea_popescu;Vexual you're too kind lol 525995;1393267406;ThickAsThieves;lol 525996;1393267409;mircea_popescu;devthedev i think there's some bets about it 525997;1393267434;mircea_popescu;nubsy should start that sausage blog already so i can give him a link 525998;1393267453;ThickAsThieves;all you have to do is auto-include your "it all started on IRC, like all good things these days" line before you speka in public 525999;1393267463;*;ThickAsThieves badoom tsss 526000;1393267472;mircea_popescu;i no speka 526001;1393267486;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 103 @ 0.00479998 = 0.4944 BTC [+] {3} 526002;1393267488;ThickAsThieves;the badoom tss was for 'give him a link'\ 526003;1393267491;mircea_popescu;who broke the pipes 526004;1393267547;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 190 @ 0.00480299 = 0.9126 BTC [+] {3} 526005;1393267565;devthedev;I guess we'll see 526006;1393267590;Vexual;mp is probably nubbins anyways 526007;1393267602;pankkake;the proof is in the beard 526008;1393267608;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00498999 = 0.1647 BTC [+] {3} 526009;1393267659;pankkake;crumbs sent me a PM quoting Prism. he's definitively Prism 526010;1393267669;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 188 @ 0.00498999 = 0.9381 BTC [+] {4} 526011;1393267748;Duffer1;nice try crumbs 526012;1393267792;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06 = 0.12 BTC [+] 526013;1393267793;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.129498 = 0.259 BTC [+] 526014;1393268036;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC 526015;1393268046;mircea_popescu;no, his ass is too big. 526016;1393268054;Vexual;neo-bee.com has an image of a man with a rope standing next to a chair in the middle of a room 526017;1393268096;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2460 @ 0.0001555 = 0.3825 BTC [+] 526018;1393268146;Jere_Jones;What is the image at the end of http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-was-written-by-the-retarded-part-ii/ ? 526019;1393268199;mircea_popescu;these self improvement idjits are ridiculous by now. "You want to do something that you enjoy every day and then the outcome doesn't matter." 526020;1393268209;mircea_popescu;derp, jacking off meets those criteria. 526021;1393268231;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones the well known headmash on kbd gif 526022;1393268234;mircea_popescu;doesn't it load ? 526023;1393268256;BingoBoingo;Maybe the point is that jacking of meets those criteria exactly 526024;1393268258;Jere_Jones;I only saw the final frame 526025;1393268279;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.0606 = 1.4544 BTC [+] 526026;1393268282;Jere_Jones;Reloading the page and seeing from the beginning makes more sense. 526027;1393268368;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo indeed. 526028;1393268376;Duffer1;oh i see, it doesn't replay 526029;1393268401;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.12947591 = 0.259 BTC [-] {2} 526030;1393268402;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00497777 = 0.2489 BTC [-] 526031;1393268523;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 667 @ 0.00492657 = 3.286 BTC [-] {5} 526032;1393268524;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.12947691 BTC [+] 526033;1393268549;Vexual;http://www.neo-bee.com/files/9313/9238/8855/neo-front-04.jpg 526034;1393268584;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.0048 = 0.2064 BTC [-] 526035;1393268601;mircea_popescu;http://sirf-online.org/2014/02/21/how-to-effortlessly-earn-a-riskless-90-on-your-bitcoins-through-the-magic-of-binary-options-trading-or-the-nigerian-email-con-tries-wall-street/ sort-of lulzy 526036;1393268621;kakobrekla;>Upcoming Products 526037;1393268621;kakobrekla;Time locked Wallets: 526038;1393268622;kakobrekla;Experience the investment potential of Bitcoin with none of the risk, agree to purchase a value of bitcoins over a pre-selected period of time and get either your original investment back or a prioritised share of the gains. 526039;1393268629;kakobrekla;how is it no risk 526040;1393268638;kakobrekla;what if btc plummets to shit 526041;1393268641;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla again this ghostship of an idea ? 526042;1393268645;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 352 @ 0.0048 = 1.6896 BTC [-] {3} 526043;1393268647;mircea_popescu;it keeps coming back. 526044;1393268652;kakobrekla;was it here before? 526045;1393268672;Duffer1;pankkake don't leave us :*( 526046;1393268673;kakobrekla;i shathap then 526047;1393268705;ThickAsThieves;i guess neo condoms DO exist! http://i.imgur.com/atiOW5D.jpg 526048;1393268706;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 369 @ 0.00498146 = 1.8382 BTC [+] {5} 526049;1393268716;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla there was a business cca 2012, different guy 526050;1393268719;mircea_popescu;it never went anywhere 526051;1393268739;kakobrekla;ThickAsThieves you dont have a problem with so much lulzy claims ? 526052;1393268752;kakobrekla;you might as well run PPT i guess? 526053;1393268756;ThickAsThieves;which lulzy claims? 526054;1393268761;kakobrekla;all of them 526055;1393268766;ThickAsThieves;the terminal http://i.imgur.com/XeITiI6.jpg 526056;1393268767;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 549 @ 0.00498452 = 2.7365 BTC [+] {5} 526057;1393268780;jurov;pirate did not invest in real estate development 526058;1393268788;kakobrekla;his face is real estate 526059;1393268790;ThickAsThieves;i missed something kako 526060;1393268794;mircea_popescu;my understanding was that ThickAsThieves is not actually related to neobee 526061;1393268806;kakobrekla;as much as goat is not related to pirate 526062;1393268809;ThickAsThieves;i dont run it or anything 526063;1393268829;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 382 @ 0.00488831 = 1.8673 BTC [-] {4} 526064;1393268830;ThickAsThieves;i make my criticisms known to them when i have them 526065;1393268830;mircea_popescu;do you run the havelock asset ? 526066;1393268830;pankkake;Duffer1: I actually force myself to log out so I can do better things now 526067;1393268832;ThickAsThieves;sometimes they listen 526068;1393268840;ThickAsThieves;i do 526069;1393268846;mircea_popescu;well then. 526070;1393268851;pankkake;I liked the neo payement receipt 526071;1393268855;ThickAsThieves;i mean run Neo 526072;1393268860;ThickAsThieves;meant* 526073;1393268870;ThickAsThieves;i am pankkake, not a CEO 526074;1393268880;Vexual;did your cousins fit out the shop tat? 526075;1393268889;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.00497924 = 0.4929 BTC [+] {3} 526076;1393268912;ThickAsThieves;i helped with the new website, though it wasn't rendered entirely to spec 526077;1393268919;mircea_popescu;so then basically you run the havelock asset but have no say in anything 526078;1393268921;ThickAsThieves;but that was just cuz i felt like it 526079;1393268926;mircea_popescu;what's going on in your head ? 526080;1393268934;mircea_popescu;suppose they split. what do you do then, apologize ? 526081;1393268939;Vexual;did you spec the suicide imagery? 526082;1393268941;ThickAsThieves;split? 526083;1393268945;mircea_popescu;yes. split. 526084;1393268950;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.0046401 = 0.2181 BTC [-] {2} 526085;1393268951;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 724 @ 0.00499999 = 3.62 BTC [+] {4} 526086;1393268952;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.12949998 BTC [+] 526087;1393268975;ThickAsThieves;suppose asciilifeform splits 526088;1393268978;ThickAsThieves;then what do you do 526089;1393268985;Apocalyptic;"<I_told_you_so> US Exchange Regulators needs to step in and Audit Mt.Gox finances to protect the US investors." seriously nao 526090;1393268989;ThickAsThieves;suppose erik scams all his shareholders what do you do? 526091;1393268996;mircea_popescu;i distribute ~1.0 par on the shares and dissolve s.nsa 526092;1393269002;mircea_popescu;i force him not to 526093;1393269007;mircea_popescu;and people get ~1.0 par on their shares. 526094;1393269011;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 468 @ 0.00499997 = 2.34 BTC [-] {5} 526095;1393269024;ThickAsThieves;1.0 par? you mena you refund the ipo price? 526096;1393269027;mircea_popescu;not very good examples, there. 526097;1393269035;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves roughly. have you seen the s.nsa report ? 526098;1393269051;ThickAsThieves;not lately 526099;1393269072;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 749 @ 0.00499998 = 3.745 BTC [+] {4} 526100;1393269074;ThickAsThieves;how does Neo "split"? 526101;1393269075;mircea_popescu;S.NSA has a total of 4`737`075 authorised shares outstanding. The total assets per share implied value is thus 0.00009980 BTC. The cash+tangible assets per share implied value is thus 0.00009828 BTC. 526102;1393269083;mircea_popescu;so it's about 0.9828 par atm. 526103;1393269084;ThickAsThieves;burn down the buildings and vanish? 526104;1393269096;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves just goes "havelock ? shares ? wat ?" 526105;1393269116;mircea_popescu;"we never heard of any of this sorry" 526106;1393269119;ThickAsThieves;they are profit-shares firstly 526107;1393269124;mircea_popescu;so ? 526108;1393269133;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 84 @ 0.005 = 0.42 BTC [+] {3} 526109;1393269138;ThickAsThieves;oh 526110;1393269143;ThickAsThieves;i have a contract with Neo 526111;1393269146;mircea_popescu;suppose they get bought out. 526112;1393269150;mircea_popescu;is this published anywhere ? 526113;1393269161;ThickAsThieves;no it's private 526114;1393269175;mircea_popescu;which means if anything goes south you will be sue-able. 526115;1393269187;mircea_popescu;at the very least as about five different torts. 526116;1393269194;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.005 = 0.375 BTC [+] 526117;1393269215;ThickAsThieves;i am only an administrator for them 526118;1393269245;mircea_popescu;if the deal goes south in any way your secret contract fails to cover for it any havelock owner can sue you for breach of fiduciary duty 526119;1393269257;mircea_popescu;as they trusted you and your secret contract to protect their legitimate interest in the matter. 526120;1393269264;mircea_popescu;and this is merely scratching the surface. 526121;1393269276;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg5343174#msg5343174 some serious conspiracy stuff going on! (too bad I actually bought the captchas for the other guy, not the reverse) 526122;1393269307;kakobrekla;i guess my question is at what point would you say "thats too much of a scam for me to administer". would you take over a PPT? 526123;1393269318;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.0051 = 0.3672 BTC [+] 526124;1393269319;mircea_popescu;"Now, if you look at his Web of Trust ratings, you'll see that pankkake has a rating from user abc4btc with the note 526125;1393269319;mircea_popescu;"small captcha-for-btc transaction". Two months later MP gave him a rating as a "python dev". MP also has a rating from 526126;1393269319;mircea_popescu;pankkake for "MPEx and other stuff" (#32218)." 526127;1393269321;ThickAsThieves;i dont take over things 526128;1393269321;mircea_popescu;definitely! 526129;1393269324;mircea_popescu;we're in the wot! 526130;1393269333;ThickAsThieves;and Neo is not a scam 526131;1393269340;kakobrekla;... 526132;1393269354;ThickAsThieves;how the hell can you still be riding that 526133;1393269391;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves if they get no roi on their advertising campaign what happens ? 526134;1393269395;kakobrekla;i asked you at what point, obviously you think its all good or else you wouldnt be doing the administration or does it not matter to you ? 526135;1393269410;ThickAsThieves;of course it matters to me 526136;1393269420;mircea_popescu;pankkake the lulzy part is the guy has a dota avatar. wtf one could like dota and be that silly. 526137;1393269428;ThickAsThieves;you dont see a difference between the things my name is on and everyone else's yet? 526138;1393269438;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 282 @ 0.00509997 = 1.4382 BTC [+] {3} 526139;1393269451;kakobrekla;you dont understand that whatever you contract says you are associated with them in public 526140;1393269453;pankkake;if only they spent that energy on researching scammers 526141;1393269456;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves seems to me you've put yourself in a rather untenable position there, if that's what you're asking. 526142;1393269456;Duffer1;ken having his head so far up his own ass he doesn't know up from down isn't the problem it's those terrible trolls pankkake and crumbs, payed by MP to slander ActM 526143;1393269458;Jere_Jones;Is that why you dropped AM1 and AM100? 526144;1393269476;pankkake;oh, dota as day of the dentacle. not the other gayme 526145;1393269481;mircea_popescu;pankkake yup 526146;1393269500;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 528 @ 0.00509999 = 2.6928 BTC [+] {5} 526147;1393269506;davout;pankkake: best game evar 526148;1393269520;mircea_popescu;it was pretty fun yeah. 526149;1393269522;pankkake;I have played other lucasarts games but not this one :( 526150;1393269524;mircea_popescu;very clever 526151;1393269530;mircea_popescu;o get it, definitely. 526152;1393269534;mircea_popescu;great humour. 526153;1393269549;mircea_popescu;that and planescape:torment prolly the best writing in game history. 526154;1393269560;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 515 @ 0.00500312 = 2.5766 BTC [-] {8} 526155;1393269561;pankkake;the only one I managed to finish was Full Throttle 526156;1393269568;ThickAsThieves;<Jere_Jones> Is that why you dropped AM1 and AM100? /// not specifically, but AM's ways didn't give me much reason to stay 526157;1393269600;ThickAsThieves;are transfer agents sued in such examples? 526158;1393269621;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.005 = 0.4 BTC [-] 526159;1393269630;mircea_popescu;there's about five yards worth of caselaw dealing with undisclosed contracts/relationships and what implications these have. 526160;1393269647;mircea_popescu;but as a rule of thumb, it opens up the agent to all sorts of liabilities. 526161;1393269682;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1036 @ 0.00499988 = 5.1799 BTC [-] {3} 526162;1393269692;mircea_popescu;anyway, as to the direct question, yes. 526163;1393269722;ThickAsThieves;anything linkable? 526164;1393269725;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/our-emperor-deliver-us/ << this is an instructive example, which was litigated in spite of the thing being quite public, and on a hell of a technicality. 526165;1393269740;jurov;I wonder why the havelock IPO is not mentioned on neo-bee.com ? 526166;1393269743;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.004991 = 0.2995 BTC [-] {2} 526167;1393269744;mircea_popescu;now imagine that instead of the two parties, there was a 3rd agent involved on one side. 526168;1393269761;jurov;why are they afraid to publicly link themselves to it? 526169;1393269771;BingoBoingo;The predictive power of kakobrekla's soul slander has lead me to submit a bitbet for consideration. 526170;1393269805;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00086361 = 0.8636 BTC [+] {6} 526171;1393269822;Vexual;lmb-havelock lmb-neo 526172;1393269859;asciilifeform;suppose $fill-in-the-blank splits << suppose we're all hanged tomorrow. 526173;1393269863;asciilifeform;suppose nuclear war. 526174;1393269863;asciilifeform;etc 526175;1393269864;ThickAsThieves;jurov neo is owned by LMB, which has a wbesite and mentiones shares 526176;1393269865;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1358 @ 0.00086495 = 1.1746 BTC [+] {5} 526177;1393269866;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.481 = 2.405 BTC [-] {2} 526178;1393269890;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kinda different things. 526179;1393269915;mircea_popescu;https://www.lmb-holdings.com/ this ? 526180;1393269927;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.004991 = 0.9982 BTC [-] 526181;1393269929;ThickAsThieves;yessir 526182;1393269951;mircea_popescu;no hits for havelock or shares on the main page ? 526183;1393269976;asciilifeform;at any rate, i do assume that mpex users have brains and that the amount of s.nsa operations presently resting on my earthy carcass is priced into the shares. 526184;1393269982;kakobrekla;Jere_Jones : its like this: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2014#517566 526185;1393269984;asciilifeform;*earthly 526186;1393269987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1027 @ 0.00082899 = 0.8514 BTC [-] {10} 526187;1393269990;ThickAsThieves;shares should hit 526188;1393269994;ThickAsThieves;it's in the main nav 526189;1393270031;mircea_popescu;i guess maybe i'm getting a broken version 526190;1393270041;asciilifeform;once the complete blueprints for the current product are published, the carcass becomes less essential. and this too should end up priced in. 526191;1393270049;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 33890 @ 0.00014522 = 4.9215 BTC [-] {24} 526192;1393270050;ThickAsThieves;neo does not have any reason to promote buying shares anymore anyway 526193;1393270080;mircea_popescu;$vwap s.nsa 526194;1393270081;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: S.NSA 1 day: average: 0.00021 high: 0.00021 low: 0.00021 volume: 13000 btc: 2.73 7 day: average: 0.00020673 high: 0.00021 low: 0.0002 volume: 21400 btc: 4.424 30 day: average: 0.00014043 high: 0.00021 low: 0.000105 volume: 123750 btc: 17.378382 526195;1393270096;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform atm trading at like 220% book. i guess you're well regarded. 526196;1393270104;asciilifeform;wish i knew why 526197;1393270105;mircea_popescu;not much volume at all tho 526198;1393270114;mike_c;meh, only if the current product is the last product. don't go dying yet ascii. 526199;1393270116;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform probably the number guesser thing 526200;1393270121;asciilifeform;haha 526201;1393270170;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00014 = 0.14 BTC [-] 526202;1393270232;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00013999 = 0.42 BTC [-] {2} 526203;1393270284;Vexual;tat do you hold shares in lmb? 526204;1393270332;ThickAsThieves;mp you got pm's btw 526205;1393270443;mircea_popescu;aha 526206;1393270476;kakobrekla;www.lmb-holdings.com/public_ledger/ 526207;1393270483;kakobrekla;this is taken from havelock or what is this 526208;1393270488;kakobrekla;? 526209;1393270494;ThickAsThieves;it's list of direct holders 526210;1393270500;Vexual;i think thats the neo ipo 526211;1393270523;kakobrekla;these shares are not trading? 526212;1393270535;Vexual;they don't become shareholders of lmb holdings do they? 526213;1393270535;mircea_popescu;bizarre arrangement. 526214;1393270546;asciilifeform;people who liked the numbers widget should respect the tomb of von neumann, not me. 526215;1393270597;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06 = 0.18 BTC [-] 526216;1393270598;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00498899 = 0.4989 BTC [-] 526217;1393270658;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00493079 = 0.1381 BTC [-] {2} 526218;1393270678;benkay`;davout i would indeed enjoy those tunes 526219;1393270694;assbot; [MPEX] [S.NSA] CAPITULATION 526220;1393270719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00088234 = 13.0145 BTC [-] 526221;1393270719;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 122 @ 0.00480737 = 0.5865 BTC [-] {3} 526222;1393270745;benkay`;wtf is this: <assbot> [MPEX] [S.NSA] CAPITULATION 526223;1393270751;mircea_popescu;wtf ? 526224;1393270756;kakobrekla;meh im trolln 526225;1393270762;mircea_popescu;dun do that jeeze 526226;1393270766;benkay`;phoo 526227;1393270768;asciilifeform;do i get tried at nuremberg? 526228;1393270778;asciilifeform;or is it conditional capitulation 526229;1393270796;asciilifeform;'inquiring minds want to know' 526230;1393270823;kakobrekla;it was a reply to the humble last line from ascii before that 526231;1393270828;kakobrekla;is all 526232;1393270841;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0048197 = 0.482 BTC [+] {3} 526233;1393270865;benkay`;fuckin with production hardware again kakobrekla 526234;1393270875;benkay`;givin me the heebie jeebies 526235;1393270887;kakobrekla;cmon i always bust balls. 526236;1393270896;jurov;we should find him a whore 526237;1393270902;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00475002 = 0.1663 BTC [-] {3} 526238;1393270903;kakobrekla;with balls? 526239;1393270906;jurov;not enough sex -> molests assbot 526240;1393270909;mircea_popescu;sure. a ballwhore. 526241;1393270917;kakobrekla;ballwhore, sounds like karpeles. 526242;1393270931;mircea_popescu;lmao 526243;1393270935;mircea_popescu;would you do karpeles kakobrekla ? 526244;1393270946;kakobrekla;i dont think hes got enouff btc 526245;1393270965;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 155 @ 0.00475003 = 0.7363 BTC [+] {2} 526246;1393270974;mircea_popescu;no no, you're payin'. he's got the tits. 526247;1393270982;kakobrekla;i can grow my own tits. 526248;1393271015;mircea_popescu;what, slovenia has a nuclear plant now ? 526249;1393271023;kakobrekla;man tits. 526250;1393271024;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 501 @ 0.000475 = 0.238 BTC [+] {2} 526251;1393271025;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 81 @ 0.00476236 = 0.3858 BTC [+] {5} 526252;1393271026;asciilifeform;for anyone who doesn't know the score re: 's.nsa', i personally only earn anything if the product works as advertised and is well-loved. 526253;1393271032;kakobrekla;but yes, we have a nuclear pp. 526254;1393271043;kakobrekla;;;google krko 526255;1393271044;gribble;KRKO-AM: <http://www.krko.com/>; KRKO - North Sound 1380 Everett, WA - Listen Online - TuneIn: <http://tunein.com/radio/North-Sound-1380-s35018/>; KRKO - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KRKO> 526256;1393271044;jurov;nah, eating hormone-fed chicken will do it 526257;1393271050;kakobrekla;dafuq 526258;1393271080;kakobrekla;here a wiki link i know you hate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krko 526259;1393271100;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 526260;1393271101;jurov;unicode fail again 526261;1393271102;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 548.99, Best ask: 549.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 549.0, 24 hour volume: 51322.07442683, 24 hour low: 514.02, 24 hour high: 629.0, 24 hour vwap: 574.306706561 526262;1393271111;kakobrekla;so it seems i have a charset incompatible with myself 526263;1393271117;jurov;indeed 526264;1393271141;mircea_popescu;;;calc 574.306706561 * .7 * 0.00021 * 10**6 526265;1393271142;gribble;84423.0858645 526266;1393271146;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 223 @ 0.00497399 = 1.1092 BTC [+] {3} 526267;1393271150;mircea_popescu;you're rich bitch :D 526268;1393271207;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 241 @ 0.004974 = 1.1987 BTC [+] {4} 526269;1393271263;mircea_popescu;;;google slovenia nuclear plant 526270;1393271264;gribble;Krško Nuclear Power Plant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kr%C5%A1ko_Nuclear_Power_Plant>; Nuclear energy in Slovenia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_energy_in_Slovenia>; Nuclear Power in Slovenia | Slovenia Nuclear Energy: <http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Country-Profiles/Countries-O-S/Slovenia/> 526271;1393271268;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1300 @ 0.00498759 = 6.4839 BTC [+] {9} 526272;1393271272;mircea_popescu;no fucking way 526273;1393271293;mircea_popescu;"The plant is a 2-loop Westinghouse pressurized water reactor, with a rated thermal capacity of 1,994 thermal megawatts (MWt) and 696 megawatts-electric" 526274;1393271295;mircea_popescu;ahahaha okay. 526275;1393271303;kakobrekla;nuff to grow tits 526276;1393271322;Vexual;sounds like nub's bong 526277;1393271329;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8565 @ 0.00013378 = 1.1458 BTC [-] {12} 526278;1393271330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00088262 = 3.6187 BTC [+] 526279;1393271344;kakobrekla;边 526280;1393271346;mircea_popescu;It runs on [...] demineralized water as the moderator 526281;1393271350;kakobrekla;bleh 526282;1393271351;mircea_popescu;check it out... it's basically a skoda. 526283;1393271376;asciilifeform;more of a ford, no? 526284;1393271382;benkay`;;;calc 696/1994 526285;1393271382;gribble;0.349047141424 526286;1393271389;asciilifeform;'... the first western nuclear power plant in eastern Europe' 526287;1393271390;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2003 @ 0.00499995 = 10.0149 BTC [+] {3} 526288;1393271391;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4436 @ 0.000131 = 0.5811 BTC [-] {2} 526289;1393271451;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 268 @ 0.00497648 = 1.3337 BTC [-] {6} 526290;1393271452;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 350 @ 0.000818 = 0.2863 BTC [-] {4} 526291;1393271466;kakobrekla;边 526292;1393271505;mircea_popescu;pretty cool. 526293;1393271511;mircea_popescu;boroz tito ftw. 526294;1393271512;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.004999 = 0.11 BTC [+] 526295;1393271529;kakobrekla;čžš 526296;1393271541;kakobrekla;yes? 526297;1393271550;kakobrekla;seems to work 526298;1393271561;jurov;yes, now it works 526299;1393271568;mircea_popescu;works. 526300;1393271570;kakobrekla;k 526301;1393271583;jurov;ľščťžýáíéúäôň 526302;1393271604;mircea_popescu;dudes srsly, learn to language 526303;1393271608;mircea_popescu;all these shits everywhere. 526304;1393271608;pankkake;âĉāǎ 526305;1393271610;jurov;just what i have on my damn keyboard 526306;1393271623;pankkake;what is your layout like? 526307;1393271625;mircea_popescu;if god had wanted stupid letters he;d have made them 526308;1393271627;kakobrekla;you just need Đ for doge. 526309;1393271634;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.004851 = 2.9106 BTC [-] {4} 526310;1393271642;mircea_popescu;Đ is for 8====Đ 526311;1393271659;asciilifeform;reminds me of a cracked copy of ms-vb i saw as a kid, registered to 'ňäáíé'. 526312;1393271662;jurov;pankkake they are under 1-9 on US layout 526313;1393271679;kakobrekla;is that "8 absofuckinglutley the fuckin same as Đ" in php? 526314;1393271712;pankkake;oh, kinda like azerty French accents. I think it's stupid 526315;1393271722;jurov;yes it is 526316;1393271727;pankkake;I am using BÉPO http://bepo.fr/ 526317;1393271747;pankkake;optimized for French but can write a bunch of European characters easily 526318;1393271766;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla yes. also penis. 526319;1393271782;pankkake;omg it has Ð easily accessible 526320;1393271791;mircea_popescu;to the moon! 526321;1393271793;asciilifeform;i thought even the chinese have renounced weirdo keyboards 526322;1393271798;asciilifeform;in favour of translit-pinyin 526323;1393271813;kakobrekla;well if you dont have Đ you can also use DŽ 526324;1393271817;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 295 @ 0.00498 = 1.4691 BTC [+] 526325;1393271822;pankkake;and no Ƀ - I only have a <Compose>btc 526326;1393271837;jurov;dž lolol 526327;1393271885;pankkake;Dž (titlecase form; all-capitals form DŽ, lowercase dž) is the seventh letter of the Croatian and Bosnian alphabets 526328;1393271895;pankkake;uh 526329;1393271898;pankkake;what is going on 526330;1393271928;jurov;we have "ch" as extra letter 526331;1393271940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2438 @ 0.00088262 = 2.1518 BTC [+] 526332;1393271940;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's a Ro keyboard like? 526333;1393271948;pankkake;if I paste it the character is transformed 526334;1393271953;pankkake;but moreover. it's TWO LETTERS 526335;1393271959;pankkake;don't call it a letter!! araaahagahg 526336;1393271960;kakobrekla;yes :) 526337;1393271977;jurov;duuno why they didn't use "x" proper, nobody takes that seriously anyway 526338;1393272103;kakobrekla;pankkake > It has a similar sound to the English dg in dodge. 526339;1393272117;kakobrekla;and those idiots call it dodge coin 526340;1393272123;pankkake;lol 526341;1393272125;asciilifeform;ж 526342;1393272142;kakobrekla;so croatian would say "dođcoin" 526343;1393272145;pankkake;ツ 526344;1393272153;jurov;ж isn't ž only? 526345;1393272159;jurov;not dž ? 526346;1393272221;kakobrekla;seems more like ž yea 526347;1393272234;asciilifeform;herr tito, famously: 'Stop sending people to kill me. We've already captured five of them, one of them with a bomb and another with a rifle... If you don't stop sending killers, I'll send one to Moscow, and I won't have to send a second.' 526348;1393272244;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 220 @ 0.00487712 = 1.073 BTC [+] {6} 526349;1393272338;kakobrekla;>I was hoping you could point me in the right direction. I see that your company is involved with bitcoin. We are hosting the CryptoCurrency Convention in NYC on April 9th. We wanted to reach out to see if a partnership opportunity would be both appropriate and mutually beneficial. 526350;1393272345;kakobrekla;jurov got any of taht? 526351;1393272376;jurov;no, because noobs can't understand what coinbr is about 526352;1393272387;kakobrekla;heh 526353;1393272393;jurov;i fear the day when i simplify the frontpage text 526354;1393272420;jurov;i only get email from vulturescammer and the like 526355;1393272446;kakobrekla;ok so here is the rest of the pump email 526356;1393272448;kakobrekla;The event is being held at the Hilton Midtown Manhattan and over 25,000 sq/ ft will be dedicated to exhibits, speakers, attendees and investors. 526357;1393272448;kakobrekla; 526358;1393272448;kakobrekla;We have a very wide range of sponsorships and promotional items to suit any appetite and will over-deliver on all of them. VIP Parties, Special Events and Hackathons have also proven to be beneficial beyond branding and exposure. New York City makes anything possible. We are expecting 1500-2000 attendees. 526359;1393272448;kakobrekla; 526360;1393272458;kakobrekla;We are looking for support from others like yourself in the CryptoCurrency Ecosystem. Education and exposure is how we all win. 526361;1393272459;kakobrekla; 526362;1393272459;kakobrekla;Please take a few moments to look over our and know that we are humbled to be involved with bitcoin and CryptoCurrency so early. The future is bright. 526363;1393272466;kakobrekla;We believe that CryptoCurrency is the future and the foundation is being set now. We are making a conscious intentional effort to collaborate with other leaders and pioneers such as yourself to bring CryptoCurrency to the people it benefits. 526364;1393272470;kakobrekla;eof 526365;1393272485;pankkake;"CryptoCurrency" 526366;1393272488;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.00482746 = 0.3717 BTC [-] {6} 526367;1393272490;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i never used one. standard-us my entire lyf. 526368;1393272502;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: same 526369;1393272526;mircea_popescu;haha tito @stalin 526370;1393272528;mircea_popescu;stalin stopped. 526371;1393272570;kakobrekla;oh yeah and the link www.cryptocurrencyconvention.com 526372;1393272594;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla who's that ? nobody in particular ? 526373;1393272596;jurov;Over 275 Coins Available! 526374;1393272599;jurov;*closes* 526375;1393272601;kakobrekla;i dont know 526376;1393272607;kakobrekla;im trying to understand WHY 526377;1393272611;kakobrekla;and then WHO 526378;1393272629;jurov;isn't that the dud with 20000 domains? 526379;1393272637;mircea_popescu;why, cause that's how you become part of bitcoin, holding a derpference. 526380;1393272656;jurov;they crave exposure, ya know 526381;1393272671;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00481915 = 0.2554 BTC [+] {5} 526382;1393272725;kakobrekla;well if doge party is not coming im split. 526383;1393272740;mircea_popescu;maybe they can paint a mutt in gold this time 526384;1393272791;Duffer1;bitcoinpetes post about doge party made me cringe irl 526385;1393272793;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 393 @ 0.00477855 = 1.878 BTC [-] {7} 526386;1393272799;pankkake;*decentralized* doge party 526387;1393272810;mircea_popescu;dedoged party ? 526388;1393272824;kakobrekla;dođe party you mean. 526389;1393272854;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.004753 = 0.3327 BTC [-] 526390;1393272881;jurov;lmao i posted that link into #bitcoin.cz (full of altcoin miners) 526391;1393272887;mircea_popescu;kara-djodje party! 526392;1393272889;pankkake;http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140224132743 that's a shame 526393;1393272890;jurov;and got immediate response: 526394;1393272905;jurov;"but doge creator is not listed!" 526395;1393272937;jurov;so no go 526396;1393272953;mircea_popescu;The length is stored in an unsigned char type, which will overflow and wrap at 256 526397;1393272955;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 526398;1393272976;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 9981 @ 0.00498825 = 49.7877 BTC [+] {22} 526399;1393273002;mircea_popescu;3! 3 major bugs in like forever! 526400;1393273022;pankkake;so you are punished for being Really Secure with long passwords 526401;1393273037;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.005 = 0.195 BTC [+] 526402;1393273072;pankkake;by the way, there is an enormous amount of websites failing with my passwords. too long(!), characters making the thing explode… 526403;1393273073;mircea_popescu;"255 chars should be enought for everyone" 526404;1393273074;jurov;typing in >200 chars passphrase is paranoia 526405;1393273089;mircea_popescu;anyway, past about 48 characters or so you get no actual further benefit 526406;1393273099;mircea_popescu;as the hash doesn't carry the entropy iirc. 526407;1393273159;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 198 @ 0.0050346 = 0.9969 BTC [+] {3} 526408;1393273184;pankkake;http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/02/24/049227 526409;1393273193;Jere_Jones;The yubikey can hold a static password up to 64 characters long. 200+? 4 yubikeys that you have to use in the right order? 526410;1393273220;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00504898 = 0.3282 BTC [+] {3} 526411;1393273361;nubbins`;;;seen thestringpuller 526412;1393273362;gribble;thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 12 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> might not be completely your type tho :P (not super model enuff) 526413;1393273386;nubbins`;okay, so we actually recorded two albums for the RPM challenge 526414;1393273402;nubbins`;if anyone's interested, i've got one of them available for streaming: https://atelierbleu.bandcamp.com/ 526415;1393273460;nubbins`;jurov, my pgp password is ~100 chars, very cumbersome 526416;1393273464;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 333 @ 0.0050099 = 1.6683 BTC [+] {2} 526417;1393273505;kakobrekla;nubbins` thats the public key you dummy! 526418;1393273511;nubbins`;heh 526419;1393273525;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 688 @ 0.00507543 = 3.4919 BTC [+] {6} 526420;1393273531;nubbins`;i auth with gribs using my public key? ;( 526421;1393273647;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.005099 = 0.1581 BTC [+] {2} 526422;1393273747;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7japhRg9F1qaxawwo1_500.jpg 526423;1393273752;mircea_popescu;"the poor probably need them more thna you do" 526424;1393273790;nubbins`;sick shoes 526425;1393273806;nubbins`;heels are L-brackets 526426;1393273813;mircea_popescu;mhm 526427;1393273855;nubbins`;also waitaminute how do you know what my ass looks like?! 526428;1393273876;mircea_popescu;i'm like the nsa 526429;1393273878;mircea_popescu;except not evil. 526430;1393273893;nubbins`;the nsa taps phones, not asses 526431;1393273904;mircea_popescu;Rod you the sirf guy ? 526432;1393273914;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1654587/plain/) 526433;1393273914;pankkake;!b 5 -1 526434;1393273953;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 402 @ 0.00509 = 2.0462 BTC [-] {2} 526435;1393273961;mircea_popescu;meh. 526436;1393274013;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00509 = 0.4072 BTC [-] {2} 526437;1393274039;pankkake;nubbins`: what's the RPM challenge? your thing is weird 526438;1393274074;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 317 @ 0.00458829 = 1.4545 BTC [-] {11} 526439;1393274075;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00509 = 0.1934 BTC [-] 526440;1393274135;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00508 = 0.127 BTC [-] 526441;1393274137;nubbins`;pankkake, the challenge is to write and record an album entirely in the month of february 526442;1393274139;mircea_popescu;ello rod 526443;1393274150;nubbins`;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPM_Challenge 526444;1393274166;Rod;hello 526445;1393274170;mircea_popescu;a there you go! 526446;1393274177;Rod;yes 526447;1393274181;mircea_popescu;so i read your sirf piece, and it is exactly what's needed. 526448;1393274188;nubbins`;it's a popular thing here 526449;1393274193;Rod;thank you 526450;1393274197;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 370 @ 0.0055 = 2.035 BTC 526451;1393274198;mircea_popescu;so, how do i get you to spend the next decade of your life obsessively covering bitcoin stocks ? 526452;1393274198;Rod;thank you both 526453;1393274207;mircea_popescu;we have a shitton of the stuff and it needs you desperately. 526454;1393274216;mircea_popescu;because most of it is horrendous crap. 526455;1393274223;Rod;Wow. 526456;1393274230;Rod;lot of scams in this world? 526457;1393274232;asciilifeform;what's sirf? 526458;1393274235;mircea_popescu;rod yes 526459;1393274242;nubbins`;pretty much 99% scams 526460;1393274245;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: This beauty http://sirf-online.org/2014/02/21/how-to-effortlessly-earn-a-riskless-90-on-your-bitcoins-through-the-magic-of-binary-options-trading-or-the-nigerian-email-con-tries-wall-street/ 526461;1393274250;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://sirf-online.org/2014/02/21/how-to-effortlessly-earn-a-riskless-90-on-your-bitcoins-through-the-magic-of-binary-options-trading-or-the-nigerian-email-con-tries-wall-street/ 526462;1393274262;Rod;a non-profit investigative reporting foundation. We do document driven financial investigative work 526463;1393274270;mircea_popescu;Rod so tell you what i'm gonna do. i'll pay you a bitcoin upfront just to show you i mean business. 526464;1393274274;Rod;Thats for asciilifeform 526465;1393274319;Rod;Thats generous, no need. getting the story out there, to people I dont see or know, its appreciated enough 526466;1393274329;mircea_popescu;yes but let me do what i wanna do. 526467;1393274343;nubbins`;try stomping your foot 526468;1393274346;mircea_popescu;you're a nonprofit, you can have it there. got a donation address ? 526469;1393274373;Rod;we have a paypal at sirf-online.org..... 526470;1393274379;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 288 @ 0.00507663 = 1.4621 BTC [-] {3} 526471;1393274381;mircea_popescu;yes well, we hate paypal. 526472;1393274391;Rod;ok 526473;1393274398;mircea_popescu;tell you what, get a bitcoin address up for donations, maybe some of these scrooges will sweeten the pot 526474;1393274399;Rod;i mean no offense to anyone 526475;1393274410;nubbins`;none taken! 526476;1393274413;Rod;ok. let me do that. 526477;1393274422;mircea_popescu;and other than that : here's the channel log : http://bitcoin-assets.com 526478;1393274430;mircea_popescu;sifting through there you can get AT LEAST a subject a day. 526479;1393274432;mircea_popescu;going back like a year. 526480;1393274436;Rod;ok, wow. 526481;1393274445;mircea_popescu;there is so much you can cover, you will literally not be doing anything else. 526482;1393274452;Rod;wild west, frontier stuff, eh? 526483;1393274460;mircea_popescu;there are some other people trying to cover things, but they're you know, doing other things. 526484;1393274462;mircea_popescu;yes. 526485;1393274482;Duffer1;people trying to reinvent the wheel and reenact the history of money pretty much daily 526486;1393274496;mircea_popescu;often with humorous results. often with quite painful results. 526487;1393274501;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15814 @ 0.00088234 = 13.9533 BTC [-] 526488;1393274506;Rod;i am unfamiliar with this world; i feel like a 70 year old guy looking at the moonshot. 526489;1393274512;mircea_popescu;how old are you ? 526490;1393274516;Rod;45 526491;1393274526;mircea_popescu;you'll be fine, there's people older than you here 526492;1393274528;Duffer1;do you know how to/need help with setting a bitcoin wallet? 526493;1393274532;mircea_popescu;course they're petrified of me, but hey. 526494;1393274556;Rod;of course i get bitcoin, just did not know of the fraud possibilities 526495;1393274562;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 290 @ 0.00508 = 1.4732 BTC [+] {2} 526496;1393274565;pankkake;this channel is basically #bitcoin-curmudgeons 526497;1393274577;Duffer1;ah so you've never been to bitcointalk.org then? :P 526498;1393274577;mircea_popescu;o.o 526499;1393274590;mircea_popescu;Rod so wait, you have a bitcoin wallet then ? 526500;1393274608;Rod;no i assuredly need help setting up a wallet 526501;1393274614;mircea_popescu;ah i see. 526502;1393274627;mircea_popescu;go to blockchain.info, you can set one up in like a minute 526503;1393274631;Rod;duffer1, I confess i have not 526504;1393274633;mircea_popescu;do not keep much value there however. 526505;1393274652;mircea_popescu;getting a proper wallet will require some more downloading and reading, which i encourage you to do, but it will take time. 526506;1393274656;BingoBoingo;Another good beginner wallet, runs locally https://multibit.org/ 526507;1393274669;Rod;ok 526508;1393274681;mircea_popescu;;;google trilema bitcoin drama timeline 526509;1393274682;gribble;The Bitcoin Drama Timeline pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/the-bitcoin-drama-timeline/>; The best investments in the history of Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/the-best-investments-in-the-history-of-bitcoin/>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/> 526510;1393274684;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00508 = 0.3048 BTC [+] {2} 526511;1393274690;mircea_popescu;that first link is a decent primer i guess. 526512;1393274696;Rod;is there a consensus about which is best for a non-profit like us that is not terribly sophisticated? 526513;1393274709;Duffer1;on which wallet to use? 526514;1393274710;mircea_popescu;if you want to autosell your bitcoins you can prolly use bitpay 526515;1393274721;Rod;yes 526516;1393274733;mircea_popescu;if youwant to keep them prolly blockchain.info, or sure, multibit.org 526517;1393274765;nubbins`;+1 for blockchain.info 526518;1393274767;mircea_popescu;i think bitpay actually pays out to paypal ? not even sure, never used them myself. 526519;1393274774;Rod;we would probably autosell since we would seek to convert to $ 526520;1393274776;pankkake;(but you will spend a week explaining to bitpay what your nonprofit does :p) 526521;1393274782;Rod;ok 526522;1393274788;pankkake;no, bitpay sends bank wires 526523;1393274806;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00509 = 0.4988 BTC [+] 526524;1393274827;nubbins`;neobump 526525;1393274833;Duffer1;ya probably fastest to get set up on blockchain.info for a wallet address, then start bitpay kyc account procedures probably takes a while 526526;1393274833;thestringpuller;paperwallets take no time at all 526527;1393274839;thestringpuller;cold storage = best store of value 526528;1393274848;mircea_popescu;.d 526529;1393274851;nubbins`;^ 526530;1393274859;Rod;ok, so I will set up one up tonight 526531;1393274867;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 549 @ 0.00507292 = 2.785 BTC [-] {6} 526532;1393274868;mircea_popescu;good idea. 526533;1393274876;thestringpuller;bitcoind is really easy to setup on linux 526534;1393274878;mircea_popescu;;;estimate 526535;1393274879;gribble;Next difficulty estimate | 3756197794.67 based on data since last change | 3964540086.78 based on data for last three days 526536;1393274928;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 204 @ 0.00509512 = 1.0394 BTC [+] {3} 526537;1393274929;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 524 @ 0.000475 = 0.2489 BTC [+] 526538;1393274984;pankkake;does Multibit keep the blockchain on your machine? 526539;1393274989;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 296 @ 0.00509512 = 1.5082 BTC [+] {4} 526540;1393275010;mircea_popescu;pankkake i think it at least tries to 526541;1393275033;thestringpuller;what's the command for blockchain size 526542;1393275037;pankkake;that's a thing to now beforehand nowadays. cause you will spend a week downloading 18Gs 526543;1393275044;pankkake;du -sh ~/.bitcoin 526544;1393275046;thestringpuller;it's 18G now? 526545;1393275047;BingoBoingo;pankkake: Multibit is an SPV deal 526546;1393275054;mircea_popescu;it's about 18 yeah 526547;1393275058;pankkake;cool, like Electrum so 526548;1393275074;thestringpuller;pankkake: lol 526549;1393275085;BingoBoingo;Multibit just tracks inputs and outputs, it doesn't do the client sever thing electrum does though. 526550;1393275111;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 228 @ 0.00509512 = 1.1617 BTC [+] {4} 526551;1393275132;thestringpuller;$ du -sh /home/leflor/.bitcoin/ 526552;1393275133;thestringpuller;18G /home/leflor/.bitcoin/ 526553;1393275136;thestringpuller;lol 526554;1393275140;Duffer1;the bootstrap torrent is really fast 526555;1393275168;pankkake;it is fast, and it has a lot of usage. I'm uploading around ~600kbs/s all the time 526556;1393275172;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 207 @ 0.00509512 = 1.0547 BTC [+] {2} 526557;1393275177;BingoBoingo;http://bitbet.us/bet/762/neobee-orphaned-in-2014/ 526558;1393275198;nubbins`;cease to be traded 526559;1393275205;mircea_popescu;that should be interesting 526560;1393275207;kakobrekla;yeah BingoBoingo , dont take me too seriously. 526561;1393275211;nubbins`;no kidding 526562;1393275219;nubbins`;havelock goes down for an hour and the bet resolves as yes 526563;1393275232;BingoBoingo;;D 526564;1393275241;mircea_popescu;nubbins` doesn't seem so. 526565;1393275255;nubbins`;i kid 526566;1393275261;nubbins`;glad they said "cease" 526567;1393275290;mircea_popescu;interestingly mod priced it 6:4 526568;1393275294;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00509512 = 0.1936 BTC [+] 526569;1393275295;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.49357399 = 2.4679 BTC [+] {5} 526570;1393275300;pankkake;http://i.imgur.com/XSS1fJn.png 2TB! 526571;1393275337;mircea_popescu;pankkake you're a good man. 526572;1393275355;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.49947444 = 4.4953 BTC [+] {5} 526573;1393275356;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00509634 = 0.1835 BTC [+] {2} 526574;1393275362;pankkake;I hope 0.9 will fix sync though, because the current situation sucks 526575;1393275404;pankkake;also, I have almost free bandwidth. torrents everywhere on my servers 526576;1393275416;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.0051 = 0.3978 BTC [+] 526577;1393275477;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00509131 = 1.0183 BTC [-] {4} 526578;1393275512;mircea_popescu;!jd 526579;1393275512;assbot;Just-Dice stat: 14549 BTC profit, 40.6k BTC invested, 704.34 mio bets, 5.04 mio BTC wagered 526580;1393275523;pankkake;nubbins`: I liked Mr. Holland's Opiates 526581;1393275529;nubbins`;tyvm 526582;1393275538;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1363 @ 0.00047501 = 0.6474 BTC [+] 526583;1393275549;nubbins`;our goal was to make an album that would cause children to weep 526584;1393275593;kakobrekla;seems the volume went quickly to 5mio and now is kinda sluggish ? 526585;1393275599;kakobrekla;or is it just me 526586;1393275603;mircea_popescu;kinda 526587;1393275620;mircea_popescu;i've not been watching it much, other than to marvel in disbelief how the profit just won't revert to normal. 526588;1393275632;kakobrekla;heh 526589;1393275684;kakobrekla;everyone is on doge dice nowdays 526590;1393275719;wao-ender;:D 526591;1393275721;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 116 @ 0.0051 = 0.5916 BTC [+] 526592;1393275726;kakobrekla;i guess its cheaper to play martingale 526593;1393275728;wao-ender;damn, that neobee stocks 526594;1393275740;mircea_popescu;http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2014/03/03/140303fa_fact_khatchadourian?currentPage=all 526595;1393275740;wao-ender;it's manipulated, right? 526596;1393275749;mircea_popescu;check it out! i share articles from march 3, 2014! 526597;1393275752;kakobrekla;how is it manipulated? 526598;1393275753;Rod;Mircea, I'm gonna set up a wallet and Ill tweet you when it's done. Probably later this week as I am traveling some over the next few days. 526599;1393275760;wao-ender;mircea_popescu: time travel has been proven! 526600;1393275777;Rod;This has been interesting, learned a few things to be sure. 526601;1393275777;mircea_popescu;rob no problem 526602;1393275779;wao-ender;kakobrekla: like they investing in their own stocks? 526603;1393275783;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 168 @ 0.0051414 = 0.8638 BTC [+] 526604;1393275786;mircea_popescu;you can drop by any time, too 526605;1393275794;mircea_popescu;(this is probably the best place to get in touch with me) 526606;1393275798;Rod;thanks. best to duffer1 and all. 526607;1393275803;Rod;will do then. 526608;1393275804;Duffer1;^.^ 526609;1393275807;wao-ender;c'mon, but they rent some kind big building in that tiny town? 526610;1393275821;thestringpuller;you must send mircea_popescu one female as tribute though for future questions 526611;1393275834;mike_c;kakobrekla: volume hit 5m 10 days agao. the line is pretty steady. 526612;1393275837;mircea_popescu;what am i going to do with more owmenz ? 526613;1393275837;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: no longer accepts btc as payment, only females 526614;1393275841;mike_c;https://bitcoinproject.net/justdice.php 526615;1393275847;mike_c;^ click 'wagered' 526616;1393275850;Duffer1;the world would be a better place if Rod started poking BFL and/or ActM 526617;1393275871;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 whatever he picks, he can be at it until the cows come home 526618;1393275872;jurov;Duffer1: do they deserve such attention? 526619;1393275886;Duffer1;probably 526620;1393275886;kakobrekla;mike_c when i click all it starts at 4.2k 526621;1393275896;Duffer1;since they're still in business 526622;1393275901;mike_c;yeah, they started tracking mid october 526623;1393275928;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 526624;1393275929;kakobrekla;got a chart from before that? 526625;1393275933;mike_c;the big bump (and reason they aren't close to EV) was nakowa dumping 1mil in action in september i believe 526626;1393275934;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD last: 167.0, vol: 95540.83355106 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 541.63, vol: 50366.28562481 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 563.54, vol: 19015.20618 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 548.0, vol: 29382.98207869 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 570.0, vol: 384.26445092 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 583.83016, vol: 13001.30000000 | Volume-weighted last average: 374.896089776 526627;1393275951;kakobrekla;aha 526628;1393275962;kakobrekla;so nakowa pumped the stats alone 526629;1393275962;twizt;lol people still use gox 526630;1393275963;twizt;? 526631;1393275965;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 332 @ 0.0051414 = 1.7069 BTC [+] 526632;1393275967;mike_c;he basically broke even (instead of losing his shirt), so they are way below EV 526633;1393276004;mircea_popescu;twizt there's a bitbet bet about it going under 150 526634;1393276015;pankkake;wait wasn't mtgox 300 yesterday? 526635;1393276016;mircea_popescu;probably by now the only point of interest re mtgox left. 526636;1393276027;mircea_popescu;pankkake yesterday was yesterday. 526637;1393276039;kakobrekla;i think the size of bets over time would be an interesting metric 526638;1393276041;nubbins`;http://www.picturesthatigoneanddone.com/product/david-cameron-washing-his-wifes-back 526639;1393276044;twizt;well i already said it was gonna drop below 100 fwhen it was 900 526640;1393276045;kakobrekla;average daily bet 526641;1393276047;twizt;so bang 526642;1393276050;twizt;didnt make shit off it 526643;1393276050;kakobrekla;or something 526644;1393276055;nubbins`;that guy is fucked 526645;1393276059;nubbins`;i like him 526646;1393276060;twizt;but <3 my forecasting abilities 526647;1393276067;diametric;mircea_popescu: so i was looking at that bet, it says "however momentarily", so all it would take is someone to throw up a buy order for 150.1 right? 526648;1393276068;mircea_popescu;so next time bet. 526649;1393276070;diametric;and the bet would satisfy yes 526650;1393276148;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.0051414 = 0.1954 BTC [+] 526651;1393276168;kakobrekla;oh there is such metric 526652;1393276177;mircea_popescu;diametric yeah 526653;1393276209;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 71 @ 0.00500008 = 0.355 BTC [-] {3} 526654;1393276212;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/751/mtgox-out-of-business-in-2014/ << there's also that 526655;1393276237;diametric;thats also vague 526656;1393276244;diametric;well the second part is less vague 526657;1393276256;pankkake;http://bitbet.us/bet/629/mt-gox-fails-to-list-litecoin/ 526658;1393276265;diametric;thats a good one 526659;1393276270;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.0051414 = 0.7095 BTC [+] {2} 526660;1393276274;nubbins`;leet-o 526661;1393276279;diametric;theres no way they'd be adding litecoin to the trading engine now. 526662;1393276285;ThickAsThieves;the title for the NEOBEE bitbet may be leading a bit, what if it just moves to some other exchange? 526663;1393276307;pankkake;bitbet titles are always kinda trolly 526664;1393276308;jurov;ThickAsThieves: which one? cryptostocks? 526665;1393276312;jurov;lel 526666;1393276317;ThickAsThieves;doesnt matter 526667;1393276317;nubbins`;heh 526668;1393276320;wao-ender;http://bitbet.us/bet/762/neobee-orphaned-in-2014/ 526669;1393276322;wao-ender;jurov: ^ 526670;1393276328;jurov;i know 526671;1393276329;nubbins`;just because you have foster parents doesn't mean you're not an orphan. 526672;1393276350;kakobrekla;is cypertrade up yet 526673;1393276355;kakobrekla;or whats that shemale up to 526674;1393276376;Duffer1;few weeks till launch 526675;1393276382;ThickAsThieves;wouldnt the parents be LMB though? 526676;1393276393;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.0051414 = 0.6632 BTC [+] 526677;1393276407;jurov;did LMB put 9k btc in? 526678;1393276414;nubbins`;not sure there's such a thing as a perfect analogy here 526679;1393276428;ThickAsThieves;doesnt need an analogy for my point anyway 526680;1393276441;*;nubbins` nods 526681;1393276448;nubbins`;title is indeed a poor fit 526682;1393276454;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1140 @ 0.0001626 = 0.1854 BTC [+] {7} 526683;1393276514;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1140 @ 0.0001639 = 0.1868 BTC [+] 526684;1393276515;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 195 @ 0.00514223 = 1.0027 BTC [+] {2} 526685;1393276745;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=485033.0 526686;1393276746;nubbins`;heh 526687;1393276821;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.00514899 = 0.2986 BTC [-] {2} 526688;1393276880;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.12944875 = 0.3883 BTC [-] {2} 526689;1393276881;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1140 @ 0.00014197 = 0.1618 BTC [-] {6} 526690;1393276882;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.5 = 13 BTC [+] 526691;1393276909;mike_c;kakobrekla: not over time, but: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=242962.msg4702939#msg4702939 526692;1393276936;kakobrekla;cool thanks mike_c 526693;1393276941;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 437 @ 0.00514899 = 2.2501 BTC [-] {2} 526694;1393276942;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00486996 = 0.2094 BTC [+] 526695;1393276959;diametric;scammers gonna scam. 526696;1393276983;mircea_popescu;later all. 526697;1393276999;kakobrekla;enjoy 526698;1393277002;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.12944877 BTC [+] 526699;1393277063;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 170 @ 0.0008638 = 0.1468 BTC [+] 526700;1393277064;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 772 @ 0.005149 = 3.975 BTC [-] {3} 526701;1393277125;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 128 @ 0.005149 = 0.6591 BTC [-] {3} 526702;1393277163;nubbins`;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3305 526703;1393277186;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.10622499 = 0.4249 BTC [-] {4} 526704;1393277246;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.10841922 = 1.4094 BTC [+] {6} 526705;1393277247;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.00514793 = 0.4993 BTC [-] {2} 526706;1393277248;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.48107001 = 4.8107 BTC [-] {3} 526707;1393277286;nubbins`;oh, karplel resigned from the foundation? 526708;1393277307;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.48035177 = 6.7249 BTC [-] {5} 526709;1393277308;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.00515 = 0.2987 BTC [+] 526710;1393277340;kakobrekla;yup 526711;1393277343;kakobrekla;prolly kicked out 526712;1393277351;kakobrekla;you know, 'resigned' 526713;1393277354;nubbins`;yeah 526714;1393277358;nubbins`;tendered his resignation 526715;1393277429;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 241 @ 0.00513207 = 1.2368 BTC [-] {3} 526716;1393277440;KRS-One;Excuse me for a moment. 526717;1393277441;KRS-One;.bait 526718;1393277442;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/0e8d30b7a79913e2208693fcd0dcb1a7/tumblr_mp9r688EMj1rvyg98o1_500.jpg 526719;1393277451;KRS-One;ahh..ty...bbl 526720;1393277455;KRS-One;fap fap 526721;1393277456;mike_c;this bet should have been weightless 526722;1393277457;mike_c;http://bitbet.us/bet/760/kuka-table-tennis-robot-to-beat-human/ 526723;1393277459;ozbot;BitBet - Kuka table tennis robot to beat human 526724;1393277478;kakobrekla;i agree 526725;1393277522;kakobrekla;at least its at 50k 526726;1393277538;kakobrekla;the end weight, i mean. 526727;1393277549;mike_c;yeah. but still can't get decent odds on it anymore. 526728;1393277556;mike_c;i don't have a strong enough opinion to fade the weight. 526729;1393277583;mike_c;should be fun to watch though. 526730;1393277613;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 490 @ 0.00514003 = 2.5186 BTC [-] {9} 526731;1393277646;kakobrekla;yep 526732;1393277734;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 308 @ 0.0050953 = 1.5694 BTC [-] {8} 526733;1393277795;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00502 = 0.502 BTC [-] {2} 526734;1393277856;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.00519973 = 0.4992 BTC [+] {2} 526735;1393277890;Jere_Jones;mike_c "fade the weight"? What does that mean? 526736;1393277917;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 182 @ 0.00511819 = 0.9315 BTC [-] {7} 526737;1393277929;mike_c;um.. here's a bad definition: http://sportsgambling.about.com/od/generalterms/g/fade.htm 526738;1393277978;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00503697 = 0.5037 BTC [-] {3} 526739;1393277979;mike_c;it basically means i can't give up the odds the weight is laying. the weight being the decreasing odds that bitbets offer as the bet goes on 526740;1393278005;Jere_Jones;ok 526741;1393278026;kakobrekla;basically on bets that you perceive close to 50:50 it only makes sense to bet when the weight is high or the yes to no ratio skewed badly 526742;1393278058;Jere_Jones;That makes sense 526743;1393278100;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00528999 = 0.4761 BTC [+] 526744;1393278162;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 159 @ 0.005288 = 0.8408 BTC [-] {4} 526745;1393278222;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00529 = 0.4761 BTC [+] 526746;1393278283;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [-] 526747;1393278284;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 192 @ 0.00529 = 1.0157 BTC [+] {2} 526748;1393278345;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.102 BTC [-] 526749;1393278405;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1107 @ 0.00529396 = 5.8604 BTC [+] {3} 526750;1393278527;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1010101 BTC [-] 526751;1393278588;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.0053794 = 0.4304 BTC [+] {2} 526752;1393278710;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00538242 = 0.1884 BTC [+] {2} 526753;1393278771;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 274 @ 0.00537932 = 1.4739 BTC [-] {3} 526754;1393278893;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 186 @ 0.00539 = 1.0025 BTC [+] 526755;1393278954;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 394 @ 0.00539 = 2.1237 BTC [+] {4} 526756;1393279015;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 312 @ 0.00539048 = 1.6818 BTC [+] {3} 526757;1393279016;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC 526758;1393279076;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 569 @ 0.00538789 = 3.0657 BTC [-] {3} 526759;1393279199;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 533 @ 0.00539 = 2.8729 BTC [+] {3} 526760;1393279259;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 385 @ 0.00539561 = 2.0773 BTC [+] {5} 526761;1393279320;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.12944885 = 1.9417 BTC [+] 526762;1393279442;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 505 @ 0.00539315 = 2.7235 BTC [-] {4} 526763;1393279443;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00088262 = 13.1069 BTC [+] 526764;1393279564;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 121 @ 0.00539427 = 0.6527 BTC [+] {3} 526765;1393279687;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00540561 = 0.2054 BTC [+] {2} 526766;1393279747;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.0054888 = 0.1208 BTC [+] 526767;1393279748;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 783 @ 0.0005 = 0.3915 BTC [+] {3} 526768;1393279869;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1969 @ 0.00548967 = 10.8092 BTC [+] {8} 526769;1393279870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15813 @ 0.00088229 = 13.9517 BTC [-] {2} 526770;1393279930;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00548983 = 0.2745 BTC [+] {2} 526771;1393279931;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 531 @ 0.00050098 = 0.266 BTC [+] {2} 526772;1393279991;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.005491 = 0.2746 BTC [+] {2} 526773;1393280052;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 526774;1393280053;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 208 @ 0.0054916 = 1.1423 BTC [+] {4} 526775;1393280113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39750 @ 0.00088154 = 35.0412 BTC [-] {5} 526776;1393280113;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 285 @ 0.00549989 = 1.5675 BTC [+] {5} 526777;1393280174;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.12944885 = 0.2589 BTC [+] 526778;1393280175;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 445 @ 0.00549988 = 2.4474 BTC [-] {3} 526779;1393280202;Jere_Jones;https://www.lmb-holdings.com/transfer-shares/transer-havelock/ is misspelled 526780;1393280203;ozbot;LMB Subsidiaries Ltd. :: Transfer to Havelock 526781;1393280235;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1227 @ 0.00545819 = 6.6972 BTC [-] {7} 526782;1393280296;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 93 @ 0.00549978 = 0.5115 BTC [+] {5} 526783;1393280357;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00549 = 0.2745 BTC [-] 526784;1393280365;ThickAsThieves;thx 526785;1393280373;Jere_Jones;np 526786;1393280418;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 198 @ 0.00549 = 1.087 BTC [-] {2} 526787;1393280479;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 293 @ 0.00539001 = 1.5793 BTC [-] 526788;1393280540;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 365 @ 0.00539 = 1.9674 BTC [-] 526789;1393280602;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1220 @ 0.00543917 = 6.6358 BTC [+] {5} 526790;1393280724;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 82 @ 0.00549 = 0.4502 BTC [+] 526791;1393280786;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.005385 = 0.1454 BTC [-] 526792;1393280847;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.12725555 = 1.1453 BTC [-] {3} 526793;1393280906;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.005385 = 0.1669 BTC [-] {2} 526794;1393281272;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.00549 = 0.6314 BTC [+] {3} 526795;1393281333;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00549 = 2.196 BTC [+] 526796;1393281394;kakobrekla;!t h neobee 526797;1393281397;assbot;[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00319950 / 0.00421939 / 0.00549989 (154736 shares, 652.89206160 BTC), 7D: 0.00278000 / 0.0038483 / 0.00549989 (239039 shares, 919.89314653 BTC), 30D: 0.00257150 / 0.0035176 / 0.00549989 (373079 shares, 1312.34442293 BTC) 526798;1393281760;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 246 @ 0.00549099 = 1.3508 BTC [+] {3} 526799;1393281821;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 19 @ 0.00549 = 0.1043 BTC [-] {2} 526800;1393281882;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0609 = 0.4263 BTC [+] 526801;1393281943;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00549 = 0.3678 BTC [-] {2} 526802;1393282004;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 135 @ 0.00549 = 0.7412 BTC [-] {2} 526803;1393282065;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 959 @ 0.00533258 = 5.1139 BTC [-] {13} 526804;1393282126;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 505 @ 0.0053 = 2.6765 BTC [-] 526805;1393282127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00087541 = 7.0033 BTC [-] 526806;1393282127;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1175 @ 0.0055 = 6.4625 BTC 526807;1393282248;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 118 @ 0.00529999 = 0.6254 BTC [-] {2} 526808;1393282249;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.12699987 = 0.508 BTC [-] 526809;1393282309;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.12699988 BTC [+] 526810;1393282310;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 287 @ 0.00522753 = 1.5003 BTC [-] {4} 526811;1393282370;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.0051 = 0.3876 BTC [-] {4} 526812;1393282554;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.12699988 = 0.254 BTC [+] 526813;1393282555;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0055 = 0.165 BTC 526814;1393282614;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 137 @ 0.00510365 = 0.6992 BTC [-] {8} 526815;1393282675;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 800 @ 0.00502448 = 4.0196 BTC [-] {5} 526816;1393282736;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 469 @ 0.00504603 = 2.3666 BTC [+] {7} 526817;1393282797;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.127 = 0.254 BTC [+] 526818;1393282798;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.005 = 0.125 BTC [-] 526819;1393282858;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.005 = 0.3 BTC [-] 526820;1393282919;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.12699999 = 0.381 BTC [-] 526821;1393282920;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 361 @ 0.00496998 = 1.7942 BTC [-] {5} 526822;1393283039;Bugpowderr;kakobrekla: got the chart 526823;1393283041;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 602 @ 0.0048072 = 2.8939 BTC [-] {11} 526824;1393283042;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.12889999 = 0.2578 BTC [+] 526825;1393283153;peterl;looks like neobee is entering the 'dump' stage of the pump and dump 526826;1393283163;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.00469 = 0.4456 BTC [-] 526827;1393283224;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1321 @ 0.00457547 = 6.0442 BTC [-] {11} 526828;1393283285;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.004505 = 0.1577 BTC [-] 526829;1393283346;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2010 @ 0.00402312 = 8.0865 BTC [-] {10} 526830;1393283349;kakobrekla;anything interesting ? 526831;1393283393;Bugpowderr;yes but I need more data now 526832;1393283407;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 800 @ 0.00401 = 3.208 BTC [-] 526833;1393283443;kakobrekla;anything reasonable? 526834;1393283468;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.10855 = 0.2171 BTC [+] {2} 526835;1393283529;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1065 @ 0.00400222 = 4.2624 BTC [-] {4} 526836;1393283590;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00400666 = 1.0017 BTC [+] {2} 526837;1393283632;Bugpowderr;Sorry doing an experiment 526838;1393283651;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 162 @ 0.004 = 0.648 BTC [-] {2} 526839;1393283704;Bugpowderr;The address at one point moves 437,000 BTC, then bifurcates that several times into smaller addresses, some of which eventually get returned to the green address. Let's call these putative cold storage addresses. 526840;1393283713;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06089999 = 0.1218 BTC [+] 526841;1393283730;Bugpowderr;How do I do that ghost thing so I can get my nick back? 526842;1393283834;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 526843;1393283919;Bugpowderr;http://imgur.com/a/rzLCu 526844;1393283919;ozbot;Gox Analysis - Imgur 526845;1393284078;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.0008214 = 0.4107 BTC [-] {2} 526846;1393284083;Jere_Jones;Does that mean that about half the original btc are sitting roughly 2 hops away from the green address? 526847;1393284109;Jere_Jones;nm. I, apparently, can't read a label. 526848;1393284140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4211 @ 0.00087541 = 3.6864 BTC [-] 526849;1393284200;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00439 = 0.1493 BTC [-] 526850;1393284201;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 100 @ 0.0021 = 0.21 BTC [+] 526851;1393284203;ThickAsThieves;not sure how to read that chart, does it need a timeline? 526852;1393284228;Bugpowderr;kakobrekla: I need a JSON of all transactions that have 1 input and two outputs from block 156631 thru 156900. 526853;1393284247;Bugpowderr;ThickAsThieves: the x axis is a timeline (in transaction #) 526854;1393284247;kakobrekla;k 526855;1393284261;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1036 @ 0.00414564 = 4.2949 BTC [-] {12} 526856;1393284262;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 100 @ 0.0021 = 0.21 BTC [+] 526857;1393284262;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4805 BTC [+] 526858;1393284267;ThickAsThieves;transaction qty, or # 526859;1393284289;Bugpowderr;Then we can see all the putative cold storage addresses, and how many eventually pour back into the green address 526860;1393284316;ThickAsThieves;so what's to be gleaned so far? 526861;1393284317;kakobrekla;em, you mean all from that list or all tx on the network 526862;1393284319;Bugpowderr;ThickAsThieves: sequential... I will replot it based on block ID 526863;1393284322;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 100 @ 0.0021 = 0.21 BTC [+] 526864;1393284375;Bugpowderr;kakobrekla: I mean for the network.... Is there a tool I can use to scrape this out of the block chain data myself? 526865;1393284384;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.12889999 BTC [+] 526866;1393284385;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 100 @ 0.0021 = 0.21 BTC [+] 526867;1393284405;kakobrekla;well any blockchain parser is such tool 526868;1393284444;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48001 BTC [-] 526869;1393284445;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.12889999 = 0.2578 BTC [+] 526870;1393284446;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.004389 = 0.3862 BTC [+] {2} 526871;1393284451;Bugpowderr;ok I will try to figure that out... Doing lots of stuff at the moment 526872;1393284471;Bugpowderr;Anyway... That block range is the key block range I think MtGox set up their cold addresses in. 526873;1393284488;kakobrekla;i pinged my bois, mebbe ill get a reply tomorro 526874;1393284505;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 509 @ 0.00403844 = 2.0556 BTC [-] {5} 526875;1393284506;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 100 @ 0.0021 = 0.21 BTC [+] 526876;1393284566;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00438062 = 0.3504 BTC [+] {3} 526877;1393284627;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00439999 = 0.154 BTC [+] {2} 526878;1393284688;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00439971 = 1.0999 BTC [-] {3} 526879;1393284689;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.12699998 = 0.381 BTC [-] 526880;1393284749;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 307 @ 0.00439826 = 1.3503 BTC [-] {3} 526881;1393284810;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.0044 = 0.1364 BTC [+] {3} 526882;1393284871;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00469999 = 0.47 BTC [+] {2} 526883;1393284933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00088076 = 11.7141 BTC [+] 526884;1393284933;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 247 @ 0.00450259 = 1.1121 BTC [-] {6} 526885;1393285054;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.12699998 = 0.254 BTC [-] 526886;1393285176;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0049 = 0.245 BTC [+] 526887;1393285237;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 430 @ 0.00490894 = 2.1108 BTC [+] {3} 526888;1393285252;Bugpowderr;ThickAsThieves: Updated http://imgur.com/a/rzLCu 526889;1393285298;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00497435 = 0.194 BTC [+] {3} 526890;1393285322;ThickAsThieves;what amount of confidence do you have, after your next set of data processing, in fully identifying all of gox's coins 526891;1393285330;Bugpowderr;0% 526892;1393285334;ThickAsThieves;hehe 526893;1393285341;Bugpowderr;There is no way to be sure 526894;1393285349;ThickAsThieves;i suppose you cna only prove they DO have them with some confidence 526895;1393285351;ThickAsThieves;not that they dont 526896;1393285354;Bugpowderr;but we can see if there are some patterns and get a feeling for it 526897;1393285359;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.005 = 0.7 BTC [+] 526898;1393285360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2416 @ 0.00088147 = 2.1296 BTC [+] 526899;1393285381;Bugpowderr;and there is a very clear pattern starting here https://blockchain.info/tx/478ea915aa3a2e54503c43e1c5659722b42a784412423a05394c83a44affb805 526900;1393285401;ThickAsThieves;a pattern showing what? 526901;1393285420;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.005 = 0.12 BTC [+] 526902;1393285445;Bugpowder;A repeated and quick bifurcation of funds 526903;1393285467;Bugpowder;addresses getting cut in half 5 of 6 times, then sitting for a while, some going back into the green address. 526904;1393285481;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 436 @ 0.00495229 = 2.1592 BTC [-] {3} 526905;1393285482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28864 @ 0.00088258 = 25.4748 BTC [+] {2} 526906;1393285584;ThickAsThieves;why would they do that? 526907;1393285604;ThickAsThieves;i cna understand breaking it up into other wallets, by why go back to the green one? 526908;1393285664;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00494999 = 0.2475 BTC [-] 526909;1393285725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19972 @ 0.00088147 = 17.6047 BTC [-] 526910;1393285783;Bugpowder;ThickAsThieves: To top up the withdrawals? Maybe the green address is their hot wallet? 526911;1393285822;*;nubbins` scratches head 526912;1393285851;nubbins`;but why bifurcate 5 times on the way from cold to hot? 526913;1393285910;ThickAsThieves;only reason to split is security right? 526914;1393285967;Bugpowder;kakobrekla: I think I can scrape the specific blocks I need from block chain.info 526915;1393285969;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00494999 = 0.1732 BTC [-] {3} 526916;1393285984;nubbins`;so they're taking a huge cold wallet and splitting it into several smaller cold wallets and one hot wallet 526917;1393285993;Bugpowder;nubbins`: Correct 526918;1393286008;Bugpowder;more like a huge hot wallet and splitting into many cold 526919;1393286015;*;nubbins` nods 526920;1393286018;nubbins`;right, sure 526921;1393286018;Bugpowder;which occasionally get pushed back to the hot 526922;1393286031;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 18275 @ 0.00016906 = 3.0896 BTC [+] {10} 526923;1393286274;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8303 @ 0.00019433 = 1.6135 BTC [+] {12} 526924;1393286878;fract4l;http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/post/77745633839/bitcoins-apocalyptic-moment-mt-gox-may-have-lost 526925;1393286886;fract4l;gox lost 750k btc 526926;1393286933;zoinky;LOL 526927;1393286959;zoinky;two bit idiot 526928;1393286987;Namworld;lol whut. This is golden bullshit right at the first paragraph. Gotta read that. 526929;1393286999;fract4l;sell your goxcoins on builder ASAP 526930;1393287003;fract4l;going to zero 526931;1393287009;zoinky;oh the fud 526932;1393287067;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1021 @ 0.0002 = 0.2042 BTC [+] {3} 526933;1393287217;Bugpowder;I'm hooping my analysis is somewhat more reality based 526934;1393287250;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 245 @ 0.00491995 = 1.2054 BTC [-] {5} 526935;1393287494;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.004919 = 0.305 BTC [-] {2} 526936;1393287496;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 128 @ 0.0055 = 0.704 BTC 526937;1393287555;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 151 @ 0.00491899 = 0.7428 BTC [-] {3} 526938;1393287738;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00489925 = 0.9799 BTC [-] {2} 526939;1393287742;dignork;fract4l: apparently one of your nicks was PanicSellBTC, or maybe just ip match, but still, good luck 526940;1393287792;MisterE;where is the bottom? 526941;1393287795;fract4l;dignork: hahah. how did you look that up 526942;1393287796;MisterE;this feels like it 526943;1393287804;MisterE;time to buy eh? 526944;1393287816;mike_c;wait.. are you saying gox is insolvent?? 526945;1393287831;dignork;fract4l: otcdb street magic 526946;1393287855;fract4l;url? 526947;1393287860;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.0055 = 0.825 BTC {2} 526948;1393287880;fract4l;i really should start using vps's more often 526949;1393287891;KRS-One;yea 526950;1393287907;fract4l;can anyone recommend a good one that takes BTC w/ instant setup? 526951;1393287913;mike_c;fract4l can i sell you my bitcoin? i'll send first. 526952;1393287971;fract4l;$1 each. thnx 526953;1393287982;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.06089999 = 0.4263 BTC [+] 526954;1393288043;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00489999 = 0.2156 BTC [+] 526955;1393288409;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00475759 = 0.4377 BTC [-] {6} 526956;1393288445;dexX7;must be legit - "bitcoin" (not "Bitcoin", well at least sometimes), "Blockchain.info" (not blockchain.info) and round quotation marks.. matches the style used in previous statements ;) 526957;1393288470;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00455327 = 0.9107 BTC [-] {9} 526958;1393288531;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00486973 = 0.3652 BTC [+] {3} 526959;1393288592;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00489 = 0.2201 BTC [+] 526960;1393288653;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 326 @ 0.00489352 = 1.5953 BTC [+] {3} 526961;1393288677;KRS-One;are u guys watching these marekts 526962;1393288681;KRS-One;this is monumental 526963;1393288687;nubbins`;;;ticker --market all 526964;1393288694;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD last: 137.90103, vol: 102195.07906128 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 512.52, vol: 52396.43876218 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 544.756, vol: 21501.47774 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 515.0, vol: 33888.95997588 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 560.98, vol: 379.37892913 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 573.17836, vol: 13452.49200000 | Volume-weighted last average: 348.666592134 526965;1393288767;ThickAsThieves;what hapnd? 526966;1393288816;ThickAsThieves;some guy posted a blog with no data? 526967;1393288818;ThickAsThieves;lol 526968;1393288825;Namworld;yes 526969;1393288836;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00489 = 0.2347 BTC [-] 526970;1393288837;nubbins`;on his tumblr, no less 526971;1393288842;Bugpowder;jumpy folks 526972;1393288872;ThickAsThieves;http://www.coindesk.com/playboy-plus-accepting-bitcoin-payments/ 526973;1393288880;ThickAsThieves;moon the moon! 526974;1393288888;Bugpowder;The good news is that I have interfaced matlab with block chain.info so I can spider through these addresses instead of hand analyzing them 526975;1393288897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18622 @ 0.0008827 = 16.4376 BTC [+] {2} 526976;1393288906;mike_c;wow. that sounds cool. is it performant? 526977;1393288907;Bugpowder;Soon we will see what happened to the cold wallets. 526978;1393288937;mike_c;did i just make up a word? what i meant is it is fast? 526979;1393288943;Bugpowder;I doubt it 526980;1393288957;nubbins`;heh 526981;1393288963;Bugpowder;2 seconds per block 526982;1393288973;dignork;Bugpowder: how do you locate the wallets? I mean what are the graph scan conditions? 526983;1393288975;Bugpowder;but I probably only need <100 blocks 526984;1393288976;kakobrekla;so no need for me to pull the data? 526985;1393288981;Bugpowder;kakobrekla: correct 526986;1393288983;kakobrekla;k 526987;1393289038;Bugpowder;dignork: all the addresses that had near even splits off of this transaction https://blockchain.info/tx/478ea915aa3a2e54503c43e1c5659722b42a784412423a05394c83a44affb805 526988;1393289080;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00489989 = 0.98 BTC [+] 526989;1393289083;Bugpowder;A bunch were rapidly chained down to addresses of a few 1000 BTC each then they sat for a while 526990;1393289099;dignork;Bugpowder: ok, but how do you know the owner of 1M1ZkWpHfuQthji2AVsGDvpfY2PrcXQar6 ? 526991;1393289100;Bugpowder;The list may not be exhaustive though 526992;1393289106;Bugpowder;dignork: That is known 526993;1393289113;Bugpowder;to be mt gox 526994;1393289132;Bugpowder;as the mt gox green address passes it the coins several links up the chain. 526995;1393289133;dignork;Bugpowder: public sources? link? 526996;1393289141;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00489089 = 0.1076 BTC [-] {2} 526997;1393289153;nubbins`;mike_c any luck with eulora? 526998;1393289159;Bugpowder;http://imgur.com/a/rzLCu 526999;1393289160;ozbot;Gox Analysis - Imgur 527000;1393289162;Bugpowder;see inset text 527001;1393289176;mike_c;pretty bad luck. chetty suggested graphics drivers. so i updated my drivers and it hosed the box. 527002;1393289185;nubbins`;ah, bummer 527003;1393289195;nubbins`;might be worth setting up a VM 527004;1393289196;mike_c;so i reinstalled, switching from ubuntu 13 to 12.04 527005;1393289202;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00489 = 0.1956 BTC [-] {2} 527006;1393289208;mike_c;installed drivers, ran it. 527007;1393289218;mike_c;and got a seg fault even earlier than before 527008;1393289223;*;nubbins` nods 527009;1393289234;KRS-One;Bugpowder: matlap + blockchain ftw 527010;1393289236;KRS-One;gj 527011;1393289240;KRS-One;matlab 527012;1393289250;jurov;yes? i got segfault too 527013;1393289262;jurov;right on startup 527014;1393289263;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 86 @ 0.00489 = 0.4205 BTC [-] {2} 527015;1393289268;jurov;(eulora) 527016;1393289270;mike_c;yeah, that's where i'm at. 527017;1393289278;mike_c;has anyone actually got it running? 527018;1393289309;nubbins`;heh nope 527019;1393289315;nubbins`;what bundle did you grab CS from, 0.0.1? 527020;1393289317;jurov;0.0.1 was working 527021;1393289319;Bugpowder;I need to go record from the mouse brains... Will put this on hold for a bit. 527022;1393289324;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00489 = 0.1516 BTC [-] 527023;1393289325;mike_c;nubbins`: yes. 527024;1393289328;Bugpowder;back in a few with more data. 527025;1393289335;jurov;i tried CS both from gentoo ebuild 527026;1393289351;jurov;but it was 2.0 and eulora needs 2.1 ?? 527027;1393289356;mike_c;yeah 527028;1393289360;jurov;which isn't released yet 527029;1393289361;mike_c;bleeding edge 527030;1393289364;nubbins`;i tried compiling a couple of 2.1 snapshots 527031;1393289366;nubbins`;no dice 527032;1393289395;jurov;eulora doesn't ship their CS cource? 527033;1393289418;nubbins`;i feel like it's in one of the earlier bundles 527034;1393289424;nubbins`;downloading em now 527035;1393289430;jurov;maybe they patched it internally 527036;1393289453;jurov;becuse i then used CS from 0.0.1 and it segfaults 527037;1393289457;nubbins`;ha 527038;1393289460;nubbins`;i mean, ah 527039;1393289471;nubbins`;wasnt laughing :( 527040;1393289479;jurov;you! 527041;1393289480;jurov;:D 527042;1393289481;nubbins`;D: 527043;1393289507;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00489 = 0.1663 BTC [-] 527044;1393289568;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 112 @ 0.00488899 = 0.5476 BTC [-] {2} 527045;1393289576;nubbins`;i'm gonna set up a wordpress blog in the next couple days so we can have a permanent home for compiling/troubleshooting etc info 527046;1393289600;mike_c;good idea 527047;1393289608;mike_c;maybe wiki? 527048;1393289620;nubbins`;not much experience with wikis 527049;1393289623;nubbins`;and wordpress is free ;D 527050;1393289629;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00489647 = 0.9793 BTC [+] {3} 527051;1393289637;mike_c;so is wikimedia. just could be good to let anyone edit it 527052;1393289645;nubbins`;free hosting? 527053;1393289660;mike_c;lemme look 527054;1393289672;nubbins`;didn't think so, but honestly don't know 527055;1393289695;jurov;you can ask chetty if it can be right on minigame.bz, no? 527056;1393289752;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00489989 = 0.3283 BTC [+] {2} 527057;1393289753;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.125 = 0.75 BTC [-] {2} 527058;1393289767;mike_c;meh, http://wikkii.com/wiki/Free_Wiki_Hosting 527059;1393289786;mike_c;i'd be willing to host one if there's interest. 527060;1393289797;nubbins`;http://wikkii.com/wiki/Features 527061;1393289798;ozbot;Features - Free Wiki Hosting - Wikkii - Free MediaWiki Host 527062;1393289799;nubbins`;hm. 527063;1393289800;jurov;i have nice and horribly underutilized php hosting at gandi, too 527064;1393289813;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.004899 = 0.4899 BTC [-] 527065;1393289821;nubbins`;well i've got a saucy domain name 527066;1393289825;jurov;only use that free hosting if they allow backups 527067;1393289827;nubbins`;with our powers combined... 527068;1393289828;mike_c;btcalpha isn't exactly crumbling under the traffic load :) 527069;1393289865;jurov;welll... what about the jursdiction 527070;1393289869;mike_c;saucy domain name? what is it? 527071;1393289873;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.0048925 = 0.2642 BTC [-] {3} 527072;1393289891;nubbins`;eulorum.org 527073;1393289920;nubbins`;oh, CS in 0.0.1 is precompiled? i can't use this D: 527074;1393289977;nubbins`;(eulorum being both the singular of eulora and a portmanteau of "eulora" and "forum") 527075;1393289998;mike_c;i like it. so we have a domain name. what about software? any suggestions better than wikimedia? 527076;1393290012;nubbins`;i gotta say, i don't really like wikis 527077;1393290018;nubbins`;too disorganized 527078;1393290040;mike_c;you think blog style is better than community edit? 527079;1393290066;jurov;anything can get disorganized 527080;1393290076;nubbins`;well, if you give a few people write access 527081;1393290093;nubbins`;it's not a huge effort to modify, say, a post about compile instructions based on feedback in comments 527082;1393290139;nubbins`;that said, blog comments aren't great for back-and-forth 527083;1393290196;nubbins`;oof, lel, the first three links on http://minigame.bz/eulora/binaries/ all point to 0.0.1 527084;1393290196;mike_c;i prefer wiki-style, but you're the one with the hot domain name 527085;1393290199;nubbins`;just re-downloaded it ;( 527086;1393290216;nubbins`;jurov's the one with the underutilized hosting 527087;1393290239;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00489971 = 1.4699 BTC [+] {5} 527088;1393290288;jurov;mike_c has hosrting, too. but it's in the US? 527089;1393290300;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.0049 = 0.196 BTC [+] 527090;1393290308;mike_c;virginia. it's good stuff, very close to nsa for easy monitoring. 527091;1393290313;nubbins`;heh 527092;1393290361;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.0049 = 0.196 BTC [+] 527093;1393290362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00088342 = 5.3447 BTC [+] 527094;1393290362;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.12225225 = 0.489 BTC [-] {2} 527095;1393290388;nubbins`;well, doesn't matter much to me who hosts it, why don't you guys flip a ;;coin or have an armwrestle or something 527096;1393290422;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.00485 = 0.3589 BTC [-] 527097;1393290482;jurov;well, i'd be like, here's sftp account, diy 527098;1393290490;jurov;maybe mike can help more? 527099;1393290517;mike_c;i'd be fine with putting something up 527100;1393290568;mike_c;i mean, if it's wordpress we can just let them host. but i can throw up a wiki if that's the decision. 527101;1393290585;nubbins`;let's try a wiki and see what happens 527102;1393290591;mike_c;ok 527103;1393290605;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.00489999 = 0.2499 BTC [+] 527104;1393290606;nubbins`;PM me dns servers and i'll update 527105;1393290630;mike_c;sure. i'll set it up tomorrow and send you info. 527106;1393290642;nubbins`;lovely! 527107;1393290666;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 716 @ 0.00492927 = 3.5294 BTC [+] {3} 527108;1393290701;jurov;good. i'm at amazon, too, if you need sth 527109;1393290722;*;nubbins` nods 527110;1393290727;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2020 @ 0.00498917 = 10.0781 BTC [+] {3} 527111;1393290788;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 498 @ 0.00499873 = 2.4894 BTC [+] {3} 527112;1393290789;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.108555 = 0.6513 BTC [+] {2} 527113;1393290790;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.06089999 = 0.3045 BTC [-] 527114;1393290834;MisterE;" MisterE, the volume numbers on MPOE for depth are complete and utter nonesense, he's claiming that his ultra thinly traded virtual stock trading on it's own market is worth more than a mtgox because the spot price was ludicrous" 527115;1393290849;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 670 @ 0.005 = 3.35 BTC [+] {5} 527116;1393290910;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.109 = 0.436 BTC [+] {2} 527117;1393290929;nubbins`;the coffee i'm drinking is worth more than gox 527118;1393290969;MisterE;lol 527119;1393290971;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10994 BTC [+] 527120;1393290972;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0609 = 0.1218 BTC [+] 527121;1393290973;MisterE;this was back at the time 527122;1393291011;MisterE;note date nubbins` http://trilema.com/2012/why-smpoe-is-worth-more-than-mtgox/ 527123;1393291013;bit14;!last havelock neobee 527124;1393291013;assbot;Last trade for NEOBEE on HAVELOCK was at 0.005 BTC [+] 527125;1393291026;nubbins`;heh 527126;1393291032;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10995 = 0.3299 BTC [+] 527127;1393291033;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.005 = 0.25 BTC [+] 527128;1393291093;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.005 = 0.2 BTC [+] 527129;1393291094;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-] {2} 527130;1393291459;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.005 = 0.55 BTC [+] {3} 527131;1393291521;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.005 = 0.16 BTC [+] {2} 527132;1393291643;jurov;!t m x.eur 527133;1393291644;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.002 / 0.00205889 / 0.0021 (849 shares, 1.75 BTC), 7D: 0.002 / 0.00211812 / 0.00226762 (3958 shares, 8.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00166114 / 0.00187389 / 0.00226762 (16869 shares, 31.61 BTC) 527134;1393291689;jurov;;;calc 1/0.00211812 527135;1393291689;gribble;472.116782807 527136;1393291730;jurov;;;bc,convert eur 527137;1393291731;gribble;1 BTC = 529.12 USD = 385.19936 eur 527138;1393291740;jurov;mhm 527139;1393291947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00088152 = 11.1953 BTC [-] {2} 527140;1393291947;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 108 @ 0.005 = 0.54 BTC [+] {2} 527141;1393291971;pankkake;http://www.reddit.com/r/LivingWageCoin/ 527142;1393291971;ozbot;Crytocurrency of the Working Man 527143;1393291981;nubbins`;crytocurrency 527144;1393291991;nubbins`;protected by crytography 527145;1393292000;nubbins`;comlicated crytograhy 527146;1393292061;dignork;lol: coins are generated at the discretion of the chairman 527147;1393292313;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49225 = 0.9845 BTC [+] {2} 527148;1393292801;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00488573 = 1.2214 BTC [-] {4} 527149;1393292984;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.004999 = 0.2999 BTC [+] 527150;1393293350;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 302 @ 0.00485987 = 1.4677 BTC [-] {4} 527151;1393293351;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.12879992 = 0.3864 BTC [+] 527152;1393293411;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.12879992 = 0.5152 BTC [+] 527153;1393293412;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00485 = 0.1067 BTC [-] 527154;1393293533;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.12879993 = 0.3864 BTC [+] 527155;1393293534;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.004999 = 0.175 BTC [+] {2} 527156;1393293655;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 417 @ 0.00499899 = 2.0846 BTC [-] 527157;1393293777;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.12884496 = 2.5769 BTC [+] {3} 527158;1393293922;kakobrekla;o look 527159;1393293926;kakobrekla;scammer is now tv host 527160;1393293927;kakobrekla;http://www.moneyandtech.com/feb24-news-update/ 527161;1393294021;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 499 @ 0.0049999 = 2.495 BTC [+] 527162;1393294082;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 155 @ 0.00499999 = 0.775 BTC [+] {3} 527163;1393294102;nubbins`;ah hey, mintchip 527164;1393294104;nubbins`;forgot about that 527165;1393294204;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.005 = 1 BTC [+] 527166;1393294326;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.005 = 0.7 BTC [+] {3} 527167;1393294631;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 750 @ 0.00499946 = 3.7496 BTC [-] {3} 527168;1393295180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00088346 = 3.1805 BTC [+] 527169;1393295209;Bugpowder;Take this with a grain of salt http://www.scribd.com/doc/209050732/MtGox-Situation-Crisis-Strategy-Draft 527170;1393295213;Bugpowder;Also gox is halted 527171;1393295259;the20year;yep 527172;1393295361;nubbins`;on the bright side, i'm getting further with compiling crystal space on osx 527173;1393295394;mike_c;i just got it running on a VM. it wasn't 100% healthy, but it ran. 527174;1393295416;mike_c;i picked up some rotten fruit. 527175;1393295420;nubbins`;right on!! 527176;1393295424;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.128 = 0.256 BTC [-] 527177;1393295426;*;nubbins` high fives 527178;1393295427;nubbins`;congrats 527179;1393295440;nubbins`;you may be the first pleb to successfully get 0.0.4 running 527180;1393295446;mike_c;:) hopefully i can run it on an actual machine and get better performance 527181;1393295453;nubbins`;nod, now the real work begins 527182;1393295468;nubbins`;VMs present pretty standard hardware 527183;1393295476;the20year;$488 527184;1393295484;ThickAsThieves;people should rally the price to make sure gox dies 527185;1393295564;greenspan_fan;so, thoughts on the legitimacy of the my gox slide deck? 527186;1393295591;nubbins`;the one that came from some random nobody's tumblr, you mean? :D 527187;1393295607;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 207 @ 0.00499899 = 1.0348 BTC [-] 527188;1393295609;nubbins`;i doubt he would have done such a thing just to drive traffic to his blog. which happens to be a tumblr. 527189;1393295610;nubbins`;;p 527190;1393295676;nubbins`;CS still compiling... occasional bouts of panic until i realize they're warnings i'm seeing, not errors 527191;1393295687;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/1yuox1/copy_of_the_alleged/cfny2g0 527192;1393295687;ozbot;scottansan comments on Copy of the alleged MtGox-Situation-Crisis-Strategy-Draft 527193;1393295697;greenspan_fan;yeah, a guy on hacker news suggests that the redacted slide is visible using illustrator 527194;1393295699;greenspan_fan;http://i.imgur.com/u9aP9Hg.png 527195;1393295725;kakobrekla;gox halted? 527196;1393295739;kakobrekla;does it seem like a good time? 527197;1393295766;kakobrekla;mark sez price is 135, halts gox at 135. 527198;1393295777;ThickAsThieves;i can check the PDF in a sec 527199;1393295782;greenspan_fan;I just don't know. 527200;1393295790;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.48 = 2.4 BTC [-] {2} 527201;1393295792;greenspan_fan;on the one hand, gox is run so badly 527202;1393295809;greenspan_fan;but on the other, this would be the finest example of internet trolling meets market manipulation in recent memory 527203;1393295810;kakobrekla;so badly it makes bitstamp look good 527204;1393295817;nubbins`;ugh, i don't want to sign up for a scribd account 527205;1393295823;nubbins`;someone paste a dropbox link etc to that pdf? 527206;1393295851;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.005 = 0.485 BTC [+] {3} 527207;1393295853;dexX7;http://de.scribd.com/doc/209050732/MtGox-Situation-Crisis-Strategy-Draft 527208;1393295854;ozbot;MtGox Situation: Crisis Strategy Draft 527209;1393295855;the20year;from scribd? 527210;1393295867;ThickAsThieves;i can confirm 527211;1393295869;nubbins`;i want to download it, it's asking me to log in 527212;1393295871;nubbins`;ah, k 527213;1393295873;ThickAsThieves;the redactions are removable 527214;1393295878;nubbins`;such lel 527215;1393295900;dexX7;did you really consider this could be real? =D 527216;1393295901;nubbins`;there was an occasion a few years ago here where some government department decided to redact their own docs 527217;1393295906;greenspan_fan;do the amounts seem plausible? 527218;1393295912;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02163333 = 0.1298 BTC [-] {3} 527219;1393295913;nubbins`;they did this by changing the background color to black in a Word doc. 527220;1393295967;ThickAsThieves;the amounts must be in shorthand 527221;1393295984;ThickAsThieves;thousands maybe? 527222;1393295996;greenspan_fan;yeah, thousands usd 527223;1393296008;Jakamoko;shit that is a lot 527224;1393296008;nubbins`;kibibucks 527225;1393296024;ThickAsThieves;maybe 10,000 527226;1393296026;nubbins`;no, sorry, kilobucks 527227;1393296028;nubbins`;i'm all mixed up 527228;1393296037;ThickAsThieves;salary would be too low for 1000 527229;1393296055;greenspan_fan;april 2015- march 2016 "other" is 150,000 527230;1393296064;dexX7;nubbins`: https://www.dropbox.com/s/qhl8b6k1rya78xc/209050732-MtGox-Situation-Crisis-Strategy-Draft.pdf 527231;1393296075;ThickAsThieves;i dunnp these numbers seem weird 527232;1393296080;nubbins`;dexX7: tyvm, got it 527233;1393296092;greenspan_fan;yeah, this seems like either a genius ploy 527234;1393296095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26150 @ 0.0008835 = 23.1035 BTC [+] {2} 527235;1393296106;greenspan_fan;or there really is a consulting firm as lousy as mt gox is an exchange 527236;1393296136;nubbins`;"The reality is that MtGox can go bankrupt at any moment, and certainly deserves to as a company" 527237;1393296140;nubbins`;^ so fake 527238;1393296155;nubbins`;who the fuck would put a sentence like that in an internal memo? 527239;1393296209;ThickAsThieves;PDF was made in Mac OS 527240;1393296221;ThickAsThieves;no other metadata i can see 527241;1393296243;ThickAsThieves;made with keynote_cirrus 527242;1393296244;nubbins`;seems like a poorly-orchestrated smear 527243;1393296258;nubbins`;complete with fake-redactions 527244;1393296284;Jakamoko;doesn't look real, but it is working. bitstamp is sliding under 500 527245;1393296322;nubbins`;eeeee, ton of deprecated method calls 527246;1393296340;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.005 = 0.18 BTC [+] 527247;1393296389;greenspan_fan;another possibility is that the pdf is substantially accurate, but still fabricated 527248;1393296400;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1169 @ 0.005 = 5.845 BTC [+] 527249;1393296411;the20year;alot of people are assuming alot of things 527250;1393296413;ThickAsThieves;created date for the PDF is tomorrow 527251;1393296414;ThickAsThieves;weird 527252;1393296444;ThickAsThieves;guess it leans to it being from asia 527253;1393296448;ThickAsThieves;fwiw 527254;1393296463;greenspan_fan;yeah, I would bet on it being fake 527255;1393296513;dexX7;Ryan Selkis 527256;1393296522;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.0051823 = 0.596 BTC [+] {2} 527257;1393296523;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0002002 = 0.2002 BTC [+] 527258;1393296533;dexX7;blacked out the numbers 527259;1393296544;dexX7;at least his name is bound to the note 527260;1393296583;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 146 @ 0.0052526 = 0.7669 BTC [+] {2} 527261;1393296603;nubbins`;ugh 527262;1393296605;nubbins`;ryan selkis 527263;1393296608;nubbins`;aka "the two-bit idiot" 527264;1393296610;the20year;Who's that? 527265;1393296620;nubbins`;aka the guy whose tumblr blog this story came from. 527266;1393296631;dexX7;that's him? 527267;1393296644;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [-] 527268;1393296645;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 280 @ 0.00529157 = 1.4816 BTC [+] {4} 527269;1393296647;nubbins`;http://www.meetup.com/Harvard-Bitcoin-Meetup/members/67850542/ 527270;1393296647;ozbot;Ryan Selkis - 527271;1393296672;nubbins`;BUSTED 527272;1393296674;dexX7;yea, but is thsi the guy from the stupid blog? 527273;1393296688;dexX7;because there is https://twitter.com/RyanSelkis etc. 527274;1393296695;Apocalyptic;the funny thing is that the halt was after the doc got released 527275;1393296705;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.05030097 = 0.1006 BTC [-] 527276;1393296707;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.00540514 = 0.5243 BTC [+] {5} 527277;1393296763;nubbins`;http://bitcoinaware.com/article/8861/bitbeat-apple-drops-bitcoin-app-from-app-store-bitcoiners-not-happy/ 527278;1393296764;ozbot;Bitcoin Aware | Aritcles | BitBeat: Apple Drops Bitcoin App From App Store, Bitcoiners Not Happy 527279;1393296766;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 321 @ 0.00545 = 1.7495 BTC [+] {8} 527280;1393296769;greenspan_fan;well, yeah 527281;1393296772;nubbins`;"...wrote Ryan Selkis, who publishes the “Two-Bit Idiot” daily newsletter" 527282;1393296805;nubbins`;http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/11/bitbeat-bitcoins-honest-nodes-under-attack/ 527283;1393296806;ozbot;BitBeat: Bitcoin’s ‘Honest Nodes’ Under Attack - MoneyBeat - WSJ 527284;1393296812;nubbins`;"...Ryan Selkis wrote in his Two-Bit Idiot newsletter" 527285;1393296824;nubbins`;lel x 5 527286;1393296827;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.00545 = 0.5777 BTC [+] {4} 527287;1393296830;dexX7;ah hehehe 527288;1393296846;nubbins`;so either this guy fabricated the whole thing 527289;1393296859;ThickAsThieves;“I am livid, just like so many of you,” wrote Ryan Selkis, who publishes the “Two-Bit Idiot” daily newsletter. “For them to backdoor their users like this on Bitcoin makes me want to start an uprising. (I think others may have already started it though.)” 527290;1393296861;nubbins`;or he found a legit doc and self-redacted a bunch of info for no reason 527291;1393296872;greenspan_fan;I am trying to find a btc address to see if he's dumb enough to be buying massively after releasing damaging news 527292;1393296890;ThickAsThieves;well itd be on exchange 527293;1393296895;ThickAsThieves;so probly not seeable 527294;1393296910;greenspan_fan;alas and alack, he's not blatantly asking for tips somewhere 527295;1393296939;greenspan_fan;meanwhile, every exchange is down 20% while the dude's launching some kind of btc venture fund 527296;1393296942;ThickAsThieves;true or not, fukn bitcoin is amazing! 527297;1393296942;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 527298;1393296948;nubbins`;hahahahahah what a fucking rube, you can just highlight the goddamn redacted text 527299;1393296953;nubbins`;MY SIDES 527300;1393296955;ThickAsThieves;best trolls ever 527301;1393297010;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.12300001 = 0.492 BTC [-] 527302;1393297011;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00545 = 0.109 BTC [+] 527303;1393297016;greenspan_fan;yeah. I will further speculate that it's his hoax, because the slide deck is all about social media and assorted bullshit 527304;1393297033;the20year;where is this redacted balance sheet from? 527305;1393297035;dexX7;the black on the text is simply a comment, you can delete it or set the transparency to 0 527306;1393297048;greenspan_fan;when it should go into detail about the whole "not going bankrupt and not going to jail" plan 527307;1393297064;greenspan_fan;here's the imgur link of the unredacted page 527308;1393297065;greenspan_fan;http://i.imgur.com/u9aP9Hg.png 527309;1393297066;nubbins`;dexX7 nod 527310;1393297069;nubbins`;my sides 527311;1393297071;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.0055 = 0.1045 BTC 527312;1393297091;nubbins`;actually in osx preview it's not even black but translucent grey 527313;1393297102;greenspan_fan;of course, the rebranding as "gox.com" is hilarious, too 527314;1393297110;greenspan_fan;"drop the mt, it's cleaner" 527315;1393297131;ThickAsThieves;there are no MX records for gox.com fwiw 527316;1393297132;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 527317;1393297134;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 118 @ 0.00549039 = 0.6479 BTC [+] {3} 527318;1393297171;nubbins`;as is the "we are a bunch of cunts who shouldn't be in business" line 527319;1393297173;nubbins`;like 527320;1393297179;nubbins`;srsly, does he even internet? 527321;1393297184;nubbins`;does he even business? 527322;1393297228;ThickAsThieves;i actually approve of the brand change 527323;1393297232;ThickAsThieves;:) 527324;1393297252;Guest88068;http://blog.coinbase.com/post/77766809700/joint-statement-regarding-the-insolvency-of-mtgox 527325;1393297256;ThickAsThieves;fake or not, the current one is offensive 527326;1393297306;ThickAsThieves;wtf is that statement 527327;1393297330;ThickAsThieves;they are confirming the insolvency, or trolled too? 527328;1393297339;ThickAsThieves;they should have been explicit 527329;1393297381;greenspan_fan;haha 527330;1393297387;greenspan_fan;man this is fucking great 527331;1393297392;dexX7;wow 527332;1393297406;the20year;i got kicked from #bitcoin for posting that 527333;1393297412;greenspan_fan;the biggest coinbase booster somehow stumbles onto documents pertaining to the demise of coinbase's biggest rival 527334;1393297437;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.005491 = 0.291 BTC [+] 527335;1393297459;ThickAsThieves;maybe it's the USG! 527336;1393297471;greenspan_fan;and, fwiw, the whole shitstorm started with the guy posting a link to his own tumblr on reddit 527337;1393297473;Apocalyptic;<ThickAsThieves> they are confirming the insolvency // I feel like they are 527338;1393297474;ThickAsThieves;they really wanted that US-based dominant exchange 527339;1393297487;ThickAsThieves;that's the propblem Apoc 527340;1393297490;ThickAsThieves;it's all "feely" 527341;1393297494;Apocalyptic;yeah 527342;1393297500;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 183 @ 0.005495 = 1.0056 BTC [+] {2} 527343;1393297507;ThickAsThieves;wtf is wrong with companies these days 527344;1393297512;ThickAsThieves;be clear, christ 527345;1393297539;dub__;s/compnies/dude in moms basement/ 527346;1393297541;greenspan_fan;well, clarity opens you up to legal liabilities 527347;1393297547;cazalla;whois gox.com does show karpeles though 527348;1393297549;greenspan_fan;for fraud/libel 527349;1393297560;copumpkin;cazalla: you can put anyone's info on a domain 527350;1393297562;ThickAsThieves;cazalla those whois arent verified 527351;1393297569;ThickAsThieves;look up therealaltcoin.org 527352;1393297572;greenspan_fan;but a three letter domain's expensive 527353;1393297589;cazalla;yeah that 527354;1393297592;greenspan_fan;it could just be fortuitous timing? 527355;1393297601;cazalla;i don't see someone using a premium 3 letter domain to push a scam 527356;1393297604;dexX7;https://www.google.de/#q=Income+Statement+Net+Sales+Cost+of+Goods+Sold+Gross+Profit+Selling%2C+General+and+Administrative+Expenses+1)+Operating+Income+212+3%2C015+20%2C000+55%2C850+Interest+Income+6+7+14+40+Foreign+Exchange+Gains+76+-+-+-+Non+Operating+Result+82+7+14+40+Ordinary+Income+294+3%2C022+20%2C014+55%2C890+Corporate+Taxes+8+1%2C022+6%2C164+16%2C890+Net+Income+286+2%2C000+13%2C850+39%2C000+1)+Breakdown 527357;1393297604;ozbot;Google 527358;1393297605;greenspan_fan;or maybe coinbase's latest pivot is into straight-up crime? 527359;1393297632;dexX7;a few words of the pdf results only the gox paper itself on google 527360;1393297642;MisterE;how low will it go today 527361;1393297647;MisterE;I almost bought at 550 527362;1393297655;MisterE;maybe today it tests 500 527363;1393297672;ThickAsThieves;it broke 500 already 527364;1393297673;greenspan_fan;Top post on HN tomorrow: How we used social media, adobe illustrator, and bitcoin in order to destroy a rival business 527365;1393297681;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.004869 = 0.1022 BTC [+] {2} 527366;1393297690;the20year;it was at 488 about 15m ago 527367;1393297742;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.12249 = 1.2249 BTC [-] {3} 527368;1393297768;greenspan_fan;from the unredacted link, I think some of the columns literally don't add up 527369;1393297772;greenspan_fan;if I'm reading it correctly 527370;1393297803;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.121 = 0.242 BTC [-] 527371;1393297841;cazalla;i hope it's true, great buying opp 527372;1393297854;Bugpowder;Well, I guess I don't really need to finish my cold wallet analysis. 527373;1393297864;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 294 @ 0.005495 = 1.6155 BTC [+] {2} 527374;1393297865;Apocalyptic;heh Bug 527375;1393297866;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/a/ZyBZ5 527376;1393297866;ozbot;Ryan Selkis is full of shit - Imgur 527377;1393297881;dexX7;"- New brand and services ready to be launched (Bitcoin Cafe, ..." lol 527378;1393297887;the20year;You guys all see that this guy runs btc-china? http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv318/mindc0ntr0l/BobbyLee.jpg 527379;1393297917;gx;gox will be back, better than ever 527380;1393297925;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.12087093 = 1.8131 BTC [-] {6} 527381;1393297926;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00549889 = 0.4949 BTC [+] 527382;1393297930;gx;people are gonna flock to their bitcoin cafe and deposit hundreds of thousands of coins 527383;1393297935;greenspan_fan;that's a pretty low bar, gx 527384;1393297939;cazalla;who in their right mind who use gox even if they fixed everything after all this 527385;1393297942;gx;</sarc 527386;1393297958;dexX7;wow goxcoins at 0.11 527387;1393297982;greenspan_fan;I wish I had an acct on bitcoin builder 527388;1393297986;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.120033 = 0.7202 BTC [-] {3} 527389;1393297990;greenspan_fan;that is too cheap given how likely this is a hoax 527390;1393297992;the20year;wonder if we could hit the 1mb limit? 527391;1393298034;gx;pretty elaborate hoax though 527392;1393298039;gx;but could be, yeah 527393;1393298047;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.11482776 = 0.689 BTC [-] {3} 527394;1393298048;the20year;bitcoinbuilder is at .14 527395;1393298107;Bugpowder;its not a hoax dude 527396;1393298108;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 71 @ 0.005495 = 0.3901 BTC [-] 527397;1393298109;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.12517994 = 0.2504 BTC [+] 527398;1393298129;nubbins`;Bugpowder, so why is this guy redacting these "real" PDFs himself? 527399;1393298139;ThickAsThieves;hey 527400;1393298144;ThickAsThieves;coinbase edited their post 527401;1393298148;nubbins`;haha 527402;1393298151;ThickAsThieves;to remove insolvency from it 527403;1393298160;ThickAsThieves;thanks to my tweet! 527404;1393298161;cazalla;that was quick 527405;1393298169;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 126 @ 0.00545 = 0.6867 BTC [-] 527406;1393298177;the20year;http://blog.blockchain.info/2014/02/25/joint-statement/ 527407;1393298178;ozbot;Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of MtGox | Blockchain.info Team Blog 527408;1393298194;cazalla;guess they drafted it together 527409;1393298203;nubbins`;cazalla: that's what a joint statement is :) 527410;1393298230;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.0054 = 0.216 BTC [-] 527411;1393298232;ThickAsThieves;i hope they showed this to their lawyers first... 527412;1393298252;cazalla;changing it after posting might suggest otherwise 527413;1393298258;ThickAsThieves;indeed 527414;1393298267;the20year;they redacted the 'insolvency' word 527415;1393298289;greenspan_fan;if you had access to a real pdf, why would you redact everything using illustrator? 527416;1393298295;cazalla;wonder how long until blockchain redact it 527417;1393298296;the20year;476 527418;1393298315;Bugpowder;Well... Bitcoin-assets people called it first. Days ago. 527419;1393298322;ThickAsThieves;the redaction was likely done using a 3rd party PDF editor 527420;1393298334;ThickAsThieves;even adobe isnt this bad 527421;1393298345;greenspan_fan;Either way, it just weakens your case 527422;1393298365;greenspan_fan;and the numbers are purely speculative for the future and drawn from mt gox's reports for the past 527423;1393298390;gx;greenspan_fan they forgot to mention the 200,000BTC they're gonna make w/ their cafe though. gotta weigh that in. 527424;1393298417;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: it was probably redacted with OSX Preview 527425;1393298418;gx;you talking about the last page of the document where everything is blacked out? 527426;1393298425;nubbins`;if it was originally created with keynote 527427;1393298425;greenspan_fan;yeah 527428;1393298426;ThickAsThieves;someone start a gox ipo on cryptostocks, quick! 527429;1393298426;gx;is that viewable 527430;1393298435;greenspan_fan;yes, see imgur links 527431;1393298438;Bugpowder;ThickAsThieves: lol 527432;1393298438;nubbins`;gx: you can highlight the text and copy/paste 527433;1393298439;gx;ah derp 527434;1393298440;nubbins`;gx: http://imgur.com/a/ZyBZ5 527435;1393298458;greenspan_fan;but the funny thing is, it might be right anyways 527436;1393298483;ThickAsThieves;indeed 527437;1393298488;greenspan_fan;but if it is a hoax, and one of those 'startup ftw!' jackasses made it, then they might be sunk as well 527438;1393298490;ThickAsThieves;it's gox we're talking bout after all 527439;1393298501;gx;ah, so that's why it's a hoax, someone just c+p their annual report to the last page to make it seem legit? 527440;1393298503;gx;am i reading that right 527441;1393298510;greenspan_fan;which would be, I think, the funniest thing since pirate 527442;1393298523;gx;or, projections rather 527443;1393298525;ThickAsThieves;why redact it at all is the question 527444;1393298529;greenspan_fan;well they've got future projections etc. 527445;1393298532;ThickAsThieves;it's the least useful page 527446;1393298540;greenspan_fan;because some of the columns don't seem to add up, or I'm reading it wrong? 527447;1393298543;Bugpowder;Coinbase has too much money invested in it now by serious people for this to be bullshit 527448;1393298548;ThickAsThieves;i cant add them either 527449;1393298560;greenspan_fan;serious people put 41 million into color.com 527450;1393298561;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: to make it seem legit. 527451;1393298572;ThickAsThieves;coinbase edited their blog post bug 527452;1393298580;ThickAsThieves;to rmeove the insolvency accusation 527453;1393298585;ThickAsThieves;they are just being opportunists 527454;1393298591;greenspan_fan;you are way overestimating the intelligence of the silicon valley people 527455;1393298591;ThickAsThieves;they dont know wha the fuck is what 527456;1393298596;the20year;i find it interesting they're doing it jointly with compeditors 527457;1393298597;gx;ha 527458;1393298623;greenspan_fan;how did they all get together and become confident enough to risk getting sued in the space of a couple hours? 527459;1393298625;gx;it's members of the btc foundation 527460;1393298631;gx;which the gox guy just stepped down 527461;1393298633;Apocalyptic;mtgox.com just went out 527462;1393298636;ThickAsThieves;coinbase is worried theyll have less customers thats all 527463;1393298642;ThickAsThieves;they are thinking long term 527464;1393298651;ThickAsThieves;hastily, but longterm nonetheless 527465;1393298657;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 803 @ 0.00509856 = 4.0941 BTC [-] {9} 527466;1393298661;nubbins`;heh 527467;1393298671;nubbins`;mtgox.com is indeed gone 527468;1393298681;Duffer1;yep blank page for me 527469;1393298684;kakobrekla;wowz 527470;1393298688;ThickAsThieves;it's loading ... nothing 527471;1393298702;kakobrekla;this is going faster than i thought ? 527472;1393298714;greenspan_fan;it's loaded but there's nothing transmitted 527473;1393298716;ThickAsThieves;i'm gonna win my bitbet! 527474;1393298728;nubbins`;view-source:https://www.mtgox.com/ 527475;1393298736;nubbins`;nothing at all 527476;1393298737;dub__;aaanditsgone.com 527477;1393298740;ThickAsThieves;how do you even do that ? 527478;1393298743;ThickAsThieves;have no source 527479;1393298746;ThickAsThieves;but still resolve 527480;1393298748;greenspan_fan;exactly 527481;1393298752;gx;send a 200 ok header 527482;1393298754;gx;thats it 527483;1393298754;nubbins`;index.html is an empty file 527484;1393298759;greenspan_fan;they've wiped the entire page 527485;1393298771;nubbins`;browser is smart enough to not choke 527486;1393298775;Apocalyptic;so nubbins` 527487;1393298784;Apocalyptic;you still think it's a hoax ? 527488;1393298800;nubbins`;Apocalyptic: i still think the pdf is fake, yes 527489;1393298806;nubbins`;but as i mentioned in -otc: 527490;1393298808;nubbins`;[23:53:10] <nubbins`> oh, don't get me wrong, gox is broke 527491;1393298808;nubbins`;[23:53:14] <nubbins`> everything is gone 527492;1393298808;ThickAsThieves;i'm on the fence 527493;1393298817;ThickAsThieves;^ 527494;1393298819;ThickAsThieves;yeha that too 527495;1393298833;Apocalyptic;as unreal as it may appear, I think the doc is legit 527496;1393298840;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00543499 = 0.2174 BTC [+] {3} 527497;1393298846;ThickAsThieves;karpeles is so fucked 527498;1393298855;ThickAsThieves;maybe the most fucked man alive 527499;1393298858;nubbins`;but why is it so poorly written, why did the guy who "discovered" the doc redact a page? 527500;1393298886;ThickAsThieves;nub how did you determine it was him that redacte dit 527501;1393298888;gx;mightve been written in haste as an initial draft 527502;1393298897;Apocalyptic;<nubbins`> but why is it so poorly written, // why is the all mtgox system so poorly written ? 527503;1393298898;gx;fired off to someone for approval and then leaked 527504;1393298920;gx;obviously they all know theyre steering a sinking ship 527505;1393298921;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: because the redactions (actually black highlights) have his name on them 527506;1393298924;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: see http://imgur.com/a/ZyBZ5 527507;1393298944;nubbins`;open your pdf viewer, and enable highlights/notes 527508;1393298956;Duffer1;why is ryan selkis? 527509;1393298957;nubbins`;Apocalyptic: fair enough ;( 527510;1393298962;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00541999 = 0.1572 BTC [-] {3} 527511;1393298965;greenspan_fan;two-bit-idiot 527512;1393298965;Duffer1;just some blogger? 527513;1393298965;nubbins`;Duffer1: some guy who "leaked" this pdf. 527514;1393298967;nubbins`;a nobody. 527515;1393298973;Duffer1;interesting 527516;1393298975;greenspan_fan;he's some vc/blogger/bitcoin nobody 527517;1393298996;greenspan_fan;which is the resume of every scam artist in the space 527518;1393299000;ThickAsThieves;oh it appears diffe3rnt in acrobat pro 527519;1393299000;*;nubbins` nods 527520;1393299009;dexX7;did trading on gox stop? 527521;1393299017;kakobrekla;no, gox is stop. 527522;1393299018;nubbins`;dexX7, gox is gone 527523;1393299019;gx;http://www.meetup.com/Harvard-Bitcoin-Meetup/members/67850542/ 527524;1393299019;ozbot;Ryan Selkis - 527525;1393299024;dexX7;api is still available 527526;1393299034;nubbins`;ah 527527;1393299035;dexX7;more or less.. http://data.mtgox.com/api/2/BTCUSD/money/ticker_fast 527528;1393299043;dexX7;http://data.mtgox.com/api/2/BTCUSD/money/depth/full 527529;1393299069;ThickAsThieves;http://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanselkis 527530;1393299069;gx;http://i.imgur.com/hM8Uuvn.png 527531;1393299070;ozbot;Ryan Selkis | LinkedIn 527532;1393299074;gx;last 2 hrs of data missing for us 527533;1393299114;nubbins`;honestly, i think this selkis guy completely fabricated the pdf and associated "story", for whatever reason, but then it grew legs, people started panicking and issuing statements, so gox (who knew it was only a matter of time anyway) decided now was as good a time as any to give it up 527534;1393299124;ThickAsThieves;Founder 527535;1393299124;ThickAsThieves;Inscrypto 527536;1393299124;ThickAsThieves;December 2013 – Present (3 months)Boston, San Francisco 527537;1393299124;ThickAsThieves;Bitcoin's decentralized, privately funded version of the FDIC. We reduce volatility for consumers while helping hedge funds invest in bitcoin. 527538;1393299136;nubbins`;imagine 527539;1393299139;gx;seems like selkis is in competition w/ gox in one way or another. 527540;1393299148;nubbins`;an asshole who wanted cheap coin for his business was the straw that broke gox's back 527541;1393299160;nubbins`;honestly wouldn't have guessed 527542;1393299175;Apocalyptic;<nubbins`> an asshole who wanted cheap coin for his business was the straw that broke gox's back // are you serious ? 527543;1393299175;ThickAsThieves;Founder Good-Benefits - Creator of the first ever "401k for charity" • Worked at @Summit Partners, @Former Analyst at JPMorgan Investment Bank • Studied at @BC 527544;1393299186;nubbins`;Apocalyptic: am i ever serious? :D 527545;1393299206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00088369 = 5.7882 BTC [+] {2} 527546;1393299226;nubbins`;man, CS is still building. shoulda made a pizza 527547;1393299279;ThickAsThieves;https://plus.google.com/106808782106272134400/about 527548;1393299367;ThickAsThieves;http://www.youtube.com/user/selkisr 527549;1393299367;ozbot;Ryan Selkis - YouTube 527550;1393299376;kakobrekla;www.businessinsider.com.au/falcon-global-capital-offers-to-buy-the-fbis-bitcoins-2014-2 527551;1393299389;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00520006 = 0.156 BTC [-] {3} 527552;1393299447;ThickAsThieves;hell, this channel could muster a better offer than them 527553;1393299476;nubbins`;let's all chip in on 14% below 527554;1393299493;nubbins`;that guy has an asshole face 527555;1393299502;dexX7;haha yea 527556;1393299511;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 41 @ 0.0609 = 2.4969 BTC [+] 527557;1393299633;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 267 @ 0.00492521 = 1.315 BTC [-] {7} 527558;1393299634;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 251 @ 0.0021 = 0.5271 BTC [+] 527559;1393299681;greenspan_fan;I wonder if it would be better just to buy mt gox? 527560;1393299685;KRS-One;http://www.reddit.com/user/sarahcoinbit 527561;1393299685;ozbot;overview for SarahCoinBit 527562;1393299727;ThickAsThieves;lol 527563;1393299741;ThickAsThieves;sarahcoinbit magically starts posting an hour ago? 527564;1393299743;greenspan_fan;or visit DPR in prison? ... if you wanted to buy questionable coins in bulk 527565;1393299797;Apocalyptic;KRS-One, can you get a registration date for the account ? 527566;1393299798;ThickAsThieves;go for it 527567;1393299816;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1071 @ 0.00478179 = 5.1213 BTC [-] {8} 527568;1393299817;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.12337774 = 0.3701 BTC [-] {2} 527569;1393299820;dexX7;redditor for 28 days 527570;1393299823;gx;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yuouz/mtgox_situation_crisis_draft/cfnz306 527571;1393299823;ozbot;historian1111 comments on MtGOX Situation Crisis Draft 527572;1393299826;jayk;lights out for mtgox? 527573;1393299842;gx;interesting point, they intentionally tried to tank the price so theyd be liable for less 527574;1393299847;Duffer1;hopefully jayk 527575;1393299848;gx;and froze at a low point 527576;1393299863;nubbins`;interesting times 527577;1393299865;greenspan_fan;they only ever really had a genius for fraud 527578;1393299888;nubbins`;"i remember where i was when i found out mtgox was gone... sitting on my ass in front of the computer" 527579;1393299902;greenspan_fan;interestingly enough, that's also where I was on 9/11 527580;1393299912;nubbins`;heh, i was smoking a joint outside the library at uni 527581;1393299916;the20year;I was watching regis and kelly on 9/11 527582;1393299918;Apocalyptic;dexX7, good point 527583;1393299932;nubbins`;was locked in an exam room for the actual event, didn't find out until hours afterwards 527584;1393299940;ThickAsThieves;would be more fun if we were all in a real room sharing a joint 527585;1393299946;*;nubbins` nods 527586;1393299970;nubbins`;brb, next best thing 527587;1393299973;ThickAsThieves;maybe we should do an american b-a "conference" 527588;1393299973;greenspan_fan;and was your mark 0.8181818 repeating? 527589;1393299996;nubbins`;greenspan_fan: honestly can't recall ;( 527590;1393300018;nubbins`;fun fact, .99 repeating == 1 527591;1393300038;greenspan_fan;I was going to pretend to disagree 527592;1393300038;jayk;they were allowing trading up until today 527593;1393300042;greenspan_fan;but I just don't have the heart 527594;1393300045;nubbins`;heh 527595;1393300055;nubbins`;aww, i was going to prove it several different ways ;( 527596;1393300061;nubbins`;now it's all left as an exercise to the reader 527597;1393300066;greenspan_fan;1/3 = 0.3333... 527598;1393300077;nubbins`;that's one way :D 527599;1393300090;greenspan_fan;what are some other ways? 527600;1393300101;ThickAsThieves;so if it is true, then that means the lost coins are already priced in 527601;1393300110;ThickAsThieves;and only downward movement is pani 527602;1393300111;ThickAsThieves;c 527603;1393300140;nubbins`;greenspan_fan: let x=0.99... 527604;1393300145;ThickAsThieves;how the hell do you leak coins for years though 527605;1393300155;greenspan_fan;that would make sense, because otherwise people who traded via bitcoin builder would be furious 527606;1393300170;nubbins`;10x = 9.99.., ergo 10x-x = 9.99... - .99..., ergo 9x = 9, ergo x = 1 527607;1393300172;ThickAsThieves;they will be 527608;1393300178;ThickAsThieves;gox coins = 0 USD 527609;1393300191;greenspan_fan;that's a good one 527610;1393300196;nubbins`;nod, my fave 527611;1393300206;nubbins`;you can do it with infinite series too 527612;1393300209;nubbins`;can't recall the details 527613;1393300213;greenspan_fan;not if they're planning to make people whole tho 527614;1393300221;ThickAsThieves;lol 527615;1393300227;ThickAsThieves;gox cant make anything whole 527616;1393300232;ThickAsThieves;theyre done 527617;1393300239;ThickAsThieves;no plan or rebranding can save them 527618;1393300255;greenspan_fan;at a 80% discount? 527619;1393300263;nubbins`;i really regret not selling at $23 527620;1393300264;the20year;it's like everything else , once you screw the pooch it can't be undone 527621;1393300265;nubbins`;LEL JK :D 527622;1393300285;greenspan_fan;assuming they have any money at all (which they might, if they were front running the market all week) 527623;1393300309;greenspan_fan;they'll be able to cover at least some of the deposits 527624;1393300335;ThickAsThieves;we'll see i guess 527625;1393300339;ThickAsThieves;i'm doubtful 527626;1393300348;greenspan_fan;how many black lotuses would you need to sell to cover 700 000 btc? 527627;1393300357;nubbins`;"at least some" might as well be "none" 527628;1393300357;ThickAsThieves;even if someting is sorted it'll take year(s) 527629;1393300371;nubbins`;greenspan_fan: depends, are you a dealer? :D 527630;1393300371;Duffer1;is that a MTG ref greenspan fan? 527631;1393300377;greenspan_fan;yes 527632;1393300386;greenspan_fan;I think karpeles should cut off a pinky, at least 527633;1393300388;ThickAsThieves;are they casacius lotuses? 527634;1393300392;nubbins`;heh 527635;1393300393;greenspan_fan;it's the japanese corporate way 527636;1393300398;nubbins`;TBH i thought he was talking about sports cars 527637;1393300415;ThickAsThieves;it's the most expensive magic card 527638;1393300424;nubbins`;http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/attachments/f94/142461d1266687227-f-s-starlight-black-lotus-elise-25-000-img_0126.jpg 527639;1393300432;Diablo-D3;top 5 stories on hn, with a sixth further down are mtgox 527640;1393300436;ThickAsThieves;nice car 527641;1393300443;nubbins`;nod, sexy curves 527642;1393300452;nubbins`;met a girl who raced a lotus once 527643;1393300463;greenspan_fan;because HN was one of the first places to hear about bitcoin, and almost none of the people got in on it 527644;1393300472;the20year;hn? 527645;1393300489;nubbins`;haxor gnus 527646;1393300513;the20year;I *got in* on bitcoin in the first 3 months, didn't do me much good by not sticking with it :D 527647;1393300565;greenspan_fan;really? did you not have a good graphics card or something? 527648;1393300585;ThickAsThieves;http://blog.blockchain.info/2014/02/25/joint-statement/ kraken just happy for the free advertising 527649;1393300586;ozbot;Joint Statement Regarding MtGox | Blockchain.info Team Blog 527650;1393300587;the20year;Wallet got hacked 527651;1393300591;greenspan_fan;shitty 527652;1393300593;ThickAsThieves;people are like krakwho? 527653;1393300609;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 169 @ 0.005 = 0.845 BTC [+] {3} 527654;1393300617;greenspan_fan;wasn't that a scam fund from that guy who ripped off mircea? 527655;1393300620;the20year;Went to a bunch of faucets after downloading the client, the ones that were giving 1 to 0.5btc out per day per time you hit the faucet 527656;1393300628;greenspan_fan;patrick hartnett? 527657;1393300647;greenspan_fan;oh man, that's rough 527658;1393300650;greenspan_fan;how'd you get hacked? 527659;1393300652;the20year;Never did anything with teh wallet, showed up at office one day and the client was open, all coins gone 527660;1393300670;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 370 @ 0.00086094 = 0.3185 BTC [+] {2} 527661;1393300671;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1192 @ 0.00498438 = 5.9414 BTC [-] {6} 527662;1393300672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28450 @ 0.00088402 = 25.1504 BTC [+] 527663;1393300695;the20year;there was some java/ad exploit that took alot of coins from people running XP, and I was one of them, right around the time bitcoin hit like $20 for the first time due to all the silk road press, maybe that was 2011? 527664;1393300732;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 363 @ 0.0008648 = 0.3139 BTC [+] 527665;1393300753;ThickAsThieves;well it hit $20 from silk road in 2013 too 527666;1393300754;nubbins`;http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/24/us-vatican-bank-idUSBREA1N0TA20140224 527667;1393300754;ozbot;Pope revolutionizes Vatican by opening finances to scrutiny 527668;1393300779;greenspan_fan;honestly, I'd be buying right around now anyways 527669;1393300792;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1229 @ 0.00086544 = 1.0636 BTC [+] {4} 527670;1393300802;the20year;I would be too , but I have very little personal cash available for btc, but also sadly have a decent bit of BTC from investors to be converted to fiat to buy property 527671;1393300844;jurov;i'd try to postpone that 527672;1393300853;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 225 @ 0.00086797 = 0.1953 BTC [+] {2} 527673;1393300875;the20year;Have been 527674;1393300882;ThickAsThieves;if you use bitcoins your raised you are cheating shareholders 527675;1393300883;the20year;But we are locked into contracts on two properties 527676;1393300887;ThickAsThieves;MUST HODL! 527677;1393300904;greenspan_fan;seriously, I would not be surprised if it's higher than ever in a week 527678;1393300904;jurov;or you should have insured using mpoe options 527679;1393300917;greenspan_fan;given how any press seems to push the price up 527680;1393300935;jurov;oh i forgot mpoe is down :( 527681;1393300941;the20year;That would have been the better choice, one of the bigger issues has been waiting on havelock to send me the coins, they aren't deposited on a wallet on our side 527682;1393300949;the20year;Granted I did cash out part of them at $700 527683;1393300955;ThickAsThieves;hmm i'm just realizing that last i talked to my brother he was using gox as a wallet 527684;1393300963;ThickAsThieves;i did tell him to get off like a year ago 527685;1393300973;ThickAsThieves;well last summer 527686;1393300973;the20year;I have quite a few investors that have lost out quite a bit of coin at gox 527687;1393300975;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.005 = 0.15 BTC [+] 527688;1393301043;greenspan_fan;don't worry, I'm sure gox.com is going to be a huge hit 527689;1393301062;ThickAsThieves;yeah, along with bitfunder.com 527690;1393301062;jurov;and bitcoin cafe 527691;1393301088;the20year;I think in between bitfuner and gox, just the inevstors I've talked to have lost 150+btc 527692;1393301092;ThickAsThieves;maybe they rebrand too, under.com 527693;1393301098;greenspan_fan;ahahaha 527694;1393301119;Diablo-D3;top 6 stories on hn are mtgox, 7th rising 527695;1393301153;greenspan_fan;are there any bitcoin death pools? because I don't think karpeles will have been priced properly yet 527696;1393301156;dexX7;hn? 527697;1393301168;dexX7;nvm 527698;1393301172;greenspan_fan;haxxor newz 527699;1393301207;greenspan_fan;I am thinking either angry investor puts a hit out w/ the yakuza, or he commits hari kiri. Place your bets. 527700;1393301217;the20year;You guys see the video of our glorious next purchase of 2 houses on one lot? 527701;1393301217;nubbins`;hmm 527702;1393301220;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.12212177 BTC [-] 527703;1393301233;nubbins`;just had one of those "went downstairs to find a lighter, came across a vial of oil" moments 527704;1393301251;*;nubbins` rubs hands together 527705;1393301253;greenspan_fan;what? 527706;1393301259;Vexual;hes speaking literally 527707;1393301272;nubbins`;vexual knows 527708;1393301274;Bones_;wow, thought it was just some nasty rumor earlier. I come back and poof 527709;1393301276;ThickAsThieves;oil is the lube 527710;1393301282;ThickAsThieves;rubbing hands and cock together 527711;1393301283;nubbins`;comedials 527712;1393301287;nubbins`;comedians, even 527713;1393301288;greenspan_fan;what's the lighter for, then? 527714;1393301296;ThickAsThieves;the audience 527715;1393301296;nubbins`;greenspan_fan: to remove the oil from the vial 527716;1393301309;greenspan_fan;is your lube water-based? 527717;1393301313;nubbins`;perverts 527718;1393301321;nubbins`;PK oil 527719;1393301324;*;ThickAsThieves raises lit lighter into air "encore!" 527720;1393301338;jurov;nubbins` gonna make a molotow 527721;1393301358;jurov;and throw it to gox office 527722;1393301360;nubbins`;Vexual, have a listen to the album a friend and i recorded: https://atelierbleu.bandcamp.com/album/manicouagan 527723;1393301360;greenspan_fan;I made a molotov cocktail once. 527724;1393301364;greenspan_fan;it tasted terrible. 527725;1393301367;nubbins`;turn up yr bass 527726;1393301370;jurov;REVOLUTION 527727;1393301371;Vexual;i listened to some earlier 527728;1393301374;nubbins`;ah 527729;1393301380;the20year;pk oil? 527730;1393301384;Vexual;pretty good, i might need to be in the mood for it 527731;1393301392;*;nubbins` nods 527732;1393301397;nubbins`;it's music for late nights 527733;1393301401;Vexual;hard to think while listening :) 527734;1393301406;nubbins`;heh, yes 527735;1393301415;the20year;heh 527736;1393301416;ThickAsThieves;music to have on while youre passed out 527737;1393301419;nubbins`;that too 527738;1393301425;nubbins`;music to wake up startled to 527739;1393301444;nubbins`;"music" 527740;1393301447;ThickAsThieves;music for trees in the woods 527741;1393301448;nubbins`;i'm being generous 527742;1393301459;the20year;https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9427554/Scioto-UnionSmall.mpg 527743;1393301470;the20year;Bask in the glory of a 385sqft cottage 527744;1393301480;ThickAsThieves;lol 527745;1393301490;greenspan_fan;is that enough room to bask? 527746;1393301505;ThickAsThieves;is it convertible? 527747;1393301516;the20year;yes 527748;1393301531;the20year;Granted they're throwing in a 2300sf duplex along with everything 527749;1393301587;Bugpowder;http://goxbalance.com 527750;1393301606;dexX7;Bugpowder: where's that from? 527751;1393301620;Bugpowder;submissions? 527752;1393301623;ThickAsThieves;lol 527753;1393301629;ThickAsThieves;how cna this possibly be useful 527754;1393301645;greenspan_fan;Idk, I am having a great time w/ my array of proxies 527755;1393301646;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00514814 = 0.278 BTC [+] {2} 527756;1393301660;bloctoc;It will help government determine the size of the bailout required 527757;1393301677;asciilifeform;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-24/another-successful-banker-found-dead 527758;1393301679;nubbins`;this just in, obama bails out gox 527759;1393301679;ozbot;Another "Successful Banker" Found Dead | Zero Hedge 527760;1393301688;ThickAsThieves;at least gox has the courtesy to die under $150 527761;1393301694;greenspan_fan;TO THE MOON! 527762;1393301697;Apocalyptic;http://www.canyouwithdrawfrommtgox.com/ 527763;1393301698;ozbot;Can you withdraw from Mt.Gox? 527764;1393301704;greenspan_fan;(no) 527765;1393301739;ThickAsThieves;someone should start a blog of pornstar deaths 527766;1393301751;ThickAsThieves;maybe there's a connection 527767;1393301759;greenspan_fan;man I am going to feel really bad if gox exec actually off themselves 527768;1393301768;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 82 @ 0.00518412 = 0.4251 BTC [+] {2} 527769;1393301805;greenspan_fan;I am picturing it now: suicide note partially obscured by condensation from the frappuchino placed on top 527770;1393301827;Bones_;I'm thinking more like yakuza as you said 527771;1393301831;Bones_;Very public 527772;1393301833;ThickAsThieves;ratpoisonichino 527773;1393301866;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yuyx4/hey_charlie_shrem_was_this_the_good_news_on_the/ 527774;1393301867;ozbot;Hey Charlie Shrem, was this the good news on the horizon you were talking about? : Bitcoin 527775;1393301872;ThickAsThieves;lol 527776;1393301890;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.000869 = 0.1738 BTC [+] 527777;1393301891;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00518999 = 0.3892 BTC [+] 527778;1393301902;greenspan_fan;or satashi nakamoto, the real brains behind mt. gox, swoops in to bail everyone out with his million bitcoin stash 527779;1393301925;ThickAsThieves;http://www.domaininvesting.com/andy-booth-sells-gox-com/ 527780;1393301926;ozbot;Andy Booth Sells Gox.com | DomainInvesting.com 527781;1393301945;ThickAsThieves;On February 21, 2014, Andy Booth was listed as the domain name registrant, according to a historical Whois record. 527782;1393301962;cazalla;would this resolve as yes if they rebrand http://bitbet.us/bet/751/mtgox-out-of-business-in-2014/ 527783;1393301976;ThickAsThieves;My brother met domain broker Joe Politzer in Singapore who got excited about gox.com and then I said he could try to sell it if he wanted. He called Karpeles and Gox to find out if they wanted it and immediately they expressed pretty strong interest. I’ve asked Mark if it’s ok to publish details (no response as yet).” 527784;1393302012;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.00518999 = 0.3841 BTC [+] {2} 527785;1393302014;greenspan_fan;don't think mark's going to be responding to anybody 527786;1393302052;greenspan_fan;the question remains, though, who got the 700 000 btc? 527787;1393302057;ThickAsThieves;this is who did the deal http://dn.biz/ 527788;1393302075;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.0055 = 0.121 BTC 527789;1393302076;ThickAsThieves;according to the article* 527790;1393302099;the20year;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yuozv/mtgox_just_proceeded_a_bunch_of_jpy_withdrawal/ 527791;1393302099;ozbot;Mt.Gox just proceeded a bunch of JPY withdrawal today : Bitcoin 527792;1393302106;jurov;hi mircea_popescu, all according to plan? 527793;1393302118;mircea_popescu;jurov what specifically ? 527794;1393302132;Bugpowder;lol 527795;1393302136;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00515 = 1.03 BTC [-] 527796;1393302137;jurov;gox is done 527797;1393302137;greenspan_fan;have you heard about mt gox? 527798;1393302142;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, you missed some drama 527799;1393302145;mircea_popescu;i just woke up! 527800;1393302151;dexX7;haha 527801;1393302152;ThickAsThieves;wake up faster! 527802;1393302155;Apocalyptic;it's a shitstorm out there 527803;1393302155;mircea_popescu;>< 527804;1393302162;greenspan_fan;this should be like christmas for you 527805;1393302164;mircea_popescu;so i should wake up for the derpage ? 527806;1393302169;ThickAsThieves;www.gox.com 527807;1393302176;asciilifeform;let the man sleep, folks. he sleeps, what, once a week? 527808;1393302177;mircea_popescu;what is this, derpworld ? 527809;1393302179;mircea_popescu;lmao 527810;1393302193;greenspan_fan;a really suspicious slide deck about mt gox going under surfaced 527811;1393302196;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.0051335 = 0.3491 BTC [-] {2} 527812;1393302199;mircea_popescu;derp. 527813;1393302201;ThickAsThieves;he doesnt need sleep, just to avoid sunlight 527814;1393302210;greenspan_fan;seems like it was legit; they've essentially gone dark 527815;1393302210;mircea_popescu;listen, all this is a lot less exciting if YOU KNOW IT WILL HAPPEM 527816;1393302216;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves now i have to kill you. 527817;1393302224;ThickAsThieves;turn me 527818;1393302235;mircea_popescu;lol 527819;1393302238;ThickAsThieves;:) 527820;1393302245;mircea_popescu;i just tried to log into twitter as mircea popsicu 527821;1393302250;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, I would like your opinion on https://www.dropbox.com/s/qhl8b6k1rya78xc/209050732-MtGox-Situation-Crisis-Strategy-Draft.pdf 527822;1393302253;asciilifeform;'for what have i prepared this beautiful golden stake?' 527823;1393302274;Vexual;bugpowders running gox add on matlab 527824;1393302281;mircea_popescu;lmao 527825;1393302323;greenspan_fan;so did you hear about this in advance? 527826;1393302330;kakobrekla;o, now we have gif http://i.imgur.com/T2RudcB.gif 527827;1393302341;ThickAsThieves;nice! 527828;1393302343;greenspan_fan;it seemed like the btc foundation peopel knew 527829;1393302354;mircea_popescu;lol good gif 527830;1393302366;asciilifeform;goes well with that other bouncyball gif 527831;1393302370;asciilifeform;the one with the dildo 527832;1393302371;greenspan_fan;given that they all prepared joint statements 527833;1393302374;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan basically, mtgox demise was decided april 2013, at the secret conference nobody went to. 527834;1393302378;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 75 @ 0.0055 = 0.4125 BTC 527835;1393302386;mod6;lol @ gif 527836;1393302407;mircea_popescu;and the fact that the scammer troop has coordinated ballet on the topic is really just a sign of how fucking stupid they are. 527837;1393302426;greenspan_fan;they had to revise their statements after release 527838;1393302432;mircea_popescu;point in case. 527839;1393302440;greenspan_fan;presumably on the advice of lawyers 527840;1393302448;mircea_popescu;kinda the only reason i like vessenes. he's so fucking dumb. 527841;1393302452;ThickAsThieves;on the advice of me! 527842;1393302460;greenspan_fan;wait, you're not a lawyer? 527843;1393302460;the20year;did the buildabetterburgers take down gox? 527844;1393302463;Vexual;flee immediately! 527845;1393302465;mircea_popescu;thickaslawyers ? 527846;1393302472;ThickAsThieves;lawyersasthieves 527847;1393302482;mircea_popescu;sas is good... 527848;1393302485;greenspan_fan;hey man, some of my best friends are thieves 527849;1393302511;dexX7;https://twitter.com/magicalgox/status/438161500537380864 wtf 527850;1393302512;ozbot;Twitter / MagicalGox: Send me 1BTC and I will resolve ... 527851;1393302523;Bugpowder;dexX7: fake accy 527852;1393302540;Vexual;Bugpowder, is matlab saying when yet? 527853;1393302594;ThickAsThieves;http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57619465-93/bitcoin-exchange-mt-gox-offline-amid-insolvency-charges/ 527854;1393302595;ozbot;Bitcoin exchange Mt. Gox offline amid 'insolvency' charges | Internet & Media - CNET News 527855;1393302630;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder kinda what happens when you delete your posts, you know ? people start the takeover. 527856;1393302632;Bugpowder;Vexual: Still doing experiments 527857;1393302646;Bugpowder;haven't tracked it yet 527858;1393302662;ThickAsThieves;pdf claims 700k btc lost over "years" 527859;1393302672;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves it is roughly true. 527860;1393302681;mircea_popescu;not that that's an excuse for anything. 527861;1393302699;greenspan_fan;what is interesting, though, is that you might be able to follow the block chain from the earlier transactions 527862;1393302741;greenspan_fan;I'm betting julian assange did it, to fund his jihad against america 527863;1393302749;mircea_popescu;lol 527864;1393302758;mircea_popescu;it's their nest egg. 527865;1393302775;greenspan_fan;bitcoin becomes the national currency of ecuador and he flees britain as a citizen 527866;1393302779;ThickAsThieves;maybe he'll have a co-press relase with snowden 527867;1393302788;asciilifeform;http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/iranians-hacked-navy-network-for-4-months-not-a-surprise/ 527868;1393302788;ozbot;Iranians hacked Navy network for four months? Not a surprise. | Ars Technica 527869;1393302791;greenspan_fan;no man, snowden's satoshi 527870;1393302794;asciilifeform;tldr: run more winblows, usg 527871;1393302796;greenspan_fan;he's got his own bitcoins 527872;1393302801;ThickAsThieves;snowtoshi 527873;1393302805;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10975 BTC [+] 527874;1393302819;dexX7;there is also this post from wsj earlier: http://archive.is/NLLpV - "According to documents seen by The Wall Street Journal, Tibanne Co., which operates Mt. Gox, is expected to generate a small profit in the fiscal year ending in March from exchange transaction fees. The forecast, however, assumes bitcoin prices well above current levels." 527875;1393302873;greenspan_fan;https://www.tibanne.com/article/7/we-re-hiring- 527876;1393302873;ozbot;Tibanne Co. Ltd. 527877;1393302886;ThickAsThieves;lol 527878;1393302892;nubbins`;hiring what, liquidators? 527879;1393302895;ThickAsThieves;CSS3 needed! 527880;1393302902;mircea_popescu;forum experts. 527881;1393302902;greenspan_fan;Ability to comment properly work is important 527882;1393302930;greenspan_fan;so when's the mpex ipo for gox.com? 527883;1393302949;mircea_popescu;heh. 527884;1393302965;nubbins`;still say that pdf is bogus 527885;1393302967;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2165830363/Peter-Portrait.jpg << seriously, look at this guy. doesn't he look like the 110 iq barrier is a bridge too far ? 527886;1393302979;ThickAsThieves;an IPO to buy the domain after scammers are done with it? 527887;1393302993;Vexual;nub, i think it'd be hard to miss that much btc over time 527888;1393302995;mircea_popescu;wasn't i explaining before how goxshit isn't worth money ? 527889;1393303003;asciilifeform;unrelated, but relevant to 'interesting times': http://bloodandtreasure.typepad.com/blood_treasure/2004/09/further_chronic.html 527890;1393303008;mircea_popescu;Vexual we knew they were in the red. 527891;1393303013;greenspan_fan;it was a joke 527892;1393303017;Vexual;and they knew? 527893;1393303021;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/mtgox-and-ancient-bitcoin-history-the-straight-dope/ 527894;1393303022;ozbot;MtGox and ancient Bitcoin history - the straight dope. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 527895;1393303024;mircea_popescu;time to re-read this. 527896;1393303026;greenspan_fan;and that guy looks like he's experienced a couple "non-standard deviations" 527897;1393303032;mircea_popescu;yes vex. they were in the red up until late 2012. 527898;1393303062;mircea_popescu;i suppose that article may read differently in light of events. 527899;1393303063;nubbins`;"Successive emperors became the captors of various factions of eunuchs." 527900;1393303070;nubbins`;the type of shit that'd put House of Cards to shame 527901;1393303117;Apocalyptic;<greenspan_fan> and that guy looks like he's experienced a couple "non-standard deviations" // heh 527902;1393303138;mircea_popescu;nubbins` what is house of cards anyway ? 527903;1393303138;greenspan_fan;did you see the latest season? I'd say it was a contender, even sans eunuchs 527904;1393303148;mircea_popescu;coupla titters on twitter keep derping about it. 527905;1393303150;greenspan_fan;also, I think it's supposed to be GNU/eunuchs 527906;1393303158;mircea_popescu;aaaahahahaha 527907;1393303192;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: netflix-only television show based on a bbc television show based on a novel. the netflix version centers around u.s. political intrigue, specifically kevin spacey's machinations towards the presidency 527908;1393303224;greenspan_fan;with significant inspiration from caro's biography of lyndon johnson 527909;1393303225;nubbins`;worth watching, we swallowed season 2 over about 4 days 527910;1393303251;mircea_popescu;oh 527911;1393303254;nubbins`;lots of intrigue, subterfuge, etc 527912;1393303255;greenspan_fan;anyone else read that biography? 527913;1393303255;ThickAsThieves;http://imgur.com/xFp7iVc 527914;1393303256;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 527915;1393303268;greenspan_fan;hahaha 527916;1393303285;mircea_popescu;ajhahaha 527917;1393303293;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you got a twittar ? 527918;1393303301;nubbins`;greenspan_fan: never read the bio, HoC s2 was great tho 527919;1393303311;nubbins`;they've been renewed for a third, hey? 527920;1393303326;ThickAsThieves;i have only the altcoin twatter 527921;1393303335;greenspan_fan;nubbins I am angry that I'll have to wait for a year, though 527922;1393303340;mircea_popescu;what was it again ? 527923;1393303353;greenspan_fan;you must be the only altcoin creator without 10,000 sockpuppets 527924;1393303354;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 18 @ 0.16230094 = 2.9214 BTC [-] 527925;1393303355;ThickAsThieves;@therealaltcoin 527926;1393303405;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/438172294050234368 527927;1393303415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00088332 = 18.5497 BTC [-] {2} 527928;1393303442;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/CWzXmDV 527929;1393303443;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 527930;1393303444;nubbins`;daww ;( 527931;1393303473;ThickAsThieves;lol 527932;1393303475;greenspan_fan;isn't that like the clown from those stephen king novels? 527933;1393303476;nubbins`;^ this is the proper way to deal with this issue, not a fucking cloudflare snapshot 527934;1393303484;mircea_popescu;lol 527935;1393303491;nubbins`;what's a snapshot of an exchange website going to do for me? 527936;1393303493;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you actually got that ? or was it a lol ? 527937;1393303500;Vexual;i wonder if magicdunce will shoot thru? he must have thousands of high res passports 527938;1393303501;nubbins`;at least make me feel bad 527939;1393303508;nubbins`;mircea_popescu it's real! 527940;1393303516;nubbins`;i thought the twitter fail whale was neat 527941;1393303521;nubbins`;this is next-level 527942;1393303521;ThickAsThieves;"Interestingly the folks at secondmarket called me today to say that there will be a one week halt on all new BIT purchases and their trading department is no longer taking any new positions." 527943;1393303526;ThickAsThieves;from a friend of mine 527944;1393303530;ThickAsThieves;(not trolling) 527945;1393303536;mircea_popescu;<Vexual> i wonder if magicdunce will shoot thru? he must have thousands of high res passports <<< EPIC 527946;1393303553;ThickAsThieves;i wonder if 2ndmarket used gox 527947;1393303556;ThickAsThieves;biglolz! 527948;1393303558;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves they did yes. 527949;1393303561;mircea_popescu;because they know better. 527950;1393303563;ThickAsThieves;hahahahaha 527951;1393303564;ThickAsThieves;ahahah 527952;1393303574;mircea_popescu;you know how like a certain fucktarded ceo is making his own stock exchgange ? cause he knows better ? 527953;1393303585;mircea_popescu;you know how ycombinator isn't hiring BingoBoingo to tell them what's what ? 527954;1393303596;mircea_popescu;you know how the twinkleloss brothers don't feel like they need to be here ? 527955;1393303598;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.0005 = 0.5 BTC [-] {2} 527956;1393303606;mircea_popescu;that's exactly how second market thinks it knows better than me 527957;1393303617;mircea_popescu;the common word describing these is, of course, stupidity. 527958;1393303634;greenspan_fan;you could make your website prettier, at least 527959;1393303635;Bones_;If everyone was in here, then we wouldn't make as much money? 527960;1393303644;greenspan_fan;and while you're at it, make your blog free 527961;1393303648;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan or i could add spikes on my cock, to leave better marks on assholes. 527962;1393303650;mircea_popescu;either way. 527963;1393303684;ThickAsThieves;you could lose a cock that way 527964;1393303687;greenspan_fan;but gox was able to siphon off 700 000 btc because they had javascript and css basically 527965;1393303687;ThickAsThieves;be careful 527966;1393303720;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 546 @ 0.00445591 = 2.4329 BTC [-] {20} 527967;1393303743;ThickAsThieves;@Mircea_Popescu @therealaltcoin Lol even google image can tell its peter 527968;1393303745;ThickAsThieves;winnar 527969;1393303764;ThickAsThieves;pay google 1000 ATC 527970;1393303811;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan you have to take into consideration 80+% of that was when btc was < $1 527971;1393303831;Vexual;still a lot of milkshakes 527972;1393303832;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves if google tweets @me i will sure. 527973;1393303836;Bugpowder;OK... let's get back to racking these cold wallets 527974;1393303849;ThickAsThieves;k 527975;1393303857;ThickAsThieves;we'll read your findings really hard 527976;1393303868;Vexual;why .info? 527977;1393303874;nubbins`;ah, bc.info has edited their statement as well 527978;1393303882;nubbins`;no more mention of insolvency 527979;1393303898;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu but surely you have some pretty sick programmers working for you? idk much about web frontends, so idk if it's bad security 527980;1393303899;benkay;much drama and lulz today? 527981;1393303899;Apocalyptic;amateur communication 527982;1393303903;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 46 @ 0.00518998 = 0.2387 BTC [+] 527983;1393303907;Apocalyptic;if you knew benkay .. 527984;1393303931;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan what do you mean ? 527985;1393303964;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00518998 = 0.2284 BTC [+] 527986;1393304012;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu presumably if you/your employees could implement a sophisticated exchange (with all the countermeasures in order to ensure continuous operation) you could at least add some css to mpex.co 527987;1393304026;mircea_popescu;provided i wanted to. 527988;1393304063;mircea_popescu;nubbins` da fuck is bc.info 527989;1393304075;ThickAsThieves;cockchain 527990;1393304075;nubbins`;i abbreviated blockchain.info 527991;1393304086;nubbins`;kind of forgot that it makes a link that people can click ;( 527992;1393304108;mircea_popescu;a. 527993;1393304138;ThickAsThieves;lol http://cockchain.info/ 527994;1393304148;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 765 @ 0.00522621 = 3.9981 BTC [+] {3} 527995;1393304172;Vexual;i guess bp dont want prtd matleb on a machine that has blockchain 527996;1393304186;greenspan_fan;at this point idk whether it's positive (as a mark of differentiation) or whether you're losing business because it seems like it's pre-1999 527997;1393304208;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 134 @ 0.00525893 = 0.7047 BTC [+] {3} 527998;1393304214;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan what business am i losing ? 527999;1393304229;Vexual;sub 140iq sub 50btc 528000;1393304252;Apocalyptic;.d 528001;1393304252;ozbot;3,129,573,174.52229 | Next Diff in 598 blocks | Estimated Change: 20.5183% in 3d 7h 2m 4s 528002;1393304259;mircea_popescu;leading question : how much business is nyse losing by not having a drive-thru presence in most shopping malls ? 528003;1393304270;Vexual;12? 528004;1393304278;mircea_popescu;leading question #2 : what could the concept of "Accredited investor" mean in bitcoin, and how would one go about meaningfully implementing it ? 528005;1393304282;Apocalyptic;nice analogy mircea 528006;1393304296;greenspan_fan;I actually bought some options for ibm at wal-mart earlier today, so times are changing 528007;1393304312;mircea_popescu;pankkake pls to 1000 atc to 1CgNLdNUaXFawURSBuX4xBHv53GhGZ3XuC ty 528008;1393304333;jurov;greenspan_fan: clearly there's market gap for you to exploit 528009;1393304334;mircea_popescu;greenspan_ the times are only changing in the sense the us is going under. 528010;1393304341;mircea_popescu;there is such a thing as eternal truths. 528011;1393304368;mircea_popescu;but yes, as the j man says, nothing keeps you from doing brokerage for any market segment you identify and think you can serve. 528012;1393304382;greenspan_fan;putting it another way, given your thoughts re: art, you could consider patronizing some pre-autistic teenager with a color palette and a dream 528013;1393304387;Bones_;greenspan_fan - if anything his website exudes "dude who knows what the fuck he is doing". Not to suck your dick or anything mp but anyway that's how I saw the website 528014;1393304399;ThickAsThieves;to #2, measured by your bitcoin holdings, no? 528015;1393304408;benkay;it's pretty easy 528016;1393304415;benkay;an accredited bitcoin investor accumulates bitcoins 528017;1393304426;benkay;they are accredited by virtue of having and accumulating bitcoins 528018;1393304429;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves inasmuch as one intends to measure sophistication, bitcoin holdings alone would show on the historical record an insufficient measure. 528019;1393304440;fract4l;mircea_popescu: did you predict GOX demise?? 528020;1393304443;mircea_popescu;why ty Bones_ 528021;1393304449;mircea_popescu;fract4l no. i announced it. 528022;1393304449;benkay;that's why the accumulation's important, mircea_popescu 528023;1393304452;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 404 @ 0.0053995 = 2.1814 BTC [-] {2} 528024;1393304481;copumpkin;joe shmoe mined 10000 coins on his old laptop in 2009 as a joke 528025;1393304484;copumpkin;he's accredited 528026;1393304488;copumpkin;cause he has a lot of money 528027;1393304493;mircea_popescu;provided he didn't lose the laptop 528028;1393304494;copumpkin;seems a little awkward :) 528029;1393304497;mircea_popescu;(which most did) 528030;1393304500;benkay;copumpkin you missed the part about accumulation. 528031;1393304511;greenspan_fan;Bones_ only because he's influential enough that people ought to be aware 528032;1393304526;mircea_popescu;i just got an email from a friend, it goes "hey can i have like 10-20 bux worth of bitcoin cause im testing this service and i lost all the btc i mined on my laptop back in the day" 528033;1393304531;mircea_popescu;tru story. inbox of this morn. 528034;1393304561;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: hey, can you send me 10 coins? thanks 528035;1393304564;ThickAsThieves;satoshi still emails you? 528036;1393304565;mircea_popescu;lol 528037;1393304568;mircea_popescu;lmao 528038;1393304571;nubbins`;heh! 528039;1393304574;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2879 @ 0.00539996 = 15.5465 BTC [+] 528040;1393304583;mircea_popescu;copumpkin no more bentleys for you! 528041;1393304588;assbot;Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1656180/plain/) 528042;1393304588;jurov;!b 7 528043;1393304589;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: :( 528044;1393304602;copumpkin;I should sell my MPOE 528045;1393304604;nubbins`;too slow ;( 528046;1393304606;copumpkin;but I can't bring myself to 528047;1393304611;*;copumpkin holds onto his MPOE 528048;1393304620;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan but srsly, it's legitimate. if you think you can help some people do shit, help them. nothing wrong with that. 528049;1393304632;mircea_popescu;a large chunk of the way i designed mpex is so as to empower people to grow their own stuff 528050;1393304643;mircea_popescu;rather than try and corner the entire market. cornered markets don't grow. 528051;1393304657;Bones_;see https://coinbr.com/ 528052;1393304659;jurov;he insist to help you to proper css, you know 528053;1393304675;mircea_popescu;if anything ima take the website down eventually. 528054;1393304682;mircea_popescu;just... whatever, it's there. 528055;1393304694;fract4l;interesting that MP, the #1 hated guy on the forums, turns out to have more integrity then anyone thought...... 528056;1393304704;fract4l;he also has spot-on predictions 528057;1393304706;mircea_popescu;fract4l isn't that how things normally work out ? 528058;1393304718;copumpkin;I trust mircea_popescu to be honest 528059;1393304722;copumpkin;he's just a little odd 528060;1393304727;copumpkin;but he thinks the same about me 528061;1393304730;mircea_popescu;you can say asshole, i dun mind. 528062;1393304737;fract4l;mircea_popescu: haha... i suppose so. maybe your picture on the camel made people not take you seriously? 528063;1393304738;copumpkin;nah, you're not 100% asshole 528064;1393304746;mircea_popescu;fract4l when am i on a camel ?! 528065;1393304751;Bones_;lol 528066;1393304754;jurov;lool 528067;1393304754;nubbins`;^ HEH 528068;1393304757;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 442 @ 0.00539998 = 2.3868 BTC [+] {2} 528069;1393304763;assbot;Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1656188/plain/) 528070;1393304763;jurov;!b 10 528071;1393304763;mircea_popescu;copumpkin not even women are 100% women you know ? 528072;1393304764;ninjashogun;hi guys 528073;1393304766;nubbins`;it was a horse, ya racist! 528074;1393304767;Apocalyptic;fract4l, how dare you, that's a great picture 528075;1393304769;mircea_popescu;hi ninjashogun 528076;1393304774;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: didn't think so! 528077;1393304776;ThickAsThieves;sup ninja 528078;1393304785;ninjashogun;hi mircea_popescu hi ThickAsThieves 528079;1393304804;ninjashogun;Not much ThickAsThieves . I'm raising $50K for a new job web site based on applied graph theory (not to relationships/connections - something else) 528080;1393304810;ThickAsThieves;<ThickAsThieves> OneFixt did you at least diversify into other exchanges already? 528081;1393304810;ThickAsThieves;<@OneFixt> ThickAsThieves: a tiny bit 528082;1393304818;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3316 @ 0.00539996 = 17.9063 BTC [-] {3} 528083;1393304819;fract4l;Apocalyptic: hey, personally i think the camel picture is hilarious.... 528084;1393304823;ThickAsThieves;i trolled the guy enough you'd think he'd have learned... 528085;1393304833;fract4l;ThickAsThieves: did you lose any coin on gox? 528086;1393304836;Bugpowder;OneFixt lost his coins?!? Oh man. 528087;1393304837;ThickAsThieves;lol 528088;1393304845;Bugpowder;The BITCOIN ORACLE 528089;1393304852;Bugpowder;Couldn't see the shut down coming 528090;1393304855;Apocalyptic;Bugpowder, he claimed to have almost everything in gox 528091;1393304856;fract4l;well, losing my coins on gox is going to seriously motivate me to work harder to make more BTC. 528092;1393304858;ThickAsThieves;i used goz like twice in feb 528093;1393304863;ThickAsThieves;2013 528094;1393304863;OneFixt;Bugpowder: i have enough, Bugpowder, don't worry 528095;1393304864;ninjashogun;WhatsApp just sold for $16Billion, and there is a huge bubble in the valley . technical jobs are very scarce. we have 1) something much better than search, based on graph theory (without sayin gmore) and 2) a reason people will upload their profiles for this reason :) We can get a lot of technical profiles just from launch / announcements (on hacker news etc) 528096;1393304873;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder we have an oracle too ? 528097;1393304886;fract4l;i'm *SHOCKED* that bitcoinbuilder is still above 0.00000001 528098;1393304886;Duffer1;ninjashogun tell us more about how to invest 528099;1393304888;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun unless you manage to lay zuck you're not in this game. 528100;1393304889;Bugpowder;https://twitter.com/BitcoinOracle 528101;1393304890;ozbot;Bitcoin-Analysis (BitcoinOracle) on Twitter 528102;1393304897;Bones_;ninjashogun, will this site help me get laid 528103;1393304904;asciilifeform;'technical jobs are very scarce' << wait what 528104;1393304907;asciilifeform;what planet. 528105;1393304910;Bugpowder;fract4l: I'd buy at 0.01 528106;1393304910;greenspan_fan;better than search based on graph theory? 528107;1393304913;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he means technical people. 528108;1393304916;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I meant talent! Sorry. 528109;1393304918;ninjashogun;yes, sorry 528110;1393304918;ninjashogun;:) 528111;1393304922;greenspan_fan;are you on crack? all search uses graph theory 528112;1393304930;benkay;now now greenspan_fan 528113;1393304934;benkay;settle down 528114;1393304937;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan in the sense al qm uses matrixes, sure. 528115;1393304943;ninjashogun;No, keyword search doesn't use graph theory. It uses set theory. (In the form of database design) 528116;1393304949;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla check it out, your shitty chan is about to break 200 528117;1393304965;greenspan_fan;sorry, that was kinda rude 528118;1393304982;greenspan_fan;but, for instance, facebook's whole deal is modelling via social graph 528119;1393304985;ninjashogun;database queries are applied set theory. Ours is different, it's based on graph theory and is a very novel application that results in much better matches ,and ALSO a good reason for people to upload their profiles. 528120;1393304986;kakobrekla;its you ppl that make it shitty! 528121;1393304987;ThickAsThieves;all design uses grid theory, coincidence? 528122;1393304988;copumpkin;ninjashogun: pagerank is a graph algorithm :) 528123;1393304996;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=485913 << anyone got any advice ? 528124;1393304997;mircea_popescu;lolz 528125;1393304998;ozbot;How to recover your money as a small time investor with funds in mtgox 528126;1393305013;ninjashogun;copumpkin, yes, you're right it is :) 528127;1393305037;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun basically everyone's point is that regardless how you personally look at it, mathematic reality is accessible to everyone on their own terms. 528128;1393305042;greenspan_fan;also, idk how they teach qm in romania, but you can get by OK without knowing matrix mechanics 528129;1393305046;nubbins`;;;seen mike_c 528130;1393305046;gribble;mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <mike_c> :) hopefully i can run it on an actual machine and get better performance 528131;1393305056;ninjashogun;So just to put this in context I have just connected this week with the other mathetician I am creating this site with, so it is a very fresh startup opportunity. To whoever asked about the means of investing, standard terms as you would suggest based on hearing abou thte opportunity etc. 528132;1393305059;benkay;hoo booo whaaat qm without matrix operations? 528133;1393305062;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan yes, but that doesn't mean any part of qm is inaccessible to matrix. 528134;1393305074;dexX7;this is somehow sad.. i wonder for how many bitcoin was a pain instead of pleasure 528135;1393305081;mircea_popescu;dexX7 hopefully for most. 528136;1393305082;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, I have no idea why you wrote thta to me 528137;1393305083;mircea_popescu;you know, like sex. 528138;1393305105;ninjashogun;"mathematic reality is accessible to everyone on their own terms" 528139;1393305113;nubbins`;^ it is 528140;1393305115;greenspan_fan;but I always conceptualized pagerank for instance as being essentially graph theoretic in nature 528141;1393305120;ninjashogun;Yes, it is. 528142;1393305124;ninjashogun;Absolutely, greenspan_fan 528143;1393305126;mircea_popescu;so good for you :) 528144;1393305130;ninjashogun;Ours is a bit different. 528145;1393305134;copumpkin;a big-ass matrix is a graph 528146;1393305134;Duffer1;what's your business plan? 528147;1393305136;ninjashogun;But in some ways very similar to pagerank 528148;1393305140;copumpkin;well, a square matrix is 528149;1393305150;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 it's a start-up, what business plan. they maybe have an idea is all. 528150;1393305163;mircea_popescu;copumpkin i thought it didn't have to be square. 528151;1393305175;mircea_popescu;you can generalise the graph space neh ? 528152;1393305179;nubbins`;^ 528153;1393305187;nubbins`;pick yr number of dimensions 528154;1393305188;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: well, there's an obvious interpretation of a square matrix as a graph 528155;1393305192;ninjashogun;Duffer1 - hi, Duffer1 . The business plan is to get profiles for free, based on the novel application, which will cause people to want to upload their profiles to us, and use them to fill vacancies scraped from other sites. (Meaning for starters the other sites get the money from it.) 528156;1393305196;mircea_popescu;copumpkin a that sure. 528157;1393305197;nubbins`;5 if you want, all the rules still work 528158;1393305205;nubbins`;you just won't be able to make a physical model of it anymore 528159;1393305212;copumpkin;then matrix multiplication "walks" the graph 528160;1393305214;copumpkin;it's kind of fun 528161;1393305219;greenspan_fan;ninjashogun the scraping part could be a thing unto itself 528162;1393305221;ninjashogun;Duffer1, then when we have a set of profiles and a critical mass, we can get listings ourselves directly, and get the money from them. However, there has to be content initially. 528163;1393305234;copumpkin;you can then multiply graphs with unusual semirings to get more interesting behavior 528164;1393305237;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun specifically, what is the problem you are solving ? 528165;1393305241;ninjashogun;greenspan_fan, I don't think so. I am sure every job site would be open to us sending people to their ads :) 528166;1393305242;nubbins`;it comforts me that math still works with more than three spatial dimensions 528167;1393305253;copumpkin;nubbins`: it breaks at 7, sorry 528168;1393305255;ThickAsThieves;your business plan has no business in it though 528169;1393305263;nubbins`;D: why didn't anyone tell me 528170;1393305287;mircea_popescu;nubbins` it's okay, Mr Hig Uyse proved that any set of cats can be packed in less than 7 dimensions. 528171;1393305290;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, the specific problem we're solving is "connecting jobs with job-seekers". I.e. finding the best qualified candidate for an employer, or the place to work for a job-seeker. BETTER than a text search where they both just blurt out what they need (exactly) on the part of the employer or everything they have done (exactly) on the part of the job seeker. 528172;1393305292;greenspan_fan;you don't need business, just data. Cash out and pass the buck to facebook or whomever 528173;1393305296;nubbins`;phew 528174;1393305300;ninjashogun;which is how keyword search (status quo) works. 528175;1393305307;nubbins`;bad news for the imgur giraffe tho 528176;1393305316;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun but how do you account for flexibility in either side ? 528177;1393305325;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu not a fan of string theory? 528178;1393305329;asciilifeform;;;google man woman dog matching 528179;1393305329;gribble;NP-completemess | Equivalence: <http://equivalence.co.uk/archives/63>; Man, Woman, Dog, seeking stable relationship. - Math StackExchange: <http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/531586/man-woman-dog-seeking-stable-relationship>; Dog and Dog Chinese Love Compatibility - Astrology.com: <http://www.astrology.com/chinese-love-compatibility-dog-dog/2-d-chmt-dog_dog> 528180;1393305330;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, exactly. 528181;1393305332;ThickAsThieves;no one wants to fill out another resume 528182;1393305335;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, that is the problem we have solved. 528183;1393305337;ninjashogun;Yes. 528184;1393305337;mircea_popescu;(some people don't want to do a specific job, but whatever, some people don't want something specific done, but whatever IS done) ? 528185;1393305354;ninjashogun;Yes. 528186;1393305355;ninjashogun;Exactly. 528187;1393305360;ninjashogun;This is the issue that we solve. 528188;1393305361;antephialtic;isn't that just the stable marriage problem? 528189;1393305367;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.48000142 = 3.36 BTC [+] {2} 528190;1393305372;nubbins`;some people don't want the best and brightest, they just want people who can do an okay job 528191;1393305373;ninjashogun;No other site does this - other sites just are glorified text searches or databse searches. 528192;1393305381;mircea_popescu;this is true. 528193;1393305386;nubbins`;unfortunately all these people are in btc ;( 528194;1393305388;mircea_popescu;this much is true, job market is a scandal. 528195;1393305392;ninjashogun;yes 528196;1393305397;ninjashogun;and we're set to shake it up 528197;1393305401;nubbins`;heh 528198;1393305403;mircea_popescu;well you're set to try. 528199;1393305406;mircea_popescu;let's not confuse the two. 528200;1393305422;copumpkin;I saw my profile(s) on gild.com the other day 528201;1393305428;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.00539997 = 0.3132 BTC [+] 528202;1393305429;greenspan_fan;also, consider how many jobs are filled by referrals 528203;1393305429;ThickAsThieves;he's graph to shake it up 528204;1393305433;copumpkin;it was interesting, because they thought there were two of me 528205;1393305434;nubbins`;a job search where mediocre employees can find already-defeated employers 528206;1393305444;copumpkin;and one of them had high expertise, low desirability, and the other had low expertise high desirability 528207;1393305457;nubbins`;as cheeky as that sounds, you're actually onto something there 528208;1393305471;nubbins`;tier 2 job search for people who know they're not up to snuff 528209;1393305477;copumpkin;finding good hires is actually pretty hard 528210;1393305489;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.473 = 4.257 BTC [-] 528211;1393305490;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1571 @ 0.00463921 = 7.2882 BTC [-] {24} 528212;1393305491;ninjashogun;So I am looking for a roughly $50K investment (nominal, could be less). Is anyone here in a position to conssider that, has a portfolio and has been involved iwth other startups in the past? An interest in mathematics (specifically graph theory) helps immensely. 528213;1393305491;copumpkin;so if ninjashogun can get it up and running, he'll have a lot of willing customers 528214;1393305496;greenspan_fan;my idea for a start-up involves me applying to thousands of places for remote work, then farming out the resulting offers to india 528215;1393305498;ninjashogun;yes 528216;1393305498;copumpkin;but it's a tough market :) 528217;1393305507;copumpkin;lots of other people want in too 528218;1393305509;copumpkin;like those gild folks 528219;1393305512;greenspan_fan;since the netflix for prostitutes was immediately rejected by y combinator 528220;1393305514;copumpkin;and several others I've seen 528221;1393305515;ninjashogun;the moment I announce on hackernews (hwere I have a profile) at the right time of day, I will have some sign-ups 528222;1393305528;antephialtic;can you specify the specific graph theory problem you are trying to solve? (other than simple bipartate matching) 528223;1393305530;ninjashogun;Yes, but we have an innovation they don't. 528224;1393305532;copumpkin;I want good signups though 528225;1393305533;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/438181249799438336 << for everyone's lulz. 528226;1393305534;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Specifically, @CharlieShrem ... 528227;1393305536;copumpkin;and the good people aren't looking 528228;1393305550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 284 @ 0.00427064 = 1.2129 BTC [-] {9} 528229;1393305552;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun people here are worth well over a billion all together. 528230;1393305554;ninjashogun;antephialtic - No, I don't want to specify it here. It's not about solving an unsolved problem, but rather applying existing theory in a novel way. 528231;1393305566;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, i'll bet you're not getting a dime so far. 528232;1393305573;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, ok... that doesn't really help me though :) I'm not here raising Series A. 528233;1393305580;greenspan_fan;yeah, does it have CSS? that's what I want to know 528234;1393305611;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1130 @ 0.00415 = 4.6895 BTC [-] {2} 528235;1393305612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17382 @ 0.00088296 = 15.3476 BTC [-] 528236;1393305613;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, it doesn't matter if they're worth $10M altogether or $10B. As long as at least one person here has a portfolio and is interested in startups 528237;1393305633;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun they're also inclined to play, something vc's aren't normally. ATC got started because people were bored and so far cost about 50k or thereabouts. 528238;1393305639;ThickAsThieves;;;ticker 528239;1393305640;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 446.96, Best ask: 448.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.94000, Last trade: 448.9, 24 hour volume: 66688.95383623, 24 hour low: 442.12, 24 hour high: 579.34, 24 hour vwap: 529.068851738 528240;1393305643;mircea_popescu;but you're nowhere near the zone. 528241;1393305647;ninjashogun;antephialitc - the specific graph theory problem is related to shortest-path 528242;1393305661;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, interesting 528243;1393305661;mircea_popescu;"Ice-breaking ships help keep Chesapeake Bay waters safe" <<< check out all the global warming. 528244;1393305671;copumpkin;ninjashogun: here's a cute way to compute shortest paths: http://r6.ca/blog/20110808T035622Z.html 528245;1393305672;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00420001 = 0.42 BTC [+] {4} 528246;1393305673;greenspan_fan;my new startup idea: an automated, high-quality "human" activity generator for nascent startups looking for funding 528247;1393305683;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan i'm down. 528248;1393305688;Duffer1;lol 528249;1393305698;mircea_popescu;if you manage to insert it into the next round of ycombinator a la sokal, you get a bonus. 528250;1393305700;ThickAsThieves;i like my search engine idea better 528251;1393305704;davout_;greenspan_fan: interesting 528252;1393305712;Duffer1;ninjashogun do you have any product at all atm to show? 528253;1393305715;mircea_popescu;davout you two can work together. 528254;1393305735;ThickAsThieves;customizable filter templates, fully weightable factors, totally transparent seo 528255;1393305737;ninjashogun;Duffer1 - no, I just met and spoke with my cofounder today :) 528256;1393305745;davout;no, i'm a create-your-own-exchange consultant 528257;1393305750;asciilifeform;folks who think they have an efficient solution to an np-complete problem should not settle for small change. 528258;1393305765;asciilifeform;like paltry $1B 528259;1393305765;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, above where you say "ATC got started because people were bored" - what is ATC pls? 528260;1393305768;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun for the other part of your question, i would say everyone speaking here knows a lot of math. 528261;1393305771;copumpkin;asciilifeform: which NP complete problem? 528262;1393305774;mircea_popescu;review the logs for various lulz. 528263;1393305776;greenspan_fan;it doesn't have to be a solution, just an approximation 528264;1393305783;mircea_popescu;(do you know how to review the logs ?) 528265;1393305807;greenspan_fan;I get really sick of people defending btc-dev not doing important things because they're "probably" np-complete 528266;1393305807;ThickAsThieves;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ 528267;1393305820;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan you don't say. 528268;1393305824;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 528269;1393305828;mircea_popescu;IM SICKER OF IT THAN YOU FOO!!1111 528270;1393305841;ninjashogun;Here is the other person's profile that he responded with: "I am a full stack web/desktop/mobile developer. Currently my weapon of choice is C# for the back end stuff, and JavaScript for the front end. I am also versed in Objective-C (I have three apps on the app store). Daily my bread and butter is developing web apps. Lately I've been developing cross-platform mobile games. I have a degree in Math, so I know just a bit of graph theory... this 528271;1393305841;ninjashogun;project sounds interesting. I'm open and interested in hearing more about this project." 528272;1393305850;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/headbash-d.gif << i'm this sick of it. 528273;1393305855;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0045 = 0.9 BTC [+] {3} 528274;1393305857;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu ranking sickness of it is (probably) np-complete 528275;1393305860;ninjashogun;And for a bit of information, the team is distributed - he is in Kentucky and I am from Boston 528276;1393305868;ninjashogun;Duffer1 - is a distributed team a problem for you? 528277;1393305891;Duffer1;not even a little bit 528278;1393305895;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun listen, you're really misbehaving here, albeit perhaps unintentionally. the correct approach is to lurk and read the logs for about half a year. then you'll be in a position to meaningfully engage th dragons here. 528279;1393305908;mircea_popescu;i get that this doesn't help you any in the sense of getting you to do what you want to do 528280;1393305915;mircea_popescu;and while that is unfortunate, it's nevertheless what it is. 528281;1393305916;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 307 @ 0.0045 = 1.3815 BTC [+] {6} 528282;1393305928;ninjashogun;Duffer1, great. 528283;1393305934;greenspan_fan;alternatively, have some code people can look at 528284;1393305937;Duffer1;^and it is genuinely to your benefit to take that advice 528285;1393305937;ninjashogun;Duffer1 I can PM you the specific graph application (in gerneral terms) 528286;1393305941;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/la-firma/ << perhaps see that as a primer. 528287;1393305942;ozbot;La firma pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 528288;1393305946;Duffer1;nono that's alright 528289;1393305954;ninjashogun;all right. though it's interesting 528290;1393305957;mircea_popescu;mutatis mutandis 528291;1393305971;ninjashogun;again, this is the idea that caused this startup to be created this week. (I did consult with advisors the last week or two about it.) 528292;1393305977;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 118 @ 0.00450001 = 0.531 BTC [+] 528293;1393305993;Duffer1;keep this chan open when you can though, hang around 528294;1393305993;mircea_popescu;no, see, unless you can name an advisor and i can go 528295;1393305997;mircea_popescu;;;rated advisor 528296;1393305998;gribble;You have not yet rated user advisor 528297;1393306007;mircea_popescu;and get a positive result, you haven't in fact consulted any advisors. 528298;1393306038;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0045001 = 0.45 BTC [+] {2} 528299;1393306115;ninjashogun;Duffer1, thanks for the feedback 528300;1393306119;greenspan_fan;it isn't meant to be discouraging, just that you have to do some ground work, have something to show off (like a demo, or some sort of model, at least), before anyone can make an informed investment decision 528301;1393306128;Duffer1;^.^ 528302;1393306132;ninjashogun;greenspan_fan, well, obviously 528303;1393306161;ninjashogun;So what I was tihnking is that this isn't a real 'forum' (in that most IRC channels are basically just trolls etc) and that I would just escalate to another form of contact (skype etc) and be in touch while it gets rolled out 528304;1393306170;ninjashogun;the other thing is we don't REALLY have any capitalization requirements. 528305;1393306174;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2014/a-paper-diagnostic-for-cancer-0224.html i imagine you saw that already ? 528306;1393306175;ninjashogun;it's all software, we have jobs at the moment 528307;1393306200;mircea_popescu;no, this is the real forum. 528308;1393306207;mircea_popescu;when the sec wanted to talk to me i forced them to come here. 528309;1393306212;ninjashogun;so out of a $50K investment, probably a few hundred would go to server costs and $47K would sit in the bank for six months. while we build it (Though I know that is not what investors like to hear) 528310;1393306222;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, you're kidding right? 528311;1393306227;mircea_popescu;i'm dead serious. 528312;1393306230;mircea_popescu;this is the forum. 528313;1393306234;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, um 528314;1393306243;greenspan_fan;personally, I think it would be cool to invest in a start up, but I'm kinda averse to giving cash to pseudonyms in irc who aren't incorporated, have no references, no demos 528315;1393306275;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu when did the SEC come knocking? 528316;1393306293;mircea_popescu;at the rate we're going i'll prolly publish the bundle in a coupla weeks. 528317;1393306302;ninjashogun;greenspan_fan, so first of all obviously you would not give a cash to a pseduonmn :) We can get in touch if appropriate. Could you tell me a bit about yourself - do you have any investments in startups to date? (or been involved iwth one)? Do you like matheatics or theoretical computer science? 528318;1393306322;mircea_popescu;and you can see then. 528319;1393306330;Bugpowder;mircea_popescu: Nope, it sounds like a good idea, but I don't think it will really work. the reason the pregnancy ones work is the hormone level goes up >1000x. MMPs are not that unregulated, maybe 2-3x by volume? Need to read the paper but I imagine the ROC curve is pretty ugly. 528320;1393306349;Bugpowder;'upregulated' 528321;1393306353;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder kinda what im doing here, trying to cheat 528322;1393306404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.0008839 = 26.4286 BTC [+] {2} 528323;1393306405;mircea_popescu;my head goes "yes, but maybe it goes up locally ?" but how would i know. 528324;1393306462;greenspan_fan;it's the new thing 528325;1393306471;greenspan_fan;metablomics. big data, and lots of urine 528326;1393306548;mircea_popescu;myeah. 528327;1393306563;benkay;"cool to invest in a startup" 528328;1393306566;benkay;fuck everything 528329;1393306569;mircea_popescu;so he's new, what. 528330;1393306570;benkay;this is what is wrong with the planet 528331;1393306573;mircea_popescu;let the man have fun. 528332;1393306585;mircea_popescu;not like he's doing it on borrowed moneyz. 528333;1393306592;benkay;unlike the vcs, i suppose 528334;1393306596;mircea_popescu;so you see. 528335;1393306644;Bugpowder;Not to mention, early diagnosis of some cancers has no effect on mortality, but does decrease QOL 528336;1393306653;Bugpowder;and increase care costs dramatically 528337;1393306684;mircea_popescu;sad but true 528338;1393306685;greenspan_fan;benkay I've just never had anyone ask me for money and it turn out well, so I am holding out hope for ninjashogun 528339;1393306690;mircea_popescu;then again this seemed geared for africa 528340;1393306700;mircea_popescu;i bet the situation re qol / cost is different there. 528341;1393306705;ninjashogun;greenspan_fan, I haven't asked you for money :) 528342;1393306715;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder for public benefit, mind enumerating those types ? 528343;1393306766;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan i take it your wife doesn't ask, just takes ? :D 528344;1393306792;joecool;mircea_popescu: congrats on mpex outliving yet another exchange 528345;1393306808;greenspan_fan;haha 528346;1393306811;mircea_popescu;joecool well ty, tho it's kinda chearting. mpex never did fiat. 528347;1393306815;mircea_popescu;shitty business to be in. 528348;1393306821;joecool;seems so 528349;1393306879;benkay;in other news, i'm talking about lisp at the Portland Python night this month. if there are any Portlanders listening, you should come and NOT TALK ABOUT BITCOIN FFS. 528350;1393306881;benkay;http://www.meetup.com/pdxpython/events/146120792/ 528351;1393306882;ozbot;Monthly Presentation Night - 528352;1393306896;mircea_popescu;everyone go, talk of atc instead. 528353;1393306923;benkay;bloody pedants 528354;1393306927;mircea_popescu;http://www.debka.com/article/23704/Russian-units-transferred-from-securing-the-Sochi-games-to-the-Ukraine-border 528355;1393306928;ozbot;Russian units transferred from securing the Sochi games to the Ukraine border 528356;1393306933;mircea_popescu;sheet's getting warm there. 528357;1393306938;benkay;wowee 528358;1393306955;mircea_popescu;what i hear is they moved something like 10k armored vehicles so far today. 528359;1393307051;copumpkin;benkay: you a PL person? 528360;1393307062;davout;oh nice, i didn't the dip 528361;1393307075;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 52 @ 0.00509969 = 0.2652 BTC [-] {2} 528362;1393307076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31100 @ 0.0008853 = 27.5328 BTC [+] {5} 528363;1393307078;davout;see* 528364;1393307136;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.1115081 = 0.5575 BTC [-] {3} 528365;1393307137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7161 @ 0.00088296 = 6.3229 BTC [-] 528366;1393307142;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 528367;1393307144;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 460.0, Best ask: 463.46, Bid-ask spread: 3.46000, Last trade: 463.46, 24 hour volume: 70747.68743697, 24 hour low: 436.36, 24 hour high: 578.5, 24 hour vwap: 522.632639086 528368;1393307153;mircea_popescu;derp. 528369;1393307187;antephialtic;heh. someone should make an MPEX style exchange for usd/btc, all security based on pgp keys 528370;1393307196;davout;oh, mtgox is down 528371;1393307197;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11150005 = 0.223 BTC [-] {2} 528372;1393307198;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.47206 = 2.3603 BTC [-] {3} 528373;1393307209;joecool;davout: you seem surprised 528374;1393307214;antephialtic;speaking of which, its a bit ridiculous that GPG still doesn't support ECDSA keys 528375;1393307221;davout;antephialtic: it does 528376;1393307224;joecool;antephialtic: blame debian 528377;1393307231;mircea_popescu;antephialtic localbitcoins is kinda-that i thought 528378;1393307248;mircea_popescu;ecdsa sux anyway. 528379;1393307248;davout;not really 528380;1393307259;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00434673 = 0.2173 BTC [-] {9} 528381;1393307261;davout;(the localbitcoins thing) 528382;1393307263;joecool;mircea_popescu: depends on the curve chosen 528383;1393307277;mircea_popescu;joecool im suspicious as al lfuck of the entire thing. 528384;1393307282;mircea_popescu;reminds me of dsa. 528385;1393307291;davout;antephialtic: you can already have the same feature if you trade x.eur on mpex 528386;1393307294;antephialtic;wait it does? I'm running osx with gpg from homebrew and it doesn't have ecdsa as an option 528387;1393307306;davout;antephialtic: i think it's gpg2 that does 528388;1393307318;joecool;i'm using 4096-bit RSA for the forseeable future, but ecdsa seems attractive if i can write a javacard implementation to work on my yubikey neo 528389;1393307319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4607 @ 0.00088296 = 4.0678 BTC [-] 528390;1393307323;joecool;until then, openpgp smartcard for me 528391;1393307334;mircea_popescu;joecool how would you identify the classes of curves they have popped ? 528392;1393307339;antephialtic;mircea_popescu: I agree, DSA/ECDSA is a kludge. Schnorr signatures are much better 528393;1393307340;benkay;copumpkin: pl? 528394;1393307346;copumpkin;programming language 528395;1393307347;benkay;copumpkin: programming languages? 528396;1393307351;benkay;notrly 528397;1393307351;mircea_popescu;yes he is. 528398;1393307353;copumpkin;ah 528399;1393307355;benkay;there is only lisp. 528400;1393307357;mircea_popescu;stop scamming him! 528401;1393307357;copumpkin;:) 528402;1393307359;antephialtic;davout: thanks for the tip, going to try to set that up 528403;1393307359;mircea_popescu;lmao 528404;1393307379;benkay;i'm not even a computer science person 528405;1393307381;Namworld;What the hell is going on? I leave for a few hours and the whole Bitcoin world goes to ashes? 528406;1393307390;benkay;it's not Bitcoin, it's just Gox. 528407;1393307392;joecool;mircea_popescu: again i don't use them either, the lack of support though isn't from waryness, it's from the number of old gnupg clients in the wild 528408;1393307421;Namworld;For the sake of speculators dropping out/news/etc, damage is done. 528409;1393307430;Namworld;It's only gox, the rest will recover 528410;1393307439;Namworld;But for now everything is on fire, so to speak. 528411;1393307486;davout;Namworld: global warming hits bitcoin 528412;1393307503;mircea_popescu;antephialtic i'd rather see Cramer-Shoup myself. 528413;1393307510;mircea_popescu;i still dunno why they've never been seriously implemented. 528414;1393307524;Namworld;Global warming? NEEEEEIIIIIILLLLL 528415;1393307531;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem/status/438189256268611584 << check out shrem. 528416;1393307531;ozbot;Twitter / CharlieShrem: . @Mircea_Popescu We both had ... 528417;1393307552;Namworld;Sorry, sorry. My cousin keeps quoting that line from DBZ abridged. 528418;1393307598;mircea_popescu;Namworld is she hot ? 528419;1393307608;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, I checked out mpex exchange 528420;1393307609;benkay;copumpkin: u has pm 528421;1393307610;Namworld;Guy cousin 528422;1393307618;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, did you write it in Perl? 528423;1393307630;Namworld;I had money on gox for convenience, I must admit. 528424;1393307637;mircea_popescu;i didn't write it at all, and tech details haven't really been released. 528425;1393307645;Namworld;Withdrew it at a 10% cut as soon as issues hit. 528426;1393307651;mircea_popescu;Namworld no convenience for you! come back, 1 year! 528427;1393307665;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, I guess you just wrote the beautiful front-end right :) 528428;1393307677;mircea_popescu;o hey. didja help all the people buying mtgox debt learn a lesson ? lol 528429;1393307684;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun no, i just tell people what to do. 528430;1393307692;mircea_popescu;and what they did wrong. 528431;1393307693;lnovy;mircea_popescu: that sun picture send my box whole 1GB into swap :D 528432;1393307703;mircea_popescu;and then if they don't listen sometimes they live long enough to apologize. 528433;1393307710;mircea_popescu;like homeboy shrem a few lines up 528434;1393307724;mircea_popescu;lnovy it's not that huge is it ?! 528435;1393307751;lnovy;mircea_popescu: 4096x4096... but I guess FF is just crap at those... 528436;1393307756;mircea_popescu;srsly. 528437;1393307763;mircea_popescu;what do you do if you get like, a real monitor one day ? 528438;1393307806;lnovy;I have 1920x1080 + 1280x1024... but only a 4 gigs of ram... 528439;1393307807;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10975 BTC [+] 528440;1393307831;mircea_popescu;benkay fwiw, i heard copumpkin once used a lambda function to turn a iphone into an ipad 528441;1393307837;ninjashogun;lnovy - if it's any consolation, they just came out with a 128 GB micro sd card. 528442;1393307839;copumpkin;lol 528443;1393307885;benkay;i once heard copumpkin use a closure to turn an Mac][ into a Genera 528444;1393307888;lnovy;i'd swap to that :) 528445;1393307890;benkay;it was audible. 528446;1393307894;mircea_popescu;lmao 528447;1393307913;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1656343/plain/) 528448;1393307913;benkay;!b 4 528449;1393307945;lnovy;ok, I don't get it :) 528450;1393307970;mircea_popescu;don't worry, nobody does. 528451;1393307971;mircea_popescu;it's lisp. 528452;1393307982;ninjashogun;www.spritzinc.com - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7295094 528453;1393307991;lnovy;curring is for fools 528454;1393307996;ninjashogun;sorry I meant to quote "Spritz read 500 words per minute without any training" 528455;1393307998;ninjashogun;it's an interesting little app 528456;1393308010;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun if you just dump the link ozbot will read the page title. 528457;1393308020;Bugpowder;http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/25/business/apparent-theft-at-mt-gox-shakes-bitcoin-world.html?smid=tw-share&_r=3 528458;1393308022;ozbot;Log In - The New York Times 528459;1393308025;ninjashogun;lol 528460;1393308029;ninjashogun;that worked :) 528461;1393308034;mircea_popescu;the new york times is so well adapted to the web. 528462;1393308040;Bugpowder;mircea_popescu: breast cancer, prostate cancer 528463;1393308047;ninjashogun;ozbot should pretend to be the google bot - then it would get the right titles 528464;1393308048;mircea_popescu;whoa. 528465;1393308070;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder how the fuck does that work man. on my list breast cancer is one where early discovery has the greatest impact. in there with skin cancer. 528466;1393308077;mircea_popescu;what have i been reading the wrong books ? 528467;1393308107;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun i think it just looks for the <title> element in html 528468;1393308127;ninjashogun;ho okay 528469;1393308173;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 626 @ 0.00050099 = 0.3136 BTC [+] {3} 528470;1393308242;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, when you said above that this channel was worth "over $1b" I didn't takei t seriously as if it has like 500 regulars then just a couple of people worth $50M - or a single Internet billionaire who drops in sometimes - would account for that 528471;1393308328;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun well it was seriously. 528472;1393308356;Bugpowder;In other news. http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/gselevator-tattletale-exposed-he-was-never-in-the-goldman-elevator/?hp 528473;1393308365;mircea_popescu;hahahaah 528474;1393308370;mircea_popescu;did you tweet that ? 528475;1393308371;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, your own net worth is quite up there from your exchange site? (With all its glorious stylesheets)? 528476;1393308417;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 271 @ 0.00086048 = 0.2332 BTC [-] {3} 528477;1393308424;Bugpowder;argh can't transfer bitcoin on work network, even when VPN'ed to elsewhere 528478;1393308478;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 85 @ 0.00509997 = 0.4335 BTC [+] {5} 528479;1393308516;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2014#523542 im dead, what. 528480;1393308661;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.472 = 0.944 BTC [-] 528481;1393308702;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder incidentally, you know sm is in hot water over it ? 528482;1393308719;mircea_popescu;extent of the damage not quite known yet. 528483;1393308723;ninjashogun;:) 528484;1393308741;Bugpowder;SM? 528485;1393308754;mircea_popescu;second market. 528486;1393308761;Bugpowder;oh yeah 528487;1393308763;Bugpowder;duh 528488;1393308766;mircea_popescu;myeah. 528489;1393308781;mircea_popescu;course they probably get a free pass from investors 528490;1393308784;mircea_popescu;at least this time. 528491;1393308785;ninjashogun;guys I've received some suggestions to "lurk" and "read logs" here, which I wouldn't really have time to do. It was nice meeting you all though and I may be back as the project progresses. Overall I don't think I will be spending a ton of time building WoT, advisors, etc - as I have real-world references for the moment that I would expect anyone to consutl. 528492;1393308788;antephialtic;mircea_popescu: what is the source that all winklevosses money was in gox 528493;1393308799;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun an' that's fine. 528494;1393308808;antephialtic;ninjashogun: *humblebrag exits* 528495;1393308821;nubbins`;A Goldman spokesman, after being told that @GSElevator had been unmasked, said in a statement, “We are pleased to report that the official ban on talking in elevators will be lifted effective immediately.” 528496;1393308821;nubbins`;heh 528497;1393308825;mircea_popescu;antephialtic source ? what is this source thing you speak of. 528498;1393308840;mircea_popescu;nubbins` wtf you know, ban on talking on elevators. 528499;1393308845;nubbins`;i lel'd 528500;1393308849;mircea_popescu;how about banning fucktards from taking the elevator with you 528501;1393308855;mircea_popescu;eleWoT! 528502;1393308861;nubbins`;i think it was a bit tongue in cheek 528503;1393308869;Vexual;noone talks to me in elevators 528504;1393308877;ninjashogun;ah no humblebrag. It's certainly nice to meet you guys. later. 528505;1393308883;mircea_popescu;;;google love in an elevator aerosmith 528506;1393308884;gribble;Aerosmith - Love In An Elevator - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3Yrhv33Zb8>; Love in an Elevator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_in_an_Elevator>; AEROSMITH LYRICS - Love In An Elevator - A-Z Lyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/aerosmith/loveinanelevator.html> 528507;1393308888;nubbins`;i face backwards if i'm the first person to get in 528508;1393308893;nubbins`;occasionally other people do it too 528509;1393308906;antephialtic;glad to see dealbook is focusing on hard hitting journalism 528510;1393308912;mircea_popescu;i got news for you : those people are gay and looking. 528511;1393308918;Bugpowder;If only Lawsky had rolled out the bit license earlier 528512;1393308925;mircea_popescu;lawl. 528513;1393308929;nubbins`;not quite as tongue in cheek as this: http://cdn.rt.com/files/news/22/c2/70/00/rings.si.jpg 528514;1393308936;mircea_popescu;antephialtic actually a guy focusing on hard hitting journalism was here earlier. 528515;1393308944;mircea_popescu;hopefully he sticks. 528516;1393308993;kakobrekla;looky, erik is alive 528517;1393308995;kakobrekla;www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yv6ph/some_words_for_my_friends/ 528518;1393309010;Vexual;the viking? 528519;1393309052;mircea_popescu;lol 528520;1393309071;Bugpowder;The 0.01% of bitcoin trying to feel the pain of the 99% 528521;1393309079;davout;LOL 528522;1393309085;mircea_popescu;lmao why so mean. 528523;1393309126;mircea_popescu;actually it's prolly less than 0.001% 528524;1393309151;mircea_popescu;pretty sure he's in the 100 archons, and pretty sure there's over 100k people with some bitcoin dust somewhere. 528525;1393309153;nubbins`;the satoshi% 528526;1393309159;mircea_popescu;so that'd be 1 in 1k 528527;1393309167;davout;i hope my 300 EUR/BTC bid gets to feel the pain too 528528;1393309186;mircea_popescu;$vwap x.eur 528529;1393309187;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: X.EUR 1 day: average: 0.00206827 high: 0.0021 low: 0.002 volume: 1100 btc: 2.2751 7 day: average: 0.00211705 high: 0.00226762 low: 0.002 volume: 4209 btc: 8.91064414 30 day: average: 0.00187721 high: 0.00226762 low: 0.00166114 volume: 17120 btc: 32.13776514 528530;1393309189;mircea_popescu;$depth x.eur 528531;1393309190;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: X.EUR Bids: ['200 @ 0.00170512', '500 @ 0.00169213', '4200 @ 0.0016245', '100 @ 0.00153846', '1000 @ 0.001'] 528532;1393309191;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: Asks: ['749 @ 0.0025', '251 @ 0.0026', '450 @ 0.002837', '1531 @ 0.0029'] 528533;1393309204;mircea_popescu;some gap there. 528534;1393309206;davout;not there :D 528535;1393309218;davout;still gotta work on the bot 528536;1393309234;Vexual;make it do binladens too 528537;1393309253;Vexual;gangsta 528538;1393309283;greenspan_fan;how many bots are in this channel? 528539;1393309287;Vexual;or g* is five or ten rather than 3.45565 528540;1393309291;nubbins`;we are all bots 528541;1393309297;Vexual;im the orb 528542;1393309297;davout;greenspan_fan: there's assbot, ozbot, gribble 528543;1393309320;mod6;mpexbot 528544;1393309321;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan bout 3 528545;1393309322;davout;mebbe other that i forget/don't know about 528546;1393309324;greenspan_fan;how many are custom code? 528547;1393309335;mircea_popescu;i think most are supybot 528548;1393309367;kakobrekla;assbot is assbot 528549;1393309374;davout;.bait 528550;1393309375;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/1f55fe7276e6389293ff0657a32daf1b/tumblr_mffqe8FCLj1rxd7x3o1_1280.jpg 528551;1393309381;davout;that's ozbot :3 528552;1393309393;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00508637 = 0.1933 BTC [-] {3} 528553;1393309394;davout;that's a cute one 528554;1393309396;Bugpowder;mircea_popescu: Serious question time, how will options contracts be exercised at month's end? At bitcoincharts price, or at last quoted (~$650 / BTC)? 528555;1393309424;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder that'll be announced then 528556;1393309430;davout;bitcoincharts 7d vwap iirc 528557;1393309439;davout;haha guess not heh 528558;1393309460;mircea_popescu;davout was 24h vwap, except arguably bitcoincharts is broken etc. 528559;1393309463;mircea_popescu;it's a fucking conundrum. 528560;1393309485;Bugpowder;Going to have a big effect on S.MPOE results. Would like to know before. 528561;1393309494;davout;i was thinking about when you said using implied spot for futures was a bad idea 528562;1393309504;Bugpowder;bitcoincharts may fix itself shortly though 528563;1393309505;davout;you still think so? 528564;1393309508;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder kinda why i'm not saying anything. 528565;1393309519;mircea_popescu;davout not sure exactly what you mean ? 528566;1393309539;davout;we were discussing the basket, and how mtgox was kinda ruining it 528567;1393309547;mircea_popescu;yeah 528568;1393309572;davout;and that it would theoretically possible to use the future's implied spot to get the collateralization requirement 528569;1393309574;Vexual;vorb eurostack 528570;1393309577;*;Vexual 1.05 528571;1393309586;Vexual;vorb findeuro 528572;1393309593;*;Vexual unknown 528573;1393309595;greenspan_fan;"If you’re sad about your bitcoins losing all their value, maybe you should have put out more lands so you could bring them out earlier." -- @deliciousbees 528574;1393309595;davout;not even the implied spot i guess, the actual spot 528575;1393309614;Bugpowder;420 on coinbase dude 528576;1393309641;mircea_popescu;davout i recall you proposing that and me pointing out it cant happen because of backfeed. 528577;1393309642;davout;or some vwap 528578;1393309722;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/438198808359731200 << curious how well that works out. 528579;1393309723;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @niubi You only think that ... 528580;1393309739;Vexual;.m 528581;1393309741;davout;nah, i said BC's vwap, which you understood as x.eur's vwap 528582;1393309755;mircea_popescu;no difference, inasmuch as you run both. 528583;1393309760;davout;i didn't even think about using x.eur's 528584;1393309779;Vexual;.lm 528585;1393309787;Vexual;.bait 528586;1393309788;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/8c082dff11f32c3ae6859b73a4b3ea20/tumblr_mg6egfuPs31rjpxwzo1_500.jpg 528587;1393309810;Vexual;zing 528588;1393309811;davout;wouldn't it make sense if the market was larger? 528589;1393309840;davout;anyway, just wondering 528590;1393309851;mircea_popescu;it wouldn't make sense no matter how large the market is, because you arguably can still control it. 528591;1393309873;davout;at least on the x.eur side that's something that you could quantify 528592;1393309875;mircea_popescu;maybe if you were mtgox cca 2011 and had 9x% of the market you could bring the arugment that it's nonsense to empower errors by going outside 528593;1393309887;davout;yeah 528594;1393309887;mircea_popescu;but im not in the business of quantifying such. 528595;1393309912;davout;on an unrelated note the french are in favor of internet big brothering -> http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-eco/2014/02/25/97002-20140225FILWWW00021-les-francais-pour-la-surveillance-d-internet.php 528596;1393309918;davout;such wow 528597;1393309939;mircea_popescu;basically the french strike me as the sort of people who'd be in favour of a government accuplation scheme. 528598;1393309952;mircea_popescu;you submit your genital pictures, you get matched by le departement with some guy, 528599;1393309967;mircea_popescu;functionaries come and insert his thing in your thing, etc 528600;1393309984;cerelenius;mircea: care to comment on the price thnx 528601;1393309991;davout;lol, don't see me as french, i'm half dutch, half nigerian 528602;1393310013;davout;cerelenius: reddit seems to be doing a good job with that :-) 528603;1393310017;mod6;yoh dawg, we heard you like things in your thing 528604;1393310020;mircea_popescu;cerelenius notrly. 528605;1393310063;cerelenius;shrem made a total fool of himself again 528606;1393310065;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.472 BTC [-] 528607;1393310102;mircea_popescu;you know pick something and stick to it, koin3d, whatever. 528608;1393310109;mircea_popescu;this constant namechanging is derpy. 528609;1393310125;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 542 @ 0.00506068 = 2.7429 BTC [+] {6} 528610;1393310186;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 134 @ 0.00520597 = 0.6976 BTC [+] {4} 528611;1393310202;cerelenius;is the 700k stolen figure true? how does that even make sense 528612;1393310245;Vexual;vorb ^ 528613;1393310249;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2014#527970 528614;1393310263;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 528615;1393310268;Duffer1;i'd say it's likely true, the only question is the identity of the thieves 528616;1393310270;*;Vexual classified 528617;1393310296;cerelenius;well yea but they were honoring btc withdrawals 528618;1393310303;cerelenius;up until the fall 2013 528619;1393310305;Vexual;scam 101 528620;1393310308;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 154 @ 0.00526065 = 0.8101 BTC [+] {5} 528621;1393310325;cerelenius;thieves my ass karpeles is a fucking jew himself 528622;1393310332;toffoo;any guesses here on "collateral damage" of gox collapse? who will be the 3rd-party businesses/services who will now collapse because they had coins/funds tied up at gox? 528623;1393310337;cerelenius;his cabal took them 528624;1393310346;Duffer1;that's what i'm saying cere 528625;1393310348;cerelenius;how would he not notice that type of leakage for so long 528626;1393310359;Bugpowder;toffoo: good point 528627;1393310369;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00525796 = 0.3943 BTC [-] {3} 528628;1393310370;Bugpowder;counterparty exposure could be bad 528629;1393310373;cerelenius;toffoo no i dont think so 528630;1393310380;cerelenius;everyone with 2 IQ points left gox last year 528631;1393310386;Bugpowder;mircea_popescu: Did you keep any of MPEX account funds on Mt GOx? 528632;1393310389;toffoo;it's going to bite at least somebody big out there 528633;1393310395;mircea_popescu;toffoo most of the people clueless enough to have been exposed will probably be rescued by their investors now, a la second market. 528634;1393310396;cerelenius;lol bugpowder 528635;1393310405;mircea_popescu;it's likely the twinklelosses are out of the game. 528636;1393310414;Vexual;ooh 528637;1393310414;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder i never had a gox account. 528638;1393310429;mircea_popescu;it's possible this blow actually takes out the bitcoin foundation scamgroup, 528639;1393310430;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96150 @ 0.0008861 = 85.1985 BTC [+] {6} 528640;1393310430;cerelenius;mircea_popescu they held coins at gox? 528641;1393310437;mircea_popescu;but we'll have to see. 528642;1393310452;mircea_popescu;obviously i'll be trying to lock any doors for mr v that i can. race against time. 528643;1393310452;cerelenius;winklevoss had their own wallet... 528644;1393310467;Vexual;fancy 528645;1393310469;cerelenius;mr v? 528646;1393310472;Bugpowder;V is the worst 528647;1393310474;mircea_popescu;yes, some clown. 528648;1393310477;cerelenius;vessennes 528649;1393310494;cerelenius;king scumbag 528650;1393310539;cerelenius;the irony here is the exchange where nobody knows the owner ends up lasting the longest(btce) 528651;1393310561;mircea_popescu;bitstamp is actually older if memory serves. 528652;1393310586;Vexual;is btce dead? 528653;1393310596;cerelenius;bitstamp is a pita to withdraw from 5k+ they turn it into a huge Q&A session 528654;1393310601;cerelenius;vexual no 528655;1393310613;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00539949 = 0.4968 BTC [+] {2} 528656;1393310615;davout;mircea_popescu: nah 528657;1393310629;cerelenius;mircea_popescu: why do you think the foundation gets taken down? 528658;1393310636;davout;btc-e and gox were are oldest, followed by BC 528659;1393310656;davout;then came the britcoin/intersango crowd 528660;1393310658;mircea_popescu;ic. 528661;1393310669;cerelenius;btce is russian run they are more clever 528662;1393310685;greenspan_fan;It would be interesting to know how many of the dev team had money on gox 528663;1393310685;mircea_popescu;yes, it is often the case entire groups of millions of people are more clever. 528664;1393310686;cerelenius;karpeles fat jew no wonder shrem vouched for him 528665;1393310708;davout;cerelenius: is there something wrong with being jewish? 528666;1393310710;greenspan_fan;if those people are toast, development might slow down 528667;1393310734;cerelenius;davout: jews have a tendency for causing chaos, it goes back to choosing barabas in the new testament.. 528668;1393310735;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.47142857 = 3.3 BTC [-] {2} 528669;1393310736;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 245 @ 0.00525243 = 1.2868 BTC [-] {3} 528670;1393310737;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.11064975 = 3.3195 BTC [-] {7} 528671;1393310738;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan considering what counts for development these days that should increase the btc price. 528672;1393310747;cerelenius;davout: not going to get into that with you 528673;1393310763;davout;cerelenius you're not getting to 528674;1393310776;davout;into anything anyway, don't even know who the fuck you are 528675;1393310792;cerelenius;well ill give credit to mircea for calling it before anyone else 528676;1393310792;mircea_popescu;he's this angry canadian fellow. 528677;1393310794;cerelenius;publicly 528678;1393310820;mircea_popescu;why are you so angry anyway. 528679;1393310830;cerelenius;fk off 528680;1393310846;greenspan_fan;I think he's just trying to be cool, because racism is controversial 528681;1393310865;jurov;http://imgur.com/esDRP98 for greenspan_fan 528682;1393310866;ozbot;As a white male, thank you for making me feel awkward ESPN.. - Imgur 528683;1393310876;cerelenius;i never said anything racist 528684;1393310876;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan racism is controversial, but re niggers not re jews. 528685;1393310901;mod6;speaking of dev, i thought the most recent list of defects was pretty spot on. account naming issues, et. al. 528686;1393310914;cerelenius;mircea_popescu: can you comment on the foundation collapsing? 528687;1393310935;mircea_popescu;mod6 barely scratches the surface, really. 528688;1393310939;mircea_popescu;we need a motherfuckingspec. 528689;1393310948;greenspan_fan;jesus, are you writing an article for your local freeman-on-the-land tabloid? 528690;1393310957;mircea_popescu;jurov what i don't understand is... why are all those black guys dressed like if they were white ? 528691;1393310964;cerelenius;lol greenspan 528692;1393310978;mod6;it was nice addendum to the first list you made tho. but yeah. 528693;1393310979;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0051 = 0.51 BTC [-] {3} 528694;1393310992;davout;mircea_popescu: no, because specification is hard, also leads to alternate implementations, which leads to bugs 528695;1393310999;mircea_popescu;white/blue shirts with lines, and the dots on white on the guy on left ? it's fucking outrageously unflattering. 528696;1393311007;B007;mircea_popescu: america makes them think they are 528697;1393311011;mircea_popescu;davout o yes i see, alternative implementations leads to bugs. 528698;1393311015;mircea_popescu;this is so true. 528699;1393311015;davout;yup 528700;1393311019;mircea_popescu;why are we even in bitcoin 528701;1393311021;davout;hearn said it 528702;1393311026;davout;must be true 528703;1393311027;mircea_popescu;davout yes but hearn is an idiot. 528704;1393311040;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 557 @ 0.00539949 = 3.0075 BTC [+] {7} 528705;1393311044;davout;no, he works for guggle 528706;1393311046;mircea_popescu;fun fact : llvm lead to very many gcc bugs 528707;1393311049;mircea_popescu;being finally fixed. 528708;1393311050;dexX7;awww http://s.imgur.com/images/OverCapacity_700.png 528709;1393311093;davout;mircea_popescu: oh and "bitcoin relies on bugs in openssl" 528710;1393311100;davout;\o/ 528711;1393311102;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00539948 = 0.3456 BTC [-] {2} 528712;1393311103;mircea_popescu;lmao 528713;1393311115;davout;i'm not even joking 528714;1393311118;mircea_popescu;no i know 528715;1393311120;mircea_popescu;it's still funny. 528716;1393311141;Vexual;kakobrekla, how much do i owe on the dukebox? 528717;1393311143;cerelenius;mircea_popescu: will gavin be affected ? 528718;1393311171;greenspan_fan;and what about the jews?!?!?!?!?!?!? 528719;1393311182;mircea_popescu;the jews will be affected. 528720;1393311186;davout;gavin is probably jewish 528721;1393311202;mircea_popescu;i think his wife is jewish 528722;1393311203;davout;mircea_popescu: wrong, the smart jews don't have anything left in gox since 2011 528723;1393311213;mircea_popescu;davout there are smart jews ? 528724;1393311225;davout;mircea_popescu: are there? 528725;1393311226;greenspan_fan;oh my god, you guys. 528726;1393311228;mircea_popescu;o wait i think i must have mixed up my stereotype cards 528727;1393311229;mircea_popescu;nevermind. 528728;1393311238;davout;go trade them on gox 528729;1393311241;davout;o wait 528730;1393311241;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 528731;1393311242;greenspan_fan;hahaha 528732;1393311244;Vexual;zing 528733;1393311249;mod6;haha 528734;1393311256;mircea_popescu;so basically -assets is like old time tv 528735;1393311262;cerelenius;satoshi was probably jewish, from the economic theory around btc at least 528736;1393311263;mircea_popescu;there's like comedy hour, finance hour, porn hour 528737;1393311266;mircea_popescu;we got it all! 528738;1393311284;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 202 @ 0.00520098 = 1.0506 BTC [-] {3} 528739;1393311285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00088221 = 14.777 BTC [-] 528740;1393311287;B007;where is the business? 528741;1393311293;mircea_popescu;in the pudding. 528742;1393311294;Vexual;its all business 528743;1393311318;assbot;Last 20 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1656532/plain/) 528744;1393311318;jurov;!b 20 528745;1393311325;cerelenius;bitcoin is 100% jewish monetary theory, hoard coins and watch them swell in value while adding zero value 528746;1393311336;jurov;kakobrekla, dwanna some help with bashing? 528747;1393311345;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.11996649 = 2.0394 BTC [+] {5} 528748;1393311352;greenspan_fan;all monetary is jewish monetary theory 528749;1393311363;cerelenius;unfortunately in 2013 capitalism yes 528750;1393311379;greenspan_fan;and I have some bad news about physics, too 528751;1393311392;davout;cerelenius: actually bitcoin is jewish in the sense that you're not invited 528752;1393311407;cerelenius;well economics is a pseudo physics, adam smith essentially seperated it from moral philosophy 528753;1393311408;kakobrekla;jurov you wanna admin the thing? 528754;1393311417;jurov;sometimes yes 528755;1393311430;kakobrekla;k 528756;1393311438;Vexual;he does have a good sense of humour 528757;1393311452;B007;have you guys read Atlas Shrugged? 528758;1393311469;antephialtic;yes (unfortunately) 528759;1393311472;cerelenius;ayn rand propaganda 528760;1393311477;Bugpowder;Jesus christ 528761;1393311481;greenspan_fan;jesus. of course. it makes my top 20 most tedious list. 528762;1393311485;cerelenius;hi bugpowder 528763;1393311501;Apocalyptic;Bugpowder, you got results from your analysis yet ? 528764;1393311509;Bugpowder;No I am too busy doing recordings 528765;1393311514;antephialtic;if you're going to read a rand book, read anthem, its much shorter and gets all her ideas across without 1200 pages of terrible dialogue 528766;1393311516;Bugpowder;I got some nice cells tho 528767;1393311535;Bugpowder;Also I'm too tired to figure out how to recurse this nicely. 528768;1393311537;cerelenius;greenspan_fan: modern economics is all about having something swell in value(deflation) via usury. bitcoin is no exception pal 528769;1393311544;antephialtic;if you really must read a long one, read the fountainhead, its a lot better than atlas shrugged. 528770;1393311574;Bugpowder;Or watch the movie 528771;1393311592;greenspan_fan;cerelenius usury is what deadbeats call it when they can't meet the interest payments (because they're deadbeats), let alone the principal 528772;1393311603;mod6;fountainhead was ok. i think 'we the living' was better if you must. 528773;1393311607;cerelenius;because its impossible to meet it? 528774;1393311617;cerelenius;21mil btc @ 1% is impossible. 528775;1393311635;greenspan_fan;then don't invest in bitcoin. You'll get better returns with your trailer park meth lab. 528776;1393311641;cerelenius;i meant lending them 528777;1393311653;mircea_popescu;<greenspan_fan> all monetary is jewish monetary theory << actually it's gypstalian 528778;1393311657;mircea_popescu;jews did relatively little. 528779;1393311665;cerelenius;lol bitcoin is not an investment pal, its a speculation. bitcoins are sterile 528780;1393311670;mircea_popescu;physics tho, yea, as jewish as communism. 528781;1393311681;cerelenius;mircea_popescu: you talking about florence 528782;1393311691;greenspan_fan;cerelenius okkk, walter white-power 528783;1393311698;cerelenius;get your terms right. 528784;1393311711;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.47010074 = 18.804 BTC [-] {6} 528785;1393311718;cerelenius;when you "buy" a bitcoin its zero sum, someone else now has what you exchanged for it 528786;1393311728;cerelenius;you arent adding capital to any project 528787;1393311738;greenspan_fan;what is buying anything, then? 528788;1393311752;davout;mircea_popescu: you forgot to mention the derp hour apparently 528789;1393311756;cerelenius;investing is when you combine capital with labor, ideas etc to create new value 528790;1393311760;Vexual;floating a theory is free dickhead 528791;1393311764;cerelenius;anything else is mere speculation 528792;1393311765;mircea_popescu;davout derp hour is like pie hour. 528793;1393311773;mircea_popescu;every time is a good time for pie. 528794;1393311777;davout;hahaha 528795;1393311804;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'll bbl. 528796;1393311815;cerelenius;bitcoin economy you will always have everyone impoverished except about 0.001% of holders 528797;1393311825;cerelenius;the same thing under 100% gold standard 528798;1393311832;mircea_popescu;cerelenius that's fine, brains distribute about the same way. 528799;1393311838;mircea_popescu;let the idiots be poor, best thing for them and everyone else. 528800;1393311855;cerelenius;it ends up backfiring on the rich though over the long term 528801;1393311887;cerelenius;thats what occured in florence as well, you had the biggest prosperity ever yet they ended up imploding since the commoner couldnt afford to run a family 528802;1393311895;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.47 = 0.94 BTC [-] 528803;1393311918;Vexual;u wanna renaissance? do it 528804;1393311936;cerelenius;renaissance was a bread and circus to cover the economic looting of that time 528805;1393311950;cerelenius;hence all the arts 528806;1393312023;greenspan_fan;so many other things happened at the time 528807;1393312034;cerelenius;in bitcoin large holders have to do nothing, becuase as the armies of fanatics spread the gospel and do all the work, the largest holders get all the purchasing power transfered to them 528808;1393312052;Vexual;yeah people did good shit, and other people went. whoa here have some money 528809;1393312088;cerelenius;greenspan_fan: you are clueless. renaissance was the birth of capitalism and large scale usury in the west, it ended up destroying all the participating city states 528810;1393312112;greenspan_fan;in the midst of dynastic struggle, wars, and massive religious upheaval 528811;1393312113;cerelenius;venice went from richest region in the world to flat broke 528812;1393312120;greenspan_fan;but clearly it was the usurious jews 528813;1393312122;cerelenius;no it was usury. 528814;1393312125;greenspan_fan;hahaha 528815;1393312128;cerelenius;not just them 528816;1393312138;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00539949 = 0.1512 BTC [+] {2} 528817;1393312140;cerelenius;everyone was engaged in it essentially 528818;1393312173;cerelenius;fugger were the most famous 528819;1393312185;greenspan_fan;and yet, I am not convinced that charging interest is bad. If you want me to loan you something, then you should compensate for my not having it while you use it. 528820;1393312189;cerelenius;the problem with usury is your economy never grows fast enough to keep up with the debt + interest 528821;1393312205;cerelenius;greenspan_fan: well yea there is legit compensation and then there is usury. 528822;1393312222;greenspan_fan;so okay, by definition, then, usury is bad 528823;1393312255;cerelenius;in bitcoin you will never be able to have a functioning credit market 528824;1393312278;cerelenius;you could run a bills of exchange system if they ever figure out how to make it decentralized 528825;1393312304;Apocalyptic;<cerelenius> in bitcoin you will never be able to have a functioning credit market // as said above, it's not that bad 528826;1393312319;Apocalyptic;businesses will find finances it they are worthy of it 528827;1393312329;cerelenius;you need a self liquidating credit system 528828;1393312336;cerelenius;without credit impossible to allocate any capital 528829;1393312369;Apocalyptic;here's where you're mistaken 528830;1393312382;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 210 @ 0.00534999 = 1.1235 BTC [-] {3} 528831;1393312407;cerelenius;apocalyptic: im not mistaken, most people have zero idea what money is and who can issue it. 528832;1393312429;cerelenius;bitcoins grand accomplishment is the blockchain 528833;1393312433;Apocalyptic;how does that contradict the fact you are ? 528834;1393312467;cerelenius;apocalyptic: bitcoin as a currency resembles a sophisticated wealth transfer scheme, those who have more of it benefit from the work of everyone else 528835;1393312477;mjr_;so... 528836;1393312478;cerelenius;as their coins swell in value 528837;1393312487;greenspan_fan;asymptopically, though, it evens out 528838;1393312497;cerelenius;no it doesnt lol how? 528839;1393312559;cerelenius;an early adopter or large coin holder just has to sit and do nothing, as everyone else "adds to the ecosystem" their coins swell in value with next to no risk, and they didnt even have to hire labor lol 528840;1393312565;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00522283 = 3.1337 BTC [-] {4} 528841;1393312566;greenspan_fan;if bitcoin or its like ends up becoming the main currency, or at least a sufficiently important one 528842;1393312574;cerelenius;it never will 528843;1393312583;mjr_;well...that all depends, you are describing the "free rider" problem 528844;1393312587;mjr_;which is not new 528845;1393312597;cerelenius;mjr_: all deflationary systems work like that 528846;1393312601;mjr_;some people get to (shocking) drive on roads they never paid for 528847;1393312610;greenspan_fan;so the alternative is fiat with the jews or btc with the cyber-jews 528848;1393312621;mjr_;nah, think about it this way 528849;1393312631;cerelenius;mjr_: money can be anything that extinguishes debt. and since only producers can pay off debt, they are the only ones who can issue money 528850;1393312638;mjr_;wrong 528851;1393312639;mjr_;IMO 528852;1393312646;mjr_;since you can have assets without debt 528853;1393312646;cerelenius;bitcoin can only work with a functioning bills of exchange market 528854;1393312652;mjr_;and you can trade those assets for others 528855;1393312656;mjr_;without any debt being involved 528856;1393312663;cerelenius;your confused 528857;1393312672;greenspan_fan;your line of reasoning is based off of axioms that other people don't agree with 528858;1393312679;cerelenius;say im a farmer and i need capital to grow my crop 528859;1393312683;greenspan_fan;so this is pointless 528860;1393312685;cerelenius;which i cant sell for 6months 528861;1393312688;mjr_;lets pretend we were little kids 528862;1393312691;mjr_;and i had a pb and j 528863;1393312693;Vexual;youre a shit farmwer 528864;1393312695;cerelenius;if you lend me btc at interest, the crop price will go down 528865;1393312696;mjr_;and you had a cheese sandwich 528866;1393312709;mjr_;we can trade with no debts 528867;1393312712;mjr_;that is the basis of money 528868;1393312719;cerelenius;debt is the basis of money 528869;1393312723;cerelenius;money is a contract it always was 528870;1393312723;mjr_;what if we had an "abstract base sandwich", no it is not 528871;1393312726;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uYs0gJD-LE 528872;1393312726;ozbot;M.I.A. - "Bad Girls" (Official Video) - YouTube 528873;1393312727;mjr_;it isn't 528874;1393312729;davout;cerelenius: you're working on the assumption that money is debt, come back next year 528875;1393312733;mjr_;we can agree to disagree 528876;1393312735;mjr_;but traditionally 528877;1393312736;cerelenius;money is a contract 528878;1393312741;cerelenius;thats all it is 528879;1393312744;mjr_;it is a token 528880;1393312746;davout;cerelenius: money is no such thing 528881;1393312746;mjr_;there is a difference 528882;1393312747;cerelenius;no it isnt lol 528883;1393312761;davout;cerelenius: well, enjoy your contracts, i'll enjoy my money 528884;1393312770;mjr_;you are mixing up "backed by" with "tradeable for" 528885;1393312778;cerelenius;no im not 528886;1393312786;cerelenius;tokens havent been used since tribal days 528887;1393312787;mjr_;in the first case, you have an entity willing to always exchange at a fixed ratio 528888;1393312788;davout;a contract is debt 528889;1393312793;cerelenius;yes 528890;1393312794;mjr_;dollars a token 528891;1393312800;cerelenius;dollars are not a token lol 528892;1393312807;cerelenius;they are a credit instrument 528893;1393312811;mjr_;no they are not 528894;1393312819;mjr_;i have dollars 528895;1393312819;davout;cerelenius: bitcoin is a commodity, money, not a contract 528896;1393312822;cerelenius;every single dollar issued must be backed by collateral 528897;1393312822;greenspan_fan;let's pretend we're talking about something that doesn't involve contracts 528898;1393312822;mjr_;what does someone owe me? 528899;1393312826;mjr_;tell me 528900;1393312836;greenspan_fan;say, sandwich-coin 528901;1393312837;mjr_;where can i redeem this debt instrument? 528902;1393312838;cerelenius;mjr: those dollars are fed reserve liabilities backed by fed reserve assets 528903;1393312843;mjr_;no they are not 528904;1393312851;cerelenius;mjr: you cant redeem it, its like a self liquidating tbill 528905;1393312851;davout;cerelenius: bwahahaha 528906;1393312854;mjr_;the fed has others dollars 528907;1393312858;cerelenius;no they dont 528908;1393312864;mjr_;oh, so it represents a debt that won't be paid to me 528909;1393312866;mjr_;cool system 528910;1393312869;cerelenius;yes. 528911;1393312870;mjr_;it doesn't work that way 528912;1393312877;cerelenius;hence why it requires perpetual debt creation 528913;1393312882;greenspan_fan;to a first approximation, dollars are a token 528914;1393312886;cerelenius;mjr: of course it does pull up the fed balance sheet 528915;1393312890;mjr_;no...you really don't understand... 528916;1393312899;cerelenius;every single paper USD in existence is backed by assets the fed holds 528917;1393312903;mjr_;a debt means that i am OWED something 528918;1393312904;cerelenius;namely US government bonds 528919;1393312908;mjr_;in other words i can REDEEM it 528920;1393312914;cerelenius;all electronic dollars are created by commercial banks 528921;1393312915;mjr_;you cannot redeem a dollar 528922;1393312916;Vexual;heres a lesson in semantics 528923;1393312920;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcuAw77J8_Y 528924;1393312921;ozbot;Busta Rhymes - Arab Money - YouTube 528925;1393312923;cerelenius;backed by collateral 528926;1393312931;mjr_;what is their collateral? 528927;1393312940;cerelenius;for fed or commercial banks? 528928;1393312942;Vexual;what u got? 528929;1393312948;mjr_;that is like saying "a mortgage is backed by a house, but you cannot ever take the house' 528930;1393312958;mjr_;then it isn't backed by the house... 528931;1393312961;cerelenius;the fed collateral is US gov bonds 528932;1393312966;mjr_;which are denominated in... 528933;1393312968;mjr_;oh rightr 528934;1393312969;mjr_;dollars 528935;1393312974;cerelenius;commercial bank collateral is anything lent against 528936;1393312977;mjr_;so i have a debt that means you have to pay me other dollars 528937;1393312979;jurov;bash flushed 528938;1393312987;mjr_;that is silly 528939;1393312990;cerelenius;mjr: yea i agree its not redeemable, its like a 0day tbill 528940;1393312998;mjr_;then its not a debt 528941;1393313001;mjr_;it is a token 528942;1393313002;cerelenius;mjr: thats the system they created since they got off gold redeemability 528943;1393313007;cerelenius;no it isnt 528944;1393313021;mjr_;first off, that is my point, "notes" represent assets on account 528945;1393313023;mjr_;traditionally 528946;1393313030;cerelenius;its impossible to repay debts under the current system because the dollar itself comes into existence through borrowing 528947;1393313038;mjr_;whatever we have done in the last 40 years doesn't fundamentally change the meaning of the word money 528948;1393313047;davout;cerelenius: by definition fiat money is a token that is assigned value because of a law, not because it represents a claim to anything 528949;1393313057;mjr_;nice, i'm glad you read "debt: the first 5000 years" but that is not actually the case 528950;1393313058;cerelenius;fiat money and credit money are 2 different things 528951;1393313063;mjr_;yes 528952;1393313067;cerelenius;we arent in zimbabwe 528953;1393313071;cerelenius;that is 100% fiat 528954;1393313079;davout;cerelenius: so what's your point exactly? 528955;1393313081;cerelenius;we have a credit money system 528956;1393313081;mjr_;simple easy lesson 528957;1393313092;mjr_;if you cannot trade it in for a fixed amount of something else...there is no difference to you 528958;1393313097;cerelenius;dabout: my point is bitcoin cannot function on a large scale without a bills of exchange system 528959;1393313101;mjr_;it is a token 528960;1393313107;davout;cerelenius: you mean paper bitcoins? 528961;1393313108;mjr_;which we use to exchange value 528962;1393313111;cerelenius;mjr: a token is not a liability of someone 528963;1393313114;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1279 @ 0.00051978 = 0.6648 BTC [+] {5} 528964;1393313118;mjr_;and a dollar is not a liability of anyone 528965;1393313124;cerelenius;yes it is 528966;1393313128;mjr_;unless you are using that word in a completely differnt way than i think 528967;1393313136;mjr_;in which case i would like to borrow as much as i can from you 528968;1393313144;mjr_;liability is something which is owed 528969;1393313145;davout;by liability he means garden chair, oh wait it makes sense now 528970;1393313147;mjr_;the fed owes us nothing 528971;1393313157;mjr_;you cannot redeem a dollar for anything 528972;1393313160;mjr_;it cannot be a debt 528973;1393313175;mjr_;since the fundamental core concept of a debt is that it can be "redeemed" 528974;1393313177;cerelenius;go and look at the fed balance sheet 528975;1393313182;cerelenius;every single dollar is a liability 528976;1393313188;cerelenius;backed by equal assets 528977;1393313198;mjr_;and... 528978;1393313198;cerelenius;thats what gives them value 528979;1393313198;davout;"assets" 528980;1393313204;mjr_;that is what you would call "accounting" 528981;1393313205;cerelenius;think about this 528982;1393313208;Vexual;you aint the fed bro 528983;1393313213;cerelenius;total debt + interest 528984;1393313215;mjr_;davout: exactly "assets" 528985;1393313217;cerelenius;always exceeds available dollars 528986;1393313220;mjr_;ugh 528987;1393313223;cerelenius;thats why there is always a BID for dollars 528988;1393313228;cerelenius;someone constantly needs them to repay a debt 528989;1393313235;mjr_;yes i know all this, and it doesn't change the fundamental everyday reality 528990;1393313241;mjr_;not if you don't owe anything 528991;1393313242;cerelenius;you are clueless 528992;1393313249;mjr_;what if no one owed anybody anything? 528993;1393313252;cerelenius;paper dollars are liability of the fed 528994;1393313260;mjr_;i am trying to talk about the BASIC definitions 528995;1393313260;cerelenius;mjr then there would be no money 528996;1393313261;davout;mjr_: leave britney alone man 528997;1393313266;mjr_;since you don't seemm to understand 528998;1393313271;MisterE;are we at the bottom yet? 528999;1393313271;cerelenius;if there was no debt there would be no dollars in this system 529000;1393313276;mjr_;yes there would be 529001;1393313280;cerelenius;no there wouldnt be. 529002;1393313286;davout;mjr_: it all makes sense in his system because the juice run the fed or w/e 529003;1393313287;mjr_;are you saying it is physically impossible to print a dollar bill without the fed? 529004;1393313294;MisterE;why is this happenening, CEP resigning from BTC.org? 529005;1393313297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.00088225 = 15.4835 BTC [+] 529006;1393313298;MisterE;CEO* 529007;1393313299;mjr_;just so you know 529008;1393313299;cerelenius;mjr: every single dollar printed MUST be backed by an asset. 529009;1393313310;mjr_;the treasury actually creates the dollars, at least m0 529010;1393313312;cerelenius;they do not print unbacked 529011;1393313315;mjr_;lol 529012;1393313317;mjr_;whatever you say bud 529013;1393313320;MisterE;lololol 529014;1393313321;davout;"assets" 529015;1393313323;mjr_;yes[ 529016;1393313325;Vexual;yeah and gox has coins, tell us something good 529017;1393313325;cerelenius;the treasury runs the printing press at the behest of the fed 529018;1393313327;mjr_;fully backed of course 529019;1393313328;MisterE;what planet do you come from? 529020;1393313338;MisterE;they print $ by adding zeros to a number on a computer 529021;1393313341;mjr_;this is why you are silly 529022;1393313343;davout;#bitcoin-derp apparently 529023;1393313349;MisterE;lol 529024;1393313355;mjr_;to say that the fed has "assets" backing their dollars 529025;1393313358;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.00520959 = 0.5157 BTC [-] {2} 529026;1393313359;Vexual;graph it cerelenius 529027;1393313367;MisterE;yea it's called a stack of IOUs davout 529028;1393313370;mjr_;you are mixing up accounting terminology with real life 529029;1393313372;cerelenius;graph what its on the fed website 529030;1393313374;mjr_;that is the key 529031;1393313381;cerelenius;mjr you are clueless pal 529032;1393313383;mjr_;a debt is a "receivable" which is an asset 529033;1393313386;MisterE;and tell us why they no longer publish M3? 529034;1393313392;MisterE;just research M3 529035;1393313404;mjr_;or rather...i should say that in our accounting system, a receivable is listed as an asset 529036;1393313418;MisterE;^ which is a mistake 529037;1393313421;mjr_;in the human made scheme that conforms to GAAP 529038;1393313423;cerelenius;US federal reserve notes are liabilities 529039;1393313424;MisterE;imho 529040;1393313426;mjr_;no they are not 529041;1393313427;cerelenius;for the federal reserve 529042;1393313429;cerelenius;yes they are 529043;1393313432;mjr_;no... 529044;1393313435;mjr_;watch this 529045;1393313438;cerelenius;https://lh3.ggpht.com/-XwC13k12gNI/ThuQGGC8d8I/AAAAAAAAGFU/oqFXVt8wTyY/s1600/Federal+Reserve+Assets+and+Capital.png 529046;1393313438;mjr_;i give you $5 529047;1393313448;cerelenius;where did the 5 come from? 529048;1393313452;mjr_;i put in a book, " cerelenius owes me $5" 529049;1393313455;cerelenius;it has to be borrowed into existence 529050;1393313458;mjr_;that entry in the book is an asset 529051;1393313464;mjr_;no it doesn't 529052;1393313471;Vexual;months or drug abuse before personality disorder appeared? 529053;1393313472;mjr_;there is no rule anywhere that says it does 529054;1393313476;mjr_;for example 529055;1393313479;mjr_;susan b anthonys 529056;1393313481;mjr_;are dollars 529057;1393313482;cerelenius;http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/bernanke20091008slide6.gif 529058;1393313484;cerelenius;dude shut up 529059;1393313485;mjr_;and are not made by the fed 529060;1393313487;cerelenius;its on the fed site 529061;1393313493;cerelenius;all US FRN are fed reserve liabilities 529062;1393313494;mjr_;explain coins 529063;1393313497;mjr_;not coins 529064;1393313500;mjr_;they don't issue them 529065;1393313504;mjr_;so... 529066;1393313509;mjr_;what "debt" backs those? 529067;1393313513;cerelenius;i told you 529068;1393313515;cerelenius;US gov bonds 529069;1393313527;mjr_;i think that you are missing the forest for the trees 529070;1393313529;cerelenius;everytime new FRNs are to be printed, there has to be a posted asset 529071;1393313534;mjr_;sure its fun to talk about retarded shit like this 529072;1393313539;cerelenius;i think you are oblivious 529073;1393313541;mjr_;but in the real world, in your real life 529074;1393313543;MisterE;dudes we're debt backing debt insured by debt 529075;1393313544;mjr_;you don't redeem them 529076;1393313549;mjr_;you trade them 529077;1393313552;mjr_;as tokens 529078;1393313558;Apocalyptic;<MisterE> dudes we're debt backing debt insured by debt // genius... 529079;1393313562;cerelenius;http://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/bst_fedsbalancesheet.htm 529080;1393313566;cerelenius;go educate yourself 529081;1393313570;mjr_;i don't care what they write on paper 529082;1393313572;mjr_;are you silly? 529083;1393313574;MisterE;thanks Apocalyptic :) 529084;1393313584;mjr_;oh, the fed says that they should print more money 529085;1393313585;cerelenius;every single dollar in existence must be lent into existence 529086;1393313587;mjr_;well its true the fed said it 529087;1393313590;mjr_;no 529088;1393313592;MisterE;now tell me where the bottom is :) 529089;1393313593;mjr_;that is def not true 529090;1393313596;cerelenius;the fed doesnt print money they lend it 529091;1393313601;cerelenius;you need a borrower on the other end 529092;1393313603;mjr_;yes 529093;1393313608;mjr_;but they don't create it 529094;1393313609;Apocalyptic;MisterE, why would I do that exactly ? 529095;1393313610;cerelenius;the private sector stopped borrowing in 2007 529096;1393313612;mjr_;the treasury does 529097;1393313618;cerelenius;so the government took up the slack 529098;1393313631;MisterE;so I can get all the BTC for myself! 529099;1393313642;cerelenius;the fed flooded the system with credit but there were no takers for it, hence the huge reserve balances banks now hold 529100;1393313643;Apocalyptic;see, that's a problem 529101;1393313645;MisterE;because you have a lot already Apocalyptic ? 529102;1393313647;cerelenius;the only taker has been the government 529103;1393313647;Apocalyptic;I want some too 529104;1393313656;MisterE;hehe, let's conspire 529105;1393313664;cerelenius;private sector is borrowing for stuff like student loans etc 529106;1393313665;cerelenius;nothing else 529107;1393313688;Vexual;what? 529108;1393313693;Vexual;you're bent 529109;1393313693;MisterE;poor cerelenius and the rest of the sheep who still have faitin in the financial house of cards 529110;1393313698;cerelenius;hyperinflation under such a system is next to impossible, you can have hyperdeflation instead 529111;1393313712;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1656677/plain/) 529112;1393313712;davout;!b 1 529113;1393313712;cerelenius;mistere: before the USD collapses youll have hyperdeflation 529114;1393313722;cerelenius;like we saw in 08 529115;1393313724;MisterE;cerelenius: either way it won't bother me 529116;1393313730;MisterE;I'm in commodities 529117;1393313736;cerelenius;LOL those will collapse 529118;1393313745;MisterE;no thats shit people actually need 529119;1393313746;MisterE;to use 529120;1393313746;cerelenius;commodities collapsed 80% in 2008 529121;1393313758;MisterE;2008 was an aberration 529122;1393313760;cerelenius;under credit collapse ie deflation, demand collapses 529123;1393313773;MisterE;and if it crashes that hard we're all fucked so it's AK-47 time 529124;1393313773;cerelenius;2008 was a shot across the bow, a warning of the future 529125;1393313779;cerelenius;and it was not an inflationary collapse 529126;1393313792;MisterE;I agree 2008 was a warning 529127;1393313793;mjr_;just so you know 529128;1393313801;MisterE;and we're trying to spend our way out of it 529129;1393313801;mjr_;the treasury doesn't just give the money to the fed 529130;1393313805;mjr_;the fed pays for it 529131;1393313809;MisterE;^ 529132;1393313817;mjr_;which...how can they pay for something which they created? 529133;1393313820;cerelenius;the fed doesnt order much federal reserve notes 529134;1393313829;cerelenius;theres very little federal reserve notes 529135;1393313837;mjr_;you said "every dollar is a debt, it can only be created through debt" 529136;1393313840;cerelenius;its all bank credit 529137;1393313841;mjr_;thats nice 529138;1393313847;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.06089999 = 0.609 BTC [+] 529139;1393313848;cerelenius;yes theres 2 ways to create dollars 529140;1393313849;mjr_;you said dollars couldn't exist without debt 529141;1393313851;cerelenius;commercial banks 529142;1393313853;mjr_;i just proved you wrong 529143;1393313853;cerelenius;and fed 529144;1393313855;mjr_;so... 529145;1393313857;cerelenius;BOTH do it via lending 529146;1393313860;mjr_;nope 529147;1393313861;cerelenius;mjr lol no you didnt 529148;1393313862;mjr_;fed buys 529149;1393313868;mjr_;not creates by lending 529150;1393313868;MisterE;where you think the money for QE is coming from? 529151;1393313878;cerelenius;when the federal reserve orders dollars in physical format 529152;1393313882;mjr_;they pay for them 529153;1393313885;MisterE;they dont 529154;1393313886;cerelenius;they require an asset posted to them 529155;1393313888;mjr_;they def do 529156;1393313892;MisterE;nobody uses physical at that level 529157;1393313894;cerelenius;they do not print blindly lol 529158;1393313900;cerelenius;misterE yes exactly 529159;1393313900;mjr_;they pay all costs to manufacture or mint 529160;1393313901;MisterE;the discount window is all 0s and 1s 529161;1393313903;cerelenius;its all bank credit 529162;1393313907;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.061 = 0.122 BTC [+] 529163;1393313908;mjr_;thats nice 529164;1393313913;mjr_;but there are dollars not created via debt 529165;1393313914;mjr_;basically 529166;1393313915;cerelenius;every single dollar in existence is backed by debt 529167;1393313917;mjr_;which was my point 529168;1393313921;mjr_;no its not 529169;1393313926;mjr_;a printed dollar 529170;1393313928;cerelenius;mjr the physical dollars are backed by fed assets(debt) 529171;1393313928;mjr_;bought by the fed 529172;1393313930;mjr_;is not a debt 529173;1393313937;mjr_;no...it is not 529174;1393313941;cerelenius;they only buy printed dollars when a bank rqurests them 529175;1393313946;cerelenius;and they have to post an asset to back it 529176;1393313959;cerelenius;like if you want 100bil of printed dollars you have to post 100bil of tier 1 capital assets to the fed 529177;1393313962;cerelenius;THEN they make the order 529178;1393313965;cerelenius;its always zero sum 529179;1393313966;mjr_;ok 529180;1393313967;mjr_;sure 529181;1393313968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00088221 = 20.1585 BTC [-] 529182;1393313969;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00539863 = 0.5399 BTC [+] {4} 529183;1393313982;MisterE;are you saying the sum total of assets denominated in USD is less than the sum total of USD denominated debt? 529184;1393313982;mjr_;so you are saying that we have a fully backed currency 529185;1393313985;cerelenius;mjr i already told you look at the fed balance sheet its painfully obvious 529186;1393313989;cerelenius;mjr: yes by debt. 529187;1393313990;mjr_;i don't care 529188;1393313995;mjr_;go look at gox's balance sheet 529189;1393314000;cerelenius;misterE: yes. 529190;1393314004;mjr_;it is a piece of paper made by people 529191;1393314008;mjr_;not like handed down by moses 529192;1393314011;mjr_;you do know that right 529193;1393314012;MisterE;it's all about trust 529194;1393314014;cerelenius;misterE: total debt+ interest always exceeds available dollars 529195;1393314019;MisterE;nothing matters but trust 529196;1393314021;mjr_;yes obviously 529197;1393314021;cerelenius;thats why the fed needs QE 529198;1393314025;mjr_;this is all obvious 529199;1393314029;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.0053995 = 0.459 BTC [+] 529200;1393314031;mjr_;but all irrelevant 529201;1393314035;mjr_;boviously 529202;1393314038;cerelenius;new dollars must constantly be created to pay off old debts 529203;1393314045;mjr_;i told you that if i gave you $5, your debt is my asset 529204;1393314047;Vexual;this is like nubbins music 529205;1393314047;cerelenius;because we dont have money in the traditional sense 529206;1393314049;mjr_;no they don't 529207;1393314053;mjr_;that is not true 529208;1393314057;cerelenius;yes it is. 529209;1393314057;mjr_;and obviously not true 529210;1393314059;mjr_;ok 529211;1393314066;mjr_;here is the most trivial example 529212;1393314071;mjr_;there is 100 dollars total 529213;1393314073;MisterE;sorry but he's starting to make sense 529214;1393314073;mjr_;i lend it to you 529215;1393314073;cerelenius;http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/TCMDO 529216;1393314074;ozbot;All Sectors; Credit Market Instruments; Liability, Level (TCMDO) - FRED - St. Louis Fed 529217;1393314078;cerelenius;look 529218;1393314083;mjr_;you work for 100 a hour 529219;1393314085;cerelenius;this has to go up FOREVER 529220;1393314088;cerelenius;or else the system implodes 529221;1393314089;mjr_;after one hour your debt is paid 529222;1393314093;cerelenius;see how it dipped in 2008? 529223;1393314094;MisterE;we're not even talking about personal liabilities yet 529224;1393314096;mjr_;sorry just not true 529225;1393314110;MisterE;most people are mortgaged to 10x their 10 year net worth 529226;1393314110;mjr_;if you had to pay the debt NOW then it would be impossible without creating more 529227;1393314114;cerelenius;look at that 08 dip and it nearly blew out the entire system 529228;1393314117;mjr_;but debts have the interesting factor of time 529229;1393314120;Vexual;cerelenius, you're a two toned fuckstick 529230;1393314121;mjr_;meaining velocity of money 529231;1393314126;mjr_;can handle interest 529232;1393314139;cerelenius;MisterE: i hope im making sense to you because mjr is on a different planet. 529233;1393314144;mjr_;in other words, 100 can circulate to pay 100,000 worth of needs 529234;1393314154;mjr_;lol 529235;1393314156;mjr_;this is so basic 529236;1393314162;MisterE;you both are on differerent planets lol 529237;1393314164;mjr_;i don't even understand your point 529238;1393314170;mjr_;sure, money is created via debt 529239;1393314170;MisterE;I'm just running back and forth in The Enterprise 529240;1393314172;mjr_;who cares 529241;1393314182;cerelenius;mjr go back to buttonwood meetings with your btc lol 529242;1393314183;mjr_;why does that matter at all 529243;1393314186;cerelenius;you are clueless 529244;1393314197;mjr_;ok...what was your point again? 529245;1393314197;Vexual;you're pointless 529246;1393314198;cerelenius;the end game is hyper deflation on a scale not scene in 500 years 529247;1393314201;mjr_;lol 529248;1393314203;mjr_;whatever 529249;1393314204;cerelenius;its not going to be hyperinflation 529250;1393314206;mjr_;sounds fun 529251;1393314210;mjr_;but i meant in our lives 529252;1393314214;mjr_;what is your point 529253;1393314223;MisterE;no matter how it ends we all lose 529254;1393314226;mjr_;you can create money using debt and NOT hyperinflate 529255;1393314234;mjr_;or you can hyperinflate 529256;1393314235;MisterE;the soviet union was far better prepared for a crash than the US is 529257;1393314239;mjr_;the creation method is irrelevant 529258;1393314244;cerelenius;when credit is first created its inflationary for the rest of its life its deflationary 529259;1393314244;MisterE;everything was already state owned 529260;1393314272;mjr_;i seriously don't see why you are talking about this, so maybe i missed your main point? 529261;1393314279;mjr_;dollars are USED as tokens 529262;1393314281;cerelenius;my point is all bitcoin will do 529263;1393314282;MisterE;mjr_: you don't think the current syetm is sustainable do you? 529264;1393314285;mjr_;in our USE of them they have nothing to do with debt 529265;1393314286;cerelenius;is make a tiny tiny % 529266;1393314292;cerelenius;sure it does mjr 529267;1393314299;mjr_;ok, i buy a sandwhich 529268;1393314300;cerelenius;someone is constantly in need of dollars to pay debt 529269;1393314302;cerelenius;its ALL debt related 529270;1393314303;mjr_;the price is set on the open market 529271;1393314305;mjr_;it isn't 529272;1393314311;mjr_;and that is where your point gets stupid 529273;1393314311;MisterE;it's justmore currency 529274;1393314312;mjr_;i think 529275;1393314316;cerelenius;thats how credit currencies have a bid 529276;1393314326;cerelenius;its not becuase the government says so lol. 529277;1393314329;Vexual;;;lasers 529278;1393314329;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 529279;1393314332;cerelenius;its becuase of debt. theres always a shortage of dollars 529280;1393314338;mjr_;again, irrelelevant point 529281;1393314342;cerelenius;debt is denominated in dollars so you need them 529282;1393314343;mjr_;there is no shortage of dollars 529283;1393314349;mjr_;if you owe someone sure 529284;1393314349;cerelenius;there always is 529285;1393314351;mjr_;i don't 529286;1393314352;cerelenius;thats why everyone is broke 529287;1393314353;MisterE;BTC is different because the community decides on value without government influence 529288;1393314354;mjr_;so i don't see why 529289;1393314361;mjr_;same as dollars 529290;1393314364;cerelenius;misterE: btc is a commodity 529291;1393314365;mjr_;if you were to sell your car 529292;1393314367;cerelenius;virtual commodity 529293;1393314369;Vexual;youre broke, you can't afford to make a graph 529294;1393314373;mjr_;how many dollars do you HAVE to accept 529295;1393314387;cerelenius;mjr: all dollars exist via debt. do you understand this concept 529296;1393314387;mjr_;none, you can pick whatever number you want 529297;1393314388;Vexual;wankhole 529298;1393314390;mjr_;yes 529299;1393314391;mjr_;so who cares 529300;1393314395;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 371 @ 0.00539919 = 2.0031 BTC [-] {5} 529301;1393314396;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+] 529302;1393314397;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.47 = 1.88 BTC [-] {3} 529303;1393314398;mjr_;that is irrelevant 529304;1393314398;mjr_;for me selling my car 529305;1393314400;cerelenius;total debt + interest surpasses all available dollars at a given time 529306;1393314404;cerelenius;meaning there is a shortage of dollars 529307;1393314405;mjr_;again who cares 529308;1393314410;mjr_;as long as i have some, who cares 529309;1393314412;cerelenius;thats why they have value 529310;1393314413;cerelenius;scarcity 529311;1393314414;mjr_;no 529312;1393314420;MisterE;eventually tha check comes due 529313;1393314423;mjr_;they have "value" because someone is willing to take them 529314;1393314425;cerelenius;yes misterE 529315;1393314429;MisterE;you can blow up bubbles in the mean time 529316;1393314433;cerelenius;perpetual debt is impossible 529317;1393314436;MisterE;like the S&Ls 529318;1393314440;MisterE;and big bangks 529319;1393314441;mjr_;look...lets say i owe 50 dollars 529320;1393314442;cerelenius;because everything in nature has a beginning and an end 529321;1393314442;Vexual;i al comes out in the wash 529322;1393314443;MisterE;even GM 529323;1393314446;cerelenius;compound interest has no end 529324;1393314450;cerelenius;compound debt* 529325;1393314452;mjr_;and you "forgive" that debt if i do you a favotr 529326;1393314465;cerelenius;mjr banks cant forgive debt lol 529327;1393314468;cerelenius;theyd be insolvent 529328;1393314469;mjr_;they can 529329;1393314471;cerelenius;no they cant 529330;1393314472;mjr_;and they do 529331;1393314474;mjr_;yes they can 529332;1393314477;MisterE;in the end we'll knock 4 or 6 zeroes off of the end and it will be business as usual :p 529333;1393314479;mjr_;do you not live in real life 529334;1393314489;MisterE;they do 529335;1393314489;cerelenius;a bank can take loses on max 1-2% of total debt 529336;1393314489;mjr_;do you not use your eyes? 529337;1393314492;MisterE;they get tax credit 529338;1393314492;mjr_;ok... 529339;1393314498;cerelenius;in the united states about 2.5% of mortgage holders defaulted 529340;1393314499;mjr_;so they CAN forgive it 529341;1393314505;cerelenius;and that caused the system to be insolvent 529342;1393314508;cerelenius;no they cant. 529343;1393314508;Vexual;4 mental patients walk into a bar 529344;1393314511;mjr_;this is all irrelevant 529345;1393314511;mjr_;who cares 529346;1393314511;MisterE;banks claim writeoffs for written down debt 529347;1393314517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00088225 = 3.132 BTC [+] 529348;1393314526;cerelenius;misterE; they can only write down a tiny % of it before they are insolvent. 529349;1393314531;mjr_;exactly 529350;1393314531;mjr_;there are accounting rules for doing exactly that 529351;1393314531;mjr_;allowance for bad accounts 529352;1393314537;Vexual;ill have the beef 529353;1393314540;cerelenius;lol yea 2008 was accounting rules 529354;1393314543;cerelenius;mjr go back to school 529355;1393314550;mjr_;what is your point 529356;1393314550;mjr_;they CAN and DO forgive debts 529357;1393314550;MisterE;right 529358;1393314552;mjr_;which is what i said 529359;1393314553;MisterE;since reserve requirements are a pittance 529360;1393314553;cerelenius;2008 bank liabilities exceeded assets 529361;1393314558;mjr_;you said they CAN'T and DON'T 529362;1393314560;cerelenius;there are no reserve requirements 529363;1393314565;cerelenius;there havent been for 30 years 529364;1393314567;mjr_;wow you are dumb 529365;1393314582;mjr_;if you were selling your car...how would this matter to you? 529366;1393314582;MisterE;yea there is 529367;1393314585;cerelenius;"reserve" means a tier 1 asset which is a US government bond 529368;1393314593;mjr_;which is payable in... 529369;1393314594;mjr_;dollars 529370;1393314596;cerelenius;misterE lol no there isnt, the fed hasnt set reserve requirements since the 80's 529371;1393314599;mjr_;so it is a big circle jerk 529372;1393314601;MisterE;currency reserves 529373;1393314603;MisterE;10% 529374;1393314607;cerelenius;mjr: yes its a form of check kiting 529375;1393314611;mjr_;nice 529376;1393314613;mjr_;i don't care 529377;1393314618;mjr_;i really really don't care 529378;1393314618;cerelenius;misterE; LOL not a single bank in the US or europe has 10% currency reserves 529379;1393314621;KRS-One;sup mjr_ 529380;1393314625;mjr_;what up KRS-One 529381;1393314629;cerelenius;they have closer to 0.5% 529382;1393314631;KRS-One;shorting this bitch =D 529383;1393314631;mjr_;hows it been 529384;1393314634;mjr_;me too 529385;1393314635;mjr_;up a bit 529386;1393314638;KRS-One;haha 529387;1393314640;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11996645 BTC [-] 529388;1393314646;cerelenius;mjr you will always be poor 529389;1393314650;mjr_;i hate people who are not pragmatic 529390;1393314650;MisterE;I think we have seen the bottom today boys 529391;1393314667;mjr_;you haven't answered how empiracally this would be any different when trying to sell a car 529392;1393314672;Vexual;cerelenius, where can i sinect in your kak? 529393;1393314673;mjr_;or buy a sandwich 529394;1393314692;mjr_;i want either A) a certain amount of bitocoin, or B) a certain number of dollars 529395;1393314695;mjr_;identical 529396;1393314696;cerelenius;the smartest guy in here is the one with the largest stage that inflates in value when all the dumbasses do work 529397;1393314699;cerelenius;mircea popescu 529398;1393314706;cerelenius;he knows the game 529399;1393314713;Vexual;yes, hes very handsome, but thats not all 529400;1393314715;mjr_;lol 529401;1393314722;cerelenius;mjr your a tool. 529402;1393314724;KRS-One;haha 529403;1393314726;cerelenius;and youll always be one 529404;1393314729;mjr_;thats nice 529405;1393314740;mjr_;you have fun with your theories 529406;1393314746;mjr_;i'll keep living in the real world 529407;1393314749;cerelenius;you think running around buttonwood trees with your iphone and 0.001btc matters 529408;1393314752;mjr_;glad i don't have to share it with you 529409;1393314764;mjr_;well...unlike gox we have never been hacked 529410;1393314769;mjr_;and i dont even know who you are 529411;1393314772;cerelenius;you need something to take first 529412;1393314774;mjr_;but i guess you know who i am 529413;1393314778;cerelenius;before you can be hacked 529414;1393314794;mjr_;i've never seen you around here before 529415;1393314795;Vexual;ill take your moms xanax 529416;1393314797;cerelenius;mjr arent you that buttonwood guy? 529417;1393314801;mjr_;and you obviously aren't smart enough to be a part of the convo 529418;1393314804;mjr_;yep 529419;1393314809;mjr_;like i said you know who i am 529420;1393314817;cerelenius;what convo lol everyone in here is clueless except 1-2 guys 529421;1393314817;mjr_;satoshi square, blah blah blah 529422;1393314828;cerelenius;mjr: i come in here once in awhile to break mirceas balls 529423;1393314829;mjr_;like i said 529424;1393314839;mjr_;you are mixing up primatry market with secondary market 529425;1393314845;mjr_;i could give two shits about how tokens are created 529426;1393314850;cerelenius;go back to school 529427;1393314851;mjr_;its what you do after that that matters 529428;1393314869;mjr_;you treat it like a "debt" and you will never be repayed 529429;1393314871;mjr_;i could care less 529430;1393314874;cerelenius;it cant be repayed 529431;1393314875;mjr_;i treat it like a token 529432;1393314879;cerelenius;i already explained why lol 529433;1393314879;MisterE;not when the creator given them with a promise to pay back 529434;1393314881;mjr_;and it works like a token 529435;1393314887;cerelenius;exactly misterE 529436;1393314896;cerelenius;gold was what paid debts off in the past 529437;1393314898;mjr_;i could care less what the creator said or wants to do 529438;1393314902;Vexual;its not xanax 529439;1393314903;cerelenius;gold was VITAL 529440;1393314910;mjr_;if i want a sandwich, i ask how many dollars 529441;1393314913;MisterE;it's over only a matter of time 529442;1393314915;cerelenius;they replace gold with the US government bond 529443;1393314916;mjr_;and give them that many if it is important 529444;1393314920;KRS-One;cerelenius: looks like it didnt break resistance, maybe we will indeed see a new low now 529445;1393314933;cerelenius;KRS-One: i dont think we take out the late december lows 529446;1393314934;mjr_;again, completely irrelevant 529447;1393314943;cerelenius;380 529448;1393314943;MisterE;soon as oil is denominated in another currency the jug will be up 529449;1393314944;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.462995 = 3.704 BTC [-] {2} 529450;1393314952;MisterE;oil is all USD got left 529451;1393314966;KRS-One;hmm right 529452;1393314970;cerelenius;misterE: as bad as the USD is it will be the last currency to collapse 529453;1393314975;mjr_;true 529454;1393314987;mjr_;but that is where i think you get ridiculous 529455;1393314992;mjr_;like, if no more dollars are used 529456;1393314994;cerelenius;KRS-One: despite all this shitty news and bad atmosphere we havent even exceeded late december lows 529457;1393314995;MisterE;yea people cant diversify 529458;1393314997;mjr_;we will never be able to obtain things 529459;1393315008;mjr_;like, guess commerce is done? 529460;1393315012;mjr_;we just find other tokens 529461;1393315015;KRS-One;cerelenius so i'm thinking lower 529462;1393315018;mjr_;and they work pretty much the same 529463;1393315019;cerelenius;well yea it freezes up for a short term. 529464;1393315030;jurov;alternatively, we can just go into prolonged slump, that will end when we diversify away from oil 529465;1393315035;cerelenius;mjr: lol its not the end of the world 529466;1393315039;mjr_;i know its not 529467;1393315045;mjr_;my point is it's irrelevant 529468;1393315049;mjr_;to what people do 529469;1393315053;mjr_;and will continue to do 529470;1393315058;MisterE;jurov: I wish, what I really wish is we would pay the real cost for the oil 529471;1393315059;cerelenius;mjr: these types of collapses have been occuring every since capitalism was introduced, just the scale of them has been getting progressively wrose 529472;1393315061;cerelenius;worse 529473;1393315062;mjr_;treat it as debt if you like 529474;1393315066;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.11064728 = 0.6639 BTC [-] {2} 529475;1393315067;mjr_;i really don't care 529476;1393315072;mjr_;again i don't care 529477;1393315080;cerelenius;you will when your bank account is not accessible 529478;1393315089;cerelenius;im sure your bitcoins will save you then 529479;1393315089;MisterE;yea the size of the bubbles are bigger and bigger 529480;1393315090;mjr_;if you hold dollars i guess 529481;1393315095;mjr_;i don't care 529482;1393315101;MisterE;now we're inflating countries like Ireland and Greece 529483;1393315102;cerelenius;paper dollars will be the only thing that have value under that scenario 529484;1393315111;cerelenius;PAPER 529485;1393315112;mjr_;cool...what do we use at satoshi square again? 529486;1393315114;cerelenius;not electronic 529487;1393315118;mjr_;oh thats right 529488;1393315120;mjr_;paper money 529489;1393315120;MisterE;maybe they will keep you warm if you stuff them inside your clothes 529490;1393315122;mjr_;and bitcoin 529491;1393315127;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.0053975 = 0.5236 BTC [-] {3} 529492;1393315128;mjr_;cuz that is tokens 529493;1393315130;mjr_;which don't rely on shit from anyone 529494;1393315134;mjr_;which is why i use them 529495;1393315136;cerelenius;well bitcoin is completely different then the dollar 529496;1393315139;cerelenius;its not a liability 529497;1393315139;mjr_;cuz its maybe too fucking obvious 529498;1393315146;mjr_;oh, so i can't buy stuff with it 529499;1393315151;mjr_;i can't give it to people 529500;1393315154;mjr_;i can't be paid for my time 529501;1393315155;cerelenius;the problem with bitcoin is saleability 529502;1393315155;mjr_;in what way 529503;1393315157;cerelenius;it has none 529504;1393315160;mjr_;is it different 529505;1393315164;cerelenius;hence why it moves 40% in a day. 529506;1393315166;mjr_;i just sold today 529507;1393315169;mjr_;so it can be sold 529508;1393315176;cerelenius;yes but its extremely illiquid 529509;1393315179;mjr_;i have empiraccally proven that 529510;1393315181;mjr_;ok... 529511;1393315188;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 116 @ 0.00534929 = 0.6205 BTC [-] {4} 529512;1393315189;mjr_;illiquid != can't be sold 529513;1393315200;mjr_;so maybe you just don't get these fundamental points 529514;1393315203;cerelenius;well i like using saleability, the more btc you throw at the market what happens? 529515;1393315206;mjr_;i sold some 529516;1393315207;cerelenius;it collapses 529517;1393315209;mjr_;guess what happens 529518;1393315215;mjr_;when i sell a lot of dollars for euros? 529519;1393315219;cerelenius;nothing 529520;1393315222;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVyS9JwtFoQ 529521;1393315222;ozbot;Pixies - Debaser (Official Video) - YouTube 529522;1393315223;mjr_;yep 529523;1393315224;cerelenius;dollar has extreme saleability 529524;1393315227;mjr_;fixed exchange rate 529525;1393315230;mjr_;obviously no one trades forex 529526;1393315234;mjr_;and forex risk doesn't exist 529527;1393315237;mjr_;sorry, you are right 529528;1393315237;cerelenius;you need to sell hundreds of billions to move it 0.5% 529529;1393315238;Apocalyptic;what ? 529530;1393315239;mjr_;i am silly 529531;1393315241;mjr_;ok... 529532;1393315244;mjr_;so you DO move the price 529533;1393315250;Apocalyptic;ofc you do 529534;1393315250;cerelenius;yes of course 529535;1393315252;cerelenius;slightly 529536;1393315254;mjr_;i like how you agree with me every time 529537;1393315262;cerelenius;bitcoin you move the price with a tiny lot 529538;1393315266;mjr_;ok 529539;1393315270;cerelenius;and the saleability decreases as you keep moving 529540;1393315272;mjr_;difference of scale not kind 529541;1393315279;mjr_;same with anything else 529542;1393315280;cerelenius;you can get rid of dollars at any time of the day 529543;1393315285;cerelenius;you can walk down the street and get rid of all of them 529544;1393315287;mjr_;i can get rid of bitcoin at any time of day 529545;1393315289;cerelenius;thats called saleability 529546;1393315292;mjr_;yes 529547;1393315292;cerelenius;no you cant lol 529548;1393315295;mjr_;and you can do it with bitcoin 529549;1393315296;cerelenius;you need a willing bidder 529550;1393315298;mjr_;ah 529551;1393315302;mjr_;so if you hold euros in the us 529552;1393315305;mjr_;are they "saleablae" 529553;1393315305;Vexual;youre projecting 529554;1393315306;cerelenius;dollar has near infinite bidders 529555;1393315309;KRS-One;ah shit i just posted this to -analysis http://i.imgur.com/Qsc61NR.gif 529556;1393315310;mjr_;thas nice 529557;1393315314;KRS-One;isnt it 529558;1393315318;cerelenius;mjr you can walk down the street and sell your dollars for products 529559;1393315327;mjr_;ok... 529560;1393315328;mjr_;what is your point 529561;1393315329;cerelenius;thats saleability 529562;1393315335;cerelenius;why are you referencing the euro 529563;1393315339;mjr_;i can walk down the street and buy products for bitocin 529564;1393315341;cerelenius;you never have to touch the euro to get rid of dollars 529565;1393315345;mjr_;so i am missing something i guess 529566;1393315345;cerelenius;mjr LOL where? 529567;1393315348;cerelenius;shrems bar? 529568;1393315350;mjr_;in panama 529569;1393315356;cerelenius;hotdogs? 529570;1393315361;Vexual;700k and a fresh passport 529571;1393315365;cerelenius;the price of them collapses if you start selling 529572;1393315371;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.11052505 = 2.6526 BTC [-] {6} 529573;1393315388;jurov;cerelenius: you'd have problems with paper dollars of higher denominations, too 529574;1393315389;mjr_;terrae 529575;1393315389;mjr_;my fave restaurant 529576;1393315389;mjr_;thats where i am 529577;1393315389;mjr_;btw 529578;1393315389;mjr_;not nyc 529579;1393315393;mjr_;but sure, there i could go to evr 529580;1393315393;mjr_;or use bitcoin on foodler 529581;1393315394;mjr_;or use gyft 529582;1393315394;mjr_;same as the dollar yes 529583;1393315396;mjr_;or antyhing else 529584;1393315399;Vexual;man who walk sideways through security always going to bang cock 529585;1393315405;mjr_;anything when you sell enough, goes down in value 529586;1393315407;jurov;and don't let me start about credit cards 529587;1393315411;cerelenius;mjr the price starts collapsing 529588;1393315413;mjr_;since it means demand has gotten smaller 529589;1393315415;cerelenius;the larger size you do 529590;1393315418;mjr_;yes, just like it would with dollars 529591;1393315423;cerelenius;no it wont 529592;1393315425;mjr_;or anything on earht 529593;1393315430;cerelenius;theres nobody on the planet 529594;1393315434;cerelenius;that can tank the dollar market 529595;1393315435;mjr_;ok, say everyone in the world does not want dollars for oil 529596;1393315441;mjr_;they won't accept dollars for oil 529597;1393315443;cerelenius;someone else will need them 529598;1393315445;mjr_;no change to the dollars value? 529599;1393315445;cerelenius;to pay debt off. 529600;1393315448;mjr_;no 529601;1393315450;cerelenius;nope 529602;1393315451;MisterE;freefalling 529603;1393315453;mjr_;since debt can be denominated in anything 529604;1393315459;mjr_;i can have a euro backed devt 529605;1393315462;mjr_;or a yen backed debt 529606;1393315463;cerelenius;majority of debt is denominated in dollars 529607;1393315464;MisterE;when stamp hits 425 I'll buy 529608;1393315473;mjr_;that is something called "competing currencies" you should look it up 529609;1393315477;mjr_;thats nice 529610;1393315483;MisterE;oh will you 2 get a room already :p 529611;1393315485;cerelenius;misterE you missed your chance 529612;1393315487;KRS-One;MisterE: you wont want to do that 529613;1393315490;KRS-One;lower.. 529614;1393315492;mjr_;you are saying "this is the way it HAS to be" and proving that "this is the way it IS" 529615;1393315497;MisterE;really? 529616;1393315499;KRS-One;i think 529617;1393315501;MisterE;too uch support at 400 529618;1393315503;mjr_;if no one wants dollars 529619;1393315507;mjr_;the dollar is worthless 529620;1393315509;cerelenius;the bottom was in 529621;1393315510;KRS-One;recheck your analysis 529622;1393315513;mjr_;if no one wants bitcoin, bitcoin is worthless 529623;1393315517;mjr_;in other words 529624;1393315520;MisterE;if it breaks 400 it's a rout 529625;1393315526;mjr_;the value is set by the supply and demand of the item in question 529626;1393315527;cerelenius;tripple bottom off the late december lows 529627;1393315547;KRS-One;cerelenius: there is over $11 million loaned out on long positions..they're going to get squeezed out 529628;1393315551;mjr_;regardless of whether it was issued by a govt, mined on a blockchain, or came out of my ass 529629;1393315554;MisterE;I dont think traditional SA applies to CC charts 529630;1393315569;mjr_;lol 529631;1393315573;cerelenius;KRS-One: what site 529632;1393315578;KRS-One;sry bitfinex 529633;1393315579;mjr_;bitfinex of course 529634;1393315587;mjr_;is there another site with lending? 529635;1393315591;MisterE;winkidex 529636;1393315594;KRS-One;i think btc.sx 529637;1393315602;KRS-One;10:1! 529638;1393315607;KRS-One;nuts huh 529639;1393315608;mjr_;oh really 529640;1393315609;mjr_;crazy 529641;1393315613;mjr_;can you short 10:1 529642;1393315614;mjr_;? 529643;1393315616;mjr_;:) 529644;1393315619;MisterE;that'll get you in trouble 529645;1393315621;KRS-One;yeah i wouldnt touch it though 529646;1393315625;mjr_;me neither 529647;1393315630;cerelenius;doesnt it auto liquidate 529648;1393315630;mjr_;the variance is too high 529649;1393315633;mjr_;it would 529650;1393315635;KRS-One;no 529651;1393315641;KRS-One;it'll hodl 529652;1393315641;mjr_;bitfinex does 529653;1393315646;cerelenius;what happens when your underwater then? 529654;1393315653;mjr_;trims positions, no? 529655;1393315658;cerelenius;thats what i just asked 529656;1393315660;Vexual;cie 529657;1393315663;KRS-One;hmm check i could be wrong 529658;1393315674;mjr_;i am betting they have some sort of autoliquidation 529659;1393315676;cerelenius;krs one you cant do 10:1 shorting with btc where are they borrowing them from 529660;1393315681;cerelenius;what 0.1 btc 529661;1393315681;mjr_;there is no other way to avoid that scenario 529662;1393315694;cerelenius;you can only do btc in tiny sizes 529663;1393315703;mjr_;i mean, you CAN do whatever you want 529664;1393315703;cerelenius;its too illiquid for anything else 529665;1393315707;Vexual;you have personality disorder 529666;1393315713;cerelenius;no you cant nobody will lend you 10x btc 529667;1393315717;cerelenius;theyd go bankrupt 529668;1393315719;mjr_;sure they would 529669;1393315726;KRS-One;check for yourself 529670;1393315736;cerelenius;where? 529671;1393315737;mjr_;you seem to use the word can and can't in strange ways 529672;1393315739;cerelenius;im talking about size 529673;1393315743;cerelenius;500btc 1000btc 529674;1393315743;mjr_;that aren't the ways the rest of us use them 529675;1393315745;cerelenius;not 0.005 529676;1393315747;mjr_;yeah... 529677;1393315747;Vexual;big, all over 529678;1393315754;mjr_;so, i can go bankrupt, right? 529679;1393315761;mjr_;which means i can lend coins in whatever size i wanted 529680;1393315764;cerelenius;mjr someone giving you 10:1 leverage 529681;1393315765;mjr_;i WOULDN'T 529682;1393315772;cerelenius;why not 529683;1393315773;mjr_;that is different from CAN'T 529684;1393315776;cerelenius;becuase youd go bust dumbass 529685;1393315779;mjr_;like i said variance is too high 529686;1393315789;mjr_;peaks and troughs 529687;1393315801;mjr_;i think that actually is why we disagree 529688;1393315804;cerelenius;your an idiot, bitcoins main issue is piss poor liquidity and overall tiny market 529689;1393315815;mjr_;because you keep using the word HAS TO and CAN and CANNOT and IMPOSSIBLE 529690;1393315818;Vexual;you're begging for 50k 529691;1393315820;mjr_;to things that i have seen happen 529692;1393315827;mjr_;it cannot be impossible if i've seen it 529693;1393315833;Vexual;weird mother fucker 529694;1393315834;mjr_;or else we just throw logic right out 529695;1393315836;cerelenius;listen pal, every credit instrument in bitcoin will bust out sooner then later 529696;1393315840;mjr_;yeah 529697;1393315842;cerelenius;thats what happens under a deflationary system 529698;1393315846;mjr_;have you heard of this thing called the pink sheets 529699;1393315850;mjr_;its an otc market 529700;1393315855;cerelenius;your prof tell you that? 529701;1393315856;mjr_;it also has poor liquidity 529702;1393315866;mjr_;so that means equities will never work 529703;1393315868;cerelenius;yea its the junk market. 529704;1393315870;mjr_;because otc markets are illiquid 529705;1393315875;cerelenius;lol 99% of the otc market is junk 529706;1393315878;mjr_;ok 529707;1393315880;mjr_;i don't care 529708;1393315887;mjr_;you are saying that because of POOR exchanges 529709;1393315893;mjr_;bitcoin MUST be illiquid 529710;1393315898;cerelenius;i didnt say why 529711;1393315900;cerelenius;im saying it is 529712;1393315901;mjr_;there is no world in which bitcoin is not illiquid 529713;1393315905;mjr_;i agree 529714;1393315914;mjr_;but since i have the ability to picture other markets 529715;1393315916;mjr_;which have matured 529716;1393315923;mjr_;i can picture a market for bitcoin that is not ililquid 529717;1393315932;mjr_;and that does function efficiently 529718;1393315939;mjr_;like for example forex 529719;1393315942;cerelenius;bitcoin is too illiquid to function as anything other then a speculative tool, in terms of money in only functions as such in cybercrime for example because there are NO alternatives. 529720;1393315946;mjr_;right NOW 529721;1393315953;mjr_;but you just said that you were talking about the way it is now 529722;1393315962;mjr_;it could be different 529723;1393315966;mjr_;it has been different 529724;1393315968;mjr_;it has changed a lot 529725;1393315973;cerelenius;only thing giving btc liquidity is cybercrime 529726;1393315976;mjr_;and you seem to think that time doesn't exist 529727;1393315978;mjr_;ah 529728;1393315981;cerelenius;its not nerds meeting up with pennys underneath a tree 529729;1393315982;mjr_;of course 529730;1393315985;mjr_;so playboy 529731;1393315987;mjr_;tigerdirect 529732;1393315988;cerelenius;trading 50 dollars 529733;1393315992;mjr_;which tree do they meet up at? 529734;1393315994;cerelenius;tigerdirect is zero sum 529735;1393315995;Vexual;ah theres only one fuck this mad 529736;1393316008;Vexual;ciao bellas 529737;1393316009;mjr_;you said "cannot function" 529738;1393316010;cerelenius;they dont accept btc they accept bitpay 529739;1393316014;mjr_;same diff 529740;1393316016;cerelenius;they settle in DOLLARS 529741;1393316018;cerelenius;not bitcoin 529742;1393316021;mjr_;since I AM PAYING WITH BITCOIN 529743;1393316030;cerelenius;yes its no different then selling them at an exchange for usd 529744;1393316033;cerelenius;and then paying with usd 529745;1393316034;mjr_;i could give two shits what happens between me paying bitcoin and getting the product i want 529746;1393316038;mjr_;thats nice 529747;1393316042;mjr_;what did i pay with? 529748;1393316046;cerelenius;tigerdirect means zero. 529749;1393316047;mjr_;what did i get? 529750;1393316051;mjr_;i again, don't care 529751;1393316057;mjr_;i pay with the currency i chose 529752;1393316060;mjr_;and get the product i wanted 529753;1393316080;mjr_;you don't understand the diference between today's bitcoin and the inherent properties of bitcoin 529754;1393316089;Vexual;cerelenius, can you give me a quote on dogs? 529755;1393316091;mjr_;bitcoin is not limited to illiquidity 529756;1393316098;cerelenius;dogs? 529757;1393316099;mjr_;it is illiquid right now 529758;1393316103;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.0053136 = 0.4517 BTC [+] {4} 529759;1393316110;cerelenius;mjr: it will always be illiquid. 529760;1393316114;mjr_;like for example twitter shares were illiquid 529761;1393316115;Vexual;yes, ive got some things here and im trying to decide 529762;1393316125;mjr_;or facebook, and now, they are MORE liquid 529763;1393316132;mjr_;funny how things change... 529764;1393316135;mjr_;ugh 529765;1393316138;cerelenius;yea and in bitcoin they dont. 529766;1393316140;mjr_;you are such an idiot... 529767;1393316141;mjr_;of course 529768;1393316147;mjr_;it is JUST as illiquid as it was in 2009 529769;1393316149;cerelenius;bitcoin will always be a niche place 529770;1393316150;mjr_;obviuosly 529771;1393316160;mjr_;you said that its state of liquidity is fixed 529772;1393316165;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.00539182 = 0.2265 BTC [+] {4} 529773;1393316167;cerelenius;no 529774;1393316168;mjr_;or are you going to change what you said again 529775;1393316170;mjr_;oh ok 529776;1393316172;cerelenius;its state of liquidity will always be poor 529777;1393316175;mjr_;so it can become MORE liquid 529778;1393316184;mjr_;at what point will it cease being able to become more liquid 529779;1393316184;cerelenius;it will never be liquid enough 529780;1393316194;mjr_;what is its inherent liquidity barrier 529781;1393316198;cerelenius;look its 2014 529782;1393316200;mjr_;since there must be one 529783;1393316202;dignork;cerelenius enough for what? 529784;1393316204;cerelenius;and we have 40% daily swings occuring 529785;1393316206;mjr_;since at some point it cannot become more liquid 529786;1393316208;mjr_;thats nice 529787;1393316210;mjr_;i don't care 529788;1393316217;mjr_;could bitcoin become MORE liquid tomorrow 529789;1393316224;mjr_;if it can, then it could keep doing so... 529790;1393316225;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 610 @ 0.00539989 = 3.2939 BTC [+] {3} 529791;1393316230;mjr_;and that is what you don't get 529792;1393316234;cerelenius;dignork: enough for it to be used as settlement without having to go through shit like bitpay 529793;1393316239;mjr_;the issues you bring up have nothing to do with bitcoin 529794;1393316249;mjr_;but rather immature markets for ANYTHING 529795;1393316254;cerelenius;nobody outside of cybercrime(gambling,porn,frauds) settles in bitcoin 529796;1393316260;cerelenius;and those that do do it from necessity 529797;1393316265;cerelenius;not because they want to lol 529798;1393316271;mjr_;lol 529799;1393316274;cerelenius;im not talking about your little nerd with 0.01 balance 529800;1393316281;mjr_;your argument for the dollar was its "necessity" 529801;1393316286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.00539989 = 0.1296 BTC [+] {4} 529802;1393316287;dignork;cerelenius in some countries you can't settle for USD, you have to go through exchange, so what? 529803;1393316287;mjr_;because we couldn't have debts without it 529804;1393316293;mjr_;yeah 529805;1393316294;Apocalyptic;cerelenius, i lol'd 529806;1393316296;KRS-One;cerelenius: according to btc.sx faq: For each position opened, btc.sx will execute an open market order at over x10 the value of your deposit. 529807;1393316300;mjr_;there is this thing called "international trade" 529808;1393316309;cerelenius;dignork: right 529809;1393316311;Vexual;get off the couch cerel 529810;1393316313;mjr_;you do know they don't use dollars everywhere 529811;1393316314;KRS-One;It is important to remember that losses can also be multiplied however losses will never exceed your deposit. 529812;1393316315;mjr_;right? 529813;1393316326;mjr_;in other words they will autoliquidate you 529814;1393316327;cerelenius;dignork: im talking about nobody settles for anything other then fiat at the moment in btc, OTHER then those groups i outlined 529815;1393316330;KRS-One;yea 529816;1393316339;cerelenius;krs-one: yea so they have some protection in place 529817;1393316347;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 650 @ 0.0054 = 3.51 BTC [+] {4} 529818;1393316351;KRS-One;there is also no control over this =/ 529819;1393316353;mjr_;protection? yeah, you can only lose all your money 529820;1393316358;cerelenius;tigerdirect adopted bitpay not bitcoin lol 529821;1393316361;mjr_;you are fully "protected" 529822;1393316363;dignork;cerelenius i'm not a "cybercriminal" and for some transactions I settle for btc, problem? 529823;1393316370;mjr_;don't bother 529824;1393316373;cerelenius;dignork what did i say? 529825;1393316376;cerelenius;tiny ass ammounts 529826;1393316379;mjr_;for every obvious real world example 529827;1393316381;KRS-One;tiny 529828;1393316381;mjr_;he will dismiss it 529829;1393316389;cerelenius;the problem with adopting bitpay or coinbase 529830;1393316390;chetty;I settle with btc, and I am not a criminal either 529831;1393316395;cerelenius;is you can never offer clients huge discounts 529832;1393316396;mjr_;he is wrong about pretty every statement, goes back and says he didn't mean "ALL" 529833;1393316400;mjr_;i do as well 529834;1393316402;cerelenius;you can offer 1-2% 529835;1393316406;mjr_;we all probably settle using bitcoin 529836;1393316416;mjr_;mircea does 529837;1393316417;mjr_;jurov does 529838;1393316419;Vexual;wanna learn? 529839;1393316426;cerelenius;mircea is part of the fraud category lol 529840;1393316434;dignork;cerelenius nonsense, discounts are based on your sales strategy, btc or not 529841;1393316461;cerelenius;dignork: merchants are adopting bitpay/coinbase to tap into the btc liquidity and the free publicity they get, nobody is settling in btc outright 529842;1393316462;mjr_;so it seems that it is possible 529843;1393316462;mjr_;you see a dog swimming, you think that dogs are aquatic creatures 529844;1393316462;mjr_;that is the problem 529845;1393316462;mjr_;exactly 529846;1393316470;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00548 = 2.74 BTC [+] {4} 529847;1393316475;mjr_;i will sell my products for the amount of currency i want 529848;1393316484;mjr_;at no point have you ever shown me an example of how it is different to buy something with a dollar and a bitcoin 529849;1393316484;mjr_;as far as price setting 529850;1393316490;cerelenius;who settles in btc on a larger scale? gambling sites, porn, strange "finance" operations etc. 529851;1393316494;cerelenius;they do it out of necessity 529852;1393316495;mjr_;we listed multiple people who do settle 529853;1393316504;mjr_;and they only settle using dollars "out of necessity" 529854;1393316505;cerelenius;you listed nobody. 529855;1393316511;cerelenius;mircea cant use fiat 529856;1393316511;mjr_;ugh 529857;1393316514;mjr_;he can 529858;1393316517;cerelenius;no he cant lol 529859;1393316518;mjr_;and i've seen him do it 529860;1393316526;cerelenius;he cant run his exchange with fiat 529861;1393316528;mjr_;he paid for our coffees using fiat if i remember correctly 529862;1393316533;mjr_;he COULD 529863;1393316536;cerelenius;im talking about his business 529864;1393316536;mjr_;but he doesn't want to 529865;1393316551;mjr_;since the whole point is moving past fiat 529866;1393316551;cerelenius;mjr you are a child probably 20 years old 529867;1393316554;mjr_;lol 529868;1393316559;mjr_;your googling skills must suck 529869;1393316562;cerelenius;you are obvlivious 529870;1393316566;mjr_;you are oblicous 529871;1393316571;mjr_;this is simple stuff 529872;1393316575;mjr_;if i want to sell my car 529873;1393316576;cerelenius;bitcoin will never work on a large scale 529874;1393316581;cerelenius;you can be guaranteed that 529875;1393316583;mjr_;in your opinion 529876;1393316585;mjr_;and no ican't 529877;1393316592;mjr_;you cannot guarantee that 529878;1393316593;cerelenius;the market cap will fluctuate 529879;1393316595;mjr_;yes 529880;1393316600;mjr_;like every asset on earth 529881;1393316604;chetty;hey how about a bet? 529882;1393316605;cerelenius;between 10-50bil dependant on cybercrime 529883;1393316608;mjr_;it will behave like every asset on earth 529884;1393316616;cerelenius;price wise thats between 500-2500 529885;1393316618;mjr_;that is a large scale 529886;1393316623;mjr_;depends on what you meant 529887;1393316629;mjr_;since its under 10 now 529888;1393316633;cerelenius;the world is not running out of crypto 529889;1393316635;mjr_;you are talking about a 5X increase 529890;1393316642;Vexual;nor fiat 529891;1393316645;mjr_;the world isn't running out of fiat 529892;1393316646;mjr_;ugh 529893;1393316652;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 185 @ 0.00549555 = 1.0167 BTC [+] {2} 529894;1393316657;mjr_;just take everything you say, change the word bitcoin to dollar 529895;1393316657;cerelenius;you can come back here in 5 years 529896;1393316661;mjr_;and you come up with the same thing 529897;1393316662;cerelenius;and btc wont be far from where it is 529898;1393316670;mjr_;which means it won't have failed? 529899;1393316673;mjr_;people will still be using iut 529900;1393316680;cerelenius;it wont fail in the sense of going to zero 529901;1393316680;mjr_;they will still be settling debts 529902;1393316684;cerelenius;it will fail in mass adoption 529903;1393316688;Vexual;no bitcoiners have jumped off something high 529904;1393316694;cerelenius;a niche market 529905;1393316695;mjr_;ok 529906;1393316702;mjr_;you know that by your standards 529907;1393316705;mjr_;the dollar has failed 529908;1393316713;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC 529909;1393316714;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.00549585 = 0.6045 BTC [+] {3} 529910;1393316716;mjr_;since the dollar has not been adopted by the vast majority of people on earth 529911;1393316718;cerelenius;well yes the dollar is a failure its a defaulted on promise to pay gold 529912;1393316721;mjr_;its a niche market 529913;1393316728;mjr_;but we use em 529914;1393316733;mjr_;and it works for now 529915;1393316734;cerelenius;the dollar is accepted by the vast majority lol 529916;1393316737;mjr_;no 529917;1393316738;Vexual;things change cere, the world keeps turning 529918;1393316745;mjr_;it isn't accepted in europe 529919;1393316746;mjr_;or china 529920;1393316749;cerelenius;the chinese yuan is defacto backed by dollars 529921;1393316754;dignork;cerelenius gosh, gold defaulted on promise to be a currency, your point? 529922;1393316754;cerelenius;via US treasury debt 529923;1393316756;Vexual;fuck off 529924;1393316774;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.0054989 = 2.7495 BTC [+] 529925;1393316783;cerelenius;dignork: the same way bitcoin will because of what i outlined earlier in the chat. a tiny tiny % of holders will be filthy rich while everyone else is filthy poor 529926;1393316795;cerelenius;that will always be btc 529927;1393316800;Vexual;juest like usd 529928;1393316807;cerelenius;yes 529929;1393316813;Vexual;its called moeny 529930;1393316813;cerelenius;both are different sides of the same coin 529931;1393316819;dignork;cerelenius this will be the case anyhow, nature laws... 529932;1393316827;dignork;unrelated to btc 529933;1393316836;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC 529934;1393316850;cerelenius;its related to btc because as people WORK hard to build the ecosystem and create purchasing power, it gets siphoned off by the large holders 529935;1393316855;cerelenius;its not nature laws lol 529936;1393316858;cerelenius;its man laws 529937;1393316870;Vexual;man in the image of god 529938;1393316872;mjr_;or japan 529939;1393316872;mjr_;or africa 529940;1393316872;mjr_;its accepted in the US 529941;1393316872;mjr_;which is why i think they say US on them 529942;1393316872;mjr_;the vast majority of people in the world may never touch a dollar 529943;1393316873;mjr_;or have one in a bank account 529944;1393316873;mjr_;so they haven't adopted it 529945;1393316873;mjr_;so if only a few people use bitcoin to transact their business, it'll be the same as the romanian lei 529946;1393316873;mjr_;which is still a currency 529947;1393316873;mjr_;that is used by people 529948;1393316873;mjr_;to buy things, sell things, and to pay off debts 529949;1393316873;mjr_;there is no fundamental difference so far to bitcoin, you seem to think that gox is part of bitcoin or something 529950;1393316873;chetty;I am curious, why come here and argue cerelenius, whats in it for you? 529951;1393316873;mjr_;trolls love to get fed 529952;1393316883;mjr_;lol 529953;1393316884;cerelenius;chetty: im not argueing 529954;1393316889;mjr_;this is ridiculous 529955;1393316896;mjr_;you do realize i could cease accepting dollars tomorrow right? 529956;1393316901;cerelenius;im pointing out whats painfully obvious for anyone who can deductively reason 529957;1393316904;mjr_;yes 529958;1393316910;mjr_;and if no one wants dollars... 529959;1393316918;cerelenius;i explained to you what gives dollars a bid 529960;1393316920;Vexual;you're not trolling, i wrote the book. you have personality disorder 529961;1393316923;cerelenius;you are going round in a circle 529962;1393316940;mjr_;or i guess to put it in simple terms "to the extent to which someone wants a currency, based on how much of it there is, that will define its value" 529963;1393316949;cerelenius;btc will make a handful rich and everyone else will wake up one day realizing they benefited NOTHING from it 529964;1393316956;mjr_;dollars value: supply and demand 529965;1393316962;mjr_;bitcoin value: supply and demand 529966;1393316969;mjr_;i am not seeing the difference 529967;1393316979;cerelenius;dollar demand is always higher then supply 529968;1393316982;cerelenius;or else it would be worthless 529969;1393316987;cerelenius;bitcoin is not the same 529970;1393316989;Vexual;so too bc 529971;1393316992;jurov;cerelenius how did i benefit from dollars? 529972;1393316996;chetty;well the fed isn't printing btc by the bucket load 529973;1393316998;jurov;i never had any 529974;1393317000;mjr_;to the extent i want dollars, i will allow people to pay me in dollars 529975;1393317005;cerelenius;jurov: im not argueing the fiat system being better 529976;1393317008;mjr_;no... 529977;1393317010;cerelenius;they are both BAD monetary systems 529978;1393317018;Vexual;money good 529979;1393317022;mjr_;you don't understand monetary systems 529980;1393317024;mjr_;it would seem 529981;1393317031;mjr_;you seem to think they obey some law 529982;1393317037;cerelenius;no you do 529983;1393317040;cerelenius;supply/demand lol 529984;1393317042;dignork;cerelenius create GOOD monetary system that suits you 529985;1393317043;Vexual;yo mama 529986;1393317043;mjr_;no, i think that the market sets their value 529987;1393317049;cerelenius;i told you i can throw trillions of dollars around and nothing happens 529988;1393317053;mjr_;so waht 529989;1393317053;cerelenius;and the proof is bernanke doing it 529990;1393317059;mjr_;yeah absolutely nothing happening 529991;1393317062;mjr_;i mean 529992;1393317066;cerelenius;whats happening? 529993;1393317075;mjr_;its like i can still buy a hamburger for a nickel 529994;1393317076;Vexual;were feeding you 529995;1393317076;cerelenius;why is gold/oil all below their highs 529996;1393317079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00088238 = 30.0892 BTC [+] {3} 529997;1393317079;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.10350208 = 0.3105 BTC [-] {2} 529998;1393317087;cerelenius;despite all the fiat printing 529999;1393317090;mjr_;its like the CPI has never moved 530000;1393317103;mjr_;ok 530001;1393317105;cerelenius;mjr: when debts become so large, inflation is impossible 530002;1393317106;mjr_;that is simply answered 530003;1393317111;cerelenius;deflation begins 530004;1393317113;mjr_;lol its always possible 530005;1393317125;mjr_;you are saying that a dollar cannot become worth lesss 530006;1393317132;cerelenius;it can yes 530007;1393317136;cerelenius;under a political crisis 530008;1393317136;mjr_;ok then 530009;1393317140;mjr_;so it could still inflate further 530010;1393317143;mjr_;this is basic 530011;1393317143;cerelenius;but we are no where near that lol 530012;1393317152;cerelenius;any dollar inflation is followed by deflation 530013;1393317155;mjr_;mjr: when debts become so large, inflation is impossible 530014;1393317156;cerelenius;hence boom/bust 530015;1393317161;cerelenius;mjr: yes 530016;1393317166;mjr_;except then you said "yes it can inflate further 530017;1393317174;cerelenius;sure incremental steps 530018;1393317175;mjr_;which means, perhaps you don't understand what impossible means 530019;1393317181;mjr_;i think that must be it 530020;1393317184;cerelenius;look oil was 150 in 2007 530021;1393317186;cerelenius;its 100 today 530022;1393317189;Vexual;wrong 530023;1393317191;cerelenius;despite 5 trillion of fed printing 530024;1393317195;mjr_;it means "CANNOT HAPPEN EVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES" 530025;1393317199;mjr_;thats nice 530026;1393317203;cerelenius;under the credit money system it cant 530027;1393317204;mjr_;see, its super simple 530028;1393317207;mjr_;it can 530029;1393317213;Vexual;wha? 530030;1393317213;mjr_;there are 3 apples 530031;1393317214;cerelenius;you couldnt even cut enough trrees 530032;1393317220;mjr_;and 3 dollars 530033;1393317220;cerelenius;to produce the paper to print on in time 530034;1393317226;mjr_;each apple costs 1 dollar 530035;1393317227;jurov;cerelenius the money was not actually printed 530036;1393317231;mjr_;if i print a trillion 530037;1393317235;cerelenius;jurov yes i know i said that already. 530038;1393317238;mjr_;the apples still sit there 530039;1393317241;cerelenius;it was lent into existence 530040;1393317241;Vexual;no you didnt 530041;1393317242;dignork;ok, so now we're discussing dollars, why? 530042;1393317246;jurov;the banks that got it returned it to fed or bought back bonds 530043;1393317248;mjr_;the value asymptotically approaches 0 530044;1393317263;mjr_;he apparently thinks that math doesn't apply to dollars or something 530045;1393317269;jurov;if it got really released into circulatoin, insta hyperinflation 530046;1393317278;cerelenius;jurov lol it cant get released into circulation 530047;1393317280;mjr_;like if i print more, but still have the same basket of goods, at a certain point, i can buy more 530048;1393317281;jurov;so your reasoning is deeply flawed 530049;1393317282;cerelenius;it has to be LENT into circulation 530050;1393317284;mjr_;yes 530051;1393317289;cerelenius;you need both borrowers and lenders 530052;1393317291;mjr_;yes, that is exactly it jurov 530053;1393317296;cerelenius;borrowers were too broke to borrow anymore 530054;1393317296;mjr_;and if no one wants to borrow 530055;1393317300;mjr_;ok thjen 530056;1393317302;cerelenius;the banks couldnt lend it becuase there was no collateral left 530057;1393317310;cerelenius;they could only lend against the LAST remaining collateral 530058;1393317311;mjr_;they can lend without collateral 530059;1393317313;Vexual;broke borrowers being you celerius 530060;1393317314;cerelenius;which was US government bonds 530061;1393317317;dignork;cerelenius you can (will have to) release it into pension funds 530062;1393317321;cerelenius;hence why they bought bonds 530063;1393317321;dignork;no lending 530064;1393317321;mjr_;again who cares 530065;1393317328;cerelenius;hyperinflation = political crisis 530066;1393317337;cerelenius;the US is nowhere near that 530067;1393317339;jurov;so there 5 trillions are as good as non existing 530068;1393317340;Vexual;is anyone lending to you? 530069;1393317348;mjr_;who cares 530070;1393317352;cerelenius;jurov: those 5 trillions have to be repaid 530071;1393317360;mjr_;so your saying that the value of the dollar depends on how many of them their are 530072;1393317361;Vexual;like your aunt 530073;1393317363;cerelenius;they are inflationary when created 530074;1393317368;cerelenius;but DEFLATIONARy for rest of their life 530075;1393317371;mjr_;at no point does a currency become SO worthless that it gets value 530076;1393317374;cerelenius;because they have to be repaid with interest 530077;1393317379;mjr_;no they don't 530078;1393317384;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00549979 = 0.2255 BTC [+] {2} 530079;1393317389;mjr_;you seem to think that magically dollars appear to pay back debts 530080;1393317395;cerelenius;you do 530081;1393317396;mjr_;but there is this thing called bankruptcy 530082;1393317403;Vexual;failure 530083;1393317407;mjr_;where the money (shocker) NEVER gets paid back 530084;1393317409;Vexual;ryernal 530085;1393317410;cerelenius;yea it doesnt work on a soveriegn level 530086;1393317410;mjr_;and guess what 530087;1393317416;mjr_;it has before 530088;1393317416;Vexual;it does 530089;1393317419;mjr_;obvoiusly 530090;1393317420;cerelenius;lol when? 530091;1393317422;mjr_;um... 530092;1393317423;Vexual;its eternal 530093;1393317423;cerelenius;the US government cannot go bankrupt 530094;1393317429;Apocalyptic;lol 530095;1393317433;mjr_;i have heard of 0 countries being removed from the planet because they went broke 530096;1393317435;mjr_;so... 530097;1393317436;cerelenius;you would have a total implosion of the worldwide banking system 530098;1393317440;mjr_;thats nice 530099;1393317441;mjr_;i dno't care 530100;1393317447;cerelenius;mjr your going on ignore 530101;1393317449;mjr_;make something of value 530102;1393317455;mjr_;trade it to someone else for something of value 530103;1393317459;dignork;cerelenius market crashes, happened like 5 times in last 10 years, each time tons of usd where DELETED 530104;1393317462;mjr_;if you can do those two things 530105;1393317468;cerelenius;dignork: yes exactly 530106;1393317469;mjr_;youll be fine 530107;1393317484;mjr_;all the buillshit that goes on, is irrelevant 530108;1393317485;cerelenius;dignork: during debt collapse, USDs get deleted and the left over ones swell in value 530109;1393317486;dignork;nobody repayed them, they just vanished 530110;1393317491;mjr_;make something of value, and the rest doesn't matter 530111;1393317502;cerelenius;dignork: yep thats what happened in 08 530112;1393317508;mjr_;you can hand wave about financial instruments it doesn't change reality 530113;1393317515;cerelenius;one day people are going to wake up and see their bank accounts reduced by 95% 530114;1393317518;mjr_;thats nice 530115;1393317522;cerelenius;the only thing that will hold up will be paper USDs 530116;1393317529;dignork;ok, so they don't have to be repid, right? 530117;1393317529;mjr_;are you saying that no one will be able to then buy berak? 530118;1393317531;mjr_;bread? 530119;1393317534;jurov;cerelenius most people in US have actually negative balances 530120;1393317535;dignork;*repaid 530121;1393317538;cerelenius;dignork: no they can be defaulted on 530122;1393317540;jurov;so no problem there 530123;1393317548;MisterE;people are jumping in btc-e trollbox haha 530124;1393317553;mjr_;that is what you don't get...if i took away 90% of the wealth of the entire world...the system wouldn't have changed at all 530125;1393317571;cerelenius;mjr one thing i know is youll be poor and stupid forever 530126;1393317573;mjr_;since wealth and currency are relative 530127;1393317575;cerelenius;so you are right 530128;1393317575;mjr_;lol 530129;1393317584;jurov;they can't take bank accounts balances like in eu 530130;1393317588;mjr_;if you have 10 dollars, and everyone else has 2 530131;1393317593;jurov;because americans don't have any 530132;1393317597;mjr_;you are a "tenionaire" 530133;1393317603;cerelenius;jurov: it depends what class of americans 530134;1393317622;jurov;it evens out, richer have just bigger mortgages 530135;1393317625;mjr_;yeah 530136;1393317635;cerelenius;its difficult to take balances in america because america tends to have stronger rule of law then most of europe 530137;1393317637;mjr_;average american up to 150k can't come up with 2 grand by month end 530138;1393317637;cerelenius;even todate 530139;1393317652;cerelenius;as bad as the US is 530140;1393317665;mjr_;you seem to think, and correct me if i'm wrong, that money serves a purpose outside of me buying things with it 530141;1393317666;cerelenius;europe has a stronger history of fascism 530142;1393317673;jurov;well, they'll take the home instead 530143;1393317678;jurov;er..."foreclose" 530144;1393317679;cerelenius;mjr: no i dont think that, the system does hence its FLAW 530145;1393317681;mjr_;while true jurov 530146;1393317690;mjr_;thats nice 530147;1393317696;cerelenius;mjr: money is sterile, people think if they put money in a bank vault it will have children 530148;1393317701;mjr_;i saw a hammer that thought it was a screwdriver 530149;1393317701;cerelenius;and bitcoin is sterile too 530150;1393317705;mjr_;i used it to hammer nails 530151;1393317709;mjr_;worked fine 530152;1393317720;mjr_;those people are stupid 530153;1393317723;cerelenius;everyone who gained in bitcoin there has to be a equal loser 530154;1393317728;mjr_;not true 530155;1393317729;cerelenius;its ZERO sum 530156;1393317732;mjr_;no it isn't 530157;1393317737;mjr_;here is the basis of money 530158;1393317739;cerelenius;yes it is 530159;1393317745;mjr_;there is a fixed amount of "stuff" in the world 530160;1393317750;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 181 @ 0.00549979 = 0.9955 BTC [-] 530161;1393317751;cerelenius;1% of bitcoins cannot be spent without the market going to zero 530162;1393317751;mjr_;i may want some of it 530163;1393317753;cerelenius;or close to zero 530164;1393317758;mjr_;wrong 530165;1393317761;mjr_;obvoiusly 530166;1393317768;cerelenius;1% of btc is 210,000btc 530167;1393317770;cerelenius;go spend that 530168;1393317771;mjr_;if i want some of the stuff, i trade some of the stuff i have 530169;1393317774;mjr_;ok 530170;1393317787;mjr_;i could buy 210,000 worth of doge coin 530171;1393317792;cerelenius;most peoples bitcoin wealth is unspendable paper gain 530172;1393317793;jurov;cerelenius, just go to mircea and buy some s.mpoe for 210k bitcoins 530173;1393317798;jurov;no problem there :) 530174;1393317798;mjr_;which would push the price up to wher ebitcoin is 530175;1393317798;MisterE;lost 750K BTC oops 530176;1393317799;cerelenius;lol 530177;1393317802;mjr_;you can spend it 530178;1393317802;cerelenius;haha jurov 530179;1393317806;mjr_;if someone is wililng to accept it 530180;1393317815;cerelenius;the bitcoin market would implode 530181;1393317818;cerelenius;thats what would happen 530182;1393317822;mjr_;no it wouldn't 530183;1393317830;cerelenius;yes it would lol 530184;1393317831;mjr_;you have x tokens, and y "things" 530185;1393317837;mjr_;there is a ratio of x to y 530186;1393317841;mjr_;that is money 530187;1393317842;cerelenius;whats with the elementary school examples 530188;1393317853;mjr_;you cannot understand anything more advanced yet 530189;1393317856;mjr_;so stick to the basicsa 530190;1393317857;dignork;cerelenius so if i pay wages in BTC it will implode? elaborate 530191;1393317861;cerelenius;you dont understand that bitcoin is zero sum 530192;1393317870;cerelenius;its a sterile asset 530193;1393317873;mjr_;because it isn't 530194;1393317874;cerelenius;it doesnt produce anything on its own 530195;1393317878;mjr_;its not supposed to 530196;1393317891;cerelenius;it can always only make a tiny tiny % rich 530197;1393317894;mjr_;its supposed to represent a certain portion of actual things in the real world which i may want 530198;1393317896;cerelenius;at the expense of everyone else 530199;1393317898;mjr_;not true 530200;1393317907;mjr_;its like the rules of logic don't apply to you 530201;1393317912;mjr_;its not 0 sum 530202;1393317914;dignork;cerelenius it's cash, why should it produce value? 530203;1393317918;mjr_;exactly 530204;1393317923;mjr_;i have no clue if he understand that 530205;1393317927;cerelenius;dignork: it isnt cash. its a virtial commodity 530206;1393317929;mjr_;3 apples, 3 bitcoins 530207;1393317936;mjr_;each apple = 1 bitcoins 530208;1393317938;cerelenius;dignork: cash has a tight bid/ask spread bitcoin has a wide one 530209;1393317940;mjr_;no 530210;1393317947;mjr_;that is the situoation right now 530211;1393317951;mjr_;that is like saying 530212;1393317956;mjr_;humans have 2 arms 530213;1393317961;mjr_;oh that is a guy with one arm, not human 530214;1393317966;mjr_;in other words, idiotic 530215;1393317968;cerelenius;mjr it will always be the situation 530216;1393317970;dignork;cerelenius got to forex and lo, currencies with low volumes have large spreads 530217;1393317971;mjr_;no it won' 530218;1393317972;mjr_;t 530219;1393317975;mjr_;exactly 530220;1393317998;mjr_;the relative demand will basically set the bid ask spread (since bitcoins supply grows at a fixed rate) 530221;1393318013;mjr_;if half the world chose to use bitcoin 530222;1393318015;cerelenius;i already explained bitcoin has 2 sources of demand 1) speculative and 2) settlement, break down what settlement means and you get mostly black market activities and maybe 5% of little bits and pieces 530223;1393318019;mjr_;the bid ask spread would be tighter than the dollar 530224;1393318024;mjr_;FOR NOW 530225;1393318030;cerelenius;everytime a merchant adopts bitpay or coinbase 530226;1393318030;mjr_;you stupid troll 530227;1393318034;cerelenius;its just another cashout option 530228;1393318036;mjr_;ok 530229;1393318039;mjr_;again irrelevant 530230;1393318040;cerelenius;it means nothing 530231;1393318045;mjr_;BITPAY says they want bitcoin 530232;1393318051;mjr_;they will ACCEPT bitcoin 530233;1393318053;cerelenius;whats important is adoption by people who actually settle in btc 530234;1393318054;cerelenius;in size 530235;1393318059;mjr_;meaning they are trading bitcoin for soething 530236;1393318069;cerelenius;bitpay doesnt accept shit they just broker a trade 530237;1393318072;mjr_;how is that important, you said it is impossible for it to work 530238;1393318073;cerelenius;they are like a one way exchange 530239;1393318079;mjr_;ok... 530240;1393318082;cerelenius;they are never exposed to bitcoin 530241;1393318083;mjr_;if i wanted an apple 530242;1393318086;mjr_;i send bitcoin 530243;1393318088;mjr_;i get an apple 530244;1393318093;cerelenius;which is sold to someone for usd 530245;1393318099;cerelenius;and then that pays for the apple 530246;1393318100;mjr_;... 530247;1393318103;mjr_;lol 530248;1393318103;cerelenius;there has to be a willing BID 530249;1393318105;cerelenius;at all times 530250;1393318106;dignork;cerelenius if btc is good only for storage, it'd be worthless 530251;1393318108;mjr_;almost like if you paid pesos for it? 530252;1393318112;mjr_;from mexico? 530253;1393318115;cerelenius;dignork: no your misunderstanding me 530254;1393318118;mjr_;how could that system possibly work? 530255;1393318119;dignork;any currency is worthless as a value storage 530256;1393318125;mjr_;yeah 530257;1393318126;cerelenius;certain things on the internet have to use bitcoin becuase of necessity 530258;1393318131;mjr_;which is why bank balances are worht 0 530259;1393318133;cerelenius;like cybercrime and those gambling sites 530260;1393318136;mjr_;UGH 530261;1393318139;cerelenius;thats where bitcoins BID comes from 530262;1393318144;mjr_;and certain people have to use dollars out of necessity 530263;1393318145;cerelenius;those guys do massive size 530264;1393318160;mjr_;you are not describing anything different between bitcoin and dollars 530265;1393318162;cerelenius;you really think bitcoins value is from guys like mjr buying $20 in a forest? 530266;1393318171;dignork;cerelenius i used btc to move small amount of cash between two coutries 530267;1393318171;cerelenius;its from people who settle in it, in SIZE 530268;1393318174;chetty;If all the dollars in the world went poof tomorrow there would still be as many apples :) 530269;1393318178;mjr_;if there are 500 million of them buying 20 530270;1393318181;mjr_;yep 530271;1393318182;cerelenius;dignork: yes "small" 530272;1393318184;mjr_;thanks chetty 530273;1393318186;dignork;just because tx fees on wire transfer where much higher 530274;1393318187;mjr_;that is the point 530275;1393318187;cerelenius;thats not enough for a 10bil market cap 530276;1393318192;mjr_;there is STILL things around me 530277;1393318195;mjr_;things i may want to buy 530278;1393318200;mjr_;if there was one bitcoin 530279;1393318206;mjr_;it would be irrelevant to the number of things 530280;1393318214;dignork;cerelenius lol, check evaluation for western union and such 530281;1393318216;cerelenius;dignork: your transfer was zero sum 530282;1393318220;mjr_;i can "map" the number of bitcoins onto any number of things 530283;1393318222;mjr_;and find a ratio 530284;1393318224;cerelenius;you bought btc and sold it you didnt settle in it 530285;1393318234;cerelenius;thats not whose providing a bid for btc lol 530286;1393318236;mjr_;thhat is money 530287;1393318238;cerelenius;its the guys settling in it 530288;1393318249;cerelenius;and i broke down who is settling in btc 530289;1393318251;mjr_;i don't care what they do after i paid for the product i purcahsed 530290;1393318252;cerelenius;as of 2014 530291;1393318255;mjr_;thats like saying 530292;1393318261;cerelenius;lol after? you mean during 530293;1393318266;mjr_;the restaurant owner is just going to use his dollars to pay his accountant 530294;1393318267;dignork;cerelenius, you with your settlement, i got btc and payed it for a coffe 530295;1393318270;cerelenius;bitcoin did not pay for your purchase go ask tigerdirect for a bitcoin refund 530296;1393318275;dignork;i didn't settlem coffe shop did 530297;1393318277;cerelenius;they will give you a dollar one 530298;1393318289;mjr_;which could be handled by bitpay in reverse 530299;1393318294;cerelenius;no it cant 530300;1393318296;mjr_;they are pegging the value to the dollar 530301;1393318300;cerelenius;if the exchange rate changed you are taking a loss 530302;1393318305;mjr_;i think you are mixing up a numeraire with something else 530303;1393318309;mjr_;so... 530304;1393318311;cerelenius;mjr you are clueless pal 530305;1393318319;cerelenius;go ask for a refund se ewhat they say 530306;1393318319;mjr_;have you heard of fx risk? 530307;1393318323;cerelenius;what they send you 530308;1393318336;cerelenius;i twont be bitcoin lol 530309;1393318340;cerelenius;it* 530310;1393318343;dignork;cerelenius you are in US, paying to chinese company for some product 530311;1393318353;dignork;in the middle there is a conversion to their curremcy 530312;1393318358;cerelenius;dignork: i agree the payment network(blockchain) is excellent 530313;1393318360;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.0054998 = 0.385 BTC [+] 530314;1393318365;dignork;now you want in refund, but exch rates changed 530315;1393318371;cerelenius;dignork: the currency doesnt change 50% in a day 530316;1393318379;cerelenius;exch rate risk is low 530317;1393318392;dignork;depends on currency and timing 530318;1393318402;cerelenius;bitpay has zero exposure to bitcoin risk 530319;1393318403;mjr_;if i bought servers from china 530320;1393318403;mjr_;and the exchange rate changed i could "take a loss" 530321;1393318403;mjr_;thats the pointt 530322;1393318403;mjr_;if you calculate your gains and losses in bitcoin 530323;1393318403;mjr_;then hedge bitcoin 530324;1393318407;cerelenius;they are connected to major exchanges 530325;1393318410;cerelenius;and just instantly sell them 530326;1393318421;cerelenius;you cant hedge bitcoin 530327;1393318424;mjr_;if you calculate losses in dollars 530328;1393318424;mjr_;then hedge dollars 530329;1393318428;BingoBoingo;Argentina might have something to say about exchange rates moving... 530330;1393318429;mjr_;if you dno't want fx risk to hurt you 530331;1393318429;mjr_;you hedge so you end up with what you wanted 530332;1393318431;cerelenius;theres nobody in the world dumb enough to sell insurance against it 530333;1393318431;mjr_;which is why futures markets are a thing 530334;1393318431;mjr_;yeah 530335;1393318433;mjr_;like when you buy a tv on sale 530336;1393318433;mjr_;and then they wn't give you full price whenyou refund it? 530337;1393318433;mjr_;oh really 530338;1393318433;mjr_;i do it everyday 530339;1393318434;mjr_;tell me how i can't 530340;1393318435;dignork;cerelenius hence the derivative market, to hedge this 530341;1393318436;mjr_;lol 530342;1393318440;cerelenius;where is it? 530343;1393318445;mjr_;you are obviously an idiot...no one hedges using insurance 530344;1393318448;cerelenius;mircea? with extremely overpriced options? 530345;1393318450;mjr_;they use futures 530346;1393318452;mjr_;or options 530347;1393318456;cerelenius;options are insurance fool 530348;1393318461;mjr_;no they aren't 530349;1393318467;cerelenius;mjr enough. 530350;1393318469;mjr_;they give you an option 530351;1393318471;mjr_;to buy something 530352;1393318473;mjr_;at a certain price 530353;1393318477;cerelenius;a hedge is insurance. 530354;1393318479;dignork;cerelenius somebody wrote this options, and somebody bought it 530355;1393318483;mjr_;insurance automatically PAYS if an event happens 530356;1393318489;cerelenius;yea like an option lol 530357;1393318491;mjr_;no 530358;1393318494;mjr_;you miss the key word 530359;1393318496;mjr_;OPTION 530360;1393318501;cerelenius;mjr shutup dude 530361;1393318502;mjr_;i have the right BUT NOT THE OBLIGATION 530362;1393318506;cerelenius;go ask tigerdirect for a btc refund 530363;1393318507;mjr_;you are an idiot 530364;1393318509;cerelenius;if you paid them in btc 530365;1393318512;dignork;so you might say stock options are insurances, fine 530366;1393318514;mjr_;and barely understand how our current system works 530367;1393318514;cerelenius;they will tell you to fuck off. 530368;1393318526;mjr_;you don't even know the difference between insurance and an option 530369;1393318531;cerelenius;dignork: nobody is stupid enough to hedge bitcoin with 50% price swings daily youll go broke. 530370;1393318536;mjr_;lol 530371;1393318538;mjr_;what if... 530372;1393318545;mjr_;i could show you a place that will do it right now 530373;1393318549;cerelenius;mjr: why wont tigerdirect refund you in btc 530374;1393318555;mjr_;they don't want to? 530375;1393318561;cerelenius;mjr: lol mirceas option bot? 530376;1393318562;dignork;cerelenius lol, previously you claimed mpex has high margins, now deduce why... 530377;1393318564;mjr_;that is a pretty easy question 530378;1393318574;mjr_;the option is expensive 530379;1393318577;Namworld;Fucking people 530380;1393318578;mjr_;so hedging is expensive 530381;1393318578;cerelenius;dignork: mpex can go broke. 530382;1393318582;mjr_;but it exists 530383;1393318586;mjr_;and you obviously can do it 530384;1393318589;Namworld;Going on and on and on about the "MtGox PDF" 530385;1393318597;mjr_;unless you are too retarded to figure it out like cerelenius 530386;1393318607;MisterE;KRS-One: not going down like expected 530387;1393318610;mjr_;here is a scenario 530388;1393318611;cerelenius;mjr right so if a retailer hedges and its super expensive 530389;1393318614;cerelenius;they lose money lol 530390;1393318617;mjr_;ok 530391;1393318619;cerelenius;all their profit margin vanishes 530392;1393318621;mjr_;your point is... 530393;1393318622;cerelenius;or they need a high btc price 530394;1393318625;mjr_;yes 530395;1393318626;cerelenius;for their item 530396;1393318627;dexX7;view-source:https://www.mtgox.com/ 530397;1393318630;cerelenius;meaning it cant compete 530398;1393318633;mjr_;which means that is just the price of bitcoins vs dollars 530399;1393318637;mjr_;ugh 530400;1393318641;cerelenius;mjr you are clueless pal 530401;1393318643;cerelenius;try again 530402;1393318644;Apocalyptic;guys 530403;1393318644;mjr_;yeah 530404;1393318647;Apocalyptic;view source on https://www.mtgox.com 530405;1393318653;Apocalyptic;<!-- put announce for mtgox acq here --> 530406;1393318654;mjr_;i've done it 530407;1393318660;cerelenius;everyone smart knows it doesnt matter who "adopts" bitpay and coinbase, it means zero for the price 530408;1393318662;Apocalyptic;if acq = acquisiton ... 530409;1393318664;mjr_;they are just serving blank page 530410;1393318665;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 83 @ 0.00530002 = 0.4399 BTC [-] {4} 530411;1393318666;cerelenius;whats important is those who settle in bitcoin 530412;1393318667;dexX7;yup, this line is new 530413;1393318673;Apocalyptic;mjr_, not anymore 530414;1393318682;Apocalyptic;it's blank in appearance bur source has changed 530415;1393318704;mjr_;lol 530416;1393318706;mjr_;i saw it 530417;1393318708;cerelenius;https://bitcoinbuilder.com/ 530418;1393318710;Duffer1;acq = acquire? 530419;1393318719;cerelenius;well they are implying a 9-10% chance of recovery 530420;1393318720;dignork;cerelenius mpex CAN probably go broke, but not because what you;re thinking 530421;1393318738;cerelenius;dignork: well no he never will hes smarter then that, hell just cancel trades 530422;1393318744;Apocalyptic;Duffer1, acquisition seems plausible 530423;1393318747;cerelenius;and blame an error 530424;1393318759;cerelenius;mircea is too clever to EVER go broke 530425;1393318771;mjr_;ugh 530426;1393318775;dignork;basically default, ok, but it's unrelated to options as a mechanism 530427;1393318777;mjr_;sorry i am going to ignore cerelenius now 530428;1393318778;Duffer1;unforseen circumstance befalls us all 530429;1393318793;mjr_;i just can't deal with the stupidity any longer 530430;1393318822;cerelenius;dignork: if mpex sold a put option big enough even a decline like today would clean them out 530431;1393318861;cerelenius;if someone excercised it 530432;1393318866;cerelenius;hed be defaulting 530433;1393318886;mjr_;while i look for the ignore command 530434;1393318894;mjr_;that is probably why you don't write options that big 530435;1393318902;mjr_;and why you'd never program a bot to do so 530436;1393318909;mjr_;and why you raise money in bonds to cover your trading 530437;1393318918;mjr_;don't know though, he could have chosen those things at random 530438;1393318918;cerelenius;yea "bonds" 530439;1393318933;cerelenius;what mpex does is collect nickles infront of an oncoming train 530440;1393318938;mjr_;do you remember how much the losses were last april? 530441;1393318939;cerelenius;by selling options 530442;1393318946;mjr_;um... 530443;1393318946;mjr_;\ 530444;1393318948;cerelenius;no i wasnt here 530445;1393318954;mjr_;but if you sell options on both sides of the train? 530446;1393318960;mjr_;so you stay delta neutral? 530447;1393318964;dignork;PROFIT!!! 530448;1393318970;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.058302 = 0.1166 BTC [-] {2} 530449;1393318971;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.106 = 0.212 BTC [-] {2} 530450;1393318972;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2} 530451;1393318973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00088222 = 1.0587 BTC [-] 530452;1393318973;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.11967988 = 0.4787 BTC [+] 530453;1393318992;mjr_;in case you don't know 530454;1393318997;mjr_;anyone can create options 530455;1393318997;cerelenius;like i said mircea is to clever to actually bust out 530456;1393319013;mjr_;he absorbed losses that were pretty huge 530457;1393319015;mjr_;last april 530458;1393319021;cerelenius;you ever see evidence of it? 530459;1393319022;dignork;mjr_ well, in reality market maker might be not delate neutral 530460;1393319031;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0583 = 0.1749 BTC [-] 530461;1393319032;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.106 = 0.318 BTC [-] 530462;1393319033;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] 530463;1393319047;cerelenius;infact as he ever used the blockchain to provide evidence of anything? or is it all self issued statements 530464;1393319063;mjr_;well everyone got paid 530465;1393319063;mjr_;so... 530466;1393319063;mjr_;dignork: true 530467;1393319063;mjr_;that is the goal though 530468;1393319068;mjr_;but that is why the derivs market can be trillions while the actual assets are not that big 530469;1393319073;mjr_;because the vast majority offset 530470;1393319109;jurov;http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-april-2013-statement/ cerelenius, you can check the addresses there 530471;1393319110;ozbot;MPOE, April 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 530472;1393319133;mjr_;so typically mpex bot will probaby not try go either direction, but rather move the price so it maintains a baance 530473;1393319137;cerelenius;jurov those are bondholder adress's 530474;1393319145;mjr_;which is what we were talking about 530475;1393319153;mjr_;bond holders getting paid and taking losses 530476;1393319157;cerelenius;im talking about payouts to whoever cleaned him for those 20k 530477;1393319176;mjr_;nah, he didn't do it, and they just accepted it quietly 530478;1393319180;cerelenius;er -2k 530479;1393319181;dignork;cerelenius unless he is dead we'd probably hear from him 530480;1393319183;mjr_;no fuss at all 530481;1393319191;mjr_;lol 530482;1393319197;mjr_;but maybe he DID steal 2k coins 530483;1393319203;mjr_;and no one just thought it was worth bringing jup 530484;1393319211;cerelenius;thats the irony of mpex, huge btc advocate, zero useage of the blockchain to verify any of his claims 530485;1393319219;mjr_;yeah he addressed that too 530486;1393319222;cerelenius;i mean thats what its there for 530487;1393319227;mjr_;if you, you know, read anything 530488;1393319230;mjr_;you'd know all this 530489;1393319252;mjr_;we can hopefully bring you up to speed with enough links i guess 530490;1393319262;cerelenius;mjr you need to bring yourself up to speed lol 530491;1393319265;mjr_;or you can just read trilema 530492;1393319269;mjr_;yourself 530493;1393319270;cerelenius;im not concerned with mircea, as i said hes clever 530494;1393319274;cerelenius;you however arent 530495;1393319280;mjr_;yeah, you were the one who asked if he actually paid out 530496;1393319281;mjr_;not us 530497;1393319283;mjr_;so... 530498;1393319289;mjr_;thats why we answered you? 530499;1393319292;cerelenius;and nobody produced any evidence of it 530500;1393319301;cerelenius;you said it was kept quiet 530501;1393319307;cerelenius;awesome proof lol 530502;1393319309;mjr_;what i meant was "i'm not worried about mircea" 530503;1393319317;mjr_;did mircea pay out 530504;1393319330;mjr_;those statements are not internally consistent 530505;1393319332;cerelenius;mjr one day your going to wake up broke and hungry, wondering what happened 530506;1393319334;mjr_;lol 530507;1393319337;dignork;cerelenius, if mp did not pay we'd probably hear about it 530508;1393319341;mjr_;you would imagine 530509;1393319345;mjr_;what if no one complained about gox 530510;1393319352;Duffer1;you could just ask him to sign from the cold wallet 530511;1393319354;cerelenius;dignork: thats my point, you cant even verify if the losses are legit. 530512;1393319354;mjr_;why, the whole problem would just go away 530513;1393319366;mjr_;um...we know the prices 530514;1393319368;cerelenius;mircea can decide if bondholders lose or win 530515;1393319368;mjr_;and the options 530516;1393319368;dub;yall niggers gettin trolled 530517;1393319370;cerelenius;as he pleases 530518;1393319374;mjr_;lol tell me about it du 530519;1393319377;mjr_;dub 530520;1393319379;dub;tiberius up in dis 530521;1393319383;mjr_;is it him again? 530522;1393319386;mjr_;it sounded like him 530523;1393319396;cerelenius;im koin3d 530524;1393319398;mjr_;<disagree> you are poor/young/stupid 530525;1393319410;cerelenius;i come in here once awhile to troll mircea 530526;1393319436;mjr_;<evidence of you being wrong> well...i guess thats true <switch to subject x++> 530527;1393319450;mjr_;just like tiberius 530528;1393319459;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC 530529;1393319464;cerelenius;how do you ignore with webchat? 530530;1393319468;mjr_;lol 530531;1393319470;mjr_;please 530532;1393319569;cerelenius;done. 530533;1393320038;mjr_;so about the whole gox thing 530534;1393320038;mjr_;that is pretty intersting 530535;1393320048;mjr_;couple interesting theories 530536;1393320069;Apocalyptic;mjr_, apparently there is an acquisition going on now... 530537;1393320069;mjr_;they are making it seem worse than it is, so they can bounce back upon releasing "good" news 530538;1393320073;mjr_;yeah 530539;1393320084;mjr_;i was involved with a few people trying to make that happen 530540;1393320093;mjr_;but that was before today 530541;1393320097;Apocalyptic;what 530542;1393320101;mjr_;i mean 100,000 verified accounts is worth something 530543;1393320110;mjr_;we were reaching out to them, with some people who i won't name 530544;1393320116;mjr_;but who had some contacts 530545;1393320125;Apocalyptic;hum, interesting 530546;1393320130;Apocalyptic;they declined your offer ? 530547;1393320132;mjr_;but i don't know anything about it 530548;1393320139;mjr_;we hadn't gotten that far 530549;1393320140;dignork;mjr_, gox verified accounts are usefull, but not for gox itself 530550;1393320143;mjr_;yes 530551;1393320145;mjr_;exactly 530552;1393320152;mjr_;this is a classic case of bad management 530553;1393320167;mjr_;if they were public they would have been taken over long ago 530554;1393320173;mjr_;since there is a ton of unexploited value 530555;1393320191;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1818 @ 0.00549983 = 9.9987 BTC [+] {8} 530556;1393320216;mjr_;i mean, i never thought their shortfall would be a 3/4 of a billion bitcoins though 530557;1393320222;mjr_;i mean of a billion dollars 530558;1393320233;mjr_;or whatever the number is 530559;1393320251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00088336 = 23.2324 BTC [+] {2} 530560;1393320252;mjr_;but, another theory is that they were hacked and held for ransom 530561;1393320347;Monarch03;guys, can I somehow filter messages from @assbot only for HAVELOCK NEOBEE trades? I dont want to see anything else on bitcoin-assets-trades 530562;1393320368;mjr_;that would be a good explanation for the code appearing in their empty html page 530563;1393320368;mjr_;i mean... 530564;1393320368;mjr_;no one can be stupid enough to actually leave your server on and then put that into the production source code 530565;1393320368;mjr_;so it is intentional by someone 530566;1393320368;mjr_;one could assume that it was meant to move the bitcoin price... 530567;1393320372;cerelenius;mjr_: did you meet them under the buttonwood tree? 530568;1393320386;cerelenius;your contacts that is 530569;1393320419;mjr_;some people have said there is increased buying in china...so that could be the source of a hacking attack 530570;1393320431;mjr_;we mostly talk via encrypted chat 530571;1393320477;dexX7;Monarch03: go to #HavelockInvestments 530572;1393320495;dexX7;there is almost no one talking, so it's just you and the havelock tradefeed 530573;1393320555;Monarch03;I am in #bitcoin-assets-trades for tradefeed, but i dont want to see trades of different stocks, only NEOBEE 530574;1393320556;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 44 @ 0.00285 = 0.1254 BTC [+] 530575;1393320557;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 69 @ 0.00549999 = 0.3795 BTC [+] {2} 530576;1393320703;*;mjr_ mute 530577;1393320740;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.00549999 = 0.176 BTC [-] {2} 530578;1393321044;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00459832 = 0.1609 BTC [+] {3} 530579;1393321959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25522 @ 0.00088249 = 22.5229 BTC [-] {5} 530580;1393322130;KRS-One;;;seen vexual 530581;1393322131;gribble;vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 18 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <Vexual> its eternal 530582;1393322146;KRS-One;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNzhY2z75GI 530583;1393322146;ozbot;trick daddy chevy - YouTube 530584;1393322508;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 59 @ 0.00549998 = 0.3245 BTC [-] {4} 530585;1393322692;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.114 BTC [+] 530586;1393323240;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 920 @ 0.0052572 = 4.8366 BTC [-] {11} 530587;1393323301;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1004 @ 0.00520049 = 5.2213 BTC [-] {4} 530588;1393323362;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 565 @ 0.0052 = 2.938 BTC [-] {4} 530589;1393323423;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 203 @ 0.00514719 = 1.0449 BTC [-] {5} 530590;1393323458;KRS-One;http://i.imgur.com/0sjXzpT.gif 530591;1393323484;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 745 @ 0.00501653 = 3.7373 BTC [-] {8} 530592;1393323545;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.005 = 0.35 BTC [-] {2} 530593;1393323667;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00500001 = 0.5 BTC [+] {3} 530594;1393323728;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 117 @ 0.00500001 = 0.585 BTC [+] {4} 530595;1393323789;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 64 @ 0.0055 = 0.352 BTC 530596;1393323790;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 86 @ 0.00500001 = 0.43 BTC [+] 530597;1393323850;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 656 @ 0.005 = 3.28 BTC [-] {5} 530598;1393324399;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 185 @ 0.00543986 = 1.0064 BTC [+] {7} 530599;1393324460;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 344 @ 0.00544773 = 1.874 BTC [+] {3} 530600;1393324522;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] 530601;1393324582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00088072 = 22.3703 BTC [-] {3} 530602;1393324582;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 720 @ 0.00546882 = 3.9376 BTC [+] {7} 530603;1393324704;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00549998 = 0.1705 BTC [-] {2} 530604;1393324897;Neil;Has Gox actually said anything yet? Or is it all just 3rd parties talking? 530605;1393324908;Neil;I guess you can't say much when you fled Japan over the weekend. 530606;1393325031;Neil;Bitcoin is fucking 24*7 entertainment, all for free. 530607;1393325372;Namworld;MtGox hasn't said anything. 530608;1393325375;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.0054997 = 0.11 BTC [-] 530609;1393325439;Namworld;But gox.com was recently acquired by Mark Karpeles. Blank page on mtgox.com shows this source code: 530610;1393325440;Namworld;<!-- put announce for mtgox acq here --> 530611;1393325455;Namworld;That's the only thing official. 530612;1393325470;Namworld;That you can see for yourself. 530613;1393325480;Namworld;The rest is all speculation and etc. 530614;1393325488;Namworld;That pretty much sums it up. 530615;1393325497;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.0054997 = 0.44 BTC [-] 530616;1393325947;Neil;Fact: colleague at work had 1m JPY on MtGox, was paid to his bank account this morning 530617;1393325985;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00549978 = 0.4125 BTC [+] {2} 530618;1393326028;jurov;like they wanted to get rid of JPYs to avoid domestic litigation 530619;1393326054;jurov;but... what do we know 530620;1393326279;Namworld;yeah =/ 530621;1393326535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.00088777 = 24.9907 BTC [+] {2} 530622;1393326839;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 890 @ 0.00086966 = 0.774 BTC [+] {4} 530623;1393326900;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1680 @ 0.00086994 = 1.4615 BTC [+] {4} 530624;1393327144;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 800 @ 0.00087076 = 0.6966 BTC [+] {3} 530625;1393327205;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4929 @ 0.00087477 = 4.3117 BTC [+] {6} 530626;1393327266;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 3282 @ 0.00088224 = 2.8955 BTC [+] {6} 530627;1393327327;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.00088799 = 1.776 BTC [+] {2} 530628;1393327328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00088552 = 14.9653 BTC [-] 530629;1393327388;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 756 @ 0.000889 = 0.6721 BTC [+] 530630;1393327449;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.10768512 = 2.6921 BTC [-] {9} 530631;1393327510;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.11471414 = 2.2943 BTC [+] {4} 530632;1393327632;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 100 @ 0.00285 = 0.285 BTC [+] 530633;1393327998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00088346 = 9.7181 BTC [-] {2} 530634;1393328120;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00549995 = 0.11 BTC [+] 530635;1393328181;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.00549997 = 0.5445 BTC [+] 530636;1393328364;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 19 @ 0.02189999 = 0.4161 BTC [+] {2} 530637;1393328486;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.00549999 = 0.396 BTC [+] 530638;1393328669;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00549999 = 0.297 BTC [+] 530639;1393328670;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.06149999 = 0.3075 BTC [+] {2} 530640;1393328730;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.114899 = 0.5745 BTC [+] 530641;1393328913;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00549999 = 0.275 BTC [+] 530642;1393328914;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02199999 = 0.176 BTC [+] 530643;1393328915;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 244 @ 0.000889 = 0.2169 BTC [+] 530644;1393328974;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02199999 = 0.22 BTC [+] {2} 530645;1393328975;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 751 @ 0.000889 = 0.6676 BTC [+] 530646;1393328976;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00549999 = 0.11 BTC [+] 530647;1393329035;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 210 @ 0.00549999 = 1.155 BTC [+] {2} 530648;1393329036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00088359 = 16.479 BTC [+] 530649;1393329096;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 137 @ 0.00549997 = 0.7535 BTC [-] 530650;1393329097;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02199999 = 0.176 BTC [+] 530651;1393329157;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 162 @ 0.00549995 = 0.891 BTC [-] 530652;1393329462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11101 @ 0.00088451 = 9.8189 BTC [+] 530653;1393329645;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 337 @ 0.00549999 = 1.8535 BTC [+] 530654;1393330141;chetty;http://www.eevblog.com/2014/02/24/element-14-holding-orders-based-on-us-government-watch-list/ 530655;1393330142;ozbot;Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List | EEVblog - The Electronics Engineering 530656;1393330787;azi`;hm.. this gox fiasco is getting more and more interesting 530657;1393330936;jurov;azi`: there's some new info? 530658;1393331046;azi`;https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/insolvency-Announcement.backup 530659;1393331063;azi`;jurov: apparently they are missing 750k coins 530660;1393331097;jurov;Access Denied 530661;1393331131;azi`;right, but it hints that they have some insovlency document? 530662;1393331140;azi`;err nevermind 530663;1393331148;jurov;https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20140220-Announcement.pdf this works 530664;1393331171;jurov;oh that's the old one 530665;1393331174;azi`;anyways they stoped trading 530666;1393331188;azi`;i.e disabled trading 530667;1393331198;azi`;http://i.imgur.com/rPTRxiG.png 530668;1393331202;azi`;and this one is weird as well 530669;1393331206;jurov;yes i know. just wondered something happened in last 2 hours 530670;1393331260;azi`;not that i'd know 530671;1393331265;azi`;what you think is going to happen? 530672;1393331268;azi`;do you* 530673;1393331337;jurov;someone from gox will have enugh and leak more? karpeles will get detained or injunction issued? 530674;1393331412;Mallstromm;Karpeles has been spotted getting breast reduction + facial surgery. Reliable sources say he has been negotiating to buy an island in international waters 530675;1393331416;Mallstromm;probably looking to retire? 530676;1393331480;jurov;he'll be able to hide easily betwee penguins somewhere near antarctica 530677;1393331551;chetty;haha yeah forget injunctions, a world full of angry users .... 530678;1393331611;cazalla;Mallstromm do you have coins on gox? 530679;1393331614;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 530680;1393331620;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 47560.32477655 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 487.0, vol: 113337.81736716 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 486.2, vol: 65120.41363 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 485.0011, vol: 90433.68727634 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 496.61, vol: 453.76762071 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 527.459, vol: 26741.78700000 | Volume-weighted last average: 440.76722333 530681;1393331661;BingoBoingo;MagicalTux has used the Gox Bitcoin to secure himself passage to the moom 530682;1393331686;BingoBoingo;Moom being like the Moon except actually made out of cheese. 530683;1393331791;Mallstromm;cazalla: do i look like a fucking retard? 530684;1393331803;cazalla;assumed you were due to ad hom 530685;1393331814;Mallstromm;of course I don't have coins of Gox. Only a retard or a poor clueless noob would have at this time 530686;1393331817;cazalla;only people who are making those seem to have coins there 530687;1393331841;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.0054999 = 0.209 BTC [-] 530688;1393331857;Mallstromm;cazalla: I'm just having fun. I left gox for good in August after I requested a SEPA withdrawal of just 30k EUR and after 6 weeks I didn't receive it 530689;1393331884;cazalla;sounds like you escaped just in time 530690;1393331886;Mallstromm;there's only a reason for that in my book: fractional reserve. I work with banks and I know by hear that there are no "banking limits" 530691;1393331898;Mallstromm;if you have the money, you can move it - full stop 530692;1393331902;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00549999 = 0.242 BTC [+] 530693;1393331927;cazalla;that's why i don't feel any sympathy for those affected by this 530694;1393331929;Mallstromm;if you need people to wait 6 weeks before paying them... Is because you have cash-flow problems and you need to cash in before cashing out 530695;1393331936;Mallstromm;that for an exchange just screams insolvency 530696;1393331938;cazalla;i really hope they did get ganked for 750k coins 530697;1393331963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18101 @ 0.00088451 = 16.0105 BTC [+] 530698;1393331963;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.05966402 = 0.2983 BTC [-] {2} 530699;1393331964;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.106 = 0.53 BTC [-] {2} 530700;1393331965;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-] {2} 530701;1393331984;Mallstromm;cazalla: I do believe that there is a small amount of noobs/newcomers who probably just wired money to Gox because it was the best known exchange. I would have researched in forums, etc. as I did when I bought my first coins in 2012 530702;1393332004;cazalla;if they didn't lose it to gox, they would've lost it to some penny stock anyway 530703;1393332011;Mallstromm;but I can understand some noob would just send them the money. But people that has been around for months? How come they have been caught with their pants down? 530704;1393332024;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 892 @ 0.00549999 = 4.906 BTC [+] {5} 530705;1393332028;Mallstromm;Having funds on gox was like playing russian roulette. The risk was huge, and what was the reward? 530706;1393332032;cazalla;i dunno, surely a noob would do research 530707;1393332046;jurov;for some ppl i know its like hazard 530708;1393332050;jurov;can't resist 530709;1393332058;the20year1;the idea that maybe, just maybe they would let you wire USD or some other currency 530710;1393332071;the20year1;i asked those questions 6 months ago and every sign was leading to gox insolvency 530711;1393332081;Mallstromm;of course. hundreds of red flags 530712;1393332085;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.05831239 = 0.2916 BTC [-] {3} 530713;1393332086;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.106 = 0.53 BTC [-] {3} 530714;1393332087;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-] {3} 530715;1393332088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00088451 = 17.9556 BTC [+] 530716;1393332088;deadweasel;ha, finally. 530717;1393332100;the20year1;But for some reason daytrading on gox was important 530718;1393332111;Mallstromm;I meant, I was a VERY happy Gox customer. I've bought hundreds of coins on there, sub $10. I have wonderful memories of Gox 530719;1393332125;Mallstromm;but as soon as the red flags are raised... Its just stupid to risk your hard earned money. 530720;1393332128;jurov;me not 530721;1393332130;the20year1;and in the past year? 530722;1393332141;jurov;my very first sepa deposit took over 2 weeks 530723;1393332149;jurov;and that was 2 years ago 530724;1393332156;jurov;never again 530725;1393332156;the20year1;when a company takes 3 months to process a withdraw, something is wrong 530726;1393332180;Mallstromm;jurov: fuck. I've done at least a dozen deposits to Gox, a couple of them 6 figures of EUR -> and they arrived within one week 530727;1393332207;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00569229 = 1.7077 BTC [+] {5} 530728;1393332217;Mallstromm;jurov: seame thing about withdrawals, I had "trusted" status and everything went smooth (and by smooth I mean deposits that arrived to my bank in 2 days) until they weren't 530729;1393332242;jurov;also successfully used cryptoxchange, tradehill, intersango...now all gone 530730;1393332259;Mallstromm;what I can tell you is that as soon as I had a +6 weeks delayed withdrawal I left for good. I didn't give them a second chance. There's really no point in risking your hard earned money when the insolvency signals are so strong 530731;1393332312;Mallstromm;jurov: well, daytrading is risky business indeed. I only daytraded during my "accumulation" phase. Now 90% my funds are in deep cold storage and 0% of them are on third-party services.- 530732;1393332327;jurov;many people do need that thrill 530733;1393332337;Mallstromm;I just send the coins to the exchange when I reach my profit-taking targets - to sell them for good and to withdraw the fiat immediately 530734;1393332349;cazalla;i don't get it though, it doesn't take an intelligent person to figure out this was going to happen sooner or later minus specific details 530735;1393332382;deadweasel;cazalla, when did bitcoin users = intelligence? 530736;1393332387;Mallstromm;or, when I want to buy: just today I wired quite an amount to both Bitstamp and Kraken. I'm betting on a shitstorm happening in the media, noobs panic selling and thus I'm ready to buy all the sub-$500 coins I can 530737;1393332394;jurov;we tried to talk a friend out of it, he sent fiat to gox anyway 2 weeks ago anyway 530738;1393332406;jurov;it was irresistible for some 530739;1393332410;Mallstromm;but as soon as I buy the coins I'll transfer directly to cold storage. Daytrading is really not worth it IMO 530740;1393332415;cazalla;i would bet the average bitcoiner is more intelligent than the average joe 530741;1393332418;deadweasel;afaik, this chan has told people about the fractional reserve system repeatedly. 530742;1393332426;jurov;cazalla i would bet againt 530743;1393332427;deadweasel;in the bitcointalk forums too 530744;1393332428;Mallstromm;jurov: TheKoziTwo has wired $100k to Gox just two days ago 530745;1393332440;chetty;Did you see Voorhees admit he got caught with 500+ on gox? 530746;1393332459;cazalla;jurov: in regards to using a computer i should add 530747;1393332463;Mallstromm;chetty: probably 500 coins are nothing to Erik. He got paid hundred of thousands for SD 530748;1393332465;cazalla;chump change for him 530749;1393332492;Mallstromm;I mean... I also have like 0.0004 (or something like that) left on Gox. Probably 500 coins feels the same to Erik :D 530750;1393332498;jurov;cazalla computer ability has no relation to risk profile 530751;1393332511;deadweasel;are they really going to try this rebranding bullshit? 530752;1393332526;cazalla;deadweasel: people will line up to use it, that's the sad thing 530753;1393332562;Mallstromm;deadweasel: don't underestimate the general level of retardness 530754;1393332621;jurov;even if the leaked plan is fake, it portraits their mindset accurately 530755;1393332633;jurov;they must "save" the bitcoin image at all costs 530756;1393332661;jurov;because they are bitcoin 530757;1393332684;deadweasel;they need to commit hara kiri 530758;1393332689;deadweasel;for btc 530759;1393332692;cazalla;i guess the new investors assume that whatever amount of goodwill is left in the brand is valued at more than what they are paying 530760;1393332721;jurov;700k is very hefty amount of goodwill 530761;1393332764;cazalla;maybe they won't take the debts on 530762;1393332817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10076 @ 0.00088628 = 8.9302 BTC [+] 530763;1393332824;cazalla;karpeles goes out the back door, new outfit in through the front, relaunch on gox.com and play the typical we are not taking on debts and only bought the assets line 530764;1393332838;jurov;like tradehill? i can see them trying, but dunno 530765;1393332877;jurov;heh thill is down 530766;1393332970;cazalla;maybe they'll do a bitinstant - we'll be back any moment 530767;1393333000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00088451 = 14.5944 BTC [-] 530768;1393333001;jurov;oh they were already doing it 530769;1393333010;cazalla;glad i took the gox out of business 2014 bet now 530770;1393333030;jurov;i took the litecoin one 530771;1393333080;cazalla;n1 530772;1393333183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17924 @ 0.00088628 = 15.8857 BTC [+] 530773;1393333195;azi`;i am somehow fascinated that they still keep support on irc 530774;1393333201;azi`;answering patiently to querries 530775;1393333214;azi`;even karp appears to be on the chan 530776;1393333218;jurov;like, what do they say? 530777;1393333252;azi`;the last time i spoke they said they are fixing it but have no ETA 530778;1393333262;azi`;even karp is not really idle on irc 530779;1393333272;azi`;i would assume they'd had to run at this point already? 530780;1393333283;deadweasel;azi`: they are coming around again for another con. 530781;1393333305;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.0056 = 0.14 BTC [-] 530782;1393333369;azi`;al this is giving me dejavu's about 530783;1393333374;azi`;full tilt poker when it went down 530784;1393333380;azi`;identic story 530785;1393333488;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00574899 = 0.2874 BTC [+] {2} 530786;1393333671;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.00574899 = 0.138 BTC [+] 530787;1393333732;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.00575 = 0.9775 BTC [+] {2} 530788;1393334159;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.11588043 = 1.5064 BTC [+] {4} 530789;1393334282;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 105 @ 0.0055 = 0.5775 BTC 530790;1393334344;cazalla;never liked fulltilt 530791;1393334362;cazalla;why play anywhere else but stars 530792;1393334465;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 223 @ 0.00579 = 1.2912 BTC [+] 530793;1393334586;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 23 @ 0.00579 = 0.1332 BTC [+] {2} 530794;1393334647;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 178 @ 0.00579 = 1.0306 BTC [+] {2} 530795;1393334903;deadweasel;why gamble? 530796;1393335142;cazalla;it wasn't back in the day 530797;1393335158;cazalla;average player is much better now so it really isn't +EV 530798;1393335197;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00579 = 0.579 BTC [+] 530799;1393335257;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00579 = 0.1448 BTC [+] 530800;1393335318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3762 @ 0.00088704 = 3.337 BTC [+] 530801;1393335318;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00579 = 0.5211 BTC [+] 530802;1393335562;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00578 = 0.4046 BTC [-] 530803;1393335867;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00578 = 0.2601 BTC [-] 530804;1393336233;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 246 @ 0.00577953 = 1.4218 BTC [+] {2} 530805;1393336355;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00449998 = 0.36 BTC [-] {4} 530806;1393336422;BingoBoingo;Oh, looks like Russia is taking back Crimea 530807;1393336688;the20year1;ukraine? 530808;1393336710;BingoBoingo;Yeah 530809;1393336714;BingoBoingo;Also http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/02/25/0359246/nsa-and-ghcq-employing-shills-to-poison-web-forum-discourse 530810;1393336721;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00577 = 0.577 BTC [-] 530811;1393336782;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 114 @ 0.00577 = 0.6578 BTC [-] {2} 530812;1393336965;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 69 @ 0.005788 = 0.3994 BTC [+] 530813;1393337026;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-] 530814;1393337027;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 181 @ 0.005788 = 1.0476 BTC [+] 530815;1393337087;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 978 @ 0.00578852 = 5.6612 BTC [+] {3} 530816;1393337376;chetty;http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/02/british-spy-agency.html 530817;1393337392;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1107 @ 0.0008453 = 0.9357 BTC [-] {4} 530818;1393337636;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 244 @ 0.00579 = 1.4128 BTC [+] {2} 530819;1393337637;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17145 @ 0.00088428 = 15.161 BTC [-] {2} 530820;1393337880;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00018944 = 0.4736 BTC [+] {7} 530821;1393338185;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 188 @ 0.00571787 = 1.075 BTC [-] {2} 530822;1393338307;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.005785 = 0.162 BTC [+] {2} 530823;1393338429;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.06149977 = 0.5535 BTC [+] {3} 530824;1393338431;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00578981 = 0.5153 BTC [+] {3} 530825;1393338612;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 87 @ 0.00555666 = 0.4834 BTC [-] {3} 530826;1393338795;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 23 @ 0.00578999 = 0.1332 BTC [+] 530827;1393338917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00088562 = 21.7863 BTC [+] {2} 530828;1393338978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00088708 = 18.6287 BTC [+] {3} 530829;1393339100;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 117 @ 0.00578998 = 0.6774 BTC [-] 530830;1393339344;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.0057899 = 0.3879 BTC [-] 530831;1393339406;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49799998 BTC [+] 530832;1393339407;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.0057899 = 0.1158 BTC [-] 530833;1393339578;ThickAsThieves;http://finance.yahoo.com/news/mt-gox-ceo-karpeles-says-143955611.html 530834;1393339579;ozbot;Mt Gox CEO Karpeles says bitcoin exchange is at "turning point" - Yahoo Finance 530835;1393339684;ThickAsThieves;looking like the doc is real 530836;1393339710;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 19 @ 0.00551579 = 0.1048 BTC [-] {3} 530837;1393339716;deadweasel;how can you turn when you've smashed into the pavement after a freefall? 530838;1393339770;ColdHardMetal;the dead Karpeles bounce. 530839;1393339771;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00578405 = 2.892 BTC [+] {4} 530840;1393339811;ThickAsThieves;when you have a fitness ball to land on, all is good! 530841;1393339832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00088353 = 2.2972 BTC [-] 530842;1393339854;jurov;but nobody actually saw anyone fell :D 530843;1393339867;ThickAsThieves;http://i.imgur.com/T2RudcB.gif 530844;1393339868;jurov;mybe golden parachutes were involved 530845;1393339883;ThickAsThieves;this gif will stand the test of time 530846;1393339900;jurov;you have seen the gox truck? 530847;1393339904;ThickAsThieves;yeah 530848;1393339906;ThickAsThieves;loved it 530849;1393339988;ThickAsThieves;seems like now would also be a good time for a new zhou tong jam 530850;1393340088;ThickAsThieves;https://btc-e.com/news/199 530851;1393340089;ozbot;loading 530852;1393340107;ThickAsThieves;even russian mob wagging finger at goc 530853;1393340108;ThickAsThieves;x 530854;1393340114;ThickAsThieves;gocks 530855;1393340320;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18013 @ 0.00088346 = 15.9138 BTC [-] {2} 530856;1393340411;usaoscoin;mount cocks: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/25/bitcoin-mtgox-ceo-idUSL1N0LU12G20140225 530857;1393340442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00088662 = 6.1177 BTC [+] 530858;1393340442;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00578965 = 5.7897 BTC [+] {8} 530859;1393340545;ThickAsThieves;one gox.com NS record points to buy.internettraffic.com 530860;1393340561;ThickAsThieves;if you then search gox.com it says it's for sale 530861;1393340564;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 181 @ 0.00579989 = 1.0498 BTC [+] {2} 530862;1393340581;MCM-Mike;did you have a look at the sourcecode , of the index page? 530863;1393340591;MCM-Mike;<!-- put announce for mtgox acq here --> 530864;1393340609;Apocalyptic;old 530865;1393340621;MCM-Mike;ok 530866;1393340686;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.0057999 = 0.1508 BTC [+] 530867;1393340747;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.11599997 = 0.464 BTC [+] 530868;1393340930;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.0057999 = 0.1624 BTC [+] {2} 530869;1393340991;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 291 @ 0.00085481 = 0.2487 BTC [+] {2} 530870;1393341053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00088326 = 6.1828 BTC [-] 530871;1393341113;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 69 @ 0.00579 = 0.3995 BTC [-] {2} 530872;1393341175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24650 @ 0.00088274 = 21.7595 BTC [-] {2} 530873;1393341235;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2018 @ 0.00018498 = 0.3733 BTC [-] {4} 530874;1393341270;ThickAsThieves;http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2014/02/25/secondmarket-bitcoin-exchange/ 530875;1393341270;ozbot;SecondMarket to launch first U.S.-based Bitcoin exchange - The Term Sheet: Fortune's deals blogTerm 530876;1393341297;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05830106 = 0.1166 BTC [-] {2} 530877;1393341298;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1085 = 0.217 BTC [+] {2} 530878;1393341299;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2} 530879;1393341329;ThickAsThieves;riddled with NSA commenters 530880;1393341357;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.058301 = 0.1749 BTC [-] 530881;1393341358;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.107 = 0.321 BTC [-] 530882;1393341418;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 227 @ 0.00085746 = 0.1946 BTC [+] {2} 530883;1393341419;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.058301 = 0.1166 BTC [-] {2} 530884;1393341420;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1065 = 0.213 BTC [-] {2} 530885;1393341421;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2} 530886;1393341479;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.005799 = 0.116 BTC [+] 530887;1393341480;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.000865 = 0.2595 BTC [+] 530888;1393341540;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0583 = 0.1166 BTC [-] 530889;1393341541;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.106 = 0.212 BTC [-] 530890;1393341542;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] 530891;1393341662;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0583 = 0.1166 BTC [-] 530892;1393341663;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.106 = 0.212 BTC [-] 530893;1393341664;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] 530894;1393341845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13102 @ 0.00088111 = 11.5443 BTC [-] {2} 530895;1393341845;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0583 = 0.1166 BTC [-] 530896;1393341846;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.106 = 0.212 BTC [-] 530897;1393341894;ThickAsThieves;people are so dumb, i have 3 voicemails from a webhosting client asking for my email address, my domain for the business is literally just a logo and an email address 530898;1393341906;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] 530899;1393341907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 647 @ 0.0008801 = 0.5694 BTC [-] 530900;1393341958;ThickAsThieves;"Dear MtGox Customers, 530901;1393341958;ThickAsThieves;In the event of recent news reports and the potential repercussions on MtGox's operations and the market, a decision was taken to close all transactions for the time being in order to protect the site and our users. We will be closely monitoring the situation and will react accordingly. 530902;1393341959;ThickAsThieves;Best regards, 530903;1393341959;ThickAsThieves;MtGox Team" 530904;1393341967;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0583 = 0.1166 BTC [-] 530905;1393341968;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.106 = 0.212 BTC [-] 530906;1393341969;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] 530907;1393342028;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.0057999 = 0.1276 BTC [+] 530908;1393342029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31998 @ 0.0008795 = 28.1422 BTC [-] {2} 530909;1393342033;Jere_Jones_;ThickAsThieves Where's that from? 530910;1393342058;cazalla;what does that even mean 530911;1393342063;cazalla;Jere_Jones_:mtgox.com 530912;1393342089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6102 @ 0.00087836 = 5.3598 BTC [-] 530913;1393342114;jurov;prolly copied verbatim from some bezzle manual 530914;1393342126;jurov;like previous announcements 530915;1393342127;Jere_Jones_;This whole thing makes no sense unless Mark decided to run and the rest of the team is trying to pick up the pieces. 530916;1393342151;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.0057999 = 0.1972 BTC [+] 530917;1393342166;cazalla;too well known to run 530918;1393342180;ThickAsThieves;it's a big world 530919;1393342211;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.11599997 = 0.464 BTC [+] 530920;1393342214;cazalla;he doesn't look the type to be willing or capable to rough it out for a bit 530921;1393342272;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.11599998 = 0.812 BTC [+] {2} 530922;1393342333;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.11688888 = 0.5844 BTC [+] 530923;1393342422;ThickAsThieves;btc-e is down 530924;1393342516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00087792 = 31.9563 BTC [-] {2} 530925;1393342550;ThickAsThieves;havelock too 530926;1393342558;ThickAsThieves;gonna be a ddos-y day! 530927;1393342569;mike_c;love those days. bitcoincharts down yet? 530928;1393342583;mike_c;shockingly no. 530929;1393342655;Jere_Jones_;Havelock is working fine from here 530930;1393342733;Apocalyptic;x-bt is fine though 530931;1393342760;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.0057999 = 0.435 BTC [+] 530932;1393342795;mike_c;knock on wood quick 530933;1393342821;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 19 @ 0.005799 = 0.1102 BTC [-] {2} 530934;1393342927;ThickAsThieves;holy crap 530935;1393342931;ThickAsThieves;tsla at $250 530936;1393343005;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11749998 = 0.235 BTC [+] 530937;1393343023;taub_;ahhhhhh 530938;1393343024;taub_;lmao 530939;1393343026;taub_;what the fuck 530940;1393343027;taub_;so 530941;1393343031;taub_;mtgox is dead for real now 530942;1393343065;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11749998 = 0.235 BTC [+] 530943;1393343067;Apocalyptic;https://www.mtgox.com/ 530944;1393343067;ozbot;MtGox.com loading 530945;1393343086;Apocalyptic;they have put a ... useless annoucement 530946;1393343103;ThickAsThieves;yep 530947;1393343120;ThickAsThieves;again, how can a biz issue PR with no clear message 530948;1393343126;Apocalyptic;^ 530949;1393343141;Apocalyptic;but it's gox so anything is possible at this point 530950;1393343195;taub_;fuck'em 530951;1393343223;taub_;hope people get their money out if they still have some in it 530952;1393343389;jayk;mtgox probably had been cashing out coins all along til they ran out 530953;1393343431;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.005797 = 0.2029 BTC [-] 530954;1393343505;jborkl_;I was on RTBTC trading when they locked it - it was exactly 8:00 on the dot my time - roughly 15 minutes later they took down the site (if you tried to trade it said trading disabled) 530955;1393343553;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.005797 = 0.3536 BTC [-] {2} 530956;1393343556;jborkl_;the price was getting hammered and volume was getting thin, so take what you want from that 530957;1393343614;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 285 @ 0.005797 = 1.6521 BTC [-] 530958;1393343645;jborkl_;the price was getting knocked both ways very quickly due to the thin order book 530959;1393343647;Apocalyptic;https://btc-e.com/api/2/ltc_btc/ticker 530960;1393343650;Apocalyptic;ticker is up though 530961;1393343678;ThickAsThieves;LTC is gonna die I think 530962;1393343713;ThickAsThieves;i don't think it's got a strong enough signal in all the altcoin noise 530963;1393343807;jborkl_;Tat, I think you are right on 530964;1393343919;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 86 @ 0.00579747 = 0.4986 BTC [+] {2} 530965;1393344042;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.13144999 BTC [+] 530966;1393344102;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 179 @ 0.00579783 = 1.0378 BTC [+] {2} 530967;1393344132;ThickAsThieves;http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/02/facebook-chief-depicted-as-hook-nosed-octopus-201422514549661383.html 530968;1393344133;ozbot;Facebook chief depicted as hook-nosed octopus - Europe - Al Jazeera English 530969;1393344224;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11749997 BTC [-] 530970;1393344225;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3000 @ 0.00589228 = 17.6768 BTC [+] {10} 530971;1393344227;ThickAsThieves;neo gonna hit 6 it seems 530972;1393344285;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.0058 = 0.174 BTC [-] 530973;1393344346;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 428 @ 0.00589955 = 2.525 BTC [+] {4} 530974;1393344408;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.0059001 = 0.177 BTC [+] 530975;1393344468;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3000 @ 0.00596134 = 17.884 BTC [+] {9} 530976;1393344590;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] 530977;1393344714;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11749997 = 0.3525 BTC [-] 530978;1393344773;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.1175 = 2.585 BTC [+] {2} 530979;1393344957;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00465 = 0.186 BTC [+] {2} 530980;1393344958;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.06149998 = 0.615 BTC [+] {2} 530981;1393345140;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00464745 = 0.2091 BTC [-] 530982;1393345141;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0615 = 0.615 BTC [+] 530983;1393345281;KRS-One;http://imgur.com/g1kk0Gi 530984;1393345281;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 530985;1393345322;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.06195454 = 0.6815 BTC [+] {3} 530986;1393345373;ThickAsThieves;why a screenshot? 530987;1393345383;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0615 = 0.1845 BTC [-] {2} 530988;1393345384;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10600001 = 0.318 BTC [+] {2} 530989;1393345385;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] {2} 530990;1393345505;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0615 = 0.246 BTC [-] 530991;1393345506;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.106 = 0.424 BTC [-] 530992;1393345507;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-] 530993;1393345566;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 530994;1393345567;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0615 = 0.123 BTC [-] 530995;1393345568;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.106 = 0.212 BTC [-] 530996;1393345569;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00597899 = 0.1794 BTC [+] {2} 530997;1393345627;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06125001 = 0.1225 BTC [-] 530998;1393345628;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.106 = 0.212 BTC [-] 530999;1393345629;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] 531000;1393345749;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.106 BTC [-] 531001;1393345750;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 531002;1393345807;mike_c;!t h rent 531003;1393345808;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (2771 shares, 15.24050000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (6234 shares, 34.28700000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (39460 shares, 217.03000000 BTC) 531004;1393345810;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.005979 = 0.1853 BTC [+] 531005;1393345932;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46510003 BTC [-] 531006;1393345993;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.0058012 = 0.6439 BTC [-] {3} 531007;1393345996;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] 531008;1393345997;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.106 = 1.272 BTC [-] 531009;1393346046;dexX7;KRS-One: is this personalized? i don't even see a picture.. only text links somewhere inbetween.. "More woe for Bitcoin exchange Mt.Gox" + "U.S.-based Bitcoin exchange coming" 531010;1393346111;thestringpuller;there are already 3 us exchanges 531011;1393346121;thestringpuller;campbx, coinbase, and coinlab 531012;1393346124;thestringpuller;the 3 c's 531013;1393346176;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.06125 = 0.3675 BTC [-] 531014;1393346177;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.106 = 0.636 BTC [-] 531015;1393346178;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.16230094 = 0.9738 BTC [-] 531016;1393346179;dexX7;coinlab? they are still promoting the mining failure on their website 531017;1393346187;davout;coinlab isn't an exchange 531018;1393346199;davout;neither is coinbase strictly speaking 531019;1393346202;Duffer1;campbx is still alive? 531020;1393346218;davout;Duffer1: looks like it's surviving, sort of 531021;1393346224;ThickAsThieves;i thought campbx got banxed 531022;1393346230;davout;not sure here 531023;1393346237;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34749 @ 0.00087769 = 30.4988 BTC [-] {3} 531024;1393346237;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06249548 = 0.125 BTC [+] 531025;1393346279;davout;they report 500 BTC volume on bcharts 531026;1393346299;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00580118 = 0.116 BTC [-] 531027;1393346359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00088173 = 16.0916 BTC [+] 531028;1393346420;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.0058012 = 0.174 BTC [+] 531029;1393346481;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06249548 = 0.125 BTC [+] 531030;1393346520;dexX7;speaking of us bitcoin business. i'm somehow impressed about circle. came out of nothing, did nothing till now, but allaire participated as witness at the senate hearing, they joined the circle against gox etc.. 531031;1393346543;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.0053252 = 0.1331 BTC [+] {2} 531032;1393346614;dexX7;and today again on bloomberg: http://www.businessweek.com/videos/2014-02-25/can-mt-dot-gox-failure-be-a-positive-for-bitcoin 531033;1393346664;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.00580119 = 0.3655 BTC [-] 531034;1393346706;pigeons;why is circle doing nothing impressive? 531035;1393346725;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00580119 = 0.2495 BTC [-] 531036;1393346726;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.061252 = 0.1838 BTC [-] 531037;1393346727;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.1065 = 0.5325 BTC [+] {2} 531038;1393346728;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] 531039;1393346729;thestringpuller;because they don't skateboard 531040;1393346736;pigeons;use a skate go to prison 531041;1393346746;thestringpuller;!ticker B.EXCH 531042;1393346746;assbot;I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who. 531043;1393346760;Jere_Jones_;lol 531044;1393346776;thestringpuller;!ticker h B.EXCH 531045;1393346777;assbot;[HAVELOCK:B.EXCH] 1D: 0.16230094 / 0.16230094 / 0.16230094 (212 shares, 34.40779928 BTC), 7D: 0.16230094 / 0.16230094 / 0.16230094 (678 shares, 110.04003732 BTC), 30D: 0.02010015 / 0.19616302 / 0.24310363 (2798 shares, 548.86413075 BTC) 531046;1393346779;thestringpuller;sorry assbot :P 531047;1393346786;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06125 = 0.1838 BTC [-] 531048;1393346787;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.106 = 0.318 BTC [-] 531049;1393346795;thestringpuller;such low volume 531050;1393346800;thestringpuller;!ticker h B.MINE 531051;1393346801;assbot;[HAVELOCK:B.MINE] 1D: 0.05700000 / 0.06012384 / 0.06249548 (393 shares, 23.62866718 BTC), 7D: 0.05700000 / 0.0617085 / 0.06849999 (1174 shares, 72.44577658 BTC), 30D: 0.05610001 / 0.08000289 / 0.44000000 (3256 shares, 260.48939362 BTC) 531052;1393346805;thestringpuller;!ticker h B.SELL 531053;1393346807;assbot;[HAVELOCK:B.SELL] 1D: 0.10101010 / 0.10790614 / 0.11489900 (156 shares, 16.83335801 BTC), 7D: 0.08500000 / 0.10273955 / 0.11489900 (358 shares, 36.78075930 BTC), 30D: 0.06000001 / 0.11423134 / 0.14990000 (1939 shares, 221.49456512 BTC) 531054;1393346847;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06125 = 0.1838 BTC [-] {2} 531055;1393346848;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.106 = 0.318 BTC [-] 531056;1393346849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.0008822 = 12.7037 BTC [+] {2} 531057;1393346849;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] 531058;1393346850;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.00580119 = 0.4467 BTC [-] 531059;1393346851;thestringpuller;pigeons: are you saying all skaters and rappers are delinquents and should be locked up? 531060;1393346876;thestringpuller;Wu-Tang has better financial services than Gox :P 531061;1393346893;pigeons;not should. its a saying from the 80s 531062;1393346908;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 206 @ 0.00580119 = 1.195 BTC [-] {2} 531063;1393346917;thestringpuller;oh I'm too young to get the reference then 531064;1393346927;thestringpuller;i didn't know about the beastie boys until 2002 531065;1393346931;pigeons;:) 531066;1393346959;pigeons;its an exaggeration on the supposed oppression of skateboarding 531067;1393346969;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06125 = 0.1838 BTC [-] 531068;1393346970;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 69 @ 0.16230094 = 11.1988 BTC [-] {2} 531069;1393346971;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.106 = 0.318 BTC [-] 531070;1393347154;gx;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3imSKAvgmY 531071;1393347160;ozbot;A brief history of the DOW jones - YouTube 531072;1393347256;ThickAsThieves;http://rt.com/usa/georgia-confederate-license-plate-787/ 531073;1393347275;ThickAsThieves;“We believe that everyone has the right to preserve their heritage” 531074;1393347290;thestringpuller;oh ThickAsThieves my friend started a Bitcoin business in Tifton 531075;1393347291;thestringpuller;lolol 531076;1393347312;thestringpuller;as an experiment to see if he can educate the local populace 531077;1393347446;ThickAsThieves;he'll regret it 531078;1393347460;ThickAsThieves;educating the populace is a thankless, stress-inducing task 531079;1393347464;chetty;http://www.americanbanker.com/magazine/124_02/why-bitcoin-matters-for-bankers-1065590-1.html 531080;1393347465;ozbot;Why Bitcoin Matters for Bankers - American Banker Magazine Article 531081;1393347523;deadweasel;I would liek this on my plates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_and_take_it 531082;1393347576;ThickAsThieves;"but it was once nearly as important a port as Savannah[according to whom?]" 531083;1393347578;ThickAsThieves;hehe 531084;1393347579;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06125 = 0.1838 BTC [-] 531085;1393347580;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.106 = 0.318 BTC [-] 531086;1393347581;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] 531087;1393347582;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.30274502 BTC to 2`866 shares, 80347 satoshi per share 531088;1393347724;ThickAsThieves;http://www.sfweekly.com/2014-02-19/news/evolution-of-protest-google-tech-bus-apple/full/ 531089;1393347726;ozbot;The Evolution of Protest: The Bay Area Has Been Shaped by Dissent, But No One Can Stand in the Way o 531090;1393347762;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] 531091;1393347823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00088119 = 11.2792 BTC [-] 531092;1393347823;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06125 = 0.1225 BTC [-] 531093;1393347884;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 18 @ 0.106 = 1.908 BTC [-] {2} 531094;1393348006;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.06249513 = 0.375 BTC [+] {3} 531095;1393348007;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 636 @ 0.0058008 = 3.6893 BTC [-] {3} 531096;1393348067;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 21 @ 0.00580118 = 0.1218 BTC [+] {2} 531097;1393348373;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0610002 = 0.244 BTC [-] {2} 531098;1393348374;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.106 = 0.424 BTC [-] {2} 531099;1393348375;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 531100;1393348376;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 234 @ 0.00580119 = 1.3575 BTC [+] {3} 531101;1393348433;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 68 @ 0.05997501 = 4.0783 BTC [-] {9} 531102;1393348434;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.106 = 0.212 BTC [-] 531103;1393348435;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.16230094 = 0.9738 BTC [-] {3} 531104;1393348494;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.0058012 = 0.3075 BTC [+] 531105;1393348495;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.1175 = 0.47 BTC [+] 531106;1393348616;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 14 @ 0.16230094 = 2.2722 BTC [-] 531107;1393348677;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1017 @ 0.00597995 = 6.0816 BTC [+] {6} 531108;1393348738;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 515 @ 0.00597998 = 3.0797 BTC [+] {3} 531109;1393348860;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00597989 = 0.897 BTC [-] 531110;1393348861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11984 @ 0.00088265 = 10.5777 BTC [+] 531111;1393348861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.11478468 = 0.8035 BTC [+] {4} 531112;1393348982;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 762 @ 0.00597994 = 4.5567 BTC [+] {2} 531113;1393349043;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 457 @ 0.00597989 = 2.7328 BTC [-] {5} 531114;1393349165;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.0582 = 0.9894 BTC [-] {3} 531115;1393349166;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10896699 = 0.3269 BTC [-] {2} 531116;1393349167;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 531117;1393349226;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0582 = 0.2328 BTC [-] {3} 531118;1393349227;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1060075 = 0.424 BTC [-] {3} 531119;1393349228;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-] {3} 531120;1393349348;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 531121;1393349397;wao-ender;v0v 531122;1393349470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1963 @ 0.00088397 = 1.7352 BTC [+] 531123;1393349470;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.00597989 = 0.3767 BTC [-] {2} 531124;1393349472;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-] 531125;1393349653;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 18 @ 0.16230094 = 2.9214 BTC [-] 531126;1393349655;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0582 = 0.1746 BTC [-] 531127;1393349714;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.106 = 0.318 BTC [-] 531128;1393349775;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.00598 = 0.3468 BTC [+] 531129;1393350017;moiety;mew? 531130;1393350072;nubbins`;hi 531131;1393350099;moiety;nubbins`: i think they have died from laughing at gox 531132;1393350156;nubbins`;people knew it was a bad idea but they put their coins there anyway 531133;1393350162;nubbins`;;;seen mike_c 531134;1393350162;gribble;mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 12 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <mike_c> !t h rent 531135;1393350170;mike_c;hey 531136;1393350191;moiety;hi mike 531137;1393350222;mike_c;hello! 531138;1393350255;nubbins`;heyo 531139;1393350260;nubbins`;mike_c, lurk in #eulora 531140;1393350263;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 84 @ 0.00598 = 0.5023 BTC [+] {2} 531141;1393350270;nubbins`;[14:13:29] <nubbins`> down to only two errors when executing jam on osx, related to duplicate symbols in libfparser 531142;1393350270;nubbins`;[14:14:05] <nubbins`> had some issues with the Breakpad stuff so ended up commenting it all out for now 531143;1393350296;mike_c;2 errors! of course, the last two are always the worst. 531144;1393350317;nubbins`;nod 531145;1393350324;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.00598 = 0.4664 BTC [+] {2} 531146;1393350385;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 147 @ 0.00598 = 0.8791 BTC [+] {2} 531147;1393350568;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 850 @ 0.00598 = 5.083 BTC [+] 531148;1393350584;nubbins`;ah fuck, hot water heater is busted 531149;1393350629;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00598 = 0.1316 BTC [+] {2} 531150;1393350630;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49377998 BTC [+] 531151;1393350934;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 41 @ 0.1175 = 4.8175 BTC [+] 531152;1393350995;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00582646 = 0.1457 BTC [-] {4} 531153;1393350996;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.13099999 = 0.393 BTC [-] 531154;1393351057;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 320 @ 0.00088509 = 0.2832 BTC [-] 531155;1393351300;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.00597999 = 0.1914 BTC [+] {2} 531156;1393351666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00088119 = 6.1243 BTC [-] 531157;1393351727;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.1175 = 2.115 BTC [+] 531158;1393351748;benkay;is the world less insane today, boys? 531159;1393351772;nubbins`;;;seen nubbins` 531160;1393351772;gribble;nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 19 minutes and 48 seconds ago: <nubbins`> ah fuck, hot water heater is busted 531161;1393351775;nubbins`;NO ;( 531162;1393351849;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 167 @ 0.00598 = 0.9987 BTC [+] 531163;1393352021;*;moiety coughs and looks at benkay 531164;1393352029;benkay;lo moiety 531165;1393352038;benkay;lo - a wild moiety! 531166;1393352068;BingoBoingo;;;seen MtGox 531167;1393352068;gribble;I have not seen MtGox. 531168;1393352074;moiety;:) lol and nope the world is not less crazy today benkay! 531169;1393352078;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 531170;1393352079;moiety;lolol BingoBoingo 531171;1393352083;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 36552.87216276 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 508.0, vol: 114074.61626242 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 512.687, vol: 72239.04597 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 509.24, vol: 99344.6243518 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 540.01, vol: 504.57606884 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 530.269393, vol: 27708.25900000 | Volume-weighted last average: 472.216913778 531172;1393352093;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00581117 = 0.5811 BTC [-] {4} 531173;1393352134;benkay;gox is dead, correct? dead dead? 531174;1393352142;BingoBoingo;benkay: Indeed 531175;1393352187;TomServo;no, no, it's a "turning point" :P 531176;1393352197;BingoBoingo;Proposal, since Gox last will now always be 135, Instead of Quoting BTC/USD in terms of dollars, it should hence forth be quoted as a percentage of Gox last. 531177;1393352215;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49377998 = 0.9876 BTC [+] 531178;1393352216;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.06250047 = 0.125 BTC [+] 531179;1393352327;BingoBoingo;MagicalTux has gone to the Moon where he hides in exile with the Doge creators, Trendon Shavers, and Usagi 531180;1393352521;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.10600001 = 0.212 BTC [+] 531181;1393352642;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00088509 = 0.177 BTC [-] 531182;1393352776;moiety;they have even taken the office plants i hear 531183;1393352866;BingoBoingo;http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/02/four-days-in-and-still-no-patch-for-os-x-critical-goto-fail-bug/ 531184;1393352995;pankkake;apple left the "get your phone rooted by a pdf" bug open for a month, so, nothing new 531185;1393353011;pankkake;also, the java flaw, for months 531186;1393353017;BingoBoingo;Sure. 531187;1393353155;cads;hey what's a better channel than #math to talk about quantitative stuff? 531188;1393353294;cads;I have a question about the basic black scholes model 531189;1393353313;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 165 @ 0.00580119 = 0.9572 BTC [-] {3} 531190;1393353369;cads;I'm looking at the definition of geometric brownian motion as the sum of a normal brownian motion and a drift function, and I'm having a hard time believing it actually lets us model real world stocks. 531191;1393353436;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0055 = 0.1925 BTC 531192;1393353493;cads;but one of the basic assumptions of the black scholes options valuation model is that the stocks are geometric brownian motions. 531193;1393353496;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00597895 = 0.2392 BTC [+] {2} 531194;1393353553;ThickAsThieves;http://i.imgur.com/2b8Fec3.jpg 531195;1393353618;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.00597895 = 0.2511 BTC [+] {2} 531196;1393353619;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 531197;1393353640;cads;so I guess this leads to efforts to quantify and estimate the actual brownian "volatility" in a given stock, given past observations. 531198;1393353680;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.117 BTC [-] 531199;1393353802;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.00597896 = 0.2212 BTC [-] {3} 531200;1393353897;cads;What gets me is that the other assumptions, like no arbitrage or market friction. seem reasonable and we might expect to weaken the assumptions later. 531201;1393353923;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 163 @ 0.00597895 = 0.9746 BTC [-] {3} 531202;1393353963;cads;but when it comes to what actually creates the knowledge of the history, we have a brownian motion. 531203;1393354014;benkay;cads ##econometrics 531204;1393354106;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1571 @ 0.00017226 = 0.2706 BTC [-] {11} 531205;1393354107;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 59 @ 0.00597896 = 0.3528 BTC [+] 531206;1393354167;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00597897 = 0.1495 BTC [+] {2} 531207;1393354228;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00465 = 0.186 BTC [+] 531208;1393354289;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02199999 = 0.11 BTC [+] 531209;1393354411;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 265 @ 0.00597895 = 1.5844 BTC [-] {2} 531210;1393354542;ThickAsThieves;http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/25/5446534/apple-patches-ssl-security-vulnerability-osx 531211;1393354542;ozbot;Apple issues fix for major security flaw on OS X | The Verge 531212;1393354655;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 112 @ 0.00597899 = 0.6696 BTC [+] {2} 531213;1393354864;nubbins`;lovely 531214;1393354875;nubbins`;wonder will they fix their implementation of clang next ;p 531215;1393354960;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1884 @ 0.00018548 = 0.3494 BTC [+] 531216;1393355082;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47000211 BTC [-] 531217;1393355143;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47000201 BTC [-] 531218;1393355265;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.13099999 = 0.655 BTC [-] 531219;1393355448;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00597898 = 0.1196 BTC [+] 531220;1393355449;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 618 @ 0.00088509 = 0.547 BTC [-] 531221;1393355631;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 69 @ 0.00464745 = 0.3207 BTC [-] 531222;1393355655;twizt;lol 531223;1393355656;twizt;http://imgur.com/xMeW43a 531224;1393355656;ozbot;The Incompetence of MT GOX-How it all began - Imgur 531225;1393355706;Duffer1;so security very wow 531226;1393355726;twizt;i dunno y people advocate for web apps 531227;1393355727;TomServo;Isn't that Jed? 531228;1393355728;davout;just ftr that was jed, not karpy 531229;1393355732;twizt;the most unsecure crap ever 531230;1393355875;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.00597897 = 0.3049 BTC [-] {2} 531231;1393355997;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05935 = 0.1187 BTC [+] {2} 531232;1393355998;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10600001 BTC [+] 531233;1393355999;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.00597897 = 0.6577 BTC [-] 531234;1393356058;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.058405 = 0.3504 BTC [-] {4} 531235;1393356059;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.106 = 0.636 BTC [-] {4} 531236;1393356060;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-] {3} 531237;1393356107;benkay;mircea_popescu coinpunk.org and coinpunk.com are indeed same folks 531238;1393356119;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00585737 = 0.5857 BTC [-] {3} 531239;1393356241;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0575 = 0.115 BTC [-] {2} 531240;1393356242;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.106 BTC [-] 531241;1393356243;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 531242;1393356302;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.106 BTC [-] 531243;1393356303;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 531244;1393356485;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.0058 = 0.725 BTC [-] 531245;1393356607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2841 @ 0.00088008 = 2.5003 BTC [-] 531246;1393356776;Urushiol;people putting funds in securities for the expected decline? 531247;1393357095;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00591416 = 0.7097 BTC [+] {2} 531248;1393357156;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0057353 = 1.1471 BTC [-] {12} 531249;1393357218;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00591899 = 0.3551 BTC [+] {2} 531250;1393357554;dexX7;https://www.facebook.com/goxbitcoin 531251;1393357644;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 17 @ 0.00591901 = 0.1006 BTC [+] 531252;1393357827;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.057 = 0.171 BTC [-] 531253;1393357828;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.106 = 0.318 BTC [-] 531254;1393357829;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.00591901 = 0.4558 BTC [+] 531255;1393357830;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] 531256;1393357949;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8860 @ 0.00088029 = 7.7994 BTC [+] {2} 531257;1393358132;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 18 @ 0.00597897 = 0.1076 BTC [+] 531258;1393358254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00088129 = 15.026 BTC [+] 531259;1393358315;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 223 @ 0.00591903 = 1.3199 BTC [-] 531260;1393358437;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.1175 = 2.82 BTC [+] {2} 531261;1393358442;ThickAsThieves;http://www.cnbc.com/id/101444108 531262;1393358442;ozbot;Mt.Gox: Decision was made to close transactions for the time being 531263;1393358459;ThickAsThieves;Lawsky says gox closing is a good thing, etc 531264;1393358547;jurov;and the situation will be very closely monitored, don't forget! 531265;1393358559;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 407 @ 0.00591903 = 2.409 BTC [-] 531266;1393358564;jurov;rest assured :) 531267;1393358681;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 490 @ 0.00591925 = 2.9004 BTC [+] {3} 531268;1393359413;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00591391 = 0.2425 BTC [-] {2} 531269;1393359414;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 24 @ 0.0055 = 0.132 BTC 531270;1393359718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19350 @ 0.0008814 = 17.0551 BTC [+] {2} 531271;1393359840;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 480 @ 0.00571002 = 2.7408 BTC [-] {3} 531272;1393359987;thestringpuller;;;google site: trileme mtgox fractional reserve 531273;1393359988;gribble;No matches found. 531274;1393359994;thestringpuller;;;google site: trilema.com mtgox fractional reserve 531275;1393359995;gribble;Grave concerns re MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/grave-concerns-re-mtgox/>; GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/gpg-contracts>; Full Hacker News: <http://www.fullhn.com/> 531276;1393360317;ThickAsThieves;"Mircea you are one -huge- faggot" 531277;1393360572;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.1175 = 0.235 BTC [+] 531278;1393360696;BingoBoingo;http://www.27bslash6.com/foggot.html 531279;1393360727;ozbot;"I have read your website and it is obviously that your a foggot." 531280;1393360931;benkay;"yes you will" "no i won't fag" 531281;1393361058;ThickAsThieves;lol 531282;1393361117;deadweasel;he's a foghat? 531283;1393361155;deadweasel;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcCNcgoyG_0 531284;1393361156;ozbot;Slow Ride- Foghat (Full Version) - YouTube 531285;1393361167;deadweasel;so, a compliment? 531286;1393361304;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.117 BTC [-] 531287;1393361365;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00597883 = 0.1315 BTC [+] {2} 531288;1393361426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6340 @ 0.00087997 = 5.579 BTC [-] 531289;1393361426;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 174 @ 0.00597887 = 1.0403 BTC [+] {2} 531290;1393361487;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00597895 = 0.4484 BTC [+] 531291;1393361520;deadweasel;.Why, if it isn't my old friend, Mr. McGreg. With a leg for an arm and an arm for a leg.. 531292;1393361548;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.00597897 = 0.8251 BTC [+] {2} 531293;1393361609;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.11749131 = 0.8224 BTC [+] 531294;1393361610;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 229 @ 0.00597899 = 1.3692 BTC [+] {2} 531295;1393361855;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00597898 = 0.2989 BTC [-] {2} 531296;1393361889;mike_c;;;later tell nubbins` ping me for eulorum nameservers 531297;1393361889;gribble;The operation succeeded. 531298;1393361914;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00597899 = 1.4947 BTC [+] 531299;1393362036;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 46 @ 0.0055 = 0.253 BTC 531300;1393362219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.00597897 = 0.5919 BTC [-] 531301;1393362220;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 240 @ 0.00464756 = 1.1154 BTC [-] {2} 531302;1393362280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00088076 = 31.6193 BTC [+] {2} 531303;1393362348;dub;real world gox news feedback thus far "so this is a good time to get in right? 531304;1393362368;Diablo-D3;pretty much. 531305;1393362402;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 214 @ 0.00597897 = 1.2795 BTC [-] 531306;1393362601;BingoBoingo;Derps gonna Derp 531307;1393362603;BingoBoingo;http://www.hsgac.senate.gov/media/majority-media/chairman-carpers-statement-on-insolvency-of-major-bitcoin-exchange 531308;1393362754;twizt;lol 531309;1393362759;twizt;and the banking system is any better 531310;1393362781;twizt;they are just pissed they couldnt use tax payer funds to bailout gox lol 531311;1393362787;TomServo;It's a steamboat not a rowboat 531312;1393362830;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] 531313;1393363012;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00597896 = 0.1973 BTC [-] 531314;1393363092;mike_c;regulation is always effective at keeping unsuspecting "consumers" safe in financial markets. 531315;1393363134;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05999998 = 0.12 BTC [+] 531316;1393363317;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 240 @ 0.00597894 = 1.4349 BTC [-] 531317;1393363378;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 93 @ 0.00597895 = 0.556 BTC [+] 531318;1393363439;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00597894 = 0.2451 BTC [-] 531319;1393363474;benkay;the best way to keep people who shouldn't be playing with dangerous financial instruments from doing so is to just disallow them from it. this is the MPEx model. 531320;1393363622;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.06 = 0.3 BTC [+] 531321;1393363866;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 121 @ 0.00597715 = 0.7232 BTC [+] {2} 531322;1393363927;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.00597799 = 0.3945 BTC [+] 531323;1393364415;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.0059 = 0.118 BTC [-] {2} 531324;1393364476;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.1175 = 1.7625 BTC [+] 531325;1393364477;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.0059 = 0.236 BTC [-] 531326;1393364537;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0059 = 0.295 BTC [-] 531327;1393364661;mircea_popescu;benkay oh i c. 531328;1393364781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00088169 = 31.1237 BTC [+] {2} 531329;1393364859;BingoBoingo;MtGox has barely moved S.MPOE I guess it was much less important than either OpenBSD Charlie Shrem's bong 531330;1393364925;benkay;heh i got that from you, mircea_popescu 531331;1393364940;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 531332;1393364942;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 523.68, Best ask: 524.7, Bid-ask spread: 1.02000, Last trade: 523.68, 24 hour volume: 112246.41622198, 24 hour low: 400.0, 24 hour high: 552.06, 24 hour vwap: 480.668707869 531333;1393364949;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 531334;1393364955;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 31617.24142445 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 523.68, vol: 112246.41622198 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 516.001, vol: 71134.23069 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 523.4, vol: 93598.92141544 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 530.01, vol: 431.92813782 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 540.524633, vol: 27601.08600000 | Volume-weighted last average: 486.862785055 531335;1393364963;mircea_popescu;lol 135 531336;1393364964;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.005898 = 0.118 BTC [-] 531337;1393364977;mircea_popescu;so how's the turing point coming along 531338;1393364989;dexX7;it's frozen for more than 12 or so hours 531339;1393365033;BingoBoingo;Goxlast is going to be 135 forever it seems. Prolly prudent to quote USD/BTC as a percent of Gox last nao. 531340;1393365059;mircea_popescu;i guess it's time for teh halting problem 531341;1393365075;thestringpuller;so at what point does the bot start quoting? 531342;1393365081;thestringpuller;gox is dead what now? options plz 531343;1393365082;mircea_popescu;cads prolly this is better than #math 531344;1393365187;mircea_popescu;and geometric brownian motion is a rather general case of stochastic process. it fits a bunch of natural phenomena. 531345;1393365195;BingoBoingo;Woe unto the poor bastard who sold those Puts to the bot. 531346;1393365209;ThickAsThieves;<BingoBoingo> http://www.hsgac.senate.gov/media/majority-media/chairman-carpers-statement-on-insolvency-of-major-bitcoin-exchange <<< now i just want gox to come back and say ha! we're solvent idjits 531347;1393365270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6617 @ 0.00088108 = 5.8301 BTC [-] 531348;1393365270;cads;I guess I should look into empirical studies to see how applicable it should be considered for options 531349;1393365271;mircea_popescu;"we're solute" 531350;1393365275;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Nah, I just want some IT drone to throw him some Trilema showing that Bitcoin regulated Gox out of existence using only death by exile as a regulatory tool 531351;1393365282;mircea_popescu;cads you can make your own empirical study. pick a stock. 531352;1393365302;cads;yeah I should 531353;1393365306;mircea_popescu;" Today, Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee Chairman Tom Carper (D-Del.) release the following statement" 531354;1393365311;mircea_popescu;i guess no further need for grammar 531355;1393365329;mircea_popescu;for your protection, obama govt abolishes the s on verbs. 531356;1393365336;mircea_popescu;make english more accessible to poor black kids. 531357;1393365353;cads;I believe that's, "release dat following statement"* 531358;1393365371;BingoBoingo;cads: It is da rather than dat 531359;1393365374;Mats_cd03;race hatin mafaka 531360;1393365385;mircea_popescu;followin but yeah. 531361;1393365391;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00588 = 0.441 BTC [-] 531362;1393365392;ThickAsThieves;well the gov is in a perpetual state of release 531363;1393365393;mircea_popescu;anyway teh cheek on this asshat. 531364;1393365399;ThickAsThieves;wording intentional 531365;1393365399;KRS-One;think poor black kids care to use English properly? Hell no honky. 531366;1393365403;mircea_popescu;delusions of grandeur, "steering" my foot. 531367;1393365417;KRS-One;.bait 531368;1393365418;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/dff0b7fe0c41bbf5b7fdf3d238cd2caa/tumblr_msgtkvTI6d1rlo3vko1_400.jpg 531369;1393365431;ThickAsThieves;also missing hyphen on ill-equipped 531370;1393365437;ThickAsThieves;the art of the hyphen is so lost 531371;1393365452;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.1175 = 0.3525 BTC [+] 531372;1393365515;mircea_popescu;anyway, let's compare and contrast for the permanent record : 531373;1393365516;mircea_popescu;http://www.hsgac.senate.gov/media/majority-media/chairman-carpers-statement-on-insolvency-of-major-bitcoin-exchange 531374;1393365523;mircea_popescu;My staff is working closely with relevant federal agencies to determine what lessons can be learned from this failure to help ensure this does not happen here in the United States. 531375;1393365523;mircea_popescu;As any industry matures it will face growing pains and there will be individuals who believe they can use the fog of uncertainty to cover up their follies. When it comes to policy, it is the responsibility of the federal government to steer the boat, not row the boat. Our Committee will continue to work closely with relevant U.S. government entities to steer the boat away from nefarious actors - and its up to l 531376;1393365523;mircea_popescu;egitimate, law abiding industry partners to row the boat into law abiding waters. 531377;1393365524;mircea_popescu;versus 531378;1393365528;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/ 531379;1393365529;ozbot;Digging through archives yields gold pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 531380;1393365539;mircea_popescu;Government sponsored enterprises enter the business, in due course bad behavior is made mandatory, and the evil financial network is bigger than the honest financial network, with the result that even though everyone knows what is happening, people continue to use the paper issued by the evil financial network, because of network effects - the big, main issuers, are the issuers you use if you want to do business. 531381;1393365539;mircea_popescu;Then knowledgeable people complain that the evil financial network is heading for disaster, that the government sponsored enterprises are about to cause a “collapse of the total financial system”, as Wallison and Alan Greenspan complained in 2005, the government debates shrinking the evil government sponsored enterprises, as with “S. 190 [109th]: Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005″ but the 531382;1393365539;mircea_popescu;y find easy money too seductive, and S. 190 goes down in flames before a horde of political activists chanting that easy money is sound, and opposing it is racist, nazi, ignorant, and generally hateful, the recent S. 190 debate on limiting portfolios (bond issue supporting dud mortgages) by government sponsored enterprises being a perfect reprise of the debates on limiting the issue of new assignats in the 1790s. 531383;1393365544;mircea_popescu;The big and easy government attacks on money target a single central money issuer, as with the first of the modern political attacks, the French Assignat of 1792, but in the late nineteenth century political attacks on financial networks began, as for example the Federal reserve act of 1913, the goal always being to wind up the network into a single too big to fail entity, and they have been getting progressively bigge 531384;1393365551;mircea_popescu;r, more serious, and more disastrous, as with the most recent one. Each attack is hugely successful, and after the cataclysm that the attack causes the attackers are hailed as saviors of the poor, the oppressed, and the nation generally, and the blame for the the bad consequences is dumped elsewhere, usually on Jews, greedy bankers, speculators, etc, because such attacks ar 531385;1393365574;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 84 @ 0.00589798 = 0.4954 BTC [+] {2} 531386;1393365614;thestringpuller;The Federal Reserve act was the best thing that ever happened to the US 531387;1393365623;mircea_popescu;because such attacks are difficult for ordinary people understand. I have trouble understanding your proposal - ordinary users will be easily bamboozled by a government sponsored security update. Further, when the crisis hits, to disagree with the line, to doubt that the regulators are right, and the problem is the evil speculators, becomes political suicide, as it did in America in 2007, sometimes physical suicide, a 531388;1393365623;mircea_popescu;s in Weimar Germany. 531389;1393365635;mircea_popescu;aaanyway. 531390;1393365644;mircea_popescu;we're not nor will we ever be socialists. 531391;1393365655;mircea_popescu;the us government, it's agents and assigns are cordially invited to go suck an onion. 531392;1393365658;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: you already predicted the collapse of MtGox for those very reasons 531393;1393365666;thestringpuller;you even WARNED people not to leave money in MtGox 531394;1393365671;thestringpuller;what some 10 months ago? 531395;1393365674;dexX7;http://i.imgur.com/2b8Fec3.jpg 531396;1393365685;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller yes but in typical commie style, the evil empire is trying to turn things around 531397;1393365696;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 737 @ 0.00571275 = 4.2103 BTC [-] {11} 531398;1393365700;mircea_popescu;black is white, up is down, obama vorvarts etc. 531399;1393365705;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: There are also offers for them to try gingering for the buttcoins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gingering 531400;1393365717;thestringpuller;but then you disregard both teh media and what the government states 531401;1393365724;thestringpuller;the media gets it wrong 531402;1393365728;thestringpuller;the government gets it wrong 531403;1393365747;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lol 531404;1393365747;thestringpuller;so just listen to the people who know what they are talkinga bout, don't play into the huxley mentality 531405;1393365750;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yx2t5/erik_voorhees_on_bloomberg_tv/ 531406;1393365751;ozbot;Erik Voorhees on Bloomberg TV : Bitcoin 531407;1393365802;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Seems like a better alternatives to the peppers, Prolly spec any actual offers though to use horse radish rather than ginger for the thick root 531408;1393365826;mircea_popescu;;;google figging 531409;1393365827;gribble;Figging - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figging>; Urban Dictionary: figging: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=figging>; tacit: BDSM: Theory and Practice of Figging: <http://tacit.livejournal.com/225189.html> 531410;1393365835;ThickAsThieves;i have a ginger addiction 531411;1393365893;BingoBoingo;Oh, already a thing. I guess that means there are standards to compare to then. 531412;1393365940;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 815 @ 0.00583951 = 4.7592 BTC [+] {10} 531413;1393365948;mircea_popescu;http://chicagomistresswrestler.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/caning-figging-368x236.png 531414;1393365967;ThickAsThieves;hmm i'm not addicted enough to put it in my butt tho 531415;1393365991;thestringpuller;and this is where I get back to work 531416;1393365992;cads;mircea_popescu: that's kinda awesome 531417;1393366001;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00587499 = 0.47 BTC [+] {2} 531418;1393366010;cads;I was just reading an article on tha 531419;1393366012;mircea_popescu;cads which that ? 531420;1393366025;cads;ginger play :) 531421;1393366059;mircea_popescu;o i c 531422;1393366062;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.00589997 = 0.3658 BTC [+] {4} 531423;1393366063;BingoBoingo;Horseradish seems perfect for this purpose, a bit of a step up on the intensity http://www.photo-dictionary.com/phrase/2281/horseradish.html 531424;1393366068;mircea_popescu;#ginger ? 531425;1393366123;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 419 @ 0.00589998 = 2.4721 BTC [+] {2} 531426;1393366184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00088212 = 19.6713 BTC [+] {2} 531427;1393366184;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00589999 = 0.59 BTC [+] 531428;1393366185;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 133 @ 0.00465 = 0.6185 BTC [+] 531429;1393366245;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 609 @ 0.00589998 = 3.5931 BTC [-] {7} 531430;1393366304;BingoBoingo;Eh, We'll make offers to the next person who wants a Macbook Pro 531431;1393366305;mircea_popescu;benkay https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhWAuE6IAAAVsW9.jpg:large << drones 531432;1393366367;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 434 @ 0.00589998 = 2.5606 BTC [-] {2} 531433;1393366389;BingoBoingo;In other news 'Murica scraps extremely effective tool in favor of Vaporware http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/dod-aims-to-scrap-a-10-to-keep-f-35-alive-in-new-budget/ 531434;1393366410;benkay;robot ships! 531435;1393366415;mircea_popescu;sheeps 531436;1393366429;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 190 @ 0.00589998 = 1.121 BTC [-] 531437;1393366445;benkay;mircea_popescu: are you familiar with SkySails? 531438;1393366447;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'm off. looking forward to reading more derpage from clueless uninvolved people with delusions of self-importance tomorrow. 531439;1393366474;benkay;http://www.skysails.info/english/skysails-marine/ 531440;1393366475;ozbot;SkySails GmbH - SkySails Marine 531441;1393366507;BingoBoingo;benkay: Talk about old tech 531442;1393366550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00589999 = 0.413 BTC [+] {3} 531443;1393366636;benkay;everything old is new again 531444;1393366733;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1175 BTC [+] 531445;1393366736;ThickAsThieves;boat kites are tech? 531446;1393366816;benkay;everything is technology. 531447;1393366829;benkay;you'd be well served by actually reading how they work, ThickAsThieves 531448;1393366916;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.11453543 = 0.2291 BTC [+] {2} 531449;1393366923;nubbins`;and today i learned what figging is 531450;1393366943;BingoBoingo;I'd kind of like to see a modernized on of these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brig 531451;1393366970;BingoBoingo;Blue and Green water capable 531452;1393366977;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.06 = 0.36 BTC [-] 531453;1393366978;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.11463545 = 0.6878 BTC [+] 531454;1393367045;BingoBoingo;I still think though turning a nuclear aircraft carrier into a portable farm could be a fun venture though. 531455;1393367094;ThickAsThieves;<benkay> you'd be well served by actually reading how they work, ThickAsThieves /// i dunno about well-served, but okay 531456;1393367099;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.16230094 = 0.9738 BTC [-] 531457;1393367221;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 462 @ 0.00050097 = 0.2314 BTC [+] 531458;1393367465;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.1175 = 0.235 BTC [+] 531459;1393367526;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 482 @ 0.00088508 = 0.4266 BTC [+] {2} 531460;1393367892;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 296 @ 0.00589999 = 1.7464 BTC [+] 531461;1393368136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00088378 = 17.7198 BTC [+] {2} 531462;1393368319;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06124996 = 0.49 BTC [+] {4} 531463;1393368441;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.1175 = 0.47 BTC [+] 531464;1393368563;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00589999 = 0.59 BTC [+] 531465;1393368624;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00589999 = 0.3304 BTC [+] 531466;1393369173;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00588009 = 0.147 BTC [-] 531467;1393369200;BingoBoingo;https://sites.google.com/site/steveyegge2/tour-de-babel 531468;1393369201;ozbot;tour-de-babel - steveyegge2 531469;1393369417;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00589419 = 3.5365 BTC [+] {2} 531470;1393369449;kakobrekla;http://www.news.com.au/world/tin-cans-filled-with-10-million-in-gold-coins-found-buried-in-california/story-fndir2ev-1226837801851 531471;1393369449;ozbot;Tin cans filled with $10 million in gold coins found buried in California | 531472;1393369453;kakobrekla;for nubbins 531473;1393369600;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.131 = 0.262 BTC [+] 531474;1393369661;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00464745 = 0.395 BTC [-] 531475;1393369685;davout;kakobrekla: oh someone found the stamp engine 531476;1393369699;davout;$10m in tin cans 531477;1393369706;davout;tin cans 531478;1393369708;davout;cans 531479;1393369727;kakobrekla;:D 531480;1393369771;assbot;Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1659499/plain/) 531481;1393369771;kakobrekla;!b 7 531482;1393369783;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 139 @ 0.00587 = 0.8159 BTC [-] 531483;1393370150;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00587 = 0.1761 BTC [-] 531484;1393370637;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33050 @ 0.00088059 = 29.1035 BTC [-] {3} 531485;1393370820;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00587 = 0.1996 BTC [-] 531486;1393370969;BitcoinPropagand;Hey we're raising money to keep making more awesome bitcoin posters, you can check the campaign here: https://www.startjoin.com/bitcoinposters and the designs here: http://bitcoinpropaganda.blogspot.com 531487;1393371102;BitcoinPropagand;The posters are 18x24"(46x61cm) printed in the best quality and shipped to anywhere in the world for $30 531488;1393371125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00088414 = 13.7042 BTC [+] 531489;1393371308;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00587 = 0.2935 BTC [-] 531490;1393371491;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 49 @ 0.0057003 = 0.2793 BTC [-] {2} 531491;1393371857;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00087932 = 26.2037 BTC [-] {2} 531492;1393371973;TomServo;I was surprised to learn the gold coin find already had a website (saddleridgehoard.com) 531493;1393371979;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00570029 = 0.228 BTC [-] {2} 531494;1393372002;TomServo;Also surprised to learn it was reg'd 17-Feb-2014. I still call shenanigans! 531495;1393372193;ThickAsThieves;mod deleted my post of "This more closely resembles a bowel movement." 531496;1393372215;ThickAsThieves;in response to "I believe this is evidence of the social movement we're witnessing." (re: destroying iphones) 531497;1393372231;ThickAsThieves;no poop talk round hea! 531498;1393372391;BingoBoingo;And yet this remains https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=485913.msg5356504#msg5356504 531499;1393372407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00087902 = 10.5482 BTC [-] {2} 531500;1393372528;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1174 BTC [-] 531501;1393372663;MisterE;BingoBoingo: LOL, 4th post is from an ambulance chasing lawyer 531502;1393372820;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Post I linked though was me telling them to get a time machine, because Gox's death should be the 11th least surprising thing in Bitcoin this year. 531503;1393372866;MisterE;never get shit from the Japs 531504;1393372898;MisterE;guess that was what the Gox premium was worth 531505;1393373024;BingoBoingo;Well, the gox premium was worth an inability to withdraw fiat, the gox discount is worth an inability to withdraw BTC. The discount won in the end because People want BTC moar. Free markets at work. 531506;1393373053;lnovy;Mark might have created bitcoin futures, this will be hilarious :) 531507;1393373154;dub;the only thing japanese about gox is tux' dirty panty collection 531508;1393373194;BingoBoingo;I don't think Mark did much other than Highlight why PHP should never touch commands passed to a bitcoin deamon (hopefully not bitcoind for too much longer) 531509;1393373226;BingoBoingo;Jed though invented a lot of things, that Mark gets too much credit for. 531510;1393373259;lnovy;I don't think bitcoin public cares about that much details :) 531511;1393373260;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1175 BTC [+] 531512;1393373302;lnovy;but think about it... yes you can have your coins... for sure... in 2384 ;) 531513;1393373354;lnovy;<MagicalTux> Well, technically speaking it's not "lost" just yet, just 531514;1393373355;lnovy;temporarily unavailable" 531515;1393373365;lnovy;what _else_ could it be? :) 531516;1393373368;BingoBoingo;lnovy: The Bitcoin public is rather small. 531517;1393373381;lnovy;it was :( 531518;1393373429;BingoBoingo;lnovy: No. If anything the actual Bitcoin public has shrank considerably since the fall of 2012 531519;1393373454;lnovy;these are still new ages... 531520;1393373463;BingoBoingo;Of course. 531521;1393373521;BingoBoingo;It is still new ages, but this week a lot of people who though they were "in" Bitcoin realized they never stopped being n00bs in spite of having been around for the great silk road bubble of 2011 531522;1393373557;lnovy;yeah... the only way to learn that the stove is hot is to get burned... 531523;1393373575;lnovy;some people just don't learn :/ 531524;1393373590;d34th;i learned by putting my hand near and feeling the heat 531525;1393373618;lnovy;you don't remember :) heat is heat, pain is pain 531526;1393373638;d34th;getting burnt by a stove isnt true pain 531527;1393373646;d34th;true pain is frying bacon naked 531528;1393373652;lnovy;! 531529;1393373656;d34th;you endure for a sweet reward at the end 531530;1393373688;BingoBoingo;Catch is Gox had no bacon 531531;1393373715;lnovy;Quote #957400 is pending moderation. 531532;1393373815;BingoBoingo;The more you read on GOx the further you push pack the date where red flags became evident in retrospect. 531533;1393373931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.0008816 = 6.612 BTC [+] {2} 531534;1393373931;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 35 @ 0.49677349 = 17.3871 BTC [+] {13} 531535;1393373967;B007;I'm glad I don't have anything in GOX 531536;1393374215;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the people who by all rights ought to be taking some heat, but aren't, are the enablers. 531537;1393374225;asciilifeform;the u.s. media of whom gox is arguably a creature. 531538;1393374270;asciilifeform;and now that it's dead, they will be sure to send the cattle directly to whatever replaces it in scamspace. 531539;1393374298;asciilifeform;(under no circumstances are cattle permitted to wander unguided, mp had a piece on this if i recall) 531540;1393374332;BingoBoingo;Well, If the US media was really that effective at promoting trends from Japan I would expect more emergency room visits from squid and octopus related injuries of the genitalia. Alas... 531541;1393374351;asciilifeform;afaik, gox is japanese solely in the geographic sense. 531542;1393374393;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Even very guided cattle can walk through gaping holes http://deadspin.com/the-cardinals-are-very-embarrassed-by-carlos-martinezs-1530572369 531543;1393374415;BingoBoingo;ozbot 531544;1393374417;BingoBoingo;http://deadspin.com/the-cardinals-are-very-embarrassed-by-carlos-martinezs-1530572369 531545;1393374418;ozbot;The Cardinals Are Very Embarrassed By Carlos Martinez's Wall Of Porn 531546;1393374442;asciilifeform;maybe i'm thick - not sure how this connects 531547;1393374480;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 139 @ 0.00571849 = 0.7949 BTC [-] {3} 531548;1393374481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00088473 = 18.4909 BTC [+] {2} 531549;1393374492;BingoBoingo;A team looking to invest tens of millions over a decade on a 22 year old who can throw a ball hard can't keep one of their bulls from filling their twitter wall full of white girl vaginas 531550;1393374541;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 172 @ 0.00570056 = 0.9805 BTC [-] {2} 531551;1393374542;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.10901011 BTC [-] 531552;1393374558;BingoBoingo;Even very guided cattle will stray 531553;1393374635;BingoBoingo;At least the children who follow him on twitter now know which strike zone he finds most important though. 531554;1393374651;BingoBoingo;MP might probably call that a win. 531555;1393374724;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 531556;1393375078;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/02/25/a-reminder-the-most-important-word-in-bitcoin-again-because-gox/ 531557;1393375080;ozbot;A Reminder – The Most Important Word in Bitcoin, Again because Gox | Bingo Blog 531558;1393375273;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.11461999 = 0.5731 BTC [-] {2} 531559;1393375274;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0600101 = 0.18 BTC [-] 531560;1393375430;mike_c;wot fail 531561;1393375431;mike_c;http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=MagicalTux 531562;1393375432;ozbot;Rating Details for User 'MagicalTux' 531563;1393375465;mike_c;"if we don't trust him, who can we trust? ;)" hehehe 531564;1393375505;Apocalyptic;there is a strong trust link between mircea and MagicalTux btw 531565;1393375519;Apocalyptic;as he trusts nanotube with a 10 who trusts MT with a 7 531566;1393375526;mike_c;yeah, he only has 3 negative ratings. 531567;1393375883;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-] 531568;1393375998;BingoBoingo;;;rate MagicalTux -10 Ran an exchange that failed 531569;1393376000;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user MagicalTux has been recorded. 531570;1393376012;BingoBoingo;NEG RATING PARTY 531571;1393376404;BingoBoingo;Who has slashdot accounts and wants to spread some love? http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3366357 531572;1393376432;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1090011 BTC [-] 531573;1393376562;BingoBoingo;I don't see much Gox neg rating yet... 531574;1393376615;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.102102 = 0.2042 BTC [-] {2} 531575;1393376616;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2} 531576;1393376625;BingoBoingo;;;rate herbijudlestoids 1 n00b with graphs 531577;1393376626;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user herbijudlestoids has been recorded. 531578;1393376657;BingoBoingo;;;rate chatquack 1 didn't make a bad irc bot 531579;1393376659;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user chatquack has been recorded. 531580;1393376676;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.061 = 0.122 BTC [-] {2} 531581;1393376677;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.10205 = 0.2041 BTC [-] {2} 531582;1393376678;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2} 531583;1393376695;BingoBoingo;;;rate moiety 1 attempted the impossible, don't think other people's money was lost 531584;1393376696;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user moiety has been recorded. 531585;1393376777;mike_c;;;rate MagicalTux -2 ran a fractional reserve exchange 531586;1393376778;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -2 for user MagicalTux has been recorded. 531587;1393376811;Jere_Jones;BingoBoingo done 531588;1393376827;BingoBoingo;Jere_Jones mike_c Sweet 531589;1393376859;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC 531590;1393376871;BingoBoingo;mike_c: Remember when you asked me for a sports book recommendation? 531591;1393376875;mike_c;yes 531592;1393376909;BingoBoingo;I took most of my balance out of there. They are cutting down on their offerings a lot. No serious concerns yet, but be careful. 531593;1393376923;mike_c;hm. i will pass it along. a friend of mine was looking. thanks. 531594;1393376925;chatquack;Hey Thanks BingoBoingo. I'm glad ya like him! 531595;1393376950;BingoBoingo;chatquack: You are very welcome. Remember to scroll up and vote on the slashdot submission 531596;1393377103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00087881 = 23.7279 BTC [-] {2} 531597;1393377238;punkman1;"I barely have enough time to eat dinner, shower, and get online to research new cryptocoins to invest in. I have no social life, but this is of my choosing because I can't be bothered to socialize and waste money on a few beers and hang out with friends/women" 531598;1393377282;BingoBoingo;WTF 531599;1393377319;BingoBoingo;Nothing of value has recently happened on a Friday or Saturday other than Altcoin's unveiling 531600;1393377774;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.005701 = 0.3991 BTC [+] {4} 531601;1393377776;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 503 @ 0.00088989 = 0.4476 BTC [+] {2} 531602;1393377896;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.005701 = 0.2508 BTC [+] {2} 531603;1393378445;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00579991 = 0.116 BTC [+] {2} 531604;1393378549;mike_c;http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/just-dice-from-the-beginning/ 531605;1393378549;ozbot;Just-Dice From the Beginning - Btc Alpha 531606;1393378569;mike_c;BingoBoingo: check out that september. what a swing! 531607;1393378628;BingoBoingo;mike_c: On big whale can do it. 531608;1393378636;mike_c;and did. 531609;1393378717;Apocalyptic;"Chris Moore" oh did dooglus go public with his identity at some point ? I missed that 531610;1393378759;mike_c;um, hopefully 531611;1393378778;mike_c;https://twitter.com/dooglus 531612;1393378779;ozbot;Chris Moore (dooglus) on Twitter 531613;1393378782;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: He did quite some time ago 531614;1393378995;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 104 @ 0.00578999 = 0.6022 BTC [-] {3} 531615;1393379057;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 310 @ 0.00588245 = 1.8236 BTC [+] {3} 531616;1393379299;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00589 = 0.212 BTC [+] 531617;1393379791;BingoBoingo;;;rate TradeFortress -5 scammed, dunno if defaulted or robbed, but lost other people's coin 531618;1393379793;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -5 for user TradeFortress has been recorded. 531619;1393379844;KRS-One;heh 531620;1393379944;BingoBoingo;;;rate KRS-One 1 knows what he likes 531621;1393379944;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. 531622;1393379952;BingoBoingo;O.o 531623;1393380053;KRS-One;hey im in there 531624;1393380058;KRS-One;;;ident 531625;1393380058;gribble;Nick 'KRS-One', with hostmask 'KRS-One!~KRS1@c-50-143-86-143.hsd1.fl.comcast.net', is not identified. 531626;1393380202;BingoBoingo;... 531627;1393380214;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 281 @ 0.00589 = 1.6551 BTC [+] {3} 531628;1393380223;BingoBoingo;;;ident KRS1 531629;1393380224;gribble;Nick 'KRS1', with hostmask 'KRS1!~KRS1@c-50-143-86-143.hsd1.fl.comcast.net', is not identified. 531630;1393381068;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 86 @ 0.00589997 = 0.5074 BTC [+] {2} 531631;1393382041;Bugpowder;zerohedge ‏@zerohedge MT. GOX SUBPOENAED BY U.S. PROSECUTOR 531632;1393382105;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 19 @ 0.00589997 = 0.1121 BTC [+] 531633;1393382410;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 71 @ 0.00572005 = 0.4061 BTC [-] {2} 531634;1393382471;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 760 @ 0.00589998 = 4.484 BTC [+] {4} 531635;1393382532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00088292 = 12.9789 BTC [+] 531636;1393382566;Apocalyptic;Bugpowder, nothing on their website 531637;1393382776;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0059 = 0.295 BTC [+] 531638;1393382837;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.0059 = 0.1298 BTC [+] 531639;1393383081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00088238 = 13.8534 BTC [-] {2} 531640;1393383081;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 233 @ 0.0059 = 1.3747 BTC [+] 531641;1393383691;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.0059 = 0.177 BTC [+] 531642;1393383752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00088221 = 8.9985 BTC [-] {2} 531643;1393383875;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.0059 = 0.2655 BTC [+] 531644;1393384240;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.10888889 = 0.98 BTC [-] {5} 531645;1393384423;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] 531646;1393384424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12851 @ 0.00088534 = 11.3775 BTC [+] {2} 531647;1393384545;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.499 BTC [+] 531648;1393384546;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.0059 = 0.2419 BTC [+] 531649;1393384606;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.0059 = 0.4248 BTC [+] 531650;1393384850;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49945 = 0.9989 BTC [+] 531651;1393385666;BingoBoingo;.bait 531652;1393385668;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/39f541fc0f0a260d10cebe45d32a07ef/tumblr_mwb973RVdy1qh7loto1_1280.jpg 531653;1393385704;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00585 = 0.1521 BTC [-] 531654;1393385705;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00534787 = 0.2674 BTC [+] {4} 531655;1393385739;kakobrekla;so jurov bait or not? 531656;1393385756;deadweasel;sharkbait 531657;1393385888;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 531658;1393386192;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 73 @ 0.00535 = 0.3906 BTC [+] 531659;1393386314;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0605 = 0.121 BTC [+] 531660;1393386379;BingoBoingo;Looks like slashdot is close again http://slashdot.org/submission/3366357/mtgox-collapse-should-come-as-no-suprise 531661;1393386680;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00584 = 2.336 BTC [-] 531662;1393386705;kakobrekla;!t h neobee 531663;1393386706;assbot;[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00415000 / 0.00555781 / 0.00598000 (64684 shares, 359.50132705 BTC), 7D: 0.00278000 / 0.00428233 / 0.00598000 (330230 shares, 1414.15426935 BTC), 30D: 0.00257150 / 0.00391709 / 0.00598000 (453584 shares, 1776.72765874 BTC) 531664;1393386741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.0008861 = 32.6971 BTC [+] {4} 531665;1393386934;nubbins`;+1 insightful, bingo 531666;1393386955;Jere_Jones;getting eulora to build on windows is a serious pita 531667;1393386964;nubbins`;getting it to build on osx is a serious pita 531668;1393386967;nubbins`;almost there tho :D 531669;1393386975;BingoBoingo;Thanks nubbins` almost there indeed 531670;1393386985;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.00585 = 0.9945 BTC [+] 531671;1393387004;nubbins`;Jere_Jones: had to get my hands a bit dirty and start modifying code 531672;1393387046;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00585 = 0.1989 BTC [+] 531673;1393387115;Jere_Jones;I'm still fighting with the configure. I have to add a line to touch a file every couple hundred lines because windows is dumb about empty sets. 531674;1393387213;ThickAsThieves;;;rate MagicalTux -10 Caused my father-in-law to call my wife worried about whether I got out of bitcoin before it died. 531675;1393387215;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user MagicalTux has been recorded. 531676;1393387229;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 166 @ 0.00584 = 0.9694 BTC [-] {2} 531677;1393387285;BingoBoingo;lol 531678;1393387324;BingoBoingo;;;rate MagicalTux -10 wanted everybody's personal information, offered none of its 531679;1393387326;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user MagicalTux has changed from -10 to -10. 531680;1393387351;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00584241 = 0.1694 BTC [+] {2} 531681;1393387352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.0008813 = 19.3445 BTC [-] {3} 531682;1393387411;joecool;;;gettrust MagicalTux 531683;1393387412;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 23 @ 0.00585 = 0.1346 BTC [+] 531684;1393387413;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user joecool to user MagicalTux: Level 1: -3, Level 2: 4 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joecool&dest=MagicalTux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=MagicalTux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010 531685;1393387516;BingoBoingo;Oh a wired writer is getting into a conversation 531686;1393387595;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 19 @ 0.00585 = 0.1112 BTC [+] 531687;1393387601;joecool;;;rated mtgox 531688;1393387601;gribble;You rated user mtgox on Sun Nov 24 23:57:46 2013, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: sucks. 531689;1393387611;nubbins`;mention about that guy sudelis or whatever redacting the pdf himself 531690;1393387634;Diablo-D3;http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303880604579405852448992982 531691;1393387635;ozbot;Mt. Gox Receives Subpoena From Federal Prosecutor: Source - WSJ.com 531692;1393387662;nubbins`;selkis 531693;1393387691;mircea_popescu;;;later tell benkay vaguely. 531694;1393387691;gribble;The operation succeeded. 531695;1393387691;nubbins`;i saw his name in an associated press article today 531696;1393387784;joecool;;;rate MagicalTux -9 the single largest contributing factor to negative press on bitcoin and the lack trust of the community, not -10 because kalyhost hasn't burned me yet and I have a bet riding on you going to jail 531697;1393387785;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user MagicalTux has changed from -3 to -9. 531698;1393387817;joecool;o wrong chan 531699;1393387820;joecool;whatever 531700;1393387828;mircea_popescu;joecool lol amusingly i think i wrote last year about how mtgox is the one single worst thing in btc. 531701;1393387831;BingoBoingo;joecool: Well, gribble's here it works 531702;1393387856;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That article is part of the bit I am trying to get on slashdot nao 531703;1393387859;punkman1;wait, someone uses karpeles' hosting? 531704;1393387860;mircea_popescu;oic. 531705;1393387873;mircea_popescu;punkman1 that's nothing, sometimes i see people in btc on linode. 531706;1393387894;joecool;punkman1: registrar 531707;1393387896;Apocalyptic;punkman1, heh 531708;1393387902;[\];hi 531709;1393387935;nubbins`;hi 531710;1393387941;joecool;it's funny how small and quiet the support channel is for it too 531711;1393387944;[\];asl 531712;1393387946;joecool;MT is still sitting in there 531713;1393387953;Apocalyptic;.d 531714;1393387953;ozbot;3.130 billion | Next Diff in 435 blocks | Estimated Change: 20.0629% in 2d 9h 53m 33s 531715;1393387958;[\];its a irc bouncer 531716;1393387963;[\];I wouldn't put too much stock in it 531717;1393387974;nubbins`;18/f/single 531718;1393387977;kakobrekla;not even laughing stock? 531719;1393387978;mircea_popescu;[\\\] you are 12 and what are you doing here 531720;1393387979;nubbins`;i mean usa 531721;1393387986;[\];mircea_popescu: .boobies 531722;1393387994;mircea_popescu;.d erp 531723;1393387996;[\];.bait 531724;1393387997;joecool;[\\\]: does he have it issuing commands regularly, i have not seen idle time of over 2 hours ever 531725;1393387997;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/8afa1c22159f8c9b336dc829a17cef8a/tumblr_mp47uxcB0B1svc1bto1_500.jpg 531726;1393388000;joecool;in the past day or so 531727;1393388008;BingoBoingo;puppies.txt 531728;1393388015;Apocalyptic;""At this stage the relevant financial authorities, the police, the Finance Ministry and others are gathering information on the case,"" 531729;1393388023;mircea_popescu;oic, at THIS stage. 531730;1393388024;[\];Apocalyptic: link 531731;1393388024;Apocalyptic;that escalated quite quickly 531732;1393388030;dexX7;joecool: it's silent, because the channel is muted 531733;1393388031;Apocalyptic;http://www.cnbc.com/id/101446338 531734;1393388032;ozbot;Japan authorities looking into closure of Mt. Gox bitcoin exchange 531735;1393388036;mircea_popescu;god forbid they fucking read trilema gathered shit at THAT stage. 531736;1393388062;joecool;dexX7: not the channel i'm talking about :) 531737;1393388094;joecool;#mtgox has 625, this channel has 12 531738;1393388099;joecool;totally different scale 531739;1393388102;BingoBoingo;Eh, Imma trying to get that April 2013 Trilema on Slashdot, but... weeknights are hard 531740;1393388122;kakobrekla;13 531741;1393388126;joecool;:) 531742;1393388189;Diablo-D3;http://www.cnbc.com/id/101446338, 531743;1393388190;ozbot;Japan authorities looking into closure of Mt. Gox bitcoin exchange 531744;1393388192;Diablo-D3;http://www.cnbc.com/id/101446338 531745;1393388192;ozbot;Japan authorities looking into closure of Mt. Gox bitcoin exchange 531746;1393388198;[\];great 531747;1393388203;[\];as if we didn't have that link already 531748;1393388205;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00087924 = 14.6833 BTC [-] {2} 531749;1393388208;[\];derp 531750;1393388226;BingoBoingo;-assets will get all of the links 531751;1393388243;kakobrekla;trice 531752;1393388285;jcpham;that wickedfire thread is a good read 531753;1393388287;[\];good thing gox has all of pirate's coins. 531754;1393388295;jcpham;+___+++! 531755;1393388297;jcpham;1 531756;1393388315;[\];I know, because copumpkin is still screwing his sister. 531757;1393388321;copumpkin;damn right 531758;1393388328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00087998 = 20.5915 BTC [+] 531759;1393388328;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.10801828 = 1.1882 BTC [-] {4} 531760;1393388329;jcpham;he would've moved to stamp ages ago 531761;1393388329;[\];incest is awesome 531762;1393388336;copumpkin;I only screw sisters 531763;1393388341;[\];your own sisters. 531764;1393388347;jcpham;i never had a sister 531765;1393388356;[\];jcpham: because copumpkin screwed her. 531766;1393388360;BingoBoingo;I though they had Pirate's dollars, because I remember his runaway fail halving value from two digit USD to one digit USD 531767;1393388369;[\];then she became your mother, not your sister. 531768;1393388391;Mats_cd03;would you be my father 531769;1393388403;[\];nah, she swallows now 531770;1393388413;Mats_cd03;do you swallow 531771;1393388416;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla "in triplicate" 531772;1393388435;mircea_popescu;[\\\] what mtgox does have is all that's left of bitcoinica coins 531773;1393388440;jcpham;copumpkin you FUCKED MY SISTER?!?! 531774;1393388442;mircea_popescu;which will be so lulzy if it isn't already 531775;1393388443;KRS1;.bait 531776;1393388444;jcpham;what abstard move 531777;1393388444;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/dc31b110863128d01be6823634e590de/tumblr_mwhz2zcJjX1rr5x73o1_1280.jpg 531778;1393388445;copumpkin;yeah 531779;1393388466;jcpham;mircea_popescu i'm thinking mtgox is scam 531780;1393388472;jcpham;i dunno though 531781;1393388477;mircea_popescu;best buy some debt 531782;1393388485;BingoBoingo;MtGox Scamming since 2010 531783;1393388491;KRS1;haha 531784;1393388504;jcpham;lolololol 531785;1393388506;[\];guess its time to set up a new asset on glbse to sell gox debt 531786;1393388518;[\];where's goat when you need him? he's good at that. 531787;1393388520;KRS1;lol \\\ 531788;1393388522;jcpham;havelock requires credentials 531789;1393388526;jcpham;so it's out 531790;1393388535;BingoBoingo;When does MPEX list SYN.GOX 531791;1393388539;[\];jcpham: keepass will make as many credentials that you need 531792;1393388541;nubbins`;what are credentials, anyway! 531793;1393388550;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 531794;1393388555;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 562.99, vol: 104844.03125090 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 552.861, vol: 64325.15053 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 564.25, vol: 82686.21481199 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 562.8768, vol: 24690.89200000 | Volume-weighted last average: 561.000604912 531795;1393388562;jcpham;[\\\] did you check out teespring 531796;1393388566;jcpham;for the shirt 531797;1393388569;[\];nope 531798;1393388571;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.0059 = 1.475 BTC [+] 531799;1393388577;[\];I figured someone beat me to market 531800;1393388581;jcpham;same thing as the thing you were doing 531801;1393388591;jcpham;but you can crowd fund the hirt 531802;1393388594;jcpham;*shirt 531803;1393388604;[\];do they accept bitcoins and allow me to make a large markup? 531804;1393388607;jcpham;so like it's paul graham YC thing 531805;1393388615;jcpham;sell it back ot them 531806;1393388617;nubbins`;i accept bitcoins and allow you to make a large markup 531807;1393388620;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo moar like ACK.GOX 531808;1393388625;jcpham;or nubbins` 531809;1393388638;BingoBoingo;Lol 531810;1393388648;[\];how about got.gox 531811;1393388651;jcpham;nubbins` this shirt: http://www.customink.com/designs/goxyubikey/gjk0-000z-hs5a/twt 531812;1393388656;jcpham;no infringing logos 531813;1393388669;jcpham;how much shirt in btc 531814;1393388674;jcpham;*per shirt 531815;1393388675;BingoBoingo;Maybe someone can pull a Deprived SYN.GOX vs. ACK.GOX 531816;1393388677;nubbins`;heh 531817;1393388683;nubbins`;i like em 531818;1393388693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.0059 = 0.1829 BTC [+] 531819;1393388698;[\];aww 531820;1393388699;jcpham;yeah let's do it 531821;1393388701;nubbins`;jcpham, depends on quantity 531822;1393388702;[\];now the ideas been hatched 531823;1393388703;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: How much do you charge for bespoke t-shirts again? 531824;1393388706;jcpham;i'll fund it 531825;1393388712;nubbins`;BingoBoingo: depends on quantity ;D 531826;1393388712;jcpham;or some of it 531827;1393388746;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Singles + unique art. Baseball season is coming up. I need a goal to gamble that purse up to. 531828;1393388776;nubbins`;a single shirt with a one-color print is around $75 531829;1393388782;nubbins`;with artwork provided by you 531830;1393388807;nubbins`;lots of setup time ;) 531831;1393388836;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: So If I also commisioned you to art it up on top of that how much could a t-shirt cost? 531832;1393388842;jcpham;we need to get like a simple site online asap for it 531833;1393388852;jcpham;i'm setting up a shopify site now for it 531834;1393388866;KRS1;<MagicaITux> guys dont worry gox is coming back buy more btc 531835;1393388871;jcpham;that takes to long 531836;1393388881;nubbins`;design is $45/h, so it depends what you're looking for 531837;1393388883;jcpham;single color. single color logo 531838;1393388897;jcpham;i can zinodaur to do something 531839;1393388911;jcpham;let's see if he's online 531840;1393388916;jcpham;what time is it in romania 531841;1393388942;[\];http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2014/02/25/101444036-474778471.530x298.jpg?v=1393339121 531842;1393388945;[\];dude's a glasshole 531843;1393388964;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: A Bulldozer, fuelled by whiskey and regret. I'm not ordering until baseball makes the money, but I need a goal to bet to. 531844;1393388983;nubbins`;heh. 531845;1393389043;nubbins`;call it an even $150 and i'll print you extras out of the change 531846;1393389045;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Ans what if we skip the T-shirt and print on fancy bedsheets for a toga instead? 531847;1393389049;nubbins`;HEH 531848;1393389078;BingoBoingo;I wonder if actual Tyrian purple is still a thing 531849;1393389081;nubbins`;i'd have to price the sheets, what sort of thread count does sir require? 531850;1393389120;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.0008788 = 4.394 BTC [-] 531851;1393389125;BingoBoingo;SInce we are pricing for the impending baseball seasons lets assume no threads, all Chamois 531852;1393389135;nubbins`;nice, good choice 531853;1393389151;BingoBoingo;Purple chamois, orange silkscreen 531854;1393389175;nubbins`;that'll be stylish 531855;1393389181;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 175 @ 0.0059 = 1.0325 BTC [+] {2} 531856;1393389182;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.10800014 = 0.432 BTC [-] 531857;1393389227;BingoBoingo;I'd go to all of the Toga partys in the Midwest and get all of the well entitted 19 year olds 531858;1393389241;KRS1;Mmm 531859;1393389242;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.0059 = 0.3835 BTC [+] 531860;1393389252;KRS1;.bait 531861;1393389253;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/33dfe4d7ed36b2d14297562dfeb1ebb3/tumblr_mwv6yswT9D1s0yhsio1_1280.jpg 531862;1393389304;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.10800027 = 1.728 BTC [+] {4} 531863;1393389327;BingoBoingo;KRS1: Thinking a bit less european and quite a bit trashier 531864;1393389914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00088478 = 11.9003 BTC [+] {3} 531865;1393389974;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 344 @ 0.00586511 = 2.0176 BTC [-] {2} 531866;1393390035;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.0058487 = 2.047 BTC [-] {3} 531867;1393390036;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 147 @ 0.0055 = 0.8085 BTC 531868;1393390096;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00583695 = 0.3502 BTC [-] {2} 531869;1393390116;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/DadBoner/status/438472711493275648 531870;1393390116;ozbot;Twitter / DadBoner: Kroger manager said, "Did you ... 531871;1393390157;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00577674 = 0.3235 BTC [-] {2} 531872;1393390162;asciilifeform;on activists, 'equality', etc. with english subs. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTfw5jDK94Y&app=desktop 531873;1393390195;asciilifeform;(paging mircea_popescu!) 531874;1393390216;mircea_popescu;hehe writing an article right now, knee deep in the clouds and whatnot. 531875;1393390218;mircea_popescu;but inasec. 531876;1393390566;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2014#531372 kako srsly, still with the motherfucking quotes ?! 531877;1393390569;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 531878;1393390658;cads;hey mircea_popescu, is there a simple terms explanation for what it means for a brownian process B(t) to be adapted relative to a filtration F_t? I understand that it means that for each t B(t) is F_t measurable, that is, B(t) is always fully measurable against the data F_t carries. In particular we do not require events available only to some future refinement F_s of the filtration. 531879;1393390749;cads;I'm wondering where does the filtration come from to begin with. 531880;1393390817;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Very informative. 531881;1393390848;cads;I think I could see that the family of stopping times of a given process might let us create a filtration that other processes could be adapted to. 531882;1393390870;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not sure if 'informative' is the word, but educational, perhaps. 531883;1393391103;cads;Oh, all processes have natural filtrations. 531884;1393391116;BingoBoingo;Well, one thing I remember vividly from undergrad is that the nepali students were some of the chillest people on campus, but woe unto the football player who took a fancy to a Nepali girl and was then introduced to a cricket bat. 531885;1393391804;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.0058 = 0.435 BTC [+] 531886;1393391819;asciilifeform;;;rate MagicalTux -10 pathetic Judas Goat. 531887;1393391820;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user MagicalTux has been recorded. 531888;1393391832;mircea_popescu;since i was digging records : 531889;1393391833;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2013&bots=true#93021 531890;1393391835;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 531891;1393391840;mircea_popescu;"Effective immediately, we are discontinuing all business operations pending a business model review. At this time we are unsure when, and if we will resume operations in the future." 531892;1393391842;mircea_popescu;guess the venue. 531893;1393391889;BingoBoingo;Vircurex 531894;1393391911;BingoBoingo;Vircurex used AurumExchange for USD and EU deposits 531895;1393392004;mircea_popescu;was aurum but hey. 531896;1393392033;BingoBoingo;Well, AurumExchange was one of those liberty reserve outposts. 531897;1393392051;BingoBoingo;Bitpay was willing to pay into them so they at least had a bong 531898;1393392170;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1169 @ 0.00573669 = 6.7062 BTC [-] {8} 531899;1393392330;MisterE;any of you get burned on your shorts yesterday? 531900;1393392338;MisterE;KRS1: I'm looking at you :p 531901;1393392414;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2500 @ 0.00084022 = 2.1006 BTC [-] {8} 531902;1393392443;asciilifeform;'Effective immediately, we are discontinuing all breathing pending an atmospheric gas review. At this time we are unsure when, and if we will resume breathing in the future.' 531903;1393392451;asciilifeform;StercumExchange (tm) 531904;1393392472;MisterE;seems reasonable, it is a nuisance 531905;1393392479;MisterE;like bathing and food 531906;1393392523;BingoBoingo;.d 531907;1393392523;ozbot;3.130 billion | Next Diff in 429 blocks | Estimated Change: 19.9917% in 2d 8h 50m 18s 531908;1393392533;BingoBoingo;Everything is a nuisance nao. 531909;1393392536;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 355 @ 0.00584348 = 2.0744 BTC [+] {3} 531910;1393392601;MisterE;BingoBoingo: what you up to? 531911;1393392637;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Enjoying sweet Gox death and hoping for Slashot victory 531912;1393392679;MisterE;heh I guess that makes 2 of us 531913;1393392686;MisterE;and update on the /. front? 531914;1393392698;BingoBoingo;MisterE: I have this package of patented dense -assets knowledge sitting on orage and waiting http://slashdot.org/submission/3366357/mtgox-collapse-should-come-as-no-suprise 531915;1393393573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00087927 = 13.8045 BTC [-] 531916;1393393817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2808 @ 0.0008788 = 2.4677 BTC [-] 531917;1393393864;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/a-compendium-of-basic-points-about-bitcoin-for-the-benefit-of-various-confused-noobs/ 531918;1393393865;ozbot;A compendium of basic points about Bitcoin for the benefit of various confused noobs. pe Trilema - U 531919;1393393870;mircea_popescu;if anyone sees anything missing... 531920;1393393878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6292 @ 0.00087803 = 5.5246 BTC [-] 531921;1393393961;mircea_popescu;cads im not even sure. 531922;1393393966;mircea_popescu;perhaps brigher minds could advise. 531923;1393394000;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 128 @ 0.00088929 = 0.1138 BTC [+] {2} 531924;1393394061;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.005879 = 0.294 BTC [+] 531925;1393394062;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.0008891 = 0.1778 BTC [-] 531926;1393394071;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Seems thorough. 531927;1393394183;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.132 BTC [+] 531928;1393394197;nubbins`;actually got eulora compiled! but forgot to install a ton of required crystalspace libraries... so didn't get much other than a white screen with "welcome to eulora 0.0.4" 531929;1393394200;nubbins`;but... progress 531930;1393394217;mircea_popescu;nubbins` wd! 531931;1393394222;mircea_popescu;i hear wiki too ? 531932;1393394239;BingoBoingo;The april 2013 trilema article on GOx is about to make slashdot frontpage. 531933;1393394253;mircea_popescu;cool 531934;1393394264;nubbins`;yeah mike_c is sorting out hosting, i've got a saucy domain name reg'd 531935;1393394280;BingoBoingo;I mean unless @magicaltux does the manual sorting 531936;1393394305;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.0047 = 0.1598 BTC [+] 531937;1393394376;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform re your video : it made me think of this caragiale piece (playwright, 1800s) : http://www.ilcaragiale.eu/opere/momente_si_schite/intelectualii.html 531938;1393394386;mircea_popescu;" Sunt chelneri cari, dupa cat au prins pe apucate din dezbaterile si conferintele intelectualilor, pot face mart pe un profesor de universitate, mai ales daca l-or lua repede." 531939;1393394406;bitcoinpete;Howdy y'all 531940;1393394422;mircea_popescu;"there are waiters who, from all they've heard from conversations and debates of intellectuals, could put away a university professor, especially should they proceed quickly" 531941;1393394427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6675 @ 0.00087803 = 5.8609 BTC [-] 531942;1393394427;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1673 @ 0.00018499 = 0.3095 BTC [+] {3} 531943;1393394443;mircea_popescu;mart specifically refers to the loss in backgammon when you lose without having taken out any of your own pieces. 531944;1393394445;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete heya 531945;1393394497;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/bobmcmillan/status/438521842358177793 happened 531946;1393394498;ozbot;Twitter / bobmcmillan: "Having Mt. Gox shut down is ... 531947;1393394500;bitcoinpete;Been a few, but I've been up on the logs 531948;1393394532;bitcoinpete;And I did that blog thing again 531949;1393394540;bitcoinpete;Perhaps also for noobs 531950;1393394543;BingoBoingo;Oh, link again? 531951;1393394545;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/matters-of-merchant-adoption/ 531952;1393394546;ozbot;Matters of Merchant Adoption | When Bitcoin Met Pete 531953;1393394611;bitcoinpete;Hardly revelatory, but it's a reassessment of sorts of my previous notion that one should ever try to make "bitcoin more accessible" 531954;1393394630;bitcoinpete;Which was a strange mental default I had to correct 531955;1393394630;BingoBoingo;It is an important step forward though 531956;1393394693;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this probably wasn't the purpose of 'compendium of basic points...,' but now i'm marvelling over the ancient forum garbage 531957;1393394710;asciilifeform;did some chump really build a whatever-the-fuck with a set of leaked sources? 531958;1393394732;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Can they build any other way? 531959;1393394753;asciilifeform;and if so, why weren't the obligatory logic bombs set off 531960;1393394772;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not advantageous enough yet? 531961;1393394775;asciilifeform;(or, are we to think that scammers write honest code) 531962;1393394793;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. 531963;1393394795;asciilifeform;and did all of this shit really go down, or was it a dream. 531964;1393394806;mircea_popescu;bitfinex (the thing which now is misreported as > 30% of the bitcoin average usd price) 531965;1393394816;mircea_popescu;is built out of taking the leaked bitcoinica sources and running them 531966;1393394830;mircea_popescu;they were (illegally) leaked by amir taaki, who in he process exposed sensitive passwords 531967;1393394836;mircea_popescu;which resulted in the 3rd theft from there 531968;1393394846;asciilifeform;lol! 531969;1393394847;mircea_popescu;and in no case was he authorised to "make open source" the codebase 531970;1393394851;BingoBoingo;The mysterious antiques dealer 531971;1393394861;mircea_popescu;which is currently the only asset some new zealand executor has to try and repay the creditors 531972;1393394870;mircea_popescu;to the tune of i forged, but 10's of k's of btc 531973;1393394879;mircea_popescu;(mtgox also had some funds held "in escrow" from that debacle, 531974;1393394890;mircea_popescu;which it had been consistently refused to turn out to said executor) 531975;1393394895;mircea_popescu;for the obvious reasons. 531976;1393394918;BingoBoingo;At least New Zealand tries to earn the money back http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlcIKh6sBtc 531977;1393394955;asciilifeform;perhaps these folks belong in a large glass jar. where they are to feed upon one another, and the last one remaining to be extracted and will perhaps be good for something. 531978;1393395004;BingoBoingo;I dunno that I'd have made it out of a decent glass jar. I mean I initially came here from Bitcointalk 531979;1393395027;asciilifeform;not everyone into the jar. just them. 531980;1393395029;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the reason i always encourage people to read the history is quite this : endlessly fascinatingly amusing thing. 531981;1393395053;mircea_popescu;like a perpetual morning after. "did what ?!" 531982;1393395062;bitcoinpete;going to bubble tea, yup, bubble tea… be back 531983;1393395087;benkay;bubble tea 531984;1393395091;benkay;balls in your mouth 531985;1393395096;benkay;never figured that tone out 531986;1393395139;BingoBoingo;So many mistakes I could have made, but so much more money I could have had even losing to those mistakes 531987;1393395146;nubbins`;remember "orbits"? 531988;1393395155;BingoBoingo;The problem is a need for time machines 531989;1393395161;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fascinating, to a point. children playing with detcord. 531990;1393395161;mircea_popescu;lmao 531991;1393395226;BingoBoingo;Detcord isn't that bad 531992;1393395252;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform precisely. 531993;1393395281;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00087922 = 8.6164 BTC [+] 531994;1393395304;asciilifeform;was the cribbed source even interesting in some way? 531995;1393395321;asciilifeform;or just the usual 'work is too much like work, let's crib it all' 531996;1393395364;nubbins`;"hey, why reinvent the wheel?" 531997;1393395419;asciilifeform;(this tale has me in an especially dour mood, given that not long ago i sent a once-promising client packing because he brought in a mountain of artlessly cribbed open source code.) 531998;1393395580;BingoBoingo;I am the wheel, you seriously don't want to deal with me. You need to reinvent me. 531999;1393395592;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/a-compendium-of-basic-points-about-bitcoin-for-the-benefit-of-various-confused-noobs/#footnote_0_52959 << added that which i regret i forgot on the first pass 532000;1393395593;ozbot;A compendium of basic points about Bitcoin for the benefit of various confused noobs. pe Trilema - U 532001;1393395595;mircea_popescu;i am sloppy ;/. 532002;1393395606;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the cribbed source was interesting, yes, in the way of humor. 532003;1393395623;MisterE;what is cribbed in American? 532004;1393395624;mircea_popescu;have you read the leaked discussions about the historical operation of bitcoinica ? 532005;1393395631;asciilifeform;nope 532006;1393395633;mircea_popescu;it;s linked from the recent mtgox article, because it's the same pattern 532007;1393395636;mircea_popescu;self trading at a loss. 532008;1393395663;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: self trading at a loss << arse-mouth system. 532009;1393395674;asciilifeform;thermodynamically doomed 532010;1393395677;BingoBoingo;But Bitcoinica had relic hunterz!!!! 532011;1393395679;mircea_popescu;myeah. 532012;1393395696;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ironically... relics ? scavenger world ? thermodynamically doomed ? 532013;1393395723;mircea_popescu;this, incidentally, is the core and the whole of nsa's value proposition : people sign, subtly, but definitely, what they do. 532014;1393395730;nubbins`;MisterE: baseball 532015;1393395739;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: indeed 532016;1393395769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00088029 = 11.7959 BTC [+] {2} 532017;1393395780;mircea_popescu;course in a sense nsa as it is stands in a relation to nsa-as-thus-described about roughly as that merry bunch of Meriwether's thieves stood with THEIR sensible value proposition 532018;1393395782;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Any sporting analogy is best as a baseball analogy, the greatest precision is there. Even if the metric is love of the cunts 532019;1393395800;mircea_popescu;as explained in http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ : "LTCM collected over one billion dollars in capital. If youve been following up to here you probably have a question in your mind : what in the world were they going to do with a billion of their own money ? Good question. The fund had access to heavy leverage, as high as 100:1 in many cases. One billion leveraged 100:1 means one hundred billio 532020;1393395800;mircea_popescu;n, and turn it any way you please theres not going to be room for deplyoing a hundred billion in capital for the purpose of arbitraging minute differences between the 29 y T and the current T. There just cant be. 532021;1393395800;mircea_popescu;So they started dicking around with stock options, betting on mergers, the works. " 532022;1393395812;mircea_popescu;basically, they had a good idea, got too much resources, fucked up. 532023;1393395820;asciilifeform;channelling herr naggum: 'It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.' 532024;1393395850;BingoBoingo;This is wy I bet on sporting events, I know I can lose. 532025;1393395959;BingoBoingo;puppies.txt 532026;1393395977;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bitcoinpete you should get into the wot and remind me to put you in the bloglist sometime. 532027;1393395978;gribble;The operation succeeded. 532028;1393396008;BingoBoingo;;;later tell chatquack I put you in the WOT start blogging already 532029;1393396008;gribble;The operation succeeded. 532030;1393396020;nubbins`;crystal space is a massive build 532031;1393396078;chetty;yeah CS is huge 532032;1393396092;mircea_popescu;it's been working out. 532033;1393396105;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: I am starting this baseball betting venture with one hundredth of a bitcoin. Remember that I can not help it if appreciation makes the logistics you dislike a reality. 532034;1393396128;Jere_Jones;I found building CS to be the easy part. 532035;1393396135;nubbins`;BingoBoingo, i'm pretty zen about most things 532036;1393396139;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/ 532037;1393396140;ozbot;BitBet - BTC/USD at MtGox will be above $150 on Mar 1st 2014 532038;1393396141;mircea_popescu;so that's a lock now. 532039;1393396143;nubbins`;Jere_Jones: easy, just takes so long 532040;1393396148;BingoBoingo;I wonder if Zhou tong ever itches? 532041;1393396159;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: And the weighting is the best part 532042;1393396169;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo well it's closed by now anyway 532043;1393396183;BingoBoingo;The right answer is obvious, but betting agaisnt it can't pay 532044;1393396187;nubbins`;thank fuck for macports, i wouldn't have gotten anywhere with apple's fork of LLVM 532045;1393396249;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you ever found the problem or just nonspecific kludge ? 532046;1393396290;nubbins`;never nailed it down, was easier to just install gcc-4.6 and use that 532047;1393396305;nubbins`;no sense trying to bring a totally different toolchain into the mix 532048;1393396306;mircea_popescu;not surprising. 532049;1393396355;mircea_popescu;http://www.voxeu.org/article/german-court-decision-legal-authority-and-deep-power-implications 532050;1393396356;ozbot;German Court decision: Legal authority and deep power implications | vox 532051;1393396362;mircea_popescu;germanz just ruled ecb may not act as lender of last resort. 532052;1393396544;mircea_popescu;"Its tempting to dismiss the decision as incomprehensible legalese or the inability of justices to understand that contemporary financial systems rely on a powerful lender or dealer of last resort to weather financial crises." 532053;1393396545;mircea_popescu;derp. 532054;1393396555;mircea_popescu;" this is a bid for power and the return to the pre-crisis paradigm of " 532055;1393396556;mircea_popescu;derp. 532056;1393396579;mircea_popescu;basically the consensus of idiots in fiat is that somehow magically the laws of nature have been cancelled for the sake of convenience. 532057;1393396932;BingoBoingo;GO GO GADGET BITCOINSACHS 532058;1393396947;chetty;idiots think man can overrule nature with their 'laws' 532059;1393396953;KRS1;go go bait 532060;1393396954;KRS1;.bait 532061;1393396955;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/1dbdf72d9ae5a578dbcf945e2bc4cd94/tumblr_mg2axxCOYL1r3bnmvo1_1280.jpg 532062;1393396974;BingoBoingo;Depends on which laws and the context 532063;1393397035;BingoBoingo;On that last .bait I see tits, but there is also a screaming cyst that needs lanced and dranied 532064;1393397076;mircea_popescu;"Founder @dailymuse, YC alum, Inc 15 Women to Watch in Tech 2012, Advisor @hackbright, Productivity expert, Parisian, Former McKinsey, avid cyclist" 532065;1393397077;mircea_popescu;i wonder what the thought process is when some chick ends up putting on her 2 line resume "i was a X to watch in 2102" 532066;1393397077;mircea_popescu;doesn't the observation that "soo... if i had been watching you since 2012 i'd have seen nothing ?" come to them at all ? 532067;1393397081;mircea_popescu;are these people actually dumb ? 532068;1393397087;mircea_popescu;but i mean if you have two alcoholic bums sitting on a garbage dumpster somewhere 532069;1393397087;mircea_popescu;one who is nothing 532070;1393397087;mircea_popescu;and the other who is an alumni of "15 aluminum salesmen to watch in 2012" 532071;1393397093;mircea_popescu;wouldn't you say the 2nd is much worse a failure ? 532072;1393397130;nubbins`;heh 532073;1393397135;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo where's the cyst ? 532074;1393397149;nubbins`;armpit? i think that's not a cyst 532075;1393397153;mircea_popescu;that's fat imo 532076;1393397157;BingoBoingo;Left armpit, the purple prominence 532077;1393397159;nubbins`;certainly not screaming 532078;1393397164;mircea_popescu;she's losing weight 532079;1393397176;mircea_popescu;its colored cause shaved irritation 532080;1393397193;nubbins`;i had a massive cyst on my back once 532081;1393397195;MisterE;mircea_popescu: ime most people are dumb until proven otherwise 532082;1393397210;MisterE;happens nubbins` thats not a bad lace 532083;1393397213;MisterE;place 532084;1393397215;nubbins`;when it finally got drained there was like a shot glass full of stuff pulled out of it 532085;1393397216;BingoBoingo;Maybe irritation, but definitely inflamed more than the prominence of the humerous calls for 532086;1393397219;MisterE;try in your groin or neck 532087;1393397239;MisterE;BingoBoingo: what's up I was a paramedic for 3-years 532088;1393397247;MisterE;in the US 532089;1393397262;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem/status/438539797205118976 << BingoBoingo check it out 532090;1393397263;ozbot;Twitter / CharlieShrem: Just created a #dogecoin wallet ... 532091;1393397273;mircea_popescu;lots and lots of further opportunities for maturity 532092;1393397290;MisterE;nubbins`: that's nothing, when I had to do my prctical training hours I helped to drain a lot of cysts and some produce by the liter 532093;1393397290;BingoBoingo;I dun want to fight credentials, but it look's like there are already two candidate sinuses 532094;1393397300;nubbins`;gross 532095;1393397304;nubbins`;such a smell, too 532096;1393397309;nubbins`;that shit attracts ticks 532097;1393397310;MisterE;it was indeed 532098;1393397322;MisterE;man you have no idea the smells of the human body 532099;1393397355;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00087874 = 34.183 BTC [-] {4} 532100;1393397377;MisterE;one of the worst run was a girl who accidentally blew half her boyfriend's head off with a .44 at a shooting range, was totally prepared for smell 532101;1393397382;MisterE;those 44s have a very soft pul 532102;1393397385;MisterE;l 532103;1393397385;nubbins`;speaking of smells of the human body, one of my roommates took a shit this morning and left a streak on the toilet seat 532104;1393397393;MisterE;bastard 532105;1393397396;nubbins`;i know 532106;1393397400;BingoBoingo;44's always have a soft pull 532107;1393397401;nubbins`;told him about it 532108;1393397402;MisterE;you should leave a streak on his pillow 532109;1393397412;nubbins`;he says "i don't think so... but i'll clean it when i get home from work" 532110;1393397421;MisterE;ok thats reasonable 532111;1393397421;nubbins`;as if we'd just leave it there for 10 hours 532112;1393397429;mircea_popescu;nubbins` how many roomates you got ?! 532113;1393397431;MisterE;he doesn't sound like a total jerk 532114;1393397435;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, wife and 2 others 532115;1393397441;mircea_popescu;wow 532116;1393397445;nubbins`;they're rarely home. haven't seen one of them in 3 weeks 532117;1393397447;MisterE;lol I like how he incudes the wife 532118;1393397460;mircea_popescu;nubbins` so you live with silk road funder ? 532119;1393397462;MisterE;as if shecould be out for not paying rent :D 532120;1393397507;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: silk road 3.11 for workgroups 532121;1393397515;nubbins`;i think that's what it's at now? 532122;1393397521;mircea_popescu;something like that ya 532123;1393397526;nubbins`;MisterE: hey, she owns all the bitcoins 532124;1393397572;nubbins`;i might be the one out when they hit 5k ;D 532125;1393397587;MisterE;hehe 532126;1393397597;MisterE;trade up! 532127;1393397638;BingoBoingo;I honestly want to take bets on what would culture out of that cyst 532128;1393397654;nubbins`;we'll never know 532129;1393397688;MisterE;what a loss to science and society 532130;1393397695;MisterE;shame 532131;1393397736;BingoBoingo;I'd put some money on pseumonanas 532132;1393397794;mircea_popescu;pseudomonas ? 532133;1393397857;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It is a long shot, but it fits the armpit environment well as a genus 532134;1393397883;mircea_popescu;speaking of which : pseudomonas putida is the first living thing that was "patented" according to the us courts. 532135;1393397890;mircea_popescu;lulziest shit ever. 532136;1393397900;MisterE;Stupid Harvard MBA is stupid 532137;1393397904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00087993 = 5.3676 BTC [+] 532138;1393397910;MisterE;sorry w/c 532139;1393397940;benkay;may the patenteers all find themselves impaled on golden spikes 532140;1393397953;BingoBoingo;I was kind of hoping someone would catch that 532141;1393397963;mircea_popescu;this thing is valuable because it can break down pretty much anything 532142;1393397978;mircea_popescu;it can live off caffeine. it can break down polystyrene 532143;1393397995;BingoBoingo;Much scarier than VRE for sure 532144;1393398007;mircea_popescu;generaly pseudomonas sp is a good bet for BingoBoingo's purposes cause they're pretty metabolically diverse. 532145;1393398052;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: indeed any culture platter they can own enough to make their genetic markers known. 532146;1393398133;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: i'm to see you for a login account? 532147;1393398425;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/bGBRONP 532148;1393398425;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 532149;1393398428;nubbins`;^ it worked :D 532150;1393398449;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu will do, ty 532151;1393398489;nubbins`;it picks up mouse clicks but not keyboard input -- but it's very late and i think i've earned a nap, will poke some more tomorrow 532152;1393398503;BingoBoingo;pseudomonas does indeed lead to some nasty opportunistic infections though 532153;1393398549;BingoBoingo;Of the sort where painting on Staph Aureus and hoping for the best seems like a sheat from heaven. 532154;1393398743;bitcoinpete;Do any of the -asseters live in Brussels or London by chance? I'm heading to Brussels tomorrow and London by the weekend. Have some free time 532155;1393398796;BingoBoingo;So... Maybe I should have tried for sunday night again on this. Slash mods are swfully flaky. http://slashdot.org/submission/3366357/mtgox-collapse-should-come-as-no-suprise 532156;1393398811;bitcoinpete;;;ident [<bitcoinpete>] 532157;1393398811;gribble;Error: "<bitcoinpete>" is not a valid command. 532158;1393398830;bitcoinpete;;;ident bitcoinpete 532159;1393398831;gribble;Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is not identified. 532160;1393398930;bitcoinpete;for php registration is the "pgp long id" the fingerprint, key id, or something else…? 532161;1393398945;bitcoinpete;pgp* goodness 532162;1393398990;Duffer1;;;eauth / ;;everify 532163;1393399013;Duffer1;is that what you're asking? 532164;1393399097;bitcoinpete;ya 532165;1393399110;BingoBoingo;;;puppies.txt 532166;1393399111;gribble;Error: "puppies.txt" is not a valid command. 532167;1393399125;bitcoinpete;;;register too 532168;1393399125;gribble;(register <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes. 532169;1393399137;bitcoinpete;oh 532170;1393399175;bitcoinpete;;;register bitcoinpete165749929F9A6BDD 532171;1393399175;gribble;(register <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes. 532172;1393399198;bitcoinpete;;;register bitcoinpete 165749929F9A6BDD 532173;1393399201;gribble;Request successful for user bitcoinpete, hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:18734ee36446b6cc0398dc32a80c3bb1d3217aad8b2666f6ab017248 532174;1393399220;BingoBoingo;So.. Guess wht I found out this weekend. 532175;1393399260;Duffer1;what did you find out this weekend BingoBoingo? 532176;1393399315;BingoBoingo;Duffer1: During one of my grad school stints I lived in the super mega ghetto http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/local/columbia-firefighter-dies-working-at-scene-of-walkway-collapse/article_fc7f1992-9bca-11e3-9d9e-0017a43b2370.html 532177;1393399384;BingoBoingo;I knew my apartment was shitty, but not like kill experts in shitty apartments kind of shitty 532178;1393399391;Duffer1;ya wow 532179;1393399464;BingoBoingo;Kind of makes me regret not taking the plaster off of the walls 532180;1393399500;BingoBoingo;Also, I used to like to park in those spots 532181;1393399563;Duffer1;reading about Counterparty atm 532182;1393399590;BingoBoingo;Cool, better not be that shitty faux coin version 532183;1393399726;Duffer1;the caliber of the assets assimilated blogs is impressive 532184;1393399791;Duffer1;it would be nice to see it mentioned in #bitcoin-assets Topic 532185;1393399917;BingoBoingo;assass is decent blog 532186;1393400017;bit14;what's going on with havelock 532187;1393400028;dexX7;assass? 532188;1393400070;Duffer1;http://assass.headfucking.net/ 532189;1393400071;ozbot;Assets Assimilated 532190;1393400090;BingoBoingo;bit14: No idea Maybe they are dying too? 532191;1393400146;BingoBoingo;I await my ban on bitcointalk https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431195.msg5379874#msg5379874 532192;1393400210;dexX7;ty 532193;1393400222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22536 @ 0.00087782 = 19.7826 BTC [-] {2} 532194;1393400313;bitcoinpete;;;eregister bitcoinpete 165749929F9A6BDD 532195;1393400315;gribble;Request successful for user bitcoinpete, hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/165749929F9A6BDD 532196;1393400346;mircea_popescu;5th a cxharm huh 532197;1393400401;mircea_popescu;yeah assass in topic can't hurt anything. 532198;1393400555;bitcoinpete;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:97d9f908fe5dc08ba4be74efe1b4430c5e68d071e34fbed3e1771a9d 532199;1393400556;gribble;Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user bitcoinpete with key 165749929F9A6BDD 532200;1393400642;BingoBoingo;I still reload slashdot compulsively for the money 532201;1393400763;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/#comment-98222 532202;1393400763;ozbot;People have made blogs pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 532203;1393400877;BingoBoingo;I still have trouble believing I lived in the shithole next to this http://www.kshb.com/news/state/missouri/mizzou-investigating-cause-of-roof-walkway-collapse-at-apartment-building 532204;1393400905;mircea_popescu;the sex any good at least ? 532205;1393400935;BingoBoingo;The sex was great 532206;1393400954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00087911 = 13.5383 BTC [+] {3} 532207;1393400970;BingoBoingo;i TA's for pharmacy school so undergrads were in bounds, other grad students were inbounds. 532208;1393400984;BingoBoingo;Just couldn't do the pharm students. 532209;1393401000;mircea_popescu;well that's why people live in shitholes. 532210;1393401003;mircea_popescu;the sex is great. 532211;1393401012;BingoBoingo;Which is kind of a shame cause this Jessie chick had great tits 532212;1393401049;BingoBoingo;OH, it was such a shithole, but not being from missouti made the sex so easy 532213;1393401190;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8w0x8uPW11ru15g3o1_1280.jpg 532214;1393401244;bitcoinpete;;;gettrust bitcoinpete 532215;1393401245;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net. Trust relationship from user bitcoinpete to user bitcoinpete: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=bitcoinpete&dest=bitcoinpete | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoinpete | Rated since: never 532216;1393401286;mircea_popescu;wd. 532217;1393401297;BingoBoingo;If that were a pharm student not quite one I'd get fired over, but still one I'd offer salt to to melt their ice 532218;1393401307;mircea_popescu;bit14 what do you mean ? 532219;1393401341;bitcoinpete;ty. only took 30 min lol 532220;1393401396;bit14;mircea_popescu: doar ca e picat https://www.havelockinvestments.com/ :) 532221;1393401503;BingoBoingo;bit14: Gospidine? 532222;1393401526;bit14;->just that it's down 532223;1393401629;mircea_popescu;http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2014/02/25/mt-gox-ceo-says-on-internet-chat-hasnt-given-up/ 532224;1393401635;mircea_popescu;you know, just like every scammer to date. 532225;1393401645;mircea_popescu;bit14 lol se mai intimpla gen 532226;1393401649;bit14;have you seen the log 532227;1393401650;bit14;http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/179038-my-conversation-mark-karpeles-mtgox-2.html#post2164682 532228;1393401651;ozbot;My Conversation with Mark Karpeles of MtGox - Page 2 - WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum - Int 532229;1393401686;mircea_popescu;soo nubs got eulora to compile on a mac. 532230;1393401780;bitcoinpete;off to brussels in the morning. cheers for now 532231;1393402177;mircea_popescu;i thought moiety was in london 532232;1393402376;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I thought moiety was in Glasgow 532233;1393402967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00088123 = 18.594 BTC [+] {3} 532234;1393403943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00087825 = 24.7667 BTC [-] {2} 532235;1393404309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00087764 = 8.2498 BTC [-] 532236;1393404455;BingoBoingo;Slashdot still seems to possess doubts, WHy? I dunno http://slashdot.org/submission/3366357/mtgox-collapse-should-come-as-no-suprise 532237;1393404614;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.0008852 = 2.4786 BTC [+] 532238;1393405385;BingoBoingo;Imma sleep soon 532239;1393405405;BingoBoingo;Slashdot has denied me for hours, but they cannot do so indefinitely 532240;1393405529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00088277 = 4.0607 BTC [-] 532241;1393406193;bit14;havelock has been down for over 6 hours now, does this happen often? 532242;1393406230;bit14;I assume they didn't run and it's early AM in canada, but still 532243;1393406810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00088406 = 12.8189 BTC [+] 532244;1393407196;cazalla;shrem seems to think that leaked document is legit 532245;1393407436;Duffer1;didn't shrem also think that gox was fundamentally sound and not insolvent? 532246;1393407610;cazalla;i think that was prior to that document leaking, latest episode of lets talk bitcoin has shrem on it, interesting listen 532247;1393408579;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00088277 = 9.2691 BTC [-] 532248;1393409004;Namworld;Havelock isn't in Canada 532249;1393409006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00088356 = 1.9438 BTC [+] 532250;1393409066;bit14;where is it? 532251;1393409107;wao-ender;lol 532252;1393409112;wao-ender;that havellock database 532253;1393409112;wao-ender;"Database seems down. Sorry about that. We've been notified about the problem. Please try again later. 532254;1393409121;wao-ender;bit14: Panama afaik 532255;1393409200;ArsKisS;hmm 532256;1393409452;bit14;they're called the Panama fund I think, but I thought they were canadian 532257;1393409505;bit14;I might be wrong 532258;1393409552;Duffer1;they were based in canada during the acquisition, no idea if the principles/office/servers have moved though 532259;1393409552;bit14;https://web.archive.org/web/20140214223804/https://www.havelockinvestments.com/contact.php 532260;1393409561;bit14;Address: 532261;1393409561;bit14;The Panama Fund, S.A 532262;1393409561;bit14;Panama City 532263;1393409561;bit14;Republic of Panama 532264;1393409581;bit14;company could be registered there, but staff might be elsewhere 532265;1393409649;Duffer1;odd timing for server issues, i wonder if they held reserves at gox 532266;1393409684;bit14;it's 5am in panama, so maybe they're just asleep, crossing fingers 532267;1393409799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6724 @ 0.00088327 = 5.9391 BTC [-] {2} 532268;1393410714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6152 @ 0.00088186 = 5.4252 BTC [-] 532269;1393412126;Namworld;The old owner, Topace, was Canadian I think. Now it moved. Where the staff is located, I do not know. 532270;1393412538;bit14;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=859 532271;1393412540;ozbot;View the profile of lightbox 532272;1393412599;bit14;looks like this guy was/is the owner 532273;1393412963;Namworld;yeah, he was. Known as Topace in IRC 532274;1393413093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10776 @ 0.00088192 = 9.5036 BTC [+] 532275;1393414400;Mats_cd03;http://www.news.com.au/world/tin-cans-filled-with-10-million-in-gold-coins-found-buried-in-california/story-fndir2ev-1226837801851 532276;1393414400;ozbot;Tin cans filled with $10 million in gold coins found buried in California | 532277;1393415411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11726 @ 0.0008852 = 10.3799 BTC [+] 532278;1393417377;jurov;http://boingboing.net/2014/02/25/choosing-a-secure-password.html schneier misses xkcd's point entirely 532279;1393417378;ozbot;Choosing a Secure Password - Boing Boing 532280;1393417397;jurov;if i had doubts he's nsa shill, now i have none 532281;1393417709;davout;"A typical password consists of a root plus an appendage." <<< bwhahaha 532282;1393417820;davout;"http://boingboing.net/2014/02/25/choosing-a-secure-password.html schneier misses xkcd's point entirely" <<< yep, someone should teach him about entropy 532283;1393419071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.0008835 = 9.3651 BTC [-] 532284;1393419363;ThickAsThieves;omg boingboing.net hurts my eyes, it also doesn't show any text on my android tablet 532285;1393419382;ThickAsThieves;(the yellow text black bg page) 532286;1393419575;Namworld;I have a mix of letters, numbers and special chars. Strangely enough, I don't seem to have a problem remembering most of them. 532287;1393419633;dexX7;i don't know my passwords and trust keepass 532288;1393419857;ThickAsThieves;i dont share hints to my password methods 532289;1393419983;Namworld;Saying your password is a random mix of characters doesn't help much. So it's not really a hint. 532290;1393420021;Namworld;You remove non-random stuff. You have less than 0.1% of possibilities eliminated. Congratulations. Still requires bruteforcing it. 532291;1393420400;ThickAsThieves;https://www.mtgox.com/ 532292;1393420400;ozbot;MtGox.com loading 532293;1393420413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00088467 = 7.1658 BTC [+] {2} 532294;1393421450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00088514 = 5.9304 BTC [+] 532295;1393421615;MisterE;wtf LTC went over 40 today? 532296;1393421632;MisterE;http://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btce/ltcusd 532297;1393421747;dexX7;huh? 532298;1393421762;dexX7;ah 532299;1393421768;dexX7;nvm 532300;1393421769;Namworld;So many people think MtGox is Bitcoin. 532301;1393421789;dexX7;https://blockchain.info/tx/e6d4cfbbc45b5e3cfcfa36613b04a8732c7b4606f5dbbd8af3ba06d8f3899fc2 532302;1393421791;ozbot;Bitcoin Transaction e6d4cfbbc45b5e3cfcfa36613b04a8732c7b4606f5dbbd8af3ba06d8f3899fc2 532303;1393421813;Duffer1;just imagine if blockchain.info goes down 532304;1393421822;Duffer1;the blockchain is down!1234 532305;1393421842;dexX7;luckily there is www.blockr.io now 532306;1393421856;Duffer1;ya saw that earlier 532307;1393421865;Duffer1;nice lookin site 532308;1393422044;adrrrr;dexX7: what are these vanity adress, I thought we can choose only few characters 532309;1393422258;dexX7;you don't need the privkey, simply send it to whateveraddress+checksum 532310;1393422426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44900 @ 0.00088224 = 39.6126 BTC [-] {4} 532311;1393422463;jurov;so, i used my idignation as fuel: http://explo.yt/post/2014/02/26/Bruce-Schneier-passwords-fail 532312;1393422577;adrrrr;dexX7: so it will create the public key? 532313;1393422626;dexX7;what "it"? 532314;1393422700;dexX7;try to think of making a phonecall to a number that is not in use.. will work, right? even if you dial funny numbers? 532315;1393423107;adrrrr;"it" is the transaction 532316;1393423119;adrrrr;a phone number that is not in use will not even ring 532317;1393423124;adrrrr;right? 532318;1393423768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00088331 = 13.7355 BTC [+] 532319;1393423967;bit14;looks like havelock is finally back up 532320;1393424317;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00088502 = 19.9572 BTC [+] {5} 532321;1393424429;nubbins`;HI 532322;1393424557;deadweasel;"Pretty much anything that can be remembered can be cracked." From Schneier piece. 532323;1393424611;adrrrr;yeah 24h we heard things about password ! thx 532324;1393424627;deadweasel;wtf are you on about, adrrrr ? 532325;1393424827;adrrrr;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mWkY5yIAnc&feature=youtu.be 532326;1393424828;ozbot;MtGox Saga Continues - Update 25 Feb 2014 - YouTube 532327;1393424836;adrrrr;voila ! 532328;1393424837;adrrrr;;) 532329;1393424911;deadweasel;yeah 24h we heard things about mtgox ! thx 532330;1393424954;adrrrr;lol 532331;1393424968;adrrrr;deadweasel: Duuuhhh 532332;1393425010;adrrrr;you should watch it instead of mocking ;) 532333;1393425020;deadweasel;i don't even know what I just, I was just mirroring you. 532334;1393425029;deadweasel;missing word: said* 532335;1393425044;*;deadweasel mocks first, watches later 532336;1393425122;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/PHgbXXc.gif 532337;1393425127;Bugpowder;SFW? 532338;1393425137;mircea_popescu;ya 532339;1393425144;mircea_popescu;powered off kitten 532340;1393425148;Bugpowder;lol 532341;1393425150;Bugpowder;pretty SFW 532342;1393425171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26098 @ 0.00088294 = 23.043 BTC [-] {2} 532343;1393425192;mircea_popescu;since when do you work anyway 532344;1393425200;Bugpowder;All the fucking time 532345;1393425293;mircea_popescu;well no i don't mean work in the sense of doing something useful 532346;1393425312;mircea_popescu;i mean work in the sense of being in a constrained space with a bunch of idiots where you gotta watch what's on your screen 532347;1393425320;mircea_popescu;ie, the exactly opposite of doing something useful. 532348;1393425408;chetty;http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/25/first-contagious-wifi-computer-virus-goes-airborne-spreads-like-the-common-cold/ 532349;1393425409;ozbot;First contagious WiFi computer virus goes airborne | The Daily Caller 532350;1393425429;mircea_popescu;uh why'd a virus be specifically wifi 532351;1393425459;Bugpowder;I thought there was that virus that spreads via the speaker (or was that BS). 532352;1393425493;cazalla;the one that could jump airgapped systems? 532353;1393425496;cazalla;that was bs 532354;1393425509;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder that was bs. 532355;1393425513;mircea_popescu;darn beat to it 532356;1393425564;Bugpowder;It made no cents. 532357;1393425661;Bugpowder;I am really impressed with the level of optimism people are expressing towards Gox reopening. IMPRESSED. I hear there are 3 suitors vying for the right to purchase Mt. Gox's brand and 650,000 BTC debt. 532358;1393425679;mircea_popescu;yaya 532359;1393425711;mircea_popescu;take it as a measure of just how badly hurt the foundation scamnest is by this defeat in the field 532360;1393425717;mircea_popescu;rather than any direct statement of the future. 532361;1393425722;Bugpowder;HOPE 532362;1393425732;mircea_popescu;no, it's not hope, it's disbelief. 532363;1393425740;mircea_popescu;they rheally thought they're somebody worth something. 532364;1393425743;Bugpowder;Someone needs to shop a Karp / HOPE poster 532365;1393425744;mircea_popescu;and i guess still do. 532366;1393425776;mircea_popescu;more apt would be a vessenes hope poster really. 532367;1393425802;mircea_popescu;hopefully his head is next. now that's hope. 532368;1393425816;cazalla;you know why i hate vessenes 532369;1393425821;mircea_popescu;i didn't know you did. 532370;1393425829;cazalla;well i do but for different reasons that you 532371;1393425853;Bugpowder;CoinLab was more mismanaged than Gox, they just died earlier so they couldn't cause as big a monetary fuckup. 532372;1393425880;cazalla;on a panel, he ruined it because he had the microphone practically in his mouth and you couldn't hear the other panelists due to his heavy breathing 532373;1393425897;mircea_popescu;i don't actually hate the guy, i just dislike him because he's very inept strategically and we kinda need to purge the stupid. 532374;1393425921;nubbins`;vessenes "NOPE" poster 532375;1393425953;nubbins`;the kitten got turned off ;( 532376;1393425957;mircea_popescu;or maybe it's time for a HERP poster 532377;1393425970;nubbins`;heh 532378;1393425972;nubbins`;i like that 532379;1393425985;mircea_popescu;can i has link to your clown thing again ? 532380;1393425993;mircea_popescu;ima order the MP css dept make me one. 532381;1393425996;nubbins`;ah, refresh my memory 532382;1393426003;cazalla;anyone that abset minded on microphone etiquette sends me into a rage 532383;1393426006;cazalla;absent 532384;1393426006;mircea_popescu;didn't you do a vessenes clown thing ? 532385;1393426015;nubbins`;oh, right, i think that was tat 532386;1393426025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00088085 = 19.0704 BTC [-] {3} 532387;1393426038;mircea_popescu;cazalla this is kind of sad, incidentally, because it's roughly like a stripper with bad genital hygiene 532388;1393426038;nubbins`;2, maybe 3 days ago? 532389;1393426055;cazalla;sad for me or him 532390;1393426057;mircea_popescu;all the guy ever does is derp about in the conference freakshow, you'd expect he has at least the basics of that profession down pat. 532391;1393426060;mircea_popescu;cazalla for him. 532392;1393426088;mircea_popescu;imagine a truck driver that can't drive double clutch. 532393;1393426088;cazalla;i sent him an email but he didn't respond 532394;1393426091;nubbins`;i had a professor once who could only speak in a whisper and so brought a mic to class and amplified it so heavily you could hear him swallow his spit 532395;1393426095;mircea_popescu;sort-of like a vessenes that can't handle a mic 532396;1393426102;nubbins`;he would freeze if anyone made a sound (like opening a bookbag, etc) 532397;1393426118;nubbins`;mid-syllable sometimes 532398;1393426149;mircea_popescu;at the one uni where i sort-of flirted with academia, this was banned on campus. 532399;1393426160;mircea_popescu;the rector guy was like "if you can't speak you can't be a university professor." 532400;1393426164;nubbins`;heh 532401;1393426173;nubbins`;it's true 532402;1393426177;mircea_popescu;i know it is. 532403;1393426193;mircea_popescu;i always respected that guy. occasionally obnoxious but he had what you'd need from a rector : fucking rectitude. 532404;1393426209;nubbins`;one day (this was a logic course), the poor guy (ancient chinese man) was dreaming up an example for some logical fallacy 532405;1393426218;nubbins`;"statement one: all cats have four legs" 532406;1393426225;nubbins`;"statement two: some cats dig my music" 532407;1393426231;nubbins`;i had to leave the room D; 532408;1393426235;mircea_popescu;ergo, women walk on their tits. 532409;1393426292;mircea_popescu;nubbins` btw, you know the "great generals" machine learning fiasco ? 532410;1393426308;nubbins`;doesn't ring a bell 532411;1393426327;mircea_popescu;this is probably apocriphal as such, but it is reflective of various actual events. normally it's retold as 532412;1393426352;mircea_popescu;"at mit, they made this self-learning machine which would try to make deductions sylogistically on a dictionary of natural language constructs 532413;1393426369;mircea_popescu;they let it run overnight, among the conclusions it had arrived to by morning was "napoleon had an infinite number of arms" 532414;1393426405;mircea_popescu;the thought process being, napoleon was a great general, great generals are forewarned, being forewarned is like having an extra pair of arms, 532415;1393426405;nubbins`;well, he did! 532416;1393426411;nubbins`;why do you think he was so short! 532417;1393426419;mircea_popescu;four is an odd number of arms for a man to have, the only both odd and even number is infinity 532418;1393426424;nubbins`;HAH 532419;1393426428;nubbins`;that's actually rich 532420;1393426445;nubbins`;"being forewarned is being forearmed" 532421;1393426447;mircea_popescu;kinda why it stuck. 532422;1393426502;mircea_popescu;anyway, machine-proofed khali. 532423;1393426684;nubbins`;"In the chat, Karpeles says the leaked document was not produced by Mt. Gox, but he admits that there is some truth to it." 532424;1393426686;nubbins`;well no shit 532425;1393426709;mircea_popescu;derp. 532426;1393426715;nubbins`;mildly surprised anyone believed that was a legit doc 532427;1393426722;mircea_popescu;soooo... who was it produced by ? 532428;1393426733;nubbins`;that two-bit idiot guy 532429;1393426739;nubbins`;selkis? 532430;1393426761;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder https://twitter.com/DougKass/status/438673419845271552 :p 532431;1393426766;nubbins`;wanted to make a name for himself, and it worked. associated press splashed his name across the globe 532432;1393426766;mircea_popescu;guy got burned prett well. 532433;1393426827;nubbins`;just so happens that he faked the doc at a time when everybody was ready to accept a poor fake as legit 532434;1393426878;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhZi4sUCUAA0q4B.jpg:large << check out this us foreign policy success. 532435;1393426971;cazalla;nubbins` are you sure it's fake, shrem suggested it might have been karpeles partner who drafted it due to poor english 532436;1393427057;nubbins`;i'm not sure, but i mean, did you read it? 532437;1393427077;nubbins`;who's going to draft an internal memo that flatly states "we don't deserve to run a business"? 532438;1393427094;cazalla;yes but shrem and levine from LTB confirmed they knew some of what is in the pdf is factual prior to it being leaked 532439;1393427111;mircea_popescu;nubbins` anyone sane working at mtgox 532440;1393427118;mircea_popescu;or a bunch of other bitcoin "businesses" ? 532441;1393427121;nubbins`;sure, so why did this selkis guy decide to redact page 8? 532442;1393427141;mircea_popescu;nubbins` possibly because it had passwords on it ? 532443;1393427145;nubbins`;why would you redact a bunch of numbers on a document about a failing exchange -- a document that you're releasing 532444;1393427154;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: the redactions were black highlights. you could copypasta them. 532445;1393427158;mircea_popescu;not proposing any of the foregoing as factual or anything, merely exploring teh theory of it. 532446;1393427178;nubbins`;black highlights added to the pdf by selkis himself 532447;1393427182;mircea_popescu;nubbins` point in case as to the "we don't deserve to run a business" thing 532448;1393427190;mircea_popescu;"we can't even use office equipment properly" 532449;1393427193;nubbins`;nonono 532450;1393427198;cazalla;maybe he was asked to redact it by whoever gave it to him to leak because if it was given to potential investors, they might not want the financials out there 532451;1393427201;nubbins`;selkis is the "blogger" who "leaked" the document. 532452;1393427206;nubbins`;he doesn't work for gox 532453;1393427207;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i am aware. 532454;1393427215;nubbins`;oh, wait, i see what you're saying 532455;1393427217;mircea_popescu;how do you know he added them ? 532456;1393427227;nubbins`;because it says so in the file 532457;1393427228;nubbins`;one sec 532458;1393427232;mircea_popescu;o lol 532459;1393427242;mircea_popescu;bwahaha 532460;1393427253;mircea_popescu;so this guy is going to be forever remembered as the pdf highlights tard ? 532461;1393427259;mircea_popescu;good way to become famous lmao 532462;1393427281;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/a/ZyBZ5 532463;1393427282;ozbot;Ryan Selkis is full of shit - Imgur 532464;1393427287;nubbins`;see first image 532465;1393427303;nubbins`;the pdf software he did the fake redactions in put his fucking name on them 532466;1393427306;nubbins`;lel x 9000 532467;1393427360;nubbins`;of course none of the news articles mentioning selkis talk about this 532468;1393427361;mircea_popescu;fucking hell i can read the original THROUGH the blackl 532469;1393427367;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00088076 = 9.0718 BTC [-] 532470;1393427370;cazalla;if it was fake, who gave him the legit information to mix with his bs? 532471;1393427382;nubbins`;what do you mean, gave? the numbers don't even add up 532472;1393427382;mircea_popescu;"mt gox business is healthy and profitable 532473;1393427393;cazalla;the re-branding etc, shrem confirmed he knew of this weeks ago 532474;1393427397;mircea_popescu;is this intentional ? 532475;1393427406;nubbins`;mircea_popescu that's why the whole thing is so curious 532476;1393427410;nubbins`;none of it makes sense 532477;1393427434;mircea_popescu;pity something awful got all butthurt and humiliated and discontinued buttcoin 532478;1393427440;nubbins`;some anon blogger "is sent" a doc, black-highlights a bunch of gibberish math, makes a reddit post 532479;1393427441;mircea_popescu;it was a pretty decent service coupla years ago. 532480;1393427461;nubbins`;next thing ya know gox decides "well, now's as good a time as any" 532481;1393427464;mircea_popescu;he even twitted with me, sec lemme find it 532482;1393427465;cazalla;but parts of the document are factual nubbins` 532483;1393427481;nubbins`;parts of the bible are factual. 532484;1393427500;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/438181014784204800 a no, he's the "o noes shrem guy" 532485;1393427500;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: "And thought he knew better." ... 532486;1393427513;mircea_popescu;i hope shrem hit him over the head because had he stfu i'd have not said anything either. 532487;1393427529;mircea_popescu;i wonder generally how many people realise that stupendously stupid "pr" actually has a marked negative cost 532488;1393427538;nubbins`;curious to see what 2-bit idiot has to say about his redactions 532489;1393427552;mircea_popescu;like say the misadventures of those pretend-gambling guys mpoe-pr laid into a week ago 532490;1393427557;mircea_popescu;what the fuck were they called again, 532491;1393427572;cazalla;casino bitcoin 532492;1393427575;mircea_popescu;a yes that. 532493;1393427581;nubbins`;CBTC! 532494;1393427672;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=465334.0 there we go yeah 532495;1393427675;mircea_popescu;it was casino bitcoin 532496;1393427855;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12682 @ 0.00088322 = 11.201 BTC [+] 532497;1393427872;ozbot;Calling out CasinoBitco.in 532498;1393427879;cazalla;they added all their privately held shares to havelock the other week 532499;1393427892;cazalla;didn't mention it though until people pointed it out asking wtf 532500;1393427902;mircea_popescu;well obviously all the nonsense barrage was destined to help them fuck some more noobs over. 532501;1393428035;mircea_popescu;haha pretty epic ownage this. allow me to spam irc : 532502;1393428047;mircea_popescu;@SpiegelPeter 2h "Kremlin's jealous & intolerant eye can distinguish only vassals & enemies; neighbors, if they dont wish 2 be one, must be the other-Kennan 532503;1393428058;mircea_popescu;@Mircea_Popescu This is pretty well equally true of the US. The EU is one of the few sane players and the US press is slamming them for it 532504;1393428070;mircea_popescu;@SpiegelPeter I don't recall US ever sending tanks into Canada. Does chasing Pancho Villa = Hungary 1956, Prague 1968, Afghanistan 1979? 532505;1393428083;mircea_popescu;@Mircea_Popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhZi4sUCUAA0q4B.jpg:large how's that look to you ? 532506;1393428090;nubbins`;he doesn't recall the usa and canada being at war? 532507;1393428093;nubbins`;i uh 532508;1393428095;mircea_popescu;@SpiegelPeter Is Syria a neighbour of the US? You may want to re-read original Kennan quote. 532509;1393428107;mircea_popescu;@Mircea_Popescu Yes, it borders on the US province of Iraq. You may wish to drop the weasel act, we're adults, we can see through bs. 532510;1393428115;mircea_popescu;and now he's going to be upset because i called him a weasel 532511;1393428124;mircea_popescu;CLEARLY he doesn't have to respond to such evil. 532512;1393428149;mircea_popescu;like you know, having your idiocy made a point of public mockery in the forum is immediate license to disengage and pretent like you were slighted 532513;1393428156;mircea_popescu;it's almost as if they're all women or something. 532514;1393428380;Duffer1;"Kremlin's jealous & intolerant eye can distinguish only vassals & enemies; neighbors, if they dont wish 2 be one, must be the other”-Kennan 532515;1393428381;Duffer1;mircea_popescu@Mircea_Popescu This is pretty well equally true of the US. >>> Cuba is a great example to offer 532516;1393428397;Duffer1;at least, closer to physical home than iraq 532517;1393428405;mircea_popescu;no because the standard magically is "the us never sent tanks there" 532518;1393428413;Duffer1;lol 532519;1393428416;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding that russia didn't send any tanks in the ukraine, either 532520;1393428427;mircea_popescu;but you know, opinions. 532521;1393428435;mircea_popescu;why not have a strongly held one ? 532522;1393428480;Duffer1;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion 532523;1393428481;ozbot;Bay of Pigs Invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 532524;1393428499;Duffer1;dunno if they had tanks.. 532525;1393428528;cazalla;CIA eh 532526;1393428546;cazalla;I'm reading this ATM - http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Politics-Heroin-Complicity-Afghanistan/dp/1556524838 532527;1393428569;cazalla;lead to that after reading the CIA rumoured to have run a bank here in Australia 532528;1393428576;cazalla;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nugan_Hand_Bank 532529;1393428587;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 538 @ 0.00582443 = 3.1335 BTC [+] {13} 532530;1393428588;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 623 @ 0.00083901 = 0.5227 BTC [-] {7} 532531;1393428609;mircea_popescu;o, you mean to compete with HSBC ? 532532;1393428616;mircea_popescu;in the very lucrative heroin trade ? 532533;1393428648;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2210 @ 0.00587473 = 12.9832 BTC [+] {15} 532534;1393428651;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.06066044 = 0.364 BTC [-] {3} 532535;1393428652;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02199999 = 0.264 BTC [-] {2} 532536;1393428653;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.16230094 = 2.5968 BTC [-] {2} 532537;1393428654;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.08388996 = 0.6711 BTC [+] {3} 532538;1393428655;cazalla;it's pretty speculative 532539;1393428656;cazalla;at least in the aus bank case 532540;1393428709;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.00587699 = 0.1881 BTC [+] {5} 532541;1393428721;Duffer1;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion#Invasion_day_.2817_April.29 now with tanks 532542;1393428722;ozbot;Bay of Pigs Invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 532543;1393428741;mircea_popescu;that doesn't count. 532544;1393428757;Duffer1;k :( 532545;1393428762;mircea_popescu;because random US agent of influence in Brussels slash fuckwit says so. 532546;1393428764;cazalla;heh Invasion day, that's what they call Australia Day although I prefer to call it Conquerors Day 532547;1393428768;mircea_popescu;because this is how the internet works now. 532548;1393428775;Duffer1;ha 532549;1393428786;Duffer1;i wish you were wrong 532550;1393428788;nubbins`;i'll be close to brussels this summer 532551;1393428818;cazalla;going to bed, give me something good to read with morning coffee :) 532552;1393428862;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2014#528354 << may be worth a mention that russian troop movements was discussed here way before it became public :D 532553;1393428865;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 532554;1393428987;Duffer1;i don't see why they would do that unless they're planning an invasion or reinstallation of Yanuk 532555;1393429143;*;Duffer1 will try to remember to read linked article first next time 532556;1393429258;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43100 @ 0.00087924 = 37.8952 BTC [-] {4} 532557;1393429852;mircea_popescu;why, cause without crimeea they're fucked up the ass 532558;1393429862;mircea_popescu;russia is very badly landlocked, they can't survive without ports. 532559;1393429872;mircea_popescu;even crimeea is barely a fucking toehold. 532560;1393429931;nubbins`;and vladivostok is a LONG train ride from moscow & st petersburg 532561;1393429977;mircea_popescu;very. 532562;1393430089;nubbins`;almost the longest 532563;1393430234;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00589333 = 0.4479 BTC [+] {3} 532564;1393430295;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2081 @ 0.00589999 = 12.2779 BTC [+] {10} 532565;1393430298;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11496639 = 0.2299 BTC [+] 532566;1393430299;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.13587995 BTC [+] 532567;1393430358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24139 @ 0.00088304 = 21.3157 BTC [+] {3} 532568;1393430422;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2014/02/schneier-yesterday.htm 532569;1393430484;pankkake;https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/ 532570;1393430485;ozbot;How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations - The Inte 532571;1393430553;nubbins`;heh 532572;1393430558;pankkake;the schneier proposal was so… tame. almost sounded like politicians creating commissions to solve problems 532573;1393430561;pankkake;"This is a radical solution" lol 532574;1393430567;nubbins`;is that an article about people leaving "-10 scammer faggot" ratings on -otc? ;D 532575;1393430591;pankkake;I hope government agents have more talent 532576;1393430603;mircea_popescu;pankkake nah, it's about derpage like quoted above. 532577;1393430605;mircea_popescu;on twitter. 532578;1393430611;mircea_popescu;that guy's job is basically "derp at russia". 532579;1393430615;mircea_popescu;which w/e, it's a living. 532580;1393430619;nubbins`;twist: GCHQ stole pdf from gox and leaked it via their agent selkis 532581;1393430637;mircea_popescu;it's kind-of becoming a fun sport these days tho, find agents twist their arms. 532582;1393430644;mircea_popescu;kinda sitting ducks because they're slaves to their talking points 532583;1393430658;mircea_popescu;and really as entry level bureaucrats... how smart can they be ? 532584;1393430682;ThickAsThieves;hey mp: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yzp5k/im_a_journalist_i_want_to_be_able_to_write_about/ 532585;1393430741;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/C5ZyuVj.jpg 532586;1393430743;nubbins`;LEL 532587;1393430845;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.13587998 BTC [+] 532588;1393430966;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 299 @ 0.0059 = 1.7641 BTC [+] 532589;1393431027;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 219 @ 0.0059 = 1.2921 BTC [+] 532590;1393431088;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3689 @ 0.00590063 = 21.7674 BTC [+] {7} 532591;1393431098;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves link him to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2014#526451 532592;1393431197;pankkake;https://counterparty.co/faqs/why-must-dividends-bets-and-betting-fees-be-paid-in-xcp/ lol 532593;1393431198;ozbot;Frequently Asked Questions | Counterparty | Crypto-Financial Market 532594;1393431210;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 87 @ 0.00597798 = 0.5201 BTC [+] {2} 532595;1393431271;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 224 @ 0.005978 = 1.3391 BTC [+] {4} 532596;1393431304;mircea_popescu;what is xcp 532597;1393431333;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 828 @ 0.00597969 = 4.9512 BTC [+] {4} 532598;1393431334;ThickAsThieves;lol 532599;1393431344;Duffer1;never heard about it until i was catching up on my daily actm drama this morning 532600;1393431350;ThickAsThieves;counterparty is one of those things like mastercoin right 532601;1393431359;ThickAsThieves;burn your coins into meta system 532602;1393431361;ThickAsThieves;cry later 532603;1393431362;pankkake;yes 532604;1393431368;Duffer1;pretty ui though >.< 532605;1393431375;ThickAsThieves;"Having only one currency that can be used for betting makes bet-matching simpler and easier (and more likely). The currency for making bets cannot be BTC, because the Counterparty protocol cannot debit BTC from a user’s address." 532606;1393431386;ThickAsThieves;sounds like something i'd write for Altcoin 532607;1393431390;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 i for some reason read actm as "rectum" 532608;1393431393;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.102 = 0.204 BTC [-] 532609;1393431394;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00597999 = 0.1794 BTC [+] 532610;1393431395;mircea_popescu;my brain is telling me things. 532611;1393431396;pankkake;I wonder if the UI is just a photoshop thing for now 532612;1393431420;Duffer1;synesthesia read actm, smell poop 532613;1393431425;mircea_popescu;http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/26/scientists-discover-a-new-state-of-matter-in-the-last-place-youd-ever-think-to-look/ 532614;1393431425;ozbot;Scientists Discover a New State of Matter in the Last Place You’d Ever Think to Look | TheBlaze.co 532615;1393431429;mircea_popescu;speaking of all that. 532616;1393431454;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 231 @ 0.00597999 = 1.3814 BTC [+] {2} 532617;1393431515;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 660 @ 0.00598 = 3.9468 BTC [+] {2} 532618;1393431576;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00597999 = 0.4485 BTC [-] {3} 532619;1393431626;ThickAsThieves;so will chickens eventually have crystallized eyes? 532620;1393431655;ThickAsThieves;breed more chikuns! 532621;1393431673;BingoBoingo;Oh, look what happened when I was passed out http://slashdot.org/story/14/02/26/1539250/mt-gox-shuts-down-collapse-should-come-as-no-surprise 532622;1393431695;ThickAsThieves;cuz after crystal eyes, comes laser chikuns, right? 532623;1393431698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18371 @ 0.00088484 = 16.2554 BTC [+] {3} 532624;1393431736;ThickAsThieves;gj bingo 532625;1393431742;Bugpowder;mircea_popescu: DOUBLE DOWN! 532626;1393431754;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder lolwut? o tsla you mean ? 532627;1393431759;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.00598 = 0.8252 BTC [+] {2} 532628;1393431761;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo cool beanz. 532629;1393431789;BingoBoingo;Well, I guess years of reading them taught me their copywriting style 532630;1393431815;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/438708150469132288 <<< lettuce bother them. 532631;1393431815;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @SpiegelPeter I get it, you ... 532632;1393431848;Bugpowder;yah 532633;1393431863;Bugpowder;Nice to see you getting back into twitter. 532634;1393431873;Bugpowder;And getting some responses! 532635;1393431942;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00598 = 0.299 BTC [+] 532636;1393432110;mircea_popescu;they fixed the site. 532637;1393432123;mircea_popescu;i abandoned it cca 2012 cause they made it js-unusable. 532638;1393432150;ThickAsThieves;yeah, at least spiegal engaged 532639;1393432161;ThickAsThieves;spygull 532640;1393432166;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you missed the huge argument with anil dash coupla days ago ? 532641;1393432174;ThickAsThieves;possibly 532642;1393432179;mircea_popescu;guy ended up asking me about what music i like and so forth. 532643;1393432186;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.102 = 0.714 BTC [-] 532644;1393432195;mircea_popescu;cause you know, that's how you make friends. 532645;1393432203;ThickAsThieves;hehe 532646;1393432208;nubbins`;i'm only here because you guys all like Talking Heads 532647;1393432213;ThickAsThieves;get Keiser to engage, that's a real challenge 532648;1393432225;mircea_popescu;if only mr Y asked the demonstrator ppl what music they liked.... 532649;1393432243;Bugpowder;Why would one want to engage with Keiser? 532650;1393432252;Bugpowder;Wouldn't want to bring down my influence. 532651;1393432256;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves he used to back before i ended up wearing his asshole as a windshield decoration 532652;1393432269;mircea_popescu;(this was back in the ra ra ra days of to the moon when btc first broke 100) 532653;1393432308;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-] 532654;1393432369;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.11475878 = 0.459 BTC [-] 532655;1393432430;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00597989 = 0.598 BTC [-] {2} 532656;1393432491;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11475878 BTC [-] 532657;1393432492;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00597999 = 3.588 BTC [+] {2} 532658;1393432552;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 284 @ 0.00598 = 1.6983 BTC [+] {3} 532659;1393432613;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06098069 = 0.122 BTC [-] 532660;1393432614;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.005987 = 0.1497 BTC [+] 532661;1393432626;BingoBoingo;So, less than 10% of slashdot users are using the new layout 532662;1393432658;mircea_popescu;i don't even remember a case where some popular site "improved" 532663;1393432661;mircea_popescu;or "new layouted" 532664;1393432666;mircea_popescu;and the userbase liked it. 532665;1393432674;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 103 @ 0.005987 = 0.6167 BTC [+] {2} 532666;1393432679;mircea_popescu;i have no idea why people continue doing it. must be a mental disorder on the management side. 532667;1393432735;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 184 @ 0.005987 = 1.1016 BTC [+] {2} 532668;1393432736;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.06145 = 0.6145 BTC [+] 532669;1393432796;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.005987 = 0.8981 BTC [+] 532670;1393432851;BingoBoingo;Prolly 532671;1393432979;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-] 532672;1393432980;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.005987 = 0.1976 BTC [+] 532673;1393433284;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00598962 = 0.2456 BTC [+] {3} 532674;1393433285;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 130 @ 0.00474999 = 0.6175 BTC [+] 532675;1393433504;BingoBoingo;n00bs gonna n00b http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4836423&cid=46346507 532676;1393433528;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00595201 = 0.1488 BTC [-] 532677;1393433529;ThickAsThieves;<mircea_popescu> i have no idea why people continue doing it. must be a mental disorder on the management side. /// marketeers are persuasive, it's their job 532678;1393433551;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: "You know you've done things right, when people aren't sure you've done anything at all." 532679;1393433551;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/438718213665611776 532680;1393433582;mircea_popescu;the derpage coming out of that thing is almost like bitcoin magazine runs it. 532681;1393433647;ThickAsThieves;what did they rip? 532682;1393433691;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: If you're going to rip -assets ... 532683;1393433720;mircea_popescu;link is there, "o derp, bitcoin is the greatest asset class in the histopry of business" 532684;1393433730;mircea_popescu;except, not because it went up 50ish x in 2013. 532685;1393433733;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Everything, it is the coindesk way 532686;1393433751;mircea_popescu;the argument is strong and well made, but not by them and not by their fucktarded infographic or w/e that thing is 532687;1393433758;ThickAsThieves;slide 12 seems familiar 532688;1393433764;BingoBoingo;At this rate COindesk is headed into a Max Kaiser like niche becoming a noob ghetto 532689;1393433772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.0008855 = 3.1435 BTC [+] 532690;1393433775;mircea_popescu;see the jan 31st discussion with herbi, it's linked in the tweet. 532691;1393433802;Duffer1;max seems to have become the thing he hates 532692;1393433833;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00598998 = 0.1857 BTC [+] {2} 532693;1393433834;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00480065 = 0.168 BTC [+] {3} 532694;1393433836;BingoBoingo;Duffer1: Max doesn't have the dignity for that 532695;1393433880;Duffer1;Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 2h 532696;1393433881;Duffer1;I plan to give @RealAlexJones some free #maxcoin next week. No need to bother with Bitcoin, #maxcoin is better. Currency of the Resistance. 532697;1393433894;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.00598999 = 0.4433 BTC [+] {3} 532698;1393433898;TomServo;pathetic. 532699;1393433927;Duffer1;ya that kinda stuff gets under my skin pretty quick 532700;1393433934;ThickAsThieves;ya 532701;1393433947;BingoBoingo;Also 737 people reffered by Slashdot in the first hour as the last of four links in the story. 532702;1393433950;ThickAsThieves;maxoin is better bro! 532703;1393433955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018499 = 0.185 BTC [+] 532704;1393433956;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 107 @ 0.00598999 = 0.6409 BTC [+] {2} 532705;1393433957;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.39675101 BTC to 2`983 shares, 80347 satoshi per share 532706;1393434001;ThickAsThieves;did Max lose all his BTC on gox or something? 532707;1393434016;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.00598999 = 0.2516 BTC [+] {2} 532708;1393434018;BingoBoingo;If only the latest trilema piece had come out an hour earlier 532709;1393434117;ThickAsThieves;it's odd to me that the bitcoin world ignored bitcoin stocks and stock exchanges so much 532710;1393434126;ThickAsThieves;like zero mention in the coindesk report 532711;1393434132;mircea_popescu;TomServo kinda lulzy cause it went pretty much like an old guy's erection, that forced coin. 532712;1393434138;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.06145 = 0.676 BTC [+] 532713;1393434140;ThickAsThieves;never mentioned in bitcoin hearings or such 532714;1393434149;ThickAsThieves;never mentioned by core devs 532715;1393434152;ThickAsThieves;etc 532716;1393434159;mircea_popescu;why would they ? 532717;1393434174;ThickAsThieves;to be comprehensive? 532718;1393434176;Duffer1;seems like a situation where they'd just rather forget 532719;1393434182;BingoBoingo;Stocks and exchanges aren't for the herd 532720;1393434199;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.061 = 0.427 BTC [-] 532721;1393434213;mircea_popescu;i really don't want this viewpoint promoted whereby bitcoin finance is this point of interest for the general public. 532722;1393434214;mircea_popescu;it isn't. 532723;1393434239;mircea_popescu;i mean they can end up believing it is, like they end up believing any other nonsense they believe 532724;1393434248;mircea_popescu;but it's really just setting up everyone to get hurt. 532725;1393434252;ThickAsThieves;they even have a whole VC section 532726;1393434260;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 21 @ 0.00539875 = 0.1134 BTC [+] {3} 532727;1393434269;ThickAsThieves;well i dont mean to imply i wish it promoted 532728;1393434283;ThickAsThieves;so much that it being absent is odd 532729;1393434283;mircea_popescu;last thing you need you know, is thebitcoinwife being knowledgeable about stocks. 532730;1393434289;mircea_popescu;i guess it is a little odd. 532731;1393434315;ThickAsThieves;it also makes their numbers wrong 532732;1393434321;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00598606 = 0.1736 BTC [-] {3} 532733;1393434335;BingoBoingo;Could their numbers have ever been right? 532734;1393434336;ThickAsThieves;"38% of all VC investment is in payment processors" 532735;1393434336;mircea_popescu;that is unfortunate, yea. 532736;1393434353;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves well... it is. of the 1-2% of bitcoin marketshare that us vcs get 532737;1393434359;mircea_popescu;38% is in dead in the water pps 532738;1393434367;mircea_popescu;rest of 62% is in other dead in the water nonventures. 532739;1393434382;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1129999 BTC [-] 532740;1393434475;mircea_popescu;the controlling point here, i guess, would be the observation of Kennedy sr that fuck it, when shoeshine boys discuss stocks it's time to get out. 532741;1393434500;mircea_popescu;the day you're in the same boat with the sorts of people "investing" in groupon it's prolly time to move on. 532742;1393434504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00598998 = 0.8685 BTC [+] {2} 532743;1393434545;mike_c;shoeshine boys won't have mpex accounts anytime soon. 532744;1393434558;mike_c;although i guess they could have coinbr accounts 532745;1393434566;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 393 @ 0.00598642 = 2.3527 BTC [-] {3} 532746;1393434567;ThickAsThieves;curse jurov! 532747;1393434635;jurov;i;m still waiting for someone who'll license coinbr code (for worthy price, ofc) 532748;1393434650;jurov;and start offering free mpex trading for masses 532749;1393434663;mircea_popescu;mike_c anyway, stuff like publishing the correct numbers is useful and welcome. 532750;1393434663;jurov;somehow no one is up to it 532751;1393434682;mircea_popescu;the idea isn't to keep anything a secret, god forbid, but basically i think we should be informed by the correct interraction with children in a family. 532752;1393434688;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11299998 BTC [+] 532753;1393434689;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0615 = 0.123 BTC [+] 532754;1393434694;mircea_popescu;you don't make a big secret out of the power sockets, or the power tools in the garage 532755;1393434709;mircea_popescu;you just go about your business without making a big deal of them and let the kids grow up with all their limbs 532756;1393434724;mircea_popescu;i think that's overall the best policy. 532757;1393434732;mike_c;and maybe even buy those little plastice outlet covers to make sure they survive :) 532758;1393434738;mircea_popescu;maybe. tho... 532759;1393434748;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11299998 = 0.339 BTC [+] 532760;1393434754;mircea_popescu;that's the debatable point, but anyway. some slack for everyone to cut closer or further by his taste. 532761;1393434775;mircea_popescu;but as a general principle actual finance does not belong in the mouth of pundits any more than science belongs in the mouths of politicos. 532762;1393434818;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo see, hour late or not, it made the paper http://paper.li/ionescupopescu 532763;1393434836;mike_c;looking at slides like coindesk's makes me mad for some reason. those stupid charts with "here's why btc went up" and "here's why it went down". they should post that on bitcointalk and be done with it. 532764;1393434851;mircea_popescu;it really is just glorified bitcointalk stuff. 532765;1393434886;BingoBoingo;Cool 532766;1393434992;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 73 @ 0.00599 = 0.4373 BTC [+] {2} 532767;1393435175;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00595201 = 0.2381 BTC [-] 532768;1393435319;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z010y/open_letter_to_michael_casey_wsj_reporter_who/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter 532769;1393435320;ozbot;Open Letter to Michael Casey - WSJ reporter who butchered my comments in today's Bitcoin cover story 532770;1393435327;mircea_popescu;the disadvantages of being erik 532771;1393435436;ThickAsThieves;nice 532772;1393435459;BingoBoingo;Well, when you want to be everyone's friend you forget if you actually have friends or not. 532773;1393435480;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00594726 = 0.2617 BTC [-] {2} 532774;1393435541;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 17 @ 0.00599 = 0.1018 BTC [+] 532775;1393435663;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 616 @ 0.00582265 = 3.5868 BTC [-] {10} 532776;1393435724;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 189 @ 0.0058 = 1.0962 BTC [-] {2} 532777;1393435725;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] 532778;1393435726;ThickAsThieves;"with friends like this, whi the fuck needs cointelpro" 532779;1393435729;ThickAsThieves;who* 532780;1393435826;mircea_popescu;lol srsly. 532781;1393435890;thestringpuller;payment processors have too much overhead due to regulation...you pay so many fees just cutting through red tape 532782;1393435969;thestringpuller;PCI compliance is a joke, yet it accounts for good chunk of the expense budget...that gets passed onto the customer. thus we have bitcoin. So what happens in 20 years big government regulates BTC and you need 10 licenses just to touch it in Country XYZ? 532783;1393435973;mircea_popescu;eh let teh vcs have fun 532784;1393436093;ThickAsThieves;pci compliance is most definitely a joke 532785;1393436114;TomServo;No doubt. It worked wonders for Target, didn't it! 532786;1393436182;thestringpuller;lol operate a bitcoin exchange from a space station. no government there... 532787;1393436204;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: elevator for bags of fiat? 532788;1393436217;Duffer1;mining farm in space, free cooling 532789;1393436228;asciilifeform;Duffer1: cooling in space is a bitch 532790;1393436247;asciilifeform;(radiative only, if this is somehow non-obvious) 532791;1393436265;Duffer1;no i know :P 532792;1393436334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35611 @ 0.00088327 = 31.4541 BTC [-] {2} 532793;1393436368;Duffer1;can a level of bureaucracy exist sufficient to regulate Bitcoin? 532794;1393436395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1989 @ 0.00088021 = 1.7507 BTC [-] 532795;1393436397;diametric;I think the problem is people use the word regulate like its some specific thing. 532796;1393436436;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> Duffer1: cooling in space is a bitch << this somehow never is directly obvious 532797;1393436459;asciilifeform;phun phact - in soviet prison camps, notes ('scribbles', roughly translated from the argot) went around freely from one end of the archipelago to another. (how? bribe a guard) 532798;1393436462;mircea_popescu;but one of the biggest problems for any energetically intensive application outside of earth is like... how the fuck you cool it. 532799;1393436471;mircea_popescu;you'll end up with larger heat exchangers than solar panels 532800;1393436477;asciilifeform;so something resembling bitcoin (well, more like Hawala) could have worked even there. 532801;1393436503;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "there is no prison that may hold the literate" 532802;1393436517;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00597499 = 0.1314 BTC [+] 532803;1393436518;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.08388998 = 0.1678 BTC [-] 532804;1393436526;mircea_popescu;diametric but it is a specific thing. it means "fucking" :D 532805;1393436526;asciilifeform;and i'm sure virtually everyone is familiar with the use of morse code by prisoners, historically. 532806;1393436573;ThickAsThieves;in case anyone is bored and wants to troll Wired: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yzz24/im_a_reporter_with_wired_if_you_worked_at_gox_and/ 532807;1393436575;asciilifeform;re: heat sinks: this is how the americans spotted the radiothermally-powered (Pu core) soviet satellites - enormous fins. 532808;1393436579;mircea_popescu;"Tough Women followed you" 532809;1393436582;mircea_popescu;fucking story of my life. 532810;1393436582;asciilifeform;that and, well, absence of solar panels. 532811;1393436601;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform indeed 532812;1393436609;mircea_popescu;"hey those don't really look like solar panels ?!" 532813;1393436639;asciilifeform;rtg can be built to happily run for centuries. 532814;1393436702;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33499 @ 0.00087986 = 29.4744 BTC [-] {2} 532815;1393436714;nubbins`;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/25/man-shoots-himself_n_4853983.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular 532816;1393436714;ozbot;Man Accidentally Kills Self With Gun During Demonstration On Gun Safety 532817;1393436727;nubbins`;"The 36-year-old man ... was attempting to demonstrate the safety of the handguns by holding them to his head and pulling the trigger." 532818;1393436736;nubbins`;because that's how you demonstrate that 532819;1393436761;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00597499 = 0.1972 BTC [+] 532820;1393436762;nubbins`;for my next trick, i will demonstrate the safety of this prop knife by falling on it from my balcony. 532821;1393436764;asciilifeform;tldr, insurance fraud. 532822;1393436766;Duffer1;have you seen the one with the black cop shoots himself in a classroom during a safety demo? 532823;1393436780;Duffer1;i'll try to find it 532824;1393436784;nubbins`;what does black have to do with it? 532825;1393436801;mircea_popescu;i was thinking that 532826;1393436808;Duffer1;an adjective to help describe the specific video i'm thinking of 532827;1393436817;TomServo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0 532828;1393436817;ozbot;Cop Shoots himself in the leg - YouTube 532829;1393436827;Duffer1;tom wins 532830;1393436835;mircea_popescu;wait there's A LOT of vids of cops shooting themselves in schools ? 532831;1393436864;nubbins`;^ 532832;1393436872;diametric;thats a classic 532833;1393436882;diametric;Have to hand it to him, he just rolls with it 532834;1393436886;mircea_popescu;Paco de Lucia has died 532835;1393436898;mircea_popescu;diametric perhaps not his first time ? 532836;1393436997;*;asciilifeform had a dream last night that he found the coveted n-sat shortcutter for sha-256. the number '14' was a magic constant, somehow. 532837;1393437003;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/infested-bedbug-rentals-unacceptable-tom-osborne-says-1.2551860 532838;1393437004;ozbot;Infested bedbug rentals unacceptable, Tom Osborne says - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News 532839;1393437004;nubbins`;ugh 532840;1393437005;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.005975 = 0.3645 BTC [+] {2} 532841;1393437012;nubbins`;this is my nightmare 532842;1393437015;nubbins`;well. one of them 532843;1393437052;nubbins`;curious to see what changes they'll try to make to the residential tenancies act 532844;1393437066;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.005975 = 0.2151 BTC [+] 532845;1393437075;asciilifeform;nubbins`: this is my nightmare << bedbugs? 532846;1393437078;nubbins`;nod 532847;1393437083;nubbins`;my house is attached on both sides 532848;1393437086;asciilifeform;or sha shortcut 532849;1393437096;nubbins`;hard skids living on both sides too 532850;1393437113;nubbins`;sha shortcut isn't into nightmare territory yet 532851;1393437127;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 114 @ 0.00597499 = 0.6811 BTC [-] 532852;1393437138;asciilifeform;what's a hardskid? 532853;1393437170;benkay;;;ud skid 532854;1393437171;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=skid | The term "skid" is in part derived from "skid row", which is both a band enjoyed by those the term refers to, as well as their address. See also white trash and ... 532855;1393437172;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: skid 532856;1393437180;asciilifeform;aha 532857;1393437188;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00595 = 0.1488 BTC [-] 532858;1393437205;nubbins`;technically we call them "skeets" here 532859;1393437212;nubbins`;but i think skids is a more widely known term 532860;1393437223;pankkake;a hard skid is used to store data, but does not work well, and sometimes reverses bits 532861;1393437263;mircea_popescu;nubbins` tbh large parts of the us are having a SERIOUS infestation problem these days. 532862;1393437267;nubbins`;ah, haha: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeet_(Newfoundland) 532863;1393437286;nubbins`;mircea_popescu they found bedbugs in provincial court here last year 532864;1393437288;mircea_popescu;i can't grok wtf is causing it, because i never heard of a civilised country with begbugs before san francisco came along 532865;1393437298;thestringpuller;poor white people are worse than niggas these days 532866;1393437312;benkay;no no thestringpuller those are "niggers" in this channel 532867;1393437315;benkay;nigga a different thing 532868;1393437319;nubbins`;lel, the article starts with "In Newfoundland English..." 532869;1393437325;asciilifeform;little parasites were constant companions of people, historically. 532870;1393437332;asciilifeform;perhaps our little break is simply over. 532871;1393437337;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah up until 1950 or so 532872;1393437341;thestringpuller;also poor hippies are the emperors of infestation 532873;1393437351;thestringpuller;worse than serfs 532874;1393437356;thestringpuller;and they complain.... 532875;1393437359;ThickAsThieves;lol, asshole https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5389341#msg5389341 532876;1393437371;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00595 = 0.238 BTC [-] 532877;1393437380;nubbins`;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_English#Newfoundland_English_expressions 532878;1393437381;nubbins`;lel 532879;1393437433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2925 @ 0.00087859 = 2.5699 BTC [-] 532880;1393437436;mircea_popescu;"Where ya at?" 532881;1393437441;mircea_popescu;srsly, this is what yo upeople invented ? 532882;1393437449;nubbins`;no, we invented the gas mask 532883;1393437451;mircea_popescu;brb going to name some dogs after you 532884;1393437457;nubbins`;i think there's a wikipedia article about that somewhere too 532885;1393437470;nubbins`;"where are ye to?" is much more common 532886;1393437471;mircea_popescu;Get on the go, Let's go (also, a common euphemism for partying, on the go by itself can also refer to a relationship - similar to a dating stage, but more hazy.) 532887;1393437479;nubbins`;ye being, of course, the plural of you 532888;1393437483;mircea_popescu;whoever the fuck wrote that wiki entry was pretty well gone. 532889;1393437488;nubbins`;nod 532890;1393437493;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00595 = 0.2975 BTC [-] 532891;1393437496;nubbins`;most of it is shit 532892;1393437499;nubbins`;hits the mark a few times 532893;1393437500;mircea_popescu;He[she/dey] just took off 532894;1393437512;nubbins`;i.e. "right" as a synonym for "Very" 532895;1393437525;nubbins`;"she's right crooked" == "she is in a very bad mood" 532896;1393437528;mircea_popescu;nubbins` like "the right honorable dorky mcdorkenstock" ? 532897;1393437533;nubbins`;nah 532898;1393437538;nubbins`;well, wait 532899;1393437539;mircea_popescu;so you thing lolz 532900;1393437539;ozbot;Newfoundland English - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 532901;1393437540;nubbins`;i guess so 532902;1393437543;mircea_popescu;lmao 532903;1393437554;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00485999 = 0.1069 BTC [-] 532904;1393437558;KRS1;skeet is white trach or wigger here 532905;1393437558;mircea_popescu;Ducky, female friend, used affectionately. Also My love, used in an entirely platonic sense 532906;1393437565;mircea_popescu;great contribs to culture coming from canada. 532907;1393437573;mircea_popescu;SARCASM 532908;1393437580;thestringpuller;i thought skeet meant the process of ejaculating 532909;1393437585;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: i've seen delivery drivers call women "my lover" 532910;1393437592;nubbins`;dere ya goes, me lover 532911;1393437601;KRS1;thestringpuller: that too, depending on who you ask.. as in ... skeet skeet 532912;1393437615;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC {2} 532913;1393437616;nubbins`;i'm guilty of using some of these 532914;1393437621;nubbins`;"now the once" = "soon" 532915;1393437628;ThickAsThieves;lotsa former pirates out there? 532916;1393437635;nubbins`;c'mon now, we goes drinkin' now the once 532917;1393437645;mircea_popescu;so what does gay mean in newfoundlandandlabradorese ? 532918;1393437648;KRS1;nubbins`: I think here they call the person 'boo'. 532919;1393437649;TomServo;Yet there is a difference between a hill and a big hill. 532920;1393437652;TomServo;haha 532921;1393437657;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: depends on the age of the speaker ;D 532922;1393437658;KRS1;boo=my lover 532923;1393437668;nubbins`;"queer" is still regularly used to mean "odd" by older folk 532924;1393437671;mircea_popescu;that's right faggoty my love. 532925;1393437677;KRS1;LOL 532926;1393437680;KRS1;i need bait now 532927;1393437681;KRS1;.bait 532928;1393437681;nubbins`;"dass a queer smell" 532929;1393437682;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2edvwVIAY1r0gv87o1_1280.jpg 532930;1393437692;asciilifeform;http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-02-26/bitcoin-exchange-mt-dot-gox-shutdown-said-to-be-probed-by-u-dot-s 532931;1393437692;ozbot;Bitcoin Exchange Mt. Gox Shutdown Said to be Probed by U.S. - Businessweek 532932;1393437694;nubbins`;more like "qware" than "queer" tho 532933;1393437694;KRS1;Mmmm elegant. 532934;1393437713;asciilifeform;who the hell is Preet Bharara? i feel like i've heard the name before 532935;1393437728;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform preet bharara wants a cracker ? 532936;1393437737;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00599 = 0.5391 BTC [+] 532937;1393437738;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 532938;1393437746;ThickAsThieves;he's the guy holding the silkroad coins 532939;1393437757;mircea_popescu;best parakeet name ever. 532940;1393437760;ThickAsThieves;if i recall correctly 532941;1393437798;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00599 = 0.599 BTC [+] {3} 532942;1393437864;TomServo;His brother, Vinit Bharara, is the entrepreneur who co-founded Diapers.com 532943;1393437945;jcpham;http://goxshirts.com/ 532944;1393437946;ozbot;dem shirts, yo 532945;1393437969;thestringpuller;;;google explain like I'm five bitcoin 532946;1393437970;gribble;Explain Bitcoin Like I'm Five — Future of Currency — Medium: <https://medium.com/future-of-currency/73b4257ac833>; Explain like I'm five: Bitcoin | Darren Hobbs: <http://darrenhobbs.com/2013/04/09/explain-like-im-five-bitcoin/>; Explain Bitcoin Like I'm Five (In case you want to understand the ...: <http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2014/01/explain-bitcoin-like-im- (1 more message) 532947;1393438009;benkay;bronycapitalism! 532948;1393438034;asciilifeform;;;google explain like I'm five noncommutative algebras 532949;1393438035;gribble;fa.functional analysis - Realisation of noncommutative torus ...: <http://mathoverflow.net/questions/157357/realisation-of-noncommutative-torus>; Basic facts about finitely-generated noncommutative algebras - Math ...: <http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/645775/basic-facts-about-finitely-generated-noncommutative-algebras>; An Intuitive Guide to Linear Algebra | (1 more message) 532950;1393438087;ThickAsThieves;Ships in two weeks™ or your money back! 532951;1393438094;mircea_popescu;;;google explain like i'm twelve and what is this ? 532952;1393438095;gribble;Explain Like I'm Five | Don't Panic! - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/>; Explain Like I'm Calvin - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/ExplainLikeImCalvin>; Philadelphia (1993) - Quotes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107818/quotes> 532953;1393438103;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00599 = 0.1857 BTC [+] 532954;1393438105;nubbins`;jcpham, lel 532955;1393438109;mircea_popescu;o i c 532956;1393438114;benkay;ping davout 532957;1393438118;mircea_popescu;;;explain like i'm five anal sex 532958;1393438118;gribble;Error: "explain" is not a valid command. 532959;1393438124;mircea_popescu;heh 532960;1393438143;jcpham;;;eli5 would be great gribble command 532961;1393438144;gribble;Error: "eli5" is not a valid command. 532962;1393438168;asciilifeform;why hardcoded 5? 'eliN' 532963;1393438171;nubbins`;"wear your failings like the badge of honor that they are" 532964;1393438171;ThickAsThieves;;;google explain like i'm usagi 532965;1393438172;gribble;so i'm looking up to see if a lot of things that...: <http://adventuresofcomicbookgirl.tumblr.com/post/64092309282/so-im-looking-up-to-see-if-a-lot-of-things-that>; What's the Big Deal About Sailor Moon? « The Hooded Utilitarian: <http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2011/11/bigdealaboutsailormoon/>; Stan Sakai drew a comic in 1991 explaining how to make ... - Robot 6: (1 more message) 532966;1393438182;Duffer1;LOL 532967;1393438185;ThickAsThieves;hehe 532968;1393438199;asciilifeform;;;explain like i'm five seppuku 532969;1393438232;jcpham;i think that site is 100% 532970;1393438238;jcpham;bitpay integrated and such 532971;1393438241;ThickAsThieves;from reddit: "What is the potential value of NeoBee? Right now it is trading at around 005" 532972;1393438242;ThickAsThieves;"Noone can be sure until first dividends." 532973;1393438244;jcpham;so if you buy then i have to make it 532974;1393438246;ThickAsThieves;... 532975;1393438251;thestringpuller;;;seen usagi 532976;1393438252;gribble;usagi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 weeks, 0 days, 16 hours, 22 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <usagi> No, but it will go over 532977;1393438257;thestringpuller;LOL 532978;1393438286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00596854 = 0.2447 BTC [+] {2} 532979;1393438343;nubbins`;hope you're getting a good price on your shirts :D 532980;1393438361;jcpham;so they need to be $50 532981;1393438361;mircea_popescu;so what happens if 1st dividends are 0.007 per share ? 532982;1393438367;jcpham;i see your point 532983;1393438399;ThickAsThieves;the moon isn't high enough for such a div 532984;1393438408;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC 532985;1393438467;mircea_popescu;infinite power right ? 532986;1393438473;nubbins`;where are you getting em printed, anyway? 532987;1393438483;jcpham;http://goxshirts.com/products/got-gox-shirt 532988;1393438484;ozbot;Got Gox? shirt – goxshirts.com 532989;1393438488;nubbins`;cafepress or some such? 532990;1393438493;ThickAsThieves;ew 532991;1393438510;nubbins`;;D was hoping that'd garner a reaction 532992;1393438520;jcpham;everyone thank nubbins`the price went up 532993;1393438527;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 532994;1393438529;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 585.38, Best ask: 587.37, Bid-ask spread: 1.99000, Last trade: 587.37, 24 hour volume: 50964.25595437, 24 hour low: 502.0, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 561.245443288 532995;1393438530;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 165 @ 0.00599339 = 0.9889 BTC [+] {3} 532996;1393438535;*;nubbins` discreetly undercuts prices 532997;1393438539;mircea_popescu;o no! look at that, nobody cared! 532998;1393438566;jcpham;umm customink 532999;1393438579;jcpham;doesn't really matter to me. still working out logistics 533000;1393438595;davout;benkay: hey 533001;1393438602;jcpham;i had a need for a shopify thingy 533002;1393438652;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.0059977 = 0.1679 BTC [+] {2} 533003;1393438654;*;nubbins` raises eyebrow 533004;1393438666;nubbins`;they do one-off shirts for $20.75, shipping included 533005;1393438676;nubbins`;my guess is chinese shirts with heat xfer graphics 533006;1393438713;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103 BTC [+] 533007;1393438715;nubbins`;i wouldn't even set up the press for $20.75 ;p 533008;1393438733;benkay;davout: more tunes still on offer? 533009;1393438767;davout;benkay: sure! later tonight tho, gotta wrap some stuff up 533010;1393438774;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.0059977 = 0.3839 BTC [+] 533011;1393438775;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06178989 = 0.4943 BTC [+] 533012;1393438776;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.103 = 0.927 BTC [+] 533013;1393438793;ThickAsThieves;i'm gonna try to get Havelock to fix this market cap bullshit 533014;1393438801;ThickAsThieves;how many SMG shares are there again? 533015;1393438801;benkay;bahaha 533016;1393438818;benkay;davout: i'll check in tomorrow, busy tonight 533017;1393438835;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.0059978 = 0.3659 BTC [+] {2} 533018;1393438838;davout;no worries :D 533019;1393438840;benkay;ThickAsThieves: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MG 533020;1393438862;nubbins`;that doesn't tell the total # of shares 533021;1393438879;ThickAsThieves;i guess it's abstracted by warrant 533022;1393438880;ThickAsThieves;s 533023;1393438890;mike_c;;;calc 12157 / .000138 533024;1393438890;gribble;88094202.8986 533025;1393438894;nubbins`;well that's the thing about warrants 533026;1393438896;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.0059978 = 0.2279 BTC [+] 533027;1393438898;mike_c;^ that many shares 533028;1393438902;benkay;http://trilema.com/2014/smg-january-2014-statement/ 533029;1393438903;ozbot;S.MG, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 533030;1393438912;mike_c;and about the same # of warrants 533031;1393438929;ThickAsThieves;hmm 533032;1393438931;benkay;wait why i am i doing mp's work for him 533033;1393438942;ThickAsThieves;so really havelock would need to pull that count dynamically 533034;1393438957;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11475881 BTC [+] 533035;1393438958;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 320 @ 0.00599885 = 1.9196 BTC [+] {5} 533036;1393438959;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49 = 1.47 BTC [-] 533037;1393438960;nubbins`;can they do that? 533038;1393438962;mike_c;shares is fixed. warrants are somewhat dynamic. 533039;1393438962;benkay;they can't do that? 533040;1393438967;mike_c;btcalpha manages :) 533041;1393438986;nubbins`;btcalpha accomodates shares being created after the fact? 533042;1393439005;mike_c;it accomodates warrants being issued 533043;1393439019;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 227 @ 0.0055 = 1.2485 BTC 533044;1393439041;nubbins`;suppose i cash in my warrant today. 192,000 s.mg shares get pushed to my account 533045;1393439046;nubbins`;how does havelock find out about this? 533046;1393439063;mike_c;monthly statement 533047;1393439073;benkay;sounds like a thing havelock and the pt managers should really have thought about. 533048;1393439079;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00599999 = 0.408 BTC [+] {2} 533049;1393439097;nubbins`;mike_c: so the numbers could be inaccurate on havelock for up to 30 days 533050;1393439101;ThickAsThieves;well this week havelock becomes the PT manager 533051;1393439114;mike_c;only sort of. fully dilute market cap doesn't change 533052;1393439118;ThickAsThieves;surely James and Mircea can sort out a way to reliably get a count 533053;1393439119;benkay;guess that means you don't have to worry about any of this bullshit, eh, ThickAsThieves? 533054;1393439132;ThickAsThieves;well i want neo's to be right mostly 533055;1393439139;mircea_popescu;S.MG has a total of 88`096`605 authorised shares outstanding 533056;1393439140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17068 @ 0.00088091 = 15.0354 BTC [+] 533057;1393439140;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 211 @ 0.00599892 = 1.2658 BTC [-] {3} 533058;1393439176;mircea_popescu;and why are warrants included or what are we discussing ? 533059;1393439197;ThickAsThieves;they arent included, but they are a factor should they be rendered, no? 533060;1393439217;nubbins`;i think the question is how havelock knows total # of shares 533061;1393439226;nubbins`;when people can cash out warrants whenever they want 533062;1393439279;mircea_popescu;and for that matter s.mg can write more warrants whenever it wants. 533063;1393439282;nubbins`;nod 533064;1393439305;nubbins`;this presents a problem to be solved if havelock wishes to display a live count of the number of shares existing 533065;1393439307;ThickAsThieves;it just means the cap needs to be more dynamic than ASICMINER for example 533066;1393439309;mircea_popescu;this is what jurov likes so much about mpex 533067;1393439340;nubbins`;anyway bbl i gotta run an errand 533068;1393439346;mircea_popescu;nubbins` well generally share counts change. corps do share-based acquisitions and mergers, splits, reverse splits 533069;1393439354;mircea_popescu;warrants and options are exercised all the time 533070;1393439366;mircea_popescu;kind-of why the key figures are reported a certain way in fiat. 533071;1393439409;nubbins`;nod 533072;1393439450;nubbins`;wait, i said bbl 533073;1393439452;nubbins`;for real this time! 533074;1393439547;ThickAsThieves;alright, short email to Havelock CEO sent, I even gave him all the dataz. 533075;1393439582;ThickAsThieves;(for SMG, AM, NEO) 533076;1393439596;ThickAsThieves;everyone else can get fukt i guess 533077;1393439689;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11475881 = 0.2295 BTC [+] 533078;1393439872;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0617 = 0.1234 BTC [-] 533079;1393439933;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [+] 533080;1393439934;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 323 @ 0.00599869 = 1.9376 BTC [-] {3} 533081;1393439994;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00599975 = 0.198 BTC [+] {2} 533082;1393439996;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11499999 = 0.23 BTC [+] 533083;1393440024;ThickAsThieves;;;calc .000599975*16000000 533084;1393440025;gribble;9599.6 533085;1393440033;ThickAsThieves;;;ticker 533086;1393440035;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 584.37, Best ask: 585.65, Bid-ask spread: 1.28000, Last trade: 584.37, 24 hour volume: 50743.47596829, 24 hour low: 509.96, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 561.356989288 533087;1393440043;ThickAsThieves;;;calc 9599.6*584.37 533088;1393440044;gribble;5609718.252 533089;1393440056;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10499999 BTC [+] 533090;1393440066;ThickAsThieves;oops 533091;1393440082;ThickAsThieves;should be 10x 533092;1393440110;ThickAsThieves;NEOBEE at $56.1m 533093;1393440116;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 108 @ 0.00599963 = 0.648 BTC [-] {3} 533094;1393440117;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.06178989 = 0.3089 BTC [+] 533095;1393440130;mircea_popescu;160mn shares ? 533096;1393440134;ThickAsThieves;16m 533097;1393440139;ThickAsThieves;i had the price wrong 533098;1393440177;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1055 = 0.211 BTC [+] {2} 533099;1393440178;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.0059996 = 0.162 BTC [-] 533100;1393440212;mircea_popescu;lol. bank of cyprus was what, 350mn ? 533101;1393440238;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.005998 = 0.12 BTC [-] {2} 533102;1393440278;ThickAsThieves;€ 371.59m 533103;1393440310;mircea_popescu;well so almost there 533104;1393440360;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 168 @ 0.005998 = 1.0077 BTC [-] {2} 533105;1393440421;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 253 @ 0.000501 = 0.1268 BTC [+] 533106;1393440597;ThickAsThieves;http://gothamist.com/2014/02/26/spike_lee_goes_off_about_the_mother.php 533107;1393440624;ThickAsThieves;i'm having real trouble understanding the growing trend of american anti-gentrificationism 533108;1393440726;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.061 = 0.305 BTC [-] {2} 533109;1393440727;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00599972 = 0.75 BTC [+] 533110;1393440734;mircea_popescu;"we're poor and dirty why should anyone be rich" not enough ? 533111;1393440737;mooninite;MtGox Update 3: I found it, my usb with 700k bitcoins, It had fell down the side of the sofa at starbucks, withdrawals to resume soonish. 533112;1393440748;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: people dream of keeping their money 533113;1393440757;asciilifeform;is this really deep science? 533114;1393440829;mircea_popescu;"You have to come with respect. Theres a code." 533115;1393440831;mircea_popescu;ahahaha epic. 533116;1393440835;mircea_popescu;fuck you and your fucking code. 533117;1393440838;ThickAsThieves;the comments are ridiculous "Why does it take an influx of white New Yorkers in the South Bronx, in Harlem, in Bed Stuy, in Crown Heights for the facilities to get better? Why did it take this great influx of white people to get the schools better? The garbage wasn’t picked up every motherfuckin’ day when I was living in 165 Washington Park... The police weren’t around... When 533118;1393440839;ThickAsThieves;you see white mothers pushing their babies in strollers, three o’clock in the morning on 125th Street, that must tell you something." 533119;1393440848;ThickAsThieves;why? cuz you didnt 533120;1393440877;mircea_popescu;basically, some people suck, some don't. whee why should this be, whoo how could this be. 533121;1393440880;mircea_popescu;it just is. 533122;1393440886;mircea_popescu;part of it, of course, has to do with "the code". 533123;1393440888;mircea_popescu;some codes suck. 533124;1393440911;asciilifeform;in america, there are (de-facto) radically different 'tax rates' (not tax properly speaking, but rent) for different castes 533125;1393440914;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing as a right to one's code just because it exists or just because it's different. 533126;1393440917;ThickAsThieves;god forbid a mom can walk down a street safely 533127;1393440919;mircea_popescu;get a good code or stfu. 533128;1393440928;asciilifeform;you can squeeze into the rent zone of a different caste if you're willing to live where it lives 533129;1393440940;asciilifeform;but when people do it en mass, the landlords adjust the price 533130;1393440947;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pretty much. 533131;1393440949;asciilifeform;this is called, for some reason, 'gentrification' 533132;1393440962;ThickAsThieves;i thought it was called 'life' 533133;1393440977;asciilifeform;just explaining for people who have never been to the u.s. 533134;1393440992;ThickAsThieves;or maybe 'progress' 533135;1393441039;asciilifeform;so it works roughly like this. you're a programmer or whatnot, and live in a repurposed warehouse, with armoured doors. and life is good, you pay 1/10 of your money as rent 533136;1393441048;asciilifeform;then the other programmers think you're clever and get the same idea 533137;1393441067;asciilifeform;in a few years the street is full of people like yourself and you pay the mandatory 1/2 of your money as rent. 533138;1393441133;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform amusingly historic data from 1600s and 1700s shows avg rents being about 5% of income 533139;1393441136;ThickAsThieves;i visited the tenderloin in SF, i dont know what the fuck they are clinging on to 533140;1393441137;mircea_popescu;with tax trailing around 4% 533141;1393441138;ThickAsThieves;it's a pit 533142;1393441140;mircea_popescu;those were the dark ages 533143;1393441149;mircea_popescu;today people pay 50% ish in tax and 25% in rent. 533144;1393441168;mircea_popescu;and then in most places another 10%ish in vat and vat-like taxes. 533145;1393441175;mircea_popescu;leaving them with about 1 in 10 of their income 533146;1393441180;asciilifeform;show people what fraction of their net crop medieval serfs paid, and no one believes you. 533147;1393441182;mircea_popescu;as opposed to the traditional TAKING 1 of 10 533148;1393441187;mircea_popescu;right-o. 533149;1393441214;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.13587998 BTC [+] 533150;1393441225;mircea_popescu;you need a whole of a lot of progress to get people thinking they're better off in vermin infested shitholes today than they were in 1500 533151;1393441252;mircea_popescu;"When Michael Jackson died they wanted to have a party for him in motherfuckin Fort Greene Park and all of a sudden the white people in Fort Greene said, 'Wait a minute! We cant have black people having a party for Michael Jackson to celebrate his life. Whos coming to the neighborhood? 533152;1393441270;mircea_popescu;well honestly now... why would white people let black people throw parties for mj's death ? 533153;1393441273;mircea_popescu;he was white. 533154;1393441275;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00599975 = 0.186 BTC [+] {2} 533155;1393441282;mircea_popescu;give him at least that much. 533156;1393441287;ThickAsThieves;hehe 533157;1393441295;ThickAsThieves;he did work hard for it 533158;1393441299;mircea_popescu;ikr/ 533159;1393441323;mircea_popescu;in other news, the bitcoin Rift guild is about to pass 1k players 0.o 533160;1393441391;ThickAsThieves;is the game fun? or you just in it for the economy? 533161;1393441397;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 136 @ 0.00598329 = 0.8137 BTC [-] {4} 533162;1393441404;ThickAsThieves;i have it uninstalled 533163;1393441431;mircea_popescu;im mostly doing it for the economy 533164;1393441434;mircea_popescu;which i pretty much own 533165;1393441443;mircea_popescu;but the game is like wow withot the stupid shit 533166;1393441459;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 143 @ 0.00596738 = 0.8533 BTC [-] {6} 533167;1393441519;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49899998 BTC [+] 533168;1393441523;mooninite;s/Rift/Guild Wars2/ 533169;1393441649;mircea_popescu;i never tried gw 533170;1393441650;mircea_popescu;2 533171;1393441702;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 17 @ 0.00599976 = 0.102 BTC [+] 533172;1393441743;mooninite;I played Rift, it was def a step of from the likes of WoW. But GW2 is the epitome of "without the stupid shit" 533173;1393441761;mooninite;no gear treadmill, skill oriented gameplay 533174;1393441764;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC 533175;1393441765;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0605 = 0.3025 BTC [-] 533176;1393441767;mooninite;anyways 533177;1393441769;*;mooninite continues to lurk 533178;1393441824;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00599976 = 0.174 BTC [+] 533179;1393441825;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 13 @ 0.16230094 = 2.1099 BTC [-] 533180;1393441885;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 21 @ 0.00599999 = 0.126 BTC [+] 533181;1393441886;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 533182;1393441887;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.060377 = 2.0528 BTC [-] 533183;1393441946;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 223 @ 0.00599999 = 1.338 BTC [+] 533184;1393442007;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 118 @ 0.00599999 = 0.708 BTC [+] 533185;1393442068;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 450 @ 0.00599999 = 2.7 BTC [+] 533186;1393442129;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1738 @ 0.00599999 = 10.428 BTC [+] {3} 533187;1393442219;mircea_popescu;mooninite how does the gear threadmill work ? 533188;1393442312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13125 @ 0.00088005 = 11.5507 BTC [-] 533189;1393442348;mooninite;at max level, everyone's gear stats hit the same ceiling. There's no quest for bigger and better loots. Some people dislike this fact, but I find it nice to be able to quit playing for a few weeks, come back and not feel like everyone else progressed beyond me 533190;1393442397;mooninite;there are ascended and legendary items that would be the sort of 'epic' rarity loots but their stats are barely higher than the regular items, only they look nicer and have particle effects 533191;1393442420;mooninite;so it's a level playing field, and if you want to farm and go out of your way to get the rarest items, you can -- but they will not immediately make you stronger than everyone else, it's just for looks 533192;1393442423;mircea_popescu;so how the heck does crafting work then ? 533193;1393442430;the20year2;*possibly* dumb question, but would it be possible to request the listing of an asset on mpex via a pre-existing account, or does it have to be done from a brand new one? 533194;1393442452;mircea_popescu;the20year2 there's no requirement it be a new account 533195;1393442465;mircea_popescu;i don't think any assets were listed off new accounts anyway, what sense'd that make ? 533196;1393442484;mike_c;% as rent has more to do with density, no? 533197;1393442494;the20year2;My primary concern/question if the requirement is always 30btc to list an asset 533198;1393442505;mike_c;% as rent climbs as population density rises 533199;1393442515;mircea_popescu;there's no 30 btc to list an asset tho. 533200;1393442525;the20year2;But, 30btc to sign up an account 533201;1393442536;mircea_popescu;mpex works exactly like a stock exchange is supposed to work, the asset should ideally take an underwriter 533202;1393442560;mircea_popescu;which is someone with the experience and contacts required to maintain the financial side of things. 533203;1393442581;mircea_popescu;if every ipo also bought a pit spot it'd be the fucking end of the world over at nyse. 533204;1393442632;mircea_popescu;in some cases obviously the asset is owned by an actual investment bank which already has a seat. this is by no means common or the rule. esp as things mature. 533205;1393442638;the20year2;And who is the contact? 533206;1393442644;the20year2;You're talking about market makers, correct? 533207;1393442646;mircea_popescu;the contact for what exactly ? 533208;1393442651;mircea_popescu;uh no. 533209;1393442699;the20year2;the underwriter for an asset on mpex 533210;1393442739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00087857 = 20.5585 BTC [-] {3} 533211;1393442748;mircea_popescu;there's no requirement that the underwriter marketmakes 533212;1393442763;mircea_popescu;with the exception of x.eur and the options, mpex assets aren't mm'd specifically 533213;1393442771;mircea_popescu;anyone can be the mm or somescuh. 533214;1393442786;the20year2;I guess I'm trying to determine if there'd be use in whether there would be a use for a USD rentalstarter bond on mpex 533215;1393442808;the20year2;And if so, the costs of doing such 533216;1393442821;mircea_popescu;aha. 533217;1393442863;the20year2;We should hit $500k in total NAV by June, which is good, but i don't know if it's enough still in order to get a portfolio lender to consider us 533218;1393442880;mircea_popescu;well, if you aren't in the business, the logical step would be to talk to someone who is. 533219;1393442920;the20year2;Which was the whole idea behind doing this 2nd round of funding via havelock. So, then i've got to consider what non-share options there exist for business financing. Issuing interest bearing bonds are one of those things that many businesses do when they don't/can't apply for bank financing. 533220;1393442922;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.115 = 3.45 BTC [+] {3} 533221;1393442941;mike_c;but you'd have to pay interest in btc.. 533222;1393442972;the20year2;Well , if it works as a BTC short, then the interest being paid would be tied to USD rather than BTC, but still paid via btc as the medium 533223;1393442983;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11520433 = 0.2304 BTC [+] {2} 533224;1393442985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00087823 = 2.6786 BTC [-] 533225;1393443044;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.11540966 = 0.8079 BTC [+] 533226;1393443045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14720 @ 0.0008781 = 12.9256 BTC [-] {3} 533227;1393443055;nubbins`;<mircea_popescu> today people pay 50% ish in tax and 25% in rent. <<< you're obviously not from canada 533228;1393443067;mircea_popescu;nubbins` was thinking more of a us thing. 533229;1393443088;the20year2;isn't it flipped in canada? 533230;1393443167;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11540966 = 0.2308 BTC [+] 533231;1393443203;the20year2;Then of course, depending on the cost, issuing bonds in the US may be preferential to pursuing issuance on a bitcoin based exchange 533232;1393443227;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.00599999 = 0.396 BTC [+] 533233;1393443288;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00599999 = 0.132 BTC [+] {2} 533234;1393443306;the20year2;Hopefully I'm making sense 533235;1393443336;the20year2;The two questions are : Would a USD bond (to short BTC:USD) be useful on somewhere like mpex, and if so, what would the cost be to do such a venture from the issuer standpoint 533236;1393443350;nubbins`;wait, sorry, 25% of gross pay 533237;1393443356;nubbins`;i see 533238;1393443371;nubbins`;~50% of net for housing is the norm here 533239;1393443377;the20year2;US they want to see 35% 533240;1393443378;mike_c;there's already a btc hedge on mpex in x.eur. i'm not sure how much appetite you'll find for a bond that will decrease in NAV and interest rate as btc rises. 533241;1393443380;nubbins`;depending on your tax bracket, that could be around 25% of gross 533242;1393443381;the20year2;and that includes usually utilities 533243;1393443467;mircea_popescu;the20year2 what makes you tihnk you have the credibility to issue bonds in the first place ? 533244;1393443472;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00088321 = 0.2208 BTC [-] 533245;1393443473;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 491 @ 0.00599996 = 2.946 BTC [-] {7} 533246;1393443481;mircea_popescu;i mean equity is one thing, people love throwing money away 533247;1393443489;mircea_popescu;but a fixed upside requires a very narrow downside. 533248;1393443531;the20year2;I'd like to think i've been more transparent with rentalstarter than most other issuers have been with their respective listings. Of course, i'm still asking if this is a possibility at any rate 533249;1393443532;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 220 @ 0.00086551 = 0.1904 BTC [-] {2} 533250;1393443533;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.1155 = 0.3465 BTC [+] 533251;1393443593;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 201 @ 0.006 = 1.206 BTC [+] {5} 533252;1393443594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00087755 = 11.9786 BTC [-] {4} 533253;1393443617;mircea_popescu;a possibility it is, of course, but transparency is hardly much of a qualification. 533254;1393443654;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 155 @ 0.006 = 0.93 BTC [+] {2} 533255;1393443687;the20year2;With the number of companies that have outright scammed people i'd kind of expect it to at least play a partial role in future issuer plans. 533256;1393443702;mike_c;how many companies on mpex have scammed people? 533257;1393443715;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00599999 = 0.408 BTC [-] {2} 533258;1393443730;the20year2;I'm not aware of any, however i'm talking about the landry list of stocks out there that have. 533259;1393443790;mircea_popescu;in general companies that can't finance themselves through stock issuance have little or no hope of placing bonds successfully. 533260;1393443801;mircea_popescu;at least i've never heard of pinksheet bonds issuance. 533261;1393443865;thestringpuller;people need to stop financing period until their business actually runs 533262;1393443870;the20year2;There's a medium sized REIT i ran into out of texas that issued bonds here pretty recently in the same way I would like to do ours 533263;1393443892;the20year2;To issue bonds in the US, up to $50m all that is required is to issue a PPM and file with the SEC in the respective investor's state 533264;1393443898;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 167 @ 0.00599999 = 1.002 BTC [-] {2} 533265;1393443906;the20year2;Then, depending on accreditation you then are limited to a number of investors 533266;1393443960;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00599999 = 0.33 BTC [-] 533267;1393444081;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00599999 = 0.54 BTC [-] 533268;1393444160;mircea_popescu;what's "run into" mean ? 533269;1393444180;mircea_popescu;jesus fuck, i go craft, check twitter half hour later, 24 interactions 533270;1393444184;mircea_popescu;how is one supposed to handle this shit 533271;1393444196;thestringpuller;you ignore them 533272;1393444203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10997 @ 0.00088005 = 9.6779 BTC [+] 533273;1393444203;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00599999 = 0.45 BTC [-] 533274;1393444317;mircea_popescu;i guess so. 533275;1393444325;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.006 = 0.24 BTC [+] 533276;1393444354;mircea_popescu;actually goes pretty fast. 533277;1393444367;mircea_popescu;most of it is just spam basically made to make one feel important. 533278;1393444375;mircea_popescu;takes about 3 minutes to cut through 25 interactions. 533279;1393444494;the20year2;at least bots think you're important 533280;1393444753;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00599 = 1.198 BTC [-] {2} 533281;1393444884;mircea_popescu;not a matter of bots, just, all interaction is split up in n atomic bits 533282;1393444935;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1155 BTC [+] 533283;1393444997;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018499 = 0.185 BTC [+] 533284;1393445057;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 362 @ 0.00050899 = 0.1843 BTC [+] {2} 533285;1393445058;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.00599998 = 0.612 BTC [+] 533286;1393445117;mike_c;the gox failure has clearly been depressing ATC prices.. 533287;1393445118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00088005 = 7.7444 BTC [+] 533288;1393445179;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.00599999 = 0.372 BTC [+] 533289;1393445302;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02289649 = 0.229 BTC [-] 533290;1393445351;ThickAsThieves;http://www.businessinsider.com/senator-calls-for-bitcoin-ban-2014-2 533291;1393445372;ThickAsThieves;look at those assholes shoving iphones in his face 533292;1393445372;ThickAsThieves;lol 533293;1393445466;mike_c;"I am most concerned that as Bitcoin is inevitably banned in other countries, Americans will be left holding the bag on a valueless currency" 533294;1393445471;ThickAsThieves;have at em boys: https://twitter.com/Sen_JoeManchin 533295;1393445494;Jere_Jones;"ban bitcoin" lol 533296;1393445534;ArsKisS;aaand... it's banned 533297;1393445539;mircea_popescu;what is ? 533298;1393445539;ArsKisS;wait wut 533299;1393445541;ArsKisS;bitcoin 533300;1393445545;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1124 @ 0.00052998 = 0.5957 BTC [+] {4} 533301;1393445549;mircea_popescu;in pakistan ? 533302;1393445556;ArsKisS;aah 533303;1393445564;ArsKisS;you didn't see the rows before my comment 533304;1393445582;ThickAsThieves;every politician needs some aide telling him to consider what implications his comments have on the US dollar 533305;1393445588;ThickAsThieves;ban USD! 533306;1393445590;ArsKisS;[22:11:12] <ThickAsThieves> have at em boys: https://twitter.com/Sen_JoeManchin 533307;1393445590;ArsKisS;[22:11:35] <Jere_Jones> "ban bitcoin" lol 533308;1393445609;ThickAsThieves;[15:09] <ThickAsThieves> http://www.businessinsider.com/senator-calls-for-bitcoin-ban-2014-2 533309;1393445609;ThickAsThieves;[15:09] <ThickAsThieves> look at those assholes shoving iphones in his face 533310;1393445609;ThickAsThieves;[15:09] <ThickAsThieves> lol 533311;1393445613;ThickAsThieves;^ mp 533312;1393445626;asciilifeform;only reason the ban isn't official yet is that ft. meade hasn't finished the beta version of the IRSCoin that u.s. citizens will be asked to trade their TerroristCoins for. 533313;1393445664;ThickAsThieves;"Bitcoin has also become a haven for individuals to buy black market items. " shit it's harder to get stuff with bitcoin than dollars now 533314;1393445680;mircea_popescu;oic 533315;1393445731;mircea_popescu;meanwhile i'm having fun on twitter with twerps who describe themselves as "Strategy & Research" 533316;1393445739;mircea_popescu;and then do website design for a living. 533317;1393445742;ThickAsThieves;i wonder, is there a legal ground for disallowing the USG to ban it on grounds that it would destroy huge amounts of wealth for US citizens already invested? 533318;1393445749;mircea_popescu;because srsly. that's where it's aty. 533319;1393445757;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves no. 533320;1393445767;mircea_popescu;the usg has the god given right to destroy any wealth of its citizens it can. 533321;1393445780;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: hemp, gold, 100 other historical examples 533322;1393445824;ThickAsThieves;i like those examples 533323;1393445827;ThickAsThieves;cuz they failed 533324;1393445839;ArsKisS;http://auroracoin.org/ 533325;1393445842;ArsKisS;btw what do you think? 533326;1393445846;ThickAsThieves;scam 533327;1393445850;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00087832 = 8.6954 BTC [-] 533328;1393445850;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599999 = 0.3 BTC [+] 533329;1393445860;ArsKisS;ThickAsThieves, iceland government gonna scam their citizens? 533330;1393445873;ThickAsThieves;where do you see the gov being involved? 533331;1393445890;ArsKisS;afaik they gonna distribute 533332;1393445895;ThickAsThieves;afaik? 533333;1393445897;gx;god, that article just drives me nuts 533334;1393445898;ThickAsThieves;k more 533335;1393445900;ArsKisS;as far as i know 533336;1393445914;gx;we should ban it, because it's unstable 533337;1393445915;gx;rofl 533338;1393445917;ThickAsThieves;you dont know 533339;1393445921;ThickAsThieves;is what you mean to say 533340;1393445927;asciilifeform;national altchains are inevitable - just like the idiot national cryptosystems of the '80s-90s 533341;1393445939;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i bet you not in 2014. 533342;1393445942;ThickAsThieves;maybe so, but auroracoin isnt one 533343;1393445947;asciilifeform;as soon as these folks figure out how to diddle the crypto 533344;1393445953;mircea_popescu;not even 533345;1393445959;asciilifeform;straight key escrow is a little out of fashion 533346;1393445964;mircea_popescu;as soon as they figure out wtf they are. will be 2015 at the ealiest. 533347;1393445964;asciilifeform;it's gonna have to be something more subtle 533348;1393445972;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00599998 = 0.24 BTC [-] 533349;1393445980;ThickAsThieves;it's premined and there's a hard fork already?! 533350;1393445986;ThickAsThieves;lolroracoin 533351;1393445997;mircea_popescu;lmao 533352;1393445999;ArsKisS;ThickAsThieves, well, that knida explained :P 533353;1393446016;Duffer1;not like the premine was a lot of coins just a mere 50% 533354;1393446025;ArsKisS;:D 533355;1393446036;ThickAsThieves;the whole thing is absurd and insulting 533356;1393446038;gx;Before the U.S. gets too far behind the curve on this important topic, I urge the regulators to work together, act quickly, and prohibit this dangerous currency from harming hard-working Americans. 533357;1393446039;gx;jesus 533358;1393446056;ThickAsThieves;hard-working americans? 533359;1393446058;ThickAsThieves;lol 533360;1393446060;mike_c;what about the lazy americans? 533361;1393446078;mircea_popescu;gx having fun ? 533362;1393446078;Duffer1;none of that sentence made sense 533363;1393446112;ThickAsThieves;% of hard work performed by bitcoiners = .00000001 533364;1393446135;gx;i'm fucking raging 533365;1393446136;gx;lol 533366;1393446203;mircea_popescu;spam because funny : 533367;1393446205;mircea_popescu;@TomHashemi Did you want to share something with the group ? 533368;1393446205;mircea_popescu;@Mircea_Popescu Nope... I've read enough of your nonsense on bitcointalk to do it on twitter as well 533369;1393446205;mircea_popescu;@TomHashemi I don't write on bitcointalk. 533370;1393446205;mircea_popescu;@Mircea_Popescu you are not MPOE-PR or whatever? 533371;1393446205;mircea_popescu;@TomHashemi No. And why am I talking to derps who think they may put "strategy" on their bio when what they do is code websites ? 533372;1393446208;mircea_popescu;@Mircea_Popescu errrr maybe because I do both? try reading the full page before you comment... 533373;1393446210;mircea_popescu;@TomHashemi Sure, most actual strategists I know advertise themselves as cooks, streetsweepers, merchandise stacking "executives" and so on 533374;1393446213;mircea_popescu;@Mircea_Popescu Didn't realise I had to get all my sources of income approved by you before I proceed. I'll remember for next time, thanks. 533375;1393446216;mircea_popescu;@TomHashemi You're from a different movie, seriously. 533376;1393446243;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wrestling with pigs? 533377;1393446249;mircea_popescu;im on twitter nao 533378;1393446258;mircea_popescu;dun-dundun you're in the shitter nao 533379;1393446274;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXpF2xMlZyQ 533380;1393446304;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 533381;1393446311;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 579.64, vol: 51250.82140218 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 566.0, vol: 34102.75551 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 583.2499, vol: 39495.72382802 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 595.02, vol: 338.71655363 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 574.633104, vol: 14739.30100000 | Volume-weighted last average: 576.844443971 533382;1393446349;mircea_popescu;ono! needs more 0s for volume 533383;1393446388;BingoBoingo;So Imma guess this recent drama means rally soon 533384;1393446398;mircea_popescu;kinda been rallying all day. 533385;1393446452;midnightmagic;mircea_popescu: Why do you waste your time with people like that? Is he some kind of uber-wealthy gateway? 533386;1393446455;ThickAsThieves;bitstamp is much less prone to "crashes" on "bad" news like this 533387;1393446463;ThickAsThieves;so glad gox is dead 533388;1393446476;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic cause i'm a fucking verbose idiot basically. 533389;1393446489;asciilifeform;new theory. twitter used by thinking people is really stego blockchain. 533390;1393446506;asciilifeform;4 bits per word. 533391;1393446515;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in retrospect, "strategy" on such venues should be taken as an indicator of consumate armchair generalship. 533392;1393446521;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00485 = 0.1116 BTC [-] 533393;1393446531;mircea_popescu;i guess protecting the term is impossible, actual people doing strategy will have to find a new word 533394;1393446532;midnightmagic;mircea_popescu: :-/ I don't think so, fwiw. 533395;1393446534;mircea_popescu;kids take over this one 533396;1393446557;ThickAsThieves;"After you ban #bitcoin, could you ban really hot, humid weather? It's really the most annoying weather." 533397;1393446563;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic no but w/e, he was talking at me on twitter. so i respond. and when i respond to people i don't know it highligths them to research team too, so they give me a "who's this guy". 533398;1393446563;asciilifeform;i've nothing against armchair generals, so long as they don't labour under the delusion of commanding actual soldiers. 533399;1393446564;jurov;asciilifeform that leaves obvious coinclusion about bruce schneiers recommended password solution 533400;1393446571;ThickAsThieves;"please clarify whether this ban would apply to @dogecoin also?" 533401;1393446575;ThickAsThieves;lol 533402;1393446578;midnightmagic;doh 533403;1393446584;mircea_popescu;when i get back a "well he makes websites" im like o great 533404;1393446602;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves droopy tits is what they should ban 533405;1393446608;ThickAsThieves;yes! 533406;1393446617;mircea_popescu;big is ok but saggy nobody wants. 533407;1393446631;asciilifeform;i'm a stereotypical, unrepentant armchair general myself. even have a copy of clausewitz somewhere. 533408;1393446633;ThickAsThieves;a scourge on the nation surely 533409;1393446664;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't think armchair generals are allowed clausewitz 533410;1393446671;mircea_popescu;i suppose we may mean different things by the term. 533411;1393446687;ThickAsThieves;someone should do an article on the senator that has "BTCUSD fell -1% on the news" 533412;1393446689;mircea_popescu;my armchair generals are qualified to discuss anything because they once finished a game of starcraft 533413;1393446693;mircea_popescu;and it was really hard. 533414;1393446704;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.0008772 = 7.4123 BTC [-] 533415;1393446732;mircea_popescu;"mpex drops 1% on news of ceo wasting his time talking to idiots on twitter" 533416;1393446738;asciilifeform;i'm just a noob to the sheer magnitude of the apparent civilizational decay. 533417;1393446772;mircea_popescu;;;calc (0.00087832 - 0.0008772 )/ 0.00087832 533418;1393446772;gribble;0.00127516167228 533419;1393446777;mircea_popescu;0.1% 533420;1393446814;ThickAsThieves;lol 533421;1393446828;asciilifeform;(what's the word for what used to be a normal kid, who wants a time machine so he can get clobbered in stalingrad like a real man? 'armchair private' ?) 533422;1393446836;mircea_popescu;btw, ThickAsThieves saves the day. if bitcoin is banned we move to altcoin 533423;1393446842;asciilifeform;how many folks here were armchair privates? 533424;1393446864;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't think these exist anymore, and if they do exist they're prolly girls. 533425;1393446878;mircea_popescu;wanting to starve as sufragettes or something. 533426;1393446878;ThickAsThieves;that's the plan 533427;1393446880;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: girls?! explain 533428;1393446881;asciilifeform;aha 533429;1393446888;ThickAsThieves;we must have an "alt"ernative 533430;1393446896;mircea_popescu;maaaaybe some kid wants to be at stonewall 533431;1393446899;mircea_popescu;without even being gay 533432;1393446902;ThickAsThieves;the senators web page crashed my Opera 533433;1393446904;ThickAsThieves;hax 533434;1393446907;mircea_popescu;(well... he's bicurious. and he thinks he might be gay) 533435;1393446941;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves, at your request : Ah, che bel vivere, che bel piacere: per un senatore di qualit! di qualit! 533436;1393446968;ThickAsThieves;i requested a mexican translation? 533437;1393446974;mircea_popescu;from "il senatore di faniente", a famous opera 533438;1393446978;ThickAsThieves;ah 533439;1393446994;ThickAsThieves;lemme see if my portuguese can decipher 533440;1393447037;ThickAsThieves;nevermind 533441;1393447043;ThickAsThieves;i see my pretty 533442;1393447050;ThickAsThieves;for one senator 533443;1393447062;ThickAsThieves;maybe i should buy some rosetta stones 533444;1393447102;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: modern boys don't want time machine? 533445;1393447224;mircea_popescu;nah 533446;1393447253;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.00599999 = 0.378 BTC [+] 533447;1393447314;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.49000004 = 2.45 BTC [-] {2} 533448;1393447315;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.0055 = 0.1265 BTC 533449;1393447497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00087897 = 3.1203 BTC [+] {2} 533450;1393447619;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0055 = 0.2475 BTC 533451;1393447965;asciilifeform;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10655270/Plan-to-split-California-into-six-states-gains-ground.html 533452;1393447985;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1155 BTC [+] 533453;1393448046;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599999 = 0.12 BTC [+] 533454;1393448047;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 206 @ 0.00055 = 0.1133 BTC [+] 533455;1393448055;nubbins`;http://www.eulorum.org/Eulora/Installing_Eulora 533456;1393448057;nubbins`;^ first post :D 533457;1393448061;mircea_popescu;yay! 533458;1393448113;mircea_popescu;ahahaha that icon is deathly cute 533459;1393448114;nubbins`;prob needs some editing, i'll take another look over it later. this is my first time writing a wiki article 533460;1393448121;nubbins`;i know hey? 533461;1393448126;nubbins`;wonder what happens if you poke his nose ;( 533462;1393448143;mircea_popescu;nubbins` btw, you got any crafting done or anything ? 533463;1393448176;nubbins`;no, only got as far as the login screen. keyboard input goes to the terminal window rather than the un/pw textboxes 533464;1393448183;nubbins`;it's a work in progress ;D 533465;1393448229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11889 @ 0.00087674 = 10.4236 BTC [-] {2} 533466;1393448400;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/dan-aykroyd-loves-new-face-of-crystal-head-vodka-1.2551755 533467;1393448460;nubbins`;in other news, you can buy a fucking glass hockey skate filled with whisky now 533468;1393448473;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00599999 = 0.258 BTC [+] 533469;1393448656;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11749998 BTC [+] 533470;1393448690;ThickAsThieves;"The hack rates as one of the largest heists in history" 533471;1393448697;ThickAsThieves;re saying Gox lost $400m 533472;1393448701;ThickAsThieves;by what measure? 533473;1393448716;azi`;are we actually sure it was a hack? 533474;1393448729;mircea_popescu;lmao mtgox is a hack nao ? 533475;1393448734;azi`;i'd really like to know what was going on at gox 533476;1393448748;azi`;i mean, no blockchain info about the 700k bitcoins 533477;1393448768;azi`;and its unreasonable to think they lost the wallet to the cold storage thing 533478;1393448790;mircea_popescu;azi` dude, they just bundled everything together. 533479;1393448816;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/mtgox-and-ancient-bitcoin-history-the-straight-dope/ 533480;1393448822;mircea_popescu;read that and follow the links. you'll get it. 533481;1393448904;ThickAsThieves;Havelock's response to my market cap fix request "I will keep you posted on when this will be updated and how." 533482;1393448914;azi`;doing it just now.. i am wondering if it can change my view that gox was just too incopetent to run this "get bitcoins and run" scheme 533483;1393448952;mircea_popescu;anyone know a certain Bryce Weiner ? 533484;1393448968;mircea_popescu;azi` well, let me know. 533485;1393448977;crash0verrid3;oooo 533486;1393448993;ThickAsThieves;omg someone on twitter just used "Bitcoin is not Quantum Safe, sorry." as an argument 533487;1393449012;asciilifeform;quantum safe? 533488;1393449022;azi`;mircea_popescu: so you think it's in no way related to the fact that they had some legal issues with authorities? 533489;1393449024;mike_c;ThickAsThieves: market cap deja vu.. 533490;1393449027;mike_c;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2013#396183 533491;1393449041;azi`;the case reminds me very much to the case of full tilt poker, really.. 533492;1393449087;azi`;they were stealing large sums of money but everything was fine until the FBI closed them down which caused a panic of withdrawals after reopening 533493;1393449090;lnovy;no order sorting? :( 533494;1393449111;ThickAsThieves;<asciilifeform> quantum safe? // ya we are at the mercy of vitalik's and jordan ash's turing quantum miners 533495;1393449141;mircea_popescu;azi` basically it's the bitcoinica blueprint rehashed. 533496;1393449145;kakobrekla;the real fear is luke jr, ThickAsThieves . 533497;1393449149;mircea_popescu;they lost some btc, kept daytrading to make it up, kept losing, 533498;1393449153;mircea_popescu;had various losses here and there 533499;1393449160;mircea_popescu;if you add it all up it's 700k btc or w/e 533500;1393449178;mircea_popescu;most of it was when btc was very cheap 533501;1393449191;mircea_popescu;so this presentation overtstates losses to make a better story. 533502;1393449266;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00599997 = 0.45 BTC [-] 533503;1393449268;ThickAsThieves;http://www.bitcoinnotbombs.com/bitcoin-vs-the-nsas-quantum-computer/ 533504;1393449288;mircea_popescu;so today's takeaway is that idiots are remarkable territorial. 533505;1393449345;ThickAsThieves;so are cave men 533506;1393449508;mircea_popescu;on top of all the bitcoin experts in #bitcoin, #bitcoin-otc, #bitcoin-etc 533507;1393449510;mircea_popescu;and on top of all the various specialist investors on bitcointalk 533508;1393449571;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00595007 = 0.3273 BTC [-] 533509;1393449572;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [-] 533510;1393449575;ThickAsThieves;http://gawker.com/meth-cook-busted-wearing-los-pollos-hermanos-shirt-from-1531646479 533511;1393449632;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00595006 = 0.1964 BTC [-] 533512;1393449646;davout;evening all 533513;1393449813;ThickAsThieves;is there a place i can easily see who funded the most recent campaigns of a senator? 533514;1393449815;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06003 = 0.2401 BTC [-] 533515;1393449816;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.103 = 0.412 BTC [-] 533516;1393449817;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-] 533517;1393449866;nubbins`;hi 533518;1393449874;nubbins`;oops, wasn't scrolled down 533519;1393449879;nubbins`;D: 533520;1393449911;ll;opensecrets.org ? 533521;1393450050;ThickAsThieves;whaddaya know JPMorgan finded Manchin 533522;1393450054;ThickAsThieves;funded* 533523;1393450122;ThickAsThieves;thanks ll 533524;1393450138;mircea_popescu;derp. 533525;1393450147;mircea_popescu;as i was sayin' to erik, the guy's the clown of all time. 533526;1393450147;mircea_popescu;http://www.huntingtonnews.net/8650 533527;1393450163;mircea_popescu;A. James Manchin either delighted or appalled the West Virginia voters. Many people, especially senior citizens, loved the attention he bestowed upon them later as Secretary of State. He would produce a certificate with a gold star and make quite a production of just about anyone's service to "Mother West Virginia." Giving away his trademark white or black fedora to young teenage boys along the campaign trail, Manch 533528;1393450163;mircea_popescu;in was known to even pull off the road and attend funerals for people he didn't know. 533529;1393450181;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00599999 = 0.204 BTC [+] 533530;1393450249;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: is it okay to copy eulora-specific content wholesale from trilema to the wiki? or would you prefer we link to articles 533531;1393450278;mircea_popescu;ideally link 533532;1393450304;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 126 @ 0.00595006 = 0.7497 BTC [-] 533533;1393450312;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as wiki articles are intended ot describe things such as they are, they don't sanely need much more than snippets anwyay 533534;1393450317;nubbins`;nod, true 533535;1393450341;mircea_popescu;i mean arguably eulora as-is won't match exactly the eulora as-word-of-god 533536;1393450347;mircea_popescu;hence the utility of a wiki in the first place. 533537;1393450354;nubbins`;yeah 533538;1393450364;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 196 @ 0.00595003 = 1.1662 BTC [-] {3} 533539;1393450383;nubbins`;so, should the need arise, it's fine to paraphrase/summarize info and link to the relevant blog post? 533540;1393450393;mircea_popescu;sure. 533541;1393450395;nubbins`;k 533542;1393450400;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Senator_Byrd_funeral_service.jpg 533543;1393450410;mircea_popescu;how come all the us presidents are wearing cheap synthetic suits ? 533544;1393450425;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00573791 = 1.7214 BTC [-] {8} 533545;1393450430;nubbins`;cotton/silk shortage 533546;1393450462;thestringpuller;only jay-z can afford to wear tom ford 533547;1393450465;mircea_popescu;i don't imagine they're trying to buy 50 dollar suits, so you'd expect they could afford something 533548;1393450486;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00570509 = 1.141 BTC [-] {7} 533549;1393450509;ThickAsThieves;thestringpuller, are you seriously chasing usagi for money? 533550;1393450547;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.00570001 = 0.4446 BTC [-] {3} 533551;1393450791;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 181 @ 0.0056763 = 1.0274 BTC [-] {6} 533552;1393451157;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00581293 = 0.5697 BTC [+] {8} 533553;1393451298;thestringpuller;ThickAsThieves: no I want to see who the other shareholders were 533554;1393451401;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 553 @ 0.00057395 = 0.3174 BTC [+] {4} 533555;1393451579;nubbins`;HIF rallymode 533556;1393451585;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 210 @ 0.00586999 = 1.2327 BTC [+] {3} 533557;1393451595;nubbins`;i had a mid-december sell order get filled overnight 533558;1393451619;thestringpuller;!ticker h hif 533559;1393451620;assbot;[HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00050000 / 0.00052981 / 0.00057500 (3892 shares, 2.06203014 BTC), 7D: 0.00038617 / 0.00047751 / 0.00057500 (21099 shares, 10.07507839 BTC), 30D: 0.00036000 / 0.00045198 / 0.00057500 (69588 shares, 31.45223437 BTC) 533560;1393451645;thestringpuller;wow 533561;1393451698;ThickAsThieves;has it paid divs? 533562;1393451701;mike_c;no dividends and no financial reports. what exactly are you investing in? 533563;1393451706;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 114 @ 0.00589998 = 0.6726 BTC [+] {3} 533564;1393451775;ThickAsThieves;;;calc 100000000*.000575 533565;1393451775;gribble;57500 533566;1393451785;ThickAsThieves;;;ticker 533567;1393451787;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 567.67, Best ask: 568.11, Bid-ask spread: 0.44000, Last trade: 568.11, 24 hour volume: 50469.56136110, 24 hour low: 517.0, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 566.874713657 533568;1393451788;mike_c;hm, supposedly there will be quarterly dividends 533569;1393451797;mike_c;maybe that's why rally 533570;1393451799;ThickAsThieves;;;calc 57500*567.67 533571;1393451799;gribble;32641025.0 533572;1393451811;ThickAsThieves;HIF worth $32.6m 533573;1393451830;mike_c;there are 100m units of hif 533574;1393451830;nubbins`;yeah 533575;1393451830;nubbins`;i'm investing in a cut of listing fees ;p 533576;1393451837;ThickAsThieves;the rally is the Neo bump 533577;1393451849;ThickAsThieves;reddit went wild and added new users 533578;1393451876;nubbins`;this is the first time it's stayed above 0.005 for any length of time since IPO 533579;1393451905;nubbins`;i should really add "nubbins" to my highlight list 533580;1393451917;nubbins`;not everyone uses tab-complete ;( 533581;1393451940;ThickAsThieves;add nub too :) 533582;1393451957;mike_c;their prospectus says they are going to make 6,000 btc in 2014. so quarterly dividend would be.. 533583;1393451962;thestringpuller;and nug 533584;1393451966;mike_c;;;calc (6000 /4) / 100000000 533585;1393451966;gribble;1.5e-05 533586;1393451967;nubbins`;i added nubs. worried about false positives 533587;1393452011;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00599 = 0.5331 BTC [+] {2} 533588;1393452040;mike_c;;;calc .00006 / .000575 533589;1393452040;gribble;0.104347826087 533590;1393452072;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.005998 = 0.6658 BTC [+] {3} 533591;1393452133;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 132 @ 0.00599363 = 0.7912 BTC [-] {3} 533592;1393452194;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1537 @ 0.00599579 = 9.2155 BTC [+] {7} 533593;1393452537;mircea_popescu;<ThickAsThieves> HIF worth $32.6m <<< 1/10 of Bank of Cyprus ? 533594;1393452557;mircea_popescu;nubbins` the ` is silly anyway 533595;1393452659;nubbins`;YOU'RE SILLY 533596;1393452682;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.0059 = 0.3422 BTC [-] 533597;1393452743;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 137 @ 0.0059 = 0.8083 BTC [-] 533598;1393452948;ThickAsThieves;lol 533599;1393452987;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60550 @ 0.00087658 = 53.0769 BTC [-] {4} 533600;1393453016;nubbins`;p liked the shepherd's pie i made 533601;1393453028;nubbins`;"the key to a woman's puss is through her guts", i said 533602;1393453033;nubbins`;she suggested i write a book 533603;1393453060;mircea_popescu;everyone likes fucking people who cook well 533604;1393453231;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599 = 0.2995 BTC [+] 533605;1393453353;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599 = 0.1198 BTC [+] 533606;1393453414;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00599 = 0.1318 BTC [+] 533607;1393453475;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11749998 BTC [+] 533608;1393453536;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 379 @ 0.0059 = 2.2361 BTC [-] {3} 533609;1393453658;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49899 BTC [+] 533610;1393454011;benkay;"u wanna get fucked? i wanna steak. i'm sure we can figure something out here." 533611;1393454024;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.00597 = 0.6627 BTC [+] 533612;1393454085;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.00598999 = 0.6589 BTC [+] 533613;1393454146;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 118 @ 0.00598192 = 0.7059 BTC [-] {6} 533614;1393454207;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 112 @ 0.00596876 = 0.6685 BTC [-] {5} 533615;1393454634;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00597999 = 0.5502 BTC [+] {2} 533616;1393454695;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 221 @ 0.00597999 = 1.3216 BTC [+] 533617;1393454756;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.1155 = 1.0395 BTC [-] {2} 533618;1393454757;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00597999 = 0.2452 BTC [+] 533619;1393454817;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00597999 = 0.1973 BTC [+] 533620;1393454881;nubbins`;mike_c: FYI, i get a "Database error" page every time i commit an update -- doesn't seem to affect anything tho 533621;1393454898;ThickAsThieves;Official Neo Update: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5394823#msg5394823 533622;1393454901;mike_c;hm. ok, i'll check it out 533623;1393454925;nubbins`;"A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software." 533624;1393454952;ThickAsThieves;some funny pics of people looking at people's asses in there 533625;1393454998;ThickAsThieves;like half the pics really lol 533626;1393455173;kakobrekla;why is the merchant copy printed first on the terminal 533627;1393455216;ThickAsThieves;to annoy i guess 533628;1393455237;ThickAsThieves;my question would be, why is there a merchant copy 533629;1393455244;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 525 @ 0.00598175 = 3.1404 BTC [+] {3} 533630;1393455246;mike_c;how many suits does it take to cut the entrance rope? 533631;1393455255;nubbins`;record keeping! 533632;1393455257;nubbins`;OH WAIT 533633;1393455262;ThickAsThieves;rope has infinite hit points 533634;1393455270;nubbins`;but srs, paper trail 533635;1393455283;ThickAsThieves;so print a daily report? 533636;1393455286;nubbins`;same reason voting machines have printouts 533637;1393455287;ThickAsThieves;hourly? 533638;1393455289;nubbins`;(do they?) 533639;1393455291;ThickAsThieves;i dunno 533640;1393455298;nubbins`;i'm guessing, we use paper+pencil to vote here in canada 533641;1393455304;kakobrekla;rope can be overtaken but you need strategy, raw power wont do 533642;1393455314;ThickAsThieves;voting isnt even standardized 533643;1393455322;nubbins`;voting in usa seems like a mess 533644;1393455324;nubbins`;by design 533645;1393455328;nubbins`;to enable fraud 533646;1393455427;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.0055 = 0.1045 BTC 533647;1393455488;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 456 @ 0.00599617 = 2.7343 BTC [+] {3} 533648;1393455527;ArsKisS;http://bitcoinful.com/post/77908378925/hitler-finds-out-bitcoin-survived-mtgox-crash 533649;1393455547;kakobrekla;yes i was afraid of that. 533650;1393455583;kakobrekla;when will we see dogecoin-finds-out-bitcoin-survived-mtgox-crash 533651;1393455610;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.00599896 = 1.0198 BTC [+] {2} 533652;1393455641;nubbins`;when will my palm divorce my face 533653;1393455671;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.005999 = 0.144 BTC [+] 533654;1393455672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00088005 = 9.9886 BTC [+] 533655;1393455704;mircea_popescu;"The variety of these businesses is excellent, and a future where Cypriots will be in a position to use Euros only to pay government institutions is within sight." 533656;1393455707;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves what / 533657;1393455793;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00598 = 0.2631 BTC [-] 533658;1393455815;mircea_popescu;don't tell me somebody took a text with "euro" in it and tried to s/euro/bitcoin by hand 533659;1393455815;mircea_popescu;and failed at it. 533660;1393455854;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00598 = 2.99 BTC [-] 533661;1393455875;ThickAsThieves;hmm? 533662;1393455915;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.00598 = 0.4605 BTC [-] 533663;1393455916;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 46 @ 0.0055 = 0.253 BTC 533664;1393455917;mircea_popescu;cypriots can not currently use euros to pay taxes ? 533665;1393455917;ThickAsThieves;it's a twisty sentence that's supposed to say he thinks bitcoin can be the main means of commerce 533666;1393455932;ThickAsThieves;ah the placement of only is what;s confusing 533667;1393455933;mircea_popescu;he means "to only use euros to pay" ? 533668;1393455976;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1322 @ 0.00055 = 0.7271 BTC [-] {2} 533669;1393455989;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_2Ofv1L9CU 533670;1393455989;ozbot;Greeks Anything you can do we already did better - YouTube 533671;1393456005;ThickAsThieves;thx 533672;1393456009;nubbins`;yes 533673;1393456009;ThickAsThieves;i'll get it fixt 533674;1393456012;nubbins`;to only use euros 533675;1393456035;nubbins`;s/only/solely 533676;1393456060;nubbins`;"...Cypriots will be in a position to use Euros solely to pay government institutions" 533677;1393456060;mircea_popescu;well i guess the part where his feedback sources are tardtalk, tarddit and tardtweer is oddly adequate. 533678;1393456094;mircea_popescu;"can not write copy, great results from the pleb venues" 533679;1393456113;nubbins`;yesterday i learned that all that shit in the bible about speaking in tongues is pretty much only in the english versions 533680;1393456147;Vexual;wanna hear confusing, i woke up with a ticket to macau 533681;1393456159;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00599999 = 0.54 BTC [+] 533682;1393456169;kakobrekla;in which hole? 533683;1393456199;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1663645/plain/) 533684;1393456199;mircea_popescu;!b 3 533685;1393456200;nubbins`;glory 533686;1393456207;mircea_popescu;how long had you been saving that one k ? 533687;1393456221;nubbins`;he has it on trigger 533688;1393456222;kakobrekla;lol i didnt 533689;1393456271;nubbins`;okay, at the risk of yammering on about something nobody cares about 533690;1393456281;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00599999 = 0.27 BTC [+] 533691;1393456283;nubbins`;mark is chronologically the first gospel 533692;1393456306;nubbins`;not only does it make no mention of a virgin birth -- in fact, jesus is referred to as a son of mary -- but it ends when jesus dies. 533693;1393456323;nubbins`;they go to the tomb, and a young man -- not an angel -- says: 533694;1393456333;nubbins`;“Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has risen; he is not here. See the place where they laid him. But go, tell his disciples and Peter that he is going before you to Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.” And they went out and fled from the tomb, for trembling and astonishment had seized them, and they said nothing. 533695;1393456338;nubbins`;AND THAT'S THE END OF THE BOOK. 533696;1393456343;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00599999 = 0.15 BTC [+] {2} 533697;1393456378;ThickAsThieves;blasphemy! 533698;1393456382;nubbins`;centuries later it was felt that this was improper, because all the subsequent gospels have shit about virgin births and resurrections 533699;1393456390;mircea_popescu;not particularly novel this you know ? 533700;1393456390;nubbins`;so they tacked on an ending to it 533701;1393456403;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.061687 = 0.3701 BTC [+] {3} 533702;1393456404;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.102 = 0.204 BTC [-] {2} 533703;1393456405;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2} 533704;1393456408;nubbins`;new to me ;) 533705;1393456415;mircea_popescu;kinda xtianity 101 in actual academia. 533706;1393456427;nubbins`;sadly, i wasted my university years studying science instead 533707;1393456445;Vexual;anrthropology? 533708;1393456485;mircea_popescu;history of religion too. 533709;1393456494;nubbins`;vexual, math 533710;1393456499;mircea_popescu;there's about four different humanities paths that end up there 533711;1393456501;ThickAsThieves;anyone have thoughts on LASIK? 533712;1393456509;ThickAsThieves;will i go blind at 60? 533713;1393456528;nubbins`;anthropology is actually Arts, not Science, here 533714;1393456539;nubbins`;(fwiw, math can be studied as either) 533715;1393456545;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i know some chicks that got it. 533716;1393456553;Vexual;lasers in the eye is never good tat 533717;1393456561;ThickAsThieves;never? 533718;1393456562;nubbins`;i have a few friends who tried lasik 533719;1393456572;nubbins`;they say they wish they'd done it years before 533720;1393456583;ThickAsThieves;my wife got it, but like i love my vision so much i'm scared to improve it 533721;1393456587;ThickAsThieves;she's 20/15 now 533722;1393456600;nubbins`;yeah, one friend said he has better than 20/20 now 533723;1393456606;mircea_popescu;women generally do it because there's few good woman looks that include glasses. 533724;1393456631;nubbins`;http://heddalettuce.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/nana_mouskouri1.jpg 533725;1393456644;ThickAsThieves;meh 533726;1393456645;ThickAsThieves;hehe 533727;1393456656;ThickAsThieves;contacts work too 533728;1393456662;mircea_popescu;yeah but contacts are a bitch. 533729;1393456663;ThickAsThieves;but i dont wear thos eeither 533730;1393456667;ThickAsThieves;yep 533731;1393456669;asciilifeform;everyone remembers that ancient sf story where the 'last man alive' find food and a library, and then his glasses break? 533732;1393456685;nubbins`;bummer 533733;1393456702;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxPRZ9S-qbI 533734;1393456702;ozbot;Harry Potter Epilogue - Saturday Night Live - YouTube 533735;1393456769;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00598 = 0.5382 BTC [-] 533736;1393457013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00088005 = 13.2888 BTC [+] 533737;1393457079;TomServo;asciilifeform: wasn't that a twilight zone episode? 533738;1393457091;asciilifeform;TomServo: maybe 533739;1393457106;asciilifeform;i distinctly recall reading it on paper though. 533740;1393457135;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00485313 = 0.9706 BTC [+] {4} 533741;1393457190;TomServo;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAxARJyaTEA 533742;1393457190;ozbot;Time Enough at Last - YouTube 533743;1393457198;TomServo;Yeah, it really stuck with me. 533744;1393457321;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uywK1QVNuNU 533745;1393457322;ozbot;Emma Stone Monologue: Nerds Love Emma - Saturday Night Live - YouTube 533746;1393457330;mircea_popescu;check it out, emma stone playing bitcoin. 533747;1393457373;TomServo;asciilifeform: The episode was adapted from a short story written by Marilyn Venable 533748;1393457587;ThickAsThieves;not available in my country 533749;1393457623;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00599999 = 0.54 BTC [+] 533750;1393457638;wao-ender;lol that show 533751;1393457651;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you gotta be kidding me 533752;1393457662;TomServo;no kidding 533753;1393457667;ThickAsThieves;http://screen.yahoo.com/emma-stone-monologue-nerds-love-000000328.html 533754;1393457668;ozbot;Emma Stone Monologue: Nerds Love Emma | Saturday Night Live - Yahoo Screen 533755;1393457698;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/438818270381355008 533756;1393457699;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: http://t.co/KLdTeXC4Kb Emma ... 533757;1393457712;mircea_popescu;im putting the link here because something tells me im gonna need it a lot on twitter 533758;1393457722;mircea_popescu;and that thing is so fucking badly organised you can never find anything. 533759;1393457867;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599998 = 0.12 BTC [-] {2} 533760;1393457963;wao-ender;damnit 533761;1393457982;wao-ender;I just found great place to organise finest Bitcoin *meetup* https://www.facebook.com/352009638172552/photos/pb.352009638172552.-2207520000.1393457939./381744045199111/?type=3&theater 533762;1393458050;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.00599999 = 0.144 BTC [+] 533763;1393458057;ThickAsThieves;golf in Bratislava? 533764;1393458172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5778 @ 0.00088005 = 5.0849 BTC [+] 533765;1393458233;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.061687 = 0.2467 BTC [+] 533766;1393458271;wao-ender;well, funny is, that resort is just 21 km from Bratislava, not far from border in Hungary, but owned by Slovak group. 533767;1393458538;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 168 @ 0.00599998 = 1.008 BTC [-] 533768;1393458660;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.499 BTC [+] 533769;1393458904;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018499 = 0.185 BTC [+] 533770;1393459148;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00599998 = 0.204 BTC [-] 533771;1393459149;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 9.18620878 BTC to 18`934 shares, 48517 satoshi per share 533772;1393459210;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] 533773;1393459263;mircea_popescu;the best of course would be this resort five miles out of budapest owned by some slovak people staffed only with czech chicks, serving only slovenian food and with nothing but serbian customers. 533774;1393459268;mircea_popescu;i hope i covered them all. 533775;1393459270;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.00599998 = 0.396 BTC [-] {2} 533776;1393459395;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: now that you mention it, what's your official take on the serbs ? 533777;1393459453;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00599998 = 0.318 BTC [-] 533778;1393459514;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 47 @ 0.00599998 = 0.282 BTC [-] 533779;1393459530;mircea_popescu;i love belgrade 533780;1393459532;mircea_popescu;you ever been ? 533781;1393459572;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope. is it still worth going to after the great clobbering? 533782;1393459579;mircea_popescu;surely. 533783;1393459612;mircea_popescu;the great clobbering looks great especially from the us. otherwise, they have a bombed building downtown which they're pretty much preserving as is 533784;1393459628;mircea_popescu;and otherwise you couldn't tell, even in 2007 533785;1393459655;asciilifeform;i know a fellow who went, and saw the famous airplane 533786;1393459656;mircea_popescu;roads on average better than massachusetts anyway 533787;1393459659;asciilifeform;(what's left of it) 533788;1393459712;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: obligatory on topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1jAmL-rfXU 533789;1393459712;mircea_popescu;aha 533790;1393459747;mircea_popescu;anyway, no, belgrade is good because hilly town -> nice asses and legs on the teens and tweennysomethings, and good nightlife. 533791;1393459774;mircea_popescu;kinda difficult to hire competent waiters in fucking topeka. 533792;1393459793;mircea_popescu;in belgrade there are people who have worked at it for three generations or more. 533793;1393459819;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.1055 = 0.5275 BTC [+] 533794;1393459881;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00599999 = 0.24 BTC [+] {2} 533795;1393459954;mircea_popescu;"if you convince affluent & educated people something is healthy, it soon ends up correlated with health." 533796;1393459961;mircea_popescu;dude not everyone on twitter is retarded! 533797;1393460063;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00599999 = 0.198 BTC [+] 533798;1393460125;ThickAsThieves;"Is Mark Karpeles buying goxcoin on bitcoinbuilder?? Huge discount could revive Mt.Gox. 50k sold in the last 3 days....hmmm" 533799;1393460163;mircea_popescu;"please care about our shitty website" 533800;1393460221;asciilifeform;re: belgrade: wonder how many americans would curl up and cry if given an uncensored tour of some place not inhabited by 'human lite' (orlov's phrase, not mine) 533801;1393460258;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform generally, all. 533802;1393460263;mircea_popescu;i used to do it for sport. 533803;1393460283;asciilifeform;drag americans to see real life? 533804;1393460289;mircea_popescu;possibly the peak of it all was the one tme in NY when mugger wouldn't mug me 533805;1393460293;mircea_popescu;"just these other schmucks" 533806;1393460307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00088292 = 10.286 BTC [+] {2} 533807;1393460322;asciilifeform;lol 533808;1393460350;asciilifeform;imported mugger? or homegrown american 533809;1393460361;mircea_popescu;then the street cops were like... one laughing his ass off, the other looking all suspicious at me 533810;1393460370;mircea_popescu;i have no idea, prolly local. 533811;1393460373;mircea_popescu;some random mutt 533812;1393460385;ThickAsThieves;"Sure. Just outlining that @twobitidiot is a friend of #bitcoin. His leak seems no more self-serving than @BTCFoundation" 533813;1393460388;ThickAsThieves;biglols! 533814;1393460398;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves they're new. 533815;1393460418;ThickAsThieves;ok ok 533816;1393460429;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599999 = 0.3 BTC [+] 533817;1393460430;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 110 @ 0.0055 = 0.605 BTC 533818;1393460490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00087787 = 32.7446 BTC [-] {3} 533819;1393460527;ThickAsThieves;i like how bitcoin might be the first thing since Bill Clinton to get people under 35 to care about politics again 533820;1393460528;mircea_popescu;i thought occupy was that. 533821;1393460528;ThickAsThieves;nah 533822;1393460551;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-] 533823;1393460552;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00599998 = 0.318 BTC [-] {2} 533824;1393460564;ThickAsThieves;senators will know the wrath of reddit like never before 533825;1393460569;mircea_popescu;lmao 533826;1393460574;ThickAsThieves;i hope they have troll spray 533827;1393460576;mircea_popescu;do senators even know what reddit is ? 533828;1393460588;ThickAsThieves;theyll have no choice 533829;1393460592;mircea_popescu;i mean... it's like a truck right ? 533830;1393460595;ThickAsThieves;reddit is already demanding an AMA 533831;1393460605;asciilifeform;the toilet attached to the 'series of pipes' 533832;1393460618;mircea_popescu;someone should do a proper set of questions re AMA. 533833;1393460631;ThickAsThieves;you should do an AMA 533834;1393460636;mircea_popescu;"Did you ever fuck a woman hard enough to end up past her cervix" 533835;1393460641;mircea_popescu;"Was it your wife" 533836;1393460643;ThickAsThieves;lol 533837;1393460646;ThickAsThieves;lol 533838;1393460658;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i did, on something awful. they had a series of aneurisms, 533839;1393460677;ThickAsThieves;you need to work on your brand bro! 533840;1393460688;ThickAsThieves;so reddit can sum you up in 5 words 533841;1393460693;mircea_popescu;do oyu mean my band or my brand ? 533842;1393460702;ThickAsThieves;i'm cool with either 533843;1393460710;mircea_popescu;o i was getting free fashion advice from some musical talent on twitter earlier 533844;1393460718;mircea_popescu;and also strategy pointers from some webmaster 533845;1393460722;ThickAsThieves;i saw hehe 533846;1393460735;ThickAsThieves;take them suits down a notch 533847;1393460744;ThickAsThieves;too many buttoned buttons 533848;1393460749;mircea_popescu;twss. 533849;1393460768;mircea_popescu;no but srsly, it's ridiculous, we counted once. the total count of clothing items on ALL THE GIRLS 533850;1393460774;mircea_popescu;was less than the shit i wore. 533851;1393460783;mircea_popescu;i had 18 things on! 533852;1393460797;ThickAsThieves;see that's branding 533853;1393460799;ThickAsThieves;you get it 533854;1393460811;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what were you wearing, plate mail? 533855;1393460814;mircea_popescu;sounds more like medieval knighting 533856;1393460828;ThickAsThieves;Mircea Popescu Slave-Driving Billionaire Benevolent 18-piece Suit Aficionado 533857;1393460833;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol. well, jacket, vest, tie, shirt, undershirt 533858;1393460841;mircea_popescu;there's a lot of crap that goes into dressing a man. 533859;1393460853;ThickAsThieves;shit i forgot to get Bitcoin in there 533860;1393460855;mircea_popescu;whereas women can get away with one sheer dress and shoes. 533861;1393460856;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 209 @ 0.0008841 = 0.1848 BTC [-] 533862;1393460898;asciilifeform;that's... 5 ? 533863;1393460915;mircea_popescu;"Women entrepreneurs, @Square is celebrating you with an event, & @Maggie will teach you important things:" 533864;1393460958;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hat, gloves, shoes, socks, complex supports and fulcrums for my cock and balls... 533865;1393460998;asciilifeform;complex supports and fulcrums << codpiece ?! 533866;1393461002;mircea_popescu;o btw 533867;1393461003;mircea_popescu;Yet the speaking public imagines #Bitcoin gives a shit @Recode A Long Tail of Whales: Half of Mobile Games Money Comes From 0.15% of Players 533868;1393461014;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol nah. but longjohns! 533869;1393461039;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49947999 BTC [+] 533870;1393461098;MisterE;thought we were going to have a lot more volatility yesterday than we did 533871;1393461100;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1055 = 0.422 BTC [+] 533872;1393461117;MisterE;seems the market has already shrugged off and forgotten Mt.Cox 533873;1393461222;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11749998 BTC [+] 533874;1393461307;mircea_popescu;"Not for #WomenInTech @Jane_Barratt Is pregnancy an indicator of engagement? @johnsonwhitney @thelist @RuthAnnH" 533875;1393461496;Bugpowder;Is Mark actually using the I forgot the password defense? 533876;1393461509;ThickAsThieves;where? 533877;1393461527;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 533878;1393461532;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 593.0, vol: 48924.47505468 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 572.93, vol: 32765.22516 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 596.0, vol: 37428.61558769 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 600.07, vol: 363.66288534 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 583.06265, vol: 14593.70900000 | Volume-weighted last average: 587.870330844 533879;1393461545;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: interesting re: serbo-croatian 'urban dictionary' - http://iraan.livejournal.com/426330.html 533880;1393461548;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder gotta play the entire book. 533881;1393461555;mircea_popescu;when i said they're redoing bitcoinica i meant it. 533882;1393461575;benkay;Bugpowder: sauce? 533883;1393461577;asciilifeform;'ruska joga' (russian yoga) - to drink and fall asleep in amazing positions 533884;1393461577;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 533885;1393461588;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00599999 = 1.5 BTC [+] {2} 533886;1393461610;Bugpowder;so fucking funny 533887;1393461615;Bugpowder;On the plane back to LA 533888;1393461625;asciilifeform;or 'Лучше когда русские тебе отключат газ, чем немцы – пустят.' (better when the russians turn off your gas, then when germans open up the gas.' 533889;1393461633;Bugpowder;Time to work on my mtgox address analysis again. 533890;1393461647;mircea_popescu;albanian tourism lol 533891;1393461650;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599999 = 0.3 BTC [+] 533892;1393461710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00088305 = 13.9522 BTC [+] 533893;1393461710;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1055 = 0.211 BTC [+] {2} 533894;1393461712;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 533895;1393461713;mircea_popescu;Боснийская пирамида ya right lol. 533896;1393461738;asciilifeform;they actually have this pyramid-shaped oddity there, i'm told 533897;1393461746;asciilifeform;tourist trap 533898;1393461806;mircea_popescu;i never heard of it 533899;1393461827;asciilifeform;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmanagi%C4%87_pyramid_hypothesis 533900;1393461832;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10589999 BTC [+] 533901;1393461843;mircea_popescu;"В Америке нигга, а в Белграде – цига" 533902;1393461848;asciilifeform;lol 533903;1393461851;mircea_popescu;this is possibly the mother of all false friends. 533904;1393461873;mircea_popescu;they think black people are a sort of us gypsies, but heh. 533905;1393461893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25840 @ 0.0008855 = 22.8813 BTC [+] 533906;1393461931;mircea_popescu;Цыганский год ahahaha ok that i've heard. 533907;1393461939;asciilifeform;'Украинец' (ukrainian) - infected usb stick. 533908;1393461940;kakobrekla;not just a tourist trap, some people are real belivers 533909;1393461944;mircea_popescu;amusingly, romanian uses "cat's tits" to indicate superlative achievement. 533910;1393461956;asciilifeform;american 'cat's meow' 533911;1393461959;kakobrekla;i have seen them with my own eyes and ears. 533912;1393461964;asciilifeform;(where this expression came from, i never knew) 533913;1393461997;jurov;http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/25/us-cybercrime-databreach-idUSBREA1O20S20140225 533914;1393461997;ozbot;360 million newly stolen credentials on black market: cybersecurity firm 533915;1393462004;jurov;gpx seelling out? 533916;1393462008;jurov;*gox 533917;1393462021;kakobrekla;gox has only 1 mil 533918;1393462033;jurov;ic 533919;1393462117;mircea_popescu;in romanian it's probably cause it rhymes. tita de mita, t͡sɨt͡sa dø mɨt͡sa 533920;1393462147;asciilifeform;neat! 533921;1393462194;asciilifeform;now that you sounded it out, i'm pretty sure i heard it as a kid somewhere. 533922;1393462224;mircea_popescu;bee's knees is also onomatopaeic so there's a thick line of that. 533923;1393462260;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11749998 = 0.235 BTC [+] 533924;1393462304;mircea_popescu;amusingly : romanians are universally convinced (through the virtues of nutty p;rimary education) that "romanian is the only language which is written as it is heard" 533925;1393462323;mircea_popescu;on the grounds that "of course" t, is read as t͡s 533926;1393462347;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/singura-limba-care/ if you care to read about me mocking them 533927;1393462347;ozbot;Singura limba care pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 533928;1393462358;asciilifeform;seems like everyone with at least a minimally non-braindamaged language grows up convinced of this re: the language 533929;1393462381;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] 533930;1393462408;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/grafia-istorica-a-limbii-romane/ < and that re the utter pointlessness of "diacritics" 533931;1393462409;ozbot;Grafia istorica a limbii romane pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 533932;1393462456;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, i'd say it's a good predictor of sovereignity really. 533933;1393462505;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103 BTC [-] 533934;1393462506;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 533935;1393462557;asciilifeform;this post was... a call to throw out 'euro' keyboards? 533936;1393462564;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06002501 = 0.2401 BTC [-] {3} 533937;1393462565;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.103 = 0.412 BTC [-] {3} 533938;1393462566;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2} 533939;1393462686;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] 533940;1393462701;kakobrekla;if you say write ass you speak and read as it is written, i say serbian 533941;1393462713;kakobrekla;lol ass. as. 533942;1393462747;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49948 = 0.999 BTC [+] 533943;1393462748;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00599999 = 0.234 BTC [+] 533944;1393462844;mircea_popescu;pretty much 533945;1393462854;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla clearly your point is innvalid 533946;1393462869;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599999 = 0.3 BTC [+] 533947;1393462878;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i've used the same us standard layout since the 80s. 533948;1393462885;mircea_popescu;back then it plugged into a XT 533949;1393462943;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu nah, you havent seen serbian subs. 533950;1393462957;mircea_popescu;you mean sandwiches ? 533951;1393462961;mircea_popescu;or like subtitles ? 533952;1393462962;kakobrekla;no 533953;1393462965;kakobrekla;yes 533954;1393462987;mircea_popescu;if (no ==== yes) eval (kako is a girl) 533955;1393463056;kakobrekla;anyway, that shit is hilarious. 533956;1393463090;mircea_popescu;i can't really comfortably read serbian fast enough to watch a movie 533957;1393463100;kakobrekla;dont blame you 533958;1393463113;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 17 @ 0.00599999 = 0.102 BTC [+] 533959;1393463174;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 550 @ 0.00593959 = 3.2668 BTC [-] {8} 533960;1393463235;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.507519 = 2.0301 BTC [+] {3} 533961;1393463236;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00599998 = 0.156 BTC [+] 533962;1393463479;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00017293 = 0.2594 BTC [-] {8} 533963;1393463480;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5097888 BTC [+] 533964;1393463540;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00599997 = 0.384 BTC [-] {2} 533965;1393463723;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.00599998 = 0.612 BTC [-] 533966;1393463784;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.0059 = 0.2655 BTC [-] 533967;1393463785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10432 @ 0.00088574 = 9.24 BTC [+] 533968;1393463967;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 32 @ 0.48375982 = 15.4803 BTC [-] {13} 533969;1393463968;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.0059 = 0.8142 BTC [-] {2} 533970;1393464028;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.471025 = 3.7682 BTC [-] {3} 533971;1393464089;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 634 @ 0.00461008 = 2.9228 BTC [-] {19} 533972;1393465065;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 629 @ 0.0059 = 3.7111 BTC [-] 533973;1393465187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32745 @ 0.00088363 = 28.9345 BTC [-] {2} 533974;1393465431;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00599 = 0.599 BTC [+] {2} 533975;1393465432;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 106 @ 0.46069962 = 48.8342 BTC [-] {35} 533976;1393465433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18783 @ 0.00087803 = 16.492 BTC [-] 533977;1393465492;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 555 @ 0.00599869 = 3.3293 BTC [+] {4} 533978;1393465553;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.00599997 = 0.144 BTC [+] 533979;1393465614;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 482 @ 0.00599998 = 2.892 BTC [+] {3} 533980;1393465715;Bugpowder;BREAKING: Full Mt. Gox story coming... (self.Bitcoin) 533981;1393465716;Bugpowder;submitted 24 minutes ago by twobitidiot 533982;1393465717;Bugpowder;I now have all of the pieces to the #mtgox puzzle. Mt. Gox acted alone and in desperation. Comprehensive post after I lawyer up. 533983;1393465736;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00599999 = 0.75 BTC [+] {3} 533984;1393465737;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10589 = 0.3177 BTC [+] 533985;1393465738;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06168599 = 0.1234 BTC [+] 533986;1393465743;benkay;well with who else would they be acting? 533987;1393465797;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.06168689 = 1.2337 BTC [+] {3} 533988;1393465824;mircea_popescu;lol he finally got through the trilema posts ? 533989;1393465858;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1400 @ 0.00593031 = 8.3024 BTC [-] {6} 533990;1393465919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00087803 = 25.858 BTC [-] 533991;1393466025;asciilifeform;from the dark depths of the lulz mines: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/26/boeing_black/ 533992;1393466288;duduqa;Hi 533993;1393466350;kakobrekla;hello 533994;1393466407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00087656 = 21.1251 BTC [-] {2} 533995;1393466434;duduqa;first of all, I'd like to excuse myself for some dumb stuff I might say...I have no tech nor economics formal background, interested in austrian economics as a hobbist 533996;1393466442;duduqa;may I ask a few questions? 533997;1393466467;duduqa;It seems here's a better place to do so rather than reddit or bitcointalk 533998;1393466468;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00599993 = 0.24 BTC [-] 533999;1393466647;cazalla;proceed 534000;1393466712;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.47979998 = 4.798 BTC [+] {5} 534001;1393466718;duduqa;basically what would be your expectations of the consequences of a formal US government (declaraton of) ban of bitcoin. Even as noob as I was, I do not fear stuff as ~bitcoin will die~ 534002;1393466742;duduqa;But would it be able to deter widespread adoption in a matter of generations? 534003;1393466753;duduqa;such as with marijuana? 534004;1393466773;duduqa;given the different dynamics of drugs and currency 534005;1393466775;cazalla;nfi, i'm a dimwit and just lurk 534006;1393466790;duduqa;what would be your expectations 534007;1393466795;asciilifeform;duduqa: generations!? usg is going the way of ck-kpss within the lives of those now living. 534008;1393466811;duduqa;asciilifeform: I think so 534009;1393466850;duduqa;asciilifeform: unpayable debt, moral degradation fueled by inflation and welfare state etc 534010;1393466896;duduqa;(brazilian here, english not that good, sorry) 534011;1393466910;cazalla;moral degradation, you'd fit in well at /pol/ 534012;1393466942;asciilifeform;no one knows which politician will stand on what kind of tank and proclaim 'the former u.s.a...' but we've all seen this play before. 534013;1393466966;duduqa;asciilifeform: sorry, I couldn't understand 534014;1393467157;asciilifeform;duduqa: http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/54697000/jpg/_54697295_tank_reu464.jpg 534015;1393467196;duduqa;asciilifeform: :) 534016;1393467197;diametric;oh no. I just discovered archive.org's 42 gig mame collection. 534017;1393467272;asciilifeform;diametric: now all that remains is to buy a 'JXD' and say good-bye to productive career... 534018;1393467281;diametric;JXD? 534019;1393467300;asciilifeform;http://wiki.dingoonity.org/index.php?title=Other_Devices:JXD_S7800B 534020;1393467302;ozbot;Other Devices:JXD S7800B - Dingoonity Wiki 534021;1393467313;duduqa;asciilifeform: do you envision the possibility of bitpay and coinbase being shut down, as well as second market's BIT, bitcointalk and localbitcoins.com etc vanishing from america? 534022;1393467315;diametric;oh nice 534023;1393467323;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.48 = 2.88 BTC [+] 534024;1393467381;asciilifeform;duduqa: i can easily see a 'great firewall of usa' scenario 534025;1393467385;asciilifeform;use your imagination. 534026;1393467426;duduqa;asciilifeform: we are talking about a huuuuuuuuuuuuuge power, which is being the printer of the world's reserve currency 534027;1393467453;duduqa;asciilifeform: that's too much of a honeypot to let go without a good fight 534028;1393467479;kakobrekla;duduqa , somewhat relevant http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/matters-of-merchant-adoption/ and http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/ 534029;1393467480;asciilifeform;duduqa: in english, 'honeypot' generally refers to a trap. 534030;1393467488;asciilifeform;like a mousetrap 534031;1393467500;duduqa;asciilifeform: sorry 534032;1393467522;duduqa;asciilifeform: let me clarify...that's too much power to let go 534033;1393467591;duduqa;kakobrekla: I will carefully read, thank you 534034;1393467664;duduqa;asciilifeform: I can also imagine a scenario in which such firewall happens to take place in the EU, China, Saudi Arabia, Japan, Russia, UAE, South America etc 534035;1393467668;ThickAsThieves;fwiw I don't believe USG is capable of any meaningful banning of bitcoin 534036;1393467727;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: on the contrary, usg can ban whatever it likes. for instance, it is a serious crime in the u.s. to go to a bank and withdraw $2999.99. 534037;1393467739;asciilifeform;(check with lawyer for the current magic number.) 534038;1393467749;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 302 @ 0.00599 = 1.809 BTC [-] 534039;1393467754;duduqa;as disruptive to politics/government/central banks as bitcoin can be, I expect it to be treated and regarded as pedophilia in a short time 534040;1393467774;ThickAsThieves;i don't believe it is agile enough to anything meaningful quickly enough to matter 534041;1393467791;duduqa;asciilifeform: yep, the "it's ridiculous" argument doesn't stand in such discussion 534042;1393467810;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00599 = 2.396 BTC [-] 534043;1393467811;duduqa;ThickAsThieves: what saves us from bureaucracy is its inefficiency, indeed 534044;1393467814;asciilifeform;duduqa: expect to see many 'ridiculous' things come alive. 534045;1393467831;duduqa;asciilifeform: I see them everyday, and it drives me pretty depressed 534046;1393467871;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599 = 0.1198 BTC [-] 534047;1393467883;ThickAsThieves;opponents of severe regulation/banning exist 534048;1393467888;ThickAsThieves;and are vocal 534049;1393467907;ThickAsThieves;and the arguments against bitcoin bring to the table equal criticisms on the dollar 534050;1393467915;ThickAsThieves;it's very difficult to argue away 534051;1393467927;ThickAsThieves;also banning it is moot 534052;1393467940;duduqa;asciilifeform: the question i ask is "would the adoption from small places such as cyprus, or Honduras ZEDEs, or African regions be enough to bring such wealth and power to overcome bitcoin's adversaries?" 534053;1393467950;asciilifeform;the way bans normally work in the u.s. (and elsewhere) is that the infrastructure needed for a proper ban is created under the pretext of 'humane' and 'reasonable' regulation 534054;1393467966;asciilifeform;then somebody merely needs to turn the dial 534055;1393467974;asciilifeform;from 'low' to 'max' 534056;1393467989;duduqa;asciilifeform: I never played poker, so I was not aware of the tremendous resources usg spent fighting against it 534057;1393467991;ThickAsThieves;furthermore, i believe hostility towards such innovation truly will lead to exodus 534058;1393468001;ThickAsThieves;not of everyone 534059;1393468004;ThickAsThieves;just the useful people 534060;1393468010;duduqa;ThickAsThieves: do you think so? 534061;1393468021;duduqa;ThickAsThieves: where to? 534062;1393468023;ThickAsThieves;i know it would be the last straw for me 534063;1393468041;Apocalyptic;<ThickAsThieves> just the useful people // yeah as mircea said 534064;1393468061;ThickAsThieves;even Canada would be an upgrade 534065;1393468071;ThickAsThieves;it already is 534066;1393468073;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: if you're able to leave now, but are waiting for the ban... what are you smoking. 534067;1393468094;ThickAsThieves;i'm not waiting for anything but my wife to take me seriously 534068;1393468104;kakobrekla;lol 534069;1393468113;ThickAsThieves;:/ 534070;1393468122;ThickAsThieves;put it on my grave i guess 534071;1393468123;duduqa;ThickAsThieves: did you read that document which presumably states that canada govt intends to choke bitcoin's infrastructure? 534072;1393468131;ThickAsThieves;no 534073;1393468143;ThickAsThieves;find it hard to believe as well 534074;1393468171;duduqa;http://blogs.wsj.com/canadarealtime/2014/02/11/canada-regulators-look-at-ways-to-get-a-better-handle-on-bitcoin/ 534075;1393468172;ozbot;Canada Regulators Look at Ways to Get a Better Handle on Bitcoin - Canada Real Time - WSJ 534076;1393468174;asciilifeform;'wisdom is - getting on the train one day before everybody else.' (attributed to leo szilard) 534077;1393468176;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38711 @ 0.00087608 = 33.9139 BTC [-] {3} 534078;1393468176;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11749998 BTC [+] 534079;1393468197;diametric;stopping bitcoin will work about as well as stopping piracy. 534080;1393468224;duduqa;diametric: are you sure? it seems money operates under different dynamics 534081;1393468248;duduqa;diametric:it doesn't matter to you if only 5% adopt piracy 534082;1393468263;asciilifeform;btc is one thing, if you're handling u.s. dollar transactions from strangers, you'll be set up with a stoolie 534083;1393468268;duduqa;it is a whole different deal if only 0.05% embrace a currency 534084;1393468272;asciilifeform;i believe this is called 'controlled buy' by u.s. polizei 534085;1393468298;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00599998 = 6 BTC [+] {4} 534086;1393468301;ThickAsThieves;and what do they do about people already "in" bitcoin, yknow it doesnt require cashing out to use 534087;1393468307;asciilifeform;public exchanges are easy, defenceless targets. 534088;1393468322;duduqa;asciilifeform: exactly 534089;1393468334;duduqa;asciilifeform: localbitcoins.com as well 534090;1393468346;duduqa;asciilifeform: bitcointalk too 534091;1393468359;ThickAsThieves;they cant just erase the tech 534092;1393468363;ThickAsThieves;it exists 534093;1393468370;ThickAsThieves;assimilate or eliminate 534094;1393468371;duduqa;asciilifeform: I can easily imagine agents infiltrated in facebook groups to refrain people 534095;1393468397;diametric;duduqa: i think you'd be surprised the number of people that pirate content. 534096;1393468419;diametric;but yeah its not a great analogy 534097;1393468420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51268 @ 0.0008752 = 44.8698 BTC [-] {4} 534098;1393468424;ThickAsThieves;i already suspect major news comment sections to be riddled with fake anti-bitcoin sentiments 534099;1393468451;duduqa;ThickAsThieves: the power of issuing global's reserve currency is enormous 534100;1393468463;asciilifeform;i'll repeat what i've said in the past: 534101;1393468470;asciilifeform;invent the parachute before, not after, being thrown. 534102;1393468471;duduqa;and once we enter another bubble, a lot more people will put money into bitcoin 534103;1393468529;ThickAsThieves;we can just buy off all the politicians if we need to 534104;1393468556;ThickAsThieves;i know you dont like them, but i'd love to donate to your campaign 534105;1393468565;ThickAsThieves;in bitcoin 534106;1393468566;duduqa;ThickAsThieves: no we can't 534107;1393468568;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: good luck outbidding the folks who print usd 534108;1393468573;ThickAsThieves;true 534109;1393468578;duduqa;asciilifeform: perfect 534110;1393468585;ThickAsThieves;but this senator is singing for 30k 534111;1393468593;Apocalyptic;<asciilifeform> ThickAsThieves: good luck outbidding the folks who print usd // he has a point 534112;1393468595;ThickAsThieves;i guess thats just whats on record 534113;1393468598;duduqa;ThickAsThieves: do you really believe those figures? 534114;1393468603;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599 = 0.2995 BTC [-] 534115;1393468604;ThickAsThieves;nah 534116;1393468634;duduqa;I am a deep believer of bitcoin/crypto's ultimate success 534117;1393468640;asciilifeform;30k buys jpm a senator. it buys a somali 100k rounds of 7.62x39. it buys you: a toyota. 534118;1393468651;duduqa;but I ask myself if it might take generations to happen 534119;1393468651;Diablo-D3;wait 534120;1393468655;Diablo-D3;you can buy a senator for 30k? 534121;1393468659;Diablo-D3;prices have gone down 534122;1393468660;ThickAsThieves;i just have real difficulty imagining the USG's ability and story of how it may ban crypto 534123;1393468662;twizt;lol 534124;1393468664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16282 @ 0.00087407 = 14.2316 BTC [-] 534125;1393468665;twizt;i thought it was 100k 534126;1393468666;twizt;min 534127;1393468673;Diablo-D3;I thought it was 1m min 534128;1393468682;twizt;nah thats congress bro 534129;1393468690;duduqa;ThickAsThieves: they are able to push this "money laundering" talk based on nothing 534130;1393468695;twizt;senators are cheapp 534131;1393468704;ThickAsThieves;and what if dollar laundering 534132;1393468706;mike_c;depends what you want. if all you want is for them to send a letter, it's cheap. 534133;1393468713;ThickAsThieves;you already have fincen on record saying it's worse 534134;1393468718;duduqa;ThickAsThieves: they were cynnical enough to say they dumped osama's body on the sea 534135;1393468733;twizt;ie. there never was osama 534136;1393468734;twizt;lol 534137;1393468743;twizt;ALL LIES 534138;1393468750;duduqa;ThickAsThieves: they can change oppinion as quick as Sen Schumer 534139;1393468798;duduqa;all that 6-year old plot, Obama whatching on a big screen, live...and sheeple swallowed 534140;1393468816;duduqa;what about banning a cryptocurrwhatever 534141;1393468839;duduqa;it would barely be news in Brazil 534142;1393468843;duduqa;much less a discussion 534143;1393468847;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00599999 = 0.264 BTC [+] 534144;1393468908;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7531 @ 0.00087803 = 6.6124 BTC [+] 534145;1393469101;duduqa;kakobrekla: read http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/matters-of-merchant-adoption/ and couldn't agree more 534146;1393469184;diametric;lol.. so latest story going around is MtGox's cold storage failed. As in they can't get the private keys to work properly.. 534147;1393469192;diametric;I kind of want it to be that, because thats just hilarious 534148;1393469198;ThickAsThieves;Pete confuses "vast" majority with social media majority 534149;1393469274;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30011 @ 0.00087546 = 26.2734 BTC [-] 534150;1393469280;ThickAsThieves;I believe merchant adoption is just a malformed precursor to the 100% Pure Bitcoin Closed Loop Movement 534151;1393469368;duduqa;ThickAsThieves: don't you expect a war against usg before that? 534152;1393469411;ThickAsThieves;as in people invading US soil? 534153;1393469438;ThickAsThieves;not sure the relation you mean here 534154;1393469566;ThickAsThieves;maybe gox's coins were confiscated 534155;1393469582;duduqa;ThickAsThieves: don't you expect usg banning bitcoin before that happens 534156;1393469669;ThickAsThieves;i do not expect the US to ban it at all 534157;1393469702;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103 BTC [-] 534158;1393469703;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 534159;1393469704;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00594256 = 2.9713 BTC [-] {6} 534160;1393469705;the20year1;how does cold storage fail? Do they lose the key? 534161;1393469727;ThickAsThieves;pretty much 534162;1393469758;decimation;I agree with TAT, I think the USG is too weak to actually ban bitcoin 534163;1393469762;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00053999 = 0.54 BTC [-] 534164;1393469856;ThickAsThieves;theyll prioritize AML at the fiat entry points, then taxation 534165;1393469858;decimation;As to asciilifeform's point about outbidding the fiat printers, I think that's quite possible in an environment where bitcoin is melting up 534166;1393469871;decimation;think owning gold in Weimar Germany 534167;1393469900;ThickAsThieves;the trick about taxation is a personally believe the IRS' grip on auditing to be a myth 534168;1393469913;ThickAsThieves;it's all automation 534169;1393469939;decimation;except if you actually get audited by a human 534170;1393469945;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 212 @ 0.00053997 = 0.1145 BTC [-] {2} 534171;1393469961;ThickAsThieves;wouldnt that require every citizen to audit his neighbor? 534172;1393469968;ThickAsThieves;the work is unfathomable 534173;1393469970;decimation;oh, it would be a lottery 534174;1393469979;decimation;only the unlucky will be culled 534175;1393470006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59542 @ 0.00087273 = 51.9641 BTC [-] {4} 534176;1393470036;ThickAsThieves;more likely they sum up the amount of eligible tax deductions unclaimed against likely total of fraud and make sure they are still on winning side and call it a day 534177;1393470063;ThickAsThieves;then spend any real work pursuing Google and Apple 534178;1393470083;ThickAsThieves;etc 534179;1393470106;decimation;until there are real laws on the books it's going to be hard to prosecute bitcoin transactions for tax evasion 534180;1393470118;the20year1;is it provable/possible that gox has 740k bitcoins 'somewhere'? 534181;1393470124;ThickAsThieves;IRS would have any easier time if they adopted bitcoin really 534182;1393470127;decimation;if you pay any tax at all on your bitcoin you probably are safe 534183;1393470138;ThickAsThieves;^ i'm not sure about that 534184;1393470158;ThickAsThieves;i suspect the word bitcoin in your taxes will put you on some list 534185;1393470178;decimation;well don't put bitcoin on your taxes duh 534186;1393470179;ThickAsThieves;better to just call it some other type of broader income 534187;1393470213;decimation;exactly. If you have records and a tax return to show you paid something, you are not going to be a target 534188;1393470229;decimation;at least, it ought to be laughed out of court 534189;1393470251;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103 BTC [-] 534190;1393470252;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 534191;1393470420;the20year1;IRS i imagine will/can treat bitcoin just like transactions or barter 534192;1393470431;decimation;probably 534193;1393470439;decimation;supposedly they are going to issue guidance at some point 534194;1393470463;the20year1;Either they'll treat it like cash, make coinbase/kraken issue 1099Ks or make bitcoiners issue 1099c 534195;1393470466;decimation;that's where the 'land of the free' is today - waiting for government employees to issue instructions 534196;1393470495;the20year1;I was involved in a decently sized digital currency long before bitcoin, and the IRS just told them to issue 1099c to everyone who participated, the barter clause has been around for 50+ years 534197;1393470556;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103 BTC [-] 534198;1393470557;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 534199;1393470617;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103 BTC [-] 534200;1393470618;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 534201;1393470678;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1028 BTC [-] 534202;1393470679;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 534203;1393471490;ThickAsThieves;lol there's a Dota 2 official fantasy league now 534204;1393471531;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 534205;1393471592;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00589988 = 5.8999 BTC [-] {6} 534206;1393471836;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.494 BTC [+] 534207;1393471897;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49499999 = 0.99 BTC [+] {2} 534208;1393471898;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00598999 = 0.8386 BTC [+] {2} 534209;1393471958;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.495 = 3.465 BTC [+] 534210;1393472446;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00598996 = 0.2636 BTC [-] {2} 534211;1393472691;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103 BTC [+] 534212;1393472692;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 534213;1393472812;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.117499 BTC [-] 534214;1393472814;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10280001 BTC [-] 534215;1393472816;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 534216;1393472873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14487 @ 0.00085811 = 12.4314 BTC [-] 534217;1393473117;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 171 @ 0.00599 = 1.0243 BTC [+] 534218;1393473422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17163 @ 0.00085811 = 14.7277 BTC [-] 534219;1393473483;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00598997 = 0.2995 BTC [-] {2} 534220;1393473727;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 366 @ 0.0059994 = 2.1958 BTC [+] {3} 534221;1393474132;MisterE;http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57619592-38/sen-manchin-demands-complete-us-ban-on-bitcoin/ 534222;1393474133;ozbot;Sen. Manchin demands complete US ban on Bitcoin | Politics and Law - CNET News 534223;1393474184;the20year1;He's gonna lose his seat anyway 534224;1393474337;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 83 @ 0.0059999 = 0.498 BTC [+] 534225;1393474412;Apocalyptic;good luck with that Sen 534226;1393474460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19373 @ 0.00084702 = 16.4093 BTC [-] 534227;1393474520;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 297 @ 0.00599998 = 1.782 BTC [+] 534228;1393474652;the20year1;he's already on the block for supporting gun control in west virgina 534229;1393474730;asciilifeform;purpose of this joker is to push 'overton window.' 534230;1393474771;asciilifeform;after him, 'reasonable, humane regulation' will slip by quietly. 534231;1393474986;Apocalyptic;makes sense 534232;1393475554;Apocalyptic;.d 534233;1393475554;ozbot;3.130 billion | Next Diff in 257 blocks | Estimated Change: 20.2684% in 1d 10h 2m 54s 534234;1393475801;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00599998 = 0.168 BTC [+] 534235;1393475984;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.061 = 0.122 BTC [+] 534236;1393475985;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.00599998 = 0.222 BTC [+] {2} 534237;1393476045;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00599998 = 0.36 BTC [+] {2} 534238;1393476228;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.0059995 = 0.168 BTC [-] 534239;1393476716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27027 @ 0.00084702 = 22.8924 BTC [-] 534240;1393477631;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.005999 = 0.4799 BTC [-] 534241;1393477692;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.0045 = 0.351 BTC [-] {2} 534242;1393478058;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599177 = 0.1198 BTC [-] {2} 534243;1393478304;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.005999 = 0.168 BTC [+] 534244;1393478424;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.11749981 = 0.705 BTC [+] {3} 534245;1393478485;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00599998 = 0.402 BTC [+] 534246;1393478607;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 83 @ 0.00599998 = 0.498 BTC [+] 534247;1393478668;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00599791 = 0.1499 BTC [-] {2} 534248;1393478730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41765 @ 0.00084361 = 35.2334 BTC [-] {3} 534249;1393478851;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.00597729 = 0.7711 BTC [+] {2} 534250;1393478853;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4949 BTC [-] 534251;1393479522;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 499 @ 0.00085104 = 0.4247 BTC [+] {2} 534252;1393479644;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06167978 = 0.1234 BTC [+] 534253;1393480010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20683 @ 0.00084526 = 17.4825 BTC [+] {2} 534254;1393480132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4496 @ 0.0008459 = 3.8032 BTC [+] {2} 534255;1393480258;Apocalyptic;http://www.scribd.com/doc/209535200/Business-Plan-MtGox-2014-2017 534256;1393480258;ozbot;Business Plan MtGox 2014-2017 534257;1393480681;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00084086 = 5.7599 BTC [-] 534258;1393480682;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 152 @ 0.0059 = 0.8968 BTC [-] {2} 534259;1393480742;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 184 @ 0.0059 = 1.0856 BTC [-] 534260;1393481535;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599899 = 0.12 BTC [+] 534261;1393481718;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 146 @ 0.00599997 = 0.876 BTC [+] 534262;1393482044;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem/status/438891752079249408 534263;1393482045;ozbot;Twitter / CharlieShrem: Can I bet on myself? "Charlie ... 534264;1393482051;mircea_popescu;shrem encounters a dilemma. 534265;1393482052;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla ^ 534266;1393482206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00084252 = 22.3268 BTC [+] 534267;1393482274;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves: fwiw I don't believe USG is capable of any meaningful banning of bitcoin << that'd depend on the definition of meaningful, 534268;1393482286;mircea_popescu;specifically if you'd say it has currently succeeded in meaningfully banning smoking. 534269;1393482298;mircea_popescu;if you believe it has then yes it is. if you don't then no it isn't. 534270;1393482328;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11749999 = 0.3525 BTC [+] {2} 534271;1393482364;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "The Boeing Black phone is manufactured as a sealed device both with epoxy around the casing and with screws, the heads of which are covered with tamper proof covering to identify attempted disassembly." 534272;1393482375;mircea_popescu;and diametric too i guess : does that make any sense ? 534273;1393482384;mircea_popescu;i mean either epoxy or seals, can these both work in any sense ? 534274;1393482511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27004 @ 0.00084414 = 22.7952 BTC [+] {2} 534275;1393482572;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6096 @ 0.00084899 = 5.1754 BTC [+] 534276;1393482938;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00595 = 0.244 BTC [-] 534277;1393483487;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 79 @ 0.00595 = 0.4701 BTC [-] {2} 534278;1393483609;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 534279;1393484002;Apocalyptic;http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/ 534280;1393484003;ozbot;The Two-Bit Idiot 534281;1393484097;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00599996 = 0.18 BTC [+] 534282;1393484118;Apocalyptic;the last entry published minutes ago sums up the events 534283;1393484210;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic absolutely nothing new or newsworthy in there. 534284;1393484277;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, i wasn't aware of the "Mandalah Consulting" part 534285;1393484404;Apocalyptic;also nubbins` seemed to be sure the first leaked document was fake, this proves otherwise 534286;1393484412;jurov;Gonzague Gay-Bouchery, Manager, Business Development Division 534287;1393484443;jurov;..in charge of growing the business for MtGox by initiating parnerships 534288;1393484524;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00599997 = 0.246 BTC [+] 534289;1393484585;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 18 @ 0.00599996 = 0.108 BTC [-] 534290;1393484592;mircea_popescu;"This meeting triggered a chain reaction of events in which the solicited investors rebuffed Karpeles and his colleagues" vs "Feb 23 12:23:59 <mircea_popescu>may be that they've found a sucker, but that story'll end if i find him too." 534291;1393484601;mircea_popescu;you're still better off reading -assets. 534292;1393484619;Apocalyptic;I'm not arguing that :) 534293;1393484632;mircea_popescu;hehe 534294;1393484640;mircea_popescu;well i'm not arguing more people writing is a bad thing. 534295;1393484657;mircea_popescu;guy is a little young and naive tho, managed to come off rather impudent. 534296;1393484681;Apocalyptic;he said something about consulting his lawyer first on reddit 534297;1393484697;mircea_popescu;yeah because that costs money. 534298;1393484700;benkay;twobit whatever? 534299;1393484716;mircea_popescu;every two bit whoever is "talking to his lawyers" these days, have you noticed ? 534300;1393484768;Apocalyptic;gives some self-importance illusion 534301;1393484807;mircea_popescu;i don't think it's even that to be honest, it's more like a quest to belong. 534302;1393484811;jurov;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yzbhg/bitstamps_bank_refused_to_open_me_a_bank_account/ i'd like to highlight davout's peformance here instead 534303;1393484823;mircea_popescu;say poor black kid trying to get accepted by wasps ? he pretends to like wop or w/e stupid music they like. 534304;1393484833;mircea_popescu;he never ever even bought a record, as they're not sold where he lives 534305;1393484839;mircea_popescu;and he can't even name a band 534306;1393484845;mircea_popescu;but he LOOOO=ooooo=OOOVES wop 534307;1393484860;mircea_popescu;baa dop bip bee-dop wop wop 534308;1393484873;mircea_popescu;bout the same thing here too, reddit kids "talk to their lawyers". 534309;1393484887;mircea_popescu;the music rich people listen to. 534310;1393484890;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 21 @ 0.00599996 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2} 534311;1393484891;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10589 = 0.3177 BTC [+] 534312;1393484971;benkay;har 534313;1393484990;benkay;my lawyer has one job: keep my ass outta trouble. 534314;1393484995;mircea_popescu;anyway, pulled his chain a little on twitter, curious what comes of that. 534315;1393485009;copumpkin;benkay: the rest of you is fair game? 534316;1393485013;benkay;man fuck twitter 534317;1393485023;benkay;such import over 140 characters 534318;1393485026;*;copumpkin goes to sleep 534319;1393485037;benkay;every derp face crafting their derpy 140 char dropping for the internet 534320;1393485054;mircea_popescu;benkay nono you don't understand. "strategy and research" 534321;1393485059;benkay;bah 534322;1393485067;benkay;and humbug to boot 534323;1393485073;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.0229748 = 0.2297 BTC [-] {4} 534324;1393485074;mircea_popescu;i fucking love the bs bios they coime up with 534325;1393485084;mircea_popescu;"coffeeinneusseur" 534326;1393485094;mircea_popescu;"chief colorist at large" 534327;1393485108;benkay;mircea_popescu imma ragequit at you 534328;1393485116;davout;good morning! 534329;1393485118;mircea_popescu;Disruption Revolutionizer Extraordinaire & Evangelist. 534330;1393485131;mircea_popescu;davout hai 534331;1393485174;mircea_popescu;basically twitter is what i always wanted as a kid in school : a chance to spy on the losers conversations. 534332;1393485196;mircea_popescu;you know how there's this loser group and they always talk among themselves but if you go by they get all awkward ? 534333;1393485212;mircea_popescu;and you can't send any of the girls to spy on them either cause they get even awkwarder if any girls are within like a mile ? 534334;1393485239;mircea_popescu;really fucking difficult to get good data to mock them into insanity like that ;/ 534335;1393485406;benkay;hey davout tunes? 534336;1393485460;benkay;also who's making odds on when mp hires a twittr troll? 534337;1393485472;twizt;lol 534338;1393485478;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves: i already suspect major news comment sections to be riddled with fake anti-bitcoin sentiments << this is probably true just on the general instinct of the beast, meaning that on some level welfare-dependent scum writing the stuff is aware bitcoin will kill it and wants to survive. 534339;1393485480;benkay;a fuck it has an e these days 534340;1393485499;mircea_popescu;the more concerning thing however is that mah people are measuring incredible levels of random-forum-oposition to bitcoin, 534341;1393485501;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 534342;1393485518;mircea_popescu;coming from supposedly jane and jons next door, who however mysteriously all share the same stupid talking points. 534343;1393485542;mircea_popescu;and this makes no sense because for the money it'd cost to plant 1mn idiots in 100k forums nobody really reads, the attacker could jhust as well have built a mining farm 534344;1393485549;mircea_popescu;cheaper, faster, safer and overal better. 534345;1393485554;mircea_popescu;so i have no idea what gives in there. 534346;1393485571;B007;benkay: implying he hasn't hired a troll for irc and twitter already 534347;1393485571;benkay;pathologies of the welfare state? 534348;1393485588;mircea_popescu;benkay perhaps ? it is i confess one of the foremost riddles in my head. 534349;1393485612;benkay;perhaps consider that the forum planting may be highly automated 534350;1393485627;mircea_popescu;they don't have ai that good. 534351;1393485642;benkay;there are shortcuts 534352;1393485651;benkay;given thread, here are 10 replies. select one. 534353;1393485651;mircea_popescu;no, there aren't, because see you end up signing it. 534354;1393485656;mircea_popescu;i start sifting the data and spot patters 534355;1393485662;mircea_popescu;so far not spotting much tho. 534356;1393485686;mircea_popescu;basically the problems of 1) do what you describe and 2) make a rsa key are homologous. 534357;1393485695;mircea_popescu;i can attack both with the same math. 534358;1393485720;benkay;enlighten me, oh sage 534359;1393485734;mircea_popescu;well but as to which part ? 534360;1393485744;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10589999 = 0.3177 BTC [+] 534361;1393485758;benkay;okay, i'm an idiot! 534362;1393485764;mircea_popescu;yw. 534363;1393485765;benkay;like i'm five 534364;1393485772;mircea_popescu;o i thought you had got it lol. 534365;1393485781;benkay;no no you see i am actually retarded 534366;1393485794;benkay;plus these logs are a thing for posterity 534367;1393485800;mircea_popescu;ok. suppose i hire you to do this job. now you have to make 100k posts a day from supposedly 100k different handles on 1mn forums. 534368;1393485809;mircea_popescu;you write code to do this. 534369;1393485818;benkay;or some subset thereof. 534370;1393485828;mircea_popescu;an attacker sees 50k posts on 400k forums, compares the timing of them and knows what processors you are using. 534371;1393485839;mircea_popescu;side channel attack ? win. 534372;1393485848;mircea_popescu;at large volumes, all data generation is key generation. 534373;1393485890;benkay;so timing's the obvious side-channel, what others have you looked at? 534374;1393485930;mircea_popescu;a coupla hundred different datasets that don't really coallesce. 534375;1393485936;benkay;and also have you actually run the numbers on post timing?! 534376;1393485958;mircea_popescu;i'd be surprised if i were the only one. 534377;1393485988;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 273 @ 0.00595347 = 1.6253 BTC [-] {4} 534378;1393486030;benkay;timing's obvious, though. what other axes tend to show patterns in these problem spaces? 534379;1393486040;mircea_popescu;well obviously i'm not discussing that. 534380;1393486049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53156 @ 0.00084693 = 45.0194 BTC [-] {3} 534381;1393486051;mircea_popescu;if it wasn't obvious by the previous two passes :D 534382;1393486054;benkay;i thought you got out of the consulting game! 534383;1393486069;benkay;let a kid joust, mp 534384;1393486072;benkay;ain't no harm innit 534385;1393486092;mircea_popescu;i guess i ended up self-employed in a consulting capacity. again. 534386;1393486171;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.0229999 = 0.115 BTC [+] 534387;1393486268;benkay;hey so i did this talk on lisp tonight 534388;1393486269;jurov;"consultant for troll activity data mining" 534389;1393486272;benkay;and WHAT DO YOU FUCKING KNOW 534390;1393486292;benkay;at the bar on the tab of some poor company with a business model and shit trying to recruit developers and whatnot 534391;1393486312;benkay;errybody's all "hey benkay benkay what ams a bitcoin eh?" 534392;1393486333;benkay;i actually may have hammered into the heads of some folks that maybe the 'dev team' is a joke 534393;1393486360;mircea_popescu;benkay incidentally, that's such splendid bias. 534394;1393486374;mircea_popescu;most sane people (and defo anyone in finance) strongly despises "devs" 534395;1393486379;mircea_popescu;every geek worships devs. 534396;1393486385;mircea_popescu;cause you know, in geek space the dev is god. 534397;1393486416;benkay;ya well there's a reason there's basically no technical literature on the company site 534398;1393486420;mircea_popescu;kinda curious how the dev thing (as a cultural construct mind you) will fare. 534399;1393486453;benkay;uh 534400;1393486487;benkay;those with mastery of toolchains that enable productivity will help those with capital multiply it and everyone else will serve as labor in the oop salt mines? 534401;1393486501;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform Apocalyptic here's the problem : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533543 534402;1393486510;mircea_popescu;the soviets also printed their own usd. 534403;1393486529;mircea_popescu;nevertheless we were plainly able to buy their bureaucracy once the politburo was unable to keep the suit shops supplied. 534404;1393486548;mircea_popescu;benkay i meant culturally not economically. 534405;1393486553;mircea_popescu;kinda clear how economy works. 534406;1393486579;benkay;i hope you're picking up on the sarcasm around 'business model and shit' 534407;1393486607;mircea_popescu;i am 12 and what is sarcasm ? 534408;1393486620;benkay;it's pretty sad man 534409;1393486627;mircea_popescu;sadgasm. 534410;1393486629;benkay;dev: "oh these guys have some boring business that makes money" 534411;1393486636;benkay;me: ?!?!?!?!?!?!?! 534412;1393486654;benkay;dudes foot the bill for the whole night 534413;1393486662;benkay;none of the nerds are willing to step within ten feet of them 534414;1393486677;mircea_popescu;lol. 534415;1393486689;benkay;i don't fucking get it 534416;1393486696;mircea_popescu;didn't i just say that above re twitter ? 534417;1393486697;mircea_popescu;:D 534418;1393486730;benkay;i stand up and talk about esoteric shit for twenty minutes, go talk to these dudes, they buy me drinks all night and tell me war stories about breaking relatives out of the shah's basement gaeol 534419;1393486754;benkay;climbing el capitan with proto-burners, pre-burning man 534420;1393486771;benkay;everyone else is going on about something in python lib 3 534421;1393486771;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: 30k buys jpm a senator. it buys a somali 100k rounds of 7.62x39. it buys you: a toyota. << this is not exactly correct tho. consider : i have three girls, they kinda like each other. like-like. they share an appartment, we sometimes fuck. the whole shebang costs me maybe 30k a year. prolly less. 534422;1393486778;benkay;I MEAN SERIOUSLY GET YOUR HEADS TOGETHER 534423;1393486780;mircea_popescu;does 30k buy me three young sluts ? 534424;1393486821;mircea_popescu;benkay you're clearly a traitor to the holy cause of geekery. 534425;1393486835;benkay;i ain't nobody's anything. 534426;1393486837;mircea_popescu;careful who you tell or you may end up convicted to six months' eyeroll therapy. 534427;1393486842;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00599997 = 0.24 BTC [+] 534428;1393486903;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00599998 = 1.2 BTC [+] 534429;1393486912;benkay;everyone knows i'm only peripherally interested in technology as a tool to make shitloads of money. 534430;1393486940;benkay;expectations is well-managed. 534431;1393486947;benkay;hyphens is well-deployed. 534432;1393486952;benkay;my shit is TIGHT. 534433;1393486955;benkay;if undercapitalized. 534434;1393486970;mircea_popescu;what for, to buy a senator ? 534435;1393486985;benkay;to prototype subsea mining drones 534436;1393487016;mircea_popescu;and robot nucular subs ? 534437;1393487025;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00549899 = 0.2749 BTC [+] {6} 534438;1393487026;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11749999 = 0.3525 BTC [+] 534439;1393487033;benkay;pff subs 534440;1393487048;mircea_popescu;subs are cool. 534441;1393487071;jurov;benkay IPO it on havelock , like DEEPMINING 534442;1393487085;benkay;manned submersibles? how are manned submersibles not the worst engineering decision you could make? 534443;1393487095;mircea_popescu;you missed the robot part ? 534444;1393487108;mircea_popescu;a robot nuclear submarine is perhaps one of the best power projectors available. 534445;1393487117;benkay;fine fine 534446;1393487120;jurov;until someone hacks it 534447;1393487125;mircea_popescu;it never needs to surface 534448;1393487131;benkay;(but for the record robotic does not exclude manned) 534449;1393487131;mircea_popescu;and it can communicate on mpex protocol. 534450;1393487134;jurov;lol 534451;1393487142;mircea_popescu;hehe 534452;1393487163;davout;benkay: uploading 534453;1393487173;mircea_popescu;anyway : aircraft easy to spot. a well designed sub is impossible to spot. 534454;1393487202;mircea_popescu;aircraft impossible to make large enough for nuclear power to work. submarines pretty much only work as nukes. 534455;1393487205;jurov;LAUNCH|caliber|qty|target 534456;1393487208;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.16230094 = 1.1361 BTC [-] 534457;1393487219;mircea_popescu;lolz 534458;1393487258;mircea_popescu;benkay actually, check it out : robot 3d printing nuclear marine exploatation sub. 534459;1393487269;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00599998 = 0.528 BTC [+] 534460;1393487275;mircea_popescu;it just sits on the bottom of the sea, like 3-4 miles long, half a mile thick sort of catfish 534461;1393487279;mircea_popescu;and it just makes more of itself. 534462;1393487298;benkay;kombucha armaments 534463;1393487307;mircea_popescu;then one day, they emerge 534464;1393487313;mircea_popescu;i think we have a decent sf novel premise here. 534465;1393487323;benkay;i thought we agreed "no grey goo"! 534466;1393487350;mircea_popescu;nono, these never run amok. 534467;1393487357;mircea_popescu;they just disciplinedly reorganise the world. 534468;1393487357;B007;i know someone who'll write it 534469;1393487366;mircea_popescu;i can't imagine a better metaphore for bitcoin 534470;1393487374;mircea_popescu;there's all these people on the surface redditing about shit. 534471;1393487383;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, in the depths... 534472;1393487386;B007;lol 534473;1393487404;mircea_popescu;soon enough the uk falls into the see 534474;1393487406;mircea_popescu;sea* 534475;1393487410;B007;wot 534476;1393487427;mircea_popescu;because the undersubs thought it expedient to cut an eighty mile tall hole in the bedrock supporting it 534477;1393487432;mircea_popescu;because pretty crystals. 534478;1393487439;benkay;hey mircea_popescu are you familiar with the skylon dudes? 534479;1393487450;mircea_popescu;various us senators make proclamations about how intolerable this is. 534480;1393487452;mircea_popescu;the subs care, deeply. 534481;1393487457;mircea_popescu;benkay notrly ? 534482;1393487501;benkay;single stage to orbit with an air-breathing rocket 534483;1393487513;mircea_popescu;o o that. yeah heard of it 534484;1393487556;benkay;skylon and nautilus 534485;1393487574;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30450 @ 0.00084193 = 25.6368 BTC [-] {2} 534486;1393487576;benkay;2 companies that may fall over dead within the next 5 years whose technologies should not be let rust 534487;1393487578;mircea_popescu;how you gonna launch airbreathing rocket 4 miles underwater ? 534488;1393487600;benkay;with an inflated launch tube duh 534489;1393487614;benkay;emerging nearly tangent to the surface 534490;1393487640;mircea_popescu;butwait. 534491;1393487646;mircea_popescu;nonono. 534492;1393487651;benkay;*shooop* exit opens 50ms before nose of vehicle breaches *shoop* closes behind vehicle 534493;1393487655;mircea_popescu;the tube strength and relative pressure required to not crush it at depth 534494;1393487660;mircea_popescu;ensures it does not emerge to surface. 534495;1393487687;benkay;weight one end so as it hangs down super deep 534496;1393487708;mircea_popescu;i think you don't take my meaning. consider : 534497;1393487728;mircea_popescu;let pI be internal pressure, pE be external pressure. 534498;1393487731;benkay;also if internal pressure = external pressure are hoop stresses really significant? don;t they only have to resist osmotic leaking through membrane? 534499;1393487740;mircea_popescu;pI-pE defines the strength of the tube wall 534500;1393487748;mircea_popescu;Stw defines weight of the entire thing 534501;1393487760;mircea_popescu;Wtet defines pI - pE 534502;1393487783;benkay;pI = pE, tho 534503;1393487791;mircea_popescu;then why's it buoy ? 534504;1393487796;benkay;it's not 534505;1393487801;benkay;why would it be? 534506;1393487802;mircea_popescu;then how does it climb 4 miles ? 534507;1393487807;jurov;it can be supported by external buoys 534508;1393487811;mircea_popescu;cause you're launching it from the ocean floor. 534509;1393487812;benkay;it's an inflated tube, yo 534510;1393487814;jurov;but really, what would be filled by? 534511;1393487815;mircea_popescu;... 534512;1393487818;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1050 @ 0.00018514 = 0.1944 BTC [+] {2} 534513;1393487825;mircea_popescu;you want to make a tube 4 miles long ? 534514;1393487828;mircea_popescu;in WATER ? 534515;1393487846;benkay;no what i want to do is go fuck my girl 534516;1393487848;benkay;peace 534517;1393487853;mircea_popescu;good idea. 534518;1393487856;mircea_popescu;use your inflatable tube. 534519;1393487857;jurov;you'd get, like, supercritical (almost liquid) co2 at that pressure 534520;1393487970;jurov;just building 4km high tower would be much easier 534521;1393487983;jurov;on the land, i mean 534522;1393488180;jurov;and he wonders why devs hate him 534523;1393488192;jurov;spouts infeasible idea on them 534524;1393488204;jurov;and then goes away like "okay imma fuck" 534525;1393488247;mircea_popescu;B007 who'll write it ? 534526;1393488283;mircea_popescu;jurov no in this case it's competent self management. i was inches from going "oh go get laid, you're nuts" at him. 534527;1393488489;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00599998 = 0.6 BTC [+] {2} 534528;1393488535;B007;mircea_popescu: im not here any more, i left long ago 534529;1393488543;mircea_popescu;lolk 534530;1393488546;mircea_popescu;so where are you ? 534531;1393488553;B007;idk 534532;1393488577;B007;my sister likes writing novels 534533;1393488592;B007;sci fi 534534;1393488593;mircea_popescu;well if she ever writes it have her drop a link here. 534535;1393488598;B007;lol k 534536;1393488707;B007;in your twitter pic...WHAT IN THE BAG? 534537;1393488714;mircea_popescu;chocolate, clothes... 534538;1393488735;mircea_popescu;we were either coming from or going to the beach 534539;1393488738;davout;;;later tell benkay https://www.dropbox.com/s/bbbwomroz8l51p0/Cellissimo.zip 534540;1393488739;gribble;The operation succeeded. 534541;1393488828;mircea_popescu;what are these gypsy muzaks 534542;1393488855;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.1063 = 0.5315 BTC [+] 534543;1393488865;davout;nah, some cello assortment 534544;1393488892;davout;i start hooking them on the soft stuff before moving on the hardcore, expensive stuff 534545;1393488901;mircea_popescu;this sounds familiar. 534546;1393488916;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00084766 = 21.7849 BTC [+] 534547;1393488930;B007;you made the SEC hang out on irc - lol 534548;1393488944;B007;I have to look at the logs.. 534549;1393488977;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10679999 BTC [+] 534550;1393489124;mircea_popescu;everyone has to look at the logs all the time 534551;1393489132;mircea_popescu;it's the only tenet of the assets faith 534552;1393489259;davout;should get printed out and sold like a bitcoin almanach 534553;1393489286;B007;only 365 revisions per year! 534554;1393489320;davout;i'm sure if you print out the previous year for use in N+1 it'd still be useful to some! 534555;1393489344;mircea_popescu;nubsy was doing something like that. 534556;1393489359;mircea_popescu;of course he's special so he can't really block print, he has to draw. 534557;1393489364;davout;fitting it on thshirts :D 534558;1393489374;mircea_popescu;;;later tell nubbins` ^ 534559;1393489375;gribble;The operation succeeded. 534560;1393489642;jurov;that would be a tech feat, fitting so much data there 534561;1393489648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20539 @ 0.00084798 = 17.4167 BTC [+] {2} 534562;1393489665;jurov;but i have an idea, put bash quotes on tshirt as qr codes 534563;1393489675;jurov;nubbins, imma get 10% of that 534564;1393489726;mircea_popescu;o look decimation had it before me :D sorry, hadn't read the entire log. 534565;1393489796;mircea_popescu;the20year1: is it provable/possible that gox has 740k bitcoins 'somewhere'? < that figure includes all their numerous historical losses going back 4 years, converted to bitcoin at the time of loss 534566;1393489806;mircea_popescu;this method vastly overstates it. 534567;1393490014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00084851 = 3.0546 BTC [+] 534568;1393490055;davout;i'd be really curious to see some verified numbers 534569;1393490063;jurov;using that method they could have easily lost more than total btc in circulation 534570;1393490079;jurov;at least something to be remembered for 534571;1393490084;mircea_popescu;davout it never was audited. 534572;1393490087;mircea_popescu;that part is true. 534573;1393490112;InfiniteRadio_;Shirts are great...i put "Justin Bieber stole my girlfriend" on 25 shirts and sold em all for $20 on my campus...although my "I don't care about pizza...i only care about parties" didn't do so hot....broke even though with the biebs 534574;1393490113;mircea_popescu;jurov they lost about 200k in one go o nthat 1 cent/btc debacle in 2011 if you recall 534575;1393490119;mircea_popescu;they lost like 50k buying some bs polish exchange 534576;1393490136;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06167978 = 0.1234 BTC [+] {2} 534577;1393490137;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1023 = 0.2046 BTC [-] {2} 534578;1393490138;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2} 534579;1393490140;mircea_popescu;about 600k of those claimed 750k happened by 2012. 534580;1393490150;davout;yeah, probably not, would still be curious about the results of some sort of forensic financial audit 534581;1393490161;mircea_popescu;InfiniteRadio_ what campus is that / 534582;1393490181;jurov;everything is possible with enough fractional "reserve" 534583;1393490185;davout;the polish exchange was 17k iirc 534584;1393490195;InfiniteRadio_;This was @ OCC back in 11 534585;1393490197;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.06167978 = 0.3084 BTC [+] {2} 534586;1393490198;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.10200002 = 0.51 BTC [-] {2} 534587;1393490199;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-] {2} 534588;1393490215;mircea_popescu;davout at the time they were throwing money around 534589;1393490222;davout;pretty much 534590;1393490227;mircea_popescu;i just lumped together all the "pr moves" around their first capital injection 534591;1393490241;mircea_popescu;you know, like neobee's geting in all cypruss newspapers (for an undisclosed cost) 534592;1393490259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18022 @ 0.00084603 = 15.2472 BTC [-] 534593;1393490393;davout;i'm also kinda wondering whether it'll be a 100% haircut on BTC for everyone, or some lower number 534594;1393490420;mircea_popescu;"everyone" ? 534595;1393490543;jurov;he prolly means all gox users 534596;1393490558;davout;yup 534597;1393490567;davout;my account there is empty since 2011 534598;1393490652;mircea_popescu;everyone takes a 100% loss. 534599;1393490662;mircea_popescu;mtgox can't even cover the btc it owes the bitcoinica liquidators. 534600;1393490684;mircea_popescu;the only thing is the bitcoin trademark, which was IDIOTICALLY assigned to mtgox by people without a clue 534601;1393490685;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.4965989 = 9.932 BTC [+] {5} 534602;1393490691;davout;that, i believe, is one of the most plausible scenarii 534603;1393490698;mircea_popescu;and now is up for grabs by whatever ill intended agency. 534604;1393490703;davout;oh yeah, i forgot about the trademark 534605;1393490719;mircea_popescu;which is why strategically competent people called themselves MPEx rather than BTCex 534606;1393490737;mircea_popescu;but hey, what's the rush to figuring things out. 534607;1393490749;jurov;u sure no one has trademarked "mircea popescu" ? 534608;1393490785;jurov;or "mpex" 534609;1393490790;mircea_popescu;you can't hold a trademark on people's legal names against their use thereof. 534610;1393490807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27002 @ 0.00084863 = 22.9147 BTC [+] {3} 534611;1393490818;davout;i'm not sure the bitcoin trademark is worth that much 534612;1393490831;davout;i'm pretty sure the "goxxed" term is worth more xD 534613;1393490849;davout;imagine all the goxxed goodies you could make 534614;1393490856;mircea_popescu;lol 534615;1393490856;davout;thinkgeek would be all over it 534616;1393490860;jurov;http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4810:ry2ygn.1.1 go there, search for mpex 534617;1393490867;jurov;there's something 534618;1393490888;davout;"introducing the goxxed dildo, can get in, but with its spikes, IT CAN'T GET OU!!1" 534619;1393490911;jurov;coinbr gets no results \o/ 534620;1393490965;jurov;"For example, the search term *DOG* ..." lmaooooo 534621;1393491023;mircea_popescu;jurov thee's a lot of stuff. Pharmaceutical preparations for the treatment of pulmonary, inflammatory and infectious diseases ; Management and organization of multi-purpose exhibit showrooms for others ; Electric and electronic video surveillance installations. 534622;1393491051;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 27 @ 0.00541111 = 0.1461 BTC [-] {3} 534623;1393491064;davout;i don't know how it works in other countries, but in france when you trademark sthg, you must also specify the scope in terms of activity the trademark is to be used in 534624;1393491084;jurov;yes, it's there, too 534625;1393491115;jurov;however, it remains to consideration whether retardation is "pulmonary, inflammatory and infectious disease" 534626;1393491156;mircea_popescu;davout thjat's how it works everywhere, trade harmonisation etc. 534627;1393491159;mircea_popescu;for instance 534628;1393491170;davout;good to know! 534629;1393491182;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/trilema/ 534630;1393491295;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599998 = 0.3 BTC [+] 534631;1393491354;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/432923293687885824 aaahhh 534632;1393491355;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Btw fatso @MagicalTux : recall ... 534633;1393491356;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 163 @ 0.00599998 = 0.978 BTC [+] 534634;1393491384;jurov;so, you have yor bases covered... but if you started developing retardation treatment drops, i'd be concerned a bit :D 534635;1393491417;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00599998 = 0.198 BTC [+] 534636;1393491433;mircea_popescu;jurov i guess i'd just use a diff name 534637;1393491440;mircea_popescu;mebbe i call them... Burnside 534638;1393491478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19553 @ 0.00085114 = 16.6423 BTC [+] 534639;1393491579;dexX7_;mircea_popescu: did you receive any offering for gox? 534640;1393491593;mircea_popescu;dexX7_ hm ? 534641;1393491676;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2014#523392 < i suspect that is the link you're looking for. 534642;1393491678;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 534643;1393491682;dexX7_;there are those rumors that multiple investors were contacted to bailout/buy gox etc. 534644;1393491783;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19348 @ 0.00084967 = 16.4394 BTC [-] 534645;1393492233;mark0v;whats the latest conspiracy theory on GOX coins?? 534646;1393492271;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 534647;1393492272;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00599998 = 0.21 BTC [+] 534648;1393492393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00084915 = 12.7373 BTC [-] 534649;1393492396;mircea_popescu;yes, they were/ 534650;1393492446;jurov;mark0v: just check the twobitidiots blog 534651;1393492458;mark0v;doesnt really say where the coins are 534652;1393492467;mark0v;i.e. lost cold storage, stolen, etc 534653;1393492473;mark0v;no news on where the actual coins are yet... 534654;1393492491;mark0v;blockchain is publically auditable, we need the withdrawl logs 534655;1393492515;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 534656;1393492637;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.4999 = 4.999 BTC [+] 534657;1393492698;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-] 534658;1393492756;mircea_popescu;mark0v http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2014#534574 534659;1393492759;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-] 534660;1393492768;mircea_popescu;you know, i ended up repeating this pretty much twice a day because nobody reads logs. 534661;1393492771;mircea_popescu;it's a good idea to read the logs. 534662;1393492992;mark0v;mircea_popescu: so, they were speculating with depositors coins and making acquisisions with them? 534663;1393493003;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] 534664;1393493016;mark0v;at $10/coin... which was stupid because as the price rises, they'd never be able to buy back coins to pay investors back 534665;1393493125;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [+] 534666;1393493133;dexX7_;the crisis paper also states a miss of 55 mio usd 534667;1393493186;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00599 = 0.2276 BTC [-] 534668;1393493222;mark0v;seems like there was a hack early on, and everything since then has been an attempt to make back coins by speculating 534669;1393493229;cazalla;i can't help but hope the coins are gone for the benefit of myself 534670;1393493247;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [+] 534671;1393493250;mark0v;lost cold wallet would be best (rather then some theives having it) 534672;1393493256;cazalla;yup 534673;1393493297;cazalla;i don't own enough so the removal of 750k would at least push me up a notch albeit a small nudge 534674;1393493402;jurov;http://jesse.forthewin.com/blog/2014/02/unilateral-statement-regarding-fucked-up-shit-and-the-greater-good.html?cpm=329 534675;1393493403;ozbot;Unilateral Statement Regarding Mt. Gox from an Insider - Jesse Powell's Blog 534676;1393493413;jurov;there's also this from krakens ceo 534677;1393493415;dexX7_;is there any publickey to pubkeyhash converter online? 534678;1393493417;jurov;if you insist 534679;1393493491;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 534680;1393493515;cazalla;jurov: he needs to replace that i know that feel image with http://i.imgur.com/Zt2EIOa.jpg 534681;1393493735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21720 @ 0.00085125 = 18.4892 BTC [+] {3} 534682;1393494110;markov;latest rumor is that Karpeles lost the key to the wallet 534683;1393494177;mircea_popescu;markov for a long, long time. 534684;1393494211;mircea_popescu;dexX7_ part of it was lost to the usg, as a result of karpeles signing false documents 534685;1393494222;mircea_popescu;(this goes right backl to the earlier discussion re "lawyers") 534686;1393494224;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [+] 534687;1393494243;mircea_popescu;part of it was lost to an unclear event which may be some sort of dwolla backstab or else some deal or who the fuck knows 534688;1393494251;markov;mircea_popescu: how could he be so stupid to lose the keys???! 534689;1393494254;mircea_popescu;part of it is just expenses, like rubber balls. 534690;1393494268;mircea_popescu;markov i wouldn't put much stock in anything mtgox/karpeles say or said. 534691;1393494272;markov;like seriously what the fuck is wrong with this idiot?? 534692;1393494276;mircea_popescu;they've been pretty much lieing at every turn since 2011. 534693;1393494285;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00599 = 0.5092 BTC [+] 534694;1393494286;dexX7_;ah right 534695;1393494352;mircea_popescu;dexX7_ because their accounting was a complete mess, and because they never followed the an0 spec, things that'd be normally deductions have no scriptural basis. 534696;1393494356;dexX7_;"5.5 mio held by dhs, 5 mio held by coinlab" 534697;1393494392;mircea_popescu;afaik coinlab is really in the red. 534698;1393494404;mircea_popescu;ie, mtgox stole more from coinlab than coinlab stole from mtgox. 534699;1393494406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19232 @ 0.00085312 = 16.4072 BTC [+] 534700;1393494411;dexX7_;lol 534701;1393494477;markov;whats an0 spec? 534702;1393494485;markov;why is bitcoinbuilder > 0 ?? 534703;1393494502;markov;current rate is 20:1 534704;1393494516;dexX7_;"high risk, very high reward" 534705;1393494543;mircea_popescu;markov http://trilema.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/ 534706;1393494551;mircea_popescu;and bitcoinbuilder is you know, some website 534707;1393494558;markov;it should probably be goxASSETS/goxLIABILITIES which is what account holders will receive during the bankruptcy 534708;1393494561;mircea_popescu;anyone can write any numbers they wish on their website 534709;1393494574;goxxed;I bought >600 goxbtc during the last hours. I'm convinced it will be one of the best investments of 2014 534710;1393494587;mircea_popescu;goxxed what did you pay for it ? 534711;1393494598;goxxed;avg 0.08 534712;1393494606;markov;mircea_popescu: the same could be about MPex though... 'just some website' 534713;1393494610;davout;still quite expensive imo 534714;1393494621;mircea_popescu;markov yup. and the nyse and the wh.org and everything else. 534715;1393494627;mircea_popescu;thats why we have the wot and on it goes. 534716;1393494628;markov;bitcoinbuilder is run by founder of dreamhost -- he has a positive reputation -- if that means anything 534717;1393494636;mircea_popescu;discerning the grain from the chaff is a full time professional endeavour 534718;1393494660;dexX7_;goxxed: do you expect some kind of miracle where thousands of coins appear out of nowhere? 534719;1393494660;mircea_popescu;i'm with davout, i wouldn't pay 50 btc for that. 534720;1393494673;markov;goxxed: say goodbye to your 50 BTC. you cant be serious! 534721;1393494676;mircea_popescu;pay 1 btc or less on a lark, i can see. like you'd buy a lottery ticket 534722;1393494687;davout;four days ago i'd mebbe have paid 20~30 BTC 534723;1393494687;goxxed;interview with bitcoinbuilder founder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0Wg6Adi3z0 534724;1393494688;markov;goxxed must be trolling 534725;1393494691;dexX7_;much more fun than lottery 534726;1393494698;davout;now. a couple at most 534727;1393494715;markov;bitcoinbuilder founder interestingly converted all his btc he made from fees into goxcoins 534728;1393494752;mircea_popescu;dexX7_ you know, p e singer made a few millions that way 534729;1393494752;markov;"I had no inside knowledge of the situation at mtgox and am truly shocked at the current state of their affairs. I personally have over 8,000 GOXBTC and $400,000 USD locked in their system, and am still converting all "real" BTC trading fees from the site to GOXBTC, and I will never sell any personal GOXBTC via this site. " 534730;1393494762;mircea_popescu;course, sovereign debt is quite a differen story. 534731;1393494798;mircea_popescu;markov i guess that proves the alleged founder of dreamhost is an idiot ? 534732;1393494814;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, "Greek police, under the orders of the Ministry of Public Order & Citizen Protection, have begun to enter schools in order to establish the political views and activities of schoolchildren and their families" 534733;1393494833;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599 = 0.1198 BTC [+] 534734;1393494844;markov;mircea_popescu: link? 534735;1393494850;dexX7_;faq 534736;1393494856;dexX7_;afaik 534737;1393494857;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/02/25/scho-f25.html you'll love the names. 534738;1393494894;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 850 @ 0.0055 = 4.675 BTC 534739;1393494937;markov;mircea_popescu: i despise communism. that website is clearly reporting FUD 534740;1393494952;mircea_popescu;markov clearly. 534741;1393494955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3309 @ 0.00085312 = 2.823 BTC [+] 534742;1393494990;markov;its quite a shame that i have nearly 300 goxBTC 534743;1393495016;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00599 = 0.7188 BTC [+] 534744;1393495026;markov;i guess ill just gamble on just-dice to make them back 534745;1393495043;mircea_popescu;> . < 534746;1393495053;dexX7_;sounds like a solid plan 534747;1393495102;mircea_popescu;solid like pixiedust. 534748;1393495107;jurov;markov i'd rather recommend coinroll 534749;1393495131;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bhd4HUhCMAAxKQy.jpg:large 534750;1393495134;markov;i trust dooglus 534751;1393495138;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 436 @ 0.005989 = 2.6112 BTC [-] 534752;1393495139;mircea_popescu;teh ukraine is going well. 534753;1393495166;markov;is that where you're from mp? 534754;1393495179;mircea_popescu;nope. 534755;1393495187;jurov;no we're just living near borders 534756;1393495199;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2920 @ 0.00599 = 17.4908 BTC [+] {3} 534757;1393495221;jurov;in worst case, we can expect millions of refugees 534758;1393495245;markov;bulgaria? 534759;1393495262;mircea_popescu;markov timisoara, romania 534760;1393495272;jurov;and i'm in slovakia 534761;1393495300;markov;l33t. you guys must be one of the few intelligent people left in the eastern european countries 534762;1393495302;mircea_popescu;jurov amusingly, romania had a published (but not public) policy of allowing open immigration for israelis should they need it 534763;1393495311;mircea_popescu;i don't think anyone seriously considered the ukrainians moving en masse 534764;1393495319;mircea_popescu;least of all the ukrainians themselves 534765;1393495349;jurov;dunno, they're making some preparations here 534766;1393495381;jurov;maybe someone really thinks putin will pull it 534767;1393495382;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 401 @ 0.0055 = 2.2055 BTC 534768;1393495407;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhclSE7IQAADU3K.jpg:large 534769;1393495408;mircea_popescu;oops 534770;1393495419;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/SergeiShoigu/status/438975883597348864 < if anyone cares. 534771;1393495419;ozbot;Twitter / SergeiShoigu: Welcome to my official Twitter ... 534772;1393495477;markov;robert scoble in toronto>? 534773;1393495566;jurov;markov: quite many intelligent people returned from the west, living here is okay for them 534774;1393495592;markov;eastern europe also has a reputation for cc hacking/fraud 534775;1393495615;jurov;how that relates? 534776;1393495640;mircea_popescu;markov this is how "HC SVNT DRACONES" is noted in modern english 534777;1393495645;jurov;at least our banks have solid e-services 534778;1393495664;markov;here be dragons? 534779;1393495667;mircea_popescu;yeah. 534780;1393495687;mircea_popescu;"people smarter than us who aren't impressed with our conventions" => evil! 534781;1393495688;markov;jurov: good point, they're probably employed the best exploit guys ;) 534782;1393495748;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 166 @ 0.00599 = 0.9943 BTC [+] 534783;1393496236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37250 @ 0.00085292 = 31.7713 BTC [-] {2} 534784;1393496337;mircea_popescu;http://82.99.29.187:443/file/wzbdxg?type=shared-window&item=png 534785;1393496348;mircea_popescu;meanwhile teh yuan is moving 534786;1393496629;markov;so you guys think karpeles lost keys rather then a hack? 534787;1393496656;mircea_popescu;ahahaha mike hearn harping about how teh Powerfully Retarded Rangers are nao poor and will disband 534788;1393496667;mircea_popescu;good fucking riddance, bunch of clueless impudent goofs. 534789;1393496692;jurov;markov that does not matter 534790;1393496796;jurov;i'm certain karpeles did ask them to help, too 534791;1393496816;mircea_popescu;sure. 534792;1393496827;mircea_popescu;and jesse powell fucktard is like, o, here's my friend jared kenna please help us. 534793;1393496845;mircea_popescu;basically there's this core of idiots and scammers and the idiots just won't let the scammers loose. 534794;1393496848;mircea_popescu;it's beyond the fucking pale. 534795;1393496968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37472 @ 0.00085488 = 32.0341 BTC [+] {3} 534796;1393497083;twizt;man i just went on youtube 534797;1393497087;twizt;and saw a scientology ad 534798;1393497094;ArsKisS;poor you 534799;1393497095;twizt;i wonder how much it would cost to promote satanism 534800;1393497198;mircea_popescu;some guy was bitching that 30mn youtube views only made him like 20k usd 534801;1393497213;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.509 BTC [+] 534802;1393497223;mircea_popescu;so i would guess about 10-15 satoshi per view ? 534803;1393497273;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00595002 = 0.1309 BTC [-] 534804;1393497274;twizt;lol 534805;1393497280;twizt;where do they draw the line 534806;1393497281;BingoBoingo;Wait, Roger Ver still has some affiliation with Blockchain.info after his $50 blowup? http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/post/77960201159/roger-ver-denies-any-inappropriate-involvement-with-mt 534807;1393497437;mircea_popescu;since assbot only logs since apr 2013, in case anyone's curious re older logs : 534808;1393497437;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/1665537/ 534809;1393497438;ozbot;dpaste: #1665537 534810;1393497447;mircea_popescu;feb 2013/aug 2012 534811;1393497472;chetty;"inappropriate" now thats a weaselword 534812;1393497480;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo roger ver is one of those guys that love to talk to people and then talk to people about how many people he talks to 534813;1393497503;mircea_popescu;and then go nuts on the forum about how he sent some guy his last fifty bucks and can't afford food for the week now. 534814;1393497564;mircea_popescu;anyway, lettuce have some fun. 534815;1393497610;BingoBoingo;Oh, post-Gox Bitcoin is more interesting already 534816;1393497639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45950 @ 0.00085569 = 39.319 BTC [+] {3} 534817;1393497822;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50979439 = 1.0196 BTC [+] {2} 534818;1393497944;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00598999 = 0.1318 BTC [+] 534819;1393497968;markov;mircea_popescu: apparely roger ver has 250,000 btc 534820;1393497976;mircea_popescu;yaya. 534821;1393497985;mircea_popescu;apparently mtgox was the cat's tits, 534822;1393497989;mircea_popescu;untill suddenly it wasn't anymore 534823;1393497996;mircea_popescu;and we're supposed to be all surprised and whatnot. 534824;1393498101;mircea_popescu;lmao gmaxwell is still using kat walsh's mask ? ah epic. 534825;1393498166;markov;.. 534826;1393498194;markov;whos kat walsh? 534827;1393498256;mircea_popescu;a bassoonist with a jd in law that was the best the wikimedia foundation could do for counsel this past decade 534828;1393498261;mircea_popescu;lucky for them, they never got sued. 534829;1393498310;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00599 = 0.599 BTC [+] 534830;1393498432;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00599 = 0.2097 BTC [+] 534831;1393498554;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 19 @ 0.00599 = 0.1138 BTC [+] 534832;1393498667;ArsKisS;neobee pretty hot 534833;1393498677;ArsKisS;now you can remove the walls, folks 534834;1393498798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00085043 = 20.0276 BTC [-] {2} 534835;1393499164;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.16230094 = 1.9476 BTC [-] 534836;1393499397;bitcoinpete;howdy from bruxelles! 534837;1393499408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.0008533 = 2.3892 BTC [+] 534838;1393499408;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 275 @ 0.00599 = 1.6473 BTC [+] 534839;1393499530;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00599998 = 0.15 BTC [+] 534840;1393499592;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00599998 = 0.204 BTC [+] 534841;1393499652;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599998 = 0.12 BTC [+] 534842;1393499712;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/the-wallet-inspectors-promise/ 534843;1393499713;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.11437691 = 2.9738 BTC [-] {7} 534844;1393499714;ozbot;The Wallet Inspector’s Promise | When Bitcoin Met Pete 534845;1393499772;bitcoinpete;I'm just going to leave this here. It's about trust, greed, idealism, and Snake. 534846;1393499774;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.10600342 = 2.5441 BTC [-] {5} 534847;1393500384;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50979999 BTC [+] 534848;1393500445;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5098 BTC [+] 534849;1393500506;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02299964 = 0.184 BTC [-] {2} 534850;1393500567;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 23 @ 0.023 = 0.529 BTC [+] 534851;1393500571;the20year1;http://jesse.forthewin.com/blog/2014/02/unilateral-statement-regarding-fucked-up-shit-and-the-greater-good.html?cpm=329 534852;1393500572;ozbot;Unilateral Statement Regarding Mt. Gox from an Insider - Jesse Powell's Blog 534853;1393500750;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.502001 = 1.004 BTC [-] {2} 534854;1393500837;jurov;the20year1: i usually search in logs before posting 534855;1393500845;jurov;it's there 534856;1393500859;mircea_popescu;the20year1 i left the guy a comment, he's not published it. 534857;1393501177;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50979 BTC [+] 534858;1393501299;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018499 = 0.185 BTC [-] 534859;1393501435;mircea_popescu;!t h cbtc 534860;1393501436;assbot;[HAVELOCK:CBTC] 1D: 0.00017103 / 0.00018307 / 0.00018550 (9765 shares, 1.78766772 BTC), 7D: 0.00013001 / 0.000165 / 0.00021250 (284213 shares, 46.89600633 BTC), 30D: 0.00002001 / 0.00015242 / 0.00025999 (2435501 shares, 371.21588320 BTC) 534861;1393501909;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00485993 = 0.1458 BTC [+] {2} 534862;1393502092;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00485994 = 0.243 BTC [+] {2} 534863;1393502275;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.10600012 = 0.318 BTC [-] 534864;1393502276;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 534865;1393502336;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00599969 = 0.588 BTC [-] 534866;1393502547;ThickerThanThiev;just read thru this gox stuff 534867;1393502579;ThickerThanThiev;so basically gox gave all the exhcnage leaders head's up to sell 534868;1393502581;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 207 @ 0.00596 = 1.2337 BTC [-] {2} 534869;1393502584;ThickerThanThiev;aawful 534870;1393502641;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00595066 = 0.1785 BTC [-] {3} 534871;1393502702;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 354 @ 0.00598871 = 2.12 BTC [+] {6} 534872;1393502704;mircea_popescu;will be fun to watch the unwinding of it. 534873;1393502731;mircea_popescu;Once that happens, I am positive and certain that the same people who are now running around calling their betters names will try to turn things into some sort of mean state infringing on peoples rights. They have a fine record at trying exactly that.vi 534874;1393502731;mircea_popescu;The problem is, the lot of them being packed up and hauled to jail would be no such infringement. It is at this point perfectly reasonable and quite unavoidable. Sure, theyll try and sell this libertarian angle, thats the curse of being pro-freedom : all the scumbags try to exploit you for their little profit turning ideas. It wont wash. 534875;1393502736;mircea_popescu;stuff from 2012ish 534876;1393502744;dexX7_;i bet this 10k sell on bitstamp was related to this 534877;1393502763;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00591045 = 0.5024 BTC [-] {3} 534878;1393502822;thickasthieves;my thoughts pretty much too 534879;1393502824;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 226 @ 0.005901 = 1.3336 BTC [-] {3} 534880;1393502876;thickasthieves;the story of where this reached isn't done, and more than gox will go down for acting on it's insolvency 534881;1393502879;thickasthieves;its 534882;1393502885;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.0059 = 0.354 BTC [-] 534883;1393502886;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06167998 = 0.185 BTC [+] 534884;1393502888;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.023 = 0.276 BTC [+] {2} 534885;1393502920;MisterE;Hmm, just about time to get back in 534886;1393502927;ThickAsThieves;also, like, even if you did make sure to sell all your coins first, how could you not leak this info to the public sooner? 534887;1393502933;MisterE;ride it back up to 600 534888;1393502946;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00476 = 0.2618 BTC [-] {2} 534889;1393502960;ThickAsThieves;secondmarket may be the most exposed 534890;1393502969;ThickAsThieves;as it seems they were approached 534891;1393503007;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 180 @ 0.0059 = 1.062 BTC [-] 534892;1393503008;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10150001 BTC [-] 534893;1393503046;MisterE;whats ths? 534894;1393503055;MisterE;sounds scandalous 534895;1393503065;dexX7_;were they obligated to leak such info? isn't this stuff kinda confidential? 534896;1393503083;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 534897;1393503088;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 579.98, vol: 26161.04056450 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 552.2, vol: 22395.6107 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 579.0, vol: 19715.43458074 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 593.51, vol: 236.24374416 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 571.6896, vol: 8316.85200000 | Volume-weighted last average: 570.774361582 534898;1393503129;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.06167978 = 0.5551 BTC [-] 534899;1393503131;ThickAsThieves;i dont know the legality 534900;1393503147;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you forget the info was motherfucking leaked in public lmao 534901;1393503154;ThickAsThieves;no 534902;1393503159;mircea_popescu;what do i do here, play ? 534903;1393503166;ThickAsThieves;i mean how gox approached people for a bailout 534904;1393503172;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing as "disregard what mp says expect to be able to survive" 534905;1393503197;ThickAsThieves;i'm talking about off-gox markets 534906;1393503200;mircea_popescu;you mean how come the various contemptible schmucks - like jesse powell, like roger ver, like etc did not go 534907;1393503204;mircea_popescu;"hey, mtgox is fucked" ? 534908;1393503215;mircea_popescu;that's because they're scum, and that's what scum knows and does. 534909;1393503215;ThickAsThieves;like Bitstamp selling 25k btc after Mark walks out the room or such 534910;1393503241;mircea_popescu;that's how children react, your average raped 9yo girl is more likely to not tell. 534911;1393503264;ThickAsThieves;this also has added greed element 534912;1393503270;mircea_popescu;recall when the bitfinex was broken in half last time ? 534913;1393503270;ThickAsThieves;insider trading at its finest 534914;1393503278;mircea_popescu;insider spilled the dirt, all over forum ? 534915;1393503287;ThickAsThieves;right 534916;1393503289;mircea_popescu;people were liek "o no, let's ignore whistleblower, maybe everything will be ok" 534917;1393503304;mircea_popescu;the exact same scumbags are already inflating a replacement mtgox. 534918;1393503312;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.1047 = 0.8376 BTC [+] {5} 534919;1393503313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00086155 = 40.4929 BTC [+] {3} 534920;1393503313;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00476 = 0.1095 BTC [-] {2} 534921;1393503365;Apocalyptic;what's funnier is some people are so in denial up to the point they're even doubting mtgox is missing coins, at this very moment 534922;1393503373;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.106155 = 1.2739 BTC [+] {3} 534923;1393503434;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06167978 = 0.1234 BTC [-] 534924;1393503440;MisterE;how far up your ass does your head have to be to think that 534925;1393503472;Apocalyptic;"but it's speculation, at this point we can't be sure" i don't even... 534926;1393503476;mircea_popescu;derp. 534927;1393503487;mircea_popescu;welcome to 2012. that was the meme of the year. 534928;1393503557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19769 @ 0.00086481 = 17.0964 BTC [+] {2} 534929;1393503571;dexX7_;the stuff was not only leaked to investors/exchanges, but also to the press. or it was leaked to the press from one of them.. i'm not sure right now where i read it, but one article clearly referenced the expected return for 2014. 534930;1393503617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23931 @ 0.00086636 = 20.7329 BTC [+] 534931;1393503645;mircea_popescu;maybe find it. 534932;1393503666;Apocalyptic;" but one article clearly referenced the expected return for 2014." it's in the business plan 534933;1393503703;ThickAsThieves;the business plan had no juicy info really 534934;1393503726;ThickAsThieves;unless something was able to be gleaned from the financial page 534935;1393503728;wbaw;it seems to be mt.gox was trying to pitch that plan to investors who didn't want anything to do with it & leaked it 534936;1393503771;ThickAsThieves;or, the ones that were interested in the plan were the ones who then unearthed the dirtier truth 534937;1393503787;ThickAsThieves;obv you dont buy a mtgox without seeing the coins 534938;1393503798;wbaw;well, the plan looks pretty illegal to my uninformed opinion 534939;1393503802;mircea_popescu;wbaw http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2014#523392 534940;1393503806;dexX7_;wall street journal. no paywall: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ytb3o/japans_authorities_decline_to_step_in_on_bitcoin/cfnk8nz -- "According to documents seen by The Wall Street Journal, Tibanne Co., which operates Mt. Gox, is expected to generate a small profit in the fiscal year ending in March from exchange transaction fees." 534941;1393503813;ThickAsThieves;i'm referring to the business plan 534942;1393503817;ThickAsThieves;not the crisis one 534943;1393503822;Apocalyptic;<wbaw> it seems to be mt.gox was trying to pitch that plan to investors who didn't want anything to do with it & leaked it // sounds reasonable 534944;1393503824;dexX7_;this was before the crisis paper went public 534945;1393503847;mircea_popescu;dexX7_ they were still pr-izing at the time, hoping beyond hope they'll find a sucker somewhere. 534946;1393503857;dexX7_;yea 534947;1393503861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 459 @ 0.00054 = 0.2479 BTC [-] 534948;1393503862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.0008665 = 5.7622 BTC [+] {2} 534949;1393503922;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 244 @ 0.00050209 = 0.1225 BTC [-] {3} 534950;1393503927;ThickAsThieves;look china wants to mimic bitcoin http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/27/what-happens-if-china-widens-the-yuans-trading-band/ 534951;1393503941;ThickAsThieves;this volatily thing, we like! 534952;1393503980;ThickAsThieves;"In the past week, the People’s Bank of China has been trying to inject more two-way volatility into yuan trading by guiding the currency lower, an effort Chinese officials and analysts say is aimed at paving the way for widening the yuan’s trading band sometime this year." 534953;1393503983;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11733289 BTC [+] 534954;1393503989;ThickAsThieves;http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/27/more-flexible-yuan-is-low-hanging-fruit-of-financial-reforms/ 534955;1393504203;mircea_popescu;too expensive for them to maintain narrow band anyway 534956;1393504329;MisterE;man that log archive is handy! 534957;1393504347;MisterE;fuckload of good info 534958;1393504403;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1665861/plain/) 534959;1393504403;mircea_popescu;!b 2 534960;1393504410;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.10150001 = 0.5075 BTC [-] 534961;1393504413;ThickAsThieves;this BitcoinPete guy, he new? or is he someone we know with a new name? 534962;1393504437;MisterE;he came yesterday 534963;1393504467;dexX7_;and the log is against the freenode channel guidelines! 534964;1393504473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.0008635 = 0.6908 BTC [-] 534965;1393504473;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06176249 = 0.247 BTC [+] {2} 534966;1393504492;dexX7_;no logging without warning in the channel topic :p 534967;1393504497;MisterE;omg get the #freenode police heh 534968;1393504503;ThickAsThieves;isnt it linked in the topic? 534969;1393504509;MisterE;yea 534970;1393504511;ThickAsThieves;;;topic 534971;1393504511;gribble;http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading 534972;1393504515;ThickAsThieves;derp 534973;1393504532;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.062 = 0.744 BTC [+] {2} 534974;1393504593;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.0621 = 0.9936 BTC [+] 534975;1393504595;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves he's new-ish 534976;1393504627;mircea_popescu;dexX7_ you misunderstand the freenode policies. 534977;1393504636;mircea_popescu;the idea is that random joe schmoe can't log a chan he doesn't own 534978;1393504645;mircea_popescu;not that the chan itself can't be logged. 534979;1393504657;dexX7_;ah 534980;1393504658;MisterE;fyi I loge everything 534981;1393504668;Duffer1;goodmorning B-A 534982;1393504669;mircea_popescu;many channels are logged as a matter of course, including #bitcoin-dev 534983;1393504681;dexX7_;i know 534984;1393504685;mircea_popescu;most literate people have a lot of trouble with the illiterate approach promoted by twitter and cellphone companies. 534985;1393504697;dexX7_;i'm fine with anyway 534986;1393504703;mircea_popescu;you generally want to be able to reference what was said afore 534987;1393504703;MisterE;I fucking hate text mesaging 534988;1393504711;mircea_popescu;MisterE tell me about it 534989;1393504715;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1065 BTC [+] 534990;1393504724;ThickAsThieves;oh earlier you made a statement about Hearn & Co being destitute, got link? 534991;1393504726;dexX7_;hi duffer 534992;1393504776;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599967 = 0.12 BTC [+] 534993;1393504777;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-] 534994;1393504795;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yrxp0/bitcoin_core_development_falling_behind_warns/ iof you must 534995;1393504837;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.00599967 = 0.162 BTC [+] 534996;1393504839;ThickAsThieves;"Say what you like about Google, but it isn’t an easy place to get hired at. The entrance interviews are notoriously tough, and it is a highly desired employer – which makes Mike Hearn’s departure all the more notable." 534997;1393504841;ThickAsThieves;lulz 534998;1393504854;mircea_popescu;derp. 534999;1393504865;Apocalyptic;derp 535000;1393504893;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's hysterical. "o guise, we backed the scammers, tho mp told us not to. and we were impertinent to mp" 535001;1393504899;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00599967 = 0.84 BTC [+] 535002;1393504900;ThickAsThieves;there was a time i really wanted to work there, I poured over job listings for a few weeks and never saw one thing I wanted to do 535003;1393504911;mircea_popescu;"now the scammers are fucked and mp doesn't want to talk to us. what shall we do!11 bitcoin is dieing!!11" 535004;1393504916;mircea_popescu;how about you know, sucking an onion. 535005;1393504920;ThickAsThieves;pored 535006;1393504959;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5020002 BTC [-] 535007;1393505008;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/scirper 535008;1393505009;ozbot;Aer Turris (scirper) on Twitter 535009;1393505018;mircea_popescu;how many people get special made twitter accts to derp at them ? 535010;1393505105;usaoscoin;turns out twobitidiot is a crypto insurance seller 535011;1393505106;usaoscoin;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z2s8k/who_is_2_bit_idiot_why_does_he_get_these/cfpzqaf 535012;1393505121;mircea_popescu;usaoscoin he's ver's minion afaik. 535013;1393505138;ThickAsThieves;"Auroracoin is now featured on http://coinmarketcap.com/ It is in 7th place overall, or 5th place if non-mineale coins are excluded." 535014;1393505140;usaoscoin;minion, lol 535015;1393505147;ThickAsThieves;how is it that bs can get listed but not ATC... 535016;1393505168;ThickAsThieves;i'm no good at this greasing palms thing 535017;1393505169;mircea_popescu;well what do you call it ? 535018;1393505184;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves eh who cares srsly. what's coinmarketcap ? 535019;1393505220;ThickAsThieves;well i at least care in that it's representing scams as things with actual value over things that aren't 535020;1393505227;ThickAsThieves;look at this shit http://coinmarketcap.com/ 535021;1393505237;ThickAsThieves;Aururacoin at $45m 535022;1393505237;dexX7_;with about 2 mio page views per day x_x 535023;1393505249;ThickAsThieves;it's a pre-mined handout coin 535024;1393505252;Apocalyptic;lots of kids playing with alts yes 535025;1393505265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.0008635 = 2.5042 BTC [-] 535026;1393505271;Duffer1;i'm curious how they're going to hand it out 535027;1393505285;Duffer1;mail printed priv keys to everyone in iceland? 535028;1393505307;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you're never going to be able to limit all derpage. 535029;1393505315;mircea_popescu;kids need their rumspringa room. 535030;1393505351;dexX7_;Duffer1: as far as i know there is some kind of "claim portal" website 535031;1393505366;ThickAsThieves;Duffer1 there is a public list of all Icelanders I believe 535032;1393505387;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00599961 = 0.48 BTC [-] 535033;1393505497;ThickAsThieves;maybe this will be the things that teaches them it was a bad idea too 535034;1393505509;mircea_popescu;yaright. 535035;1393505630;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.16230094 = 0.9738 BTC [-] 535036;1393505691;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00599961 = 1.1999 BTC [-] 535037;1393505741;dexX7_;http://www.businessinsider.com/senator-calls-for-bitcoin-ban-2014-2 ... there was one surprising part: "I have already written to regulators once on the now-closed Silkroad ... That is why more than a handful of countries, and their banking systems, have cautioned against the use of Bitcoin." - if this is true, he seems to have some influence? 535038;1393505742;ozbot;SENATOR CALLS FOR BITCOIN BAN - Business Insider 535039;1393505775;kakobrekla;oh my 535040;1393505779;kakobrekla;http://charlieshrem.com/?p=24 535041;1393505780;ozbot;Charlie Shrem | Something’s Not Right On The Mountain of Gox 535042;1393505813;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 110 @ 0.00549999 = 0.605 BTC [+] {2} 535043;1393505874;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-] 535044;1393505935;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.0059996 = 0.12 BTC [-] 535045;1393505939;ThickAsThieves;dexX7_ yeah right 535046;1393506221;ThickAsThieves;"There was no evidence that hundreds of thousands of coins were missing when Roger Ver made the so-called “hostage” video six months ago." for reference: http://imgur.com/gHrMX1y 535047;1393506240;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3148 @ 0.00086715 = 2.7298 BTC [+] 535048;1393506255;ThickAsThieves;really the dude is in a constant state of nervousness, maybe he did know 535049;1393506315;ThickAsThieves;shrem is stupid 535050;1393506325;dexX7_;he wanted to buy a lot of goxcoins in the -otc thread 535051;1393506339;ThickAsThieves;coins can't be maybe-recoverable 535052;1393506345;ThickAsThieves;they are gone 535053;1393506347;ThickAsThieves;deal 535054;1393506371;kakobrekla;dexX7_ did he? urlpls? 535055;1393506381;dexX7_;hmm mom 535056;1393506452;mircea_popescu;yeah eyah he was saying so 535057;1393506463;mircea_popescu;the entire "buying gox debt" meme pretty much started from ver's blather. 535058;1393506468;dexX7_;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455243.msg5111950#msg5111950 535059;1393506470;ozbot;MTGOX <-> BTC BID/ASK 535060;1393506492;dexX7_;didn't see the update till now 535061;1393506529;dexX7_;but it's telling 535062;1393506552;azi`;you guys think there is any chance folks will get their stuff from gox? 535063;1393506557;mircea_popescu;no. 535064;1393506560;azi`;like some company buing gox and stuff 535065;1393506564;mircea_popescu;no. 535066;1393506570;kakobrekla;the below reply from reptil guy is golden 535067;1393506587;mircea_popescu;o hey reptil stil around ? 535068;1393506592;kakobrekla;yes 535069;1393506596;kakobrekla;alive a kickin 535070;1393506600;kakobrekla;and 535071;1393506605;azi`;which one is it 535072;1393506626;azi`;sherem? 535073;1393506629;mircea_popescu;anyway yeah, sturles and others who made statements about it will be key witnesses once this goes to court in a few months 535074;1393506632;pankkake;why would a company want to buy what is mostly bad reputation and debt? 535075;1393506669;dexX7_;azi`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455243.msg5114894#msg5114894 535076;1393506670;azi`;idk, some guys are known for making bad business descisions i suppose 535077;1393506673;kakobrekla;i dunno what statement sturles made, but reptil sez he was privileged, sturles says he lost 90% 535078;1393506689;mircea_popescu;because selective scamming is in fact sufficient to establish bad faith 535079;1393506703;mircea_popescu;and from the little i understand of the japanese legal system, amply sufficient to secure a conviction. 535080;1393506728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11241 @ 0.00086715 = 9.7476 BTC [+] 535081;1393506728;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00599958 = 0.198 BTC [-] 535082;1393506729;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 59 @ 0.0055 = 0.3245 BTC 535083;1393506731;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla "no problem getting funds from gox" 535084;1393506735;dexX7_;but there was already a statement like "japan does not care, because it's btc" 535085;1393506742;jurov;btc-e just croaked too? 535086;1393506747;mircea_popescu;pretty much anyone who said this or variations thereof the past few weeks is either going to be prosecuted or called up as a witness. 535087;1393506753;dexX7_;502 535088;1393506762;mircea_popescu;dexX7_ i wouldn't trust that sort of nonsense too much. 535089;1393506776;jurov;isee 535090;1393506804;Duffer1;what's the extent of Ver's involvement w/ blockchain.info? is it angel investor only or does he have a more active role? 535091;1393506825;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 he was able to get carry to disclose private information of a user upon request 535092;1393506841;mircea_popescu;theoretically he was banned from the system at that point, but whether this is actually true or not has not been verified. 535093;1393506850;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] 640 @ 0.000505 = 0.3232 BTC [-] {3} 535094;1393506856;Duffer1;interesting 535095;1393506889;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131608.0 535096;1393506891;ozbot;MemoryDealers.com founder Roger Ver abuses admin access at Blockchain.info 535097;1393506913;kakobrekla;that one was lulzy 535098;1393506917;mircea_popescu;so it was. 535099;1393507094;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00599958 = 0.342 BTC [-] 535100;1393507231;ThickAsThieves;BitcoinPete deleted my comment 535101;1393507239;ThickAsThieves;oh well 535102;1393507245;mircea_popescu;uh 535103;1393507265;mircea_popescu;usure it's not just some approval thingee ? 535104;1393507278;ThickAsThieves;i saw it loaded on the page 535105;1393507284;ThickAsThieves;but maybe only a local temp thing 535106;1393507304;pankkake;wordpress shows it after you post, even if it is waiting for approval 535107;1393507316;mircea_popescu;right, but if you clean a cookie or w/.e it disappears 535108;1393507323;pankkake;yes 535109;1393507328;ThickAsThieves;word 535110;1393507339;pankkake;" Mt. Gox CEO Mark Karpeles will be found dead by the March 20th" lol 535111;1393507346;mircea_popescu;da fuck is that 535112;1393507357;pankkake;rejected bitbet 535113;1393507364;mircea_popescu;scared me for a second 535114;1393507378;cazalla;assassination markets here we come 535115;1393507393;mircea_popescu;not quite yet. 535116;1393507400;pankkake;there's the tor one 535117;1393507418;pankkake;doesn't have him yet 535118;1393507422;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/ 535119;1393507424;ozbot;BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD 535120;1393507428;mircea_popescu;this doesn't look so great anymore does it. 535121;1393507449;pankkake;mtgox *or* bitstamp 535122;1393507465;ThickAsThieves;$10k was a bit high 535123;1393507466;mircea_popescu;no i am aware, but even so. 535124;1393507467;BingoBoingo;I dunno I think it looks better now 535125;1393507480;ThickAsThieves;maybe $3k 535126;1393507487;mircea_popescu;btw, epic prescience on part of the bitbet mod there huh. 535127;1393507535;dexX7_;30-11-13 20:40 - yes: 57 btc, no: 42 btc ... hehe 535128;1393507557;cazalla;wish i got in earlier on http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/ 535129;1393507573;dexX7_;kinda like "exchangers are faking volume!1" 535130;1393507649;ThickAsThieves;hmm the bitbet mod in the comments says any exchange with 1000btc vol will do if others are dead 535131;1393507660;ThickAsThieves;seems uncharacteristic of bitbet 535132;1393507765;ThickAsThieves;http://bitcoinmagazine.com/10574/warning-bm-subscribers-open-document-re-mt-gox-staff/ 535133;1393507767;ThickAsThieves;hehe 535134;1393507768;ozbot;WARNING to BM Subscribers: Do NOT Open Any Document Re: Mt.Gox from Our Staff – Bitcoin Magazine 535135;1393507802;mircea_popescu;lmao 535136;1393507930;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/439030163729575936 535137;1393507931;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Yes dears, we know. For a while ... 535138;1393508025;ThickAsThieves;forgive me for retweeting every other tweet :) 535139;1393508047;mircea_popescu;lol 535140;1393508060;ThickAsThieves;https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/438791244345774080 535141;1393508061;ozbot;Twitter / Bitcoin_Assets: @ethereumproject How about DERP? 535142;1393508062;mircea_popescu;that's ok, i'll just take it as reflective of my mordant wit and deep understanding of matters 535143;1393508070;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11 = 0.22 BTC [-] 535144;1393508072;mircea_popescu;ahaha 535145;1393508143;mircea_popescu;meanwhile behind the coca cola courtain, http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/02/kaley_v_united_states_terrible_supreme_court_decision_lets_the_government.html 535146;1393508192;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00599956 = 0.24 BTC [-] 535147;1393508193;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3575 @ 0.00018499 = 0.6613 BTC [-] 535148;1393508253;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00017284 = 1.7284 BTC [-] {9} 535149;1393508314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00086659 = 4.5063 BTC [-] {2} 535150;1393508343;mircea_popescu;"why keep all your assets in bitcoin ? because your usd denominated assets are worthless anyway." 535151;1393508351;ThickAsThieves;“the grand jury is the total captive of the prosecutor who, if he is candid, will concede that he can indict anybody, at any time, for almost anything.” 535152;1393508375;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC 535153;1393508418;ThickAsThieves;ethereum's slogan: the only limit is your imagination 535154;1393508421;ThickAsThieves;lol 535155;1393508432;ThickAsThieves;such limitations 535156;1393508443;diametric;much freedom 535157;1393508462;mircea_popescu;well in their case it is true 535158;1393508471;mircea_popescu;of course, this would be the lower bound limit. 535159;1393508482;mircea_popescu;the upper bound is about fiddy bux 535160;1393508526;ThickAsThieves;i wonder how their raise went 535161;1393508530;ThickAsThieves;i cant find it 535162;1393508557;dexX7_;didn't happen yet afaik 535163;1393508574;ThickAsThieves;they used to have a countdown on the homepage 535164;1393508641;mircea_popescu;hey, what happened of that transvestite's countdown ? 535165;1393508646;mircea_popescu;i vaguely recall something around xmas 535166;1393508650;mircea_popescu;was it xmas 2015 ? 535167;1393508658;dexX7_;yea, but it was removed 535168;1393508662;ThickAsThieves;Vitalik said: 535169;1393508662;ThickAsThieves;"We are seriously worried that if we offer a small cap then some large investor will simply gobble it up all at once, and then we'll basically have Ripple. Judging by the response we have gotten so far, we realized that it is entirely possible, even if unlikely, that some whale with 200000 BTC sitting around will decide that Ethereum just might be the right coin to throw 10% into, and 535170;1393508662;ThickAsThieves;we need to work around such a possibility. If no whales come onboard on such a scale, then we will have a small market cap to start off anyway." 535171;1393508669;ThickAsThieves;more delusions 535172;1393508686;dexX7_;lol 535173;1393508709;mircea_popescu;ahahahaah 535174;1393508716;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves they looked at atc and started dreamin'. 535175;1393508732;mircea_popescu;you can tell vitalik there's no chance of that. i wouldn't trade a bitten sub for his crud. 535176;1393508741;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00590005 = 5.9001 BTC [-] {9} 535177;1393508742;jurov;they got delusion mircea might be interested and crapped their pants 535178;1393508746;ThickAsThieves;i think he knows 535179;1393508771;mircea_popescu;apparently the compartment where knowledge happens and the compartment where this stuff happens don't communicate in the average bitcoiner brain 535180;1393508802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.0008653 = 32.4488 BTC [-] 535181;1393508863;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00599894 = 0.264 BTC [+] {2} 535182;1393508924;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00476 = 0.1238 BTC [-] 535183;1393508925;ThickAsThieves;btc-e is back btw 535184;1393509046;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.50932853 = 3.5653 BTC [+] {6} 535185;1393509047;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.11 = 0.77 BTC [-] 535186;1393509107;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 266 @ 0.00590015 = 1.5694 BTC [-] {2} 535187;1393509124;Duffer1;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/internet-guffaws-at-senators-quixotic-proposal-to-ban-bitcoin/ 535188;1393509168;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00483252 = 1.4498 BTC [+] {9} 535189;1393509194;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 who signs ? 535190;1393509218;Duffer1;? 535191;1393509229;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00488371 = 2.4419 BTC [+] {4} 535192;1393509320;ThickAsThieves;they quote erik and some random 535193;1393509337;ThickAsThieves;much funnier retorts were tweeted than thos equoted 535194;1393509350;mircea_popescu;if it isn't our old friend Cyrus Farivar 535195;1393509357;mircea_popescu;like one of the ... 2 ? 3 ? sane journos 535196;1393509412;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-] 535197;1393509473;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 201 @ 0.00591611 = 1.1891 BTC [-] {3} 535198;1393509474;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00489999 = 0.49 BTC [+] {3} 535199;1393509534;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5099999 = 1.02 BTC [+] 535200;1393509535;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 180 @ 0.00589999 = 1.062 BTC [-] {2} 535201;1393509900;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.00589999 = 0.4366 BTC [-] {2} 535202;1393509961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46350 @ 0.0008653 = 40.1067 BTC [-] 535203;1393509961;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.5099999 = 2.55 BTC [+] 535204;1393510022;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 5000 @ 0.00539122 = 26.9561 BTC [-] {55} 535205;1393510083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5099999 BTC [+] 535206;1393510144;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51 = 1.02 BTC [+] 535207;1393510185;mircea_popescu;so basically it looks like the crimeea secedes. 535208;1393510205;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1002 @ 0.00501789 = 5.0279 BTC [-] {11} 535209;1393510206;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-] 535210;1393510266;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51 = 1.02 BTC [+] {2} 535211;1393510301;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83794.msg5379477#msg5379477 lol 535212;1393510303;ozbot;List of Major Bitcoin Heists, Thefts, Hacks, Scams, and Losses 535213;1393510315;pankkake;why even trade those things that are far from tested 535214;1393510334;pankkake;why is the first step always to create an altcoin 535215;1393510388;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [+] 535216;1393510389;mircea_popescu;ill tell you why 535217;1393510392;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/27/us-bitcoin-mtgox-japan-idUSBREA1Q0I520140227 535218;1393510393;ozbot;Japan says any bitcoin regulation should be international 535219;1393510402;mircea_popescu;because the random clueless noob believes his independence is ultimately more important than his survival 535220;1393510424;mircea_popescu;because his parents have lived their entire life in a distorted environment engineered by government to misrepresent the feedback 535221;1393510441;mircea_popescu;making the world appear less risky and risky behaviour appear more rewarding than it is the case in fact. 535222;1393510461;mircea_popescu;this is not accidental but deliberate : the more unable to correctly price risk people are, the more they perceive the need for said government 535223;1393510466;pankkake;I'm trying to guide my parents out of the distorsion by the way… not working at all :( 535224;1393510472;mircea_popescu;of course this is a bankrupt arrangement, but that never stopped anyone before. 535225;1393510630;pankkake;interestingly, my mother, employed by the government and historically a socialist, is probably less blinded 535226;1393510633;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0047512 = 0.9502 BTC [-] 535227;1393510697;chetty;Even the brain dead are starting to notice something is wrong pankkake 535228;1393510724;pankkake;it's self delusion, it's a psychological issue mostly 535229;1393510937;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00568196 = 0.2841 BTC [-] {2} 535230;1393510971;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, too much cruft in logs to make it worth sorting thru for publishing 535231;1393510976;nubbins`;even in bash 535232;1393510981;chetty;denial is a stage of grief 535233;1393510998;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11733276 = 0.352 BTC [+] 535234;1393511007;nubbins`;jurov, wouldn't you rather your pgp fingerprint printed on a shirt in same-color ink tho? ;D 535235;1393511018;mircea_popescu;nubbins` jus messin with ya 535236;1393511038;nubbins`;messing with my dreams! 535237;1393511070;jurov;nubbins`: that's too dorky even for me 535238;1393511073;nubbins`;heh 535239;1393511117;jurov;oh, you did the dick surgery tees? i can't find them 535240;1393511120;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16040 @ 0.00086593 = 13.8895 BTC [+] {2} 535241;1393511121;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 139 @ 0.0055 = 0.7645 BTC 535242;1393511125;nubbins`;yeah, sec 535243;1393511181;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51975 = 1.0395 BTC [+] {2} 535244;1393511182;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00564999 = 0.2203 BTC [-] {2} 535245;1393511205;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/mOiUWOS << that's the tester, can't find any pics of actual tees 535246;1393511205;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 535247;1393511255;jurov;i have urology exam scheduled, but no way that would arrive on time 535248;1393511276;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/zRqQ0ls 535249;1393511276;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 535250;1393511286;nubbins`;urologist would just get real on ya ^ 535251;1393511309;nubbins`;i think we only have small and medium left anyway 535252;1393511390;jurov;wao-ender: you don't want one for gf? :D 535253;1393511434;wao-ender;lol 535254;1393511486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.0008635 = 6.5626 BTC [-] 535255;1393511487;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.523 BTC [+] 535256;1393511547;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.524699 = 1.5741 BTC [+] 535257;1393511608;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5247 BTC [+] 535258;1393511609;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00493709 = 0.9874 BTC [+] {5} 535259;1393511639;davout;such surgery 535260;1393511669;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06167978 = 0.185 BTC [-] {2} 535261;1393511670;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10160001 BTC [-] 535262;1393511671;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 535263;1393511672;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00494731 = 0.4947 BTC [+] {3} 535264;1393511730;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 618 @ 0.00057075 = 0.3527 BTC [+] {2} 535265;1393511731;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1016 = 0.2032 BTC [-] 535266;1393511732;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.52479733 = 7.872 BTC [+] {2} 535267;1393511734;nubbins`;so cut 535268;1393511741;davout;many pain 535269;1393511852;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00564999 = 0.3164 BTC [+] {2} 535270;1393511853;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] 535271;1393512115;ThickAsThieves;;;bcstats 535272;1393512119;gribble;Current Blocks: 288118 | Current Difficulty: 3.1295731745222874E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 288287 | Next Difficulty In: 169 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 21 hours, 7 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3794274722.56 | Estimated Percent Change: 21.23937 535273;1393512159;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.524999 = 1.575 BTC [+] 535274;1393512271;ThickAsThieves;gonna be a another nailbiter http://bitbet.us/bet/712/bitcoin-difficulty-over-5-6b-before-april/ 535275;1393512279;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.524 = 1.572 BTC [-] 535276;1393512340;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.524999 = 1.05 BTC [+] 535277;1393512462;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.00581326 = 0.4186 BTC [+] {3} 535278;1393512523;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 340 @ 0.00574999 = 1.955 BTC [-] {3} 535279;1393512541;chetty;http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-bitcoin-mt-gox-20140227,0,6907789.story#axzz2uWqaE2uJ 535280;1393512541;ozbot;Let investors ride out bitcoin's booms and busts - latimes.com 535281;1393512560;mircea_popescu;not bad 535282;1393512639;kakobrekla;what the shit 535283;1393512641;kakobrekla;http://www.auroracoin.org/? 535284;1393512641;ozbot;auroracoin 535285;1393512691;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla ThickAsThieves already butthurt about it. 535286;1393512706;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.11729617 = 1.4076 BTC [-] {4} 535287;1393512719;kakobrekla;ah 535288;1393512828;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00578998 = 0.8106 BTC [+] {3} 535289;1393512835;mircea_popescu;http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/hx530c25bd.jpg << how little do they know 535290;1393512880;ThickAsThieves;kako https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/439019328441438208 535291;1393512941;kakobrekla;i think you fucked up tat, you should do 100% premine next time. 535292;1393512950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00086684 = 29.5592 BTC [+] 535293;1393512950;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.524999 BTC [+] 535294;1393512980;mircea_popescu;can you even do 100% premine ? 535295;1393512992;kakobrekla;why not? 535296;1393512999;ThickAsThieves;well 535297;1393513006;ThickAsThieves;how do you maintain the ledger? 535298;1393513011;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00577999 = 0.578 BTC [-] {3} 535299;1393513012;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.524999 = 1.05 BTC [+] 535300;1393513022;kakobrekla;but with network txes ofc 535301;1393513036;kakobrekla;you can arbitrarily add those if ya wanna 535302;1393513072;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00577999 = 0.5086 BTC [-] 535303;1393513073;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0621 = 0.1242 BTC [+] 535304;1393513074;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.10160001 = 0.2032 BTC [+] 535305;1393513075;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] 535306;1393513081;mircea_popescu;still new blocks will have a reward neh ? 535307;1393513101;kakobrekla;not if you do a 100% premine 535308;1393513106;kakobrekla;:p 535309;1393513119;mircea_popescu;but on satoshi's code new blocks always have a reward 535310;1393513131;kakobrekla;until its less than 1 satoshi? 535311;1393513133;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.06246363 = 0.6871 BTC [+] {2} 535312;1393513134;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1016 BTC [-] 535313;1393513135;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 535314;1393513137;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1131 BTC [-] 535315;1393513138;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.524999 = 1.05 BTC [+] 535316;1393513144;mircea_popescu;can it even be < 1 satoshi ? 535317;1393513145;mircea_popescu;not afaik 535318;1393513162;kakobrekla;afaik it goes to 0 535319;1393513195;ThickAsThieves;core devs will save us either way 535320;1393513234;mircea_popescu;afaik it goes to 1 535321;1393513261;pankkake;I think the reward is rounded, and it should end up rounded to zero 535322;1393513268;pankkake;not that it will matter 535323;1393513290;pankkake;doge will save us anyway 535324;1393513299;kakobrekla;atc if not doge 535325;1393513301;Jere_Jones;Bitcoin is setup so that the coin generation will go to 0. Rewards will come from transaction fees. 535326;1393513303;ThickAsThieves;The Year 3000 Bug 535327;1393513307;kakobrekla;and vitalik if not atc 535328;1393513314;pankkake;atc goes to zero too 535329;1393513316;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.10610101 BTC [-] 535330;1393513341;pankkake;but bernankoin doesn't! 535331;1393513359;mircea_popescu;i guess we'll find out who's right in 2350 or so 535332;1393513388;ThickAsThieves;i s that when core devs learn to read the code? 535333;1393513415;jurov;maybe sooner... btc can easily have Y2038 bug 535334;1393513418;nubbins`;honestly 535335;1393513423;nubbins`;i'm starting a list 535336;1393513424;Jere_Jones;https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Controlled_supply 535337;1393513433;nubbins`;of "graphic designers" who can't be fucked to do their jobs properly 535338;1393513448;Jere_Jones;Block 6930000 will have 0 new coins. 535339;1393513448;jurov;in 2038 it overflows and starts issuing million btc per block 535340;1393513450;jurov;yay 535341;1393513452;nubbins`;some guy in a band contacts me to print some CD inserts 535342;1393513456;dexX7_;http://live.reuters.com/Event/Janet_Yellens_Congressional_testimony this woman was listed in the letter of the "ban bitcoin senator" ... is this related? 535343;1393513456;ozbot;Janet Yellen's Senate Banking Committee Testimony | Reuters.com 535344;1393513479;nubbins`;he sends along the whole re:re:re:re:re:re:re: email chain from his designer, where i find out he paid this person $250 to design a couple of shitty inserts 535345;1393513483;nubbins`;and they're not even the right size. 535346;1393513500;nubbins`;how bad do you have to be at your job to not even bother researching the dimensions of the thing you're making? 535347;1393513500;ThickAsThieves;lol nubbins` good luck 535348;1393513504;kakobrekla;http://yanukovychleaks.org 535349;1393513514;nubbins`;i'm not fixing it, just told him 535350;1393513514;ThickAsThieves;gd is the new blue collar derp job 535351;1393513520;nubbins`;it really is 535352;1393513548;ThickAsThieves;that and "producer" 535353;1393513548;nubbins`;he wants to pay a "graphic" "designer" to make something, he can pay them to fix their mistakes 535354;1393513563;nubbins`;seriously, the back CD insert is a centimeter and a half too short. 535355;1393513608;ThickAsThieves;reflect the adjacent centimeter and send a proof 535356;1393513621;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.10610101 = 0.4244 BTC [-] {2} 535357;1393513624;ThickAsThieves;or stretch it, even more likely to be approved 535358;1393513632;ThickAsThieves;of course your sould will die a little 535359;1393513639;ThickAsThieves;soul* 535360;1393513646;nubbins`;nah, i'm not being paid to dick with graphics, i'm being paid to print them 535361;1393513650;nubbins`;no free lunch 535362;1393513652;kakobrekla;lemme slander it for you 535363;1393513682;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00576 = 0.1728 BTC [-] 535364;1393513738;Duffer1;dexX7 not likely 535365;1393513838;Duffer1;dexX7 but she is vice chair of the federal reserve so if she mentions bitcoin at all it would likely be interesting 535366;1393513848;ThickAsThieves;you'll see yellen's name all over the place she's the new fed chair 535367;1393513924;ThickAsThieves;white dove, they call her 535368;1393513926;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.00576 = 0.743 BTC [-] 535369;1393513942;ThickAsThieves;they also love calling her "dovish" 535370;1393514109;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 535371;1393514170;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 174 @ 0.00563732 = 0.9809 BTC [-] {10} 535372;1393514174;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i mean either epoxy or seals, can these both work in any sense ? << depends on the exact sense wanted. 535373;1393514201;asciilifeform;if the 'seal' is connected to a burglar alarm, and a tripped alarm means a platoon of soldiers showing up in 30 sec., then sure. 535374;1393514214;asciilifeform;and even then it's not a sure bet. 535375;1393514231;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.52 = 2.08 BTC [-] {2} 535376;1393514233;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 21 @ 0.00571002 = 0.1199 BTC [+] {2} 535377;1393514292;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 215 @ 0.00553541 = 1.1901 BTC [-] {5} 535378;1393514348;mircea_popescu;i don't get it tho 535379;1393514354;mircea_popescu;epoxy prevents unsealing from doing anything. 535380;1393514364;mircea_popescu;either you use an alarm on the door or you brick it up. 535381;1393514375;mircea_popescu;what's a bricked up door with an alarm supposed to do ? 535382;1393514381;asciilifeform;the seal is for inspectors. the epoxy is there against the 'owner.' 535383;1393514398;mircea_popescu;but why would someone tamper with the seals on an epoxied item 535384;1393514400;asciilifeform;it is so i need a shoebox full of these phones, rather than 1 or 2, to extract whatever turd may be of interest therein. 535385;1393514433;asciilifeform;presumably the whole thing isn't potted 535386;1393514441;asciilifeform;there are 'sim' sockets, and antennae 535387;1393514446;asciilifeform;and perhaps other connectors 535388;1393514475;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1063 BTC [+] 535389;1393514496;mircea_popescu;i guess it'd have to be 535390;1393514531;asciilifeform;their open declaration 'this priceless gem must never fall into the hands of the public' is simply begging for it. 535391;1393514536;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11737022 BTC [+] 535392;1393514597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6988 @ 0.00086592 = 6.051 BTC [-] 535393;1393514618;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: potting in epoxy is so very '70s 535394;1393514636;asciilifeform;it went out of style, as i understand - because it mostly just annoys people 535395;1393514659;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.516 BTC [-] 535396;1393514727;asciilifeform;the Votrax voice synth that unix 'speak' utility was meant for, was, if i recall, potted 535397;1393514748;asciilifeform;it was a cheap trick management insisted on, somewhat like modern copyprotection 535398;1393514816;asciilifeform;not that it can't be used to some effect - ibm crypto card had potting with a kind of conductive mesh, that when broken would lose SRAM 535399;1393514852;asciilifeform;and if i recall, some current anti-personnel mines have the detonator and anti-handling device (gyro) 'potted' in the main charge. 535400;1393514896;asciilifeform;main problem is: unless you (owner) personally wrapped the mesh and poured the epoxy, the device is a 'jail not a castle' 535401;1393514907;asciilifeform;because you then do not know what is inside. 535402;1393514918;asciilifeform;you (on the outside) are in the jail. 535403;1393514930;asciilifeform;'are you inside or outside of a klein bottle?' 535404;1393515329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00086715 = 2.7749 BTC [+] 535405;1393515361;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones what the wiki says and what the code does... 535406;1393515391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26586 @ 0.00086571 = 23.0158 BTC [-] {2} 535407;1393515425;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/2014-02-27-Letter-to-Senator-Manchin.pdf 535408;1393515446;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well it doesn't do much, i have some epoxy solvent right here 535409;1393515512;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.10615005 BTC [-] 535410;1393515524;mircea_popescu;(methylene chloride) 535411;1393515526;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'state of the art' is epoxy poured over a widget having bridges made of conductive epoxy, with ordinary epoxy poured over 535412;1393515533;asciilifeform;that dissolve together 535413;1393515551;mircea_popescu;i guess. 535414;1393515556;asciilifeform;this is not a show-stopper, it just means that you need to work at it. 535415;1393515566;asciilifeform;(hence shoebox full of identical victims) 535416;1393515603;mircea_popescu;if their hopes of ppl not finding out what's inside rest with epoxy... 535417;1393515605;mircea_popescu;but anyway. 535418;1393515614;asciilifeform;i think their 'hopes' rest with the price tag 535419;1393515618;asciilifeform;and controlled supply chain 535420;1393515673;mircea_popescu;and for the annals of twitter lolz : 535421;1393515676;mircea_popescu;Julian Sanchez @normative 1h Somewhere, a British spy is wanking to your last naked video chat. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/gchq-nsa-webcam-images-internet-yahoo 535422;1393515676;mircea_popescu;Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu 58m @normative Actually most of these office rat "spies" are women. 535423;1393515676;mircea_popescu;Christopher Gurr @ChrisGurr 47m @Mircea_Popescu @normative women do masturbate. 535424;1393515676;mircea_popescu;Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu 31m @ChrisGurr @normative Sure, sure, but I think you see what I mean. 535425;1393515677;mircea_popescu;Christopher Gurr @ChrisGurr 15m @Mircea_Popescu @normative not really. 535426;1393515679;mircea_popescu;Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu now @ChrisGurr Well I guess we can rehash this conversation once you meet a woman then. 535427;1393515779;mike_c;mircea_popescu: you mind if we crib your screenshots to start a screenshot page on eulorum? 535428;1393515839;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/zJ15xMh 535429;1393515839;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 535430;1393515842;*;nubbins` chuckles 535431;1393515990;mircea_popescu;mike_c not rly 535432;1393516004;mircea_popescu;course ideally you run the thing and get your on ss's but hey... 535433;1393516009;mike_c;k. they will be credited to trilema. 535434;1393516012;mircea_popescu;apparently its a tougher nut to compile than i thought 535435;1393516014;mike_c;yeah, that is the hope 535436;1393516022;mircea_popescu;you dun have to credit ingame ss's tbh 535437;1393516033;mircea_popescu;i didn't... you know, contribute intellectually. 535438;1393516051;mircea_popescu;nubbins` why tits on dick surgery ? 535439;1393516073;nubbins`;milkless saqs 535440;1393516083;nubbins`;those aren't tits, it's a nutsack with nipples 535441;1393516114;mircea_popescu;hm 535442;1393516122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30711 @ 0.00086563 = 26.5844 BTC [-] 535443;1393516147;mircea_popescu;omfg my spam 535444;1393516151;mircea_popescu;had special characters 535445;1393516153;mircea_popescu;doesn't show in the log 535446;1393516155;*;mircea_popescu cries 535447;1393516164;nubbins`;noooo 535448;1393516246;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: i'm not sure how tough it is to compile on linux 535449;1393516255;mircea_popescu;not very. 535450;1393516260;jurov;depends 535451;1393516263;jurov;i gave up 535452;1393516265;mircea_popescu;but you all use iphones or w/e 535453;1393516269;mircea_popescu;jurov o srsly ? what happened ? 535454;1393516290;jurov;segfault and no debug symbols 535455;1393516307;jurov;so i embarked on compiling crystalstuff 535456;1393516314;jurov;and failed 535457;1393516327;nubbins`;which CS? 535458;1393516333;nubbins`;i used 2.1 latest snapshot 535459;1393516353;jurov;i tried both latest and the revision chetty gave me 535460;1393516371;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: TBF most of the trouble i had was related to osx-specific code 535461;1393516392;nubbins`;what sort of problems did you run into w/ your compile? 535462;1393516405;mircea_popescu;jurov cs failed the compile ? 535463;1393516418;jurov;yes. gentoo does have cs 2.0 and it compiles, maybe sometime i'll research by what magic 535464;1393516428;nubbins`;i think 2.1 is required 535465;1393516429;jurov;i just had enough 535466;1393516438;jurov;nubs yes thats the problem 535467;1393516438;mircea_popescu;yeah the segfault was 99% because you probably couldn't acquire a video surface 535468;1393516440;mircea_popescu;cause no cs 535469;1393516479;jurov;then i noticed cs shipped with eulora 0.0.1 links dorectly to ati proprietary driver 535470;1393516484;nubbins`;CS itself requires a bunch of libraries to be installed, but the report produced at the end of ./configure lists what's there and what's not 535471;1393516488;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.54332299 = 6.5199 BTC [+] {6} 535472;1393516489;mike_c;i tried a couple different versions of ati drivers but can't stop segfaulting either. 535473;1393516500;nubbins`;ah 535474;1393516514;nubbins`;this macbook has, i think, nvidia 535475;1393516527;jurov;just don't know what to dowith it 535476;1393516533;nubbins`;nod 535477;1393516550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00567999 = 0.284 BTC [-] 535478;1393516554;nubbins`;i gave up compiling earlier versions, decided i had a vested interest in getting this to work, buckled down 535479;1393516560;chetty;looks like upgrading my development system threw a few curves :( 535480;1393516610;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00498607 = 0.2543 BTC [+] {2} 535481;1393516611;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00559 = 0.2124 BTC [-] {3} 535482;1393516670;nubbins`;jurov FWIW there's a ton of info out there on random CS compilation issues from older versions, some of it is still relevant 535483;1393516681;nubbins`;just a bit of a slog sorting through the error logs etc 535484;1393516700;jurov;yes i found some, killed few hours with no avail 535485;1393516718;mike_c;we need eulora to run easier to boost ATC prices! 535486;1393516726;nubbins`;mike_c: what?! 535487;1393516733;*;nubbins` removes osx compilation instructions 535488;1393516739;mike_c;haha 535489;1393516748;chetty;there is a #crystalspace channel might get some help there 535490;1393516754;nubbins`;WAIT FUCK IT'S A WIKI THAT WON'T WORK 535491;1393516759;jurov;ok, some other day 535492;1393516766;mike_c;luckily i control the database :) 535493;1393516789;nubbins`;;D 535494;1393516793;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 232 @ 0.00560692 = 1.3008 BTC [-] {6} 535495;1393516799;mircea_popescu;so basically cs ships with an ati proprietary driver object linked ? 535496;1393516802;nubbins`;pascale runs ubuntu, i might take a stab at it over the weekend 535497;1393516840;jurov;just do ldd on the .so, you'll see 535498;1393516848;nubbins`;meantime, i need to figure out why my keyboard input doesn't get redirected to the gui 535499;1393516867;nubbins`;just shows up in the terminal window from which the gui is launched 535500;1393516883;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you on x ? 535501;1393516886;nubbins`;yep 535502;1393516894;mircea_popescu;this is fucking ridiculous, x doesn't have any isolation 535503;1393516895;nubbins`;mouse clicks get picked up 535504;1393516901;nubbins`;wait, sorry 535505;1393516903;mircea_popescu;any x app can pick the kbd 535506;1393516907;nubbins`;i'm not on x 535507;1393516909;mircea_popescu;oh 535508;1393516916;mircea_popescu;well what are you on ? 535509;1393516920;mircea_popescu;o wait you had osx ? 535510;1393516923;nubbins`;nod 535511;1393516955;mircea_popescu;did they just rip off x into something incompatible or what did they do 535512;1393516977;nubbins`;x on osx is called xquartz (gets launched when i run gimp, inkscape, etc) 535513;1393516995;nubbins`;but when i run ./psclient from terminal, gui window opens up without the help of xquarts 535514;1393516998;nubbins`;*xquartz 535515;1393517037;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.06289989 = 0.7548 BTC [+] 535516;1393517038;kakobrekla;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/gchq-nsa-webcam-images-internet-yahoo 535517;1393517039;ozbot;GCHQ intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users worldwide | World news | theguardian.com 535518;1393517048;nubbins`;i know nothing of the internals involved there, tho 535519;1393517055;nubbins`;more research needed 535520;1393517095;nubbins`;fyi, i'll be buttering you up for more stock warrants if i end up maintaining osx releases ;D 535521;1393517099;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1015 BTC [-] 535522;1393517100;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00554999 = 0.2109 BTC [-] 535523;1393517101;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 535524;1393517327;bitcoinpete;ahoy 535525;1393517337;nubbins`;avast 535526;1393517382;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla YES 535527;1393517392;mircea_popescu;that is the thing i was commenting about and doesn't show up in the log! 535528;1393517403;kakobrekla;lol. 535529;1393517405;mircea_popescu;can't you make it so unrecognised characters are just stripped out ? 535530;1393517410;mircea_popescu;rather than whole line failing ? 535531;1393517413;mircea_popescu;it's driving me nuts 535532;1393517414;kakobrekla;no clue 535533;1393517421;kakobrekla;lol 535534;1393517434;kakobrekla;ill take a look at some point 535535;1393517464;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.5449 = 2.1796 BTC [+] 535536;1393517471;bitcoinpete;now I understand why ThickAsThieves was asking about me... 535537;1393517487;bitcoinpete;He read my last blog and left a comment because I mentioned Neo 535538;1393517488;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/the-wallet-inspectors-promise/#comments 535539;1393517490;ozbot;The Wallet Inspector’s Promise | When Bitcoin Met Pete 535540;1393517500;Duffer1;ya saw that hehe 535541;1393517525;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 472 @ 0.00540388 = 2.5506 BTC [-] {10} 535542;1393517526;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00086715 = 25.7544 BTC [+] 535543;1393517527;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete so did oyu delete ? 535544;1393517557;kakobrekla;already 4 articles on that blog, not bad 535545;1393517560;mircea_popescu;ah i see not. 535546;1393517561;kakobrekla;more than i ever produced. 535547;1393517583;nubbins`;bitcoinpete lel 535548;1393517586;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 69 @ 0.00539999 = 0.3726 BTC [-] {2} 535549;1393517638;bitcoinpete;Maybe I didn't need to mention Neo… but it's been hyped enough of late. Makes the article seem up with the times. 535550;1393517664;mike_c;don't back down! 535551;1393517669;mircea_popescu;eh dun sweat it. 535552;1393517708;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00541017 = 0.2164 BTC [+] 535553;1393517709;bitcoinpete;I'm not, I understand the implication I made 535554;1393517715;mike_c;that's what comments are for anyway, to debate the post. TaT got his word in. 535555;1393517729;mircea_popescu;^ 535556;1393517757;bitcoinpete;mmhmm 535557;1393517896;bitcoinpete;I've got another article in the pipeline about patience 535558;1393517933;nubbins`;http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/02/27/1616201/quebec-language-police-target-store-owners-facebook-page 535559;1393517934;ozbot;Quebec Language Police Target Store Owner's Facebook Page - Slashdot 535560;1393517989;pankkake;ils sont fous ces québécois 535561;1393518009;nubbins`;oui ;( 535562;1393518050;nubbins`;j'ai vécu au Québec pour un été 535563;1393518064;nubbins`;endroit étrange 535564;1393518074;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1046 BTC [+] 535565;1393518076;Apocalyptic;nubbins speak french heh 535566;1393518079;Apocalyptic;+s 535567;1393518082;nubbins`;i'm canadian 535568;1393518085;nubbins`;obv 535569;1393518111;nubbins`;you only speak one language?! 535570;1393518130;Apocalyptic;I speak 4 535571;1393518135;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00533001 = 0.533 BTC [-] {3} 535572;1393518154;nubbins`;and french isn't one of them? 535573;1393518156;nubbins`;:0 535574;1393518160;Apocalyptic;it is, why ? 535575;1393518175;nubbins`;not sure where your "heh" came from :D 535576;1393518189;Apocalyptic;was just genuinely surprised 535577;1393518193;nubbins`;ah 535578;1393518196;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 155 @ 0.00533 = 0.8262 BTC [-] {5} 535579;1393518219;mike_c;^ bitcoinpete drives down neo stock 535580;1393518221;nubbins`;anyway, pankkake might argue that i don't speak "french" at all 535581;1393518231;nubbins`;but a bastardized derivation thereof 535582;1393518257;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 360 @ 0.00533 = 1.9188 BTC [-] {4} 535583;1393518270;bitcoinpete;mice_c ha! ce n'est pas ma faute! 535584;1393518284;mircea_popescu;wait is it french day again ? 535585;1393518294;Apocalyptic;seems like it 535586;1393518294;nubbins`;non 535587;1393518295;bitcoinpete;it is in bruxelles 535588;1393518298;nubbins`;ANGLAIS SEULEMENT SVP 535589;1393518301;bitcoinpete;my god their french is lovely here 535590;1393518303;asciilifeform;re: 'GCHQ intercepted webcam images' << goes great with the well-known fact that most laptop cameras have software-controlled activity lights. 535591;1393518319;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 353 @ 0.00533 = 1.8815 BTC [-] {4} 535592;1393518320;mircea_popescu;maybe not so well known 535593;1393518337;asciilifeform;(this is one of those things that actually costs something, and is in no conceivable case an accident) 535594;1393518340;mike_c;http://eyebloc.com/ 535595;1393518341;ozbot;Eyebloc Webcam Cover - Webcam Blocker as Seen on Shark Tank 535596;1393518368;nubbins`;eyebloc prevents your lid from closing 535597;1393518371;nubbins`;why not use a sticker? 535598;1393518379;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00533001 = 0.1919 BTC [+] {2} 535599;1393518380;asciilifeform;why not open the damn thing up and unplug it 535600;1393518383;mike_c;cuz consumerism 535601;1393518386;pankkake;so you can remove it, I guess 535602;1393518391;nubbins`;open up a macbook? what are you, new? ;( 535603;1393518396;asciilifeform;it's virtually always an ordinary usb device with a non-standard plug 535604;1393518423;nubbins`;pankkake: piece of tape with a piece of paper in the middle of the sticky side 535605;1393518482;nubbins`;AS SEEN ON SHARK TANK 535606;1393518488;nubbins`;AS SEEN ON TV 535607;1393518501;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0053011 = 0.2651 BTC [-] {4} 535608;1393518507;nubbins`;do they even have a product? i can't find it amongst all the SHARK TANK logos 535609;1393518543;asciilifeform;incidentally, winblows camera trojans are old hat. 535610;1393518562;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00531 = 0.4885 BTC [+] 535611;1393518598;mircea_popescu;gotta get the gurlz used to camwhoring somehow. 535612;1393518609;wao-ender;v0v, that krym politics 535613;1393518623;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 154 @ 0.00531 = 0.8177 BTC [+] {2} 535614;1393518639;wao-ender;there will be referendum for autonomy? 535615;1393518654;mircea_popescu;ok so : knowing that the "on the internet no one knows you're a dog" cartoon is the most reprinted cartoon in the history of the new yorker, 535616;1393518660;mircea_popescu;how much did the author make from rights so far ? 535617;1393518666;nubbins`;$20 535618;1393518670;mircea_popescu;more 535619;1393518687;bitcoinpete;1 million 535620;1393518689;mircea_popescu;less 535621;1393518694;asciilifeform;1k 535622;1393518696;mircea_popescu;more 535623;1393518699;nubbins`;50k 535624;1393518701;mircea_popescu;right 535625;1393518706;nubbins`;cheated ;( 535626;1393518708;mircea_popescu;4 questions. smartypants. 535627;1393518710;mircea_popescu;awww 535628;1393518735;mircea_popescu;fucking internet, can't have a contest anymore 535629;1393518735;asciilifeform;i think that's close to the exact sum, in modern usd, that tolkien was paid for his books. 535630;1393518744;mike_c;"The cartoon marks a notable moment in the history of the Internet. Once the exclusive domain of government engineers and academics, the Internet was now a subject of discussion in general interest magazines like The New Yorker." 535631;1393518746;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 112 @ 0.0053 = 0.5936 BTC [-] 535632;1393518753;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform meanwhile the retarded woman made like 1bn 535633;1393518753;mike_c;bitcoin is already there i guess 535634;1393518782;thestringpuller;why you hatin' on harry potter? 535635;1393518782;nubbins`;in bitcoin, nobody knows you're a derp 535636;1393518789;thestringpuller;is that really necessary? 535637;1393518807;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.0053 = 0.6625 BTC [-] 535638;1393518829;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller i just think it's pulpy. 535639;1393518853;benkay;hey thestringpuller i found your new shoes 535640;1393518855;benkay;strin 535641;1393518856;nubbins`;nothing wrong with pulp 535642;1393518858;benkay;http://www.zumiez.com/dc-villain-le-wheat-black-slippers.html 535643;1393518858;ozbot;DC Villain LE Wheat & Black Slippers at Zumiez : PDP 535644;1393518881;nubbins`;consider that HP inspired a generation of kids to fall in love with books 535645;1393518890;nubbins`;that's a net positive 535646;1393518899;asciilifeform;i recall reading that H.P. was sort of like mtgox 535647;1393518916;asciilifeform;in that it was picked for the 'slot' by media mouthpieces 535648;1393518923;mircea_popescu;^ 535649;1393518934;mircea_popescu;i dunno that it "did" anything 535650;1393518950;benkay;hp was great in that it gave pretty 13 year old girls something different to run their mouths about 535651;1393518950;mircea_popescu;it was just there, any other piece of pulp would have worked the same way 535652;1393518959;asciilifeform;there is this old custom in the u.s., of 'crowning' some nobody 535653;1393518963;mircea_popescu;different than what ? 535654;1393518973;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at least the greeks killed the nobody when done 535655;1393518984;benkay;lacrosse at our school 535656;1393518985;mircea_popescu;rather than leaving the turd floating on a billion dollars. 535657;1393518990;benkay;probably mtv elsewhere 535658;1393519003;asciilifeform;$1b is never given to a nobody, it is only lent. 535659;1393519008;asciilifeform;just like lottery winners 535660;1393519019;Apocalyptic;unless it's in bitcoins 535661;1393519023;asciilifeform;it eventually comes back to where it must, like water 535662;1393519028;benkay;even so, Apocalyptic 535663;1393519036;MisterE;http://thingsthatarecheaperthanwhatsapp.tumblr.com/ 535664;1393519037;ozbot;Things that are cheaper than whatsapp 535665;1393519068;bitcoinpete;LHC, whoa 535666;1393519090;benkay;i soliloquized on the benefits of the gox coins ending up in the hands of humans who undertsand how coins work instead of gox' or their customers last night 535667;1393519095;benkay;went over like a charm 535668;1393519111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00086839 = 30.3068 BTC [+] {3} 535669;1393519130;mike_c;if only gox traded bernankoin those poor souls could be made whole. 535670;1393519151;Apocalyptic;benkay, you may have a point 535671;1393519153;asciilifeform;MisterE: re: 'things cheaper than' << think about what would happen if the folks with the funny money actually bought 38 million cows or whatnot 535672;1393519167;asciilifeform;it's rather like the $MAXINT account on gox 535673;1393519201;mike_c;but the cow dealer might not take most of the money in facebook stock like whatsapp did. 535674;1393519233;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.0053 = 0.636 BTC [-] 535675;1393519239;benkay;Apocalyptic: i'm a bit of a pariah among locals in bitcoin right now due to the glee i exhibited over the past 4 months in their demise. my only consolation is that the derps will turn over, as they do here. it just seems to be slower around here, mostly i think 'cause people lack any sort of hustle in these parts. 535676;1393519246;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what'd happen ? there'd suddenly be a stringent need for regulation 535677;1393519254;kakobrekla;the only thing you can do with that much cow is ipcc extortion 535678;1393519256;mircea_popescu;so as to inflate away the property rights acquired 535679;1393519287;benkay;Apocalyptic: of course, saying "you don't deserve your coins" yields a quick ticket to the edge of the desert 535680;1393519293;asciilifeform;more mundanely, the money would buy perhaps 10,000 cows. 535681;1393519316;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8l85yDkWy1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg 535682;1393519416;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.11334348 = 1.5868 BTC [+] 535683;1393519505;benkay;nerds :( 535684;1393519523;benkay;"a naked lay-dee!" 535685;1393519538;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0052785 = 1.0557 BTC [-] {2} 535686;1393519599;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00529998 = 0.1855 BTC [+] {3} 535687;1393519602;mircea_popescu;mhm. 535688;1393519660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13626 @ 0.00086878 = 11.838 BTC [+] 535689;1393519660;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00529998 = 0.265 BTC [+] {2} 535690;1393519721;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00520686 = 0.755 BTC [-] {3} 535691;1393519745;benkay;jurov mircea_popescu you are both right as always about physics stuffs 535692;1393519766;benkay;but! 535693;1393519783;benkay;actually no buts 535694;1393519787;mircea_popescu;lmao 535695;1393519790;mircea_popescu;what did i do nao 535696;1393519791;benkay;.bait 535697;1393519795;ozbot;http://assets.tumblr.com/images/copyright_500.png 535698;1393519818;kakobrekla;such asset 535699;1393519825;mircea_popescu;what the holy shit is a "LNP Specialist " supposed to be 535700;1393519850;benkay;"licker of new penises" 535701;1393519861;jurov;mircea_popescu: it was the inflatable dick stretching to sea floor 535702;1393519877;mircea_popescu;o ic 535703;1393519888;mircea_popescu;so apparently a "lnp specialist" is what they call phonewhores 535704;1393519898;mircea_popescu;ie the camwhores that do voice customer support. 535705;1393519904;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.005205 = 0.1562 BTC [-] 535706;1393519926;asciilifeform;'phonewalla' (as described in film 'slumdog millionaire') 535707;1393519926;Jere_Jones;mircea_popescu I've looked at the code that calculates the max coinbase out and it does indeed calculate a subsidy of 0 for blocks 6930000 and greater. I can explain it line by line if you like. 535708;1393519982;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones my question is different. will blocks with a 0 miner fee be accepted as valid ? 535709;1393519998;Jere_Jones;Yes 535710;1393520013;mircea_popescu;well then i give 535711;1393520027;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 938 @ 0.00505339 = 4.7401 BTC [-] {13} 535712;1393520035;pankkake;you can already make a block with 0 now 535713;1393520069;Jere_Jones;ConnectBlock is the function that verifies a block. It only ensures that the value out of the first transaction is not greater than a calculated value. One would expect 0 to not be greater than. 535714;1393520087;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 625 @ 0.00495599 = 3.0975 BTC [-] {3} 535715;1393520102;jurov;lol mining such blocks would be a good way to rile everyone up 535716;1393520106;mircea_popescu;i got nothin'! 535717;1393520142;Jere_Jones;That would destroy coins since the fees would disappear. 535718;1393520149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00086493 = 2.9408 BTC [-] {2} 535719;1393520260;Jere_Jones;Wow. Extrapolating that to absurd means you could destroy every single bitcoin. The blockchain could have a grand total of 0 satoshis spendable. 535720;1393520270;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.0048884 = 0.831 BTC [-] {7} 535721;1393520303;Jere_Jones;I imagine that long before that could happen there would be some code added to ensure the coinbase adds up to the fees in order to prevent that. 535722;1393520316;benkay;Jere_Jones: would you link somewhere near this in the source? 535723;1393520320;mircea_popescu;it wouldn't be 0, 535724;1393520324;mircea_popescu;it'd be current total base 535725;1393520331;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 113 @ 0.00496 = 0.5605 BTC [+] {2} 535726;1393520364;Jere_Jones;benkay https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/e3e65d29b70c64808b3ab5c58ce0b3bcefaadc5d/src/main.cpp#L1093 535727;1393520392;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.49075700 BTC to 3`100 shares, 80347 satoshi per share 535728;1393520392;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.00518217 = 0.881 BTC [+] {5} 535729;1393520415;Jere_Jones;The not greater than check is here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/e3e65d29b70c64808b3ab5c58ce0b3bcefaadc5d/src/main.cpp#L1738 535730;1393520545;mircea_popescu;>>= is that right bitshift ? 535731;1393520558;asciilifeform;yes. 535732;1393520560;Jere_Jones;yes. 0 fill bitshift 535733;1393520636;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 1.47825643 BTC to 320`663 shares, 461 satoshi per share 535734;1393520696;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bg7_WS1IgAEa7sB.jpg:large << map of countries the uk has not invaded. 535735;1393520697;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 23 @ 0.00517997 = 0.1191 BTC [-] {2} 535736;1393520759;jurov;when did it invade eastern europe? 535737;1393520786;asciilifeform;jurov: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War 535738;1393520944;asciilifeform;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mark_in_Arkhangelsk_RU.JPG 535739;1393520947;asciilifeform;epic translation fail 535740;1393520961;asciilifeform;'English: Mark V female tank in Arkhangelsk' 535741;1393521082;benkay;http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/02/normcore-fashion-trend.html 535742;1393521176;mircea_popescu;lol 535743;1393521177;pankkake;benkay: burn them all 535744;1393521260;mircea_popescu;anyway : janet yellen yields to trilema 535745;1393521264;mircea_popescu;"fed has no authority in btc" 535746;1393521309;bitcoinpete;boom 535747;1393521320;benkay;no but wait she doesn't matter we must consult the forumoracles 535748;1393521342;benkay;(buttcoin fumaroles) 535749;1393521348;mircea_popescu;yeah right, who is she 535750;1393521353;mircea_popescu;hasn't even done an ama or anything. 535751;1393521376;benkay;yeah gosh doesn't she know bitcoin is a people power movement? 535752;1393521392;benkay;never going to get anywhere with this elitest fiat attitude... 535753;1393521414;nubbins`;people power 535754;1393521415;bitcoinpete;speaking of the fed, mircea_popescu, I've been looking for that line in the logs about the world having its Zimbabwe moment from 2010-2014 and not even knowing it. That's classic. Do you remember when it was or have a link? 535755;1393521416;nubbins`;PPLP 535756;1393521423;asciilifeform;in other news, 'flir' camera for the proles. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2454119,00.asp 535757;1393521429;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.54489999 = 1.0898 BTC [-] 535758;1393521436;nubbins`;ppl(W/T) 535759;1393521480;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2014#468962 535760;1393521497;bitcoinpete;gratzi 535761;1393521506;benkay;asciilifeform: my limited intel sez flir's having a hard time 535762;1393521512;benkay;ergo consumer devices? 535763;1393521568;asciilifeform;$1k longwave IR viewers are old hat 535764;1393521576;asciilifeform;plenty of electronics hobbyists own them 535765;1393521602;asciilifeform;usually 10x10 pixels or so, but that's enough to find thermal faults 535766;1393521613;nubbins`;http://bitcoinmagazine.com/10574/warning-bm-subscribers-open-document-re-mt-gox-staff/ 535767;1393521614;nubbins`;lel 535768;1393521615;ozbot;WARNING to BM Subscribers: Do NOT Open Any Document Re: Mt.Gox from Our Staff – Bitcoin Magazine 535769;1393521646;nubbins`;i think she meant to say "that purports to be from our staff", but w/e 535770;1393521663;nubbins`;also, -1 for tip address at bottom of article 535771;1393521669;mircea_popescu;nubbins` https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/439030163729575936 535772;1393521684;nubbins`;haha 535773;1393521708;mircea_popescu;the value of bitcoin is principally this : that an intelligent agent can turn any turdgasm into comedy gold. 535774;1393521795;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.00500239 = 0.2101 BTC [-] {2} 535775;1393521856;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00490005 = 0.1666 BTC [-] {2} 535776;1393521857;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5449 = 1.0898 BTC [+] 535777;1393521897;Korbman;anybody from the US get a call from the SEC today / recently? 535778;1393521978;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0048 = 0.24 BTC [-] 535779;1393521987;kakobrekla;arent you from HL? 535780;1393522018;Korbman;on HL, yes, but it wasn't about me they wanted to talk about 535781;1393522039;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00476002 = 0.476 BTC [-] 535782;1393522040;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06135022 = 0.1227 BTC [-] 535783;1393522042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00086792 = 4.7736 BTC [+] {2} 535784;1393522070;Duffer1;ukyo/burnside? 535785;1393522082;Korbman;SatoshiDice and MPEx 535786;1393522091;Duffer1;fascinating 535787;1393522100;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5478 BTC [+] 535788;1393522101;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06135021 = 0.1227 BTC [-] {2} 535789;1393522103;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 164 @ 0.00476003 = 0.7806 BTC [+] 535790;1393522108;nubbins`;huh. interesting! 535791;1393522120;Korbman;indeed, and surprising 535792;1393522125;Apocalyptic;huh indeed 535793;1393522136;Duffer1;vorhees and popescu then 535794;1393522140;Apocalyptic;next thing we know they're coming to Timisoara 535795;1393522148;nubbins`;twist: they're hosting the conference 535796;1393522151;mike_c;what did they want to know? 535797;1393522156;Apocalyptic;haha nubbins` 535798;1393522162;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.06135 = 0.3681 BTC [-] 535799;1393522164;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5479 BTC [+] 535800;1393522172;Duffer1;probably if they had US customers/investors 535801;1393522192;*;nubbins` pops corn 535802;1393522202;Korbman;they were wondering if I held any shares of Dice on MPEx, who any PT operators were, and if I received payments (dividends) 535803;1393522220;Korbman;Duffer1: my thoughts exactly 535804;1393522223;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5479 BTC [+] 535805;1393522260;Duffer1;they're in for an unpleasant time if they thing their cock size will impress Mircea lol 535806;1393522265;Duffer1;think* 535807;1393522283;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0048 = 0.48 BTC [+] {2} 535808;1393522284;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06055006 = 0.1817 BTC [-] {2} 535809;1393522299;mike_c;did they seem to be aware that dice is no longer listed? 535810;1393522335;Duffer1;did they ask you not to mention anything Korbman? 535811;1393522344;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.548333 = 1.645 BTC [+] {2} 535812;1393522388;nubbins`;Duffer1, SEC lurks here, so i hope not 535813;1393522392;Korbman;mike_c: seemed that way, but they didn't divulge much on what's going on 535814;1393522405;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.06005444 = 0.5405 BTC [-] {4} 535815;1393522426;Korbman;Duffer1: there wasn't any explicit indication that it was to be private 535816;1393522439;Duffer1;i see 535817;1393522443;Korbman;or else I wouldn't be on here haha :P 535818;1393522457;Apocalyptic;good answer 535819;1393522496;*;nubbins` divests 535820;1393522510;Duffer1;welcome SEC, say hello 535821;1393522511;nubbins`;Duffer1: cock size, maybe not. extradition order, maybe so. 535822;1393522527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00086831 = 23.2707 BTC [+] {2} 535823;1393522529;deadweasel;lol, how do you think romania would respond to such? 535824;1393522534;nubbins`;http://www.fbi.gov/newyork/press-releases/2013/three-members-of-international-cyber-fraud-ring-extradited-from-romania-to-the-united-states 535825;1393522535;ozbot;FBI — Three Members of International Cyber Fraud Ring Extradited from Romania to the United States 535826;1393522538;nubbins`;^ that's how 535827;1393522542;deadweasel;well shit 535828;1393522560;Apocalyptic;one mircea is among them 535829;1393522564;nubbins`;last name 535830;1393522573;BingoBoingo;Eh, There's always Somalia 535831;1393522574;Apocalyptic;true 535832;1393522574;mircea_popescu;nubbins` derp. 535833;1393522588;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5499 BTC [+] 535834;1393522601;nubbins`;hey, all i do is opine and link 535835;1393522624;nubbins`;"The Bucharest Appeals Court ordered the extraditions of Mircea, Pieptea, and Simion on February 2, 2013. The defendants were subsequently transported to the Eastern District of New York and arraigned on March 27, 2013." 535836;1393522655;mircea_popescu;aren't these the guys with the fake ebay listings ? 535837;1393522660;nubbins`;seems so 535838;1393522669;mircea_popescu;ya they were 535839;1393522669;mircea_popescu;As alleged in the indictment, the defendants and their co-conspirators saturated Internet marketplace websites, such as eBay.com, Cars.com, AutoTrader.com, and CycleTrader.com, with detailed advertisements for cars, motorcycles, boats, and other high-value items generally priced in the $10,000 to $45,000 range. Unbeknownst to the buyers, however, the merchandise did not exist. The so-called sellers corresponded with th 535840;1393522669;mircea_popescu;e victim buyers by e-mail, sending fraudulent certificates of title and other information designed to lure the victims into parting with their money. Sometimes, they pretended to sell cars from non-existent auto dealerships in the United States and even created phony websites for these fictitious dealerships. 535841;1393522710;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.05844999 = 1.169 BTC [-] {8} 535842;1393522711;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.5499775 = 4.3998 BTC [+] {2} 535843;1393522742;nubbins`;anyway, point is that if the usa wants to extradite someone from a foreign country and provides even a tenuous reason for doing so, there's no reason to think said country won't comply 535844;1393522755;asciilifeform;so much for sovereignty? 535845;1393522760;nubbins`;hm, would the verb be "intradite" in that sense? is that even a word? 535846;1393522766;nubbins`;asciilifeform, what are you, new? 535847;1393522768;nubbins`;;( 535848;1393522768;mircea_popescu;it would seem successfully prosecuting fraudsters hardly amounts to much indication of your theory. 535849;1393522777;asciilifeform;although it is possible that Ro gave them up voluntarily 535850;1393522804;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well the hell would it have given them up involuntarily lol 535851;1393522807;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: they extradited a canadian national a couple of years ago who mailed marijuana seeds from canada to the usa 535852;1393522816;Duffer1;what circumstances would allow for an extradition 535853;1393522822;nubbins`;that's hardly even a crime here. previous record for harshest punishment was a $200 fine. 535854;1393522831;KRS-One;o7 sturles teh goxcoin billionaire 535855;1393522851;mircea_popescu;nubbins` that may be canada's problem 535856;1393522863;mircea_popescu;fraud is a crime in romania, this wasn't too hard to prove really 535857;1393522888;benkay;aight davout you got another? 535858;1393522895;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00500997 = 0.501 BTC [-] {4} 535859;1393522896;nubbins`;may be your problem soon enough 535860;1393522900;nubbins`;but like i said, all i do is opine and link :) 535861;1393522905;mircea_popescu;sure, why not. 535862;1393522917;mircea_popescu;i' 535863;1393522927;mircea_popescu;ve not been in a court for a while anyway, kinda getting to miss it. 535864;1393522939;nubbins`;gives you an excuse to wear a suit 535865;1393522942;nubbins`;;D 535866;1393522954;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.53915 = 3.2349 BTC [-] {2} 535867;1393522955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 94 @ 0.00493101 = 0.4635 BTC [-] {6} 535868;1393522970;mircea_popescu;and publicly humiliate people. 535869;1393522979;mircea_popescu;supposedly i'm good at that. 535870;1393523009;nubbins`;"your honor, the prosecution cannot bear the continued humiliation, and therefore withdraws all charges" 535871;1393523015;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.54998 = 1.6499 BTC [+] 535872;1393523040;mircea_popescu;now that'd suck. 535873;1393523059;mircea_popescu;you'd hope people stick with denial for the length of the exercise. 535874;1393523063;nubbins`;well yeah, nothing would get resolved! 535875;1393523080;mircea_popescu;"your honor, clearly we're winning by losing over here, wouldn't you agree" 535876;1393523089;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/RtCUqDy 535877;1393523089;ozbot;Woman in Scotland fills out the wrong form on TripAdvisor. Is now ranked 87 o 535878;1393523101;chatquack;Is https://bitbook.biz/ dead? :( 535879;1393523128;Duffer1;never heard of it 535880;1393523146;chatquack;...sports betting site... 535881;1393523151;chatquack;Was, anyway... 535882;1393523152;BingoBoingo;chatquack: Maybe, official story is prolongued DDoS, wouldn't be their first 535883;1393523160;chatquack;Ahhh ok! 535884;1393523169;mircea_popescu;anyway, the sec, just like any other us or non us, governmental or non governmental agency needs to get used to the idea that bitcoin is a thing, and they need to work with it. 535885;1393523173;chatquack;I wanted to see how that tennis match turned out. 535886;1393523180;mircea_popescu;not a negotiable thing. 535887;1393523199;BingoBoingo;chatquack: Not very confident in them going forward. 535888;1393523224;chatquack;That makes me a sad panda. 535889;1393523235;mircea_popescu;got a lot there ? 535890;1393523259;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 63 @ 0.00526587 = 0.3317 BTC [+] {6} 535891;1393523262;chatquack;Naw... Just a few cents 535892;1393523268;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caPnBs5TwD4 535893;1393523269;ozbot;Performance By Chesty La Rue and Chow Mein From Harlettes Monster Mash 7 - YouTube 535894;1393523275;mircea_popescu;amateurz/noobz/lulz 535895;1393523280;mircea_popescu;o and boobz. 535896;1393523282;chatquack;Ha! Monster mash 535897;1393523320;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 84 @ 0.0050076 = 0.4206 BTC [-] {3} 535898;1393523335;chatquack;Is she drinking gin? 535899;1393523367;mircea_popescu;water, proably. a more awkward thing i don't remember. 535900;1393523381;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54998 BTC [+] 535901;1393523383;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38507 @ 0.00086347 = 33.2496 BTC [-] {2} 535902;1393523383;chatquack;mmmmmm ta ta's 535903;1393523442;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 116 @ 0.00515335 = 0.5978 BTC [+] {6} 535904;1393523443;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.54999861 = 4.95 BTC [+] {4} 535905;1393523444;chatquack;oh, looks like a jager bottle 535906;1393523605;Duffer1;i look forward to the SEC comedy hour, have they set a date/time MP? 535907;1393523615;ThickAsThieves;so SEC probly pursuing Erik 535908;1393523633;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 next week sometime. 535909;1393523642;mircea_popescu;and i set the dates. 535910;1393523662;Duffer1;^.^ i hope i'm awake for it 535911;1393523666;kakobrekla;tat or MP, but we will see that if and when SEC joins the chan 535912;1393523678;Duffer1;why Erik though s.dice was sold 535913;1393523680;Apocalyptic;would definitely be popcorn time 535914;1393523695;nubbins`;ugh, someone was chewing bubble gum the other day and it reminded me of Jager bombs 535915;1393523697;nubbins`;almost threw up 535916;1393523714;chatquack;ugh 535917;1393523731;ThickAsThieves;maybe because/how/whether SDICE was sold 535918;1393523765;mircea_popescu;myeah. 535919;1393523786;kakobrekla;but the proceeds ended up on gox, so there. 535920;1393523789;Duffer1;did blockchain buy it or is that a partnership? 535921;1393523801;mircea_popescu;lol 535922;1393523804;Duffer1;ver has shilled for gox before.. 535923;1393523811;mircea_popescu;poor sec people tbh. 535924;1393523845;mircea_popescu;i imagine it's an insane fucking job right about now. in the same day their boss says btc is what mp says it is and some derp senator calls for its banning, 535925;1393523851;asciilifeform;incidentally, now might be a good time to learn that russian passport can (if certain laws currently under consideration pass) be had for about 300K usd. 535926;1393523860;mircea_popescu;before that some ny state guy is trying to get it licensed and the acct office said it can't, 535927;1393523893;mircea_popescu;now they're stuck somehow dealing with quite obvious fraud a la mtgox while somehow satisfying the demands of patently insane eastern european dudes with no interest in their internal problems 535928;1393523911;mircea_popescu;being a bureaucrat is all about following a fucking script, which is exactly antithetical to the situation they find themselves in. 535929;1393523923;dexX7;now is the time to tell. were you the unknown buyer of sd? ;) 535930;1393523932;mircea_popescu;nah. 535931;1393523943;mircea_popescu;what, that was actually a thing ? 535932;1393523944;dexX7;"nah i won't tell" or "nah, i was not"? 535933;1393523950;mircea_popescu;i'd have announced it if i was. 535934;1393523952;mircea_popescu;nah i was not. 535935;1393523966;Duffer1;that's part of my question yesterday, can there physically exist a bureaucracy capable of "regulating" bitcoin? 535936;1393523968;dexX7;well, tat came up with the idea initially, if i remember correctly 535937;1393523969;mircea_popescu;someone srsly thought i was ? 535938;1393523988;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 sure. the dutch managed to regulate dutch trade just fine 535939;1393523992;Duffer1;i can't imagine the amount of resources it would take 535940;1393523996;mircea_popescu;by delegating it to the people who knew wtf was going on. 535941;1393524021;Duffer1;but even then if the miners disagree with that group... 535942;1393524036;mircea_popescu;that group is predicated on the theory of "knowing wtf is going on" 535943;1393524042;mircea_popescu;miners can;t disagree with that. 535944;1393524052;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00528657 = 0.1163 BTC [+] {5} 535945;1393524053;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.00519014 = 0.3166 BTC [+] {2} 535946;1393524054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61537 @ 0.00086294 = 53.1027 BTC [-] {3} 535947;1393524094;ThickAsThieves;<dexX7> well, tat came up with the idea initially, if i remember correctly /// was a guess between me and Occam 535948;1393524107;ThickAsThieves;although Occam forgot to tell me an even more likely buyer was Erik 535949;1393524109;Duffer1;so are they going to offer you a job then MP? 535950;1393524131;mircea_popescu;how are they in the position to offer me a job ?! 535951;1393524139;diametric;haha some idiot bought USD$5,000 worth of Goxbtc yesterday morning 535952;1393524142;mircea_popescu;what do i get paid in, usg stock ? 535953;1393524148;ThickAsThieves;King of US 535954;1393524154;dexX7;as self proclaimed regulator of teh bitcoins 535955;1393524155;Duffer1;from their perspective they might believe they are i mean 535956;1393524156;mircea_popescu;but i dun wanna be king of us. 535957;1393524164;ThickAsThieves;Kinf of the Werld? 535958;1393524166;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 well sure but i never heard of this working 535959;1393524166;ThickAsThieves;g 535960;1393524180;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you know, if i wanted a larger harem i'd enlarge my harem. 535961;1393524195;ThickAsThieves;well you want somnthing 535962;1393524200;mircea_popescu;that's the catch lol 535963;1393524202;mircea_popescu;i don't. 535964;1393524212;ThickAsThieves;when'd your funeral? 535965;1393524219;mircea_popescu;hm ? 535966;1393524235;ThickAsThieves;lame joke, ignore 535967;1393524243;mircea_popescu;ya but what does it mean 535968;1393524253;ThickAsThieves;nothing to live for 535969;1393524256;ThickAsThieves;kill urself 535970;1393524259;ThickAsThieves;when is funeral 535971;1393524276;ThickAsThieves;you already beat the game 535972;1393524281;ThickAsThieves;now do hard mode 535973;1393524293;mircea_popescu;lol 535974;1393524297;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00529 = 0.291 BTC [+] 535975;1393524298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00086849 = 13.4616 BTC [+] {2} 535976;1393524304;mircea_popescu;what, people can live just fine after they maxlvl 535977;1393524313;mircea_popescu;just a lot moar zen. 535978;1393524358;mircea_popescu;but anyway, speaking of glbse, did they extradite mccarthy guy yet ? 535979;1393524367;mircea_popescu;cause that's a trial i'd actually like to see 535980;1393524378;mircea_popescu;"your honor, may i just say derp" 535981;1393524389;ThickAsThieves;no fun hunting dudes out of the spotlight 535982;1393524402;ThickAsThieves;they are headhunting bitcoin jesuses first 535983;1393524425;mircea_popescu;oic. 535984;1393524481;ThickAsThieves;maybe a bitbet "Bitcoin Apostles Sacrificed" At least 12 Bitcoin Talking Heads Get Charged in 2014 535985;1393524516;Duffer1;SEC if you're here there's a guy named Ken Slaughter operating somewhere in the U.S. midwest in desperate need of your attentions 535986;1393524534;asciilifeform;wake me up for the televised impalements. 535987;1393524542;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1035 BTC [-] 535988;1393524543;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02056011 = 0.2056 BTC [-] {7} 535989;1393524591;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 yes, the irony of the situation is that really, there's a lot of work to do 535990;1393524599;Duffer1;indeed 535991;1393524603;mircea_popescu;not like ima send czech vixens to pick up the slaughters or w/e 535992;1393524654;mircea_popescu;and im sure mpoe-pr would love nothing more than the equivalent of civ's "our words are backed by nuclear weapons" pasted in her sigline 535993;1393524671;asciilifeform;lol 535994;1393524714;mircea_popescu;so it doesn't *have* to be all enmitous and shit. 535995;1393524795;Duffer1;I wonder if they need a consultant, I accept bitcoin 535996;1393524800;Duffer1;and lambos 535997;1393524833;ThickAsThieves;theyll have lambos to unload after they get through all the exchanges i guess 535998;1393524906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54150 @ 0.00086904 = 47.0585 BTC [+] {3} 535999;1393524920;Duffer1;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=490781.0 536000;1393524921;ozbot;Mircea Popescu aka Crumbs & others 536001;1393524959;nubbins`;i guess he wrote that in a text editor and then pasted it, hey? 536002;1393525055;diametric;more of this guy 536003;1393525067;diametric;we should try to convince him we're all popescu 536004;1393525080;diametric;this channel is nothing but popescu, all day, errday. 536005;1393525087;mircea_popescu;it isn't ? 536006;1393525089;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+] 536007;1393525090;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00492006 = 0.1476 BTC [-] 536008;1393525103;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=490781.msg5409053#msg5409053 536009;1393525105;mircea_popescu;lmao 536010;1393525105;ozbot;Mircea Popescu aka Crumbs & others 536011;1393525116;mircea_popescu;for they too young to get the reference : rarity was a notorious troll in 2011 536012;1393525140;mircea_popescu;also happened to be either posing as or actually an underage fellow 536013;1393525150;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00492005 = 0.492 BTC [-] {6} 536014;1393525154;mircea_popescu;ended up publishing really dubious pms from i forget who the fuck 536015;1393525174;mircea_popescu;but this was just at the peak of bruce wagner's thai prostitution stuff 536016;1393525187;mircea_popescu;am i the only one here old enough to remember all this ancient history ? 536017;1393525243;Duffer1;sorry i've only been around since july ish 536018;1393525265;mircea_popescu;this is 2010-2011 stuffd 536019;1393525277;mircea_popescu;so there was this guy by the name of bruce wagner, the original bitcoin jesus. 536020;1393525290;mircea_popescu;he was a bit of a pedo, and ran his own tv show out of some ny studio 536021;1393525295;mircea_popescu;studio as in, apartment. 536022;1393525304;mircea_popescu;together with his mentally retarded boyfriend 536023;1393525316;mircea_popescu;mentally retarded to the degree he filmed entire episodes of their show with the camera in demo mode 536024;1393525332;mircea_popescu;just in case you ever wondered how bitcoin got the early reputation of being a toy for the tards. 536025;1393525342;mircea_popescu;that show was called the bitcoin show. 536026;1393525355;mircea_popescu;and the original bitcoin jesus recommended quite strongly a wallet service called mybitcoin 536027;1393525362;mircea_popescu;which ran off with whatever, 500k btc ? something. 536028;1393525376;mircea_popescu;http://buttcoin.org/the-fucked-up-people-of-bitcoin-and-bruce-wagners-predictable-thoughts-on-rape 536029;1393525377;ozbot;The fucked up people of bitcoin and Bruce Wagner's (predictable) thoughts on rape. - Buttcoin - The 536030;1393525390;mircea_popescu;butccoin is actually a good entry point for that old drama. 536031;1393525396;asciilifeform;so, where's that coin now? 536032;1393525405;mircea_popescu;well... possibly in thailand. 536033;1393525408;asciilifeform;if unspent, sort of speaks against the 'no such thing as taint' hypothesis 536034;1393525417;kakobrekla;it ended up on gox 536035;1393525418;mircea_popescu;the most sordid part of all of it being that the guy wanted to organise bitcoin's first conference in thailand 536036;1393525425;mircea_popescu;because child prostitutes are cheap there 536037;1393525445;mircea_popescu;it was later unearthed he had an entire opus written about being a gay whore and whatnot. 536038;1393525451;mircea_popescu;obviously nobody went, but still. 536039;1393525473;kakobrekla;yes that show was as terrible as it gets, sponsored by mtgox. 536040;1393525485;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla it WAS sponsored by mtgox wasn't it 536041;1393525489;kakobrekla;yes 536042;1393525495;mircea_popescu;yeah it's now coming back to me 536043;1393525554;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVabnqRj_8I << sample. 536044;1393525554;ozbot;The Bitcoin Show - Episode 012 - YouTube 536045;1393525589;mircea_popescu;anyway, this was somehow related to getting some poor schmucks to take bitcoin for their grill in new york 536046;1393525593;mircea_popescu;the shop went under. 536047;1393525613;mircea_popescu;it also is related to gmaxwell's fat girlfriend breaking a segway or was it amir taaki that broke the segway or what the fuck was that 536048;1393525654;kakobrekla;aha tradehill also sponsored them 536049;1393525662;kakobrekla;at least the linked ep. 536050;1393525696;kakobrekla;i guess gox gave up by ep 12 536051;1393525715;asciilifeform;reminds me of an incident, many years ago, when i snarfed what what supposed to be a warez copy of a text on the programming language 'ruby'. turned out to be renamed 'ruby.avi', a cheap porn, entitled 'Ruby Breaks her Sybian.' 536052;1393525731;mircea_popescu;carpevm ahahaha 536053;1393525755;mircea_popescu;jesus fuckwit cant even use his butterfly mic 536054;1393525784;mircea_popescu;mezegrill that was it yea 536055;1393525822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00086263 = 26.9141 BTC [-] {2} 536056;1393525838;kakobrekla;o fuck me 536057;1393525846;mircea_popescu;noty 536058;1393525852;kakobrekla;i checked ep 1, no gox, ep 31, gox is sponsor 536059;1393525863;mircea_popescu;lol true professionals, tradehill. 536060;1393525871;kakobrekla;they sponsored him after they saw how shitty it is. 536061;1393525873;mircea_popescu;ahh such a lol this pseudocurrency thing 536062;1393525882;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1035 = 0.414 BTC [-] 536063;1393525885;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla they figured... hey, perfect fit 536064;1393525889;kakobrekla;:D 536065;1393526004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00086262 = 15.7428 BTC [-] 536066;1393526095;benkay;retail shops only start taking bitcoin when they're already circling the drain. 536067;1393526109;benkay;same story with the local 'bitcoin meetup' and its location. 536068;1393526133;nubbins`;KofC? 536069;1393526155;benkay;nubbins`: wat 536070;1393526194;mircea_popescu;benkay this is possible an explanation for the grill thing's fate sure 536071;1393526207;nubbins`;knights of columbus 536072;1393526214;mircea_popescu;2,111 views check that shit out. 536073;1393526215;nubbins`;like the legion, but different somehow 536074;1393526229;mircea_popescu;anyway, this guy is sort-of like what max keiser aspires to be 536075;1393526420;mircea_popescu;"Bitcoin's scam based economy runs on 15-35 year old white men who are very very upset about... The fed? Government regulation? Their crippling inability to purchase mercenary divisions to conquer small countries?" 536076;1393526421;mircea_popescu;ahaha 536077;1393526438;mircea_popescu;i kinda miss the old days 536078;1393526509;mircea_popescu;yayaya! 536079;1393526514;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla check it out : http://onlyonetv.com/ 536080;1393526522;mircea_popescu;their last show is the shtylman show! 536081;1393526530;kakobrekla;o roman 536082;1393526535;ThickAsThieves;REMINDER: AM1, AM100, and the SMG passthrough will all be controlled by Havelock by March 1st, 2014. The underlying ASICMINER shares are already in the process of being transferred to 1J5fvfUrDcZj8rrpVHMgn8u7sXee84QkPd --- AMFund@havelockinvestments.com --- All AM1,AM100, and SMG(PT) transfer requests and related support requests should be sent to the Havelock from now on. 536083;1393526544;mircea_popescu;(for the people joining us late, shtylman was some geek who created the bitfloor disaster) 536084;1393526547;mircea_popescu;worth a read. 536085;1393526562;nubbins`;so a friend of mine works at a pharmacy 536086;1393526569;nubbins`;there's a big shortage of ritalin in canada right now 536087;1393526597;nubbins`;friend says work is "interesting" these days 536088;1393526615;mircea_popescu;aha ? 536089;1393526655;nubbins`;lots of strung-out freaks causing trouble 536090;1393526675;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00504999 = 0.1313 BTC [+] 536091;1393526676;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 900 @ 0.00018494 = 0.1664 BTC [-] {4} 536092;1393526682;nubbins`;apparently certain brands are better than others for snorting 536093;1393526691;mircea_popescu;people use ritalin as cocaine /> 536094;1393526713;nubbins`;yyyyyyyup. 536095;1393526719;mircea_popescu;but... why 536096;1393526729;mircea_popescu;"Due to the real identity of these troll accounts belonging to Mircea Popescu and how close he believes himself to be to the higher echelons of Bitcoin including the Mods/Admins of this forum, i don't believe this post to last long." 536097;1393526745;mircea_popescu;ok, did i snort too much or is this a little... strange ? 536098;1393526768;mircea_popescu;is the theory therein contemplated that the post won't last long because of how close I BELIEVE myself to the higher echelons blabla ? 536099;1393526771;nubbins`;guy definitely thinks monsters lurk in the shadows 536100;1393526781;nubbins`;regarding the "why" of snorting rits, it's because they're cheap as fuck 536101;1393526785;mircea_popescu;but i mean... either i believe myself in which case the post is unmolested 536102;1393526792;mircea_popescu;or else i actually am in which case the post won't last long 536103;1393526795;ThickAsThieves;he thinks youre thermos too 536104;1393526809;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves maybe he thinks i believe i'm thermos. 536105;1393526818;nubbins`;ritalin is one of the most abused prescription drugs in north america 536106;1393526832;mircea_popescu;nubbins` but it doesn't do anything 536107;1393526837;nubbins`;...? 536108;1393526841;mircea_popescu;what the fuck does it do ? 536109;1393526851;nubbins`;it lights you up like a fucking christmas tree. 536110;1393526863;mircea_popescu;isn't it a depressant / 536111;1393526869;nubbins`;no, it's a stimulant 536112;1393526879;mircea_popescu;wh ythe fuck do they give aggitated kids stimulants ?! 536113;1393526890;nubbins`;calms kids down because it stimulates the part of their brain that makes them sit still 536114;1393526895;ThickAsThieves;it's how they do 536115;1393526901;ThickAsThieves;give hyper kids cocaine 536116;1393526910;nubbins`;when you snort it, tho, it makes lasers shoot out your eyes 536117;1393526910;mircea_popescu;uh 536118;1393526919;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.00500104 = 0.3101 BTC [-] {3} 536119;1393526935;nubbins`;well. i should say, it stimulates the part of their brain that makes them pay attention 536120;1393526945;mircea_popescu;o i c it's a substitute phenethylamine 536121;1393526951;nubbins`;nod 536122;1393526961;asciilifeform;https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/vw3d/vw3d.cgi?cmd=crtvw&reqid=1775455900212504529 536123;1393526962;ozbot;CID 4158 Conformer 536124;1393526966;asciilifeform;vs 536125;1393526966;asciilifeform;https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/vw3d/vw3d.cgi?cmd=status&reqid=92713312008789119 536126;1393526980;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00500104 = 0.2 BTC [-] 536127;1393527007;mircea_popescu;so basically this is the gist of my anti-drug argument. 536128;1393527037;asciilifeform;just about any fast-acting dopamine reuptake inhibitor can substitute for cocaine 536129;1393527039;mircea_popescu;i see they want to give it to everyone. good for criminals, good for students, good to go. 536130;1393527070;mircea_popescu;basically... if you can you must. the us will include ritalin in water if it doesn't fucking collapse first. 536131;1393527089;ThickAsThieves;oh snap! 536132;1393527090;ThickAsThieves;http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/27/yellen-on-bitcoin-fed-doesnt-have-authority-to-regulate-it-in-any-way/ 536133;1393527091;ozbot;Yellen on Bitcoin: Fed Doesn’t Have Authority to Regulate It in Any Way - MoneyBeat - WSJ 536134;1393527103;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.058202 = 0.1164 BTC [-] 536135;1393527104;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1300 @ 0.005001 = 6.5013 BTC [-] 536136;1393527108;mircea_popescu;"Animal tests found that rats given methylphenidate grew up to be more stressed and emotional. " 536137;1393527109;mircea_popescu;perfect. 536138;1393527115;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves we were discussing it earlier :D 536139;1393527121;ThickAsThieves;oh sorry 536140;1393527123;nubbins`;certain brands of ritalin are apparently better for snorting than others; the tell-tale sign of abuse is when a customer at the pharmacy asks what brand of ritalin they carry 536141;1393527135;ThickAsThieves;htought there's be more hype 536142;1393527138;nubbins`;occasionally, but not often, it's accompanied by a story about how such-and-such a brand gives them a rash, etc 536143;1393527141;asciilifeform;somebody teach these folks to dissolve & recrystallize. 536144;1393527144;ThickAsThieves;fuck is wrong with my brain 536145;1393527152;ThickAsThieves;i type like i have wires crossed 536146;1393527159;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves try ritalin 536147;1393527163;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 45 @ 0.51493367 = 23.172 BTC [-] {14} 536148;1393527164;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform too much like work. 536149;1393527178;mircea_popescu;wait wait, "I have been paid by a member of this board and high value shareholder within the NeoBee security." 536150;1393527184;nubbins`;^ lel 536151;1393527187;nubbins`;ikr? 536152;1393527196;ThickAsThieves;it wasnt me! 536153;1393527200;mircea_popescu;lmao 536154;1393527208;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves well then that's everyone. 536155;1393527209;asciilifeform;phun phact: in the late '80s-early '90s, ussr had a meth problem - but most of the users brewed their own 536156;1393527213;nubbins`;smear campaign from topace 536157;1393527214;asciilifeform;because people had actual education 536158;1393527214;nubbins`;;p 536159;1393527224;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 176 @ 0.00057298 = 0.1008 BTC [+] 536160;1393527227;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform now the ussr has a krakadil problem 536161;1393527231;ThickAsThieves;how do you put a shareholder in a security anyway? 536162;1393527231;mircea_popescu;because they don't. 536163;1393527237;nubbins`;mp, +1 536164;1393527262;nubbins`;what this boils down to is that a well-educated populace is a populace that abuses high quality drugs 536165;1393527277;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: famous autobio. take on the subject, 'Низший Пилотаж' (http://lib.ru/ZHURNAL/pilotazh.txt) 536166;1393527287;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.058202 = 0.1164 BTC [-] 536167;1393527309;asciilifeform;'Lowest Pilotage' (pun on russian expression 'highest pilotage', meaning a trick performed by a true master of some craft) 536168;1393527350;mircea_popescu;i think i was at some performance of this thing 536169;1393527366;asciilifeform;performance?! 536170;1393527372;mircea_popescu;yaya. 536171;1393527378;mircea_popescu;this was like fashionable for a summer cca 2003 536172;1393527381;mircea_popescu;in romania 536173;1393527394;mircea_popescu;you know how middle class bitches get 536174;1393527398;mircea_popescu;all cultural and whatnot. 536175;1393527431;asciilifeform;cultural!? 536176;1393527434;asciilifeform;woah 536177;1393527441;mircea_popescu;totally. 536178;1393527477;BingoBoingo;http://www.theangrypharmacist.com/archives/2014/02/purpocylpse.html 536179;1393527478;ozbot;The Angry Pharmacist » Blog Archive » Purpocylpse 536180;1393527529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00086663 = 17.3326 BTC [+] 536181;1393527529;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.005 = 0.125 BTC [-] {2} 536182;1393527590;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 247 @ 0.00500103 = 1.2353 BTC [+] {2} 536183;1393527619;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: interesting 'cattle management' perspective there. 536184;1393527651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00086866 = 24.6699 BTC [+] 536185;1393527687;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Indeed. However now will the ratchets get their crunk on. 536186;1393527703;ThickAsThieves;who's fawn in here moiety? 536187;1393527722;Duffer1;he talks like mircea 536188;1393527802;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/11/the_terrible_awful_truth_about_1.html 536189;1393527803;ozbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The Terrible, Awful Truth About Supplemental Security Income 536190;1393527812;mircea_popescu;probably worth a read since we're on it 536191;1393527842;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves moiety is some scottish chick. what fawn ? 536192;1393527882;ThickAsThieves;i could swear i saw her handle switch from Fawn once 536193;1393527891;ThickAsThieves;but my brain is glitchy 536194;1393527913;Duffer1;"This is why you can't have nice things. Ever." maybe PR? lol 536195;1393527916;ThickAsThieves;fawn is someone posting lately in threads relevent to us 536196;1393527934;mircea_popescu;what is this sorcery 536197;1393527964;ThickAsThieves;thats what i'm trying to suss 536198;1393527977;Duffer1;the person you linked with the Rarities ref 536199;1393527997;BingoBoingo;http://www.theangrypharmacist.com/archives/2013/10/somabots-transform.html 536200;1393527998;ozbot;The Angry Pharmacist » Blog Archive » SOMABOTS, TRANSFORM 536201;1393528019;mircea_popescu;Prometh with Codeine will no longer taste like ghettofab syrupy purple, it will taste like how all cough syrups should taste, like goat anus. They arent meant to fucking mix with Sprite and enjoyed after a long night of fucking your bitches and collecting taxpayer-funded benefits; they are meant to be choked down because youll do anything to get rid of that fucking cough. 536202;1393528020;mircea_popescu;loller 536203;1393528046;ThickAsThieves;dick 536204;1393528126;mircea_popescu;it is what it is, innit ? 536205;1393528139;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 321 @ 0.005 = 1.605 BTC [-] 536206;1393528206;nubbins`;it's true, cough syrups should taste like goat anus 536207;1393528209;ThickAsThieves;i just realized something awesome, next week i will never have to read the Asicminer threads again 536208;1393528269;nubbins`;phun phact: DXM is just as effective in pill form as it is in syrup form, and pills don't taste like goat anus; syrups are popular because people feel that having their throat coated with the shit means it works better 536209;1393528296;mircea_popescu;"One of these is Soma. The drug we all know and love. The other is a drug called Meprobamate also known as Miltown/Equanil for those of you who are close to retiring. See a similarity? Are you old guys out there chuckling? " 536210;1393528307;mircea_popescu;actually...that's what my mother got when she had ulcers in her 30s 536211;1393528317;mircea_popescu;it actually cured her. 536212;1393528403;thestringpuller;lol bitcoin-assets on sizzurp 536213;1393528417;thestringpuller;benkay got dat drink in his cup 536214;1393528633;ThickAsThieves;anyone can help me with syntax for pympex to transfer shares? 536215;1393528698;mircea_popescu;PUSH|X.YZ|123GPGKEY|100 536216;1393528728;ThickAsThieves;thx 536217;1393528810;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 371 @ 0.005 = 1.855 BTC [-] {2} 536218;1393528857;ThickAsThieves;nope 536219;1393528875;ThickAsThieves;unknown coman 'oush' 536220;1393528878;ThickAsThieves;push 536221;1393528932;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.005 = 0.125 BTC [-] 536222;1393529017;ThickAsThieves;hmm i see a 'plain' command for sending strings as is 536223;1393529054;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00500102 = 0.2 BTC [+] {2} 536224;1393529116;nubbins`;better test it first ;D 536225;1393529145;ThickAsThieves;didnt work 536226;1393529156;ThickAsThieves;i'll get my friend to help i guess 536227;1393529237;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00501 = 2.004 BTC [+] 536228;1393529298;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00501 = 0.1002 BTC [+] 536229;1393529370;jurov;ThickAsThieves: it should be uppercase 536230;1393529385;ThickAsThieves;nope 536231;1393529392;ThickAsThieves;mpex PUSH 536232;1393529404;ThickAsThieves;uknown command 536233;1393529446;jurov;can you show whole commandline (with redacted data if needed) 536234;1393529449;jurov;? 536235;1393529592;ThickAsThieves;normally the syntax is such 536236;1393529595;ThickAsThieves;mpex stat 536237;1393529608;ThickAsThieves;mpex withdraw addy amount 536238;1393529610;ThickAsThieves;etc 536239;1393529619;ThickAsThieves;just spaces between parameters 536240;1393529623;jurov;NOPE 536241;1393529634;ThickAsThieves;maybe i'm not using pympex? 536242;1393529656;ThickAsThieves;it's a linux console 536243;1393529664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40515 @ 0.00086179 = 34.9154 BTC [-] {3} 536244;1393529664;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC 536245;1393529665;ThickAsThieves;my partner set up for me 536246;1393529681;ThickAsThieves;"To change default settings edit ~/.mpex/config.yaml" 536247;1393529697;jurov;ah that isn't pympex 536248;1393529720;ThickAsThieves;someone here made it 536249;1393529721;jurov;did you try passing 'PUSH|X.YZ|123GPGKEY|100' as parameter ? 536250;1393529727;ThickAsThieves;i forget who 536251;1393529731;ThickAsThieves;i did 536252;1393529738;jurov;note the quotes, wont work without 536253;1393529740;mircea_popescu;this has been quite customer-support-y so far. 536254;1393529745;mircea_popescu;have you tried turning it off and on again ? 536255;1393529749;ThickAsThieves;hehe 536256;1393529759;ThickAsThieves;the commands i normally use work fine 536257;1393529765;ThickAsThieves;just never did a xfer before 536258;1393529770;mircea_popescu;maybe your thing doesn't have push implemented ? 536259;1393529778;ThickAsThieves;looks that way 536260;1393529794;jurov;maybe they have high sekurity and it's not allowed 536261;1393529805;mircea_popescu;i could see a case for disabling push 536262;1393529819;mircea_popescu;for a specialist implementation 536263;1393529847;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00501 = 0.2004 BTC [-] 536264;1393529906;cads;I wish I had access to shapeways' production statistics 536265;1393529917;cads;I can't imagine this part will have sold much: https://www.shapeways.com/model/1496035/doge.html?li=productGroup&materialId=26 536266;1393529969;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.005 = 0.7 BTC [-] 536267;1393529971;ThickAsThieves;http://www.shapeways.com/model/1567569/banana-doge.html?li=related-items-ext&materialId=26 536268;1393529972;ozbot;Banana Doge by kspaho on Shapeways 536269;1393529983;ThickAsThieves;dildoge 536270;1393529992;Duffer1;http://www.businessinsider.com/yellen-on-bitcoin-2014-2 536271;1393529993;ozbot;Yellen On Bitcoin - Business Insider 536272;1393530002;Duffer1;dexX7 ^ 536273;1393530017;ThickAsThieves;yer even later than me 536274;1393530038;mircea_popescu;lol the later festival. 536275;1393530152;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.005 = 0.22 BTC [-] 536276;1393530186;dexX7;well done @ yellen hearing 536277;1393530213;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.16230094 = 1.2984 BTC [-] 536278;1393530219;dexX7;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui7VDnU99fg oh wow ... lol 536279;1393530219;ozbot;Banana Doge 3D-Print - YouTube 536280;1393530958;greenspan_fan;hey are we talking about command line programming 536281;1393530977;greenspan_fan;here's a great way to solve version control problems 536282;1393530988;greenspan_fan;git add -A;git commit -m "YOLO"; git push origin master --force 536283;1393531091;mircea_popescu;this is all proprietary finance shit 536284;1393531103;mircea_popescu;it never saw the inside of a git 536285;1393531114;greenspan_fan;you don't use version control? 536286;1393531134;greenspan_fan;also I'm kidding, the above kinda defeats the purpose of git 536287;1393531181;mircea_popescu;not me, it's his thing 536288;1393531246;greenspan_fan;looks like pympex is open source? It's on github, if that's the right one 536289;1393531250;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 692 @ 0.0005149 = 0.3563 BTC [-] {9} 536290;1393531251;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.005 = 0.51 BTC [-] 536291;1393531252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6235 @ 0.00086051 = 5.3653 BTC [-] 536292;1393531264;mircea_popescu;i thought we just established it ain't. 536293;1393531315;mircea_popescu;I'm guessing that this probably upsets people, on both sides of an imaginary political divide that only took 40 years to perfect. Thanks TV! Certainly I have my own opinions, but it doesn't matter what I think, what matters is what is. This is the system. If you think you can effect a huge social overhaul then feel free to vote for Hope And Change and ongoing Afghanistan deployments, otherwise understand how it 536294;1393531315;mircea_popescu;works before you spew nonsense to your local Fox affiliate. "Hi, this is Bill from Cleveland, and I blame liberals." Son of a bitch, why didn't I think of that. 536295;1393531315;mircea_popescu;The system not only pays poor people, it employs lots and lots of almost poor people. I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, I am simply stating a fact. Some of these are direct government jobs (e.g. staff down at the SSI office) and some are pretend private sector jobs. If you're a psychiatrist at an inner city clinic, you may think you're an independent contractor, but you're really working for Th 536296;1393531319;mircea_popescu;e Man (but with no pension.) That's the system. Cut SSI payments and those docs-- and nurses and etc-- don't get paid. 536297;1393531322;mircea_popescu;ok i love this article/author. 536298;1393531343;asciilifeform;last psych? 536299;1393531347;asciilifeform;this one's a classic 536300;1393531372;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 67 @ 0.00529 = 0.3544 BTC [+] 536301;1393531397;mircea_popescu;indeed. 536302;1393531408;greenspan_fan;kinda disturbed to find out all of you read TLP as well... 536303;1393531421;mircea_popescu;i actually translated it in romanian cca 2011 so as to equip teh countrymen with t\he tool 536304;1393531430;mircea_popescu;course with or without that the system's movin' that way 536305;1393531434;asciilifeform;incidentally, if you apply the principle described above, the u.s. economy is far more 'sovietized' than the soviet one ever was 536306;1393531443;mircea_popescu;this is true, but unindicative. 536307;1393531459;mircea_popescu;the road was a lot wetter during rain than during drought, too. 536308;1393531467;greenspan_fan;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/10/you_are_the_98.html 536309;1393531468;ozbot;The Last Psychiatrist: You Are The 98% 536310;1393531477;greenspan_fan;my favourite one 536311;1393531478;mircea_popescu;soviets couldn't have fucking done it for lack of you know, tv. internet. roads. stuff. 536312;1393531495;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan you know what this has a lot in common with ? 536313;1393531497;mircea_popescu;early bbs. 536314;1393531513;mircea_popescu;people suddenly discovering that joe=from-across-the-country also read hitchhiker's 536315;1393531519;mircea_popescu;and also heard of chtulhu 536316;1393531525;mircea_popescu;fancy that! 536317;1393531531;greenspan_fan;that's garbage stuff though 536318;1393531547;mircea_popescu;culture is garbage. 536319;1393531551;greenspan_fan;no one reads anymore, and yet here you all are 536320;1393531555;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10459 BTC [+] 536321;1393531604;greenspan_fan;like, everyone here is more or less interested (and able to understand) all of the great stuff in the world 536322;1393531611;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun 536323;1393531616;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1046 = 0.4184 BTC [+] 536324;1393531620;greenspan_fan;it's blowing my mind, bro 536325;1393531626;mircea_popescu;"The government allows it because someone has to deal with those "patients." The government doesn't any other options. " 536326;1393531645;greenspan_fan;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/07/my_name_is_michael_bay_and_i_j.html 536327;1393531646;ozbot;The Last Psychiatrist: My name is NotMichaelBay, and I just fucked your girlfriend 536328;1393531664;greenspan_fan;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2009/08/district_9.html 536329;1393531665;ozbot;The Last Psychiatrist: District 9 536330;1393531677;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00529 = 0.3227 BTC [+] 536331;1393531691;greenspan_fan;on the off chance you haven't read those particular ones 536332;1393531722;greenspan_fan;"So I decided to try again, I told myself that there was going to be porn at the end of it, took off my pants, and watched. No, I didn't go back to the theatre; fortunately, the major studios have joined together and created a website called "The Pirate Bay" which allows you to watch a movie for free before you decide if you want to buy it from Amazon for 4 bucks" 536333;1393531799;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54999989 BTC [+] 536334;1393531800;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.005 = 2 BTC [-] 536335;1393531861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.54999989 = 1.65 BTC [+] 536336;1393531921;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.005 = 0.325 BTC [-] 536337;1393532287;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.54999993 = 8.25 BTC [+] {2} 536338;1393532348;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.005 = 0.25 BTC [-] 536339;1393532349;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11730497 BTC [+] 536340;1393532383;mircea_popescu;"Marching gets our message out." No it doesn't, it gets CNN's message out. "We don't watch CNN, we use the internet." Yet given the infinity of the internet you still surf the same 5 websites, looking for and finding exactly what you want, like a baby playing peekaboo in a mirror over and over and over and over and over and over and... 536341;1393532384;mircea_popescu;ejhehe 536342;1393532395;mircea_popescu;You are the 98%, you are totally without any access to the machinery of power and worse, much worse, you plug yourselves into the machinery of media and become a slave. 536343;1393532413;mircea_popescu;see, many aspire to be a bitcoin jesus, but this guy actually has enough insight. 536344;1393532437;greenspan_fan;"you are the 98%, and you are too slow" 536345;1393532454;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: herr handle and some others insist that TLP is a woman. 536346;1393532513;greenspan_fan;you can either have the most money or you can have the loudest megaphone, but if you don't have one one of those then it doesn't matter what you think 536347;1393532531;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 149 @ 0.005 = 0.745 BTC [-] 536348;1393532621;greenspan_fan;what's interesting (and Taleb hits on this as well) is that people are generally really poor at evaluating power-law types of extremes 536349;1393532639;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it may be the case. 536350;1393532645;mircea_popescu;any basis offered ? 536351;1393532676;asciilifeform;wish i could remember 536352;1393532676;greenspan_fan;so for instance in bitcoin (and other currency) you can look to r/bitcoin for a community that is generally really homogeneous and has strong beliefs one way or the other 536353;1393532703;greenspan_fan;but it's irrelevant because most of the money isn't in the hands of those people 536354;1393532715;asciilifeform;personally i suspect that TLP is a bourbaki. 536355;1393532723;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan nor is any megaphone. 536356;1393532725;greenspan_fan;the writing style's too consistent 536357;1393532765;mircea_popescu;that's not necessarily an argument. 536358;1393532775;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu well the very top opinion leaders have *some* power, but the average is in that 98% 536359;1393532789;asciilifeform;for all i care, tlp is a martian. 536360;1393532801;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan what ? 536361;1393532883;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu because if the self-appointed "bitcoin community" listens to you (even if they're on average <0.1 btc holders) then you might either get lucky and a) influence someone who actually matters or b) the huddled masses still might add up to something 536362;1393532897;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.0053 = 0.2756 BTC [+] {3} 536363;1393532898;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+] 536364;1393532900;greenspan_fan;c.f. alinsky's rules for radicals 536365;1393532938;mircea_popescu;the huddled masses add up to something ? why and wherefore ? 536366;1393532977;mircea_popescu;do you mean add up to something in terms of resources, like a lot of coal or plankton adds up to something more than less coal or plankton ? 536367;1393532985;mircea_popescu;or do you mean in terms of agency ? 536368;1393533036;Duffer1;be both - soylent green 536369;1393533111;greenspan_fan;yeah, in terms of resources, not in terms of agency 536370;1393533123;greenspan_fan;because you wouldn't be part of that mass if you had real agency 536371;1393533129;mircea_popescu;well in terms of resources who te fuck cares. 536372;1393533137;greenspan_fan;"Everyone who gives himself a master was born to have one" 536373;1393533140;mircea_popescu;if i don't find the coal over here i'll find it over there 536374;1393533147;mircea_popescu;that's what the fucking coal finder machine is for : it finds coal. 536375;1393533186;mircea_popescu;the coal mined is not a stakeholder in the coal mine. 536376;1393533193;greenspan_fan;yeah but I mean, people are more effective than that 536377;1393533203;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55899999 = 1.118 BTC [+] {2} 536378;1393533204;greenspan_fan;they can be put to different efforts 536379;1393533211;mircea_popescu;are you going to try and resurect an argument as to agency underneath there ? 536380;1393533215;asciilifeform;if coal knew how to talk! 536381;1393533216;greenspan_fan;nope 536382;1393533216;mircea_popescu;what's this, trojan arguing ? 536383;1393533228;mircea_popescu;if no agency, then no efficiency. 536384;1393533263;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.559 BTC [+] 536385;1393533268;greenspan_fan;just saying that if you have 1000 average people who listen to you, but no money, you'd still be able to run a business or take over a small county with them 536386;1393533283;mircea_popescu;yeah, it totally worked for mtgox 536387;1393533285;mircea_popescu;and for bitfloor 536388;1393533288;mircea_popescu;and for glbse 536389;1393533289;mircea_popescu;and etc 536390;1393533300;greenspan_fan;well I mean agency in the "standing athwart the bow of history" levels of agency 536391;1393533309;greenspan_fan;the problem with those places is they were run by idiots 536392;1393533312;mircea_popescu;"agency" is a term of art. 536393;1393533324;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56 BTC [+] 536394;1393533326;mircea_popescu;well... apparently the coal didn't rescue them. 536395;1393533357;greenspan_fan;like presumably you're able to gauge the relative strengths and weaknesses of the people who work for you, right? 536396;1393533375;mircea_popescu;i don't employ idiots. 536397;1393533381;greenspan_fan;still 536398;1393533385;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.56 = 2.24 BTC [+] 536399;1393533386;mircea_popescu;no still. i really don't. 536400;1393533412;greenspan_fan;so you're saying that everyone who works for you is universally equally good at everything 536401;1393533424;mircea_popescu;no, but they are capable of making their own fucking judgements. 536402;1393533438;greenspan_fan;yeah, I'm not saying everyone should be an automaton 536403;1393533455;mircea_popescu;you are, yes. 536404;1393533480;mircea_popescu;"if you have 1000 average people [...] take over a small county " 536405;1393533485;mircea_popescu;this isnt starcraft. 536406;1393533508;greenspan_fan;look at the history of the world 536407;1393533516;mircea_popescu;ok. 536408;1393533520;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m79o09GAwT1qci6pfo1_500.jpg 536409;1393533528;greenspan_fan;how many revolutions were launched because 1000 people agreed with the analysis of someone else? 536410;1393533532;mircea_popescu;none. 536411;1393533545;greenspan_fan;that seems like an insane position to take 536412;1393533551;mircea_popescu;but plenty of retellings of history of the world in english have been predicated on the cognitive device you describe. 536413;1393533569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00086624 = 2.4255 BTC [+] 536414;1393533577;greenspan_fan;it's true, I've only read books on history in english 536415;1393533579;mircea_popescu;just because i use some matrices to describe eigenstates does not mean matrices are now integral parts of quantum mechanbics. 536416;1393533596;mircea_popescu;in fact, matrices aren't even there. and besides they could never be small enough to fit. 536417;1393533601;greenspan_fan;weren't you arguing the other day that they're still there regardless? 536418;1393533608;mircea_popescu;who they 536419;1393533619;greenspan_fan;the matrices, as a form of description 536420;1393533628;mircea_popescu;sure, but a different "there" 536421;1393533690;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.005 = 0.5 BTC [-] 536422;1393533692;greenspan_fan;so what I'm saying is that having 1000 people who listened to leaders was a necessary (but not sufficient) condition to launch some revolutions 536423;1393533700;mircea_popescu;the entire view is broken. 536424;1393533705;greenspan_fan;how so? 536425;1393533713;mircea_popescu;pretty much every which way. 536426;1393533729;greenspan_fan;tell me, and I'll strive to correct it, insofar as such is possible 536427;1393533736;mircea_popescu;for instance, there are people right here working for me as we speak and probably reading this. i have no fucking idea where their working for me is going, 536428;1393533739;mircea_popescu;and i don't particularly care. 536429;1393533744;mircea_popescu;wherever it ends up youl 536430;1393533750;mircea_popescu;l expost facto call it "a revolution" 536431;1393533762;mircea_popescu;and predicate a retrospective causality that never existed. 536432;1393533766;greenspan_fan;maybe it was an overdramatic example 536433;1393533771;mircea_popescu;maybe. 536434;1393533828;greenspan_fan;(to make an analogy w/ physics once again) leadership is like a drift velocity for particles undergoing brownian motion 536435;1393533835;mircea_popescu;no, it's not 536436;1393533847;mircea_popescu;because particles are a piss poor stand-in for people. 536437;1393533854;greenspan_fan;it's an analogy 536438;1393533867;mircea_popescu;well it's a degeneratology at best. 536439;1393533886;greenspan_fan;obviously people have their own directions and goals etc. 536440;1393533891;mircea_popescu;well so then ?! 536441;1393533915;mircea_popescu;"suppose this brick is a boat. obviously actual boats actually float, but nevertheless. 536442;1393533920;mircea_popescu;see how the brick sinks ?" 536443;1393533930;greenspan_fan;but that can be biased (and occasionally is) by the people around them; those they look up to, those they get paid by, people on the news, etc. 536444;1393533934;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11730497 BTC [+] 536445;1393533942;mircea_popescu;so you like to think. 536446;1393533952;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as you don't draw any inference from it, you may continue to think so. 536447;1393533956;greenspan_fan;so I have observed 536448;1393533963;mircea_popescu;right. 536449;1393534030;greenspan_fan;to bring it back to my understanding of TLP's point, it's that society's "power" (in some loosely defined sense) is distributed according to a power law 536450;1393534037;greenspan_fan;and in fact, it's a decent enough model 536451;1393534072;mircea_popescu;statistically. 536452;1393534078;mircea_popescu;once you try to particularize it it breaks down 536453;1393534100;greenspan_fan;the people with the most influence are either those w/ the most resources themselves, or those who can mobilize the resources of lots of other people 536454;1393534119;greenspan_fan;to a first approximation, more or less 536455;1393534127;mircea_popescu;i see no value in this approximation. 536456;1393534131;mircea_popescu;it's about as good as holy water. 536457;1393534152;greenspan_fan;yet you seem to draw the same conclusions that it does 536458;1393534154;mircea_popescu;max keiser was not actually able to create an altcoin as successful as tat's. 536459;1393534221;mircea_popescu;philippe egalite didn't end up the head of the french republic. napoleon did. 536460;1393534224;Duffer1;define success - he successfully scammed a lot of people, TaT didn't 536461;1393534253;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 kinda dubious anyone other than him actually paid it any mind. 536462;1393534273;greenspan_fan;And wasn't it barras who was jockeying for position w/ napoleon? 536463;1393534276;Duffer1;bagholders have been cryin about it for days on mcxnow 536464;1393534302;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan you could make a list of 1k names, but the point remains, the king's cousin was actually placed well enough to displace the monarchy. 536465;1393534303;wbaw;and didn't napoleon lose? 536466;1393534312;greenspan_fan;But of course Napoleon won because he was an extremely effective leader of a particularly important part of society 536467;1393534316;mircea_popescu;which he did. 536468;1393534316;greenspan_fan;not til 1815 536469;1393534333;greenspan_fan;that's like 20 years of reshaping europe right there 536470;1393534352;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan do you understand the difference between saying "she fucked me because she loves me" in the morning vs saying "she will fuck me because she loves me" in the evening ? 536471;1393534360;wbaw;there have been longer lived empires 536472;1393534361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40450 @ 0.00086963 = 35.1765 BTC [+] {4} 536473;1393534379;greenspan_fan;wbaw but he was one corsican nobody! that's what was spectacular about it 536474;1393534399;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu one's a prediction, one's a post-hoc explanation? 536475;1393534403;mircea_popescu;right. 536476;1393534419;mircea_popescu;she maybe fucked you because she was drunk, or because she was getting desperate, or for any reason. 536477;1393534423;mircea_popescu;but these are reasons. 536478;1393534436;mircea_popescu;she will fuck you for a cause, whatever it may be, even if it is drunkedness or desperation. 536479;1393534436;greenspan_fan;stipulated 536480;1393534444;mircea_popescu;but causes and reasons never met and never will meet. 536481;1393534485;greenspan_fan;"I can calculate the movements of the stars and planets, but not the madness of men" 536482;1393534500;mircea_popescu;right. the foremost fallacy bred into children by a slappy introduction of the scientific method 536483;1393534512;mircea_popescu;is the equivocation between causes and reasons. causality only exists in prospect. 536484;1393534530;mircea_popescu;there's no retrospective causality, retrospectively speaking all you have are explanations. 536485;1393534532;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu I don't really understand that, though. Are you saying that human decisions are too complicated to analyze after the fact? 536486;1393534537;mircea_popescu;no. 536487;1393534542;mircea_popescu;humanity doesn't enter into it. 536488;1393534545;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 83 @ 0.00496599 = 0.4122 BTC [-] {2} 536489;1393534594;greenspan_fan;But if I say "she fucked me because she loved me", and proceed to test that hypothesis, do I not either increase or decrease my confidence in it? 536490;1393534605;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00490003 = 0.2205 BTC [-] {2} 536491;1393534607;mircea_popescu;so what of it ? 536492;1393534623;greenspan_fan;then causes and reasons can meet? 536493;1393534637;mircea_popescu;in your confidence ? 536494;1393534650;mircea_popescu;any nonsense can meet in your head, that doesn't matter all that much. 536495;1393534664;greenspan_fan;but I can model it using math 536496;1393534668;mircea_popescu;you could probably have portia de rossi meet jesus if you strain a little. 536497;1393534672;mircea_popescu;surely. 536498;1393534677;mircea_popescu;math can be used to any purpose 536499;1393534691;mircea_popescu;that's what makes it so useful. 536500;1393534712;greenspan_fan;this just seems like you're recapitulating bishop berkeley 536501;1393534738;mircea_popescu;uh. 536502;1393534754;greenspan_fan;that reality only exists in the minds of the observers 536503;1393534760;mircea_popescu;i never said that. 536504;1393534770;mircea_popescu;apparently you came up with it trying to cope ? 536505;1393534776;greenspan_fan;no, I am trying to understand 536506;1393534785;mircea_popescu;im not saying reality doesn't exist. surely, it does. 536507;1393534817;greenspan_fan;if you get me to change my mind, I learn something new. Only upside here for me. I'm just trying to understand what your contentions are. 536508;1393534819;mircea_popescu;all i'm saying is that you don't really have the priviledged relationship to it you readily grant yourself. 536509;1393534827;mircea_popescu;sure, you may model a power law, which will be correct 536510;1393534833;greenspan_fan;yes, stipulated 536511;1393534844;mircea_popescu;you then proceed to flatter yourself in supposing you can identify the elements in that power law 536512;1393534847;mircea_popescu;this is a little rich. 536513;1393534849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5616 @ 0.00087028 = 4.8875 BTC [+] 536514;1393534853;greenspan_fan;again, I agree 536515;1393534880;greenspan_fan;but at some point we have to make an approximation because otherwise it's impossible to act 536516;1393534886;mircea_popescu;so don't act. 536517;1393534891;mircea_popescu;what, am i askin you to act / 536518;1393534916;mircea_popescu;you mean "it's impossible to act while maintaining the pomp of my pretense". surely, it is. 536519;1393534917;mircea_popescu;so ? 536520;1393534936;greenspan_fan;I am not sure how you can live if you don't try to understand the world around you 536521;1393534956;mircea_popescu;this'd be more of the berkely approach. who said i don't try ? 536522;1393534983;greenspan_fan;if your understanding is imperfect (which it generally is), you still need to interact with your environment to test/improve it 536523;1393534993;mircea_popescu;perhaps. 536524;1393535044;greenspan_fan;and so my reading of TLP allows me to make predictions, which are tested by observing the outcome of events 536525;1393535070;mircea_popescu;so you say. 536526;1393535088;greenspan_fan;yeah, but assume that I'm not just some internet troll who'll say anything to win an argument 536527;1393535093;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4222 @ 0.00499999 = 21.11 BTC [+] {5} 536528;1393535111;mircea_popescu;kind-of besides the point. 536529;1393535128;mircea_popescu;you still don't have that sort of privileged relationship with reality that'd allow you to turn an is into a should. 536530;1393535151;greenspan_fan;not in an "ought to" sense, no 536531;1393535154;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.0051803 = 5.1803 BTC [+] {10} 536532;1393535155;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.55999999 = 5.04 BTC [-] {2} 536533;1393535159;mircea_popescu;well what is a prediction ? 536534;1393535170;mircea_popescu;"if my calculations are correct, her knees ought to be parting right about now" 536535;1393535179;greenspan_fan;nothing so formal as that 536536;1393535193;mircea_popescu;informality doesn't rescue much here. 536537;1393535215;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00086632 = 27.0292 BTC [-] {2} 536538;1393535225;mircea_popescu;sure, a group will be described by a power law. and in that group a subgroup will pretend identification with the power law's peak. 536539;1393535236;greenspan_fan;of course 536540;1393535239;mircea_popescu;some subgroup of the subgroup will impose that and in so doing it'll become history 536541;1393535248;mircea_popescu;and retrospectively, the "correct prediction" 536542;1393535260;greenspan_fan;yeah, history is flawed that way 536543;1393535265;mircea_popescu;this doesn't change the fact that all the other subgroups of the subgroup each had their own pipe dreams 536544;1393535287;mircea_popescu;as far as a sufficiently entrenched glbse "investor" idiot is concerned, i just got lucky 536545;1393535293;mircea_popescu;or in fact, i don't even exist. 536546;1393535298;greenspan_fan;no, you didn't 536547;1393535309;mircea_popescu;@twobitidiot honestly believes he's a sort of snowden, having leaked important mtgox shit 536548;1393535316;greenspan_fan;you made a prediction that incompetence will lead to failure 536549;1393535319;mircea_popescu;which had been published months and months ago, but nevertheless. 536550;1393535337;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00538064 = 5.3806 BTC [+] {10} 536551;1393535338;mircea_popescu;you can't really go from one to the other. 536552;1393535366;greenspan_fan;wasn't that the basis of your predicting mt gox's failure, though? 536553;1393535392;mike_c;he didn't predict it, he announced it :) 536554;1393535393;mircea_popescu;we don't know, i never disclosed any basis, 536555;1393535398;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1012 @ 0.00499999 = 5.06 BTC [-] {8} 536556;1393535402;mircea_popescu;and if i had, we wouldn't know if the disclosure was complete, 536557;1393535405;mircea_popescu;and so on. 536558;1393535416;mircea_popescu;but in any sort of scientific sense i made no prediction. people even today object to this approach 536559;1393535457;mircea_popescu;"Any actual evidence that they have this magic unlimited selftrading account? Im sure a lot of people would like to see it if it does indeed exist.." 536560;1393535459;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 800 @ 0.005 = 4 BTC [+] 536561;1393535463;mircea_popescu;"Im sure a lot of people would like free icecream, too. And free coffee, even to the degree of queing for an hour to get it. And whatever else. So what of it ?" 536562;1393535468;mircea_popescu;"What of it? People who dont know MtGox wont buy this story as long as you provide zero evidence to back it up, thats what of it." 536563;1393535476;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/mtgox-and-ancient-bitcoin-history-the-straight-dope/#comment-98083 536564;1393535482;mircea_popescu;that was... the 14th 536565;1393535510;thestringpuller;you made the claim of MtGox operating on fractional reserve awhile back... 536566;1393535516;mircea_popescu;sure. 536567;1393535522;thestringpuller;and the self trading account 536568;1393535534;greenspan_fan;so, assuming that wasn't all insider information 536569;1393535558;mircea_popescu;well why wouldn't it be ? maybe it was. maybe i can read the future in uvulas. 536570;1393535574;mircea_popescu;this is in fact a perfect embodiment of your problem for your convenience : 536571;1393535579;mircea_popescu;you can't in fact establish what it was. 536572;1393535581;thestringpuller;i think it's more of how a doctor operates 536573;1393535581;greenspan_fan;then your prediction was based on matching a pattern of red flags which have historically had certain outcomes 536574;1393535592;mircea_popescu;and similarly as you can't here, you generally can't anywhere else. 536575;1393535594;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu saw the symptoms and made a diagnosis 536576;1393535599;greenspan_fan;exactly 536577;1393535614;mircea_popescu;sure greenspan_fan you can think whatever you wish. but that doesn't resolve your decidability dilemma. 536578;1393535637;thestringpuller;you mean trilema :) 536579;1393535641;greenspan_fan;which dilemma? 536580;1393535641;greenspan_fan;haha 536581;1393535674;mircea_popescu;well it's pluriform. 536582;1393535704;greenspan_fan;for instance, I predict altcoin is more likely to succeed than other, uh, altcoins because it does things "better" than others and is backed by people who are credible and talented 536583;1393535712;mircea_popescu;so what if it does ? 536584;1393535718;thestringpuller;ugh 536585;1393535719;mircea_popescu;succeed, i mean. 536586;1393535723;thestringpuller;signal vs noise 536587;1393535727;greenspan_fan;nothing, that's just my prediction 536588;1393535730;mircea_popescu;right. 536589;1393535744;mircea_popescu;you'll look back and go... well i guess the prediction came through. now what ? 536590;1393535745;greenspan_fan;insofar as I can't sample all possible histories after the fact 536591;1393535763;thestringpuller;you don't need to if you operate on valid information 536592;1393535772;greenspan_fan;I don't know whether my reasoning was correct or if other factors decided things 536593;1393535773;thestringpuller;if you operate on noise you're just a lemming 536594;1393535777;mircea_popescu;so yeah, the summa of this thing is that hard rational positions melt away under examination. 536595;1393535790;thestringpuller;^- yup 536596;1393535808;mircea_popescu;which is a cognate of both why regulation can't resolve market problems and why "self enforcing contracts" are nonsense. 536597;1393535823;thestringpuller;"self enforcing" lol 536598;1393535828;mircea_popescu;and further a cognate of quite catholic notions of divinity. 536599;1393535828;greenspan_fan;but if I make predictions based on similar lines of reasoning, then the meta-level model is tested 536600;1393535834;mircea_popescu;so ? 536601;1393535854;mircea_popescu;suppose there's S.LAUGHING, a stock. 536602;1393535858;greenspan_fan;haha 536603;1393535864;mircea_popescu;suppose each day it increases x% 536604;1393535873;mircea_popescu;you verify this theory until you're bored. 536605;1393535876;mircea_popescu;now what ? 536606;1393535886;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 686 @ 0.00483133 = 3.3143 BTC [-] {10} 536607;1393535925;greenspan_fan;if I have reasons to believe it will increase day over day by a certain percent 536608;1393535929;greenspan_fan;and I am confident in my reasoning 536609;1393535935;greenspan_fan;then I should buy it 536610;1393535947;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 351 @ 0.00481433 = 1.6898 BTC [-] {7} 536611;1393535955;mircea_popescu;so you should buy it. 536612;1393535969;asciilifeform;consult S.CRYING futures, they tell... the future. 536613;1393535972;mircea_popescu;do you actually buy it just because you should ? 536614;1393535980;greenspan_fan;yes 536615;1393535989;mircea_popescu;yeah well... i don't. 536616;1393535994;greenspan_fan;why not? 536617;1393536001;mircea_popescu;cause i have to also feel like it. 536618;1393536008;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 169 @ 0.00473674 = 0.8005 BTC [-] {9} 536619;1393536018;thestringpuller;lol 536620;1393536027;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu needs to be attracted to the stock 536621;1393536028;greenspan_fan;why wouldn't you feel like it? 536622;1393536036;mircea_popescu;how would i know ? 536623;1393536038;thestringpuller;it has to give him a few blowjobs, tell him he's pretty 536624;1393536041;mircea_popescu;and for that matter, how would you. 536625;1393536049;greenspan_fan;take him out to dinner before hand... 536626;1393536063;mircea_popescu;but these are all of the nature of the x% you realise. 536627;1393536071;mircea_popescu;pirate can pay 7% a week untill he falls over. 536628;1393536080;mircea_popescu;for all i care. 536629;1393536080;greenspan_fan;yes, certainly 536630;1393536086;mircea_popescu;well lol. 536631;1393536115;mircea_popescu;Untermyer: Is not commercial credit based primarily upon money or property? 536632;1393536121;mircea_popescu;Morgan: No, sir. The first thing is character. 536633;1393536126;mircea_popescu;Untermyer: Before money or property? 536634;1393536131;mircea_popescu;Morgan: Before money or anything else. 536635;1393536146;greenspan_fan;I fit that into my reasoning, though 536636;1393536161;thestringpuller;greenspan_fan do you know who Nate Silver is? 536637;1393536162;mircea_popescu;so you say. maybe you do. maybe, however, you don;t. 536638;1393536187;greenspan_fan;thestringpuller yep, reading his book at the moment 536639;1393536220;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu yes, but I'm reasoning based on the assumption that my process might be perfect 536640;1393536232;mircea_popescu;right-o. thatd be the problem we've been discussing. 536641;1393536239;greenspan_fan;which might be the "feeling" you're talking about? 536642;1393536254;mircea_popescu;you excused this untenable presumption on the grounds that your high expectations of yourself would otherwise paralyze you, 536643;1393536268;mircea_popescu;should you find yourself alone with a cunt that's not properly bred according to the customs of your class 536644;1393536280;mircea_popescu;and who maybe doesn't even - horror of horrors - speak your language. 536645;1393536316;mircea_popescu;your process is not going to be perfect, and the representation that it is makes no sense. 536646;1393536337;greenspan_fan;yeah I wasn't arguing based on that 536647;1393536345;mircea_popescu;you slide in and out of it. 536648;1393536354;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: should you find yourself alone with... doesn't even - horror of horrors - speak your language << might as well put him alone on a nuke sub with overheating reactor 536649;1393536364;mircea_popescu;but why be mean. 536650;1393536388;greenspan_fan;just that since 100% certainty is provably impossible, there's a point at which acting according to my understanding of the scenario is better then not 536651;1393536393;thestringpuller;lol 536652;1393536401;greenspan_fan;even if my understanding is flawed 536653;1393536404;asciilifeform;(there was a great robert sheckley story about folks who were paid to be knocked out and put on a nosediving plane, sinking ship, etc. and filmed as they try to wiggle their way out of odd situations) 536654;1393536449;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan what does "better" mean ? your mommy would approve ? 536655;1393536450;greenspan_fan;asciilifeform added to my reading list, thanks 536656;1393536463;greenspan_fan;no, there's a bit of meta-modelling here 536657;1393536481;mircea_popescu;you perceive a distinction between this meta-modelling and your mommy ? what would it be ? 536658;1393536499;greenspan_fan;well, for instance, I don't know my mom haha 536659;1393536515;mircea_popescu;lol 536660;1393536525;mircea_popescu;what, you're a romanian orphan too ?! 536661;1393536527;greenspan_fan;but at some point it gets back to a sort of cogito ergo sum being the only axiom you can trust 536662;1393536541;mircea_popescu;you can't trust anything, get real. 536663;1393536552;greenspan_fan;not a fan of descartes? 536664;1393536557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00086629 = 11.435 BTC [-] 536665;1393536562;mircea_popescu;it's a fiction, this. "i think". pray tell, what do you think. 536666;1393536577;mircea_popescu;i'm a great fan of descartes, just, not ready to marry him. 536667;1393536607;greenspan_fan;consciousness is an illusion is a possibility 536668;1393536609;mircea_popescu;the cogito goes as proof of existence, it's abused to all hell by people who lack the context to understand what's being said. 536669;1393536617;mircea_popescu;these days it's used as a sort of chip-n-dip 536670;1393536651;greenspan_fan;the argument was, I think, that even if he were a brain in a vat (or being tortured by demons, whatever), he could still claim to exist 536671;1393536658;mircea_popescu;right. 536672;1393536668;mircea_popescu;but that does not extend to "and by this light make his decisions acceptable" 536673;1393536740;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 239 @ 0.04377352 = 10.4619 BTC [-] {20} 536674;1393536754;greenspan_fan;sure. my contention is that alternative possibilities, like "I am not able to control my own actions" are in some sense unhelpful 536675;1393536771;mircea_popescu;but this is wildly different from what we were discussing 536676;1393536780;greenspan_fan;We treat the world around us are being "real" because perhaps it is 536677;1393536783;mircea_popescu;unless by "my own" you mean "1k random people i've chosen to represent as my own pebbles" 536678;1393536802;greenspan_fan;no that's not what I was saying initially 536679;1393536816;mircea_popescu;well, so you can control your own actions, provided you don't control their effects 536680;1393536824;greenspan_fan;yes 536681;1393536824;mircea_popescu;or you can control their effects, provided you don't act at all. 536682;1393536839;mircea_popescu;this doesn't sound like making mommy too happy yet. 536683;1393536841;greenspan_fan;in the sense of reinterpretting the past 536684;1393536853;greenspan_fan;plz stop w/ the mom references, you're bumming me out 536685;1393536857;mircea_popescu;sorry. 536686;1393536881;mircea_popescu;it's on some level unavoidable tho, because shoulds link into the superego. 536687;1393536909;greenspan_fan;yeah, it's difficult to avoid that semantic blurring 536688;1393536947;mircea_popescu;anyway : you'll never be able to have both a) agency and b) rationality. 536689;1393536960;mircea_popescu;either you act in the world, in which case you come to terms with imposing your arbitrarity upon it 536690;1393536972;greenspan_fan;I realize I have a typo in the above: "process might be IMperfect" ** 536691;1393536972;mircea_popescu;or else you think of the world, in which case you come to terms with your own inexistence 536692;1393536974;mircea_popescu;in practical terms. 536693;1393537009;greenspan_fan;but to go back to the example of S.LAUGHING 536694;1393537039;greenspan_fan;if I have reasons to believe it will continue to increase, I should invest in it 536695;1393537045;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00484998 = 0.2182 BTC [+] {2} 536696;1393537069;mircea_popescu;sure, you should. 536697;1393537076;greenspan_fan;this reasoning includes a sort of meta-level reasoning about whether or not the stock selection process is likely to be correct 536698;1393537082;mircea_popescu;you should also clean out your room, and the fridge, and eat healthier 536699;1393537084;mircea_popescu;and quit smoking. 536700;1393537107;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27928 @ 0.00086459 = 24.1463 BTC [-] {2} 536701;1393537129;greenspan_fan;I do those things to the degree that it's the rational choice 536702;1393537142;mircea_popescu;or so you say 536703;1393537146;mircea_popescu;ie, so you represent it to yourself. 536704;1393537150;mircea_popescu;what's so rational about it ? 536705;1393537168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00086217 = 11.4238 BTC [-] {2} 536706;1393537225;greenspan_fan;insofar as "attempting to act rationally" has benefits associated with it, and insofar as I understand how to do so 536707;1393537240;greenspan_fan;I'm not perfect, but I try to improve 536708;1393537246;mircea_popescu;so you should stop dieing then. 536709;1393537248;mircea_popescu;why dont you ? 536710;1393537262;greenspan_fan;glibly; I've succeeded so far, haven't I? 536711;1393537266;mircea_popescu;surely. 536712;1393537289;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.00498471 = 0.3589 BTC [-] {5} 536713;1393537292;greenspan_fan;and I am doing my best to postpone it 536714;1393537294;mircea_popescu;obviously, you're trying to improve on this too. 536715;1393537295;mircea_popescu;indeed. 536716;1393537302;mircea_popescu;alternatively, i couldn't care less. 536717;1393537312;greenspan_fan;you don't care if you live or die? 536718;1393537317;mircea_popescu;not really. 536719;1393537338;greenspan_fan;why not? 536720;1393537353;mircea_popescu;uh. what, i got the burden of the negative now ?! 536721;1393537360;greenspan_fan;I am just curious 536722;1393537372;mircea_popescu;i suppose to some degree, at the level of a challenge, as in, some schmuck pulls a gun and i blow his head off 536723;1393537388;mircea_popescu;not out of anything than the holy "if you give this nimrod 1500 i'll kill him on general principle" 536724;1393537395;mircea_popescu;but other than that... what difference does it make ? 536725;1393537411;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 274 @ 0.0055 = 1.507 BTC 536726;1393537412;greenspan_fan;but being alive is clearly awesome 536727;1393537420;mircea_popescu;uh. 536728;1393537448;mircea_popescu;i never heard the dead complain. 536729;1393537458;mircea_popescu;you ever been on these new social media things they have ? 536730;1393537472;greenspan_fan;is there one for the afterlife now, too? 536731;1393537490;mircea_popescu;lol, now there's some revolutionizng and disrupting in a tang package 536732;1393537492;greenspan_fan;I heard facebook was trying to get into that space vis. dead friends still posting links to ads... 536733;1393537493;mircea_popescu;just add vc-water. 536734;1393537507;greenspan_fan;man that's another great y-combinator startup right there 536735;1393537539;mircea_popescu;so how much are you paying me not to kill you ? 536736;1393537569;mircea_popescu;seeing how it's clearly awesome and whatnot, stands to reason it should be worth something to you. 536737;1393537571;greenspan_fan;I'm from the NSA man, you can't touch me 536738;1393537576;mircea_popescu;how much can i get off you for your own life ? 536739;1393537618;greenspan_fan;it's worth more than everything in the world, yet by symmetry any transaction's balanced out by whatever you're paying me not to kill you 536740;1393537632;mircea_popescu;mebbe you presume a little there :) 536741;1393537643;mircea_popescu;i ain't payin' squat. 536742;1393537645;mircea_popescu;so now what ? 536743;1393537663;Diablo-D3;http://i.imgur.com/B1Ajc8j.jpg 536744;1393537674;greenspan_fan;then this reduces to some sort of weird pascal's wager like scenario 536745;1393537702;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan it just reduces to yet another faced of your rationality dilemma. 536746;1393537945;greenspan_fan;yeah, I am just wondering what your alternative to rationality is? 536747;1393538018;cypherc;http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/27/yellen-on-bitcoin-fed-doesnt-have-authority-to-regulate-it-in-any-way/ 536748;1393538018;ozbot;Yellen on Bitcoin: Fed Doesn’t Have Authority to Regulate It in Any Way - MoneyBeat - WSJ 536749;1393538021;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00499995 = 0.2 BTC [-] 536750;1393538045;nubbins`;Diablo-D3, lel 536751;1393538507;mircea_popescu;cypherc you know you're like the 5th with that link 536752;1393538534;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan you know, being a man. 536753;1393538583;greenspan_fan;http://imgur.com/XpryV8k 536754;1393538584;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 536755;1393538588;greenspan_fan;sorry I was making that 536756;1393538597;*;nubbins` facepalms 536757;1393538601;greenspan_fan;but "being a man" is totally begging the question 536758;1393538604;nubbins`;you know that's not a japanese starbucks, yes? 536759;1393538605;mircea_popescu;of course. 536760;1393538609;greenspan_fan;yes 536761;1393538625;mircea_popescu;wtf is untap 536762;1393538631;greenspan_fan;but it was the only one I could find 536763;1393538631;greenspan_fan;unfortunately it's korean 536764;1393538631;nubbins`;some M:TG shit 536765;1393538639;nubbins`;greenspan_fan: i've actually been in that starbucks 536766;1393538670;mircea_popescu;lol you're the guy with the beard ? 536767;1393538673;ThickAsThieves;you tap a card to attack or use its tap ability 536768;1393538674;nubbins`;it's one of, if not the only, starbucks in the world that doesn't have "STARBUCKS COFFEE" written on the outside 536769;1393538690;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan you know how mothers tend to end coversations with "because i say so, that's why!" ? 536770;1393538693;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00086735 = 12.2296 BTC [+] {2} 536771;1393538693;nubbins`;mp, not anymore ;( 536772;1393538694;mircea_popescu;well... that'd be them being a man. 536773;1393538701;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu no I don't, see above 536774;1393538706;mircea_popescu;i know ;/ 536775;1393538710;mircea_popescu;what the fuck am i going to do here. 536776;1393538711;greenspan_fan;ass haha 536777;1393538726;cypherc;sorry havent seen it before 536778;1393538736;mircea_popescu;cypherc log's your friend :) 536779;1393538738;nubbins`;it does, however, say SU-TA-BUK-SU KEO-PI 536780;1393538743;nubbins`;which is admittedly pretty close. 536781;1393538754;mircea_popescu;keopi ? srsly ? 536782;1393538761;nubbins`;there's no F or V in korean 536783;1393538765;greenspan_fan;it seems to me that you're implicitly truncating the process of trying to evaluate the world 536784;1393538770;mircea_popescu;i am. 536785;1393538780;greenspan_fan;ok, that I can agree with 536786;1393538783;mircea_popescu;nubbins` how to they fuck without vaginas ? 536787;1393538793;mircea_popescu;greenspan_fan agree with alexander, he invented it. 536788;1393538797;greenspan_fan;I think they're slanted? that's what my dad said 536789;1393538798;BingoBoingo;http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/14/02/27/2017249/yes-you-too-can-be-an-evil-network-overlord-with-openbsd 536790;1393538799;ozbot;Yes, You Too Can Be an Evil Network Overlord With OpenBSD - Slashdot 536791;1393538810;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, by calling it a buigina 536792;1393538814;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.0050005 = 0.24 BTC [-] {2} 536793;1393538817;mircea_popescu;o jesus 536794;1393538823;mircea_popescu;"she's got bulgarians in her buigina" 536795;1393538833;dexX7;http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/1z2xo5/speculation_the_us_government_has_control_of_goxs/ this one is interesting. especially the "hints" like the "9gag" 536796;1393538836;nubbins`;DVD = dee buee dee 536797;1393538851;greenspan_fan;mircea_popescu but I'm cutting the knot knowing that it's not the complete solution, but at some point you just have to do things 536798;1393538861;mircea_popescu;right. 536799;1393538869;greenspan_fan;so we're in agreement? 536800;1393538875;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.0053 = 0.1007 BTC [+] {2} 536801;1393538917;mircea_popescu;mebbe so. 536802;1393538997;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.059 = 0.177 BTC [+] 536803;1393539038;greenspan_fan;in gratitude for this interesting discussion, I've decided to spread your fame to the r/bitcoin subreddit 536804;1393539040;greenspan_fan;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z4hie/mt_gox_legendary_land/ 536805;1393539040;ozbot;Mt. Gox, Legendary Land : Bitcoin 536806;1393539046;greenspan_fan;check the username 536807;1393539065;mircea_popescu;pankkake'll be proud 536808;1393539071;greenspan_fan;haha 536809;1393539083;mircea_popescu;anyway, enough excitement for one day. catch you all tomorrow! 536810;1393539103;dexX7;cya 536811;1393539185;kakobrekla;hey but the clock amount is still low! 536812;1393539275;nubbins`;heh 536813;1393539546;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.00509995 = 0.1887 BTC [+] 536814;1393539668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00086678 = 16.6855 BTC [-] 536815;1393539860;kakobrekla;>>You may want to inform your server guy to BLOCK all traffic coming from referrer getgoxed.com 536816;1393539860;kakobrekla;( someone did a redirect to kraken.com ) 536817;1393539862;kakobrekla;-- 536818;1393539862;kakobrekla;lel 536819;1393539881;kakobrekla;the guy doesnt know they squated it themselves 536820;1393539912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00086134 = 8.8287 BTC [-] 536821;1393539912;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.0051 = 0.1326 BTC [+] {2} 536822;1393540034;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 23 @ 0.005278 = 0.1214 BTC [+] 536823;1393540095;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.55996666 = 1.6799 BTC [-] {2} 536824;1393540217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00086083 = 21.0043 BTC [-] {2} 536825;1393540217;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.56166666 = 1.685 BTC [+] {2} 536826;1393540278;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.005334 = 0.112 BTC [+] 536827;1393540523;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11730696 BTC [+] 536828;1393541743;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.565 = 1.695 BTC [+] 536829;1393541804;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.566 = 1.132 BTC [+] 536830;1393542108;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 996 @ 0.00504809 = 5.0279 BTC [-] {10} 536831;1393542169;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 17 @ 0.10461764 = 1.7785 BTC [+] {2} 536832;1393542170;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 93 @ 0.00524996 = 0.4882 BTC [+] {2} 536833;1393542346;benkay;;;calc 21.0043 + 8.8287 536834;1393542346;gribble;29.833 536835;1393542429;benkay;;;calc .1326 + .1214 + 1.6799 + 1.685 + 0.112 + 0.11730696 + 1.695 + 1.132 + 5.0279 + 1.7785 + 0.4882 + 29.833 536836;1393542429;gribble;43.80280696 536837;1393542465;benkay;;;calc 29.833 / 43.80280699 536838;1393542465;gribble;0.681075073723 536839;1393542596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00085997 = 11.8676 BTC [-] 536840;1393542596;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.56616665 = 5.0955 BTC [+] {2} 536841;1393542718;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [+] 536842;1393542901;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 21 @ 0.00527113 = 0.1107 BTC [+] {3} 536843;1393542916;benkay;;;calc (29.833 + 11.876) / (43.80280699 + 11.876 + 5.0955 + 0.57 + 0.1107) 536844;1393542916;gribble;0.678691648457 536845;1393542924;benkay;dat mpoe 536846;1393543023;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00527776 = 0.2956 BTC [+] {2} 536847;1393543084;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00527797 = 0.4856 BTC [+] {6} 536848;1393543145;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00527797 = 0.6334 BTC [+] {5} 536849;1393543328;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00507026 = 0.2028 BTC [-] 536850;1393543572;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 91 @ 0.00507026 = 0.4614 BTC [-] 536851;1393543634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00086488 = 12.8867 BTC [+] {2} 536852;1393543694;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.57412999 = 8.6119 BTC [+] {6} 536853;1393543723;ThickAsThieves;why is TF's btc addy making weekly payments to people? https://blockchain.info/address/1GLadosEkeAsLReqS3yQ51E1R3wVtbJCDF 536854;1393543816;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7786 @ 0.00017139 = 1.3344 BTC [-] {24} 536855;1393543842;BingoBoingo;That is a very good question ThickAsThieves 536856;1393543877;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02139899 = 0.1498 BTC [-] 536857;1393543878;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.57637499 = 11.5275 BTC [+] {7} 536858;1393543938;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [+] 536859;1393543999;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 66 @ 0.0055 = 0.363 BTC 536860;1393544000;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58 = 1.16 BTC [+] 536861;1393544033;benkay;;;later tell mircea_popescu the multiwallets are coming out of the woodwork... https://github.com/coinpunk/kongbucks 536862;1393544033;gribble;The operation succeeded. 536863;1393544044;ThickAsThieves;was looking for connections to Deprived / TF 536864;1393544121;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1300 @ 0.00018497 = 0.2405 BTC [+] {4} 536865;1393544122;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00525999 = 0.1736 BTC [+] {3} 536866;1393544170;asciilifeform;benkay: browser-based wallet. because spammers need to eat, too. 536867;1393544182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00086304 = 7.2064 BTC [-] 536868;1393544183;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: They might exist? I dunno of any communications from TF this year. Maybe moiety would have some information? 536869;1393544243;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 151 @ 0.00537997 = 0.8124 BTC [+] {2} 536870;1393544426;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0053399 = 0.1068 BTC [+] 536871;1393544487;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00537996 = 0.4842 BTC [-] {2} 536872;1393544670;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 82 @ 0.00537997 = 0.4412 BTC [+] 536873;1393544792;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 293 @ 0.00537996 = 1.5763 BTC [-] {2} 536874;1393544914;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 126 @ 0.00537997 = 0.6779 BTC [+] {3} 536875;1393544915;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.00534 = 0.4112 BTC [+] 536876;1393544975;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 354 @ 0.0053684 = 1.9004 BTC [+] {4} 536877;1393545158;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.57999998 = 4.64 BTC [-] {3} 536878;1393545280;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 186 @ 0.00537997 = 1.0007 BTC [-] {4} 536879;1393545341;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00537997 = 0.1829 BTC [-] 536880;1393545403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00086204 = 16.4219 BTC [-] 536881;1393545463;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.5790909 = 12.74 BTC [-] {4} 536882;1393545472;BingoBoingo;So... Jed McCaleb apparently still owns 12% of Gox? http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/02/leaked-just-before-bitcoin-catastrophe-mtgox-dreamed-of-riches/ 536883;1393545524;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00547113 = 1.6413 BTC [+] {4} 536884;1393545564;precrime3;hi, i was invited to come here, topic can be seen here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=491115.0;topicseen 536885;1393545602;asciilifeform;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/north-korean-defector-fights-pyongyang-with-thumbdrive-laden-balloons/ 536886;1393545602;ozbot;North Korean defector fights Pyongyang with thumbdrive-laden balloons | Ars Technica 536887;1393545647;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.104 = 0.312 BTC [-] 536888;1393545699;kakobrekla;hm 536889;1393545704;kakobrekla;precrime didnt last long 536890;1393545720;kakobrekla;i guess he just went to plain crime 536891;1393545768;twizt;precrime3 536892;1393545768;twizt;rofl 536893;1393545890;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.11730918 = 0.5865 BTC [+] 536894;1393545899;Chris_Sabian;I have a transcation that I sent out almost 5 hours ago and it is still unconfirmed. broadcast through 99 nodes. miners fee of 0.0005 sent. any idea of why it is taking so long? 536895;1393545924;BingoBoingo;Chris_Sabian: Piss off any people who run pools? 536896;1393545952;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05800082 = 0.116 BTC [-] {2} 536897;1393545955;Diablo-D3;fee too low? 536898;1393545978;Chris_Sabian;fee should be ok 536899;1393546166;BingoBoingo;Oh, the LoLs https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=488669.msg5385970#msg5385970 536900;1393546256;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00554955 = 0.3385 BTC [+] {2} 536901;1393546561;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.00537995 = 0.5111 BTC [+] {2} 536902;1393546634;ninjashogun;anyone interested in startups here? 536903;1393546636;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://captainchang.com/cs-songbook/instruction_set.html 536904;1393546636;gribble;The operation succeeded. 536905;1393546757;MagicalTrux;https://github.com/Ferus/WhergBot2.0/blob/master/Plugins/Matix/Spams/NIGGERS.txt 536906;1393546821;MagicalTrux;http://captainchang.com/cs-songbook/baby_got_scheme.html 536907;1393546822;ozbot;Baby got Scheme 536908;1393546866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32308 @ 0.00086534 = 27.9574 BTC [+] 536909;1393546988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16915 @ 0.00086346 = 14.6054 BTC [-] {2} 536910;1393547078;nubbins`;hi 536911;1393547109;BingoBoingo;Hello nubbins` 536912;1393547171;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.58100019 = 5.81 BTC [+] {2} 536913;1393547536;Chris_Sabian;i found a solution to the stcuk transcation in bitcoinqt : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=483564.msg5328360#msg5328360 536914;1393547781;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 168 @ 0.00555 = 0.9324 BTC [+] {3} 536915;1393547903;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00561025 = 0.2188 BTC [+] {2} 536916;1393547965;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.005645 = 0.5645 BTC [+] 536917;1393547966;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [+] 536918;1393548025;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05801 = 0.116 BTC [-] {2} 536919;1393548026;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.105 = 0.21 BTC [+] {2} 536920;1393548027;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2} 536921;1393548086;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.058 = 0.116 BTC [-] {2} 536922;1393548087;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.105 = 0.21 BTC [+] {2} 536923;1393548088;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2} 536924;1393548148;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00537995 = 0.4788 BTC [+] 536925;1393548330;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.00520099 = 1.8203 BTC [-] {4} 536926;1393548513;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.0057 = 0.1653 BTC [+] 536927;1393548676;BingoBoingo;I think I found something much more fun to spend BTC on than a Lambo http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/02/the-exosuit-a-wearable-submarine-for-visiting-deep-water/ 536928;1393548696;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0056925 = 0.2277 BTC [-] {2} 536929;1393548879;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58100019 BTC [+] 536930;1393548940;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 44 @ 0.58590347 = 25.7798 BTC [+] {8} 536931;1393549001;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.591 = 1.773 BTC [+] {2} 536932;1393549050;cazalla;you really want a lambo? 536933;1393549062;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00086186 = 30.0358 BTC [-] {2} 536934;1393549088;cazalla;i was going to buy a toyota 86 but decided to keep driving my shit box until it goes no more 536935;1393549124;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.592625 = 4.741 BTC [+] {2} 536936;1393549184;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.005601 = 0.14 BTC [-] 536937;1393549245;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.59499998 = 10.115 BTC [+] {4} 536938;1393549306;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59598917 BTC [+] 536939;1393549367;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.59711 = 2.3884 BTC [+] {2} 536940;1393549428;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59598917 BTC [-] 536941;1393549429;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Nah, I prefer my Saturn. I just thing the diving suit would be fun. 536942;1393549489;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.00534999 = 0.1979 BTC [+] 536943;1393549490;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595 BTC [-] 536944;1393549550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00569 = 0.1138 BTC [+] 536945;1393549612;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0057 = 0.285 BTC [+] 536946;1393549613;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.59675833 = 3.5805 BTC [+] {2} 536947;1393549649;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 536948;1393549662;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 584.94, vol: 15642.56806355 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 568.894, vol: 14217.12556 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 586.25, vol: 11373.50354135 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 604.9, vol: 53.79227123 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 578.43415, vol: 6348.48000000 | Volume-weighted last average: 579.619232199 536949;1393549672;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.59711 = 2.3884 BTC [+] {2} 536950;1393549733;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 23 @ 0.59884564 = 13.7734 BTC [+] {3} 536951;1393549794;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.0057 = 0.2052 BTC [+] 536952;1393549855;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.00576032 = 0.3687 BTC [+] {4} 536953;1393549856;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00506117 = 2.5306 BTC [-] {7} 536954;1393549916;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 27 @ 0.59995554 = 16.1988 BTC [+] {6} 536955;1393549977;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.6020002 = 4.214 BTC [+] {3} 536956;1393550038;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61 = 1.22 BTC [+] 536957;1393550099;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.618666 = 1.856 BTC [+] {2} 536958;1393550404;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.61999887 = 6.2 BTC [+] 536959;1393550831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00086184 = 6.6362 BTC [-] 536960;1393550892;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.005799 = 0.3711 BTC [+] 536961;1393550893;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.6104 = 3.052 BTC [-] {2} 536962;1393550953;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.61 = 3.66 BTC [-] {2} 536963;1393551014;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61 = 2.44 BTC [-] 536964;1393551075;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61 = 1.22 BTC [-] 536965;1393551136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00086184 = 17.1075 BTC [-] {2} 536966;1393551197;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 31 @ 0.6257061 = 19.3969 BTC [+] {10} 536967;1393551258;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.63854286 = 17.8792 BTC [+] {10} 536968;1393551319;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 102 @ 0.005799 = 0.5915 BTC [+] 536969;1393551380;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.61001666 = 3.6601 BTC [-] {2} 536970;1393551444;nubbins`;!t m s.mg 536971;1393551445;assbot;[MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0.000149 / 0.000149 / 0.000149 (160 shares, 0.02 BTC), 7D: 0.000138 / 0.00013949 / 0.000149 (1180 shares, 0.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00010001 / 0.00011616 / 0.000149 (5030 shares, 0.58 BTC) 536972;1393551502;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00500341 = 2.5017 BTC [-] {9} 536973;1393551624;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00519999 = 0.182 BTC [+] 536974;1393551625;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.643975 = 2.5759 BTC [+] {3} 536975;1393551746;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00086184 = 3.6197 BTC [-] 536976;1393551746;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.005798 = 0.1102 BTC [-] 536977;1393551747;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61001 = 1.22 BTC [-] 536978;1393551807;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.005799 = 0.2494 BTC [+] 536979;1393551868;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6469 BTC [+] 536980;1393551869;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.0058 = 0.464 BTC [+] 536981;1393551929;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0058 = 0.116 BTC [+] 536982;1393551930;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.0050008 = 0.7251 BTC [-] {3} 536983;1393551990;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6469 = 2.5876 BTC [+] 536984;1393552051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.0008618 = 3.7057 BTC [-] {2} 536985;1393552112;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00581503 = 0.2908 BTC [+] 536986;1393552113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00086257 = 8.3669 BTC [+] 536987;1393552113;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.0050008 = 0.3701 BTC [-] 536988;1393552295;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [-] 536989;1393552478;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1066 = 0.2132 BTC [+] {2} 536990;1393552480;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 536991;1393552481;BingoBoingo;Crimea 2 Electric Boogaloo has been submitted to BitBet 536992;1393552540;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1066 BTC [+] 536993;1393552541;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 536994;1393552542;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.00590674 = 0.3898 BTC [+] {8} 536995;1393552600;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.057375 = 0.2295 BTC [-] {3} 536996;1393552601;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1066 = 0.3198 BTC [+] 536997;1393552661;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1066 BTC [+] 536998;1393552662;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] 536999;1393552663;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61275025 = 2.451 BTC [-] {4} 537000;1393552686;BingoBoingo;Yalta actually seems like a really nice place to have a summer house 537001;1393553027;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.64483333 = 1.9345 BTC [+] {3} 537002;1393553225;asciilifeform;educational: 537003;1393553227;asciilifeform;http://sneakygcr.net/why-you-shouldnt-trust-your-vps-provider.html 537004;1393553227;ozbot;Why you shouldn't trust your VPS provider | gcr's journal 537005;1393553264;asciilifeform;(the 'what' is obvious to an alert reader. the 'how' is the subject of the linked piece.) 537006;1393553384;BingoBoingo;That is an interesting and surprisingly easy how to 537007;1393553416;asciilifeform;if the rabbit is in the hat, you can pull it out of the hat. 537008;1393553425;asciilifeform;and you needn't be a magician. 537009;1393553466;BingoBoingo;Well cold as it is this time of year, generally you can dig rabbit, minimal pulling required 537010;1393553495;BingoBoingo;So ##mtgox-statement is a lulzy channel of the moment 537011;1393553533;diametric;I've been lulzing at ##mtgox-chat for weeks 537012;1393553545;diametric;especially the guy that dropped like $5k on goxbtc through bb 537013;1393553574;asciilifeform;diametric: is there a public log? 537014;1393553581;diametric;not that i'm aware of 537015;1393553595;diametric;the latest trend is that Mark is under a gag order 537016;1393553601;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not in ##mtgox-statement either 537017;1393553605;asciilifeform;oh well 537018;1393553609;diametric;and that he tried to slip that message in the IRC interview by posting a 9gag image and specifically mentioning 9gag when he linked the url 537019;1393553628;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Join, log, have lulz to dump later 537020;1393553639;diametric;I'm waiting for Mark is actually a reptilian alien 537021;1393553653;asciilifeform;'9gag' ? sounds like the kind of delaying tactic the man is famous for. 537022;1393553683;diametric;well, it was laughable 537023;1393553687;diametric;and then Circle.com got one too 537024;1393553694;BingoBoingo;This is the internet, everything is messy 537025;1393553716;asciilifeform;what the hell is circle.com 537026;1393553723;asciilifeform;the site itself isn't very informative... 537027;1393553733;diametric;no idea 537028;1393553750;BingoBoingo;circle is a vaporware 537029;1393553763;BingoBoingo;In true siliconvalley tradition 537030;1393554003;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52425 @ 0.00086453 = 45.323 BTC [+] {4} 537031;1393554036;BingoBoingo;Where's pankkake when you need him? 537032;1393554064;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00490001 = 0.98 BTC [-] 537033;1393554073;the20year;isn't mircea here ? 537034;1393554083;BingoBoingo;the20year: It is his bedtime for the week 537035;1393554090;the20year;aw 537036;1393554105;BingoBoingo;He only does this maybe twice a week, let him rest. 537037;1393554111;the20year;I know it doesn't make a difference to any of you, but I managed to come up with a mobile lighting solution for doing video inside the dumps we're buying 537038;1393554150;BingoBoingo;the20year: That actually sounds more interesting than the part where you buy dumps 537039;1393554196;BingoBoingo;Anyone in this channel remember the user midnightmagic ??? 537040;1393554392;BingoBoingo;Seriously ##mtgox-statement is quite a lulzmine 537041;1393554431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00086576 = 4.5885 BTC [+] 537042;1393554613;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.60013749 = 4.8011 BTC [-] {5} 537043;1393555187;BingoBoingo;Oh, so many lulz 537044;1393555269;MisterE;http://www.putingaydressup.com/putin/11187 537045;1393555269;ozbot;Putin #11187 by kockluvr - PutinGayDressup.com 537046;1393555272;BingoBoingo;http://dpaste.com/1668338/ 537047;1393555273;ozbot;dpaste: #1668338 537048;1393555287;MisterE;the font page is down but internal links still work 537049;1393555290;BingoBoingo;Seriously lulzy channel for people needing circuses 537050;1393555352;decimation;ascii what kind of fool would believe they have any security when someone else controls the hardware? 537051;1393555358;decimation;although that's a neat how-to manual 537052;1393555467;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.629 BTC [+] 537053;1393555498;BingoBoingo;Anyone here have favorite chapter's of Handel's Messiah? 537054;1393555528;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62999999 BTC [+] 537055;1393555589;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.635 = 1.27 BTC [+] {2} 537056;1393555610;decimation;Part 2 has the Hallelujah chorus right? 537057;1393555705;decimation;Bingo surely the winklevii didn't keep their coins on Gox right? 537058;1393555763;BingoBoingo;decimation: Th winkelviie and Secondmarket may have Gox losses 537059;1393555813;BingoBoingo;decimation: The Messiah has 53 pieces, #44 is the Hallelujah chorus 537060;1393555870;asciilifeform;decimation: what kind of fool would believe... << quite a few people. ask them, not me. 537061;1393555918;asciilifeform;the fact that the bits on a disk belong to the fellow with the keys to the room is somehow lost on them. 537062;1393555996;BingoBoingo;I totally shouldn't have drank before writing this upcoming blog post. 537063;1393556065;BingoBoingo;I can't try to read a part in this god damned score without singing it to proofread my alterations. 537064;1393556077;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00555001 = 0.1443 BTC [-] {2} 537065;1393556123;BingoBoingo;Fuck it, I'm just adapting No. 44 to blog 537066;1393556383;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00499999 = 0.13 BTC [+] 537067;1393556443;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.05456666 = 0.4911 BTC [-] {5} 537068;1393556502;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/02/27/no-44-chorus/ 537069;1393556504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.05073333 = 0.4566 BTC [-] {5} 537070;1393556505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00086499 = 15.2238 BTC [-] {2} 537071;1393556506;ozbot;No. 44 Chorus | Bingo Blog 537072;1393556706;decimation;Lol Bingo. Except Gox isn't gone, it's horde resides in stronger hands? 537073;1393556752;BingoBoingo;decimation: As far as I can tell its horde is lost to Derp and Herp 537074;1393556765;BingoBoingo;http://imgur.com/wJ6hpuJ 537075;1393556765;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 537076;1393556775;decimation;so you buy the 'lost key' story 537077;1393556808;asciilifeform;1) open bank 2) 'lose' deposit boxes full of gold 'in the sea' 3) ??? 4) profit 537078;1393556809;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 68 @ 0.0059349 = 0.4036 BTC [+] 537079;1393556820;asciilifeform;why would anyone believe the 'lost key' yarn 537080;1393556894;BingoBoingo;I've seen Ghostbusters, the Keymaster always does alright. Even if herp and derp don't 537081;1393557004;BingoBoingo;Herp and Derp have to lose their coin somehow. 537082;1393557098;decimation;well, do we believe the 'we forgot to check if the transactions were actually valid' yarn? 537083;1393557113;decimation;I'm not sure which one is more fantastic 537084;1393557139;asciilifeform;imho, MP's version is the most plausible one so far. 537085;1393557168;BingoBoingo;decimation: For a couple of weeks that was allowable, but only as a "most charitable reading which would still leave them insolvent" 537086;1393557419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00086314 = 16.0544 BTC [-] 537087;1393557445;BingoBoingo;They see /me trollin' THey hatin' 537088;1393557553;the20year;which version? 537089;1393557634;BingoBoingo;the20year: April 2013 537090;1393557724;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 350 @ 0.0059565 = 2.0848 BTC [+] {17} 537091;1393557855;decimation;So apparently MP thinks the whole thing was an insider scam run mostly be Vessenes. It's sad that the early history of bitcoin occulted by such villainy. 537092;1393557907;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 49 @ 0.005 = 0.245 BTC [+] 537093;1393557959;BingoBoingo;decimation: He probably isn't wrong. People need to see the retard spewing from ##mtgox-statement 537094;1393558456;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.606 = 1.818 BTC [-] {3} 537095;1393558701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00086563 = 7.6608 BTC [+] 537096;1393558701;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 464 @ 0.00497455 = 2.3082 BTC [-] {3} 537097;1393558763;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.107 BTC [+] 537098;1393558822;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.1071 = 0.6426 BTC [+] 537099;1393558824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28850 @ 0.00086314 = 24.9016 BTC [-] 537100;1393559677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18078 @ 0.00086291 = 15.5997 BTC [-] {2} 537101;1393560225;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.1173 = 0.5865 BTC [-] 537102;1393560408;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1173 BTC [-] 537103;1393560620;benkay;http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=3040 537104;1393560621;ozbot;The $12 Gongkai Phone « bunnie's blog 537105;1393560654;asciilifeform;benkay: famous 537106;1393560687;asciilifeform;benkay: also it 'cheats' by being 'by chinese, for chinese' - none of that paying royalties for 'arm' nonsense, etc. 537107;1393560749;benkay;how much does that run? 537108;1393560774;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 102 @ 0.00316001 = 0.3223 BTC [-] 537109;1393560779;asciilifeform;i haven't the exact figures, but the actual (physical) unit cost for most ICs is very small. 537110;1393560814;asciilifeform;as in, what it'd cost to produce it given that you're china or ussr and piss on copyrights/patents 537111;1393560873;asciilifeform;now, the very educational question of why you cannot easily buy this phone in u.s. 537112;1393560913;asciilifeform;it isn't so much that it uses 'too many' pirated bits, but the price point per se 537113;1393560980;asciilifeform;if you try to bring a crate of these to u.s., germany, etc. it will be confiscated at customs. 537114;1393561010;asciilifeform;just as soviet pdp-11s would've been, if anyone had wanted them. 537115;1393561140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00086248 = 6.0374 BTC [-] 537116;1393561164;benkay;isn't it rather the fear of being found at customs rather than the actual searches? 537117;1393561175;asciilifeform;sure 537118;1393561184;dignork;asciilifeform what would be the excuse for confiscation? lack of certifications? 537119;1393561185;benkay;i actually have no idae 537120;1393561213;asciilifeform;dignork: patent/copyright. 537121;1393561230;asciilifeform;not immediately, understand 537122;1393561245;asciilifeform;but as soon as the western rights holders complain 537123;1393561268;asciilifeform;a photo will be added to the handy binder customs officials keep 537124;1393561274;asciilifeform;this is how it typically works 537125;1393561318;asciilifeform;one can try to play 'whack-a-mole' (playing as the mole) with the customs, and some people do. 537126;1393561323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00086248 = 8.8835 BTC [-] 537127;1393561456;dignork;makes sense really, free market (assuming it's free) still requires compatible systems of laws 537128;1393561506;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.004915 = 0.1966 BTC [-] {2} 537129;1393561567;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00499997 = 0.24 BTC [+] {2} 537130;1393561568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4748 @ 0.00086278 = 4.0965 BTC [+] 537131;1393561628;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 46 @ 0.00499997 = 0.23 BTC [+] 537132;1393561783;asciilifeform;i never understood why virtually every pocket widget used ARM, which is licensed by a monopoly, vs. MIPS, which is quite similar in purpose, and 100% free. 537133;1393561830;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I imagine most arm licensees practically throw away the ARM cores they paid for licenses to fab 537134;1393561872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6501 @ 0.00086283 = 5.6093 BTC [+] {2} 537135;1393561884;BingoBoingo;What I want to know is now that MOPS based OpenRISC is very mature why can't I get a 4 ghz laptop with one of those. 537136;1393561933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8699 @ 0.00086244 = 7.5024 BTC [-] 537137;1393561936;BingoBoingo;It is far from an ideal architecture, but... 537138;1393561949;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: check out 'longsoon' co. 537139;1393561997;BingoBoingo;longsoon looses my interest with its sponsorship. 537140;1393562005;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ? 537141;1393562018;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it being chinese? 537142;1393562034;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I see no reason why chinese government should be more trustworthy than usg 537143;1393562055;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+] 537144;1393562078;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: so, which country are we to buy cpus in 537145;1393562089;asciilifeform;supply of soviet z80 clones is a non-renewable resource after all. 537146;1393562259;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I imagine don't buy CPUs, but buy understood FPGAs and force them into an acceptable image 537147;1393562329;Mats_cd03;meow 537148;1393562344;BingoBoingo;Imma be disappointed if MP can't make a dungeo session bout this http://dpaste.com/1668650/ 537149;1393562360;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0049 = 0.2695 BTC [-] {2} 537150;1393562387;asciilifeform;incidentally, our old familiar friend, prosecutor Preet Bharara: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/love/usa-v-love.htm 537151;1393562388;BingoBoingo;Seriously how many "BTC Olds" were in the gox fold 537152;1393562441;BingoBoingo;I want to get a bird and name it Preet 537153;1393562458;Apocalyptic;dat Luke 537154;1393562463;Apocalyptic;doesn't surprise me tbh 537155;1393562494;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: In his case of course not. 537156;1393562519;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: Of late your exchange hasn't exactly been reliable either 537157;1393562530;Apocalyptic;how so ? 537158;1393562538;asciilifeform;Bharara - because every century needs its Roland Freisler. 537159;1393562543;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+] 537160;1393562601;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: Every now and then t reverts to displaying stats from days earlier. Hard to describe 537161;1393562620;Apocalyptic;by "it" you mean the API ? 537162;1393562656;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: No, web interface 537163;1393562660;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it is foolish to consider diddled cpus without having a picture of the actual possibilities in mind. 537164;1393562691;Apocalyptic;BingoBoingo, huh, doesn't seem likely to me 537165;1393562699;asciilifeform;so, for instance, chinese cpu waits for the phrase 'tiananmen satoshi goatfuck' and shorts power rail to ground if this appears in the cache. 537166;1393562735;asciilifeform;it is quite true that you cannot put this kind of trap in an fpga without making the whole thing look quite ridiculous even under an optical microscope. 537167;1393562748;Apocalyptic;BingoBoingo, I haven't heard similar complaints so far 537168;1393562768;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: Do other people try to daytrade on web though. 537169;1393562770;asciilifeform;(fpga has no idea where the 'cache' will be on the fabric, or even that it will be configured as cpu rather than, say, decompressor) 537170;1393562805;asciilifeform;on the other hand, the 'listens for magic packet on radio, using power rail as antenna, and shorts power rail to ground when received' can be fit into any ic 537171;1393562813;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I mean SPARC T1 cores are open source. Unless lisp machine I see little reason to not them. 537172;1393562843;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: just describing some of the very different varieties of trap that can be set for a chip buyer 537173;1393562846;Apocalyptic;BingoBoingo, I think mike_c does 537174;1393562889;asciilifeform;i had the T1 running on a board around here somewhere. it works. 537175;1393562908;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Of course. Tis why national govt chips are worth skipping when alternatives exist. 537176;1393562919;asciilifeform;my point was that you end up trusting a big fat american duopoly when using modern fpga. 537177;1393562928;asciilifeform;and that, while certain interesting classes of attack are impossible on an fpga, 537178;1393562930;BingoBoingo;K, that might be relevant 537179;1393562943;asciilifeform;it does not follow that nothing interesting can be done to the unsuspecting buyer 537180;1393562984;BingoBoingo;OMG Luke-Jr endorsed the MPEx model "<Luke-Jr> the last 2-3 years have demonstrated that people get scammed far more often on decentralised exchanges" 537181;1393563003;asciilifeform;incidentally, xilinx might as well be run out of ft. meade 537182;1393563025;asciilifeform;it does not automatically follow that one should not buy xilinx 537183;1393563031;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: As far as I can tell Khosala lives in Ft Meade 537184;1393563036;asciilifeform;just that you should understand the implications. 537185;1393563092;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00086472 = 10.2037 BTC [+] 537186;1393563121;asciilifeform;'voodoo' fear of 'ritually tainted' hardware is counterproductive. 537187;1393563134;BingoBoingo;Prolly 537188;1393563148;asciilifeform;semiconductor is not magic, isn't cursed, one can form reasonable hypothesis about enemy action. 537189;1393563169;BingoBoingo;I kinda want an Apple II GS, i bet that can entropy without frying. 537190;1393563190;asciilifeform;whereas if you operate on 'voodoo', you will happily buy treacherous hw from 'clean' people 537191;1393563194;asciilifeform;and feel 'clean' 537192;1393563229;asciilifeform;afaik none of the '80s micros included a reasonably useful entropy source, with the possible exception of the 'commodore-64' 537193;1393563240;asciilifeform;where the sound chip had a noise diode built in 537194;1393563265;Apocalyptic;interesting 537195;1393563268;BingoBoingo;The way to appear clean though is to cage the important machines and subcribe to Cable's sports package and have a lot of CRT TV's 537196;1393563301;BingoBoingo;Drownd useful SIGINT 537197;1393563322;BingoBoingo;With 'Murican football and baseball 537198;1393563336;asciilifeform;spectrum is a big place 537199;1393563349;asciilifeform;your cpu can be heard through the neighbourhood tvs just fine. 537200;1393563370;BingoBoingo;Of course, It's why you file antennas 537201;1393563394;asciilifeform;*through the noise of 537202;1393563395;dignork;asciilifeform: there was another approach at working with unsecure hardware, maybe it was mentioned here before: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?EncryptedComputationEdited 537203;1393563410;BingoBoingo;Introducing noise as a reciever isn't too new 537204;1393563423;asciilifeform;dignork: homomorphic crypto came up here many times 537205;1393563431;dignork;:) 537206;1393563435;asciilifeform;it is worth your while to read about who is interested in it, and why 537207;1393563440;asciilifeform;i doubt that you will like the answer. 537208;1393563451;BingoBoingo;So like, Luke-Jr Got really fucked by Gox, point and laugh??? 537209;1393563463;copumpkin;why would you do that? 537210;1393563514;BitcoinKike;copumpkin: Why would I oppose the wrong kinds of fascism? 537211;1393563519;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.11019668 = 5.5098 BTC [-] {11} 537212;1393563641;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+] 537213;1393563714;asciilifeform;at the risk of repeating, anyone concerned with boobytrapped hardware should actually take the time to think about /what it could actually do/ in their scenario 537214;1393563735;asciilifeform;e.g. what, exactly, does the enemy get if he can execute an arbitrary instruction instead of the next coming one, at a given time 537215;1393563753;BitcoinKike;I have a leak to the powerline. 537216;1393563764;asciilifeform;or what does he get if it broadcasts every 16th word fetched from ram 537217;1393563768;asciilifeform;or, or, or... 537218;1393563800;dignork;asciilifeform: is there any way to grep/search in log.bitcoin-assets.com ? I mean like a month range. I can hack together some crawler, but maybe there is on already. 537219;1393563807;asciilifeform;dignork: no idea 537220;1393563856;BitcoinKike;dignork: Try nao and ask kako's forgiveness later? 537221;1393563858;asciilifeform;continuing: for instance, a chip that enthusiastically pisses bits to the power rail is perfectly usable if it never gets to share its power rail with anything 537222;1393563880;asciilifeform;(runs off battery) 537223;1393563885;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.106 = 1.06 BTC [-] {2} 537224;1393563908;asciilifeform;a chip that is suspected of broadcasting more than its 'fair share' is pefectly usable inside a miniature faraday cage 537225;1393563940;asciilifeform;and likewise for one which is thought to receive (so long as the cage is in place, and likewise supply and ground rails are filtered) 537226;1393563946;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 92 @ 0.00316001 = 0.2907 BTC [-] 537227;1393563951;BingoBoingo;OMG Luke-Jr called me a kike <Luke-Jr> BitcoinKike: lack of transparency including proof of reserves 537228;1393563962;BingoBoingo;Fucking Guinea 537229;1393563965;asciilifeform;this is an actual subject and i cannot hope to make it fit into these sound bites 537230;1393563980;asciilifeform;but i really wish people had some actual picture in their head of what it means to distrust a hardware vendor 537231;1393563987;asciilifeform;beyond simple 'ritual unclean' voodoo. 537232;1393564003;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: We know, that is why I file down aluminum cans during downtime. 537233;1393564006;dignork;BitcoinKike: afraid to ask, nao? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nao_(robot) ? 537234;1393564040;Apocalyptic;I think he meant now 537235;1393564068;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.63749393 = 3.1875 BTC [+] {4} 537236;1393564101;BingoBoingo;dignork: Accept the definition that scares you the moast? 537237;1393564129;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.10500001 = 1.365 BTC [-] {4} 537238;1393564318;Luke-Jr;BingoBoingo: please do not slander me; there is a person by that name present 537239;1393564395;BingoBoingo;Everything is everything, unless it is nothing. 537240;1393564529;BingoBoingo;I feel like a pussy nao having only faced misdemeanot charges https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=120969.0 537241;1393564556;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.63929666 = 1.9179 BTC [+] {3} 537242;1393564678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.000865 = 12.975 BTC [+] {2} 537243;1393564678;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0059898 = 0.1198 BTC [-] 537244;1393564739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0059898 = 0.1198 BTC [-] 537245;1393564744;BingoBoingo;Remember, disorderlynes is a moral imperative 537246;1393564800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00086244 = 7.5895 BTC [-] 537247;1393564861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 103 @ 0.00499483 = 0.5145 BTC [+] {3} 537248;1393564922;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.10217367 = 1.1239 BTC [-] {4} 537249;1393564943;benkay;pankkake: plz refresh assass feed. pushed to public too soon :( 537250;1393564970;BingoBoingo;benkay: Nevar too soon 537251;1393564983;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.1001 = 0.8008 BTC [-] {3} 537252;1393564986;benkay;no no there is a thing as too soon 537253;1393564989;benkay;too often, maybe not 537254;1393564992;KRS-One;.bait 537255;1393564993;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mafqg86ntz1qafu4to1_1280.jpg 537256;1393565006;benkay;bawww 537257;1393565007;KRS-One;that bait was gay 537258;1393565008;KRS-One;.bait 537259;1393565009;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/2ec1a84839ed639af3015e8b06bff00a/tumblr_mlf7w7QqoV1ruxnfbo1_1280.jpg 537260;1393565018;KRS-One;rawr 537261;1393565034;benkay;one of those girls has done this before... 537262;1393565044;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00490042 = 0.2695 BTC [-] {4} 537263;1393565045;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05863587 = 0.3518 BTC [+] {3} 537264;1393565046;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.105 = 0.42 BTC [-] 537265;1393565047;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-] 537266;1393565048;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14351 @ 0.00086116 = 12.3585 BTC [-] {2} 537267;1393565048;KRS-One;if you zoom in real close on the pubes of the girls in that pic you can get a good crotch shot 537268;1393565070;KRS-One;which one would you take? right or left? 537269;1393565078;benkay;right 537270;1393565086;benkay;TRICK QUESTION BOTH 537271;1393565105;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.64139124 = 5.1311 BTC [+] {6} 537272;1393565106;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34149 @ 0.00085914 = 29.3388 BTC [-] {2} 537273;1393565121;BingoBoingo;Remember ##mtgoc-statement is a total lolz factory ripe for pikinz 537274;1393565122;KRS-One;i would take the girl on the right, but i like blondes...the girl on the left has a fat pussy 537275;1393565166;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.646 = 3.23 BTC [+] {3} 537276;1393565288;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.10874999 = 0.435 BTC [+] {4} 537277;1393565410;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00499493 = 0.1299 BTC [+] {3} 537278;1393565411;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1001 BTC [-] 537279;1393565509;BingoBoingo;@BryceWeiner is so getting death by exile 537280;1393565654;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 314 @ 0.00056898 = 0.1787 BTC [+] {3} 537281;1393565690;BingoBoingo;##mtgox-statement is still a lulzmine 537282;1393565716;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.1001 = 0.3003 BTC [-] 537283;1393565776;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00599 = 0.1378 BTC [+] 537284;1393565778;BingoBoingo;I'm going to sleep soon and hope I keep logging that channel, but backup is necessary, because that is a lulz goldmine 537285;1393565960;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.1001 = 0.4004 BTC [-] 537286;1393566020;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05863591 = 0.2345 BTC [+] 537287;1393566021;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64 BTC [-] 537288;1393566264;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.09613161 = 1.8265 BTC [-] {5} 537289;1393566325;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.0936797 = 2.342 BTC [-] {8} 537290;1393566386;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.64552 = 3.2276 BTC [+] {3} 537291;1393566447;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00488998 = 0.1956 BTC [-] 537292;1393566569;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.005999 = 0.5999 BTC [+] 537293;1393566630;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 250 @ 0.00599947 = 1.4999 BTC [+] {3} 537294;1393566996;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 81 @ 0.006 = 0.486 BTC [+] 537295;1393567240;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4899 @ 0.00086464 = 4.2359 BTC [+] 537296;1393567412;hax0r42;how the hell did AM1 go up so much in 1 day? 537297;1393567789;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.00489997 = 0.2499 BTC [+] 537298;1393567790;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00085893 = 3.8652 BTC [-] {2} 537299;1393567850;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00489998 = 0.343 BTC [+] 537300;1393567851;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.64699 = 1.294 BTC [+] 537301;1393568094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.000865 = 9.9043 BTC [+] {2} 537302;1393568120;bloctoc_;looks like all those puts are going to expire 537303;1393568159;BingoBoingo;bloctoc_: Looks like MPOE is in the money 537304;1393568165;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 537305;1393568200;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 578.47, vol: 16020.91139690 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 558.1, vol: 14394.81461 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 577.0, vol: 11047.20318012 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 590.06, vol: 0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 566.081244, vol: 6372.01300000 | Volume-weighted last average: 570.350348155 537306;1393568245;bloctoc_;I've been looking at the price, seems good but one would have to sell bitbet to do such a thing 537307;1393568277;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.006 = 0.114 BTC [-] 537308;1393568279;BingoBoingo;Nah 537309;1393568295;BingoBoingo;The puts were sold to MPOE at what price? 537310;1393568344;bloctoc_;I don't know but it's in the bitcoin-assets archives a couple of days after the transaction 537311;1393568371;BingoBoingo;bloctoc_: It was repeated several times over those days 537312;1393568411;BingoBoingo;Fuck it, Imma sleep 537313;1393568417;bloctoc_;night 537314;1393568459;BingoBoingo;##mtgox-statement pissing me off beyond my vodka budget for a Thursday 537315;1393568522;bloctoc_;is there a way to verify mpex has possession of coins? 537316;1393568826;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.00489998 = 0.3038 BTC [+] 537317;1393569009;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4000 @ 0.004614 = 18.456 BTC [-] {35} 537318;1393569558;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.0048998 = 0.2058 BTC [+] {4} 537319;1393569619;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00489981 = 0.1911 BTC [+] {2} 537320;1393569802;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform gotta love it when the thesaurus is longer than the poem 537321;1393569886;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: the guy doesnt know they squated it themselves < clearly there's no relation between jesse and the gang. 537322;1393569924;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.636 BTC [-] 537323;1393569940;mircea_popescu;benkay: dat mpoe < what be you mathing thar ? 537324;1393570088;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun: anyone interested in startups here? << ahahaha epic. 537325;1393570132;mircea_popescu;isn;t this the guy who didn't have the time to either a) get with the program or b) read the indicated article detailing the unsuccessful attempts of the last nitwit who thought he's too good to do what he's told on the grounds of well... he's special ? 537326;1393570505;mircea_popescu;diametric: the latest trend is that Mark is under a gag order << you happen to be familiar with the trials and tribulations of the public opinion during any of the large eastern european ponzi collapses ? 537327;1393570531;mircea_popescu;like the russki MMM, or romania's caritas (or later fni), or albania's rebellion of 1997 ? 537328;1393570587;mircea_popescu;the20year2 what of me ? 537329;1393570606;mircea_popescu;gee whiz, look at all the people i want to talk to, and i have barely just woken up. 537330;1393570618;Apocalyptic;<mircea_popescu> like the russki MMM, or romania's caritas (or later fni), or albania's rebellion of 1997 ? // we had this BMG Invest in Slovakia 537331;1393570625;mircea_popescu;a so you did, yea. 537332;1393570648;mircea_popescu;generally the objects of the abject populace's fixations end up quite... jesus-ied. 537333;1393570703;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo midnightmagic is an old time miner with a very naive set of strongly held notions. 537334;1393570717;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.021399 = 0.214 BTC [+] 537335;1393570750;MagicalFag;just got a $a: ban on ##mtgox-chat, such fun 537336;1393570778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8574 @ 0.00086337 = 7.4025 BTC [-] 537337;1393570783;mircea_popescu;lmao who the fuck bothers banning people on deadman's chat 537338;1393570799;KRS-One;.bait 537339;1393570800;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/7b62966269d851196c7a3d0d16edf507/tumblr_n0y1ksjL6n1r1rxrbo1_500.png 537340;1393570807;KRS-One;.bait 537341;1393570808;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/a8861d68fe4bd21af374b91ba093a890/tumblr_n0y1nhj33q1r1rxrbo1_1280.png 537342;1393570816;KRS-One;.bait 537343;1393570817;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/7fd4a56fa8f3fa63ec7831a41ea1243b/tumblr_mzh2539PQd1sltft3o1_1280.jpg 537344;1393570828;KRS-One;fap fap..nite. 537345;1393570865;mircea_popescu;you seriously jack off to that stuff ?! 537346;1393570893;KRS-One;Sure..Lets talk about your love life now. 537347;1393570915;mircea_popescu;but... it's a woman in a bra o.O 537348;1393570919;KRS-One;=) 537349;1393570920;KRS-One;haha 537350;1393570941;KRS-One;I go to the strip club once a week. You would be suprised what you can get there being a regular. 537351;1393570961;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.00489899 = 0.3527 BTC [+] 537352;1393570966;mircea_popescu;i used to own a few. why'd i be surprised ?! 537353;1393570973;KRS-One;I get out quite often when I'm not working as much too.. I like the bachelor's life. 537354;1393570982;mircea_popescu;uh. 537355;1393570999;mircea_popescu;you know that's possibly the least efficient way to buy sex, do you 537356;1393571018;KRS-One;Not trying to suprise you, I don't know much about you. 537357;1393571024;mircea_popescu;few do. 537358;1393571083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10501 BTC [-] 537359;1393571085;mircea_popescu;decimation: So apparently MP thinks the whole thing was an insider scam run mostly be Vessenes. << if by "thing" you mean "Bitcoin Foundation", then yes. 537360;1393571100;KRS-One;Its getting late here. Have a great day- 537361;1393571174;mircea_popescu;laters. 537362;1393571266;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00472009 = 0.2124 BTC [-] {3} 537363;1393571314;mircea_popescu;o look at that, Luke-Jr needs to learn to listen to mp. 537364;1393571354;Luke-Jr;why? 537365;1393571363;mircea_popescu;because you'd still have 70% of your savings, that's why. 537366;1393571416;Luke-Jr;I didn't know you had access to MtGox's code 537367;1393571430;mircea_popescu;there's a lot of things you didn't know. but the fact that i said mtgox is going down, you knew. 537368;1393571448;mircea_popescu;next time, listen. it's not like it's coming out of my pocket if you don't, you know ? 537369;1393571454;Luke-Jr;oh, so I'm supposed to just believe everything you say but can't/won't provide evidence for? 537370;1393571457;mircea_popescu;nope. 537371;1393571496;mircea_popescu;you're supposed to listen to it. there's a fucking difference. 537372;1393571524;Luke-Jr;if I knew it, then I must have listened to you say it. 537373;1393571534;mircea_popescu;notrly. 537374;1393571536;Luke-Jr;and thought you were full of crap since you couldn't substantiate it 537375;1393571546;mircea_popescu;yeah well, see, that's a broken implication there. 537376;1393571561;mircea_popescu;or two. however you count. 537377;1393571596;Luke-Jr;mircea_popescu: did *you* steal the bitcoins? 537378;1393571609;Apocalyptic;heh 537379;1393571612;mircea_popescu;if we had the luxury of discarding anything of reality that doesn't conveniently fit with our theoreitcal system, we wouldn't for instance be stuckl with quantum mechanics. 537380;1393571613;Luke-Jr;because right now, it sounds like you're implicitly confessing 537381;1393571618;mircea_popescu;newtonian physics'd have been just fine, 537382;1393571627;mircea_popescu;Luke-Jr no, it just sounds like you still have issues listening. 537383;1393571648;mircea_popescu;i get that you're very emotionally invested in this "master of all i survey" nonsense, but that's not how reality works. 537384;1393571657;Luke-Jr;the only way to know MtGox was going down like this, is if you had evidence, or you were behind it 537385;1393571664;Luke-Jr;and you clearly did not have evidence 537386;1393571667;mircea_popescu;lmao 537387;1393571669;mircea_popescu;because why. 537388;1393571680;Apocalyptic;having evidence is different from diclosing it 537389;1393571683;mircea_popescu;because i live in Luke-Jr world, where if Luke-Jr asks i am forced to comply ? 537390;1393571712;Luke-Jr;Apocalyptic: yes, but mircea_popescu is generally clueless too 537391;1393571725;mircea_popescu;i guess 30% of your savings is too much for you huh. 537392;1393571728;mircea_popescu;aite, carry on. 537393;1393571797;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is foolish to consider diddled cpus without having a picture of the actual possibilities in mind. <<< now how does this follow ?! 537394;1393571798;Luke-Jr;mircea_popescu: just because you're right for once in your life, does not mean you will be right ever again 537395;1393571813;mircea_popescu;Luke-Jr apparently your one-bit counter is well smashed. 537396;1393571822;mircea_popescu;add some overflow control there. 537397;1393571960;Apocalyptic;reading some article about this BMG ponzi 537398;1393571970;Apocalyptic;"Naivety multiplied by greed made the existence of such investment schemes possible in Slovakia" // like it's any different in any other ponzi 537399;1393571993;mircea_popescu;well... it just *feels* different each time. 537400;1393572021;mircea_popescu;people have this amazing facility, guy goes out with girl, its their first time, it feels like the first time. kids have been fucking for a while now, it's anything but novel in any sense. 537401;1393572021;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 537402;1393572021;Apocalyptic;maybe, it certainly fundamentally isn't though 537403;1393572023;mircea_popescu;nevertheless... 537404;1393572059;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.04506296 = 0.3605 BTC [-] {4} 537405;1393572078;mircea_popescu;and then she gets pregnant/catches the clap/gets dumped and her mom is like lolz and she's like "o mom, just because you were right ONCE IN YOUR LYFF!!! 537406;1393572087;mircea_popescu;doesn't mean you'll ever be right ever again ever eleventy!" 537407;1393572121;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.10487564 = 0.3146 BTC [+] 537408;1393572182;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.10487564 BTC [+] 537409;1393572197;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo : perhaps a good alternative is to buy a chinese and a usg and use them in paralel. 537410;1393572207;mircea_popescu;they can only do that which they agree on. 537411;1393572301;chetty;lol great recipe for any government 537412;1393572333;mircea_popescu;copumpkin how much did you have on gox ? if its not sikrit. 537413;1393572375;mircea_popescu;so far this is starting to feel like pirate all over again. in may "but mp! how can you irresponsibly let the pr chick say mean things about this important biznis for bitcoin, we know shit. we're twelve after all!" 537414;1393572391;mircea_popescu;then in oct "well... we're out of the game nao. was nice being part of it all blablabla" 537415;1393572455;mircea_popescu;dignork i use local logs for that purpose. log website only does daybased, and i suppose global search may be a little cpu intensive as a publicly exposed service. 537416;1393573078;mircea_popescu;;;later tell greenspan_fan i actually shot the last psych guy an email. figured he'd prolly like to know :p 537417;1393573078;gribble;The operation succeeded. 537418;1393573157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00086085 = 19.6704 BTC [-] {2} 537419;1393573203;mircea_popescu;benkay re the assass feed : trilema has a 15 minute rss delay built in for that very reason. maybe you should implement something like it. 537420;1393573218;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60000001 BTC [-] 537421;1393573223;mircea_popescu;i mostly use it when i manage to typo in one of my booklet length titles. 537422;1393573363;mircea_popescu;bloctoc_ not really. 537423;1393573463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00085872 = 13.7825 BTC [-] 537424;1393573485;mircea_popescu;"When using only an HD wallet design, you can regenerate the wallet (and all of the addresses) at any time using a seed which can be presented as a mnemonic string of words, without reducing the amount of entrophy like brain wallets do." 537425;1393573501;mircea_popescu;now how the hell does this work, entropy cheese ? 537426;1393573604;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, btw I always wondered why the polimedia servers were in the US 537427;1393573620;mircea_popescu;where are you / 537428;1393573645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00086337 = 8.2452 BTC [+] {2} 537429;1393573828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15581 @ 0.00086626 = 13.4972 BTC [+] {4} 537430;1393573845;Apocalyptic;Switzerland 537431;1393573921;mircea_popescu;prolly routes you faster that way. 537432;1393574030;mircea_popescu;"There shouldn't be "insiders" in #Bitcoin - that's kinda the point of Bitcoin." 537433;1393574045;mircea_popescu;dude how is it that everyone takes it for granted they personally know what "the point of Bitcoin" is 537434;1393574048;mircea_popescu;for crying out loud already. 537435;1393574065;mircea_popescu;"i shouldn't still be a virgin, kinda the point of bitcoin!!1" 537436;1393574073;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 217 @ 0.0055 = 1.1935 BTC 537437;1393574367;chetty;<mircea_popescu> "i shouldn't still be a virgin, kinda the point of bitcoin!! <<<< it isn't????? 537438;1393574373;mircea_popescu;lol 537439;1393574390;mircea_popescu;i guess it has resolved a lot of financial and mental hymens 537440;1393574418;benkay`;http://ultra-coin.com/index.php/homes/item/8-bitcoin-2-0-aka-ultra-coin-bitcoin-s-derivative-layer-that-allows-the-virtual-to-control-real-things-featured 537441;1393574419;ozbot;Reggie Middleton's UltraCoin - Bitcoin 2.0, aka Ultra Coin: Bitcoin's Derivative Layer That Allows T 537442;1393574511;benkay`;http://bitblu.com/ 537443;1393574512;ozbot;Bitblu - crypto investment management 537444;1393574525;benkay`;"Crypto-currency investment is hard..." 537445;1393574559;mircea_popescu;who's running it ? 537446;1393574603;mircea_popescu;i don't mean the newest scamcoin, i get it, Reggie Middleton is a random noob who figures that he's special and doesn't need to first spend his six months reading here. 537447;1393574609;mircea_popescu;i mean the blu thing 537448;1393574614;benkay`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289683.0 537449;1393574615;ozbot;Bitblu is recruiting our co-founder CTO 537450;1393574643;mircea_popescu;lol nm 537451;1393574649;benkay`;bitcointalk *has* a search bar, mircea_popescu 537452;1393574663;mircea_popescu;"Great job on the Bitblu website. It looks awesome, even in beta!! Can't wait to try it out " 537453;1393574706;mircea_popescu;lol all this crap. 537454;1393574743;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 71 @ 0.00575 = 0.4083 BTC [+] 537455;1393574754;benkay`;wow dealco is still around? 537456;1393574791;mircea_popescu;why wouldn't it be ? 537457;1393574802;mircea_popescu;scams don't go away anymore, they just age and reemerge, goat style. 537458;1393574804;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02199998 = 0.132 BTC [+] 537459;1393574865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5004 @ 0.00086541 = 4.3305 BTC [-] {3} 537460;1393575109;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.10487562 = 0.3146 BTC [-] 537461;1393575110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16277 @ 0.00085984 = 13.9956 BTC [-] 537462;1393575208;mircea_popescu;what is everyone's favourite bitcoin charting service these days ? 537463;1393575274;dexX7;http://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitstamp/btcusd i guess 537464;1393575393;kakobrekla;rtbtc 537465;1393575404;mircea_popescu;aha 537466;1393575475;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-] 537467;1393575549;mircea_popescu;bitcoincharts seems to have finally croaked 537468;1393575571;benkay`;hey everyone did you know that real companies are built on professionally curated data feeds? 537469;1393575578;benkay`;kinda hard to believe, but true. 537470;1393575585;benkay`;WTF BITCOIN 537471;1393575658;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00487998 = 0.976 BTC [-] {5} 537472;1393575778;mircea_popescu;derp. 537473;1393575784;mircea_popescu;it's only 2014, what's the rush. 537474;1393575826;anddam;hello 537475;1393575840;mircea_popescu;;;later tell duffer1 hey, you have a compatriot here : anddam 537476;1393575841;gribble;The operation succeeded. 537477;1393575854;anddam;will keep that in mind 537478;1393575878;anddam;actually there are a few on btctalk but the tone of threads is childish more often than not 537479;1393575891;benkay`;anddam you troll for money? 537480;1393575915;mircea_popescu;where was that link to that post of duffy's 537481;1393575938;anddam;benkay`: troll as in fishing? 537482;1393575962;mircea_popescu;anddam https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=353439.msg3783469#msg3783469 537483;1393575964;mircea_popescu;there you go 537484;1393576005;mircea_popescu;"Load failed, retry after 5 seconds. Probably Reason BitcoinWisdom is temporary down Domain is not bitcoinwisdom.com Network issue" 537485;1393576009;mircea_popescu;i am guess javascript issue ? 537486;1393576048;mircea_popescu;http://blockchain.info/charts/market-price << this is lulzy in its looks lol 537487;1393576051;ozbot;Bitcoin Market Price (USD) 537488;1393576085;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00086718 = 12.1405 BTC [+] 537489;1393576096;davout;does anyone know about some spreadhseet software that uses decimals instead of floats? 537490;1393576110;davout;ie. that can count 537491;1393576110;FabianB;btcoincharts is probably the only one that works without js 537492;1393576121;mircea_popescu;https://bitcoinity.org/markets?theme=light seems fine. 537493;1393576124;ozbot;bitcoinity.org/markets 537494;1393576137;mircea_popescu;davout wasn't open office settable to use fixed point ? 537495;1393576139;benkay`;if you look sideways at the TATINVESTMENTS logo you can see a WTF 537496;1393576139;davout;i'm mildly satisfied with my accounting delta being -0,000000000000206057393370429 537497;1393576154;davout;mircea_popescu: thanks! i'll have a look 537498;1393576172;anddam;davout: I don't but is rounding error with floats that important? 537499;1393576191;davout;anddam: accounting is right or it isn't, it can't be sort-of right 537500;1393576195;benkay`;i will come harp at you over rounding errors of less than a satoshi anddam 537501;1393576210;benkay`;ask mircea_popescu 537502;1393576215;anddam;davout: when you use floating point arithmetic it can 537503;1393576245;davout;anddam: "does anyone know about some spreadhseet software that uses decimals instead of floats?" <<< hence the question :D 537504;1393576252;mircea_popescu;i suppose the concept here is that math will have to suit the task, not the othjer way around 537505;1393576288;davout;anddam: what's to tell me it doesn't compound in weird ways ? 537506;1393576289;anddam;well, math would be exact, but when you're using a computer you're using an approximation 537507;1393576308;davout;anddam: except when you're using decimals 537508;1393576311;anddam;math is ideal, at least the one that was taught to me 537509;1393576329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00086811 = 10.6778 BTC [+] 537510;1393576345;davout;anyway i'll look into OO 537511;1393576390;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.09837502 = 3.935 BTC [-] {8} 537512;1393576437;benkay`;anddam: bitcoin is also ideal, and calls for ideal accounting. 537513;1393576449;benkay`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348977.msg3738626#msg3738626 537514;1393576452;ozbot;This is the story of your loss. 537515;1393576461;benkay`;what a twizt! 537516;1393576551;mircea_popescu;http://dc-charts.com/chart_btc.php << best so far imo 537517;1393576578;mircea_popescu;course, it seems mtgox bound 537518;1393576612;mircea_popescu;no nm, it isn't 537519;1393576634;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-] 537520;1393576817;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [-] 537521;1393577122;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1291 @ 0.00459637 = 5.9339 BTC [-] {25} 537522;1393577213;mircea_popescu;so i'm hammering out the mpoe announcement for this month. 537523;1393577226;mircea_popescu;word of warning to the news people following : it's gonna be pretty massive. 537524;1393577250;Apocalyptic;massive sounds good 537525;1393577549;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00450006 = 1.8 BTC [-] {9} 537526;1393577610;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00450006 = 1.125 BTC [-] {6} 537527;1393577671;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 25 @ 0.0390015 = 0.975 BTC [-] {3} 537528;1393577801;HeySteve2;mircea_popescu, please private me regarding the news if I don't respond here 537529;1393577846;mircea_popescu;you know it will be soon after midnight gmt. 537530;1393577902;HeySteve2;ok I will look for it then 537531;1393577916;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.095 = 0.38 BTC [-] 537532;1393578159;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6 = 2.4 BTC [-] 537533;1393578220;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 238 @ 0.00469412 = 1.1172 BTC [+] {6} 537534;1393578281;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 232 @ 0.0047 = 1.0904 BTC [+] 537535;1393578282;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.09084863 = 2.998 BTC [-] {5} 537536;1393578321;davout;mircea_popescu: delicious EXERCISE? 537537;1393578342;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00440003 = 0.286 BTC [-] {6} 537538;1393578465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00086828 = 10.8535 BTC [+] {2} 537539;1393578891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26450 @ 0.00086706 = 22.9337 BTC [-] {2} 537540;1393579013;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00420003 = 0.84 BTC [-] {5} 537541;1393579135;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 155 @ 0.00418413 = 0.6485 BTC [-] {4} 537542;1393579196;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6359998 = 1.272 BTC [+] 537543;1393579197;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00411001 = 0.2178 BTC [-] 537544;1393579257;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 474 @ 0.00410377 = 1.9452 BTC [-] {8} 537545;1393579318;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 388 @ 0.00413057 = 1.6027 BTC [+] {7} 537546;1393579618;MisterE;shit, btc-e is down 537547;1393579637;MisterE;says maintenance... 537548;1393579766;wao-ender;and ddos was yday on their twitter 537549;1393580172;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00414999 = 0.1245 BTC [+] {2} 537550;1393580233;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 59 @ 0.00415 = 0.2449 BTC [+] {2} 537551;1393580355;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7690 @ 0.00086438 = 6.6471 BTC [-] 537552;1393580360;Apocalyptic;https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/439333233013309440 537553;1393580361;ozbot;Twitter / WSJ: Breaking: Mt. Gox has filed ... 537554;1393580453;kakobrekla;dont tell me you are john kenney :D 537555;1393580477;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.08999997 = 0.9 BTC [-] {3} 537556;1393580538;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.08999998 = 0.45 BTC [+] {2} 537557;1393580539;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 90 @ 0.0055 = 0.495 BTC 537558;1393580599;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.09497999 = 0.19 BTC [+] 537559;1393580661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00086813 = 3.3857 BTC [+] 537560;1393580907;Apocalyptic;<anarchystar> bitcoins just got ignored 537561;1393580907;Apocalyptic;<anarchystar> total insanity 537562;1393580907;Apocalyptic;<anarchystar> bye bye btc claims 537563;1393580923;Apocalyptic;hum that could set a precedent about btc liabilities during liquidations 537564;1393580990;dexX7;what's the context? was there any statement about a potential fiat bailout? 537565;1393580992;jurov;Apocalyptic: there isn't any other way 537566;1393581019;Apocalyptic;jurov, isn't there ? 537567;1393581051;jurov;where would they get bitcoins to resolve liabilities otherwise? 537568;1393581176;Apocalyptic;they wouldn't need to get them, just price them in the liability sheets 537569;1393581258;jurov;that has potential to create a mess 537570;1393581264;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic pretty much already established precedent. 537571;1393581299;Apocalyptic;mircea, wasn't aware, what case are you referring to ? 537572;1393581302;jurov;if i had usd-only position at time of bankruptcy, why should i share my claim with people who had btc-only positions? 537573;1393581318;jurov;and even if, what is the fair btc price here? 537574;1393581329;wbaw;kakobrekla, I'm John Kenney 537575;1393581331;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00468997 = 0.1172 BTC [+] {3} 537576;1393581372;kakobrekla;o look, now you are on two of my screens :) 537577;1393581376;wbaw;so is the bet closed or what? 537578;1393581392;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.63599999 = 5.724 BTC [+] {2} 537579;1393581411;kakobrekla;mods close the bets when it needs to be, you can leave them a message on bitbet comments 537580;1393581434;wbaw;their lawyer just made an announcement 537581;1393581446;wbaw;that seems to satisfy the bet? 537582;1393581458;jurov;yes, put the link into bitbet comment 537583;1393581464;jurov;and let them do their job 537584;1393581539;Apocalyptic;<jurov> and even if, what is the fair btc price here? // hard to find a definitive answer here, but you can still can pick a reasonable one 537585;1393581573;jurov;that's anything betwen 100 and 500 537586;1393581581;Apocalyptic;<jurov> if i had usd-only position at time of bankruptcy // that's kinda irrelevant 537587;1393581602;wao-ender;lul https://twitter.com/The_K_meister/status/439338278496374784 537588;1393581734;jurov;Apocalyptic: why irrelevant? bankruptcy law applies only to fiat, it says nothing about BTC. Attempts to shoehorn BTC in there can be disastrous. 537589;1393581808;jurov;Listing BTC that are left on the papers and trying to pay them out would be Karpeles goodwill attempt, nothing more. 537590;1393581819;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.09064826 = 2.6288 BTC [-] {5} 537591;1393581867;jurov;ianal, though. 537592;1393581880;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [-] 537593;1393582124;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00605 = 0.121 BTC [+] 537594;1393582185;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00086813 = 6.5978 BTC [+] 537595;1393582185;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.09 = 0.9 BTC [-] {3} 537596;1393582368;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 297 @ 0.00430679 = 1.2791 BTC [-] {4} 537597;1393582429;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.09 = 0.18 BTC [-] 537598;1393582491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23710 @ 0.00086841 = 20.59 BTC [+] {3} 537599;1393582551;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00606001 = 0.1576 BTC [+] 537600;1393582612;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00608813 = 0.1583 BTC [+] {4} 537601;1393582613;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0529 = 0.2116 BTC [+] 537602;1393582673;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1054 @ 0.00018498 = 0.195 BTC [+] 537603;1393582690;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic for instance the bitcoinica executors, couldn't care less about the btc. 537604;1393582734;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6175 @ 0.00018631 = 1.1505 BTC [+] {7} 537605;1393582736;mircea_popescu;anyway, jurov pretty much has it i think. 537606;1393582795;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1557 @ 0.00018902 = 0.2943 BTC [+] {3} 537607;1393582856;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5807 @ 0.00019199 = 1.1149 BTC [+] {4} 537608;1393582932;wbaw;TOKYO—A lawyer for Mt. Gox announced at a news conference at the Tokyo District Court that the embattled bitcoin exchange was filing for bankruptcy protection and that Mt. Gox had outstanding debt of about ¥6.5 billion ($63.6 million). 537609;1393582978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00086393 = 13.3909 BTC [-] {2} 537610;1393582988;wbaw;... Yes prevails if there is an official announcement of the end of operations 537611;1393583002;wbaw;bet is still open, what a joke 537612;1393583009;mircea_popescu;ikr? 537613;1393583050;wbaw;glad i didn't put more on it 537614;1393583075;jurov;wbaw why such haste? 537615;1393583096;wbaw;jurov, could you bet on a football match after the result is known? 537616;1393583097;mircea_popescu;o hey, us attorney general just jumped out of a window. 537617;1393583100;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 986 @ 0.00444372 = 4.3815 BTC [+] {3} 537618;1393583103;wbaw;bookmakers should be fast 537619;1393583106;mircea_popescu;this is now the revolving window of finance and government. 537620;1393583113;wbaw;and trustworthy 537621;1393583118;mircea_popescu;wbaw you know they'll refund bets that are late anyway 537622;1393583127;wbaw;and not let people bet after the outcome is known 537623;1393583135;wbaw;1% fee 537624;1393583161;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 284 @ 0.00428984 = 1.2183 BTC [-] {5} 537625;1393583184;mircea_popescu;uh what happened to this thing 537626;1393583188;mircea_popescu;!t h neobee 537627;1393583189;assbot;[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00404101 / 0.00509159 / 0.00599998 (47908 shares, 243.92785559 BTC), 7D: 0.00278000 / 0.0046028 / 0.00600000 (417443 shares, 1921.40502491 BTC), 30D: 0.00261000 / 0.00422003 / 0.00600000 (543824 shares, 2294.95111460 BTC) 537628;1393583216;wbaw;it's an hour since the announcement 537629;1393583230;wbaw;that's not haste 537630;1393583269;wbaw;that's expecting normal service 537631;1393583388;mircea_popescu;hey did they close it yet ? 537632;1393583477;wbaw;mt.gox closed days ago 537633;1393583482;wbaw;the bet hasn't 537634;1393583506;mircea_popescu;outrageous. 537635;1393583546;dexX7;it's pending? 537636;1393583585;dexX7;*closed 537637;1393583593;dexX7;whatever 537638;1393583615;wbaw;at least its a warning not to use the site again & stick with reputable bookmakers 537639;1393583626;mircea_popescu;yeah srsly. 537640;1393583648;mircea_popescu;there are very many reputable bookmakers in btc outside of bitbet. 537641;1393583667;wbaw;i'll ask william hill next time 537642;1393583675;wbaw;he seems ok 537643;1393583687;wbaw;and he has a shop around the corner from me 537644;1393583692;wbaw;so stop messing about 537645;1393583697;mircea_popescu;makes sense. 537646;1393583771;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 105 @ 0.004222 = 0.4433 BTC [-] {3} 537647;1393583809;dexX7;http://s27.postimg.org/itf060ixv/gox_bankrupt.jpg :D 537648;1393583832;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00609998 = 0.305 BTC [+] 537649;1393583848;wbaw;how official does it need to be if their company lawyer announcing it outside a court isn't enough? 537650;1393583893;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 98 @ 0.00609999 = 0.5978 BTC [+] {2} 537651;1393583922;Duffer1;they're only claiming 64m in liabilities? 537652;1393583948;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 not really in their interest to include everything. 537653;1393583954;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.635 BTC [-] 537654;1393583955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.053 = 0.212 BTC [+] 537655;1393583956;Duffer1;lol 537656;1393583980;mircea_popescu;wbaw hey, how does irl betting work ? i've never done it 537657;1393583981;Duffer1;i know, i'm just shocked at the gall 537658;1393583990;mircea_popescu;so you go to the shop around the corner and what happens ? 537659;1393584007;wbaw;mircea_popescu, i walk into a shop, place a bet, get fixed odds & a betting receipt 537660;1393584015;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 that's basically why people need lawyers for. average joe can't possibly summon all the needed gall for even trivial legal proceedings 537661;1393584020;mircea_popescu;wbaw ok. and once you win ? 537662;1393584022;wbaw;then when it wins i claim my payout in cash 537663;1393584026;mircea_popescu;how ? 537664;1393584028;Duffer1;ya apparently 537665;1393584031;wbaw;i go to the shop 537666;1393584037;wbaw;and they pay out 537667;1393584042;mircea_popescu;so what if you get caught in traffic ? 537668;1393584044;wbaw;when the result is known 537669;1393584061;wbaw;then i get my payout a few minutes later 537670;1393584067;mircea_popescu;and what if there's a queue ? 537671;1393584069;wbaw;but, it's walking distance anyway 537672;1393584082;wbaw;then i go to a shop with more staff 537673;1393584089;mircea_popescu;but that may be farther away. 537674;1393584126;wbaw;there are 5 or 6 within a short walk, but i think william hill is the only one that takes random bets like this 537675;1393584137;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00609999 = 3.05 BTC [+] {3} 537676;1393584138;mircea_popescu;and to take this full seinfeld, what if you accidentally get triple-action moisturizer with uva on your ticket and now it's illegible ? 537677;1393584162;wbaw;mircea_popescu, they keep a record of all the bets 537678;1393584169;mircea_popescu;aha 537679;1393584177;mircea_popescu;so you need what, your id ? 537680;1393584180;wbaw;you've never visited a real bookmaker? 537681;1393584184;mircea_popescu;nope. 537682;1393584193;wbaw;you need the details of the bet 537683;1393584203;wbaw;time, amount, etc 537684;1393584206;mircea_popescu;generally all those i've seen are dingy affairs in the poor parts of town, 537685;1393584213;mircea_popescu;where the cash checking and pond shops are 537686;1393584226;wbaw;they're huge companies here in the uk 537687;1393584244;mircea_popescu;huge companies they are everywhere, but still, much in the way mcdonalds is a huge company : 537688;1393584261;mircea_popescu;a huge company made out of a lot of small, smelly, dingy little outifits. 537689;1393584265;wbaw;when i pay for a burger at mcdonalds they usually give me one 537690;1393584277;wbaw;without much fuss 537691;1393584290;mircea_popescu;yeah but once you'll graduate to restaurants you'll maybe notice you order and then wait 537692;1393584290;wbaw;same when i pay for a bet at a bookmaker 537693;1393584295;wbaw;except this one 537694;1393584320;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10087 @ 0.00086358 = 8.7109 BTC [-] 537695;1393584337;mircea_popescu;anyway, don't sweat it, i'm sure you'll have it by tomorrow, whatever it is. 537696;1393584345;wbaw;you really shouldn't still be accepting bets, it's just to take fees for nothing or skew the odds 537697;1393584383;mircea_popescu;what do you mean for nothing ? 537698;1393584397;mircea_popescu;someone betting after the event is known seems something. 537699;1393584399;wbaw;you take a 1% fee from returned bets, says on your site 537700;1393584412;mircea_popescu;surely. 537701;1393584420;mircea_popescu;meanwhile : A talking parrot has helped Indian police crack an intriguing murder mystery and led the cops to arrest the killer. 537702;1393584432;mircea_popescu;go preet go! 537703;1393584442;wbaw;so, what is an official announcement? 537704;1393584453;wbaw;for the context of that bet? 537705;1393584461;mircea_popescu;dood, i'm sure it's good enough, a mod needs to get to it. 537706;1393584468;mircea_popescu;stop sweatin' it, srsly. 537707;1393584468;wbaw;because it seems pretty official 537708;1393584473;mircea_popescu;yeah. 537709;1393584511;chetty;Seriously whats the rush? Not like you can get interest on BTC 537710;1393584523;wbaw;should have faster service instead of acting like you're not trying to compete with huge companies with customer support teams 537711;1393584564;mircea_popescu;i actually am not competing with huge companies for the favours of you. 537712;1393584585;chetty;hmm what huge company with lots of support team takes btc bets? I might want to check that out 537713;1393584619;mircea_popescu;if you're curious as to how that goes, see http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/ 537714;1393584621;cazalla;didn't you know bitbet was a scam wbaw? 537715;1393584636;cazalla;talk to snackman lol 537716;1393584637;wbaw;i didn't realise before, cazalla 537717;1393584643;mircea_popescu;bah i can't believe i gave out the wrong link 537718;1393584651;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/strategic-superiority-a-saga/ < that. 537719;1393584652;ozbot;Strategic superiority, a saga pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 537720;1393584659;cazalla;wrong links, slow payouts, what's happening mircea_popescu 537721;1393584673;mircea_popescu;Up until recently it was practically impossible to become embroiled into any sort of dealing with the subgroup, their ownership being strictly assumed and their lives strictly subsumed by the corporations competent at dealing with the human cattle : fastfood providers, supermarkets, the government. Both as employers and providers these specialised bureaucracies have the necessary tools, including cattle prods (or whate 537722;1393584673;mircea_popescu;ver theyre called now, non-lethal something or the other) to correctly handle them. They have the chemicals, theyve done the research, know the behavioural patterns, have the walls all built to obstruct vision, living arrangements all thought through and everything. 537723;1393584673;mircea_popescu;Bitcoin suddenly opened the gate. It is a poisonous offering. You are grossly unequipped to interact straight with the refuse of Western society. Accepting investors with fortunes under a million dollars or whatever the limit was placed for US citizens may make sense. Accepting investors with fortunes under any arbitrary value and simultaneously wits under any arbitrary threshold is not a sound business plan but a stra 537724;1393584677;mircea_popescu;tegic mistake. 537725;1393584679;mircea_popescu;cazalla yeah srsly. 537726;1393584730;wbaw;i'm not saying it's a scam, just you should act a bit faster to protect your customers 537727;1393584749;wbaw;like your competitors do 537728;1393584752;mircea_popescu;but you're in no way at risk. if people bet after the fact hey just get charged a small fine 537729;1393584757;mircea_popescu;it doesn't impact your bet in any way. 537730;1393584771;mircea_popescu;and while it'd be ideal to move faster, it's also ideal not to make mistakes, and not to cost an infinity. 537731;1393584780;wbaw;how do people know it's after the fact if the bet is still open? 537732;1393584784;mircea_popescu;these are the three ends of the triangle : how much it costs, how secure it is, how fast it goes. 537733;1393584793;cazalla;ask snackman, he knows the answer to that one wbaw 537734;1393584793;mircea_popescu;every business will make a choice as you can't have all three. 537735;1393584802;wbaw;you could close betting while you reach a decision 537736;1393584802;mircea_popescu;wbaw ideally people bet on things they know. 537737;1393584827;cazalla;wbaw, why not use it to your advantage and bet on some props where the outcome is already known? 537738;1393584835;mircea_popescu;ouch 537739;1393584844;wbaw;cazalla, because i'd be paying 1% for nothing 537740;1393584846;Apocalyptic;<ATH5> "There was a weakness in the system, and the bitcoins disappeared" << Karpeles live 537741;1393584889;mircea_popescu;the lyf and tymes. 537742;1393584910;wbaw;and that's what it's about, taking those 1%s & fuck repeat custom 537743;1393584930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00086863 = 3.7351 BTC [+] 537744;1393584932;cazalla;that feel when gox coins are gone http://img.pandawhale.com/87000-Antonio-Banderas-OH-YEAH-gif-c-5cCi.gif 537745;1393584946;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m85mfiVxwC1ru15g3o1_500.jpg 537746;1393584950;mircea_popescu;there was a weakness in the system 537747;1393584953;mircea_popescu;her clothes are now gone 537748;1393585015;Apocalyptic;"<maz0> Teikoku Data Bank, Japans largest and most respected credit-rating agency, in July of last year reviewed the company and gave it a D4, the worst possible rating a company can receive on their scale. One of the reasons for the low rating was the lack of qualified accounting staff at the company." mircea is there any truth to that N 537749;1393585068;wbaw;how can you run any business without looking at your competition? 537750;1393585082;wbaw;and how they do business 537751;1393585090;mircea_popescu;wbaw how can they ? 537752;1393585111;wbaw;what do you mean? 537753;1393585113;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic yeah afaik 537754;1393585124;mircea_popescu;wbaw how can your williams whoever do business without looking at bitbet. 537755;1393585137;wbaw;mircea_popescu, they were here first 537756;1393585146;mircea_popescu;in bitcoin ? i dun think so. 537757;1393585151;wbaw;and they're the big name, not the new competitor 537758;1393585166;wbaw;so it's all different because of the currency? 537759;1393585170;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic http://www.tdb.co.jp/tosan/syosai/3889.html if you can read that. 537760;1393585186;mircea_popescu;wbaw in a word, yes. especially because bitcoin isn't a currency in this sense. 537761;1393585212;MisterE;almost got back in to ride is back to 570 but we're going under 550 537762;1393585269;wbaw;mircea_popescu, this is why you'll never be big like they are 537763;1393585281;wbaw;it's no different, it's a betting site 537764;1393585289;MisterE;lol Apocalyptic that's almost as bad as letting the 2 companies with the worst customer satisfaction numbers in the US merge :D 537765;1393585300;mircea_popescu;wbaw what's the mkt cap of this williams thing ? 537766;1393585347;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, you just linked me an article from today 537767;1393585353;mircea_popescu;3.24bn mkt cap ? 537768;1393585360;mircea_popescu;well guess what... i'm not that far off. now what do we do. 537769;1393585373;wbaw;http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/28/william-hill-idUSL6N0LW4P520140228 537770;1393585373;ozbot;William Hill plans cost cuts to offset new tax regime 537771;1393585399;wbaw;Revenue rose 18 percent to 1.49 billion pounds of which net retail revenue accounted for 907 million pounds, up 10 percent, and online revenue rose 12 percent to 446 million pounds. 537772;1393585460;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic yeah it's some japanese corp research firm 537773;1393585521;Apocalyptic;I thought you were referencing the credit-rating claim 537774;1393585524;mircea_popescu;wbaw yeh yeh, WMH.L, 3.24bn mkt cap 537775;1393585541;Duffer1;Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 5s 537776;1393585543;Duffer1;Start a Revolution Join a Revolution @StartJOIN Revolution in a box. Anyone can start or join a revolution. Global insurrection! 537777;1393585545;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic afaik that's a paid service. 537778;1393585548;wbaw;they're not even the biggest 537779;1393585554;wbaw;afaik 537780;1393585555;Duffer1;following for the lawls 537781;1393585570;mircea_popescu;wbaw thjat's besides the point. i being already comparably big, your argument fails 537782;1393585581;mircea_popescu;and anyway, i'd love to keep chattin' but got some stuff to do right nao 537783;1393585598;cazalla;wbaw: you should be more given the outcome is known, that will fix your problems 537784;1393585601;cazalla;bet* 537785;1393585662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10771 @ 0.00086393 = 9.3054 BTC [-] 537786;1393585708;wbaw;cazalla, according to mircea_popescu here that'd mean i just get taxed 1% 537787;1393585723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 879 @ 0.00086863 = 0.7635 BTC [+] 537788;1393585724;wbaw;and i can't put bets on even those his website says that i can 537789;1393585772;wbaw;*even though 537790;1393585806;wbaw;so i'd be getting taxed for their mistake if i bet now, or the betting is corrupt 537791;1393585831;Mats_cd03;cool story 537792;1393585845;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.0061 = 0.1159 BTC [+] 537793;1393585916;cazalla;so what are you worried about then 537794;1393587248;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.00448999 = 0.1437 BTC [-] 537795;1393587309;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00457998 = 0.1649 BTC [+] {4} 537796;1393587814;mircea_popescu;so a hdd in a raid array failed and has been hotswapped. 537797;1393587823;mircea_popescu;everything seems fine. 537798;1393588163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00086863 = 3.9957 BTC [+] 537799;1393588535;Duffer1;hurray for striping 537800;1393588590;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.635 BTC [-] 537801;1393588712;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.635 = 1.27 BTC [-] 537802;1393588895;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63599 BTC [+] 537803;1393588956;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63599 BTC [+] 537804;1393588999;jurov;i'd be pretty asstight if company owner was personally involved in raid hdd replacements :D 537805;1393589187;wbaw;i'm not worried about anything cazalla, just explaining why it's my first & will be my only bet on the site 537806;1393589242;wbaw;other gamblers will just go elsewhere quietly 537807;1393589296;wbaw;it has finally been closed, but speed is important 537808;1393589566;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00437102 = 0.3715 BTC [-] {2} 537809;1393589993;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.635 BTC [-] 537810;1393590176;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.1141981 = 2.284 BTC [+] {7} 537811;1393590237;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.114899 = 0.3447 BTC [+] 537812;1393590304;ThickAsThieves;<mircea_popescu> uh what happened to this thing /// there's a frenzy over AM solving more blocks than usual (sell Neo! Buy AM!) and the Neo bid book didnt fill much behind the rally 537813;1393590348;ThickAsThieves;wbaw, how could you possibly expect the diversity of bets at BitBet and immediate resolution on all of them? 537814;1393590542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00086843 = 1.2158 BTC [-] 537815;1393590603;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.117 = 0.234 BTC [+] 537816;1393590664;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11999 BTC [+] 537817;1393591275;wbaw;not immediate resolution, but closing should be fast 537818;1393591299;wbaw;responses from customer support shouldn't be so rude & arrogant either 537819;1393591310;ThickAsThieves;well i just woke up and everything was the way it should be! 537820;1393591328;ThickAsThieves;wbaw that's one issue you won't win me over on 537821;1393591335;ThickAsThieves;customers are rude and arrogant 537822;1393591336;wbaw;i think they're in romania though, so no excuse, was the middle of a working day 537823;1393591345;ThickAsThieves;customer service people arent your bitch 537824;1393591349;wbaw;customers are right 537825;1393591354;ThickAsThieves;no 537826;1393591356;wbaw;never heard that? 537827;1393591356;Duffer1;haahahaa 537828;1393591356;ThickAsThieves;they arent 537829;1393591358;ThickAsThieves;not usually 537830;1393591367;Duffer1;ah that's cute 537831;1393591368;wbaw;this is why you lack many customers 537832;1393591375;ThickAsThieves;i do just fine 537833;1393591378;wbaw;including me now 537834;1393591378;ThickAsThieves;have all my lufe 537835;1393591383;ThickAsThieves;life* 537836;1393591421;Duffer1;TaT i hear AM added 600th recently, might have something to do with it :P 537837;1393591426;ThickAsThieves;if you want civil interactions with people, try being a human being 537838;1393591426;wbaw;other bookmakers don't call me a bitch for giving them money 537839;1393591440;wbaw;no other bookmaker that has lasted has done that 537840;1393591445;wbaw;to any customer 537841;1393591453;ThickAsThieves;so 537842;1393591459;ThickAsThieves;even if you are right 537843;1393591462;wbaw;every business has to serve it's customers or it fails 537844;1393591466;ThickAsThieves;let bitbet run its own business 537845;1393591472;ThickAsThieves;when did you become ceo 537846;1393591472;wbaw;i will 537847;1393591481;ThickAsThieves;and when did they ask for your opinion 537848;1393591487;ThickAsThieves;and when did your opinion matter? 537849;1393591492;wbaw;when i became a customer & paid them money 537850;1393591504;ThickAsThieves;no that's when you entered a contract 537851;1393591511;ThickAsThieves;their only obligation is to fill it 537852;1393591517;ThickAsThieves;on their terms 537853;1393591521;ThickAsThieves;which you accepted 537854;1393591523;wbaw;then again when i remembered never to use it again & recommend against it 537855;1393591555;ThickAsThieves;dont enter into arrangements with people then complain when they execute them 537856;1393591579;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0538 = 0.2152 BTC [+] {2} 537857;1393591589;wbaw;i was complaining about them not executing them 537858;1393591604;ThickAsThieves;no, you were complaining about HOW they execute them 537859;1393591608;ThickAsThieves;which you dont get to 537860;1393591616;wbaw;or being too slow to execute them because they were too busy abusing customers 537861;1393591621;ThickAsThieves;unless it breaks their contract 537862;1393591653;ThickAsThieves;does bitbet say it will solve all bets in under X amount of time? 537863;1393591676;wbaw;every bookmaker closes bets when the event is over 537864;1393591682;wbaw;every other 537865;1393591696;wbaw;so i will just use those instead 537866;1393591708;wbaw;now please stop arguing with former customers 537867;1393591722;ThickAsThieves;ok 537868;1393591724;ThickAsThieves;cya 537869;1393591733;Duffer1;afaik MP is an owner and not actively involved, but as an owner I'm sure he's more annoyed with delayed bet closing than you 537870;1393591762;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1645 @ 0.00434981 = 7.1554 BTC [-] {6} 537871;1393591798;wbaw;i hope he is, he should be 537872;1393591841;wbaw;doesn't matter to me i can just go elsewhere 537873;1393591871;Duffer1;bitbet has a competitor? 537874;1393592006;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00019 = 0.95 BTC [-] 537875;1393592016;cazalla;william hill apparently 537876;1393592023;wbaw;search 'gambling' on google 537877;1393592031;wbaw;there are quite a few 537878;1393592050;wbaw;betfair? 537879;1393592067;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1087 @ 0.00018899 = 0.2054 BTC [-] {2} 537880;1393592151;Duffer1;ah i'm not a gambler, i haven't kept up with the offerings in the space 537881;1393592217;ThickAsThieves;the best part about these bitbet naysaying interlopers is that it's always for like $50 bets 537882;1393592229;wbaw;they have lots of big competitors but they think they're different because it's magical internet money so customer service doesn't count 537883;1393592235;ThickAsThieves;and they demand to be customer that is always right and able to take all business away 537884;1393592251;ThickAsThieves;wbaw do you even lose anything here? 537885;1393592253;wbaw;ThickAsThieves, why risk a big bet on your first go with some shady site? 537886;1393592272;ThickAsThieves;why act like some stange site killed your cat? 537887;1393592272;wbaw;they know not to come back after that 537888;1393592286;Duffer1;I am certain that those involved with Bitbet regard Bitcoin as substantially more valuable than fiat 537889;1393592294;wbaw;i'm used to better service, rather than being insulted by staff 537890;1393592330;ThickAsThieves;youre used to be being manipulated is what you are 537891;1393592345;ThickAsThieves;salesmanship is all you know 537892;1393592350;ThickAsThieves;not service 537893;1393592368;wbaw;we will see who's still here in 10 years 537894;1393592412;ThickAsThieves;surely you wont be 537895;1393592428;ThickAsThieves;i doubt 10 days 537896;1393592489;Duffer1;perhaps you haven't been around long wbaw but if i was a gambler Bitbet would be the only site I'd trust to do what they say, no more no less 537897;1393592511;wbaw;wtf are you talking about? 537898;1393592518;Duffer1;everyone else will just tell you what you want to hear right up until they run with your $$ 537899;1393592524;wbaw;you think bitbet are more reliable than betfair? 537900;1393592538;wbaw;william hills have been around ~50 years 537901;1393592562;wbaw;and they always pay out 537902;1393592573;Duffer1;and they accept bitcoin? 537903;1393592582;wbaw;does that even matter? 537904;1393592591;jurov;one day the miscalculate the rates on popular bet and go out of business 537905;1393592600;ThickAsThieves;;;google betfair scam 537906;1393592601;gribble;Betfair Trader Scam - Please circulate - Bet Angel - Betfair sports ...: <http://www.betangel.com/blog_wp/2013/07/24/betfair-trader-scam/>; Gambler who called himself the Betfair king conned friends out of ...: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313618/Gambler-called-Betfair-king-conned-friends-600-000-bogus-betting-scam.html>; Betfair Casino - The Tale of Betfair's (1 more message) 537907;1393592607;jurov;and unlike fiat nobody, is loaning btcs 537908;1393592609;ThickAsThieves;plenty to read! 537909;1393592617;Duffer1;i see, so when i said earlier "only site" i was refering to only bitcoin betting site 537910;1393592619;wbaw;yes, they catch scammers on betfair 537911;1393592622;jurov;nothing like that can happen on bitbet 537912;1393592624;wbaw;that's what they do 537913;1393592633;wbaw;it's betting exchange 537914;1393592634;ThickAsThieves;so betfair hosts scammers 537915;1393592637;ThickAsThieves;bitbet does not 537916;1393592650;wbaw;betfair allows anybody to bet 537917;1393592657;wbaw;bitbet is just in denial 537918;1393592670;ThickAsThieves;again, what did you lose here anyway? 537919;1393592693;Duffer1;denial about what? i'm just curious, i'm not trying to poke you 537920;1393592693;wbaw;i lost an interesting looking betting site i wanted to give my custom 537921;1393592746;ThickAsThieves;so youre just trolling? 537922;1393592747;wbaw;saying they don't host scammers, denying that bet fixing could be a problem... 537923;1393592762;wbaw;no, i got trolled by bitbet 537924;1393592764;ThickAsThieves;specifically why are you unhappy 537925;1393592785;wbaw;the customer service response i got to my email yesterday 537926;1393592798;ThickAsThieves;which caused you what harm? 537927;1393592806;Duffer1;i was under the impression that bets are moderated by the exchange 537928;1393592823;Duffer1;I don't see how fixing could occur without collusion by employees 537929;1393592842;wbaw;because you just said you have no experience gambling 537930;1393592853;ThickAsThieves;dont lose me 537931;1393592854;ThickAsThieves;which caused you what harm? 537932;1393592903;*;ThickAsThieves crickets 537933;1393592906;wbaw;it cost money from my bet, people were betting after mtgox closed 537934;1393592929;ThickAsThieves;do you know what happens when people bbet after the fact on bitbet? 537935;1393592936;Duffer1;that does not mean those late bets will be honored 537936;1393592940;wbaw;they get a 1% tax 537937;1393592942;ThickAsThieves;no 537938;1393592945;ThickAsThieves;a 100% tax 537939;1393592951;ThickAsThieves;they keep it 537940;1393592953;wbaw;according to ts&cs 537941;1393592969;wbaw;that's breaking their own terms then 537942;1393592972;Duffer1;unless they changed it very recently, it's 100% 537943;1393592974;ThickAsThieves;if your bet confirms after the event took place they lose all money 537944;1393592982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25295 @ 0.0008685 = 21.9687 BTC [+] {2} 537945;1393592983;jurov;ThickAsThieves: no 537946;1393593000;jurov;it's first closed, then they return bets minus 1% 537947;1393593010;jurov;then after it's resolved, they eat new bets 537948;1393593018;Duffer1;i see 537949;1393593024;ThickAsThieves;ah 537950;1393593037;ThickAsThieves;so still 537951;1393593041;ThickAsThieves;wbaw loses nothing 537952;1393593043;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00450488 = 0.1577 BTC [+] 537953;1393593044;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63 = 1.26 BTC [-] 537954;1393593045;ThickAsThieves;right? 537955;1393593049;jurov;adn even if someone bets while it's still open, but the result happened 537956;1393593054;wbaw;What if I bet after the bet has been satisfied, but before it is actually closed? 537957;1393593054;wbaw;Your bet will be refunded, minus BitBet's 1% fee. 537958;1393593057;jurov;they return -1% too 537959;1393593062;wbaw;http://bitbet.us/faq/ 537960;1393593063;ozbot;FAQ BitBet 537961;1393593067;ThickAsThieves;so wbaw 537962;1393593070;Duffer1;if the bets are returned then the payout would be according to resolved weight 537963;1393593077;ThickAsThieves;you are crying over a reality you constructed 537964;1393593081;ThickAsThieves;not one that exists 537965;1393593083;wbaw;so they screwed somebody 537966;1393593101;wbaw;either those that bet while the bet was still open, but in fact closed 537967;1393593104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16867 @ 0.0008694 = 14.6642 BTC [+] {2} 537968;1393593109;wbaw;or the people who bet before 537969;1393593115;ThickAsThieves;well wtf 537970;1393593127;ThickAsThieves;you get what you want so you move to another cause? 537971;1393593129;jurov;wbaw after the result happens, bet is closed implicitly without them having to announce 537972;1393593138;jurov;it's best defense from scammers 537973;1393593151;jurov;good idea, don't you think? 537974;1393593156;wbaw;so why the 1% fee & leaving bets open so late? 537975;1393593159;ThickAsThieves;bitcoin does not have a way to reject a payment 537976;1393593165;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3983 @ 0.00016694 = 0.6649 BTC [-] {16} 537977;1393593169;ThickAsThieves;this is th best solution 537978;1393593173;wbaw;surely the bet still being open is there mistake, so no fee 537979;1393593180;wbaw;their 537980;1393593189;Duffer1;not necessarily 537981;1393593192;ThickAsThieves;why make a bet after the event occurs? 537982;1393593198;ThickAsThieves;who's scamming who at that point? 537983;1393593208;wbaw;because they're advertising that you can, ThickAsThieves 537984;1393593223;ThickAsThieves;but they cant stop payments to bitcoin addresses 537985;1393593226;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63 BTC [-] 537986;1393593231;ThickAsThieves;nature of the beats 537987;1393593234;wbaw;they can close the bet on their site 537988;1393593240;wbaw;faster 537989;1393593245;ThickAsThieves;hey that's the name for my next album! 537990;1393593245;Duffer1;humans are perfect 537991;1393593267;jurov;wbaw btc payments can be even hours late, and returning them is overhead for bitbet 537992;1393593275;ThickAsThieves;how fast is fast enough? 537993;1393593277;wbaw;they can not be so rude to customers too 537994;1393593294;ThickAsThieves;no matter how fast they are, they can't be instant 537995;1393593298;Duffer1;that's also a feature, not a but :P 537996;1393593308;Duffer1;bug* 537997;1393593336;ThickAsThieves;if they can't be instant, why pretend 537998;1393593411;ThickAsThieves;also, what if the evidence of the bet resolution is debunked? then you complain they closed it too fast? 537999;1393593420;ThickAsThieves;this is why customers are usually wrong 538000;1393593428;ThickAsThieves;they dont know wtf they are talking about 538001;1393593454;ThickAsThieves;and act like insufferable children 538002;1393593459;ThickAsThieves;you'd be rude too 538003;1393593518;deadweasel;also, they're not your fucking mommy. 538004;1393593531;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.09349999 = 0.374 BTC [+] 538005;1393593537;deadweasel;handle your business by doing due diligence before you place money somewhere. that's all there is to it. 538006;1393593555;ThickAsThieves;he didnt lose anything anyway 538007;1393593561;ThickAsThieves;thats the ass end of it 538008;1393593576;ThickAsThieves;where he's an ass, and that's the end of it 538009;1393593601;deadweasel;indeed. bitbet is an unending font of entertainment 538010;1393593615;deadweasel;for this, I do love it. also, winning. 538011;1393593714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00086954 = 16.3039 BTC [+] {2} 538012;1393593714;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00450655 = 0.2163 BTC [+] {4} 538013;1393593918;ThickAsThieves;the timing of bitbets is really quite spooky 538014;1393593926;ThickAsThieves;with these diff bets and gox bets 538015;1393594088;ThickAsThieves;"I love the sense of entitlement in your generation," she wrote, then continued. "You're welcome for your humility lesson for the year. Don't ever reach out to senior practitioners again and assume their carefully curated list of connections is available to you, just because you want to build your network." 538016;1393594141;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 239 @ 0.00450499 = 1.0767 BTC [-] {2} 538017;1393594188;ThickAsThieves;then she gets put through the social media wringer 538018;1393594196;libbe;wheres that from thick 538019;1393594200;ThickAsThieves;and it turns into ""The note I sent to Diana was rude, unwelcoming, unprofessional and wrong ...," she said in her e-mail. "Diana and her generation are the future of this city. I wish her all the best in landing a job in this great town."" 538020;1393594203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00086605 = 16.7148 BTC [-] {2} 538021;1393594206;ThickAsThieves;http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/27/tech/web/linked-in-cleveland-job-bank/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 538022;1393594207;ozbot;Nasty LinkedIn rejection goes viral - CNN.com 538023;1393594263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00086351 = 3.454 BTC [-] {2} 538024;1393594263;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.09349999 = 0.187 BTC [+] {2} 538025;1393594309;ThickAsThieves;i guess that's what the media does, it breaks you if you give it weight 538026;1393594412;ThickAsThieves;some gems from CNN's home page today: She blew off salute to take THIS selfie - World's best prison food? - Men: Your sperm clock is ticking - 'President finally said something' - Kutcher and Kunis engaged? etc 538027;1393594447;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.606 = 1.212 BTC [-] {2} 538028;1393594463;ThickAsThieves;Mark in a suit: http://money.cnn.com/2014/02/28/investing/mt-gox-bankruptcy/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 538029;1393594481;ThickAsThieves;apparently he's 10 feet tall 538030;1393594517;ThickAsThieves;"Mt.Gox learned Monday that 1.75 million bitcoins held by the company and its customers had disappeared" 538031;1393594521;ThickAsThieves;dafuck? 538032;1393594557;libbe;lol... wtf 538033;1393594560;libbe;1.75 now 538034;1393594561;libbe;haha 538035;1393594713;ThickAsThieves;Neo presentation docs: http://www.imhbusiness.com/el/neoevent2014#παρουσιασεισ 538036;1393594751;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 760 @ 0.00459938 = 3.4955 BTC [+] {5} 538037;1393594776;Duffer1;1.75m bitcoins gone, only claims 65m in liabilities in bankruptcy app 538038;1393594782;Duffer1;pure evil 538039;1393594919;Duffer1;lol they're trying to claim $37 per bitcoin 538040;1393594961;BingoBoingo;Wow 538041;1393594968;ThickAsThieves;is the filing public somewhere? 538042;1393594995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00086346 = 7.9438 BTC [-] 538043;1393595021;Duffer1;http://www.coindesk.com/mt-gox-files-bankruptcy-claims-63-6m-debt/ 538044;1393595038;Duffer1;^ where i saw the 65m figure, dunno what their source is 538045;1393595078;ThickAsThieves;article has big mistake 538046;1393595087;ThickAsThieves;they filed for Bankruptcy PROTECTION 538047;1393595117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20565 @ 0.00086367 = 17.7614 BTC [+] 538048;1393595151;ThickAsThieves;where did this extra million bitcoins come into play? 538049;1393595154;ThickAsThieves;wtf CNN 538050;1393595158;bitcoinpete;howdy 538051;1393595192;ThickAsThieves;hey Pete 538052;1393595263;bitcoinpete;catching up on the day's logs… twitter is just jammed with gox brain damage. can't take it 538053;1393595274;kakobrekla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmTEm-EnF5A 538054;1393595306;ThickAsThieves;thx kako 538055;1393595331;kakobrekla;at least its not a fukken nikki minaj 538056;1393595369;ThickAsThieves;mark has like a perpetual mona lisa smile 538057;1393595443;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu to Luke-Jr: you're supposed to listen to it. there's a fucking difference. << priceless 538058;1393595550;ThickAsThieves;Jon Stewart having a laugh over Mt Gox starting as a card exchange 538059;1393595605;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+] 538060;1393595666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00086367 = 8.3344 BTC [+] 538061;1393595727;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.09349999 = 0.561 BTC [+] {2} 538062;1393595788;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0046109 = 0.2536 BTC [+] {2} 538063;1393595849;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0935 = 0.4675 BTC [+] 538064;1393595850;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.63160684 = 17.685 BTC [+] {5} 538065;1393595910;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00485999 = 0.3305 BTC [+] {4} 538066;1393595911;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.63633266 = 1.909 BTC [+] {2} 538067;1393596084;bitcoinpete;Looks like my little blog post took a notch out of NeoBee, eh ThickAsThieves 538068;1393596115;bitcoinpete;I wonder what I could've done to something like CFIG or 7C 538069;1393596133;ThickAsThieves;you be trollin 538070;1393596157;bitcoinpete;Truly. I know no one reads my blog 538071;1393596203;ThickAsThieves;you could actually do plenty damage to CFIG if you tried 538072;1393596204;ThickAsThieves;imo 538073;1393596211;bitcoinpete;No doubt 538074;1393596216;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Correction, only people who matter read your blog 538075;1393596260;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: but I didn't even post it on reddit! 538076;1393596277;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: You posted to this chan though 538077;1393596310;ThickAsThieves;http://www.bitcoinsecurity.org/2014/01/20/mapping-bitcoin-addresses-to-ips-hard-but-possible/ 538078;1393596311;ozbot;Mapping Bitcoin Addresses to IPs: Hard, but possible | Bitcoin Security 538079;1393596325;bitcoinpete;So I did, so I did. 538080;1393596373;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Reddit has a poor ratio of eyes to eyes that matter 538081;1393596396;bitcoinpete;ThickAsThieves: Time to start sending coins to MPEx from SBUx 538082;1393596398;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.11705 = 0.2341 BTC [-] {2} 538083;1393596446;ThickAsThieves;I thought SEC arrested MPEx and closed the Bitcoin? 538084;1393596473;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: Much higher here, it seems 538085;1393596511;bitcoinpete;ThickAsThieves: Did you read that in the almanac? 538086;1393596520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00086367 = 5.0525 BTC [+] 538087;1393596552;ThickAsThieves;The Forumers Almanac 538088;1393596989;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 538089;1393596994;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 558.69, vol: 18248.76543402 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 541.96, vol: 12559.69095 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 557.0, vol: 12295.19418405 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 582.1, vol: 65.15586648 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 554.88, vol: 7185.97300000 | Volume-weighted last average: 553.591064627 538090;1393597496;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12442 @ 0.00086762 = 10.7949 BTC [+] {2} 538091;1393597512;ThickAsThieves;hmm so does option bot problem fix itself now that gox volume is 0? 538092;1393597617;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: I'm guessing that is going to be in the MPEx announcement 538093;1393597740;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15163 @ 0.00086963 = 13.1862 BTC [+] {2} 538094;1393597941;ThickAsThieves;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/28/gullible_hipsters_drive_beard_transpant_craze/ 538095;1393597954;ThickAsThieves;"A lot of them tend to be in their 20s and 30s, they tend to be hip New Yorkers definitely with an eye for aesthetic detail – they may work in the visual arts or performing arts." 538096;1393598213;jurov;is pic of mr. gay-debauchery in there somewhere, too? 538097;1393598228;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61000001 BTC [-] 538098;1393598230;bitcoinpete;too bad the register can't spell "transpLant" 538099;1393598289;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0935 = 0.561 BTC [+] 538100;1393598319;bitcoinpete;And converting to Orthodox Judaism would be far more cost-effective. 538101;1393598350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62459 @ 0.00086446 = 53.9933 BTC [-] {4} 538102;1393599021;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.006 = 0.222 BTC [+] 538103;1393599143;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [-] 538104;1393599144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00086425 = 11.3217 BTC [-] {2} 538105;1393599387;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6999 @ 0.00086656 = 6.0651 BTC [+] 538106;1393599387;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0543 = 0.543 BTC [+] 538107;1393599448;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.60066666 = 1.802 BTC [-] {2} 538108;1393599703;BingoBoingo;The Crimea 2 Electric Boogaloo bet has been accepted http://bitbet.us/bet/769/crimea-2-electric-boogaloo/ 538109;1393600393;jurov;BingoBoingo: I don't get the boogaloo reference 538110;1393600485;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.55879266 = 14.5286 BTC [-] {14} 538111;1393600507;TomServo;;;ud electric boogaloo 538112;1393600508;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=electric%20boogaloo | Electric Boogaloo can be appended to the name of a movie to indicate a sequel. This construction is somewhat dismissive of the original work and/or... 538113;1393600509;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: electric boogaloo 538114;1393600510;ThickAsThieves;;;ud Electric Boogaloo 538115;1393600511;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=electric%20boogaloo | Electric Boogaloo can be appended to the name of a movie to indicate a sequel. This construction is somewhat dismissive of the original work and/or... 538116;1393600511;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: electric boogaloo 538117;1393600511;*;TomServo shrugs 538118;1393600513;ThickAsThieves;bah 538119;1393600546;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55 = 1.1 BTC [-] 538120;1393600729;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] 538121;1393600730;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.09499898 = 0.19 BTC [+] {2} 538122;1393600973;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.536575 = 2.1463 BTC [-] {3} 538123;1393601034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16833 @ 0.00086734 = 14.5999 BTC [+] {2} 538124;1393601034;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0048 = 0.48 BTC [-] {3} 538125;1393601045;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pUr5UeIsKE 538126;1393601046;ozbot;Turneja - Kukavica (Arkan - Mine Field Scene) + Eng Subtitles - YouTube 538127;1393601217;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00485598 = 0.2768 BTC [+] {2} 538128;1393601339;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0544 = 0.544 BTC [+] 538129;1393601767;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.05201753 = 0.4161 BTC [-] {2} 538130;1393601949;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00564526 = 1.1291 BTC [-] {10} 538131;1393601973;chetty;A man who was traveling through Manchester, New Hampshire was stopped and harassed by the TSA after he opted out of going through a body scanner. The official reason for further interrogation, according to the screeners, was We saw Bitcoin in your bag and need to check. 538132;1393601999;ThickAsThieves;buncha bitcoin buttons 538133;1393602010;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00556 = 1.112 BTC [-] {5} 538134;1393602011;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.00485548 = 0.4807 BTC [-] {3} 538135;1393602023;wao-ender;chetty: url? 538136;1393602116;chetty;http://www.infowars.com/tsa-detains-libertarian-blogger-after-seeing-bitcoin-in-his-bag/ 538137;1393602116;ozbot;» TSA Detains Libertarian Blogger After ‘Seeing Bitcoin’ In His Bag Alex Jones' Infowars: Ther 538138;1393602132;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00019129 = 0.3826 BTC [+] {10} 538139;1393602208;asciilifeform;2017: 'A man who was traveling through the California Demilitarized Zone airport was stopped and harassed by the ISA after he opted out of going through the MRI scanner. The official reason for further interrogation, according to the screeners, was "We saw 'brainwallet.py' in your CPU cache, and we needed to check." ' 538140;1393602210;benkay`;poor davi 538141;1393602250;TomServo;ISA? 538142;1393602311;benkay`;ugh asciilifeform you gotta put this shit into some fiction 538143;1393602326;benkay`;publish it somewhere and everything 538144;1393602339;asciilifeform;chetty: if this story is true, it probably means that a picture of 'casascius coin' is included in the 'evil objects' db. 538145;1393602339;benkay`;1/3 of the things you write in -assets gives me the willies 538146;1393602359;asciilifeform;benkay`: seriously? like what 538147;1393602360;benkay`;good morning assettes! 538148;1393602362;chetty;yup very likely it is 538149;1393602373;benkay`;"MRI scanner" 538150;1393602419;chetty;I figure its true, to strange to be fiction 538151;1393602437;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 37 @ 0.00597001 = 0.2209 BTC [-] 538152;1393602499;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 57 @ 0.00598666 = 0.3412 BTC [+] {2} 538153;1393602512;asciilifeform;chetty, benkay`: http://www.nature.com/nrn/journal/v15/n2/full/nrn3665.html 538154;1393602560;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 75 @ 0.006 = 0.45 BTC [+] 538155;1393602593;asciilifeform;benkay`: fiction like this ends up being 'a less funny joke' soon after it is written. see, for example, http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html 538156;1393602625;asciilifeform;benkay`: or the story in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752 538157;1393602743;chetty;asciilifeform: ouchy, I guess next stop is full up mind reading 538158;1393602884;jurov;researchers already did read passwords from brain. one has to control self to not think about them 538159;1393602986;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00485598 = 0.4759 BTC [+] 538160;1393602999;benkay;gotta get out of the states 538161;1393603015;BingoBoingo;Oh brain steganography is going to be a thing soon 538162;1393603028;wao-ender;use mechanics! 538163;1393603032;chetty;multiplication tables making a come back 538164;1393603050;wao-ender;in my honest, I dont remember some password, only just mechanics of keypresses 538165;1393603112;chetty;true, without keyboard passwords are a mystery 538166;1393603138;wao-ender;well, rather find function how to re:create password instead of remember exact value of pw 538167;1393603371;ThickAsThieves;lolz: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/28/fortress-investment-group-bought-20-million-of-bitcoin-in-2013/?mod=WSJBlog 538168;1393603379;ThickAsThieves;fortress bought at the top 538169;1393603391;benkay;well, the 2013 top 538170;1393603413;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 26 @ 0.05182695 = 1.3475 BTC [-] {5} 538171;1393603414;ThickAsThieves;indeed 538172;1393603474;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.1169999 = 1.053 BTC [-] 538173;1393603596;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1169999 = 0.351 BTC [-] 538174;1393603603;benkay;if they have the smarts to hang on for a year or two, they may make it back 538175;1393603664;benkay;ah it's unrealized 538176;1393603671;benkay;at least their smart enough to actually go long 538177;1393603671;ThickAsThieves;can anyone point me to a working LTC chart? 538178;1393603693;ThickAsThieves;got it 538179;1393603697;ThickAsThieves;forgot bitwiz had it 538180;1393604084;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+] 538181;1393604269;drifton;Hello all 538182;1393604282;Duffer1;hello 538183;1393604447;benkay;man, the derp is just as strong on hacker news as bitcointalk.org 538184;1393604448;benkay;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7318947 538185;1393604489;TomServo;yep, it's everywhere it seems 538186;1393604607;Duffer1;letstalkbitcoin.com/the-ghost-in-the-machine-at-mtgox/ 538187;1393604694;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 82 @ 0.00464018 = 0.3805 BTC [-] {4} 538188;1393604821;ThickAsThieves;i'm currently battling the derp at theverge 538189;1393604877;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 258 @ 0.0008796 = 0.2269 BTC [+] 538190;1393604880;ThickAsThieves;http://www.moneyfactory.gov/ is down! I guess USD is done for. 538191;1393604881;benkay;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmTEm-EnF5A 538192;1393604925;ThickAsThieves;http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-says-recent-graphics-card-shortage-price-hikes-due-chinese-new-year-litecoin-miners/ 538193;1393604926;ozbot;Chinese New Year, Litecoin to Blame for AMD GPU Shortage, Price Hikes | Digital Trends 538194;1393604938;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 228 @ 0.0008798 = 0.2006 BTC [+] {2} 538195;1393604939;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018999 = 0.19 BTC [+] {2} 538196;1393604999;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.1169999 = 0.819 BTC [-] 538197;1393605007;Jere_Jones_;My wife told me that she couldn't get a birthday cake with a bitcoin on it because it would have been copyright infringement and we needed to get written permission from Bitcoin. 538198;1393605028;Jere_Jones_;She said that several bakeries told her that same story. 538199;1393605052;anddam;Jere_Jones_: also the cake would be malleable 538200;1393605061;Jere_Jones_;She laughed. I laughed. I had balloons on my cake instead. 538201;1393605085;asciilifeform;chetty: re: mind reading: 'The two aims of the Party are to conquer the whole surface of the earth and to extinguish once and for all the possibility of independent thought. There are therefore two great problems which the Party is concerned to solve. One is how to discover, against his will, what another human being is thinking, and the other is how to kill several hundred million people in a few seconds witho 538202;1393605085;asciilifeform;ut giving warning beforehand. In so far as scientific research still continues, this is its subject matter.' (mr. o's '1984') 538203;1393605145;ThickAsThieves;while i cant imagine anyone getting sued over a cake, 538204;1393605170;ThickAsThieves;it's not 100% absurd to be worried about the bitcoin logo 538205;1393605180;ThickAsThieves;if the creator hasnt given up rights to it 538206;1393605183;ThickAsThieves;and properly 538207;1393605217;ThickAsThieves;in the US, you can't even give shit away easily 538208;1393605222;Jere_Jones;The B with two vertical lines? 538209;1393605239;ThickAsThieves;well a specific depiction of it 538210;1393605240;TomServo;I could swear I've seen one or two Mickey Mouse cakes... but I could be imagining that. 538211;1393605243;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 495 @ 0.00517539 = 2.5618 BTC [-] {25} 538212;1393605277;ThickAsThieves;the cake place likely got sensitive because of doing too many mickey mouse cakes once 538213;1393605288;Jere_Jones;If you don't know what a bitcoin is, yeah, I understand the confusion. My wife and I do, though. Hence the hilarity. 538214;1393605304;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1169999 BTC [-] 538215;1393605365;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 32 @ 0.02175686 = 0.6962 BTC [-] {4} 538216;1393605389;Asa9;my wife has some cake pans of popular kids mascots from the late 90s but no disney ones. 538217;1393605426;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 4672 @ 0.00009682 = 0.4523 BTC [-] {9} 538218;1393605452;benkay;that feel when a project manager cancels the meeting you scheduled to plan out the next 2 months of work 538219;1393605464;benkay;*raaaaage* 538220;1393605474;benkay;maybe i just need bacon. 538221;1393605569;ThickAsThieves;planning to plan is the most popular form of planning 538222;1393605572;chetty;asciilifeform: Its a toss up, '84 or Brave New World - but its pretty much upon us 538223;1393605613;Asa9;oh what the hell - why not both?!? 538224;1393605667;drifton;Anyone have an opinion on the viability of profiting off of exchanging btc for ltc and vis-a-vi? Ive only been going straight btc investment as of late and ltc has me curious. Sorry for the vague question, or if it's considered off topic. 538225;1393605683;benkay;don't do it drifton 538226;1393605695;drifton;Yeah? 538227;1393605719;benkay;you're talking about becoming a professional trader by trading your own book. just don't. 538228;1393605744;chetty;off topic? is that possible here? 538229;1393605767;ThickAsThieves;drifton, listen to benkay 538230;1393605782;ThickAsThieves;LTC simply does not function in reaction to BTC in any reliable way 538231;1393605832;drifton;Thanks guys 538232;1393605975;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.00465002 = 0.7905 BTC [+] {6} 538233;1393606097;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00464201 = 0.4642 BTC [-] {4} 538234;1393606104;nubbins`;!t m s.mg 538235;1393606104;assbot;[MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0.000149 / 0.00014955 / 0.000154 (180 shares, 0.03 BTC), 7D: 0.000138 / 0.00013973 / 0.000154 (1200 shares, 0.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00010001 / 0.00011631 / 0.000154 (5050 shares, 0.59 BTC) 538236;1393606108;nubbins`;!t h smg 538237;1393606109;assbot;[HAVELOCK:SMG] 1D: 0.00009501 / 9.705E-5 / 0.00010280 (4859 shares, 0.47159003 BTC), 7D: 0.00009501 / 9.954E-5 / 0.00013000 (7926 shares, 0.78898943 BTC), 30D: 0.00009501 / 0.0001088 / 0.00013850 (16446 shares, 1.78939064 BTC) 538238;1393606158;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0046 = 0.46 BTC [-] {2} 538239;1393606159;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1960 @ 0.00018999 = 0.3724 BTC [+] {2} 538240;1393606219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 73 @ 0.0046 = 0.3358 BTC [-] {2} 538241;1393606220;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.095 = 0.76 BTC [+] 538242;1393606264;anddam;benkay: the bacon concept is interesting 538243;1393606280;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 225 @ 0.0044291 = 0.9965 BTC [-] {6} 538244;1393606341;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58998899 = 1.18 BTC [+] 538245;1393606342;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00440002 = 0.132 BTC [-] 538246;1393606646;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.117 BTC [+] 538247;1393606768;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] [PAID] 7.50000000 BTC to 40`000 shares, 18750 satoshi per share 538248;1393606829;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.05100001 = 1.734 BTC [-] {9} 538249;1393607195;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 27 @ 0.10577669 = 2.856 BTC [-] {11} 538250;1393607317;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] [PAID] 5.00000000 BTC to 50`000 shares, 10000 satoshi per share 538251;1393607561;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 72 @ 0.00597 = 0.4298 BTC [-] 538252;1393607562;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 69.10503292 BTC to 3`122 shares, 2213486 satoshi per share 538253;1393607608;benkay;get yer dealco divs and get out day apparently 538254;1393607683;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.05385713 = 0.377 BTC [+] {6} 538255;1393607684;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.05736678 BTC to 3`122 shares, 65899 satoshi per share 538256;1393607744;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.09550288 = 0.6685 BTC [-] {6} 538257;1393607805;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.09550006 = 0.6685 BTC [-] {3} 538258;1393607866;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.09199994 = 0.92 BTC [-] 538259;1393607915;benkay;bacon ipo anddam 538260;1393607924;benkay;;;later tell anddam bacon ipo 538261;1393607925;gribble;The operation succeeded. 538262;1393607927;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 23 @ 0.08043478 = 1.85 BTC [-] {2} 538263;1393607979;ThickAsThieves;bacon futures? 538264;1393608110;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] {2} 538265;1393608111;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+] {2} 538266;1393608172;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 538267;1393608232;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 34 @ 0.13311598 = 4.5259 BTC [-] {2} 538268;1393608603;ThickAsThieves;heh WSJ used wordpress 538269;1393608607;ThickAsThieves;uses 538270;1393608636;ThickAsThieves;(at least for the moneybeat area) 538271;1393608904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00086308 = 5.8689 BTC [-] 538272;1393608937;Diablo-D3;ThickAsThieves: yeah they used to for the not real journalist shit 538273;1393608943;Diablo-D3;they still have it for some legacy areas 538274;1393608964;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0555 = 0.111 BTC [+] 538275;1393609027;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 538276;1393609028;ThickAsThieves;http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/28/cyprus-one-year-after-bank-bail-in-the-canary-that-lived/ 538277;1393609028;ozbot;Cyprus One Year After Bank Bail-In -- the Canary That Lived - MoneyBeat - WSJ 538278;1393609086;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05416667 = 0.1625 BTC [+] {2} 538279;1393609088;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08181 = 0.2454 BTC [+] {2} 538280;1393609089;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.13311598 = 0.3993 BTC [-] {2} 538281;1393609211;ThickAsThieves;this guy needs MPOE-PR to step in and inform the subsequent commenters who the real niggers.txt are https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5429845#msg5429845 538282;1393609270;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.13311598 = 0.7987 BTC [-] 538283;1393609330;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0559994 = 0.28 BTC [+] {3} 538284;1393609331;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08130283 = 0.2439 BTC [-] {3} 538285;1393609332;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.13311598 = 0.6656 BTC [-] 538286;1393609391;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.05595783 = 0.6715 BTC [-] {4} 538287;1393609392;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0800171 = 0.8002 BTC [-] {5} 538288;1393609393;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 538289;1393609453;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.13311598 = 3.9935 BTC [-] {2} 538290;1393609574;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0575 = 0.115 BTC [+] 538291;1393609696;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [-] 538292;1393609757;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 28 @ 0.05398213 = 1.5115 BTC [-] {9} 538293;1393609759;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 538294;1393609760;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.006 = 0.15 BTC [+] 538295;1393609818;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.13311598 = 1.5974 BTC [-] 538296;1393610184;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.054 = 0.108 BTC [+] 538297;1393610245;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 538298;1393610306;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 388 @ 0.00454236 = 1.7624 BTC [-] {5} 538299;1393610367;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 165 @ 0.00453334 = 0.748 BTC [-] {3} 538300;1393610550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.054 = 0.324 BTC [+] 538301;1393610597;TomServo;BingoBoingo: was not kidding about ##mtgox-statement 538302;1393610608;TomServo;http://imgur.com/AuXXenx 538303;1393610608;ozbot;A Discussion on How to Salvage MtGox Customer Account Holdings - Imgur 538304;1393610611;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 125 @ 0.00360365 = 0.4505 BTC [-] {11} 538305;1393610672;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 45 @ 0.07801111 = 3.5105 BTC [+] {4} 538306;1393610733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13110 @ 0.00086445 = 11.3329 BTC [+] {2} 538307;1393610733;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.13311598 = 0.6656 BTC [-] 538308;1393610917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00086759 = 10.1074 BTC [+] {2} 538309;1393611160;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 13 @ 0.13311598 = 1.7305 BTC [-] 538310;1393611161;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 55 @ 0.00600001 = 0.33 BTC [+] {2} 538311;1393611221;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 45 @ 0.00600001 = 0.27 BTC [+] 538312;1393611405;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.081 = 0.243 BTC [+] {2} 538313;1393611406;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] 538314;1393611407;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.053 = 0.106 BTC [-] 538315;1393611408;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 143 @ 0.00478783 = 0.6847 BTC [+] {5} 538316;1393611465;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 377 @ 0.0048762 = 1.8383 BTC [+] {6} 538317;1393611466;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 77 @ 0.13311598 = 10.2499 BTC [-] 538318;1393611526;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0815 = 0.326 BTC [+] {2} 538319;1393611527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13221 @ 0.00086807 = 11.4768 BTC [+] 538320;1393611527;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0525 = 0.105 BTC [-] 538321;1393611528;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] 538322;1393611648;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.08225 = 0.1645 BTC [+] {2} 538323;1393611709;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC 538324;1393611770;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00474995 = 0.1235 BTC [-] {3} 538325;1393611893;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0515 = 0.103 BTC [-] 538326;1393611953;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.08275 = 0.331 BTC [+] {2} 538327;1393611954;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] 538328;1393612015;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.085 = 0.17 BTC [+] 538329;1393612441;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0835 = 0.334 BTC [-] {2} 538330;1393612442;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.13311598 = 0.3993 BTC [-] 538331;1393612443;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.051 = 0.102 BTC [-] 538332;1393612502;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] 538333;1393612564;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 538334;1393612746;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00474997 = 0.2565 BTC [+] 538335;1393612936;thestringpuller;;;diff 538336;1393612937;gribble;3.81572379881463E9 538337;1393612940;thestringpuller;;;estimate 538338;1393612941;gribble;Next difficulty estimate | 4890464455.62 based on data since last change | 4092738869.01 based on data for last three days 538339;1393612943;thestringpuller;;;bc,stats 538340;1393612946;gribble;Current Blocks: 288335 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 1968 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 12 hours, 34 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4890464455.62 | Estimated Percent Change: 28.1661 538341;1393613174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12647 @ 0.00086819 = 10.98 BTC [+] {2} 538342;1393613295;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.09999999 = 0.6 BTC [+] 538343;1393613296;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.051 = 0.102 BTC [+] 538344;1393613357;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00483117 = 1.4494 BTC [+] {5} 538345;1393613360;ThickAsThieves;http://vimeo.com/87747572 538346;1393613361;ozbot;evoorhees on centralization - The Bitcoin Phenomenon on Vimeo 538347;1393613540;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00488999 = 0.4401 BTC [+] {2} 538348;1393613966;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] 538349;1393614088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.0008694 = 26.5167 BTC [+] {2} 538350;1393614149;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 22 @ 0.13311598 = 2.9286 BTC [-] 538351;1393614210;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.09999999 = 1.4 BTC [+] 538352;1393614271;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.1 = 1.7 BTC [+] 538353;1393614332;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0823125 = 0.6585 BTC [-] {3} 538354;1393614393;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.08120312 = 1.2992 BTC [-] {5} 538355;1393614600;the20year2;joy, bankruptcy 538356;1393615491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11723 @ 0.00087012 = 10.2004 BTC [+] {2} 538357;1393615501;Duffer1;it's about time 538358;1393615735;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0805 = 0.161 BTC [-] 538359;1393615918;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.051375 = 0.1028 BTC [+] {2} 538360;1393615919;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00488995 = 0.1076 BTC [-] {3} 538361;1393615979;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [+] {2} 538362;1393616163;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00548999 = 0.4666 BTC [+] 538363;1393616345;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.05325 = 0.426 BTC [+] {4} 538364;1393616406;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05475 = 0.219 BTC [+] {2} 538365;1393616528;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 538366;1393616529;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.05625 = 0.45 BTC [+] {4} 538367;1393616589;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.05828571 = 0.408 BTC [+] {3} 538368;1393616590;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.09999997 = 0.4 BTC [-] {2} 538369;1393616650;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.05942857 = 0.416 BTC [+] {4} 538370;1393616652;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 538371;1393616653;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.11900092 = 0.595 BTC [-] {2} 538372;1393616712;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0835 = 0.835 BTC [+] {5} 538373;1393616894;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.08575 = 0.343 BTC [+] {2} 538374;1393616955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.08683332 = 0.521 BTC [+] {4} 538375;1393616957;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 538376;1393617017;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08733333 = 0.262 BTC [+] {2} 538377;1393617019;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 538378;1393617077;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.1 = 1.1 BTC [+] 538379;1393617078;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.088 = 0.176 BTC [+] 538380;1393617565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10637 @ 0.00087026 = 9.257 BTC [+] {3} 538381;1393617809;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 39 @ 0.1 = 3.9 BTC [+] 538382;1393617931;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.1 = 2.4 BTC [+] 538383;1393617992;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.0046416 = 0.362 BTC [-] {5} 538384;1393618055;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08999999 = 0.27 BTC [+] 538385;1393618116;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 66 @ 0.0055 = 0.363 BTC 538386;1393618297;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05025756 = 0.1508 BTC [-] {3} 538387;1393618358;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.00488993 = 0.1565 BTC [+] 538388;1393618419;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.13311598 = 0.3993 BTC [-] 538389;1393618907;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.13311598 = 3.9935 BTC [-] 538390;1393619029;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.082 = 0.41 BTC [+] 538391;1393619212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00086638 = 16.2013 BTC [-] {2} 538392;1393619273;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 538393;1393619578;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 2070 @ 0.000095 = 0.1967 BTC [-] {3} 538394;1393619761;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 810 @ 0.000191 = 0.1547 BTC [+] 538395;1393619945;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.08395 = 0.4198 BTC [+] 538396;1393620290;nubbins`;freenode still shitting? 538397;1393620301;nubbins`;couldn't connect via chat.freenode.net 538398;1393620428;ThickAsThieves;ya a little 538399;1393620445;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Pretty much Freenode seems constantly under some level of DDoS now 538400;1393620479;nubbins`;nod 538401;1393620494;nubbins`;poor admins must be sick of it by now 538402;1393620649;BingoBoingo;Probably 538403;1393620676;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02139899 = 0.1498 BTC [-] 538404;1393620859;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.0047101 = 0.212 BTC [-] {2} 538405;1393621042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00086506 = 31.2287 BTC [-] 538406;1393621286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0827 = 0.1654 BTC [-] 538407;1393621409;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00483971 = 0.121 BTC [+] 538408;1393621774;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.11585504 = 5.7928 BTC [+] {16} 538409;1393621835;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.1175 = 2.4675 BTC [+] 538410;1393622445;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0827 = 0.3308 BTC [-] 538411;1393622493;kakobrekla;at some point we will make #freenode on irc.bitcoin-assets.com 538412;1393622628;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0827 = 0.1654 BTC [-] 538413;1393622994;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 642 @ 0.00019618 = 0.1259 BTC [+] {5} 538414;1393623116;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0834 = 0.417 BTC [+] 538415;1393623421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00087019 = 20.754 BTC [+] {2} 538416;1393623425;Bugpowder;blast from the past! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50206.0 538417;1393624394;omen1855;nice read Bugpowder 538418;1393624394;omen1855;before my days, but history repeats itself very quickly 538419;1393624423;Bugpowder;probably been repeating itself for 2 years without people knowing about it. 538420;1393624425;Bugpowder;:-P 538421;1393624824;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.13311598 = 0.3993 BTC [-] 538422;1393625051;Guest4752;soo what's new 538423;1393625180;Duffer1;scammers scamming 538424;1393625194;Duffer1;air is still breathable 538425;1393625240;Bugpowder;Rain rain rain 538426;1393625290;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla you tihnking of making an irc network ? 538427;1393625394;kakobrekla;well, it was more of a joke and id rather not, but if it comes to it, i would. 538428;1393625411;kakobrekla;like the 15th standard you know. 538429;1393625419;mircea_popescu;it's a bitch to run them tho, because ddos. 538430;1393625424;asciilifeform;did anyone ever step up with decent hosting for whatever? 538431;1393625429;mircea_popescu;i'd much rather add servers to freenode's pool than split the effort. 538432;1393625445;mircea_popescu;then again, that'd require them extracting head from bunghole, which may prove more difficult. 538433;1393625445;asciilifeform;phuctor is still languishing on a godforsaken EC2 538434;1393625466;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not rly any serious btc hoster as of yet 538435;1393625473;asciilifeform;phuck. 538436;1393625473;mircea_popescu;it's only been 5 years of btc so... 538437;1393625474;kakobrekla;well it depends on the size i guess, we have a small alter irc network in slovenia with like 200 people and 3 or so servers, works just fine for years 538438;1393625501;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla and then agency X wants to send 100gbit floods because why not. 538439;1393625504;jurov;asciilifeform: what about SDF? 538440;1393625523;jurov;http://sdf.lonestar.org/ 538441;1393625523;ozbot;SDF Public Access UNIX System - Free Shell Account and Shell Access 538442;1393625565;asciilifeform;jurov: i thought that was a 'free shell for people learning unix' thing 538443;1393625582;jurov;no, iirc they offer full paid package 538444;1393625592;asciilifeform;jurov: for btc? 538445;1393625597;kakobrekla;im not saying it cant happen but small fishes dont stand out 538446;1393625622;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla yeah but once we move assets there it becomes huge fish 538447;1393625632;jurov;they don't even take linux seriously. don't ask them about btc 538448;1393625670;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: at least when irc.assets.whatever gets ddosed, we'll know that it's for us and not for some lamer on #l33td00dz or whatnot. 538449;1393625679;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00482998 = 2.415 BTC [-] {3} 538450;1393625683;kakobrekla;heh 538451;1393625727;mircea_popescu;this is true. 538452;1393625775;mircea_popescu;then again... 538453;1393625820;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla keeps being rude and arrogant to customer support ppls 538454;1393625834;kakobrekla;:( 538455;1393625843;kakobrekla;they are rude. 538456;1393625862;mircea_popescu;that guy was lulzy. 538457;1393625891;jurov;he's actually lucky kako did not start with slander 538458;1393625902;kakobrekla;lol 538459;1393625906;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1671539/plain/) 538460;1393625906;kakobrekla;!b 5 538461;1393625910;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla if you ever get a pet salamander 538462;1393625914;mircea_popescu;you gotta name it slander 538463;1393625915;kakobrekla;bah more 538464;1393625918;assbot;Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1671540/plain/) 538465;1393625918;kakobrekla;!b 10 538466;1393625918;mircea_popescu;slander the slender salamander 538467;1393625918;Diablo-D3;wtf happened now? 538468;1393625927;kakobrekla;lol 538469;1393625944;mircea_popescu;btw what does this do 538470;1393625945;Jere_Jones;I'd just like to reiterate that I appreciate the advice -assets gave me about trying to buy goxbtc. Thanks folks. 538471;1393625960;assbot;Last 65536 lines bashed and pending review. (error) 538472;1393625960;mircea_popescu;!b 65536 538473;1393625960;kakobrekla;endoftheworld.swf 538474;1393625963;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 538475;1393625966;asciilifeform;!b -1 538476;1393625971;mircea_popescu;!b $maxint 538477;1393625983;jurov;!b NaN 538478;1393625989;mircea_popescu;!b usagi 538479;1393626000;jurov;usagi is not positive nor integer 538480;1393626013;mircea_popescu;you dare slander usagi's integrity ? 538481;1393626017;asciilifeform;any of you folks own a USB fault injector? 538482;1393626020;mircea_popescu;what are you, like my sockpuppet ? 538483;1393626023;asciilifeform;or care to recommend one 538484;1393626037;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is this some new sexual slang ? 538485;1393626098;asciilifeform;i wanna see what cardano's usb controller does with malformed frames 538486;1393626122;asciilifeform;(to trip 'fail deadly' mechanism) 538487;1393626149;Bugpowder;mircea_popescu: deposit flush plz 538488;1393626170;jurov;mircea_popescu: it is already known what happens to mpoe in a hour and half? 538489;1393626176;jurov;is coinbr likely to survive it? :DDD 538490;1393626188;mircea_popescu;jurov i can't imagine why coinbr'd suffer. 538491;1393626193;asciilifeform;do we have some apocalypse scheduled? 538492;1393626194;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder aite. 538493;1393626199;Bugpowder;tx tx 538494;1393626199;asciilifeform;damn i should actually read the logs, shouldn't i 538495;1393626215;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just the regularly scheduled mpoe statement 538496;1393626219;asciilifeform;aha 538497;1393626227;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00482963 = 0.4443 BTC [-] {4} 538498;1393626233;jurov;asciilifeform mpoe bot has no info about market rates, so i'm curious how it will autoexercise 538499;1393626249;bones`;what would it take to be a serious BTC host? 538500;1393626257;jurov;or if mpoe strts spewing garbage instead 538501;1393626282;kakobrekla;i think most serial was cloudify or something like that 538502;1393626288;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00482985 = 0.4347 BTC [+] {2} 538503;1393626290;mircea_popescu;bones` like a decade of experience in the field, actual connections, actual rented floor in multiple dcs, working relationships with the dc management, the tier 1 bw providers and parts suppliers. 538504;1393626323;mircea_popescu;also puppet. 538505;1393626349;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00482999 = 0.3864 BTC [+] {2} 538506;1393626369;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sounds costly. 538507;1393626373;bones`;It is 538508;1393626381;kakobrekla;incloudibly is what i ment 538509;1393626389;diametric;man I wish I had a laser cutter with a powered Z axis 538510;1393626396;kakobrekla;http://incloudibly.com/en/cloud 538511;1393626398;ozbot;DDoS Protected Cloud Hosting, Cloud VPS - Free DDos Protection - Free 7-day Trial :: Incloudibly 538512;1393626404;bones`;That's what I do by trade, and obviously I'm new here trying to expand my mind a bit 538513;1393626405;kakobrekla;i think that best you can get now :\ 538514;1393626422;asciilifeform;diametric: wonder if something like a powered 'whoopie cushion' would work 538515;1393626425;bones`;A few others and I have a hosting company but we're only in Philly right now 538516;1393626432;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah well, it's not as costly as diametric's 3d printer farm 538517;1393626437;diametric;asciilifeform: that doesn't speak precision to me 538518;1393626451;mircea_popescu;Bones_ so how many cages you run ? 538519;1393626472;bones`;Two, we're still small and boostrapped 538520;1393626473;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhltqAaIUAAYOA_.png:large << check out this thing. 538521;1393626484;mircea_popescu;all the cultures the us "invaded" have actually successfuly invaded the us. 538522;1393626487;bones`;Also bootstrapped 538523;1393626534;asciilifeform;diametric: hydraulic piston? 538524;1393626559;diametric;asciilifeform: well my Z is just leadscrews right now manually driven.. really crappy quality at that. I'd be better off just buying a new better laser 538525;1393626564;mircea_popescu;bones` aha. 538526;1393626593;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00483 = 0.1739 BTC [+] 538527;1393626603;asciilifeform;diametric: my unit has z-axis with screws and belt. all one would have to do there is add a stepper with roller to turn the belt. 538528;1393626622;diametric;asciilifeform: i'd be skeptical those screws are very accurate 538529;1393626649;diametric;err accurate is not the word I meant 538530;1393626650;diametric;I mean, smooth 538531;1393626651;mircea_popescu;what are they made of ? 538532;1393626679;asciilifeform;diametric: you don't need much accuracy if you fix a photocell to the platform, to measure power (since whole point of z-axis is to focus the beam ideally) 538533;1393626679;diametric;something cheap I'm sure, the leadscrews in mine are really, really crappy. 538534;1393626692;diametric;asciilifeform: yeah 538535;1393626694;asciilifeform;so have the beam return to the measuring cell periodically 538536;1393626703;asciilifeform;(whenever z is to move) 538537;1393626807;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is such a soviet. 538538;1393626814;asciilifeform;eh why 538539;1393626826;mircea_popescu;"eh, you don't need working parts, just add feedback" 538540;1393626831;diametric;haha 538541;1393626840;mircea_popescu;"it'll sort itself out" 538542;1393626848;asciilifeform;so long as it converges, why the hell not. 538543;1393626867;mircea_popescu;i didn;t say "asciilifeform should be less of a soviet" now did i. 538544;1393626879;Diablo-D3;holy fucking fuck people 538545;1393626882;Diablo-D3;everyone shut the fuck up 538546;1393626884;asciilifeform;(helps if you remember some from differential equations) 538547;1393626885;Diablo-D3;you all have work to do 538548;1393626886;Diablo-D3;go do it 538549;1393626898;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.0048378 = 0.1403 BTC [+] 538550;1393626971;kakobrekla;did you relaunch DMC 5 yet? 538551;1393627047;mircea_popescu;i don't have work to do. 538552;1393627058;asciilifeform;diametric: incidentally, you can get a real-time picture of the beam focus using an ordinary usb camera - taking care that it never sits in the sweet spot (smoked ccd) 538553;1393627093;mircea_popescu;here, productivity aide : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bhl-Y9UCYAAht1A.png:large 538554;1393627264;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00086619 = 11.3904 BTC [-] {3} 538555;1393627264;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.08025255 = 0.321 BTC [-] {3} 538556;1393627331;Bugpowder;mircea_popescu: flushed yet? Gotta run shortly. 538557;1393627342;mircea_popescu;prolly be a little. 538558;1393627374;Bugpowder;ok 538559;1393627386;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.09028588 = 0.632 BTC [-] {3} 538560;1393627393;Bugpowder;Will check back in an hour 538561;1393627401;Bugpowder;l8r 538562;1393627448;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.079 = 0.237 BTC [-] {2} 538563;1393627449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10107 @ 0.00086422 = 8.7347 BTC [-] {2} 538564;1393627508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10293 @ 0.00086174 = 8.8699 BTC [-] {2} 538565;1393627582;mircea_popescu;the whole of twitter is made up of experts on the ukraine now. 538566;1393627588;mircea_popescu;it's a sickening display. 538567;1393627615;Diablo-D3;can we ban people talking about the ukraine? 538568;1393627627;Diablo-D3;[05:36:38] <kakobrekla> did you relaunch DMC 5 yet? 538569;1393627648;Diablo-D3;a) 5? what happened to the other 3? b) Im no longer interested in DMC. 538570;1393627669;mircea_popescu;meanwhile rbs just announced it kinda... misplaced the 100bn the taxpayer provided 538571;1393627678;mircea_popescu;so i guess another 2-3-500bn is in order. 538572;1393627681;asciilifeform;usg ought to send me a new passport if the damn thing splits 538573;1393627719;asciilifeform;(u.s. passports have 'birthplace' field) 538574;1393627751;mircea_popescu;i'd say it's about 70% settled the crimeea splits off. 538575;1393627799;kakobrekla;well,... he did mention ukraine. 538576;1393627813;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00550025 = 0.198 BTC [+] {2} 538577;1393627820;mircea_popescu;lol a little much 538578;1393627850;mircea_popescu;http://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/when-private-patrols-pull-the-trigger/Content?oid=3848954 538579;1393627854;ozbot;When Private Patrols Pull The Trigger | 538580;1393627857;mircea_popescu;brandished a lethal prybar and advanced toward the security guard in a threatening manner 538581;1393627894;mircea_popescu;"Much of the debate has focused on the ethics and effectiveness of bringing more guns and officers to wealthier parts of Oakland." 538582;1393627905;mircea_popescu;yeah dude, it's totally unethical for rich people to have better shit than poor people. 538583;1393627931;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: phun phact. security detail at the us army lab where i used to work was 100% rentacop 538584;1393627953;asciilifeform;just like the ones at shopping malls 538585;1393627959;mircea_popescu;afaik it's pretty much rent a cop everywhere. 538586;1393627966;mircea_popescu;right, banks, upscale retailers, the works. 538587;1393627979;asciilifeform;one would imagine that an army base would be guarded by grunts 538588;1393627980;mircea_popescu;i don't think i know a manhattan hotel that doesn't 538589;1393627981;asciilifeform;but no. 538590;1393627991;mircea_popescu;grunts are about as fucking useless as you'd imagine. 538591;1393627996;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11729364 = 0.3519 BTC [+] {3} 538592;1393627997;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59 = 1.18 BTC [+] 538593;1393628011;asciilifeform;blue rentacops, with very 'western' chromed six-shooters. 538594;1393628020;mircea_popescu;fucking idiots too. 538595;1393628060;mircea_popescu;cluj airport, about 15 years ago. previously unsecured at all, because well... originally was secured by army, then those went out, a whole story. 538596;1393628065;mircea_popescu;airport had no security for like a year 538597;1393628075;mircea_popescu;eventually the head decided they must hire somebody 538598;1393628077;asciilifeform;haha - and no one stole it. 538599;1393628084;mircea_popescu;so they hired this ridiculous company, full of basically idiots 538600;1393628101;mircea_popescu;they lined up about 40% chicks, and it really looked like phi kappa gamma or some shit 538601;1393628118;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00471514 = 0.7073 BTC [-] {6} 538602;1393628119;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.079 = 0.474 BTC [-] 538603;1393628120;mircea_popescu;one day i went behind one of these "security agents" and took her gun right out of her holster. 538604;1393628121;mircea_popescu;just like that. 538605;1393628129;mircea_popescu;gave it to the boss next we met. 538606;1393628154;mircea_popescu;not like she could have fired it anyway, the gun was a .45 and the chick was like 90 lbs 538607;1393628179;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59999997 = 1.8 BTC [+] {2} 538608;1393628182;asciilifeform;as i understand, this is routinely done to u.s. cops 538609;1393628183;asciilifeform;in soviet army, losing your weapon was (theoretically) a capital offense. 538610;1393628206;mircea_popescu;well romanian army was heavily influenced, so same. 538611;1393628260;asciilifeform;.45 ACP? 538612;1393628272;asciilifeform;i thought it only existed on this side of the atlantic 538613;1393628303;mircea_popescu;iirc it was a ruger 538614;1393628324;mircea_popescu;very respectable gun, definitely would have sold for more than its "owner", on the open market. 538615;1393628363;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11739982 = 0.2348 BTC [+] {2} 538616;1393628416;asciilifeform;phun phact: it is said that modern russia still has a huge stockpile of unused 45acp, shipped during 'lend-lease', along with a multitude of 'tommy gun', never used 538617;1393628420;asciilifeform;(from same) 538618;1393628441;mircea_popescu;wouldn't you think they'd have been reclaimed during the 90s ? 538619;1393628449;asciilifeform;sitting in some 'indiana jones' style warehouse 538620;1393628482;asciilifeform;in the '90s, russian market was full of 'reclaimed' military/police hardware of that period, so not much use for 45 538621;1393628484;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 32.43982214 BTC to 80`674 shares, 40211 satoshi per share 538622;1393628497;asciilifeform;(reclaimed in the sense of that guard) 538623;1393628511;mircea_popescu;lemme see if i can find this footage again 538624;1393628724;mircea_popescu;seems to have disappeared. anyway. 538625;1393628729;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08133333 = 0.244 BTC [+] {2} 538626;1393628789;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11739999 BTC [+] 538627;1393628790;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6477 @ 0.00086689 = 5.6148 BTC [+] 538628;1393628791;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what was it ? 538629;1393628861;mircea_popescu;troop of gendarmes, losing weapons on march 538630;1393628866;mircea_popescu;it was a rare sight 538631;1393628942;mircea_popescu;passerbys were like... hey dude... don't you like... need that ? 538632;1393629002;asciilifeform;1) arrange to 'lose' hardware 2) finder 'finds' 3) profit!1! 538633;1393629007;asciilifeform;is the traditional formula. 538634;1393629015;mircea_popescu;nah, these were just dazed kids. 538635;1393629030;mircea_popescu;was in the fucking central square, broad daylight, 1k people around 538636;1393629049;asciilifeform;anybody picked it up? 538637;1393629065;mircea_popescu;well nobody wanted it apparently. 538638;1393629093;asciilifeform;well, no one is likely to 'want' it before sun down. 538639;1393629094;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.116 BTC [-] 538640;1393629217;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11599999 = 0.232 BTC [-] 538641;1393629218;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] 538642;1393629277;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 538643;1393629278;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11599999 BTC [-] 538644;1393629439;mircea_popescu;http://news.yahoo.com/russia-sent-several-hundred-troops-ukraine-us-official-225850494.html 538645;1393629440;ozbot;Russia sent 'several hundred' troops into Ukraine: US official - Yahoo News 538646;1393629476;nubbins`;nod 538647;1393629479;nubbins`;go-time 538648;1393629502;asciilifeform;from 'recommended' tab in that piece: 'Substitute teacher, 72, arrested for furiously masturbating in high school hallway.' 538649;1393629505;nubbins`;reports of armed soldiers @ the airports 538650;1393629516;nubbins`;asciilifeform: is there any other way?! 538651;1393630266;mircea_popescu;from the oldies but goldies dept : http://trilema.com/2013/the-state-banking-and-bitcoin/ 538652;1393630852;mircea_popescu;"Rome days away from bankruptcy. Eternal city warns it will go bust for the first time since it was destroyed by Nero." 538653;1393630883;mircea_popescu;let that be a warning to anyone thinking about passing legislation disrespectful of bitcoin : 538654;1393630893;mircea_popescu;bankruptcy is not only a possibility, but quite a reality. 538655;1393630985;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0525 = 0.2625 BTC [-] 538656;1393631111;BingoBoingo;Rome ==== the Detroit of Europe 538657;1393631144;nubbins`;i've always kind of felt that organized groups of humans are inherently unstable after you surpass a certain size 538658;1393631207;mircea_popescu;pretty much. gypstaly and all that. 538659;1393631218;mircea_popescu;nubbins` rome worked ok for along time. 538660;1393631318;mircea_popescu;"Rome won't even have money to canonize two Popes, John-Paul II and John XXIII" 538661;1393631346;mircea_popescu;imagine poor wojtyla sitting in heaven, 538662;1393631351;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59999997 = 1.2 BTC [+] {2} 538663;1393631360;mircea_popescu;"hey, you a saint yet ?" "naw, they can't fucking afford the fumigation bill" 538664;1393631656;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.081 = 1.215 BTC [-] 538665;1393631793;moiety;mew :) 538666;1393631924;mircea_popescu;moiety http://i.imgur.com/DWGvT.gif 538667;1393631961;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00483897 = 0.15 BTC [+] {2} 538668;1393631971;*;moiety would reply to mircea but is too busy searching the house for bulldog clips 538669;1393631994;moiety;thats crazy!